Obama on Independence: No Biggie
By PaganPower on July 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM in Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers
I wonder if Barack Obama had a good Independence Day. I’m thinking not really. What is so special about independence to him after all? He is independent every day of the week. Independent of any real experience. Independent of conviction. Independent of class. And independent of good sense. Apparently. So it is largely just another day in the Obama household.
Rather than spend time together with family celebrating the sense of what it means to be an American like the majority of us do, Obama chose to go out on the campaign trail. Demonstrating what he calls patriotism by campaigning for president. Some more of that new politics of hope in action.
I wonder if he had a flag pin on? It would be so like him. Telling us that the flag pin is a substitute for real patriotism while sporting one proudly on his lapel. That’s patriotism one can believe in. Obama style.
Do you think he gave Bill Ayers a call? Maybe they compared notes. Bill would recount all the American flags he and his spouse terrorist pal Bernadine stomped on. And Obama could enthusiastically counter with all the Constitutional freedoms he had stomped on just this past week. Oh these progressive patriot types. The fun they must have trying to outdo each other dismantling the foundations of our democracy. I betcha that was a fun conversation. Oh to have been a fly on that wall.
So just exactly what did Obama do on Independence Day? He spent the day giving a speech. One he hoped would make up for his total screw up the day before when he needed two news conferences to state clearly without any fear of confusion just exactly what his real position on Iraq is. And since the day before didn’t work out very well, what better way to prove his patriotism than refine his message once more so that we all know where he stands on Iraq. As of yesterday.
We are all fondly recounting what our country and our freedom mean to us. And Obama is out there trying to get us to think about him. How utterly frickin patriotic of the dude.
So there he was in Montana bitching about George Bush which always fires up the crowd. Then he lets loose with his standard applause getter:
In Montana, Obama Tries to Rally Support on Iraq
“It’s a war we need to bring to an end,” he added, speaking over applause from a crowd of about 1,000 at a picnic outside the World Museum of Mining.
But the funny thing was that all the people didn’t believe what he had to say. Of course it might have had something to do with that pesky little fact that he changed his position on Iraq twice just the day before. And wouldn’t you know it, the people finally payed attention to his shifts. Saw them in action. And some weren’t very pleased.
“I think he should be careful about what he says,” said Bob Evans, 67, a Butte native who now lives in Wisconsin. “I hope he doesn’t change his mind on the war. I think he’s a man of principle.”
I’m trying. I swear I am. Really doing my best to stop laughing over that man of principle line. You can bamboozle some of the people all of the time and all that.
And then I read something that almost did me in. The Governor of Montana is under the impression that Obama’s flips and flops, his Independence you might say, doesn’t really matter to the voters of Montana. Because they are just so totally fed up with the war that Pinocchio himself would be an acceptable Commander in Chief.
If they only knew.
“Most people in Montana have figured out it was the wrong war for the wrong reasons,” Mr. Schweitzer said in an interview at the Freedom Fest Independence Day celebration. “I think Americans have very little stomach for a permanent engagement in the Middle East.”
So according to Montanans, it doesn’t matter what Obama says. As long as he keeps replaying that speech he gave against the war so many years ago and then tells folks how much he is still against it all will be cool. In Montana.
For myself, I am not impressed with Obama. His continued history making, chameleon, quick change artist act makes him seem more like a snake than a reptile to me. Or maybe a worm.
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Of course, any self serving politician will use Independance Day to stump for himself, and use the anti-war rallying cry to muster support for his ever changing stance.
What would be more believeable would be honesty, consistency, and decent principles and scruples. Yet to see that in Barack Hussein Obama.
Ahmad Batebi can teach us all something that we may take for granted with our independence:
In case you do not know who Ahmad Batebi is, he is an Iranian student who gained international fame for his appearance on the cover of The Economist magazine holding up a bloodied shirt claiming to belong to a fellow student beaten by the Basij paramilitaries. The photo, which has been called “an icon for Iran’s student reform movement,”[1] was taken during the Iranian Student Protests in July 1999 in Tehran. Following its publishing, Batebi was arrested, tried in closed-door proceedings, found guilty of “creating unrest,” and sentenced to death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Batebi
He has recently escaped prison in Iran, fled into Iraq, transported to Austria, and is now in Washington, DC.
http://www.voanews.com/english/About/2008-06-30-voa83.cfm
He gave up being with his family as an act of sacrifice. America has never experienced leaders like Barack and Michel Obama ever before.
Stumping on the political trail is an “act of sacrifice”?? What planet are you living on?
McCain’s not out there. He’s in one of his ten homes.
And?
Disbelief would prefer that out candidates were more like Mao or Castro. Eliminate the middle class and the rich and give everything to the takers.
Maybe after a few years of Obama we can all look forward to living on collective farms wearing government issued communist clothing.
