Daily Kos, Along with Obama’s Base, Is Fracturing
By SusanUnPC on July 8, 2008 at 9:20 PM in Barack Obama, DNC, Daily Kos, Delegates, Democratic Nomination, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi
The other night, I wrote in “The Choice (But I’ve Been Touched) – A Long Overdue Update“:
[M]any Kossacks attacked the blog founder Markos (”Kos”) Moulitsas when he announced he was withholding his $2,300 donation to Obama’s presidential campaign because of his dismay with Obama’s backpedaling on FISA, public financing, and more. Kos titled his essay, “Rewarding good behavior.”
They continue to attack. And attack. And attack. Here’s one of the latest, from a diary by Kath25, “People Power Will Donate $2,300 Instead, Markos (Update VI)” — the 903rd comment:
Yeah, Kos is an ass, a liar, and a coward.
“Obama is going to raise a ton of dough and win this thing whether I send him money or not.” [Quoting Kos]
Bullshit. This is just an excuse and a lie. Some netroots leader and organizer! “Let somebody else do it. It’ll get done, somehow.”
Kos will cause Obama to lose, and will revel in it, just as Naderites reveled in Gore’s loss. There are only two possible outcomes to this election, and Kos and the lemmings in his footsteps either don’t care who wins or want to see Obama lose so as to exalt their own bloated egos.
by LongTom on Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 06:17:39 PM PDT
Here’s the link to the diary sans comments — advised if you’re on a dial-up connection or have an older computer.
If you’d like to scan the 900+ comments, go here.
I find myself siding with Kos here. He took his time endorsing Obama, and now is using the leverage he has to try to hold Obama to his commitments.
The sad reality, of course, is that Obama has no fealty to commitments over issues. Issues are merely fodder to be used to grab what he seeks above all else: Victory.
Now, every politician has to be focused on winning. But most politicians have some issues about which they genuinely care and are knowledgeable about. Obama doesn’t seem to hold any issues dear.
What should worry Denver delegates most is that, with Obama’s base bickering and more of them disappointed every day in Obama’s backpedaling, his much-vaunted ability to raise cash is being affected.
For every one of the Kossacks angry with Kos, there is another who is just as disappointed in Obama as Kos, and who is likely to donate not at all, or far less than before.
That’s a huge problem for the Democratic party, especially since Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean have counted on Obama’s “cash cow” — and that was, I maintain, the main reason that Pelosi and Dean pulled so many strings and bent so many rules to crown Obama the nominee.
They may soon regret that greed clouded their judgment.
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Well Said
Not at all well said: the repugnant “silly hate site” is an Obamabot troll.
He/she should be banned from NoQuarter (the aim is to make NoQuarter look bad).
An Obama troll who posts “I HATE OBAMA” over and over again?
Those Obamites are just too clever for us.
That’s their personal little inside joke.
You don’t see the Clinton people carry on like 12-year-olds.
In yesterday’s thread, a troll was writing banal dialog between his sock puppets. He does this in other blogs.
Kudos to Kos for waking up!
hear, hear.
I’m sorry. I don’t think I quite understood your comment.
Would you be so kind as to elaborate?
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I hope it crumbles to the ground, the DNC will get what they deserved, the people spoke, they did not listen..
The thing is that we tried to tell Kos that this was going to happen from the beginning… that Obama was going to disappoint everyone… that he was not going to stand behind his promises… that he was all just vague jingles and slogans… but he and his fellow Obamadroids refused to listen to reason… in fact, they were quite rude about it… so rude that we could not have a civil discussion with them. Now they are finally beginning to see… and its too late. It’s just too late… for all of us. Thanks Kos. Thank you so very much… I can’t tell you how hhhappy I am that you are beginning to realize what you and your people have helped bring about.
it’s not too late, and I am not going to fault Kos or anyone else.
This has been a horrible nightmare of a primary.
I think that it is to Kos’ credit that he is willing
to stick his neck out and take a beating.
PUMAS would just be happy if we could all
get together.
Nobody likes having the party fractured.
I would like to see everyone who has been
disenchanged with Obama to all get together,
and try to do something.
I’m starting to get tired of saying “I told you so” too — but I’ll keep saying it and saying it and saying (just as I did after fully half the electorate voted for George W. Nutcase), in the slim hope that enough Obama-Aid drinkers will learn to avoid being scammed the next time around. I don’t have a lot of hope, as cognitive dissonance is very powerful indeed.
And you’re right, weltec2, it is too late. This great awakening is a wonderful thing, but almost meaningless now. Unless the majority of convention delegates have a mass epiphany and vote on principle instead of slick marketing, the nation is sunk, no matter who moves into the White House.
The polls today suggest that the politicos are misreading the people’s will. We’re not just disgusted with Republicans. We’re also equally disgusted with the Democrats.
This is a “vote the rascals out” year for all of them.
There is no mandate for the Democratic party. The way McCain is polling proves that is the case. The man is not good at speeches. His policies don’t please even his own party. He’s not a strong candidate. Yet he’s 2 points behind?
Good lord, if people can’t see what that says, nothing will penetrate.
Obama has failed. He has not energized us. I don’t care if he fills that whole stadium. It will be filled with rock-star chasers.
And that means nothing as far as the political will of the people goes.
Whomever reaches the white house will not have the will of the people behind them.
Nothing has changed.
Obama may have won the primary, but he did so in a way that has taken advantage of the system of the party to give people like him a shot. He gets credit for that. But the problem is that system also puts a minority voice in charge, which means that the real voice of the majority of Democrats is not heard.
