“Crowd erupts during Obama speech–but it’s over mention of Clinton”
By SusanUnPC on July 14, 2008 at 3:21 PM in Barack Obama, Electability, Hillary Clinton, Immigration Reform, John McCain
Barack Obama spoke “(in English) to the National Council of La Raza in San Diego,” reports the Los Angeles Times blog, Top of the Ticket. Obama rattled off some policy proposals:
It was then that the crowd erupted in enthusiastic applause and warm cheers. But not over Obama’s policy proposal.
What ignited that outburst was the mere mention by Obama of the name Hillary Clinton, his vanquished party opponent.
She wasn’t there, of course. But in absentia the Democratic Party’s loser got a noticeably warmer response than the winner, perhaps a reflection of that lingering party unity thing that was taken care of up in Unity.
We trust that Denver delegates and superdelegates are taking note that the passionate support for Hillary Clinton remains as robust and heartfelt as always, and that Mr. Obama does not enjoy the same kind of support.
Perhaps Obama’s failure to DO his job in the U.S. Senate is one of the reasons.
From Katmandu2’s “Obama Pads His Resume on Immigration“:
The bottom line is this: Obama has not been truthful about his accomplishments on immigration legislation. The piece opens with a clout:
WASHINGTON — No matter if you are—or are not — voting for presumptive GOP nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Az.), he deserves credit for trying to forge a bipartisan deal on immigration in 2005 and 2006 at great personal political risk, a situation unfamiliar to rival Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.)
The importance of the piece is that it calls into question Obama’s veracity:
In the meantime, Obama on the campaign trail inflates his leadership role — casting himself as someone who could figure out how to get something done. Obama “did not absolutely stand out in any way,’’ said Margaret Sands Orchowski, the author of “Immigration and the American Dream: Battling the Political Hype and Hysteria,” and a close follower of the legislation.
Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), a McCain ally and a key player on immigration, said Obama was around for only a “handful” of meetings and helped destroy a 2007 compromise when he voted for making guest worker visa programs temporary. A permanent guest worker program was to be a trade for a legalization program to cover many illegal immigrants.
“When it came time to putting that bill together, he was more of a problem than he was a help. And when it came time to try to get the bill passed, he, in my opinion, broke the agreement we had. He was in the photo op, but he could not execute the hard part of the deal,” Graham said,” Graham said.
It’s worrisome enough that Barack Obama has served such a short time in the U.S. Senate.
It’s deeply troubling that, in that short time, he did not DO THE WORK or LIVE UP TO HIS WORD.
When we criticize Mr. Obama, we often say that he is nothing more than a “typical politician.”
However, even “typical politicians” — at least the focused, smart politicians — understand that they have to SHOW UP and FOLLOW THROUGH in order to develop the trust and credibility necessary to build those vital relationships essential to realizing big ambitions.
How could a President Obama hope to work “across the aisle” as president if he didn’t even bother to do so as a junior senator?
(Release: November 13)
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I’m suprised that the bootjack thugs didn’t throw them all out and smash any cameras and recording equipment. How dare anyone not bow down and kiss his ring! LOL!
I think you may be getting your campaigns confused…
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_9811687
McCain 2008!!!
Didn’t McCain throw that librarian out for having a sign that says McCain=Bush?
BTW, I can’t think of a single incident where that happened at an Obama event.
Where is the outrage?
Obama’s campaign only throws out Muslim women who want to sit where they might end up on camera.
Or Asian or black people…”More white people!”
Yes, the ultimate insult for a Republican candidate apparently- “you’re just like the guy we wanted as leader of the free world for 8 years.”
Apparently you missed it when he yelled at this elderly woman in Iowa. Many people were very upset. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty6krf18huA
Wow, that was good. Thanks BeeBop. I wish we had more Democratic politicians that got upset about the fear-mongering and dis-information coming out of the right.
Agreed- the hide, cower, and/or vote for anything they throw at you for fear of reprisal from the “true patriots” was getting old.
Unfortunately, it seems Barack backtracked a bit (ok- a lot) with his vote on FISA.
Bush is slang for pubic hair. The sign could be read McCain=Pubic Hair. Therefore offensive to young children. Had it said John McCain=George Bush…
Obviously you couldn’t think of anything inteeligent to say.
You can’t throw someone out who has a contrary sign if you never let them in, in the first place believe.
Guess you didn’t watch all the Unity videos. I did.
It was definitely more than one person not allowed to enter.
Nice try spreading that disinformation. Doesn’t always work, though, does it?
Every time Obama visited my state during the primaries, it was an “invited guests only” event. Every time Hillary and Bill were here, it was free and open to the public.
Same in my area , invite only, closed to the public.
Invitations only
Just Like Bush.
I wandered over to an Obambi event in Harrisburg, Pa just to take a look. It was open to all, until about 30 minutes before show time, when they stopped letting people in. In Wilmington, NC he had an event where they screened people. It didn’t look as bad as Bush though. Hillary gave a fantastic speech to a packed crowd by the river in Wilmington,NC the day before Obambi’s. I was jazzed for a day after that one. I wonder what it would take to get her out and making some speeches again?
ditto my area
And what state do you live in may I ask? Please forgive me for doubting you in advance.
You didn’t see the non-campaign, campaign event he attended in Florida? Invitation only …. do you people ever get your information from any source other than each other? Don’t you get a little craz …. oh, sorry, my bad!
No, but I did attend the free, open-to-the-public event he held in State College, PA- so forgive me for doubting your 3rd person recollections.
Then we are free to doubt your 3rd person recollections.
Absolutely- which is why I asked what state the original poster was referring to. I would be very interested to find there was a state in our country in which Obama did not have a single open-to-the-public event.
