Let’s Not Forget Why We’re Here, Okay?
By Lady Boomer NYC on July 12, 2008 at 3:40 PM in Clinton, DNC, Hillary Clinton, Iraq, Obama
cross-posted from Lady Boomer NYC
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Remember what this election was supposed to be? This was the shoo-in year for the Democrats. This was the year that they couldn’t make a mistake. Why, with a disastrous war that most Americans think is wrong, that is robbing our economy and killing more innocents than bad guys, making enemies because we’re so reckless, how could they possibly lose?
But once again, my Party found a way to shoot themselves in the foot.
The DNC, which by the way is a private company with no obligation to keep its word about anything, willfully decided to pass over the most qualified candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton. After this decision, they did everything they could to sabotage her receiving the nomination. Every time she had a big win, they trotted out another new super endorsement. Now a feckless cult-of-personality, cute-smile guy, who bullied his way to the top and incessantly rails against people, has tricked others into thinking he has anything at all to do with hope.
Haven’t you ever been played before? At first, the guy tells you you’re the hottest this ‘n that, things escalate. You think he sees you, that he thinks you’re special. You think he’s your soulmate only to find out that he’s got another whole life, girlfriend, wife, etc. The reason it’s so hard to accept is that you bought it so completely. And what you bought was the part where you felt seen.
So this cute guy smiles and sidles up to you. He says you’re cool, but not those other people, they’re not cool — they wear Gucci loafers, are bad dads, tote guns, and don’t speak French or Spanish. He weasels his bad opinions into your ear with humor. He gets you to laugh at the others. It must be okay, because the minister preaches it to his members, “Look at those fools!” And they howl with laughter.
What’s new school about that? What’s unifying about that? What’s different about that person than the snobs who wouldn’t talk to you in high school? What’s different about that behavior than the hate promoted by dictators speaking in large stadiums to adulating crowds?
All through my life, I have attended services of many congregations and denominations, including white and black, Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and many, many more. I’ve never gone to a place that preached hate. If I went once, I’d never return. What’s uplifting about preaching hatefulness, and isn’t that a subtle form of violence? When I go to temple or to meditate, I go because I want to be uplifted, to reach higher—not stoop lower.
I thought only my people did that, you know, kvetch and kvetch about what they don’t like. (Oh, I kid.) Isn’t it easier to complain rather than come up with a genuine plan or an original idea? And the folly of it all, is that’s how he eliminated Hillary—just kept pushing a meme: she was this or that, blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, Hillary kept saying what she would do. The more she did that, the more that real citizens began to listen and follow her. Why? Because understanding a problem in-depth, and providing an actual compassionate solution IS Hope! When you actually listen to people, and they feel heard, it improves their mood (and yours), and they feel hopeful. Just like you thought the player did, but the player had nothing inside, was hollow, and in the end, deserted you. In the end, the player just moved on to next, because it really was always about him, not about you anyway. So what do you think? Have you been played? From the blogosphere:
You know, I defended that f–ker.
That’s about all I can say, because anything else is going to be incoherent babbling and profanity-laced. And for everyone who told me I should have backed Clinton, you’re right.
But that’s not really the bad part. No it’s not really about you or me or Hillary. The bad part is that while Obama complains and talks about more stuff he doesn’t like, soldiers and innocents still die every day in Iraq. The bad part is that every day he procrastinates having a plan, he betrays the people who are losing homes, savings, and hopes of a stable future. The bad part is that, while this joke of a nominee and the power-grabbing Dems who supported him book a stadium and even try for the Brandenburg gate, they push to have Hillary Clinton sweep up their crumbs. The bad part is this spineless candidate and his enablers have robbed, robbed the people of this country a means by which they could have improved it, kept it from its apparent slow death.
Make you mad? Make you sad? Make you sick? That is precisely why we continue our protest. We cannot give up. We must keep moving forward, make our voices heard, and claim what is our right by vote of the people: the nomination of Hillary Clinton our President. We’ve all been working so hard, but our job is made increasingly easier by the repeated unconscious blunders of a candidate who, although he plays it real cool, really doesn’t have a clue.
Through these fields of destruction
Baptisms of fire
I’ve witnessed all your suffering
As the battle raged higher
And though they did hurt me so bad
In the fear and alarm
You did not desert me
My brothers in arms
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Barack Obama has refused $84 million of government money for the fall campaign because he believes he can raise more privately. For the Democrats to find it easier than the Republicans to raise money is a recent development, and a somewhat inspiring one. Affluent people who give to the Republican Party are advancing their own class interests, whereas those who give to the Democrats generally aren’t. This suggests an admirable seriousness about their giving. On the other hand, if they go off in a snit when their candidate loses the nomination, that will suggest that they aren’t really in this out of progressive passion–they just find politics an amusing hobby, like racehorses or yachts.
Do not use the word Progressive in the same breath as barack obama.
Obama epitomizes the Fascism (I use that word in its most academic and historical meaning) that lies at the core of Progressivism.
Research what a tyrant Woodrow Wilson was. He was another University do-gooder type.
PES (Party of European Socialist) where Howard Dean was the Keynote speaker also goes under the label of Progressive Parties.
Im pretty sure Pritzker is looking out for her own interests and a waiver of her debt to the FDIC and taxpayers if Uhhbama were to be elected when she stumps for him and passes the plate.
For the Democrats to find it easier than the Republicans to raise money …
… should SCARE THE SHIT OUT OF YOU.
There is one party in this country — that of the filthy rich. They latched onto the Republicans in the early 70s, and started to suck. Now, the party is a husk, near-death, a walking corpse.
So, like any parasite, the filthy-rich are up and looking for another host.
And they found it.
And it will be a decade before the cloth-bag-using, swirl-bulb-buying liberals wake up to it and realize that they shouldn’t be voting Democrat anymore.
If they ever do.
well put
My thoughts exactly. Does anyone here believe he raises 30 million a month from his 5& 10 dollar people. Looks like corruption to me.
And here’s the explanation.
Go to http://liberalrapture.com/
and read the latest scripture:
Wandering the money desert….
A reading from the Lost Gospel of Donna the Brazilian…..
and also ‘wow’, Rupert Murdoch and Sam Zell are ANYTHING but progressive, and when THEY are supporting your supposedly DEM candidate, you KNOW you have some homework to do…
And your WORD and your PRINCIPLES are thrown under the bus…sold for a few pieces of gold
This is the bottom line of what Oblahma did
Nuts to you.
http://obamaschocolatenuts.com/
Admirable for turning down public financing…is that how it’s being spun these days? That’s right, it’s all about the people with BO. That’s why he supports FISA.
Apparently, he’d rather get money from “small donors” by kissing up the the filthy-rich than take money from anonymous “small donors” three bucks at a time, which is all the public financing amounts to.
Where thefuck do those braindead Obamabots think that “campaign public financing” money comes from, anyway? Hey, dipshits, you know that little box you check on your 1040 — oops, sorry.
You know that little box that your parents check on their 1040s that says, “Want $3 to go to the fund to drown us all in TV commercials for the new walking corpse who wants to be in charge of this asylum?”
That’s campaign public finance, you sad shits.
wow, what a surprise that comment of yours is actually Michael Kinsley’s words from the Time.com article Divided They Fall.
So if you are not Michael, credit the writer.
WHAT? WOW LACKS ORIGINALITY?
This Wow is really a surrogate of Plagiarist Obambi.
No wonder.
I knew I’d read that comment a half dozen times verbatim! Wow has been spamming this site with that blurb for over a week. Paid or volunteer bot for sure. It must be on a memo.
if you are going to rip off Kinsley’s points, and not give credit to the author, (like your candidate plagiarizes others), why not go here and see a response to his piece from a PUMA member:
http://politicalpyro.blogsome.com/2008/07/12/power-of-the-pumas/
FALSE.
FEC data shows Obambi has received more donations from PAC and lobbyists. GWH’s 527s are now under the tutelage of Obambi.
Go to Chicago! How can your Obambi win this election if all his litters are screaming in the rouge streets and slums of Chicago? Now the other party is making fun of the entire Dem Party.
The likes of you have fooled us once.
Twice? Never.
Go Pound Sand
No babybot, this is not a “snit”. This is a Rage. A rage against the treatment of not just our current leader, Senator Clinton, but the treatment of the only two-term President our party has produced in my and your lifetime, as well as the treatment of all of us who support those two leaders — all of us, up and down the line.
You cannot, as a political device, falsely label 18M + 2 people as “racists” and not expect an outraged reaction. Or perhaps you did — in which case, how stupid were you?