That’s the party system. We may bitch. But that’s the party system.
He won’t convince many that he’s legitimate. He’ll be the photo-op candidate. That’s all.
He’s avoiding the real problems we face. We need real leadership, not GQ man.
And people will be very, very dissatisfied.
Bill Clinton was a new kid on the block, but his passion was in policy and change. Obama? No. His passion is Obama.
Bill need not worry that he’ll still be the one president for the people and beloved.
Obama will be a jerk.
Heh. GQ has been fairly relevant lately. I recall their 2007 Best Of list had Ron Paul as Dark Horse of the Year. David Chang was Best Chef. Mad Men was an Instant Classic. Bill Clinton – Public Citizen. Judd Apatow, Michael Cera, Jonah Hill, Seth Rogen, and Paul Rudd – Comedy Mafia. Javier Bardem – Villain. Josh Brolin — Tough Guy. Daria was Supermodel of the Year. Pretty Spot-On. A-Rod got a shout out. He’s dating Madonna while she gets a divorce.
http://www.sheknowsbest.com/gqs-2007-men-of-the-year-list/
I’m pretty good at spotting the next big thing, and I’m not seeing it with Obama. He’s a fad.
Excellent commentary as always, Ann.
I forgot from before….
Look Kos, Bowers, Stoller, Marshall it’s nothing personal but…..
You as stupid a group of pocket Hitlers as I’ve ever met. And I met me a few buttheads back in the day when being fleet of foot meant a lot more than how fast you could type when is came to ‘dealing with the man…’.
You weren’t there. Too bad. Not really a problem until you ignored the history we made, which cost us the attention of the country for over a generation, and went out and stuck yer dicks in a crack an just plain….
….fucked dat dog.
Progressively speaking. And no we are not about to say, ‘Oh, hey no problem that Obama he’s a real A-Hole. How could you know?’
Nope you bought him Boyz.
He’s all your’s.
Fuckheads.
Ha! Wow. That was effective.
Typical nonsense – at least KOS remains a Democrat and will be supporting the Democrat. You have been taken in by Darragh Murphy, someone who donated to McWar in 2000 and is now working for McWar to win in 2008. PUMA – nothing but an RNC front.
no real democrat would ever believe that…
ah ha ha
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
http://www.rumproast.com/index.php/site/comments/puma_pacs_founder_darragh_murphy_proudly_presents_party_unity_my_ass_redux/
i donated to mccain too…
and your point is?
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Well unless the FEC is wrong no such donation appears for the relative of yours, Alex, who owns the sitename notetoselfdontdie.com or from you.
My point is this is an RNC front and it has been exposed.
You really do live in a dream world, mummy.
LOTTA Democrats won’t be voting for Obama.
You best deal with that.
Obama is not a democrat. He’s a free agent,
and works to serve his own ambition.
It is a great day for me that Kos realizes this,
and has the spine to say so.
wow, you got lots of spare time on your hands…
oh forgot, you must be one of those paid obama bloggers, thugs etc…
what’s next? death threats? threatening phone calls?
are you trying to intimidate me and my family?
there are plenty of reasons why my donation isn’t showing up on FEC right now…
good grief!
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
No self respecting Rep would donate a DIME to HRC! PUMA will have her out of debt by tomorrow. We are PUMA democrats and we’ve dontated $10 million dollars, that’s right $10 million dollars in less than 2 weeks to Hillary. Republicans would NEVER in a million years do that for her.
This is so NOT an RNC movement.
I’m voting for McCain – now go to my blog and read my posts for the last 2 years and find any proof that I’m a republican supporter moron.
Lies, lies and more lies. Go PUMA! Down with Obama! Hillary or McCain 08!
mummy smurf: I would sooner believe the entire Obama campaign is an RNC plot to destroy the Democratic Party.
I suppose it is extremely difficult for you to accept the truth at face value: We are (or were) Democrats who were right about Obama from the start, period. I suppose that in order to protect your fragile, weakening little bubble of cognitive dissonance, you must attribute our clarity of vision to RNC skullduggery. Or brain implants from alien invaders. Or Communists. Whatever tinfoil-hat craziness makes you feel better.
Of course, the more time, money, and blind emotion an Obama supporter has invested in this farce of a campaign, the greater the resistance to the truth.
Don’t worry, mummy smurf: When you’re ready to come to your senses, we’ll welcome you to the reality-based world. Just don’t expect much sympathy.
P.S. Have a look at my blog — no, better yet, my entire site (especially my Conservative Babylon section) — and show me one shred of evidence that I’ve harbored anything but extreme contempt for everything Republican. Show me. I dare you. If I’m part of an RNC plot, I’ve put up a damned good front of being a far-left lesbian Democrat for the past 47 years, don’t you think?
The disillusionment begins.
I wonder if Kos will be kicked out of his own blog like the Hillary supporters were, or will he again silence dissent and remove them?
Now that’s funny1
I just hope Kos realizes that he is not alone.
A lot of us have just waked up.
It is not to late to get back on course, and that
should be the order of the day.
Minn. gambling authority questions Obama Web offer
It would be hilarious if, in the end, instead of being indicted and arrested and tried and jailed for working with Tony Rezko to loot the Illinois treasury, they are carted off to jail for running an illegal raffle in Minnesota. Land O’Lakes I love ya!
Again, an overzealous intern (probably best buddy to the creator of the presidential seal knock off) thought “hey, let’s do a raffle, gets loads of money!” without thinking it through. That happens a lot in the BO camp. HA HA.
