Negotiating Democracy: Brazile, Obama Plot to Keep Hillary off Convention Ballot
By iam0nly1 on July 11, 2008 at 8:00 AM in Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, DoD, Donna Brazile, Hillary Clinton
Obama and his minions are planning on staging some political deja vu by preventing Hillary’s name from being put into nomination, much in the same way Obama forced out Alice Palmer. Seems he feels he can only win elections if he runs unopposed. Not surprising, considering his enormous lack of experience and a resume thinner than Kate Moss.
Except, this time, there is no legal pretense, just his own blind ambition and ego that demands a 76,000 seat stadium and a speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate in Germany before he’s even the official nominee, much less the president.
Here are his minions, including the infamous Donna Brazile, trying to explain how following Party legalities and requirements would be too much of a blow to Obama’s ego [H/T to Riverdaughter]:
The problem is “there’s a strong feeling” that Sen. Clinton’s delegates need the chance to vote for her, Mr. Devine said. Many are still angry with a party decision that they feel deprived her of delegates from Michigan and Florida. “You don’t want a situation where anybody feels they’ve been cheated,” he said.
A second option would be for Sen. Clinton to be nominated, complete with laudatory speeches and happy floor demonstrations. By prearrangement, Sen. Clinton then would take her name out of consideration and endorse Sen. Obama’s nomination.
“There’s nothing symbolically wrong to putting her name in,” followed by a scripted withdrawal, said Ms. Brazile. But the spectacle of a rapturous welcome for Sen. Clinton would be irresistible to television and could embarrass Sen. Obama.
~snip~
The Obama campaign said Monday that the Illinois senator would accept the nomination at the 76,000-seat stadium where the Denver Broncos football team plays so that thousands of nondelegates could attend. But the campaign hasn’t settled other key questions about the convention, including whether Sen. Clinton’s name will be put into nomination, said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
Sen. Clinton’s campaign office didn’t answer emails seeking comment. Under party rules, Sen. Clinton’s huge delegate count gives her the right to put her name into nomination. “But do you do it?” asked Ms. Brazile. ”Politically, does it heighten tensions?” [emphasis added]
First and foremost, the “problem” isn’t that we, Senator Clinton’s delegates and her over 18 million supporters, want and deserve the opportunity to vote for her, the problem is that you all see it as a problem. And you’re damn right that if we don’t get the chance to vote for her, we will not only “feel cheated” we will have been cheated. And trust me, if we are cheated in this way, compiled with the other numerous injustices of the primary, there will be no unity. Not now, not in November, not ever.
Second, under no circumstances will we accept some sort of “prearranged” condition under which Hillary is forced to remove her name from consideration so that the Chosen One may be exalted. Democracy isn’t a damn dog and pony show! Both names should be put into nomination. Hell, throw Edwards in there too. Speeches should be given and all delegates, automatic (super) and pledged, should be allowed to cast their ballot. Anything less is not Democracy. After all, Shirley Chisholm, the first African American and the first woman to run for the top spot of a major party received 152 votes on the first ballot and during the roll call in 1972 and she did not even win a primary state! For Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and her delegates to not be given their earned opportunity and voice is unthinkable.
And as for you, Donna, I don’t give a rat’s a** what does or does not embarrass Obama. Frankly, his unbridled ambition, and inability to form a sentence without the aid of a TelePrompTer should already be embarrassing.
Embarrassment is one thing and injustice is another.
It is inconceivable that there is even discussion of not placing Hillary’s name into nomination. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is the first woman to ever win a presidential primary or caucus contest. Beyond that, she is the winner of the popular vote and boasts a significant delegate count. Indeed, she would be the pledged delegate leader but for unscrupulous and undemocratic happenings at the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting.
Moreover, I thought we were against “changing the rules in the middle of the game” Donna?!?! So why are there even questions when clearly, “under party rules” Senator Clinton has a right to put her name into nomination? If he’s won, then he’s won. Why the need to fix the convention and subvert Democracy (AGAIN) because the Almighty Obama won’t be fully and unequivocally worshipped? No need to answer, Donna, we already know the answer: BECAUSE HE HASN’T WON DIDDLY, FRIGGIN SQUAT!
And just in case you didn’t know, 76,000 chanting sycophants on constant kool-aid IV drip will not be enough to silence the millions of Hillary supporters. We can smell what you’re cooking from here Donna, and it stinks to high heaven.
Now more than ever, we all need to be working with The Denver Group to ensure that there is an open, free and truly democratic convention.
The goals of The Denver Group are simple:
1) An open convention.
2) Senator Clinton’s name placed in nomination. No symbolic roll call vote.
3) Speeches allowed by supporters of Senator Clinton on
behalf of her candidacy.
4) A genuine roll call vote with Senator Clinton as a legitimate candidate.
5) No coronation.
It’s a damn shame that grassroots organizations have to formed to ensure that the Democratic Party is indeed democratic.
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I’m plotting to keep Obama out of the White House.
HEE HEE HEE HEE
Good one! PUMA!
RIGHT ON DITTO and did I mention???
I HATE DONNNNNNNNNNNNNA HAZELNUT!!
SHE HAS RUINED A WHOLE COUNTRY FOR MANY OF US!!
Just like Bush and Rush have ruined some pretty decent Metal Bands I once enjoyed and even SAW Gaven in concert!!
ruined now
lol
but really they R!!
Yes, let’s plot away! As long as donors keep a stranglehold on the money, he will continue to choke. And then in November, our votes against him will make Jesse Jackson’s solution seem so kind and gentle.
2008 Contributions to Obambi’s campaign in millions:
Feb —— $55
March —- $41
April ——- $31
May ——- $22
For June, July, Aug, Sept,Oct Obambi wants to raise $450 million.
That’s $90 million a month from June to
Nov.4.2008 !!
The only person I know that can raise that kind of money is Rezko’s and (formerly) Saddam’s billionaire buddy Auchi, lol.
There has been speculation and whispers that donations are coming in from middle eastern countries in amounts that are low enough not to trigger a vetting process ( ie.hundreds and thousands of donations in small amounts paid for under single credit card numbers).
I smell something stinky folks and I also expect somebody is going to dig a little deeper on this.
Obama’s campaign projected a $100M June.
Looks like it’ll be $30M.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/07/what-happened-t.html
Funny how Obamabots are claiming they’re not donating to Obama because they don’t want to help Hillary – but the REAL REASON is – they’re broke.
Those summer jobs don’t pay so well.
I think the reason Obama raised so much money in Feb. and March is that many Democrats felt that it was hugely important to defeat Hillary, because she would’ve been so easily defeated by the Republicans.
Knock knock, anybody home? Hillary, easily defeated by the republicans?! Are you on drugs? Obama is the one that is going to get his ass handed to him on a platter, not Hillary. Hillary could easily win!
Indeed Miss Brigette! They are “stupid on the koolaid”
what do you expect? lol
And just coincidentally, the Republicans gave tons of money to McCain and the RNC as Obama’s fundraising figures dropped off.
Perhaps the biggest reason was Barack sounded and looked good back then.
yep…..but he was getting the white glove treatment, too.
But I agree.
He’s out of his league, in my opinion.
What you are smelling is the stench of of Alsamaare in hiding with the $2 billion dollars he is hoarding.
“2008 Contributions to Obambi’s campaign in millions:
Feb —— $55
March —- $41
April ——- $31
May ——- $22
For June, July, Aug, Sept,Oct Obambi wants to raise $450 million.
That’s $90 million a month from June to
Nov.4.2008 !!”
His math is scary. This in itself is funny, but the way he is promising to spend money for this and that is scary to me as a taxpayer. Obama should not be allowed to run until he develops basic math skills.
And Donna Brazille…we should demand CNN take her off the air!!!! She needs a class in basic Democracy!
No, she needs a foot up her ass and a few years of doing menial work (picking row crops comes to mind) to charge up her humility battery.
READ THIS, Written by Donna Brazile on NOV. 5, 2004. “WHY AMERICANS HATE DEMOCRATS” How To Tap Into The Obama Factor. http://www.slate.com/id/2109328
He’s including donations to the DNC in that $450 million amount.
Another sign of the merger of the Obama/DNC campaigns.
His own supporters are to blame for his lousy fundraising this month. Hillary’s big doners were maxed out. They could not retire her debt. They could, however, contribute to his campaign.
The abysmal amount he raised for her is a clear slap in their faces, and I’m sure a large majority will just go spend that money elsewhere rather than donate to this farce of a unity show.
So they have only themselves to blame.
At my gym last night, there’s a cop who works part-time security at my company who was working out.
We got to talking, and he knew I was a Dem because “you watch olbermann” (make that WATCHED)…he is very clearly a conservative, but he admitted he voted for HILLARY!!!!
Hillary WOULD have won in November!
I HATE obama and the f*ckers who pushed this illegitimate huckster on us! (but I’m a raaacist).
I’ve said on here before that I’m married to a Republican who was planning to vote for her. She definitely could’ve won, but she wasn’t the “Chosen One”.
Obama falling in Ras today —
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Will be interesting to see Gallup’s numbers this afternoon.
http://www.Gallup.com
Maybe this is why we haven’t seen “believe” around today since she puts so much faith in those poll numbers.
PEW has him up by 8, but I know nothing about that pollster.
I personally think he’s in trouble already.
Annin, Pew Poll is outdated and all of the others are too on Real Clear Politics except for Rasmussen and Gallup.
I love the Rasmussen one today where Obama is 1 point ahead of McCain, can’t wait for McCain to take the lead and he will.
So sad that they hoodwinked Hillary for she could win but Obama can’t and should not win.
Zolgby I know is pretty goofy. They have Obama ahead in AZ, which I feel certain is off.
Thanks for the info about PEW.
During the primaries, they had a great site which ranked all the pollsters and how accurate they had been. The difference is that it was primary by primary, so we could see.
Not possible now. If they get their assumptions wrong, then the poll will be off.
I use the RCP average as a result of that. It seems safer.
Zogby is run by Obama’s friend. I live in Arizona. Obama is not up. People here want to see him skewered or chopped up and fed to illegals.
Why don’t they take the high and low out of their averages? Anytime there is more than ten points between the highest and lowest numbers, the average doesn’t mean anything. During the primaries, the point spread was as much as twenty points or more with Zogby and CNN/Newsweek polls at the high ends. Why did CNN keep repeating the exit polls about race when the rest of their poll proved to be garbage? Survey USA is the only poll which consistently provides complete methodology.
Where do I MEET MEN LIKE THAT????
Arghhhhhhhhh!
Vote for whomever you want in November but PLEASE support Nader/Gonzalez efforts to get on the ballots and to participate in debates. Do this by sending contributions and/or signing petitions in your state. Even if he doesn’t win in November (because maybe you and others exercised your freedom to choose and chose not to vote for him) your early financial support as well as your signing petitions to get him on your state ballot-which btw will not lock in your vote to this candidate in November- you will help to pave the road and ultimately open the door for third party candidates to seriously participate in national debates and elections…We NEED TO HEAR THESE CANDIDATES SPEAK. Our founding fathers NEVER MEANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE A TWO PARTY SYSTEM ONLY. Do the right thing. Support Nader/Gonzalez NOW-whatever your reason(s)…
Here is MAJOR REASON why Hilary supporters (men and women, black/white/yellow etc…rich ,poor,middle class) are disappointed…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUq2VmHHrqg
Check this You Tube message. This voter speaks for millions of Americans-all races, male/female, many socioeconomic levels…She is well-spoken…
If Sen Clinton does not choose to run for president,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYNRkoOxRc
we need a third party system in our country. We need to allow other groups to debate so that we can hear what they have to say and decide.
Help get these guys on the state ballots.