By your definition Obama is a Republican. Take a look at his recent past history to confirm it:
In the past weeks Obama has:
• campaigned in support one of the worst Bush-enabling Blue Dogs over a progressive challenger
• reversed himself and announced his support of FISA
• repudiated Wesley Clark and said Clark had “dishonored John McCain’s service”
• condemned MoveOn.org for its newspaper ad criticizing Gen. Petraeus
• defended his own patriotism by impugning the patriotism of others, including the “the so-called counter-culture of the Sixties” for “attacking the symbols, and in extreme cases, the very idea, of America itself” and “blaming America for all that was wrong with the world”
• announced is support for continuing Bush’s faith based initiatives program, including allowing religious charities discriminate based on religious belief
• hired the pro-Walmart economist Jason Furman as his economic policy director
• named Jim Messina, who served as pro-corporate Max Baucus’s chief of staff, as his campaign chief of staff
• formed a Working Group on National Security that consists Warren Christopher, Sam Nunn, David Boren, Madeleine Albright and other old world pols
• made statements in support of NAFTA, which he now says he won’t revisit
• released a campaign ad which hits on right-wing themes like “cutting taxes” and “moving people from welfare to work”
‘ announced that women with mental health problems don’t deserve access to abortion
All this came on top of Obama’s earlier
• praising Reagan and Bush
• arguing that religious politicians can’t be expected to leave their beliefs at the door
• stating that Bush hasn’t quite met the standard of “grave, intentional breaches to presidential authority”
• refusing to support Barbara Boxer’s resolution asking that voting irregularities in Ohio in 2004 at least be looked in to; Obama said Bush won Ohio” fair & square”
• praising gay men who do them the kindness of not “proselytizing
• supporting an immigration plan sponsored by John McCain, which does not include benefits or amnesty for undocumented immigrants
• bragging that he can attract Republican voters
And in his little time in the Senate he
• promoted nuclear energy as “green,” earning plaudits from the nuclear power industry as it works to resume building nuclear power plants across the country
• voted to continue to fund the Iraq war
• opposed John Murtha’s call for immediate withdrawal from Iraq
• refused to join 13 senators who voted against confirming Condi Rice as SOS
• voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act.
• voted against a bankruptcy bill amendment that would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent.
• opposed a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872.
• did not support the single-payer health care bill sponsored by Kucinich & Conyers
• worked to pass a class-action “reform” bill that would effectively shut down state courts as a venue to hear most class-action lawsuits, including those based on discrimination, consumer fraud, and wage-and-hour violations. This bill was heavily pushed by financial firms, which make up his second-biggest single bloc of donors.
That is a Republican for sure.
Why McCain vs. Obama?
Because McCain has many “real centric” ideas appealing to democrats compared to Obama.
Obama’s original sin? Far left making Democratic Party so evil in eyes of the independents. Clintonists may be populist, but never communists.
If not Hillary, McCain it is. I am sure of this.
MY VOTE FOR MCCAIN WILL HURT OBAMA MORE.
But for now, HILLARY IN DENVER! HOPE NEVER DIES.
I believe, Obama has a little problem nowadays with raising money… He will (If he can, I don’t know) revert to public financing. WOW! I can’t wait the new explonation.!
Food for thought:
If Obama took public financing, those donors could still contribute to DNC (I believe the maximum is $28,000), and to congressional and senate races. Furhter, DNC could coordinate spending with him.
So, why didn’t he do it and saved face too?
Wait. Is this post from two weeks ago? Because I swear I’ve read this BS about a half dozen times already. Still rationalizing Obama breaking his word about public campaign financing? Pathetic. Obama is a joke. He has no plans. He has no experience. He actually did sell his own grandmother. His money this month was a fraction of what he thought he’d pull in while McCain had his best fundraising month yet. The RNC reportedly (WSJ) has $400 million for the GE. Republicans propped up Obama’s candidacy to get Clinton out of the race.
You fools got it all wrong. You thought Clinton would be easier to beat, because of all her baggage. But we’ve heard it all about the Clintons. Obama, on the other hand, gives the Clintons a run for their money. Wright, Meeks and Pfleger were the tip of the iceberg. That just shows you what he thinks of you. His wife has said as much, and don’t doubt for a minute that Whitey Tape doesn’t exist. There’s still the Rezko story. Blago is next; maybe he’ll rat out Obama. We haven’t heard about Odinga yet. Then what about Ayers? He was more than just the guy down the street. Obama on the issues has lied, backtracked and sold out the party every single time. Some of his supporters say he has a “secret plan” like Nixon. To them, I say, “Are you on glue?” Seriously.
The DNC, as Lady Boomer NYC pointed out, is private. It is running a scam on the American people by pushing forward a flawed candidate, even illegally when you look FL and MI. IA, NH and SC violated the actual rules. Caucuses were gamed and sabotaged. Voters were intimidated. Lives were threatened. And threats of rioting and violence were made about the convention in Denver. Do you even recognize your country? I sure don’t.
Even though I think Obama is charismatic and smart, I also have zero respect for him. His campaign was beyond dirty tricks and scorched earth. It was an affront to the most fundamental tenets of our gov’t. I can’t figure out why people support Obama besides hype. He has done nothing. He has shown no respect for our country or the democratic process. He used sexism and racial politics to distract voters from his underhanded dealings. It’s a shame someone so capable has stooped so low and accomplished so little. I’m glad he is self-imploding right now.
ladyboomer nyc
thank you for this wonderful piece. And thank you for the music to read by. I have not listened to Dire Straits for some while, and Brothers in Arms, how could I have forgotten…
Music to inspire, and to help keep the home fires burning.
HILLARY WILL BE POTUS
Please let us keep ourselves determined on that fact because it feels like the only real HOPE at the moment.
While reading the following piece:
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
It came to me that the only reason that Pelosi and Reid would go along with approach is that they fear Bush’s directive that makes him a permanent POTUS and I then realized that both Pelosi and Reid get to keep their own pieces on the chessboard in the same order and Pelosi is only two heartbeats from Bush’s chessboard square.
Somebody tell me that I’m wrong on this assumption, please.
then who should these cloth bag buying and swirl bulb using people vote for?
I do both those things and I am voting for Hillary or McCain….
NOT for Uhhbama, the candidate who voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill
Let me add… the fake FISA bill filibuster!
Why don’t you tell me? You’re the one who is supposed to be the “progressive.” I’m just some bitter, racist, gunowning Bunker, right? Ignore that advanced degree and those four languages.
Janis,
Remember that term, progressive.
Include the following:
Democrat Socialists
Socialists
Communist Party of USA
They are the ones called by Bill as the “Far Left”.
We may be liberal, but never communists, not even close to failed progressives and socialists of Eastern Europe. Our great President JFK fought against them. Let Pres. Bill speak the truth!
Why did we allow these traitors destroy our party?
I am a Democrat and Liberal. I don’t accept other labels.
Another recycling, swirl bulb using, bitter old woman from rural America with 2 advanced degrees here that will NEVER vote for his Obarfiness. Piss on the bots and their stupid, bloody master of chaos.
Cloth bag buying, swirl bulb using (and bicycle riding, I might add) voter here. I’m voting for John McCain for many reasons, but the best is upthread.
What’s different about that person than the snobs who wouldn’t talk to you in high school?
Because he appeals to people who never got over that. Most of us weren’t in that crowd, but we either grew up and found our own crowd, or discovered through life that the in-crowd in high school was composed of the people who had peaked too early and that all the cool adults were geeks in high school.
But, some people never get past that — they never stop wishing they were one of the cool kids. They never get there, and they never realize that there’s no there there. The cool kids peaked too early in high school, the resentful ones never emotionally graduated.
So now, someone comes along that promises to make them cool.
And they sell their souls for what turns out to be a rabbit’s foot.
(And the fact that they got to beat a bitch in the process only made it better.)
obama and nascar a no go…:
http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/yellow-flag-nas.html
Like I said in the previous thread. He only wanted it because the cars can only turn left.
Obamboozler’s foggy mind saw “sponsor race card” and not “sponsor race car.”
LOL.. must be the drugs.
MSM said Obama passed on NASCAR.
Truth be told, Jimmie Johnson kicked Obama’s *ss and endorsed McCain.
This isn’t about “going off in a snit” because Clinton lost, although that’s a great OObama supporter talking point. Either you have not read this blog very long, or you aren’t paying attention. People are upset as to how MI and Fl were handled which was unfair. It’s about Hillary being told to pull out of the race even after she won big states and primaries. Would that have happened to to a male candidate?; I don’t think so. It appears possible to me that Obama was set up as a candidate years ago. And you obviously haven’t been paying attention if you think Obama is a progressive. He voted yes on FISA, wants not to have pblic financing of his campiagn supports capital punishment. He is a “faux progressive” running to thre right and his friends are crooks and nutty racist, sexist preachers. You want a progressive? Vote for Nader. I didn’t even support Hillary (I supported Edwards) and I still think Obama is a poor, poor choice for President, that the DNC handled things terribly, and I am AM going to vote for Nader.
