The Plight of the Obama Crowd
By Charles Lemos on July 7, 2008 at 6:10 PM in Barack Obama, Bernardine Dohrn, Bill Ayers, Bush Faith-Based Programs, Bush/Cheney, Campaigns & Campaign Financing, DNC, David Axelrod, Democratic Nomination, Democratic Party, Electability, Energy Policy Act of 2005, Father Michael Pfleger, Flag officers, Health Care, Hillary Clinton, Illinois senate, Joe Biden, Joseph Wilson, Louis Farrakhan, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Obamatopia, Pandering, Qualifications, Race Card, Rashid Khalidi, Rev. James Meeks, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., U.S. Constitution, William Ayers
I have zero compassion for them. Anyone who supported Obama after March 2008 is clearly either a delusional Obama cultist or a head in the sand idiot. This one is on you.
You had better more experienced choices, say Senator Joe Biden. You had better more principled candidates who live their convictions, say Representative Dennis Kucinich. You had a reform-minded committed populist, say former Senator John Edwards. And then you had Hillary Clinton who despite some flaws encompassed all the best qualities of the aforementioned. You dug the Democratic Party’s grave, now wallow in it for all I care.
For months, countless voices of reason have pointed out time and again, Obama is an empty suit (the above cartoon is from March 2007 so don’t act surprise that Obama is devoid of substance). Obama is a fraud. He lacks experience. He has no relevant qualifications. He has no conviction other than his own political welfare.
His past behaviour is troublesome. He threw Alice Palmer and four others off the ballot. His rise through the labyrinth of Chicago politics took him down some worrisome alleys and forged alliances with a cast of characters include Louis Farrahkan, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the Reverend James Meeks, Antonin Rezko, Rashid Khalidi, William Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn. Now he pals around with Donnie McClurkin, Father Michael Pfleger, and Jodie Evans.
For months committed liberals like Paul Krugman, in column after column, demonstrated how his proposals weren’t that progressive or even centrist. I’ve grown hoarse pointing out Obama’s lobbyist connections and his ties to the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries.
At every opportunity I get, I bring up the fact Senator Obama voted for the Bush-Cheney Energy Policy. The Washington Post called it “a piñata of perks for energy industries.” John McCain did not vote with his party. Hillary Clinton did not cross the aisle.
But you would not listen. You were mired in a speech that Obama gave in 2002. I hope that speech keeps you warm the next four years because that’s is the extent of his progressive record, a speech. His real record is far more centrist (that reach out across the aisle and ream someone kind of record), or perhaps corporatist is a better choice of words. Six billion dollars in subsidies to the oil & gas industry and $12 billion in subsidies to nuclear power industry.
One has to wonder if he photocopied his energy plan from Dick Cheney and Charles Grassley. His health care plan is a misnomer, it’s an insurance plan. The beneficiary is the insurance industry.
His votes in the Senate were more pro-Bush than Hillary’s, than Biden’s, than Dodd’s, than Edwards’. Progressive Punch ranked Obama the 42nd most progressive member of the Senate. There are 49 Democrats and one Socialist and one “Independent” in the Democratic Caucus. Forty-second out of 51. Funny how that is. Laughing yet?
Now, you are upset that he is backtracking. News flash: he says what he thinks will please his audience at the moment and then he does whatever he thinks will advance his career the most. And what a career it is. Zero legislative accomplishments. Zip. Name one. He has missed 42% of the votes in the Senate this year. Over the comparable period, Hillary missed 30%. That’s over a quarter more votes missed. Not trivial and by design. He and his handlers don’t want him to have a record to run on.
You think his vote on FISA was shocking. Really? He is the candidate of corporate interests, the candidate of the anti-Clinton Democratic establishment. You’re voting for Obama but getting Tom Dashcle. There’s a winner for you. You’re voting for Obama and getting Jesse Jackson, Jr. Another soulless Chicago politician. As a bonus, tack on Dick Durbin. But wait there’s more. Act now and we’ll throw in out-of-touch effete liberals– John Kerry and a gasbag to boot — Bill Richardson. But wait, there’s more you also get master advertising guru David Alexrod. Think of it as the DNC’s special gift to to you.
Obama is the designated one, the annointed one, but you satistified yourselves with silly speeches and satiated yourselves with empty platitudes galore. You went for the hip and the flash, a no-hit wonder who hasn’t even come to bat yet. He moves from one on deck circle to another never fully entering the game.
Instead you left the ace of the Democratic Party in the dugout. You fools. Stop your crying and either attempt to salvage the situation or prepare yourselves for a McCain Presidency which from my point of view is preferable to an Obama one. Better the devil that I know than the devil that I don’t. I know what to expect from McCain.
But how can I trust that shiftless soulless hypocrite who with each passing day changes yet another of his positions? It’s backtracking with Barack. So far he’s trampled on the Fourth Amendment, a women’s right to choose, the health care of all Americans and now the cornerstone of what brung him to the dance in the first place, that magical speech in 2002 that had to be re-recorded so it could be replayed again and again and use your opposition to a fruitless war as his springboard to power.
So it is with incredulity that I read this silliest of wanking posts by Ian Welsh on Firedoglake entitled “Turning Obama Into A Punchline: How Democrats Can Lose.” He was mockable from the start and his supporters perhaps even more.
I still can’t forget that kid in Ohio who thinks Obama is infallible. Papa Obama the First. News flash — Obama is a joke. He isn’t just a punchline, he is one of those clown punch bags. He may come back up but he just gets walloped down again. The funnier part is that it is largely self-inflicted so far. The GOP has yet to get its licks in.
His post and selected comments below the fold.
Once upon a time there was a candidate who was 17 points ahead of his foe. The election, it seemed, was his.
His name was Dukakis, and he lost that election to George Bush, Sr.
Or, more accurately, he lost it to Lee Atwater, Rove’s mentor. By the time Atwater got through with him, Dukakis wasn’t even a respected politician anymore, he was a punchline.
In 2000 Rove ran Bush as a “compassionate conservative” and smeared Gore as a liar, the man who’d “invented” the internet. The fact that Gore had never said that didn’t matter. In 2004 Kerry, an actual war hero, was smeared as a coward by the Swift Boat Veterans for “Truth” and by the time they got through with him, the man who’d taught Swift Boaters that the way to respond to an attack was to turn into it, was branded a coward, not a hero.
Republicans try and run elections based on “character” and when they manage it they generally win. When the election turns on something else, such as hope, the economy and health care in ‘92, they lose.
Today McCain promoted a new campaign manager, Steve Schmidt. Schmidt has been pushed, hard, by Karl Rove. He worked for the Governator’s reelection, and he also worked for Bush’s reelection in 04. Schmidt understands both parts of the Republican two-step — how to take away the scary parts of Republicanism, which he did for the Governator, who ran on a number of rather liberal policy plans; and how to destroy the opponent.
McCain isn’t going to win this election by playing nice. The natural momentum of the time favors Obama, because the Republican brand is badly damaged. The appointment of a Rovian disciple shows that the Republicans get this, and they’re ready to intensify their strategy.
Folks act as if negative campaigning doesn’t work, but this is a myth. It works, and it works well. All it is is reverse branding — branding your opponent for him. Schmidt will be looking for the opportunity to brand Obama as effete, weak and unprincipled. Obama’s actions of the past couple weeks, his “run to the center” in which he has suddenly realized he didn’t mean what he said in the primaries is playing into this narrative.
As with almost all Democrats Obama doesn’t seem to get that strength isn’t about what you vote for (national “security”), it’s about how you act. Stand strong on a principle and people will admire that even if they disagree with it. Be seen to flip like a weathervane and even if people wind up agreeing with you, they’ll despise you. Being strong, appearing strong, is about having principles, about taking a stand, not about talking tough.
Now, certainly McCain has no principles to speak of, having thrown his few remaining scruples out the door over the last couple years to court the conservative base, as when he voted for torture.
But, as we all know, the media prefers Republicans on character issues. The Swift Boaters were liars, their lies were proved at the time, but they were never effectively rebutted by the press. In 2000 the press likewise repeatedly failed to call Bush out on his many lies, indeed Paul Krugman, who tried, was expressly forbidden to use the word “lie” by his editors.
So the McCain campaign is going to try and define Obama. Republicans defined Dukakis, they defined Gore, they defined Kerry. Only with Clinton did they fail. At the same time, I expect Schmidt to push the McCain maverick brand more seriously and start backing away from the right wing base on a couple of key issues. (Torture, for example, is a place where McCain appears to be attempting to claim he is different from Bush, despite his vote for it.)
Muddle the difference on some key stands, define your opponent, make the election about character and not about policy. Obama has made this easier. It can’t really be about health care since Obama is not for universal care, and it’s harder to make it about the economy after changing his position on NAFTA.
So what Obama’s got left is “I’m not George Bush. And I am change.” If he can define McCain as Bush, he can still win it. But remember, historically elections that have come down to being about character have favored Republicans. And as Obama decides to be all things to all people, and nothing to anyone, I hope he isn’t walking into a trap whereby in simply defining himself as “hope” and “change” and “not Bush” he’s leaning on some slender reeds, easily broken by the avalanche of mud soon to come his way.
Lee Atwater is dead, but the style of politics he perfected hasn’t changed.
And sometimes the more things change, the more they stay the same.
You’re deluding yourselves by thinking that McCain is defining Obama. Obama is doing it all on his own. Obama is defining himself with every word he utters on FISA, capital punishment, on Iraq, on abortion, on his own naivete. His own backtracking is blazing a fiery trail as if it were naplam.
His candidacy is, as we speak, failing to gain traction. So far his own saving grace has been that McCain too has failed to gain traction. It’s a comedy of errors or perhaps a Greek tragedy. Either way, there is plenty to mock but not much to laugh at.
But you will see McCain run as some cross between a Ford Republican and Reagan Republican. You are beginning that change now. McCain is taking energy policy, Obama is talking flag pins. And when Obama does try to talk policy, he ends up “revising” earlier statements. Not too clever this very junior Senator from Illinois. Obama is on his way being defined as well, let’s just say he is part Carter, part Dukakis and part Kerry and all Barack and not one iota of Clinton.
He is unelectable even before the 527s get started. Those will point to the Reverend Wright. How does he run from a twenty year association with Reverend Wright? The Wright of 1991 is no different than the Wright of 2001 or 2008. He’s the same man and the tapes are ready to go. Twenty years of Barack at Trinity ready to hit your television screens.
How does he run from William Ayers, an unrepentant terrrorist? How does he run from Jodie Evans, a wealthy divorcee who thinks it’s funny to sabotage Army recruiting centers?
How does he run from that Bush-Cheney Energy Policy vote? Or his countless oil and gas connections? He is in the uneviable position of being attacked from both the left and the right and some of the center to boot. He has his cult and his handlers. That may be all he has in the end. Don’t look now but Ralph Nader has been polling since June in the 4% to 6% range. If he gets up to 10%, he is in the debates.
Now for the plight of the Obama Crowd, a few select comments from Firedoglake:
I like your thinking. Maybe I’ll send a check to HRC and JE. Keep the options open.
Sending a cheque to JE is pointless. Sending a cheque to HRC is nice because we need to retire her debt but the real problem is the DNC. You need to act to stop the coronation in Denver. Talk to a PUMA.
Do’h! We cudda hadda John Edwards!
Yeah. But you let a stupid $400 haircut story in the media undo him.
I’ve given up on aristocrats, and I’ve quit donating as a general policy.
Though I will seriously consider giving funds to a good effort to primary any Blue Dog-type.
Yeah, well Clinton was the working class Democrat. So was Edwards. So was Kucinich. And Biden wasn’t bad either. Choices you had. Even as late as May.
And thereby hangs the tale. Because I expected integrity from Barack Obama. I expected at the very least that he would be a fierce defender of the Constitution. Remember the “taught constitutional law” meme? He had my loyalty (okay, trickle down loyalty from Gore and then Edwards) and he has some of my money. There will be no more money (he doesn’t need it — he can afford to cover Hillary’s losses) and the loyalty thing is in limbo. And I’m a staunch Dem.
This is not looking good.
You wouldn’t listen to reason. Anyone who would throw five people off the ballot, as he did in his first state senate race, cannot be expected to be a Defender of the Constitution, can he? Anyone who arranges to get pundits thrown off CNN because he didn’t like their coverage cannot exactly be called a civil libertarian, can he? Integrity? From Barack Obama? Based on what? The way he handled the Reverend Wright? The racist card he has played throughout this campaign? His misogynistic remarks? His complete disrespect fof the success of the Clinton Administration? And yet he praised Ronald Reagan? Integrity?
And as Obama decides to be all things to all people, and nothing to anyone.
Nail on the head. We have a winner, ladies and gentleman. I have been saying this since January. It was evident then and it has been parcel post part of his campaign throughout. Did you just wake up from a six month hibernation?
I wrote to the Obama camp that I will not donate to someone who does not fight for the Constitution of the United States of America. (FISA, supporting church charity.) Not that I think letters, e-mails, faxes or phone calls are having any impact on any of the Dems. I don’t see Pelosi/Reid/et al. taking any notice of their base, and I don’t see Obama wising up. I despair, but I think McCain will slip through. Sad for all of us.
Sad. Yeah, that’s the word. Sad. You’re despairing? Despair if he becomes President. That’s truly what must be avoided. When we have reached the point that John McCain is the sane choice, I am afraid despair is pointless. That line was crossed long ago.
FISA anyone?
Obama’s new rush to destroy the Separation of Church and State isn’t going to help much either. If there is a plausible challenge to him in 2012, he might be a one-termer. Historic, but a single.
He’s getting the 3P’s down…Pander, Prevaricate and Pirouette.
He’s your man, not mine. I have opposed him from day one and will continue to do so because he’s dangerous. Obama is nothing but duplicitous.