Please enlighten me.
hmm…I’m thinking here…must of been one of the 57….ummm the one with the great lakes? I don’t know…so many choices.
He HAS to have closed events in Florida. They want his head on a plate for deliberately blocking their revote. And denying it is useless at this point.
LOL!! If Obama had any sense, he’d stay the hell out of Florida and Michigan.
North Carolina.
“Every time Obama visited my state during the primaries, it was an “invited guests only” event.”
I think I can help with this one-
now I apologize in advance, the ‘blacks’ in the audience may not qualify as humans to some of the ’symphony-going’ members of this blog- but tickets for this event were available for free on the Obama webpage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuFiplLrSAI&feature=related
Should I find some more? Or am I gonna get the “well that was only one event” response?
I’m going to let your race-baiting remark pass, because I don’t know what you’re talking about. He only had two events in my area of the state, and both the Raleigh News & Observer and Fayetteville Observer reported that they were “for invited guests” and said nothing at all about obtaining free tickets from his website. Obama only had a handful of personal appearances in N.C. My guess is that he knew he didn’t have to try too hard to win here. BTW, the events for Hillary, Bill and Chelsea didn’t require tickets—FREE or otherwise.
I don’t understand your point. You’re saying “invitation only” doesn’t count if it’s a euphemism for “blacks.”
The point was that no matter how much you bitch and complain, this statement:
“Every time Obama visited my state during the primaries, it was an “invited guests only” event.”
is blatantly false. I think it’s even funnier that he’s now being attacked because too many people show up to his events and they’re forced to hand out free tickets.
This doesn’t sound very free and open to the public to me. It sounds like an Obama-supporters only event, because that’s the only people who would see it on his website.
While the original poster did make a generalization, which is what you obviously object to, she was probably talking about it being advertised in advance as free and open to the public.
At any rate, you’re getting your panties in a twist over something that isn’t going to break Obama’s campaign. He’s doing a good enough job of that all by himself.
and AZ was by call invite
She was a retired reporter, part time librarian, who was protesting on rented, city-owned property. You may contest whether or not rented city-owned property is or is not open to the public but McCain did not throw her out.
She was asked to get rid of the sign or join the other protesters in the area set up for that purpose. She refused to toss the sign and was asked to leave.
The whole thing seems staged in the first place. That’s why she is referred to as a librarian and not a retired reporter. No one likes reporters… She was there with a group called ProgressNowAction.
And the event was open to everyone, supporters and opponents alike.
Obama removes Muslim women from his events. And they did not carry signs.
Outrage? We encourage anyone who helps to defeat the Pig.
There was a women kicked out of the Unity Rally for having a sign that said just say no deal. Search youtube for garychapelhill. Where is the outrage blech??
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U-asLIZEdnQ
We can go back and forth on shit like this forever. People get kicked out of campaign events- what is your point.
Oh, wait. Obama was supposed to be different. Wasn’t that the point of the dozen comments you’ve left on this thread?
No more derailings. No more changing the subject. We will not let you get away with it any longer. No more blaming others. No more excuses.
OWN YOUR SHITTY CANDIDATE!
That’s because we don’t act like fucking children and crash campaigns with handmade signs accusing our opponents of what is tantamount to war crimes they didn’t commit. If you’re going to scream in the middle of a presidential candidate’s speech and act like the “don’t taze me bro” jackass, then you should be hosed down and wrapped in a straightjacket like the goddamn bedlamite you are, librarian or not. Use your right to protest where you’re not pissing off a bunch of people who came to ask questions of a candidate before they vote.
“That’s because we don’t act like fucking children”
That’s right- you just have a strange fascination with talking about sticking things in others’ asses…very adult-like.
Maybe your children stick things in their ass. If that’s the case, you should have a talk with them and maybe try a shrink. Junior high will be rough… But it’s nice to see you enjoy the symphony after all.
Interesting- there it is again- but now involving children. You guys get stranger and stranger…really can’t help yourself can you?
You started it. Would yours be a rhetorical question then?
You Obama people are the very definition of borderline personality disorder.
In Unity he tried to move Dem PUMAs to ‘free speech’ zones.
If you were at the first UNITY event in Unity N.H. you would have witnessed first hand the Obama peoples’ treatment of the Hillary supporters.
Anyone with a pro Hillary sign was told that they could NOT bring them into the event. Obama’s crew was handing out the signs that they wanted exposed for their STAGED event. I saw at least a dozen Hillary supporters harrased and or escorted out of the event. The local police were very professional and did not try and push the Hillary people around. The police told us that Obama rented the school site were the event took place , so yes , he could dictate who and what would be allowed at the event. But as long as we were not on the school property then we could display and say whatever we wanted. Obama people wanted us to be escorted about a 1/2 mile away to voice are protest. Police said no way ! N.H. Live free or Die !!!
No I actually didn’t.
They didn’t throw them out because barky the Alienator is running out of voting blocks.
Gotta love Latinos and Native Americans. They know a sack of crap when they see it.
He fears her. With good reason.
She should never be his VP.
He would make her life hell.
She’s a little busy now. At the moment, she’s fighting to repeal the ban on HIV Positive people traveling over seas to the China Olympics.
This is why I love and admire this great woman.
She’s always fighting for the “people”.
Yep I read about her latest work too. Hillary is a real politician in the sense that she rolls up her sleeves and gets to work. Opps, I hop I didnt scare any bots out there by using that four letter word….w-o-r-k.
Chuckle
Their four-letter word is Hope. I’d vote for hers any day.
