“Mental Distress” Redux
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on July 7, 2008 at 3:30 PM in Abortion, Barack Obama, Pandering, WORMs
If you didn’t see this coming, you have no one to blame but yourself! In The Swamp in yesterday’s Baltimore Sun is another interview with Barack Obama as he “clarifies” his abortion stance – again – in terms of a woman’s “mental distress.” You don’t say – once again, “What Obama Really Meant” is the news du jour (and tip of the hat to BTF at TalkLeft.com). I can scarcely keep up. (Hmm – maybe that is his plan – keep changing his mind a gazillion times so that every single person will THINK he agrees with THEIR position. No doubt, they will be able to point to some time and place in which he said exactly what they believe.)
This time, in response to the reporter’s question regarding if mental distress should count in considering a late term abortion, WORM said this:
Obama: “My only point is this — historically I have been a strong believer in a women’s right to choose with her doctor, her pastor and her family. And it is ..I have consistently been saying that you have to have a health exception on many significant restrictions or bans on abortions including late-term abortions.
In the past there has been some fear on the part of people who, not only people who are anti-abortion, but people who may be in the middle, that that means that if a woman just doesn’t feel good then that is an exception. That’s never been the case.
I don’t think that is how it has been interpreted. My only point is that in an area like partial-birth abortion having a mental, having a health exception can be defined rigorously. It can be defined through physical health, It can be defined by serious clinical mental-health diseases. It is not just a matter of feeling blue. I don’t think that’s how pro-choice folks have interpreted it. I don’t think that’s how the courts have interpreted it and I think that’s important to emphasize and understand.”
Well, golly gee willikers – I don’t think that is a whole lot better, there Obama! Still waffling, still trying to appease all sides, and still acting like women: 1. should CARE what you thinks; and 2. like we need your patronizing permission on ANY of this, especially since YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR! Or a PASTOR! OR a WOMAN!! There are LAWS about this already, there, Skippy, and you don’t have to like them or agree with them, but they exist. There isn’t just “Roe,” there is also “Doe,” which deals directly with the whole “mental distress” provision.
Sheesh.
There are two very good posts on this I would like to commend to you, one by Ann Althouse, an attorney, and the other the author of Fausta’s Blog. They can both be accessed through This Link.
I wonder what flip-flops today will bring?? Oh, I can hardly WAIT!!!
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When he grows a uterus, I will give him permission to decide what’s right for me and other women. Till then, he once again shows his remarkable IGNORANCE when it comes to the gender he despises so much.
I think he ought to find out what it’s like to not “feel good”. “Periodically,” to use his verbage. I think he should learn what child birth feels like. I think he should shove an automatic umbrella up his ass and then press the button—and then come back and report to us.
Because if that arrogant sack of narcissistic crap could get pregnant, abortion wouldn’t be a problem, it would be a sacrament.
Uppity, barky is all things to all people. He’s a multi-sexual, multi-cultural messiah, he’s jing an yang.
One huge hopey changey cluster fuck.
Scott, a huge hopey changey cluster fuck? God, I love the English language.
He’s all things to all people and nothing to anybody.
Besides, WHO CARES what these candidates think? Roe Wade is NOT their domain. THey can do NOTHING about it one way or another. And it’s going NOWHERE.
I want to hear why it is that Obama thinks it’s ok to raise capital gains on middle class Americans’ 401ks, their retirement savings and their educational funds for their kids. That’s what I want to know. The thief wants to take a piece of middle America’s pie.
Well if he messes with my Soc Sec I will personally come up there and show him how to use that ‘automatic unbrella’….
Exactly the Middle Class is a target ready to be looted. Obama’s band of thieves from the Chicago School of Economics (Milton Friedman) — these are Obama’s economic advisers — and they helped loot and nearly eliminate the middle class in many South American countries.
There is vast wealth in this country that is OWNED by the tax payers — we and our parents and their parents paid for the land, bridges, roads, buildings etc etc — Federal, State and local assets — that could be “sold off” so that Fed, Stated and local governments could make money to run the government.
What happens is these assets of the people are “auctioned” off or sold to anyone who has the money — at prices way under the value of the property.
PRIVATIZATION — FREE MARKET — This is a religion to the Chicago school of economics boys. This is Obama real religion — he’s been in this privatization – free market binge for decades — thus his close relationship with Rezko (to HELL with the poor folk who were freezing in the privatized buildings).
Obama bakers probably sees the vast savings and pension of the baby boomers ready to retire — and they have plans — and all the money they are pouring into Obama’s campaign to them is a good investment — if their guy wins.
Yep — and we think bush/cheney are looters — they may be the B-team compared to the “advisers” of Obama.
Obama’s position is the same as Russ Feingold’s and more pro-choice than most Democrats.
But you prefer a candidate who has been anti-choice his whole life.
How can you claim that you care about women’s ability to control their bodies?
barky loves terrorist.
Pro-choice? Obama will say anything to get votes. He has not morals or standards.
Neither do people who defend him.
tell me does Obama pay you trolls by the comment or by the hour?
This refrain is extremely BORING.
Trolls get minimum wage and no benefits. Obama gets paid hugh amount of money plus retirement, health, etc. benefits as a Senator, and his campaign consultants are making millions.
But hey, the trolls are the little people.
they get paid in koolaide and nummies
LOL.
They don’t need much. They are busy taking money from their parents.
You want to know BORING? Boring is hearing you parse his words and try to tell us how much of a supporter he has been of women’s rights when his votes have been “present.” It doesn’t take ANY guts to say, “hey, I’m here.” Tell me up or down, yes or no. By trying to be all things to all people, as Uppity said, he is nada to nobody. And that isn’t any comfort. I want a candidate who isn’t afraid of taking a position. Not one who takes one and then disowns it when it’s not convenient … except that anyone who doesn’t vote for him is an ignorant racist. That is the only thing about which he is consistent.
You want to know BORING? Boring is hearing you parse his words and try to tell us how much of a supporter he has been of women’s rights when his votes have been “present.” It doesn’t take ANY guts to say, “hey, I’m here.” Tell me up or down, yes or no. By trying to be all things to all people, as Uppity said, he is nada to nobody. And that isn’t any comfort. I want a candidate who isn’t afraid of taking a position. Not one who takes one and then disowns it when it’s not convenient … except that anyone who doesn’t vote for him is an ignorant racist. That is the only thing about which he is consistent.
WHO. CARES?
Presidents don’t make these choices. Pure and simple. It is not for the executive branch to keep babbling about it. And Roe v Wade is going NOWHERE. And women are sick and tired of the Democratic party using it as a blackmail tool when they cannot do a THING about it and wouldn’t if they COULD, because then what would they use to keep women doing all their party grunt work for them.
Today, the DNC admitted it is having problems raising funds. Gee, I wonder WHY?
Good. Serves them freaking right. I hope that the down ticket candidates get pissed off but plenty since he has taken all of the finances into his hands.
They can’t raise funds because all of the DWJ (Democrats With Jobs) have DESERTED THEM.
They’re left with Koolaid drinking NIKES (No Income Kids with Educations), living in their parents’ basements.
That beer and pizza and pot allowance only goes so far…..
He loves Pakistan. And he especially loves Pakistani fund raisers. They set women on fire over there. What does he have to say about THAT when he takes those checks? You think I want this man to be my president?
Sorry Uppity, I was speaking to believer.
Go away troll! This is not a unity site, I’m sure if you troll around you can find one suited for you, try dumbass.com
I can “claim to care about women’s ability to control their bodies” because I do. Roe v Wade wasn’t about establishing “laws” for abortion but giving back control of their bodies to women.