“I can no more disown my raffle than I can my Friday night bingo game…..”
“That’s not the convention raffle that I knew….”
Ha ha ha! (snortle.)
This is not the first time Obama has done this I remember people winning a dinner with Obama for donating money. He has already broke the law he done this several times
He trying to clean it up by saying that now it is contest. Too late he has done raffles in the past
With Obama’s “respect” for the law you could mistake him for GWB. Would it be a mistake?
“Why can’t I just play my raffle? Or eat my waffle?”
Gee, the Deceiver sure does have a large bag full of tricks and gimmicks, doesn’t he….
Newsweek finally reported on the fraud of his fundraising. The notion that he was bringing in all this new cash for new donors has been debunked.
Do you have a link?
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/07/08/four-myths-of-obama-s-money-machine.aspx
Holy smokes! Obamaweek finally published something about the Precious other than a fawning puff-piece?? WOW!
Actually I let my Newsweek subscription of many years expire because of their brown-nosing “coverage” of the Precious.
That is so funny because I did the same thing.
I have been getting ObamaWeek for more that 20 years and I just canceled my subscription.
I also canceled my Nation subscription.
I could no longer stomach the Obama Love fest.
Yeah, I cancled mine as well.
Even MaDo reported on it. Unreal.
I especially avoid her column, but I heard.
F— Newsweek.
Too little, too late.
They (along with the rest of the trifling media) knew where Obama’s campaign dollars were coming from all along. They were just too busy bashing Hillary and kissing Obama’s ass to report it.
Now they’re trying to pretend like they’re responsible & unbiased media. Because they’re losing (and have lost) many of their most loyal consumers after their extremely unprofessional Hillary “pile-up.” And they’re trying to do and say anything to get them back.
It’s good to see so many abandon the sleazy MSM. I love it.
Well this is good news.
Thank you so much for going to the Orange THING — so I don’t have to.
What the Koz needs to do is clear some of that Orange haze. Put in a blue sky to ward off your depression
Maybe take off the Lenin outfit and pledge to the Flag of The United States instead of your Commie overlords.
But he’ll never get rid of the Che posters.
I went to the kos site to read some of the comments. That’s 2 minutes I’ll never get back in my life. Their comments are not worth reading.
Though I liked the one in which someone decided not to spend $47 on copies of kos’ newest book, deciding that he’ll send lots of them anyway. That was pretty funny comeuppance.
I’ll buy his book if we can all join together and get out of this
candidate that we all find abhorrent.
In fact, I’ll buy 5 of his books, and encourage
all Pumas to do so.
You need to first don a HazMat suit before entering the Kos site, even if you are only at a keyboard.
I agree. Backtrack’s followers sound like pimply faced teenagers on their blogs. MyDD is the same. It’s all whining and locker room talk.
When it comes to donating and voting, the pimply-faced bunch are not reliable.
I’ve been watching the reports of the DNC not reaching their goals and now Gumbi is starting to feel the pinch. There is a reason why it’s called the Democratic Suicide Train.
Obama’s great money machine has raised only 100,000 to retire Hillary’s debt.
Amazing..
Maybe more like thrown under the bus.
All disenfranchised former Obama supporters are welcome here at No Quarter. Help us to nominate Hillary and send a message to the DNC.
When do they release June fundraising results? I’d like to know how Hillary did.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/contribute/IJ97
I’d like to know how Obama did too. Anyone heard?
. . . fundraising results supposedly due by mid-month. It would be funny if Hillary outraised him in June ‘08!
If the trend continues ~ down, that is ~ it will be his lowest fundraising month. Don’t have a link, but every month since February or March 2008, he has brought in less than the month before.
May’s number was $21.9M raised, but $26.2M spent! Attaboy! (ooops ~ racist statement)
I’d sure like to see a chart of In & Out since the first of the year. I’d put it together myself, but haven’t been able to find a source.
Hopefully, MSM will start to question why the number has fallen below $20M, but you can count on Axmeister & Co. to claim it’s because Sen. Obama (Numbnutz/IL) already had it wrapped up, so no big deal.
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Thank you for the info.
Follow the money. I agree.
The internal bitching amuses the hell out of me. Keep it up.
It’s hilarious that the Kossacks are killing their own. I also agree with Moulitsas for wanting to make Obama accountable. It’s unbelievable that the Obama lemmings are attacking him for not wanting Obama to win. They’re starting to act like characters from certain creepy novels.
It’s not surprising at all, because that kind of hatred and viciousness has no loyalty to anyone/thing. They just thrive on it, so they are going to turn it against any perceived enemy. It’s just like Bush: there’s always a Big Bad Boogeyman out there who wants to ruin everything, and it must be destroyed. Since they don’t have Hillary to kick around anymore, they will find another host to feed on. Ugly.
You are exactly right. The kind of viciousness practiced over at the Great Orange Satan just doesn’t dissipate overnight. The vampiric little bastards must have fresh meat to feed!
Like a pack of cannibals!
Lord of the Flies?
irony cleanup isle 1. irony cleanup isle 1.
It’s “aisle,” actually. But I’ll take your irony and raise you a bad pun. “Isle” and Lord of the Flies” and so forth.
Yeah, but we don’t want that bad ending.
We want to give the people who are
being clobbered an oasis where they can find R&R.
And we can all get together and get this cleaned up.
The more Kossacks who have waked up, the better.
Exactly. The bible pointed this out a long time ago:
‘As ye reap, so shall you sow’
I tried and tried to point this out to ‘Bonehead’ Bowers and Stoller over at Closed Minds OpenLeft.