Obama wouldn’t do that kind of work. There aren’t any votes in it. He wouldn’t even join the call for the Games boycott because he wants Chicago 2016. What’s some dead bodies when he can get the games in 2016. He is true slime.
love her, absolutely love her, we are lucky to have her, work work work
our wonky goddess
HILLARY WILL BE POTUS
Take a look at the New Yorker cover here:
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gVwEDDjom_4jut79Rwt0BGaKv92w
What exactly are we to be looking at?
Art.
Perfectly fit for this thread- no?
What would you know about art? You Obamazoids’ idea of art is a bunch of guys with their pants hanging exposing their cracks rapping “Mothafucka”.
I dont expect to run into any of you at the symphony.
shh…your bigotry is showing.
As for the symphony- you’re right. I’d much rather be at a Dylan concert than around a bunch of stuffed-up snobs like yourself listening to that crap.
Honey … puhlez … which Dylan would that be … and I have seen more white ham than not … or is that the bigotry you were talking about?
Pretty stuck on you aren’t ya’?
That would be Bob- was in town last summer when he was on tour- great show- highly recommend.
Unless you prefer the sumphony…
As for the “Honey” comment- could have sworn I saw posters here going hogwild over Obama’s “sweetie” remark.
Personally, I could care less, just waiting for the screeches of misogyny.
Ahhh ’screeches’ there you go again
I thought hog wild was funny. Doesn’t Atlanta at least have a symphony? Georgia seems angry about that.
Heh. I always thought Dylan was a pretentious snob. He and Neal Young were always making comments about how music ceased to be relevant when they were no longer fashionable. They both write songs that sound better when performed by other people. Dylan can’t play the harmonica or the guitar well. He can’t sing worth a damn. He has no roots in folk tradition, either. He co-opted the music of the working class whites, so that he could pander to self-important, egotistical, holier than thou assholes of the left, people who prefer talking about “hope” and “change” instead of doing anything to bring it about. Limousine liberals. Wine wankers. Urban hippies. They are soulless pretenders like Bob Dylan himself.
Here he is. I don’t know if Bob Dylan’s trying to be Prince or Johnny Cash in this underwear commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq7W7icd-Fc
Sounds to me like you’re more a “symphony” kind of person…
In fact, I worked in the production office of a baroque opera company in NYC for two years and still attend the theatre, opera, ballet and symphony regularly. But once, I wore a tee shirt to the off ice that read, “Fuck my gaping hole,” and my boss thought it was a riot. She’s one of the wealthiest women in Manhattan.
I like Bob Dylan just fine, you(?) I have doubts about. What’s wrong with symphony music anyway? What other kind of music don’t you like? Personally, I don’t like rap. The rhythm is good, but the words are too offensive and violent. I’ve heard a lot of obamatrots like it. Do you like rap? I expect you do because I expect you have no problem with sexism and being offensive. Are all of you the same because I would swear you have been here before. Maybe you just changed your name? If so, would you mind changing it back? I have a grandaughter named Georgia and your use of that name offends me.
yawn. bring out the class war as a surrogate for race.
“Limousine liberals. Wine wankers. Urban hippies.”
Perfect descriptions of the “elite” radical left!
…symphony goers?
I like the symphony and Metallica too, why dont you drop this waste of bandwidth?
tell us why we should vote for Uhhbama or particularly why he cannot consolidate the party (his job now that he crowned himself -his apparent nominee status)
I’ll call it artistic TRUTH
The bought and paid for cowardly media refuse to vet the guy at all. They haven’t spent one minute air time going over his credentials - ever.
At Obama’s fundraiser the other night, Bernie Mac made denigrating comments calling women “hos” and complained his wife is frigid since she is going through menopause.
When both men and women complained and said these were sexist and immature comments, Obama supporters said these were only jokes and to “lighten up.”
Obama supporters: take your own advice on the New Yorker cover-”lighten up.”
It’s only “satire”-Obama supporters, where’s your sense of humor now?
Yes..they need to stop whining…isn’t that what they said to us when Hillary was trashed day in and day out?
When they whine (like after the ABC Gibson/Stephanopoulos debate), it’s defending their Messiah…yeah, right…
Sorry, Backtrackobots, you’re gonna have to live with the fact that your candidate is not respected, nor liked. That would be Hillary. And come November, should the Superdelegates never come out of their kool-aid induced coma/fear, if the Messiah is the Democratic candidate, God help the Democrats. There will be yet another four years of a Republican president, and it will be all Pelosi, Dean and Brazile’s FAULT.
I’m thinking that Bernie needs to reconsider his wife’s “menopause” frigidity. I suggest that this clever woman has just hit upon a good reason to “just say no!”
LOL!!
What we are looking at is Obama sticking it up your ass.
What a refined lady you are. Project much?
“Projection” is what you get from a liberal arts education. You pay a lot of money to find another way of saying, “I’m rubber. You’re glue.” Since Uppity’s comment got such a rise out of you, I’m gonna guess you’ve gotten drunk and taken it up the pooper.
Haha nah- projection is what you get when you put a bunch of hateful bigots with a chip on their shoulder together in an anonymous blog- a whole lot of talk of putting things in others’ asses (go ahead, count em’ up).
It’s really quite sad how pathetic your entire lot has become.
I missed the part where my comments veered into bigotry. It looks like I learned more in liberal arts school than you did.
like we care that you are sad? roflmao.
no- let me guess- you learned that language at the ’symphony.’
What do have against the symphony? I’m sorry, but you’re not making any sense.
Is he trying to make me like Obama? Obama voted for that abomination of wage bustin’ “comprehensive” “reform” but he wasn’t as bad as Lindsay Graham and McCain? Any third party that came out against the Bush “comprehensive reform” could sweep this year’s race.