A nurse, Margaret Sanger, one of the first advocates for women having access to birth control spent time in prison because of the Comstock Law of 1873, as did many other women in the movement, to give women equal rights to control their own bodies. The law was not overturned until 1938.
Roe v Wade upheld the women’s right of choice and all the work to overturn it is essentially trying to return the country to those Comstock Law “good old days” and Barack Obama’s “clarification” does nothing to change that fact. He should read the history of the women’s movement involving reproductive rights and a good place to start is with another strong women who just wouldn’t take NO for an answer and was willing to put her life on the line for it, Margaret Sanger.
I doubt Mr. Obama would have the courage to put his life on the line to bring back the Comstock Law on reproductive rights.
Well, “believe” this. At Project VoteSmart (www.votesmart.org), there are a grand total of FOUR significant votes dealing with ABORTION matters that came up during Obama’s Senate term.
On Senate Con Res 18 (from 2005, the “Uninteded Pregnancy Amendment”, SPONSORED BY HILLARY CLINTON), Obama voted Yes (the “good” way–the amendment was rejected).
On Sen Amdt 2707 and Sen Amdt 3330, both from 2007, Obama did NOT VOTE. And, this year, on Sen Amdt 3896, Obama did NOT VOTE again. Now, in fairness, all three of these votes came during the election campaigning period and Sen Clinton didn’t vote on these either. BUT, Sen Clinton took very strong stances on 3 previous abortion-related votes before Obama’s entry to the Senate–she voted to continue allowing women in the military to have access to legal abortions and she voted (twice) on measures which would continue allowing intact dilation and extraction. So, compared to Sen Clinton, Barack Obama hasn’t really shown himself to be a STRONG supporter of legal abortions.
LMAO…OMG…You are one damn fiesty woman-I like it! haha, I agree!
Can I just add in PPD which I have witnessed first hand, that does at times first begin to manifest itself during pregnancy; not just after. My sister had it so bad during the last couple months of her pregnancy she wouldn’t even go to the doctor. I had to force her to go. She didn’t even want to admit she was pregnant. Then when my neice was born she’d walk right past her when she was crying and would go to her older son. Pick him up and try to calm him down. It was like her second child didn’t even exist. I ended up caring for her till she was almost a year old then something snapped in her mind that she was indeed her child. I had to go to class one day after she was first born and the regular babysitter was sick. So I had no one else to watch the children. We didn’t fully understand PPD then, so I asked her to watch the children so I could go to class. I had a final. I was only going to be gone a couple hours. I was in taking my test when I got a call from CPS. She had taken my two children and her older child to the park and left the baby at home alone. They found her all alone after a neighbor called and said she’d been screaming for over an hour and wasn’t sure if something had happened to me. He couldn’t possibly understand what was going on in her mind. I am a women and I didn’t understand it. If I hadn’t been there who knows what could have happened both during and after her pregnancy.
Amen, Uppity!!
Can this guy BE any more patronizing?!? It is really staggering – does he not REALIZE people are writing this down, or videotaping it, or anything??
And absolutely sick to death of Roe V. Wade being used as a stick to get us in line. Really. Amazingly, after almost 8 yrs of Bush, it is STILL there. If ANYONE was going to get rid of it, it would have been him, not McCain. Though who knows -the way Barack is moving, HE might want to get rid of it! Just sayin’!
Oh, and NARAL continues to defend him on a very slim technicality. Sad.
I read some of the comments on the Althouse take on this and it was scary, mAlthouse indicates the physical issues should be limited too: Blogger Ann Althouse said in her blog linked above…
Comment by AA : Isn’t it obvious that the “serious physical issue” ought to have to do with body parts that are affected by the pregnancy?
11:26 PM
UHM NO ANN, good GAWD, OTHER BODY PARTS can lead to a life threatenting risk to the mother during the thrid trimester. Christ, what if she is hit in the head with a heavy object and needs surgery that will damage the baby? What if they find ut she has a brain tumor in the third trimester? I saw a HOUSE episode, they are more aware than you Ann and you are out there limiting women’s physical issue as well as trying to have the mental issue eliminated. GOOD GAWD.
Uhhbama also keeps belittling mental illness on top of his NEEDING TO SHUT UP ABOUT ABORTION LIMITS. JUST. SHUT. UP. BAWACK. Dont tell me about “the wrenching moral decision” faced by pro lifers that “pro choice people just dont understand” WHO THE FRAK ARE YOU?
I guess YOU arent ONE OF THOSE PRO CHOICE PEOPLE, since you aparently “GET IT” about abortion in a way, I, a mere WOMAN, don’t.
What happened to PARITY?? wasnt Teddy Kennedy gonna get us PARITY? Now every time we turn round Uhhbama is dissing the mentally ill. He says his ‘Uncle’ (the same guy who somehow liberated a camp from the Pacific, uh-huh,) was in the ‘attic for months’, belittles PTSD, and for the second time, imputes ‘moodiness’ to a woman with mental distress.
Having the ‘blues’ as a reason for late term abortion? Really Bawack? SHUT UP UNTIL YOU GET PREGNANT BAWACK. JUST. SHUT. UP.
grrrrrr
Exactly. What’s this nonsense about a woman’s right to choose with her doctor, her pastor, and her family? In that order? It’s a woman’s right to choose—period. He repeats this way too often for my comfort. Does he intend this to be a new standard for deciding whether to have an abortion or not?
My abortion was my decision. It didn’t screw me up or throw me into a depression, and I certainly didn’t consult with a pastor. (The doctor was helpful, though!) One of the pro-life movement’s goals has always been to make women feel guilty for having an abortion and to convince them that it will screw them up psychologically for the rest of their lives. Obama is adding to the guilt trip by suggesting that a woman cannot decide alone.
John McCain believes that Roe V Wade should be overturned. So stop with the wailing because you have already proven that you don’t give a damn about legal abortions. You support the man who will work to over turn all of them.
And for the morons who don’t believe that, here is the link to his own campaign site.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm
Mike S:
Several states have legal abortion on their books and others are prepared to do the same. In the slim to none liklihood that this ever happened, it would revert to the states. We aren’t taking the “beat them in the uterus” until they vote for him technique serious …. And you accuse the REPUBLICANS of using fear? You are a disgusting fearmonger if ever I saw one!
Go to hell Mikie — you don’t belong in this discussion — you are as stupid as your messiah.
Obama’s going to jail very soon.
Mike, at what point will it get through to you and the other Obama trolls that McCain is the first choice of very few if any people who comment here – nor second nor third nor fourth. We were backing the best choice, Hillary. That people are considering voting for McCain should tell you just how despicable they find Obama. You need to address that problem, not tell us things we already know about McCain.
Mike you do realize that if RvW is overturned, abortion would be a state to state rule.
BTW don’t you think if it could be overturned it would have been by Reagan, Bush 1 or Bush 2
Yes, it would be a state to state rule and a lot of states would ban it immediately. In fact, they have the legislation ready right now, to be put out there as soon as Roe goes. And then you’ll have lots of women who can’t afford to travel to other states to have abortions. They won’t be able to take the time off, to pay for hotel rooms and travel.
In other states, it will be a constant fight to keep abortion legal and safe. We’ll have to spend our time and money defending the right to choose in those states and sometimes we’ll lose that right or see it cut back.
Other states it will be legal. Great, but still the state legislatures could go Republican and then the right will be threatened. And that doesn’t help the other situations.
Likely result: Women dying of septic shock like they did before Roe, as the result of self-inflicted abortions.
We’ll then I suggest that these college kids that are fawning for barky take up that fight instead of taking RvW for granted.
Preserving Roe by electing a Democratic president is easier than turning abortion into 50 state fights.
Well, if we had a Democratic nominee, this would be true. But since we have a crazy extremist with a D next to his name, not so true.