McCain…You earned your 10 houses!!
Don’t bother with USSR–he is so far gone on Kool Aid it’s quite sad. He talks about Obama like he is the Second Coming of Christ. Really pathetic.
USSR: Get some therapy. Seriously dude, you need a sense of self.
America has never experienced parasites like Barack and Michel Obama ever before.
While everyone was fainting around the country, waiting to sniff his perfect ass. These A Holes were shopping for their new digs in DC. PUMA’s take actions, HRC announce a fund raisers next week with Bambi to retire what is now her $10 million dollar debt. We have to retire the debt so that small merchants don’t suffer (they used that against her in Iowa and NH) and that she is free from the BS/BO. She does not need him if we act. The things would should be talking about is retireing the debt. We all know that he is a double talking punk ass bitch (project talk) sorry Larry if you have to delete. But, I am so tired of us whinning about this A hole. That’s why we came to this place months ago because we knew what him and the DNC were all about.
RETIRE THE DEBT!!!
MO;”B.Owwww!!!” !?..
BO: Yes Micherrrlle? (grrr)
MO;Some whitey moved the goal posts!!
BO; Yea those bitter bible gun toting people do that!
They were there dipshit. I saw them.
What the are you talking about? Where? Are you a troll?
yep. backtrack, MEchelle, and the two girls photographed in a parade together in Butte MT.
BTW, governors of MT, WY, seeking postions inside Obama administration–Interior dept…
What have they sacrificed? They live in a mansion for goodness sake. They’re hardly homeless or poor.
You might want to look up some real people that made sacrifices.
Some made the ultimate sacrifice. They came from all walks of life. All colors, creeds, and religions. But you wouldn’t know that. Because you never bothered to learn pesky things like facts.
You might want to look up some real people that made sacrifices.
Like John McCain perhaps, who gave up 5 years of his life in prison even after he was offered early release. Rather than leave his fellow soldiers, he stayed. Can you imagine Obama getting dirty in prison? He’d whine like a baby: “Don’t you know who I am?? You’re a bunch of racists!”
A house the Tony R bought!
hey ussr….go back where you came from. this site is for people that have figured out who that phony obama is. who are you trying to impress ?
Hell–he jettisoned his whole damn church. Now that’s sacrifice…
You have got to be a parady troll. Guys, this one is just yanking your chains.
Thank GOD, because we prefer experienced leaders.
BREAKING….
Secret film of Obots rehearsing in Denver.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYqKaMCJviU&feature=related
That was too damn funny Harp!
I was expecting to see something totally different but it was spot on!
Gotta love it!
Here is what he thinks of patriotism
http://savagepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/kencatalino228qn3.jpg
and he is really proud of his country.
http://savagepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/michelleandobamaproudofcountryimage2.jpg
Does anyone have video from Obama’s patriotism speech?…when he spoke about public service in the military or peace corp being a center piece of his admin.
He is leaving the window open for the DRAFT
If you can stomach it, here ya go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMbBuEoEYnk
I didn’t know Muslims observed independence day.
Comment by one eyed jack | 2008-07-05 17:39:26
I didn’t know Muslims observed independence day.
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If they’re American citizens…why wouldn’t they? That’s like asking whether Catholics observed Independence Day, and Catholicism isn’t the indigenous religion here either.
Hopefully your comment was feigning ignorance.
By my count, there are some 21 majority-Muslim nations which all celebrate an “Independence Day” (of course, in none of them does Independence Day fall on July 4th).
Naturally, one needn’t be an American citizen to celebrate Independence Day. The ONLY thing that is required is that the country in which you live has issued a formal declaration of independence from another nation.
Just putting it out there for the record.
Throughout the primary I participated in discussions on this and other websites; if you remember me, you will remember some of those hated debates. It was obvious to me that, although not absolute and total, most Obama supporters were new to politics. They took Obama’s every word as gospel; any hint of criticism was attacked in a hilarious panic. Obama was the second coming…if you weren’t 250% on board, according to those with this cultish mentality, well then, f*ck you! Hillary Clinton was absolutely trashed for taking such “centrist” positions and “shape-shifting”. “She’ll do anything to get elected,” so many argued. They were indignant to her “triangulating” and her “narcissistic” drive for the presidency
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/3/224439/9467
some of the comments—they r against kos–now
Re: so much for a new kind of politics (2.00 / 6)
Last I heard, he was ‘holding’ his $2,300 check and waiting for the opportunity to ‘reward’ him for a move he is sure will come. For such a smart guy, Kos is certainly full of it.
by MKyleM on Thu Jul 03, 2008 at 10:56:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: so much for a new kind of politics (2.00 / 1)
KOS is so self absorbed.
by William Cooper on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 02:24:19 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: so much for a new kind of politics (1.66 / 3)
I agree and that’s being nice about it.
by MKyleM on Fri Jul 04, 2008 at 02:28:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: so much for a new kind of politics (2.00 / 2)
Markos is what we call, in scientific terms, a prick.