Another thing I hate about Barfy. He always says he is going to figure it out. Well Hillary doesn’t need to figure it out. She has it all figured out BOBO. So step aside and let the nominee be Hillary if you love this country sooooooooo nuch!
What ignited that outburst was the mere mention by Obama of the name Hillary Clinton, his vanquished party opponent.
Muy Bueno!
Can you imagine what would have happened if she had shown up in person/? Now we know the real reason he won’t allow Hillary her place in the convention.
Goodness yes. Talk about overshadowing.
She’s giving a major prime time speech at the convention. Haven’t you heard?
Oh good her acceptance speech for POTUS…Oblahma finally realized he was in way over his head.
’scuse me? Donna Brazille said No! She is banning Democracy again like she did on May 31st with stopping Fl & MI from ‘counting AND she is keeping Hillary’s name off the ballot!
Can you imagine keeping the first women to ever to reach the convention honors, who won the popular vote be kept off of the first ballot at the convention? This is not democratic. This is why many will vote McCain to preserve our Democracy.
Well there ya go. That fixes everything.
After weeks of arduous negotiations, on April 6, 2006, a bipartisan group of senators burst out of the “President’s Room,” just off the Senate chamber, with a deal on new immigration policy.
As the half-dozen senators — including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) — headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: “Hey, guys, can I come along?” And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate — a list that included himself.
“I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who’ve actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out,” he said.
To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them.
[...]
Immigration is a case in point for Obama, but not the only one. In 2007, after the first comprehensive immigration bill had died, the senators were back at it, and again, Obama was notably absent, staffers and senators said.
At one meeting, three key negotiators recalled, he entered late and raised a number of questions about the bill’s employment verification system. Kennedy and Specter both rebuked him, saying that the issue had already been resolved and that he was coming late to the discussion. Kennedy dressed him down, according to witnesses, and Obama left shortly thereafter.
“Senator Obama came in late, brought up issues that had been hashed and rehashed,” Specter recalled. “He didn’t stay long.”
Just this week, as the financial markets were roiling in the wake of the Bear Stearns collapse, Obama made another claim that was greeted with disbelief in some corners of Capitol Hill.
On March 13, Dodd, the chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, unveiled legislative proposals to allow the Federal Housing Administration to guarantee new loans from banks willing to help homeowners in or approaching foreclosure. Obama and Clinton were in Washington for a day-long round of budget voting, but neither appeared at the housing news conference.
Yet Obama on Monday appeared to seek top billing on Dodd’s proposal.
“At this moment, we must come together and act to address the housing crisis that set this downturn in motion and continues to eat away at the public’s confidence in the market,” Obama said. “We should pass the legislation I put forward with my colleague Chris Dodd to create meaningful incentives for lenders to buy or refinance existing mortgages so that Americans facing foreclosure can keep their homes.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706_pf.html
And then we have McCain - who has disavowed his own bill!!
He’s thrown his own bill under the bus, along with Phil Gramm.
Where is the outrage?
McCain is not our candidate….you threw our candidate under the bus for the candidate of hope (sniff) and change (sniff)….have the heavens opened up yet?
Do you not read or not have comprehension skills? The crap that was added made the bill one that he could not support. Too bad Obama doesn’t have the same morality when it comes to FISA, NAFTA or any of the other policies he claimed to have supported to differentiate himself from HRC only to disavow them once he “Alice Palmered” her … really, the man is a pig.
didn’t you post the exact same thing on the other article?
Yes he did.
Yeah, I remember this. Obama’s been stealing credit longer than he’s been wearing shoes.
It’s a wonder he didn’t claim to be his own father.
HAHAHA. He rather did, since he claims to be Christ Almighty, God Himself and The Spirit. Of course, BLT is right up there with the Flying Spaghetti Monster and Scientology.
Wasn’t he born in a manger?
He is a blithering idiot with his hand out collecting the checks for his own bank account.
He doesn’t care about his followers or about the rest of us Americans much less the AA’s. Thanks Oprah!
He has no idea what he is saying or doing!
Someone stop him NOW!
RRRRRROFL! WHat an A Hole.
Latinos Love Hillary!
Hillary loves Latinos. You can see it in her face when she is in a Latino crowd. She loves Mexican food too. Hillary ahs a plan to raise Mexico up so there will be a better life for them.
As a Hispanic voter, Hillary is still my first choice, because to me she’s the most qualified and knowledgeable in the issues of all candidates.
If somehow Mr. 0 gets nominated in Denver, I will vote for Nader-Gonzalez, because then ‘it is a historical opportunity’ for a Hispanic to be Vice-President, and anyone not voting that way must be a GD racist, as I recently learned.
I guess Mr. 0 supporters fully understand. No?
Any vote for Nader, Barr or Mckinney is a vote for Obama. So think it through before you pull the lever. A vote for McCain is the only one that can beat obama. A protest vote for Nader may put Obama in the Oval office.
My candidate is Hillary. If the Messiah is the Democratic nominee, I will vote for McCain but I won’t tell my husband. I figure if Tina Fey can do it, so can I.
Matt Gonzalez wrote a nice indictment of Obama for CounterPunch.
http://www.counterpunch.org/gonzalez02292008.html
Obama’s FISA capitulation is a damning confirmation of Gonzalez opinion.
I’m sure Obama’s perfectly happy with this. After all, Clinton endorsed him and is raising money for him and he’s leading 2-1 among Hispanics over McCain.
I think this is the third time you’ve posted that.
blech = broken record
The first and only time on this diary.
Pants on fire.
belch can’t help it…he’s got gas.
bleach can’t help it. he doesn’t have anything else to post yet from headquarters.
blech is believe.
Doesn’t take much to make that connection.
Funny turn of events. Guess she’s just belching leftover hope.
I guess the paycheck is late too.