He has become more conservative than John McCain. Even McCain didn’t support the energy bill. Now Obama rails against the tax cuts he gave oil. Piece of dirt. I hate hypocrites.
“Conservative” is a misnomer. That’w why Bush and his gang began calling themselves neoconservatives. Now Obama and company call themselves neoliberal. They are liberal, either. They are soulless, corrupt and parasitic. They stand for nothing but themselves.
so this is the new talking point on the Puma side:
“Obama is cool and charming and brings back bad highschool memories so let’s let the republican’s win!!:
Cool. I like that better then:
“Obama benefited from an unfair selection process and a sexist media so let’s let the Republicans win!!”
it seems more honest.
I don’t vote for the crooked party. Right now, that’s the Dems. The Repubs haven’t stolen or rigged anything so far.
If the RNC had its way, Romney would have been the candidate.
“Obama is cool and charming and brings back bad highschool memories so let’s let the republican’s win!!”
Christ, you have no brains. Go back and reread, you nitwit.
Then vote Nader and leave here.
We’re you speaking to me, Harp? Unlike the poster I responded to, I think Hillary was treated badly and I would support her as a candidate at this point. I am a proud PUMA.
Sorry..wrong comment
No problemo.
Both lines worked for me. McCain before Obama.
McCain is real American despite all his faults.
Obambi? Let him answer first all the questions and allegations posed by this thread:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org
(sorry author; promo of the site not intended here)
Now we have all the ammunitions about Obambi. What a shame! Not even one in the MSM asked the question.
It’s not too late WOW. Put Clinton’s name in the ballot in Denver and make a Roll Call.
If she loses, we’ll accept. If Obambi loses, YOU MUST ACCEPT.
Hillary in Denver!
It’s not a game – it’s a country. Obama is a panderer, a flip-flopper. People want to know that their president stands for something. Obama has not stood stalwart on anything. Tomorrow he will be for something else.
You either refuse to acknowledge that you get it or you are ignorant of the facts that have brought Hillary supporters to where they are right now. In either case, it is not about “winning” – it is about what is right. Obama is not the right person for the job.
appears like you were not cool then or now. Nor can you read and remark on what someone meant without twisting it. Which is a lot like your idols, that would be Barky and Barkett.
Of course, you fucked it all up. You must have been a stoner in high school. You seem slow on the uptake.
Wow! The new Obama talking points, everything old is new again. On FISA:
Quote by Thomas Jefferson
In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.
It seems like yesterday I heard Democrats saying Bush broke the law when he bypassed the courts and didn’t I hear them say above all else we have to protect the civil liberties of American citizens? Or that may have been what I wanted and needed to hear. In 2006, when I still watched MSNBC, Olbermann gave one of his rants on a Republican president subverting the power of his office and ignoring the other two branches of government, but he has changed his mind now. He trusts Obama to be different. He accepts Obama’s explanation of why what was bad is now good. Obama said he would accept public financing because it was the right thing to do, but now it is the wrong thing to do. I’ve admired and respected Hillary for many years, but I like Obama too. A year and a half ago, I would have been happy to vote for either. That was a long time ago now, before I got to know him better and before I understood more about Hillary. Donna Brazil says PUMA is funded by Republicans and the combined membership of over two million people are bitter, menopausal women taken in by the other party. If she says it true, it must be true, but I don’t feel bitter. I feel enraged and so,so sad. Like some others here have said about themselves, I have a post graduate degree and my IQ is probably forty points higher than hers. She is a nasty dishonest woman, but if she says I’m bitter she has to be right. Right?
Wow! That should have been past tense; I liked Obama then, I dispise him now.
I want to believe so much that Clinton will get the nomination at the convention,but I’m a little concerned how an ARROGANT OBAMA,could give his exceptance speech in one building, while everyone is in another building. If he’s planning on this speech,this early,in July,It’s like he’s nominating himself the winner again.Yet its not official today. So how is this man getting away with this STUNT?
Cnn just said, he doesn’t want to give his speech in front of 2000 or more delegates for Clinton at the convention.
I hear a LOT of the media isnt planning to cover his speech since it would be too expensive and there is football on
BWAAHAAAAAA!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHA I like your smile ginaswo and I also appreciated your comments over at the TM. HONESTLY!
But he has still another stunt. Isn’t he planning to do a Reagan act in Germany?
But that Melken is no fun. She’s sexist and racist like me!
Why can’t she just let Obambi make a short scene, the President of World Government sponsored by UN. And all his communist backers are there in Eastern Europe including Pohl Rasmussen.
And hope he stays in Germany forever and never come back.
Hillary in Denver!
I hope it’s a farewell speech. He has Kenyan citizenship through his father. As a Commonwealth at the time, he can run for PM of Canada, the UK… I hear they like him, too. And good riddance to rubbish.
“People are upset as to how MI and Fl were handled which was unfair”
I agree. But I can’t see how that’s Obama’s fault.
“about Hillary being told to pull out of the race even after she won big states and primaries. Would that have happened to to a male candidate?; I don’t think so.”
Yes, it would have. All of Hillary’s team said that this was a race for delegates. When it seemed that he had an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates, people wanted her to leave the race, to avoid, well… this fight we’re having in our party.
“And you obviously haven’t been paying attention if you think Obama is a progressive. He voted yes on FISA, wants not to have pblic financing of his campiagn supports capital punishment. He is a “faux progressive” running to thre right and his friends are crooks and nutty racist, sexist preachers. You want a progressive? Vote for Nader”
On this you have a point, but I don’t like Nader. My politics are progressive, but not completely left-wing. I’m mad about Fisa…. but healthcare, foreign policy and a host of other issues make Obama the clear choice in front of John Mcain. This isn’t about fairness or identity politics anymore, it is about our future.
This must be your first visit to our place then. I have a feeling you about to get educated.
Snicker…they really gave it to him HARP
I agree. But I can’t see how that’s Obama’s fault.
You mean aside from him blocking the MI revote?
Do your effing homework, you chowhead, then get back there.
Obama strikes me as a man singularly lacking in integrity. I think McCain has integrity, so even though I am not voting for McCain I would prefer him to Obama for that reason and a host of others, and my mind won’t be changed.
ditto that.
McCain has a better health plan and is better on energy policy. I even like his economic plan better, but I’d like to hear more details.
Ummm, what were you thinking coming here with this stuff?
First I suggest you learn how to use the ‘block quote’ function so we can understand what you’re saying.
Secondly, Obama DID have a lot to do with Florida. It was agreed at one point that the FL delegates would be seated and then it was up to the candidates to approve it. HRC approved it. Obama wouldn’t unless he got HALF. He didn’t EARN half.
And, he got 4 of Clinton’s delegates from Michigan? Do you honestly believe that slick bastard didn’t have a hand in that abomination?
Of course, we’re not even going to talk about his background or lack of it, his lack of work history and work ethic, his lies, his flip-flops, his recent pandering to the religious right with his ‘faith based’ issue. Do you for one second think you can trust this man? If so, I’m sure there are a lot of realtors and lenders who have some great ’short sale’ properties to offer you. (Oh yes! Let’s not forget Obama’s undying support for the institutions who have CAUSED this housing mess. They’re among his biggest contributors).
But you don’t have to worry about whether Obama is the clear choice for us. Don’t even try to convince us because you won’t. He’s not and we will NOT vote for him.
NOBAMA 08
if you cant see how it is Uhhbamas fault that he stole her MI dels, you are deliberately blind to it. HE BLOCKED REVOTES IN BOTH STATES. He TOOK her dels, he engineered this charade and you know it and we know it and it won’t go away.
HILLARY WILL BE POTUS
First, you have to believe what the candidate is telling you. He has proven he cannot be believed. Zero credibility!!
No, he’s just faking it?
If Obambi can’t honor his words before and now, how can “you” trust him honoring his words tomorrow? Don’t ask for the right answer, that’s cheating.
He’s moving to the center is just for the sake of votes. What else? Because of his principles? Are you a kiddo like him?
Progressive? Ask Communist Party of USA and Chicago Democratic Socialists of America. Maybe you can have a fruitful discussions with your own peers. Include Soros, he can finance your party.
Enjoy!
My biggest problem was the May 31st meeting of the RBC, where they took Hillary’s legitimately won delegates and gave them to Obama. To add salt to the wound, they game him ‘uncommitted’ delegates that he did not win. Never heard of someone removing their name from a ballot, yet receiving votes, have you? His move in that regard was politically strategic – he should have received nothing from Michigan because of it. That’s the DNC playing dirty, or as Rev. Wright would say, “riding dirty.”
