Pollster Douglas Schoen at the Aspen Ideas Festival
By Charles Lemos on July 8, 2008 at 5:37 PM in Barack Obama, John McCain
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Pollster Douglas Schoen releases the results of an exclusive public opinion poll about the hopes and desires of American voters for the 2008 election. A 59 page powerpoint presentation is available for printing at Aspen Ideas Festival. Or you can follow along below:
I strongly urge that you give the 12 minute presentation a full listening. The presentation was given on July 7, 2008.
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OT but has anyone else gotten a strange e-mail from Huffington Post called “Off the Bus”? They asked me to join because I was a commenter interested in politics…I haven’t been to Huffy’s in…months and I haven’t commented since December? November? When I was called a racist bitch by Obamabots just for asking for no Dem on Dem violence. WTF?
I got it a few minutes ago. I haven’t commented there for several months, since Obamamania set in.
I tried to remove myself from their lists but couldn’t find a way to do so.
Deleted it before I’d finished reading it.
I got one. I tried three times months ago to comment but was blocked, I think, because I suggested Ariana was presenting an “ad hominem” attack on Hillary which seemed hypocritical since she doesn’t allow “ad hominem” attacks on her bloggers.
I got one too, even though I haven’t visited nor commented on the site in a long time. My theory is that the Wicked Witch of the West (aka Arianna…her “sister,” the Wicked Witch of the East, is Maureen Dowd, of course) has lost a whole lot of site traffic and this is an attempt to lure back people–she’s probably trying to sell Huff’n'Puff for muy dinero but has to prove her site is busy. Don’t go; continue to boycott!
I got one and responded that I didn’t go to their site any longer because of how badly the Obama supporters treated me…and I would not help their cause in any way.
Than I unsubscribed.
I dropped my subscription months ago because they stopped posting my comments. I sent an email to her at the same time saying allowing only one side to be heard was unproductive aside from the de facto censorship.
Son of a guy — I posted one thing a couple of years ago.
I wonder if they’ve turned our email address over to the Obama cult?
The message was deleted — and I’ll block the sender’s address on my IP’s server.
The only way to stop the DNC from sending you email is to access your email online at your IP server (they often have a way to access your email online) — check to see if you can block email from specific email addresses. I was finally able to stop the (*(*&*&^%^% DNC email!!!
Thanks for the hint — I have repeatedly tried to unsubscribe from DNC and use the silly number they send you to do so but they keep on coming. Guess they feel that harassment is the only option left.
Tried to unsubscribe one from BO this AM and it would not even make an initial connection — either too busy or initial block.
Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES.
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while I sat in that church? Yes I did.”
Yes, great list!
I have my own lie list started here, and it grows almost daily these days:
http://hillarysupportersformccainblog.com/2008/07/04/how-do-i-know-that-barack-obama-is-lying-because-his-lips-are-moving.aspx
This one is a keeper. Thank you.
I also received the email. Could it be this announcement about their plans to raise more venture capital, from last month:
http://news.cnet.com/the-social/?hhTest&keyword=Huffington+Post
“It’s crucial for the Huffington Post to lock down a solid audience, considering it began as a left-leaning political news outlet and some critics have been concerned that it will see a major drop in traffic after the 2008 U.S. election.”
Without half of the democratic party, and none of the republicans, I am sure that they are hurting.
Also, notice that they published their PUMA article today, and they are getting a lot of comments on it from the part of the dem. party that they alienated.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-tomasic/hillarys-puma-voters-say_b_111461.html
My theory also (see above); but boycott her site…don’t give her the traffic she needs to make money–not after what she and her minions did…they deserve to fade into nonentity status.
Bella; Only 58? LOL well done!
I will be sending around if you have no objections….
Here is the link, I know you don’t want to go to the site. But I think you will be amazed at the story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joanne-bamberger/for-the-first-time-in-my_b_111346.html
She does not think she will be able to vote for BHO.
I guess they are off the bus and now are under it.