Since when do PRESIDENTS have the all out POWER to choose the justices? A Democratic Senate can CHECK McCain easily.
It’s called ADVISE AND CONSENT.
If McCain keeps sending assholes for confirmation, it is the duty of the Democratic Senate to swat them down. And if they don’t swat them down, well, they’re assholes, now, aren’t they?
You don’t NEED nine on the court. We’ve done business before with fewer. Not having a full bench matters not at all.
Even Crazy Scalia has said that Roe is “settled law.”
That Roe drama is just red meat for fools. The right bites it, and so does the left.
Haven’t you noticed it’s already a 50 state fight? Just about every year states put anti abortion laws in the legislature and every year they are voted on. Missouri has even passed some which went before the Supreme Court and where overturned as unconstitutional. And, yes, it’s still legal but try finding a doctor who will do the procedure in your home town!
Or, for that matter, hunt for a non judgmental pharmacist who will fill your prescription for the morning after pill even if you’ve been raped. Roe v Wade has been gutted while we watched. There really isn’t much left for McCain or Obama to get rid of.
Well Make-believe, I live in a Blue State, with Primaries ( you know, how grown-up Democrats choose their leaders.) State rights don’t concern me at all. Now I agree with you, all those red states with caucuses? Could be a problem. HOWEVER- all those silly Obama girls should have thought of that before they stormed those red states caucuses with their intimidation and manipulation. Sometimes you reap what you sow. Let them organize and fight for themselves instead of an empty suit. They abandoned women’s issues remember? They had no kinship or stake in Hillary’s campaign remember? You reap what you sow.
believe are you a woman? If not, it’s not even your business.
“If not, it’s not even your business”????
Right, so my concern about any woman I know, ones I don’t know or my daughter mean nothing eh? I should have no concern for it?
Following your reasoning evidenced by that statement Uppity – then MLK and the civil rights movement should’ve turned away people not of color who marched… and LBJ shouldn’t have gotten involved and gotten things done as Hillary said.
Amazing…
Don’t punch me in the uterus to vote for your flawed candidate. It doesn’t work that way. And who is it who used the delightful phrase “punished with a baby?” There’s a real champion of a father, don’t you think?
And who is it who used the delightful phrase “punished with a baby?”
None other than Stanley’s little mistake. You know, the one who grew up to be a raging narcissist who hates older white women.
I don’t make decisions about your balls. Lay off my uterus.
Uppity, is anything being done about the asshole that’s been jacking other peoples names? I don’t care who the guy is that kind of thing is the ultimate in lowlife behavior.
If you see your name or somebody else’s name hijacked, just email SUsanunpc and she will take care of the jerk. We have to look out for each other. They do this to all of us every now and then. Once their IP is harnessed, they have to send another Stepford child in their place.
Oh and send the thread LINK and a copy of the message that’s a forgery.
Danke
You want women making decisions on what happens to your penis or gonads? How about we cut off your nuts, because we want to control your reproductive ability?
That work for you?
It ain’t YOUR business.
It’s a WOMAN’S right to choose. Not a man’s. When men develop uteri, they can make choices about what happens in theirs, too. Until then, they need to back away, STFU, and leave it up to the WOMAN.
And because Obama doesn’t get it, it should be reiterated that she doesn’t have to consult with her family, her pastor, or anyone. They don’t own that body part–SHE does.
I’ve posted this before; it bears repeating:
As many Hillary Clinton supporters continue to be vocal about their determination to not support Barack Obama and the DNC, the Party is increasingly resorting to Rovian fear tactics to undermine our resolve. Evoking the specter of back-room abortions is one such example.
Roe v. Wade is a Supreme Court decision that has withstood the administrations of Richard M. Nixon, Gerald H. Ford, Ronald W. Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. Pro-choice has remained the dominant position among American voters, regardless of Party affiliation.
A report published by The Center for American Progress in June of 2007 indicated that the majority of Americans continue to support abortion rights:
• 55% said that the choice of abortion should be left up to the woman and her physician;
• 60% stated the belief that the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision was a good thing;
• 62% stated that they opposed overturning Roe v. Wade.
The Center for American Progress concludes: “A solid wall of public opposition currently stands in the way of abortion rights opponents’ plans to turn back the clock and criminalize abortion as it was before 1973—a wall that is unlikely to come down anytime soon.”
I will continue to apply intellectual rigor and critical thinking to the range of important issues that our nation faces. I will not, however, choose ideology over integrity or place partisanship before principle. Furthermore, I will not succumb to fear-mongering strategies from any Party or candidate.
These Obama followers have already shown how little they respect women.
They further do not understand how legal abortion laws work.
Their scare tactics do not work for the informed.
That may be his belief, but what can he do about it? Absolutely nothing.
Presidents can not issue executive orders to declare a SUpreme Court decision overturned. the Supreme Court can not on its own motion declare a priro decision as overturned or sui sponte issue a new decision overturning a prior decision. These are legal and procedural impossibilities.
Roe v Wade has already been re-affirmed by the Supreme Court in Planned Parenthood v Casey. Note that the majority opinion was written by Sandra Day O’Connor and joined by Anthony Kennedy, both Republicans appointed by Reagan. Conservative justices historically are more beholden to stare decisis and strict construction of the constitution upholding individual rights (Kennedy wrote the opinion upholding the right of habeas corpus for enemy combatants) and less concerned of the political winds of popular opinion.
O’Connor’s not on the Court anymore and Kennedy said that women don’t understand the dangers of abortion so states can pursue further restrictions.
Take a look at the Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, and Alito and you’ll see VERY little concern for stare decisis.
That’s a notion they don’t care about terribly much. The days of Republican judges who had those concerns is GONE.
What part of Roe v Wade has already been confirmed and reinforced do you not understand. It. Is. Going. Nowhere.
BOBO’s change we can believe in includes the old old fringe politics of fear, rebranded.
The only thing I Fear as a woman is HIM in charge of America.
Oh I see, Thats why he fought VIGOROUSLY FOR Ginsburg’s appointment to SCOTUS. Listen you moron Rep’s have had a majority for over 9 yrs. Nothing has changed, Roe vs Wade is a done deal.
McCain didn’t fight vigorously for Ginsberg. Just not true. And as I said, the kind of judges picked by Republicans like O’Connor, Souter and even Kennedy, will NEVER be picked again.
I watched that fight on CSPAN, who should I beleive, you or my lyin eyes?
And who gave you a crystal ball that you already know the furure.
What an ass!
I would vote for a cockroach before I would vote for Barack Obama.
Hope this clears things up.
Mike S,
B-. Good try, but lacking in intellectual and moral integrity.
It is undeniable that McCain is anti-abortion rights. Obama’s recent shift in policy, which excises a woman’s psychological state from her overall health consideration, moves him towards McCain’s position, and away from the policies of NARAL and Planned Parenthood. Commentary in mainstream media, such as by the legal correspondent for ABCnews, and in law blogs, state this fact unequivocally. I have no reason to distrust their analysis.
If one selects a candidate based only on abortion rights, and given that Obama’s position is finally stable, then he would be the better choice.
This said, uncivil BOILS, like Mike S, who say those who disagree with them are fools, deserve the LANCE of public opinion. The juvenile logic of one who views the complexity of politics through the lens of one issue is transparent in his statement:
“So stop with the wailing because you have already proven that you don’t give a damn about legal abortions. You support the man who will work to over turn all of them.”
Those of us who care about abortion choice also care about a host of other issues. We are stuck with a Sophie’s choice, given only Obama and McCain. In other words, we are forced to choose from a set of bad choices. People must choose based on who they see as less bad.
