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Der Spiegel: Obama’s speech tainted by Nazi History? [Updated]

You’re all familiar with the uproar in Germany over Obama’s original plan to speak in front of the Brandenburg Gate. In her fine essay, “The Adulation of a Leader: a Cautionary Tale,” Medusa noted that Obama was attempting “an ancestral hat trick,” evoking both Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy’s speeches at the site.

Well, Mr. Obama has been pushed down the road by German leadership to the Siegessäule monument, which Der Spiegel notes may be “contaminated by its Nazi past.”

In his Washington Post column, “The Audacity of Vanity,” Charles Krauthammer made the essential point about the “audacity” of Obama presuming he could speak at the Brandenburg Gate:

What Obama does not seem to understand is that the Brandenburg Gate is something you earn. President Ronald Reagan earned the right to speak there because his relentless pressure had brought the Soviet empire to its knees and he was demanding its final “tear down this wall” liquidation. When President John F. Kennedy visited the Brandenburg Gate on the day of his “Ich bin ein Berliner” speech, he was representing a country that was prepared to go to the brink of nuclear war to defend West Berlin.

Who is Obama representing? And what exactly has he done in his lifetime to merit appropriating the Brandenburg Gate as a campaign prop? What was his role in the fight against communism, the liberation of Eastern Europe, the creation of what George Bush the elder — who presided over the fall of the Berlin Wall but modestly declined to go there for a victory lap — called “a Europe whole and free”?

Here’s more on what Der Spiegel is reporting about the new site:

Der Spiegel wonders: “Is Obama Speech Site Contaminated by Nazi Past?”

The German magazine writes:

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The column originally stood in front of the Reichstag, Germany’s parliament building, but was moved by Adolf Hitler to its current location in 1939 to make way for his planned transformation of Berlin into the Nazi capital “Germania.”

“The Siegessäule in Berlin was moved to where it is now by Adolf Hitler. He saw it as a symbol of German superiority and of the victorious wars against Denmark, Austria and France,” the deputy leader of the Free Democrats, Rainer Brüderle, told Bild am Sonntag. He raised the question as to “whether Barack Obama was advised correctly in his choice of the Siegessäule as the site to hold a speech on his vision for a more cooperative world.”

Andreas Schockenhoff of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats said, “the Siegessäule in Berlin is dedicated to a victory over neighbors who are today our European friends and allies. It is a problematic symbol.”

Mr. Obama is all too familiar with “problematic symbols”:

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That grandiose symbol was “here today, gone tomorrow” after it became the subject of jokes throughout the media and on the Internet. So too is the Brandenburg Gate.

But now Mr. Obama has a new symbol to worry about: The Siegessäule column was seen by Adolph Hitler as a symbol of German superiority, and the move to its current location was part of Hitler’s scheme for the “transformation of Berlin into the Nazi capital ‘Germania’.”

Once again, the mantra — Location, location, location! — proves true.

UPDATE: Perhaps this new image will take Obama’s followers off the inconvenient truth:

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Via Ben Smith’s Politico blog.

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Comment by Matthew | 2008-07-20 14:32:30

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 14:36:38

Jayyyyyyyyyysussssssssssss.

Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-07-20 15:52:45

aint it grand?? The Uhhbamapalooza tour keeps giving..

PRIDE GOETH BEFORE THE FALL

his arrogance will be his undoing!!

HILLARY IS POTUS!

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 18:55:42

oops, there’s his pissy face again. Love it, his swanning around like the queen of the fairies and people laughing at him behund his back.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-21 03:06:50

I miss hearing that expression “swanning around.” It’s straight out of Flannery O’Connor.

 

Comment by MiriamEtienne | 2009-05-03 03:32:51

SORRY TO DISAGREE WITH NEGATIVE COMMENTS FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA…………THE PROFF IS THAT THIS MAN GETS HIS WAY ALL THE TIME………..THE GUY HAS A HIGHER CONNECTION…………TO WHERE AMD WHOM……THAT I CAN NOT SAY I KNOW………..HOWEVER ONE THING IS FOR SURE……………AMERICA IS NOT THE SAME AS IT USED TO BE REGARDLESS.

SOME PEOPLSAY HE IS A RE_INCARNATION OF EGYPTIAN KING………….AKHENATON and is wife Michael a vivid REPLICA O…………..QUEEN TYYE………..check it out then TALK.

 
 
 

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-07-20 15:11:28

OMG Creepy Undertones? Creepy? There has to be a better word for it than creepy. Sinister!

 

Comment by Jack | 2008-07-20 15:51:25

Beginning of Obama’s speech is leaked per Newsveek:

Ich bin nicht ein Fuerher, Ich bin ein Kaiser! At this blessed memorial of Germanic imperialism I call for a union between the US and Germany to return to the “good fight” against our common enemies, Denmark, France and Austria.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 18:56:37

Don’t forget POland.

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 01:55:15

Alsace, Lorraine and the Sudetenland!

 
 
 

Comment by Mirlo | 2008-07-21 05:52:01

I read another article in the German “der Spiegel” last night. It titled:
The Siegessäule (the column of victory) - of all places!
Obama seems to underestimate the Nazi symbolism of the Siegessäule. Critics say that for Hitler the Siegessäule was symbol for German Superiority and his war victories. They question whether this symbolism shows good judgement to stage a speech about international cooperation there.

Other sources in the article mention that this place plays absolutly no role politically, because it’s shape of a phallus makes it a favored place for throwing partys of the homosexual community.

Again, another source cited in the article mentions that the Siegessäule stands much more for fun than megalomania.

So much for judgment, folks.

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 14:36:04

Dear God, somebody pull that guy back here with a hook.

