PUMA CALL TO DNC DELEGATES
By Will Bower on July 6, 2008 at 4:29 PM in Barack Obama, Bush Faith-Based Programs, Bush/Cheney, Campaigns & Campaign Financing, Civil Liberties, Civil Rights, DNC, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Democratic Party, Disenfranchisement, FISA, Foreign Policy, Gun Control, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, Iraq, Social Security, U.S. Constitution
SELLOUTS ON FISA, NAFTA, AND
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM
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WANTED:
175 HONEST DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES
TO LEAVE FRAUDULENT OBAMA IN DENVER!
On July 3, Barack Obama revealed once and for all that he has run a fraudulent campaign in his attempt to secure the Democratic nomination for President. The foundation of Obama’s campaign had been his claim that he was the anti-war alternative in his opposition to Bush’s war in Iraq.
Now, in a North Dakota campaign event, Obama has declared that he will consult with the generals and “refine his position” on the Iraq war. The Washington Post headlined: “Obama May Consider Slowing Iraq Withdrawal.” But the real message is clear: Obama is moving rapidly away from his earlier 11-month or 16-month timetables for withdrawal and towards full support for endless war, conflict, violence, and bankruptcy in Iraq.
Samantha Power had confessed Obama’s doubletalk on Iraq months ago. The handwriting is now on the wall: Obama will soon go to Iraq, meet with General Petraeus, and then announce his Baghdad road conversion to a policy of open-ended military occupation, oblivious to the immense human costs.
Soon there will be no difference at all between Obama and McCain on the Iraq war, and the Democratic Party will have missed yet another historic opportunity to help the American people end Bush’s and Cheney’s failed Neo-Conservative policies. McCain is exploiting Obama’s radical shifts in position as examples that Obama has no principles, but only opportunism and expediency, and that his much-touted soaring words mean absolutely nothing.
We Democrats now have our last chance to reflect: do we really want to give our nomination to this little-known newcomer who solicited support as a peace advocate, but has now unmasked himself as being a candidate with positions closer to McCain on Iraq?
OBAMA BETRAYS DEMOCRATS ON FISA, NAFTA, CAMPAIGN FINANCE, THE DEATH PENALTY, AND MUCH MORE
From the instant that he felt that the Democratic nomination was in his hands, Obama has moved relentlessly to the right in a breathtaking, stunning exhibition of cynicism, duplicity, and fraudulent campaigning. Everything he stood for has been thrown overboard, and Obama has broken his verbal contract with his own core voters and donors.
Obama promised to stop Bush’s assault on the Constitution and civil liberties, and end illegal wiretapping. Now, Obama will vote for the Republican leaning compromise on the FISA bill, including immunity for the telecoms – something only yesterday he promised the Democrats who supported him he would filibuster.
Obama raised money from grassroots Democrats on the premise that their small donations would allow him to be free of the corrupting influence of big money, big business, and special interests, but he has now broken his promise by opting out of public financing for his fall campaign, junking the cause of political reform he claimed to champion.
In Ohio and Pennsylvania, Obama posed as a critic of free trade sellouts like NAFTA, CAFTA, and WTO, specifically telling voters that voting for Hillary Clinton would be voting to support NAFTA. Now Obama has told Fortune magazine that he is a great friend of free trade and the “market.”
Obama now openly supports the death penalty, more of Bush’s faith-based theocratic subsidies, and the “merit pay” assault on teachers. He wants to cut the corporate income tax, and he now opposes attempts to curb hand gun violence.
In a most glaring betrayal to his contract with the Democratic base, Obama’s current team of economic advisers suggests that he will soon come out for the partial privatization of Social Security, camouflaged as “entitlement reform.”
In short, Obama intends to betray not just his own basic commitments, but the historical foundations of the Democratic Party going back to Franklin D. Roosevelt. The modern Democratic Party was built on the New Deal Democrats, a party of shared responsibility, and a contract to be the voice and champion of working class Americans.
Obama’s “new coalition” dismantles the REAL Democratic Party and replaces it with an elite party of Neo-Liberals, stealing the mantle of FDR.
SENATOR CLINTON MUST BE OUR NOMINEE
DEMOCRATS DID NOT VOTE FOR THE OBAMA WHO HAS BEEN
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AFTER JUNE 3RD
If Obama imitates McCain on so many issues, the November election will come down to a choice between two individuals, and a fraudulent Obama will not fare well against war hero McCain, who is seen by voters as a straight shooter.
McCain will point out that voters cannot trust the disingenuous Obama, and on that, McCain will be correct. Fortunately, Obama has tipped his hand by dropping his mask too soon: there is no Democratic nominee until the Roll Call of the States on August 27, 2008 in Denver.
We are not calling for some futile and self-defeating gesture – we are pointing to the path that leads to victory.
With Senator Clinton, we have a superior, battle-tested, and winning candidate who is waiting in the wings, ready, and willing to take over. Clinton would be a reliable leader on the issues that have built the Democratic Party. She has stood firm on her positions — past and present — even when it is not politically expedient.
The lesson is clear: the Democratic Party cannot win back the White House without the support of the New Deal Democratic base and their ideals.
The Democratic Convention in Denver must put forth a candidate that represents the values of the Party of FDR and that will win the hearts, minds, and votes of Democrats in November.
The Barack Obama running after June 3rd is not that candidate.
We must have an open convention in Denver — not a thoughtless coronation — so that we can seriously deliberate the far-reaching choices the party must make in this time of war and economic depression.
175 PATRIOTS CAN SAVE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
BY NOMINATING THE TRUER DEMOCRAT
The fate of the United States — and the future of the Democratic Party – now rests with a minimum of 175 Democratic delegates who must now exercise their mature political judgment in the service of their country, and turn away from Obama to support Senator Clinton.
As of now, Obama has about 2229.5 delegate votes, with 1766.5 pledged delegates and 463 super delegates.
Clinton has 1896.5 delegate votes, with 1639.5 pledged and 257 super delegates.
Shift just 175 delegates from Obama to Clinton, and Obama’s power grab comes to a halt.
There must be no nomination of Obama on the first ballot. Once Obama has failed to secure the nomination on the first ballot, the party will be able to reflect on who the nominee ought to be, based on the experiences of June, July, and August.
Senator Clinton is pledged to an orderly, sane, and secure pullout. Clinton wants mandatory universal health care and a freeze on foreclosures. She wants to shift the federal gasoline tax away from motorists, truckers, and farmers and towards the Oil Industry.
Obama is on the wrong side of all of these issues.
Hillary Clinton is and has always been on the side of traditional Democratic Party values.
We want a president from the Democratic Party, not from a small group of elite, libertarian Neo-Liberals. Lexington and Concord were started by a few dozen farmers.
Does the Democratic Party still have 175 patriots with the courage to take a stand?
PUMAS URGE YOU TO BRING TO AND END WHAT HAS BEEN A MOST FRAUDULENT CAMPAIGN
We are PUMAs — Democrats who reject an automatic proxy vote.