I have to laugh at the blathering comments at the Huff’n Puff’s Bamberger post re: Roe v Wade.
Even Justice Antonin Scalia has said that it is settled law and he would not overturn it. How much more conservative can you get than him? The Repubs use it to fire up their base and the Obamabots are using it as a scare tactic. Most Republican legislators will say privately, if not publically, that it would never have a chance of being overturned.
YES! I unsubscribed months ago and I received that email in 2 of my inboxes tonight. I unsubscribed both email addresses AGAIN.
Got it also and haven’t been there in quite a while. It’s my understanding that huff & hubby are connected to the bo campaign, so thought it was curious.
Did she marry again?
Same here, re: the HuffPo email
I haven’t been there in 6 months at least and also requested to be unsubscribed.
StrawberrybitesBarky, I received that e-mail,too, and wondered what kind of game Huff is playing these days. I resist going there even via links so in no way qualify as a reader or commenter.
Ditto. As I was deleting it, I said, “You wouldn’t publish MY stuff anyway!”
Still, strange - haven’t been there in a while (and rarely commented anyway)…
Hmmmm. Traffic must be slow there or this is an underhanded way of welcoming us back into the fold…ehew. I just creeped myself out. It will be a cold day in hell before I join the likes of the Undead Believers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was down. Huffy went through some many wild swings as they moved from free speech to full moderation that made it take a day or so for your posts to print, to partial moderation, to scrubbing all dissenting opinions, to partial moderation with a pinch of the same scrubbing. Those people have acted like such tools that I’d amazing anybody still posts there except for the BOBObraindead. The BOBO brain dead can’t be generating the same amount of revenue that the huge crowd they had pre-primary used to generate.
I haven’t been able to get anything through their comment moderation in months, but I, too, got the email.
McCain wins with this simple phrase..
Country before Party/Country before Self
Obama wished defeat in Iraq and refused to stand when the President told the nation about the success of the surge.
Shame on you!!
If Obama was a patriot of the United States he would of got up and clapped our troops and America’s victory.
Now Obama wants go to Iraq..
We have won the war! Where have you been Obama?
Sitting on your hands wishing for defeat and retreat.
At 4:25 Doug accidentally calls Clark “Janitor Clark.” LMAO. He gets the shit job of slinging Obama’s mud. Doug thought that was a smart move and that Obama handled it well (in Rev. Wright fashion) by distancing himself from the comment but not disowning the person who made it.
So, to you, patriotism means cheering on a stupid war?
How interesting.
that is not what he said…
gosh, your stupid…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I am reading McCain’s biography, “Faith of My Fathers,” and I highly recommend it to anyone thinking about voting for him. His grandfather and father were both 4 star Admirals and exhibited unbelievable courage and ingenuity during WWII. I am not a hawk by any means, but the emphasis is on duty, honor and principles. McCain was raised with that ethos from childhood. He rebelled as a teen and in his early 20’s, but never turned away from that sense o duty and honor. Though I do not agree with his policies, I trust him. And that’s a hell of a lot more than I can say for BO, PLUS he has a miniscule amount of experience compared to McCain.
Lastly, McCain will put Hillary in his cabinet. Bet on it.
McCain turned down his own admiral star to enter the House instead.
It’s just ‘believe’….IGNORE is your best friend when you see a ‘believe’ post. They’re always stupid.
Believe, do you even read peoples posts before you blurt out your ignorance????
Don’t believe–just ignore, and all belief will vanish.
I’m a happy atheist.
Since I’m an American first,
I always cheer our troops when there are victories in a world where the United States protects Western Civilizations vital resources and protecting the world against Islamic terrorism.
The emergence of a Democratic Iraq which allies itself with the West and the United States will lead to stability in the Middle East.
Believe, It takes a thinking mind to understand!
Obama of course cheers the people are fighting but he is not going to be a cheerleader for this stupid war — A war most Americans think is a mistake and which Obama has always opposed.