Comment by NoTrollZone | 2008-07-20 16:13:05

If you’re talking about Obullshit, then “no, no , no” don’t pull him back with anything. For Pete’s sake seal the borders!! Keep him out!!!!

 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 14:36:36

Beware the night of broken glass.

 

Comment by Athy | 2008-07-20 14:45:38

I am concerned in that Sen Obama (and his handlers) does not understand the historical significance of some of his actions- unless-of course- he does and wishes to inject some revisionism to our history knowledge base.

Sen Obama’s media machine appears to understand the significance of subliminal messaging very well so this makes me wonder- what on earth was he originally intending to accomplish with his planned (but now thwarted) Brandenburg Gate PERFORMANCE?

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 14:57:32

That’s easy. “I am JFK” was his subliminal goal. Far as I can see the only resemblence he bears to JFK is JFK was left handed too.

You see, he is surrounded with people who didn’t live any of the history they are trying to mimic. Instead they accidentally mock. That’s their downfall.

Trust me, none of these children know anything about Nazi history beyond a page in their 9th grade history book, which they grudgingly read for homework. That’s why they are getting into trouble. He surrounded himself with HUNDREDs of Foreign Policy advisors before leaving town. The problem is, none of them are historians. They need to ship this guy back home ASAP.

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 15:47:23

Wouldn’t it be better if they kept him????

We don’t want him back!

If Europe loves him so much maybe they can elect him into power over there!

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:08:28

Can we stop him at the border. I hear there is something funny about his passport.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:09:55

With people like ayers in education, the nazis will end up being sweet guys who love their mothers and kittens.

 
 

Comment by Tuppence 411 | 2008-07-20 15:23:41

Good point Athy. Does he know? Or worst, is he a puppet for someone or something else?

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:09:02

Does Rose Kennedy own a black dress?

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:31:10

They really don’t understand it. I think you’re right. Subtlety escapes them. His handlers don’t seem to be able to think more than a day ahead.

 

Comment by BABALU123 | 2008-07-21 12:13:57

so ,now it is time to understand what Obamas Mentor Wright ment in His speaches(Sermons) as Trinity Church and else …
Now I can see, tha Obama is the same Obama 20 years ego, and He is promoting His Trinity Church movement with no stoping. Go back to Wright speaches , and who this man reminds YOU, just look,listen and compare???
Obama said, that He is done with His Trinity Church, untill GE is over??? So, after GE, He will start His movement in full speed, M.Wright as His spokesman!!!!!!!

 
 

Comment by ssmith | 2008-07-20 14:45:43

why not?? frankly his 75K stadium is too “Hilter-esque” to me,

germans tend to be wary of anyone with a cult like following.. like Hilter..

Today, one of my friend who voted for the fraud in the primaries, decided she can no longer support him, its too cult-like. She may either sit it out or vote mccain. This is a HUGE deal for her, and in my opinion, if she is turned off by the O-cult, hmm..wonder how many others are frankly sick of it!

and for the person who said charles K would be critizing Hillary, yes of course, this is a free country, as far as I know, but Hillary woulnd;t throwing temper tantrums and act like some petulant child like the arrogant moron!

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-20 14:53:54

cripes almighty, Hillary probably would have laughed at that cover of New Yorker if it was her and Bill after all the ugly, nasty, vulgar things said about her from Obama cultists-please. Obama’s a wuss.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 15:01:09

He’s VERY thin skinned. You don’t enter the big time if you can’t take it. He whines and gets all freaked out, practically implodes every time somebody criticizes him. he’s a child with a glass jaw. I am sure the Republicans know this and will use it accordingly at the right time.

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-20 15:49:25

I like Karl Roves interview with GQ. His take on Obama was indicative of how they’ll go after him this fall. That he is arrogant and sensitive to criticism is no big secret in the capitol.

Have you gotten to know Hillary or Barack to any degree?
Yes, I have.

What have been your dealings with them?
Well, you know, I used to have her office at the White House. And I got to know [Obama] because we have a mutual friend, Ken Mehlman, who was his law-school classmate at Harvard. And so as a result, whenever in the last three years he’s been around at the White House, I’ve gotten to see him, and we sort of would hang around and chitchat about things. I’m actually in his book. He wrote that “people like Newt Gingrich, Tom Delay, Ralph Reed, and Karl Rove say we are a Christian nation.” And I did not say that. I confronted him about it. At the White House.

And what did he say?
Well, first he denied that I was in the book! And then he denied that it said that I said that it was a Christian nation. And then when I pulled out the thing [he had a copy of the offensive page with him] and showed it to him, he sort of blah-blah-blah-blah-blah- blah-blah. And I thought, That’s who he is. I mean, look, he may claim that he’s for a different kind of politics, but that was a cheap shot. And I’m not certain if any of the four said it either. But it was like, you know, Let’s just strap it in there and see if it goes someplace. Another example: Him saying, “We honor John McCain for his fifty years of service” was a cheap shot. He was going out of his way to say John McCain’s old.

Is John McCain too old?
No.

 

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 15:51:20

I have often wondered how much he’ll cry when he has to give his concession speech or if he’ll just refuse to give one!

Comment by NoTrollZone | 2008-07-20 16:22:53

It seems I remember John Kerry sending out
Edwards to thank the supporters the night Kerry went down in flames. (Kerry always seems to have been a class act). Obama will send out Michelle to spit on the crowd. He will then call the UN hotline and complain that he was robbed of his kingdom because Amerika is bad and can they please come and seize the country and appoint him because he really is supposed to be the world leader and this is seriously messing with his cool.

Either that or he will knot his little fists and go out there (with almost half the grit that Shirley Temple at age 5 possessed) and
keep his little bottom lip from quivering too much and he will Try so hard not to cry. And
Chris Matthews will try so hard not to cry.
And we will all try so hard to quit laughing our asses off (after an hour or so).

