Such A Brouhaha
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on July 16, 2008 at 11:36 AM in ACORN, Barack Obama, John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, New Yorker, Race, Racism
All over a cartoon. A satirical cartoon at that. The one Obama didn’t care about before he cared about it. Yes, I am referring to the cover of the New Yorker which dared to depict The Emperor and Empress Obama in anything less than a devotional homage. How DARE they?!? Never mind that the cartoon was clearly ridiculing the rumors that fly around the Internet about Obama. Why let a pesky thing like intent get in the way of one’s self-proclaimed martyrdom and victimhood??
Why, if a big huge stink is NOT made about the cover, people might actually read the ARTICLE inside! And they might, just might, see that this Emperor, just like George Bush, is wearing no clothes.
So instead, let’s just ratchet up the furor because heaven knows, NO other politician has EVER had a satirical cartoon done about them in the history of politics - ever! That’s why this one is so shocking! And no doubt, RACIST! Because they are making fun of Obama!!!!! How COULD they?!?! Don’t they know that this is unprecedented?? Oh, wait - it’s not.
You can go to this website, Political Humor, and see cartoons about all KINDS of politicians. The difference there is that the cartoons are mocking the actual people pictured, not the nebulous blogoshpere and its potential for rumor-mongering. (There are far more sites than this one - I just found this one first, and quite easily.)
But that wasn’t the point. Well, it is kinda the point with Obama - to blow something completely out of proportion and twist the message behind it.
We saw that time and time again during the primaries, like with the Bill Clinton remarks in SC that they twisted in an attempt to paint him as a racist. But the point in this particular instance was to distract Obama’s lemmings, I mean, followers - no, uh - SUPPORTERS from reading the article inside. Now, the material in there is not a surprise to those of us who are thinking - uh, informed voters, but it might well be to those bandwagoners in the Obama camp. It paints a picture of Obama different from his carefully crafted image as an outsider, a new voice, the reincarnation of JFK and MLK (gag me). Unlike the articles we have sought out to get all of the pieces of this puzzle, this magazine, a national, respected, magazine, puts it all together in one place (and honestly, went fairly easy on him from other sources I have seen, particularly those in Chicago). We can’t have that, can we?? Not according to the Obama camp.
What this article, “Making It“, makes clear was the calculated ascendancy of King Obama, the meticulous way he cultivated relationships to move him further along his path to what he wanted all along - the presidency. This was no accident, no fluke - Obama has been planning, scheming, and working for this day. It recounts just how he got this far, who helped him, and how; upon who’s backs he has climbed, and on who’s throats he has stepped. What is also clear is his opinion of himself, and it is mighty high indeed. Oh, yes - he knew he was going to be King, I mean PRESIDENT:
Almost as soon as he got to Springfield, he was planning another move. He was bored there—once, he appeared to doze off during a caucus meeting—and frustrated by the Republicans’ total control over the legislature. He seemed to believe, according to colleagues at the time, that he was destined for better things than being trapped in one of America’s more notoriously corrupt state capitals.
And he did not always get along with his colleagues in the State Senate. In fact, he had quite the acrimonious relationship with State Senator Hendon, and the two almost came to blows (here’s a surprise - Obama started it) on the floor of the IL senate. I bet you haven’t heard that before, right? Oh, no, he is always the consummate professional, isn’t he? No. No, he isn’t. Raise your hand if you are surprised at that!!! Yeah, I didn’t think so.
How about that Community Organizing experience he touts so much? The platform upon which all of his subsequent experience rests? Well, he had this to say about it:
…And for the most part I would say I wasn’t wildly successful. The victories that we achieved were extraordinarily modest: you know, getting a job-training site set up or getting an after-school program for young people put in place.
Wow - you can see why that experience, all 2 -3 years of it, are so foundational for the rest of his political life, and certainly for the presidency. I would go so far as to say he has already demonstrated some of his “extraordinarily modest” legislation since he got into the U.S. Senate, all two pieces of it (post office naming and helping out in Congo). Oh, it just gives me shivers to think what modest things he can accomplish as president!! I am sure the list is endless of the mediocrity he can bring…
Another aspect the article exposes it just how Obama came to be at Trinity United Church of Christ. You know he isn’t a native of Chicago (though one of the Obamabot talking points is how offensive it is that Hillary Clinton isn’t from NY yet is a senator from NY), and that was an issue. Where else to obtain your bona fides but your church, right? Well, certainly for the young Obama:
Obama seems to have been meticulous about constructing a political identity for himself. He visited churches on the South Side, considered the politics and reputations of each one, and received advice from older pastors. Before deciding on Trinity United Church of Christ, he asked the Reverend Wright about critics who complained that the church was too “upwardly mobile,” a place for buppies. Though he admired Judson Miner, he was similarly cautious about joining his law firm. Miner once told me that it took “a series of lunches” and hours of discussion before Obama made his decision. At the time, Obama was working on “Dreams from My Father.”
Notice anything missing about how he choose his church home? How about FAITH?? Or THEOLOGY? Um, no. No it was all about which church was going to help him the most politically. Theology and faith seemed to have little to do with his decision.
Apparently, the same was true of where he worked - it was what the church, and the firm, could do for HIM, not what he could do for THEM. JFK is rolling over in his grave, no doubt…
So, yes, if I was Obama, I imagine I would want a big huge smokescreen, too. A well orchestrated, “Look Over THERE!” By completely twisting the point of the political cartoon, he has made the issue the cover, so the issues raised within the covers are discredited at best, and ignored at worst. He has made the point the cartoonist, not his own history and his claw and nail climb to the top. Now, even if any of his army actually read the article, they would be able to dismiss any fact that was the least bit critical (or true) because of that darn cover. The one about the rumors. The one making fun of us out here, not the Obamas. It is clever, I’ll give him that. And is certainly in keeping with how he has run his campaign, and his political life. But it is also dishonest, manipulative, and insulting. If you actually read the article, though, you will see that is just SOP for Barack Obama.
Oh, one last thing - I got the following the humorist, Andy Borowitz, and thought he summed it up nicely:
Obama Releases List of Approved Jokes About Himself
Bid to Help Late Night ComicsSaying he is “sympathetic to late night comedians’ struggle to find jokes to make about me,” Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) today issued a list of official campaign-approved Barack Obama jokes.
The five jokes, which Sen. Obama said he is making available to all comedians free of charge, are as follows:
Barack Obama and a kangaroo pull up to a gas station. The gas station attendant takes one look at the kangaroo and says, “You know, we don’t get many kangaroos here.” Barack Obama replies, “At these prices, I’m not surprised. That’s why we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.”
A traveling salesman knocks on the door of a farmhouse, and much to his surprise, Barack Obama answers the door. The salesman says, “I was expecting the farmer’s daughter.” Barack Obama replies, “She’s not here. The farm was foreclosed on because of subprime loans that are making a mockery of the American Dream.”
A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, “Why the long face?” Barack Obama replies, “His jockey just lost his health insurance, which should be the right of all Americans.”
Q: What’s black and white and red all over?
Barack Obama: The New Yorker magazine, which should be embarrassed after publishing such a tasteless and offensive cover, which I reject and denounce.A Christian, a Jew and Barack Obama are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean. Barack Obama says, “This joke isn’t going to work because there’s no Muslim in this boat.”
And there you have it. Jokes can still be made about Bill Clinton and Monica. Jokes can be made about McCain, including his time as a POW. We have seen the number of so-called jokes about Hillary Clinton. But Obama is off limits, people - except for these five jokes above. Got it, people??
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Well then they’re RRRRRRRRRRreally not gonna like JIB JAB’s latest depiction of Bambi!
LOL it’s hilarious and NOT bad towards our Lady Hillary!
I think the cartoon helped him to get some points in the polls. Obambi is using media the way that has never been used before. See the article in the salon.com
“it seems Joe McGinnis had it right 40 years ago, when “The Selling of the President” chronicled how techniques from Madison Avenue helped send Richard Nixon to Pennsylvania Avenue. If Obama wins the White House in part by looking at voters the way corporations look at consumers, by 2012 it may be even harder to tell where politics ends and marketing begins.”