Muslims don’t observe independence day. And oddly enough they seem to rcognize only 57 states.
Obama was spending time in Montana because that’s where the Rolex Commies live.
I’m sure he was having fun sipping lattes with utopian thinkers such as Fonda and Turner.
And ordering arugula!
seattle — if Obama went to see Turner and Fonda he would be disappointed as they are no longer married.
I wasn’t aware…Thanks
I actually like Ted.. He cares about lots of things and gave a billion to the UN
I was inspired by the Denver Group’s interview yesterday posted on No Quarter that I created this new video:
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/5/17487/45559
Good job.
Although as someone with Cherokee ancestors — I’m not a fan of Andrew Jackson.
sonia — thanks for that video–it made me sad to think that we had so many president who helped make this a better country — and now we have a presumptive nominee who wants to weaken our nation from within. Hillary deserves to have her name placed in nomination at the Democratic Convention — those 18 Million people who voted for her deserve nothing less.
Can the adm remove the comments of this vile sick individual posting here under caffnequeen…she is dong this just to impregnate this site with her antihuman hatred
Thank you
Yeah too much caffine can make some folks act sort of wierd
When Barack is in power, you people will not dare trashing him the way you do now. I hope you come to your senses and join him.
I guess you Ruskies don’t understand Americans — it is our sport to let politicians know that that are mere humans — just like everyone else in this world.
Now go back to your hole — your diapers STINK.
Do you get off by implying that an adult is wearing diapers? Does that add to the persuasiveness of your message?
And will your next post be a complaint that Obama is mean in some unexplained way?
I am totally pursuaded that barack obama is a pile of shit. so stinky diapers fits with me. And changing those diapers, and that man, is change I do believe in.
As long as we are still a nation that upholds the Constitutional right to free speech, oh yes we will. We will trash him because he is trash. Of course if Obama safeguards the right to free speech the way he has safeguarded the right to bear arms, and Roe v Wade, we may not have that right if he is elected. Then again, I really don’t think there is anything Obama can do that will keep us from calling him for the no good, low down, back stabbing, racist, sexist, Chicago thug that he is. Anyone else?
He will be for America what Gandhi was for India.
in your dreams. do you realize you’re projecting your own ideas onto obama? how old are you? you don’t seem to have your critical thinking faculties fully engaged. read about ghandi and see if you see anything that resembles Obama. you won’t. ergo–you are projecting, the sign of an immature mind and no critical thought.
Obama will be for America what Hitler was for Germany, or Stalin for Russia, or Mousolini for Italy.
Wake up. drink coffee, not koolaid.
YOu better watch yourself, dude.
If you mean that Baracky will be for the US like Mohandas “Mahatma” Gandhi was for India, don’t forget that Mohandas was assassinated.
If you mean that Baracky will be for the US like Indira Gandhi was for India, don’t forget that Indira was also assassinated.
World take notice: We have an Obama supporter advocating for HIS CANDIDATE to be assassinated. (Does this mean we’ll witness the collapse of the USSR AGAIN?)
You seem to be confused about Obama’s stance on gun rights. He supports the Supreme Court decision that holds that it is an individual right.
and he also supported the very same law that the S.Ct. held unconstitutional
BOBO has positions for the moment.
So according to you , it’s fine if one packs heat at a level one securty event?
Why? Will it be a police state where we cannot criticize the Holy Leader? Are we moving toward North Korean standards now?
I think you’re right, USSR has to be a joker. Not even a Kool Aid drunk Obot can be that brain dead.
A major chunk of Obama’s patriotism speech was about how dissent is patriotic. And he has lived his life that way — criticizing the government when he thought this was deserved and working to make things better.
Here’s a selection:
hey jerk. these are just words, probably plagerized from somewhere.
at the same time he supposedly encourages dissent, he calls you a racist if you question him.
you are drunk and high on koolaid, your screen name proves it.
obama is a fake, the worst kind. you bought the bullshit hook, line and sinker.
Someone at NQ astutely pointed out the fact that “watching the astronauts come to shore in Hawaii” was a lie due to the fact the year was wrong.
we know fascism is on the way, which you should be so familiar with. we know he will use every facist tool to squash dissent and questioning. he will do this under the guise of a new politics, and pacify the masses with hopium…
I am going to change my bumper sticker to say
“Some where in the 313 a village is missing an idiot”.
Or “Will Larry Sincliar please give this guy a BJ so we can impeach him too?”
USSR — is that a threat? As long as I have the right to vote I will vote for the candidate of my choice.