Believe
I was against the war. I gave the same speech without fear of bringing it to a vote. I was a Deaniac until the scream.
I was against the war for all the crap we have seen.
To be a Leader one must look beyond the past and accept the reality of the present.
The conditions on the ground show that we are succeeding in creating a pro American ally in the region where World Resource Wars seem inevitable
We have a presence in the region which prevents all out world war.
I’m glad that we are in Iraq.
Years from now the Iraq war may even seem like a brilliant strategy for saving the Western World
@ believe: dude, are you stoned?
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Obama was already a cheerleader for the Iraq war when he said he wasn’t sure how he would vote and that his strategy was the same as Bush’s. He then decided not to cheer on our soldiers by avoiding policy meeting on Afghanistan, not visiting Iraq, sitting on his hands during the SOU address and not placing his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance or wearing a flag pin while pandering to the left.
Obama cheers no one but Obama.
It means cheering on the negotiations with the Iraqi government that are happening right now to begin the withdrawal of all foreign troops and leaving a free stable internationally recognized Iraqi government in its place, one that is at peace with its neighbors, including Israel.
Israeli and Iraqi foreign ministers have had their first warm cordial handshake that rocked the Arab world, it was widely reported in the Arab press. UAE has announced it will forgive Saddam era debt and open an embassy in Baghdad. The Saudis are expected to soon follow.
Time to go home now.
Your homework tonight Believe..
Foreign Policy…..You don’t know squat!!
It’s an absolute state of denial when what is being widely reported is ignored or ridiculed because it goes against all the pre-canned bullet points.
Honestly, that is awesome news.
Since turning off the tv, I’ve missed a lot of news. My time has been spent on learning and watching this campaign season.
That said, I sincerely hope peace lies ahead for our brothers and sister in Iraq. If it’s possible, I’d embrace it.
Patriotism is supporting our troops and loving our country no matter what. Of course, I wouldn’t expect anyone such as yourself to grasp this nugget of information.
Go back to supporting your candidate (who pathetically touts around a fake certificate).
I got the same HuffPo Email.
Listening to Randi Rhodes today, I got an earful of everything that’s wrong with what is currently calling itself the “Democratic Party.” First, Rhodes goes on and on AND ON about how amazing it is that Obama will be able to fill a 75,000 seat auditorium, and that “John McCain couldn’t do that!”
Um, Randi? Who gives a fuck? If being able to fill a stadium is a qualification for President, shouldn’t we be electing Tom Brady or Bruce Springsteen?
Second, Rhodes talks about the difficulty some people are having trying to get “backstage passes” to the Big Obama Event. “That’s the biggest problem we have with our candidate, difficulty in getting backstage passes..if that’s the only problem we have, that’s not a bad problem…”
Again- umm, Randi? The biggest problem we have with our candidate is that he is an unprincipled, corrupt, flip-flopping sexist windbag with ties to a racist church, domestic terrorists and slumlords. Backstage passes? Grow the hell up, PLEASE!
I think huffpo is trying to get us to come back. Ain’t gonna happen.
Why bother listening to that f-ing wh*re Randi Rhodes?
I’ve heard from the HuffyPuffyPosties as well. This is the text of the Huffington Post email I received this evening.
Hi,
It’s the electoral race of the century. Political maps are being redrawn, and rules are getting rewritten across the board. Fundraising records have been broken. The candidates are even comparing the sizes of their email lists.
The mainstream media is tripping over itself to report on every last press release and campaign announcement. But do any of us REALLY know what’s going on?
With you helping from the frontlines, the Huffington Post can change campaign coverage. OffTheBus is HuffPost’s citizen-powered and -produced election site, and we’re depending on readers like you to tip us to what’s going on or, better yet, to write up the stories you think should be covered.
WOULD YOU HELP US? JOIN HUFFINGTON POST’S OFFTHEBUS.
Click here to sign up.
Chances are you’re a political junkie. That’s why you got involved in HuffPost’s community as a commenter. But why stop there?
