WSJ: “Obama Faces Resistance From Top Supporters of Clinton”
By SusanUnPC on July 7, 2008 at 9:50 AM in Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain
Here’s the first part of a subscription-only article in today’s Wall Street Journal:
Sen. Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic presidential nominee, faces dissent from dozens of top fund-raisers and other supporters of former rival Sen. Hillary Clinton, who are angry over how she was treated during their bruising primary battle and are hesitating to back Sen. Obama.
Some leading Clinton supporters are starting new Web sites or political action committees aimed at prodding Sen. Obama on issues or pressuring him to give Sen. Clinton a big role in the general-election campaign. People familiar with the matter say the effort involves dozens of the roughly 300 Clinton “Hillraisers,” individuals who raised at least $100,000 …
Mark Halperin’s blog notes, in his red font signaling that “this is important”:
Adds the McCain camp is trying to capitalize on disaffected Clinton supporters, roughly two dozen big Clinton backers are looking to meet soon with McCain adviser Fiorina.
No wonder CNN’s latest poll is showing a drop in the number of Hillary supporters who are willing to vote for Barack Obama.
If we weren’t convinced during the primary that we couldn’t vote for Obama, his flip-flops and abandonment of his core supporters should give any REAL Democrat pause.
The other title used for this same article:
“Obama Faces ‘Hillraiser’ Backlash”
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Are these the same Clinton supporters that Obama met with to try to get them to donate to his campaign? Hmmm. Party unity isn’t working, is it? Inch by inch, row by row, Hillary’s garden is going to grow!
if McCain is smart he will realize that an influx of thoughtful, common-sense, informed voters will nourish the Republican party.
Without a doubt there are members who abhor running on misinforming easy targets.
instead of feeling ourselves “disenfranchised,” we should realize that we are desirable, and highly sought after.
We come out of the common-sense sector – no radical agendas or dreams.
I hope that McCain would consider a few tweaks, because the benefits of having us in his camp, and in his party would be invaluable.
i agree with that. his endorsement of the anti-gay marriage bill in CA did not bode well with Hillary’s gay & lesbian voters who were planning on voting McCain. he should have stayed neutral.
You have your facts wrong. Obama is opposed to the initiative that would overturn gay marriage in CA.
http://cbs5.com/local/obama.gay.marriage.2.761332.html
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. Start over. Read slowly.
That’s a sign of an outsourced Gaza Obamabot. They saw “gay” and posted the talking points. At least the outsourcing shows evidence of Waffles new-found free market flip flop.
lol!
Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 11:34:27
Presidential candidate Barack Obama has come out against a ballot measure that seeks to outlaw same-sex marriage.
“Who in their right mind would want
the same sex all the time. I enjoy
a little diversity once in a while and
am not adverse to a little ‘down-low’ myself”, the candidate said.
While Obama partied at
A club for gay Democrats in San Francisco the club solicited a statement from the Illinois senator’s campaign in which he called the proposed constitutional amendment “divisive and discriminatory.”
The senator then said, “Hey Bogart! you
going to pass that pipe or what?”
Fixed it for you.
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save time & trouble. simply FastForward when you see the troll name “believe”
“believe” = FastForward
McCain has the SAME exact position and record on same sex marriage as John Kerry.
Also McCain has met with a number lesbian, gay and even transgender lifelong Democrats who supported Hillary. He was very open and straight forward in engaging them. Also he is not a neo-con and he isn’t comfortable with the Federal government getting involved in private issues.
If Obama really wanted to take a stand against discrimination he wouldn’t have vetted homophobic rev James Meeks to be a delegate at the Denver Convention.
Actuall we here in the McCain camp welcome you aqnd your input with open arms.
As I am sure you are aware John and Hillary have a real admiration, respect & genuine fondness of eachother.
McCain has a real opportunity to coalesce the centrist voters that dominate the American electorate. But first he has to resist the temptation to pander to the rightwing whackjobs who have hijacked the Republican Party in recent elections. And then he has to enthusiastically reach out to Hillary’s supporters–which, to his credit, he does seem to be doing, unlike his “don’t need ‘em” opponent.
McCain is in a unique position because he does have an independent streak, and has a record of working across the aisle. After the past couple of weeks, the voters are unsure what Obama stands for, and who can blame them? McCain needs to step into the vacuum and play the integrity/experience card big time. NOW. If he waits ’til after the convention, he may have missed his best chance to take Obama down.
The KEY PROTEST
HOW:
We hold our key rings over our head and shake them…or just hold them in our hand, upraised like the PUMA fist.
WHY:
Keys are easy to carry, everyone has them, they can’t take them away from us at the rallys, they can’t id us before our protest…AND no one has used it yet.
SYMBOLISM:
1. McCain is afraid of the sound of keys because he would hear the rattle of the keys as the Vietnam guards came to torture him. Lets use the ekys to show the difference between McCains courage and character and Obama’s lack of courage and character.
2. Hillary won the KEY swing states.
Lets take this protest method and make it our signature!!!!!
Everyone, if you use the link from Digg to the WSJ article, you can read the entire text. Digg it while you’re at it, if you have an account!
Which is why Obama needs to bring 75,000 of his thugs to Denver to make sure the superdelegates remain intimidated and don’t dare make a peep supporting Clinton – not in the face of 75,000 rabid Obama jackboots.
This is the most egregious takeover of a political process I have ever seen in Amerika – in all “57″ of the states.
Chicago only needed Seven to bring the DNC to its knees. Overkill Obama now is bringing in 75,000 with all his campaign cash to burn to make sure Dems salivate at his feet.
Net result: all show and no go for Obama. He is going to run out of paid spectacle before November. And keep in mind this is the same man who refuses to do “townhall”, but loves a paid crowd and a teleprompter.
Obama’s gums look sick — he is also going to give a big speech at the Branderburg Gate in Berlin ala Kennedy and Hitler. He doesn’t care if the Democrats don’t support him — He is running for Messiah now.
Why hold NATO meetings on his Senate Foreign Affairs European Subcommittee when he can give speeches? Brandenburg Gate as a presidential candidate… talk about putting the horse before the cart.
or the cart before the horse.
“Inch by Inch
Row by Row,
Hillary’s Garden
is going to Grow”
by PuppyDogMom
Yes, I concur!
And so do the 18 million cracks that you’ll hear shattering the DNC ceiling like thunder, come November…exploding on the heads of the foes of the Ferocious Pumas….letting Light Enough for the OBAMYOPICS to see the error of their sexist, undemocratic ways….
Go, PUMAS, Roar!\\\
HILLARY, THE TRUE DEMOCRAT!
VOTE HILLARY ‘08
Remember what that moron at CNN Jack Cafferty called HIllary: “THE SCOLDING MOTHER”? Well, if only the DNC gang of punks had one, they could have avoided the mess they’re in! That’s the kind of democrat that was needed!
Anyone but Obama! He’s shown he’s got no RESPECT…
I saw Carly Fiorina on the news shows this morning. When asked by msnbc about meeting with Clinton supporters, she was very circumspect. She said Hillary supporters are interested in learning more about McCain’s policies so they can make an informed judgement. Seems the McCain camp is steering clear for the moment of exploiting the deep divisions in our party…methinks they have a plan…what say you?
Plan: R.E.S.P.E.C.T. !
Wouldn’t that be refreshing after the way we’ve been treated by our own party.
Carley Fiorina is very sharp and a good spokesperson for McCain IMO. Not too apt to trip over her own tongue like so many do.
If BO keeps turning right, he could pick up the right wing conservatives. Think what McCain could do if he could get the Repubs to put Hillary on as McCain’s VP. What an unexpected switch that would be for Rove and Co.
While it may be quite impossible, sowsear, now that’s a ticket worth voting for! Imagine Hill transforming the Repubs and the Dems left to be the last party as they now deserve.
This spoken by a prior life long Dem.
R.E.S.P.E.C.T… I like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6C83lwwxJ8
How can you feel respected by a man who doesn’t think women should have the right to control their own bodies?
As opposed to what? Obama’s PRO women admiration society?
roflmao!
he has no respect for women
some of us have been WATCHING carefully!
Waffles does have a NARAL problem now. Those idiots should have never endorsed him.
was barky ever involved with a woman before michelle… who is taller than most men, lean and masculine featured?
Yup! The ObaMyopics have respect for Women, alright? Just watch this huge Youtube hit:
“Obama Gives Hillary the F!nger”–this political punk from Chicago shows how much he DISRESPECTS AND DIMINISHES WOMEN by doing his stupid juvenile rapper act!