They banned me.
Did the same at Corrente….
They told me to leave.
TalkLeft?
Armando no like me….fuck him anyway he cannot write a stitch, Bowers neither.
MyDD….
Need you ask? Jerome’s mind still works but Beeton and the other are all….
….on the payroll la Dee da!
The biggest revelation of this cycle is that when you try to use the tactics of ID Politics are win with ‘character’ you end up just like the Red Staters.
Droolin’ on yerselves while you howl at the moon.
Totally out of it.
The really stupid thing is, and I hold Markos personally responsible for this, is he knows better. He’s read Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny…he knows what John Dean is implying in his references to Alterman and his work.
Human brains are wired a certain way and much of the ‘new stuff’ the layers that led to civilization can be short-circuited by certain types of emotional and rhetorical appeal.
Thus….
Hitler.
Stalin.
Bush.
And if he don’t stop guzzling’ his own product, even Jay-Z ‘no betta Dan dat….
Obama
…rose to sudden and disastrous power.
For what remains of our nation’s reputation and the kind of country you want for you kids?
We’d better stop him.
I like the way you write.
Has rhythm.:-)
Yes. We damn well better stop him!
You must be talking about yourself and the other postes on noquarter?
Well, Elizabeth, I think A. Citizen was pretty damn specific about who he was talking about. You would fall under the John Dean’s Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny human brain short-circuited by certain types of emotional and rhetorical appeal. heading. Ahem.
I went to Kos to read what the Obamatrons are saying.
What’s interesting is they are panicking because they think Kos is trying to throw the election by withholding his $2,300 donation (like he is the Son of Messiah, or something).
And, they fear McCain will be elected if Obama loses.
I guess it either hasn’t occurred to them that Hillary still could be nominated at the convention and win the election, or they hate Hillary so much that is not an option in their minds.
GOOD cuz that’s EXACTLY how I feel about BAMBI~!
will NEVER vote for him!
NOT as CIC
it’s beyond hate at this point
Ditto. Everything about him creeps me out just because he’s EVERYWHERE. It’s not natural.
“That’s a huge problem for the Democratic party, especially since Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean have counted on Obama’s “cash cow” — and that was, I maintain, the main reason that Pelosi and Dean pulled so many strings and bent so many rules to crown Obama the nominee.”
“They may soon regret that greed clouded their judgment.”
I’m not a betting woman, but I sure as hell wouldn’t place a bet on “Jed, Granny and Jethro” coming to their senses anytime soon.
Nope. I’d bet money that they’ll only come to recognize the disaster of their folly on election eve.
love the “Jed, Granny and Jethro”. Thanks for the chuckle.
Obambi is rotten to the core, a professional con man.
God I mis Hillary!
2012 can’t come soon enough.
They’re turning on Moulitsas because they’re afraid that he is a harbinger of what is to come with other Obama supporters who have now opened their eyes to their Messiah.
I don’t Kos was ever that enthusiastic about BO. He just does whatever feels good to his ego.
I agree with LJ Markos was probably trying to hold Obama to some of his promises by using his clout.
When you sink like the Titanic it tends to make you crazy.
they are voting Kos off his own island, live by the sword, die by the sword=live by the cult, die by the cult
By voting Obama into office you will create a situation in which the center right will become the new left, and today’s left will become the far left, and today’s progressive agenda will be permanently moved off the table. He may be better than McCain, but voting McCain into office will not permanently eliminate progressivism from the political spectrum. On the contrary, it will re-invigorate it. Long term view or short term view? The short term view is myopic indeed. And it is exactly what they want to see happen. You will reward blatant lying on the part of your leader with undying loyalty. You want to reward blatant manipulation on the part of your leader with blind following. You want to prove them right – in more ways than one. They know you. They know how to manipulate you and make you grateful for the pitiful crumbs they leave for you. This year the only way for progressives to win – is to lose.
Well put.
And exactly right.
No, by my calculations the far left will become the new far right. If you look at it circular instead of linear. hahaha
we’re knights of the round table …
sorry, I had to.
The money doesn’t have a thing to do with it because $2,300 isn’t going to make or break OBooHoo’s campaign. People are actually beginning to awaken from their hypnotic trance and the Obama supporters think that if one of their own who was so deep in the Kool-Aid can actually come up for air what does that say about others who aren’t swimming in such deep Kool-Aid waters? They are scared sh**less!
I’m sure Moulitsas now knows what it feels like to be relentlessly attacked for taking a stand on an issue.
They are eating their own.
Love your name!
so do I
me too!
i always knew obama was a fake
Where was Obama born????????? Hell we don’t even know that for sure. What a loser!
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My lord, I just read some of the dribble at Kossacks home. Those people are severely brainwashed or Obambi volunteers, same thing, lol. Seriously though, they push aside FISA as if it’s no big deal, when in fact they gloated for months how their Obambi would filibuster the bill,lol. Pathetic.
My love letter to PUMAs:
http://www.liberalrapture.com/2008/07/puma-vision.html
Sending the love right back at ya John.
Thanks for your wonderful site, I stop in daily.
#1 story on the Countdown tonight is an interview with Obama’s daughters.
Where’s Olbermann been for the past week? Something happen to the guy? To hard to report on Waffles this past week? Rachel Maddow? Come on.
Hardball tonight Matthews once again minimalized our success in Iraq.
Can only take so much of Sean “America is the greatest, best country God has ever given man on the face of the Earth” Hannity and FoxNews.