Be seen to flip like a weathervane and even if people wind up agreeing with you, they’ll despise you. Being strong, appearing strong, is about having principles, about taking a stand, not about talking tough.
Let’s see now, who had principles? What was her name? Experienced too. Tough as nails. Wouldn’t quit until the DNC told her to shut up and get on board. Now, what was her name again?
Obama wasn’t my first choice, but as the primary campaign progressed, he grew on me (mostly by treating the electorate as grown-ups instead of fearful children).
Now, I want a do-over. The FISA capitulation was bad enough, but now he’s walking back his commitment to get out of Iraq? What is wrong with him? Did someone kidnap David Plouffe and replace him with Mark Penn?
Treating the electorate as grown-ups? What, by telling fairy tales in the land of hope and change? By telling you that you were the ones you had been waiting for. That was shameless flattery. Also out of Lenin’s playbook.
Clinton treated you as an adult. Edwards treated you as an adult. Obama treated you as a toy, a piece of silly putty that he could mold into his own legion of toy soldiers marching onto Washington to defeat the evil lobbyists who form his very own shock troops. It’s like watching an episode of Star Wars.
You have been deceived. You have been lied to. Wake up and doing something about it.
What’s wrong with Obama? How long have you got? I have written volumes. So have others far more learned than I. But you preferred to believe that a speech by an Illinois State Senator mattered more than the hard work of US Senators who faced tough decisions or who actually realized that telling the American people we can just waltz out of Iraq and leave it in a vacuum would be to mislead them.
Senator Biden, who is likely the most knowledgeable US Senator on both sides of the aisle on Iraq, told us that Obama didn’t have a plan, he had a dream.
Senator Clinton had the endorsement of nearly 40 retired top members of the US Armed Forces, including two former Chief of Staffs because they knew she understood what it would take to do the groundwork so we can exit Iraq.
Ambassador Joe Wilson wrote op-ed after op-ed praising Clinton for her approach. In return, you vilified him. And he broke the goods on Cheney.
There are no words that can describe the utter disgust I feel towards many of Obama supporters. Those that engage in tactics that aim to suppress dissent by shutting down websites nefariously or spreading misinformation about the membership of PUMA are nothing but vile worms living off their own manure.
I have long recognized that my political views put me in a minority- and that no candidate will win by espousing what I believe- so I try to support the person who will do the least harm.
Well unless you are willing to consider Nader, you’re likely talking about McCain at this point as the person who will do the least damage. Obama can not be trusted and then he lacks all relevant experience and that in and of itself is eminently dangerous.
His comments on Jerusalem at AIPAC would have set off riots in the Middle East and put both American lives and interests across the globe in jeopardy had he been President at the time. Words matter. Nuance matters. Precision is important and now he’s puzzled by how the media reads his every word. Unless you want to be the Hugo Chavez of the United States who spouts like some uncontrollable geyser, words need to be measured. But Obama is such a panderer that off the cuff he will fly and into the abyss we will go.
All the people who are disappointed in Obama need to remember on thing - if you remember nothing else about him. He is a student of George Lakoff.
For those of you who don’t know what that means, it is simply, George Lakoff is a specialist in the cognitive science of linguistics. In English, he studies ’framing’ and how it works.
In the instance being worried about today (faith-based initiatives), everyone (including me) has heard this term over and over for the past 7 or so years, and have become very familiar with the Bush version of this. It is a failed policy whereby the Rethugs dismantle a government program that was doing an adequate job, in favor of some crony religious program that is marginal at best, and outright corrupt at its heart at worst.
Along with this, the Rethugs dismantled social safety net programs leaving these so-called faith-based organizations to pick up the entire load, something they were never qualified for, nor were capable of doing on the scale of need. So we hear the words - faith-based initiative - and immediately all this crap comes to mind. Along with the erosion in the line of separation between church and state.
Let me propose a ”Lakoff transformation”. First, listen to Obama’s speech. And I mean REALLY listen. Don’t just read the headlines, here or anywhere else because they all have as a subtext the Bush definition.
Second, let’s lose the descriptor - faith-based initiative. What Obama is proposing is a PARTNERSHIP between the government and private institutions to get a job done. He is proposing that the government will keep its ongoing programs and work to make them better. And will work as a PARTNER with other organizations to help address needs that may be better suited to these particular organizations or for which these organizations may have a better track record of success. He proposes to LEARN from these organizations and figure out ways to help the government agency do a better job so that all persons needs are met. Yes, some of these organizations are religious - but the appropriate guidelines are in place - they just need oversight, accountability and enforcement, something that has also been completely missing under Bushco, and which Obama says he will make the Office in charge do its job.
I think that we are all too quick to dismiss and feel bad about Obama’s supposed policy direction changes, when they may not be that at all. Or they may be policy direction changes that are going in an entirely new direction than the one we are thinking about. Lakoff says this is the trouble with our language - we tend to develop a ’frame’ around a word or phrase when we first encounter it. That frame gets imprinted on our brains, and then we have to work really hard to actually think ”outside the frame” for a new and better context.
Next time you hear that Obama did XYZ using language that feels/seems bad - try this exercise. Replace the objectionable frame with another word that describes the action being taken - as I did using the word ’partnership’, and then look at the issue again. We may all be surprised - in a good way.
What Obama is proposing is a PARTNERSHIP between the government and private institutions to get a job done? What Obama is propsoing is a giveaway of taxpayer money to private institutions that proselytize. Government is in the business of assisting people in their lives. Churches are in the business of saving souls. The two are not complimentary. There is a Constitutional separation between Church and State. Your framing is blind acceptance of utter folly.
The kool-aid is strong in this one. Anyone who supports him now is blind to the dangers that Obama poses to civil liberties and human progress. And blind men are at their blindest when they suddenly think that they can see.
See you in 2012, if we get there.
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From my blog, By The Fault.
arry,
The one event that never seems to get coverage by yourself or Fox is what happened at Bush’s state of the union this year.
As you recall Bush mentioned the success of the surge. As we know and expected Hillary got up and clapped as any great American patriot would do when the commander and chief announces progress in a war.
Obama showed that he wishes American defeat by sitting on his hands and not getting up.
Now that the surge is working and McCain is correct on Iraq this video of Obama sitting and Hillary standing needs to be broadcast and often.
Obama’s will be defeated by his flip flop position on the Iraq war.
November will be about National Security,patriotism and pride
The fact that Hillary stood with McCain and Bush on Iraq shows that she wants America to win!
No matter what your position on the war is, we can’t do with a weaker military. Obama is going to do just that.
Do just what??
I heard him saying he was getting out of Iraq.
Then I heard him say that he would get back in Iraq if Alqueda set up a base.
Something very scary and naive here!!
Obama also said he may or may not get our troops out of Iraq, and he said he would send our troops to Pakistan and Afghanistan and fight “the War On Terror there.”
Obama is not fit to be the Commander in Chief of the Military.
Obama wanted American defeat in Iraq so that he could be president.
I want a president that puts Country before party and Country before self.
Maybe Obama should have got up off his appeasement ass and showed a little respect for our country and it’s victories in war and applauded the surge which McCain had advocated for years.
I’m very proud of our great Patriot Hillary who bravely got up and clapped and honored our troops and gave true recognition of success to the surge which has turned out to be the changing point in Iraq.
Seattle, these punks don’t care about our country. They just want their Guru to be president.
exactly what I thought, they don’t know anything about patriotism or integrity.
Obama is in big trouble now!
McCain the Patriot Hero who puts Country before Self, has shown what it takes to be a Leader.
When no one else was for the surge
McCain was there to make the unpopular stand against retreat and defeat.
McCain will lead by Wisdom,Judgment and Integrity with a duty to serve the United States.
Maybe it’s time to bring back the draft.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DRAFT!
So now these supposed Democrats support the Iraq war? They justify it (soon after July 4) by saying we slapped down insurgents in a Country Bush invaded without a concern for law.
So what is victory then?
The victory is Iraq becoming a self governing Pro Western Democratic State which allies itself with the United States
A really big deal for or our continued safety and the protection of our way of life.
We “give” the Middle East Democracy and they vote for HAMAS.
And your probelm is?
Geez…Hamas endorsed Obama…lol
Hamas even wrote an op-ed in his church bulletin.
So, what is the complaint?
He only threw them under the bus when the press started asking questions. Along with an advisor and an ageist insult for McCain when called on it.
LOL
$7/HR KOOLAID TROLL ALERT = TROLL named “believe”
save time: FastForward when you see posts by senseless, clueless “believe”
“believe” = FastForward
Yeah, they are really starting to bore me!!!!!They same the same old lies everyday!!
Last Nov, Maliki was before the UN Security Council to ensure that the UN resolution authorizing coalition forces in Iraq expires in Nov 2008. That means in Nov 2008, the foreign occupation of Iraq officially ends and Iraq gains full sovereignty over its soil
In this morning’s news, widely reported, the US and Iraq are close to finalizing negotiations of a joint security agreement that puts remaining coalition forces in Iraq under supreme command of the Iraqi military and also sets forth the (for good reason undisclosed) timetable for withdrawal of all foreign troops.
getting out of Iraq is a pipe dream. You need to change that word you posted “soil” to “oil”.
We’ll never leave Iraq. It was always about the oil, not terrorists or Al Qaeda.
This site just keeps getting worse and worse. It takes every internet talking point about Obama and then jumps off to the extreme wth it. As a result Larry Johnson has lost all credibility with real Democrats and not even the Republicans would have him back.
There is no need to twist the view of the PUMA mob. Their views are sick and twisted enough and they represent no one.
They have 350 supporters on facebook, compared to 1.2 million for Obama. They have done little to clear the Hillary campaign debt, despite claims to support her. Only 20 people were at their last big protest.
The only reason to keep a watch on sites like this is to refute the bigotes smears that stopped Gore and Kerry winning at the last elections. The PUMA is nearing extinction because of rabies.
Trolls - why don’t you head to the big ole stadium for your messiah’s coronation? That’s the only place you’re welcome. Go away.
its because the stadium is the only enclosed space big enough for their LEADERS HEAD.
Only 350 on facebook? Now, that is real sad.
I’ve heard of facebook but I’ve never looked at it, what do you do? Put your picture on a profile or something? Get “online” Friends?
The only thing that’s sad here is your name. When there are no facts and no reason, all you have left is “belief”.
Hey, I’ve been meaning to sign up for Puma Facebook, thanks for the reminder.
I know of at least a dozen PUMA friends who are not on Facebook. What is your point with that childlike statement?
What’s face book asshole?
I prefer to know thousands by greeting them in public than on some introverted wussie web site.
Oh, yes, you don’t hang out on web sites. That’s why you’re hanging out on this web site.
This is the time in every persons life to make a stand against injustices and expose undemocratic tactics that are being inflicted upon our nation by outside interests and a complicit and corrupt party leadership.
Remember this Believe…
‘Country before party ,Country before self’
That is a phrase that one has to earn!
McCain Rising!!
Well their real candidate does not even know how to use a computer, never mind understand the internet. So no wonder they do not know who facebook is. As for a few thousand - I doubt that number. They can not even fill a fake advert with faces. They had to put a post up here.
Facebook is a social netwroking site for college, work, going out. I guess where your from you identify with each other by burning crosses. A bit hard to recognize faces when they are covered by a sheet.
I also only described facebook - not facebook asshole. That must be the PUMA version.
You’re talking to yourself again UKie.
I’m a member of The Bitch Set Me Up. And I have 21 friends who are my irl friends that I hang out with all the time. But I don’t bring politics into it. When my friends bring up Obama (there are two) then I tease them mercilessly. My messages are all vague. I said I loved Clinton. Whenever they ask me about John McCain, I tell them I’m in favor of balanced government… and a president who’s strong on national security, if they persist.
mummy smerf,
You must be very stupid. Puma is only one month old. We are just starting.
Already there are millions of us.
I would be very worried if I were you.
Get ready for President Barck Obama vonay it takes years to organise a decent campaign.
MILLIONS of non-Pumas know that they aren’t buying what he’s selling. You don’t need to call yourself a PUMA to BE a PUMA … sweetie ….
Twenty people. That is all. If the press had not included the hobo on the corner it would have been 19. Then we could have kept playing the Paul Hardcastle song at you. (You had to include the cat lady as she was the hero who stood up against black people at the Rules meeting).
Try on 2 million [to date]. Don’t believe it? We have months to go yet.
See you in November!
PUMApac.org
BTW, why did “Old Bitch” Smurf have a British accent?
I’m a older man and I always vote, as do most of the folks I know. Most of them, like myself, have always voted for DEMS but most will not this year. I only know 2 people voting for Obama, they are TEAMSTERS and work for the Union. The reason the TEAMSTERS are supporting Obama is because Obama told Jimmy Hoffa he would remove the Gov’t oversight of the TEAMSTERS, which is needed to keep the Gangsters under control in the Union. The members NEEDS that Gov’t oversight to protect their Pension Fund FROM THE UNION.
Like I said, please keep believing that. I want you to believe that. We’re just a few dead enders. Rumsfeld said the same thing…remember?
He was right for a change. You lot counted for nothing against him. Jobs and homes is all that matters.
and you mummy…where do you fit in? do you fit? how do you fit? or do you just throw a fit?
Your comments are irrelvant, as I’m sure you are too.
You’d be amazed how energizing a little rage can be.
we don’t need to organize a campaign. we know where we stand and our tactics are exposure of the truth about obama. you’re the one with trouble on your hands.
and will take me and millions of other Americans 5 seconds to vote for anyone but BO.
Hell it took him about the same amount of time to change my vote from “against BO” to “for Mccain”.
McCain was not MY first choice but he damn sure he will be my last. As deeply as I respect Senator Clinton and loathe BO’s indifference…
Charles Lemos; damn fine work.
Yeah, the Republicans have been working since 2005 to promote Obama as the Democratic nominee.
So that’s the “community organizing” in his resume?
oh, another outsource troll. Really if you are going to try to fool us, learn American spelling.
