FISA for Dummies
By PaganPower on July 9, 2008 at 1:00 PM in Barbara Boxer, FISA
Senator Barbara Boxer stood proudly on the side of the people today. Her admonition on the Senate floor concerning this FISA abomination is a breath of fresh air.
Barbara Boxer Speaks to the Senate on Immunity, Law and Truth
At this point in time to give retroactive immunity kind of makes a mockery of the fact that we’re supposed to be a government of laws, not people. We are a government of laws. Do we then come back and say, “Oh, by the way, there’s three laws over here that we don’t really like, so we’re just going to say to the people that broke them it’s OK? ‘Cause we’ve looked at it and we think it’s OK?” This is America. We are a country of laws.
~snip~
Last week we celebrated the day we adopted the Declaration of Independence, Independence Day, July 4th. In that historic document is the following phrase: “That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” The consent of the governed. That means the law has to be behind you when you undertake to do something like this administration did. They didn’t care about the consent of the governed. They didn’t care about the law that was in place.
Since it seems likely that this bill will pass the Senate I find it important to describe what this bill does so that everyone knows. Because the outrage I might expect isn’t coming from anywhere significant.
Below are a few primers. Instructive and entertaining.
1. The law retroactively legalizes a massive electronic operation to spy on the personal communications of millions of Americans – within the United States
2. The law allows physical searches of Americans’ homes and places of work without a search warrant or any other proof that anyone being spied upon is suspected of any crime at all
3. The law allows the same kind of unaccountable spying online and by telephone
4. Under the FISA Amendments Act, the only person with the ability to stop the spying is the same person who actually orders the spying to take place: The Attorney General of the United States.
Please enjoy this excellent video that will clear everything up.
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And while you are at it, take a look at this call to arms.
Please Vote NO on FISA!
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The folks on the right are celebrating losing their freedom as usual.
From the lgf:
“Today, Barack Obama is going to vote for the FISA bill he swore to filibuster when he needed the support of the far left.
The Senate is finally expected to wrap up the bill updating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act today, which includes the controversial provision of retroactive immunity for telecom companies facing lawsuit. While the bill splits Democrats, it’s expected to pass with united Republican support.
Obama will be back for today’s vote and has said he’ll support final passage.
The voting starts approximately 11:15 am ET, and everything on FISA should be wrapped up by 12:30 pm ET or so.
The Daily Kos Kooks are already gearing up for a serious tantrum, of course: Daily Kos: F*** the Democrats!
F*** Reid, F*** Pelosi, F*** Hoyer, F***Rockefeller, and , yes, F*** Obama. F*** ‘em all!”
Those who fought and died for our freedom, died in vain .
Both parties should be disbanded.
Preach!
Sen. Boxer doesn’t deserve the accolades. She’s influential among progressives, as we all know, but the woman sat on her hands throughout the primaries as Clinton was being bludgeoned to death by the media and the left. (And on June 4th she even swtiched teams and endorsed Obama.)
More importantly, Boxer sits on the Senate Commerce Committee, which oversees the F.C.C. and corporate ethics. In 2003 this committee under John McCain held a hearing on the radio boycott of the Dixie Chicks. So a few months ago, I spoke with Boxer’s office and later sent a three-page letter, asking that she push for a similar hearing on the 2008 election media bias, inviting the presidents of all the major broadcast networks, as well as Time and Newsweek. There are violations of anti-trust law and F.C.C. regulations, perhaps even a criminal conspiracy in the way Clinton has been piled on and Obama’s past (especially his connections to Iraqi agents) has been left unreported. When I heard nothing back from the senator, I started a campaign targetting the entire committee, which is still ongoing.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/MediaPushbackCampaign.html
Now if Boxer had stood up for Clinton months ago and made this a different race in the eyes of progressives, Clinton would be seen as the leader of the party right now, not Obama, and this horrible capitulation to the Bush Admin would not have happened. For more on the Obama-Bush ties, here’s a new article.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
I assume that this bill goes into effect right away which means that Bush can now legally do to Obama what eventually got Nixon impeached – wiretap him and his campaign looking for dirt to keep Republicans in power. That is where the real threat lies. The Bush administration has already shown its willingness to illegally use the power of the government to go after political opponents (just ask Don Seigelman). Now Democrats are making it legal for them to dig up dirt on themselves! How dumb can you get? They know that J Edgar Hoover used info he obtained from wiretapping presidents and other politicians to blackmail them. Why do they think they would be exempt from this kind of treatment? Or is the thought of wielding this power themselves just too tempting?