Colbert/Stewart ‘08 is starting to make sense.
I have to have a drink before I can watch Colbert or The Daily Show. They’re funny, but I need an anesthetic before most of the jokes. Colbert annoys me, actually.
he lacks that certain ‘truthiness’
o/t – I read, listened to and watched the post on the Aspen Institute where Schoen did his polling thing.
And what was most disturbing to me was the fact that no testing was done on Hillary – her +/-. Nothing!
So I ask myself – self, if the people stand up at the convention, and the delegates and especially the Super delegates do what is right for our country, and at this leg of this god forsaken miserable journey – salvage the Democratic Party – Hillary will be our nominee.
Right now she has a 50/50 shot at it and I just don’t understand why these elites continue to pretend she is not a contender.
Since when did she become invisible? Who gives a rats ass about the Aspen Institutes polling data?
Honestly! Many of the good folk that visit this blogsite know BO and McCains +/-. We don’t need some pollster to come in and tell us what WE’VE known for sometime. Sure it’s validating but the problem is NO ONE SEEMS TO BE PREPARING OR PLANNING FOR A HILLARY RE ENTRANCE.
If they were, then I’d be the first one to give a rip about the “Elitspen Institutes” findings.
Thanks for indulging me. I had to get that off my chest!
d2d;
Thanks for pokin me. Your right. Schoen never said a thing about the POTUS in the room. Like watching the bouncing ball.
Odd.
I received an email from Democrats.com They want to symbolically hold money for you. This is designed to make Obama go back to his original positions. You don’t have to send in any funds.
Here’s the kicker – If you do send any money, they claim they’ll only release it if Obama goes back to his original positions. Then they say they’re not trying to hurt Obama and will absolutely release the money at some point.
What happens if he goes back to his original positions only long enough to get the money then flip-flops again?
I guess they didn’t think of that.
What if he never goes back to his original positions? If they vow to release the money at some point then the whole feet to the fire thing is kinda moot isn’t it?
What the heck is going on?
LMAO! Yeah, he’ll probably “pretend” to change positions so he can get the money and go right back to another position kind of like a pachinko ball. Ping! Ping! Ping!
LOL, Pachinko balls.
haven’t you heard? my server is Time Warner ( ala CNN, arabs,etc – very probama. homepage always has big obama news, no matter how small – ‘today obama watched his daughter play soccer’ blah blah
So here is TW Big bozo news of the day:
Obama campaign will be hosting issues meetings (sorry, forgot their catchy commercial name) Come to a meeting in your own neighborhood to tell us what THE PLATFORM should be. We want to know what you think is important, what you want on the platform, blah, blah. Contact the obama campaign to schedule a Platform party in your neighborhood.
Trouble is:
1. We thought the purpose of leadership is that experienced knowledgeable experts (like Hillary Clinton, for instance) are supposed to know more about this than we are. Now a Presidential candidate wants us to write the platform? Imagine if Ben Franklin, Tom Jefferson, Adams & company came up with that bright idea?
2. How exactly are all these trillions of opinions of hapless voters at house parties to be coalesced into one platform? Will it be like the new raffle turned contest- it depends on what you write and how you say it? Will there be a grand prize sleepover with obama if you come up with something reaaaaaaaly catchy and vote getting?
3 The obvious biggest problem being that snakeman can’t be held to remember what he promised yesterday nor to hold to a single position for even a full twenty four hours. So, how the hell does anyone expect him to hold to a Platform agreed to be voters?
Obvious answer: The platform is meaningless, the concept has no serious intention but it sure looks like a good way of acting as if he cares, doesn’t it? And better still, look at the voter lists these parties wlll get when they gather with obama campers who pretend they care or are even listening.
But, maybe I’m too cynical. Maybe they plan to run the White House like a giant TV dance show, where we all get to phone in our votes for what the hell the President should do tomorrow?
BF Skinner would be proud.
I think that is just BS. Just a way to get money. They will give it to him anyway. They are just as crooked and dishonest as Barack is. They are trying every trick in the book…. and if it’s coming from the DNC, it’s a lie… Just like the nomination… all BS.
I won’t give them a cent.
If not Hillary then Mccain. I would never vote for Obama, that would be a huge betrayal to Hillary and to myself.
They have such a history of honesty. I’m sure they would never steal your money. Oh, and they have a bridge in NY they want to sell us.
The only way Howie, Harry, and Nancy will back off Obama is if the congressional republicans or Bush tells them to nominate Hillary. They will cave in a New York minute and kick Obama to the curb.
Sad but true.
If anyone is in SF or going to be on July 15th
Who: Donna Brazile
When: July 15, 2008 – Tuesday
Noon to 1:30
Where: Palace Hotel, 2 New Montgomery Street, San Francisco
What: Fundraiser for “Obama Victory Fund” with Donna Brazile. $150 Donation
Information: barackobama.com/page/contribute/BrazileJuly 15
Here’s the info. – hope lots of PUMA’s & Hillary supporters will be in the area
I would go just to spit on Donna, the two faced shill.
Hawk up an extra big loogie for me.
Obama’s base is not fracturing.
They’re suffering from multiple fractures.
That’s what happens when you’re thrown under a bus that keeps changing direction.
Multiple personality fractures, a trait they learned from their glorious leader, lol.
LMAO.
Sybil for President, then?
sometimes yes, sometimes no..
Hi, what’s your name?
means your split up a lot !!
and it ain;t gonna fix it back
Obama is going to loss this election by a landslide.