By becoming a member of HuffPost’s OffTheBus, you can publish op-eds and news stories to the Huffington Post. You get first-hand access to editors. The best citizen reporting is cross-posted to the politics page and homepage. Or, you can jump into our collaborative reporting assignments, like our Superdelegate Investigation or OffTheBus Party Map.
GET PUBLISHED AT HUFFINGTON POST.
Click here to sign up for OffTheBus.
Last October OffTheBus members dropped in on Sen. Barack Obama’s Nationwide Canvassing Day from more than two dozen locations. Hours later every observer independently relayed to us that the economy, not the war, was the voting issue. Twenty-four hours later we reported on the significance of the economy, beating the mainstream media to the punch by a few weeks.
As our numbers grow, the same collaborative reporting model that got HuffPost’s OffTheBus the scoop on the economy may tell us a lot more about what’s happening nationwide.
YOU GAME? JOIN HUFFPOST’S OFFTHEBUS.
Click here to sign up.
Best,
The OffTheBus team — Amanda, Marc, and John
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/off-the-bus
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Links
Superdelegate Investigation
OffTheBus Party Map
Face it. She’s a drunk that has Limbaugh-contract-envy. Probably drives her crazy that Rush has a 9 figure contract and she can barely stay on the radio with her raving bitch persona.
Rhodes will never grow up — she blew out her brain with cocaine as did Obama.
She is a narcissistic personality — just like Obama.
Al Franken is also a useless loser.
I hope the Repubs listen to Schoen’s presentation and take heed of his advice. While I’m not an enthusiastic supporter of McCain, he is a million times better bet for America than Backtrack Obama.
As if McCain hasn’t flip flopped many, many times!
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html
Barry smoked crack cocaine and had gay sex with Larry Sinclair.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY
Hey Believe
wouldn’t you want gay sex if you were married to Michelle Obama?
Tee Hee !!!
I Believe !! I Believe !!
and he is STILL a hundred times better than the guy that went to a racist church for 20 years, is friends with Ayers, Rezko and Auchi
and you know what?
mccain is still 100% a better person, president and leader than obama…
and the icing on the cake is he isn’t part of the slimey sleazy chicago machine…
you can’t scare anyone away from mccain when obama is the only other option…
ha ha…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
It’s not about being scared. That’s the kind of thing Republicans do - try to get people scared.
yeah, that’s why an Obama Superdelegate told us that if we don’t support Obama, the US will become a fascist police state and “they” will come and get us in the night.
Because REPUBLICANS try to get people scared.
I will never vote for Obama no matter what you spam here.
Hillary or McCain
Go PUMA!
I agree go PUMA!
if any puma/no deal members are from missouri..even kansas, please email nomeansnobama at hotmail.com. we’re trying to get our group together asap.
McCain took years to change his positions. LOL BOBO took the month of June.
I think what we’re seeing now IS the real Barak Obama.
What he projected in the primary was just the ruse to get the Kos lefties to support him to win the nomination.
The BEFORE was the lie.
Thank you for staying on topic. I think the presentation is accurate as of right now. In politics, nothing is static. Events happen but of as right now, Obama is leading and Schoen’s presentation, I think, offers reasons why.
Again, thanks for staying on topic.
Charles
McCain’s Spanish language ad doesn’t pass a basic fact check:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/errors_en_espantildeol.html
And his new ad which features hippies uses the slogan of the British Conservative Party from over 30 years ago:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/07/dont-hope-for-1.html
And before you post “examples” of Obama doing similar things, keep this in mind — If the public thinks they both shade the truth, the attack of one against the other for shading the truth won’t have any impact. There’s already one CNN poll that showed that they think both candidates spin. This sort of thing will just reinforce that.
Can you ask that schmuck Axelrod to send his propaganda to us directly and not through you
ha ha ha osbama…..that was funny!