There are SO MANY voters out there who don’t yet know that they are PUMAs.
I had the pleasure this weekend to induct a few more PUMAs into our midst!
They will go forth and induct more PUMAs — and that is how the PUMA ranks are growing!!
These people are not on the Internet — and they are pissed — really pissed at the democratic leadership and the empty suit called Obama. They also don’t have a damn what color Obama “thinks” he is — PUMAs just know that Obama is NOT who they want to be CiC and President of the US.
PUMA — spread the word
Party Unity My Ass —
PUMA
I am guessing that those encouraging Democrats to vote for McWar have resigned from the Party. If of course you ever were members.
Lifelong Democrat for your information. I am now an Independent. Thanks for asking.
life long democrat who will vote McCain, here.
I started calling myself a Republican back in 2006. Guys thought it was hot.
roflmao I’ll have to remember that one.
I’ll tell you one thing, we got it all over Obama’s supoprters with our sense of humor. They have none. I’ve learned between you and Uppity not to be drinking anything while reading the posts.
I keep getting junk mail from the DNC and the Michigan Dems and I keep sending it back to them with a complaint about the DNC and the Michigan DEMS stealing my vot and giving it to Obama. I never put a stamp on though, I always let the DEMS pay for the Postage Due.
I saw a post elsewhere, this dear PUMA sent them a reply, to the effect, “everytime you send me an email asking for money, I am going to send money to McCain”.
Oddly, I haven’t heard from the DNC since I answered their email with F*** you.
Lifelong Democrat who will write in HRC and vote the balance of the ticket Democratic. Mummy Smurf (what a name) - what should worry all of the Obamabots is the number of sites dedicated to defeating Obama from former loyal Democrats.
Anyone who would vote for this man with his embellished resume, embellished story of his birth, embellished legislative record and constant lies since winning the nomination should not be accorded the right to vote.
“…since winning the nomination should not be accorded the right to vote.”
Senator Obama did not “win” the nomination, it was a handout from the DNC/RBC. He’s still just the selectee.
If he is nominated at the Denver Convention, he’ll always have that little asterisk accompanying his name.
Anyone can set up a website - look at this one. It has gone from being defend Plame to KKK.
Racist twat.
Northwest rain I want to join up with the PUMA’S.And to all of you Obama nuts when Obama brings Islam to the America you will be the first to say I did’nt vote for him.Northwestrain go to http://daddyfats.space.live.com leave a how to message please,thats my site for comments on illegal aliens.
Think harder Darrell.
facebook is for kids……PUMA’s are ADULTS
we don’t need “Facebook” to network
Get over it! & get on board….. OBAMA IS TOAST!!!
PUMA! (and i am not on facebook either)
My own kids join any silly group on Facebook and it means nothing. Come back when you grow up.
Barack Obama
1,116,154 supporters
John McCain
162,945 supporters
Hillary Clinton
158,951 supporters
Ron Paul
90,673 supporters
Michelle Obama
55,661 supporters
Of course to deadenders and PC illiterate Facebook means nothing. See you in November.
According to Hillary math, if you ignore those living in caucus states, those who supported Obama in Michigan and Florida, African Americans and young people Hillary and McBush have more facebook supporters.
Yes, we grown up are really interested in Facebook. We got nothing better to do. What’s taking care of family, building financial future, when you can be on facebook.
Twat, most blue collar folks (the ones barky insulted with the bitter remark) have no idea what facebook even is, you idiot. They are too busy putting food on the table and putting those fat ass punks on facebook through college and they vote, they may not be able to caucus, but they will vote in November. And it won’t be for a coked out racist.
Mummy Smurf:
i take it you are one of the SHEEP that salivates at the site of your DADDY OBAMA on TEEVEE!
It is sheep like you that will ruin this country. You seem incapable of using the brain the Creator endowed you with. You are a sad excuse for a human being. But, there is still hope for you. There is a TEEVEE program on A&E called–”INTERVENTION”. If your family has any love for you, they will enroll you in this program before you do harm to yourself and those of us around you!
You are one of those people when told to jump. you reply….”How High”!
Now go back to your Glass pipe and load it with a hit of Hopium! Take your walk with Alice down the rabbit hole and enjoy your Kool-Aid party. The Human race will not miss you one bit!
ROTFLMAO!!
You are such a persuasive person, referring to Hopim and Kool Aid. How could anyone resist your powerful logic and your put-downs?
Hopey Smurf is not ruining America. He doesn’t even live here. This doofus cries out UK for DEMS. Who else would respond to every post with the same inane drivel about 20 puma members?
You’re a smurf alright, with as much brain capacity as a smurf doll. Nothing upstairs whatsoever, or you’d see the facts that are blatantly in front of your glazed over zombie eyes.
Go suck your messiah’s toes oh foolish one.
’partnership’, and then look at the issue again. We may all be surprised - in a good way. (suck your messiah’s toes)
Morris showed him that one?
Smurfs are on mushrooms. They live in mushrooms and eat their walls with peanut butter. Stoners.
Sweetie, that is because ADULTS do not
spendwaste all of their time on Crackbook like fiberal, indoctrinated, brain-washed college students.Whatever. Senator Obama will never be my commander in chief. I would vote for the devil before anyone who does not realize that our country is diverse with people from all walks of life. If he was aspiring to be anything, he would of left his hate mongoring church and associates. Say what you will, but just because the Democratic party chose to follow the money instead of votes, that does not mean the rest of the country will.
You cannot make excuses for any association that belittles or puts down anyone, this is the highest position our country has to offer and the president is held to a higher standard. We will not spend the next four years with a candidate constantly stating what he really meant. That same flag his buddy ayers stepped on is the exact same one I wear on my right shoulder.
The Democratic Party and supporters of Senator Obama are wasting there hard earned money because this country will NEVER have a president were they question his patriotism and his loyalty. And the supporters can make excuses and give “reasons” until the chickens come home to roost. It doesnt matter.
There allowing the Democratic party to hang themselves and hang themselves they will. Because only a fool would think Senator Obama even has the chance to put one foot on the White House lawn. The Democratic Party bought it and now the own it, and it cannot be undone. How many Dems up and down the ballot will maintain there seats after August and the Republicans release the information that is right there but the Dems chose to hide it or ignore it?
Please. The same MSM that is allowing his coronation and annoiting to get full press coverage are the same ones who donated millions to Bush and who are ensuring Obama has the money his campaign needs to insure the Dems keep him as the nominee.
Pathetic really that any party would attempt a stunt such as this. I mean this is the position of Commander in Chief. The President. The P.R.E.S.I.D.E.N.T. State secrets? Power? Highest job in our nation? Given to the person who cant even produce his birth certificate? Who hasnt denouced Larry Sinclair, but yet you have a website fighting “certain” smears? Ayers. Wright. etc etc…
Get real. The Democratic Party will become the laughingstock of the free world. If it wasnt so pathetic I would cry that these idiots do not realize they sacrificed the chance to gain the White House. Do you know how many actual black elected officials who would of done justice to running for president but we get HIM?
This guy knows nothing about our community, the black community. When I see Obama supporters now, I just memorize this moment. Because they are the ones who were stupid enough to vote on “change”. Who the hell votes on a slogan for president?
Good god with people like you having the ability to pick our president, it shows that we are in dire straights indeed. But thats okay. I plan on fighting against those thugs that call themselves Democrats who seem to think party affiliation entitles them to a job.
The Democratic Party gave us a worthless
shittyexcuse of a candidate and we will suffer because of it. The Democratic Party has fallen and the Dems up and down the ballot will pay the ultimate price: LOSING. They will never be able to get back what they have lost. The ability for anyone to trust there judgement.They truly do not even understand the backlash that is building daily as Obama attempts to crown himself and not let them vote they way they should. It will be an all out assault on removing officials in the Democratic Party like nothing, and I mean nothing, like they have ever seen.
When you have military families that are damn near on welfare while there spouses are deployed and you get a chance to have a candidate that actually came and SPOKE to our communities on the plans and solutions and ideas based on actual actions, and get stuck with a loser like Obama, you will find that you will fight long and hard for what you believe in.
If you dont know what its like to sit in a dark house because you are waiting on the 1st or the 15th to get paid just the pay the bill, then you will never understand where these people are coming from.
The Democratic party has became the enemy in my eyes because they lack the good judgement necessary to put the people before the party. I suffered through racial slurs from my own race, death threats and hate speech all because I chose to vote on the candidate with a message instead of the one with a bullshit fantasy. I will be damned if I will sit silently by. The sorry worthless, idiotic, out of touch Democratic Party will be held accountable.
Every sponsor that supports there convention, every famous person who ever endorsed him, every elected official that stood by his side, from stockholders to the companies driving trucks with there products from point a to b…will feel as if they hit a recession.
ATT, Visa etc etc…might want to talk to Oprah about how the ratings for Harpo is doing. Fuck writing super delegates about supporting Senator Clinton. My group is going after the money. See how they like getting letters stating there supporting a party that has no problem turning the other way while paid bloggers from third world countries send people death threats and hate speech.
How they hack accounts. All the things the Dems chose to ignore will be what haunts there sorry asses at night. When the media turns on Senator Obama the day after the convention and bring up everything the Dems chose to ignore. Its game over.
My vote is precious. It is mine. It is my choice. The Democratic party is smoking fucking crack if they think, especially me, who has pride in there country while serving there country, will lay down and let these fools dictate who will represent our party in the general election without feeling the consequences and repurcussions of stealing our votes.
There first mistake was counting the money instead of the votes. There second mistake was assuming we would all fall in. There last mistake was underestimating the people. Its country before fucking party and for all I care the down ticket dems, howard dean and company can all go to hell.
Well said. Me, too.
I deeply respect your service , your meaning and your convictions.
Thank you, what can I say? You said it all.
I could not have said it better! Voting straight GOP ticket this year. That will be a first.
god bless you patsy,just as hancock and chamberlin did at gettsburg stand your ground.winfield scott hancock proved country over party time and again throught his life .huuya.
Bless you!! I wish everyone in America could read or hear your comments. Finally people are waking up! Thank God!!!
God Bless You!!!
You said it all. I’m with you. You are a true patriotic American. I hope a lot of Obama supporters will read this and wise up before it is too late.
Thank you Soldier4Hillary. My sentiments exactly.
Who wants to go to facebook, it is infested with Obamatrolls, whose language consists of nothing but ignorant, vile comments. Hillary supporters and PUMA members have self-respect and class. Obama trolls are not very smart, seeing that you are half of the reason why most will never support your man. Uggh, did I say “man”. Believe me the PUMA numbers are growing daily. Many people, who will never support Obama, will never publicly say so, for fear of being attacked or threatened by his cult followers.
PUMA
NOBAMA
As IF they need facebook.
Oh dear obamabot, you should check the most recent polls! Furthermore, obot only raised .4 million more than McCain last reporting period. Doesn’t that tell you anything? DON’T drink the Koolaide; it makes your brain rot, that is if you had one to begin with.
Only kids use facebook.
And there were 20 PUMA people starting up groups in each of hundreds of cities throughout the country, dope.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/06/clinton-suppo-1.html
So it was NINETEEN. (Puts Paul Hardcastle on in the back
SO UKie why did you feel it was necessary to change your name? Could it be all the name jacking you were doing when you were drunk?
you need to pay attention to your smurfs, mummy.
that’s about the educational and maturity level you demonstrate yourslef to be at.
racist, bigoted, juvenile, spoiled brat, stoopid troll.
Mummy Smurf wore a sock formerly known as UKfordems.
Facebook is like a coloring book. It’s for children.
Facebook? The place where horny teens try to hook up with other horny teens and perverts pretend to be horny teens?
If it is so bad then you are FREE to leave.
Those false tricks worked before not now. It is about how to keep Americans in jobs and homes and how to END reliance on oil.
and just what will Obama do keep Americans in jobs and homes and end reliance on oil? Expressing globally held platitudes are nice, every candidate for as long as I was even cognizant of presidential elections has expressed these worthy goals, but they do not constitute a discussion of issues in and of themselves.
Well the insurance candidate lost. The only candidate supporting compulsory private insurance with threats of imprisonment for the poor was Hillary. (Of course they could get discounts or rebates - fine if you want to feed your children and pay your bills).. Obama will at least use someone who really cares about universal healthcare and that is Elizabeth Edwards.
“imprisonment of the poor”
You live under a veil of utter ignorance and stupidity.
or as my pappy used to say - you don’t know sh’t from applebutter.
And you just responded to job and oil with health insurance issue? Obama supporters are bright-not. You just side step issues because you have not clue as to what you are talking about. Grow up, and grow pass Facebook, then you can jiont the adults.
Read his website - but giving tax cuts to the poor and middle america works better than giving to the highest earners (propoensity to save - some basic economics for you).
Energy
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
Invest in a Clean Energy Future
Support Next Generation Biofuels
Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
that’s what you’re going on?
you really are silly and uninformed.
Words. How do you actually get it done? I am not interested in talking piont, details please.
Thanks for tring to give me economic lesson. How well did you do in that department? Tax cut for is not the only solution. How did the Bush tax cut so far?
How’s tax cut help anyone without a job and therefor don’t pay taxes? How’s that help families save their home when they don’t make enough to pay mortgages? How’s the raising debt help with devauled dollar which drive up the cost of evrything included energy?
How’s the forty year energy plan help people who’s gonna loose everything in the next couple of years(Savings, ob, home, hope for their child and then the America dream)?
How’s the biofuel that creat more carbon better than gasoline and take away food supply from the world(many in the world are in hunger in case you didn’t know and world population is growing)? How do hybird battery that emit enough carbon when created that it takes 100K miles to break even good for then enviroment?
If peopel have to wait 40 years, then youIf you are in you’r 20s)are the only one who will benefit. Can you so call young people be that selfish? Or maybe I just ask the wrong people to care?