This is why:
http://www.ifind2.com/news/ChoosingANomineeWhoCanWin.html
Sorry, lose not loss
Wow. Nice link, a must read. Thanks.
Personally, I have no sympathy for Kos. Sure, he’s entitled to his opinion and can withhold funds — or donate them — whenever he wants.
And maybe he didn’t come out personally to endorse Obama until near the end of the primary races, but he allowed his little online community to become a toxic cesspool of hate and misogyny, and he has no one to blame but himself for that.
I love watching them eat their own…from a distance, since I can’t bear to go to Daily Kos anymore.
I also got a kick out of telling HuffPo to kiss off. Got spam from them requesting “off the bus” help (one of their features) and I replied with a blistering earful.
Most of the blogosphere revealed its true colors during this primary season, and I was saddened to find that the Dems weren’t much different from the Repugs.
Gee, I don’t want to be Mr Know-It-All but I predicted (not here, admittedly) that once Obama won the nomination, his cult would turn on each other. It is really all they know. Once they were left alone with each other, they would attack those among them who were not deemed loyal enough to the Anointed One. In the case of Markos, could not be happening to a nicer guy. Josh Marshall better keep toeing the line. Must suck when you burned all your bridges, and your new friends turn against you.
Ain’t life grand? hahahahaha You see, what Kos failed to realize, in his quest to hang out with the “cool” kids, is that they are a bunch of emotionally unstable followers and they will kill for the one they love the most! In record-breaking time, they have tossed his ass right under the bus for doing what? Daring to question the “Messiah”. He may as well, push them on our because just like they did Tavis Smiley, they are gathering up their pitchforks and starting a bonfire as I type this.
I meant, push them on out…
You have so misread the situation. Not everyone lives in a world of stark good and evil, like you folks have here.
Republicans = Evil Democrats = Virtue Pot = Black (from the Kettle)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politics/09campaign.html?ref=politics
I just heard him say on TV that …the reps were saying he was moving more to the center.. and that now he was hearing it from his friends on the left..
From his friends on the left.
Excuse me, but who in hell IS to the left of Obama? Ayers, Grampa, Uncle Frank, Karl Marx?
‘His friends on the left’ infers that he is not exactly on their side. He is a little more over here. In the new middle.
He then tells you what his accusers might say about him, then he exaggerates the list to absurdity, thus injecting the conclusion that all the accusations are false.
example: “He’s young, he’s inexperienced, he has a funny name, and oh yeah, did I mention he’s black?”
That is classic distraction and substitution. Lawyers are taught this crap you know. Its how you minimize negative evidence.
Obama isn’t on the left. People are so freakin stupid when it comes to politics.
HILLARY WAS ALWAYS FURTHER TO THE LEFT THAN OBAMA! Please educate yourself. Obama is a right wing thug with right wing beliefs in regards to religion, education and health care.
As someone with a poli sci degree my head hurts due to how many people don’t understand these things and throw around words like left and center without even knowing what they mean.
It’s not Obama. It’s the party.
Pelosi has confused everyone.
I can’t muster a single ounce of sympathy for Moulitas. He allowed his website to become a home for the Obamamaniacs. His anti-Clinton posts were so repugant (only exceeded by Americablog) that I will never visit his website ever again. I wouldn’t give him the benefit of my “click.” So, thanks for going over to the BigOrange so that I don’t have to. As for Moulitas getting attack… Well, it was pretty predictable. When you create a mob, you shouldn’t be surprised when it turns on you. Perhaps Moulitas should have read up on Maximilien Robespierre.
B-b-b-b-b-but if Kos doesn’t support Obama … that means Kos is a RACIST! I need to go back through everything he ever wrote and reinterpret it through this new lens! It’s all so obvious now …
I’m not surprised that KOS is now fumbling. The site was grounded only in hating Hillary. That’s over now.
They had a chance to discuss the real issues. It was clear that Hillary’s health care plan was far more progressive than Obama’s. But they kept minimizing that truth. Now, they are in the position of having supported a candidate who doesn’t really pay too much attention to policy. He’ll say whatever the flavor of the day is.
I always thought DailyKos was a second-rate blog.
Woe Betide the Democrats!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3q8dHA4Hk
What is that expression-oh yes-violence always rebounds upon itself.Have fun “Kos”-you are a worthless piece of crap-and you deserve what you are about to get from the obama freaks.
It probably sucks to be Kos about now…thinking you had this netroots movement going only to find out it’s infested with paid Obamabot shiftworking astroturf bloggers. A life’s work turned into a joke in three acts.
frankly, i’m more worried about the raping of MLK’s legacy by Baracktrack…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
There are no paid Obama bloggers.
still,
frankly, i’m more worried about the raping of MLK’s legacy by Baracktrack…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
So you prefer a candidate who opposed a MLK holiday and a party which just heralded Jesse Helms, who filibustered the bill for the federal MLK holiday and who never apologized for his support for racial segregation in all areas?
And that’s how you uphold the legacy of MLK?
you ever read the I have a dream speech?
its the one Baracktrack plaugerisses
check it out in full…
its a great speech…
Actually, I prefer the party of Abe Lincoln and Martin Luther King Jr these days over the party of Dixiecrats and segregation.
Everyone has a history ‘believe’. As MLK Jr said:
“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”
If more Americans voted on that basis alone, this contest would not even be close, and the person who has shown us character in the face of adversity is most certainly not Mr Obama.
There are hundreds of paid Obama bloggers, and there are article in the press announcing this.