Bravo America!! So that is the “CHANGE” we were waiting for!!
Even Republicans could not do what Obama is doing to America! the whole presidency is for sale! What is it we are getting by buying Obama??? I just wonder!
I am so sick of opening my yahoo e-mail and see Obama’s face all over. I mean every time and every second, while I’m on my e-mail site!
http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/07/16/obama_data/view/index.html
You put it so very well
OMFG!!! That is a RIOT.
Did you notice Mittwit in the middle of the crowd at the end?
they’re all there! I saw Novak, Rove
THAT was HYSTERICAL!!!
The “My Little Pony-esque” treatment of BO was TOO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just unsubscribed Donna Brazil from Obambi’s mailing list, lol.
Thanks Obambi for your great UNSUBSCRIBE tool, lol. Now who else can I UNSUBSCRIBE, he he. SPAM is such a BAD thing. I think the reason Donna gave was something ’bout your FLIP FLOPS, lol.
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You can unsubscribe until the cows come home….the assholes still keep sending shit.
I really think they “believe” that bullying is a good tool. Or they “hope” we’ll “change” our minds.
We’ll change our socks and skivvies…but not our minds. The guy is a loser, a schmuck.
Obama’s Inexperience Tough to Ignore
Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:56 AM
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A close look at Barack Obama’s career reveals it has been even more mediocre than generally recognized.
Before being elected to the Illinois state Senate, Obama worked as a community organizer and a lawyer in Chicago.
In his memoir, Obama says being a community organizer taught him how to motivate the powerless and work the government to help them. His chief example is an effort to remove asbestos from Altgeld Gardens, an all-black public housing project on Chicago’s South Side.
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chicagotribune.comIsraelis ponder Obama victoryMany express concern that a Democrat in White House might take foreign policy in an unknown direction Jul 16, ‘08 12:35 PM
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chicagotribune.com Israelis ponder Obama victory Many express concern that a Democrat in White House might take foreign policy in an unknown direction
By Joel Greenberg
Chicago Tribune correspondent
July 15, 2008
JERUSALEM David Gerstein, an Israeli artist, is uneasy about Barack Obama, worried that if he gets to the White House he might take American policy in the Middle East in new directions.
“He talks about change, but the question is: What change? What’s troubling is the unknown,” Gerstein, a popular painter and sculptor, said over lunch at a mall near his studio. “I’m concerned that he might impose on us things we don’t want.”
In the run-up to Obama’s expected visit to Israel next week, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee remains something of a puzzle to many Israelis.
While Obama has declared unwavering commitment to Israel’s securitymost emphatically in a speech in June to the pro-Israeli lobby AIPACquestions have been raised here and in the American Jewish community about whether he might depart from the blanket support that President George W. Bush has given successive Israeli governments in the conflict with the Palestinians.
Fears of accommodationThe question is not whether Obama would abandon the traditional alliance with Israel, but whether he might guide U.S. policy in the Middle East in ways more accommodating to the Palestinians and the wider Arab world as he seeks to promote peace efforts.
That prospect is either worrying or encouraging, depending on the political views of the Israelis watching the U.S. presidential campaign, which is followed with great interest here.
“He might try to curry favor with the Arabs because of the rising price of oil,” Gerstein said. “Who knows?”
Etti Yaron, a criminologist, has a different view of Obama, whose visit will give Israelis their first close look at him since he began his bid for the presidency.
“He’s an enigma,” Yaron said. “But assuming he’s elected, because he’s from the Democratic Party I assume he’ll press Israel more to make progress in the peace process and take more significant steps. That’s already points in his favor.”
Yaacov Dayan, a retired official of Israel’s social security agency, said he thinks Obama would bring a “change for the better.”
“He will talk more and pursue less confrontation in the Arab world, and this could help bring peace here, with Syria and perhaps with the Palestinians,” Dayan said. “A policy of dialogue could influence the Arab side.”
A survey carried out in June for the right-wing newspaper Makor Rishon indicated that 36 percent of Israelis prefer presumptive GOP nominee John McCain as U.S. president and 27 percent favor Obama a narrower gap than in a survey a month earlier by another polling group.
McCain seen as friendMcCain visited Israel in March and is widely perceived as a staunch friend, a view strengthened by his military past and Republican affiliation. Many Israelis also see McCain as more experienced than Obama, and thus more dependable.
Yossi Shochat, an economist, said he doesn’t want to pay the price for Obama’s learning curve.
“Israel is in the eye of the storm, in a confrontation zone, and any small mistake by a U.S. president can lead to bloodletting here,” Shochat said.
Yet for all the misgivings some Israelis have, false allegations circulating on the Internet and preoccupying parts of the U.S. Jewish communitythat Obama is a secret practitioner of Islam or attended a Muslim religious schoolhave gained less currency in Israel.
“It certainly didn’t have as much traction here,” said Eran Lerman, executive director of the Israel/Middle East office of the American Jewish Committee. “We are so inured to the wildest stuff that floats around here in the political context that this is almost tame in comparison.”
Obama is Christian and attended a public school in Indonesia.
Daniel Ayalon, a former Israeli ambassador in Washington who in January wrote an op-ed article in The Jerusalem Post voicing doubts about Obama, said Israeli attitudes toward the candidate have evolved as he has clarified his positions.
“In the last several months he has been more specific,” Ayalon said. “His speech at AIPAC left a tremendously positive impression here.”
In that speech, Obama spoke of his “unshakable commitment to Israel’s security” and “ensuring Israel’s qualitative military advantage” and ability “to defend itself from any threatfrom Gaza to Tehran.”
Obama also declared that “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided”a statement harshly criticized by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. The Palestinians seek East Jerusalem, captured by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war, as the capital of their hoped-for state.
(On Sunday, Obama told CNN that he had used “poor phrasing” in that remark.)
Obama had struck a different tone in the past. In a February meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland, he called for an “honest dialogue” about Israel, asserting that friendship with Israel did not necessarily mean taking a hawkish stance on the Arab-Israeli conflict.
“There is a strain within the pro-Israel community that says unless you adopt an unwavering pro-Likud approach to Israel that you’re anti-Israel,” he said, referring to the rightist Israeli opposition party. “And that can’t be the measure of our friendship with Israel.”
Obama has drawn criticism in some pro-Israel circles for advocating talks with U.S. adversaries, such as Iran, and for consulting foreign policy experts perceived as tilting against Israel.
For Amir Coosner, a teacher, the prospect of Obama becoming president remains unsettling. “I’m scared,” he said, “for the obvious reasons: his background and inexperience.”
More specifically, Coosner said, “his Muslim backgroundhis father was Muslimand his mentor [Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.], who is talking against the United States.”
Obama has said his father was raised as a Muslim but was an atheist by the time his parents met, and he has disassociated himself from Wright’s positions.
Coosner said he doesn’t put much stock in Obama’s public support of Israel.
“Everyone makes promises and says things they don’t believe,” he said. “It’s his background. It worries me.”
jogreenberg@tribune.com
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Seems to be a positive article about how Israel sees Obama. As for being “Liberal” - not as though being Liberal is wrong, Bush employed Blair as Middle East envoy to work towards a two state Palestine / Israel solution.
Precisely!
And I agree with your PUMA$ stance, too!
It is sad but true that he does not like to be mocked. However, when you become a canidate does that go with the job/ What president has never had a cartoon done about him? Not many, at least not for the last 100 years or so. The problem is not the cartoon, it is that Obama did not control it!
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
Yes, he does seem to like to control EVERYTHING, doesn’t he?
OT, but in terms of the Native Americans Against Obama, I keep wondering how the Native American nations feel that their endorsements were NEVER covered by the MSM????? I couldn’t believe it. Sheesh.
I read an article yesterday where stinky BO said the cartoon was an insult to the American- Muslim community. LOL. This is coming from the guy whose camp told two women in a head scarf to take a hike. The hypocrisy doesn’t get better than that. Makes me think of the children’s rhyme “Barry Barry quite contrary, where did your voters go?”
His rapid response backfired. He was mocked by both right and left-wingers on the over-sensitivity to this.
Even going on Larry King to say, “I’ve seen worse,” didn’t much help.
He’s a wuss.