I got it too, but I will ignore it since I haven’t gone food shopping yet this week, and I am currently out of kool-aid.
anyone else here think that Believe and BillAndHillary would be much, much happier at another website?
Or do you guys really enjoy bashing your head against a wall? Because really, you aren’t being productive here at all.
We aren’t voting for Obama.
We aren’t interested in your talking points.
What the Clintons do about Obama simply doesn’t matter.
What the polls say doesn’t matter.
I fail to see what is so hard to understand about what we are saying. WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA!! GET IT????
No, I’m sure you don’t.
You know what, you don’t get to decide where will be happier.
And you don’t get to decide who we vote for. Just because you jump when your Lord and Master snaps his fingers, doesn’t mean we are going to be indoctrinated.
I’m just suggesting you give it a rest. You have nothing original to say. We’ve been dealing with you bleating, uncomprehending dopes since January.
And just as I predicted, you’ll keep coming back to post Obamabot rah-rah BS and think you are accomplishing something. Be my guest, really.
Believe does that mean that Obama is now THE DECIDER ?
Just put some water in front of Obama’s photo and pray to Obama — the water will change into kool/cult aid!
Believe,
Americans see both candidates as flip-floppers (just as they did Hillary Clinton, and Bill before her), but continue to rate Senator Obama more favorably. Obama maintains a 6 point lead average in all polls. As long as he remains likable and the economy is in the tank, Obama will be the next president of the United States.
Wahahahahaah And I believe pigs fly!! wahahahahah
When pigs fly, tampugirl? Sort of like the chorus that insisted Hillary would win in a landslide once the “whitey tape” came out, and later, when that turned out to be a “whitey lie,” that she’d take it to Denver. Pigs fly, huh? Interesting.
It’s not over yet…Don’t be so sure of yourself young one.
The Whitey Tape rumors didn’t surface until late April. Hillary was already winning primaries by landslides then.
Most Americans think ALL politicians are, well, politicians.
So these attacks that Obama has acted like a politician are quite inconsequential — especially when McCain has done the same thing.
believe… Either get on board with us or piss off. You are starting to annoy me and thats not a good thing.
Believe I do hope your “shift” is over. You have spent it trying to refute ALL anti-Obama post. You are now at the point that you are making absolutely no sense. “Be on time for work tomorrow”…Good Noc.
Right. Obama is painting himself into a corner. He better come up with some real “fresh” policy ideas or he is at a disadvantage running against McCain on experience. He knows this, which is why he had Clark try to smear McCain’s service record. GE voters want to know what kind of change. Obama is falling back on tired political ploys.
As long as he remains LIKABLE???? Bwahahahahahahahahaha! He ISN’T likable and never was.
NEWSFLASH, mindless wonder—– Obamarhoid will be ripped to shreds when the republicans are let loose on him. He will be a shadow of himself by the time they’re finished publishing all the garbage they have on that loser. Personally, I’m looking forward to the “Whitey” tape. That should finally finish him off.
Interesting study
McCain has great opportunity to exploit his strengths but has failed to do so thus far.E ven with that said, Obama still only has a slight advantage..
Obama latest quote is that “people weren’t listening” as he has always been a centrist candidate.
Tell those folks over at Kos that they just weren’t listening when Obama spoke. So I guess they all voted for him in error.
The Obamabot talking heads who pollute POTUS, MSNBC etc are using the hilarious talking point that because McCain had the field to himself for four months this spring, he should be MILES ahead by now.
Of course, there is NO logic to this suggestion. Actually, McCain was off the radar for four months while the media fell all over itself to praise Obama in his contest with Hillary. What’s amazing is that McCAIN is as close as he is. Hell, it’s amazing people even remember that McCain exists.
Exactly. The Dem primaries dominated the news coverage by 60%. However, McCain used that time to tour the country and put i face time with voters. This will make it easier to drive home the “maverick” perception among the electorate. His first campaign ad was biographical and laid the groundwork for McCain’s reform record and independent mindedness. I really wish he’d run with Olympia Snowe, because she would help gel this impression.