He said “her claws are comin’ out” and “Periodically, she getst feeling down, moody and attacks me!”….while he puts on the rapper song about “women are bitches”!!!
This sexist cool misogynist rapper punk should join the SNL crew and revise his skinny resume accordingly. He’s a woman-hater and a racist.
“Now, I don’t think that ‘mental distress’ qualifies as the health of the mother.” Barack Obama
I forgot to mention that it is very hard to believe that the chosen one would respect any of our rights when his supporters fail to respect the first ammendment rights and troll in our sites and have them shut down.
perhaps the same way we should be expected to believe that the chosen ones majority of donations come form small donors. I was not happy when they interrupted my morning to ask for 200.80 to start as a donation. I don’t think they were happy when I replied that my donation to Obama was to leave the democratic party and hung up the phone.
My identity or worth doesn’t depend on anyone’s R.E.S.P.E.C.T. You’ve heard of birth control and the morning after pill? Maybe not. But don’t worry, women are not afraid and know how to take care of business including cleaning the clock of anyone who threatens them or their rights…as witnessed by taking Dean and his undemocratic thugs to task.
I hope McCain has a plan — subtlety is not an option in this race with Obama running as the Second Coming.
I am one of the lifelong Democrats that has had the pleasure of meeting Carly twice. She answered all of my questions in enough detail that I definitelyy have a comfort zone to cast a protest vote.
I really hope she plays a major role in a McCain administration.
Many progressives for Obama have seen the light and Count Us Out would like to take this time to invite you to join us.
Come on! Let’s UNITE and get this country back on the right track.
To all of our PUMA Brothers and Sisters, Count Us Out asks you to show the former Obama supporters some PUMA LOVE!
To the former Obama supporters, many of whom have worked side by side with us for many years, we want you to know that we were never against you. We opposed Obama and we simply did not join you in your support of him. Let’s let bygones be bygones. We’ve got room for you under the PUMA tent!
We have been friends and allies for a long time and we look forward, once again, to joining our efforts with yours as we work toward our common goals.
Again, we say WELCOME, WELCOME, WELCOME to the many Obama supporters who now know that Obama wasn’t all he was cracked up to be. By now, everyone who cares about “the issues” has seen Obama unravel in front of their eyes. He has exposed himself as an unprincipled, empty suit.
It’s NOT too late to send Obama’s ass back to the US Senate and that is exactly what we intend to do.
As they say, “Let’s really get this party started!”
That’s putting it mildly. If you thought Bush was horrible elect Obama.
I don’t even want Obama in the senate. He is one scary dude.
Visit larrysinclair0926wordpress.com
That’s putting it mildly. If you thought Bush was horrible elect Obama.
I don’t even want Obama in the senate. He is one scary dude.
Visit larrysinclair0926wordpress.com
Amen.
I would like to kiss and make-up, and let’s all get together and kick some ass.
I’m loving it! Obama getting voted down by his own former supporters1 Great idea!
We need to make it clear to former Obama supporters that we need to nominate Hillary. I welcome the help of former Obama supporters in achieving this goal.
Obama has pushed us all under his bus — Hillary supporters and Obamabots. Obama never planned to do anything for anyone. The guy is power mad.
Yeah, and when an anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-healthcare reform McCain is president, I’m sure Hillary will be sooooo pleased at all your efforts to get him elected. McCain and Hillary have nothing in common except that Obama was their opponent.
America the Beautiful is worth it.
Yes, the country comes first and always. Obama is simply not good for the United States. This is truly an election in which things are not as they appear. We get glimpses of the real Obama now and again, especially lately with all of his so-called “flip flops.” Actually, they are not “flip flops” at all because he would have had to represent clear positions on issues prior to “flip flopping.” Obama’s positions were never clear. He snared supporters with pretty words like “hope” and “change” and remained very low on specifics. Now some of his supporters are angry about “flip flops,” when, in fact, Obama never promised them the rose garden they thought they were getting. It’s time to wake up! BTW, the WSJ article mentions WePAC. I went over to their site and they talk about a 48 hour drive to wipe out Hillary’s debt. The time is running out to get this done. Please give up something — extra cup of coffee, cocktail, a pack of butts, a manicure, a 6-pack, organic bananas, whatever — and send a check made out to Hillary Clinton for President. Money sent this way cannot be used for any other purpose. Let’s show Madame President that we are behind her!
Hear! Hear!
sounds like you’ve got sour grapes…
mccain is far better a person and candidate than obama will ever be…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Please visit larrysinclair0926wordpress.com as well as Noquarterusa.net
then you’ll understand why so may of us could never vote for BO.
Yes, and remember, Obama’s “Stop the Smears” site makes no mention of Larry Sinclair or Tony Rezko or Auchi or the rest of the Chicago Combine. Go visit Larry Sinclair’s site http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/
and learn about the tactics used to silence him.
Why do you hate America?
Yeah, and when an anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-healthcare reform McCain is president, I’m sure Hillary will be sooooo pleased at all your efforts to get him elected. McCain and Hillary have nothing in common except that Obama was their opponent
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Yea, and when a present voting, 1)anti-gay, 2)anti-healtcare reform Barackula is President, I’m sure Hillary will be soooo pleased at all your efforts to get him elected (through cheating at the RBC, and during caucus votes). barackula and Hillary have nothing in commons except that Hillary can’t stand bush and bushlike wannabes.
1)see barackula’s refusal to have his pic taken with pro-gay Gavin newsome, and Donnie McClurkin, the “ex-gay” preacher)
2)do you even UNDERSTAND barackula’s plan? yea, THAT’s reform for ya. Eh, no)
Barackula – Yes to FISA
barackula – No to public campaign finance
barackula – War? What war? Oh, the one that I’ll continue because I’m trying to be everything to everyone?
Hey, what was that that your ol’ Destardi said 5 months ago? Barackula has NO ideological compass.
HE IS A BLACK GEORGE W. BUSH, only worse.
He’s ok. He’s just not a president.
He doesn’t dive in and solve problems.
He’s smooth.
There’s a piece in the NYT on his years as a community organizer. Nice, got everyone organized, but no results.
That’s the bottom line.
He didn’t start the community organizing, he was hired to do a job. Did a fine job. Left because it did not seem like a way to get much done.
It’s probably even harder to get anything when you’re a president, and have to go through a billion committees. Not too many have accomplished what Bill Clinton did.
Nice analysis. I read his book again over the weekend (once upon a time, I thought I could support him). Even with his self-inflation, it was clear that little was accomplished in what I would call his rabble rousing. Very few changes occurred, and he even spoke of the state house in terms of being a lackluster or boring location where most of the laws passed are less than scintillating. He is like a rolling stone, gathering no moss. That is why there is nothing to him. His whole life, he has just been passing through.
lute — lets not forget the 700 Chicagoans who died in his area of the heat while he was the Community Organizer.
“anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-health-care reform” Sounds a whole lot like Obama. Add in caved on FISA and caved on NAFTA.
Course with Obama you get to make the “choice” your family and Pastor allow you to make.
Anti-Gay, not much difference.
Anti-health-care? Are you really fool enough to believe that Obama will give us UHC? One of his mouthpieces, Kerry all ready said that’s off the table.
Come November we will have two crappy choices. I prefer McCain. Obama and his cult repulse me more than a cartload of freepers.
He’s not anti-gay. He supports overturning Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell and supports gay marriage in CA.
And of course he’s not anti-choice. He has a 100% lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL.
On health care, his plan is far superior to McCain’s.
Does Obama want to “overturn” DADT so we can go back to the way it was?
Gheez…
Obama, in his own words, several times, has stated that he “does not support gay marriage”.
He takes a “separate, but equal” Jim Crow approach to gay rights. (Y’know, no gay marriage, but they can have civil unions with the same protections.)
We’ve been keeping our eyes on him, and no little ‘bot is going to change our disdain for such a “principled” candidate.
BTW. Don’t they have Youtube where you come from???
Comment by believe | 2008-07-07 11:38:35
“And of course he’s not anti-choice. He has a 100% lifetime rating from Planned Parenthood and NARAL.”
And don’t forget NAMBLA. A spokesperson said
“Obama has the full support of NAMBLA. His
positions the last couple of weeks on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights bodes
well for our organization in the future.
On top of that, he looks like a
really tall ‘Webster’. Yum yum.”
hey stacy… We don’t buy your empty, misinformed propganda. So stop wasting your breath.