Putin must be impressed.
heh…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I think you need to take this thought process one step forward, particularly in regards to someone like Obama who has used his Gestapo-like internet denizens to his benefit, politically:
Some of the Democrats, like Obama, are making it legal to dig up dirt on THEIR opponents.
Don’t think it’s and “us” and “them” situation, because it is not. Obama is “them,” here. He has shown by his refusal to rein-in his ‘net thugs that he is very open to data mining-type operations for his own advancement.
The first thing I thought of when I heard that he was supporting FISA was just this. He is giving himself another possible tool, if he is elected, with which to try to enact his authoritarian consolidation of power.
This guy is dangerous. If he wins, get ready for the north-of-the-equator version of Hugo Chavez. That is, media outlets being shut down and opposition to him being made illegal.
I don’t know why people refuse to see this. He and his minions have already relocated the DNC and are openly talking about purges of the party and the establishment of shadow organizations for Democratic Party structures.
What does this guy have to do for people to wake up to what is going on? Does he need to fly flags with Che Guevera in his offices?
Oh wait, he already did that.
This is not about party, it is about our nation. I don’t care what anyone says about me, how they try to pigeonhole me or if people feel ‘odd’ to think about voting for a GOP candidate after having been Dems their whole lives:
If we don’t stop this guy then all of us will have to live with the consequences after the fact.
To repeat: It’s not about party, but country.
Barack Obama, his nutjob inner circle and his supporters like Jodie Evans hate this country and want to radically remake it. The ACORN gang, the Che lovers and Wright defenders are all part of this crew. The Xboxers don’t care, they just want to rebel against something.
I am not going to be led over a cliff because of a supposed fealty to party or a lockstepping antipathy to the other major party.
If it comes down to BaJoke vs McCain, I will donate to and campaign and vote for McCain without much of a second thought. I hope Hillary is nominated, but contingencies have to and are being made.
This is far too important an election for irrelevant categorizations to hold any of us back from doing what we must. Opting out is not, IMO, a viable option. We must actively reject this man, Barack Obama, or else live with his election.
I know many won’t move on this until after August, which makes total sense. I will also be working to get Hillary nominated during that time.
But if and when the time comes, please, do what needs to be done. For the good of our party and who is running it and how it is being run, he must be stopped.
NObama. Not now, not ever.
Period.
I need to find a more thorough explanation of this bill. The video on this post says, “anybody anytime.” If that’s true, that would include our representatives and senators. I find it hard to believe that they would authorize a total abdication of their own rights…maybe their constituents’, but not including themselves.
I’ll bet they the Prez could find a LOT of good stuff on a LOT of them, including Obama, of course, if they have been foolish enough to give away their own rights along with everyone elses.
>>>>>>>>>ALERT DANGER AHEAD>>>>>>>>>
IF WE DO NOT WANT ANOTHER SEPT 11TH ATTACK AND A PRESIDENT WHO WILL NOT ATTACK WE MUST NEVER GIVE OUR VOTE TO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A Barack Obama presidency would spell danger for the Middle East and for America’s interests in the region, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told WND in an interview. Obama will not support the use of force to fight terrorism by U.S. allies, such as Israel Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas’ chief political adviser in the Gaza Strip, said he “hopes” Obama becomes president.
READ THE WHOLE STORY AT:
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Why would this terrorist lover fight? Obama and his handlers are in it so they can raid the treasury and pick our pockets. Nothing else interests them.
Did you hear Uhhbamas stammering stmt on Iran ballistic missle test today?? I woke up to a scroll saying he said, this shows we must use diplomacy and tough talk to get Iran to do the right thing, or some shxt like that?? WTH is he kidding???
this idjit galoop cannot be POTUS
HILLARY WILL BE POTUS
ooooohhhh, tough talk from Obambi. I’m sure Iran is really worried.
This isn’t really happening right?
Wake me when it’s over and Hillary is getting sworn in.
big brother is taking over…
Well Obama voted yes on all three…none of which passed…Clinton voted the same..
Hillary voted for FISA?