I think Obama is wearing a little thin. People are getting tired of him.
Oh, Honey…do ya THINK???
Sheesh, even Maureen Dowd is disturbed about the fact that Obama and humor aren’t allowed in the same room. Er, on the same planet.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html
The Washington Post noted today that when the movie Dr. Strangelove came out, its reviewer was shocked, and said the film gave aid an comfort to the Russians.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/16/AR2008071600113.html
Yeah, those rumors! Where the heck do they come from!
I don’t know where all the rumors originate, but I received some emails at the beginning of this campaign about him being a Muslim. It was easy to trace them back to a right wing church group. I didn’t believe them then or now. I was a Clinton supporter then, I am now and I will always support her because she is so far superior to him in every way, I can’t ever imagine voting for a lesser. BTW. BO is trying to make nice with some of those people to make up some of the Democrats, like me, who will never vote for him. I have never heard anyone who investigated those rumors and I’ll believe anything Drudge says when hell freezes over.
In all of my 54 and 3/4 years, I’ve never seen such a mockery of our political process as this election year.
This man is absolutely dangerous to the future of our country and I will do EVERYTHING in my legal power to stop him from becoming POTUS, including becoming a Republican for a day on Nov. 4th.
Can I car-pool with you for that one day? If not then I will hitch-hike to the voting booth so I can vote against Obama.
I’ll either give you a ride or pay for your taxi depending on where you live!
Won’t somebody please think of the children!
Count me in. I said something similar to my husband the other night. Here is another article about the annointed that should be spread far and wide:
http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/1
I saw that article a while back - TELLING that it hasn’t made it into the MSM. See, that’s the problem with the New Yorked article, and why they are trying to deflect from it - it really shows him for who he is - cocky, arrogant, quick-tempered (really, almost getting into a fist fight with a long-standing IL senator?!?)…
The MSM has been worthless when it comes to vetting BO, I’m truly disgusted. Deflecting people away from the New Yorker article could backfire badly (for BO)…causing it to be more widely read than it might have been if he and his media suck-ups just ignored it. They aren’t the first to give an honest history of how BO operates, but they’ve gotten the most attention.
Who was it he pushed into a corner that day on the house floor they came in for hearings? Lieberman? I forget. He basically pinned the guy up against the wall? For some reason, I don’t think it was Lieberman as I can’t imagine JL allowing him to do that. It was a blatant act of itimidation though.
He tried to mouth off to Liebermann when he found out that Joe was backing McCain, but from what I heard, Joe basically told him to “kiss off.”
Speaking of Joe Liebermann, he was on Fox & Friends this morning and hinted that McCain could very well cross the aisle and pick a Dem for a running mate. Hmmm???
BTW, finally a decent joke about Obama:
While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75-year-old Texas rancher whose hand was caught in a gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Obama and his bid to be our President. The old rancher said, “Well, ya know, Obama is a “post turtle.” Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a “post turtle” was. The old rancher said, “When you’re driving down a country road and you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that’s a “post turtle”. The old rancher saw a puzzled look on the doctor’s face, so he continued to explain. “You know he didn’t get up there by himself, he doesn’t belong up there, he doesn’t know what to do while he is up there, and you just wonder what kind of a dumb ass put him up there.”
Credit: a commenter on Politico
That is freakin’ AWESOME!!!!!
LMAO
Maybe THAT explains why he keeps flip-flopping … he crawls off the post and falls to one side … then the collective dumb-asses put him back on top … then he crawls off the other side!
ROFLMAO! REALLY!
Recycled Dubya joke.
That beauty goes all the way back to LBJ, in fact. His post turtle? JFK.
No matter, though–it works beautifully for Obama.
Again it’s about skin, this time thin-skinned–let me tell you how to live, what to eat and when to laugh, Obamacrack.
Exactly.
The Washington Post runs a devastating editorial against Obama’s current position on Iraq.
Aren’t they suppose to be in Obama’s quire? I am posting it here not as a commentary on the war, but as yet another sign of buyers remorse sipping into the MSM.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/15/AR2008071502531.html
I like this quote from that article:
We have to stay on the MSM. Scream for reporters to do their job. There has to be some leftover reporters that don’t want to be fed their stories. That want to get out and do some “REAL” investigative reporting.
The only thing Obama is running for is WOTUS.
Use whatever ‘w’ word you like.
wuss
whiner
weasel
whackjob
winky
warthog
wimp
I’m sure there’s more. Have fun making up your own!!
PUMA
wanker
wake-n-baker
weather girl
white trash
WTO
Waffler
Wabbit
wannabe
wuss
weeble.
Weenie-muffin
I second Waffler!!!
We should be using this word instead of flipflop each time.
waffler!!
oops
wuss was first
how about
willy wonka
weenie
Wenis
WTF
lol Harp
weapon of mass destruction
When you think of all that Hillary has put up with - with grace - he really is a petulant child in comparison.
Love the Borowitz bit - it’s dead on. Have we ever seen any evidence that BO has a sense of humor at all?
Yes, Hillary DID put up with a lot - still does, and always with grace. Remember when that guy was holding up a sign, screaming “Iron My Shirt!” and the humorous way with which she dealt with him?? We NEED a POTUS who isn’t quick to anger like BUSH and OBAMA. Someone who doesn’t lash out at the drop of the hat or at every IMAGINED slight. What a concept…
Excellent point, RRR Amy! Remember his pursed lips the last time he agreed to a debate and was actually questioned?
I kept thinking HOW could he not be prepared for such simple and obvious questions.
And BTW, fantastic post! You nailed everything.
Thanks!!!
Thank YOU! Glad you liked it!
I know - the lack of preparation was just shocking. It was like he was mad that they didn’t get the memo that he only did follow-up questions to whatever CLINTON said, “Uh, ditto! “Um, what she said!”
You don’t hear about Clinton (either one of them) getting upset about the JibJab video.
McCain did the same thing with the guy that stood up and asked if he called his wife a name. Like that same man has “never” called his wife a name. We don’t cuss in this country or call people we’re angy with names. Pfft. Yeah right, Hillary isn’t even their spouse and look at the names they’ve called her.
Obama doesn’t like to be interviewed, or to debate. In both situations he ends up looking more like the court jester, than a man running for president.
I agree, total grace: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/16/hillary/
By the way, McCain is for allowing states to make it illegal for gays to adopt children. Finally somebody is thinking of the children! I’m sure they’ll be much better off in those cushy orphanages.
Presidents have no say-so over state laws. Period.
That’s funny, I kind of remember the Defense of Marriage Act having something to do with blocking states from allowing gays the same rights as the majority.
Congress does. You want gay rights? Vote for Democratic congress.
I do, it’s that pesky veto power that a Republican President would have that I really like.
McCain works well with Democrats and would not be remotely close to Bush on such matters.
He’s a 4-year guy. Tops.
I could almost write the script on this one.
He’ll go down in history as returning to his “maverick” ways if he’s elected. He would no longer be beholden even to his party. No reelection pressure.
He’d make the history books.
And the Latinos are being dumb here, too. It is MCCain who would buck the Republicans if elected and get through a comprehensive Immigration Bill that I guarantee, would NOT include the right-wing “round em’ up” spirit in it in the least.
That’s my 2 cents. His record is loud and clear. The scene is set.
All we need is ACTION!
And now? He’s not looking so hawkish on Iraq.
I agree with Ann here.
McCain is for states rights. He will equally defend California banning offshore drilling as he will other states okaying it.
I don’t think he’s gonna push an agenda, unlike Backtrack “don’t eat fried chicken” Obama.
And Rory, you may think about weaning yourself off the Washington MOONIE Times. Donna Brazile’s outlet, btw.
But by that logic he’ll defend a state saying that minorities can’t have the same rights as the majority? Be careful on this ’states rights’ thing. Historically it has not been used for good when it comes to the bill of rights. And usually the only outlet for correction has been the Supreme Court. For some reason I don’t see a court made up of people like Alito and Roberts rushing out to defend the rights of homosexuals. Or states standing up to big oil for that matter. Just look at the ruling on the Exxon Valdez settlement from a few weeks ago.
please again I ask
how do you KNOW he won’t try to run again?