A good percentage of people find the Obama campaign lacking in integrity. They see Obama as the evil of two lessers, rather than McCain, whom others see as that evil. Given the overall potential evil they see in these two, strong abortion rights advocates can morally justify choosing McCain, if he is better than Obama on a host of other issues of importance. Accordingly, the claim that to support McCain is to be against abortion rights is embarrassingly false.
Steven
P.S. Mike. It is difficult to overturn (undo) an abortion, but one can overturn abortion rights.
Rolling my eyes here. Never come here on behalf of Obama and mention integrity. He has NONE.
His candidacy is disturbing on many levels.
At least we get the slight satisfaction of watching his campaign trying to forage in the fields they scorched where Hillary’s supporters once grew.
RvW have been in existence for 34 years, 20 of which has been during Republican rule…why do you think it’s going anywhere in 2008? Please, get a clue.
zzzzzzzzzz….
Give it a rest. It’s not going to work.
Ronald Reagan was going to “ban abortions.” So was the first GW Bush. For four years we had an Evangelical Republican President with a GOP House, Senate and SCOTUS– and abortion rights weren’t changed.
So please- just shut up. Again, it’s not going to work.
Hillary or McCain ‘08
LIE, LIE EVERYWHERE A LIE, blocking up the scenery breaking my mind. la la la,,
he believes IT IS A STATES RIGHTS MATTER
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this TRUTH brought to you by a PUMA DEM FOR MCCAIN
Obama has a lifetime rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood of 100%. McCain’s is ZERO.
That’s a huge difference!
This is not the only issue we are concerned with! barky may pass your naral test be he fails all my other tests.
Obama is a liar.
What are you really worried about? McCain is only one person and can’t dictate his desires by will, it has to be approved by the Dem held US congress.
What you are really worried is that the spineless group of Dem party fuck ups (known as congress people) can’t even keep a war criminal like Dubya and his 27% approval rating in line, let alone someone like McCain who will probably have a 55% approval rating going into the WH in 2009.
Not. Relevent. What part of this do you not understand? Roe v. Wade is a DONE DEAL.
NARAL is a fool. Their membership rose up against them. The only organization having a more difficult time raising money than Democrats is NARAL.
I hope whatever Obama promised them for their support balances out the loss of membership donations.
It’s moot.
You just don’t get it do you? We aren’t falling for this shit any longer and we are not going to support the biggest misogynist to ever run for president in our lifetimes.
It became MOOT to me last January when I heard those silly Obama Girl wanna-bes on TV saying
women’s issues are old news and weren’t relevant in their lives- it’s their mother’s and grandmother’s issue. They had no kinship to Hillary, no alliance. It was all about
the empty suit. Well, now it’s their turn. Let them work to gain back their rights as hard as they worked for Nobama. Because for sure his misogynist campaign set woman back half a century!
Lifetime rating on HALF a term.
When he had a chance to vote in the STATE legislature, he voted all right.
PRESENT.
Wuss.
BWAAHAAA
NARAL!!!!
BWAAHAAAAA
To tell you the truth, I don`t think men should even have a vote on this subject.
I’d bet the farm that men wouldn’t support a law, much less allow women equal say on how that law should be written, on whether they should be forced to get a vasectemy in order to prevent unwanted pregnancies!
OUCH!!
ha, ain’t that the truth!! That’s why abortions will never be illegal. Besides there are plenty of ways to prevent pregnancy and there is even a morning after pill.
AMEN!!!!!! It has always amazed me to watch a bunch of guys talk about how I should handle my uterus.
they won’t overturn it, there would be too many men having to pay child support and we all know how much they like to pay that!
Double Ouch!!
We need to pass some nice new women-initiated laws about “gelding”–that’ll make ‘em sit up and grab their crotches like Michael Jackson!
I’m sure that the female majority in this country might be persuaded to enact some DEBALLING laws for guys who fuck around too much and don’t pay up for the babies they make, fuck around and willfully transmit communicable diseases, prance around raping people, that sort of thing.
Let’s get out the BIG knife and remove that unsocial “instrument,” why don’t we? It’s rather like taking a fork away from a toddler sitting near the electrical outlet…something for their OWN SAFETY, after all. These fool lads who cannot use that penis responsibly just don’t know any better–the ladies know best, let’s eliminate that dangerous implement!
After all, it’ll “make for a better society,” won’t it?
IIRC Bobby Jindall R LA signed a chemical castration for child rapists law into effect after the SCOTUS took down the death penalty on child rapists the other day…..
I can go with that, I have NO desire to tell you what to do.
That’s big of you.
So many men have an opinion on this issue, well if they are against abortion, then f***ing stay around and help raise the kid. Men are like dogs sometimes. Get a girl pregnant and then desert her and the kid. bo’s father for example. Man up or mind your own business.
As the great Katha Pollitt explains:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080707/pollitt
Thanks for putting that up, I’ll add a letter with my contribution to his campaign on how I feel on the subject.
barky/wright 08
come for the preening
stay for the prancing
McCain has a lifetime anti-choice view, as Obama has a lifetime pro-choice view.
If you write McCain and ask him to become pro-choice, they’ll chuckle – and then cash your check.
As long as he is chuckling in the White House and barky is in the big house.
And women’s reproductive rights will be increasingly threatened.
Cut the crap! With that pig as president, the least of a woman’s worries will be Roe V Wade. The man is a sexist pig. He has already set back gender relations thirty years just BREATHING.
When a president is a sexist misogynist sack of crap his attitude rolls downhill into the home and into the workplace. So spare us your horseshit. We are onto all of this.
Uppity, it’s really you. Yesterday a faker was you.
Yes it’s really me.
You can always tell what I would and wouldn’t say so they really waste their time, don’t they?
Yes the name thieves are wasting their time.
With the first false Uppity post — someone challenged it as not being the real Uppity.
It is his followers who reconfirm my decision to NEVER EVER vote for Obama.
So obamabutts keep up the good work!
“a lifetime pro-choice view?” You can see that from six “present” votes? You’re reaching there now bub. Don’t let that get out to the evangelicals whose asses he is busy planting big sweet kisses on!
The women of the Democratic party will no longer be chained by roe v. wade. We are free to choose a candidate that favors our overall well being.
It’s not too late to change your mind about Waffles. Hillary is more than able to do the job!
guess the Dem Girls Gone Wild better take care then huh?
I am not worried about BIG MAC, he is for states rights
being a Senator for AZ is very different from appointing SCOTUS justices and he has said he will not have a litmus test, I was on the conference call John had with Clinton supporters and I am feelin fine with BIG MAC :0)
since ever Scalia says it is stare decisis, it is a NON ISSUE in any event, but you keep focusing all your hopey and changey dreams for Uhhbama on this one issue…
either way Im for the Old Man
BIG MAC IS BACK
GREEN RAIN FOR MCCAIN
HILLARY OR MCCAIN BOOYAH!!!
Good site for many of Obama`s flip-flops.
http://patterico.com/2008/07/07/your-assignment-compile-obamas-flip-flops/
Every time he has a problem speaking and goes, Uhh, Uhh…, Obama just had a brain fart.
Yet Obama is known for being so much better a speaker than McCain that there are multiple articles with Republicans worrying about McCain’s poor rhetorical skills.
Personally, I don’t think excellence in speaking skills is the most important thing — policies are far more important — but if that matters to you, well, McCain is certainly not a better speaker.
I do not care if my surgeon has a great bedside manner.
When he stutters and goes uhh uhh he is trying to think of a lie..that’s every second!
No abortions .I think no food no fuel and no new taxes trumps abortion in this case.
Sheesh- he lives with Michele and she never looks like she feels good so Obama must think that’s normal and thus the weird view point. He just DOES NOT speak for most people. Why can’t the bots ‘hear’ that??