Apparently, according to FOX News (EDITED TO CLARIFY: FOX News information scroll running during FOX News broadcast, NOT FOXNews.com), the Obama campaign has hired 400 bloggers to influence the public discourse and sway Hillary voters to “remember we are all Democrats”, to give up Clinton’s cause, and to become dutiful citizens of the Obama Nation.
http://news.lavenderliberal.com/2008/05/11/obama-supporters-do-you-have-any-idea-how-predictable-youve-become-ps-nobodys-buying-your-latest-nicey-poo-ploy/
Sorry, Kos – blind submission to a messiah got you nowhere. You sold your site for a few cheap months at the feet of the adored – until you too landed under the bus.
Kos wants a Democratic president. And so do most Democrats. And we know Obama is not perfect — and never saw him as a messiah.
I’ve voted for lots of people I didn’t think was great. I’ve never voted for someone who I agreed with on everything.
This is called political maturity — it’s certainly not submission or whatever your fantasy world dreams up.
I agree. That’s why I voted for Kerry. Never liked him or related.
But this is different to me.
Obama has destroyed the Democratic Party.
I’m not going to vote for him for that reason.
Obama made a real mess running that kind of an abusive, hate campaign.
Kos folks know how to keep their eyes on the prize — winning the presidency.
So there are things some don’t like about Obama? Big whup. That’s true about every politician. It certainly was for Democrats and Bill Clinton. But they still voted for him because it makes no sense to be a purist.
The presidency is the least of the prizes in politics. LOL*
I know that KOS is being stupid.
Do you?
The least of the prizes?
Whatever. It’s certainly a prize worth gaining.
You may not think so. But I sure do – and so do many of millions of other folks, all of whom are well aware that Obama is imperfect – like every other candidate, president, and human being who lives now and ever lived.
Nah*……..we disagree. It’s PR only.
To Obama, that’s all the Presidency is… a prize worth getting. He doesn’t care about this country.
And you can see the commitment to winning the presidency in the statement Kos made about FISA. Sure, it was critical, but regarding Obama, Kos wrote “I hope he wins big.”
Folks are smart enough to realize that the perfect shouldn’t be the enemy of the good. Obama is far superior to McCain in the policies they’d pursue — as demonstrated by their lifetime voting records in many areas.
voting present? as in not voting yes or no?
as in a coward?
or as in saying they pressed the wrong button?
as is saying jeruselum is the capital of isreal?
as in holding a press conference shortly after a previous press conference to clarify his lies?
oh dear…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
You didn’t answer or acknowledge the point that Kossites and indeed the vast majority of Democrats don’t want to win.
There is no perfect candidate or president. Bill Clinton sure wasn’t, but I voted for him twice.
win?
winning would be having the best candidate… in this case its Mccain
why should we worry about baracktrack?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
i’ve never heard the tv crew laughing at the lame ass person on one of these news shows before… wow! breathtaking…
so, he finally comes up with Baracktrack is inspiring…. well, he is so inspiring that he has done ZERO for america…
can you believe that?
oh deear….
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
If you’re a Democrat, then winning means putting a Democrat in the WH.
But a lot of folks here never were Democrats. You can see it in their praise of Jesse Helms, their remarks about Marxism, their decrying of socialized medicine.
if your an american, winning means putting the best man/woman in the job…
oh yeah, can you answer this question?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjJFq5azXM
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Very few people had anything to say about Jesse Helms on this site.
“Socialized medicine” was a criticism of UHC used by Republicans that Obama co-opted during the primaries.
Marxism is only embraced by the hard line left, and the majority of commentators here are Third Way centrists.
Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ, believe, you repeat yourself a lot for someone who wants discussion and interesting political banter. You old whore.
You flaccid old cock your woman hating is showing.
and you still haven’t answered how this makes Baracktrack qualified:
voting present? as in not voting yes or no?
as in a coward?
or as in saying they pressed the wrong button?
as is saying jeruselum is the capital of isreal?
as in holding a press conference shortly after a previous press conference to clarify his lies?
and what about this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjJFq5azXM
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
hey Believe, where did you go?
must have had to talk to his supervisor before he could answer…
i’ll wait…
Huh? Wait! You mean believe posted the exact same tired comments they spam on every thread every mother-loving day and then had to split. “No, I’m not a paid poster. I just have a typed sheet of pointless remarks that I dutifully put up every day.”
Yesterday’s editorial in the Minneapolis Star Tribune was less than complimentary to Obama. I would provide the link but I do not know how this is done and my two teenage sons whom I rely on for tech instruction are in bed. In any event, for a state as liberal as Minnesota, this is quite an admission of disappointment for their candidate of change.
I personally think this will be his message. Disappointment.
Over and over.
He’s destroyed the party.
Don’t feed the trolls.
Historic? We have two wars, deficits, education failures, jobs gone forever, health care we can’t afford, housing we can’t afford…and the dialogue is focused on WHAT? Who adores the chosen one! Yes, the Democratic Party is finished! Even if they push this jerk into the White House, there are millions who will not return to the party!
I read somethng yesterday that said congress rating is at an all time low – i think it was 9% (which is cray), and lest we not forget it is 51% dems!!
add to that the Turkish embassy being attacked and 6 dead, plus Iran shooting a missile (towards Israel? notsure)..
then also Russia! they sent out a warning to the US I think I read 3 days ago and it was a threatening warning that we shouldn’t have some kind of radar equipment in their neighboring states (to track Russian missiles if I recall, i only brushed over the article).
but these are SERIOUS issues going on around the world like we haven’t seen since.. since… the cuban missile crisis ?… and can u imagine Obambi and his circle of thugs in charge of things?