A lead in pledged delegates is meaninless.
He doesn’t have enough to win.
Period.
That’s why he’s not the nominee.
Unlike McCain who did get enough to win.
Why is this so hard to understand?
When there’s no clear Democratic pledged delegate winner, the super delegates decide.
At the convention.
Again, what’s so hard to understand?
It’s his fault, because he didn’t say, these 59 pledged delegates aren’t mine. My name wasn’t on the ballot in MI. Nobody voted for me there. And he still went on to crown himself the nominee. He tried to keep FL and MI votes from counting. He is trying to force his opponent from the first ballot at the convention. Eve if Hillary is supporting him now, she still has the right to challenge him in Denver next month.
It is about our future and it mustn’t include an empty suit as president. An Oblahblah administration would make us long for the Bushes much like the Bushes made us long for the Clintons. Obarney is unqualified, ignorant, and arrogant.
OK, “wow”, if your still there, I’ll play this straight because you might be honest with your question:
Go back to the analysis the Florida and Michigan primaries (I can provide the link(s) if you can’t find them).
It was individual Obama supporters in respective state legislatures who teamed up with Republicans who ultimately shot down the “good faith” attempts by Democrats to avoid DNC penalties.
Why does good faith matter? DNC rules only required that individual state democrats make a “good faith” efforts to have their primaries fall in line with DNC schedules. The DNC, a.k.a. Donna B. and Howard D, decided that M and Fl did not make these “good faith” efforts, even though they did in fact clearly try to reverse Republican tainted manipulations.
What other early efforts the DNC made to accommodate the Obama campaign or what other direct involvement the Obama campaign had are known only to the party select, and/or the campaign and Barack himself, but the net result of this fiasco was a positive for the Obama campaign.
You also might want to read about Obama’s introduction into politics, ChiTown style. His “modus-operandi” would make one think his campaign and supporter weren’t just innocently sitting on their hands during the debacle.
Wow! IDENTITY POLITICS? You are really very confused about the reality of this election. You are “mad about FISA”, but you are willing to forgive him because of his “health care, foreign policy and a host of other issues”?
1) There is no greater issue in this or any other election than protecting the civil liberties of Americans and it mutes all other considerations.
2) Foreign Policies? Which are you referring to? Demeaning the most powerful position in the world by reaching out his hand to Castro, Ahmandinejad and Kim Jung Il? Or maybe he will hold Ahmandinejad hand and face kiss him. That would be a wonderful picture to show to the world. And what exactly what is his policy re. Pakistan and Iraq? Hillary Clinton knows more about diplomacy than he will ever know and McCain? Confucius: He who knows not and knows he knows not, he is a child, teach him. He who knows not and knows not that he knows not, he is a fool. Shun him. I would rather take a chance with McCain knowing when he needs advice than Obama who doesn’t know enough to know he doesn’t know.
3)A HOST OF OTHER ISSUES? The environment? Try Yucca Mountain and nuclear waste & Exelon. Even lower corporate taxes? Privatizing Social Security? Public financing? Women’s rights (well, no. I know that’s not on your list of things to do).
Obama may win the nomination. He certainly has the power behind him, but we will not go down without a fight. The GE? He doesn’t seem to think he needs Florida and Michigan anyway. Or Kentucky or West Virginia. He will lose Ohio and Pa. and if I were you, I wouldn’t put too much faith in polls that say otherwise. In November, 18mil. people will stay home, write in Hillary’s name or vote for McCain. Because we are fighting for something bigger than Hillary or the Party. You can take this to the bank.
The above question about for whom we should vote is easily answered. If the Democratic party would just wake up, put Senator Clinton’s name on the ballot in Denver and let Super and Pledged delegates vote without pressure on the candidate most suited to be President and we all should know that by now. The Denver Group has it right.
As much as I would love for that to happen, it’s not. This thing was created in November 2006. Dean and Donna planned this, but what they did not plan was for her to stay in the race until the end of the primary season. They actually thought we would fall in line like the Republicans. She basically told them No Deal, like we are telling them.
So after that speech in given in Denver that has been worked on since January, we must not give in to them.
I agree. I can’t see them actually backing away from their decision. I still hope, but logically, it does not look good.
But I will do everything in my power to keep Obama from getting into office. And I am not alone in that, right PUMAs?
You are not alone. Obarney will only be a footnote in history.
Right…Hell will freeze over first..NObama, NoWay, Never…
OBSP where is your faith? Hillary said, “I will never give up and I will never give in.” Neither of the Clintons are quitters. They are fighters. There could be shifts back to Hillary if things continue down this path with Obama.
Well said, Lady Boomer NYC.
I wonder what Hillary Clinton really thinks of this fiasco. She is sitting on the sidelines while the Democrats put up a deeply flawed and inept candidate and the Republicans put up someone who does not know how to campaign.
McCain seems to be handing Obama the election without putting up a fight. Anytime Obama drops the ball McCain goes on TV and says “I respect Senator Obama.” All the Republicans he puts on TV to speak for him say the same thing. If they all respect Obama so much then why is McCain even in the race.
The McCain campaign is the worst I have ever seen. McCain should be able to destroy Obama on Iraq but he sits on his hands. McCain was one of the few people who supported the surge while Obama did not. The surge has worked yet McCain has not seized the opportunity on this issue. By October Obama will have taken McCain’s position on Iraq and take credit for surge and media will not hold him accountable for his original position.
IT is a scheme. The Republicans can say they respect Obama all the way to the bank. Besides, Obama keeps becoming more of a Republican and they respect his new positions. In the end, Obama will slip up but this time they will call him out on it. Then when he says they always call out people for slip ups, the McCain campaign can run through a list of things they didn’t attack him for. Then they can attack him for those.
I’m not going to mention your racist preacher.
I’m not going to mention the bitter comments.
etc.
I frequent this site, I like to expose myself to contrary views, I like to have my convictions challenged. So far I have found noteworthy in the posts here beyond gripes about sexism and the selection process. I have read many treatise on Obama’s sexism and I am thuroughly unconvinced. I have, however, come to agree with you that the selection process was tainted by the Mi and Fl decision, but I can’t seem to agree that we should take that out on Obama. Sillier things like the tape and the Michelle bashing and the birth certificate are completely unconvincing to anyone outside your political clique, and will remain so.
Do I detect a shade of “believe”?
believe could never have constructed a sentence no more complex than the rudimentary subject/verb/object, nor could ever express anything deeper than popular misconception arising through over use of straw man arguments.
On the sexism point, look at the comparison of women’s pay in McCain’s and Obama’s staffs. McCain pays women more! So, BO doesn’t put his $ where his mouth is.
So your point is that you support Obama. What draws you to this candidate?
You’ve obviously not been that frequent, if you haven’t figured out that MI and FL were more than just “unfortunate” and can’t figure out where sexism came into play. Surely you’ve read one of Harriet Christian’s blog entries? She’s pretty articulate.
Do we really need to rerun through the castration remarks, cackling, claws out comments or painful deconstruction of an honest, choked up moment to get a validation of the rampant sexism? Or will the new Democratic Party just start marketing a Nancy Pelosi stripper pole to compliment her upside of sexism viewpoint now that the Hillary Clinton Nutcracker has served its purpose?
Your tinfoil hat must really be troubling you today.
If I were stuck in Obama’s sites with idiots praying to the messiah I would want to get out of there as well and into reality.
oh and the namecalling, chowder head, nitwit, all that stuff? grow up people. We can disagree without being disagreeable, or can’t we?
Not according to Kos for the pas few months, no we can’t.
The Left Wing blogs have become bastions of the most vicious material. Remember when they ran that article on Kos or Huff Post (I forget) with a picture of Lieberman giving Bush fellatio. Now they are cheering for Tony Snow’s death. Kos and the like are vile and disgusting.
Boo fucking hoo. “Wow” doesn’t like being called names. Tough titties. This is no place for apologists, censors or misogynists. “I never saw any sexism… honest, and I really looked hard.” FOAD.
Per World Net Daily:
Bower said he believes his group is creating an impact with the Democratic National Committee.
“They are worried. They saw these past few weeks how much money we’re still raising for Hillary Clinton. Originally they said ‘Hillary has until the convention to pay off her debt if she wants to be on the roll call.’ Well, then we started making money for her. And then they moved it up to July 15th. So we started making a lot of money for her.”
“We started an initiative just before the 4th of July to raise money for Hillary, and so far we’ve raised approximately $10 million. Sources tell us that’s less than $5 million away from being in the black. By this weekend Hillary’s debt will be finished.”
