Obama Is Lying on Iraq, Will the Press Call Him on It? (UPDATED)
By Larry Johnson on July 13, 2008 at 11:44 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Flag officers, Iraq, Joseph Wilson, Larry Johnson
We have moved this story back to the top of the blog because it is vital that as many people as possible see not only Obama’s “tap dance” but also the prevarications of his defenders. There is a reason that over 30 flag officers rushed to endorse Hillary Clinton: It is because they know she understands the complex political and military factors involved in Iraq, and they know that Obama does not. That is the reason that Larry Johnson, who never dreamed he’d support Hillary Clinton, met her and found himself so profoundly impressed with the depth and breadth of her knowledge about the military and world politics, that he left the meeting realizing he’d met the best candidate for the presidency of the United States.
There is a reason that former ambassador Joseph Wilson — who is Larry Johnson’s guest at 10 a.m. ET on BlogRadio, along with his wife Valerie Plame Wilson — endorsed Hillary Clinton and wrote eight op-eds about her qualifications and Obama’s failures to learn the complexities of foreign policy. Despite Wilson’s opposition to the war, he is convinced that Hillary Clinton is capable of handling the current, immense challenges in Iraq but that Obama has not bothered to avail himself of the needed experience and study. Wilson remains disturbed that he never once heard of or heard from Barack Obama when he was working ceaselessly to stop the war.
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The Barack Obama tap dance on Iraq, while understandable, is inexcusable. He and his defenders are flat out lying about what he has said with respect to withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
Well Senator McCaskill, looks like your man is, by your own definition, “irresponsible.” He has provided a specific deadline. But the number is 11 months not 16. His timetable is the end of 2009, not May of 2010. This is not my opinion. He states it very clearly in the following exchange with Hillary Clinton at the Nevada Debates:
What plan is he referring to? This plan:
A SUBSTANTIAL, IMMEDIATE REDEPLOYMENT OF AMERICAN TROOPS
“There is no military solution in Iraq. The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq’s leaders to
resolve their civil war is to begin immediately to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year –
now.”All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009: Barack Obama would immediately begin redeploying American
troops from Iraq. The withdrawal would be strategic and phased, directed by military commanders on the
ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Troops would be removed from secure areas first,
with troops remaining longer in more volatile areas. The drawdown would begin immediately with one to two
combat brigades redeploying each month and all troops engaged in combat operations out by the end of next
year.
The full plan is still at this link. No where in the plan or during the Nevada debate did Barack state or insist that his “plan” was just a goal that would ultimately be decided based on what troop commanders told him. Nope. He said the exact opposite. If this is not a lie then what is?
UPDATED: As one astute observer pointed out in the comments, Barack was against troop withdrawals before he was for them. Here is the video proof:
Maybe there is another possibility–Barack does not know what the hell he believes. I think Eminem had Barack in mind when he wrote “The Real Slim Shady.” Will the real Barack please STAND UP?
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Look forward to more Good Morning America interviews with the wife and kids…
DISTRACT !!! DISTRACT !!!
I thought he was not doing any more interviews with his kids. He’ll pimp anyone.
G.O.P. Senator Chuck Hagel is accompanying Obama on his Iraq trip. The candidate has already interviewed him for the job of Sec. of Defense, which tells you a lot. And let’s not forget Rezko’s power plant contract and Iraq war profiteering buddies. This is Bush’s Third Term. The dossier on the subject has already been compiled. Here’s another article with source links.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/BushThirdTerm.html
He said he’d never do it again. oh well just another lie in the life of the empty suit
Claire has admitted she took up the cause of BHO because of her KID.
Same as Kennedy and Kerry’s kids.
These and more “adult parents” were ONLY trying to look COOL (or special) to their kids when they JUMPED head first on the Obama train.
You just KNOW they are NEVER going to admit being so incompetent. They will go down in the rat boat all together. My prediction.
That would be like me supporting Barney, or Elmo for president because my 6 and 2 year old kids like them.
I hope you, You hope me
We’re a changey family
With a great big hug
And slum deal from me to you
Won’t you say you’ll vote for me too?
He threw the kids under the bus.
Larry, you must have had your Wheaties today, your on a roll. Great post.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5351864&page=1
From the military on the ground… it’s not possible to get out in 16 months, let alone 11. Even if we were to pull out now, it would take more than 16 months to get all of the equipment out. Apparently Barack knows nothing of logistics.
He can’t put the butter away, according to his spouse. Where on earth would one get the “notion” that he has a clue what is involve with military affairs or logistics?
Flip-floppery Mr Johnson indeed!
The problem with the con-game Barak has been brought up on is it relies on the mark not remembering what has been said.
When the “just words” start stacking up like the un-paid bills of IndieMac (8 billion)or Bear and Sterns;
http://www.bohemian.com/bohemian/05.28.08/news-0822.html
the BO bait and switch is exposed for the fraud it is. Barak can say he likes the “cheese” sliding off his shoulder all he wants, others are free to form their own opinion.
It’s one thing to have a crumb hangin’ out, such as the occasional croûton crumb, it is another when others notice it and nothing, still one more thing if you keep having the same crumb turn up and people starting to point it out.
As for the moral high ground Mr. Johnson, I’ve thought about it all afternoon out while doing the yard chores…can anyone tell me what Barak Obama has done to pay anything forward? Just because it was the right thing to do that would make him qualified via character to be POTUS?
For the wind of me, I can’t think of one redeeming act by BO. Can you? And he has Sooo many chances…life is not about do overs at that level.
read more about the obama birth certificate issue (with references to noquarter):
http://thevote.abc13.com/2008/07/born-and-raised.html
i don’t believe the MSM has any intention of calling him on anything until after the Democratic Convention. Their masters will not allow it yet.
In his arrogance, Obama seems to think that videotape of his speeches and words don’t really exist. Huh?
Does he think his magnetic personality, hypnotic speaking ability and his moonie-eyed droves will believe any lie he says, in spite of hard proof?
Guess so.
No, he appears to know something that the rest of us are not totally willing to face. No rational person would believe he can behave as Obama has and still get the nomination, nonetheless the Presidency.
I fear it is time to start facing our demons and look at the reasons why he and his supporters are so bold.
Ah uh ih ah uh, He rattles on so I have a hard time understanding him. I think he’s betting on fast talking and winning us over with his charm.
When I was a kid, on my very first job I was fast talked into giving out the wrong change. Obama reminds me of that guy. Very smooth, very friendly and very confusing.
No, he seems to understand that there is nothing he can do that will make him lose this election. And that is our darkest fear as a nation.
Correct, but I bet Obama has gone through his life getting what he wants by flirting and being smooth, and if that doesn’t work he will game the game (cheat). That is what gives him the arrogance to think he can’t lose.
this is how he reminds me of GW
he will do anything because he is so friggEn cocky he thinks no one would dare stop him
And GW has tore through the Crystal Shop of American Fears pretty effectively. Not much left to break but what’s left is NOT GOING TO BE DESTROYED BY BARRY!!
The vehicle thru which he games the game is ACORN, currently under indictment in I think 4 different states.
Simple answer, yes. But it will work with the cultists like believe and teabagger.
I don’t know if Obama believes it, but I do.
Florida Dem — Obama wanted to make a speech at the Brandenburg Gate in Germany. Angela Merkel PM turned him down — One of the Bush administration officials told her it was not appropriate for a candidate to speak at the Brandenburg Gate. So at least in this case — someone said no.
Chancellor Merkel did not need anyone from the Bush administration to tell her that a speech by a presumptive nominee from a foreign country would not be appropriate. She did not fall off the turnip truck just yesterday…
I can hardly wait until tomorrow when some Obama WORM will describe his “consistent” position for us.
Perhaps they will begin to work in Einstein’s theory of Relativity to explain it.
I think string theory would be a better explanation.
Harmonic resonance (or the lack thereof with the OBi campaign these days)
BO’s view of String Theory Illustrated
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4LrbAXb4FQ&feature=related
Sort of like Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle – You can know where Obama is, or you can know what he thinks, but never both.
That is the best reiteration yet I have ever heard of Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle.
For some reason as I read these comments, I keep picturing that pic on the web showing Obama sitting and pretending to be on an important phone call, a photo op gone bad – the phone was upside down -
Hey Pagan you are going to be a star tonight at 8 right? Or wait I think Alegre is on at 8 (puma radio) but I saw your name advertised as coming soon?
And then Larry tomorrow morning?
HOw cool!
The one with Allegre was a good one. An AA women from Mississippi was so upset with Obama she was ready to cry.
PUMA
Very, very important no to loose sight of this! With the “plethora of surplusage” of Obama reversals and lies, it is easy to loose focus.
Ths is one point which should really be hammered; it is a “schwerpunkt”: a heavy turning point for the battle.
Obama has incessantly referred to his “good judgment” and his 2002 speech (incidentally not recorded but re-crafted subsequently by Axelrod) in opposing the Iraq war, that the surge would not work and advocating immediate withdrawal.
Please keep that video and the points firmly up there in front of voters’ mind. As Obama desperately tries to “refine” his stance, the reminder of his original position will also further enrage his rapidly disillusioned supporters.
For what it is worth I predict that one of the following will hand Senator Clinton the nomination:
- Obama will be indicted in the Rezko case, and/or
- Larry Sinclair’s story will filter into the MSM, and/or
- Obama’s birth will be investigated and he will be found ineligible, and/or
- His poll ratings will drop below 40% in conjunction with his fund-raising downturn scaring the wits out of even the dimmest Super Delegate.
Dr Felter I pray you are correct. America needs Hillary!
Obama is loose with his lying tongue.
Hopefully he’ll lose momentum and the nomination too because of it.