Try and think for yourself for a change…
McCain and Hillary have ONE thing in common:R.E.S.P.E.C.T
That’s one thing Obama doesn’t and will never have. Deal with it….
jiran — Obama seems to have forgotten he is a Senator. He said when I was a Senator. He thinks he is already President is now on the fast track to world Dictatorship.
Seems to me the only anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-healthcare candidate these days is Obama.
Or whateverelse anyone (with money or votes) wants him to be.
Oh, Stacy dear, let me explain. It’s like an investment, see. You don’t get your pay off right away. If McCain wins, Hillary can go after him in four years and we’ll be rid of Obama, hopefully for good. Everyone wins! Yay!
How much harm are you willing to accept to real people to be able to maybe elect Clinton in 4 years? These are real people, not political pawns.
And you have no idea if Clinton can win in 4 years. If most Democrats think she didn’t work her hardest to keep McCain out of office, she won’t have very much support.
Obama’s housing development fiascos in Chicago hurt many real people, though they did benefit a few of his friends, who contributed hansomely to his presidential run.
The Obama’s got the big house while his constituents went without heat in buildings that were falling apart.
That is the change that believe believes in.
Think of it as the soccer matches in Europe where sometimes you play with your league and sometimes you play with your country.
Well, believe, evidently I’m willing to accept the same level of harm to real people that you are since you’re in support of a slimy, lying, flip-flopping, manipulative, egomaniacal, inexperienced, faux messiah, charlatan with an alleged crack cocaine problem and a wife rumored to have spouted racist hate speech(note how I give him the benefit of the doubt with the last two items). Get real. Your strategy is more a game of Russian roulette than mine.
I believe Hillary once said that SHE and McCain were qualified to be Commander in Chief and barky was not. I’ll go with that
Hillary or McCain 08
barky not qualified.
barkys new campaign slogan
Come for the preening
Stay for the prancing
LMAO. Did you make that up?
Why yes I did after reading lots of Uppity’s posts.
She loves to go on about his preening and prancing.
You’ve got a gift for slogans.
heh heh…
that was hillarious…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Barack Obama will throw Row v. Wade under the bus just as Barack Obama has thrown everyone and everything else that stands in his way to power under the bus.
Barak Obama’s reversals on campaign finance reform and FISA are only the beginning.
Barack Obama represents “Change, Obama can benefit from” and nothing else.
Joel something tells me that Obama’s speech in Berlin at the Brandenburg Gate might backfire because there are still memories among Germans of Hitler’s speech in that very location. I can see the you-tube videos Hitler morphed into Obama. But maybe he just doesn’t give a damn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoY2EK2HMt4
The closest I’ve seen so far. I thought I was turning into a Bircher watching this.
Hillary Clinton and John McCain have one thing in common — mutual respect. When Obama’s 20-year friend and one of his “spiritual advisers” Father Phleger launched his sexist and racist rant against Clinton, only one person of either party spoke out in protest: John McCain.
“Uncalled for, unnecessary, and disgraceful,” said McCain. What did Obama say? Nada.
That’s when McCain earned my vote.
That’s when McCain earned my vote
He had my vote “against” BO, but after that he had my vote FOR him…his sincerity in responding was genuine.
If Senator Clinton not the Nominee.
After Hillary left the race McCain had me at HELLO
“In politics shared hatreds are almost always the basis of friendships.” Alexis de Tocqueville
… and I want no part of Obama’s healthcare or any of the fascist giveaways he promised his corporate donors.
Let’s get the guys birth certificate first. He won’t even show us that. Who can trust Obama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd5gm8XKv_w
http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/
http://www.birthcertificatenow.com/
this link has a statement to the effect that he and his family were threatened, and the threat included is home address. the petition is closed.
Please watch this video !
http://www.news3online.com/index.php?code=859qeM53M93X6k41HNBV
that is actually a prank website…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
But but, I’m the presumptive nominee, fall in line and give me your money in the name of unity! Haa haa. Good move by the McCain’s camp to have Carly Fiorina be in an important role of woo’ing women. I worked in the silicon valley during her reign with HP and she’s no pushover. Like Hillary, she’s strong and extremely intelligent. Carly, watch out for any coming bus!
Don’t want Hillary on Obama’s ticket.
And that’s where this might be headed.
I want Obama out of the picture. The DNC had no business putting him in the position he’s in today. It’s been a travesty on all accounts. Obama is rekindling sentiments that should have died long ago.
And because he isn’t qualified and doesn’t have experience, it makes it all the worse.
I don’t blame Hillary’s supporters for not wanting to give him money. But do they really want her on the ticket under him?
I know I don’t!!
nope, it would just be to use her so he can win-nothing more. Her and Bill would be regarded as nothings in an Obama administration. Not only that, he doesn’t deserve it. They have both been treated like crap-they should tell him to stick it-he’s on his own.
Having worked for insecure bosses for 25 years, I can assure you that he will feel pangs of jealousy and will feel threatened if she starts accomplishing more than he does (which will be easy).
She would have to lay low, and lay back, and pretend her brilliant ideas are his, and that he plays a great role in accomplishments achieved by her sweat and all-nighters.
God, there is nothing worse than working for a boss with little going for him.
most of the managers I’ve had are clueless and have no qualifications whatsoever of leadership-NONE.
My favorite was my boss at NBC who would download porn to watch the expressions on the face of the only woman worker in the room.
When she finally complained, NBC ditched him and ditched her as well. Freelancers have no rights.
President Clinton, if you are reading this:
Please Resist!
Your silence speaks volumes and we hear you loud and clear.
Hillary has to do what she has to do.
You Do Not.
We have her back!
Pennsylvania for HRC 2008! Don’t Forget!
I concur… They will out HIllary on the ticket JUST to get barky elected. THEY KNOW he CAN NOT win without her voters support.
NO OBAMA ANYWHERE in the WH!! (And that goes for his bitter and racsist spouse!)
No. He wants a “yes” girl. Either a “yes” girl or the Breck boy. But certainly not someone more well liked than he is. Ego overload.
It would have to be underachiever Claire Turkey Neck McCaskill. Kathleen Sebellius is too attractive and youthful at her age – plus she’s boring. But Obama’s bitter half would resent him being seen everywhere with Kansas’ Silver Fox. Voters would be uneasy with the subtle miscegenation implications. Plus a black man *and* a woman – it only would have worked with Hillary. The Dream Ticket is lost.
Obama and the Breck Boy love one another, but shades of Crockett and Tubbs. I don’t know.
The DNC didn’t give him the nomination. He won two-thirds of nomination contests, often by extremely large margins. That’s why he’s the presumptive nominee.
nominating contest = caucuses, right? we all know she killed him in most large state primaries. you know, those voting booth primaries that mimic the real thing?
I attended a caucus and it was frightening. not sure where the folks that were there came from. ours is a relatively small community and there were faces there we never saw before. interesting. sure wish I took more pictures than I did…
I DON’T LIKE OBAMA ANYWHERE NEAR HILLARY. I HATED IT WHEN HE TOUCHED HER IN THAT UNITY CRAP RALLY. NO OBAMA/CLINTON TICKET
GOOD! AWESOME! GLAD TO HEAR IT!!
So much for a meeting w Clinton’s top fund raisers. Hillary may have to go through the motions but the rest of us do not and apparently many aren’t. When they all see we aren’t “getting over it”, maybe they will wake up!!
HE IS A BLACK GEORGE W. BUSH, only worse.
And he’s stupid like dubya too.
i’ve always said he is more dangerous than bush because at least bush knows he is stupid…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
LMAO!!
And Laura is definitely better than Michelle.
I second that!! A friend over the weekend said she is not First Lady material, she looks mean and angry all the time!
MEchille needs a little Botox and Oprah’s finishing school.
Laura is better than her husband. She’d probably be better than both Obama’s combined.
Wasn’t Laura a Democrat before she married into the Bush family?
He is a man of Color. He is a white, if he truly is American
Does anyone else notice how BORING the election has become without Hillary?
I bet even Obama is bored…he doesn’t have Hillary and Bill around to blame for everything.
I bet he wishes McCain would say “fairytale”
LMAO!! You all are full of wit this morning!!
Absolutely; even jeralyn at TL that now supports the “democratic nominee” says this election is terribly dull w/o HRC.
I miss Hillary terribly: she was the only one that made SENSE !!!!!!
It’s all gibberish now….
Andy — I miss Hillary because it wasn’t about her it was about us. I can’t stand someone in these times who only cares about looking like a winner rather than coming down off his high horse and working with the people.
And where have barkys amigos been I haven’t heard anything out of Dean, Brazille, Pelosi, Reid, Gore or Carter in a while.