Instead, we are fighting for real Democratic Party values and the future of the party we love and still claim as our own.
We call on the delegates to the Denver convention to search their consciences, their experiences in past elections, and their own common sense.
Our party has had enough of defeat and retreat. We must not allow the DNC to impose on us yet another losing General Election candidate.
Obama’s anemic poll numbers already foreshadow defeat in November, and his continuing sellout on the issues is only making matters worse.
We urge you to reconsider your vote for Obama, and to instead vote for Senator Clinton — the strongest candidate, the people’s choice in the popular vote, and the candidate who has and will continue steadfastly to represent the core pillars of the Democratic Party.
Vote to seat Michigan and Florida at full strength as elected in the January primary. Organize your fellow delegates to block Obama.
Vote for Clinton, for victory in November, and for an end to the long nightmare of the Iraq war.
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Now wait a minute, Will. Consider the enemy we’re up against here - the investment banks, oil companies, etc., all supporting Obama. And his economics team from the Milton Friedman “free markets run amok” model at the U of Chicago. The following article, Obama Represents Bush’s Third Term, puts all this in perspective.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
(or click on my screen name)
Now with all this money being thrown at delegates, is it reasonable to think that a well thought-out rationale will change any of their minds, or that a protest in Denver will do the trick? It’s a fair question. Why not fight the DNC where they’re vulnerable, with their bogus nominee declaration on June 3rd in which they allowed superdelegates to vote 3 months early after stripping Florida/Michigan delegates for their states voting 1-2 weeks early? We’ve got them by the huevos on this point, and by forcing the DNC to restore those pledged delegates NOW or be labeled unpatriotic, Clinton will have to withdraw her endorsement and get back in the race, as a Democrat (or I think more successfully) as an Indenpendent.
Problem is, this can’t wait until August. Every day that passes is like the Headless Horseman riding through Sleepy Hollow and claiming more victims. That’s why we need to put the DNC up against the wall in their own D.C. backyard, and do it tomorrow.
“No nomination without representation.”
175 delegates is less than 3.5 per state, counting Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. That doesn’t seem so insurmountable when you look at it that way.
I hope somebody does something soon. Hit the DNC from every direction.
Very good!
The problem that I see and no one has addressed this issue is let us say we are lucky and Hillary gets the nod, and further more Hillary indeed becomes our President.
The “problem”, she will be stuck with a democratic congress that HATES her, how would she handle this?
I guess they’ll just have to “GET OVER IT!”
Yep, they will “get over it”.
hates her?? She was given a standing ovation when she returned to the senate.
They have their fingers crossed hoping and praying that something will happen. They are counting on the people to overhaul his ass. They are just as worried and scared as we are. They have the inside dope and many of them have no choice. He knows them up front and personal and he knows where they live.
SNEAKK
Say NO to Electing A Kenyan King.
Yeah, he’s an American, right. That’s why he stepped in now to be POTUS. He’s been writing propaganda since he was 35 years old.
Who is so important that they write 2 bogus biographies without a single accomplishment.
If he was a true blue American he wouldn’t be using our African American’s heritage to stage this coup. He is stealing the prestigious
and honorable distinction of being the First African American President. We have so many qualified and capable African Americans that deserve to be our President. People who have spent their entire lives in public service making a difference.
Who is this person and where did he sneak in from?
I am not so sure that the tap is still running so freely. He was receiving a misleading amount of republican money to battle HRC. And. Some of those “little” voters are significantl disillusioned so that they are not going to freely fill his coffers. I for one am really holding my breath for the release of June’s fund raising numbers. May’s were dismal. Add that to no money coming in for the DNC and you have a very good look at how the prospects look not just for the top of the ticket but for all of those who fill the congressional seats that — at least theoretically — should be more important than the Presidency.
Even when the $$$ numbers come in, his will be bogus, as usual.
HOW in the world do you propose we do this? They certainly aren’t listening to any of us. We’ve tried e-mails by the millions as well as withholding donations to the DNC but with Mr. Deep Pockets it doesn’t seem the DNC needs our money anymore. I believe we are millions strong but it doesn’t seem anything we do is “holding their feet to the fire.”
Any suggestions?
I will go to Denver (God willing), but I don’t think it will change anything. (Unless of course a miracle happens.) I go there to show and to keep the spirit.
I think the DNC will fight to keep Obama as nominee. They will not want to look like idiots.
I believe that our battle will be at the voting booths. We have to mobilize everybody we can - to vote against Obama. We can take 4 years of McCain any time over Obama’s.
The money for the DNC and Obama travels very dark roads. They will have what they need - from Soros and others.
The DNC will wake up when it is way-way too late.
That’s why her best bet is to run as an Independent. But she has to have the justification to withdraw her endorsement and restart her campaign. That’s our job, and the way to do this is to raise a huge stink outside DNC headquarters in D.C. There, we have to present ourselves as bipartisan patriots, representing all Americans who despise tyranny. That’s why a reenactment of the Boston Tea Party on dry ground has been suggested by different people. It will take celebrities and folks willing to get arrested in order to corral the media into covering it. If only we could get one of the major groups to sponsor, but unfortunately, they all seem to be run by men, except for the ones who are consuming themselves with the heavy task of retirning Clinton’s debt, which are run by women. So even the movement to get a woman candidate elected president is bound by traditional sex roles.
Anyone planning to go to Denver, please be sure to take your Homeowners/ Tenant insurance policy with you. The liability section provides bail bond. And God knows we will need it.
Remember Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 and the primaries 2008?
They have already figured out how to steal our votes. Beware.
Beg Auchi and Alsaamare to join PUMA?
The DNC Red Army will be very displeased.
WOW, nice job.
“HONEST DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES”
is that an oxymoron?
Hey there, I’m an honest democratic delegate. Watch what you say. It’s the politicians we have to worry about.
Do you, as a delegate, have any ideas of what we can do?
I’m sure they meant SUPERdelegates, where fear of a well-funded primary opponent, bribery and blackmail come before honesty.
GO PUMA GO AND DO NOT BOTHER COMING BACK.
Nothing but a bunch of Republican Tricksters and RNC Shill sites.
My ancestors helped to get the British out of what is now the US — you little UK twerp — go to hel.
Obama will be going to jail — you can visit him in jail.
Three more troll posts and UKforDems earns an SS patch for his Obama brownshirt.
Don’t you find it interesting that except for this lemon head limey and “I believe,” there are fewer brats here than normal? They all must be with mum and pop on the extended family weekend.
and? your point is? we love Larry around here. “get over it”.
UK Dems
Having once the great disgust and misfortune of living in Europe, I understand what enemies of America you Europeans truly are!
GO FUCK YOURSELF AND GET BACK TO YOUR LITTLE ISLAND OF ANAL RETENTIVE BASTARDS! WE DON’T WANT YOU HERE!
I am a registered sex offender but I am entitled to have an opinion.
You are also entitled to keep your opinion to yourself.
Give your opinion to Phleger and Wright, we don’t want to hear it.