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:15:00

Oh he’ll refuse. He never stands up to anything. He’s a very tall crybaby.

 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:11:21

He kept the New Yorker guy off the Grand Tour. He’s so petty.

 
 

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 15:50:04

Did you see her laugh at herself on SNL??? OMG! I love her. She had no problem making fun of herself.

McCain was awesome, too, on SNL. Making fun of being old! If you get a chance check you tube. I think the clips are on there!

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:18:19

ssmith — actually Krauthammer said some really nice things about Hillary while these primaries were going on as did many of the other Republican columnists and pundits. Washington knows what Obama is — this is why he got the DNC to move to Chicago. He felt he would have more control there.

I listened to this other Reverend who is not supporting Obama say that Jesse Jackson’s whispers were for the thousands of Civil Rights preachers around the country who fear Obama will destroy the Civil Rights movement to promote Black Liberation instead.

As far as your friend is concerned–I believe a lot of nice people came out to support Obama because he presented a positive view of this nation and sounded very inclusive. No more — the vision Obama has for America is dark and bleak. Therefore, he will begin to lose the youth and will only be left with cultists.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:59:06

If there is a torchlight parade, I will explode.

 
 

Comment by rikc | 2008-07-20 14:48:53

Obviously, O’blah blah thinks he has already been voted “American Idiot” from all the fans texting votes on their cell phones, and now he’s doing his “World Tour!” Christ on a cracker can’t someone send this putz back to Chicago with all the other crooks, er I mean his friends, where he belongs? He is a total embarrassment to the USA when the rest of the world sees him! And we thought the wanking chimp was embarrassing! Geeze Get that TFLP off his imaginary “MEMEME” tour already!

 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-07-20 14:50:11

Perhaps the logical explanation for Obama’s massive troll followers is they are the reincarnation of Hitler followers, no? I see some glaring obvious signs there…uh, uh, uh….

 

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 14:50:53

Obama doesn’t care about history. He makes history fit into his narrative for his purpose, not the other way around.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-07-20 15:33:32

Obama doesn’t want to learn history. He wants to be history (as long as he doesn’t have to earn it).

Comment by C.S. | 2008-07-20 15:51:22

Sounds like “wanna be a war president” GWB’s ambition.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:12:56

Oh, he’ll be history all right. Right after the election.

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:38:21

imustprotest — Obama is trying this ploy 20 years too soon. We boomers are alive and well and we are not going to be fooled by Obama’s cockamamey history for dummies. We know the truth and we VOTE. He should have waited another 25 years until most of us boomers were pushing up daisies but that would have made him 73 and no spring chicken himself. If the I Love Obama cult was so huge then why are the 3 media stooges trying so hard to give Obama Foreign Policy gravatis and why is the Democratic Party trying to force us PUMA’s to vote for him? Democracy is alive and well and Obama ain’t young, cute or smart. Obama’s turn on seems to be world domination. Well sir if you can’t get it up without this fantasy try a Viagra instead.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:33:36

How funny> I said the same thing in my posts. I’ve been telling people this for a long time and the only ones who seem to get it are the over 50s.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:35:06

And his handlers aren’t exactly young either, not even late summer chickens.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 20:00:45

That would be funny. Then all the young punks of that time will say “he’s old. toooo oldddd.

 
 
 

Comment by Northwest rain | 2008-07-20 14:51:14

Obama is but a long line of narcissistic creeps who try to rule the world.

Anyone who “thinks” they can rule everyone has got to be bat shit crazy.

Obama’s speeches are ALWAYS tainted — none are original — they are patched together by a TEAM of speech writers.

Obama’s particular arrogance is in a class by itself. One of his partners in crime happens to be in jail.

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:40:26

Northwest Rain — so many have tried this before him and they don’t succeed. Obama should read his history.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:17:46

I can’t for the life of me see what this guy has to be conceited about. He’s not attractive, not smart, not a good speaker, smells bad. So, what does he see in the mirror?

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:14:16

And, his wife’s a Communist gargoyle who thinks she’s Jackie O.

 
 
 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 15:00:31

The adults in the universe are able to tell that there’s no musical instrument in his hands, just an enormous ego in his big eared head.

What an honor to be invited to a stadium to hear Der Fuher with 70K Obots. I bet he puts on a great light show too.

I hope that it storms, so that it’s really muggy inside for those caucus creeps.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 15:04:09

I do hope it’s covered by all the press so that anybody over 50 will remember 1972’s sycophants.

THe elderly who remember WWII will be all voting by absentee to make sure they don’t die before they vote against him.

The baby boomers will remember back to that time that made them say years later, “WHat the HELL was I thinking?”

And everybody in between those two voting blocks will remember BOTH.

Three HUGE voting blocks. This convention speech is a MUST SEE!

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:15:50

>>> The baby boomers will remember back to that time that made them say years later, “WHat the HELL was I thinking?”

You got THAT right!

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:41:37

MEchelle actually Obama is horning in on another rock concert so the audience will already be ther.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 17:50:17

Another glom on to a concert like he did at the prior 70K crowd scene in the Northeast where he thought a Great Lake was, but wasn’t?!

What a POS! Hitler could draw his own crowd to hear him speak (using his own words).

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:21:35

There were only 45,000at that gig and most were there to see the Decembrists. That was the concert where the obama people put the portable toilets on the police memorial to fallen officers. It was in Portland, OR.I have posted this before and will again because it shows the lack of respect to anyone. All of us.

 
 
 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:36:31

Oh my, I thought a really rude thing when you said musical instrument.

 

Comment by Kelly | 2008-07-20 23:36:22

I hear the surviving Beatles will reunite to open.

 
 

Comment by AnnieO | 2008-07-20 15:02:03

I’m wondering if he’s gonna fill the place up.