Honestly, I doubt any of this will effect me, since I have took care of financial situation. But for those who need the help now, your empty promise and hot head approach is just amazingly foolish and selfish. Education from school is just untested theories that need to put to good use in the real world with reality check and adjustment. Something that you don’t seen to understand. I took enough economic classes(Macro and Micro) to understand that. How many did you take?
Jobs I mean, not ob and it’s seem not seen.
Andy, you rock.
Ok you cannot read his web site so read.
What does McBush offer?
Barack Obama’s Plan
Reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent by 2050
Cap and Trade: Obama supports implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama’s cap-and-trade system will require all pollution credits to be auctioned. A 100 percent auction ensures that all polluters pay for every ton of emissions they release, rather than giving these emission rights away to coal and oil companies. Some of the revenue generated by auctioning allowances will be used to support the development of clean energy, to invest in energy efficiency improvements, and to address transition costs, including helping American workers affected by this economic transition.
Confront Deforestation and Promote Carbon Sequestration: Obama will develop domestic incentives that reward forest owners, farmers, and ranchers when they plant trees, restore grasslands, or undertake farming practices that capture carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.
Invest in a Clean Energy Future
Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.
Double Energy Research and Development Funding: Obama will double science and research funding for clean energy projects including those that make use of our biomass, solar and wind resources.
Invest in a Skilled Clean Technologies Workforce: Obama will use proceeds from the cap-and-trade auction program to invest in job training and transition programs to help workers and industries adapt to clean technology development and production. Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry.
Convert our Manufacturing Centers into Clean Technology Leaders: Obama will establish a federal investment program to help manufacturing centers modernize and Americans learn the new skills they need to produce green products.
Clean Technologies Deployment Venture Capital Fund: Obama will create a Clean Technologies Venture Capital Fund to fill a critical gap in U.S. technology development. Obama will invest $10 billion per year into this fund for five years. The fund will partner with existing investment funds and our National Laboratories to ensure that promising technologies move beyond the lab and are commercialized in the U.S
Require 25 Percent of Renewable Electricity by 2025: Obama will establish a 25 percent federal Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) to require that 25 percent of electricity consumed in the U.S. is derived from clean, sustainable energy sources, like solar, wind and geothermal by 2025.
Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.
Support Next Generation Biofuels
Deploy Cellulosic Ethanol: Obama will invest federal resources, including tax incentives, cash prizes and government contracts into developing the most promising technologies with the goal of getting the first two billion gallons of cellulosic ethanol into the system by 2013.
Expand Locally-Owned Biofuel Refineries: Less than 10 percent of new ethanol production today is from farmer-owned refineries. New ethanol refineries help jumpstart rural economies. Obama will create a number of incentives for local communities to invest in their biofuels refineries.
Establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard: Barack Obama will establish a National Low Carbon Fuel Standard to speed the introduction of low-carbon non-petroleum fuels. The standard requires fuels suppliers to reduce the carbon their fuel emits by ten percent by 2020.
Increase Renewable Fuel Standard: Obama will require 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels to be included in the fuel supply by 2022 and will increase that to at least 60 billion gallons of advanced biofuels like cellulosic ethanol by 2030.
Set America on Path to Oil Independence
Obama’s plan will reduce oil consumption by at least 35 percent, or 10 million barrels per day, by 2030. This will more than offset the equivalent of the oil we would import from OPEC nations in 2030.
Increase Fuel Economy Standards: Obama will double fuel economy standards within 18 years. His plan will provide retooling tax credits and loan guarantees for domestic auto plants and parts manufacturers, so that they can build new fuel-efficient cars rather than overseas companies. Obama will also invest in advanced vehicle technology such as advanced lightweight materials and new engines.
Improve Energy Efficiency 50 Percent by 2030
Set National Building Efficiency Goals: Barack Obama will establish a goal of making all new buildings carbon neutral, or produce zero emissions, by 2030. He’ll also establish a national goal of improving new building efficiency by 50 percent and existing building efficiency by 25 percent over the next decade to help us meet the 2030 goal.
Establish a Grant Program for Early Adopters: Obama will create a competitive grant program to award those states and localities that take the first steps to implement new building codes that prioritize energy efficiency.
Invest in a Digital Smart Grid: Obama will pursue a major investment in our utility grid to enable a tremendous increase in renewable generation and accommodate modern energy requirements, such as reliability, smart metering, and distributed storage
Restore U.S. Leadership on Climate Change
Create New Forum of Largest Greenhouse Gas Emitters: Obama will create a Global Energy Forum — that includes all G-8 members plus Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa –the largest energy consuming nations from both the developed and developing world. The forum would focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues.
Re-Engage with the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change: The UNFCCC process is the main international forum dedicated to addressing the climate problem and an Obama administration will work constructively within it.
Jesus. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR AN OBAMAMUTT TO FRIGGIN’ SUMMARIZE? Cutting and pasting miles if bullshit just pisses us off.
They also can’t read. Didn’t address anything I commented. As far as to the next 5 years. Have a plan beyond 2016 is full of BS. HNew president and new policy after that. Setting the goal post 14 years after that means he don’t have to get anything done during his presidency(if he’s ever elected).
I just told you that ethanol creat more carbon emission than gasoline, and hybird bettery creation takes as much carbon emission as 100k miles worth of driving in it just to break even. Not to mention my piont on the economy.
How do you double the fuel economy in 18 years? Without dropping weight on cars which is a safety issue? Do you have anything detail other than talking piont you get from his site.
As smart as you claim to be, you must be ale to have some knowlege of the things that you are so interested in. Why not give me the details instead of talking pionts. Don’t you think on your own? Don’t you have knowlege of your own? After all, you are the one giving me economic lesson.
Getting China and Russia to agree with him just because Obama asked? Had you any idea of China or Russia? What are you smoking? I am sure you have travel all over th e world to come up with that line, right? I know China, stop dreaming.
The above post is directed at mummy smurf, the computer program.
They do go on and on, don’t they?
They are like computer virus that had one purpose, simple but like a plight, try to shut everything down and infect everything they touch. Never any need to expend their capability. Did you see them ever anwser anything with details other than copy from the code book?
Some people can’t think for themself, and need Obama to think for them. It’s no wonder they support Obama.
I am glad that they had Mccain running. I hate republican in general, but have no problem vote for Mccain. I don’t believe in party lable, skin label or religious label. Unlike these Obama supporters, I weight the person themself.
His website is scrubbed more often than the decks of the USS Constitution.
You get your info from a place Mr. Bubbles would be jealous of.
“http://www.ussconstitution.navy.mil/”
Yeah, tax cuts, that’s the ticket! You go, mummy smurf!
News flash we are going to have to raise taxes and cut government services to make up for the deficit that Bush’s tax cuts have gotten us into. We are selling T-notes hand over fist to the Saudis, Chinese, and who ever else will buy them. Every note sold devalues the Dollar.
Also, your Obama voted to give your tax money to oil companies with subsidies when he his the yes button on dick Cheney’s energy policy vote. How is that going to reduce carbon emissions?
you are a moron.
universal means everyone. universal means mandated support through taxes, not insurance companies. universal…like social security.
and to think, facebook is full of morons like this.
btw, elizabeth edwards voted for and supported hillary clinton, precisely because of her health care plan.
Elizabeth Edwards will now be working with Obama on securing real universal health care; not compulsory health insurance backed by her donors that did nothing but make feeding your family, when poor, illegal. Then again she only ever commented on Middle American and also said “God Bless Rich People”. No Shills in 08. OB08.
Because barky never had one. He has to steal from another superior female. The pussy.
The she being, according to McWar, the loser mother to the daughter of Janet Reno.
Nice republican talking point, oh ample assed one.
You are pathetic..ill informed and write only to incite. Go away, you have nothing intellegent or useful to say..we don’t want you here.
photolady or baglady?
I wouldn’t talk chunky butt. Facebook tells all.
Elizabeth Edwards has her own health care to think about, she supported Hillary. So what are you saying? Obama is now thinking of changing his care to be more like Hillary’s health care, but Hey Obama said his health care was much better that Hillary’s.
duh
And Barack is taking bundled funds from the guys ripping people out of their homes, closing down America’s plants (think Maytag sweetie) and BO is telling them to turn their thermostats down and to drive less? That’s a plan? He scoffed at 20 cents …. They know who said no …
How again are we going to “end reliance on oil?” With corn? You mean the ethanol manufacturers who are having a picnic, the three ethanol mfgr boards Mr.Daschle sits on while he “advises” Obama???? These two guys are tighter than two sheets of paper because there is money in dem hills. Oh he’s a busy man, Daschle is! You are being thieved by the Billions. It takes 1.25 gallons of oil to make 1.0 gallons of ethanol. Oh yeah that’s right, we are going to use Clean Coal. You know how much it costs to make “clean Coal”? You had better ask, because it’s huuuuuuuuuuge. Your rice and wheat has nearly doubled in price in less than 18 months because there is no corn to be eaten while Daschle, Obama and their partners in crime have a picnic.
If this isn’t deja vu I don’t know what the hell is. You think this is the FIRST time this has been tried? You know what happened the first time? Plenty of thieving politicians made millions and no ethanol-because the corn growers and the ethanol companies tied to the politicians who send your money their way will scam you again. This is a rerun of Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama is the beginning of his repeat “malaise upon America”.
When Obama and Daschle are done with this picnic, you will be hitchhiking to work just so you can feed your family that rice that doubled four more times in price. In the meantime, one entire coast of this country still depends on oil so that they don’t freeze their asses off in the winter. You think those furnaces are going to run on corn ethanol? You think the landlords are going to buy new furnaces? You think the elderly and middle class can continue to afford the rising costs that are being brought to us as much by this ethanol scam as by the price of oil? You think you can afford those solar panels? No? Well why not check and see which politicians are on THOSE boards.
Fools. All of you. You have no knowledge of history and therefore you aren’t smart enough to know it’s repeating right in your dumb faces. It’s like watching the country go for the bomb shelter scare all over again. Or the Y2K horseshit.
You see GM whining because they are dying? Well guess what. THAT’s deja vu too. They had their change to clean up their act last time, after Japan ate their lunch with more economical cars. They fell in line for awhile, but the minute the “scare” was over and there were no more gas lines, they went right back to their old ways again, building gas hogs. I have no sympathy for them whatsover.
And buy the way, the oil companies, and OBama is in their pockets too, make no mistake about it, aren’t going to let ethanol replace them. Count on it.
We either drill for oil or we die. Or we take it away from other countries. You pick. As it stands now, Obama has already told us to we eat too much, drive to much and keep ourselves too warm. Does this sound like a man who is going to revive America? NO! This sounds like Jimmy Carter. But not to worry. Nobody in DC will be suffering. Just YOU.
And after they are done pilaging the coffers, the “scare” will be over. Just like last time. Suckers.
Nice Uppity. Very true. They aren’t listening though, they already know everything and the facts get in the way of “change you can believe in”.
Yeah, don’t confuse them with facts.
I second what Uppity Woman said! right on!
Well, if that’s it, then at least McCain has plans. BHO, all hat and no cattle.
Read the post by soldierforhillary above. It says it all. Wise up before it is too late. This country has too much too lose and we can’t gamble on a junior senator with a tiny track record of accomplishments and is all talk. Please do your research. I did and it opened my eyes to the truth. “Hope and Change” means knowing how to do it not just say it.
Smutty smurf, your messiah plans to end dependence on oil by making you pay more and more for it with no relief until you are WALKING!
Oh and I hope you don’t like ANYTHING with plastic in it because without oil we can’t make it! Hold on to your troothbrush, brush, curling iron, TV, computer (with your cute little facebook account), your cd’s, etc because they are all made with PETROLEUM products, and that is just the begining. You should get the picture from those little examples if you haven’t drank too much KOOLAIDE!
please provide the link to the video.
Your stance on the war doesn’t matter - Hillary showed good manners, while Obama acted like the petulant child we have come to know.
National Journal ranked Obama as the most liberal member of the Senate and they’re an outfit with a long track record that people who know politics take seriously. Who did you say ranked Obama otherwise? No one’s ever heard of them.
Speak for yourself “no one”. Informed people have “heard of” Progressive Punch.
The only thing worse than a troll is a dumb troll.
Whatever you say. But I looked at the site and Obama has an 88% progressive score — really very good. So even if you took the site seriously as a source of information, he’s very progressive.
He’s no progressive. He is a leftist authoritarian. He is NO progressive.
Communists are comfortable with him. Socialists and marxists are comfortable with him. Democracy will never be comfortable with him. He is Lenin and Marx and Stalin on his worse days.
Progressive Punch is so little known that there’s only 3 google hits in news sources:
http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&hl=en&q=%22progressive+punch%22&btnG=Search+News
If it’s so well heard, then how come Google has only 3 hits for it when you search new for “Progressive Punch”?
Three hits!
http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn&hl=en&q=%22progressive+punch%22&btnG=Search+News
Interesting that this site complains he is too liberal or too right wing. The fact is that this bunch of 20 with 300 supporters will never be happy. So remember - get their talking points and learn how they will be moderated and used in the campaign. This lot in themselves are worthless.
You have given to us, with your arguments far more to work with, than our response to you. It is very apparent, that you have little to
offer with Obama, but to diffuse the conversation.
Ah, but when a person has no experience it is very difficult
to defend him/her.
Obviously Dean and the rest, found it would be easier to support
someone with no experience, poor judgment and questionable handlers.
Disneyland.
Thanks for inspiring more of us to become PUMAs!
PUMAS,
Don’t feed the trolls!
How is that $/Hour working for ya? How many paid bots are on here tonight?
Would you people go to your own sites to talk to each other? idiots.
I’ve been voting for over thirty years and I have real good research skills. I don’t need some misinformation service to feed me the facts. I can and did discover them for myself.
Obama is not PRESIDENTIAL material. As a matter of fact, he really should go back to the Illinois Senate and learn how to be a Senator for a while.