A definite Repub whose — “look over here” — type of response tells it all.
Don’t even bother responding to uk. He’s obviously here just to distract and set us off. Don’t bite the bait.
Oops. Strike “whose” and go with “who’s.”
?????????????????? Asshole ??????????????????
Mind your own f’in business ukfordems in america..
What america does is none of your f’in business now scram.
This “Trickster” wants nothing more than HRC’s superb health plan for his grown children who cannot afford health insurance.
And I am in the blogs fighting every day simply for that.
Clinton is driven, crazed to make this plan her legacy.
Obama does not have
. a robust plan, and;
. he does not have the SPINE or the initiative to get it through.
He couldn’t even get the radioactivity out of the drinking water for his own district.
We aren’t leaving and we aren’t stopping. What part of this are you having a hard time understanding?
ukfordems: And your point is? Go spam some UK site troll.
I believe it was about a week ago I posted in the comments here Obama would take McCain’s policy on the war in Iraq…He did this throughout the campaign to Hillary’s policies…it was just a few days and he did it…he (obama) took her plans repeatedly and claimed them as his why would he not steal McCain’s….
someone replied back who will he copy if he wins the White House….I don’t remember who they suggested.
I am here to say I told you so…I have put off doing it but this post seems to be the appropriate post to do it in…..I hope people realize that he has done this all along before it is to late for real change…Hillary Clinton….
30yr we have “told you so” bumper stickers at liberalrapture.com
I need to get some of those!!
Why is it that sometimes when I go to LiberalRapture it is all messed up?? Blog roll down the middle and such….
Anser is: Bill Clinton. Ovomit already took his accomplishment of reducing the welfare rolls to 80% and claimed it for his own..arghh
Only thing is that the reason the welfare rolls were reduced by big dawg is because they all got training and good jobs from Big Dawg and Hill
Who will Obama copy if he wins in November? Ghengis Khan, most likely.
Bill, Bill, Please come out from where ever you are! We need you!
175 True patriots…please step forward and save us.
I seriously got an email today forwarded from some new age channeller who is excusing Obama’s flip-flops as something he has to do to pretend he’s on the side of the Illuminati. The cognitive dissonance of these people is astounding.
http://hillaryorbust.com/2008/07/the-most-bizarre-obama-excuse-ever/
I believe it is illiterati in Oblahblah’s case.
I’m surpise they haven’t said its because he is black and therefore has to win the white vote this way. “Ahhh sucks donald, He’s just foolin with ya!”
Believe me BO will play the race card more than ever right before the convention in order to intimidate the delegates who are now beginning to see the truth. They’re so afraid of the “racist” label that barring any unforseen, external obstacle they’ll crown him in Denver. Remember, right before the RBC met in May the MSM ratcheted up the discourse on the race issue. The Democratic Party’s been hijacked by the worst possible people, from the”Goddamn America” crazy preacher to Marxist Soros and on and on with this cast of characters. God help us all.
A comment left on my blog speaks to the race card playing in a way..here is some of it…
The racial differences in this election are a smokescreen for the REAL differences between Obama and McCain (or Obama and his followers on one hand and most of the country on the other). If Obama et al. can keep us bickering about “racism” and “race-carding,” we’re not talking about the real, underlying issues, and on those issues I would be for McCain and against Obama if McCain were black and Obama white. So my response to “race-carding” is simply this: “Voters, black, white, brown, and whatever, are entitled to make an ethnocentric choice if they wish. Now, let’s talk about what matters . . . .”
This guy has some pretty good post on his blog that I have read….check his place out when you have the time…
http://jay1949.wordpress.com/
The only thing they are more afraid of than the race card is losing to McCain. If Obama were 15 points behind in the polls against McCain they would dump him.
Then he needs to play the WHITE race card because that is what he is if he’s American.
I’m a pledged Hillary delegate. Don’t forget about us. We need to keep Hillary’s pledged delegates in line or even a few disillusioned Obama delegates switching sides won’t help.
Hillary National Delegates Unite!
I was elected as a delegate to represent those who voted for Hillary in the primary in my district and I promised them I would support her to the end. Even though Hillary has suspended her campaign and offered her support to get Obama elected in November, I intend to carry out that promise.
I support the work of The Denver Group and the I Own My Vote pledge, but these efforts will be meaningless unless we can keep the delegates together. The party rules allow delegates to vote for anyone. They are supposed to vote for the candidate they were pledged to, but the convention rules don’t force them to do that. So, even if we have an open convention, if Hillary’s delegates are not given the information they need to support her, many of their votes will go to Obama.
Due to Hillary’s show of support for Obama, her campaign is not cooperating with efforts to organize her delegates. We have to do that ourselves. I’m sure that some of Hillary’s delegates are reading this blog. We need you to contact us. Please contact susanunpc here at No Quarter and she will forward the email addresses to me and we will communicate with you.
If the Democratic Party wants the votes of Hillary’s supporters in November, they will have to show respect for the 18 million who voted for Hillary in the primaries. This is the kind of unity I want to see in the Democratic Party, a unity where we respect each others views, even if we don’t always agree. Hillary’s delegates represent those 18 million voters and we are going to Denver to see that they get the respect they deserve.
Marc F:
2 questions:
If Hillary is not on the first round of roll calls, will a majority of hillary delegates walk out?
2, I’m curious if Hillary is not the nominee in august, after all the lies the fraud has told, will you be backing him or go to mccain?
nothing like getting right to the point…
Well Marc F.? We’re waiting…
ssmith:
1. If Hillary is not on the ballot, according to convention rules, we can still vote for her, presuming there is a roll call. If they try to nominate Obama without a roll call, there will be hell to pay!
2. One qualification of being a delegate to the national convention is to work for the success of the Democratic Party. But remember, the general election, unlike the convention, is run by secret ballot.
i’m following your lead on this one ssmith.
what say you?
My local newspaper(Massachusetts) had an article yesterday about Hillary delegates “skipping” the convention. Of course I wrote that they must fulfill their obligations, as she has not released her delegates. And shirking their solemn duty to vote for her on the first roll call would be disprespectful to her historic campaign and the majority of the will of Dems in MA who voted overwhelmingly for Hillary!
But now I am thinking- Is this a ploy? A strategic move by strong Hillary delegates to boycott if she is not on the ballot? Wouldn’t that deny him the “magic” number of delegates??????????
I think it is a ploy by the Obamabots to convince Hillary’s delegates to stay home. If a delegate doesn’t show up, they can be replaced by alternates. I also know that the delegates are not organized enough to plan such a thing so it may be just a case of an isolated delegate making the news.
Hillary delegates are feeling much like orphans now. We need some love so we can have the courage to support Hillary and keep the Democratic Party democratic.
How do we get a list? State- by- state to support them?
Even I can’t get a list. Each state democratic party should have a list of all the emails of all the delegates. Also, Hillary’s campaign has the information. Both groups are holding that information as a closely guarded secret. Everyone should find out who their local Hillary delegates are to the convention. Most states have names posted on their websites, though I wouldn’t expect to see contact information there.