Mike S – possibly, but the point is with Obama, you really don’t know what you’re going to get do you? Obama simply cannot come out and say where he stands on any issue. Obama plays on both teams, on both sides of the fence, on the fence, on the right, on the left on the middle of the road.
You just don’t know what that jackass Obama beleives.
He has a 100% lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL. He has a long track record of being pro-choice.
McCain has a long track record of opposing abortion rights and reproductive rights. His lifetime rating is ZERO.
You most certainly know what you’re getting on this issue. The contrast in their track records could not be more clear.
But Planned Parenthood is a racist organization.
I didn’t realize that. Thanks.
You find it very amusing to hijack my name, I see.
Six “Present” votes? Don’t you think that’s stretching it? Obama is only for anything that is good for him.
I find it very amusing that no matter how hard you try you cannot convince anyone to vote for Obama.
However, you did convince me to make a donation to John McCain.
If men gor pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.
You are a fool. McCain has made it plain that he will overturn Roe. That he is against equal pay and is on the wrong side of womens issues.
But vote for him anyway if it makes you feel better. And when he does what he says he will do you can whine all you want but won’t be heard because yoiu brought it on yourself.
Just like the Nader voters did.
You sound angry.
Mike should be angry, you faux “believe.”
Stop hijacking my name.
Your name is no good here.
he knocked up his gf ands she wouldn’t be ordered by him to get an abortion so now he is stuck with child support payments
Enlighten us on how John McCain can overturn Roe v Wade. You can’t because he can’t.
When the next pro-choice Justice resigns, he will replace her or him with an anti-choice Justice.
But you must know that, right?
that still does not mean Roe can be overturned, justices can not on their own volition write opinions overturning cases, you know that, right?
Yep. But the Federalist Society will screen the judges and they will pick one who has said Roe was wrongly decided. With their cry of “No More Souters,” they will make sure that the next Justice is firmly anti-Roe.
it doesn’t matter what their personal opinion is, Roe is the law of the land and has been re-affirmed. Nine justices on the Suprmem Court all endorsed by the Federalist Society can not wake up one morning and decide today is the day they overturn Roe. That is a legal impossibility.
The Roberts court has already overturned some pretty major precedents. It’s wishful thinking to assert what they will or won’t do.
Citations, please, otherwise you’re blowing smoke.
ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT A WOMAN????????
And a majority Democratic Senate will roll over and wait for their tummy scratch if that is the case?
How stupid are you, really? Did you sleep through ADVISE and CONSENT in your history class?
When McCain’s candidates keep getting smacked back, he’ll COMPROMISE….”as they do.”
Good grief. The stupidity here with the paid trolls is nothing short of astounding. I see that Team Obama is getting what it paid for….
Gee. But there has to be a case. There has to be the decision to hear it and the Court has to stray from stare dececis, which is how they are currently deciding law that is sitting on the books for what? more than 30 years.
WE AREN’T BUYING your fear mongering. I am more frightened of Oblowme and his terrorist anti US friends than I am a theoretical right. Obama is WRONG for America.
God you people are dumb. Judges have to be confirmed. The potus does not pick them. With a dem majority in the senate, no deal.
And a Dem house and Senate, it just won’t fly! Tell me beleive why do you waste your time? Have you yet convinced ANYONE HERE to support your Obamanation?….. Yeah thought so!
The House has nothing to do with Supreme Court nominations. It’s only the Senate that votes on them.
And how can you be so sure after they voted for Roberts and Alito? There are lots of Democratic Senators who believe that the president has the right to name who he wants on the court, plenty of them who come from conservative states, and they’ll put another anti-Roe justice on, although it will certainly be one who claims interest in following precedent (and then won’t).
Great, so you need BOBO to protect the democrats from themselves. That’s not a good enough reason to leave my brain at the door and vote for the new messiah.
Roberts was confirmed in 2005. “They” didn’t vote for those guys–because “they” weren’t a Democratic majority back then. There were no “Fighting Dems” warming the seats in the Senate.
The CHAIR of the Judiciary Committee was Specter, a Republican. That’s because the GOP were in CONTROL of the Senate. All those GOP Senators who have QUIT in the past few years were still on the job, back then. And voting to confirm, too.
Feingold, Leahy and Kohl voted on the Judiciary Committee with the GOP FOR Roberts. Last time I checked, they were so-called “liberal” Democrats.
If you can’t count on “liberal” Democrats to respect women, we’re screwed anyway. So playing the “dire result” card won’t cut it–we’ve survived eight years of Nutso Bush and his GOP Congress, we may as well make a Republican clean up his mess, goaded by a Democratic Congress.
Everyone knows McCain will do a good job as President. WHY? Because he hasn’t forgotten how Bush fucked him in Carolina, and he’ll take his revenge by showing the guy up. If that means he has to work with a Democratic Congress, he’ll do it. He’s not stupid.
With age and EXPERIENCE comes wisdom.
He can’t, you dumbo. The president (as if that’ll ever happen) has no such right. They don’t teach government in schools anymore, do they?
Ok I will say this slowly, because I do know that every time I talk to a stupid person, an angel gets his wings:
Roe v. Wade is a done deal. Confirmed and reconfirmed. Going nowhere.
Presidents can’t make Roe v wade decisions. Barack Obama is blowing it out of an orifice. Again.
If Barky Obama were president, Roe v Wade would be the least of Women’s worries. The man is a sexist pig and a misogyinist. He hates women. Frankly, I cannot even imagine any self-respecting woman voting for him.
When a candidate makes the back of my head get eerie chills when he talks, I know whatever I am going to get from him is not good.
Obama is on a first name basis with Mr. Weiser:
Sounds like Obama and ‘ol Bud are very, very good friends, indeed!
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That would be Budz
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you know the other kind
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Translation: I want Obama So Bad! He makes me tingle!
blah,blah,blah—just words lol…your gobblygook is exactly what comes out of Bamba’s mouth…NOBAMA!
So are you the one using my screen name these days? Frankly, I don’t care. It demonstrates a lot about your powers of discourse.
I am the real believe and I do not appreciate you tactics.
frankly I don’t know who to believe
LOL my head hurts.
I am with Mccain on abortion.I am a women and I know I have a choice about my body…Every women has the right to choice.But when you talk about women bodies right how about the right of unborn child??Who protects them…I knew someone who had an abortion 15times..im not kidding..Im serious.She has multiple affair and got pregnant and she afraid that her husband will get to know about the pregnancy so she decided to go for an abortion each time…Her husband served in the military and out for months and months…15times in 6 years…So,Im asking whose right should we protect now??
Did you support Hillary Clinton? Because she’s strongly pro-choice just like Obama.
believed it or not..I support Clinton and mccain.I am Mccain supporter and I was donating to Clinton.And Clinton make a hell of a women President than Obama would make…….
Tell me..what is the change that Obama speaks about??/Until now I dont see the plan….
All I know is, after watching this lazy, arrogant, sponging-off-their-parents Gen Y, if I were that age and sexually active with the possibility of bringing their spawns into this world, I would make them wear three condoms and duct tape.
Give me a break.
McCain is just a better man than Obama is. Obama was against the McCain surge that is saving lives as we talk wich proves Obama has no judgement to be senator even less to be president. The elitist dems like Pelosi and dean with Obama were ready to let young kids get blown up in Iraq for political gain in 08.Thank god for McCains plan to at least lower the violence dramatically. That’s what judgement is. Obama has none. I was against the war from the very beginning but I also wasn’t in the senete and did not see the inteligence on Saddam Hussein. It is true that he had his neigbors living with gas masks. Hillary is the one with the right judgement to send Saddam a strong message to let the inspectors finish their jobs but Bush the criminal kicked them out before their work was completed.Obama does not have the judgement to be president.