Linda, I guess we’ll all just have to stop believing our lying ears.
You should go with the candidate who doesn’t like hippies - a real important qualification in 2008.
Huh??? Obama doesn’t like hippies either???Shame on him!
How the Hell can he run a country when he can`t run a campaign without screwing it up?
Minnesota Authorities Say Obama Web Offer Might Be Illegal Raffle
A Minnesota official has asked state authorities to investigate whether a request for money by Barack Obama’s presidential campaign constitutes an illegal raffle.
In a letter on the campaign’s Web site, campaign manager David Plouffe ties the solicitation to the announcement that Obama will deliver his nomination acceptance speech at Denver’s 76,000-seat Invesco Field at Mile High.
“If you make a donation of $5 or more between now and midnight on July 31st, you could be one of 10 supporters chosen to fly to Denver and spend two days and nights at the convention, meet Barack backstage, and watch his acceptance speech in person. Each of the 10 supporters who are selected will be able to bring one guest to join them,” Plouffe says.
How the 10 will be selected is not detailed. The campaign says the solicitation is not a raffle.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/08/minnesota-authorities-say-obama-web-offer-might-be-illegal-raffle/
For a candidate who “can’t run a campaign,” he’s done remarkably well, don’t you think?
Nope!
The illegal raffle was first reported here …
http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/obama-dnc-raffle-expense-paid-trip-for-donations/
From Investors Business Daily
Look!!!!!! believe is on board LOL
I have always have. I am only hear to highlight the stupidity of Obama’s propaganda machine.
never mind the typos
Well then you’re doing a good job. Keep up the good work fighting fire with fire…LMAO
You do realize this is not good for Obama, right? He was against the surge. He made it very clear. Wonder how long it’ll be before he says, “As I’ve consistently said, I have been the biggest proponent for the surge in Iraq.”?
Wait for it….
Uppity, Sugar has posted the latest from NewsWeek on the phony donation claim. Maybe you can cross post. From the begining I knew his money was not from small donors but from people who “are not bitter.”
A lot of it came from overseas specially the Middle East.
I phonebank in Gaza.
That’s right believe
Obama Playing Voters for Dupes
I would hestitate to accept the results of any poll unless I know who the pollster is and what his history is, what kind of success rate he has, who he is talking to, who he polled.
In the last few days, I have read on this website about how a 17 point advantage for Dukakis before the election in 88 evaporated into a loss. I would be more interested to see a posting on the success rate of pollsters in previous elections and what factors influenced the final outcome.
Karl Rove said, of course Obama will have a bounce after Hillary’s suspension; but apparently it hasn’t been that great.
The order of the Democratic and Republican conventions may make a difference with the advantage going to the later nominee. McCain is weak on the economy; he needs a good VP candidate. He needs some good socially conservative supporters to go out and stump for him. He needs to make a huge issue of the campaign financing.
I wonder what this pollster would have said in November/December about McCain’s chances for winning the Republican nomination. One delicious scandal revolving around Mr Giuliani certainly made a big difference in getting the Republicans to where they are today.
Hi! The first post about the videos!
The videos were not convincing. Really they were trite.
The big story will be non-party member voting. Also some clunkers. He thinks Obama is going to continue the use the “third term of George Bush” slogan? I doubt it after McCain pulled out the “second Jimmy Carter” retort. And he thinks people care about “global warming?” He grouped that one with others, a pollster trick. when addressed individually another poll found the global warming issue about dead last of concerns of the electorate.
Voters have short memories; Obama certainly thinks so. The second Carter won’t work as an election theme. Obama will just hammer away at “McSame.” That’s all he’s got.
This polling info is amazing. Thank you for posting Schoen’s presentation. With such a close race, Dems who are not at all interested in supporting Obama could have a very good chance of controlling the outcome of this election.
another VP candidate says no to obama…
anybody wonder why nobody wants to be on obama’s ticket?