I can’t listen to whatever McGasket has to say.
She was probably the must vicious of Obama’s attack dog against Hillary Clinton.
What a horrible creature!
The Sunday Observer in Britain has an article about the possibility of female VP candidates. McCaskill, unbelievably, is not only mentioned, but applauded for her “courage” in supporting Obama. Her kid arm-twisted her, for crying out loud. The woman is a joke.
But so is the idea that Hillary’s voters would be won over by Obama’s choosing a female VP. From my perspective, it would just make them angrier. Women aren’t interchangeable merely by virtue of their gender. McCaskill is supposed to be as smart, experienced and capable as Hillary? That line of thinking really ticks me off.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jul/13/uselections2008.johnmccain
Well, in order to make Obama look like he has some experience, they had to find someone with even less “time served” on their first U.S. Senate term.
Let’s trust McCaskill’s judgment about Oblowme because:
She couldn’t wait to marry a rich old Republican
whose nursing homes weren’t the best in order to
finance her failed bid for Governor against the youngest most inept Governor ever –
after her car salesman hubby was busted smoking marijuana on a riverboat casino
while she was the Jackson County Prosecutor
Hubby was later killed in a drug deal gone bad.
She digs Oblowme because they are both known for blow jobs and doing coke.
It’s corruption you can count on!
NO FRIGGEN WAY?? u kiddin me?
That’s the most wild thing! Damn how do these people get in office? Such deep seeded lives. I swear ANY BODY CAN RUN! lmao.
noooooooo thanks
Hey. Don’t dis Claire. Even though she arrived in Washington after Obama (2007), she has more experience actually on the floor of the Senate than Obama does.
Well that’s true, this Mr. Smith went to washingtona nd IMMEDIATELY started his presidential big and ran off on the campaign trail!
Any female picked by Obama will be a slap in the face to any Hillary supporter
However,any great female VP pick by McCain helps him immeasurably.
I am hoping for 1 of 4, Hillary, Nancy Harmon( recently screwed by Pelosi), Olympia Snow or Sarah Palin in that order.
McCain needs someone with name recognition and a career that doesn’t make him seem too old. Out of the three names here, Olympia Snowe is the only one I like. Sarah Palin would turn off a lot of voters.
Then we should hope for Sarah Palin as McCain’s V.P.
She is a much better person than Claire McCaskill.
Claire’s husband is a GOP fundraiser and owns a chain of subpar nursing homes.
No doubt when elders get too sick for rezko’s slums, they get transfered to one of these hellholes.
McGasket!! I’ve been trying to think of a name for her!! GOOD ONE! Thanks
tRY mcASSKILL
Mcaskill won by a small margin in Mo. principlly because of the stem celll research issue. Has Obama flopped or flipped on that one?
No not yet, He and McCain are no the same page on stem-cel to date.
Just to say, I just picked you out of one of the many haters of Obama. I understand if you were a Hillary supporter, I would have been just as hurt if Obama had lost. However if you are just a racist bigot repug, then it will never matter what Obama does you simply will not vote for a black man. Who by the way is white also. If this is the case nothing anyone does will change your mind, God will have to touch your heart to erase the hate in your heart, about something you dislike because it may be different. I have never thought about race as I grew up in the country a true southern girl. We all lived in the same area we rode the same bus we all went to school together. So, I was lucky enough not to have been subjected to racism. I am a nurse and I do home visits, and I met a lady Her name was Mary, a true red blooded white woman, one of the sweetest ladies I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. I used to sit and talk to her way past her visit, and would go by even when she wasn’t on my schedule. I am glad I was raised this way because I do not have to get rid of such a vile act. I love all people, because we are all human first. Just think about this. And do not let them make this a race issue, that is just a divise to hood wink the american people. This is not about race, not black not white, this is about the haves and the have nots, The have nots are the most of us, the majority. The rest is them. They are BIG OIL. And we are paying. And now they want to turn us against each other. This is our time to stand above this and not let tactics stop us from coming togehter, even if you vote for John McCain. That is each persons own personal right to vote how you choose. Forever whatever reason. I would just ask that you let it not be about race. Even if it is because he is ugly or you do not like the way he walks, is acceptable. But please not because he is black. Have a happy day. I hope this does not offend you, That was not my intentions.
Don’t make the mistake of underestimating stupid.
As Einstein said, “ther are to things which are infinite, the universe and mans stupidty. And I am not sure about the universe.”
NEVER, EVER, under-estimate the idiocy of the electorate. It can be hazardous to your health!
Dmn Typo’s!!!!
Hillary is so smart she makes me so proud.
She basically looked like the leader during that debate.
During every debate, IMO. Once Biden dropped out, there was no contest.
I saw McCaskill on Meet the Press this morning and thought (yelled) what a load of crap. Larry, you better save a copy of that pdf before it disappears from The Ones website.
That’s Obama in the primaries talking. Now that he is the presumptive nominee he thinks that democrats have nowhere to go. Ya he’s a liar and many of us have known it since the primary. The fact is he’s playing politics with kids that are in harms way just so he can win. If he had any judgement on the war he would have been for McCain’s plan for the surge to at least bring down the violence and the killing and blowing up of those brave young soldiers but Obama was against the McCain surge that is actually saving lives, someone had to stand up to Bush the criminal and do something for those kids fighting in Iraq and that was McCain. Obama,Pelosi and company were against the surge for political play in 08. They are sick little puppies who are ready to let soldiers die for their advantage over republicans. McCain had the right call and judgement and as a result the death toll went dramatically down for our soldiers. We should never forget. Obama can not be trusted and his position on the surge is proof that he doesn’t have the judgement to be a senator even less president.
At the height of the Republican Convention
McCain will be hailed as the Leader who won the Iraq War for America.
McCain remained steadfast against universal opposition and put America before his political career to do what was right.
McCain’s policy has prevented the United States from being beaten and defeated for all time.
We didn’t retreat or defeat like Obama wanted which would have caused utter chaos and genocide on the Iraqi people. The world would have saw images of America cutting and running in total humiliation.
Our interests would have been weakened considerably and the Iranians would gained power and hegemony in the region.
The republicans will run images of Obama wishing for defeat and retreat.
The video from the state of the union address clearly shows that when Bush announced the success of the surge Obama failed to stand and clap for our troops and their success.
How shameful of Obama to wish defeat!!!
Hillary got up and clapped like a real American who cares about our country.
In sales it is called the presumtive close.
Dan — Obama thinks its the primaries again only this time he is competing in the Republican Primaries for McCain’s voters. Wonder what the Democratic Platform is going to say. All Democrats who believe in UNITY are now Defacto Republicans to honor our nominee.
Let’s invite these guy’s over for dinner and a chat.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/iran/2008/iran-080712-rianovosti01.htm
0buma: From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Amadinijad needs a “hopey changey hug”
Why is he avoiding border issues?
Because he wants to rule Mexico and Canada, too?
Because he is a Soros product, the whole “open society ” thing.
The ONLY good thing about Obama, is that he shows us which “Democrats” we can trust, and which ones *cough* McCaskill *cough* need to be elected out of office.
I have heard Barack say that we need to get the troops out now, but reserve the right to go back in??? what???
His website says this:
Obama had the judgment and courage to speak out against the war. Oh really? to about 100 people right? One that no one heard? If he was so against it and knew it was so wrong, why wasn’t he marching on congress demanding they read the intelligence? Something he didn’t read. Something that was faked.
It also states on his website that he says this:
“Congress gave the President the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost.”
Ummm…not really. We’re talking about a president who stated he didn’t need the congress to invade Iraq. Was anyone stupid enough to believe that Bush wouldn’t go to war with Iraq without the approval of Congress? Of course he would. I think Congress was trying for a little oversight…voted to use the war as a last resort.
If he’s so upset about the people who voted “for the war”, then he shouldn’t take endorsements from Kennedy, Kerry, etc…
Larry, as always, you’re great today! Can’t wait to hear you tomorrow!
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20080713_Worldview__Iraq_a_tricky_issue_for_Obama.html
FYI
A McBama moment. Perfect!
McAwful stated publicly that she wouldn’t let her daughter near Bill. Like, fine, but don’t advertise it. What’s with these politicians and their kids?
After that Russert repeated it and made himself look like an a**!
She did? WTF
If McCain comes up with a strong female running mate, Obama is toast for sure.
yup….
If Mcain did so…who? and more importantly why?
Who might be Sarah Palin, and why would be because she’s a badass. It does sound like she might have her hands full currently though.
You all sound a lot like we (Rs) do, there is a TON of housecleaning necessary on both sides. There is truly an entrenched, elitist, entitled class that just needs to go. And there are others (on both sides, with whom I may agree or disagree) that are in DC for the right reasons: to do what they’ve said they will do.
For me, it’s guys like Coburn and Shadegg (man I love the Enumerated Powers Act!), but I know you all have yours to.
Whether we agree or disagree on policy, any solution leading to cleaning out the dirtbags on both sides is a win-win. So good luck, and wish us luck as well
Keep up the good work.
I bow my head in reverence: Tim, Pray for us. Pray for us and please if you will, have intercourse for us as we are being led astray in the absense of your presence. We wil get through this election, no matter what. Have mercy on us. O, did you know that Mika has been on vacation and Mrs. Greenspan is trying very hard while she away. Please send a leg chill to Chris so he can have a sign. PUMA will make difference.
We’ll make it Good Buddy.and maybe Mika will have an excellent when she comes back. oops gotta run, where’s my lip gloss?
a whopping 5 months… seriously, Larry?
Looks like you didn’t read the whole article.