Yes I watched on C-SPAN three votes…all three failed…Obama and Clinton voted yes on all three…it is on my blog what the votes were.
Clinton should be ashamed.
NO ANN those were amends to try and save us, she should not be ashamed, that was the right thing to do on the amends
she voted NO on the final vote
UHHBAMA vote yes, HE should be ashamed!!!!!!
The FISA related voting today was in regard to three separate amendments to the FISA act.
From the Hartford Courant today:
(begin quote)Dodd Anti-Immunity FISA Amendment Shot Down
By Jesse A. Hamilton on July 9, 2008 11:58 AM | Permalink | Comments (7)
The amendment that Sen. Chris Dodd has been pushing to strip lawsuit immunity from an update to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was — as expected — trounced in a Senate vote this afternoon. It pulled in 32 votes against 66 in opposition.
In a post-9/11 anti-terrorism program, the federal government sought and received the cooperation of telecommunications companies in tapping the communications of its customers without warrants. Dodd — sharing his amendment with Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis. — thinks the customers should have a right to sue those companies
Sen. Joe Lieberman, who has been on the opposite side from Dodd on this issue, was among those cast votes against Dodd’s amendment.
The FISA bill — an update to the 30-year-old surveillance act — is expected to speed quickly toward passage.(end quote)
———- and —–
from the Washington Independent today
(begin quote) FISA Amendments Flail and Die
By MIKE LILLIS 07/09/2008 02:57PM
The Senate has postponed a vote on its eavesdropping bill while lawmakers enjoy a short luncheon, but the chamber did already get around to killing the three amendments that would have held the phone companies into account for any illegal acts they may have committed under the Bush administration’s warrantless wiretapping program. A quick run-down:
The Christopher Dodd amendment, which would remove telecom immunity altogether, fell 66 to 32.
The Arlen Specter amendment, which would have the courts determine the constitutionality of the wiretapping program before immunity could be granted, fell 61 to 37.
And the Jeff Bingaman amendment, which would delay immunity until an investigation into the program was complete, fell 42 to 56.
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was in town and supported all three. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is on the road. Final vote to follow within the hour. That popping noise you hear is the folks at AT&T enjoying a champagne shower.(end quote)
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Had these amendments passed, it would be possible/easier to sue the telecom companies who cooperated under FISA. With the failure of these amendments (the nays outnumbered the yeas), bringing suit against the telecom companies is not possible. (If I understand this correctly, I would have wanted my representative to vote “yes” (i.e. yes, you can sue the telecoms, we strip them of immunity) on all 3 amendments. However, the big vote, on the FISA compromise (recently passed in the House) is yet to come. Please, anybody, clarify if I have posted wrongly here and thanks.
first vote on the last last done Clinton voted no
30yeardem-not any more;
Clinton voted NO on the the bill itself? And Yes to the 3 amendments?
Sounds like procedural stuff, Teak.
If you never get amendments out of the way, a bill can’t make it to a vote.
Yes I know…it is all on my blog…I missed a bit of the first vote on the final bill.
yes she voted yes on amends that were written to take out the teleco immunity and when they failed she voted NO on the final bill, Uhhbama voted yes
frakker
sit and spin neoprogressive OBOTS, he sold you down the river…….
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU
Yes, this would make sense. The amendments would have addressed the provision in the FISA act that gave telecommunications companies immunity to lawsuits brought by us citizens by stripping or delaying such immunity.
Hillary voted no? OMG. I can’t stand it. She kept her word.
Well, you know what that means. She’s evil.
/snark off
Yeah! I was hoping that the info here was incorrect.
FINAL VOTE OBAMA YES CLINTON NO
From my understanding (I may be reading it wrong), wasn’t a “yes” vote on the provisions of the bill, a vote to take away the immunity of the telecoms?
no, a yes vote on the AMENDS was to take away immunity
on the final bill when the amends failed a YES was to give immunity and keep the program
Uhhbama voted for that, Hillary said NO
Oh. And good for our gal!
It looks like the Dems caved in, and the bill passed, but not with her help.
(I’m not reading this wrong, am I? I don’t think so.)
I think McCain was not there for the vote!
Why that BITCH! Terrible Hillary voted no and Wonderful Obama voted yes.
Serves you right, Moveon!