They think they are doing mind control. If Belch posts the lies enough times then it is so. Won’t work here. We are not cult material. We already have ourselves and our faculties. Only lost people join cults like Obamas
I want this bullshit nonsense stopped now. Go back to the Senate Hillary and stop stumping for the person who stole the election from you and trashed your name to near destruction.
I want this bullshit to stop and have Hillary on the ballot and Super D’s to grow a spine and save this country from Obama and his imbeciles. Save Anerica.
Stop this Obama hysteria. Stop him now!
“…he’s leading 2-1 among Hispanics over McCain.”
Wow - do you ever get tired of lying?
This is an article from the New Yorker not yet on the stands? but on the internet. Lizza examines Obama’s steps from Chicago organizer to presidential candidate. Also, Lizza was on Terry Gross, NPR this morning talking about his/this article.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/21/080721fa_fact_lizza
It is a stinging indictment.
There have been at least three diaries about this today.
And rather than being an indictment, the article shows that Obama is a seasoned legislator who knows how to work with people across the aisle, compromise, and get things done.
John Aravosis - is that you? Get thee back over to A-Blog and look for the cheese that’s slid off your cracker.
And don’t forget to pick up a nice “w(h)ine” to go with it.
LOL you made me spew drink.
It shows that he’s a sleezy user who throws people under the bus..but we already knew that.
He is callow, shallow and naiive.
We are adults. We do not need you to tell us how to see things.
You are a disgraceful, human being. Winston-like, you come here to hijack and pollute our threads because you cannot bear that people might commit the speechcrime or thoughtcrime of saying anything other than the mantra-like dogma of the Big Brother Obamaborg. Take your newspeak and shove it down the throats of your supporters where it belongs: after all, the elites need their pate.
You seem concerned that someone might express views with which you disagree. In fact, your use of the pollution trope expresses a real fear. It is you who seems to find disagreement to be a crime of some sort. I most certainly do not.
blech,
Your style of flood-posting is recognized as a tactic to prevent people of somewhat like minds from communicating with each other in internet postings. It is a form of cyberbullying intended to disrupt freedom of association. In this campaign, it has been used to effectively push Hillary supporters off of democratic blogs.
You say you are only practising free speech, however, you are one of those who claims the right to free speech without also adopting the responsibility to practise free speech in a way that does not inhibit the free speech of others. We come here to learn and teach each other. You come here to propagandize. Like your FISA-supporting, “freedom is slavery” candidate, you “game” free speech to your advantage, which effectively negates free speech in practise. You incessantly interject. You hijack threads and say you’re only posting information, but that information is unrelated to the post. You work against the flow of conversation because you do not love the exercise of liberty.
Your undergraduate attempt at a psychologizing trope that purportedly unveils my fear of alternate views is an interesting case of projection, inasmuch as your raison d’etre is to prevent the bloggers and posters of this site to share their ideas with each other.
I do not fear you. I smell your fear. I challenge you to debate me (or any of our bloggers who are interested) on blog radio. As an old, meat-and-potatoes lefty, I’m ready to debate you on issues where Obama has abandoned earlier democratic principles. You have stated that you agree with his pragmatic approach. I don’t. Let’s debate.
Please check out my debate proposal to sfhilary on the old blog on Rove for a list of suggested topics.
Steven
Uh oh.
The troll hasn’t responded.
You must have used too many multi-syllabic words.
I guess no debate forthcoming.
Blech is still looking the words up in a dictionary.
Is the belch troll only 13? Seems so because they make no sense at all.
Are you sure it’s not believe because it sounds like believe to me?
Definitely believe. Unmistakeable likeness.
Very well written post, Stephen. Unfortunately, it should at least be acknowledged that the flood-posting you reference is happening on both sides of the aisle (and by both sides, I mean Hillary and Barack) even in this very thread.
Count how many times the New Yorker cover has been referenced just in the past 50 or so comments here- what in the world does it have to do with the original post?
The fear you smell seems to be everywhere.
and I apologize in advance for mispelling your first name.
Learn how to distinguish fear from rage. And where’s your sense of humor about the New Yorker? I bet you laughed when they had the one of Hillary as a witch flying a broomstick, didn’t you? Come on. Tell the truth!
Amen, Steve! Did Obama ever campaign as a pragmatist? This line of “argumentation” by the Obamatons sounds more like rationalization to me. Also, according to his zombie followers, Obama has always been centrist–therefore, his recent flip-flops are justified and accounted for!
Give me a break! Obama campaigned as a “different” kind of candidate and to the left of HRC–but in reality he’s all over the map! Who is this guy? The Obamatans didn’t know at the beginning of the primaries nor do they know now!
Here a few articles concerning Obama, his newly found positions, and the possible shenanigans behind his candidacy:
Hook, Janet, Peter Wallsten, and Peter Nicholas (LA staff writers), “Obama, McCain agree on many once-divisive issues.” LA Times (July 13, 2008).
Barrett, Wayne, “Could the Republicans Pick the Democratic Nominee? — The Untold Story of How the GOP Rigged Florida and Michigan.” (March 31, 2008 | 08:36 AM Est)
Edsall, Thomas B. “Sticking A Wrench In The Gearbox.” (July 12, 2008 10:46 AM ). (Edsall@huffingtonpost.com)
“Bamboozling the American electorate again” (Revised and updated July 13, 2008).
“Bush’s Third Term.” ( July 13, 2008)
Excellent comment Steven.
Steven,
I wouldn’t mind if you used this vernacular verbatim with any and all obnoxious Obama posters or Obama posters in general.
Exemplary post my friend.
W. A.
Steven, I wish to God it would happen. That was a stinging, perfect summary of Obama’s blogger army and their cyberbullying tactics.