Help them get 10% support so that they can be allowed to join a google-sponsored presidential debate tentatively scheduled for Sept 18 2008 . Just to play it safe…help them get 20%!
Read about it on Nader/Gonzalez website:
http://www.votenader.org
Do the right thing. There is too much at stake in this election…
http://www.swans.com/library/art14/ga251.html
Also…support
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
Every donation counts- $5, 10, send what you can afford…
“Keeping the Democratic Party democratic.” That’s the motto of the newly formed The Denver Group. The Denver Group’s stated goal is an open, Democratic convention, with Hillary’s name on the ballot.
Their Web site says:
“To deny Senator Clinton a rightful place on the ballot in an attempt to foster a false image of party unity based on unofficial declarations by super delegates. It will fool no one and only create more disunity. It is in everyone’s best interest, especially the Democratic Party and its chances in November, to hold an open and honest convention.”
Forward these links (or this entire email message)to everyone you know.
PLEASE…stay attentive, focused, and active. Do it for the children…all the children. Help protect our country for their future.
I am not goint to encourge anyone to vote for these people…. reason
1. They cannot defeat Obama\
2. They could cost McCain the election
3. I want all PUMAS to vote for McCAin…
It is the most imortant act you will ever do in an election that the primary was fixed… We must send a loud message and elect all Republicans.
PUMAs aren’t all lockstep on our votes. We each will find a solution that reflects our own conscience.
I can tell you my own solution is to find good solid candidates, regardless of party label, and back them.
I’m done with Democratic Party loyalty. I’m done with partisanship thinking. I’m ready to see a real change.
I’m not going to give my vote to anyone based on retaliation. I will vote downticket and for the president that I think is the most qualified and has the most to offer the country.
There is one thing I do not regret and that is being for Hillary Clinton. She is awesome. I don’t intend to make myself uncomfortable just to make a point. Making a point is what blogging is about. My vote? Entirely too important for that.
AnninCa.
According to Henry David Thoreau’s essay, Civil Disobedience, a vote is a valid form of protest. When confronted with a government or political party not reflective of a citizens perceived best interest, disobedience to that party or government is the obligation that citizen. Thomas Jefferson made the same point, in different words, when he wrote the Constitution. When neither candidate reflexs my values, but one has achieved his position with total disregard for the traditional rules and courtesies, aided and abetted by the party leaders, would that candidate present more long term danger to me than the other? That is the real question. I’m inclined to believe Obama is the real danger, but as you pointed out, that is an individual choice.
agree
That’ll teach the Democrats! . . . to become still more like Republicans.
(If that’s even possible at this point.)
I’m not sure if I can do that. I really like Diane Feinstein. The next time she comes up for election I will vote for her again. I won’t vote for any other’s here. I’ve been told Arnold might be running against Boxer, that might not go well for her if he does. But, if Hillary is not the nominee I will definately vote for McCain.
I’m no longer declared so I get to choose the party ticket I wish to vote on. I think from now on I’m going to be looking at their records closely and only voting for those that do work with the other side on both sides. No more radicals on either side. I don’t mind Republicans being conservative on some issues, or Democrats being liberal on some issues. I just want to see and know they also work as well with the other side. Together for us all. Life is full of compromises, they need to get over themselves and know it’s no different for them.
honestly, only states in play for Obama have to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee.
Since I live in a very red state, I can abstain with no worry that McCain won’t win the electoral votes.
I am sorry, but Nader’s egotism in 2000 is the reason we’re in such desparate straits today. Without his arrogance, Al Gore would have been president these last 7 1/2 years. I cannot vote for Nader… Instead, I’ll probably vote for McCain, in doing my small part in derailing the Obamabots.
-MS
I’m sure Donna will be quite happy to know that the
liepropagandastory is working. You see, Donna Brazile was Gore’s campaign manager and she’d very much like you to believe exactly as you do. It makes a great excuse for her own ineptitude, don’t you think?What ineptitude? Well, Big Al somehow lost his own home state of Tennessee, just as he did Big Dog’s home state of Arkansas. Oh-for-two, in what should have been easy wins — either one of which would have put Albert in the White House. Donna probably won’t remind you of that, though.
Plus, there’s the matter of roughly a quarter million of your fellow Democrats in Florida alone who intentionally voted for the Republican candidate. Just as some are already proactively planning to do this year.
Or you can believe what Donna tells you to believe.
You are right. The Dems and Repubs are pathetic. I could never vote Republican because of what they have stood for since the Reagan years when he started wooing the Christian Coalition. I despise everything the Repubs stand for, and now I feel the democrats are traveling down the same path. Let’s let the big corporations buy us out – who ever has the most money wins…
It is time for a third party, but it is also time that we the people take back our parties (both Dems and Repubs).
I really, really dislike the Republican Party too but I always felt that McCain was like a party unto himself — sort of an independent in their midst. This is why so many Repubs don’t like him.
I have always kind of secretly liked him and have no problem voting for him even though I could not bring myself to vote for others in his party.
That is exactly how I feel, too. There are a few Republicans I respect and only a few. McCain is one of them.
Keep in mind if you really have a goal to keep BO from the Whitehouse there is only one solution. Back the man who can defeat him. Nadar or anyone else has no chance in hell. So by sending your vote there is the same as voting for BO. You decide—- do you want to live under BO’s Dictatorship of rule and risk further terror attacks because other Country’s see Obama as too weak to defend us or will not so we are game to hit on and destroy? Wake up America we must have either Clinton as my first choice or McCain as second but never BO
read and educate yourself learn why at:
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
Honestly, I ask you all, if either Mr.the looser,Edwards, or Mr. fat a** Richardson, would’ve won the popular votes and 1906 (or more) delegates rather than Hillary, DNC or Obama would’ve had a nerve to ask them not to be on the ballot?? Please call DNC (202-863-8000) to make sure this is not going to happen to Hillary delegates in the Convention!
The one benefit of Nader in the debates is that we all know he will not hold back from going after Obama. I think McCain is going to hold back – just like Hillary in the beginning – so he doesn’t get labeled as a racist, etc..
On another note, anyone else get the e-mail from Hillary about the T-shirt contest? They picked a t-shirt design and if you contribute $50 you get the t-shirt and help pay off her debt. Here is a link that explains:
https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/tsland.html?sc=1983&utm_source=1983&utm_medium=e
I’d also like to add that I’ve been discussing this campaign with a life long very conservative Republican friend of mine. He even reluctantly admitted that if Hillary was in the general, she would win. The Republicans know their chances defeating Obama are significantly greater, reason why McCain has been hanging low – expect the gloves to come off after the pep raly in Denver.
Wouldn’t it just be an awesome site if during his historically acceptance speech in front of thousands of fans and of course simultaneously broadcasted to many countries world wide, his teleprompter went down and he was stuck there having to finish without his prepared speech! It would be like Ashlee Simpson on SNL! Oh, what joy we would have .. I’m hoping for an electronic failure! I’ve got my Tivo ready!
Isn’t Keyes also running again? I think he’ll also go after Obama with a vengeance. They can’t use the race card against him.
I think I also should have written ultra conservative or ultra liberal stances so long as they also work with the other side. They wouldn’t very well be Democrats or Republicans if they didn’t have conservative or liberal ideas.
Please remember to join the Penny Protest. Go to this site http://www.hillarysupporters.com/PennyProtest.pdf and follow the directions to send a penny to the DNC. Then email PennyProtest@gmail.com so that this can get some press coverage if we get a critical mass.
Let Dean and company know that we do not support the nomination of an inexperience, arrogant and unpredictable nominee.
I am appalled that DONNA BRAZILE would even consider stifling the votes of 18 Million plus voters! THIS will assuredly DEFEAT Obama on his road to the Presidency if Hillary Clinton who “suspended” her campaign but did not quit is not allowed to be on the roll call! IT will certainly show that this is a PARTY of SOCIALIST PIGS and NOT of Democracy! Everyone as disturbed by this as I am fire off some letters to the DNC!
They know that there is more bad new on the way for the Obama campaign. They are afraid that Hillary might actually get nominated.
How thin are his margins with the SD if he has to worry about this.
It serves them right….they broke tradition and instead of having the convention in July, as would be the norm, they planned for their fix to be sworn in on the anniversary of MLK’s I Have a Dream speech….at the end of August.
Let them regret the eternity between now and then.
Let them sweat bullets that by then Obama will be so damaged by his own damned self becoming known that EVERYONE will be demanding Hillary be the nominee.
I know my son, a former Obama supporter now terms him “terrible” and won’t be voting for him.
Awesome. My spouse was a Clinton supporter who was going to vote for B.O. anyway, and now decided not to vote in the GE.
Especially when they see anemic numbers like this — http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Obama is barely ahead of McCain, who should be easily beatable. It’s 43-42, Obama up by one, if you don’t want to link.
Obama is sad. His kool-aid is getting a bit flat. The Rohypnol is wearing off.
If superdelegates did what they were designed to do (stop fringe destruction of the party with non-winnable candidates), they will all vote for Clinton at the convention because she is the only way the Dem party can now save itself.
Superdelegates were designed to be the super-conscience of the party, and not be bludgeoned or bought out to support another DNC trainwreck.
There is no better time for super-delegate king making than in this virtual tie between Clinton and Obama. They need to be neutral, step back, assess the realities that have emerged since the final primary vote was cast and do the right thing for the Democratic Party.
The super-delegates failed on every count.
Again, it is my contention superdelegates bailed out early because of their fear of another Chicago Convention mess once they understood the jack-boot vitriol of the Obama supporters if their candidate did not get the nomination.
They were scared out of their minds which is why they stopped thinking of the bigger picture and the facts on the ground: Clinton was the only winnable alternative.
The good news if they pull off this latest Nazi power rally stunt and deny one half of the Democratic electorate their rightful vote at the convention to support their lawful candidate Hillary Clinton, the storming of the barricades Denver will see will put the Chicago Seven into Disneyland Hall of Fame.
Brazile, Obama and company show every single day what rank amateurs they are. They are a disgrace to the Democratic party. The one year we should not have lost has been turned over to these pathetic hacks. It is no longer my Democratic Party.
Like NH has a change of heart at the last minute let’s ‘hope’ the super D’s change their hearts at the last minute too. Let’s hope they too find their voices like Hillary did in NH. Where is the backbone?
What is going on? The first woman to complete the primaries doesn’t get roll call? What on earth is going on? Our votes don’t count?
Everybody. Imagine what it would be like if they voted Hillary and Obama was embarrased like the thread story says. SO Fricken what?
Imagine this happening. All of sudden the convention stops dead in their tracks.
We need a Dem in the whitehouse and Only Hillary can win the GE.
Imagine everyone. Imagine what it would look like if the supers d’s found their voices. Imagine.
See it daily.
So Barzille knows what would happen because she can imagine it. She is trying to protect the illegitimate candidate.
I have to say this: they do not comply with Democracy and have Hillary on the first ballot roll call, then all of us storm and riot. Be ready.
The truth, why they plan this dirty trick is, Barack Hussein Obama (named by his parents),is a COWARD!!
He and his mentors/advisers are corrupt, deceitful ugly Americans.
The world is watching and this is NOT democracy.
Please God, do not let this injustice happen.Bring back sanity to the leaders of the Democratic Party.
God Bless America!
The Denver Group is having none of it.
The Denver Group is going after the DNC
Friday, July 11, 2008
The Denver Group First Ad Hits Chicago
The Denver Group’s first ad appears today (July 11, 2008) in the Chicago Tribune. We thought Chicago was the perfect place to start. For those who want to see a hard copy, it appears on page B5 of the Metro Section.
http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
Yay! Denver Group!
When will this Twighlight Zone inspired coup finally end? What a terrible message to send to our children. How can they feel good about Obama’s candidacy if they have to cheat to obtain it. The whole thing defies logic.