Bower makes it clear that Sen. Clinton has not asked the organization to do anything. “We’re doing this on our own. We don’t want the DNC to use her debt as a strong-arm tactic to keep her or her supporters from having a voice at the convention. All of us are contributing what we can. None of us want Barack Obama to be the next president.”
{sic…}
“There is a movement afoot,” Bower confided. “It hasn’t hit the ground yet, but we want to target down-ticket Democrats who have been complicit in the DNC’s dealings these past few months. You’ll probably be hearing more about that soon. Some of Obama’s original supporters are leaving him. Eight super-delegates left Obama this week. People are realizing Obama will be a dead weight to them and that’s why these eight delegates have switched back over to Hillary’s column. And I’m expecting there’ll be more to follow.”
BOOYAH WILL!!!!!!
Damn straight we will let the downticket SDs know what they can expect come November if they proceed with this idiocy to the detriment of the entire party and the country…
Mary Ellen
Interesting read..8 super delegates left obama this week? I wonder who they might be. I hope they start to become vocal..just waiting for the snowball effect…..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Thanks Mary Ellen. The words warm my heart.
wow-
I have, however, come to agree with you that the selection process was tainted by the Mi and Fl decision, but I can’t seem to agree that we should take that out on Obama.
Are you really that naive to think that Obama had absolutely nothing to do with backroom talks with Dean and Braizile about all the dirty tricks that were played regarding MI and FL? Are you forgetting that he is the one who would not all MI and FL to have re-elections or having their votes count? Are you forgetting that he gladly accepted the delegates that belonged to Hillary in MI, knowing that he did not deserve them?
Have you looked up any information on how he knocked his opponents off the ticket while running for Senator in Illinois, by using the dirtiest of tricks…even going so far as to have his opponents sealed divorce papers made public?
Take off those Obama rose-colored glasses and do a little research.
what the fuck is that stupid video?
Thanks for you scholarly contribution.
its Dire Straits Brothers in Arms, Gawd get a grip on yourself, go read old issues of Rolling Stone and get a clue…
Brought tears to my eyes.
A more important question is where is the Messiah’s REAL birth certificate proving he’s not an illegal alien?
BAN THIS ISP FOR SEXIST AND INSULTING NAME
I second that.
And, he doesn’t know squat about art.
Absolutely second that.
Oh, that is one of my most favorite songs! Thanks for the memory of it. I’ll have to get it out and listen to it again now.
Barack won’t even attend a town-hall style event with McCain at Fort Hood. McCain’s accepted the invitation from military groups to speak and answer questions. Organizers include American Veterans, Disabled American Veterans, Military Order of the Purple Heart, Veterans for Common Sense and Military Spouse Corporate Career Network.
Barack Obama refuses.
C_O_W_A_R_D
He can’t be a CinC if he’s afraid of the military. Some of his cultists argue that it’s a conservative area, around Fort Hood in Texas. Well, isn’t it Obama himself who argues he can win over Republicans? This is his chance to speak directly to them, isn’t it?
C_O_W_A_R_D
On several occasions, Obama challenged McCain to debate foreign policy and the war, “anywhere, any time”. Here’s a clip showing one such challenge from May:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMGgyPm9kh4&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/07/12/a-commander-in-chief-who-fears-the-military-vero-possumus/?print=1
C_O_W_A_R_D
He consistently distances himself from any military association and wants to be Commander in Chief.
Vets are watching.
Look, the following passage is in Mcauliffe’s book.
“I’m going outside the primary window,” [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.
“If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses,” I said. “We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost.”
He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.
“You won’t deny us seats at the convention,” he said.
“Carl, take it to the bank,” I said. “They will not get a credential. The closest they’ll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it.”
THAT WAS HOW IT STOOD. THAT WAS WHAT MCAULIFFE SAID AND BELIEVED.
The material point is how they were eventually split. The RBC took delegates away from HC to give to BO. And look at their reasoning for doing it! That’s where things get really shady.
tell it to the judge.
‘but, but, but…’
my comments directed to ‘wow’
From Townhall.com
Specter Demands Sanity Check on Obama’s Hypocrisy”
..Senator Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter, the Democrat’s contemplation of not seating Florida and Michigan may constitute a fundamental violation of democratic principles. He believes that the Congress must act “very promptly.”
snip
Specter reminds Obama that it is fully within the Congress’ prerogative to investigate the Democrats’ machinations; the presumption that political parties as private entities are immune from oversight or court intervention has long been judicially discredited.
Specter also suggested that Florida’s Gov. Charlie Crist or Attorney General Bill McCollum and Michigan’s Attorney General Michael Cox or Secretary of State Terri Land Lynn contemplate what would be required to be prepared on June 2nd, to go into Federal court paren patriae to see emergency injunctive relief under “Section 1983,” the legal parlance for the Civil Rights “Anti-Ku Klux Klan” Act of 1871, if the DNC May 31 hearings fail to adhere to the fundamental one-man, one-vote constitutional rule.
Democratic response to Specter is deafening by their utterly stolid silence. DNC press secretary Stacy Paxton did not respond to our phone calls to her office and cell.
..They also routinely disbelieve Obama’s contention Florida and Michigan must be punished for violating party rules, which although viscerally appealing, is utterly fallacious as a matter of law. If Obama was purportedly “upset” at Florida and Michigan primary dates, he was required by law to act before the primary vote, not afterwards. It is fundamental law that Equity hears not the Sloth coming into court.
Open your eyes, Wow! and stop quoting Terry McCauliff. Hillary knew the August, 2007 decision by the RBC would hurt her campaign, but she had no choice about signing an agreement not to campaign in those states.
This is the reality: Obama had to win Iowa or his campaign would have ended there. He was behind twenty points in Mi. What better way to gain support from Iowa caucus goers than to take your name off the ballot in a state you couldn’t win? Then you can go back to a committee stacked in your favor and they will give you all the votes for a candidate going by the name of Undecided even if some of those votes were intended for Dodd, Biden or Richardson. They will even give you an additional four votes based on some unnamed poll. Then you start running national ads in Florida in violation of the “rules”, but never mind. That same committee will cut the votes in half there by cutting in half the number of Hillary delegates. Then there is the added bonus of Iowa being so close to your home state and do easy for the Chicago mob to move in , assisted by moveon, and there you have it.
Now, being the neophyte you are, you might just say, “God is good. How lucky and blessed Obama is.” And I will say bulls#@t. This is the old Chicago political combine and the new, dirty DNC politics. There was no way Hillary would have agreed to stripping Fl. and Mi. She didn’t have a choice in signing the pledge. If you already understand all of this and approve, you can go to hell. If you didn’t understand, perhaps you will think about it.
Obama and McCain tied in daily Rasmussen tracking(first time since June 3)
The race for the White House is tied. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows Barack Obama and John McCain each attract 43% of the vote. When “leaners” are included, Obama holds a statistically insignificant 47% to 46% advantage. Today is the first time that McCain’s support has moved above 45% since Obama clinched the nomination on June 3. It’s also the first time the candidates have been tied since Obama clinched the Democratic nomination (see recent daily results). Tracking Polls are released at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time each day (see recent demographic highlights).
For most of the past month-and-a-half, Obama has led McCain by approximately five percentage points. It remains to be seen whether this recent tightening of the race reflects real change or is merely statistical noise. Check out our weekly review—What They Told Us—to see what was on voters’ minds this past week.
McCain is now viewed favorably by 56% of voters, Obama by 54%. Obama receives unfavorable reviews from 44% of voters while McCain is viewed unfavorably by 41%. McCain earns favorable ratings from 32% of Democrats while Obama is viewed favorably by 22% of Republicans. Among unaffiliated voters, McCain is viewed favorably by 58%, Obama by 54%.
Given the impact of Nader, Barr and Ron, I believe Hillary even can make it on her own as an Independent Candidate.
You know that many conservatives would vote for Hillary if she run as independent.
We don’t even need the shameful Dem Party, now the party of the Far Left.
We need to commend Obama’s offer of Unity for this new development.
Obama’s really the agent of change. Now the change in momentum is on McCain’s side.
More unity?
When all the other candidates had their names on a roll call at the democratic convention, were their campaign debts paid in full?
If not why should Senator Clinton’s debt have to be paid?
Don’t get me wrong I want her debts paid and would rather we did it than the dnc or obama scum be anywhere near her.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
Not Dean. Not Brazile. Mcauliffe.
“They will not get a credential. The closest they’ll get to Boston will be watching it on television.”
Boston?
What the heck does Boston have to do with anything?