Thank You Steven. Their posts are distruptive to our normal process here. That is their intent.
Uh. No. The article proves that Obama does NONE of the work on ANYTHING; but he’s always right there to step up and CLAIM CREDIT FOR EVERYTHING.
In other words, he’s a fraud.
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD
YA
That is not new news, we have known hes a fraud for a long time…
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
I was so counting on Hillary to be president to help save the natives..
Someone stop this Obama bully NOW!
Seasoned? Is that ranch seasoning?
Seasoned? You know this oblahma is stewing all the hope out of me here.
you call thug like tactics compromise?
this is the third post of yours that is the same. YOu were laughed off the other blog post.
go ahead and give it a good cry. you’ll feel better and maybe be able to say something substantive.
I don’t believe that YOU believe what you just posted. WoooHooo Obama experienced, seasoned, yeah right.
blech,
“Compromise” is old world politics. Collaboration is new style politics. Goes to show Obama is nothing new.
Same old, same old Obama.
You mean work the people don’t you? Obama is a con-artist.
That piece in the NEW YORKER is just a whitewash of Obama, it doesn’t hardly mention the two most important people in Obama’s political life, Tony Rezko for being Obama’s biggest fundraiser, over $250,000 and William Ayers who with the help of Ayers father gave Obama jobs on the Board of the Woods Foundation and as Chairman of the Chicago ANNENBERG CHALLANGE GRANT, a $110 million effort to improve education in Chicago.
He did a bang-up job naming that post office and sending tax dolars to the Congo.
The July 21 edition of The New Yorker is on the stands today. Saw it at Borders and Barnes and Noble
I hope it’s in all the front windows too.
Lets all go out and buy one. Let’s raise their sales.
‘There have been at least three diaries about this today.
And rather than being an indictment, the article shows that Obama is a seasoned legislator who knows how to work with people across the aisle, compromise, and get things done.’
WTF??
Did you read the post, mijo?
I screwd up! He got things UNDONE!
And caving to Republicans receiving nothing in return, is not compromising, is CAVING>
Perhaps we just disagree about what it shows. I’m happy to see that Obama is a politician who know how to make the system work. He’s no naif. And he has far better people skills than John McCain, something important for getting people to work with you.
Have you been living under a rock? John McCain has served in the U.S. Senate for 30 years and is known for working across the aisle. That’s why the right wing of the Republican party has a problem with him. Obama is untested and untried. We don’t need a trainee in the White House.
Can you show us — other than voting for the Cheney energy plan — anything that Obama did that “worked” in the United States Senate? Right. We know the post office naming and the Congo reprimand. And please don’t cut and paste that bogus list of things he added his name to. We would like to see accomplishments …. we won’t wait up. We know there aren’t any!
I think this belch blech is the new “believe”.
time for it’s nap.
I think she always was “believe” or “Innocent Bystander” whichever name she chooses to use today.
why do they change names anyway>?
Because “Michelle” was too obvious.
To make up think there are more of them than there really are? Either that, or they’re just nuts.
I think his name was Ted last night. Has he used the “intellectually dishonest” remark yet?
I’m curious about your statement that McCain doesn’t work in a bipartisan way. Are you familiar with the Gang of 14?
Don’t stress their minds with actual facts! Obamabots are very defensive about those pesky realities and have reading comprehension issues.
Keep it simple:
Hope!
Change!
Unity!
my ass…
Belch,
I don’t know who you are trying to convince. Fine, go ahead, vote for the most unqualified candidate running for President in our history.
Do you understand that you will not change our minds. We don’t drink that Koolaid that you Obamanots drink. Hillary Clinton is still the best candidate and the Dems and Obama’s campaign through her under the bus!
By the way, take some Mylanta… you may see your candidate for what he really is… a liar, a fraud and a big fart!
uhhh uhh uhh uhh listen to my uhh uhh people uhhh uhh skills uhhh uhhh I need err err err Hillary to help me uhhh uhh uhh out here.
Uhh she’s the real speaker. DOH!
I thought he was not a politician. I thought he was here with hope and change. BS ,He is just like every other politician.
Lets see, we had McCain- Kennedy and then we had McCain- Feingold, Mac can work with DEMS, he does it all the time
If he has better people skills than John Mccain, then why has John McCain accomplished so much more, on average of their respective careers, and had to explain himself so little?
‘There have been at least three diaries about this today.
And rather than being an indictment, the article shows that Obama is a seasoned legislator who knows how to work with people across the aisle, compromise, and get things done.’
WTF??
Did you read the post, mijo?
He screwed up! He got things UNDONE!
And caving to Republicans receiving nothing in return, is not compromising, is CAVING>
I’m actually enjoying the downfall of Obama. Maybe there is some good that will come from this fraud being our nominee. At least now some of his progressive supporters and others will see that he stands for nothing. Obama needs to destroy himself and the current DNC regime. Once they go down, Hillary will come back stronger than ever in 2012. I can’t wait to see Obama/Dean/Brazille/Pelosi go down this November.
You must have a crystal ball. Was it working well a year ago? Personally, back then I thought Hillary would sweep all the early primaries.
Wow…anyone else remember the 30% of bush supporters who have, and still are supporting him and making statements like blechs?
Deny reality, til the very end.
blech=obamabushbot
obama=black bush2.0
———
2004 - You’re not a republican unless you agree with me
2008 - You’re not a democrat unless you agree with me
I feel sorry for people so easily misled.
deja fking vous comrade!
do they hand type the talking points for you OBOTS????
what a piece of tripe
Don’t be insulting tripe now.
it’s actually good if well-prepared.