It passed 68 to 28
69-28
This should be the final vote……
Obama…..Yes Clinton…..NO! ……………Total votes….68 Yes…….. 28 No……. It passed!
Hillary voted against the FISA bill, voted yes on amendments to strip out telecoms immunity.
Since it was strongly suggested I stop making utube videos, and when I didnt, my utube priveledges were revoked, I had to make another account. Well, here are my two new ones that I emailed the link out to any and everyone I want to see how fast youtube will revoke my priveledges on this account.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBosggjFhA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUq2VmHHrqg
I rated them but it didn’t take I don’t think…on the one it still said 0 ratings …
Yeah
I kind of noticed that when I responded to a comment and I am still waiting for it to show up. I am sure they will ensure they moderate to the extreme…cant have anyone “dissenting”. I swear, some days its hard to believe half of the things that happen are even real…
You are inspiring soldier4hillary. Thanks for your videos and posts.
We’ve got your back. PUMA!
Good job, Patsy. I commented using my Youtube name.
I swear, we are not living in America anymore. Keep on making your videos!
Here is the very first message sent to me because of these two new videos through my utube messages. Unbelievable. So we should just say to hell with our country and put Obama in the White House because its “our time”. I will be sure to think of that the next time I am sending half of my 1st and the 15th check home to help out my aunt who raised me.
These people have no idea that there are people out there struggling to get by.
They want us to be divided so Obama can lose, so McCain can win. Why do you think there was 44 presidents and they were all White. It is our time, Obama is carrying all blacks on his back not only African Americans. Read more on youtube, they are still saying that we are inferior.Let Obama be please. They are all against him. We do not need to be also against him. Only good can come out of it for you and I. We need to get our pride back after slavery. Remember 50 years ago McCain’s father would not let your grandfather drink in the same fountain as him.50 years ago McCain mother made your grandmother sit in the back of the bus,50 years ago your mother couldn’t be in the same school as Cindy McCain. Don’t let them use you!!
Great post.
What a pathetic statement . . . I’m sorry for slavery and its negative impacts but I’ll damned if I’m going to vote for some incompetent, unqualified, spineless, ethically-challenged, anti-american ‘zero’ and put this country in further jeopardy in order to make a symbolic statement about past injustices. What a bunch of drivel!
Can you tell me where you are, so we can organize a march to protest your comment.
AlSharpton – this comment of yours has no place in a civil discourse.
Go bully somewhere else!
Shame on you!
The slavery rhetoric is OLD AND TIRED. I am sick to death of it. They need to get off their complaining, whiny, lazy asses and do something productive.
I second that.
If Obama hadn’t played racial politics and ran on more substance, I would have voted for him. He goes out of his way to attack women in particular, if we can judge from his career. He plays dirty, though. The sexism his campaign indulged in and his smears against the Clintons – because it was the only way he could win. He needed crooked investors and media support. I don’t expect perfection from politicians or the world itself, but I respect decency more than ambition. Somehow, McCain has taken risks and stood firm on his beliefs, many of which I disagree on. I feel he should be rewarded with my vote. It’s too bad Hillary Clinton appears out, because she was the most qualified of all the candidates. Her vote today shows she is principled and the real progressive.
If you think Obama is going to address your grievances, think again. This country will never have a just, humane, equal society as long special groups in the society keep working to get dominance over everyone else. LBJ put programs in place that more than make up for slavery, but lots of blacks don’t want to live a productive middle-class life. It’s not enough to more opportunity given to them than any other group in society. They’re like the evangelical christians. They want total power, dominance and everyone else in slavery making money to hand to them. Ain’t going to happen.
Don’t let Obama’s people use you! Women of America, Rise UP! Defeat the great Black Hope and get Hillary in the WH!
Don’t worry, he is coming to woo you .
Hillary 08!!!!!
I have seen similar attitudes regarding women and how if someone was “really” a feminist they would vote for (Hillary) or (Obama), blah, blah.
Amazing isn’t it how lemmings think?
We do not need to be also against him. ??
soldier4hillary; this from a comment on your “new” youtube account? I take it that this individual is an AA and telling to you knock it off, just because of BO’s skin color?
I deeply respect what you are doing, were you ordered to “stop making utube videos” ? by your CO?
good Gawd Patsy, they truly are delusional!!!
keep fighting the good fight!!
BOOYAH!!!