NY Times: Obama Supporters on Far Left Cry Foul
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/13/us/politics/13liberal.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
The wind is shifting.
There is always a foul odor coming from the far left and Obama is just about as far out in left field as any politician can get. If Obama was any further left he would be living and campaigning in Red China or the Soviet Union all the while his soul is really in the Middle East. In short he is a black Muslim who uses Marxist tactics politically.
Thanks for demonstrating that you’re not a Democrat.
Believe: Stop the hate!
You’re no democrat; you’re a goose-stepping bot who bought the Oblahblah manipulation hook, line, and sinker. To say you are naive would be an understatement. You are truly a babe in the woods.
wind tends to do that. It’ll shift a few times before November, I’m sure.
I’m having a mental image of John Kerry windsurfing.
ATTENTION FELLOW NO QUARTERS: Please remember to go and donate what you can to Hillary to retire her debt. The DNC is holding her hostage and has moved up the deadline to retire her debt by July 15th or she will not be put up for a roll call. The deadline was the convention but they have moved it up in an effort to keep her out.
ANYTHING, ANYTHING you can afford send her way please.Even $5.08 if you have it will help.
Just go to http://www.justsaynodeal.com and at the top they have a tab that says ACTION. Click on Action and it will take you to a button that says Retire Hillary’s Debt.
The numbers are: 10 million was raised to retire her debt during July 4th weekend and there is 5 million more to go.
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Yah, I know, I know!
I have already made my first donation for my Hillary’s financial independence. My sister and I will continue… but my Hillary will understand and I need to wait for my next paycheck, hi! hi!
I already contributed another $150. The sooner we can retire that debt, the sooner she’ll be able to say FU to the DNC and the Messiah.
Already done and with pleasure.
I dunno. It’s something like Chris Matthew’s “tingling between my legs” when me and my girlies simultaneously gave our contribution to our Hillary. And it really feels good.
Something tells me that this is good for the country that Hillary will rise again.
I just returned from my every six week ritual of getting my hair cut. The salon I go to (Long Beach, CA) is packed and my stylist is a Dem. I was telling him about PUMA and he had not heard of it. I was getting so fired up that the next thing I knew everyone was listening to our coversation. To my amazement, no one there had heard of PUMA, nor were they aware of most of the things going on, i.e., the FISA vote, Obama’s backgound, paying down Hillary’s debt, the whole litany of issues that have and are being discussed on these blogs. The one thing they did seem aware of was JJ’s remark about BO’s nuts! Oh and that Hillary ha endorsed Obama!!! These people had not even sipped the KoolAid and they were going to vote for Obama because they are sick of GWB. It made me wonder how many are out there who are like this!!!! I gave them websites to go to and encouraged them to think and evaluate before they jumped from the frying pan to the fire. There is a lot of work to be done and hopefully we are all spreading the news because despite this being a charged up historical election, some people don’t have a clue as to what is really happening.
I agree CJ. I have been concerned about how many people really know about the movement. Not everyone uses the Internet for info and the MSM is just starting to acknowledge what we are about (see below) but they still are not telling the truth about Obama and the DNC.
Most people still get their news from the MSM, so unless PUMA and other groups make their presence known in newspapers, magazines and other print media that people regularly read, their presence will continue to be under the radar of most voters.
In September 2007, the crowd of Democrats running for president signed a pledge not to campaign in Florida or Michigan. The Democratic Party had punished those states for shifting their primaries and diluting the importance of early-voting states such as Iowa and New Hampshire.
At the time, Clinton was the front-runner, and she signed the pledge. Most candidates, like Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, went so far as to take their names off the ballot in Michigan. Clinton left hers on the ballot. During an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio, a caller asked Clinton what was up.
“Now, just this week most of your Democratic competitors removed their names from the Michigan primary ballot. But you didn’t, and my question is why?” said the caller, who identified herself as Elaine. “It strikes me as this is politics as usual, where the politicians say one thing and they end up doing something else.”
Clinton responded that she stayed on the Michigan ballot because she didn’t want to totally dismiss voters in an important swing state.
“It’s clear this election they’re having is not going to count for anything,” Clinton said. “But I personally didn’t want to set up a situation where the Republicans were going to be campaigning between now and whenever. Then, after the nomination, we have to go in and repair the damage to be ready to win Michigan in November 2008.”
But really, Clinton said, leaving her name on in Michigan wasn’t a big deal.
“I personally did not think it made any difference if my name was on the ballot,” she said.
Clinton won the Michigan’s Jan. 15 primary — with the caveat that her rivals’ names didn’t appear on the ballot.
It’s always been suspicous to me that he took his name off the ballot. I’ve interpretted that move as “politics as usual,” because it always seemed obvious to me that the voters of a major state would have to count.
Rule 11.A. of the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2008 Democratic National Convention states the following:
11. TIMING OF THE DELEGATE SELECTION PROCESS
A. No meetings, caucuses, conventions or primaries which constitute the first determining stage in the presidential nomination process (the date of the primary in primary states, and the date of the first tier caucus in caucus states) may be held prior to the first Tuesday in February or after the second Tuesday in June in the calendar year of the national convention. Provided, however, that the Iowa precinct caucuses may be held no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the Nevada first-tier caucuses may be held no earlier than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February; that the New Hampshire primary may be held no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February; and that the South Carolina primary may be held no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February. In no instance may a state which scheduled delegate selection procedures on or between the first Tuesday in February and the second Tuesday in June 1984 move out of compliance with the provisions of this rule.
We already know that Florida and Michigan violated Rule 11.A. by moving their primaries to a date before the first Tuesday in February. There is no argument there, but what about Iowa, New Hampshire, and yes, South Carolina too.
Rule 11.A specifically set the date for the primaries & caucuses for those three states as “no earlier than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February” (Iowa), “no earlier than 14 days before the first Tuesday in February” (New Hampshire), and “no earlier than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February” (South Carolina).
Iowa held their caucuses on January 3rd. That’s more than 22 days before the first Tuesday in February. New Hampshire held their primary on January 8th. That’s more than 17 days before the first Tuesday in February. And South Carolina held their primary on January 26th. That’s more than 7 days before the first Tuesday in February.
Under Rule 11.A., five states were in violation of the Democratic National Committee’s Delegate Selection Rules, and as such, all five states should have been punished under Rule 20.C.1.a.
Violation of timing: In the event the Delegate Selection Plan of a state party provides or permits a meeting, caucus, convention or primary which constitutes the first determining stage in the presidential nominating process to be held prior to or after the dates for the state as provided in Rule 11 of these rules, or in the event a state holds such a meeting, caucus, convention or primary prior to or after such dates, the number of pledged delegates elected in each category allocated to the state pursuant to the Call for the National Convention shall be reduced by fifty (50%) percent, and the number of alternates shall also be reduced by fifty (50%) percent. In addition, none of the members of the Democratic National Committee and no other unpledged delegate allocated pursuant to Rule 8.A. from that state shall be permitted to vote as members of the state’s delegation. In determining the actual number of delegates or alternates by which the state’s delegation is to be reduced, any fraction below .5 shall be rounded down to the nearest whole number, and any fraction of .5 or greater shall be rounded up to the next nearest whole number.
Yes, you read that right; under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.
However, Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina weren’t punished fairly. In fact, they weren’t punished at all.
And what about Florida & Michigan?
Well, we all know what happened to them.
Instead of strictly adhering to Rule 20.C.1.a. and reducing their pledged delegates by 50%, the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee decided to take it a step further. The DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee exercised the authority granted to them by Rules 20.C.5. and 20.C.6. which allowed them to “impose sanctions the Committee deems appropriate.” And what were those sanctions the Committee deemed appropriate? Stripping two of the largest states in the union of all their votes at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
Ladies & Gentlemen, this is what happens when the rules aren’t applied equally and fairly. And as I said before, this mess is a result of the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee not applying the rules equally and fairly.
So, the next time someone starts talking about the rules, might I suggest two courses of action:
1.) Read the damn rules first!
-and-
2.) Let them know that the rules were bent to allow for Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina to keep their preferred first-in-the-nation status.
You go HARP! Wow, go play somewhere else. You’re not wanted here.
Why has the DNC screamed and screamed about its “rules,” and then applied the rules to punish only two of the 5 states that broke the rules?
I only know about FL- but the general DNC rule is that any change in the timing rule would be excused for good faith and that the DNC had to prove by clear and convincing evidence that the Democrats did not act in good faith.
This will really make you mad. FL Dem tried legislation to move the date to comply with the timing rule. However, the Rep majority wanted all primary dates on the same day, which hapenned to be earlier than the timing rule allows.