I looked and didn’t see it. I rushed out of the house, I will check again when I get home.
The First Blast Of The Trumpet Against The Monstrous Onslaught Of Dean, Brazile, et, al.,
I’m lovin’ it!!!!
I’m going to Devner on Tuesday. Got my one-day plane ticket with Southwest, take the Denver Skybus and lightrail to the Pepsi Center.
I’ll be there and I will be heard. This was small change considering what is at stake.
Clinton 2008!
Please help out the Denver Group with any funds you can. More ads will help the supers realize we are not fringe, and we are not going away.
Thanks, Heidi and Marc!
Anyone ever thought of the ACLU? The way they operate is if they get a ton of complaints and phone calls then they will issue a lawsuit pronto.
They only act if everyone complains loud enough.
i sent this to donkey brazile and reminded her that “rules” are “rules”…….thats right, aunt jemimah.
I just read it and made me emotional for my beloved America. Obama is fooling & “hypnotizing” the people.The ad will wake-up the readers.There is a strong message in it and the Denver Group is doing a great job for the country.God Bless you !
Justice and Democracy!!!
Hillary is the rightful nominee!
God Save America !!!
What recourse is there to civil litigation of the issue?
Isn’t what DNC proposes illegal or are these details solely the jurisdiction of the DNC?
Does anyone know?
Internal workings of a political organization are not subject to the laws of the land.
Thanks, Scott.
Does that mean any dispute, like Ickes rebuttal at the RBC committee, has to be litigated by the next level of DNC administration, in this case I guess it’s the Credentials Committee?
And are the members of the RBC the same as the CC?
And if that’s true, we’re royally scr*wed. It’s like asking the police to police itself.
So what good are citizen protests like PUMA which are, apparently, dependent on BM coverage to have any impact and we all know HRC’s already been scratched off their newsworthy list.
Not trying to be negative. I won’t vote for His Snottiness under any circumstances but I’m trying to get a handle on how effective our opposition can be other than with the obvious recourse, in the voting booth. And even then I don’t trust the GE not to be rigged.
“So what good are citizen protests like PUMA which are, apparently, dependent on BM coverage to have any impact and we all know HRC’s already been scratched off their newsworthy list.”
Old adage the squeaky wheel gets the grease. It is only under pressure from us not just threatening but NOT voting down ticket for the dems that are responsible for this travesty can we change anything.
I thought a dem controlled congress would be a good thing but actions speak.
FISA passed with a dem controlled congress.
barky had a chance to be a leader and bring at least the dems together and vote it down. I didn’t realize when he spoke of reaching across the isle he meant he was going to join them.
So what you’re saying is that even if His Snottiness did win a rigged GE, it would be next to impossible to fix the elections of all down-ticket dems nationwide which in itself might send a message to the Undems?
I agree with the squeaky wheel gets the oil adage.
And I personally think it’s imperative those of us who are disgusted with the undemocratic party speak out, if only to ease our own consciousnesses that at least we tried.
Rigging the primaries is one thing. It was done out in the open and in our faces. “ROOLZE are Roolze. db
But rigging a general election is better left to the GOP they have their hands in Diebolds pockets and vice versa.
If you want to see how the election will turn out look at this. It’s a joke but probably pretty accurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBrDzZCOQtI
After that the inner cities will be on fire and plasma TVs will be running down the streets.
Inner cities on fire?
Do YOUR bit for Domestic Tranquility. Go find a Korean grocer or bodega owner. Buy him a LARGE bore handgun and all the Winchester SilverTips your credit card will stand.
There’ll be peace on THAT sumbitch’s block!
Fred,
I bow at your feet.
We are talking of our country’s future in the hands of corrupt leaders. Are we in the Third World? Politicians are so corrupt they do their evil ways out in the open. Moreover, the devil went to their heads and killing is fun to them! One country is Obama’s cousin Odinga’s Kenya. Odinga killed the people who opposed him during their 2007 presidential election. I hope and pray, Obama is not getting advises from his cousin, a murderer.
Hillary, the rightful nominee!
PUMA goes beyond Hillary, though not yet. Once the convention is over, the PUMA and JUST SAY NO DEAL will shift focus.
This is about the party process. It obviously is corrupt and we need to demand change. Caucus problems, distribution problems, etc.
I can see an agenda that would take 4 years easily.
Yes. Watch the states he is now claiming he WILL WIN. Virginia, Georgia, Colorado. Who at the top in these states are coordinating the vote heist? These are the states that will need every election monitor volunteer that we can get to watch the precincts and vote count.
In particular, pay close election to Georgia and Mississippi. Obama has bragged that he will get out the black vote more successfully than before, but I wouldn’t put it past him to cheat.
Ickes e-mailed me that they will not be taking it to the credentials committee.
That is really disappointing. I think Hillary has thrown in the towel, but I hope I’m wrong.
It’s too bad someone hasn’t posted footage from the 1968 and 1973 Conventions.
So does this mean if a precinct chair commits voter fraud during a primary there’s no recourse?
I beg to differ!
But if that’s how its being interpreted, then perhaps they’ll hav no problem if we nominate Hillary at a separate venue, thenargue that she should be on the ballot!
LMAO!
It seems that any time a suit is brought against the party for “doing as it pleases,” the courts side with the party, citing that political parties can make their own rules (and choose to follow them or not as they please).
A legend in his own mind. This guy is just too much. I am surprised his head has not exploded.
That’s OK, they’ll just order a new one from the plastic Jesus factory.
LOL
Obama’s audacity to roll out his own presidential seal – was the epitome of HUBRIS and guaranteed we’d never vote for The Messiah.
Obama’s fund raising is so far down it is pathetic. I got a desparate mailer from the DNC this week. And I was so happy to send back the empty envelope, at their postage expense.
Bury the DNC with these empty campaign donation request envelopes and be sure to sign with a juicy message so they hear what we are saying.
sign in RED INK and put monopoly money inside and tape a couple pennies to the inside to raise postage costs.
Apparently, John Edwards was on TV this morning claiming Obama had ALWAYS voted against war funding!
What??!
Did anyone see this?
Just proves Edwards is such a kiss ass.
Yup, Edwards is a typical rich white politician with a big ego also. Me, Me, Me.
Edwards was also quoted saying he was open to the VP slot. Figures he is also now drinking plenty of the BO Koolaid. Plus no one else wants to run with this trainwreck.
Edwards would blow Obama AND Howard Dean in “Oprah” to be VP.
If you’re a Southerner like me, you’ve seen his kind at Boys’ State, the PTA, the JayCees and the bail bond office.
Fuck that dimwit peckerwood cocksucker. I don’t care if his fat-ass wife has the Big C, cholera or Rocky Mountain Spotted Crotch Rot.
Jeez, how do you really feel Fred?
Leave Elizabeth be. At least she had the guts to call out Obama on his bogus “accessible” healthcar plan.
Yeah, she said it sucks, but giver her a job as heading healthcare, and that’s a reason to vote for Obama. Kissass like her husband, but milking her illness for sympathy.
The President of Germany, Andrea Merkel, says Obama won’t be allowed to give a speech at Brandenburg Gate. The Obama campaign is blaming George Bush for blocking his plans.
They have no moral standards left, they will do absolutely ANYTHING to get this crook the nomination. They lie and give him false credit at every turn. They figure no one will dispute them and the media keeps pushing it all along.
Goebels’ play book. I think we have moved beyond Rove.
Didn’t see it, but with the video, the Republicans can easily whip up an ad. Curiously, the Republicans have not been challenging Obama’s flip flops with strong ads, or challenging statements by Obama surrogates like Edwards. What’s up with that?
Patience. They’re letting him screw up, flipflop and generally make a fine mess of things, before they start attacking. I’m sure there’s an Art of War maxim about letting your enemy defeat themselves.
Especially, when the CRAP CANNON is working so well for BO. There will hell to pay for the manner in which these idots have conducted themselves.
The Repubs are saving their ammunition until AFTER the DNC in August.
I hope he meant himself. He’s voted against funding the war. Obama didn’t. He’d be wrong on that.
God, I want to stop this guy so bad — Brazilnut is just intolerable — can you imagine if he is Prez — I’ll be on tranquilizers.
Brazile would be Obama’s press secretary.
Rev. Wright – White House Chaplain.
Eeeeek!
Rezcko? Ambassador to Bang-the-Desk!
I had a dream. Obama, Dean, Brazille, were on a plane together and it crashed. There were no surviviors.
In Florida the voters were ignored, and then diluted.
In Michigan the votes were “corrected”.
That is the party embarassment, and I will make them OWN it in November!
Obama represents an imposed and oppressive leadership that I catagorically reject.
In plain speak, he would be a DICTATOR!
“There’s nothing symbolically wrong to putting her name in,” followed by a scripted withdrawal, said Ms. Brazile.”
You forgot to highlight this part. These are really scary words to me in a country that is suppose to be a democracy. Scripted?
I am thinking the roll call with be as fake as the R & BC meeting was. It will probably go down something like this.
They will put Senator Clinton’s name up for vote, go through the pomp & circumstance, all the time faking it to look like a real vote is being taken.
Then later the Dean, Pelosi, Reid announce the results, claiming Obama won by roll call vote.
I am thinking Brazile is betting this strategy will then lead to winning over Team Hillary. But the whole thing will be a rouse.
Obama’s ship will be so leaky ship by then it will have to be dragged by tug boats into November for final sinking by the Republicans.
Senator Hillary Clinton for President in 2008!
Script this Donna – !@#!@#!@$$$!!!!!@##$$&*^%^#$!!!
Here’s to Donna and her peons:
YOU ARE UGLY AMERICAN! UNPATRIOTIC !!!
There’s a REAL HOT space waiting for corrupt people like you, Donna.
Because I love my country,I will vote for Hillary or McCain !
I agree.
That SCRIPTED WITHDRAWAL clause flipped me the heck out.
Time for another letter to the fascist wench.
She’ll just tell you to find your joy and stop the hate.
It is as wrong as Bush’s scripted path to war with Iraq. That is what is wrong with it, Brazile. Have you totally lost your senses, lady?
Why do they think Obama’s “new politics” is not just the same old pack of lies we have been living with for the past 8 years. These Obama people have lost all touch with reality.
Why deos she hate Hillary so much? Why is she ignoring the history making feat that Hillary won the most votes.
Donna Brazile is suffering flash-backs from her betrayals in the Jesse Jackson,Jr,(liar) and Al Gore(quitter) campaigns.
Donna probably advised Al to distance himself from Clinton…then Gore got squishy like Daschle, and went on to loose Tennessee AND Arkansas.
So I think Donna has to BLAME CLINTON rather than admit she made a ‘bone-headed mistake.’
At the rate she’s going, she’s about to make another.
She probably doesn’t except as far as Hillary is standing in the way of her obsession and that may not even be about Obama’s idintity as a Black man. She wants to be a mover and shaker. Those who are really pulling the strings may be laughing at her behind her back. She’s a tool just like Obama and she just happens to be a nasty one. This is way too big for her, Dean, Pelosi et al. That story on noquarter last week about George Soros has taken over my brain. I keep asking myself why someone who is not American is so interested in US politics. Same for Rupert Murdock. He’s Australian and controls a big share of the media in the US and he has raised money for Obama. Or his daughter has.
Embarrass the king? Well then off with your heads!
One would think he’d be quite good at dealing with embarassment – but then again every one of his gaffes is followed by some projection or excuse:
1) you’re not listening
2) it’s just a distraction
3) it’s politics as usual
4) “…and did i mention he’s black” – Obama
OBAMA’S COUP
Obama wants to fill a stadium full of supporters to intimidate delegates who may be thinking about voting for Hillary. He will bus in his radical supporters just to make sure he gets the nomination. He has already hinted at mass demonstrations and civil disobedience during the primaries.