Former Virginia Gov. Mark Warner reiterated Tuesday that he is not interested in being Barack Obama’s running mate, citing a desire to spend time with his family in an interview with Washingtonpost.com.
Warner, who is running for the open U.S. Senate seat in Virginia, said in June at his state’s Democratic convention that he would not seek a spot on Obama’s ticket.
Warner was asked again whether he’d consider such an opportunity Tuesday, after Virginia Sen. Jim Webb said Monday “under no circumstances” would he be a candidate for vice president alongside Obama.
“I’ve got three teenage daughters,” Warner said. “Their hope is that I will not engage in national politics beyond the Senate race while they’re still in high school. And we spent a lot of time as a family talking about it.”
Warner, however, said he was “very pleased” Obama chose to kick off his general election campaign in Virginia, and that the Illinois senator has a shot at winning the traditionally Republican state, according to Washingtonpost.com.
Warner and Webb aren’t the only ones to take themselves off Obama’s list.
Ted Strickland, the Democratic governor of the swing state of Ohio, told NPR last month that he would not accept such a nomination.
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a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
A reminder: as the clock ticks down to convention time, there is little time remaining to pay down Hillary Clinton’s campaign debt. While others might be salivating a the chance to win the raffle for Obama’s “acceptance speech” at the cost of a $5 or more contribution, perhaps some of us here can take that $5 or more and write a check to “Hillary Clinton for President.” Let’s keep Hillary in a position to speak her mind and be free of “obligations” that might turn into obstacles for her in the future. Hillary 2008. Best candidate for POTUS.
If want a real thrill, I just got an invitation to join him for a rock the vote concert here in chicago and it will only cost me $250 to touch the hand that may heal the country. I think not!
Who knows where that hand has been.
Does anyone know how much she still owes?
Oh boy, Oh boy, get to meet Obama backstage!!!!!! GAWD! Get a life.
This was in other thread
“OK my estimate count of comments by sucker –believe– in this thread is over 70.
My only answer to you is donation $70 for McCain and $70 for PUMA.”
Count here 14 BS posts by sucker –believe–
I will donate $1 for every post he made LoL
So $14 for McCain and $14for PUMA.”
Believe
don’t bother reasoning with these people. their boy Mccain’s still behind in every polls in existence. even in the slim instance PUMA does succeed, they will ruin Hillary chances of ever becoming president.
me? i personally come here for the entertainment value. some of the people here make Stormfront look like upstanding citizens.
And Barr would be where?? in the polls?
And we all know that historically, the candidate ahead by five or six points in the polls in July always ends up winning in November :>P
nope. just when they’re ahead in every battleground state, and pretty much all of the west
You seem to have a disturbingly loose grasp of what constitutes hate speech. No wonder you’re voting for Colonel Sanders.
Barr 08: I’m so drunk, I can’t even taste this chicken.
Richardson, the horses’ butt would sell the state of New Mexico to be Obama’s VP.
Great post Bella.
Riverdaughter said the last round of donations has paid half of Hillary’s debt down. Just read it at The Confluence…They’re also requesting suggestions to name PUMA’s Pub. Pretty cute.
That’s great news!
I received an email from TAP with an article praising triangulation.
But it’s now a new and improved triangulation. It controls the right, pacifies the left, and gets along with business.
All thanks to Arizona Govenor Napolitano. The implication here is that Obama and his supporters triangulation is a good triangulation. Clinton triangulation is bad.
But note the idea of pacifying the left. To me that means we’ll pretend to throw you just enough bones to keep you quiet. Meanwhile we’ll really get into bed with business.
But now that’s a good thing. Now that Obama is doing it.
Watch Napolitano. She’ll be Obama’s VP. Thereby pacifying women, the left, controlling the right, and getting along with business.
Dana Goldstein has an article on this. I doubt Napolitano would be Obama’s VP. She doesn’t bring much to the table. Arizona is an easy pick-up for McCain. It seems she and Edwards want US Attorney General.