It’s nice but odd.
Yes, I’ve noticed. Clinton electrified the electorate, and she’d do it again. (Not as VP, please. I’ll vote McCain unless Clinton is at the top of the ticket.) Also, it’s not just Barky who’s bored now that he no longer has Clinton to kick around. I know a number of Barky cultists who no longer can be bothered paying attention any more. Wake up, DNC. (But they’re probably bored, too.)
I think people are getting confused – it’s
Hillary they should vote for
not
Hitler.
I think there is some confusion on the spelling.
OMG…LMAO!!
Gerald, LOL. My friends and I think the same! There’s no pretense of intelligence by dubya, but the ONE believes his own bs. ummmmm, awwwwww, ummmm, and then…..word fog.
well anyone who thinks there are 57 states and the Great Lakes are in Oregon is not playing w a full deck!!
He also thinks Jerusleum is the capital if Israel… Me thinks he went to the same geography class as W
He also thinks Jerusleum is the capital of Israel… Me thinks he went to the same geography class as W
I don’t follow your comment sjc-tx:
Jerusalem is the capital of Israel.
i think its Tel Aviv…
jeruselum is an important religious city but not the capital of isreal…
as a gafffe, i think this obama one is bigger than all of bush and dan quail’s mistakes put together…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Gerard:
You thought wrong. Jeruslam is the capital of Israel. This is a kind of a big deal to Israelis. The gaffe is all yours.
“”Because Jerusalem was occupied by Jordan after Israel became an independent state in 1948, the temporary capital and home of the government offices was in Tel Aviv. Several government offices remain there and Tel Aviv is still home to foreign diplomats from countries (including the U.S.) that don’t recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.”"
In 1947, Palestine was partitioned into three. Israel, what was left of Palestine and then finally Jerusalem. The city itself was “internationalized” with neither side having exclusive dominion over it.
and that babies are punishment… and he sees fallen heroes on Memorial Day… he poses as the President with his artificial seal…and he remembers when he WAS a Senator… and he is running for POTUS as he said in Montana to save the mountains for our children and grandchildren (who were present)… and he wants to make sure children do their parents homework… and he is all befuddled, let me start over… hold on, now, hold on, I’ll get it right…and his Grandmother is a typical white person, and he never heard that vitirol in church… and he has to give up public financing because of all the smears he needs to fight… and did I mention, he’s black…and of course, people in rural areas have antipathy towards those who are not like them, and he wears a flag pin that a Vet handed him in a rope line…and you know, Annie Oakley is sitting in duck blind… and lay of my wife… and he scrubs his website daily… and he is going to listen to the Generals on the ground… and he was born from Selma… and if things get ugly he’ll stand with the Muslims… and his beautiful home was boneheaded mistake … and that it is not the Tony Rezko he knows… and Phleger? …Mike who?,,,etc…etc…
Well said!!! Sad thing is that we all know there is more!
LMAO! That was funny.
The fact that the WSJ has an article now means the MSM will HAVE to cover it… Oh stand back now folks!!! The SHITY is gonna start flying. The fan is looking like it is whirling out of control!
(its about time!)
*that be SHIT not SHITY*
No. I liked it as SHITY … gave it some class
Aye… Ye may have a point there!
Why is the WSJ more important than the Chicago Sun Times or the Boston Globe? Americans only live in NYC?
Its not about ‘important’… The WSJ, Wall Street Journal is/was primarily a “financial paper”. It is ~the~ paper to read for that info. That is where it acquired its ‘prestige’. ALOT of the “capitalists” read that first… hence why the article being there in the first place…
It’s also a VERY right wing paper.
Well, I take it because where I used to live that was the only morning paper I could get. I’ve found that the editorial page is written by troglodytes, as you say, but the news pages are often more balanced and informative than the Times. The WSJ often has analytical articles about what’s going on behind the scenes that you can’t find anywhere else. I”ve come to value it for that.
The Daily News is more balanced than the NYT. I lifted an eyebrow when they took on William Kristol, but I’d read him over Maureen Dowd any day. Of course, skipping that rag (and WaPo) is always an option. I like the WSJ just fine.
SHITY SHITY, Bang Bang.
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Its like Rev says-it-like-it-is-brother Manning said… ‘Bill! Don’t let obama pimp your wife!’
I bet barky calls for a “card game” soon… Especially after hearing about this article…
Yes, and what cards do you think he has in his deck???
He thought it was stacked with Aces… appears now it has more Jokers in it!
Why would Obama want any of that tainted whitey racist money anyway?
Funny video just uploaded an hour ago of a Baby Ethan Manning! LOL But you can’t link directly. I can get you to the page with a list of videos then you must click on the baby ethan at the bottom.
It’s hilarious but for some reason I can’t link it direct. Weird.
I’m also having problems with my outlook express. Replying. Keeps saying it’s spam. On my 2nd restore.
Howard Dean is turning the Convention planning into a train wreck.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=506
too funny… thanks for that!
my 2 fave parts:
All this spending is teaching the liberals that crucial difference between spending taxpayer money and spending their own; theirs could actually, gasp, run out.
and:
The Democratic convention is already running behind in its fund-raising. At last count, the convention was about $11 million short of the $40.6 million needed to stage the event — even before cost overruns were taken into consideration.
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
GOOD!!
And who is to pay for a stadium and all the security if they can’t afford what they have?
Clinton eliminated the deficit and began work on the enormous Reagan/Bush debt. Bush Jr. restarted the debt growth process. The Republicans are the founding fathers of the debt. To solve serious problems we must abandon political myths. Both liberals and conservatives can be fiscally responsible and irresponsible. Citizens are responsible for weeding out the good from the bad. For example, better Clinton than McCain. Better McCain than Obama. Better Obama than Obama (depends on the model offered in the primary advertising).
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This is such an immensely welcome turn of events.
pagan — I feel good today. Obama has to go pretty far to find a receptive audience these days. Hillary supporters are going for McCain and the Obamabots who were true believers cannot be far behind. Also, I believe Americans have said enough is enough. We don’t need some preening fop as our President — we want someone who is going to work hard on behalf of the people.
Also, Obama is going to start a war with the media. That one will be enjoyable to watch. Thank you for the great writing you do. It is my sense today that the pendulum is going to swing back and the little guys are going to win one.
On another forum, George Soros’ role in this election was discussed. Here’s another wrinkle to this presidential election that should not be dismissed totally.
One thing we can all agree upon, Hillary was pushed out by some very powerful forces and we should make every effort to find out as much as we can and start connecting the dots.
The link to this article points out some of the reasons for the all out attack on her from day one and by whom and for what reason.
Definitely something to think about:
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2008/02/05/larouche-hillary-clinton-only-obstacle-bloombergs-fascist-di.html
WOW….
That article is from Feb. 5, 2008 and predicts obama will be finished after ST. That obviously didn’t happen so what is the point of posting that article? i mean, I’m all for HRC but I don’t get the connection. if Bo was supposed to take down HRC and then implode, why is he still around?
Obviously, I didn’t site this article to be taken as an “absolute” road map of what is going happen and when (no one can predict that). The interesting point made in the article was about NYC mayor “Michael Bloomberg”. No one seems to be paying attention to him.
However, there have been several trial balloons being put out about his being a possible VP choice for “either” McCain or Obama. Those in power are not obvious about their secret ambitions, they are very secretive. Which is why Obama can easily be viewed as a puppet being used for a purpose, because he came out of nowhere with very powerful supporters.
Another fact to consider is that Bloomberg not so long ago decided to leave the republican party and become an independent. By making this change, it does leave him open to be a potential VP pick by either candidate. If he is chosen, that would be significant, don’t you think?
Again, these articles aren’t meant to be taken “literally”, they are simply guidelines in keeping track of all the players in this political game and what affiliations they have with one another, etc.
K Wynne — Wasn’t it Bloomberg who was very instrumental in starting UNITY08 which was meant to be a coalition of both parties with a strong president at the helm? He held a convention last year and top Democrats and Republicans came. The Democratic names are those who support Obama now. Obama seems to meet with Bloomberg once a month — wonder what that’s all about. I find Bloomberg’s connection to all this very interesting.
Yes, he met with them in “private” at the Unversity of Oklahoma in January of this year.
I believe he is positioning himself to be the “knight in shining armor” at some point. One cannot predict how this game will play out, but I do believe the involvement of two billionaires — Soros and Bloomberg — to be a siginficant piece of the puzzle.