It’s a ploy. They did this before by phone calling Hill delegates and telling them to stay home.
Now that would be cruel. Heh.
I trust that this does not represent an encouragement to vote for the Repug candidate?
All Parties have clear rules about that.
Yes, it’s clear that Democratic Convention delegates may not encourage anyone to vote for the Republican nominee. I would never suggest that. But the Democratic Party will need the votes of Hillary’s supporters to win in November and I don’t believe they can get that support without an open convention giving Hillary the respect she deserves.
LOL it appears my name got jacked by UKIE. That isn’t my post.
I was wondering about that.
It does appear hijacking is popular on this site which is something some Hillary supporters suggest that they want to do at the Convention.
“suggesting” is is an interpretation which occurs of the BOBOweenie mind. LOL You on the other hand are actually jacking my name you drunken Irish shit head Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Wow, I saw something the other day on NQ - and it wasn’t me?
Mark,
Lets get the ball rolling, what do we have to do?
READY ,WILLING AND CAN’T WAIT
Mary,
No one is talking about the pledged delegates, as if they are a done deal. Everyone counts us in the vote count, but they don’t realize that pledged delegates can vote for anyone. Hillary’s campaign is not taking care of her delegates, so if bloggers recognize the importance of Hillary’s pledged delegates and keep talking about it, some of her delegates who may be tempted to change their votes will stay with us.
We will do our job inside the convention and others will do their job outside the convention.
Maybe I’m mistaken but I thought I heard he replaced her delegates here in Florida with his own. Is that possible?
I believe the RBC meeting in May divided the Florida delegation into half for Hillary and half for Obama. The delegates are supposed to be chosen in district conventions based on the primary vote, but Florida is a special case and I don’t know how they are choosing the delegates. In any case, half the FL delegation must be pledged to Hillary.
I read about that too, but I think that the Florida Democratic Party shut him out by threating to sue him or something. But yes, he did try to do that, but didn’t succeed.
Oh good, I found the article and it said he was trying to replace her delegates with ones more loyal to him but the article didn’t say if he succeeded.
thanks marc.. I know you probably can’t say that you might vote for mccain in the fall b/c you guys have to sign some pledge that you will support the dem. party or you will lose your delegate status, so I understand
… BUT like you said the GE, its all private,
I have a suspicion many many of hillary delegate will vote mccain.. if hillary is not the nominee
Hillary’s representatives are in negotiation with Obama’s right now on how the convention will be conducted. It’s sad that it comes down to negotiations. But pressure has to be put on them to show what the consequences will be of pushing Hillary and her delegates aside in the convention. I think the PUMA’s are helping Hillary in this, but they should be focusing on the convention now rather than the GE.
Marc:
are you aware of the the denver grp??… right now they are raising $$ for a major media buy to make sure hillary is on the first round of roll calls, PLEASE EVERYONE DONATE WHAT YOU CAN:
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/action-alert-funds-for-rapid-media-buy.html
Yes, I’m in contact with them. They need everyone’s support because their work will support the efforts of Hillary’s delegates.
Someone needs to remind the pledged delegates not to disclose who they will vote for in the GE. JUst focus on the convention.
Agreed. I’ve reminded delegates not to openly support PUMA and JSND. Our job as delegates is inside the convention. We hope that those on the outside of the convention will support us.
If they are real Democrats they should not be supporting PUMA, openly or otherwise.
Anyone campaigning for the Repugs from within the Democrats (to be fair the other wat round as well) deserves expulsion.
The conservative fringe expelled liberals from the republican party after Reagan won. The progressive BOBoweenie fringe will do the same after BOBO wins. Fringe is fringe.
Don’t be fooled. Obama is not a progressive. He’s thrown the progressives under the bus too.
Fringe conservatives aren’t conservatives either. But we have to call them something and after all the decades that liberals have gotton the the shit end of the stick from the fringes I’m more then happy to call them what they want to be called. Obama supporters in Seattle self identify as progressives and will dispute that they are Liberal. OK, the fringe left wants to be called progressive. That leaves the political center in the country as liberal and that’s what it was all along.
it worries me that Clinton’s campaign is not cooperating with efforts to organize her delegates.
i have some related questions. i thought that a candidate could replace any pledged delegate that s/he didn’t consider reliable. (here’s one cite but that had been my understanding in previous elections too)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/02/delegate.explainer/index.html
is that the case? if it is the case, how can the Wisc. Democratic Party replace Bartoshevich? does Hillary get to approve Bartoshevich’s replacement?
is there some way we can help you contact or organize all of Hillary’s pledged delegates? i’m sure that their names must be public information even if you can’t get a list from Hillary’s campaign.
thanks for any information.
to sassysenora
All the delegate candidates had to be approved by the presidential campaigns before their election. If any delegate acts in bad faith, or against the interests of the party (for example advocating the election of McCain), that would be grounds for removing them from the delegation. But in that case, the delegate must be replaced by another of the same presidential preference. They might use an alternate, but in the case of my district, there is only one alternate and that is an Obama supporter.
The names of the delegates are public but not their contact information. When we do find a delegate, we verify their status so slowly we are building our network.
Obama said he didn’t mind the high gas prices. He will do whatever is good for Excelon/Axelrod. More war = high Gas Price = new nuclear reactors = Excelon wins.
What a surprise the exact same talking points as the Repugs in their new ad. Well how about it ensuring that the World moves on from damaging fossil based fuels and looks at alternative energy. Will not go down well with the Texan Oil Barons that fund the Repugs.
And where might one find such add? Somehow you forgot to provide a link or a reference.
Maybe they are only showing it in ENGLAND where they can’t FREAKING VOTE for the axxhole!
At least McCain is advocating a NASA-like program for renewable energy … and BoBo wants to do what with NASA? Right? Shut it down to save 1% and lose valuable scientific brains to who? China?
He said he will take money from NASA and give it to schools. In other words, lets stop science for the sake of education. OBAMORON
Ya, where is it?
UK, you’re such an idiot!!!Obama’s plan is for us to walk while he jets around and takes his limo!! Asshole. God I can’t stand Assholes!!
You aren’t from the UK. No one there would use the phrase “Exact same”. It is akin to saying “big large”. Gotcha, bot. Now go back to mommy’s basement.
Sounds like the way they talk in Dallas!
sounds like a short 2 worder that Obama uses..exact same..man-go to air america radio and hear Ovomit on today’s radio..complete with uh’s um’s and stutuering in triplets.
SNEAK (SNUK) wants us to believe the Obamarama Coup is global.
I’ll be doing a piece soon on Misters Daschle and Obama and their connection to corn and ethanol. Two thieves, tight as two sheets of paper.
I am really afraid Obama is going to buy this election. I just read an article about his fund raising and he is raising a ridiculous amount of money. Sen. John McCain will get $84 million from taxpayers after the Republican National Convention, but he won’t be able to accept donations directly from voters. However, since Obama has refused public funding he could easily raise another 300 million for the general election. God help us all!!