So, the Dem proposed an amendment and the rep voted it down. The Rep gov of FL said he would veto ANY and ALL legislation that would change the date. See, the State of FL does not answer to the arrogant DNC who said that FL Dem “defied the rules.” The DNC does not have jurisdiction over FL. As such, there is nothing more the FL Dems could have done- they did not control their state legislature!
Further, a small handful of those DNC decided FL Dem did not act in good faith without any real hearing with the standard of proof required. For this, FL had its voters noses pushed to the ground.
I also think that the DNC tried to force FL to hold caucuses instead of primaries. FL did not want to disenfranchise the voters who had already voted and FL prefers the primary. (We all know how causcuses work) Plus, there was not time to hold them and that decision did not belong to the FL Dem- but to their State AG and there was not time to get something like that rolling.
DNC SUCKS- FL WAS HIGHJACKED.
Ha! I posted the rules, too. Nice one, HARP.
Obama removed his name from the Mi ballot in a deliberate attempt to invalidate the results of the primary election.
It was a purposeful act.
Now I ask, what if no one had their name on the dem ticket for the primary?
No vote for you?
Not exactly a democratic process that we in America are familiar with.
Not to mention a public humiliation of the dem party.
No vote for you.
He also used the move to kiss butt in Iowa. Iowa, you are the FIRST and will always be!
She was trying to downplay Obama’s and John Edwards Audacity
She was up 20 points in the polls leading up to Michigan. Obama and three other candidates urged people to vote uncommitted, and Hillary still won.
As it turns out, Michigan didn’t count for anything. It sure didn’t count for democracy. Hillary, as always, was remarkably prescient.
Both these articles were interesting reads on Michigan.
Quote~
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/09/michigan.primary/index.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/9/211753/2995
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_finkUalw0&feature=related
PROOF
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-midems15jan15,0,1291256.story?coll=la-politics-campaign
January 15, 2008
“Brewer, the state chairman, said he expected Michigan’s delegates would ultimately find seats at the convention.
“That part of the penalty in the past, when it’s been applied, has always been lifted,” Brewer said, adding that Michigan is crucial to success in the general election.
“Michigan politically is so important to the candidate, he can’t become the Democratic president of this country without carrying Michigan,” Brewer said. “So a way will be found to seat us.”
Not seating them would have been illegal. As it goes now, the Democratic party leadership was guilty of shameful electioneering.
The MSM Is Finally Getting It!
Chris Mathews said (paraphrasing) he is getting it a little late but from all the emails from, and other communications with, Hillary supporters he now knows they are standing solid against Obama and will not vote for him.
I have heard several other news and radio talk show hosts, on MSNBC, CNN, FOX, etc. say very similar things. They are all astounded by our resolve and growing numbers.
The bemused look on all their faces was priceless. The look of consternation on the faces of the Obama pundits as they tried to babble denials was also priceless.
We are having a huge impact and they are finally getting it – even the ones that won’t admit it.
no shit
HOW CAN I VOTE FOR A MAN WHO CALLED ME A RACIST? TELL ME.
RELEASE MY HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PUMA, STAY IN THE COURSE.
1. FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE OF OUR HILLARY FIRST.
2. HILLARY IN DENVER.
STAY IN THE COURSE.
Great to hear! This must be a direct result of our PUMA action emails that we sent out this week to all MSM outlets. Nice to see they read!
“Its clear this election they’re having is not going to count for anything.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related
if someone can give me a good excuse for this I will donate to puma pac
OBAMA
SUCKS! OBAMA SUCKS!
Obama sucks Larry Sinclair’s cock!!!
Yukk!
I gave you one further down please donate. Actually I gave you two.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/16/obamas-choice-for-michigan/
First: What are the rules?
Ted Deutch, a Florida State Senator for the Democratic Party, and member of the Judiciary and Rules committees in the Florida legislature, explains (all emphasis mine):
Rule 11 clearly prohibits primaries or caucuses from being held prior to the first Tuesday in February, except in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina, each of which is assigned very specific limits on when they may hold their contests.
According to Rule 11, Iowa could hold its caucus no earlier than January 14, New Hampshire no earlier than January 22, and South Carolina no earlier than January 29.
Further, in accordance with Rule 20.C: “The number of pledged delegates elected … shall be reduced by 50 percent.”
Moreover, Wayne Barrett, an esteemed political journalist since 1979, reveals that before Rule 20.C or any rule stripping delegates can be enforced, the DNC, under its rules, is required to determine whether the Democrats in a noncompliant state made a “good faith” effort to abide by the party’s electoral calendar, and to only impose the full weight of penalties (i.e. nullifying the entire delegation), only if Democratic leaders in that state misbehaved.
In addition, the rules require the 30-member Rules and Bylaws Committee to conduct “an investigation, including hearings if necessary” in order to ascertain if Democratic leaders in a state in violation of Rule 11 “took all provable, positive steps and acted in good faith” to keep the state in compliance by either promoting legislation to avoid or preventing legislation that would cause a state to fail to comply to Rule 11.
Second: Who broke the rules?
It is well known by now that Florida violated Rule 11 and moved the primary up seven days previous to February 5, while Michigan moved their primary up 21 days early. The story we rarely hear is that Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina also violate Rule 11 by moving their caucuses/primaries up to January 3, January 8 and January 26 respectively.
It is clear that five states, Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Michigan and Florida all violated Rule 11.
Third: How were the rules applied?
Well, it would seem that the DNC failed to abide by their own rules. Remember the rules requiring that the Rules Committee do an investigation into how a state came to be in violation of Rule 11?
A DNC spokesman could not point to any real “investigation” the party conducted of the actions of “relevant Democratic party leaders or elected officials,” as the rules put it. All that happened with Florida, for example, was that two representatives of the state party made a pitch for leniency immediately before the Rules Committee voted for sanctions.
Wayne Barrett, in the rest of his article, eloquently enumerates how the Republicans in both Florida and Michigan were largely responsible for the resulting early primaries.
Further, the rules that were applied were clearly not applied fairly, and it would seem that Dean and others exercised powers they never possessed.
Back in June, a DNC spokeswoman, for example, told the Associated Press that neither Dean nor the Rules Committee “has the power to waive the rules for any state,” explaining that “these rules can be changed only by the full DNC.” Yet a few months later, on the same day that the Rules Committee stripped Michigan of its delegates, it waived the rules for New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina, each of which had also moved up their primaries.
Why the unequal treatment? Exactly what did Florida and Michigan do that Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina not do? It would seem that the DNC has been pandering to Iowa and New Hampshire especially, attempting to assure that their archaic privilege of being first will be protected, even at the expense of the 4th and 8th largest states in the union, and possibly at the expense of the general election.
But here’s the crux of the issue – even if the DNC and Dean can supply any reason for the failure to apply the rules to Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina while stripping the entire Florida and Michigan delegations, there is nothing whatsoever in the rules that nullifies the popular vote totals in Florida and Michigan.
Deutch explains the rules of the DNC only have jurisdiction over the delegates, not the popular vote.
The rules do not say that the votes of Florida Democrats do not count. Indeed, the penalty established by the DNC’s own rules is based upon the results of the primary; therefore, the results of the primary must be valid.
~snip~
The rules cannot tell a state or its voters whether the results of a legal election are valid; they only govern the selection of delegates to the national convention.
A record number of Florida Democrats, more than 1.7 million voters, went to the polls for the Jan. 29 Florida primary, and not one of them broke any rules by exercising his or her right to vote. But the DNC has said that they don’t count.
NOW… that explains why Hillary said Michigan would not count for anything. Because the DNC said so, although their actions were illegal and unconstitutional. They counted on not getting caught and hurrying along their rock star candidate.
Hillary never supported stripping either Florida or Michigan of their delegates or the popular vote. You quoted a statement of fact: Michigan did not count for anything in the primaries.
PUMA rocks…!!!
Hillary 08
0r
McCain 08
NObama. Not now, Not Ever!
Exactly.
Hillary first.
McCain second. McCain’s war? Okey. But war against traitors first.
yay!
explain.
love these polls
mccain looking gooooood
hillary or mccain 08
for america
puma
The right is just exploiting the the disaffected Hillary people to get McCain elected. Once McCain’s elected they’ll go back to their enthusiastic Clinton bashing, same as they’ve done since Bill was in office.
Taking a bashing from the right is a bage of honor. Hillary has done is for years….. What we Hillary supporters will NOT stand for is the ill-treatment of Hillary by Obama, Obama camp, the DNC and the mindless egits blindly following the Messiah. We will NEVER stand for unfair process in the DP. Deal with it. Obama is going down like the piece of shit he is….
jjran, you took the words right out of my fingers.
okay I know I must have some good points if your only debate tactic is now to post non-sequitors with my name attached to them.