I think there is too much antipathy about Mike Bloomberg on either ticket. He is not seen as a strong Dem; more Republican than Lieberman, in fact. Rumor is he’s a closeted gay. His being a mayor of NYC doesn’t bring national experience. I just don’t see how he’d help Obama’s cause, but the two are thick as thieves.
I was hoping you’d peek in on the discussion last night K. Wynne! This Soros connection is very interesting and one you don’t see on the front pages of the MSM.
I don’t get the polls.
Real Clear Politics’ Poll of Polls still has Obama leading by six points through yesterday’s polling.
This includes the weekend Gallup Daily Tracking Poll and the more conservative pollsters like Rasmussen.
Who the dickens is propping up this guy’s numbers?
His numbers are slipping, but only by a point a week so far. If that keeps up, he can still be holding himself statistically even with McCain at the time of the Democratic convention.
Crap!
Let’s hope the flip-flopping backlash is slow to show itself in the polls and this week will tell the tale.
The Sunday news programs certainly didn’t do anything yesterday to push the issue. Talk about soft-pedaling the biggest string of flip-flops ever recorded in record time!
just wait until after August…it’s coming if not before.
wodiej — I am convinced you’re right. The Republicans are going on the attack after The Convention and they have enough on Obama to make this a very interesting Fall season.
Some of the 527’s are starting NOW. After the smear by Clark!
Good. He should be crucified for that comment.
I think Real Clear Politics’ Poll head office is based in Chicago.
HARP…you mean the “Office head poll”?
Department of redundency department.
Funny! All they do is average polls from multiple polling organizations and produce an average.
There are far more Democrats than Republicans, so he can lose a chunk of Clinton supporters and still be ahead.
That actually depends on how many of his newly engaged supporters see thru him by November. He isn’t wearing very well, and while I doubt they will go out and vote for someone else, I also suspect they might not come out to vote at all. Seeing it up close and personal – my relatives who are so sorely disappointed with his recent spate of inconsistencies didn’t vote before him and aren’t planning to go vote for him now either, even though they did register and vote in the primaries.
Not if the majority of them vote for MCCAIN. Then, if the Independents vote for McCain and the kids that chant his name sleep in on November 4th or it rains ….
Well, it’s not as if McCain is immune from the flip-flopping charge. He’s changed his positions quite a lot. And now he’s changed to be more in line with the very unpopular Republican party.
See McCain flip flops here:
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html
BTW, CNN had a poll last week that found that Americans see both candidates as flip-floppers and they don’t care — They assume all politicians act that way.
But Barky was supposed to be DIFFERENT!
You must have thought that, but I never did. A politician is a politician, you know.
Well, then McCain’s just a politician but a better one. How you like them apples?
That was’nt the message Barky and his supporters were sending out when they attacked Hillary’s credibility.
Obama will NEVER be POTUS.
Get over it!
I’ve been reading Naomi Klein’s The Shock Doctrine the past couple weeks, about the various world-historical crimes that Republicans, in league with the IMF and the World Bank, have been committing against countries all over the world since the 1970s. The fact that any of you ‘useful idiots’ would be willing to cast your vote for any Republican — and pretend to yourself that you’re doing it in fealty to Hillary Clinton’s progressive beliefs — is mind-boggling.
Don
Don`t you have a concert in Denver to get ready for ?
I am very serious about what I just wrote. Every American should read that book. This goes way beyond Obama or HRC or McCain or even the Supreme Court. The level of criminality is truly chilling. It goes to the future of human freedom across the entire planet.
Klein makes interesting reading, however, coming here and calling people “useful idiots” is guaranteed to fail to get your point across.
I suggest you spend some time at the KOS, where a number of people are currently bemoaning that they are used idiots. They are more likely to open to your admonishing suggestion, especially because they are beginning to see Obama is a business as usual politician.
What you say about Kos is so last week. And in any case, even Kos who didn’t like the FISA stand, wrote in his critical piece regarding Obama, “I hope he wins big.”
Right – I heard they are force-feeding the Kool-Aid these days…
Like those poor geese that make foie gras.
I read her book, and yes, there are evil people in both parties. The question today remains – who do I trust more? Someone like John McCain, who has time after time put his country above his party, or someone like Barack Obama, who has time after time put those around him under a bus to meet his objectives? Even Nader is a better pick if you can’t vote for McCain.
If you read the book with thought, you’ll see that Mr McCain is not one of the people she is writing about.
What are you Klein’s agent or something? She’s the worst thing to come from Canada since Bryan Adams, but the commie twat will still pick up some new fans. I liked her Johnny-Come-Lately piece on the free market flip flop of Obama’s. She finally got that he’s a Chicago School of Economics Friedmanite.
You’re smelling the coffee, huh?
The realization that we REALLY intend to NOT vote for Obama….and the number is growing.
Get over it!
I like Carly Fiorina. I wish McCain would make HER his VP. That would really get the Obamatrons’ panties in a twist. lol
Carly Fiorina? She laid off lots of workers and had a major scandal at her company. Obama could gain a lot with her as McCain’s vp. She’s help him consolidate his lead among working class voters.
Does the company name “MAYTAG” mean anything to you? He didn’t lay them off. He just let their jobs disappear and jived them into believing he had said something on their behalf. He’s the ever present “present.” No gift that I can see.
Olympia Snowe might enter the veepstakes. I bet the McCain campaign is doing some polling to see whether it’s worth offending conservatives while attracting Clinton voters. Obama has Bush’s pastor breaking up the evangelical flock, anyway.
I knew Carly Fiorina would be problematic, though she’s been very helpful as a spokeswoman for McCain.
Tim Pawlenty might still be on the shortlist, though there were mixed reviews about his recent MTP spot. He would signal McCain was going after working class and Independent voters. Pawlenty has conservative creds, too.
And the Republican party is facing big problems with writing its platform:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/06/AR2008070602322_pf.html
Oh, and in case you haven’t noticed, Obama has LOTS of money and doesn’t big donors particularly. Meanwhile, McCain is behind in all the polls and in the electoral college maps and has a lot of unhappiness among conservatives.
SURPRISE SURPRISE MR. NO PUBLIC CAMPAIGN FINANCING HEY DID I MENTION I’M BLACK? HAS LOTS OF MONEY. WHOOPEE.
What?55% of his donors are $200 plus and many of his millions are form big money. Read the article below if you care about the truth.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0707byrnejul07,0,2090442.story
Out of the 266 mil:
Now, I am sure that you’re still convinced that all his money came from small donors just like he said.
Truth hurts, and it’s better to just stuck your head in the sand.
MORE Obama lies:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/us/politics/07community.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp&oref=slogin
Couldn’t even handle the community organizing job that he touts so heavily. lol
What lies? Everything in that article is consistent with what Obama wrote about the job in his book and what he says about it.
You and Obama are liars:
“I changed as a result of that bus trip, in a fundamental way,” Mr. Obama wrote. It was the kind of action that “hints at what might be possible and therefore spurs you on.”
What Mr. Obama does not mention in his book is that residents of the nearby Ida B. Wells housing project, and some at Altgeld itself, had already been challenging the housing authority on asbestos. A local newspaper had also taken up the issue.”
And, he didn’t even have the stamina for that little job and now he wants to get his hands on the codes to this country’s nuclear arsenal? I don’t think so:
“Barack basically talked about how tough it was to generate real results through organizing and that it was embarrassing to him to have the residents out of control,” he recounted.
“He wondered if he had done a good enough job preparing them for the meeting,” Mr. Owens said. “He sounded angry at himself. He was questioning the whole methodology.”
Mr. Obama had risen to executive director of the Developing Communities group, but the demanding hours, small victories and low pay took a toll on him, and he decided to leave.
Yeah – he left to go to Harvard Law School, where he did so well that he became Editor of the Law Review and was offered prestigious clerkships with federal judges and jobs with high-powered, high-paying law firms.
You must understand, Believe — for members of this site (at least for the ones who post frequently), every single piece of data that comes out during this electoral campaign is more evidence that Obama is the worst human being in the history of the world. Everything. I’m waiting now for the first thread about how the move of his acceptance speech to Mile High Stadium shows how arrogant he is or something.
Oh, I know. They live in a system of closed “logic,” in which everything supports their world view.
Personally, I can acknowledge some good things about McCain and bad things about Obama but they can’t do the opposite.
It’s as if they’re afraid that that a single admission that the world is not so simple would collapse that closed system they have so fiercely built.
Oh, right. Going to Harvard is such a big deal when Ivy League educations are typical of most presidential candidates.