Hillary, if you love the USA as much as you say you do, then stop this man from winning, even if it means tossing your hat back in the ring as an independent. Obama will stop at nothing to gain power and forward his radical agenda. He has already shown a willingness to throw anyone and anything under the bus when the heat is on. We can only HOPE that he won’t have the AUDACITY to throw America under the bus when her enemies come knocking on the door.
Don’t you think Hillary tried to stop him by staying in (which was her right), while they attacked her unmercifally every friggin day?
One person cannot stop this train of corruption, it must be “we, the people”.
By her supporters paying down her debt and being there in Denver in droves protesting on her behalf, is how she can help us in the long run.
We must show the country that our commitment to Hillary does not come from “sour grapes” or “emotion”, it comes from our wanting a president who is qualified and experienced. It comes from our believing in “fair play”, which the DNC totally disregarded when they anointed Obama back in 2004.
Change and hope will come from the members of PUMA, “who get knocked down and get right back up again, who work hard and never give up”, until we stop obama and launch Hillary into the White House!
Hillary, you are our last hope. Not only do we your fellow Americans need you, the world at large does, as well.
Please make this Stop – If you are under threat say so we will come to your side as will our Republican countrymen.
Please Hillary – it is not about an election anymore and you know it.
We heard you through your tears in NH – I think it is time we all listened to that dialogue again. There was much said. There was underlying fear.
replay that video where Hillary says “I just don’t want to see our country going backwards”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIG1mJAdMv8
Which, of course, will be followed by an official apology.
Obama has already scripted his acceptance speech to be at the stadium so the “local” supporters get a chance to witness this moment in history. Notice his emphasis on “local” supporters even before they open the stadium gates.
This is scripted to obscure the busloads of non-local supporters it will take to keep this from looking like an empty tomb.
Question:
Will all those in attendance at the Denver football stadium be REQIURED to bow and chant “Kombya” or will they just be required to bow their pin-heads and not gaze upon their Chosen One?
They’ll have to compliantly que up and drop offerings
of gold and silver at his feet.
And they can’t look at him because His Snottiness’s wrath at being dissed will turn them into pillars of salt.
Brazile’s “problem” is “how do we convince people who have been raped that they enjoyed the process?”
What do these people all have in common? Jerry Brown, Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, Jesse Jackson, Bill Bradley.. and there are many many more..
Answer: None of them were told they “had” to abandon their candidacies for “the sake of party unity.”
None of them were called selfish assholes because they kept campaigning long after the media told them it was “all over.”
And all of them had their names placed in nomination at the Democratic National Convention.
What’s happened to my party…just bizarre. And VERY Un-Democratic.
It’s not my party anymore.
John McCain, you have my vote. By default.
I wonder how long it will be until the MSM and the DNC start calling for John McCain to drop out of the race since he’s apparently already lost?
ROTFLMAO
Good question, and your name says it all.
I already read posts just like this on TPM and/or Huffington. They claim this knock-out date already happened and McCain should have already delivered his concession speech.
That is exactly how they brow-beat Clinton out of the race: they preached inevitability, inevitability, inevitability no matter what the facts on the ground said.
That bludgeoning can only go so far. The media bought it; but the voters did not and in increasing numbers as the nomination process wore on. But the superdelegates drank the Koolaid early and often and we have the mess we are in now.
but, but, but – the Convention had been set up for Obama since Jan. 2007 when the dates of the convention were announced – ending on Dr. King’s anniversary of “I have a dream” speech.
Nothing can be allowed to upset this rigged nomination.
NOTHING!
Please, all Hillary supporters come to Denver for Boston Tea Party. Let history repeat itself.
It’s time to riot in Denver.
But what about the roooooolz??? Remember when we were told ad nauseam that Michigan and Florida had to be disenfranchised because of DA RULZ!?!?! What, they only love the rooolze when it suits their candidate? Say it isn’t so!
Why are Democrats so good at shotting themselves in the foot. For once there is a real chance of getting things done, but some folks just can’t get beyond their hurt egos.World welcome to 4 more years of Bush’s lunatic policies and lots of PUMAAAAAAAA.
Could Clinton delegates walk? I mean, suppose we just refused to cooperate if the vote isn’t real? Are there rules about a percentage of delegates being present – y’know, like some groups need to have quorums?
We should play this as the Delegates walk out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OU7Nezg7Ls
The words are perfect!
Absolutely Perfect !!!
I love it.
It should be the official song for PUMA’S
PUMA
THESE BOOTS ARE MADE FOR WALKING
NOBAMA
Yep…perfect. Here are the lyrics!
These Boots Are Made for Walkin’
You keep saying you’ve got something for me.
something you call love, but confess.
You’ve been messin’ where you shouldn’t have been a messin’
and now someone else is gettin’ all your best.
These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
You keep lying, when you oughta be truthin’
and you keep losin’ when you oughta not bet.
You keep samin’ when you oughta be changin’.
Now what’s right is right, but you ain’t been right yet.
These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
You keep playin’ where you shouldn’t be playin
and you keep thinkin’ that you´ll never get burnt.Ha! I just found me a brand new box of matches yeah
and what he know you ain’t HAD time to learn.
These boots are made for walking, and that’s just what they’ll do
one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you.
Are you ready boots? Start walkin’!
bludawg, you are exactly right, if they put him on the ballot unopposed or put her on there symbolically, he would be a dictator.
Donna Brazille, after she said her spill about changing the rules is cheating like her mama taught her, what does she think she is doing now!!!!
My mama taught me to kick the crap outta anyone trying to Eff me over.
Thank you!! That line made my day.
PUMA
Brazile also said she’d quit the DNC if the SDs chose the nominee.
LOL
She hasn’t quit yet!
LIAR
Good morning No Quarter, thought you would like to start the day with more deep thoughts from Spike Lee:
Lee predicted Obama would be elected in November.
”When that happens, it will change everything. … You’ll have to measure time by ‘Before Obama’ and ‘After Obama,”’ Lee said during the panel. ”It’s an exciting time to be alive now.”
The presidency of the first African-American will ripple throughout arts, sports and more, said Lee, whose films include ”Malclom X” and ”Do the Right Thing.”
”Everything’s going to be affected by this seismic change in the universe,” he said.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1050459,spike071008.stng
You forgot She Gotta Have It. There is a scene where Nola Darling is in bed by herself, what she does reminds me of somebody in a figurative way.
This cosmic change is something I welcome and embrace. In centuries to come we will count the years:
B.B. Before Barack
A.O. Anno Obamani
Wow – sounds like a Jesus analogy or something. That plus MLK, JFK rolled in for good measure.
Whatever will they think of next?
If Donna’s mother is still alive today, she should smack her right across the face for being a liar and a cheat.
great visual – roflmao!
Donna Brazile continues to amaze me with her stupidity. Why in the world would she ever make this remark?
AnninCA,
Her ego knows no bounds. I am wondering why she hasn’t stepped down, as she said she would, and why she still has a job on a cable news channel. The backlash she’s caused has been enormous, yet she and many others are not held accountable.
If the voters don’t hold these undemocratic thieves accountable that will be the nation’s undoing, for Democracy will no longer exist.
If you want a good look at Cruella in action check the C-span video of the August 27th RBC meeting.
In her column for the Daily News Tribune posted June 30, 2008 BA (Before Obama) Brazile states,
“Unity, how sweet it is.”
http://tinyurl.com/5szf5b
She then goes on with shit like this:
Sen. Clinton can also help another Obama: Michelle, who has come under withering attacks from the far right wing. Vicious attacks of a presidential candidate’s wife is something Sen. Clinton knows all too well, and she carries the scars to prove it. Clinton alone is uniquely able to help Michelle Obama understand how to navigate all the racist and sexist undercurrents that flow from a very narrow slice of the electorate who can’t grasp the notion of a smart, intelligent and gracious woman who somehow does not fit their 1950s stereotype of what it means to be the first lady of the United States of America. Bill Clinton, who has also had to deal with the “slime machines” that operate just below the radar or through the blogosphere spreading filth, vile and vicious rumors, can also be of help in this regard.
sorry, meant BO (Before Obama_
why the hell should Hillary help that witch??
Michelle Obama is smart and intelligent (redundant, I know), but she is far from being gracious. Since she was MIA when Hillary was being raked over the coals, why should she receive support from anyone?
excuse me while I vomit….blech!
Hillary won’t be commenting on behalf of Michelle. Even now, her remarks are about Democrats.
Rarely about Obama.
I don’t think even Hillary could help this woman.
Nasty Michelle Obama who said she was not sure if she could support Clinton can fend for herself. She was cruel and arrogant towards Hillary and now they expect Hillary to get in there and help her? Go away Donna, go far, far away. The only way to beat this man down is for people to get out and vote and vote heavy for McCain. Any vote not used by staying home is a vote for Obama as that one vote could defeat him. Any vote casted for a third party is a wasted vote as it could be used to defeat Obama. Lets get Hillary back in 2012 if not 2008. If she is not the nominee go out and vote and take everyone you can think of with you and vote a straight republican ticket…shudders…but it is the only way to send a clear, concise message to the DNC that we are not taking their crap to let all those who stood against her know we mean business and to get Hillary back on the ticket. All those voters in California please join Congresswoman McKinney in her efforts to get Pelosi out of office. `
Ms. All-About-Me-Shell should just tart herself up again and trot her sorry ass over to The View if she wants some luvins. Her million dollar makevovers won’t hide the ugliness of her “broken soul.”
Because she is, quite possibly, the dumbest c**t on the Democratic payroll (3 time winner!), but you can’t point that out without being a…RACIST!!!!
You must be employed someplace OTHER than Education or State/Local/Federal government to have never seen the Brown Sugar Quota Dance.
Axe someone who IS thus employed. See what i’m sayin’?
Ooh, Spike Lee, and he has made such great contributions that his words have influence-NOT
Obama is surrounded by a bunch of vulgar, dishonest, angry and evil people.
I surmise that the DNC doesn’t want anything from keeping the first man who could be remotely considered black to being the first President. All they are doing is PISSING US ALL OFF EVEN MORE. You don’t get to change the rules to suit the outcome you want!!
Denver Group has an ad out in the Chicago Tribune today addressing this very issue. It’s on Heidi’s blog. It’s EXCELLENT.
does he do anything but go to knicks games these days?
Tells people how great he is.
Second Question:
Can Obama also ride his tricycle around the track to the screeming kool-aid crowd like they use to do in ancient Rome? That would be a lot of fun.
Then he could go to Berlin and jump off the Brandenburger Gate. More fun.
The Dem’s Convention is turning into a dog and pony show! Or should I say a dog and donkey show? MOSTAmericans will view all this buzz as a NERO staged event and vote for CLADIUS in the end.
Off topic here (but relevant to LJ’s “Coyote Ugly” post) and breaking: Obama fundraising for June only at $30M according to WSJ — down $20M from the $50M goal the campaign set. Our voices ARE finally being heard and it’s in the $$$s he ain’t getting. Congrats PUMA and kindred souls. This just might work.
PUMA Power!!!!!
Power of the purse.
Power of the vote.
Power to help the once and future candidate to rise, Hillary, rise!
Does that mean the money I sent for the tee shirt and the $5.44 that I sent to John Mccain in Donna Brazzll and the DNC’s name worked?
GREAT NEWS
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
I just bought a special t-shirt today w a $50 contribution and also contributed $10 to the Denver Group who has a full page ad in the Chicago Tribune today about the DNC trying to keep Hillary off the ballot at the convention. Go see it, it’s awesome.
http://heidilipotpourri.blogspot.com/
I sent them a penny
-~
Jeebus, I thought he was the DNC’s cash cow. When you combine his numbers with the DNC’s truly, TRULY pathetic fundraising…I have to wonder who’s going to pay for BO’s football stadium? They can’t even pay for the regular basketball arena.