HILLARY WILL BE POTUS
It saddens me that so many AA’s buy into this nonsense. You cannot strive for the future good while you are constantly crying about past events. We all know the ravages of slavery. The US government has been trying to makes amends with our black population for years, but their demands just never stop. As a white American, I want all Americans to be successful because it bodes well for the country if EVERYONE partakes in its success. At the same time, I want America’s minorities to step to the plate and strive to better their lot by taking advantage of what America offers to ALL of its citizens. This starts with a free public education. Educate yourself, and enhance your freedom by doing so.
The same thing could be said for Obama grandfather, grandmother, mother, and all those Kansas relatives.
Good for Barbara Boxer to speak out firmly against FISA.
Pelosi should be ashamed.
Barbara Boxer did not speak out for Hillary when it would have made a difference. I’m off all the Dems in Congress. They can whine all they want, they could have had a great candidate, a wonderful president who was positioned to win big. But, no they can’t tolerate having a strong president who might “outshine” them.
Barbara stayed neutral and said nothing. That’s OK by me.
It’s the ’say nothings’ that empower the Deans, Pelosis, Braziles, Hitlers and Obamas of the world.
Well. They’ll hear us loud and clear, won’t they? PUMA is not an organization, it’s an attitude and its a voting bloc.
Sorry, but I disagree. Those people who said nothing do not deserve to be held up in high esteem. They were chicken shits.
I agree Terri, I watched what she did, she bailed on Hill, and she stood up for DEM WOMEN FOR CHANGE with ALL Hills plans AFTER Hil was out, she is not to be trusted as far as you can throw her, but if her district likes her hey more power to em….at least she did the right thing on FISA today….
I think any Democrat who publicly supported Obama DURING his campaign should have a little fear put into them. I intend on voting for pro-Hillary Democrats only. I will also vote for McCain in the general election. Coming from someone who has NEVER voted for any Republican in ANY race, that is a big statement. I may also cross party lines to vote for some downticket Republicans. I am sick of the Democratic party, and for what it now stands. It’s time to clean house.
GO PUMA’S!
Pelosi would need another shot of Botox after shame so she doesn’t do shame any more.
Exactly Obama wants to rob and steal from Americans. Obama and his supporters are the Hate America Crowd waiting to inflict payback. You will never hear Obama talk about balancing the budget thats a joke in the Obama administration or paying down the debt. It’s about all the money they can make off the SUCKERS, oops American taxpayers. Contracts to AA contractors,Create bogus jobs friends and political friends, monies for the Jeremiah’s , Pfleger’s and the nation of Islam ( faith base Initiative he adopted last week)Obama is going to invoke PAYBACK on white America. Go get your James Brown CD Big Payback Revenge Get Ready You Muthas For The Big Payback learn the words because you will be hearing a lot of it if you don’t stand up and say HELL NO……PUMA YOU MUTHA
Ed Schultz is devoting at least part of his radio show today indulging in his favorite sport, pointlessly bashing the Clintons and alienating their supporters:
“How much longer can Hillary keep this up? Does she really expect Barack to BEG for her help? How much more can she push this? Pretty soon she’ll find the train has left without her. What IS IT with the Clintons?”
Guest: “Well, their agenda has never been the party’s…”
Schultz: “And THATS THE PROBLEM. STOP RIGHT THERE. Hillary needs to just stop this and get on board, no one want to listen to any more of this, how much more is this going to take…”
I wonder: Does Schultz really want Obama to win in November? Because I swear, every time he opens his mouth he loses his candidate thousands of votes.
Well FUCK HIM THEN. Hillary and Bill should just tell them all to kiss their asses and leave and we’ll see how far asswipe and his nitwit supporters get then.
Exactly, there will be no time in this election or any of the future in which the Dem party will back her as they have Obamination. She would have to run under another party. It is a horrible moment to realize we have been denied such a gracious, knowledgeable, compassionate, and productive President. Ahead of her time, the party doesn’t deserve her, but we sure do!
We stopped being a nation of laws when both parties decided it was okay for people to cross our borders illegally. There’s no justification for this unlawful act. If people in other countries need help, our government should do all that is possible to help them. If our businesses need more labor, Congress should raise the quotas on immigration. Breaking the law is a bad policy that will lead to exponentially worse policies.