Stop polluting these pages with your ridicules links and preprepared, (not by you), dogmatic shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIIu70P5lhg
this is the only link I posted. Respond to it or don’t. Freedom of speach and all that. Hillary was free to say what she said in this speach.
No I’m not on any talking points regime or payroll. Yes, in life, there will be people who disagree with you in good faith.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIIu70P5lhg
Why,
Why are you here?
Go to school and learn how to spell S-P-E-E-C-H correctly. Not speach.
Are you in summer break? Okey.
HILLARY IN DENVER!
Yeah, she’s at the beech. nya haha
Of course Hillary had to say those things. She couldn’t come out and say it was wrong. She couldn’t even speak against Obama and Edwards everyone knows she would have been finished politically if she had. You see we are the voters and the party can’t stop us from speaking our minds.
oops that WAS a different link- my bad. this was the one I meant, though they all work…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related
And all it is is Hillary’s words.
ARE YOU TRYING TO SILENCE HILLARY??
It is my personal belief, that FL & MI were going to have to be counted. Anybody over 30 would come to that conclusion. You seem to be of the belief that Obama did not seem to understand that. His taking his name off the MI ballot could only benefit him later in a state where he was likely to lose.
oops that was the wrong link again-try this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGxzqwRJUzM
I keep messing up, sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related
yes you are trying to silence Hillary. You are admitting to losing this entire debate and being childish. No one has been able to come up with a single argument for the FACT that Hillary said that Michigan obviously would not count. you lost.
This troll is an obvious idiot.
Please don’t feed. Let this one die on its own.
You can keep changing your name but you serv only one purpose. Every time you come to this site, you generate revenues for the site’s owner. I am sure they are tankful.
This site is a bout a stolen election and an illegitimate, dangerous poser. You have nothing else to contribute.
I need more than that short piece. There was no mention of Michigan, I have no idea who or what she was talking about. That could have been pieced together far as I know. Link it to a reputable newspaper or MSM.
you’re right, I’ll vote Obama.
Also that was such a short piece, maybe she said something else to clarify and it was cut out. Do you think we’re going to believe you. After all this time you come here with this new bit of evidence.
yes, it is clear that Hillary was trying to pull one on us with that MI stuff. She said herself it wouldn’t count! It was Mcauliffe that got us into this mess!
You’re the one fooling us here. THIS GUY OR GIRL IS USING MY SCREENNAME!
but at the same time, Edwards also took his name off the ballot, and it was widely expected that Hillary would to, knowing that Mcauliffe promised that Michigans delegates would not get to the convention.
Thank you, LBNY!
I will go away when you explain this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGxzqwRJUzM
actually, I’ll go now… but I’ll be back with my trusty clip of Hillary saing MICHIGAN OBVIOUSLY WOULDN’T COUNT.
And if anyone explains it I’ll go away, leaving a fat contribution to PUMA in my wake.
I mean this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related
you miscreants got me confused on links in your efforts to SILENCE THE WORDS OF HILLARY CLINTON
lmao @ those other clips tho! thanks for the laughs pumas. see ya soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related
Great post!
CJ said: “I just returned from my every six week ritual of getting my hair cut. The salon I go to (Long Beach, CA) is packed and my stylist is a Dem. I was telling him about PUMA and he had not heard of it.”
Get involved in a SoCal. meetup for Sen. Clinton.
Thanks for the 411. I have sent off some emails so I can get hooked up!
Nice post lady boomer. Really enjoyed that read.
Just read PUMAs are 2 million strong now. Just think, that’s just the number who have registered. I know of others who don’t do the online thing. We’re much bigger than even we thought. Too bad the MSM is so slow on this phenomenon.
Does this site always attract such immature morons? Sorry, PUMAS, for feeding the animal. Is it dead yet? I can’t believe they let it vote!! He used my name, too.
Your post doesn’t make sense.
Do you need help?
I’m referring to youtube poster using everyone else’s names.
The DNC said MI wasn’t going to count. So her repeating what the DNC said shouldn’t bother you. It’s what the DNC actually DID that should bother you.
She said she wasn’t going to take her name off the ballot. Whether she believed MI would count or not, at least she gave the people the chance to vote for her. Not taking away their votes. Obama and the others who took their names off the ballot, still “campaigned” to vote uncommitted. And he got all those delegates given to him…and “presumed” votes too.
She changed her mind. You explain why obama changed his mind on fisa nafta and everything else.
Obama said they wouldn’t could either. At least Hillary later fought for their votes, and was willing to put pay $15 million to revote.
Didn’t we scream in 2000 to count all the votes? Why are you on the other side of the fence now…because it’s your guy? Who is worse, someone who fights for your votes to count, or someone who doesn’t?
What really bothers me is that these young kids are being used by the Obama camp, because they’re inexperienced and naive. It’s so predatory. They will have a rude awakening.
Me too. When I was in line to vote, this girl (probably 18 or 19) was soooo excited about Barack because “he wants to raise teacher’s salaries!!!!” yay!!!!
I’m 41, and I don’t think I ever heard of a person running for president that DIDN’T say that!
Political chicken hawks
Does anyone know when we will hear if we paid off HC’s debt?
I’m sure Clinton will announce it when her debt is repaid. And that would be the official source you should rely on.
PUMAs can still chat live in the PUMA and NOBAMA Lounge at
http://www.lively.com/
Share nobama and hillary clips along with pictures and fundraising numbers.
The PUMA theme song should be Fight The Good Fight from Triumph:
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT
Words and music by RIK EMMETT
The days grow shorter and the nights are getting long
Feels like we’re running out of time
Every day it seems much harder tellin’ right from wrong
You got to read between the lines
Don’t get discouraged, don’t be afraid, we can
Make it through another day
Make it worth the price we pay
The Good Book says it’s better to give than to receive
I do my best to do my part
Nothin’ in my pockets I got nothin’ up my sleeve
I keep my magic in my heart
Keep up your spirit, keep up your faith, baby
I am counting on you
You know what you’ve got to do
Fight the good fight every moment
Every minute every day
Fight the good fight every moment
It’s your only way
All your life you’ve been waiting for your chance
Where you’ll fit into the plan
But you’re the master of your own destiny
So give and take the best that you can
~this part is about Obama~
You think a little more money will buy your soul some rest
You’d better think of something else instead
You’re so afraid of being honest with yourself
You’d better take a look inside your head
Nothing is easy, nothing good is free
But I can tell you where to start
Take a look inside your heart
There’s an answer in your heart
The kids treat the election like it was the Super Bowl. They don’t realize that this whole “Change” scheme has been used to death! The rest of us just roll our eyes because we’ve seen it all before. What else I find disturbing is how members of the media act like this is something new. I’m shocked how Chris Matthews went from making this guy a laughing stock to getting a tingle down his leg. I can’t believe they buy it.
bo is incapable of any real plan. He has depended on others for every word, every idea his entire political career. He’s a puppet and incapable of caring abour regular people.
I’m a democrat and have been my entire life. Tried to switch affiliations after bo became the presumptive nominee, but wasn’t able to do so in my state, so am still a democrat according to the books. Never contributed to repubs or been associated with them in any way. Funny thing is, today I got a survey from McCain. It was a very good one. He asked how I would like the next president to proceed with foreign policy, tax policy, the economy, how is the high price of oil affecting our household, what do I feel our most pressing problem is, how is the mortgage crisis affecting my household, options for fixing social security, pursuing alternative energy, and much more… real issues!!!! This says to me that he is interested in what THE PEOPLE think. I immediately filled it out and sent it in. If Hillary isn’t on the ballot in November, my vote is for McCain.
Yes, let’s not forget why we’re here. We’re hear because we are bitter and sore losers. Obama won fair in square, but we want to put our childish vendictiveness ahead of this strapped nation’s recovery by electiong another Republican. It won’t work, people. There are enough voters who understand what’s in stake to put Obama in the white house. Obama’s lead will fluctuate over time but it will never deminish. I’m sorry Hillary lost, but she shouldn’t have cherry picked the “big” states while counting out the smaller ones, sexism shmexism.
G O B A M A ! ! !
OK, you convinced me. BOBO has got to go.
you sound an awful lot like the republicans of 2000.
This is a great website. It’s wonderful that you Republicans have finally located the internet. Thanks for sharing.
you sound bitter…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
YES, BITTER.
That’s how we taste the poisonous apple of Far Left spread by Obama and his Chicago Hoodlum. Include Sanders and Dean.
Bitter America! Our solution: If not Hillary, McCain it is.
BOTH CHOICES ARE PRO-AMERICA with different ideologues. BUT STILL AMERICA.
Your Obama is Stalinistic with Kenyan tone.