I’m praying for rain…
…that is IF Obama gets to make that MILE HIGH
arrogance acceptance speech!…IF Obama gets to make that MILE HIGH
arrogance acceptance speech.Hey samrt sfhillary, the one who call Mccain low IQ, what’s your IQ? above 140? No wonder you are so much smart than everyone else. So tell us what your IQ really is then.
Hey smart sfhillary, the one who call Mccain low IQ, what’s your IQ? above 140? No wonder you are so much smart than everyone else. So tell us what your IQ really is then.
Yeah, well show us something he “edited”. You are a fool for following this guy and your constant visiting of this site every day only proves it. Explain why you are so impassioned by him that you would do this for free. Come here and troll this obviously pro-Hillary/Anti-Obama site. Explain please. You aren’t going to change our minds, so explain please why we should take you seriously. You are a joke just like Obama. Did you read in that article that he said he also thought about becoming a preacher or a fiction writer or a journalist? lmao What a variation!!! lmfao This guy is a con artist point blank.
That kind of variation is extremely impressive as far as I’m concerned.
Show me the person who always wanted to be a tax lawyer (actually, that’s my cousin, the Wall St. lawyer) and I’ll show you a bore.
I’m not “impassioned” – I just support him and I love to interact in political discussions. You may find that foolish and that’s your right, but that is a major interest of mine, to engage in back and forth. I do it off line quite a lot, too!
this was more of a result of affirmative action not his qualifications. He was the first Harvard Law Review Editor that didn’t write a single paper. The school changed back everything he did. I think the problem is you bots don’t have a clue what responsibility, work ethic and integrity is. You think everything Obama does is ok as long as he makes a pretty speech. You need to seriously grow up.
I don’t think everything Obama does is ok. And I doubt that’s true of any Obama supporters.
What you’re doing is called stereotyping. You’ve constructed a stereotype of Obama supporters and are applying it. The trouble is, it just isn’t accurate.
My God, if believe supports Obama’s policy proposals, then we’re seriously in trouble. I’d tell her to move to France, but they’ve joined the growing trend of EU countries electing conservative leaders, because they know from experience Obama’s ideas won’t work. He has been in the US Senate one year and never met with these countries to talk about his policies, though he chairs that subcommittee.
He was considered to an extremely fair and even-handed editor. People from every side of the political spectrum respected him greatly. I think that bodes well for an Obama presidency.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257.html
McCain, on the other hand, has a terrible track record when it comes to working with other people and has a very quick, explosive temper.
Are you seriously taking the leftist Politico as being a serious source of information? LMAO!
Yeah, and where he was the only Editor of the Harvard Law Review ever to not write anything during his tenure.
Big deal. He clearly knows how to write extremely well. And editing and working with varied writers is very difficult work in itself.
In fact, Obama was good at that, he was offered a job at University of Chicago law school, one of the very top law schools in the country.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11257_Page2.html
Could you cite who offered those clerkships? Other posters have said that he was not offered even one and that this was a very telling critique of his ability.
He does mention that in the book. I just read it last night.
I’m sure. Right after you prayed at your Obama altar/shrine right?
You folks love that line!
I’ve never thought ANY politician was perfect, nor any human being.
And I rather doubt that any Obama supporter ever believed Obama was perfect. That’s just a line from anti-Obama folks like yourself.
You know what, Sugar? I pray at the altar of freedom, democracy and the U.S. Constitution, which is why I (and many other Democrats) are so appalled at you clowns and your preening, self-congratulatory little “movement” to elect John McCain. Your ignorance of the real issues at stake at this election is matched only by your boundless self-regard, which in turn is matched only by the fierceness of your truly psychologically disturbing hatred and loathing for the fantasy figure you have erected in the place of the real human being named Barack Obama. You build up this towering edifice of fantasy in order to have someplace to deposit your personal angst and then spew out your stock attack lines like “praying at the altar,” as if that had anything to do with anything.
I have less tolerance for PUMA bullshit this morning because I spent the weekend reading The Shock Doctrine, a timely reminder of how damaging igorance idiots like you people can be in a democracy. Grow the hell up.
Your ignorance ??The Shock Doctrine? One weekend of reading and you see god eh?
EST training helpful for you?
No, a lifetime of reading, fool. My weekend reading just pissed me off more than I usually am at ignorant, low-info voters whose choices are determined by Reverend Wright and Michigan delegate apportionment instead of, say, tax policy, health care, the Iraq War, the 4th amendment, and the like.
Your “EST” comment is just so typical of the NQ poster: no information, bad choices, ad hominum insults in every single response in the preening, hyper-confident, hyper-delusional tone of the cultist on home turf. Go vote for the fucking fascist Republican, asshole. Patriots like me will be working to save American freedom from the sorry asses of numbskulls like you.
Hey Sfhillary, I was calling you on the use of calling Sugar (who is more than capable of speaking for herself) or any one else for that matter “ignorant”.
Now all for the fact that you read a book, which opened your eyes? I am a fool, Sugar is ignorant. And for the piesta resistance, “Patriots like me will be working to save American freedom from the sorry asses of numbskulls like you.” . By electing an immoral, indifferent and inexperienced human called Barak Hussien Obama?
So how is BO and his FISA “position working for you? You are aware that he throught Dodd and Fiengold under ‘da’ bus?
So how is that “refining of Iraq policy” working for ya?
So how’s that non single payer care working for 15 – 20 mill that don’t get it? You one of them? McCain is a 5k deduction, BO ??? BS 2.5k…
Unless BO contrives to “borrow” Hillary’s plan we are screwed for years.
Tax policy? No matter how you want to slice income redistrubution, we live in a place that is exposed to forces that makes BO tax policy “quaint”.
I am a fool and asshole and numbskull and sorry ass. Thats ok! I am also many other things.
BTW sfhillary; Your funny. You get all puffer fished when someonecalls you on your position. WTF is “patriotism” to you anyway?
The EST comment was reference to “shock”. Your so full of yourself and you have no self esteem.
For the record I have been an Indie for years, way back when driving to the polls vote for Carter, when he conceded and most west coasters did not get to cast a vote.
sfhillary, what are you doing here?
Isn’t this your week up in a tree
over in Berkely?
Or is it your week to shuttle
illegal immigrant crack dealers to
group homes in Riverside County
to avoid the Feds?
http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_9771473
You’re a piece of work.
Once you realize the stakes of this election, the idea that we can go 4 years with a McCain presidency so that Clinton can run again in 4 years (and who knows if she’d have a chance then after whatever happens happens), is pretty appalling.
It shows that the PUMA folks have zero interest in politics as a way of affecting public policy.
And the vested interest they have in claiming that people worship Obama is quite odd.
Because you lack the experience of the attacks we received from his believers over a long stretch of time, you lack the revelation we have about them. This leads to your silly provincial assertion that we are not speaking to an actual phenomenon. You fish are not aware of the water in which you live and breathe.
You two might not follow their practise, but you also do not incur their wrath because you are of their body politic, which is why you do not understand our justified, overt hostility towards them or our impatience with his agents, in general.
If you want discussion that befits your temperament, please leave here and make your own site!
It’s particularly amusing that you people think you’ve been subject to some vicious political attacks. You have no clue — none whatsoever — what truly vicious attacks sound like. No HRC supporter and no PUMA has ever been subjected to anything like what real political visionaries were subjected to in the past, like civil rights workers in the 50s, peace activists in the 60s, feminist activists in the 70s, abortion rights providers in the 80s, even the Clintons in the 90s or the utterly vicious and heavily funded attacks on John Kerry in 2004. Seriously. You have no clue. Your pampered self-pity is pathetic and laughable.
You seem to think it okay that the attacks came from within the party. The Freedom Riders were not attacked from within.
It’s true that the old timers faced worse than us. It is one of the reasons we are fighting for justice. We owe it to them and the future.
This said, you do not know who I am. You do not know what I have done in my life. You know little so you assume much.
Political service since before adulthood. Check.
University political office. Check.
Petitions, peaceful protest and picketing. Check
Arrested for peaceful protest. Check.
Jailed for peaceful protest. Check.
Beaten by police for peaceful protest and passive resistance. Check.
I’m doing my share. Are you, or do you just hide behind your typewriter insulting people.
Correct. PUMAs have zero interest in policy, or in America or the world. I don’t even think most of them have any real interest in HRC anymore. I think for a lot of these people, hating Obama — or more precisely, being part of a group whose shared interest is hating Obama and seeing him lose — is a drug. Online communities can be addictive this way.
sfhillary — you don’t need anyone else here. You reply to yourself.
Even talking to himself/herself this one still doesn’t understand country first! How sad!
sfhillary,
Your use of hyperbole is a testament to your intellectual and moral quality.