Thanks, Charles Lemos, for taking the time to share this survey with us. Slide #17 was quite interesting. Looking only at the strong responses, it is 31% very favorable and 32% very unfavorable. And, he’s vulnerable to voters getting more information about his record, his associations and his character. His numbers could plummet.
Thanks. I think you hit the nail on the head.
uhh his conclusion shows more people leaning towards Obama. how does this help you guys?
+10% of 18 million will not vote. [for BO] in a 4 day span june4-5 to now, a loss of -6% for direct support of BO.
McCain -7% for Clinton to McCain. Opinion Research…(I know)
Taken in the aggregate it is a -16 percent point shift AWAY from BO in less than a weeks time.. Now add the MONEY factor and McCain is taking a decent chuck of that golden statue.
Because large stake Clinton donors literally don’t trust BO, and with good reason, especially when they witness the overt avarice display by the “O” not putting up anything but ego and zero’s on the scoreboard. Mile High stadium is like Icarus. Who in their right mind would contribute to that?
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Can anyone tell me why Michelle takes great pleasure in calling BO “pathetic” and a “lost puppy” and criticizing BO’s pants?
Here is the thing. When I met my sane half, it was polyester. Why won’t she just say here BO, those GOT to GO! NOPE. She makes a point of calling him on it on national TV, saying he is a fashion fopah. I paused the TV where BO is givin’ her the evil eye….Biting your tongue again BO? Or just catching up on your Quota of nasty looks.?
And come to think off it, why is Michelle wearing a picnic table cloth plaid? Like Ashley Wilkes making a dress out of curtians?…Eh BO don’t show up in Paris or NY dressed like that, spend some money on a wardrobe for Michelle, she’s been too long in that church “dude”! But you already know it’s “gemmie some of that” with her, don’t ya?
Charles I am struck by the negatives on BO’s “associations” @ -28%.
McCain has not gone there yet and BO starts with long odds.
The negatives for McCain are not ones that involve judgment and the “Bush Third Term” meme will be not impossible to counter, considering the major service faults BO has been making while he craps his way to some mythical “center”.
The hamstring for McCain is similar to the challenge Senator Clinton faced, in that Bush is bound and determined to be “relevant” and this may hamper Sen.John McCain’s reform message, where Hillary had to be circumspect with her words. To the extent that GW plays ball in rendering BO’s criticisms mute, it will allow McCain some latitude to move ahead.
Mr Johnson’s point about BO’s high water mark I believe is understated. The inability to get a “bounce” of more than the margin of error, is with out a doubt a very serious problem for BO.
BO’s judgment and experience factors when combined with his past associations are deadly. All his “fresh ideas” will be sun-dried and worthless when exposed.
Add this to BO’s lofty rhetoric that is not connected to any basis in fact…well, it is not a place to “gain” from. This will require BO to go negative in ways that will be rejected. If and when the RNC 527’s start slicing and dicing BO, he will be kept on the defensive. As we have witnessed, BO does not react well to even modest criticism, this will be turned on him.
McCain realized after 2006 he had to walk a very tight rope. He can do this by staying consistent with his positions.
The other item of note was according to the numbers the gentleman presented, there is not much more than a 10% percent spread between pro’s and con’s for either candidate. Those numbers are about to move as they are under political stress.
Interesting post. Thanks
Thank you for paying attention. I think the pollster at least attempted to be fair. Honestly, both McCain and Obama seem to be stumbling so there is opportunity for both it seems. My takeaway was that Obama should be up 10-12 points but isn’t. Will there be a Bradley Effect? Lots to ponder.
You people are going to be so disappointed the morning of November 5th. I cannot wait!!!!
Which people? Francis might be a Mule, meaning he is lockstep with the Dems. That’s one possibility.
If we are disappointed on November 5th it will be nothing to the disappointment the country will feel after it realizes it voted another incompetent, lying, manipulative politician into office thinking that “faux Messiah” was offering them “hope” and “change”.
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