When Obama goes to Iran what would he say to Amadinajad who has already said puplicly that he favors the destruction of Israel? Huh huh please don’t blow up Israel. Obama would become the first american Chamberland, who said he had Hitler’s word on Poland. ya we all know how that worked out.
Worked out fine if you consider that it only took 8 years and 50 million deaths to stop Hitler. And he didn’t have nukes, though he tried like hell to get them. Now, think if you try to appease Amadinajad, who has ballistic missles and is working real hard on uranium enrichment, once he has fissile material, Iran is a nuclear power with ballistic missles, sure thing barky, go have a chat with him, it will do wonders.
Nevile Chamberlin.
When do you highlight John McCain’s endless lies, flipflops and dissembling? Or is it only Obama’s flaws that fascinate you? This site is a sorry joke.
Maybe when McCain claims to be a new kind of politician and tells us if we believe and hope he can change Washington.
Dumbass response. Supporting the Reps. has never taken brains and you have proved that.
And you’re for sure in the place. lol
“And you’re for sure in the RIGHT^ place.” lol
McCain has shown the superior judgment to win the Iraq war for America when everyone was fatigued and was prepared to cut and run.
I’m glad that we’re in Iraq and now have two countriesIsrael and Iraq who are uniquely allied with the United States in a region where World Resource Wars can take place.
Our position in Iraq keeps a check on Iranian Hegemony.
Our position in Iraq protects the Gulf States for free flow of oil to the Western World.
Our position in Iraq is leading to a free and democratic Iraq which is pro America.
Our position in Iraq prevents outside interference from countries such as Russia and China.
Our position in Iraq is destroying Alqueda ability to take control of a sovereign country
Our position in Iraq shows other dictatorships that America has balls and will protect the western worlds vital interests.
Thank you John McCain for showing us Leadership and not listening to opinion polls.
Glad you enjoyed your response, because it makes no sense whatsoever to a sober person. WHAT?
lmao Grail!
Fist Bumps!
Felice: Stop the hate!
Hate? HA!
Any honest review of this site shows a level of irrational hatred for Barack Obama that is undeniable. That you freakos continually make the case that McCain would be better for this country than Obama proves the absolute ugliness and bitterness of your characters.
And the source of your disgusting and racist venom is pathetically transparent.
HILLARY LOST FAIR AND SQUARE! Hillary DESERVED to lose. She EARNED it. Get used to it!
That the Clintons will not be in the WH again is a reason for celebration!!
Felice please calm down and STOP the HATE!
That barfy will not reside in the white house either is a reason for a fiesta.
Did you lose 10,000 barfy bucks for relating that he does indeed have flaws?
to quote the king of the bots
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!
and yet the obamabot can do no more than tear down Hillary and not offer the merest speck of substance of why anyone should support Obama. AN ad hominem attack against those who believe McCain would be better if not Hillary without any argument to the contrary is not proof of ugliness and bitterness.
Don’t you just love how the fascist Obamabots simply cannot BEAR the thought that not one hundred percent of Democrats are madly in love with Obama? They MUST seek out web blogs that criticize The One and dump on the people who have the GALL not to bow before His shrine.
Give us a fricking break, you douche. There’s a little something called Freedom of Speech, maybe you heard about it between naps at Community College. No one here gives a flying shit that you don’t like our attitude, and no one asked you to rate our responses to your rants. So please, just kiss off.
And the race card!!!!
unoriginal
anytime “you people” get resistance to your futility, you pull that shit out.
Guess what sweetie?
Your leader is unqualified
he is unworthy
he is vain and weak
he is a charlatan
he is also part african
big deal
resisting an unqualified, lying, sexist piece of shit doesn’t make one a racist.
supporting him because he’s part black does make you a racist.
calling those who question his qualifications, character, abilities, associations and background: racists, makes you a simple fool and unworthy of our further attention.
report back to barfy.com for your treatment.
People at this site are patriots who vote Country before Party.
I want you to answer a question
Why did Obama and his supporters wish for defeat in Iraq?
Why Felice?
Payback sucks, doesn’t it?
Betcha bucks you really sat on HuffPo and thought that gang was the center of the universe.
And it just never occurred to you that there’d be backlash.
Backlash is always stronger than the initial, btw.
You’re right about that Ann…I think it has something to do with physics mixed with justice!
Felice’s checklist of hate:
Clintons? *check*
McCain? *check*
This web site? *check*
But you never made a case FOR Obama. That’s what fascinates me about his followers, you only have nasty things to say about the opponent. Never anything good to say about Obama.
Oh, you’ll come back with something NOW. But you guys never, ever start with the positive about BO. Interesting.
hmm.. is that a rhetorical question street parade, cuz I know you know the answer:
THERE IS NOTHING POSITIVE ABOUT HIM!!
oh, wait..Nancy Pelosi said he’s “fresh”
Fresh can be so many things. Did he grab her butt? Did he use deodorant for once?
Hmmm, who has proven what? I think if I were you I’d watch who I called dumb ass!
And yet another troll comes in to tell us we should be focusing on McCain and that this site is a joke blah blah blah.
1. Go blow yourself, no one asked your advice.
2. If this site is a joke, feel free to move on. Sorry we failed to live up to your standards.
Obama Auchi Pelosi et. al. will flip on Iraq in a minute.
The tempation to profiteer in Iraq is too great, and Obama’s supporters have long been deeply involved.
For example, allow me to introduce you to Nadhmi Auchi.
Part of Evelyn Pringle’s response to Auchi’s lawyer’s threatening letter:
If I get any more reports that you are trying to sabatoge my relationships with publications, I will contact the US attorney, Patrick Fitzgerald and the US Department of Justice to seek legal advice on how to put a stop to your illegal conduct.
I will be forwarding a copy of this email to all of the sites that publish my work.
If Mr Auchi was allowed in this country, I would be the one filing a law suit against him.
Truly,
Evelyn Pringle
http://preview.tinyurl.com/6lxgu9
You are right Rezko didn’t have the sense to stay away from Auchi and Obama didn’t have the sense to stay away from Rezko.
I miss Evelyn these days. I wish her well and hope she is having a peaceful, happy and relaxing summer.
I found my “courage” through her.
This bot has obviously malfunctioned.
She has stated that dear leader has flaws.
The dear leader is perfection.
Hope and change is perfection.
You are malfunctioning.
Report to bot headquarters for disassembly.
I think that was de-funded after June’s poor fundraising. They’re malfunctioning all over the place…
lomfao
I sent a penny
the fact that I’m willing to waste 42 cents to send one cent should deliver a message
This site isn’t about a love fest for McCain. He is the vehicle by which we elect Hillary in 2012. Got it?
well feel free to leave then.
felice — John McCain has had 20 years in the Senate. Obama has had 20 minutes. We know where McCain stands on the important issues because he has principles. Tell us where Obama stands on the issues. Bet you can’t cause he doesn’t know himself.
If Obama was a TV Series he would have been cancelled. He is about as iritating as nails on a blackboard. How about one day a week when we don’t have to look at that ugly face and that arrogant persona?
How about the old gong show. His uhmmm speeches nad trying to be cool should fit right in.
Or whats my line. Everyone would have to guess what his stand on issues was at any given moment.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
Felice has been fleeced. How’s that fe lice?
Who let the dogs out?
I wasn’t aware of McCain’s “endless lies.” Dissembling seems like a big word for you, too. I wouldn’t think the man who admitted he knows little about economics would be guilty of that. Then what are flip flops in comparison to Obama’s numerous lies about policy throughout this campaign which also encompasses the entirety of his national career? OK, get back to me on that, sweetie.
General David Petraeus meeting could herald Barack Obama U-turn on Iraq
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4322521.ece
It’s simple. He’s a real phoney.
Jerusalem thrown under the bus
Is he doing repeats for the summer now? He already threw the Jews under the bus weeks ago…
The networks won’t do any original programming in July, will they?
Wiggle, wiggle, slither, slither. Maybe if Obama were to be our president he and Ahmadinejad could double talk each other to death!
Naw it’s all in syndication mate!
Are those shrimp on your barbie?
Strange but in 2004 he didn`t think we had to withdraw troops.
APRIL 5 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFrFIFizkU&eurl=http://obamawtf.blogspot.com/2008/07/obama-war-position-3-troops-out-is.html
He was against it, before he was for it, before he was against it again?
Thems the roolz
Triple Axel. Maybe he should try out for the Olympic Flip Flop Team
lmao
lmao!
Holy Bat guano!!
This guy has every base covered.
-no artificial time line
-9 month time line for withdrawal of ground troops
-16 month time line for withdrawal of troops
- 16 month time line with the caveat of intervention till the end of time.
Attention: We have many “O PUMA’S” Obama PUMA’S joining PUMA so we want everybody to welcome them in. These Americans beleive in the constitution and FISA was as far as they were willing to go for Obama. WeLCOME ALL O PUMA’S
Should we really welcome the little bastards who smeared Hillary and called us racists?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ro3TATqG8
Donna Brazile says “highly unlikely Hillary will be on nominating ballot at the convention” today on George S’s
ABC talk show.
Now we know. No intention of giving her any respect.
This is too much. Although I have become resigned that Obama will be the nominee, I hope every Clinton delegate gets up and walks out if they do not give her the respect that every MAN has gotten previously, including Dean, by being placed on the first ballot. What will it matter if they walk out anyway, if Obama is the only one you can vote for? Welcome to Amerika 2008??
Forgot to mention – just because I am sure Obama will be the nominee, doesn’t mean I’m voting for him.
I hope Donna is preparing for the blitzkrieg .
Ah so the DNC lied to bloggers yesterday when they called.
Not surprised.
john — these people have no respect for anybody. They have taken over the Democratic Party and they are drunk with power. I hope McCain wins in a landslide.