OK, so you think that it’s a good idea to keep the war going. Thanks for clarifying! Yes, McCain is the right candidate for you. Let’s keep troops there a long, long time.
Obama thinks it’s a good idea to keep the war going, too….follow along, there, sucker!
He’s got you by the nose, we see.
Check out his position on FISA, too, while you’re at it…and NAFTA…
He’s Johnny with a tan, your Obambi is!!
So the choice is between an asshole with NO experience, and one with…
Sorry, pal. Some foolish NIKE isn’t going to sway me to vote for the asshole with NO EXPERIENCE. Just because he “looks cool.”
That’s how people got conned into buying YUGOs.
Believe prefers to threaten the “bitches” with babies!
Last Nov, Maliki was before the UN Security Council to ensure that the UN resolution authorizing coalition forces in Iraq expires in Nov 2008. That means in Nov 2008, the foreign occupation of Iraq officially ends and Iraq gains full sovereignty over its soil. In this morning’s news, widely reported, the US and Iraq are close to finalizing negotiations of a joint security agreement that puts remaining coalition forces in Iraq under supreme command of the Iraqi military after the occupation officially ends and also sets forth the (for good reason undisclosed) timetable for withdrawal of all foreign troops.
It is a good idea to win the war not keep it going. Obama will change his position by constantly pulling in and out that it will never end.
You actually believe Obama wants to end that war before he reverses the direction of the fire and redefines who the Enemy is? Really?
And the knife ran away with the spoon.
In BOBO’s case, the moon ran away with the spoon
This man is a fucking asshole.
historically I have been a strong believer in a women’s right to choose with her doctor, her pastor and her family.
This is NOT something that is “put to a vote.” Except in Obama-land, where he likes to denigrate and make fun of women at EVERY opportunity.
When he develops the ability to go into labor, he can comment on this matter. Until that happens, he needs to shut his ignorant mouth.
When he’s not pandering, he’s insulting. When he’s not insulting, he’s ridiculing. When he’s not ridiculing, he’s making a fucking ass of himself.
Par for the course. It’s what he does.
Have faith in Obama.
Faith is a hopelessly worthless concept.
I do have faith in him, that he’s a fucking asshole.
I have as much faith in Obama as I do in that so-called church he attended for 20 years.
Faith doesn’t pay the bills. Faith in a man is a ludicrous concept. He’s just a man. I am a techie. I live by facts not faith. If Faith wrote real time radar software, we would all be speaking chinese right now.
I see no reason to have any faith in him. I don’t even know who and what he is except what HE tells me. I do not trust him with my life. I do not trust him with my country. And I don’t want my leader to run on faith. I want him to run on good sense, integrity and experience, decisiveness and wisdom. These are things I do not see in barack obama.
I guess that leaves orphans and atheists out.
And those like me, without health insurance.
It’s a pity his mother didn’t share his views on this subject back in 61. All of this would be academic and he would be just another piece of garbage in a landfill.
Just to go off topic briefly, I think it was CNN having a poll as to the type of dog the Obama’s should get for the Whitehouse. I would vote for the Chinese Crested, it would definitely make Michelle Obama look a bit more acceptable. (If you don’t know what a Chinese Crested looks like, just Google “The Ugliest Dog competition”
applause sign
If BO is so “pro-woman” why does he pay his female staffers less for the same work?
riddle me that troll
Uppity planks a kiss on Kevin.
I’m not sure what planking is but I’m game Uppity.
Obama is the prettiest candidate this country ever had.
Why did Obama vote against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml
now I know you’re crazy
“One huge hopey changey cluster fuck”.
Scott in Jupiter, you sir, are a genius! That is the most clear and concise descriptor of Obama that I have read or heard. It deserves it’s own t-shirt.
I am 100% in support of abortion. I am an independent man and I think that what women encounter and the choices they make as a result are not for me to decide.
I will only say this to believe. Roe vs. Wade will not be overturned. Ever.
To make abortions illegal would be the END of the political party that brought it about. Abortion is a red herring. It is red meat to the far left and far right but that is a small fraction of the USA.
The very first scared 16 year old girl to be charged with murder for abortion would bring about a hue and cry that this country would not tolerate. Thinking people know this. Politicians know this. Believe does not know this. But hey, isn’t much better to just use scare tactics…
Wow, that was great. Never thought about it that way. But I do remember a story that my mom told me about being an ER nurse in the days before RoeWade. She would get all these church going “respectable” well to do young girls in the ER, they were the ones that would attempt to give themselves abortions with things like knitting needles, and bleach/ammonia douches etc. It is the conservatives who suffered more under an abortion ban. Liberals knew enough to use birth control.
My friend is a retired doctor — and the dying women in the ER she had as patients were ALL religious ding a lings (hyper conservatives) who tried self abortion or went to a back street abortionist. Her experience with death and abortion happened decades ago — but her ANGER at being a witness to the stupidity is still fresh. Not the stupidity of the women — but the stupidity of their husbands and fathers — some of whom denied the “bad” women the medical care that would have saved their lives.
This subject should not even be up for debate — and it isn’t really — abortion is being used as a carrot to get women to fall in line and be obedient to Obama.
I believe that the reason Obama told Clinton that HER voters would follow HIM is because he believed that all he had to do is say the magic word — ABORTION — and we all would fall to our knees.
SORRY — but the Reid democrats allowed Roberts and Alito on the Supreme Court — the magic word — Abortion is just another meaningless word by meaningless politicians.
Go to hell you cult followers of Obama.
Obama belongs in jail!
Hillary or McCain — there is NO OTHER CHOICE.
PUMA.
The war is and any one with a plan to stop the killing is the one that has the better judgement, facts are facts. Obama playing politics with the war is just as sick as Bush starting it. Obushama has no judgement McCain had the right call to save lives.
Here, he says the mental health exception is bad
Now, I don’t think that “mental distress” qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.
Of course, last summer
he said otherwise.
[H]e told a Planned Parenthood audience last July he would make a top priority as president (here’s a transcript and a video, Obama says “the first thing I’d do as president is, is sign the Freedom of Choice Act.”
Then, having shocked his left wing base with that flip,
he flipped back.
Reporter: You said that mental distress shouldn’t be a reason for late-term abortion?
Obama: “My only point is this — historically I have been a strong believer in a women’s right to choose with her doctor, her pastor and her family. And it is ..I have consistently been saying that you have to have a health exception on many significant restrictions or bans on abortions including late-term abortions.
In the past there has been some fear on the part of people who, not only people who are anti-abortion, but people who may be in the middle, that that means that if a woman just doesn’t feel good then that is an exception. That’s never been the case.
I don’t think that is how it has been interpreted. My only point is that in an area like partial-birth abortion having a mental, having a health exception can be defined rigorously. It can be defined through physical health, It can be defined by serious clinical mental-health diseases. It is not just a matter of feeling blue. I don’t think that’s how pro-choice folks have interpreted it. I don’t think that’s how the courts have interpreted it and I think that’s important to emphasize and understand.”
I repeat that a mental health exception to a ban makes the ban useless.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have had a Pakistani honor killing in Georgia. A father killed his 25 year old daughter who could not lived in her Arranged Marriage.
Pakistan. Obama’s kinda place. Pakistan. Where duel citizens hold ritzy fund raisers in San Francisco for Obama–and where he gets to talk about “bitter hicks with guns”.
So tell me, Barky. What do you think of Honor Killings? How come you haven’t mentioned them, Mr. I Care? What about your refusal to join the call for a boycott of the Games in China. Could it be that the Games in Chicago in 2016 is more important to you than death and suffering? I know what Hillary would say. And You?