But that’s the new America in the 21st century.
another issue that really angers me. We should be helping reform Mexico’s corrupt government not allowing people to break the law by crossing our borders. I’m all for helping people but we can’t help every single person in the world. It goes back to the accountability issue and welfare. I believe part of the problem is people know they can come here and get tons of freebies.
We won’t be on the same side on this issue. LOL*
Sorry, but I am from So. Cal. and there have been tons of research that shows that the immigrants pay far more in taxes than they take out from benefits paid.
Our flipping economy rests on the backs of those folks. Is it right? No. But that’s a reality right now, anyway.
Then why not acquire legal citizenship?
Heck, does anyone get through the legal process these days? Something like 9 years on a list and then get turned down in the end.
It’s not an option right now anyway.
nope, they absorb much more benefits than they pay for. If they didn’t they wouldn’t be able to survive on the wages they make. If you add in the free medical care they get and the free education for their children, they are getting much more than they pay for.
Their going to vote on FISA now
Clinton Voted Against FISA
I get it now. She voted yes on amendments that would have changed the bill. Voted no on the bill itself.
*yippee!*
I never expected to agree with Hillary 100% on all matters, but this one was a biggee to me. This is absolutely unjustified, and Pelosi should go down in flames for supporting it.
Ahhh. I got it right. (They try to be deliberately confusing with the language of the provisions, go figure.)
Yeah, Hillary!!!
Obama voted yes! LMAO. Can’t wait for the trolls to try to spin this one….
Got a link there Fred?
Kevin go to C-span.org.
Kudos to Boxer and Feingold! The democratic party leadership who voted “yes” are committing treason against the republic. Be it Obama or Hillary, if they don’t stand against this abhorrent immunity provision, then they have gutted the rule of law. The pigs have taken over Animal Farm.
HILLARY VOTED NO
UHHBAMA VOTED YES
Schultz doesn’t seem to understand that when he says “they need to stop whining, they need to grow up, they need to get on board and stop this nonsense” he may mean “The Clintons,” but we HEAR “Clinton’s supporters.” That means ME- and I don’t appreciate some overpaid faux-Progressive (he spent an hour this winter bitching that his $3900 business class flight t to Fargo was delayed- yeah you’re a Real Man of the People, big Eddie) radio hack telling me to “get over it” and “get on board.”
In fact, all Schultz does is make Obama and his ilk more repellent to me. I’m sick of being talked to like I’m a fricking POW who needs to admit defeat and play nice. I have another option, and I’m taking it. My vote is going to McCain.
Eat that, “Big Eddie.”
McCain didn’t play nice. They tortured him until his body was broken. He stayed in the camp longer than he had to, making sure other prisoners were released. I hate to even bring it up, but just wanted to say being a POW is not just doing what you’re told. I say that, because as someone from a very abusive home, I know what it’s like to be a prisoner. Not anything close to what McCain endured, but it’s a horrible experience.
Great
Now I have to see this asshole’s face when I open my hotmail account. It’s like some communist china crap with Mao everywhere you look.
Is it november yet?
i really am sick of him
great…
does this count as 1 of Baracktrack’s rare accomplishments for america?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
i finally understand PUMA and the folks like STILL FOR HILL…there misery has nothing to do with Obama, he is merely their scape goat. they are angry at the way the MEDIA treated Hill. feeling like the MEDIA was wrong, they can not punish the media , so they are taking their anger and frustration out on OBAMA…it is kind of like a battered woman who cant fight her husband back, so she beats the kids…with the damage those groups are causing Hillary or any other woman may not be able to run in 2012….”this movement as been televised” it will hurt Hill come 2012
Sorry Teabag. Bzzzzzzzzzzz! Off base. We hate Barky all by himself.
Now go kick your dog or beat the crap out of your mother or something. Make sure she bleeds, ya hear?
Sweet talkin again I see Uppity.
UHHBAMA IS A DISGRACE
HE JUST VOTED FOR FISA WARANTLESS WIRETAPPING YA FEEL GOOD NOW???
HILLARY SAID NO AND DEFENDED THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
FOR YOU OBOTS
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU
Bullshit. Just pay attention to their interviews. There’s no secret. They tell you directly why we are PUMA.
By the way, the group that is most upset about sexism is Women Count Too. They are only one group in a huge coalition that makes up Just Say No Deal and is supporting PUMA.