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/trudy_rubin/20080713_Worldview__Iraq_a_tricky_issue_for_Obama.htmlust an FYI
This is what we are being taught in Philadelphia today, Sunday 7/13/08, the Inquirer
Learn and discern, going forward that is…
I have trouble with comprehension so can someone verify that 100,000 Iraquis are on the USA payroll, just for one thing while we now prepare to downsize.
Huhn, Come again?
Actually, this is a good article to know where we are and where we are headed come November, just a few short months from now.
It is a great going forward lesson. Now those with ears, small and somwhat large or giantic like you know whose…Listen up.
No preconditions, necessary? Obviously. This author refers to the subject of the topic as McBama, now that’s a good sign for MSM.
“If you had been following the Tony Rezko corruption trial, several names are mentioned over and over. Obama, Stuart Levine and Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich are mentioned in the same sentence as Rezko and Chicago and Illinois corruption. Governor Blagojevich has not been indicted yet but many believe his indictment is probable. ”
This should be fun to watch , really . Gonna be a blast. Nothing the people of the Appalachia like more than a good story and this is gonna be a doosey. This tale will have it all , drugs, gay sex parties, political corruption at all levels of power, Middle Eastern(Syrian billionaires, Ayers house meeting) support of a presidential candidate, domestic terrorist connections, Clown car with Wright, Pflegar, Moss, Meeks, Farrakhan, NOI all piling out.
well, donkey brazile aunt jemimah can just fix obummer some pancakes instead of waffles in the whitehouse. she applied for the job of breakfast cook for the obamas. she has to be one of the biggest racists ever.
Flap-Jack Barak?
Read the friggin link. The quote is a description of legislation Obama proposed in the beginning of 2007. He has been trying to get the withdrawal started since then. That specific plan is not a campaign promise of what he would do if elected, it is proposed legislation in January of 2007. It explicitly says start withdrawing troops “now”. Which was then.
By his logic, in November of 2009, Larry can go back to this link and say Obama is proposing to withdraw all the troops in one month.
Why do I even bother?
barfy “proposed” legislation?
omg
will he vote present, or change his hopeful position?
wait for it
I was going to answer your query but then I thought why even bother.
Don’t you wish Ted’s parents would have said that one cold night 18 years ago?
That’s when a pullout should have happened.
It wasn’t a query. It was a rhetorical question.
Then why did you comment when tampagirl asked the same rhetorical question Ted?
There you go, stalking me again. Anyway, it seems your reading comprehension is failing you. I did not respond to her question; I simply pointed out that she miscategorized mine. Hope that answers you question.
It’s troll safari baby. One of my favorite things in life. All it requires is a troll. In contrast stalking you would require you to matter. And Ted the whole point of a rhetorical question is not expecting an answer. Tampa girl didn’t give you and answer so she certainly stayed with in the bounds of your expectation. But…ROFLMAO you felt the need to beat the dead horse…Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Dude, I don’t think you are stalking me. That was in response to the insane comment that I was stalking you, even though it is you that first responds to me.
As for the rhetorical question, you are missing the point here. I was not responding to her question. I was pointing out that there was a flaw in her categorization of my comment. This categorization occurred before she asked her question.
Think of it this way. If I said “WC is a silly girl, why do I even bother responding to her?” you would be well within your rights to correct my mistake concerning your gender. And by doing so, in n way would you be responding to my rhetorical question. Now that’s all I have on this subject. Feel free to rebut, but let’s let it go after that. (And please try and lose the ha has. You can be better than that.)
ah so when you said There you go, stalking me again. you didn’t mean it? LOL TED that’s why I don’t take you seriously when you say things like..
Wildchild, you have demonstrated you are not intellectually honest enough (”northern Ireland”) to debate with.
and Ted I’m not missing anything. Tampa girl didn’t respond to your question. The giveaway was when she said, “I was going to answer your query but then I thought why even bother.”
LOL so that’s pretty cut and dry Ted. your rhetorical question maintained it’s intended status. It didn’t require any elaboration on your part at all. Unless of course, you felt like beating the dead horse.
No, I was just joking when I said you were stalking me. The whle concept of stalking in comments is a bit absurd. I’ll try to be more careful in the future so i don’t mislead you.
And please, please stop with the question line. You have just introduced a strawman by saying she did not respond to my question. Nobody said she did respond to my question. All I said was she mischarectorized it by calling it a query. It was not intended as a query, but rather as a rhetorical question.
(and just fyi, the possesive form of “it” is “its” not “it’s”. “It’s” is the contraction of “it is”.)
What’s really funny Ted is that Strawberry was also joking when she said you were stalking me. LOL man you should have heard yourself get all self righteous.
and Ted why would I want to stop with the question line? It’s a riot watching you beat the dead horse. LMAO you are such a loon.
OK, when you persist at something, it is you beating the dead horse. Just for clarity.
Persistence isn’t what beating the dead horse is Ted. It’s persisting on the irrelevant. You love skipping down the magical path of irrelevancy.
Ted, I believe your statement displayed mental reservation and doubt,that is indeed a query.
Well, you are certainly free to believe what you wish, but as the author of the question, I have a pretty good idea what I was intending, and I was intending it to be a rhetorical question.
Yes, why do you? Shoo, bug-off, scram pissant!
And his excuse at the Nevada debate is?
What happens in Vegas stays on Vegas.
LMFAO WildChild!
OK, We understand the Nevada debate was in January of 08. And Obama said he had put forward a plan to get the troops out by the end of ‘09. That’s 24 months. He did not say he would start after the election and get them out by end of ‘09. He has never said that, and I actually think you (not most here, but you) are aware of this.
This discussion was in the context of “what can we do now”. Hillary had the excellent idea of legislation to prevent Bush from locking up the situation before he leaves office. Obama said yes, that’s a good idea, and I have a plan to get the troops out by end of ‘09. Hillary did not mean that her legislation would be passed after she took office (which would obviously make no sense) so why make the jump that Obama was talking about after the election? Clearly they were both talking about what should be done right then, in January of ‘08.
When you are running for president and you say you have a plan to get the troops out by the end of 09″, we’re going to take you at your word that you have a plan to get the troops out by the end of 09″. Just like when you tell us you oppose telecom immunity we take you at your word that you opposes telecom immunity. Ted all you are telling us is that BOBO isn’t a man of his word. LOL but we’ve already figured that one out so you’re too late.
Wildchild, you have demonstrated you are not intellectually honest enough (”northern Ireland”) to debate with. I have learned my lesson and certainly will not make any serious attempts at discussion with you, especially when a concept as complex as the passage of time is involved.
Ted the guy came back the next day and posted he wasn’t talking about the IRA fight back in the 20’s. LOL and that was my argument all along you doofus Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
No, my friend. That’s not it. You were unwilling to accept/unable to understand what country Northern Ireland is part of and hence what country (Ireland or UK) the IRA was fighting in during the 70’s. It was obvious to everyone what the other guy meant, and that he had his geography wrong. But I let him slide on the technicality that he did not explicitly state what period of history he was referencing. So if he came back and stated he meant that the IRA was fighting in Ireland and not Northern Ireland in the 70’s, then all he did was admit he was wrong.
But your last post with the “ha ha ha” is an excellent way to demonstrate your maturity. So you have that working for you.
I know what country northern Ireland is a part of Ted. That’s why it was so funny that you used that line of questioning to escape from the box your crushed yourself into. Ha Ha Ha Ha.
Reading is Fundamental:Rodney Allen Rippy
Still can’t bring yourself to capitalize that N though can you. How sad.
I just think it’s funny that it matters to you Ted. LOL For some reason you attach some cosmic significance to it when there’s only one northern Ireland in the world. Ha Ha Ha Ha too funny.
Hey, whatever you need to do to live with yourself on this one is fine.
LMAO Ted get a hold of yourself. You lost the argument, and no amount of chasing the little pink elephant is going to win it for you.
You let him slide? Damn big of ya.
Thanks.
No, it wasn’t clear to me or millions of other people, or even the media because they’re asking the same questions.
Wasn’t clear to million of people? And you are in a position to know how millions of people perceived that debate? Heck, even Larry realized his mistake, because he has now removed the first part of the video where the time frame of the statement was established. Tricky, but not tricky enough.
And he is, again putting up the video that he (or whoever wrote the original post here using it, I’m not sure it was him) falsely claimed was a recent interview, only to be busted on it. That video is years old. The fact that Obama did not think it was time to immediately start withdrawing the troops shortly after the start of the war seems reasonable to me. Then, years later, as the war drags on and on, and the majority of the world wants us out, he stays OK, we have to start now. This is perfectly reasonable and in fact responsible thinking. And Larry knows it. And he distorts the video by pretending it is recent to fool his followers. And it works. Sad.
Wow, that was long winded and wrong. But hey, if you need to tell yourself that to help you sleep better at night be my guest. You Obama trolls bashed Hillary as the warmonger and said over and over that barky ‘would end the war’, that’s what you sold all those stupid college students on who were afraid of being drafted. Barky doesn’t have either the military knowledge or the grapes to end the war. The military would rather roll the dice with McCain than Barky. Those two blunders regarding bombing Pakistan and Arabic spoken in Afghanistan scared the shit out of us. He’s Bush all over again.
once Ted started to say reasonable and responsible he crossed into fringe end of BOBOland.
This guy is obsessed with you, WC. You’ve got yourself a cyberstalker. Congrats. You’re in the big leagues now!
thank you… thank you very much. OMG Ted has to be one of the dumbest BOBOweenies that posts here. He will fly off onto the wildest tangents you can imagine and then try to pass them off as core argument. It’s hilarious
Of course if you look, you will see my comment here was the original one and then WC came along and responded to me, but sure, I’m stalking him. Facts, nah, we make it up as we go along.
