Comments on: Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (Updated) http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:32:38 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: john http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-492192 john Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:31:04 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-492192 What the hell is the USA doing in Afghanistan anyway? The supposed War on Terrorism is a War of Terrorism, with millions of innocent Afghanistanis dead - GENOCIDE...according to UNICEF figures. In fact, the USA led invasion and occupation of Afghanistan has resulted in more infant and adult deaths than Jews killed by the Nazis during the Holocaust. 20% of the Afghanistan population support the USA there. What is the objective? Kill off the other 80%? No, bring the troops home from Iraq AND Afghanistan. The USA can no longer afford to pay $10 billion dollars a week for a war in Afghanistan and Iraq. We have problems here at home, we don't need innocents (for every supposed terrorist in Afghanistan killed 30 civilians die)mass murdered( massive complaints by Afghanistani civilians are registered against US Military which has outright acknowledged that they 'regretably' have killed civilians). And the incredibly slimy sinister detention centers in Afghanistan run by the military and CIA are much like the Abu Ghraib facility with allegations of torture and other inhumane perverted treatment of prisoners. Give me back my country the United States of America and hold accountable this administration under Bush and Cheney that are war criminals and should be tried and dealt with like Hitler and Saddam. DON'T LET OBAMA BECOME THE NEXT HEIR TO THE BUSH WAR REGIME! Thousands of vets of Iraq and Afghanistan know the real situation and the slaughter taking place over there in Iraq and Afghanistan...we don't want anymore innocent blood on our flag! What the hell is the USA doing in Afghanistan anyway? The supposed War on Terrorism is a War of Terrorism, with millions of innocent Afghanistanis dead –
GENOCIDE…according to UNICEF figures.

In fact, the USA led invasion and occupation of Afghanistan has resulted in more infant and adult deaths than Jews killed by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

20% of the Afghanistan population support the USA there. What is the objective? Kill off the other 80%?

No, bring the troops home from Iraq AND Afghanistan. The USA can no longer afford to pay $10 billion dollars a week for a war in Afghanistan and Iraq. We have problems here at home, we don’t need innocents (for every supposed terrorist in Afghanistan killed 30 civilians die)mass murdered( massive complaints by Afghanistani civilians are registered against US Military which has outright acknowledged that they ‘regretably’ have killed civilians). And the incredibly slimy sinister detention centers in Afghanistan run by the military and CIA are much like the Abu Ghraib facility with allegations of torture and other inhumane perverted treatment of prisoners.

Give me back my country the United States of America and hold accountable this administration under Bush and Cheney that are war criminals and should be tried and dealt with like Hitler and Saddam.

DON’T LET OBAMA BECOME THE NEXT HEIR TO THE BUSH WAR REGIME!

Thousands of vets of Iraq and Afghanistan know the real situation and the slaughter taking place over there in Iraq and Afghanistan…we don’t want anymore innocent blood on our flag!

]]> By: Hillary Democrats United » Blog Archive » Campaign Updates for 7/22/08 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-487988 Hillary Democrats United » Blog Archive » Campaign Updates for 7/22/08 Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:04:58 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-487988 [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (by Larry Johnson, former CIA, former State Department, and a security expert, at No Quarter) The ignorance and stupidity displayed by both aspiring presidential candidates when it comes to devising a policy for Afghanistan is shocking. Apparently, McCain has adopted the “policy” of Barack… Both come to [the] crazy prescription [of taking troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan]… But is the problem in Afghanistan caused by too few troops? Not necessarily. The fundamental problem is there is no single chain of command and strategic focus… Then there is the terrain. The mountains and valleys of Afghanistan limit ground and air assets. We enjoy far less freedom of movement in Afghanistan. All of this means that any troops we deploy to Afghanistan require different training and different tactics… [N]either Obama or McCain seemed to have grasped the nuances and difficulties facing us in putting together a credible, sustainable campaign to defeat the Taleban. [...] [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (by Larry Johnson, former CIA, former State Department, and a security expert, at No Quarter) The ignorance and stupidity displayed by both aspiring presidential candidates when it comes to devising a policy for Afghanistan is shocking. Apparently, McCain has adopted the “policy” of Barack… Both come to [the] crazy prescription [of taking troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan]… But is the problem in Afghanistan caused by too few troops? Not necessarily. The fundamental problem is there is no single chain of command and strategic focus… Then there is the terrain. The mountains and valleys of Afghanistan limit ground and air assets. We enjoy far less freedom of movement in Afghanistan. All of this means that any troops we deploy to Afghanistan require different training and different tactics… [N]either Obama or McCain seemed to have grasped the nuances and difficulties facing us in putting together a credible, sustainable campaign to defeat the Taleban. [...]