I love the battered woman analogy.
You,USSR, must be and approve of misogyny, PIG!
I bet you love battered women too.
You’re such a douche bag, TBLJ. We hate Obama, because he sucks and so do his supporters who come here with their shit-pinions. You’re like the abusive spouse who tells his wife and children after he beats them that he did it for their own good. If they’d just listen, he wouldn’t have to get medieval on their asses. You call yourself “hopeful” and “progressive.” You’re dumb brutes. You’re liars and cowards. Look at Obama’s vote today. You should kill yourself. Especially for using a Gil Scott Heron quote about media control.
good God, don’t walk, RUN to the nearest mental health clinic. You’re in serious need of help.
Barack Obama used moveon and kos. Serves them all right. Now Obama is snickering, “They will still vote for me no matter what I do or who I pander to; where else can they go?”.
Right- Obama isn’t the innocent receiver of the media’s largesse. He fed talking points to them and was a willing and eager partner in their vicious character assassination of Senator Clinton and her husband.
Air Obama Radio stuck a thousand needles of spite into Hillary while holding up Obama as a paragon of virtue unprecedented in American politics, and Obama sent paid spokespeople to appear on that station to spread the gospel.
Sorry, but “hey, don’t blame Obama he was just a bystander” isn’t going to fly here.
This is the frog in the pot of warm water on a slow boil. Getting rid of the 4th amendement is the beginning of the end of the constitution.
No FISA!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIJdmePn4lY
Bit by bit they are intent on taking away our rights and all the states internment camps that have been renovated are now ready for occupancy. Just say NO
Take back your Obama votehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOYyWpuEjyU
We had to have the supreme Court protect the second amendment-the right to bear arms.
Obama is secretly wanting to abolish the second amendment..first spie on us, then take away our right to protect ourselves..I can see where this is going can you?
something about my cold dead hands springs to mind.
yes I too am channeling Charlton Heston now, lol
something about my cold dead hands springs to mind.
I get that
What’s OBama care? He is more into Marx, Lenin and Stalin than than Democracy anyhow. Just think of how many people he can terrorize if he keeps the constitution whittled down and then whittles it some more. Suckers.
We should be worried about speaking Spanish NO?
Barak es el fraude más grande que he visto.
we are ignoring this shithead, right?
Right.
They come here to distract our conversation and ruin the thread. I worked in last few days.
Please ignore the distractors.
I disagree. He has a unique voice and an important one.
Tell him to use it in a church-not as a leader of America..NOBAMA! In experienced, phony and a Liar!
Sounds like he teabagged you, and you liked it.
Obama showed just what a LYING, FLIP FLOPPING, COWARD He is….Fuck Obama he sold out the FREEDOM of all AMERICANS
YAY HILARY YAY
BOO UHHBAMA BOO
AND FO THE OBOTS THIS ONES FOR YOU:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_hnylJ2scVU
WE tried to warn you but you wouldnt listen, Uhhbama is NO progressive and NO Democrat
lets hear it for Hillary!!
YAY YAY
BOOYAH!!!!
I think KOS should give his 2300 donation to Hillary now. *haha
There could be many, many more PUMAs coming our way.
I wouldn’t laugh. He should help retire her debt.
Word is out that we retired half of Hillary’s debt on July 4th..YOOHOO.
Thanks everyone.
That’s fabulous news!
Word is also out that Obama’s big doners refused to help her. They sounded like the obamabots apparently. Raised only 100,000. Paltry amount. Shoot, the Dems do better than that on state races when they retire opponent’s debt.
I say Hillary should take a clue and fade away from helping him. She’s due to help him at another fund raiser.
He’s thumbing his nose at her. Time for her to join Bill and just let him sink.
Bite me. My vote is mine.
I answer to NO ONE!
Republican for a day.
McCain 2008
hillary RAWKS!!!!!11!!1!!!
-=wipes tear from eye=-
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
jon benet ramsey is bumping FISA story, American news sucks
(and God Bless jon benet and her family)
I suspect they’re desperate not to report Obama’s vote. How to explain that he’s the Hope of the Masses if he wants to spy on them?
That said, I hope that poor Jon Benet will finally get justice.
I was wondering why this would suddenly come up (Jon Benet,God rest her soul).
They will do anything to not report serious news.