You’re not stalking me Ted. You’re beating a dead horse.
And if you look further down, same thing. I comment responding to someone and WC drops in one of his childish comments. In response to me. But I’m stalking him. Sure.
(In case you don’t know this, you can use to bring up a find dialog and use it to find someone’s comments. Very handy. If you search on mine, you will see that in each case, WC initiated the discussion with me. If there i a stalker here, it would have to be him.
Ted, it’s ok. LOL you’re not stalking me. You’re doing your usual…beating a dead horse.
Why the hell would I want to look up an Obamabot’s comment? It’s bad enough we have to scroll through your tripe in real time. Don’t tell me…you look up your own comments to see if anyone responded to them…now THAT is sad.
Of course I look up my comments. How else would I be able to respond? These threads get deep and sometimes there are several ones going at once. On blogs where there is a lot more debate and a lot less immature commenting (like the one you just made) conversations can go on for a long time. I guess by your comment, you don’t go back and check yours, so, that would imply you never have more than one comment in specific thread. Oh wait. You do. So you do see who has responded to you and you then respond to them. Just like everyone here. But it’s sad that I do it. Silly you.
Ted you should take a peak at the blog The Intellectual Conservative. They’re all about decorum and looking down their nose at people who disagree with them too. LOL you’d fit in well there.
Ted, You really need to grow up. You sound like a child on a rant.
tampagurl. I have read some of the foul-mouthed comments you have made here. I’d say you, more than most, have little room to criticise others comments. I generally don’t call people names, other than silly, and my comments are pretty respectable – my kids or parents could read them and I would not be embarrassed. I don’t use derogatory names for the politicians I disagree with. I admit it when I am proved wrong. And I don’t claim Obama is anywhere near perfect.
So, relative to the other commenters here, just what is it about my comments that you find childish?
Ted you don’t admit it when you are proved wrong, you keep chasing the little pink elephant.
Ted, I don’t know what you consider foul mouthed but I’d bet if you were to ask the regulars here they would disagree with you. You seem particularly angry. I would seek help if I were you.
Thanks for your concern, but, no, I’m not particularly angry. I get frustrated by lack of meningful debate, but I remind myself I mainly come here for fun. Serious debate occurs at other blogs.
OK, maybe it wasn’t you I read saying some pretty nasty things about people who you didn’t agree with. Could have sworn it was, but I could be wrong.
I imagine it’s hard to get a good debate when you ask rhetorical questions.
That would put a damper on the dialog wouldn’t it
A bit off point, yes? Keep in mind that the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group (remember them?) gave as one of their recommendations that, subject to changes on the ground, all combat troops could be withdrawn from Iraq by early 2008.
And the Obama interview with Chicago Tonight was from 2004. The war started at the third week of March, 2003.
Everyone refines their position as the years go by. At least thinking people do. Consider Hillary:
“Three years ago, during an appearance on CBS, Sen. Hillary Clinton stated that she agreed with the overarching premise of John McCain’s Iraq policy: that America’s commitment to the war shouldn’t be based on time frames but rather on the level of troop casualties. She even cited, as McCain now regularly does, that the United States would be well suited to follow a model for troop presence based on South Korea, Japan, or Germany.
“Senator McCain made the point earlier today, which I agree with, and that is, it’s not so much a question of time when it comes to American military presence for the average American; I include myself in this. But it is a question of casualties,” said Clinton. “We don’t want to see our young men and women dying and suffering these grievous injuries that so many of them have. We’ve been in South Korea for 50-plus years. We’ve been in Europe for 50-plus. We’re still in Okinawa with respect to protection there coming out of World War II.”
Sam Stein, on HuffPo. May 5, 2008
Ted wouldn’t it be better to quote BOBO when trying to defend BOBO? You’re killing his whole change we can believe in argument when you keep hiding his actions behind those politicians and politics of the past that he claims to be moving us away from.
In general yes. But here I am simply pointing out that Hillary significantly changed her opinion on troop levels. Time goes on. Situations change. Sometimes it’s a reasonable thing to do. But the folks here areobsessed with every little nuance that does not match up over time. All the while ignoring that Hillary and McCain do the same thing. For me, if all the candidates do it, it really can’t be used to degrade one candidate relative to others. But that is notthe point here. the point here (at NQ) is to degrade Obama in any way possible. And the funny part is half the commenters will go one way “he is a liberal marxist” while the other half say he is just like Bush. It’s bizarre at times.
Ted you’re doing it again. Your destroying BOBO’s argument that he is change we can believe in. Every time you point that BOBO is no different then anybody he is running against, it’s you who is degrading BOBO. Plus you turn every BOBOweenie into a flaming hypocrite for opposing Hillary as the VP because she is counter to his message of change. LOL by your own admission he no better than she is. You assholes have been coming here complaining about how we won’t support your BOBO when you had it within your power from June forth on to unite the whole democratic party by forming one Obama/Clinton ticket. But instead you got on your high horse and told us that Hillary was unacceptable because she was old school and BOBO was the new way and that wouldn’t work. Now you BOBOweenies argue the opposite. I’m definitely voting McCain. Even if BOBO puts Hillary on the ticket now it would just be to save his sorry ass. LOL and I don’t want some sorry ass sitting in the oval office.
Dude, I have no dillusions that Obama is anything other than a politician. Sam as Hillary, same as McCain. And yes, if he puts her on the ticket, the sole, singular reason will be because he thinks it will increase his chance of winning. And the only reason she will accept is because she will think it will increase her chance of winning in ‘16 – or maybe even ‘12 if Obama loses.
But this should not be news. Any adult would understand this.
Ted, you just affirmed that BOBOs base isn’t adult. There in no reason why we should support any candidate was advanced by children.
that was advanced
I have a simple question for you Ted
Why did Obama wish for defeat in Iraq?
Why did he not get up and clap the success of the surge at the state of the union?
Looks like you and Obama are between Iraq and a hard place.
McCain showed true Leadership!
McCain has won the Iraq war through
The McCain Surge!
When everyone was calling for defeat and retreat, McCain remained steadfast against universal objection and authorized the surge which prevented America from being defeated ,broken and beaten in the eyes of the world.
Because of McCain and his leadership Iraq will be democracy uniquely allied with the United states and Israel against the threats from Iran and act as protectors of Western Civilizations interests in the world.
So Ted..
Why has Obama not visited Iraq for 900 days?
The war is won for America.
Thank you John McCain!!!
Obama wished beyond hope that America would fail so that he could be president
That is shameful Obama!!!!
OK. I’ll ignore where you claim to know what Obama hopes for. That is just silly, childish crap. But you actually do have some good points in your comment.
You say the surge has suceeded? Do you recall the objective of the surge? To create a dpace so the Iraq government and military could begin to take over. If you claim it has suceeded, then that would mean it is time to get the troops out, yes? So let’s get the troops out. That’s what I want.
As for the surge itself, are you sure it was an increase in troops that reduced the violence, and not the tens of millions of dollars we are now paying the nsurgents to not fight? Once those payments stop, will the violence come back? I don’t know the answer to the question.
Of, and McCain supportd the surge, but you overstate it a bit when you say he authorized it. He aint presidnt yet.
Oh, and in case you are a Hillary supporter, she was a critic of the surge too.
On MSNBC today, David Axelrod said that Barack Obama “never disputed the fact that if you throw a surge of American soldiers in an area that you can make a difference.”
Oh really? Here’s what Obama said on January 14, 2007: “We can send 15,000 more troops, 20,000 more troops, 30,000 more troops: I don’t know any expert on the region or any military officer that I’ve spoken to privately that believes that that is going to make a substantial difference on the situation on the ground.”
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/05/axelrod_misrepresents_obamas_p.asp
Good comment. Shows a clear disparity between what Obama said and what Axlerod said.
I just love it when they lie Ted. It warms my heart to know that Pastor Wright was right about BOBO. LMAO He says what he has to.
I think Ted has a hard time facing the truth.
No, I said it is a clear mistake on Axlerod’s part. To tell you the truth, I have grown to really dislike Axlerod and Wolfson and the rest of those guys running the campaigns. I think they ll did their candidates much more harm than good. We should have a rule for the next election. No surrogates. only the candidates are allowed to speak to the press.
This is what you said Ted..
Good comment. Shows a clear disparity between what Obama said and what Axlerod said.
you made no judgement at all on what either BOBO or axelrod said. You’re becoming more of a weasel as this evening progresses Ted
I don’t undertand. A while ago, Obama said one thing. Later, Axlerod said he did not say it. Clearly Axlerod was wrong.
Dude, I really have to stop. I’m too tired to thinki straight, so all these threads are going to have to end for me.
I know you don’t understand Ted. You like your BOBO don’t say what you mean. Then you both play dumb when called on the contradiction.
If Axelrod was wrong then I’m sure BOBO will come out publicly and say so. Other wise we might have to think that Axelrod was willfully deceiving the public in a way that gave BOBO plausible deniability. Make sure you give us the heads up when BOBO does that Ted. LOL and we won’t be holding while we wait.
Ted, Is it possible for you to respond regarding an Obama or Axelrod error/lie without alluding to someone other than those at issue?
Reading back over your posts, I find that using second or third parties as reference, or deference, in defending Obama seems to be SOP. However, you are not alone in doing so. It also seems to be SOP for all associated with Obama.
As to surrogates, given Obama’s constant changing of positions and statements, I cannot help but wonder who is the surrogate? Is it Obama or Axelrod? I find it very hard to believe that Obama does all of this flipping because of sudden realizations on his part. I believe he is told to do so by others.