A quick perusal of PUMA sites provides a picture of a mixed bag of principled people who care about their country and party who are actively engaged in upholding the values of their founding fathers. Discussions are directed towards candidates and their surrogates because they embody their principles, policies and their modes of practise. To some extent, peoples reactions to McCain, Clinton, and Obama is a reaction to their principles, policy and practise. To the extent we dislike those 3 “p”s, we might also dislike the candidate.
If you have the intellectual integrity you appear to imagine in yourself, then you need only reflect on the attacks on the Clintons (racist, sexist, etc.) to see why people who identified with the Clintons are less than enthusiastic about embracing those who launched the attacks. (See the Guardian’s exposee on the Obama campaigns/followers use of old Republican talking points against the Clintons).
For example, if someone calls me a racist, then I have no desire to have further interaction with that person. If they persist, then they have declared a state of conflict between us. The Obama campaign declared this state of conflict and hostilities have not ceased, in part because people like you come here and think that the victims’ anger is unjustified and that the Sweeties should get over it.
Well, these Sweeties are not going to get over a third stolen vote to support a politician who is race baiting “And did I mention he’s black.”;
sexist “Periodically, when she’s feeling down…she lashes out…” and mental distress is not a women’s abortion health issue;
and an unprincipled, policy nuancer (FISA, NAFTA renegotiation, troop withdrawal, single payer system, etc.),
who says he’s not going to stoop to negative politics immediately before he says he’s the only candidate that will tell the people the truth.
If you do not think that Obama’s negative campaign against Hillary and his apparent lack of principle, as manifest in his policy reversals on foundational progressive issues, is reason to justify an active engagement against his candidacy, then we have no grounds upon which to have a discussion. Please go elsewhere with your puerile mockery and self-congratulatory intellectual flourish.
P.S. I’ve studied with Dr. Stephen Kent, a world renowned expert on religious cults. My perceptions of cult-like behavior among some Obama supporters are theoretically-grounded. If you are unable to see the parallels, then it appears that you lack the intellectual tools to do so.
Yeah, yeah. The Obama campaign’s “sexist” and (especially rich) “racist” attacks against HRC were the most horrible such attacks in recent political history, maybe in all political history. They were so bad, this “negative politics” based on a couple offhand references, that it justifies voting for a Republican. And Michigan, a state about whose primary HRC herself said “everybody knows Michigan doesn’t count,” now must count, completely, and with zero votes for Obama, no matter what the Democratic National Committee said, in advance, or it is a “stolen vote,” and you clowns are the equivalents of the Freedom Marchers in the 1950s.
But it’s everyone else who is in the cult — not you few thousand PUMA souls who hold deranged, fact-free opinions that everyone else in the political world laughs at. I can just imagine the operatives at McCain headquarters laughing and making the fruit-loops twirl around their skulls when they talk about you useful idiots.
Go have fun, spend the rest of the summer and fall spinning your insane conspiracy theories about evil Obama, then cast your ridiculous votes for the Republican. I’m through preaching to the silent readers here who are still persuadable. I’ll be back on November 5th to laugh in your faces and gleefully read your pathetic wailing about how the world has come to an end.
Thank you. I’ve saved your last paragraph as a reminder, should you decide to reverse your position.
SFHILLERY,
Don’t know why you waste your time with us typical, bitter white people.
Here’s why I’m voting for McCain…
BO is a racist, lying anti american whos main concern is himself.
Puma Power
sfhillary, whatever. lol You are a moron. Democracy means we get to vote however we choose. You need to get that through your thick skulls. We could all decide to vote Nader and TRULY ensure that Obama doesn’t win. What’s that I heard? A choking sound!? lol Get over yourself. You are the ones hanging around here like some losers for that con artist you kneel before.
Sugar;
I really do want your BBQ sauce recipe.
“Freedom, democracy and the US Constitution” when Obama and the DNC rigged primaries, subverted caucuses and Unconstitutionally threw out the votes of two states, so he could cruise into his “nominastion.” BWA HA HA HA. Mr. FISA flip flop loves this country, doesn’t he?
Get a load of this weenie. He couldn’t even handle this little job. lol Now he wants to control our nuclear arsenal? I don’t think so…
“Barack basically talked about how tough it was to generate real results through organizing and that it was embarrassing to him to have the residents out of control,” he recounted.
“He wondered if he had done a good enough job preparing them for the meeting,” Mr. Owens said. “He sounded angry at himself. He was questioning the whole methodology.”
Mr. Obama had risen to executive director of the Developing Communities group, but the demanding hours, small victories and low pay took a toll on him, and he decided to leave.
As someone who did community work full time for about five years, I can say, yes, it is hard to get big results. When you focus on local concerns, there’s a limit to what you can change.
That’s why I, like Obama, decided to make change through politics, where you can make more fundamental change than you can through local action.
so you’re for Obama who quit a community organizer job because the hours were too long and the pay was too small? Wow, you don’t have high expectations from a leader do you? But then again you obviously can’t discern what leadership abilities are.
He got great experience there and then moved on to make a bigger difference for more people.
As for money, he could have made far more money in his life if he made different choices, whether you look at it after graduating Columbia or Harvard Law. So it’s not as if the man has been chasing wealth.
Yeah, he figured out to BS desperate people a la Saul Alinsky. Obama said this was “invaluable training.” I hope he never gets the opportunity to implement his faith-based initiative programs. Goodbye, America!
wodiej — Obama thinks he’s already president — he said the other day — When I was a Senator. Now he is running for Messiah. He gets bored so quickly.
“When you focus on local concerns, there’s a limit to what you can change.”
What a stupid fugging thing to say. He has no problem traipsing his ass all across the country now to these towns that have “local concerns” promising that he’s going to do this thing and that thing but he couldn’t even handle this “from the bottom up” change he’s been touting!!! Face the facts! He’s the one who’s been talking about how change comes from the bottom up and yet when he was at the bottom, he changed NOTHING!!! Read the article and weep troll! He changed nothing! He merely benefited his own still thin resume.
He did get some things done at the local level and local work matters — but he realized, as did I and many other folks who do community work for awhile and then turn to public policy and politics, that to make big changes you have to MAKE POLICY.
I am hearing a lot about Gov. Palin? Alaska?
That NeoCon on Fox loves her! I usually don’t like anything CON but I looked her up and she seems pretty decent! For a McCain VP. If not Hillary (I know only dreaming)
Here is Sarah’s Page
Sorry about that!
You do know she’s extremely anti-choice, don’t you?
who Hillary?? NO, she’s not extremely anti choice you moron. She is for safe, legal abortions but wants it to be less of a choice women make by using safe birth control.
If you look above my post, you’ll see the post to which I was responding. That is how people post on blogs, you know. And then you’ll see to whom I was referring.
GO IRON YOUR BROWN SHIRT!
And you a minister taht’s pro chioce? That’s funny
No, Sarah Palin is extremely anti-choice. She just gave birth to her fifth child. They are all young, and one has Downes Syndrome. Conservative voters will have a hard time seeing America’s Hottest Governor running the country, if something happens to McCain. Neocons love her, because she wants to drill in ANWR, thinks global warming is a hoax and wants to kill polar bears.
that’s her right – and extreme is a word I use for the Obamabots like you!! Extremists! WE don’t need anymore of those. McCain is a moderate.
the law won’t be changing any time soon so quit using that as a threat!
It’s not a law that keeps abortion safe and legal, it’s a ruling by the Supreme Court.
And what policy views do you think I hold that are extreme?
Roe v Wade was about interstate commerce NOT abortion per say…
So get your facts or listen to oral arguements or read the the opinion.
What?
I just searched the entire text of the decision and neither “commerce” nor “interstate” even appear in it.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=410&invol=113
The main constitutional issue actually was whether there is a federal right to privacy that encompasses abortion.
And of course it’s Palin’s right to be completely anti-choice. But that’s not the Democratic party’s position, nor the position of the vast majority of Americans.
BTW, Fiorina is pro-choice. So her selection would really anger conservatives, with whom McCain already has problems.
McCain should run with Olympia Snowe and tell the conservatives to suck it up. He is still pro-life and would be the top on the ticket. Olympia Snowe would help him win. That’s worth consideration.
Believe, isn’t your shift over yet? How much beer money did you earn today?
That’s right, Dawnelle, you keep gathering talking points from the “neocons on Fox,” while pretending you’re supporting Hillary. Sigh. You do realize that any aspiration that Hillary Clinton ever has, and any policy goals she could or will ever espouse, would be attacks ruthlessly, to utter annihilation if possible, by the Republicans for whom you people are now carrying water?
the only one talking about annihilation is YOU Obamabot!!