Could someone give me the low down I don’t have time to read everything, did they pass the FISA bill or not. Is it good for us or bad?
FISA allows the government to sidestep the judicial process to prove probable cause and get a warrant to tap into an individual’s phone, internet, etc. In the past, the telecom industry could be prosecuted for going along with taps that did not have a warrant. Now, there will be no reason the telecoms can state to hold off government intrusion.
It’s a bad law. It’s being passed on the basis of fear of the terrorists, but there is not a good reason in reality to circumvent the constitution.
I believe it should be challenged in the courts now and let the courts kick it to the curb.
It’s a violation of our constitutional rights.
YES it passed by a large margin.
SEE HERE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIJdmePn4lY
Sure enough, the MSM wouldn’t want anyone to know how BO voted on FISA
Some poor sap progressives been hoodwinked and bamboozled!
Has anyone seen the commercial where the guy messes up in Chinese and calls the business man “Mr. Stinky Fish Face.” That is what Obama will do, screw up a greeting and mess up names. He is ignorant about everything. NOBAMA!!! Maybe he will call Merkel, Ferkel (piglet) or Makel (tarnish). He might call call Sarkozy Saur osé (daring herring).
Obama, champion of the left, once again screws the left over without even a hug or a kiss.
CNN will be spinning this for Obama shortly.
Air America and all of the liberal radio stations will tell us how this is for national security. They’ll tell us that Obama isn’t really for it but is pretending to be to get elected. So Obama is doing whatever it takes to get elected. I thought that was a bad thing.
The same groups that screamed about it all this time are now for it. So how are they different from Republicans? So why shouldn’t someone vote for McCain? He was for FISA.
WORMs
of course Obama is for FISA..doh
He VOTED FOR IT.
That’s not just a fib to get elected.
OBAMA VOTED for FISA.
Obam voted to take away the 4th amendment rights to right to privacy!!!
What is wrong with these idiots on airhead america radio.
He’s fooking his followers and laughing all the way to the bank. Campaigning raises more cash than a real JOB. it’s all about the money.
OBAMA VOTED for FISA.
OBAMA VOTED for FISA.
OBAMA VOTED for FISA.
He says what people want to hear and the youth have fallen hard for it. I wish they would wake up. They are going to be very hurt if they ever do wake up.
They are getting screwed and either don’t know it or they like it.
How do you say ‘bamboozle’
It’s not too late to just say no to Obama before we approach 4 years of utter hell with him ruining this country beyond repair.
Anyone out there ready to defect?
Had enough?
Time is of the essence.
Just say no to Obama.
He is lying to you. Stand up and stop him form lying to you.
Went over to the orange satan and guess what, not one speck of FISA on the front page.
I’m playing the smallest violin in the world for them.
It’s like they know he is conning them, but they like it because it FEELs so gooooooood.
I just read a BOBOweenie post over at Huffy Poo that calmly stated
As an “Obama Follower” as you call it, I have:
1. No problem with him dropping out of public financing, it only made sense.
2. No problem with FISA, I am uncertain it is the telecom guys we should be blaming.
3. No problem with im adapting his position as the circumstances change in Iraq.
They don’t care anymore. Whatever it takes to win is OK with them. The BOBOists have all gone over to the dark side of the fringe
Such is the resignation of the battered and deceived.
Translation: I’ve know I’ve been Hoodwinked. Bamboozled. Led astray. But I will never admit it.
The typical behavior of Obama supporters.
SEE HERE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZyX-6C7FlY
Thank You Hillary Clinton For Standing UP For The Constitution and the American People
Hello Uppity Pleasure To See You Always
Same here Fred!
The vote: as posted on FoxNews (is this the only place I can find for info? apparently so! go figure!)
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress – 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On Passage of the Bill (H.R. 6304 )
Vote Number: 168 Vote Date: July 9, 2008, 02:47 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: H.R. 6304 (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 )
Measure Title: A bill to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to establish a procedure for authorizing certain acquisitions of foreign intelligence, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 69
NAYs 28
Not Voting 3
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State
Alphabetical by Senator Name
Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Not Voting
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
This bill is such a breathtaking breach of the Constitution. It’s stunning that the American people will sit back and take this. We are a dying nation. This is nothing less than fascism.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-hedges11-2008jul11,0,1553314.story