:::Crickets:::
You’re far too busy deciding who can and can’t have an abortion.
Probably about as much as he is concerned about female circumcision.
And McCain? What does he say? He is Obama’s opponent now. One of those two will be the next president.
Maybe he BELIEVES in immaculate conception.
Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban have announced the birth of their daughter, Sunday Rose Kidman Urban, who arrived on Monday morning in Nashville, weighing 6lbs 7.5oz.
…? If I cared about tripe like this I’d be an Opray viewer and an Obama supporter.
Yeah, I don’t care either.
Then why do you bring it up?
I am a little tipsy.
LOL drunks for BOBO. That sure explains a few things.
I feel you are my soul mate.
the booze can cause those feelings
What’s the official beer of Hussein Obama? Old English 40oz or Steel Reserve 40oz?
BOBO’s a colt 45 drinker and shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarp dresser!
Keep in touch with yourself.
sounds more like you’re plastered.
I didn’t bring it up. It was the faux-believe.
BTW, how do you like McCain’s faux deficit reduction proposal?
I think BOBO will adopt it before long.
It beats having Obama take a “piece of my pie” which I worked all my life for, and handing it to some lazy ass.
How do you like Obama’s 850 BILLION dollar Senate bill for Africa? You think that will reduce our deficit? Of course, he won’t be doing much about subprime lenders and charge card companies since half of his top contributors are in that category. Not to mention a subprime lender of a FAILED bank that stuck it to it’s customers is his National Finance Chair. Ah Chicago. The “new way” Obama plans to run DC.
As Archie Bunker would say….Whoopy..DOO.
I’m announcing who gives a rat’s ass.
geez, who cares?
How can you BELEIVE a liar like Obama unless your getting minimum pay to work for him especially if your a women.
I know what he’s done and why he got that 100% lifetime rating from NARAL and Planned Parenthood – and why McCain earned ZEROES from the same groups.
They have track records.
How do you know Obama so well, have you been sitting next to him in church the past 20 years?
NARAL, formerly know as NARAL Pro Choice America, has an equal number of men and women on the Board of Directors. Consider the NAACP with a half white Board. Can you get that picture in your head? It was founded by women for women, but a some point in the past, around 2003, it’s name was sanitized and purpose corrupted to become a political arm of the DNC. Your posts are sactimonious and I don’t “believe” you are a woman. But, just in case you need a clearer picture, Roe is no longer effective as a tool or scare tactic to bring women to the polls and I “believe” this is finally sinking in at the DNC.
Tell me, anyone up for a McCain/Hillary ticket? If anyone has the balls to reach outin this manner, It is John.
And don’t think that it is impossible, they genuinely like each other.
YES!!!!!!!!!!
If anything is impossible in politics, this is. Clinton endorsed Obama and has urged everyone to vote for him. And McCain is a Republican and most Republicans hate Hillary.
The beautiful thing about freedom is you are free to do as you please.
You’re not free to have a safe, legal abortion if it’s ILLEGAL.
Sure you are. It’s called road trip.
The estranged wife of Yankees star Alex Rodriguez filed for divorce Monday morning in Miami blaming their busted marriage on his “long period of infidelity.”
Hey, faux believe. Having fun yet?
Lots of women CAN’T do that. They would have to arrange for days off from work or time away from school or childcare and they can’t afford costs for travel and for staying over.
Also, what about the women who don’t want to tell others about it or who have an abusive husband or partner who would beat them if they had an abortion? Women like that can still get them if they’re close by but couldn’t if they had to travel.
This is already a problem for rural women and women in states with few abortion clinics but it would be far worse if Roe were abolished.
I’m sure they can count on you BOBOweeenies to send them a contribution of twenty dollars or less. LOL or does only BOBO rank contributions from you?
What are you, a slow learner? Roe v. Wade has been reinforced. It is going nowhere. I am far more worried about Barack I Hate Women Obama than I am about the supreme court.
That is an empty and stupid threat, Believe. The world has moved on and the light shines through on how little this means to women. It would be a character building experience for the young women who support Obama to fight for their own rights.
unless you are a post democratic neo-liberal like Obama and his cult worshippers
People who support Obama are not part of a cult and it’s absurd to keep saying that. Can’t you folks discuss policy?
By the way, what do you think of McCain’s health care policy?
At least Mccain has one and will stick to it. Barky sorta’ has one but he may ‘refine’ it as the election gets closer.
It is a good one since it means that the self employed and small family business entrepreneurs that are unable to participate in employer group plans will finally be able to afford health insurance through tax credits and increased competition among insurance providers to drive costs down. Not everyone in the country works for a big employer, and those rely on their own abilities to earn a living are those without affordable health care. So bravo John McCain.
i have been discussing policy specifics and you have been spouting out unsubstantiated innuendo and conjecture.
another issue to discuss, what do you think of Obama’s policy to defund NASA?
another issue to discuss, what do you think of 300 economists endorsing McCain’s economic policy as reported today?
This sounds like a description of Obamadots to me.
Cults and
RESULTS OF THIS ABUSE
PERSONALITY CHANGES
Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person. From a warm, loving personality will come heaped abuse, rejection and feelings of hate. The cult member sees himself as “righteous” in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders.
LOSS OF IDENTITY
They cannot see themselves as individuals apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their former life.
PARANOID – WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED
Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as “persecution”. Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the “enlightened” one -not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time they will feel free to criticise whatever you believe, say and do because they are “the only ones who are right”.
SOCIAL DISORIENTATION
They lose their ability to socialize outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave.
Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders eyes. They become very naive about life in general.
Yep that is a description of Obamabutts — or the Jim Jones followers.
WRONG!!!!ALL the republican females in my family (I’m the lone liberal Democrat) were going to vote for Hillary, a couple actually changed parties to do so. I’m guessing they could have nudged their spouses to vote for Hill over Mccain. And now the republicans actually have a favourable view of Hillary because of the way she fought. You again prove you don’t know diddly squat. The one thing we all can agree on is No Barky No Way No How.
I agree!! All of my women Republican friends were looking FORWARD to voting for Hillary.
Hillary would have won by a landslide.
There is no way in hell that any of these Republican women would EVER consider voting for Obama.
So Obama is going to lose by a landslide — he loses the PUMA voters plus the Republican PUMA voters.
Repub’s are only 23% who the f#$k cares, the plurality is the Indies, 44%! That plus Dem and it’s over!
That would be cool. I like it.
Off topic Jim Webb said he has no interest in being VP who does? I think Bill Richardson is the only I know of.
And did you hear Obama Airplane door may have been tampered with. FAA has said they think it was an accident they are investigating.
Jim Webb is a smart guy.
Dumb fucks. The FAA, NTSB and FBI together couldn’t find a bleeding polar bear in the snow.
If you want the job done RIGHT, put the Candidate in a KingAir and get the boys who croaked Wellstone on the case…
Hitler Rally; Delegate Hostages & Almost JFK Speech
On August 28, 2008, the delegates and super delegates of the Democrat Party will be in attendance at the Pepsi Center in Denver where they will cast their votes to select their party’s candidate for President. Over the shoulder of those delegates will be 76,000 gangsters ready to RIOT, if the unqualified one is not the nominee.
To assure that he receives the Democrat nomination, Barack Obama is going to have 76,000 gangsters at Invesco Field, the Denver football stadium, where they will be close enough to hold hostage the delegates attending the Democrat National Convention. Using the many strong arm tactics of his New Chicago form of politics, including fear, Obama is forcing his way into the White House.
read rest here: http://countusout.wordpress.com/
It’s strong arm politics to have a lot of people at a rally?
Who knew?
somebody had to do the heavy lifting for all those BOBOweenies.