If he did, no biggee. She’d whip him now, and she’s not even running. LOL*
She definitely would in 2012.
Gravity will take over
HAHA! good points both!
Jib jab nailed it.
They also have no say so over private adoptions. President Bush couldn’t even step in and do anything to stop what was happening to Terri Schiavo. But, now they’re going to control who adopts a child. You better go back to that Roe V Wade thing. Lot of young women don’t understand how the laws work, they might buy into what your selling. Where do these people come from? I thought these were the so called “educated” votes?
mccain voted against the consitutional ban on gay marriage, he believes these are state matters.
stop obfuscating and try finding reasons we should vote FOR uhhbama….
Why should issues of freedom for minorities be left up to states? That’s the lamest cop-out ever. I think we tried that leading up to the 1860’s with varying results. The point is it’s the president’s job to protect the constitution and the bill of rights. To allow for states to decide who can adopt children and who can’t is insane. I have a feeling he isn’t against gays adopting, but the fact that he’s willing to throw a minority group under the bus to appease the nutjobs on the religious wing of his party is revealing. That’s all I’m saying. State’s rights are intended for things like speed limits and real estate laws, it’s not intended for a majority to infringe on the rights of a minority.
It’s called States Rights, and you’ll have a very, very hard time convincing state politicians that isn’t how it should be.
We are a union of states.
I believe you are referring to a confederacy of states. (small c, but the inference works, so why not go with it) The fact is we don’t allow states to infringe on the rights of monorities. In fact we fought a civil war over it. The whole State’s Rights thing has been a dog whistle tactic used by Republicans since the southern strategy to appeal to bigots. It was usually used to appeal to race bigots, but in this case McCain is using it to dog whistle to sexual preference bigots.
Let me set you straight, buddy. CA worked hard to pass our recent law, and we are not about to let conservatives in red states remove it.
So you’re up against a mountain here.
This was hard-won. It’s here to stay.
And nobody on the Federal level has any right to tell us different.
States establish marital laws, including age and now gender.
That’s that.
I applaud what you guys did in California. It’s huge and once again California proved itself as the most forward thinking state in the country. But that’s not what I’m talking about. McCain stated that he’s for allowing states to outlaw gay marriage, and even more abhorrent, outlawing gays from adopting. He said that that should be left to the states. Which to me seems like a horrible stance in light of his job to protect the bill of rights.
I repeat. States establish the laws for marriage, not the Feds.
That’s why you can get married in an hour in Nevada.
That’s why you can now marry your same sex partner in MA and CA.
And McCain is dead right to leave this to the States and to the courts.
Now, if the courts wish to rule on EEO protections in place, they can do so.
Our state supreme court tossed out the proposition banning same-sex marriage.
Now, the right-wingers have to actually change the STATE constitution.
Each state has its own constitution, it’s own laws, and it’s the only way to go.
National consensus would take decades on many issues. Instead, let the states take the lead. CA is always willing to shock the nation. We are nuts and fruits here, right?
So the country learns that the sky doesn’t fall in after all.
I liked Hillary’s position on Gay and Lesbian rights. I heard Obama tell SC people that marriage was for men and women only. You’re slyly forgetting that bit.
Obama’s position on abortion does NOT please me in the least. He pandered to the right with his mental distress bit. Jerk.
I’m very liberal on these issues. I don’t want someone like Obama messing it up with watered down crap.
McCain is actually safer. States rights.
Moderate judges.
That is far, far better than Obama.
That makes no sense. So you’d rather elect the candidate that would allow for states to decide that minorities don’t have the same rights as the majority? I’m afraid that states like California, Massachusetts and New York are the outliers here. The states rights you refer to are historically used to infringe on the rights of minorities, not the other way around. If you notice, the states that you want to have the rights to decide on these issues aren’t exactly the base of the Republican party. If it was up to a Republican president, the states rights issue would be used to keep gays from adopting and marrying. And that is exactly what McCain reiterated today. He’s pandering to the religious nuts in his party. You have the right not to like the Democratic nominee this year, but I think you need to step back for a second from your reservations about Obama and really see the Republicans for what they mean when they say ’states rights.’
you don’t seem to understand that i was replying (below) to AnninCa. this is what a nested reply to your comment would look like.
you don’t seem to understand the difference between a state’s right to exercise its inherent powers and the federal constitutional protections afforded to minorities. you can’t just wave a “states’ rights” flag at a question of rights-protection because if they are in conflict, constitutional protections trump.
That’s exactly my point. Yet McCain just said that he would defer to the states when it came to the issue of gays being allowed to adopt. Does that sound like someone concerned with the rights-protection of minorities enshrined in the Bill of Rights?
But what do I know? I’m just another one of those “Marxist Democrats.”
I responded down thread. I thought no more nesting meant start over.
hehe, Looks like bots arguing with one another!
It really gets confusting sometimes as to who is reply to what…I just confused myself.
I think I just had one of those Bush moments…Fool me once ummm ummm…Oh my gosh.
We also used to not let states infringe on the voter’s rights also. In fact, the whole world will be dancing in the streets when Hillary upsets that boogie man in Denver. The whole dNC and RBC thing has been trying to make hot shit out of a cold turd. But in this case, they got busted.
Not to mention the Constitution protects states rights.
The Constitution does not protect the right of majorities in states to infringe upon the rights of minorities in those states. In fact it does just the opposite. Republicans have been using this nonsense for years to get away with all kinds of race and sexual orientation dog whistling. States used to outlaw mixed race couples until the supreme court overturned the ‘rights’ of states to decide who could and couldn’t be married. A similar case went before the supreme court challenging Texas’s sodomy laws a few years ago.
We already have those protections in place. That kicks it into the Courts.
Come on. This is old.
You’re ignoring that Obama said he saw marriage between a man and a woman in SC.
That was his stated position.
He’s definitely NOT the G/L candidate.
Now, he may get their votes, but that group is savvy and know what’s what.
He is no champion.
you mean he was for it before he was against it? or was it against it before he was for it before he was into it?
double/triple entendre intended
:)-~
*blush*
I tell you one thing. Blogging has sure taught me more than a few things this year that nobody like me really ever needed to learn. LOL*
Amen to that, AnninCA - Obama is definitely not a friend to the LGBT community. This appears to be yet another scare tactic by the Obama side. If Bush wasn’t able to reduce what rigts we have over the past 8 yrs, I seriously doubt McCain could, especially if there is a Dem. congress (I think someone needs to pay a little more attention to School House Rocks abt the three branches of gov’t, how a bill becomes a law, and all of that.). Obama won’t do a thing for LGBT rights. His associations with people like James Meeks and Donnie McClurkin bear that out (oh - and James Meeks actively works to ABOLISH separation of church and state, with organizations like James Dobson’s group). So, yeah - you can drop this little faux outrage any ol’ time.
Oh, I see what you mean.
You do some pretty deep reconnaissance work! I’ve yet to go to the Washington Times and look up Donna’s work tho she invited me to.
First there’s a complaint that ‘poor Obama’ is being put upon by being asked to help retire Hillary’s debt. Then if she asks for donations from her supporters she’s being selfish and somehow robbing the Democratic Party.
Why is she obligated to help a party that stood by while she was called every name in the book?
He enjoys a good “ho” joke.
Oo.
Score!
In fact, Women’s Media Center *just* sent me an email about the New Yorker cover and I asked them where the HELL were they on Obama and Bernie Mac’s HO JOKES!
So, thanks!!!!
You’re kidding me. I thought the most telling was on HuffPo. They ran a piece on Hillary’s Fire Sale for her debt. It was a comedy jab, FILLED with sexist jokes. That was on the same day as the brouhaha over the New Yorker.
Hypocrites.
zing
Agreed.
And here’s a big joke: People who buy the New Yorker read the articles too. So maybe the diversion doesn’t work. Wuss, adolescent, narcissistic, know-it-all.
That Presidential seal was a joke which incidentally is displayed as the carpet on the New Yorker’s best cover ever. Now, that is no myth. Nothing there to bust or debunk.
Um. We do?
I get it for the poetry. ~:)
The sad thing is that the poetry used to be worse and the cartoons better.