I have been selling television ads to Democratics candidates this week in Ohio. They tell me that while they are going to be good comrades and vote for BO they know he’ll lose Ohio. And if you don’t win Ohio and Florida, you, BO, don’t win!
In early June they were predicting that he’d raise 100 million!
Bwaahahahahahaha!
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/obama-could-raise-100-million-in-june-fundraisers-say-2008-06-09.html
Pew poll: One percent of Americans think Obama is Jewish. http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/07/10/barack-obama-secret-jew.aspx
As Dave Barry would say, I am not making this up.
Donna Brazile needs to be called out on this. Someone with the knowledge needs to teach her a history lesson on CNN or wherever she is spreading this propaganda. Larry, send some talking points to Wolf or whoever. We need to start agitating the MSM….it looks like this parallel universe of Clinton supporters who are furious with what is going on doesn’t exist. Where is the leadership in this country—-we need a “maverick” on the Dem side to stand up for Hillary because she and Bill are in a politically untenable situation and can’t do it themselves. Are these politicians all so corrupt and morally bankrupt that they can’t see the difference between right and wrong anymore, and only see the world through a “what’s in it for me” lens? I am sickened by this takeover of a major party by a truly undefined element.
Where is the Michelle tape? Bring it on!
Where is the birth certificate? Someone demand to see it when the cameras are rolling?
Where is the follow-up on the little boy killed in a property managed by Obama crony (whose family has benefitted greatly from the Obama connection)and the link to Cullen Davis?
What is going on with the Patrick Fitzgerald investigation? He has to get it out there before BHO is in a position to relieve him of his duties?
There are more sordid stories out there that we are all aware of….why is there no one out there in the MSM who is willing to take it to this sacred cow, Obama? Brian Ross, Dan Rather, where are you?
I guess everyone has learned the lesson the Wilsons have learned. Comrades who speak out are marginalized by those in power. What happened to free speech and the role of the fourth estate?
This thing has me furious. Please write to your superdelegates.
I am furious as well. I don’t understand how the DNC can get away w taking Hillary’s name off the ballot and not letting her delegates vote for her. If that is the procedure they should not be allowed to change it!! They are so fucking stupid!!
It’s not. It would have to be her choice. Donna’s own comments confirm that.
They are going to pressure her to not “make a scene” at the convention.
This has turned into a dictatorship?
I’m furious, too. At least Donna admitted that Hillary has the right to be on the ballot by party rules. For awhile, it sounded as though they were suggesting otherwise.
I’d say that Hillary has NOT negotiated that away, obviously, so the gang is doing some backtracking here.
Obama failed to meet his part of the deal with the fundraising help. His side was pathetic. No way around that. Hillary will announce soon that HER supporters paid the tab. I’ll eat my hat if she doesn’t make that clear and give US credit.
She has, therefore, no reason to bend over backwards to make it easy. She could hold off deciding until the convention, if she so wishes to do so.
I hope she does “forget” to make that decision.
I think it would be untenable for HRC to take her name off the ballot. She made history, too. Actually, since Jesse Jackson, Sr. made a very credible run for the Dem nomination TWENTY fricking years ago, BO’s run is not as historic as hers.
If she were to cave to them on this, I for one, would be very angry at her. She represents something to all women in this country and I think she understands that as well. I think she’ll be on the ballot and if the Dems have any political sense left in their tiny brains they would see that her being on the ballot and a full roll call vote would HELP party unity in the long run.
I don’t think anything will save BO in the general, way too much baggage, way too little of anything else. But the Democratic party had better start looking beyond this one election and they better start soon.
I found this link for the super delegates. I think we should let them know that their support of Obama at the expense of Hillary will not be without a cost to them. If anyone has a better link, please reply to this message and we can start to inundate them. If we let them know that our like-minded voters will use the power of their votes on the downticket candidates, maybe they will develop a backbone….oh, I guess that is wishful thinking.
Here’s the link. I had a little trouble using the tool for email, so if you can find a better one, please post.
https://www.lobbydelegates.com/default.aspx
>>> who is willing to take it to this sacred cow, Obama?
Wrong!
Hope-a-Dope is The Sacred STEER!
I have heard BacktrackObama is fluent in Arabic. Can anyone confirm this?
It’d be hard for him, unless the have a TelePrompter that runs Right-To-Left.
(Watching The Crawl across the bottom of the screen is a HOOT in Kuwait and Dubai!)
Obama message to non PUMA’S
EXCERPT: My Fellow Americans:
As your future President I want to thank my supporters, for your
mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative
achievement, my pastor’s relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan
dictator Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I
present myself as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.
I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and
criminal behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8
years of claiming Bush’s youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your
hypocrisy is a beacon of hope shining over a sea of political posing.
read rest here: http://countusout.wordpress.com/
guess they figured if Republicans would elect someone as incompetent as Bush they could do the same!
A vote for Obama would be rewarding the corrupt actions of the DNC. Teach them a lesson, vote anyone but Obama!!! Send Pelosi, Brazile, Dean and company the only message they’ll understand. Take your party back by voting ANYONE BUT OBAMA!!!
It’s the Super Delegates you should target they can change this now by moving to Clinton and stop this scam from continuing. Pelosi, Dean and Brazile have no power that can stop them.
Certainly the chicken little that waited until the crowning…..Senator Brown Obama voted for a bill now law that you say
“…this legislation overreaches and infringes dangerously on the basic rights of American citizens while removing their right to seek legal recourse.”
and believes if I have the blues I can’t have an medical procedure of my choosing, and he still has your delegate endorsement
We are watching..10 is not that far off
I shudder to make this comparison, but when BO appears in that huge forum, a lot of people will be reminded of Hitler and Mussolini! What are Brazile and Co. trying to do–intimidate voters? Many Americans are going to be put off by wildly screaming cultists in a stadium! The Dems constantly have to fight the perception that we are wild-eyed radicals, and look at this! Does Karl Rove have a mole on the DNC planning committee?
Karl Rove does not need a mole in the DNC planning committee.
They are dumb enough to do this on their own.
Considering the fact that they selected a canidate whose only mentors are anti-american and think the people of this country are so blind that they will accept him shows everything about them.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
Does Karl Rove have a mole on the DNC planning committee?
Donna. i always suspected that.
as others also noted, they’re STUPID. They are so engrossed in their own fantasy world they have no clue that this will FAIL MISERABLY. If we can’t even win elections with a decent candidate does the DNC really believe they will win with Obama?? Cripes, Rev. Wright should have finished Obama off IMMEDIATELY. This is the United States for cryin’ out loud. This is why some people get ahead and some don’t-ACCOUNTABILITY.
Yes, Donna Brazile.
I agree with your analysis regarding the ‘cultist’ aspects of how this stadium thing would appear. I’m actually beginning to believe that the Dems are hallucinating or something. This kind of over-the-top, ego-driven extravaganza turns people off, unless your already in the cult.
If I was his campaign manager I would be working overtime on making him appear a bit more humble. At least Bush hid his messianic-complex whenever he was running for election. BO shoves it in your face.
Do our enemies foreign and domestic understand that Obama is the affirmative action president?
never mind. ignore that.
why? sounds accurate
Obama, Dean, and Brazile are the “enemies domestic”
I just blogged my butt below.
But that is my one question among many – what do the people of the world thing as outsiders looking in?
Can they see the change we are all in for if this fraud is elected?
This comes back to unconscious sexism. Women are never supposed to “embarrass” a man. In other words, women are to pretend to be “less than” so the man can pretend to be “more than” what he is. This is the tactical meaning of what Brazille is saying. The actual meaning here is that it also proves Brazille wrong and damages her ego as well as Obama’s if the convention overturns her well thought out plan for the past several years. Thus Brazille, is also employing sexism as a manipulation to get her way. There is no greater cultural sin in this country than for a woman to embarrass a man in public.
I agree w that statement wholeheartedly and would like to add I am quite sure she has an ulterior motive of a black person being nominated because she has such anger issues with ethnicity herself.
I agree.
Absolutely accurate analysis, Linda C.
Even with BO getting the nomination, they don’t want HRC to be a presence at the convention. She outshines him intellectually and personally and they know it. Hence, they want to push her offstage as quickly as they can. Add in Bill Clinton with his towering Elvis-like charisma and that is more than the ‘little one’ could bear.
It would be a big mistake not to allow her name on that ballot. Anyone who really wants party unity wouldn’t support the removal of Hillary’s name.
That’s why I am in favor of the DNC treating Hillary suppoters like dirt. I don’t want party unity.
If your want Hillary in 2012, Obama can not win in ‘08.
Crazy troll.
Why bother convene? Are there any civil rights lawyers out there who care about our Democracy?
How can they get away with this? Why are we being dictated to? What is the reason for a convention anyway? There are 3 candidates out there and this imposter does not have 100% of the vote.
Is this an example of how our country is going to be run? Can the world at large see what is in store for them? What does it look like from the outside looking in?
Obama is going to be the first Dicktator of the United States of America and nobody gives two shits?
What is in it for Donna?
Are the Republicans going to let this happen? What can we do as Americans to put our parties aside and go full blast after this maniac and his own personal militia?
What do we need to do now, right this minute to get people involved in this before it too late? What is it going to matter what your political affiliation is if David Axelrod and cohorts usurp our Country and all it’s traditions.
Did the WWI and WWII vets put there lives and limbs at stake for this Change in the 21st Century?
I am so sick. How can this happen? Why no uproar when that 1/2 blooded American fraud came out with a FAKE Presidential Seal? Are people blind?
CAN WE NOT SEE WE ARE BEING CONDITIONED?
If the Chicago Combine gets into office in November it will be too late people. We are in the midst of losing our Counrty as we’ve always known it.
I think Paying Off The Debt is a good thing and it feels great to be a part of this movement, however, I think t is time to wake up our Fellow American and get this nipped in the bud while we can.
The media is predominantly responsible for this and the writing is already on the wall where they will be and what they will be forced to shove down our throats come November 5th.
The Iron Curtain of United States of America — people’s homes being raided in the middle of the night for going against their government. No rights to assemble. I have a feeling this Golden One has been raised from the day he was born to pull this coup – it’s is as plain as day.
What was his mother doing for the good of our Country all the years she was on the face of this earth? What did this American woman contribute her Homeland?
Lunatic? Paranoid? yeah right. There is a laundry lists of hints of what is to come. We may be in the last throes of even being able to speak our minds on little sites like this if that Plant gets into office.
What can we do now? If Senator Clinton is not given her rightful place at the “convention” to nominate the next President of the United States of America, then what more do we need to know?
It’s not just about Democrats anymore. We will know in our hearts that we have come face to face with an enemy. And, we fall in line, or else.
OMG! You have articulated what I have been telling my self is an overreaction on my part! Our country and our citisens may be in great danger if we don’t stop this attempt to override our democracy.
I also totally agree with everything you wrote.
I believe this is the beginning of the end of our country, our lives ,as we know it.
Everyone that I talk to about this. just look at my like I crazy. That’s the scariest part of all.
Our life is about to change dramatically, for the worse, and the majority of our country, doesn’t even have a clue as to what is really happening.
PUMA
NOABAMA
Bush/Cheney was our first dictatorship. We won’t let Obama be our second.
What have Hillary’s lawyers done to circumvent this appalling lack of Democracy? Anything?
Haven’t seen anyone talk about this yet.
What do you think is going to happen after 75k uncouth Obama supporters boo and hiss at Hillary and Bill?
You just know it’s going to happen.
How is Obama going to explain “unity” after that???
If he goes forth with that plan, Hillary will not speak even.
It would be best, frankly. It exemplifies the sham that the DNC has become and underscore the truth that this WAS the old-style behind-closed-doors selection.