Additionally, I do not think he would do such great damage to his image re “new politics” were he not ordered to do so. I think his image is important to him.
One further note. A couple of comments back you accuse a poster of basically trying to know Obama’s thoughts. I agree that is not possible, on several levels, including the aspect that perhaps Obama does not know what he thinks, or more accurately what he believes.
I point out your decrying someone thinking they could know Obama’s thoughts as a contrast to your’s and other Obama supporters’ certainty regarding “how Hillary would have voted on FISA, had she still been a candidate”. You claimed to know her mind!
You and your counterparts stated repeatedly, with certainty, “what Hillary would have done”, while ignoring the fact that she “did eaxactly what she had promised to do”!
It rather seems that you want discussions, and rules of discussion, to apply only to others. Perhaps you would not come off sounding so hypocritical if you applied your desired standards to yourself, rather than chastising others.
Just a Thought, Yours is a rather bizarre comment. You take me to task for making third party references, and then go on and on about what I and/or other supporters say. Pick a side and stick with it. It’s more convincing.
Did I claim to know Hillary’s mind on her FISA vote? I don’t recall that comment.
My comment re “others not at issue” pertained to Hillary and McCain. Not supporters.
Axelrod and Obama were the ones “at issue” in the thread. Sorry, must have thought you might understand the terminology, and the very direct inference. My mistake.
You and others, in trying to defend Obama or Axelrod, constantly resort to the “well..Hillary or well..McCain did so and so” style of arguing.
Such allusions do not address the question of “what did Obama, or Axelrod, do or say”. They merely serve as obfuscation.
“My side” remains constant. I would never try to defend or excuse Hillary Clinton, or John McCain for that matter, by using a “well..Obama did so and so” diatribe.
One is either right or wrong based on his or her personal actions. The correctness, or lack thereof, regarding the actions of another do not mitigate such.
Christ, let’s try and focus here Bunky. We’re talking about Barky…Not McCain, not Hillary. He sold everyone on a bill of goods that he was the one and only candidate with superior judgment because of some dumbass speech. He sold everyone on the left that he was anti war. Trolls for months came out and badgered us here and at other left wing blogs that he was going to end the war in Iraq. He lied. He can’t and he won’t. You and your troll friends lied. You can’t fool us, we were on the receiving end of being called warmongers for supporting Hillary and her plan which Barky has now stolen. Spin it anyway you want to whomever you want, you and he are liars. FYI, this spinning shit is costing barky more votes everyday. It may work with conservative minds but not with true liberals. John Dean wrote a great book about that a while back.
I don’t understand this. He still insists he will pull the troops out as soon as he is president. He sponsored legislation to do it back in ‘07, but it didn’t get anywhere.
The fact that he has said he will talk to the military and adjust tactics based on their input is a good thing. As president, he will have more access to info, and of course the specifics on the ground will be somewhat different from last year or even today, so the exact plan will depend on those specifics. And if we had an adult population of voters, he could say that. But he can’t, because folks like you will go off about “oh he is flip flopping and lying and changing his mind and he won’t end the war.”
The guy is against the war, always has been. The people of the US and the rest of the world are against the war. Why in god’s name would he all of a sudden decide he is in favor of the war? I know it feels good to say that, but it just doesn’t have any foundation in reality.
so Ted when you said upthread…
K, We understand the Nevada debate was in January of 08. And Obama said he had put forward a plan to get the troops out by the end of ‘09. That’s 24 months. He did not say he would start after the election and get them out by end of ‘09.…
what you really ment to say was…
I don’t understand this. He still insists he will pull the troops out as soon as he is president. He sponsored legislation to do it back in ‘07, but it didn’t get anywhere.
or perhaps there’s a third thing you like to say… or maybe a forth?
No, this is important, so i will explain it to you again. On certain things, like health care, a candidate need only establish what his plan will be after he takes office. But when people are dying in Iraq, a politician who is against the war will typically have a two-pronged approach. He will introduce legislation to start ending the war now (in this case, “now” was January ‘07) and he will also make a campaign pledge as to what he will do when he is president. As Senator, all he can do is try and force the prez’s hand with legislation. Once pres8dent, he can initiate the drawdown himself.
Where the confusion on this topic has been introduced is when the the immediate plans are mixed up with the campaign pledge. It’s all right there on Obama’s web site. He clearly described the legislation with the “end of next year” which was actually the end of 2008, not 2009. Then, later, in Nevada, he ws talking about starting then and finishing by end of 2009. Now, as no troop withdrawals have begun, he is mainly talking in terms of starting at beginning of his term, and having troops out in 16 months from then.
I might have used McCains gas tax holiday as another example. When he said a summer holiday, he meant this summer (before he is elected). Because if he only presented the idea in terms of after he is elected, he looks like he is willing to wait a year to do something he things would be good now.
Now I have written this comment gainst my better judgement, because it requires a bit of logical thinking and you have not demonstarted you are willing to do that, but, here it is. This is my final comment though. I’m an east coast insomniac, but it is getting late even for me.
Thats wonderful Ted. Except there is no logic in you contradicting yourself when you say that He did not say he would start after the election and get them out by end of ‘09.… and then later say He still insists he will pull the troops out as soon as he is president.
There’s this pesky little thing called keeping your story straight. You can throw all the bullshit you want to at me in the form of “other examples” but you can’t hide the fact that you are making it up as you go along. LOL and the funniest thing Ted is that you’re so full of shit that you can’t remember the things you said prior so as to avoid contradicting yourself.
I agree with McCain, too, on Iraq and don’t overreact to his flip comment about 100 years. I thought that was a cheap shot for liberals to continue to use that as a fear tool.
I’m always embarassed when Democrats sound worse than Republicans about fear stuff. *blech*
The fact is that Obama scares the willies of military people, with good reason. He is far, far too inexperienced to be commander in chief.
His remarks about Iran ring in our ears today. Small country?
His remarks about Pakistan made the world blink.
His plan to electioneer in Germany have earned him a smackdown by the chancellor.
He’s ruffled Europe’s feathers with his mid-east non-informed-policy to where they are speaking out.
Biden had to correct his stance publicly about Iraq.
That should be plenty to convince you that there is a problem here, Houston. Obama is not qualified.
I’ll take McCain any day over this guy. I’d like to see a stronger plan to withdraw. I want McCain to assure the country that we’ll not make this mistake again with Iran. But I’ll still take his military background over Obama’s any day of the week.
We had a candidate who was better than McCain, but she lost.
So Dems are stuck now with a neophyte who will scare us all constantly with his missteps.
So I say: Just SAY NO DEAL!
I think they have started paying them by the word. They are becoming very tedious.
Well Ted, why was the media questioning Obama’s time line last week, they were calling him a flip flopper. That’s where I get the millions of people. Is everyone wrong but you?
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I don’t know why you bother. so go away.
Obama is the epitome of Affirmative Action and Entitlement gone wrong. Many liberals support affirmative action to some point. But where should it stop? Liberal guilt from the most base limousine liberals (those middle/high income liberals that ride around the city trying to figure out ways to help all those poor people – or as the Chinese say, “Riding on horseback to view flowers”) has gotten Obama this far. How great it was to have an African American candidate. But like many times, when these grandiose social plans actually start to impact them they yell, “Not in my backyard.”
Now it seems many liberals are saying, yes I still support affirmative action but not this person. Just like many people say, I support affirmative action, but I don’t want this person to be my boss.
So what can these limousine liberals do now? Tough to call all the Clinton supporters racists because they did not support Obama and now not support him themselves. What a mess this Democratic Party has become.
Greg — Latte Liberals have never elected a President and I doubt they will this time. The left is as bad as the right — they never accomplish anything, they are too busy deciding what our Supreme Court will look like to worry about jobs and foreclosures. The left and the right should get together and form one party so that the rest of us in the middle can get things done.
The minute Obama nominated himself, he changed his timeline to 16 months, and that was Hillary’s number, if I recall. Hillary tried to be realistic in that Nevada debate. I remember. She tried to talk about not having information that Bush has now and how that could change matters. Obama’s tactic was to paint her as the warmonger, and he lied to people about Iraq.
Yes, I remember entirely.
He turned the primary into a game, a strategy only. There was no reality.
Samanta spilled the beans abroad, essentially saying the same as his staff said about NAFTA: Nobody expects him to withdraw based upon what he says in the campaign.
That’s the most dangerous aspect of Obama to date. He has signalled that politicians can say whatever and then change their mind and not even try to live up to their word. That’s very dangerous for voters in a Democracy. We have only their campaign words to go on.
It’s true that nobody can deliver on everything. There are other factors, most of which are beyond presidential powers. However, we need to know the direction.
I know Bush’s direction before he was elected. I knew his thinking. I was never surprised. And I haven’t seen him waver. He said exactly who he was, like it or not. I was just sorry we elected him.
But Obama? We don’t know his direction, we can’t rely on his words now that we know he considers that to be a distracting game, and we have no clue as to what we’re getting ourselves into.
McCain is, frankly, like Bush. I don’t agree with him on some major points, but I do know what to expect.
One thing that has changed significantly even were Hillary the candidate is the economy. I can’t see universal health care being pushed right now as it appears we’re in for major economic bad news that will take some real discipline to weather as a nation. That’s not the atmosphere for progressive health care plans that require a lot of money. Even Krugman said her plan was more costly than she fully admitted. Obama’s plan is way out there. It is a bad idea now. Oddly enough, no change such as McCain is offering (tax credit only) is probably the smarter way to go.
McCain is on track regarding spending. Just don’t. Not now.