After ten or so years, maybe he could come back to D.C.
Obama’s definition of W.O.R.M.
“There is a learning curve and growth being a presidential candidate. I think I’m a much better candidate now than I was six months ago or 12 months ago. I think I’ll be a better communicator and even more effective six months from now.”
http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-i-will-end-war
Heads up - he’s just learning how to “be a better communicator” and will have different things to say in SIX MONTHS from now.
He’s an EMPTY SUIT alright.
1. Hillary
2. McCain
PUMA
More Obama words that can be used against him. He is just handing over gold.
He has always used just words. To say he is still comitted to ending the war is no different than Clinton, McCain, or Bush for that matter. No matter what, no president has any benefit to a war that goes on forever. McCain will end the war, but will try to do so with a victory. The only difference is timeline. There is no way to know if a McCain timeline may actually be shorter than Obama. We just don’t know. What we do know is that Iraq will not be a 100 year war.
Obama to me is the war President because with him, we can be certain of having to stay in Iraq (since Al Quiada will view him as weak or one of their own and step up attacks), but we can also be certain of getting into more wars because of his wanting to tell everyone that they want to hear. Uh, sorry, don’t think that will work with like Iran, North Korea, Pakistan and many others. Everyone hates a liar and an opportunist and Obama is a danger to the world.
Thanks to the MSM, not too many people are noticing that the war is almost over. Al-Qaeda is on the run in the last city they held - they have been beaten everywhere else. In the south the Mahdi army evaporated once attacked by the new Iraqi army. There is progress on the political front. The people of Iraq
have risen up and rejected both Al-Qaeda and Mahdi. US and Iraq are in negotiations for a post war security agreement and a scheduled withdraw. By the time Obama gets his ass over there he will look like a clown.
The quote doesn’t say what you say it does. You’re reconstructing its meaning.
Are some you kinda Replicator?
reconstructing ??? Go talk to the Ori about it.
That’s not the meaning I knew!
The woman on Fox today at 4:00 said it the best she is a Hillary Support (big money that will not back Barack) she said I am an American first that what the DNC does not get. This is what alot of Dems are feeling. I switched parties after 22 years to Ind. I am American First
Tricia,
The “new” Democratic Party does not understand that WE are Americans first. Our country is more important than any political party. The “new” Democratic Party leadership has taken the base that stood by the Democratic Party for grant. We are not children who can be told what to do; they are not our parents.
We have choices and will take our votes elsewhere.
Donna Brasile said the “new” Democratic Party has a “new” base and don’t need us. Well, you know what-we don’t WANT the “new” Democratic Party’s immoral values and potential candidate.
Pure gold statement!!
“You had better more experienced choices, say Senator Joe Biden. You had better more principled candidates who live their convictions, say Representative Dennis Kucinich. You had a reform-minded committed populist, say former Senator John Edwards. And then you had Hillary Clinton who despite some flaws encompassed all the best qualities of the aforementioned. You dug the Democratic Party’s grave, now wallow in it for all I care.”
But we still have a chance to change the plunge over the cliff. CONTACT YOUR SD’S. PUMA POWER!!!!
Oh, yes, Fox News is always the best source for people who care about the Democratic party.
Yup you got that right.
Who cares about the Democratic party? Not us!! they’re a bunch of vote stealing crooks.
Obama has numerous flip-flops including his promise to repeal the Patriot Act and then votes to reauthorize it;
He is being funded by wall street and silicon valley billionaires;
He associated with racists, sexists, anti-semites and people who now in jail;
He repeatedly broke promises, used underhand political methods to get elected; and
He has no executive leadership experience, military experience, or business experience.
In summary, Obama has poor judgment, no integrity and lacks experience to be President.
Knowing all of this, which is public, how can anyone with morals and integrity support this man?
Funny, Obama is running on Judgement and that was all he had. Poor widdle Obama. Whaaa.
Puke!
Your powers of argumentation are simply stunning — if one thinks that faux baby talk is persuasive.
How about if you write a letter to the editor like this?
Believe, You’re as arrogant as that liar you worship!!!!
In logic, an argument is a set of one or more declarative sentences
That doesn’t include BO “talking points”
Here’s the reply I sent to DNC request for funds–
and the chance to (gag) meet the supreme fascist himself, BHO.
Sorry, David, but I don’t have time to meet Barack Hussein Obama. I’ll be busy outside the convention at a PUMA rally. And I don’t know anyone who wants to meet him. Everyone I know feels he isn’t fit to clean the White House, never mind occupy the Oval Office. As well, I’d rather eat my own vomit than listen to him speak from your teleprompter.
And, on another note, I don’t give money to fascists. All us gun-toting bitter low-information racist folk are aware that BHO is not the nominee, except in his own cocaine damaged mind.
Hillary or McCain ‘08!
PARTY UNITY MY ASS
Sincerely,
A proud member of
Just Say No Deal
PUMA
I Own My Vote
Citizens for McCain.
Great response. Keep up the good work!
PUMA POWER!!!
I hope you send a letter to the editor of your local paper with just those words! Please!
Love that!
Here is my last response to their email
Dear Howard Dean et all,
So I haven’t written expressing my rage at the Dem leadership for a couple weeks, Just been sitting back munching popcorn watching YOUR SELECTED, Presumptive Nominee, make you all look like fools for pushing this guy on the party, with you doing everything you could to drive Hillary out of the race, even resorting to stealing 4 of HER delegates. But as I watch I can’t help but wonder HOW you must be feeling. Do you feel as foolish as you look as Obama flip flops on FISA (hmm where’s that filibuster he promised in Feb?) public financing (how much money has the DNC raised lately? able to pay for the convention yet?) Iraq? etc. and it is only the beginning of July. It is bad enough when the man you chose has to give speeches claiming he is patriotic (must be that Anti American church he went to for 20 years, OR his friendship with Ayers, that makes people doubt him) but even I chuckled as I read the yahoo story about how he now has to convince America he is NOT the Anti Christ, I mean come on really is this all a bad joke and you are going to surprise us in Denver with the REAL Nominee? You know the one the voter (especially in the states after Wright and Ayers became well known) chose, Hillary?
Now I know people are starting to look into his house again that Rezko paid for his side yard since he couldn’t afford it again, because of his good mortgage, and things are looking really interesting in Chicago with Fitzgerald, so Lord knows what else will come out before Denver, but I don’t think it will be good for Obama. Speaking of Chicago, it sure seems like you were able to move the DNC there VERY quickly, moves like that usually takes some time to plan (months hmm when did you know Obama would be the nom?) and considering how your fundraising is going, was that the best use of your money.
Well I guess I’ll go now, have to read all my PUMA blogs, the movement is growing so fast, I have trouble keeping up with ALL the PUMA news.
No really, remember the SDs job were to make sure the most electable candidate is chosen as the Dem Nominee, there really is still plenty of time. But either way, I know I am at peace with MY decisions on who I will vote for, and I will sleep well at night, I wish the same for you. Lyn NJ
PS I cc’d some of the MSM like I try to do so you can not pretend you are not hearing from us.
Wow!Thats awesome. You make me proud!
Kind of what I did when I got their survey!
My favorite: “Obama is on his way being defined as well, let’s just say he is part Carter, part Dukakis and part Kerry and all Barack and not one iota of Clinton.”
Wonderful article..It is so true and so sad…but obambi must be stopped at all costs or sad will not begin to cover it.
If you truly believe in your candidate you dont have to threaten those who don’t. Scare Tactics.
This is a part of an email from Obama’s campaign, Puke
It will be an event that I…and BO…will never forget - when Hillary Clinton wins the nomination and the “REAL” party turns out to be for her!
PUMA POWER!!!
“Make a donation now and you could have a front row seat to history:”
lol lol Every hour of our lives we have a front row seat to history.
I’ve already seen Triumph of the Will. Hey, doesn’t Obama have someone filming him now? Obama has his own Leni!
Axelrod has been filming everything BO does, everything he says, everywhere he goes for the past 4 years. I mean EVERYTHING!
He began working on the messiah documentary before
BO even announced his candidacy.
Wow, the sex and coke parties too?
Ah, the faux believe is posting something. I think he or she thinks I care.
Believe you are schizophrenic, please take your medicine.
Today on NPR there were adds by both Mccain and Obama aimed at Hispanic voters. Maccin’s add talked about Hispanic names on the Vietnam memorial and the patriotism of Hispanics. Obama’s add had… You guessed it! A song in Spanish about “Obama, Obama, Obama”!
what are there going to masses with torches marching up to salute the comrad.
Kool Aid presents the Democratic convention. Yipee
What a dipshit. Now he’s raffling himself off? Boy, they must be really broke.
What do you want for dessert?
Hillary = Haagen Daz Creme de Leche
Obama = Kemps Plain Vanilla Frozen Yogurt
McCain = Steamed Cauliflower
This is how the majority of Americans and the VAST majority of Hillary supporters view their choice in this election.
Only the loonies at Hillary44 and NQ would consider voting for McCain as a way to “punish” Obama and the “sexist” media.
Oh…now the candidates are food??? Why don’t you kids go find something else to do?
Excellent article. The writing was on the wall… the floor and the ceiling too for that matter. It is so obvious that bobot was and is nothing more than a puppet. He is the candidate for big corporations, not little people. Those behind him have much experience rigging elections in third world countries, and even helped to create the Taliban (and Bin Laden). What is happening is very, very serious. The obamabots, raised on a steady diet of media hype, can’t focus on anything beyond the pretty color of the kool-aid.
Charles: great article. Thank you. I feel the exact same way. I can’t stand to hear Obama or see his face. I don’t watch the mass media anymore. Who knew there were so many elites in our party trying to take the power of the White House by undermining the party and its principles. I will not vote democratic this year and maybe never again. After 41 years there is no democracy in the democratic party and therefore does not deserve my vote. Obama is dangerous for America. He isn’t even a citizen of America. He is an illegitimate candidate.
This birth certificate stuff is just racist rubbish. It can easily be twisted around.
Can we see the McCain birth certificate? He was not born in the US? Is Chelsea really the daughter of Bill, McCain said she is the daugter of Janet Reno.
Who cares? Obama will lose anyway. Oh, enjoyed your typical, Obama kool aide drinkers joke. Very classy Mummy. Just words, just ignorant words.
Apples and oranges my dear!!!
So where is the actual birth certificate?
So where is the actual birth certificate?
A birth certificate needed to prove that Obama is a natural born citizen is now racist?
silly, any questions of Obama are considerred racist.
Franchitti, the 2007 Indianapolis 500 winner and IndyCar Series champion, lost his full-time ride Tuesday when team owner Chip Ganassi closed down the unsponsored No. 40 Dodge 17 races into Franchitti’s first season. The move also resulted in 71 layoffs.
So?
Great post, Charles Lemos. Obama scares me and I am 60 yrs old…don’t scare easy. Bush Jr irritated me and Reagan amused me but I knew we would get through them. This guy may be our downfall. I am still a registered Dem, hoping someone, somewhere will come to their senses and decide to nominate Hillary instead. I started out supporting Hillary or Joe Biden but Hillary won me over. I grew up in a home with a picture of FDR on the wall and now a picture of the Clintons is on my wall. I feel Hillary would be the closest to FDR of this generation. We need her now. PUMA
Charles, wonderful article. But one item missing:
**Frank Marshall Davis**
He was mentor to Obama with encouragement by the grandfather.
Can we get some coverage on this highly dubious association early in O’s life????
There are enough reasons to not support Obama. But this is not one of them.
I agree with your analysis! Good work! I think the RNC and the 527s are going to have to take “O” down. The voters in this country, by and large, and not getting the full story on him. How else can one explain the current polls? Senator McCain will probably stay on message, and also, the Senate tries to maintain decorum traditionally. I don’t think he will personally do the dirty work.
Everyone already knows about Wright and there were stories about Obama’s youthful drug use. Ayers got play in the primary season.
So what do you think can be used to “take him down?” The whitey tape?
His lying and arrogance will bring him down. I got my popcorn ready!
Most voters think both candidates spin and shade the truth. That’s expected from a politician!
Actually, your message does a tremendous disservice to the people coming up who would really like to make change without conforming. It was a disgusting knifing to Senator Clinton to say that she would do anything and say anything to get elected when it is obvious that he is of the same calibre.
… maybe Robert Blackwell and Killerspin (illegal bribes and money laundering)…
Sorry O Tubby one, most of the people I talk to in my business, have no idea about barky’s coke use. In fact most of Bush supporters still don’t know about his drug use. They’re both dirtbags.
no dude frank marshall davis .uncle frank to barky proud member of the comunist party of the united states otherwise known as the cpusa so chew on that and think how well thats going to go over with middle america.
Question:
Who did Obama arrange to have thrown off CNN for their coverage? I have to say I don’t remember anyone on CNN being anything but grossly biased against Clinton and idiotically effusive about Obama.
Love to know who you are referring to!
These folks make things up all the time.
Last week someone made claims about seeing something on a real estate site regarding Obama’s property and when I checked it, the site said it had no information for that property.
And I could give you other examples, too.
If you were a moral person, you would consider your actions on this blog from our perspective. You do not support our freedom of association. You pollute this site with your posts because you prefer to promote a totalitarian drone. O-bam-a. O=bam-a. You seek to end our contrary thoughts. You hate our thoughtcrime. You love Big Brother.
Who is preventing your freedom to associate? This is an open forum.
You prefer to only read views you agree with… now who’s the totalitarian drone?
You’re free to post here, FRANCIS, Larry didn’t ban you like we got banned from pro Barky sites. We’re asking you real nice like to get the hell out of here. You’re not wanted. Lurkers out there see you as rude and pushy…just like Barky.
please do. cite just one, just one example
betcha can’t
c’mon, we’re waiting…
Here is the web site showing no appreciation in this property at the last sale.
http://real-estate.nextag.com/propID_25495251/5046-S-Greenwood-Ave/Chicago/Illinois/homes-html
Scroll down the page and look for home sale statistics.