There is no way that Hillary can be the candidate, guys.
It’s better to give the idiots rope. They have absolutely convinced me that they are, indeed, just plain politically stupid.
Let them hang themselves.
I agree with you, and I still haven’t seen that “big” endorsement from Bill Clinton. There’s as much change of a pig having puppies as there is of Bill Clinton making a personal, public endorsement of Obama.
Yes, the rag that said he was talking to Obama apparently had it wrong. Bill is becoming conspicuously silent.
The Big Dawg has spoken more loudly with silence than with words!
The Black Agenda Report cracked me up with an article that said that Bill absolutely told Americans the truth when he pointed out what a fairytale it was about Obama’s position on the war.
No kidding.
I should have pointed out why that made me laugh. Here we have the most liberal and most aggressive AA blog on the net quoting Clinton as the true beacon of truth. *haha
Irony……this is one crazy year, eh?
Talk about irony. Obamaboozled ran on a platform of being “the one” to bring the country together. He has only succeeded at dividing a solidly unified Democratic party coming into this race, leaving it in shambles.
Well, Bubba’s got a pretty thick skin, and Hillary’s tougher than the back wall of a shooting gallery.
It’ll piss me off more than them. They’ve been called everything but human bings by sorry-assed, pencil-dicked Republicans who behaved EXACTLY as the Hope-a-Dopeniks.
Oh God, I LOVE the Clintons! sigh…
Basil,
The problem is that the DNC is a private organization. One would have to show that its governing of the democratic primaries provides a vital public function and is therefore subject to judicial oversite. Just as campaign finance is regulated, there is probably law to be made here. I would presume that General Elections are subject to more regulations than party rules regarding the nominating process. This is exactly why the DNC thinks that they can get away with disenfranchising Florida and Michigan in the primary.
Furthermore, the disproportionate weight given to caucus delegates, which subverts the will of the majority and the notion of each persons vote counting equally, was allowed for the very reason.
Moreover, I would think that there may be some voting rights issues that violate the voting rights act.
I THINK THAT THERE IS DENINATELY A CASE TO BE MADE
Thanks Kendell.
But it seems that with the excruciatingly slow turning of the wheels of justice by the time a case is presented and ruled on it will be too late.
BTW, anyone else notice the Jesse Jackson story is ALREADY out of the news? It’s not even in the local NYC papers.
More proof it was a planned distraction from the important issue, FISA.
With the Pelosi’s and Reid’s in power, you don’t have a chance in hell of getting this heard. They would probably move to have it put out of the purview of the courts.
Embarass…..is that the best argument for keeping Hillary off the ballot? If the “Great one” was soooooo great, he would have beaten Hillary fair and square. Give me a break!
WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER
McCain ‘08 (no matter who the dem VP is)
or Hillary (if the dems wise up and realize she should be the nominee)
pumapac/18 million women/riverdaughter and others
putting together 500 buses to go to DENVER check with Pumapac to see if a bus leaving in you’re state http://blog.pumapac.org/
The only way to return democracy is to participate in it, don’t sit on the side lines and expect others to fight the fight that MUST be fought. Your country, your freedom is calling on YOU.
I admit that Obama’s plan to load up a stadium scares me.
I have no desire to be in the middle of a melee with his gang.
What exactly is it that you want, AnninCa? I’ve read your comments for months here and, I think, on Taylor Marsh(?) and I am curious. There is just something, yun nu se qua. This is a difficult situation and it is not an easy decision for the Democratic base to make, and Hillary’s support is the base.
I’ve done my share of flip flopping for months. I’ll stay home. I’ll write in Hillary’s name. I’ll vote for McCain. I’m not happy with any of those choices so over the months of watching and gaining some understanding of what is happening, I want to fight for Hillary, the Party and most importantly the country. This isn’t a time for timidity. When you stated emphatically Hillary cannot win, you lost me. That is a repetition of what the media has said since Iowa yet millions voted for her in the face of this negativity. They weren’t convinced and she grew stronger with each primary. The more Obama spent on his campaigns, the higher her margin of victory all the way to South Dakota. In that state, there had never been any doubt Obama would win. After all, it was his demographic and Tom Daschle, who represented them for years, is a chief advisor. The msn never talked about that, never questioned how that could be. They didn’t dwell on his lack of ability to win the pledged delegates required to obviously and clearly defeat her. But, they did start early pounding home their view she shouldn’t be allowed to win with SDs and the DNC was the backup choir singing their mantra this election was about delegates earned, not popular vote. It has been pointed out many times his delegate count was made possible by caucus states and red states, New Map and New Coalition. The mandate of SDs, to vote their conscience and pick the best cantidate to put the Party back in the White House, has been subverted by threats of political payback and “donations”.
I am not a flag waving patriot and, for me. it has never been “MY country, right or wrong” because when we don’t turn away from ideas and people anathema to our principles, we are acquiescent.
You don’t have to answer my question, I don’t really expect you to, but I will keep asking.
This is so pathetic on so many levels. The presumptive nominee is like a glass doll that so many have to carry and protect. Even after the primary season is over, they are still bullying Hillary to GET OUT. WTF is wrong with these people? If BO is all about hope, unity and is so friggin’ fantastic, why the fear? Could it because they actually cheated to get him to this point and now, they are afraid they’ll be exposed? Uh, Donna, the jig’s up…we already know.
I for one would be willing to contribute to a legal fund to bring a lawsuit against them. I have witnessed sexual discrimination many times being a mostly all male field, I believe the DNC/Dean/Kennedy/Brazile chose a less experienced man over a more qualified experienced woman by strtching the rules and ignoring the wishes of the millions of voters in Florida and Michigan, to push a woman out over a man. This is sexism…and it also seems like descrimination..it certainly would be worth investigating.Seantor CLinton deserved to be the nominee and the good old boys in Washington, like Dean, Kennedy and Kerry just to name a few..didn’t want a woman as their leader..God knows why not, their male leaders haven’t done so well for 200+ years..and think about it, we know Kennedy has had a problem with women, remember the girl he left to die in Chapaquidick(?) I think we should all contribute to a legal fund to tackle the issue of possible Sexual Discrimination in the DNC…Shame on Donna Brazile..
>>> …the jig’s up…
Oh, Vinnie…you HONKIE!!!
Aren’t you ashamed of your Racism? (snark-o-rama)
My hunch is they gamed the true number of pledged delegates (swapping Clinton ones to Obama during caucuses), and it they all stand up the way things went, everyone will see his number is off.
They tried to do exactly that in many states.
Many caucuses ‘taken-over’ by Obamacans signed up people ahead of the legal time, and switched out delegate lists.
They were only amenable to changing it when some of them got caught.
And you may have heard about Obama trying to ‘purge’ delegat lists in California and Florida.
I am a legal services attorney with a day job. This litigation would be a full-time job and would reguire funding. It would take a civil rights group that could pay lawyers and the expenses of the litigation. Can anyone think of any such groups that aren’t in the tank for Obama? Does N.O.W. have a litigation arm? A legal defense fund might be in order. What voter rights organizations are there that might be interested in this case?
Maybe PUMA’s could set up a legal defense fund?
N.O.W is worthless. Their protests against sexism were pathetic. Maybe they were afraid of being labeled racist, but it just seems the courage is no longer there. After Montana and South Dakota, they put an absurd vote on their website inviting members to cast their vote for the most offensive media attackers on Hillary. That is the only women’s organization I haven’t resigned from and that will happen soon. I guess it’s just nostalgia for what they used to be that has kept me in this long.
The ACLU might participate in a class action suit on the grounds of sexual discrimination or harrasment by the media. Do you think? It would be too little and too late to change the outcome of the convention, but it could change media coverage in the future.
How sad is it that we find ourselves negotiating with thieves to play a part in their convention?
I watch the talking heads and the DNC surrogates and the Obama-philes on the talking-head shows and they are so clearly out of touch with America.
They all ignore the blaring clues that he’s losing momentum —
-McC V BO polls
-Falling contributions
- 35,000 peole on his on site protesting his Fisa vote
And when Jesse Jackson Sr, “accidentally” talking about how BO talks down to AAs, that’s a clear sign a lot of AAs are feeling the same.
These are all low drumbeats that the presumptive nominee has problems.
I sense something dramatic is going to happen before August.
And the DNC will be happy to have HRC to step in.
It’s going to be real interesting to watch the mood of the African-American community to this candidate. Will 90% of AA’s vote for him? Sure…but they do that for the Dem nominee in every Presidential election.
BO was supposed to bring many more AA voters to the polls. Well it turns out, at least in the South, they vote in propotion to their % of the population anyways – BO or no BO.
I know that RICH, black people like Spike Lee and Oprah, love him…but what about middle- and working-class blacks? I don’t know that they LOVE him quite that much. They weren’t going to vote for anybody but the Dem anyways and, I am really beginning to question if there will be a big surge to the polls of blacks who would not otherwise vote. At least not for a candidate who, to my (admittedly caucasian) eyes, doesn’t seem to offer anything to the AA community and often times treats them with disrespect (eg, the ‘Popeye’s fried chicken’ speech).
I am so over Donna Brazille.
Took you long enough! She was a fuck-up in 2000.
Just had a devilish image in my head. PUMA”S across the world sitting on copiers and making copies of their asses and sending to DB, and the DNC. Party Unity My Ass!!!
Ok, it’s early, guess I”m just having a bitter morning. PUMA
PUMA action today is to call Pelosi’s office and respectfully request a rollcall vote, stating that we will be very disappointed if Hillary is not treated with the utmost respect in this historical election year.
ha ha ha …..asseson a copy machine, too funny !send them to the dnc….. lmao
Fine, fine article.
Inconceivable indeed, but this is where we find ourselves. It’s beyond sad that we even have to articulate such an argument.
They desperately need to throw a big-ass party for her on Tuesday night, then nominate The Precious on Wednesday night sans coronation.
They won’t take the chance, period.
Hillary’s supporters must now leverage all for the simple R.E.S.P.E.C.T. inherent
with 18 million votes.
Nice way to officially start the GE huh??
Has everyone seen this, Not sure where to post it.
http://bp3.blogger.com/_lJK9qaX7XKE/SHc4rEcaW_I/AAAAAAAABJI/NyjDkyQ-5D0/s1600-h/denvertribagain.jpg
Question:
If an election were to be held in, say Russia, and the state sponsored candidate received 100% of the votes cast would there be rumors of a fixed election or would they just call it Party Unity? If the election in, say Iran where cancelled because those in charge did not want their “chosen one” embarrassed by votes being cast for someone other than …would Dr. Dean applaud Iranian Unity? If Cuba decide to hold an election but first handed out the script so everyone would know how to vote would Donna Brazile praise Cuba’s move toward democracy?
Did you see the first Denver ad hit the Chicago papers today? there is a copy of it at http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/2008/07/denver-group-brings-its-first-print.html
Great Job Heidi and Mark!!!
I cannot believe Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The man cannot even WIN with grace. Witness what his official campaign did here in Florida AFTER the Democratic Rules & Bylaws Committee meeting settled the delegate situation in the fairest way they could at that point (and I am someone who was SCREAMING for all our delegates to be reinstated from Day One, from the moment Dean went against the rules by taking away ALL the delegates instead of half, but I was ready to accept the RBC ruling as the fairest solution at that point): http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2008/06/obama-wont-like.html After I read that article, that was the last straw for me: I CANNOT vote for Obama. I was all ready to try to move beyond the delegate nightmare and unite behind our presumptive nominee, despite my opinion of him, but then his campaign goes and acts in such a despicable manner, basically dissing Florida Democrats AGAIN and a fair election process yet AGAIN? And did they fire Kirk Wagar over that? Heck no, they said his job is “absolutely safe” and that “no one cares about a few beds in Denver”. Color me DONE. And now he is trying to fix the convention so that we just chant “Deutschland, Deutschland Uberalas!”, basically, and don’t have a PROPER roll call?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO. Just say NO, everyone. We must stop Obama and Dean from totally subverting the democratic process! Enough is enough!