Do you honestly believe that McCain has not changed his positio on virtually every major policy issue over the last five years? Abortion, taxes, energy, environment, Social Security. He has been pretty steady on Iraq, except for how long he plans on keeping the troops there. Becasue, as he himself said, “that does not matter”.
I can certainly see why folks would be displeased with Obama, but McCain is so far removed from HRC on all the issues, I can’t undertsand how someone who supported Hillary on the issues would move to McCain.
You assume a lot.
Not a very convincing explanation. But perhaps a telling one.
It tells us… you assume a lot
Which issues? Nothing he says can be beleived, and it fairly obvious you only have cursory knowledge of McCain. For example raed yesterdays NYT’s on his tax phlosphy. I is straight out of the T.R. playbook calling for tax stability above all, and tax cuts where possible, provided subsequent cuts in outlays. On drilling off-shore, his previous concern was the potential eco-impact of hurricanes in the gulf. After Andrews and Katrina determined that evidence provided that risk minimal.
It is one thing to change in the face of evidence, it quite another to do so by the politicals winds or expedience.
or the month of june…
though June is a big fishing month. Lots of flip flopping going on.
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anninca — I am supporting McCain even though I don’t agree with him on most things. To try to balance the budget right now would be insane when the government needs to put more money into the system not less. Its fine to talk about tax cuts and Universal Healthcare but what Americans need are jobs. The government should be investing in the people. This country is on the ropes — McCain will understand what needs to be done when he gets in — Obama doesn’t give a shit. He feels nothing except his need for more and more adulation and power.
That’s OK by me. I’m in a Blue State that is not likely to tighten up enough to put me on the spot.
Heck, I could write in Hillary if I want.
But I haven’t decided who gets my vote yet.
BREAKING NEWS FROM OBAMABOT.COM!!!
THE BOT FELICE HAS UNDERGONE SUCCESSFUL REPROGAMMING TO EDIT THE PROGRAMMING FLAW THAT ALLOWED HER TO STATE THAT DEAR LEADER HAD “FLAWS”.
THE REPROGRAMMING WAS AN UNQUALIFIED SUCCESSS
WE HOPED THAT FELICE WILL HAVE CHANGED
FELICE STOPPED FUNCTIONING AT 1805 HOURS
HER SPARE SERVOS WILL GO TO OTHER AILING BOTS
Merriam-Webster Online defines “REFINE” as:
1) to free (as metal, sugar, or oil) from impurities or unwanted material.
I guess Backtrack OBamadrama is saying he’ll continue to remove “unwanted material” i.e., campaign promises/commitments from his bag of tricks.
It’s all good…he’s just refining.
UHGHGHGHGHG!
Donna Brazile thinks Hillary won’t be on the nominating ballot?! Does Donna also believe that all the polar ice caps have gone to dwell in hell?
Donna: It’s going to be a long hot summer. Prepare, Obot princess, to defend your worthless butt!
Do we really need another 1968 convention to get through to these arsewipes?
They (Brazile, Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Obama) will have no one to blame but themselves! When this charade goes south, who will listen to them then?
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Here’s yet another example of DNC stupidity. Apparently, Donna is in charge of countering PUMA.
Are they nuts? She fires us up!
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69294
Oh, lordie. She gotta come up with something other than that tired ol’ line: stop the hate.
Oh, that’s right, her new line is “you’re a republican”. That woman is in serious denial. I guess the only way she can close her eyes at night is to think PUMAS are all republicans voting against her BO. Why the hate, Donna? Because you, stinky BO, Dean, Pelosi and the party crapped on our Democracy and played us for fools.
First off, I will work my rear end off to see Claire McCaskill defeated in 2012. Second, she knows that the troops cannot just be moved out in such a short time frame. Third, she also knows that Obama is lying and she is going along with him, because Claire Mccaskill is as big a LIAR and an EMPTY SUIT as Mr. Obama is.
Smiley Claire has turned into a bobblehead. Bring me her 2012 opponent, and I get out my checkbook.
Leave Iraq without a strong, stable government and within a 6 month period you will have Iran moving in and taking over, then you will have a nuclear armed mid-east superpower looking at Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Quatar, thinking “why the fuck not”?, and within a two year timeframe, a bunch of fucking mullahs sit on nearly half the world’s oil supply. I’m not saying that the current idiot in chief doesn’t have a BIG part to play in this nightmare scenario, but the mere idea of barfy trying to deal with this makes me wince. Hope and Change your way through this one. Kiss mid-east peace bye-bye, say hola to nuclear war in the holy land and god save us all. Face it, boys and girls, GWB fucked this one up, big-time, and BO isn’t the one to hope or change this scenario for the better. It HAS to be someone with some experience and fortitude in foreign relations and at playing hardball, that would be either Senator Clinton or McCain. Not BO, he doesn’t possess the grapes.
I think Bush is about to pull the rug out from under the Dems. He’ll initiate withdrwal.
Sort of have to laugh at that one.
Then what will Obama campaign on?
Bi-lingual education?
I was thinking about that today too. haha. I’ve never been an Obama supporter so I may be biased, but I keep wondering why the heck did Obama vote YES on FISA? It had the majority of YES votes to pass already, so why didn’t he vote NO like Hillary did? It’s like he went against everything he stated and promised to give it a YES when he could of just as easily said NO. That one baffles me. I am a Republican and I am AGAINST the FISA bill…that makes Obama to the right of me!
Because he wants to use it against his “enemies”. He’s as paranoid as bush.
All lot of this is academic. As per military protocol all equipment must go thru complete PMCS(preventive maintenance care and service)prior to being redeployed to either the “front” or to the “rear”. Read that as every peice of equip is torn down and rebuilt before shipping out, considering the vast amount of equip. over there, 2yrs at the minimum if we started right now.
Recognizing the physical limitations of logistics, the point to be made is that publications like Der Spiegel in Germany and The Guardian in the UK, both know for their anti-Bush and even anti-American rants and far leftist bias in everything they publish, are now printing articles about rosy scenarios in Baghdad. Even the NY Times chimes in that stability has come to Iraq quicker than predicted and that Bush is contemplating a faster drawdown of troops than originally planned.
Big difference in “drawdown” and “leaving or getting out”. Drawing-down means concentrating forces in areas where we think they can be protected and their presence still matter. “Leaving/Getting out” is a whole other story.
To say that we would or will “leave” is assuming the insurgents “allow us to leave”. Should they choose to mount attacks en masse as we left, leaving becomes more hell than we have seen so far.
Getting out is logistically alot harder than getting in. I never see any real discussion of such. I hear, and participate in, such personally, but never see discussions in the media or on blogs.
Do we leave from Taji, Baghdad, southern areas, through Kurdistan? All of those, some?
How do we cover our asses as we leave, Taji has the only perimeter that could come close to securing continued aircraft departures, and even it would require massing large numbers of troops from other areas.
How do we get troops and equipment to staging areas? Who covers for who? Cannot depend solely on Iraqi troops for cover, they could theoretically become as big a hazzard as insurgent elements.
I have merely haphazzardly touched on some issues here. “Getting out” is far more nuanced and complicated than I can write in a comment, even if I were a better “writer”.
Howerver, it boils down to the fact that unless we are “allowed to leave”, all corridors could become shooting galleries, we would have to leave much, if not the majority of, equipment behind, and again face the question of “who is the last to leave and how do they get out”?
I would love to see Obama address such issues on his web-site or in the media, and I would also like to hear such addressed by his “advisors” and supporters.
As things stand, his or his supporters talk of “getting us out of Iraq” is just so much BS, time-table or no time-table! When he and/or his supporters start talking about “the how”, I will believe they are serious, and not just blowing their usual smoke.
I watched McCaskill and Fiorini on the Sunday circuit this morning. McCaskill was lame in her answers. Carly Fiorini is a McCain power house. She’s intelligent, on the mark and personable.
In comparison, McCaskill was slipping and sliding all over the place [like her candidate]. She wouldn’t look at Fiorini during the discussion and frankly, she didn’t even sound as if she believed what she was saying.
You either talk from the heart and off the cuff or you hem and haw, trying to remember the talking points off a script.
Guess which approach is more effective?
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Good to hear. I like the way McCain is using her as a surrogate.
Good to hear. I like the way McCain is using her as a surrogate.
I have heard Carly speak many times during her CEO days with HP. She’s very smart, and knows her stuff. In a lot of ways, I think she is like Hillary. You can’t trip her up with bs questions…she’s sharp as a whip. Poor poor McCaskill…Carly is out of her league. You’re right, a script is a bitch when there’s no teleprompter in sight.
B.O. lies a lot. Here’s another recent example:
“Obama overstates his role on immigration
ANALYSIS | But McCain deserves credit for going out on a limb to forge bipartisan deal
July 12, 2008Recommend (9)
BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist”
http://tinyurl.com/63f5ab
Tom Hayden is absolutely frothing at the mouth that the Iraqui government has joined with Bush to demand time tables and over Bush’s plan to start withdrawal.
It’s so dang funny.
McCain will have a great month here if this keeps up.
The unfortunate thing is that Jodie Evans and all the CodePinkos will still vote for this fauxgressive.
Favorite part of the tape is Hillary shaking her head, clearly thinking “no, you idiot, no – what are you saying” while listening to Obama speak…too funny.
Kind of reminds me of how hysterical (really LOL!) the “cut” of McCain is in this short “Keep the Change” video of Obama – if you haven’t seen it – here’s the link – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL802U2PdgM
Yes, McBama will flip flop his time lines and ideas, to coincide with his Iraq visit crash course, and serve us the Happy Meal when he gets it all together.
Ofcourse there’s going to be substantial troop withdrawal from Iraq, how else can we have the build up Mullen wants in Afghanistan? The build up the Dems have been clammoring for for yrs.