I carry water for NO ONE!
I am equally FAIR to all.
UNLIKE those on the Obama RAT BOAT!
What have I said that is unfair?
I cannot vote for BO. He has no character judgement.
I am a Hillary Loyalist Now For McCain!
http://www.hillaryloyalsitnowformccain.com
If you really were a Hillary loyalist, you would go with the candidate who is closest to her views and who she endorsed.
Thank you for telling us how to think. Oh, I feel so much better now that I do not have to waste time critical thinking. It’s too bad there is not more people like believe around to help program us to follow Big Brother. Please pass the Kool-Aid.
K (Please fill in the KOOL blanks! One O is for Obama.)
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Oh Sh!t!
Troll’s are back on the job after their 3-day holiday weekend.
Aye, but it hasn;t improved their skills or intelligence!
With the shape the Dems are wrt contributions, I guess they couldn’t pay all the shills this holiday.
Which reminds me, time to send back another envelope with PumaDollars to the DNC, on their dime, of course….
LOL.
Didn’t know they had either>
http://blog.pumapac.org/wp-content/uploads/blog.pumapac.org/2008/07/obamaposter-11.jpg
Found this on a pumapac blog. Pumapac is getting strong, now putting out full color ads and flyers.
Fox just reported that Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama because Caroline Kennedy wanted to get into “the family business” and she was part of the endorsement deal. Thus she is on Obama’s VP search team.
I’m sure Fox News must have the greatest insight into what Ted Kennedy thinks because…why?
Oh, well, no, they wouldn’t, would they?
The NY Post uncovered that piece of info.
You honestly think a Kennedy is going to offer up an endorsement or any other type of political favor for nothin? LMAO!
Oh, the NY Post said, that Murdoch rag. Again, why would we believe them? They don’t have super special sources in the Kennedy camp. And what would Caroline want from Obama that she, with her name, wealth, and connections, couldn’t get on her own? If she lived in MA and wanted Teddy’s seat, she would get that on her own.
Who’s we??? You have Sybil issue?
Believe it or not–
How about because Murdoch’s daughter endorsed Obama?
Seems that would put FOX close to the stories doncha think?
The Kennedys don’t really need much from anyone at this point. They have anything they want. And they endorse boatloads of candidates every election year.
are we suprised?? The only Kennedy I ever thought had an ounce of integrity was John Kennedy Jr.
andrew — I bet Obama picks Caroline Kennedy. He likes to make a big splash and then make sure she is only seen and not heard.
You know someone posted yesterday about not feeding the trolls. I think it’s worth a try. I assume they will then just post a bunch of cut and paste stuff and talk to themselves. I don’t understand why their comments can’t just be deleted after that.
they will go away if you dont’ talk to them
I thought they were supposed to get KICKED OUT if they got personal?
Well they got personal with me. Accusing me of carrying water for the PUKES.
So I’m waiting to see believe get BOUNCED!
Then I won’t have to worry about responding to their lies and accusations. They are trespassing here anyway.
Why should I get bounced?
What have I said that’s a lie?
I wonder, do you trolls get paid by the comment or by the hour?
I’m glad that some in the MSM are pretending to do their job! I can understand their reluctance to step out too far though…we have seen a lot of “take-downs” already! They are citizens, just like us, and they know they can be targeted!
K Wynne –
The George Soros phenomenon has always be mysterious. If even half of what LaRouche says is true, our country is in for a world of political and socio-economic hurt.
We simply have to get Soros / Move-on / Dean / Pelosi / Brazile and Obama out of the Democratic hierarchy.
Something BIG is going on and we can’t see it yet. Too much is happening that is unexplained. Every day brings a new WTF to my lips.
I’m not a LaLouche fan, but maybe he’s on to something.
Everybody should give LaRouche’s pamphlet on Soros a read. If you can’t handle the total package, scroll down to page 17 and read the article titled:
GEORGE SOROS BUYS THE NOMINATION: OBAMA BORROWS IT By Ed Hamler.
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/080618_soros_dossier.pdf
Wellllll well well, looks like the trolls can’t use OMG ROE AND CHOICE to bludgeon us womenfolk any longer now that Obama has come out to a Christian magazine about his anti-choice views. One legal analyst said Obama’s remarks were so reactionary that the only other people who held those views were ALITO and SCALIA. So now we also have a better idea of what kind of justices Obama would see as SCOTUS-appropriate: The most anti-choice ones available! Poor old Nancy Keenan of NARAL had to twist herself into so many knots to justify what Obama said I doubt she’ll ever be able to walk straight again.
Obama is now officially to the right of even John McCain on abortion. Nice going, guys!
Hmmm, what will they try to scare us with next? Or will they just say SHUT UP! like Bill O’Reilly used to do when he was outfoxed in an argument?
Roe: Next one under Obama’s bus.
What Obama said is what Russ Feingold also says. It’s far from a conservative position.
We have to watch what NARAL says about Obama’s new abortion position.
Most folks don’t know that Roe vs Wade was argued before the Supreme Court along with a companion case – Doe vs Bolton.
Roe established the “right to abortion.” Doe established the “medical exlusions.”
NARAL was quoted in the LA Times saying Obama has always been “consistent on…the tenets of Roe.”
AHEM!
Yes, technically, since Roe does not address the medical exclusions, Doe does.
NARAL knows the case law quite well. Don’t be surprised if you see this disingenuous singular reference to the “tenets of Roe” more than once.
I feel another WORM (What Obama Really Meant) coming.
And you prefer McCain’s position?
I’d, uh, nevermind.
*****DON’T FEED THE TROLLS******
believe -
I gotta give you credit for having the courage to get out here by yourself and campaign for your man!
DO I PREFER McCAIN’S POSITION?
Well, no. But I don’t give a damn about any of McCain’s positions. He’s not a problem for me.
If Hillary does not end up with the nomination, then he’ll definitely get my vote. We’ll have a strong Democratic Majority. He’ll be a lame-duck, hamstrung, one-term President.
McCain will not be able to get ANY conservative judge confirmed for any court including the Supreme Court – so the Roe vs Wade fear tactic is useless.
McCain will not be able to fund the Iraq war or any other military operation without approval of the Democratically controlled Congress. Congress can end the wars if they choose to do so.
Hillary can work on her health plan for the next four years and be ready to implement it on day one of her 2012 Presidency – if would take that long anyway to get it up and running – no time lost.
Any Executive action McCain would take could be undone in the first minutes of a new Presidency.
YES, I PREFER McCAIN in the White House if my only other choice is Barack Obama.
BTW –
How do you explain Obama’s flip flops? On FISA? On the abortion “mental distress” issue? On campaign reform? On his glorious mantra about being out of Iraq in 16 months (or less)?
I’m really curious as to how you can defend him still when he is flying in the face of his “campaign winning” positions. When he is turning into the worst of the worst of politicians – pandering, lying about what he stands for.
Really. HOW?
Relvants BO Q&A
“http://www.relevantmagazine.com/life_article.php?id=7591″
imustprotest,
That would be moi!
Starve ‘em and they’ll have to find another food source.
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Barky Obama needs to understand that there are many Clinton supporters who just don’t like him. The WSJ gets it, Mark Halperin gets it and CNN with the poll they just released gets it. Wouldn’t you think its about time the DNC wakes up and they get it, before its too late. Geesh!
Today’s news is a stunner. Send $5 to Obama and you’ll get a chance of a front row seat from ten names pulled from a “raffle” for you and your guest, fly to Denver, etc.! And the last night of the Democratic convention moved to the 75,000 seat sports arena in Denver. Talk about no class (the raffle), and presumption (the 75,000 seat arena). Well I hope they fill that arena, and I hope Hillary is the candidate chosen!!!
HILLARY IS MY HERO
SHE MUST BE OUR PRESIDENT
HILLARY Or MCCAIN 08
FOR AMERICA
It seems we Hillary supporters/moderates are a highly
sought after group, by both sides.
Ha Ha! That was the first news article I read this morning at the office! Great article! McCain SHOULD Capitalize on the Hillary supporters!
I’ve been following all thru this thread and I’ve concluded that the 2 main Obama supporters here have be paid groupies. No one is into Obama as much they are to be chasing comments all over this thread to plead their case. I do know that there is a civil war brewing over at Barack’s own website with bloc groups forming and positions hardening with donations being held as ransom—this is a pretty wild election year!!!
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