]]> By: sakel http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486874 sakel Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:57:15 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486874 An eyopener, Larry. Thanks for the great read! Now will Mr. McFumble and Mr. McStumble take a snore and a snort and retire while the DNC comes to its senses and democratically nominates the only competent presidential candidate who can do the job! Then perhaps ObaMyopia can send his anorexic resume to a rapper-wannabe competition and Sen. McCain can recall what he said to Tim Russert (Meet the Press) back in 2005 in Baghdad about Hillary: "I have no doubt in my mind that Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a great President" -- Sen. John McCain.... Thank you, Sen. McCain. Now will Hillary Agonistes come back to us please! Go Pumas, roar! An eyopener, Larry. Thanks for the great read!

Now will Mr. McFumble and Mr. McStumble take a snore and a snort and retire while the DNC comes to its senses and democratically nominates the only competent presidential candidate who can do the job!

Then perhaps ObaMyopia can send his anorexic resume to a rapper-wannabe competition and Sen. McCain can recall what he said to Tim Russert (Meet the Press) back in 2005 in Baghdad about Hillary:

“I have no doubt in my mind that Sen. Hillary Clinton will make a great President” — Sen. John McCain….

Thank you, Sen. McCain. Now will Hillary Agonistes come back to us please!

Go Pumas, roar!

]]> By: paraskeve http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486869 paraskeve Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:50:35 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486869 Yes, Tricia...both these men are scary....check out CYNTHIA McKINNEY, GREEN CANDIDATE.... At least she's estrogen-fueled and her wits haven't left her yet altho they may be a bit to the left of the Manchurian Candidate BHO! Black Blogosphere is abuzin with anti-Obama commentary and check out Brothahaneef's Obama = Death of Black nationalism Black americans turning against Precious Obama, at last!!! GREAT STUFF, LARRY! Yes, Tricia…both these men are scary….check out CYNTHIA McKINNEY, GREEN CANDIDATE….
At least she’s estrogen-fueled and her wits haven’t left her yet altho they may be a bit to the left of the Manchurian Candidate BHO!

Black Blogosphere is abuzin with anti-Obama commentary and check out Brothahaneef’s

Obama = Death of Black nationalism

Black americans turning against Precious Obama, at last!!!

GREAT STUFF, LARRY!

]]> By: memi http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486867 memi Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:46:29 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-486867 HILLARY AGONISTES! WHERE ART THOU? YOU ARE NEEDED FOR ACTION IN THE FIELD....NOW!!! HILLARY, COME BACK BEFORE THESE TWO MORONS, MCSTUMBLE AND MCFUMBLE DESTROY WHATEVER'S LEFT STANDING IN IRAQ, AFGANISTAN...OR U.S. MCCAVE AND OBAMYOPIA MAKE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY LOOK NOT GREEN BUT ....ALMOST PRESIDENTIAL!!! HILLARY, CAN YOU HEAR THE PUMAS ROARrrrr? HILLARY AGONISTES! WHERE ART THOU?

YOU ARE NEEDED FOR ACTION IN THE FIELD….NOW!!!

HILLARY, COME BACK BEFORE THESE TWO MORONS, MCSTUMBLE AND MCFUMBLE DESTROY WHATEVER’S LEFT STANDING IN IRAQ, AFGANISTAN…OR U.S.

MCCAVE AND OBAMYOPIA MAKE CYNTHIA MCKINNEY LOOK NOT GREEN BUT ….ALMOST PRESIDENTIAL!!!

HILLARY, CAN YOU HEAR THE PUMAS ROARrrrr?

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485803 Karma Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:11:55 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485803 oops...Grand Chessboard.... oops…Grand Chessboard….

]]> By: Karma http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485795 Karma Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:10:23 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485795 Obama's advisor Zbig literally wrote the book...'The Grandchess Board'. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465027261/qid=1098564728/sr=2-2/ref=pd_ka_b_2_2/102-5136684-6309758 Here is a page with some quotes from it... http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard Obama’s advisor Zbig literally wrote the book…’The Grandchess Board’.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465027261/qid=1098564728/sr=2-2/ref=pd_ka_b_2_2/102-5136684-6309758

Here is a page with some quotes from it…

http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard

]]> By: ritamary http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485452 ritamary Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:39:11 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485452 Wasn't the invasion of Afghanistan supposed to be about 9/11 and holding Al Qaeda responsible? Bringing Bin Laden to justice in an international court was just a terrible idea according to the Bush regime. We had to have a military invasion. Then we had to invade Iraq also, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now we are bogged down in those two countries with no end in sight. Our economy is trashed, we are in debt like never before in our history. No recent mention of Osama bin Laden what so ever. Does anyone seriously believe BO has the remotest idea what to do about all these problems? Does anyone know what his plans are? Does he know what his plans are? There is no way around it that we are seriously screwed if Obama becomes president. We are still screwed with McCain also, but at least the Democratic Congress might provide some oversight on McCain, as the Constitution requires them to do. Wasn’t the invasion of Afghanistan supposed to be about 9/11 and holding Al Qaeda responsible? Bringing Bin Laden to justice in an international court was just a terrible idea according to the Bush regime. We had to have a military invasion.