I love bad poetry, but the cartoons aren’t even worth glancing at anymore.
I also love the covers. I’ve framed more than one. I did write and tell them that, in support.
I ordered the post cards.
But the people who see the cover on tv or pass by the news /Magrack Don’t read it. Instead of seeing it as Satire they just see it at face value.
Even Maureen Dowd has some words about the thin-skinned messiah. I could hardly believe my eyes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/opinion/16dowd.html?ref=opinion
She said if he’s elected we will all be depressed for four years (unless he suddenly gets a sense of humor.)
I agree with Dowd.
That line made me LOL…I agree too. We’ll have countless reasons to be depressed if he is POTUS, and his sparkling personality won’t help any.
I agree, his personality isn’t sparkling at all. This hope change hype is just that. I think he’s a rather tortured soul and he’s gonna make us all pay for his father deserting him.
His own wife calls him “pathetic” on national TV no less. If he was not running for POTUS, he would be hysterical. No funny bone there.
In fact the ‘notion’ that BO could crack a joke is bad juju. Something about DR.Phil…
Sense of humor would mean to you have to “sense” so in that case it may be an impossibility.
Insofar as being declared a racist to make poke a little fun, I would just bear in my mind he since he claims to be an American, he is white. So any claims of racism are simply as bogus as he is.
Not a problem.
WTF? The artist of the New Yorker cartoon was right; it really does expose the type of people behind the smears.
Bad words from Mo about Hope-a-Dope?
He must have disappointed her in the boudoir…
Obama Releases List of Approved Jokes About Himself
Bid to Help Late Night Comics
Saying he is “sympathetic to late night comedians’ struggle to find jokes to make about me,” Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill) today issued a list of official campaign-approved Barack Obama jokes.
The five jokes, which Sen. Obama said he is making available to all comedians free of charge, are as follows:
Barack Obama and a kangaroo pull up to a gas station. The gas station attendant takes one look at the kangaroo and says, “You know, we don’t get many kangaroos here.” Barack Obama replies, “At these prices, I’m not surprised. That’s why we need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.”
A traveling salesman knocks on the door of a farmhouse, and much to his surprise, Barack Obama answers the door. The salesman says, “I was expecting the farmer’s daughter.” Barack Obama replies, “She’s not here. The farm was foreclosed on because of subprime loans that are making a mockery of the American Dream.”
A horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, “Why the long face?” Barack Obama replies, “His jockey just lost his health insurance, which should be the right of all Americans.”
Q: What’s black and white and red all over?
Barack Obama: The New Yorker magazine, which should be embarrassed after publishing such a tasteless and offensive cover, which I reject and denounce.
A Christian, a Jew and Barack Obama are in a rowboat in the middle of the ocean. Barack Obama says, “This joke isn’t going to work because there’s no Muslim in this boat.”
I’m Barack Obama and I approve these jokes
Obama is just a distraction from the fact that mcCain will be our new POTUS!
I can’t wait until McCain is president. I’m just glad I’m not gay, Muslim, or a woman. Then it would suck. But I happen to be a white oil man so things should be great.
You want the fake-ass unicorn man. If you really think Obama is going to do anything other than destroy this country, you are riding on the unicorn along with him.
He’s just like Obama. He knows better than us HOES, huh?
Obama is kind of like a fly flying around your head and you want to swat him a good one!
Q. Why did Obama change his name from Barry to Barack?
A. He thought Barry sounded too American.
Q. Why wouldn’t Barack salute the American flag?
A. It was ours.
Harry Truman said, “The buck stops here!”
Barack Obama says, “Leave the bucks here!”
Stupid black minority, trying to pretend he’s American like us.
Obama is the one that refused to place his hand over his heart. Obama is the one that (initially) refused to wear the flag pin.
Give the victim hood a rest. Next you’ll say we’re all racists.
Oh wait…
Oh, gawd, the college dropouts finally finished their leftover pizza for breakfast and think drooling over their FISA fucktard messiah is a worthwhile dropout career path.
Stupid RoryBellows, Trying to play the race card.
obama is not black…..he is arab and white
Ya know Rory, I’m starting to suspect you grew up in one of those racist states that Obama was complaining about. You see racism everywhere.
It exists…..that is without a doubt. Those racists would never vote for Obama, which makes the name calling and insults here rather useless.
However, pointing fingers everywhere diminishes true racism that people suffer daily. At the same time it lessens the impact of the word on the very people who are listening to the calls for geniune change, not the hopium version.
It makes me wonder if in real life, and possibly living within a racist state, have you ever stood up for black folks? In any substantial way fought racism or spoke out in the face of it?
Growing up in CA and moving to GA for a short time…I’ve seen the dangerous type of racism that you diminish with your jokes.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Inexperience/2008/07/15/112909.html
Good article on Obama’s achievements (not)
Newsmax is where I get all my news.
Rory, I agree, I meant Not as in NO achievements.lol
Really? You quoted the MOONIE TIMES a few posts ago.
I know, that was painful to both you and me.
I really did debate that one. And I agree it was a low blow. I really don’t hate Hillary, and I do hate the WaTimes, so I was very torn.
Just because it’s from Newsmax doesn’t make it a lie. Looks to me from that article they did their homework. Or perhaps you’d like to point out the lies and send us the corresponding truth from legitimate sources?
Muslims don’t like cartoons either.
Stupid Muslims.
Moron
Shame on you RoryBellows, for thinking Muslims are stupid, I suppose you don’t want to be seen in public with them either, like Barak.
Oooo I’m gonna report you!
Off with your head!
fist bump, Patti
Who gives a shit what they like or don’t like?
Let ‘em litigate,
ONLY because Obama asked, I’ve just sent HRC $100. toward her debt. Not that she and her 100 million actually needs or deserves it.
I’ve also just sent Barack my 6th $200. donation this year. I will do so again in August. And September. In October I’ll make it $400. Or more.
OBAMA O8
Stupid JC, don’t give money to him. Don’t you realize he hates America and women? And has cocaine fueled gay orgies that end in murder. Or that his wife hates white people and there’s a tape to prove it?
lol. So I’ve - heard.
What is your email address, lol?
You are either a major doner (2300) or lying. He’s not sending small doners any requests for paying down Hillary’s debt.
You aren’t paying attention. He’s made the request publicly a number of times now.
LMAO! Yeah, like when he forgot!
Haven’t you heard? BO actually has some - flaws!
No, I hadn’t heard that, thanks for the information.
Here we go again. The GWB lower the expectations game. Geez obamabots should be shouting 4 more years at their cultfests.
Only at fundraisers for top doners. You reading the news on those events and thinking he’s asking for your bucks?
Don’t.
He’s not even wanting you guys to cough up for her.
Throwing your money down the drain. It will probably go to crack, arugala, or Tiffany earrings.
Are we suppose to care?
Prove it. Show me your receipt. Liar.
a fool and his money………
JC~
Waiting on that receipt, darling. It’s a cut and paste thing. You highlight it, copy* it and then paste. (* You can either use the edit option on your tool bar or simply right click).
Before you submit to post, be sure to delete any personal information that you do not wish to share.
Voila!
Show me don’t tell me.
We appreciate your generous support.
NOBAMA 2008 OR EVER
Obama’s campaign point today? McCain’s “confusion.”
This type of tactic absolutely infuriates me. It’s ageism. But he’s the first to protest over racism!
The hypocricy just makes me ill.
Article on Huffpo. I won’t link.
Ageism AND Sexism, yet no blow-back.
Just goes to show how widely accepted both are in America today.
That pisses me off too. It’s one of the memes, like “McBush”. All sorts of Dem mouthpieces have used the “confused” theme in the MSM shows. I had no idea sexism and ageism were Democratic Party principles (until this year, of course).
Like his confusion on the number of United States or the capital of Israel or who liberated whom in WW2?
LOL, don’t see HuffPo or the rest of the suck-up press talking about that, do we?
I posted, then how does Obama explain 57 states or Arabic in Afghanistan? Nevermind the fact that he’s employing ageism in a crude way.
HuffPo censured it.
time for the reagan joke: “i refuse to let my opponent’s youth and inexperience become a political issue”…
JC and RoryBellows ,
Obambi sends you in pairs now, lol?