Comment by AnnieO | 2008-07-20 15:07:24

meaning the German venue

Comment by uppity woman | 2008-07-20 15:13:54

He will make sure he does.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 17:53:00

I wonder who the headliner band is? Hell, he’ll need a great warm-up band too.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 20:02:24

Uncle Adolf’s OOmpah Band.

 

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:17:56

“Howard Dean and the Rusty Trombones!”

“Dirty Sanchez and the Cleveland Steamers.”

 
 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:43:27

annie - who is going to make sure that the people who turn up to see Obama are not crazies? There are 2 highways which seem to be only yards away from the monument. This is nuts.

 
 
 

Comment by Todd Nash | 2008-07-20 15:02:19

Obama is no Hitler.
Hitler was crazy, but at least has convictions - albeit bad ones.
Obama is just an opportunistic coward, who believes in nothing but his own vanity and ambition.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 15:05:39

I’ve thought that Obama was a little like Huey Long, except Huey Long actually got some stuff done.

 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:45:08

todd nash — I think Obama has convictions — 20 years with the hate/reverend, 18 years with Ayers, 17 years as a pal of Farrahkan. OBAMA HAS AN AGENDA.

Comment by Patti | 2008-07-20 15:48:47

 
 
 

Comment by Faustina | 2008-07-20 15:04:44

As much as anything, Obama is probably using his tour and all the accompanying fanfare just to get attention focused on him worldwide as a US presidential candidate. The more attention he gets, the more difficult it will be to challenge him at the Democratic convention.

The same goes for his plans for an acceptance speech at Invesco Field in Denver. In that case, he will probably have a large number of rabid followers in town ready to riot if the rug is pulled out from under him.

Comparisons between his political tactics and those of Hitler, I think, are perfectly legitimate. I am not sure anybody really knows (some people may think they know) what Obama’s ultimate goals are (other than some type of self-adulation), so I am not comparing the goals at this point because I don’t know what Obama’s true goals are.

But I would call his tactics sewer rat. They stink; they’re rotten; they’re disgusting…and they belie his rhetoric to say the least.

First lesson in basic ethics…the end does not justify the means.

Comment by JR | 2008-07-20 19:04:22

That’s a great point.

 
 

Comment by candymarl | 2008-07-20 15:06:16

Yes Obama, the Uber Liberal/Progressive Democrat, praises Ronald Reagan and demonizes Bill Clinton.

Now there’s a real liberal/progressive for you.

Obama supporters demonize Bill and Hillary, using the same talking points the Republican Right Wing used, but we’re the closet Republicans.

Okie dokie.

Comment by uppity woman | 2008-07-20 15:16:07

Barack Obama(?-Ill)

Comment by candymarl | 2008-07-20 15:40:18

Well he did say Reagan had the right vision for America. Bill Clinton? Not so much.

From what I’ve seen of Obama, and his campaign, his supporters spent more time trashing the Clintons than Reagan, Bush Senior, or GWB.

When Joe Lieberman trashed the Clintons it was a bad thing.

When Obama does it it’s okay.

BTW, traveling to Germany and making a speech doesn’t make him a foreign policy expert.

Of course he could have held hearings of his committee, had testimony, and actually learned about the state of affairs of Europe and NATO. But he couldn’t bothered with that.

That would involve work and people may have asked for results.

Obama’s above all of that.

Comment by Patti | 2008-07-20 16:27:12

Cuz, we’d all be tuning into C-Span. We’re not entitled to hear him speak as he thinks. We are only entitled to hear what comes off the top of his contrived, forked tongue and subsequent refinements.

I love the video that captures him speaking –eh eheheh, y’all, y’all ya sall must not have been listening…prancing all about

My favorite one of all times is:

uh, uuhmmem, let me try that again. ereer uhm okay give me a sec- ahahahaI’m getting there folks, now hold on. now hooold on - and after all of THAT, he couldn’t get it together. Much like Humpty Dumpty’s horses and men. Wonder Why.

On the side, the ass probably never even heard of HD as he was to busy listening to Frank thee POET while gazing into a nearby puddle.

 

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:21:10

>>> BTW, traveling to Germany and making a speech doesn’t make him a foreign policy expert.

I once traveled to Paris, and, while there I broke wind in Notre Dame.

Hardly makes me an expert on Theology…

 
 

Comment by Patti | 2008-07-20 16:09:18

The ILL part is a certainty for me.

 
 
 

Comment by nelson | 2008-07-20 15:06:37

h-e-l-l-o is anyone out there?

just checking to see if i’m all alone

 

Comment by Changebot 2.1 (now with 20% more hope!) | 2008-07-20 15:09:19

This guy is scary,

I heard the Sunday talk shows saying that this trip will give him foreign policy credentials.

Has the MSM lost their minds!! How does going over seas and making a few speeches give you anything?

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 15:12:58

Don’t forget he played some hoops!

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-20 15:33:51

Crazy mad hops

 
 

Comment by NoBigotry even though my messiah Obama is a racist | 2008-07-20 15:16:05

Like in Hitler’s NAZI Germany the media is controlled and used for propaganda purposes.

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-07-20 15:21:39

Not after he dumped the New Yorker. He’s going to regret it. Even as we speek, the press club is horrified.

Comment by NoBigotry even though my messiah Obama is a racist | 2008-07-20 15:25:28

Could be window dressing horror. See it it has any legs.

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:54:25

nobigotry — Unlike Nazi Germany the American people have have 200 years of Democracy - and we like it just fine.

 
 

Comment by uppity woman | 2008-07-20 15:16:59

Hell I’ve traveled more than he has–and stayed longer too. I must have credentials.

Comment by NoBigotry even though my messiah Obama is a racist | 2008-07-20 15:21:23

You have credentials in driving trolls apeshit.