Carville, Begala and Somerville were removed by CNN in mid Janauary after Obama complained about their coverage. Clinton got Carville restored after about a three week hiatus. Begala was reinstated after five weeks. I don’t know about Somerville.
Exclusive: After Obama Complaints, CNN Bans James Carville And Paul Begala
this pic is so hillarioussssssssssss!!!!!
thx for the laugh ——
I too have zero compassion and will in fact, laugh my ass off when they lose in the general. Without us, they don’t have the votes to win.
But of course, we need to ‘get over it’???? Ah well, the truth is we won’t and the Obamazombies are doomed without us.
Then why is Obama ahead in every poll?
Obama should be crushing Mc Cain at this point with all the hatred of Bush in this country. But he is hovering around the margin of error.
Because people lie. The assumption is, if you’re a caucasian Democrat not voting for that fucking Chicago idiot, you MUST be a RACIST. No one wants to hear anything else…it spoils the meme.
Way easier to lie to the pollster.
Obamatrons–bad news for you…about one in five of your pro-Obama pals are lying to you to keep the peace.
No one wants to get a paper cut from flying race cards! Easier to bullshit you fools.
I do not think they will miss 20 bigots and around 300 supporters who hang round all the same sites.
You have some information to back up that use of the word “bigot,” sweetie?
All the posts on here claiming Obama is Muslim, the birth certificate rubbish, blacks do not know what they are doing. How much else? There is a real reason you do not support Obama and it has nothing to do with his experience (more bills than Hillary), his “associates” - same people as Hillary except she is associated with killing 41 of her other ones, or his position changes.
Wrong again. I have personally voted for him in the past for the U.S. Senate. But with all I have learned about him, never again.
you are a first class idiot. Site administrators should ban your stupid ass. you know nothing, and its not our responsibility to educate you. you are a child, taunting.
go get your blankey and go to bed.
It’s name is Mummy Smurf, it’s a moron. With bad taste in animation.
It’s harking back to it’s childhood…fifteen years ago.
Yet another teenaged BotAss playing the “pester” game. …. and if it’s out of its teens, it has no excuse unless it has cognitive shortfalls.
What they don’t get, because they’re fucking stupid, is that their trollish actions only demonstrate their desperation and motivate those of us who do not care for the Kool Aid.
Rather than spreading the “hope and change” word (because there isn’t any–look at what the idiot has done lately, the lying, bullshitting flip flopper) their only recourse is, with frantic eagerness, to bully and threaten anyone who hasn’t gotten the spirit on behalf of their pathetic little hero.
The more they pull this shit, the more motivated I am to speak to my friends and neighbors (you know, those old people who vote and don’t live on the internet) about what a fraud and phony that Chitown mobster is, and enourage them to get out and vote.
oh noooooo…the racist charge.
i do hope bo and his supporters keep saying this. at first, there was anger and indignation.
now, just a yawn.
More bills than Hillary? You better give Barry his bong back honey - you have over done it this time!
Laura west is believe
No I am not but why would you care if I was?? This is the internet.
Also, I am sure someone can check out my IP address, if they feel so inclined.
Nope. I’m believe - the real one.
how do you justify obama turning his back of low income housing residents in his ditrict so as to not offend rezko.dont tell me he just did not know it was his job to know what was going on in his district especially when it concers the least fourtunate.
Another incredibly coherent roadmap by Charles Lemos for all the would-be liberals who have been bamboozled, hoodwinked and switcherooed. You wouldn’t listen to reason. Now you’re under the bus with the rest of us, and it is not time to dispair. Work to fix this thing, or prepare for senior citizen identity politics: it aint’ pretty.
Charles, Very good post. I feel the anger and the frustration myself. These fools. It is laughable that some of them are still rationalizing knowing very well that he has fooled them — they think his ability to fool them is good political strategy, his ability to pander and be all things to all people at various times is GE strategy. Where do they find them? Absolute fools taken for a ride from a fraud but otherwise substantively incompetent politician.
No Quarter has had two excellent posts today along the same lines. This one which reads the riot act to Obama’s followers and the post by Uppity Woman, “The Number is Growing Do. Not. Want. Barack. Obama.” which reads the riot act to certain cable and Party pundits.
I hope that soon one of the in-the-know No Quarter bloggers will read the riot act to Obama’s major Congressional and Party leader supporters….for example Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Rockefeller, Carter, Hart, Richardson, etc.
I do not understand how these people can be supporting this fraud. I consider their part in this farce to be malfeasance in office if not down right criminal. But all I have to go by is some common sense and little bits and pieces of information I can gather from the internet and other news sources.
Somebody needs to shine a light on what is going on inside the Democratic Party.
Obama’s the nominee because he won two-thirds of the nomination contests, many by very large margins.
Obama knew how to win delegates - which is how the party picks nominees. Clinton, not so much.
Maybe if you wanted Clinton as the nominee, you should have helped her, you know, win more than one-third of the contests.
I wonder what Jimmy Carter who won the Nobel Peace Prize in part for his efforts in overseeing fair elections around the world would have to say about the Democratic nomination process. Would it pass his standards for a fair election?
You know there are some really disturbing rumors that have been going around about the way many of the caucuses were conducted, about election irregularities in North Carolina and Indiana and Texas. And, of course, there is the troublesome little problem of Michigan and Florida.
Fair, REPRESENTATIVE election. What do you say Mr Carter?
It seems like a pretty good guess to me that Carter is supporting Obama because he expects him to take a new approach with the Palestinian issue. So, what a dilemma for Carter. Get what he considers justice for the Palestinians by disenfranchising 18 million ++++ voters in the US and installing a puppet fraud, using Webster Tarpley’s expression, through a Post Modern Coup.
Hypocrites! Any Democrat who supports Obama’s status as the presumptive nominee is a STINKING hypocrite!!!!!
You seem to have forgotten New York for some reason (maybe votes of black people count for less). Are you really saying Obama got no votes from the Bronx? Well it will not happen again - we are watching.
You seem to have forgotten New York for some reason (maybe votes of black people count for less). Could they count for less than the one-half that they counted for in Michigan and Florida? Are you really saying Obama got no votes from the Bronx? Are YOU saying that Black New Yorkers ONLY live in the BRONX? Well, Yes. That is what you are saying. Imagine. What would be the reaction of anyone other than an Obama supporter took such a stance … Well it will not happen again - we are watching.
Watch all you want, sweetie … I understand that the Obama campaign is the one objecting to any observers …. hmmmmmmmmmmmm. What do you think that says, sweetie?
You know what would in no way pass international muster?
Elections where candidates can’t campaign and where one major candidate is on the ballot — You know, like FL AND MI.
And don’t say, “He took his name off the ballot.” Well, so did Mbeki’s opponent.
This is AMERICA, sweetie. We know who did everything to block revotes in Michigan and Florida? No one here gives him a pass on disenfranchising voters. NO ONE.
You are misinformed. Obama would have won a MI revote and Clinton would have won FL. Everyone read those polls. Given that, they didn’t want to spend the time and money and both candidates didn’t pursue them with vigor.
the losers are all living their fantasy through obama:
McGovern, Carter, Gore, Kennedy, Kerry, Dean.
nothing nobel, they won’t listen. they are nothing more than fragile egos.
Believe , Obama’s name was on the ballot here in Florida and he ran ads. He’s a cheating SOB! Get your story’s straight!!!!
Yes, let’s call in an international vote monitoring group and see if Obama and the DNC’s Rules Committee’s tactics would be allowed on the world stage. Not to mention the caucus arm-twisting.
You want Proof? I saw it first hand at the caucus in Texas and proof has been submitted. Stay tuned because it will all be public soon.
blah blah.
shoo fly, shoo.
Ladies, when a troll comes around with their arrogamnt bullshit about RvW and SCOTUS please fire back with this:
Obama was the lone “present” vote on legislation allowing the victims of rape and other sex crimes to have their court records sealed.
He’s looking out for you.
barky/wright 08
come for the preening
stay for the prancing
argument
sorry
Voting “Present” is a way of generally recording support for specific provisions in a bill that is otherwise badly written or wrong overall. It is an option in the Illionois legislature.
So try another card.
OMG… you will defend anything!!
What is so amusing about her argument is that when Obama first ran for the Illinois Senate, he said voting present was a tool that Republicans used so they would not have to take a principled stance (reported in the Sun-Times). Now that is change you can believe in.
And McCain’s changed his position on lots of things. You act as if that’s unusual for a politician to shift or something.
They all do it. The American people know that. And it doesn’t bother them, not when there’s an economy in the dumpster, high gas prices, and a stupid war on.
Not usually in the course of four hours!
You are a lost soul. Your addiction to Obama has taken over your critical thinking and reasoning skills.
“come for the preening
stay for the prancing”
Scott, thst’s hysterical–my first laugh of the day. Thanks!
“As per the very junior Senator from Illinois, I simply find him odious and duplicitous. Is there a better description of the very junior Senator from Illinois than duplicitous? I think not.”
Charles, found this in your bio at your website.
I too think not.
trolls please don’t waste a comment. thx.
Thank you, Charles, for your amazingly clear, right- on-message article. You have covered every objection that I have had about BO’s presumptuous candidacy. Someone on one of the talk radio shows earlier today said that BO behaves like a “ruler” not a “leader.” That additionally resonated with me and my thoughts/feelings about him. GWB has been labeled as such, King George, and I for one am tired of having someone in the White House, our supposed democracy, that appears as a “crowned” figure-head. To me BO is to the left, what GWB is to the right.
BO is not someone I respect because of all of his lies, etc. I also don’t respect GWB because of all of his lies. Yes, we can say that lying is the nature of the political beast, but being lied to weakens us and weakens the liar. A person of principle emanates strength and inspires people. That is why someone like MLK, Gandhi, FDR will be forever inspirational. They stood strong on their principles/truth, strengthening them and greatly inspiring those around them. BO has none of those qualities and probably will never have them. I for one have never trusted him—it’s a “gut” reaction and after the last couple of weeks, his “shiftiness” has only confirmed my gut instinct about his deceiving ways.
Charles
perhaps the best summary to date, a beautifully compiled set of facts that are the core of the PUMA/JUST SAY NO DEAL ethos behind our choice to not support this candidate..
thank you.
Strange that with all the ammunition out there to start really vetting this guy and exposing him the MSM is still not doing anything. Makes one wonder who’s behind whom. Obviously the Republicans want him to secure the nomination before they ‘do’ anything. That makes one wonder what kind of proof they have that BO is a fraud, it must be very bad if it could jeopardize his nomination and give Clinton a real chance. Great, great article. Obama’s followers with their tired, hopeless rationalizations are pathetic and tragic.
Obama will lose and as I suspect McCain will pick of Charlie Crist as VP..Then it will be a slaughter. Obama will talk about Heath Care Crist …Done that
Obama talk about energy reform Crist… Done that
Obama talk about environment Crist… Done that
Civil rights Crist….Done That
McCain/Crist Ticket is a winning ticket everywhere
Obama is the worst candidate that the democrats have advanced in my life time. It was done purely because of his race. No way could it have been on the content of his character – he has none.
It was “done.” What does that mean?
Obama is the nominee because he won two-thirds of the nomination contests, with a larger average margin than Clinton’s. What he did was WIN.
he still needed the supers and he paid them off.
shoo fly, shoo.
Blah blah blah lie lie lie
He is NOT the nominee. Why can’t you get that through your thick skull?
Well written Charles.
Can’t think of anything else to say about this utterly corrupt Chicago fraud.
You said it all.
Thanks.
I certainly hope the RNC or PUMA runs an ad with Obama refusing to put his hand over his heart during the National Anthem. That video is so telling. I have changed a few Obama supporters minds with that video. Plus, one of my coworkers sent it to her granddaughter in the military (she has 3 grandkids in the military) and her granddaughter said, “OPh, Grandma! Do not vote for him. He is an idiot!” She told me that many soldiers will not vote for Obama because they feel he does not support them
I went to a parade in my town on the 4th of July and the Star Spangled Banner was sung. I looked around and NO ONE had their hand on their hearts, including the people who were singing. And this is a crowd that just clapped and clapped for all the veterans going by.
Where do you live? How large is your town?
we don’t believe anything you say at this point!!
You are obviously not from a military area. They still stand in the movie theatres here before movies starts. On base of course. Barky is toast with that photo.
Believe,
I went to a parade in my town on the 4th of July and the Star Spangled Banner was sung. I looked around and NO ONE had their hand on their hearts, including the people who were singing. And this is a crowd that just clapped and clapped for all the veterans going by.
Shows exactly how out of touch you are,it isn’t the Star Spangled Banner where people cover their hearts,it’s the National Anthem!Wake UP!
Well barky didn’t know the difference between Memorial Day and Veterans Day…par for the course, I’d say.
Moscow?
Obama trolls - instead of attacking every comment here - enlighten us - give us a list of Obama’s accomplishments. You have a chance to really convert some good democrats here.
So, which accomplishment would you like to start with?
Laura West, Believe and whoever else - enlighten us!!!!!
They do not realize that by coming here with their prepared and recycled propaganda, they are achieving the opposite. They just strengthen people resolve.
You don’t ever answer an argument with logic or evidence but instead characterize people with whom you disagree.
Why it that?
I think you have a comprehension problem. I know your answer will be: personal attack.
Yet you didn’t answer Judy? Give us an actual fact based accomplishment. Just one.
You know what, that’s a very good point, that is exactly what it does.
ditto that.
please, we’re waiting.
They’ll never convert me…I know a skunk when I smell one!!!
Crist Gay Rumors….You mean Larry Sinclair?