So how do we get around this problem…donate to RNC?
I wish I knew 30yrdem, maybe contribute to 527s
if you want to support McCain (instead of e.g., voting for a 3rd party candidate), i’d first contribute directly to him until you are maxed out on your donations ($2300 per person per election cycle). if you contribute to the RNC (i think each person can contribute $75,000 to them), most of your money will probably go toward electing McCain and GOTV (bc both help all Repub candidates) but some will probably go to other things like Repub Senate or Congressional races. or you could contribute to 527s who are in line with your beliefs. (e.g., i would never contribute to any smear campaigns like the Swift Boat ads).
Kinda of OT but a new Obama supporter talking point:
Since Obama has more money than McCain he should win easily.
So once Obama stopped being for getting big money out of politics his supporters did too. So much for being either progressive or liberal.
His supporters are in the “whatever it takes to win” mode. Which was a serious character flaw when it came to Hillary. Now, because Obama’s behaving that way, it’s a good thing.
Obama has never net a lie he couldn’t tell.
If he is talking he is lying.
Hell, when he’s thinking he’s lying. It is starting to show, too, as he stammers responses to pointed questions.
and stuttering..he was on air america today. I have never heard anyone in all of my life talk so much and say nothing..er er er ah ah ah
That’s right candymarl, they have no scruples!!
He didn’t win the primary with all that money. Had the Primary ran like a GE, he would have lost bad. I put that out there for your consideration.
I am here looking for friends. Please reply to my posts. There no place for me to go.
Brainwashed Obots are lonely. Get used to it!
and let’s not forget that it’s very lonely being drunk and Irish
It took me years to get through rehab. Praise the Lord for Betty Ford clinics. Now I can get on with supporting Republicans.
LOL you couldn’t have gone through rehab UKIE. All twelve step programs require drunks like yourself to embrace a higher power. The one you irish Protestants defer to is quit clear about bearing false witness against your neighbor. LMAO you’re own jacked posts refute your claim.
i replied to the post you left here…
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/05/is-democracy-%E2%80%9Cfree-for-all%E2%80%9D-video/
or was that not you…
Comment by UKforDems | 2008-07-06 14:33:26
Yes, but I change sides every five minutes. I can’t hold on to a thought but I am the best at cut and paste.
It’s OK, so is/does BOBO
I will give you a pass on your posts…I will just keep passing right over them…
It was not me - as I said I will continue to fight Republican sham sites.
Right. It was the other drunken you. Ah, the advantages of the black out Irish drunk….plausible deniability
And I am a lier myself.
ROFLMAO you two sure have a lot to talk about. How many whiskeys does that take?
That’s because nobody likes you.
Try jumping off a high building.
You can go F yourself, bloke.
The Iraq War was never an issue for me since I always believed that whoever took office was not going to take the troops out of Iraq. And that included Hillary. The Iraq War was used as leverage against Hillary because of her vote just to give Obama the edge since he wasn’t in the Senate and he could do all of this posturing about being against the war. And it worked. He no longer needs to do that. What are his supporters going to do about it? Many of them got what they wanted, Hillary out of the picture. And the younger voters simply aren’t paying that much attention to the details. It’s summer, after all.
I personally want to focus on all the other great reasons for tossing out Obama on his Dumbo ears and making Hillary our nominee. And there are many good reasons beside Iraq.
Iraq is a clusterfuck. And Bush/Cheney should have been impeached over this. It’s going to take some very fancy footwork to get us out of there and it’s going to be slower than any of us would want.
It’s a reality I faced long ago, which is why the Dem leadership disappointed me by not having Impeachment proceedings. The only way to begin on the path towards ending this thing is for Americans to be in lock step about where the blame lies for the reasons the US is in Iraq in the first place. As long as there is a doubt about this, we’ll be stuck there.
It may seem like a moot point, but it might be the only way to shake the Iraqis into figuring out an amicable way to get along with each other so we can withdraw. Sometimes admitting a wrong opens the door toward resolution and healing. The Iraqis and the rest of the Middle East are simply waiting us out as our economy tanks.
An Obama presidency is going to fail because it will proceed under the naive belief that he, as a man of color, will be the framework toward negotiating peace and accord. If all it took was a man of color to accomplish peace, then there would be no turmoil in the Middle East and Africa where the leaders are males of color. That Americans persist in being so willfully ignorant of other cultures is part of the reason we are stuck in Iraq. Tribalism and its pursuant conflicts have to be understood. If they had been, then we probably would never have gone into Iraq. It would have been understood that Sadaam Hussein, though a brutal dictator, was the glue that kept certain factions in check.
What could Obama do that would be so transforming? Speak Arabic? If that’s all it took, then the Iraqis could have been talking with each other about getting us out of their country.
I don’t think the Iraq issue is the way to get Hillary the nomination.
everything he ran on in the primary he has flipped on…NAFTA…the war etc…he said what he needed to just to get votes…I would not trust anything he says now…
PLEASE everyone- spread the word about California
Superdelegate and Chair of Voting Rights for the DNC Hispanic Caucus Steven J. Ybarra!
He is threatening PUMAs who contact him about his August vote with “concentration camps”! His rants are full of vulgarities and utter disrespect!!!! See the end of comments at on “Here’s Why” for full thread!!!
Can a Kristallnacht be far behind if these Oblahblahbots seize the party? (80 years ago, November 9th)? Yikes.
Cut and paste is so much fun
Cut and paste and then put it over your piehole.
PUMAs!! As the weekend winds down….
Boardwalk Breather…My Favorites from the Jersey Shore to NM (Yes, There are Boardwalks in NM!!)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/66hpcx
Relax and see some great pics as I remember good times at the Jersey Shore…Southside Johnny is still playing at the Stone Pony (as of July 3rd!)
Enjoy and take a breather….so PUMAs can start the week’s fight for democracy in a positive mode!!
Great post, Will Bower. PUMAs must help convince the Superdelegates to switch their votes to Clinton. bHo can only win when there is no opponent; that is why his multi-million dollar corporate supporters and DNC-anyone-but-a-Clinton-types gamed the system to exclude Clinton. But we PUMA-JustSay-No-Deal-18-Million-Voter-Denver-types will do our best to see that this bHo dream becomes his (and the undemocratic DNC leaders’) nightmare. Hillary was elected fair and square in state primaries.
I do have a question about Convention procedure. I have always understood that delegates won through state elections or caucuses were pledged to the candidate as registered by the Secretary of each state until such time as the candidate released his/her delegates, or after the first ballot if no candidate is chosen. Hillary Clinton has suspended her campaign; she has not released her delegates, even if she is cooperating with bHo.
The DNC Charter and Bylaws seem somewhat mealy-mouthed to me — the version that says “Amended by the DNC Dec 3, 2005″ (by Dean and company). It does refer to “establishing standards and rules of procedure….”(Article 1. Section 4). Most importantly, Article 2 on the Convention states that the Convention shall “assure that delegations fairly reflect the division of preferences expressed by those who participate in the Presidential nominating process.” (Section 4.b.) To Marc F., given this Article, I do not see how Hillary’s elected delegates can be taken away before the Convention unless she gives them up. What does “organize her delegates” for the Convention mean?