 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:55:28

uppity — I would be happy to put this country’s fate in your capable hands.

 
 

Comment by Tucson Transplant | 2008-07-20 15:44:15

For one thing, a speech gave him the credentials to run for President. woo hoo!

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:25:40

Always beware of the latest hustler who give that One Fateful Speech at the Democratic convention.

Google DARIO HERRERA. Big Speech at Convention. Wow! Dario, Lead Us Out of Sin!

Dario was going to be a, “Real comer.”

Dario now in Federal Confinement for, generally, being a crooked-assed County Commissioner in Las Vegas.

We aren’t as big as Chicago, or as old, but we KNOW how to run a Crooked Government in this town/county/state!

 
 

Comment by s. hall | 2008-07-20 15:52:15

changebot — and if Obama went to Disneyland would that give him cartoon credentials? Is amazing what crap they try to sell us. I know the 3 stooges are accompanying him to Europe to give him Foreign Policy gravitas. One trip does not an expert make and what happens if Bush attacks Iran before the election? The man is clueless. The campaign said that Maliki was supporting Obama’s withdrawl plan for Iraq. Maliki came out today and said — he was not supporting Obama or his plan.

Comment by Changebot 2.1 (now with 20% more hope!) | 2008-07-20 16:25:51

Yes, I Saw “Full Metal Jacket” so I guess I am Vet
I get it now..

 
 

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 15:58:46

I think I’ll go, too. Then I’ll have creds, too. That way about a week before the election, I can announce my candidacy as None of the Above. I think so many people would be happy for any third choice I just might pull off a win without having to cheat!

 

Comment by Fenelon spoke | 2008-07-20 16:10:49

I know a very bright young lady who is visiting Europe this summer before she attends an Ivy Leagure school in the Fall. Perhaps I should tell her to make a few speeches while she is there, and then she would have her diplomacy crednetials in order for a run for President. She does have one handicap, however. Unlike Obama, she doesn’t play hoops for photo ops.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:40:13

I’ve been to Mexico many times. I think I now can solve all their problems. After all, I’ve been to Ensenada a bunch of times.

 
 

Comment by roseeriter | 2008-07-20 15:10:52

Heh, in the Obamanation world he’s already the president, and traveling the world..isn’t that what lame ducks do…

Nobama!

 

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 15:21:40

Wasn’t this trip supposed to be his “talking with the Generals on the ground” to get up to speed on Iraq and Afghanistan?

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 15:59:34

Too busy, Sweetie!

 

Comment by Changebot 2.1 (now with 20% more hope!) | 2008-07-20 16:30:32

Do they shoot hoops?

 
 

Comment by Patti | 2008-07-20 15:27:58

He’ll be getting into lulling classical music in a minute.

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-20 16:01:07

Wagner?
not really lulling

 
 

Comment by HARP | 2008-07-20 15:39:19

If he tours NASA, will that make him an astronaut?

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-07-20 15:52:07

Well, Obama will THINK he’s an astronaut and I bet he has a relative somewhere that WAS an astronaut!!!

Keep watching kiddies! Obama is such a great example of apersonality disorder.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 16:02:14

Don’t you remember, he covered that one already….he watched the astronauts come ashore in Hawaii on his grandfathers shoulders…..that was his little reference again to remind us of JFK and sending a man to the moon. Barack Forest Gump Obama coming to a theatre near you.

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-20 16:16:50

Stupid is as stupid does

 

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 18:04:25

OBAMA/GUMP

THE IDIOT DREAM TEAM

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Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 16:00:37

Hey, let’s go with that and send him of to Jupiter!

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:31:10

No, nobody in Jupiter did anything to me. Send him to Ormond Beach.

Better yet, to Jacksonville. They be a lotsa brothas needs Liberatin’ up there!

 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-07-20 19:08:27

Maybe he’ll tour San Quentin. Oops.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:41:35

He went to Disneyland. Now is he a mouse?

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:32:22

No, but he has a lot of Mickey Mouse ideas. And, while there, he was f***in’ Goofy!

 
 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-07-20 15:40:39

My beloved NoQuarter your formatting is off! The “Obama was born in two places” story is in the left column and the right. The older stories span the entire width of the page, instead of staying in their nice left-most column.

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 16:04:37

Something’s been off all day. The PUMA Politics for Dummies was on then off for a while then came back. Also a huge chunk of comments from a thread disappeared too.

 
 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-20 15:41:41

What is really interesting is that if you do a search in German for Siegessäule an interesting array of sites come up. Doesn’t seem to have the same militaristic overtones that obie seems to be looking for. Wonder just what obie is looking to convey.

http://www.siegessaeule.de/tt20.shtml

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-20 16:28:32

Andrew Sullivan would approve.

 
 

Comment by Cindie | 2008-07-20 15:43:47

Europeans haven’t drank the KOOL-AID!

 

Comment by chris | 2008-07-20 15:44:46

Someone asked this before but why the hell is he giving a speech anyway? Did someone in Germany ask him to? Did he just announce he was giving a little public talk, come one and all please, even though this isn’t my country. Why is he campaigning over there? McCain has gone overseas numerous times but didn’t give any big time public speeches to my knowledge. And this little publicity trip is supposed to give him foreign policy experience acccording to msm. Unfreakinbelievable!

Comment by csuzeq | 2008-07-20 16:03:21

He thinks that since he beat Hillary, he already is POTUS. Now he thinks he running for King of the world!

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-07-20 16:07:00

He’s still just a senator. No problem for him to go overseas to gather info, but he doesn’t represent the US to other countries. I don’t know if there’s a prescedent for this speech.