If Crist is McCain VP I will guarantee they win in a landslide…They would win FL, Crist birth place Pennsylvania and VA….McCain was in trouble in VA until Crist save him there… The Latino community loves Crist
McCain will probably win FL. He won’t win PA. VA is a tossup. And the religious right may not accept Crist on the ticket because he was such a regular at the gay bars.
And you’re still bringing up Larry Sinclair, the guy who failed the lie detector test, was arrested multiple times for fraud, and couldn’t get a lawyer who wears PANTS? Yet another reason why this site is a joke.
Sinclair has more credibility than Obama. At least he’s honest about his history.
Right. The guy with multiple fraud convictions and warrants out for more.
And you would know crist was in the gay bars because…..You were in the gay bars???
More information on Crist hes getting married in 2 weeks, been married once before and hes the biggest GOP fundraiser out there
Crist is getting married - oh does his new wife need a passport or is he looking for the VP Post?
You’re not very bright, are you???
Charlie Crist would be an awesome choice. He may not appeal to the more conservative GOP, but he is well like in the south overall.
Linda Crist PA roots will give them the win in PA, and FL will go Crist….The Latino’s love Crist in VA…They would lose BIG
Rather unlikely, since vp picks have virtually no impact on the outcome of elections and Obama is currently winning Hispanics 2-1. Besides Hispanics in FL are Cuban and Hispanics elsewhere in the US are not.
The thing that irritates me most about trolls is that they make up facts and present them as real. Are we supposed to believe that somehow these dummies have inside information on things and have scientific studies and reports to glean facts from?
Well people, they don’t. They just make up shit.
And this BS such ” most” Americans think this or that. I call Bullshit and you idiots are getting on my last nerve.
I can’t let this re-write, this WORM on faith-based tax spending or PARTNERSHIP, pass without another re-write:
Charlie Crist record will stand up against any Dem
We love Charlie….He has kept all of his campaign promises!!!
I see we have the second shift of Obama trolls coming by to convert us. Tsk Tsk…when will they learn that NOTHING they do or say [ other than Obama dropping out of the election ] will ever change our minds.
For people that HATE what we do and say here, we seem to attract quite a few of Backtrack Obama’s disciples.
Obama is not ahead in Florida polls….hes leading by 4 nationally ….he has all that money and the media and is only up 4……I say LOSER
You’re cherrypicking again!
But, yes, he’ll probably lose FL but he will most likely win CO, NM, NH, IO, PA, OH, and MI - among others.
Do yourself a favor. Don’t come back here till October 1.
No. Not Ohio. We will work hard as hell to make sure that John McCain turns it red. Again. Democrats need to nominate a centrist Democrat if they want to win Ohio.
But this diary says he IS a centrist with a low score with Progressive Punch. So you mean that this diary is not right?
Obama will NOT win CO. That’s a DEM spin.
Charles, I have to say, this is one of the most impressive diaries I have read on NQ. Kudos.
Laura, I am college educated. More importantly I am reasonably intelligent and a fair judge of character and that’s why I see Obama for what he is.
It amazes me how so many intelligent people have been taken in by this mountebank.
I live in an area that has one of the highest concentrations of university and post graduates degrees of anywhere in the country, in the midst of Silicon valley and Stanford. UC Berkeley across the bay. Incomes are high here, very upper middle class.
This is a group of people who like to be identified as liberals because they have a liberal group think, liberal is fashionalbe. They are into group identity. The car they drive must be fashion statement, the private school they send their kids to is a fashion statement, where they shop is a fashion statement. you are looked down upon for driving the wrong make of car. What is the correct one this year, Mercedes or Lexus, it is so confusing to keep up with changing fashion.
But these people are conflicted by the privilege of their status and wealth, and their self identification of liberal. They begin to feel guilty calling themselves liberals and living what they have been told should be the traditional Republican lifestyle. They absolve their guilt by symbolism, because symbols are all they have. They are really disconnected from the world and their own communities because of all the guilt absolution required to join various social groups to make them feel better about themselves.
Obama has become a symbol to them of absolving this guilt. They know nothing about him or his policies. But it makes them feel like a true liberal to wear Obama as a fashion statement. they think they are not racist or identifying with inner city blacks by putting an Obama bumper sticker on their Mercedes or Lexus SUV.
I saw this same pattern in the mid 1970’s among this same upper middle class suburbanite. They had to prove to each other how liberally urban they were by inviting the token black or token gay to their Saturday night cocktail party. It’s all about guilt.
Yes, I do agree with you in that Uppity!
Maybe these Trolls will do some independent thinking and come to the realization that their “Messiah” is not what they think him to be!
It will save them alot of heartbreak if they would only open their eyes and SEE what he really is and who actually OWNS him! The truth is out there.
Free your mind and your ass will follow!
No one considers him to be a messiah and continuing to use that terminology is not only insulting but shows a lack of commitment to rational analysis.
The truth hurts, doesn’t it.
The truth is that no Obama supporter EVER thought he was a Messiah. I really don’t know why you think it’s helpful to your point of view to continue to say this. Does it make you feel superior or something?
Doesn’t matter what you say it’s how you behave and you behave like he is the Messiah!!!
Fake Messiah’s are exposed as empty suits for all to see and usually suffer a precipitous fall.
There was only one Messiah who cared more about us than self.
There is only one candidate that cares more about country than self.
McCain Rising!!
Go read the blogs on Cnn Pardner. YOu can not read a single ticker without some star struck Obamazombie claiming he has been sent from heaven to save the masses.
The truth is that you have not done any research on other Obama supporters. In the short documentary produced by mainstream media that I saw there were Obama supporters saying that he was CHOSEN by God to be president. Leave here and go look. Keep an open mind and go through some youtube material. Then, come back and apologize.
Sure it does!
To all Obama supporters: We P.U.M.As are not twisted or deranged. We’re people who care about our country. We are loyal to our country and will not allow Obama to be president. There are 8.2 million who are mobilizing and organizing do make sure our message is made loud and clear.
From the pundits you will hear “some HRC supporters will stay home, vote 3rd party, write in a candidate, but, those pundits are wrong. We will vote Republican, for our country. Notice, McCain’s campaign isn’t even trying hard to discredit anything against your empty suit? Why waste the money. They’ve got this election sewn up.
I don’t care to hear your empty inflamatory remarks against hard working people who pay the most taxes in this country. If you have any doubts at what I write… the DNC is pretty broke. They lost 18 million voters who really did the supporting of our party. Oh, well… they didn’t needs us.
Personally, I’d rather have a war hero who loves his country, than a questionable candidate who has questionable friends.
Well a war hero to me is someone who will not declare illegal wars and opposes tortures. mcWar will continue the Bush Middle East agenda that has made America and Americans hated across the World.
Hard working Americans are the ones who pay the taxes. McCain will give tax breaks to the rich. Obama has targeted tax cuts for the lowest paid and middle America.
As for evidence of 8.2 million supporters where is it? OK some democrats may be unhappy but all you lot represent are each other. There are the same posters on here day after day and you could not even pull off a decent protest.
ha ha! you are in a trap! McCain is not Bush III, Obama is. ha ha ha ha. just wait, by august there will be no difference between bush and obama. after all , faith based initiatives! withdrawing from iraq withdrawal!
he’s running on judgment?
the best thing is seeing how you all whine and whine when y ou lose. that will be sweet, sweetied!
There are a lot of people who readn NQ and do not post because they agree with the regular posters. You don’t have to post to show you are part of the group.
What are you talking about?
One of the really telling parts of this diary is citing a ranking of voting records from a site that is so little known that it has THREE HITS on the part of Google that tracks news stories. And all of those hits go to a single web site.
http://news.google.com/news?q=%22progressive%20punch%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wn
That tells you the poor quality of sources relied on.
I don’t give a fucking rat’s ass about how many hits a website has, or even Face Book or whatever you idiots seem to equate with a successful coalition… What I DO truly care about is the state of this country following the current administration’s abuse of power and their crimes against this country’s people. Their war profiteering, and the lies and manipulations by the Republican party. The damage done to this country and the world have not even come to light yet. And the only way to even begin to recover is to get back to our country’s original ideals and principals of a government FOR the people and BY the people. We must take back our government from the big corporate interests.
McCain and Obama will NOT insure this to happen. Obama is for sale to the highest bidder and anyone to refute this is clearly wearing blinders. You all are pathetic. PUMA and Just Say No Deal supporters DO NOT fall into some insignificant little group of malcontents. And not all PUMAS will vote for McCain, either.
Yeh, we are malcontented, but our primary goal is to bring tansparency back and our original ideals to the Democratic Party. If we don’t question our party leaders and hold them accounatable for their grievous actions, who will? If WE don’t question and hold accountable our elected officials, who will?? How can you in all honesty DEFEND Obama’s candidacy? How can you accept his trivial excuses on real and worrysome issues and controversies that seem to surround him? At least QUESTION him for God’s sake! Make him ACCOUNTABLE - so far, he has been given a relatively free pass on everything.
Come on, folks!! WAKE UP!! We really need to weed out the corporate whores who have abused their power for their own gain. The greed needs to stop now.
Obama is causing me so much “mental distress” that I think I’m going to have to abort my vote for him.
I’ve consulted my pastor, my husband, my father, the guy who runs the liquor store, my teenage son and my paper boy. They’ve all given me their permission. Are there any other men Obama thinks I should consult before I make my final decision?
Periodically, when you get to feeling down, Vera, you just have to go out and have a late-term abortion when you’re feeling blue. I’m glad you’re getting it cleared first, but don’t forget to ask Obama’s Religious Council what they think.
Nice shot, sharpshooter
Nice shot, sharpshooter.
Charles Great analysis. I agree - thats why after being a Democrat who has never voted for Republicans I am now an Independent. James Carville and Paul Begala were both banned from CNN. I wrote with thousands of others criticizing them and for them having others on who were obviously Obama backers as guest commentators. I would like to know more about the overseas donations to Obama. I believe I read that they were having a hard time keeping track of his donors because he had so many. Now maybe they don’t want us to know. Just a thought. I would like to read more on this.
When you are on a campaign’s staff as an advisor, you can’t be on the air as a neutral pundit. That’s Journalism 101.
Great article Charles. The bots are so confused by having to read, they aren’t making any sense whatsoever. I think you made them nervous!
Thank you very much.
After reading a bunch of overtly right wing commentators and sites, I have to say - This site is more optimistic (nay, certain) of a McCain win than ANY of them. The Republicans actually sound pretty worried.
Why don’t you add your views to, you know, cheer them up?
Paul Begala and James Carville were not on anyone staff at least thats what was said on CNN.
I wrote and called my representatives, Betty McCullum and Amy Klobuchar today and asked them speak out publicly in favor of an open and honest convention in Denver. And that will mean a roll call vote with Obama’s and Clinton’s names placed in nomination so that their supporters are able to fulfill their pledge to vote as the citizens of their states directed them to.
This isn’t about Obama or Clinton it is about showing respect for and honoring 36 MILLION voters who got out REGARDLESS OF THE WEATHER OR OTHER CIRCUMSTANCES AND VOTED.
I reminded both of them that there has been ENOUGH CHEATING FOR SENATOR OBAMA and if he can’t hold his own at the convention then he shouldn’t be the nominee.
But, it is the one thing I have in common with the Obama supporter mentioned in this post:
My representatives ignore me too. I asked Betty McCollum’s aide for a written reply from Representative McCullum outlining the actions she took on behalf of a fair and open Convention or if she fails to support a fair and open Convention I want to know why.
I will share what she writes and let you know if she just blows me off.
Good luck with Klobaucher Betty…I e-mailed her long ago and she was drinking the kool-aid long before the primary was over. I worked hard to help her get elected, but that won’t happen again!
Charles you are one angry fucked up dude. I hope you’re able to find some help. Life is short. Try to enjoy some of it.
You choose the moniker applesauce and you think someone will take you seriously….funny.
There are two problems with Firedoglake’s article.
1) Obama himself has said McCain is not George Bush and would make a better president.(So that one goes out the window, can’t use it. They can turn his own words on him if he tries it now.)
2) Obama has done quite nicely at defining himself with no help whatsoever from the Republicans.(NAFTA, FISA, Faith based groups, campaign financing, health care, Iraq, etc..etc)He himself has given the Republican’s all the ammunition they need. All they have to do is use the video’s with his own words to get the word out to the people. They don’t even have to bring in any outside groups/sources.
The clanking you hear in Barak Obama’s closet is Larry Sinclair. Rattle, rattle, toil and battle. Conscionably, innocently, Larry Sinclair wanted Barak Obama to fess up, “own up” as we say in the west, to crack cocaine use back in 1999. Asking people to vote for you to be President of the United States when you are a crack cocaine user just wasn’t something Larry Sinclair thought was right. He felt so strongly about the issue, that he advised the Obama Campaign that he thought Obama should tell the truth about his drug use! The nerve of the Guy!
So what does Obama do to stop Larry Sinclair from telling the truth about the crack cocaine use? Not what you would expect. Rather than addressing the issue himself, Obama uses a messenger in the form of Donald Young, a gay Choir Director from Trinity Church in Chicago, to call Larry Sinclair. Donald Young comes right out and asks Larry Sinclair why he did not mention the sexual relationship that Obama and Sinclair shared? Now, see, Larry Sinclair didn’t even want that known. That was a non-issue. The crack cocaine use was the important thing to Larry Sinclair. “Just tell people you use crack cocaine more recently than you claim, Mr. Obama.” That is all Larry Sinclair wanted. But that wasn’t what he got.
Gosh! Those were the good ‘ol days! A very short time ago, life was simple for the Sinclair family, wasn’t it? Donald Young, the messenger, was still alive. You do know, he has been murdered. Harassing emails weren’t a problem for Larry, back then. The person who threatened Larry Sinclair’s life and his Mother’s life wasn’t even in the picture, much less the FBI who refused charges filed against same. Back then you would had to have laughed out loud to think Larry Sinclair, with all his faults, could be important enough for the Attorney General of Delaware to take action in a trumped up case, use taxpayer expense money to travel to Washington, D.C.. and file charges for, what was that?…. say that again!…..Unknown Charges? And then he had the case sealed? Unbelievable!