Lou, if it’s not well prepared, it’s full of grease.
ahhhhh uhhhhhhhhhh errrrrrrrrrrrr ahhhhhhh uhhhh er. DOH to you too..buh bye!!
I have to agree with your post 100%
That I cannot wait to see!!!!!
(Not Hillary coming back stronger because she WILL! but the puppet masters getting their just rewards!)
Obama doesn’t care about the actual legislation, it’s just about the photo op, all that legislative stuff is so boring for Oblahma, not enough adoring crowds in those boring meetings.
But at least he has his vibrating cell phone!
Yeah , probabely a present from sinclair.
Possibly a present from wright
OH NO it was a gift from AT&T for his vote on FISA
I wonder if AT&T tap his phone too.
OH NO it was a gift from AT&T for his vote on FISA
someone still got screwed
And only Obama has a smile on his face!
Hahaha- this is still the same diary with the comments:
“That’s because we don’t act like fucking children”
“We are adults.”
…right? Un-be-lievable.
Excuse me, but it was your candidate who told a woman on an airplane his erection was a vibrating cellphone. OWN YOUR SHITTY CANDIDATE.
Well he’s gotta have something to keep him busy in between limo rides.
Gives “limousine liberal” a whole new meaning.
LOL!
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
Obama just wants the photo-op part of the legislation? Sounds familiar.
I told you. He is the ultimate Pres Bush third term.
I never thought I’d say this but he’s worse than Bush! Bush looks humble compared to this guy.
Obama Bullying Hillary Out of Convention?
Excerpt:
Sue Castner of Portland is a longtime Clintonite who was a big fund-raiser for Hillary Clinton and will be one of her delegates at the Democratic National Convention. Nobody was more loyal. Days before Clinton dropped out of the race, Castner told me: “If it comes down to a [convention] floor fight, I grew up in New Jersey. I’ve got brass knuckles. I am not remotely afraid of a floor fight.”
Castner is still coming to terms with the reality of Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee, judging by an e-mail of hers (see it after the jump) that is making the rounds. Castner was in a group of Clinton supporters who met with Obama and Clinton on June 26 in D.C. - and she wasn’t too happy with how it went.
Ms. Castner’s email: http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/07/14/obama-bullying-hillary-out-of-convention/
Fred,
That is some letter/email she wrote…Did you here Donna on This Week Sunday?
her comment is -7:10 or so in…
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5364939
”There are still some people within the party that believe that Hillary should be the nominee and just encase lets think about throwing her name in at the convention, I don’t know if that will happen.”
“some people” = 18 million
He wanted their rolodexes and donations. They agreed before he let loose the kicker… negotiating the convention. I can so see this guy bringing peace to the Middle East.
HE IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!!!!!!!!!!
He is the presumptive nominee..BIG DIFFERENCE.
WAKE UP!
I saw Obama on the news yesterday saying “si se puede” in San Diego and it was even more ridiculous than the first time he said it in Nevada.
Hillary is beloved in the Hispanic community.
Just got this email Doesn’t look like Obama wants to ask Clinton as his VP. I’m very happy about that.
http://www.newkerala.com:80/one.php?action=fullnews&id=84999
GOOD
Yes, they are blaming Pres. Clinton. Obama does not want Hillary as VP, she will upstage him as he found out while speaking to the La Raza event.
for good reason–she has original ideas and true conviction.
THANK GOD!!!!! 2012 isn’t all that far away … I’ve had bad dates that seemed to last longer!
gawd this does seem like a bad date….ever since Hillary got out it’s like one of those bad dates where you’re sitting there and the guy is going on and on about himself….blah, blah,blah…and you keep looking at your watch. Only luckily you pre-plan a friend to call you on your cell just in case….I’m waiting for my call!!!!!
ring..ring…shit wrong number…I can’t hardly wait till November…
August! Don’t know if I can take this ’til November.
Well are they going to let her put her name in in Denver?…I want a president that I like to listen to and that would be Hillary…I will just keep turning BO or McCain off just like I did Bush..
2012 is far enough away,especially when the economy is the worst ever. I sure would like to see Hillary at the helm,with the USA in such a mess. Somebody needs to find Obama guilty of something, that could land him off the ticket.
Investigators need to go to work fast.lol
Hillary 2008 // Hope it happens at the convention.
We NEED Hillary
deja fking vous comrades!
do they hand type the talking points for you OBOTS????
what a piece of tripe
and NO WAY I do NOT want to wait until 2012
some of us are not so young and this mess will NEVER get cleaned up with Obibrats spraying all over everything and then blaming it on the Racist GHOST of HILLARY!
Screw that!
Thank God!
That story was weird and disgusting. Who the hell does Barky think he is? Damned thug.
He wants to vet Big Dawg but is not vetted himself?
What’s big dawg got to do with it? There are so many Obama lies in this one story it’s a fantasy.
Translation: Bill told BO to kiss his ass, so did Hill’s donors, BO hasn’t got a chance to get her anyway, he’s making up a story that it’s his call.
Pew, that article is another joke. Bill Clinton has refused to be involved with Obama’s campaign, but they would love to force him in if they could. I don’t think it’s ever been her intention to run with him and that’s a huge relief.
He is used to getting credit for all the work done by others. Emil Jones started it and backtrack thinks he’s owed the credit since he is the chosen one here to save our souls.
He isn’t gonna win the latino vote. The polls can say whatever they want. Hispanics in the southwest will vote McCain unless a Clinton is on the ballot.
Did you listen to the conference call with Rosario Marin? I think you may be very right!!
http://blip.tv/file/1075213
He’ll steal your vote then. He hasn’t won a damned thing ever. He is making things worse for this country.
i must have missed the post about the complete clusterfuck that is the republican party at this point.
ron paul’s supporters are planning on having an alternative convention, huckabee continues to hold a not insubstantial number of supporters, the gop “base” continually complains, loudly and frequently, that mccain is a “librul” …
so what exactly is the point here?