You know like the “buddy” system, so ya don’t drown.
BTW, McCain got a warm reception with his speech at the NAACP today. What is your thought on that?
They must be the 5% of African-Americans with a favorable opinion of him.
Nothing wrong with being polite.
Sorry J.C., Obama is not Jesus Christ. Blacks don’t have to worship only him.
See my response to “Bonita” above.
Are you saying the other 95% is racist then?
No. Just smarter.
What would you think if 95% of whites didn’t vote for Obama? Would they be racist or “smarter”?
LOL.
No answer is an answer, huh, Dave?
I think you made JCs head explode Dave.
Hmmm, I think you’ve stumped them Dave!
Lol, he sure got quiet. I’ll bet he ran back for more talking points.
Naw. He ran out of Cheetoes, had to get Mom’s car and run down to Circle K.
after all of the racist, anti-gay, anti-woman politicians and platform planks of the republican party, i don’t know why anyone in any of those groups would vote for a republican. i don’t think you can call racist on blacks for voting overwhelmingly for obama OVER MCCAIN.
on the other hand, i think the racial split in the primary DID EVIDENCE some identity politics (at best) on the part of whites AND blacks because the policy differences were so small. but that was a smaller divide than that between the republicans and democrats. it is still worth noting and working toward ending.
Yaz,
Just a question about the blacks overwhelmingly voting for obama and it not being racist. In the past it has been almost impossible to get this large of # of blacks out to vote. And now along comes a black man (?) who has been pushed on the DNC and now you have 90+ % of the black registered voters voting for a man who’s platform is a joke. I will not pretend that I know what was in thier minds when they voted but I doubt very seriously they studied his platform. (just like I doubt a large # of clinton’s or mccain’s supporters studied thier platforms)
Which leads me to the thought that they voted for him overwhelmingly because he is black and they are black. If that is not racism please tell me what is.
it’s a question of proof. vs. McCain, it’s too hard to know why a hypothetical black voter is voting for Obama because based on the advertised policies of the parties, you would assume that most rational minority constituencies would vote Democrat. Surely there are some racist black voters. you just can’t draw any conclusions about how many and who they are in that match up.
which is different vs. Clinton, because neither of their policies are anti-minority rights. so more can be said about the existence of racism. and it goes both ways. and it is sad. and it is mostly related to low-information voting. and we should try to change it. but we should do so with dialogue, not hatred.
which is why i’m here trying to make my case and not spew invective.
Thanks for your kind response, but I still do not understand the dramatic increase in black voters from years in the past. In my area it has always been the black voters chant that they can not get to the poles because someone is keeping them down. I am in noway suggesting that all of obama’s supporters are only voting for him because he is black. I am simply trying to understand why in the past it has always been a burden for them to go vote. But then along comes BHO and all of the problems getting to the pole to vote are gone. My point is this, If we are going to have a govt we can try and respect should we not vote for the person based on the platform and direction they want to take the country rather than the color of thier skin. According to MLK we should judge a person by the content of thier character not the color of thier skin. I am judging BHO by his character and the characters in his closet.
well enthusiasm should be distinguished from preference, i think. there are lots of reasons to get excited about a candidate. the historic nature of clinton’s and obama’s candidacies inspired large numbers of people who had never voted in the primaries before to get really excited about a candidate this year. i don’t think you can chock that up to racism (or sexism for that matter).
my comment, on the other hand, is directed at preferences and what we can tell from that.
your question though belies a certain amount of contempt for Obama’s supporters. you are claiming that there is some cohort of black voters who a) wanted to vote before, b) complained that they couldn’t, and c) magically could this year. i would be surprised to find out that there is any evidence that this is the case. we don’t know what the makeup of the new voters are. we DO know there is historically a lot of apathy in ALL demographic groups. if Obama spurred some previously apathetic blacks (and whites, i might add) to vote, that is not evidence that they were previously not voting b/c their only choices were white. in fact, black voting rates are similar to white voting rates historically and there is almost never a black to vote for in the presidential election.
I do not have comtempt for any voter. We are free to vote for any one that we please. My contempt comes when someone votes because of the color of the skin. We can stand back and say more blacks and women and whites voted this year than ever before but that will not change the point that in conversation and post reading you find that one of the main reasons people are voting for obmama is because it is historical. BS, we should not place the future of our country on this. If this man had any good character and a platform that supported Amercia then I would say great. But he has no platform for me to support and I can not understand anyone voting for a person because it is a historical moment. Male, female, black, white etc.
“My contempt comes when someone votes because of the color of the skin.”
i understand, but my point is that you seem to think that you’ve located identifying characteristics of this behavior but i’m not sure that you have. you shouldn’t assume that a new voter is only voting b/c he’s black. and you shouldn’t assume that anecdotal evidence of voting based on skin color is evidence of a greater pattern.
“I can not understand anyone voting for a person because it is a historical moment. Male, female, black, white etc.”
absolutely, i agree.
“he has no platform for me to support”
if you mean to say that he has no platform, you are woefully mistaken. so much so that i would have to conclude that you did not try very hard. he has an extensive platform that is very easy to find and very easy for any democrat to support.
if you mean to say that you can’t support it, well, again, i’m not sure why but i don’t know anything about you, so i won’t presume to try to figure it out.
You are good at this, do you do this everyday. Anyway. If you will look back on my 7-16 20:37:52 post I stated that I had a question. I do not assume to know why anyone votes as they do. I simply had a question as to why in the past black voters did not turn out to vote in the numbers they have turned out in this year. If they are only coming to vote because obama is black it is wrong and if they are coming to vote because they support his platform then that is the proper way to make a decision. It’s good to see more participation in the country. As far as his platform I’m sorry I can’t support it. If you have any actual planks of his platform to share with me please do. Please do not say hope and change. Those planks have already broken. I am not trying to be clever here I just would like for someone to tell me what he stands for besides higher taxes and more gov’t. By the way thanks for the first calm conversation with one of his supporters. Everyone else just uses bad language and stops the conversation.
Obama’s plan is to raise after-tax income for 95% of americans.
http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/06/obama-and-mccai.html
i’m not sure why you don’t realize that it’s insulting that i’m here having a calm, civilized conversation and you preemptively say, “Please do not say hope and change.” you have deluded yourself into thinking that obama supporters can’t tell the difference between policy proposals and the intangible aspects of a candidate. i see a lot of dumb shit on this website, but i don’t assume that all people who don’t want to vote for obama feel this way.
“If you have any actual planks of his platform to share with me please do. ”
go to his website, listen to his speeches. if you want to hear his policy prescriptions, they are there. if you don’t, you won’t see it.
“higher taxes and more gov’t”
are you a democrat? obama doesn’t want this any more than hillary does. but it’s a silly canard anyways.
I am not assuming you are like other obama supporters I have tried to talk with. The statement about conversations with other supporters has always begin and ended with hope and change and had nothing in between. So please do not think that I am droping that on you. I agree with you about some of the things we see here on the website.
I am not a hilliary supporter either. I was simply reading this thread and notice your post.
I have no horse in this race.
As for obama’s tax plan yes it may increase take-home pay for a large number of Americans, but it will also get us on the back side. If we sell our home it will cost us. If we have investments it will cost us more. When the tax rates are increased on the corps the cost of our food , cars, cloths etc. will increase. So no I do not support his or clinton’s tax plan and mccian does not have my blessing
(like that matters). I do have his plan which I downloaded from his website. I have yet to finish reading the entire thing.
As for the question are you a dem?
The answer is no. I am a conservative. I believe less qov’t is best gov’t. obama, clinton, mccain,not much difference.
Nothing wrong with being polite
That leaves BO out in the cold. The fool has no manners or class. Doesn’t even tip for his waffles.
You want my thoughts on black people acting like normal human beings? I’m not sure I get the question.
You’re a strange little troll rory.
Thank you.
I don’t think anyone is interested in your thoughts Rory and I didn’t see a question mark in Teaks sentence.
Yeah, it was not about race. It is about BO’s manners, which are soooooo lacking. If you recall the way he left his utensils after eating waffles you will get my drift.