 
 

Comment by elise | 2008-07-20 17:08:13

I’m just making a wild guess here, Chris, but this probably has nothing to do with Europe or learning something about Foreign Policy. The polls have been showing a rising concern among American voters about his ability to be CIC. This is just another one of my own impressions, the idea for this trip is recent.

When a president travels to another country, there is extensive briefing in cooperation and assistance from some diplomat from the country. A sitting president has the full approval of the government of that country.

This is a photo op and has no official stamp of approval because he is campaigning and not yet the nominee of a Party and has not yet won the election. His campaign probably didn’t have the information it needed to make informed decisions about the protocol of the European countries. He had official status to travel to Iraq and Afghanistan as a US Senator traveling with other members of congress.

If he were President Elect, the reception would have been different and the planning better. Every news service in the world trotting after him cannot validate this trip. It is a farce providing more fodder for McCain and the Republicans. One Republican Advisor said recently, Obama is writing their attack ads for them. They won’t even have to spin. His campaign’s desperation to convince voters he is qualified is leading to blunders beyond belief. WTH other reason is there for going on a European tour in the middle of an election? And what about his wife? Is she not part of the image he is trying to project? This is a circus and I’m embarrased for him since he doesn’t seem to know he is making a fool of himself.

Comment by StrawberrybitesBarky | 2008-07-20 17:11:06

Great post. Actually it sort of seems like Barky is trying to cram for a final.

 
 
 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-07-20 15:44:53

Posted by: “Juan Cole”

Afghan parliamentarian has criticized one of the US presidential
candidates for his plan to deploy more troops in Afghanistan.
Elaborating on his foreign policy this week, Barack Obama said that as
president, he would send two more US combat brigades to the Afghan
theatre.According to a report (source indistinct) from Kabul, Afghan MP
Kabir Ranjbar asserted on Friday that increasing the number of US and
other foreign servicemen would not help Afghanistan at all.Wahid
Mozhda, another Afghan political observer, has also warned that the
Obama’s plan to deploy up to 10,000 additional troops will worsen the
situation in Afghanistan. This Afghan observer states according to this
plan, the US is trying to resolve the problem through military
measures, which is obviously not an effective strategy.

“The Obama’s”
The Moad’dib?

Fahim Dashti says sending additional US and
other foreign troops to Afghanistan will cause more problems in the
long term, because it may antagonize the people’s anti-American
feelings. The Afghan analyst accentuated that countries like the USA
should organize and equip the Afghan native forces, including the
national army and police, as soon as possible if they really want to
put an end to insecurity in Afghanistan.

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:37:27

>>> Barack Obama said that as president, he would send two more US combat brigades to the Afghan
theatre

Does anyone here besides me think that Ayres’ Lawn Jockey doesn’t know a combat brigade, much less what’s required to recruit, equip, train, move and support one from a bull’s ass?

 
 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-07-20 15:48:35

Oops. Apparently Obama isn’t a legend in Afganistan like he thinks he is. If foreign powers can see he is an idiot, isn’t it about time the rest of America does too?

NObama, ever.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:43:46

You know, I’ll bet he isn’t even a legend in Chicago.

 
 

Comment by Jackson Pearson | 2008-07-20 15:51:05

Just a thought. I wonder if Hussein faced the TUCC fives times a day, and rapped to Rev. Wright?

 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-07-20 15:53:04

Earlier I had posted under another diary about Obama only having held two jobs during school, citing FactCheck.org. The Obama folks have now found some new jobs he did — http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1064437,CST-NWS-sweet20.article Funny that they couldn’t come up with them before, for Annenberg’s Fact Check. I guess they didn’t like the little spot CNN did on it. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/07/19/mccain.obama.vs.facts.cnn

Besides being a telemarketer (how progressive) he also worked at a deli.

Now we know where he learned to dispense the baloney.

 

Comment by one eyed jack | 2008-07-20 15:54:22

Saul Alinsky taught social upheavel vis a vis civil disobedience, now Obama is expected to learn Foriegn Relations and maybe something about diplomacy in less than thirty days. LOL! Hell, he spent twenty years learning how to be a radical anti-american through his race/hate based initiatives church in Chicago.

 

Comment by kiki | 2008-07-20 15:55:36

I hope BO stays in Iraq!

Comment by one eyed jack | 2008-07-20 16:00:53

Would you really wish him on the Iraqis? They have enough problems as it is after Emperor GWB’s debacle at nation building.

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 18:10:27

Better there than here. Plus he has so many terrorist buddies. He can’t bring them all back to Chicago.

 
 
 

Comment by AJSHOPE | 2008-07-20 15:57:51

Wow… the DNC is horrible at unity…

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/top_democratic_official_sends.php

Dear Democratic Friends:

2008 is a Democratic year-at all levels in all the states. The opportunity is ours. We just have to seize it.

We experienced an exciting, intense, sometimes difficult, campaign to nominate our presidential candidate. Now it’s over. Barack Obama won.

I supported Hillary Clinton and am proud and pleased that I did. But she lost. Barack Obama won. It’s over.

It is time for all Democrats, supporters of Senator Clinton and all other contenders for the nomination, to stand with him to secure his election and the election of Democrats at all levels of competition.

I must confess a bit of fatigue and irritation with people who continue to carp, complain, and criticize the results of the primary and lay down conditions for their support. The Los Angeles Lakers didn’t establish conditions to recognize the Boston Celtics as NBA Champions; Roger Federer did not demand concessions before recognizing that Rafael Nadal defeated him at Wimbledon.

It is time to act in a mature and resourceful fashion. It’s time to put the primaries behind us. It’s time to support Barack Obama without conditions or demands.

It’s time to WIN for Barack Obama, the Democratic Party, America, and our future. We have an unparalleled opportunity. I hope we will all do everything we can to seize the moment.

See you at the Inauguration.