McKook and Barry are in the tank with BIG OIL
they are BOTH trying to deny the truth!!
America is wiser than they look mofos.
You’re only defense is always: but the other woman/guy is worse! Never about why Obama is ready or able to be president.
Huckabee conceeded-Hillary DID NOT!
That’s the point here. Get used to it.
http://www.contrariancommentary.com/community/Home/tabid/36/mid/363/newsid363/242/Default.aspx
Andy Martins new book makes Obama or Michelle I should say fess up.
OT… Julian Bond dissin’ WJC in a statement released
today. What, he’s paving the way so OB can be well
received when he speaks this evening at the NAACP
Dinner? The statement by our former president in
response was gracious. Bill’s got class.
OT..
Running for cover
Unfunny? Sure. Tasteless? Maybe. But Obama has more important media problems than this New Yorker cartoon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/14/barackobama.uselections20082?gusrc=rss&feed=media
My favorite comment:
Only a humorless, dumb, self-absorbed asshole could believe that he is above satire.
She certainly has Barry pegged!
YUP!
Love it! AWESOME!
I agree..
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
Obama: 9/11 Was ‘A Failure of Empathy’
Another good read about Obama
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30635_Obama-_9-11_Was_A_Failure_of_Empathy/comments/#ctop
My minister didn’t stand behind a pulpit and ask God’s damnation to rain down on America … I guess chicken’s coming home to roost didn’t sound so good in print?
Another instance the print and broadcast media will ignore in their hatred for all things Clinton. If you could stomach to watch them some of the “journalists” on certain cable channels words bordered on the psychotic.
Look forward to a few pro-Obama bloggers having aneurysms when the Repubs start pounding the living shit out of Obama for all of this. The Marshalls, Aravosis’, Huffingtons, Molitsas and Coles could barely keep it together when us Hillary supporters raised legitimate questions about Obama.
Words. Just words. That’s all he is.
I notice a lot of Obama trolls in this thread. I guess they are concerned the New Yorker is correct.
Exactly:
Barack Hussein Obama is an Osama bin Laden loving, flag-burning, militant-marrying Muslim.
Keep pushing that scribe. It reveals enough about the supporters of this blog to let the sane realize exactly what is going on- epsecially when the true Hillary supporters here refuse to practice what they preach and denounce this nonsense.
I read MO’s thesis, and she sounded pretty damned militant in the Stokely Carmichael tradition. Bill “Flag-Stomping Ayers” was more than the guy down the street, too. He was a mentor, a colleague, and he and his wife along with Obama threw a dinner for Rashid Kalidi; Obama identifies with his philosophy. That’s why Obama announced his run for the US Senate in Bill Ayers’ living room. There’s plenty of smoke with that fire. I won’t vote for him, because he’s a sexist pig who plays the victim when it suits him.
You mean that New Yorker cover was a cartoon? Damn, I thought it was a real photograph.
Latinos love Hillary
Latinos hate Obamba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9z-Aatd0wA&feature=related
This is why the crowds erupted at the mention of Hillary’s name…she is missed..
Screw that video. Girls and women of all ages got a distinct message in this election. The message is if you win, we will kick you out so that you don’t win.Women and girls can’t be president..or as slobama said to his own girls when asked if he cheated the election “sometines you strip them bare-naked so they don’t win”~quote~Barack Obama May 2008
here in California Latinos do not want a black president. Sorry I know that’s racist but that’s the way it is here. We have very bad racial tensions between those 2 groups. He will never get the Latino support here.
He’s a gansta that happens to be black.
Your contributions to this blog are truly irreplaceable.
(psssttt…insert comment attacking my contributions here!)
Your contributions are hypocritical complaints about profanity and unfounded accusations of bigotry with the sole aim of subverting the right to assembly and discussion of the topic at hand. Give yourself a pat on the back for being a first rate douchebag and a fascist.
You can say that again. Georgia wins the prize for profanity in this comments section. I know she used the “f” word at least once, so she’s got no right to complain about that.
Welcome to Michigan, Barack. You already have the map.
And they erupted in cheers because Hillary rocks!
She’s going to run again in 2012, guys.
It’s official!
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?fr=att-portal&p=Clinton
Man, makes me want to volunteer for McCain.
so - did the media decide to intercut Obama with this wild crazy applause (for Hillary) and attribute it to Obama?
I wouldn’t be surprised. The magic of editing and distortion to make the Precious seem more precious.
I just love this Video!And I love Hillary-Hillary is pure and her spirt witin her shows so bright on the outside.She is one in a million.Her eyes shine with love and true.Her words are spoken with such a breath of freash air.She is the one we need.
I will not give up on seeing Hillary in Denver.I surely hope that the democratic party and Obama and his camp does not try and stop this.Hillary has her right in going.This would be a big-big mistake as we are all watching to see what happens for Denver.
Mean while we need to see how to get Obama to front his real birth certificate.And why isn’t the democratic party coming in on this?What is Obama hiding by not doing a thing on this.Is it like maybe looking to buy time.
I will not vote Obama.If Hillary is locked-blocked out of the Denver convention-Then we have another good choice. McCain 08
Hillay we then can see in 2012.
We Hillary supporters will not forget of the treatment of msnbc-The democratic party,Hello Donna Brazile,Ring any bells?
We will not come around as stressed at the May 31 convention as they wanted us to do just before they kicked Hillary and her supporters again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9z-Aatd0wA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9z-Aatd0wA&feature=related
Her is the video I love so much.
Hillary,we love you!