If you wonder why BO has no women in his past beside the MO and the woman he shared an apartment with in Chicago knew before meeting MO, it is he lacking certain social skills.
Anyway he is not a “black people”, is he? He is an immoral human being and could I don’t a hooey about what his skin color is, or anyone else’s for that matter. I take that back, if they were green or purple, I would check to see if they are OK.
Nope. Not on anything else, either.
check out mccain’s town hall meeting the other day:
video.on.nytimes.com/?fr_story=cc5e7699c91dde4b8040da9e47b860d8b0dc0187
this is the one where he responds to Baracktrack’s flip flops on iraq
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I love political cartoons, always read Time’s “The Week in Political Cartoons” http://www.time.com/time/cartoonsoftheweek/ I have seen Obama often poked fun at, as well as every other candidate and issue. I love to laugh! And these cartoons make me laugh.
The New Yorker cover didn’t make me laugh. I guess it wasn’t subtle enough. Just seemed dumb, silly. Even MAD magazine is funnier (though MAD is less funny as the years go by).
See this video? http://time-blog.com/swampland/
I love Romney’s remark that Obama is an “amateur”. What the country needs, he says, is a “tested, proven professional to lead our country.”
And the Rasmussen report that either Clinton or Gore would do better against McCain than Obama…
I happen to love Hillary Clinton. What a lady, what an intellect, what a fighter, and what a patriot.
But if McCain put Romney on his ticket… suddenly I’d be looking at that ticket more closely.
“But if McCain put Romney on his ticket… suddenly I’d be looking at that ticket more closely.”
Oh, me too!!! Especially if the Mormons EXCOMMUNICATED Mittwit because he, too, bared his chest on the beach, to prove he wasn’t a cult member who wears “The Garment” Mormons are supposed to wear 24/7!
wow, you’re really stretching things if you think that obama flip-flops but ROMNEY of all people looks like an appealing candidate.
the sad part is that whenever these logical consistencies come up, an inquisitive reader starts to ask herself, “what is the real reason for this person’s preferences?”
That has been my chief complaint against the msm! The msm has allowed/permitted/acquiesced obama to paint himself as some virgin politician that just got to washington the night before and was disgusted and decided on his own to clean washington up with his virtuous character and shiny clean ethics. Oh did I mention he is from chicago,Ha ha.
All obama had was his “mr smith goes to washington” alter ego. Now that the bloom is off the rose, the cherry is popped- all you have is an inexperienced chicago politician –oh yeah who happens to be the democratic “presumptive” nominee!
Boy, i am glad i don’t belong to that party anymore.
PUMA
wait, how do reconcile the fact that he is not “virginal” yet also inexperienced? i say again — it’s always the inconsistencies that expose the truth.
Oh dear…you’ve exposed us. Hey everyone the gig is up! The bots know the truth about us. The cover has been pulled off of the fact that we think Obama is just a typical politician who lacks the experience to be president of the United States. Gee imagine us not wanting someone like th to be our president.
it is actually amusing to me that you didn’t even understand my comment, yet you boldly charge forward mocking me. thanks for the good times!
Ok, well first off, I Will Remember said the MSM allows Obama to paint himself as virginal and clean…MSM lets Obama paint himself as someone who is disgusted by politics. But we have seen how he treats people like Alice Palmer, etc…
Just because Obama knows how to play dirty and knows how to get annoited by pushing everyone else off the ballot, does not make him an experienced leader for this country.
People talk about how Bush had no experience, yet he was a governor. Doesn’t mean he can run a country…and we all know he can’t.
The inconsistencies??? You are actually talking about the inconsistencies on this board made up of people who have different opinions of Obama, yet have the same goal to keep him from being president?
If you would just listen to yourself….It’s always the inconsistencies that expose the truth. Now go take a look at your candidate and his inconsitencies. He doesn’t even know where he’ll stand tomorrow!
i agree with you. if obama changed his positions every day, the truth about him would become quite clear. i do think that inconsistencies reveal the truth.
i also disagree that obama has been doing this. i know that i won’t convince you of that. fine, we will have to disagree.
but there are a lot of people here who make inconsistent claims that, when you unpack them, suddenly make it clear that the person is dead set against obama but can’t really articulate why. or why voting for mccain makes any goddamn sense at all. not everyone, but a lot of people. and it’s impossible to have useful civic debate when people obfuscate like that.
After Seeing These Videos, You Will Never Believe Another Word Obama Says About Iraq
http://patriotroom.com/?p=556
here’s a letter that was in our newspaper today!
Although i am alongtime new yorker subscriber/supporter, i must strenuously denounce the recent supposedly satirical obama cover. for anything to be satirical it must suggest some human folly being held up to derision or ridicule. this cartoon fails to do that in any fashion, and therefore can only be considered an extension of the insidious internet campaign raging against obama.
ITS ALL OUR FAULT FOLKS! i strenuously renounce OBAMA!
puma all the way
He’s not so “fresh” anymore. Sowee Nancy!
O/T
But why are the 2 NQR (No Quarter Radio) on different players? You need to make sure the full schedule is published somewhere with all the shows together.
Good work though!
PUMA in 08. Do it.
OH Please NBC sold nut Cracker dolls of Hillary in their Airport stores where is the outrage for that.
Good point.
I am confused. The media appears to be focusing on the turban/Muslim thing. Is not the flag in the fireplace a reference to Obama’s friendship with William Ayers, and Mr. Ayer’s flag stomping incident after 9/11? I saw the photo - that is not a rumor.
The arugula on the mantel - referencing Obama’s “elitist” remark about arugula - he spoke those words; again, not a rumor on the net.
Michelle toting the machine gun? Well, I see that as yet another reference to the Obama/Ayers friendship; not an Internet rumor to be dispelled.
The defense of the cover has been that it is making light of all the Internet “rumors” that are ridiculous. If that is the case, and all the depictions in the cover are merely to dispel incorrect Internet rumors, why have Michelle toting a gun? Why give her a “Fro”, making her look like Angela Davis? It reminds us that Obama has strong connections to the more radical activists of the 60’s. These people committed crimes.
I don’t believe the intent of The New Yorker was to make light of and try to dispel Internet rumors. I believe that it was an intentional attempt to get people asking questions and talking about Obama’s dubious relationships with people, the lack of clarity regarding his religion, birth, and perhaps race. I don’t see the cartoon as being that inaccurate, I see it as who they are, based on their backgrounds and friendships. This notion that the cover was to dispel rumors which are unfounded and ridiculous misses the point - Who are these people? Now the question has been asked and it is out there for people to chew on. The question still has not been answered and it has provoked even more questions than answers. I agree it is a brouhaha, and Obama is using it to make himself the victim once again - ho hum. What’s new.
I think The New Yorker did a good job of putting these points out there for all to see and debate. That is just the “cover” story! They knew what they were doing, and I think they succeeded.
I have yet to read the article. Perhaps my beliefs would change once I read it.
yeah, very interesting…
i did think about the arugal and the flag burning friend etc etc…
i wonder why nobody else has brought that up?
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
The gun was in reference to the silly talk that her fist bumping was a radical signal.
However, I agree with you that the illustration verged right on the edge with the arugula. That was a sly touch of truth. He did say that.
say what exactly? that people who don’t eat arugula are beneath him?
No, he mentioned the price of arula had gone up in Iowa, I think it was.
That drew a blank stare.
that’s what you meant when you said, “he did say that”? because the original comment that you amen’ed said, “referencing Obama’s “elitist” remark about arugula.” so this is the elitist remark about which you speak?
LOL…what part of that answer is a mystery to you?
Ya know it is posters like you that make me miss the years of debating Clinton hating Republicans.
At least they had a better command of the facts and where to spin them most effectively.
1. obama said the price of arugula had gone up.
2. the original commenter referred to “obama’s elitist remark about arugula.”
3. AnninCa says that (2) is referring to (1).
4. i ask how a comment on the price is an elitist remark (seriously go look up the word).
5. you state that i do not have command of the facts yet you don’t bother to actually tell me what i’ve missed.
it’s a very convenient, and well-worn, tactic. you won’t deign to explain it b/c the dopey (paid) bot troll would never get it. and, therefore, you never have to address the question.
thanks again.