Sincerely,

Don Fowler
DNC Member At-Large, South Carolina
Former Chair of the Democratic National Committee

Alice Germond
Secretary, Democratic National Committee

Comment by NoBigotry even though my messiah Obama is a racist | 2008-07-20 16:07:42

Don Fowler and Alice Germond you both suck!

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-07-20 16:37:23

Nice job turning the troll name on its fuzzy head.

 
 
 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-07-20 15:58:25

Isn’t this trip somewhat like a field trip for a Foreign Policies 100 level class? Does Obama really believe that the American public will swallow it as he has foreign diplomacy experience now?

Obama is a huge embarrassment for America. Please, someone drop him off in Kenya where he belongs. Give him five bucks and no cell phone and let’s see if he can make it there.

On second thought…would we really care if he makes it or not? NO?

LOL

PUMA

Comment by Changebot 2.1 (now with 20% more hope!) | 2008-07-20 17:21:14

Ya don’t they need a community organizer there.

 
 

Comment by Anonymous | 2008-07-20 16:02:11

Oooooh so close. This article comes so close to “getting it” about Obama and why his campaign is something to be quite disturbed about.

Since it ultimately misses the point, let me spell it out for people. Obama is a type of neo-nazi. He has spent his entire life surrounding himself with race based nationalist….black supremacists. His economic policies are the most toxic socialism. Quite literally, he is a race obsessed national socialist….a nazi. Complete with all the propaganda, cult of personality and other techniques that are the hallmarks of fascism. The only difference is the race involved. But you can bet your ass that Obama and his backers have plans VERY similar to what Hitler had. This event Obama has planned is a very clear signal to other fascists the world over (in particular, the muslims…the old allies of the nazis) that a resurgence of fascism in the world is about to begin and Obama sees himself as the agent of that movement in America.

This represents a strong break in the democratic party, away from communism (the other evil that has contaminated that party in modern times). The two are old enemies and fascism USED to be the dominant influence for the democrats. Read the book “Liberal Fascism” for more info on the interplay of fascism and communism in the DNC for the last century or so.

What’s caused the pendulum to swing back towards race based national socialism? To be blunt, the complete failure of communism as a movement in the world. All the old communist states are pathetic failures so the DNC has switched sides again…ousting the old neo-communist guard in the process. In doing so, they have revitalized those zombies stupid enough to vote for them. That is the REAL reason behind Obama’s popularity….not the novelty of a first black President. Democratic voters want fascism/communism (really only two sides of the same coin). But most of all, they want to win, as a movement in the world, that is. And communism has proven itself a loser.

Obama will lose the election. But, mark my words, this fascist pattern of behavior among the dems will be back. Heaven help us all if the dems figure out that, by allying itself with white nationalism, and bringing the real racial issues in this country out into the open, they could win.

 

Comment by Mark | 2008-07-20 16:05:28

JFK: Ich bin ein Berliner
Obama: Ich bin ein dumkopf

Comment by one eyed jack | 2008-07-20 16:07:58

hmmmm i guesse so

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-20 16:21:23

RWR: Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
BHO: Mr. Reid, tear down this bill of rights!

 

Comment by Joe | 2008-07-20 21:53:11

Obama: Ich bin ein Idiot.

 
 

Comment by memyself&i | 2008-07-20 16:15:09

I guess the only criteria for location was one big enough for Obama’s ego.

 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-07-20 16:31:42

As for Krauthammer, there’s one scene that I think of every time he gets to spout on camera:

WALTER

Let me tell you something eles. I’ve seen a lot of spinals, Dude,and this guy is a fake. A fucking goldbricker.

He is crossing to Lebowski.

WALTER-
This guy fucking walks.I’ve never been more certain of anything in my life!

LEBOWSKI-Stay away from me, mister!

Walter reaches around from behind and hoists the big Lebowski out of the wheelchair by his armpits.

 

Comment by Bill Dupray | 2008-07-20 16:35:58

The Gaffe-a-thon Rolls On: Obama Expects to Be President “For the Next 8-10 Years”

http://patriotroom.com/?p=575

Comment by Joe | 2008-07-20 21:56:04

No problem if he declares martial law, intimidates Congress into submitting an amendment that eliminates term limits and then coerces the states into approving it.

 
 

Comment by goody2shoes | 2008-07-20 16:37:44

In addition to trying to indoctrinate the young through community service, he is using the print media to reach the young. He currently has at least one book for kids 10 and up. the title is Obama ‘A Promise of Change’ by David Mendell, adapted by Sarah L. Thompson. It was reviewed by the Chicago Sun Times on 6/29/08, by Deborah Abbott. I found the book in Borders Books in the childrens’ section.

The Boston Globe today in the Ideas Section under Shelf Life the coming ‘barrage’ of books for children and adults about BO.

Will these be required reading for us if should somehow get in office?

Comment by MEchelle Hates America! | 2008-07-20 18:18:46

Just for the Hitler Obama Youth of a certain age or intelligence level.

 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-07-21 06:25:32

I’ll home school in my bunker if this ass becomes potus

 
 

Comment by Alix | 2008-07-20 17:16:50

The cult around Obama really is quite scary.

Frankly, I found the comparisons to Hitler and the NSDAP quite apt.

Obamabots who don’t believe it ought to look at how they shun people who don’t buy into the BS Obama spurts out.

Comment by AnnieO | 2008-07-20 17:46:34

more pointedly, they need to look at how THEY are expected to defend him.

 
 

Comment by Elle | 2008-07-20 17:42:33

On the front page it says ” Germany meets the Superstar”
Having lived my childhood in Germany,I must say that
Germans don’t easily uplift anyone without merit and accomplishment.
Have already educated my stepfather on the Obama truth of deceit and empty promises.The Koolaid will not be swallowed there if I can help it.