The corruption of the Democratic Party grows exponentially. In a year when there was never a better opportunity for a change candidate to win and undo the damage of the Worst President Ever, the Obamatons, followiing the lead of Pelosi and Reid, have given us change that’s no change. If we can’t take advantage of Obama’s ongoing collapse to get the nomination for Hillary, I hope all PUMAs consider the possibility of organizing a third party. There has never been a greater need for a progressive party willing to address the real needs of the American people and, thanks to Obama’s Republican in the people’s clothing act, there has never been a better opportunity to create one. It’s Hillary or a third party for me.
Update on website stats:
DailyKos.com and TaylorMarsh.com tank in website hits.
JohnMcCain.com matches DailyKos.com stats for the first time.
CLICK HERE
Very interesting, Matthew….so TM tanked, too.
Wonder how Talk Left is faring.
Thank you for posting this, Matthew. It’s wonderful news.
barack hussein obama and company are playing a dangerous game with Democracy. Sen Hillary Clinton will not be given the opportunity to be on the ballot, first one or otherwise. the obama minions know more deeply than the rest of us that Hillary won the primary. thus, we are all aware of the “Selected One’s” possible “embarassment”.
this hoax is beyond belief.
the people of the U.S., and indeed the world at large, are closely watching and taking notes. many are not saying too much.
obama and his band of thieves underestimate the deep feelings of the majority of Americans when it comes to their Democracy being highjacked and held hostage.
for the GE some will stay home and sit on their hands in protest.( a rather ineffective strategy for blocking the obamacoup)
some will write in Hillary. (very nice and supportive for her, but again, an ineffective strategy)
some will vote for Sen McCain. (the only real option other than Hillary)
a Hillary/Mac ticket would be unbeatable. to hell with “party” lines and empty unity propaganda. we’re entering a new paradigm here.
can we all say ” Democracy First”????
let freedom ring.
AMEN!!
P.S. If anyone wants a much more detailed account than that provided in the link in the article, of what Obama did to force Alice Palmer off the ballot, go here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story?page=1
One theory about why HRC needs to retire her debt ASAP.
Dateline – It’s a speculation that it’s part of the negotiation between DNC & Hillary to put her name on the roll call in Denver. DNC believe that HRC continue to raise money is a drain on DNC & BO ability to raise money. So they want her to stop. But she has to do it to pay off her debt. So DNC gave a dateline if she can’t pay off her debt at a certain date, she won’t be on the roll call. Bear in mind that we can’t get the confirmation of the dateline. The email from Hillary Head of Fundraising department won’t confirm the date. He only said “we want to get it done as soon as possible”. There was a great urgency in his email.
Where did you get this story? I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Obama agreed to help her retire the debt, which he has not been able to deliver upon. Not only is his fundraising down, but his people only ponied up 100 grand. That’s embarassingly low and shows more that his side wants nothing to do with unity, either.
She has the right to a rollcall. He has to negotiate with her on this. It’s in the party rules. She could dig in her heels and insist, and they could bitch but that’s it.
She’s in the driver’s seat, in other words.
I can see that she wants this debt retired so there’s no more connection at all to the issue of the Democratic Party and it’s nearing red-faced story that the rumors of his moneymaking machine have been greatly exaggerated.
But beyond that?
I’ve gotten no letter other than the t-shirt sale.
Hillary can’t negotiate this because this roll call right belongs to the voters who went to the ballot box and won their state’s right to put her name in nomination. It is not hers to keep or give away. It is our right.
Doesn’t it work that she could notify her delegates that she releases them and remove her name from the rollcall vote?
Then you’d be free to vote for Obama?
I thought that’s the way it worked.
I’ve been confused for weeks now with all this talk. I didn’t THINK the DNC had the right to force her off the rollcall.
Apparently, I was right about that.
They are pulling their usual stunt, pretending they are in control and misstating the rules publicly until we called them on it.
They can’t force her to do anything.
The whole negotiate for a place at the convention is thuggery.
But it’s going on, nonetheless.
HRC is in the driver’s seat, and if her debt goes away the thugs will have no more leverage.
So they’re trying to negotiate in the media.
Heidi Li’s site has more details about the state of the negotiations.
I am so sick of those fu@kers! (pardon my language) Obama’s money has vanished and it’s Hillary’s fault? She is sucking money away from their messiah? Fu@k them. I am sick and tired of them blaming everything that’s wrong with Nobama on Hillary. Mob of friggin’ bullies. I sure hope Hillary is playing hardball and cracking nuts behind the scenes. I hope her and Big Dawg’s list is really, really long. Pay back’s a bitch!
Oooohhh! That felt GOOD!
Donna Brazile must hate Hillary because she thinks the Clinton’s kept Al Gore out of the white house. Otherwise she is just a downright hateful bitter woman who cares more about seeing her candidate in the White House than Democracy. Obama we know only cares about himself. We all just must plot and work harder to see Obama does not win the election in November.
Brazile is black and has lost all sense of perspective. This is a chilling scenario for any racially partisan movement.
Al Gore and his campaign made the decision not to ask Bill Clinton to campaign with him. That was a big mistake because Pres. Clinton had an approval rating in the sixty percentile when he left office and he definitely could have made a difference in Arkansas. That may have been Brazil’s decision, who knows? I believe Pres. Clinton offered and was turned down. He was out campaigning for Kerry just weeks after his heart surgery. When did loyalty stop being a virtue?
I just got an e-mail from southwest Puma group
July 15 in San Franciso between 11:00am and 1:00pm at the palace hotel a “victory fundraiser for obama with donna brazille”
Planned demonstration.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
Donna Brazille has lost her mind. She is so disgusting and unprofessional she doesn’t even try to hide her bias. Nothing less than her dismissal from her job is acceptable.
Hillary 08
mccain08
McCain/Clinton: 2008!
1. I love the video “This boots are made for walking”. We should get it to the MSM, The official video of the PUMA’S.
2. I change channels whenever Donna is on.
3. I thought in the Muslim world, embarrassing the male is very bad.
4. Somebody should unplug the teleprompters when BO makes a speech. LOL
Hey…with “Boots are Made for Walkin” the official song, the ‘ass-wiggle’ (see video) can be our official PUMA greeting!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OU7Nezg7Ls
Did Obama flip flop on fisa to protect his collegues?
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/7/11/01545/3460/430/549785
Red Cross torture report:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/book_reveals_existence_of_secr.php
[...] an item on Google Reader Negotiating Democracy: Brazile, Obama Plot to Keep Hillary off Convention Ballot 8:20 am – [...]
I just called the DNC and a spokes person for the office of the chairman said Hillary will be on the ballet with no preconditions. Call DNC (202-863-8000) to confirm, I am having a hard time believing it.
The roar of disapproval to Nazi Brazile’s convention putsch is gaining momemtum and we now have the DNC on the run. Plus they have now heard the deafening silence of their last party unity fund raising request.
I sent my DNC envelope back with a half pound of wheel weights (which I usually melt down to make target ammunition) and a 3×5 card that said, “NOT LIKELY!”
I think that’s what’s working. PUMA is good. Very specific daily instructions and a How-To guide comes with each letter.
If you haven’t signed up, do. It’s all easy stuff to do, too.
Nothing less than a full convention participation by leading candidate for that nomination: Hillary Clinton. Clinton won my state and I want my vote counted as it was cast.
I did not vote to see the DNC steal it away from me. They stole Michegan and Florida and now you are telling me they also want to steal California.
Exactly….
OHIO, PA, CA, NY, NH, WVA, AND SO ON!
I couldn’t be more disgusted with the Democratic Party if they were the Republican Party.
Oh. Right.
I really hate the Republican Party too but McCain has often proved himself to be an independent in their midst. This is why so many Repubs so dislike him.
I have no problem voting for him even though I could not bring myself to vote for most others in his party.
The only thing scripted coming from a woman should be Donna Brazille’s farewell speech after her azz is kicked out of the DNC.
That woman – Brazille- is a menace to society!
Note to previous post: I read at hcsfjm.com that PUMA jammed the DNC phone switchboard with calls yesterday until the DNC said there would be no preconditions to Hillary’s convention announcement. It’s among the recent comments. I don’t know if it is true, but it sure sounds good!!!
The mere thought that the roll call vote was being negotiated infuriated me so I just called the DNC about this issue.
The woman told me that Hillary’s name would be on the ballot. There would be an official roll call vote and that nothing would be staged or symbolic.
She did throw in a minor dig that I should call the DNC first before listening to rumors. I was encouraged. (But I’ve been know to be too trusting)Here’s the number if anyone else wants to call and verify: 202-863-8000
BTW: Obama’s gums look sick because he is a smoker. They are glossy and puffy. Gums don’t lie no matter how many times Obama lies he is not smoking. This man has no moral authority to fix our health care crisis.
We need to get real people, I know some of us don’t want to vote for McCain in the general, but that’s the ONLY way we can stop Obama.
Staying home, writing in a candidate, or voting for Nader WILL NOT stop Obama.
Thank you for this incredibly powerful endorsement of The Denver Group. We know we can’t achieve anything all by ourselves. Good thing that there AT LEAST 18 million voters who likely share our views.
The most disconcerting issue that developed from the Hillary vs. Obama Democratic, primary campaign was……..the betrayal!!!!!!!! I respect and honor loyalty. Donna Brazile was mentored by the Clintons: am I wrong????? She was an unknown zero pre the Clintons. NOW, she is vying to keep Hilllry off the Convention Ballot????? This is the epitome of duplicity and, quite frankly, political treachery!! James Carville was correct when he called Richardson “a Judas”……..this is the same scenerio. Unbelievable!!!
If you live in a state that’s unlikely to swing (solid 100% blue or red), only then can you afford the luxury of a third-party vote. Even then, do not vote for that jerk Nader, try McKinney.
Great post RIVERDAUGHTER. THANKS! How insightful to insert with your commentary the fact that Obama is a political recidivist!
He brutalized his mentor, AFricanAmerican Sen. Alice Palmer in Chicago in ‘96 by STEALING her election behind her back so he could run unopposed! He’s too weak for arguments. Look at his pathetic Pa. ABC Debate! Without Telempropter he’s Mickey Mouse without Disney Land! A pathetically, stutteringly inept, typical politician (thank you Rev. Wright, you ain’t Wrong on this!) who’s modus operandi for those whom he finds no longer of usage is to…throw them udner the Bus of his Political Oversized Ambition!
A rapper-wannabe-President whose most famous role in Yutube’s megahit: OBAMA GIVES HILLARY THE FINGER!
Well, there are about 18 million midfingers awaiting to get their Obama-friendly exercises in November…and the cracks on the DNC ceiling will fall on their heads. At least they’ll see the LIGHT!
OBAMYOPIA WILL BE CURED NOVEMBER ‘08
GO PUMAS, LET ‘EM HEAR YOU ROARrrrrrrrrrrr
Yes, DancinOpussum:
VOTE McKINNEY….best bet to avoid Obamabotic win…Cynthia’s a great candidate, an Arican-American who believes in cleaner planet and social justice!
GO CYNTHIA McKINNEY!
PUMAS HAVE A CHOICE!
tHE Clinton presidentcy mentored Donna Brazile and gave half the morons on the Obamabot tabel food to eat in the 90s.
Hillary braved a fiery storm to fly to SanFrancisco from N.Y. to raise money for that ungrateful dunderhead Barack Obambi! Sure got appreciation.
also, Hillary started a Fund for Mental Health specifically after being asked by Mrs. David Axelrod.She received great appreciation from the Rasputin of Obama’s campaign….