USSR, BO”plenty will never be in “Power”. Get over it, twit!!!! PUMA
Barack Obama birth certificate Now petition
We the undersigned ask you to join us in demanding that Barack Obama show an official copy of his birth certificate to a reputable news outlet. It is a small request that should be welcomed by a politician looking to bring change to Washington.
http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/
No reputable news operation is asking for one - because they know this is a BS issue.
For it to be an issue, you’d have to believe that Obama got a passport as a child without a birth certificate and that he’s had a fake story about his birth his entire life — something that has ZERO credibility as far as rational people are concerned.
this is about where he was actually born. the fake birth certificate is part of the rouse. McCain has sent people to Kenya, Hawaii, and Canada. Barack was not born in Hawaii…too young to shwo up in Washington state (days old infant) to have been born in hawaii and flying to kenya.
go ahead, ignore this at your own peril. you guy is a foreign national trying to become POTUS.
As if you’re rational. Being here proves you have issues.
You mean as far as you are concerned.
Rational people know that children traveling abroad could very well have been included on their mother’s passport back then.
believe — No its the constitution which states that only natural born citizens of the United States can be President of the United States. He must produce his birth certificate.
I love the Obama visuals with that crazy “CHANGE” sign. You know, the one we “can believe in”? Better believe fast: we’re talkin’ quick change here - it’s hard to keep up with all his changes. Isn’t he just so predictable? It’s hard to remember whether he’s white or black this week.
I’m hoping the McCain camp will come up with a suitable Rovian agent to go after Obama, so we don’t have to do all the work.
No Obama. Not Now. Not Ever.
Sounds like Hillary and Obama will have three fund raising events next week in New York.Two for Obama,and one for Hillary for her Debt.
CNN had those headlines, ony they added, to pay off Hillary Clinton’s Campaign Loss.
I hope Obama doesn’t make any money for his campaign,people need to boycott these events.
When will someone post some information re: how much was raised this weekend for Hillary? It had to be a chunk.
Anyone know if Puma is on Facebook,Fox had a special on Young voters, this year, and Facebook, was mentioned along with another site,I forgot to right down. Seems the younger crowd reads facebook.I;m not a member over there, so just wondered how far Puma is reaching> ?
thanks
PUMA is on Facebook.
Hey now! I am in Butte Montana where BO visited yesterday. I can tell you for a fact that the crowd was not overjoyed to see him. They did not even cheer as his supporters went by. As I reported in my earlier post today BO watched the parade but did not participate in it. He also shut out hundreds of people for the picnic that was to take place after the parade. We had tickets and could not get in. It is my belief that he did this on purpose to close out the majority of the locals and use his own people who he bussed in.
It was also his daughters Birthday. I feel sorry for her for the fact that he could not take a day off and spend it with family and friends in his own home town. As a parent this disturbed me that he was on the campaign trail on his daugters 10th B-day. She should have been celebrating with her friends and family back in Chicago. He even made a joke that he told her not to let it go to her head , the celebration here was not just for her! What a jerk!!
Butte is for HIllary and BO did not win over the majority of our voters here. Do not believe everything you see or hear. The media really played it up for him since the crowd was really not that excited to even have him partaking in our celebration. He caused everthing to be delayed, major traffic conjestion, closed the picnic off from the locals and made us all alter our holiday plans just for him. The only thing good about his visit is that it rained, hailed and blew 40 mp winds during the picnic! HAHAHHAHAAH.
Mother nature posted her own comment then!
YUP!! Ya gotta love Mother Nature!!
Thanks, people of Butte! It warms my heart! Thanks for the post.
No Obama. Not now. Not ever.
Just one ugly ad hominem attack after another. Is that really the best you can do?
believe - thanks for posting that portion of obama’s speech. In the Parade magazine for Sunday, he specifically says it was the Apollo astronauts who came ashore in Hawaii. Obama never mentions spending the summer months with his grandparents in Hawaii. In fact, it is only recently that he has suddenly determined that his “white” relatives serve any function whatsoever in his life.
There is something about his claim to sitting on his grandfather’s shoulders watching the Apollo astronauts coming ashore that just doesn’t mesh. The Apollo program: http://www.nasm.si.edu/collections/imagery/Apollo/landsites.htm
Not only should you demand to see his birth certificate, but a huge demand should be made to see his Illinois State Senate records. There is a reason he is hiding them. Judicial watch and reporters have asked for them repeatedly, only to have Obama come up with some lame excuse as to why they aren’t public. One reason he would want to hide his State Senate calendar is because of the people he was meeting with during that time. How many times can you say Rezko, Khalidi, Auchi, Ayers, Wright?
This site is just so full of bigoted rubbish that it is just funny now.
This is no different to saying I demand to see the marriage certificate of Hillary Clinton as Bill once said, “I have not had sex with that woman” and who is to know which woman he was on about. After all Chelsea Clinton according to John McCain is the daughter of Hillary and Janet Reno.