I just saw this written over on the messiah’s site by one of the culties:
“I want Obama to be the next POTUS but…sometimes I think he is TOO GOOD for the ignorant people of the UNITED States!! He Michelle and the girls deserve so much more.”
And I have to say in a sense I agree. We really DON’T deserve someone like Obama.
I’m in favor of exporting him to any of the various countries like Britain, Germany, China, France, Iran who have professed undying love for him and apparently claim as much as 70% of the populace would vote for him if they could. I wanna put that to the test. It’s easy to worship from afar, lemme see them get a close up look at him and STILL feel that way.
Besides, Obama’s gunning for “King of Everything” so let him begin his conquest someplace else.
I was trying to give him away last week to some chick in Canada. She thought he was so wonderful for the United States until I told her about NAFTA. Well I only told her the part where he was against it, I didn’t mention his recent flip flop.
Kenya is still open
Eventually the shorts (short sellers) are gonna get tired of loosin’ money in oil futures…when they give up, oil most likely will run up to $200 a barrel. Does anyone think the economy can absorb that for long, running concurrently with the financials in the tank? While we’re runnin’ around doing nation building the Chinese are picking up pipe line contracts around the world.
I argued into the wee hours Friday night about the need to drill.
Or we could get a brain as a nation and build monorails across the country like other efficient European outlets.
Anyone who thinks we should drill in Alaska is not aware of the facts surrounding the outcome of such a ridiculous drilling site.
Forget Alaska, even though the Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is for it. How about offshore drilling?
There is infinitely more oil in the OCS than in ANWR. Alaska’s North Slope is dry, and that’s why Governor Palin wants to open up the federal wildlife preserve. Of course, it would destroy a land set aside by Eisenhower and possibly drive a couple species to extinction, and it may not yield much of anything. Then we still have that problem of our excessive consumption.
I totally agree. Saw this on the travel channel a few years ago. Europe has high speed rail and I believe Japan does also. They are efficient, run on magnet rails which also produces energy for the train. This would also be good socialization for us.
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Need a little OT break to make you laugh?
Big Brother 10 premiered tonight and take a look at the profile of This Guy
So far watching the characters on live feed – he’s the most arrogant unlikable person in the house (imo).
Gotta check out his brief bio!!
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Someone posted above about Claire’s daughter getting her to vote for Obama – I posted on this on my blog awhile back listing all those off the top of my head who admitted the same thing:
Claire -
Maria Shriver-
Caroyln Kennedy-
As for Kerry’s daughters, I’ve never heard that one – I really liked his 2 girls on the campaign trail (when he was running). I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if this were the case but I’d be disappointed.. I thought his daughters were much more inisightful than that!
Here’s the real whitey
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LJ: “Maybe there is another possibility–Barack does not know what the hell he believes.”
I’ve been wondering about it for months. (When I’ve called myself “we,” it’s been a joke).
Jeez, “we” have had our differences with Hillary but she plainly understands that there’s something complicated to be understood. Not just glib glides unto the next promotion.
What makes Austan Goolsbee or Samantha Power or Paul Volker or Cornel West so sure that they know Obama’s actual positions? Is Obama Sybok or something?
Here’s a neat phrase I saw: “Messiah Ex Chicago Machina.” I offer it as my excuse for this comment.
The Whitey tape has dropped!!
You guys thought that Larry Johnson was a big fat old lying cocksucker–but he’s not (at least about the liar part). Here’s the real whitey tape.
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Jesus, just do the world a favour and come out already. We know that you think Larry is a hottie and that you want him for your very own, but like he told you in all those e-mails, he’s straight and he doesn’t want to hurt your feelings. So please move on.
BOBO on the other hand….has a limo
Whity tape
The whitey tape is out and it’s outrageous!!!
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I just want to ask this … IS THERE ANY WAY TO STOP THE OBAMANATION from getting the Nomination in Denver?
McCain has his new ad up, but after it plays you have to wait a second to see his old war footage, and an interview. You can’t click on go to johnmccain.com. You just have to be patient and it will start playing. If you haven’t seen it, it’s work looking at.
http://www.johnmccain.com/videolanding/love.htm
anybody here? I have something to say about how we need to get uninformed voters, usually people who don’t know about the 200 online organizations and the anger brewing over the stolen primary, INFORMED.
There is a huge 4 day conference with O. and McC. trying to get the Hispanic vote. Can we get somebody here on the ground to interview attendees who in addition to immigration, are also p.o.ed about the primary????
Hispanic organizations and voters are going under the bus next. Read Navarrette’s article in realclearpolitics.com
i agree…
i speak spanish and my mom is a translator…
what about a spanish language website?
or an ad or two in spanish?
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
excellent idea
And relating to the Obama’s newfound affair with the papparazi:
How about we just let CHINA be the world power and let the French president and his wife and the Obamas be celebrities, huh?
Hey, does O. want to WORK at all????
AnninCa, do you have a link to the Tom Hayden story?
elize…..it was on Huffington Post. They took it down fast, actually, which surprised me. It’s now in the list of past articles there. Should be close to the top.
It was truly funny. He is accusing the Iraqui government of conspiring with Bush.
gerard, Thanks for your ideas! If you notice from Ruben Navarrette, the NEXT group to go under the bus will be Hispanics!
Off topic – anyone see this? http://www.youtube.com/demconvention
Howard Dean started a contest: “Tell me why you’re a Democrat in 2008″
I wish I had the equipment to make a video telling him why I am NOT happy with the DNC and why I WILL NOT vote for BO!!
Anyone able to make a video? The deadline is August 1. Videos must be 2 minutes or less. Obviously a PUMA video won’t “win”
, but if they have to wade through a few hundred PUMA submissions, maybe they will sit up and take notice! AND videos can still go viral on Youtube!
i would start the video with the original reasons why you are a dem and then at the very end say you left the dem party on the date of the rules and bylaws comittee hearing…
heh heh…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I love the idea of suckering them in to watching the first minute, then when they are relaxed – ZAP! PUMA STRIKE! hehhehe
There is a new video by geek love on the sugar and spice blog called I’m looking thru you that is very good.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
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Dean is just trying to sift for demographics that O. hasn’t pandered to yet. I guess Dean doesn’t have enough to do!
LAM, But that’s what WE do to them isn’t it? They are just too revolting to listen to…[click] I’d suspect they’d be saving the videos for the Surveillance archives!
Hey – I’m a PUMA – I’m sure I’m on somebody’s list already
Ha – I’m not that interesting – if they are tapping my phone, some poor much is sick of hearing about what color I am going to paint my patio chairs
Alert! PUMAS being insulted here: http://tinyurl.com/64gmek
Please take a moment to go comment and mention any of the multitude of reasons why millions who are NOT Republicans are coalescing against BO’s candidacy.
thanks, I put in my 2 cents worth.
Presidential candidate Barack Obama addressed the nation’s largest Latino civil rights group here Sunday, but the appearance before the National Council of La Raza raised questions about whether the Democrat – who declined a town hall appearance here with GOP rival John McCain – is too shielded from off-the-cuff grilling from voters and the press.
Obama, greeted with cheers and a standing ovation by 2,000 at the powerhouse convention, used the platform to unveil what he called a new proposal for a health care tax credit for small businesses, “an idea championed by my friend, Hillary Clinton,” his former Democratic rival who had won the support of millions of Latinos.
Underscoring his common values with Latinos – education, faith, family and community – Obama also embraced the ideas reflected in the organization’s name, La Raza, loosely translated as “the people,” which he said means “we all have a stake in each other; that I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper, and we rise and fall together as one people.”
Obama told them he is “not taking a single Latino vote for granted,” adding, “I know how powerful this community is – and by the way, so does John McCain.”
But in making the La Raza appearance, Obama rejected McCain’s challenge for a joint town hall appearance before the organization, which gathered 15,000 people in San Diego this weekend – and represented the capstone of a week in which both candidates addressed Latino issues in several major venues across the country.
Obama delivered his 30-minute remarks Sunday without accepting questions from the audience, or later from the state and local media – a contrast with the Arizona senator, who has generally held a town hall meeting weekly as part of his campaign events, and whose “Straight Talk Express” bus rides with reporters have been a hallmark of his campaign.
- Baracktrack the coward again runs away from americans and their questions… you would think a candidate for president would welcome a chance to speak to the people and get his message across and answer their questions? Not Baracktrack…
what a coward…
of course Mccain happily answered questions and even proposed a town hall meeting at this event…
Baracktrack is off to Germany now for his rally…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
oops, here is the link to the article in the sfgate:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/13/MNVR11OJEI.DTL
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
torch lit parade to the gate?
Larry – keep placing this as the lead article as often as necessary until it begins to sink in and is picked up by the MSM.
Anybody else see Obama’s personal spread in the NYT op-ed this morning?
Gag.
I found his response to 9/11…it wasn’t what I would call very empathetic towards the victims and family of 9/11. He talks about when we go to war we need to be careful about the civilian population. You nned to wonder whether Obama was ever really against the war!
Larry — I’d like to see you keep your post about Obamas Iraq Flip Flops Front and Center.
It’s real critical especially now that Obama is trying to claim that the current situation in Iraq confirms the stance and policy he always had.
I’d like to see more about the very unpopular stand McCain took in pushing for the troop surge, which placed his campaign in jeopardy.
I was also against the surge. I could not trust Bush, nor his Defense Dept and Joint Chiefs. But GOD BLESS McCain for his insight and sticking with the advice of the Generals on the ground.
If not for McCain and the surge, we would not be talking about reducing troop levels due to success. Without the surge, the Obama’s troop withdrawal would be a FAILURE and SURRENDER.