No wonder Mr. Nothing has to copy first Hillary, then McCain. He has no experience. bHo is the first UNQUALIFIED AND ILLEGITIMATE CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT EVER PUT FORWARD BY A MAJOR PARTY. Please let 175 Superdelegates come to their senses.
PUMA power for democracy and a qualified candidate.
to Chumped Democrat:
The idea of a candidate releasing a delegate is a myth. The convention rules say nothing about it. Rather the rules do say that a delegate may not be forced to vote for a candidate they did not pledge to at the time of their election as a delegate. The vote of a delegate at the convention is owned by the delegate and not the candidate.
The article in the rules you refer to is about the composition of the delegation and is used to determine how many delegates are allocated to each presidential candidate. These slots are filled based on the stated presidential preferences of the candidates for the delegate slots. However, once the delegates are elected, the only rule that applies to their vote is one that states that they should in good conscience reflect the views of the people that elected them. This is very ambiguous and it would be almost impossible to challenge a delegate’s vote based on this rule.
Even if Hillary advises me to vote for Obama, I’m not bound by that and I intend to vote for her at the convention, even if her name is not placed in nomination (yes I can do that), as long as there is a roll call vote.
“Now, in a North Dakota campaign event, Obama has declared that he will consult with the generals and “refine his position” on the Iraq war. ”
Blatant lie. He did not say this, and the author knows it. The author has to take three words out of context and change one of the three in an attempt to turn what Obama said into something else. Pathetic.
Time for your nap, little man?
Snappy rebuttal of the facts.
Let me be as clear as I can be. I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the joint chiefs of staff in and I will give them a new mission and that is to end this war,” Obama told reporters in his second news conference.
But he added: “I would be a poor commander in chief if I didn’t take facts on the ground into account.”
At an earlier news conference, the Illinois senator had said he could “refine” his stance after he visits Iraq.
Obama, an early opponent of the war who made his stance a centerpiece of his Democratic presidential campaign, said he would not support a long-term U.S. presence in Iraq but wanted to ensure any troop withdrawal was orderly and safe.
“I’ve always said I would listen to commanders on the ground. I’ve always said the pace of withdrawal would be dictated by the safety and security of our troops and the need to maintain stability,” he told reporters on arrival in North Dakota.
“That assessment has not changed, and when I have a chance to meet with some of the commanders on the ground I’m sure I’ll have more information and will continue to refine my policies.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080704/pl_nm/usa_politics_obama_iraq1_dc
There is your facts. He is clearly saying that he may change his position based on the advise of his commanders. I mean did you fail reading comprehension or did you even pass high school?
He said he might “refine his policy” not position. This was in the context of how to withdraw the troops. That is hardly “signaling endless war in Iraq” as the headline above says.
He has said, for at least 4 years, he would withdraw combat troops within 16 months. He said it again in that news conference. The fat that he is going to talk to the military guys and refine how to get it done is a good thing. But it is not a change in position nor is it a signal of endless war.
I think your problem is you want him to mean one thing, so you reinterpret his words to that goal. But if you look at the explicit things he said, there is no doubt what his intentions are, so there is no need to read all these fantasies into “refine my policies” on how to best withdraw the troops.
If you want to convince me, don’t use mangled quotes by other people, or intermingle your words with his. Pull a specific quote from the transcript and explain how it signals a change in position. And keep in mind it has to be pretty strong, since he explicitly states he has not changed his position and his position is on record about 100 times (unlike McCain or Clinton). In case you missed it, his position is withdraw all combat troops within 16 months, starting immediately after he is president, in such a way as to ensure their safety and the safety of those left behind.
If he pulls the troops out in 16 months and AL Qaeda takes over Iraq, then what?
BOBO isn’t pulling troops out.
Well, that will be a bad situation. But that is exactly what is happening right now in Afgthanistan, and Obama wants to put more troops in there to handle the situation.
Keep in mind there was zero al-Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded. The war has opened up that as a possibility.
ON the Pak border or the Iranian border?
Remember Charlie Wilson said we screwed up the end game, and if BO couldn’t close the deal in his own party, you think BO is gonna send some McPeek tomahawks into a place the Russians are still REALLY pissed about and would love to via proxy even the score?
Why is it BO supporters are so focused on their own belly buttons? The world is the vacuum between BO’s ears reading BO supporters post!
.
Barky doesn’t even know what language is spoken in Afghanistan and we’re going to trust him with foreign policy?
That’s just fine with Obama. All those terrorist groups over there endorsed him.
He doesn’t want to end the war. He just wants to change the direction of the fire.
Christ you are ridiculous. The fact that you are willing to make up lies so you can pretend to let terrorists influence your politics is beyond pathetic.
Hamas endorsed BOBO
Are you saying Hamas comprises “all those terrorist groups over there”?
I guess, by your comment, Obama won all the primaries because he won Oregon.
I’m saying Hamas endorsed BOBO. It is a simple truth that would negate your accusation, “The fact that you are willing to make up lies so you can pretend to let terrorists influence your politics is beyond pathetic”.
Here we go again…
upitty did not claimn that one group “endorsed” Obama., she claimed “all those terrorist groups over there” did. So, unless all those teeorist groups over there endorsed him, the statement is a lie. I am sure you understand the difference between “all” and “one”.
Ted! you’re back LOL how did the fleeing go for you?
Oh and the fact that any terrorist group endorsed BOBO throws a big monkey wrench into any accusation from you that Uppity is lying since obviously terrorists endorsed BOBO.
He is really planning to meet up with Alsaamare to pick up that $2 Billion.
Now we’re talking!
HILLARY IN AUGUST. NOTHING LESS. PERIOD.
I think many progressives for Obama have seen the light and i like to take this time and WELCOME them back. Come lets UNITE and get Hillary elected. Let bygones be bygones, Obama has exposed himself and it’s NOT to late to send his ass back to the senate. We got room for you under the PUMA tent…show them some PUMA love people.
If serious noquaterusa commenters simply would ignore the trolls, the discussion would be much more informative and enjoyable.
GUYS:
are you aware of the the denver grp??… right now they are raising $$ for a major media buy to make sure hillary is on the first round of roll calls, PLEASE PLEASE EVERYONE DONATE WHAT YOU CAN to this PAC, and spread the word.. :
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/action-alert-funds-for-rapid-media-buy.html
In Honor Of Many Obama Supporters That Have Seen The Light And Returned, From All Us PUMA’S http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCaUJN6MFrw
Hi guys:
are you aware of the the denver grp??… right now they are raising $$ for a major media buy to make sure hillary is on the first round of roll calls, PLEASE PLEASE EVERYONE DONATE WHAT YOU CAN to this PAC, and send it to all to raise the $$ we need for this media buy:
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/action-alert-funds-for-rapid-media-buy.html
Is the PUMA PAC going to do this also or is it just raising money for buses?