NO KIDDING!!! At my caucus, WC, the Obamabots all left before tallying up their delegates, we Hillary delegates had to count them. I am not shitting you. Lazy little wankers.
Hitler knew
Saddam Knew
Mussolini Knew
the Kremlin knew
Mao knew
You didn’t. Turd
That’s not how they kept power.
First they were the messiah. Their little debil came out later.
Diss Believe,
Is it a strong arm tactic to remove the name of the cantidate with the majority of popular vote from the ballot?
Obama thinks we should have pulled out of Iraq early.
I wish his father would have pulled out early and then we wouldn`t be in this mess !!
What a card.
BTW, most Americans want us out of Iraq and think the war was a mistake.
LOL BOBO isn’t pulling us out of Iraq
I know Hamas wants us out. And Hamas loves Barky.
Barack Obama has no intention of ending the war. He just wants to redefine who the Enemy is. Barack Obama will stand with woman-burning theology-driven Muslims in the middle east.
You don’t fix a mistake by making a bigger one!
Israel. Boom! Says Barky.
The only democracy in the middle east. But then Barky isn’t into that kind of government is he now?
Obama willing to bomb Pakistan with or without approval from Pakistan government.
ttp://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0132206420070801
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great, that and a few bong hit should keep you busy for hours.
If you want to make a statement for Hillary that says No-Obama go to this link and vote every week. New Poll begins every Friday.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/straw-poll/
If we could get this number up in the millions on a weekly basis for the next 4 weeks I think it will stir a few pots. Let’s at least try.
Why would anyone care? Straw polls have been proved unreliable for many, many decades. See Literary Digest poll of 1936.
I want Barky to just Be With Me. Do you think I have a chance?
So are exit polls. But you believe them.
Typical Obama exit poll question:
Was it good for you too?
LOL
I don’t “believe” them, but I do know about how different polls are done and the reasons why some are more valid than others.
I took Math in High School you know. That’s how polls are done.
Bye, now. Dinner time.
I took Stats in college and I know polls can be skewed to reflect a desired outcome.
It’s clear how absurd that poll is if you look at the map and EVERY state supports McCain.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/ works with data from real polls.
Could we PLEASE stop letting the Obama-trolls control the conversation?
If we don’t feed them they’ll forage for food elsewhere.
I love this site but too many threads are taken over by the trolls and everyone knows who they are.
I got my screen name from an R. kelly song ‘I Believe I’m a Fly’
I bet the kids you went to schools with really thought you were hysterical.
I’ll drink to that.
It is said that one attracts more flies with honey than with vinegar, but to breed them, nothing works better than a steaming pile of bullshit.
This is my pledge: I promise I will not respond to Believe or UK ever again and may God strike me with lightening if I fail to fulfill this promise.
Elise
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
A truly pathetic lead
If McCain has 43% and 27% of 18 million(Hilly’s peeps) vote him Bambam ai’nt gonna get it.
Sounds like something someone from Harvard would say- totally gobbledigoop- likes to sound intelligent but completely OUT OF TOUCH. But then what can you expect from a flip flopping left wing liberal now trying to court the right wing evangelicals. Reverend God Damn America Wright must be giving him some advice His goal is to sound so fricking confusing no one even understands his position on this issue. He is clever but down right wrong for America.
Harvard Law Review editor and never wrote an article.
I didn’t know that. Thats hilarious and says a lot about the Harvard Law Review. What an embarrassment to the college and what an insult to those students who really did write significant pieces. “YES I CAN” must have started in childhood.
And they bent the rules. Did not consider his grade average, which is still a mystery.
He is the only editor of the HLR to have never authored an article. The year he was editor also has the lowest number of citations to HLR articles from court decisions and other law review articles.
The problem is the minute someone tries to bring up his credentials, they are called a racist. This has got to stop. I wish someone had asked him these questions about his leadership credentials during a debate. The media let this man slide through the primaries completely without proper scrutiny and now he is being forced down our throats. Thank God for the PUMAS who know when to gag before being poisoned!
Harvard and Yale are overrated. comeon, bush and bo? yikes.
I am an idiot an idiot an idiot…. WORM is … I am an idiot an idiot an idot
It isn’t cool to jack names.
I doubt anyone in the real world is “worried” about being cool… Oh wait! That is what voting for oabassole is about?!!
In the real world we can stand up on our own with out hiding behind the names of others. What you’re doing is pure lowlife.
I believe believe. I believe believe believe believes she/he can make believers out of us non believers. I believe he/she is unbelieveable.
should be a period after the second believe believe.
BELIEVE ? IS THAT THE SAME THING AS FAIRY TALE ? ON THE ABORTION ISSUE, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN ONE. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ANYBODY IN HERE WHAT OR WHAT NOT TO DO WITH THEIR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. AND IF YOU LOVE OBAMA SO MUCH, GO TO AN OBAMA BLOG. WE HAVE STRATEGYS TO PLAN AND WE DONT NEED ANY IMPUT FROM YOU. BELIEVE THAT ! ……GO AWAY, TROLL.
I am a 50 year old Lesbian. Please tell me why I should give a rat’s ass?
I grow tired of “the sky is falling” regarding Roe V Wade, when the dems vote for loser justices and then try to blame us for it. I did my part for the party for 30 years and still we don’t have ERA or anything else. The dems have cried wolf for far too long.
Good comment. I can’t divine why the government has ANY business in ANYONE’S uterus – and I don’t have one.
If the government can tell you what you CAN’T do with your uterus, what prevents the government from telling you what you MUST do with your uterus?
Roe v. Wade is the Golem that is trotted out for a big, “BOOGA! BOOGA!” every election to keep the sheep scared.
Whether or not the government has the right to confiscate part of MY income to fund YOUR abortion is a separate issue, worthy of debate.
I believe we should all change our name to believe.
Amen since the real believe never answers my question.
Is Obama’s health care plan Universal?
McCain will have more pressing things to take care of other than pursuing Roe vs Wade….so you Obamabots can quit trying to hold women hostage with that threat. Unbelievable how you people grab ahold of one thing that you think is dear to women and go berserk. I’m firmly convinced that all of you Obama supporters have been cursed with collective stupidity. So run along to the Obama sites, go to the convention, send him your money, then when McCain wins the White House, come back and we will listen to your pity party.
Roe v. Wade is a done deal PERIOD. If you don’t believe it, read the document for yourself. For one thing, there is no taboo against abortion in western religion as far back as the Greeks. Read the document or I’ll just say, sure waste your time talking about it so that the rest of us have time to convince more people not to vote for Oblahblah which is at least something DO-ABLE. I tell people everyday he’s a basketcase. They usually agree or at least listen politely.
Whoever the next president is..it is going to to be the economy stupid.
Obama’s plan for health are is to ask pretty please to insurance companies to hold down premiums.
Obama ahs not run any of his tax plan through any models to even know if they will work.
The man just BS’s everything.
Is it possible the drugs Obama used in his youth is affecting his memory. I honestly believe he is not aware of his changing positions because he can forget he said something in less than 48 hours. I think all Presidential nominees should undergo rigourous psychological examiniations.
Obama’s followers have ZERO leg to stand on wrt abortion, now that Obama has endorsed positions on abortion adopted only by the most extreme anti-choice members of SCOTUS. This mirrors what he would do as President–select someone with those same anti-choice views, and then you really MIGHT see Roe overturned. Look at his cozy-cuddling with Doug Kmiec, a guy who makes Alito look like a pot-smoking hippie. THAT is who Obama would choose. Oh and btw he wanted to vote for Roberts and supported the nomination of Alito.
He’s anti-choice and has bamboozled his followers on this as on so many issues. Like being “antiwar” on the basis of one speech that nobody has ever seen.
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