Whew! Time went by fast. What has happened since is classic textbook coverup. Obama’s paid crew have issued a battery of allegations of criminal acts to discredit Larry Sinclair. The campaign has used positions in government to attempt to render him penniless and helpless to defend himself, and there are threats of physical violence against him and his supporters. There is a tome of harassing emails from the paid Obama smear crew spewing filthy language that is not fit to be in print. It is all there, folks. What Not To Do If Someone Knows Something About You - 101.
The Main Stream Media has taken a huge shopping spree, buying up everything offered in the Obama Cover-up Store! They have bought into the lies and smears, lock, stock and barrell, without looking into the facts, without asking a single question, or showing a modicum of respect to an American, Larry Sinclair, who bravely asked that the truth be told. The Main Stream Media is as guilty as Obama when it comes to the cover-up of this story! Shame on them!
Over the 4th of July, I saw a program on an Italian fireworks master and how those displays were created. I saw the Boston barge loaded with the show, ready for the celebration. It is amazing stuff. Couldn’t help thinking about the explosion that is going to happen when a decent Investigative Reporter takes all the information that Larry Sinclair has made available and writes, really writes, this story.
I just read this article and immediately donated 50$ to Obama. With all the crap you guys are doing to him I am very scared mcsame might be our next president. And if he is you all will be to blame. And the really dumb thing is that if mcsame becomes the president and completely destroys this country you people will probably be screaming the loudest about how we need to get rid of him. And it will be your fault he has the oppurtunity to continue the bush regime.
And I’m sure your parents appreciate you using their credit card.
Ignore dose. Another troll.
They pick such odd names. Isn’t dose gonorhea?
Pumas are the true patriots. They want to right a wrong. They realize that the Dems have a flawed candidate who cannot win in November. Pumas also realize Obama was chosen through crooked tactics and prior decisions. He has been the chosen one fromn waaaaaay back. Isn’t this obvious? The Republicans won’t even be getting tough until after August. They want to make sure that Hillary is not in the picture, and then go for Obama’s jugular…easy prey.. can you blame them?
They wouldn’t have stood a chance with Hillary as the candidate. A certain wing of the Dems has decided that they hate Hillary Clinton more than they want to win in November.
Now let us remember McGovern, Dukakis, Kerry, and alas a “winner”, Jimmy Carter.
John McCain, the moderate Republican is a clear and easy choice compared to Barack Obama. Pumas are willing to make the sacrifice to make better the whole picture.
The delusions of the Obama followers match the delusions of their candidate–what quickly comes to mind is the “presidential seal”, and now “accepting his nomination” , not in the convention hall but in a football stadium where he can grandstand even more…me, me, me…totally self-absorbed. Actually, I think the guy is mentally ill.
Thank you for the article, Mr. Lemos.
You’ve painted a very clear picture of destruction ahead all because of a bunch of zombie cult types who couldn’t see past
pretty words.
God help us all.
You are not patriots you are just as bad as bush, people like you won’t be happy until mccain is elected and he finishes destroying our country. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Whatever! Who do you think is pulling Obama’s strings?
If you haven’t heard Obama is the new Bush, you should be proud.
More like: A certain wing of the Dems has decided that they hate Hillary Clinton more than they Love Their Country.
Obamabots out in force tonight!
Why do you waste time here? It can’t be for the pittance of a pay you?
Please one Obamabot, any of you, can you tell me if Obama’s health care plan is universal and where does he stand on abortion? Any of you able to answer a simple question about issues?
You’re asking Obamanuts about issues??? Thanks for the laugh tonight.
The $50 “Dose” just donated to Comrade Obama has paid for the little teenager Obamabots here tonight. Obama, Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Dorhn, Farrakhan, Pfleger and Co. all send their thanks to you.
Is “Dose” in honor of the Kool-Aide you’ve been gulping?
Better than paying $50 to pay for more white sheets. No more bigotry. Look forward to President Obama.
Sure…keep thinking that. It only gets worse from here.
Really, Mr. Lemos? All Obama supporters are either delusional cultists or idiots?
There’s nothing quite like blowing your credibility totally to hell with your opening volley.
You might want to consider the possibility that there are some who are neither delusional cultists nor idiots, who simply don’t happen to share your opinion. My own experience is that the great majority of Obama supporters tend to be open-minded, flexible thinkers, and quite intelligent. I haven’t met any that I’d think of as intellectually challenged. Which, I might add, isn’t necessarily true of some on the other side of party lines.
And here’s a hot tip for you: If you’re hoping to convince such people of the merits of your own position by writing an article that lays out your arguments, it’s generally not a good idea to insult them with your opening paragraph. They won’t be exactly eager to read the rest of what you have to say.
Of course, what we actually have here isn’t really a thoughtful effort to reach out to the unconverted. It’s a sermon for the choir.
I would vote a third term for GWB before I would vote for BHO! BHO was selected by the few, not elected by the people. PUMA! The party turned their backs on us, now 18 million of us are turning our backs on the party. They blatantly bragg that they don’t need us. Fine, because they won’t have us! BTW..BHO can claim one big accomplishment. He was able to turn 18 million Dems to Republicans in a six month period.
18 million? Do not kid yourself. 18 maybe. You have to include the cat lady Harriet Christian and then you have about 19 left. Real Hillary supporters now back Obama.
BRAVO!!! Wow, so well said. Thank you.
I would vote a third term for GWB before I would vote for BHO! BHO was selected by the few, not elected by the people. PUMA! The party turned their backs on us, now 18 million of us are turning our backs on the party. BHO can claim one accomplishment, he was able to turn 18 million Dems into Republicans in a six month period!
Of course the Obamabots cannot answer any questions regarding his policies, or defend his record as a public servant. His extreme abortion stance (I believe the following is accurate) is disturbing:
Barack Obama effectively voted for INFANTICIDE when he defeated the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (SB 1661 2002) a bill that simply said that you could not kill an infant who survived an abortion. This bill was not opposed by the National Abortions Rights Action League nor Hillary Clinton or other liberal Dems.
So if an infant survives an abortion, Obama voted to kill it anyway. Loose change.
So on this site which is it? Are you anti Obama for being too pro life or too pro choice? How did Hillary vote?
Repug talking point that is all. Talk about keeping people in jobs and homes.
Hillary voted in favor of the Infants Born Alive Act. BO voted against it
Why are pro-Obama bloggers on this site? Don’t they have anywhere else to go? Why do they bother coming here?
Have they been thrown under the bus and they don’t even know it? Do they need intervention and a transition to be PUMA’s? The light is shinning, walk into the light and welcome, you are a PUMA now. There, there, the Obama guy can not dissect your brain anymore. You will heal. Yes I know it hurts, but the pain will diminish with time.
Possibly earning their “brownie” points?
Let’s see, Laura West 235 points, 58320th place - tied (only 1 point more to move up)
GO LAURA (meaning go back to your barky site)
The trolls want to check out the PUMA blogs because they need a breath of authentic air.
For a Bush third term vote Obama. He is clinging to Bush issues more than McCain for sure. Obama and his flip flops will do him in. His own base is leaving him and the middle he is working so hard for is a lot of Hillary people that went independant already because of him.He doesnt need anyone though. All old and new voters are now being investagated as so many dead people have voted in primary.
There are so many claims of abuse its hard to get to them but they will. I see a lot of lawsuits comeing up,make him spend his money.sooo cases of abuse in texas so far.They got a warning there I believe.
He is not the pres. or even nominee but someone has to tell him. He figures if he acts like it people will believe. Not any more he out played that hand too.No Obama Pumas are on the right track you go pumas!
Obama is Bush’s 3rd term?!
With 95% of McCain’s Senate votes in agreement with George W. Bush?
With McCain in total support of the War? And flip-flopping over to the Bush camp on the Bush tax cuts? And wanting to privatize Social Security? And offering us essentially the same energy policy?
They’ve washed your brain, and hung it outside on the line to dry. I suggest you might want to retrieve it.
well lets welcome them in.Everyone needs a rest from the rightous one.Maybe the light will shine, angelic choirs will sing, and they will get there epithany of truth that Obama is on his way out. Jump that train and join winners . Hillary at convention. A Winner for us all. to get her 4 us is a nice place to be.
You hit that out of the park.
Right on the money!!!
mommy surf you have been in smurf village to long sweetie.Real Hillary supporters believe what she told us. Dont let anyone tell you you cannt or shouldnt . You keep getting up and fight and you will win. That looks to me what PUMAS have been doing, just as I see it.
guess the trolls all went home like nice little trolls. night all
The problem with the Born Alive Infants Protection Act is that it was never intended by those who crafted it to do only what its name implies. Instead, it was designed as a means of legal attack on abortion rights in general. It does this by conferring the same legal rights and protections on any delivered fetus as a on a viable child. Thus, any physician who performs an abortion procedure could face criminal charges if an aborted fetus were momentarily “living”, and if all measures were not subsequently used to sustain its life.
It’s all too easy to pose hypothetical situations where the Act seems utterly morally responsible, and then to ask Who could possible vote against such a bill?
But suppose, for example, that a doctor is assisting a mother who has decided on the late-termination of her pregnancy because she’s discovered she’s carrying an anacephalic fetus. Her late-term abortion might result in the delivery of a fetus that is momentarily (and purely technically) “living”. What then?
There’s always this pro-life tendency to cast the pro-choice people as being pro-abortion. The truth is, hardly one is actually pro-abortion. There are just those who recognize that morality is far more complex than some like to think. That’s why they support legal availibility of abortion and a woman’s right to make her own decision.
I am positive that the right wing is responsible for his sudden rise, and the insane avalanche of megabucks. They are certainly responsible for many of his caucus wins.
This guy is right wing orchestrated. He knows who his daddy is.
“His votes in the Senate were more pro-Bush than Hillary’s, than Biden’s, than Dodd’s, than Edwards’. Progressive Punch ranked Obama the 42nd most progressive member of the Senate. There are 49 Democrats and one Socialist and one “Independent” in the Democratic Caucus.”
An opposing view:
A few months ago the neocon’s worst fear was a Clinton back in the White House. Some right wing strategists thought they’d play off Obama against Hillary Clinton, who’s been their political enemy for years. They made a gross miscalculation. Now they’re frantically backpeddaling, trying to make nice toward Hillary Clinton and use her against Obama.
Polls indicate even republicans are crossing over to the Obama camp. McCain keeps trying to shake off the Bush legacy, but he can’t make the disconnect because he’s an obvious bearer of Bush policies. Anybody can see that. Bush is hanging around John’s neck like an albatros.
Obama doesn’t scare right wingers because he’s inept. He scares them because they’ve realized he’s highly competent. When he says change, they’re afraid he may really mean it.
This is why the republicans are now your “friends”. Their only hope is to try to exploit the division in the democratic party.
Thank you for this piece. For so long I’ve thought that Obama was the least progressive Democratic candidate and the one least willing to carry forth the principles of the Democratic Party.
I agree that the evidence was there for anyone who took the time to look. Obama possesses enough of a record in the Illinois and U.S. Senates to enable anyone to see that he is not who he pretends to be (or pretended to be during the primaries). For instance, the Boston Globe ran an article last September about Obama’s efforts to make health care affordable for all Illinois residents. “The bill originally called for a ‘Bipartisan Health Care Reform Commission’ to implement a program reaching all 12.4 million Illinois residents.” By the time he was through, all Obama had gotten passed was a bill that stated universal health care should be “a policy goal instead of state policy”. “(T)he proposed commission, renamed the Adequate Health Care Task Force, was charged only with studying how to expand healthcare access.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/09/23/in_illinois_obama_dealt_with_lobbyists/
Illinois Senate President Emil Jones made sure that it was Obama who became the high-profile sponsor of legislation instead of other senators who had been pushing for the bills for years (hardly the mark of a leader).
http://www.houston-press.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full
Regarding abortion, Illinois NOW President Bonnie Grabenhofer is less than impressed with Obama’s “present” votes:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/obama-present-votes-on-_b_84312.html
No one should be surprised that there is no there there. The only change Obama stands for is the number of times he changes positions.
Doh! so many comments made by trolls, guess they don’t understand than stupid trolls just make us more determinate against Obama. Counted more than 50 comments by believe my response to you is $50 donation for McCain and $50 for PUMA.
No it is not. It’s actually very simple. Either you believe that women have bodily autonomy or you don’t. It’s a simple yes-no.
That vote on the Born Alive actbtw is about the ONLY thing BO has done that I agreed with. But since he has changed his mind on abortion to an extreme anti-choice position, that one honest vote no longer counts for anything.
Obama doesn’t. His views on abortion reflect those of the most rightwing members of the SCOTUS. He supports removing the “mental health” prong of late-term abortions– a view shared only by Justices Scalia and Thomas. He also agrees with the idea of women needing their husband’s permission to get an abortion, a view so extreme that even Thomas and Scalia reject it–only Alito supports it.
The only thing more fun than watching Nancy Keenan tie herself into knots attempting to explain THIS flip-flop has been watching Obama sink in national polls. In a year that was supposed to be a Democratic blowout he’s in a dead heat with McCain. But yeah, he’ll take VA, and MO, and IN, and GA, and…LOLOLOL.
p.s. Great, great, post, Charles. You said it all, and beautifully.
Brilliant post Charles! I wish every Democrat could read and reflect on it. It might save us.
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All of us need to take a step back and reflect on what is most beneficial for the country. Do we want to get out of Iraq, responsibly and with maximum safety for our fighting men and women? Do we want to continue the Bush tax policy giving a break to the rich, but not the middle class? Do we want to drill for oil along our coastlines making all beachgoers
not just North Carolineans, tarheels? McCain is more of the same. Let’s think with our heads, not our sexual organs.