I shutter at the thought!
You know this is quite interesting and very amusing. It was people like Kos that CREATED these diehard zombies who fall in line behind their empty suit messiah. Now that kos shows a miligram of integrity and trying to hold the bambi accountable, the zombies he created are shooting verbal farts at him for not bowing to their messiah no matter what he does!
This is quite hysterical!
Why did the DNC move to Chicago before the convention??? before the roll call?? demanded that super delegates vote BEFORE the convention???
Because Hillary was overtaking BO and the DNC had to call it early so the Obama did not have to pick up his ego…
This is the occupation of the DNC by Obama.
WTF…why are you talking about Jesse Helmes here?? Is Obama related to him too?? LOL
Obama and his zombies are all about selling whatever you’ll buy. He is a CON. His recent flips are just the warm up. I’ll bet the folks from Trinity United will say that they hardly recognize him now.
Why? He doesn’t need them anymore, he needs the Kansas vote now, so on to the typical white grandmother…I wonder why she wasn’t on Axcess Hollywood??
So Kos is not beling held hostage in his own readers. He can’t express an opinion in his OWN website!
How ironic?!?
I respect Kos a lot for taking an unpopular
stand.
Stuff means something to him.
Like someone said, we all need to be getting together.
Obama has disappointed a lot of people.
Throwing stones isn’t how to get together.
That’s Obama’s way of unifying.
Tactful dialog is our way.
Dems like to think that we are immune to the kind of authoritarian personality types that become blind devotees to a political leader. The frat boys at Daily Kos have proved this theory wrong.
It’s the sickest thing I’ve ever seen, and it has to be defeated.
I’m a thirty-year Democrat and I’m going to vote for McCain, not because I like him, but because I think Barack Obama is bad for the party, and bad for America. He stands for NOTHING but himself. And his followers–the kind who come here to pick fights–do nothing more than confirm my view.
A Loss is a loss..and I don’t care how Obama loses just as long as he does..
I TOLD YOU SO
(there, now I said it)
You’re an idiot. And a very unoriginal one, by the way.
“For every one of the Kossacks angry with Kos, there is another who is just as disappointed in Obama as Kos, and who is likely to donate not at all, or far less than before.”
Or…they could consider donating to bring down Sen Hilary Clinton debt to open up more options for her :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYNRkoOxRc
or support excellent third party candidates:
http://www.votenader.org/
http://www.swans.com/library/art14/ga251.html
Don’t pat KOS back to hard over this one. He is just getting ahead of the “whitey” curve. August is around the corner and so is the tape. KOS does not want to be seen fleeing. With this move he will be standing with us saying “i told you so.” The guy “ain’t” stupid. But man his posters and readers are.
Don’t pat KOS back too hard over this one. He is just getting ahead of the “whitey” curve. August is around the corner and so is the tape. KOS does not want to be seen fleeing. With this move he will be standing with us saying “i told you so.” The guy “ain’t” stupid. But man his posters and readers are.
[...] Daily Kos, Along with Obama’s Base, Is Fracturing [...]
It’s time for Kos to start backing Hillary, and in a big way.
WE LOVE OBAMA
WE LOVE OBAMA
WE LOVE MICHELE
WE LOVE MICHELE
WE LOVE OBAMA KIDS
WE LOVE OBAMA KIDS
BUT
WE DON’T WANT OBAMA ELECTED PRESIDENT. PLEASE.
WE DON’T WANT OBAMA ELECTED PRESIDENT. PLEASE
WE DON’T WANT OBAMA ELECTED PRESIDENT. PLEASE
CYNTHIA McKINNEY ‘08
PUMAS…LET ‘EM HEAR YOU ROARrrrrrrrrrrrr
HILLARY WAS THE BEST CHOICE
HILLARY WAS THE BEST CHOICE
HILLARY WAS THE BEST CHOICE
WHY?
HILLARY WAS THE SMARTEST
HILLARY HAD THE GUTS TO ACT ACCORDIJNG TO PRINCIPLES!
TO: HILLARY DIANE RODHAM-CLINTON
WE MISSED YOU, WOMAN OF PRINCIPLED GUTS, RESILIENCE, COURAGE AND TOUGH LOVE…yup, and we even consider waht that CNN moron McCafferty said about you as a compliment: “a Scolding Mother”—exactly what this country needs…..not a lazy arrogant easy-does-it cool rapper-wannabe president Bush-lite…..
HILLARY, WHERE ARE YOU?
HEAR THE EXILED PUMAS ROARrrrrrrrrrrr
Marcos Moulitsas: Eisai enas vlakas kai ilithios misogynis!
Arianna is getting it too at Huffblow. It is delicious to behold. Her book is sinking too. If you don’t count the millions of copies she bought herself to give away. Talk about bad karma: she makes Tim Russert the centerpiece of her attack on the media and then he has the poor taste to die on her. And his media cohorts have circled the wagons to protect his reputation. Anyway, she wrote an opinion piece called “Moving to the middle is for Losers” and the Obama worshippers have been raking her over the coals for it. Wonderful to see.
Obama: “I Don’t Care How Poor You Are”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGxzqwRJUzM&feature=email
Now to say Hillary 08
McCain 08
Obama is so corruppted-He needs to go back where ever he came from.
I like to know what is going on with http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/
You can leave a mesage there.But who is the messages going to? There is no reason if the site is being updated or what nothing-and it’s been t
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