Comment by AX10 | 2008-07-20 17:50:15

Der Speigel is a notorious left wing rag.
I expect them to hail Mr. Obama as the “second coming”.

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:49:03

I get a lot of my clothes from the speigal catalog. (bad jokes, my specialty)

 
 
 

Comment by Larse12 | 2008-07-20 17:42:36

Larry Sinclair found out who shut his website down.
Go over and take a look at the guy! Works for Microsoft!
http://larrysinclair0926.com/

 

Comment by Typical White Granny type | 2008-07-20 17:50:52

Here’s a thought:
Maybe this world tour is just a distraction for his real purpose.

To collect money for his campaign. You know the under the table stuff.

I mean, who searches the senators’ plane? Esp. if it lands in Chicago. Look for record campaign contributions in the coming weeks.

And like I said… just a thought

Comment by JR | 2008-07-20 19:49:42

Would not surprise me one bit.

 

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 20:07:22

Really, pay attention to the mailbag looking things being offloaded.

 
 

Comment by anna shane | 2008-07-20 18:08:59

he’s too quick off the mark? He needed to ask permission, something he hasn’t yet figured out. It’s disrespectful to assume you’ll be invited and just invite yourself, just like it’s disrespectful to claim victory before all the votes have been cast. And on the upper diary, the excuse of the press isn’t valid, you don’t get your facts from the media. He’s always a little too quick and he needs to stop and think before he speaks. Now that he has 300 foreign policy advisors and he’s getting tutorials, he can’t just pretend he wasn’t understood, one of the things advisors do is tell you what words mean to ordinary people, and help him make himself clear.

By the way, he and Malaki may be on the same page, because Barack gave himself wiggle room, said depending on stability, plus he hasn’t yet said he’d bring us all out, close all permanent bases, give back Bush’s contracts so that foreigners can ‘reap’ those ‘oil benefits’ that seem far from valuable considering how much has been paid out. and get diplomacy on board by not being the only game in town.

 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-07-20 18:13:13

Anyone remember Reagan at Bitburg?

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/06/intern ational/europe/06REAG.html

That has been regarded as one of the great blunders of Reagan’s presidency.

However, this venue also has the added cache of being the site of their annual Love (read exhibitionism) Parade, which is fine with me. I’m all for that stuff.

I think the biggest downside from this whole German debacle is that German politicians will regard him as having the same weight as George “backrub” Bush. Why lightweight? His failure to talk with German politicians before announcing he was speaking at the Brandenburg Gate will be seen as a sign of arrogance and amateurishness. Anyone who knows anything about foreign policy understands that there is a high level of protocol.

Is Obama astute enough not to suggest to a Muslim leader that they go have a beer together?

 

Comment by hootnannie | 2008-07-20 18:13:31

Senator, you are no Jesse Owens either.
And maybe you could be truthful for once and say, “Ich bin ein Kanadier.” Sans your real birth certificate, a lot of us are going to suspect this is true!

 

Comment by Woman Voter | 2008-07-20 18:23:04

Comment by uppity woman | 2008-07-20 15:16:59

Hell I’ve traveled more than he has–and stayed longer too. I must have credentials.
……………………………

AMEN! I vote for you on the international experience… :-)

 

Comment by kat in your hat | 2008-07-20 18:34:00

Another embarrassment.

 

Comment by NURSERATCHET | 2008-07-20 18:37:08

PRO-OBAMA NIGERIAN WEB HOST TRIES TO SHUT LARRY SINCLAIR BLOG DOWN……..THUG TACTICS AGAIN! WHY ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF LARRY? http://larrysinclair0926.com/?p=530#comments

Comment by mahaska | 2008-07-20 19:50:58

Ah Nigeria,land of the email scam.

 
 

Comment by lmv | 2008-07-20 18:43:20

According to Ben @ Politico, the cover is a take-off on the German version of American Idol. “Germany meets the superstar.” The cover seems to be sarcastic. (Oh, no! I hope it’s not SATIRE!!!)

There’s a perfect German word for all this: Schadenfreude.

(Taking pleasure in another’s misfortune. Like laughing at the German press mocking The One’s audacity …)

Comment by Fred C. Dobbs | 2008-07-21 02:57:07

Or Amerika’s gullibility inherent in our omission.

Germans would have run this POS down the road about a year ago.

 
 

Comment by Ferdberfle | 2008-07-20 19:01:14

Oblahblah apparently has no shame. He is strutting around like a bantam rooster, all cockadoodle and no do. God help this country if he is (s)elected.

 

Comment by calindi | 2008-07-20 23:57:00

my german 101’s a bit rusty, but doesn’t the Der Spiegel cover really say “Jesus Christ, Superstar”?!!!

 

Comment by Marissa | 2008-07-21 06:25:58

“Other sources in the article mention that this place plays absolutly no role politically, because it’s shape of a phallus makes it a favored place for throwing partys of the homosexual community.”

That explains the gayface.

 

Comment by Katmoon | 2008-07-21 06:29:29

Off Topic, but an FYI
From the Denver Group
Marc Rubin and Heidi Li Feldman’s scheduled interview with Morning Q radio, Interview scheduled for Monday July 21, 2008 from 10:15-10:45.
thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/

PUMA
Pass it On

 

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Comment by Tamara | 2008-07-21 18:13:39

Europeans are a lot more astute when it comes to their politics.
They know that Obama is only a candidate and is using the trip for political expedience , therefore they won’t be buying into this hyped up media circus.
Thanks to Angela Merkel and the majority of the german public, Obama will not be allowed to exploit
the Brandenburg Gate for his ego driven political campaign.
Obama is arrogant and has been able to fool a lot of people.
It is long over due to apply more scrutiny to this man , he is an empty suit.!!

 

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