Where do I sign?
I got assigned/promoted to another site, adios.
We know you’re a chickenshit. LOL we’ve gotten over it.
Not me - I will continue to fight Republican lies.
continue to wage your drunken crusade from your Irish bar stool. You’ll be safe on the other side of the Atlantic.
Hey, UK is NOT IRISH, it is a limey…the Irish know a BS artist when thet see one.
UKIE said he was Irish on the forth of July. LOL of course I wouldn’t put it past a BOBOweenie to be a lying sack of shit. After all UKIE did jack my name and left at least one post under it.
Sorry WC, no self respecting Irishman would say they’re from the UK…unless it’s from Northern Ireland.
That was my read. It also would explain Ukie’s aversion to the term republican (IRA) . You can feel the venom when he writes it even though he would otherwise have no emotional connection to the word as he is a foreigner. My guess is UKIE is an Northern Irish protestant loyal to England.
I hate those guys. Ulsters. When I die bury me in Dublin, Ireland with a bottle of Paddy. And make sure the wake is one hell of a blowout.
And I will fight Obama’s lies
See, thats where you don’t get it. We are former democrats. The lies you allude to are from your own party DUH!
What with, BOtoids?
And I will fight my own lies.
I am a little dizzy right now.
booze will do that to you.
LOL
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.
Now he’s from Mexico.
Thank you Will- you said it clearly. Millions agree with you. Obama is a fraud who will forsake America for himself and his cronies.
What a retard HATES her hmmmm she WON the POPULAR vote and Won 9 out of 10 blue dawg states…I would think Dems is blue dog states hate Obama.
An elegantly crafted plan of action Will.
Haha. Good one.
Ironically, this is one thing I do not oppose Obama on. You democrats are pretty foolish with regard to this issue in particular. To be blunt, you’ve been lied to, by your own party. The war was necessary. It was moral. And it’s pretty much won. ALL democratic party officials fully known and understand the truth of this. When they say otherwise, they are attempting to sabotage this so that they can blame the republicans and gain some sort of advantage for future elections.
Not one of them believes it for a second. You think Obama should be different? Please. That would make him a moron. Which is pretty much the nicest thing I can say about him. At least he’s not a moron. He doesn’t actually believe his own lies. Then again, neither does anyone else in the party.
This is where Clinton shows that she is a better candidate, by the way. Like ALL democratic party leaders, she KNOWS the truth. She was honest with you. And she paid a high price for it.
Yeah….don’t expect further honesty anytime soon.
If you believe any thing Obama says at this point, it is you who is the foolish one.
I don’t think they should be pulled out Nilly Whilly either. But the point we’re arguing here is that when Hillary said she would speak to her advisers and start pulling the troops out as soon as possible in a safe manor, Obama would come back and say he will start to remove the troops on day one.
He used that argument to his advantage and now he is flip flopping.
It’s pretty much won?…uh nope, we just cut deals with a lot of people who were trying to kill us just a few months ago and we hope that we won’t get stabbed in the back somewhere down the road. We’re putting a bunch of tribal leaders in charge of their own areas and they are playing nice as long as we keep paying them and keep them from turning on other tribes. It’s basically putting a lid on a boiling pot, hopefully until after the election. Bush fucked up.
War isn’t moral and this war wasn’t necessary. That we are stuck in this war is an unfortunate consequence of a nation supporting it’s fringe when that fringe ran a candidate for president. More then any other reason this is the reason I oppose the candidacy of Jelloman: BOBO the magnificent. John McCain can be called many things… but fringe isn’t one of them.
LOL this is funny.
Here. You may not be able to double post so I’ll post it here.
Hi GUys:
wanted to share what one of the SDs wrote a democrat asking them to switch their votes:
“I received this email from Clinton Dems. It is a copy of an email from a super delegate. If you have a chance drop him a note today:
I recently sent a copy of the open letter that was sent to Howard Dean regarding being disenfranchised by the DNC decision regarding Florida (and Michigan) to about 150 DNC delegates.”
This is the response from Steven J. Ybarra JD of California: (pasted below)
good for you, when the fascists come in the middle of the night to take you to a
concentration camp. remember how you voted.
take me off your whiner list.
–
Siempre Adelante
/s/Steve
Steven J. Ybarra JD
Chair Voting Rights Committee
DNC Hispanic Caucus
PO Box 367
Sacramento, Ca 95812
916-442-7211
http://www.consultantsassociated.com
There are three places of relative importance to the Train, watching it go by,
in front of it or driving it. (end of response)
And I thought that only the far right cornered the market on insanity….opened my eyes!
Seems Mr. Ybarra’s post is being circulated on the internet. I wonder how long it will take him to get hit in the face with the reality of what he has said. I’d think he would be a little embarrassed to know that he said this kind of thing and it is being passed around in public forums. It makes him look really foolish.
I’ll try to find some Hispanic websites and send it around to them.
Example of where to find delegate information, more to follow.
sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tennessee_2008_presidential_primary_and_superdelegates
Tom Hayden, who was part of the Chicago Seven as part of the 1968 Democratic National Convention riots, wrote a piece about Obama’s flip-flop on Iraq in huffingtonpost and begins with,
“Call him slippery or nuanced, Barack Obama’s core position on Iraq has always been more ambiguous than audacious. Now it is catching up with him as his latest remarks are questioned by the Republicans, the mainstream media, and the antiwar movement. He could put his candidacy at risk if his audacity continues to shrivel.”
This sounds serious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/no-retreat-if-you-want-to_b_110916.html
Tom Hayden Fonda is the same ass hole who wrote the piece on Huffpiss on Hillary support of the war. And how he and his wife could not support her and were throwing all their limited weight behind BO. He’s a buddy of Bill Ayers and the rest of the Chicago thugs. His only claim to fame is that he cheated on Jane Fonda and has been a state senator for longer than anyone in CA without a promotion.
Remember ‘68?
good job will. are you sending this to the sd’s?
There is a formula for defeating Obama and that can happen by the time of the convention provided people are serious about mobilizing and putting forth the effort.
The majority of people in this country do not spend much time following politics but their vote counts the same despite their lack of knowledge. They turn the news on and hear the media praising Obama and showing the large crowds at his rallies. The thought goes through their mind “this looks like the guy we need to vote for.”
The formula for beating Obama is simple and consists of the same level of effort Obama’s people are putting in for him. That is show up in huge numbers to protest at every Obama rally. If 20,000 people are hounding Obama and protesting all of his shortcomings and lies the media has no choice but to cover it. 20,000 people shouting “No you can’t” at Obama would be impressive. These types of protests would demonstrate that Obama cannot snap his fingers and declare unity but instead will put him on the defensive.
Put Obama on the defensive and he will unravel, he cannot handle criticism. Obama’s solution is to always come out with a speech, this time it would be called a speech on unity. But this time nobody will feel any thrills up their leg and his luck will finally run out.
The choice is yours. If all we do is talk about this sham then nothing will be accomplished. If people want to organize and get out in the field to oppose Obama then they will succeed.