And remember Jesse Jackson Jr. who was co-chair of Obama campaign in iowa /N.H. He said that the O.J. would be the natural thing for Obama to do….’knock down a White Woman’….did anyone see the video.
Jesse threatened directly Hillary by suggesting that Obama was faced with the same dilemma as O.J. To murder or not to murder! Great Hamlet for the misogynist Obamabot nerds..
i sent the dnc envelope back with a wad of toilet paper…..i should have used it first.
Thank God Just Say No Deal/PUMA/I Own My Vote and HOUND offer the option of NOT VOTING in November following a write-in of Hillary or a second ballot for her at the Convention in August. There are millions of us (not just ’sour grapes’ former Hillary supporters, and not just blue-collar voters or not just older women – but all ages, all incomes and all political persuasion SANE people) who have had enough of equivocation, radicalism and naivete’ and want some change in the current roster of candidates.
I, like many others, have been a Democrat, civil rights activist and political junkie for over 30 years, and have seen the light — and it isn’t emanating from Obama. We must band together to stop this campaign in whatever way possible before it further degrades the principles we hold dear. Please check out the other options, folks, as we are growing stronger.
You are so right. We must not be stupid here and think this is about Obama. I’m convinced the guy meant it when he said, “I’m not ready to run for president.” I think he was talked into it, assured he’d have the backing of Washington insiders, and away we go!
This movement needs to focus on the party processes and demand, demand, demand change. The ONLY way we’re going to accomplish that is by voting smart and backing candidates whom we persuade to run on OUR values.
First order of the day after this fiasco is over: Revision of the distribution of delegates. We saw all too clearly how this ruined it for the party. Traditional, truly registered Democrats, voted in state after state for Hillary. Obama got very little support from them. Yet, he got an inordinate number of delegates out of the system.
Second order of the day are DNC rules about caucuses, two-stepping, and a consistent guidelines that allow for oversight. I wouldn’t suggest we go back to IDs. That smacks of voter repression, and we’ve been there, done that. I would suggest we go to caucus rules that are uniform, including how to count the popular vote and turn in numbers.
Third order of the day is to eliminate SDs entirely. Obviously, that was a plan that worked in the past and failed now. Pelosi and Dean sold the country on the notion that the one with the most delegates wins. OK, but then there’s no need for SDs at all. That’s a rubber-stamp deal. So eliminate them. End of story. She sold that concept down the river, so let them suffer the consequences of it.
Fourth order of the day is re-establish the importance of campaign finance reform. Obama has trashed it. This business of grass-roots is great, but the money being spent is obscene and wasteful. Hillary raised shitloads of money and it wasn’t enough? That’s nuts. No candidate needs to run ads like Obama did or even put that many paid staffers in states. It’s going to completely ruin elections and we’ll pay the price even more than in the past.
Fifth order of the day is a DNC methodology for vetting candidates. I’d like to see a standard set for disclosure. Let’s get this crap out of the campaign rhetoric altogether. Pinch it in the bud. Require tax returns, birth certificates, school records, work resumes, etc. up front.
I can think of other improvements, but there is a lot we could change that would stop the chaos.
Enough already of the manipulations.
I read Donna Brazile’s wikipedia page and you know what, she has advised and worked for candidates that all have lost presidential elections. That says it all. Has she ever won for anyone?
A prearranged withdrawal in the face of a threat of “heightened tensions” sounds like blackmail to me. Oops, wait a minute, use of the term blackmail is racist. Kind of like black ink, black shoes, black tires–all anti-Obama racist code language.
On second thought, how about we just vote on it without any threats of “heightened tensions?”
Sounds like Obama is going to try to impose the Principles of Democracy learned from the Kenyan half of his family.
I am waiting to see HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON’S
NAME ON THAT BALLOT IN DENVER WITH A PROPER
ROLL CALL VOTE. IT WAS OBVIOUS BEFORE AND STILL
OBVIOUS NOW THAT SEN. CLINTON IS THE MOST ELECTABLE
AND MOST EXPERIENCED CANDIDATE FOR THE NOMINATION.
HER OPPONENT HAS NOT SEALED THE DEAL, HAS ANGERED
FOREIGN COUNTRIES BY HIS ON-SITE GAFFES, AND
LACKS THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE TO BE POTUS.
SAVE THE COUNTRY, SAVE THE PARTY, NOMINATE
SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. SHE WILL BRING THE
DEMS BACK TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND RESTORE
“RESPECTIBILITY” TO THE DIS-UNIFIED PARTY OF THE
PEOPLE (FORMER).
How did Donnaobamalamadingding get sooo much power? If what HillBuzz said is true – she has been plotting “Obamania” since 2004 (after Kerry’s defeat).
She nearly made me choke on my breakfast when she had the gall on Sunday morning TV – 2 days BEFORE the last primary – that “there already is a nominee”. Well, excuse me – let the voters get their say in first. She has got some nerve!
Furthermore, that indicated to me that 1. she was already a declared superdelegate (even though she refused to say otherwise during that interview and 2. That the whole committee meeting to seat MI and FL was going to prove to be a farce (and it was).
Yep, she manipulated this whole thing from the get-go. Stealing undeclared delegates and giving them to Obama. And, 4 of Hillary’s to boot!
I hope that Deaner, Plastic Pelosi and Brazile get their asses handed to them this November.
They need to get fired!!
CALL HILLARY’S NAME! SHE HAS EARNED THAT RIGHT!
Put Hilliary’s name in the nomination and alert superdelegates that its time they began being honest.
Obama has made promises and already flip flopped.
The more I see he in action, the more the truth of Bill Clintons remark that his position on the war and how he WOULD Have voted is a FAIRY TALE. HE proved that already with FISA and Faith Based Initiatives. Clinton was not being racist, Bill was simply evaluating the man and the way he votes. Present always in Illinois but rarely with a definitive stand.
Add to that I am shocked that the Party allowed caucus votes to REVERSE PRIMARY votes and the winner of the state was not given delegates but the loser of the primary was????
The party has become so undemocratic, are they democrats now or have they simply adopted the rules of the GOP????
No longer can the Party Dean indicate they care about every vote counting. They didnt count them!!!
Whitey tape – the truth is out there
THE WHITEY TAPE HAS LANDED!!!!!
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I trust that all people in the Denver Group are sacrificing to pay off Hillary’s debt. She will be appreciative. Does she actively support the Denver Group?
Dean’s excuse for forcing super delegates to pick sides before the convention was that we couldn’t let it go on until late August. All part of the plan as the party that is out office is supposed to have their convention in July followed by incumbent party in August. He changed the rules because of the Olympics, which haven’t even started yet. Plan may backfire as it gives Hillary folks time to recover from the coup announcement, and organize.
Donna Brazille is an ass…now I know why CNN is so pro-Obama!!!
[...] Hills have ayes… Written by ekg on July 17, 2008 – 4:37 pm – Rumors have been swirling that Obama,Dean and Pelosi are trying to negotiate Hillary’s name off of the [...]
It is NOT true that anybody “stole” anything from Ms. Clinton. Not Barack Obama. Not the DNC. Nobody.
You need to see this, as nothing of the kind happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag96O9_6eXU&feature=related
This entire fiasco is a cynical exercise in propagand by vengeful Hillary supporters who are in denial of reality, and by those on the Right who want to fan the flames of discord within the Democratic Party and take advantage of the chaos and enmity to siphon-off votes for John McCain, who will do nothing but continue the Republican Party’s reign of terror that has nearly destroyed America.
What really happened was very simple. Humbling perhaps, and frustrating perhaps, but nonetheless true.
Hillary’s people believed she was a slam dunk. To their surprise and horror, Obama ran a much better campaign, raised more money than Hillary and came from behind to take a decisive lead.
In the final months of the campaign, Hillary and Bill played major league hard ball Karl Rove style in attacking Obama, and yes THEY played the race card and the sexism card. There is more than abundant proof of this, if you will simply Google the subject and stick to sources of factual information as opposed to partisan commentary from people who are determined to manufacture controversy and smear Obama, no matter what actually happened .
In a final act of desperation as her ship was going down, Hillary’s campaign tried to get the band to play a song by demanding that the DNC reverse its decision to disallow the votes from Michigan and Florida … a rules decision that had been made in full compliance with a signed agreement that was reached early in the campaign between the DNC and all of Democratic contenders, including Clinton and Obama.
There was nothing unfair, prejudicial or crooked in what happened.
Take a look at the video and you will see what Hillary’s campaign manager initially said to the DNC in writing on the subject of the rules agreement, then what Hillary said herself in October 2007 in continuing to agree with the rule, then what they said in the final weeks of the campaign when it was clear that she was about to lose the nomination and they were doing everything possible to avert it.
The DNC has been accused of denying Hillary what was rightfully hers, and Obama has been attacked as the evil and duplicitous equivalent of The Joker who purportedly was behind the injustice. Nothing of the kind is true.
In point of fact, the DNC bent over backwards in trying to resolve the issue equitably. According to the rules and the agreement that had been in place since the beginning of the campaign, the DNC could have and probably should have said NO to Hillary’s last-minute Hail Mary pass. What they did do was compromise, in allowing a proportionately equitable percentage of the votes to count. This is not only NOT unfair, it was a substantial concessions that the DNC did not have to make.
Did Obama’s people object to Hillary’s attempt to get the rules changed at the last minute, for her benefit and no other? Well yes (duh), and rightfully so. Would you be OK with playing poker in a game in which your opponent can get the designated wild cards changed based upon what she’s holding in her hand, or get her pair of Queens to beat your 3 nines when there’s a big pot at stake? No, you wouldn’t, and neither did Barack Obama. He was not one bit out of line in resisting Hillary’s flat-out attempt to “steal” the thing herself. Could we please get real here?
It is abundantly clear that Hillary lost to Obama fair and square, and that the sour grapes and accusations of mistreatment are totally unwarranted.
For some of Hillary’s supporters to refuse to support the candidate she has personally asked you to support, and to be cooking up schemes for derailing the Convention and throwing the election to another Republican, is an unimaginable ruthless, malevolent and selfish thing to do. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
THE PUMAS ARE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED …
1. Contrary to what Obamabots say …
Obama and Hillary were in a dead heat,
when the DNC pressured Hillary into not
only conceding, but campaigning for Obama.
2. Obama is once again in a dead heat, but now
with McCain, even though Obamabots act like
Obama has already won (like they did in the
primaries against Hillary). So, this means that
half of the Democrats, and all the Republicans
(3/4 of America) dIdn’t want Obama. Plus, he
didn’t even win the popular vote, and refused a
revote in Michigan and Florida.
3. Obama has the thinnest resume in politics, and
he won state legislature and Senator by
disqualifications of his opponents, not by earned
experience, or votes.
4. Obama’s one claim to fame is being a community
organizer, where he boasts of registering voters.
Then he took their votes away from them, by
disqualifying his opponents on technicalities, prior
to the election.
5. Obama’s mentor of 20 years, was an anti-American
racist … not to mention other unsavory associations.
6. Obama is simply buying the election, since he’s
good at fund raising … hardly a qualification to be
President of the United States.
7. The media never vetted Obama, and they are
giving him a free ride, plus more than twice the
print and air time as McCain, as they did against
Hillary.
8. 90% of blacks are voting for Obama, because he is
black, while the campaign gained ground by
accusing most opponents of racism.
9. Obamabots were, and are extremely nasty and sarcastic
towards Hillary supporters, as well as McCain supporters.
10. Pumas should be applauded for putting country before party …
especially a party that did not represent them, and a party
which highjacked the nomination for Obama.
REPLACE OBAMA WITH HILLARY AT THE CONVENTION !!!