It was totally accurate. The only thing that seemed to be missing was his bow tie.
no i don’t think they will change. but do read the article. Obama’s effort here is to distract us with the cartoon…so we don’t read the article. In fact you’ll be asking even more questions.
a great blog:
tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/07/arrogance-and-stupidity-why-obama-would.html
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Another interesting article about the “EMPTY SUIT”
MY vote will go to McCain!
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_Inexperience/2008/07/15/112909.html
thanks for posting that!
great article!
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
After the orgy of character assassination the Obamites pulled, I figure we can say any damn thing we like about the little prig.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Ro3TATqG8
Two Wrongs don’t make a Right…But THREE do!
That’s a big difference in our age, probably, Rory. I’ve seen the damage done when we try to force conservative states too fast. It creates waves of energy in backlash. It focuses people.
I’m socially liberal, but I see the value in slow and steady progress. First MA. Now CA on this issue. It’s not my issue, but I think the movement here was sharp and smart. They handled this right in CA.
McCain SHOULD focus on making sure the military stops any and all actions against gays and lesbians. That’s a focus for the president.
Perhaps Obama would be more aggressive on that front? I can’t tell from his campaign. Today he’s promoting, he’s actually promoting ageism. That doesn’t give ME any confidence in his agenda on human rights. None at all.
I’m furious about that Rory. He does NOT deserve the liberal mantle you bestow on him. He has one and only one agenda so far…..and that’s racism.
That’s just not a big enough tent to me.
MA (read Deval Patick and his new buddy the Speaker) is moving to abolish the out of state ban.
After reading the Kessler article, I want to vomit. What are we going to do with a president that has contributed nothing in his adult life to society. Can you even imagine where this country will be if be in four years if he is elected president? What the heck is going on here?
Tell me that Caroline Kennedy doesn’t know what kind of a candidate she is backing. She must be dumber than a stump. What about her uncle? You mean to tell me that Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry don’t know what an empty suit this man is? Don’t they have staff that can give them this information? I don’t think there has ever been a “done nothing” candidate like this before.
I could just scream. Why isn’t anyone doing something about this idiot called Obama?
I hate to be rude, but Caroline is like a great many soccer moms who have also not contributed a lot. LOL*
I’m sorry to point out the obvious.
She’s just a very sweet lady whose kids rule the roost. I live in a community where those ladies flock to live, alas. They are everywhere.
OK…..that’s my snark for the day here. LOL*
And I surmise the majority of Obama’s supporters rule the roost at their homes as well.
yeaaaaaaaaaap!
Email Donna Brazile at both her emails below and let her know you won’t vote for an empty suit. Perhaps even
opt her into email listssend her info that truly show Obambi to be an empty suit.DONNA@brazileassociates.com
info@brazileassociates.com
I have e-mailed Dean and Brazile until I am blue in the face. You can see how much good it did in the primaries. It was like talking to a wall. No one is listening. I have given more money to Hillary’s campaign than I have given to charity in a year. I don’t know what else to do, and I am just sick. There is a foulness to this country that is totally demoralizing. What happened to citizenship. What happened to patriots you could be proud of. How did this government become so rancid. Look at the House and Senate. I still cannot believe the SD actually left Hillary and voted for Obama. It makes me feel crazy.
Just my 2 cents…I think Hillary is leading the way.
She got a Kudos today for her request for monies to roll over to 2012. I think the headline was: “That didn’t take long!”
I think we just focus on the downticket after the convention, help whomever we decide to vote for a bit, and prepare like heck for 2012.
As SOON as I hear her debt is settled, then I plan to redirect my own “mad money” for politics here into PUMA, Women Count, too, or other worthy endeavors, provided they find a way to redefine themselves.
Hillary lost health care badly. But, you just start over, wiser. She has another shot.
2012!
Kathy, outside of Donna and Kennedy, I think they are all being duped. They think that he’s going to provide for them and give them golden throwns at the Olympics and he’s gonna favor their preceious earmarks, blah, blah, blah.
He is on a mission to get them in his pocket for those who are running this charade. Pack of jackasses. He’s already overpowering them. They are standing around with their mouths agape and their palms turned upward.
OT but important:
Any one know what should be the priority right insofar as donating. Hillary’s debt? The Denver Group? Something pressing now?
And when we sign up for the redirection of our donations for HRC 2012 - will our max allowance revert back to $2300 again - or what?
Thank you!
2300 is per election, I believe.
“contributed nothing in his adult life to society”
you see, when your criticism so completely lacks basis in fact, it’s hard not to jump to the conclusion that something else is animating your animosity. even his strictest SUBSTANTIVE critics will admit that he has contributed plenty.
What has Obama contributed. How has Obama distinguished himself since he left college. There are so many AAs that have worked their butts off for society and where has it gotten them. This guy was a state senator for 7 years (part-time) and we all know what he did there. We know how his students felt about him as a teacher of law. There doesn’t seem to be many that were impressed. At least they haven’t stepped forward. Where are the people who were actually beside him, watching him work and contribute. The only thing Pelosi could say is “he’s fresh.” Whatever Kerry and Kennedy have said about him apparently wasn’t powerful enough to even be remembered because for the life of me I can’t even remember their inane comments.
Tell me how has this Obama character distinguished himself and contributed to this country. Bottom line–impress me.
even fresh fish starts to stink if left out in the harsh sun for a few hours
Obama is to fresh fish as kimchi is to fresh cabbage.
Sigh. ANOTHER reason to not make my own kimchi on the back porch anymore.
(Sure ran the stray cats off, though!)
Please provide commentary by these strict, substantive critics as this will give us a valuable education about both Obama and your judgment.
If you were just talking through your hat, apologize and leave.
i’m sorry i don’t have time to pull up quotes. you are, of course, completely within your rights to disregard what i say if i can’t back it up.
however, it’s been my impression that even his substantive critics (including McCain and Clinton) recognize his time as a community organizer, state senator, and instructor of constitutional law. he made some sacrifices to do that work to the exclusion of other, easier, more lucrative work. he may be another politician and you may not like him for a variety of reasons, but if you take a step back it is obvious that he cares deeply for this country and wants to help make it better. (and the same can be said about john mccain, as much as i despise his policies.)
it’s just destructive to conclude otherwise in the face of all evidence to the contrary.
gotta run, i’m being paged back to the hive for new instructions.
troll by another name here…maybe pumastic?
same pattern…try to raise questions but gawd, sure looks like they’ve got a manual or something–its the same tired old comments.
Diversion for crybabies!
Caroline knows about this clown. Her endorsement tacitly implies that she is just as much party to this hypocrisy.
now they have a very small sampling of what Hillary felt like being called a cunt, bitch, nutcracker….
Some words that I have to jettisoned from my vocabulary of late:
distraction
notion
folks
choom?
A few months ago Huffpo showed a series of cartoons showing Hillary as fat-assed old woman and Obama as a cool dude. They seemed to take pleasure in this, but now that the tables are turned, they are acting indignant. What a bunch of morons.
Go back in time, look at political cartoons from the 1800s, then come back and tell me anything modern compares.
course we have some asshole muralist who painted a city blocks worth of Obamalincoln morphing pictures.
Somewhat creepy
imfho
A more thoughtful approach is not to use this article as yet another nastygram to Barry but to consider how the MTV generation of comics like Stewart, Colbert and O”Brien consider Obama humor.
The New York Times article dealing with the New Yorker cover notes that there is a consensus amongst the writers of these shows and that “the reason cited by most of those involved in the shows is that a fundamental factor is so far missing in Mr. Obama: There is no comedic “take” on him.” That would be news to the writers of Saturday Night Live, I wager.
Then there is the business angle to consider, it’s Show BUSINESS, after all. Stewart cites a definite audience resistance of any satirizing Obama, saying: “People have a tendency to react as far as their ideology allows them.”
Thus these writers find it is possible to satanize Clinton but impossible to satirize Obama.
The conclusion which I draw is that they are part and parcel with the media gasbags that forever found Clinton’s glass as half empty yet found beams of golden sunshine emanating from between Obama’s butt cheeks.
Like the turtle joke, there ain’t nothin’ new here.