Don’t forget to shake your keys in protest. It takes the place of signs and will hugely distract him.
Each one of these sites has some form of delegate information, I find the best way to check for current information is to check your state party information page, as some of the delegates have been replaced or added.(your state, democratic party or something to this effect). An example would be in Iowa the Governor’s wife was not a super delegate, she is now. Each site has some interesting information, and last on the list, some donor information. Hope it helps.
Iowapolitics.com
lobbydelegates.com/
thegreenpapers.com/
Has delegate and primary information for both soft & hard delegate and caucus information
NYT Primary Calendar & Other info
politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/primaries/democraticprimaries/index.html
Super Delegates per WAPO
washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/interactives/campaign08/primaries/2008_superdelegates.html
State by State Campaign donation information
followthemoney.org/
Big Campaign Donors
newsmeat.com/2008a-list.php
Since the MSM is ignoring the millions of dems who are saying NO OBAMA!
JustSayNoDeal has its own radio station.
Tonight at 8pm EST, PAULA ABELES, MARILU SOCHOR of REAL DEMOCRATS and HARRIET CHRISTIAN !! — its on RIGHT NOW…
Please bookmark this website, listen often (schedule posted on the website), pass it on to those interested.
You can call into this show as well, the number is listed on the website:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/NO-WE-WONT
I am tired of hearing about 2012 as the next time we shud talk about Hill running! Obama is NOT the nominee. There are a lot of very, very smart people who post on here! Quit having the quitters attitude! We need our gal in office! We cannot afford a McCain or an Obama in office even for 4 years.
If Obama, by some fluke, was elected to office - imagine how much longer it would be before a dem ever had a chance of getting elected again?!
If McCain is elected (probable), he is a dinosaur with antiquated ideas. He is trying hard to appear progressive but it just ain’t happening! Furthermore, he is very old. His VP would then potentially be prez this term and 2 MORE TERMS!
Hillary is no spring chicken. She will be 64 years old in 4 more years. Will she even want to run then?
She, clearly, is the ONLY *remember?suspended?* candidate who is smart enough to at least get start un-snaggling the 8 years of a twisted mess our country is in.
We have some serious problems that need a serious, hard-working, dedicated person who loves this country very much. That person is Hillary Clinton.
C’mon smart people! Let’s develop a plan to get our girl as the nom!
“Always aim high, work hard, and care deeply about what you believe in. When you stumble, keep faith. When you’re knocked down, get right back up. And NEVER listen to anyone who says you can’t or shouldn’t go on.”
- Hillary Rodham Clinton
Thank you Will Bower, it is a good letter. People really ought to consider this seriously.
This is our country.
…our COUNTRY.
I’m not sure if I’m doing this right but I found a list of Colorado delegates. The link to it is: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_9352680
It’s an article from the Denver Post with names and cities. Maybe some Google search would turn up emails etc.
This whole thing is like watching a coup and not knowing what to do about it or how to stop it. It’s damn flustrating.
Hey markf, if you’re still here, thanks for all the info. This entire process is absolutely mystifying.
One of Obama’s chief propagandists thinks Obama is going to begin withdrawing our soldiers as soon as he is sworn into office:
NEVER trust an “academic” from the University of Chicago.
NEVER.
I warned people from the get-go Obama was a fraud.
As I di - last summer in the backyard at a barbeque. By thanksgiving people were still swooning. By March 2008 they didn’t know what to do. They are now PUMA! and saying NO DEAL!
Poor Baby Alex.
Agree with HillGirl.
And I see there are different things that need to be taken care of such as ensuring Senator Hillary Clinton’s name is on the ballot (the Denver group); trying to support her delegates to stick with her, and even hoping 175 delegates will switch to her side.
I also think we should have a parallel pathway looking seriously into forming an INDEPENDENT (PUMA) PARTY in case our Hillary is not the eventual nominee. We will then have an alternative party to go to. I am not thrilled with the idea of voting for McCain but that is what I will do in November if Hillary is not the candidate for President of the Democratic or the Independent party.
I do not think the Democratic Party will mend its fraudulent ways any time soon,if at all. Any problems the party will have will be blamed on Hillary or on the voters for refusing to fall in line behind an unqualified newbie (Obama).
Hillary ran an epic campaign. She promised us she would finish the primary, and she did. She showed us her command of the issues and laid out concrete plans to try to solve our country’s problems. Still, the party leadership chose to”select” Obama through fraud and vote suppresion.
I do not think the Democratic Party will facilitate Hillary’s nomination in 2012. They will bring up excuses and use tricks of all sorts to deny her the nomination. Look at them now; they’re “negotiating”
the appearance of her name in the first ballot as if
she were a stranger who snuck through the back door
without being invited in! We should not tolerate such disrespect towards our leader. She got 18 Million votes, and she represents us!
IF NOT NOW, HILLARY MUST RUN AS INDEPENDENT IN 2012.
She is a brilliant, effective stateswoman. Let’s start preparing already.
Meanwhile, lets keep working towards having our voices heard at the convention in Denver. Will do it
again at the voting booth in November.
Hillary forever!
A PUMA
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Well, it’s either gonna be McCain/Palin or …
Barack Obama starring as “Change” the Gardener in remake of movie classic, “Being There”, starring Peter Sellers as “Chance” the Gardener!
*HT to hs commenting on
puma4palin.blogspot.com
Well, speaking of Obama’s delegates and the convention, I just received a letter from the campaign. I posted it here already: http://www.theotherdemocrats.com/index.php?showtopic=192
I can’t think of anything nastier than Snakes on a Plane, except perhaps a stadium full of many thousands of his nastiest, filthiest thugs.
Well done!
This article sets the standard for concerted effort towards the vital job of stopping the Obama coup on a strong challenge based on what is right and fair, but the issues our nation, we the people face, economically and militarily by this fascist.
Keep the pressure up on all flanks!
Including all Scandals~
[...] to vote for Hillary on the first ballot. To make things more interesting, there is a movement to swing 160 delegates from Obama to Clinton. If that occurs, Clinton could re-establish her campaign and face John McCain [...]
So, now Obama and the DNC want to hold the roll call away from the main hall, and stop the vote partially through … just in case Hillary does well, which might embarrass Obama and the DNC. This is what happens when a candidate and a party manipulate the process, and try to force a candidate down the throats of the constituents. Obama might have trashed the Clintons, and gotten over 90% of the black vote, but in the process America has been thrown under the bus.
PUMA is nearly extinct.
The charade is over. Party Unity Is Reality!
If you truly care about the future of this country, it’s not about Hillary, or Barack, or John McCain, it’s about undoing the wrongs we’ve suffered for the last 8 years, not trying to create false drama.
You guys got no donations, but you sure got a lot of publicity, luckily your star has been extinguished over the past two days.
It’s about the future, not about Hillary. I regained my respect for Hillary last night, I hope these PUMA freaks gain a little respect for an honest campaign, a good man, and a genuine win.
Vote Obama / Biden 2008!