Then we had to invade Iraq also, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Now we are bogged down in those two countries with no end in sight. Our economy is trashed, we are in debt like never before in our history. No recent mention of Osama bin Laden what so ever.

Does anyone seriously believe BO has the remotest idea what to do about all these problems? Does anyone know what his plans are? Does he know what his plans are? There is no way around it that we are seriously screwed if Obama becomes president.

We are still screwed with McCain also, but at least the Democratic Congress might provide some oversight on McCain, as the Constitution requires them to do.

]]> By: It’s Katie Couric’s Turn to Interview Obama Tonight : NO QUARTER http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485044 It’s Katie Couric’s Turn to Interview Obama Tonight : NO QUARTER Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:53:41 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-485044 [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (Updated) [...] [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (Updated) [...]

]]> By: ksclematis http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484994 ksclematis Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:57 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484994 No wonder I can't sleep at night....I read too much of this stuff!!!! No wonder I can’t sleep at night….I read too much of this stuff!!!!

]]> By: Hillary’s Voice » Campaign Updates for 7/22/08 http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484920 Hillary’s Voice » Campaign Updates for 7/22/08 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:17:00 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484920 [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (by Larry Johnson, former CIA, former State Department, and a security expert, at No Quarter) The ignorance and stupidity displayed by both aspiring presidential candidates when it comes to devising a policy for Afghanistan is shocking. Apparently, McCain has adopted the “policy” of Barack… Both come to [the] crazy prescription [of taking troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan]… But is the problem in Afghanistan caused by too few troops? Not necessarily. The fundamental problem is there is no single chain of command and strategic focus… Then there is the terrain. The mountains and valleys of Afghanistan limit ground and air assets. We enjoy far less freedom of movement in Afghanistan. All of this means that any troops we deploy to Afghanistan require different training and different tactics… [N]either Obama or McCain seemed to have grasped the nuances and difficulties facing us in putting together a credible, sustainable campaign to defeat the Taleban. [...] [...] Obama and McCain Clueless on Afghanistan (by Larry Johnson, former CIA, former State Department, and a security expert, at No Quarter) The ignorance and stupidity displayed by both aspiring presidential candidates when it comes to devising a policy for Afghanistan is shocking. Apparently, McCain has adopted the “policy” of Barack… Both come to [the] crazy prescription [of taking troops from Iraq and sending them to Afghanistan]… But is the problem in Afghanistan caused by too few troops? Not necessarily. The fundamental problem is there is no single chain of command and strategic focus… Then there is the terrain. The mountains and valleys of Afghanistan limit ground and air assets. We enjoy far less freedom of movement in Afghanistan. All of this means that any troops we deploy to Afghanistan require different training and different tactics… [N]either Obama or McCain seemed to have grasped the nuances and difficulties facing us in putting together a credible, sustainable campaign to defeat the Taleban. [...]

]]> By: Don S http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484563 Don S Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:36:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484563 I read the article and comments on Afghanistan and end up very confused about what is really going on and who has a grip on the situation. The comments remind me of the old story about several blind men describing an elephant, each one touching a different part of the elephant. Seems the leading candidates don't have a clue, and the intelligence community seems to muddle things as usual I don't know how to make any intelligent comment on the situation since I am totally in the dark about what is really going on or what kind of policy the US should be pursuing there. The candidates seem to be mainly posturizing for political gain. And what is the Senate Foreign Relations Committee doing, if anything? I tend to agree with the guy who said 2 or 3 brigades is not going to be enough to make a difference. I think NATO or the UN should be dealing with this problem. I hate to see the US getting more and more involved in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Maybe we should just let the Arabs deal with their own problems and border disputes. We don't really have a grasp on how they think, their border disputes, and their endless tribal wars. Do we have to solve all the world's problems? Seems like more American arrogance that alienates us further from so much of the world. I really don't think more troops, more bombs, bigger weapons, and more killing is the answer. Are we tooling up for World War III? Perhaps. I read the article and comments on Afghanistan and end up very confused about what is really going on and who has a grip on the situation. The comments remind me of the old story about several blind men describing an elephant, each one touching a different part of the elephant. Seems the leading candidates don’t have a clue, and the intelligence community seems to muddle things as usual I don’t know how to make any intelligent comment on the situation since I am totally in the dark about what is really going on or what kind of policy the US should be pursuing there. The candidates seem to be mainly posturizing for political gain. And what is the Senate Foreign Relations Committee doing, if anything? I tend to agree with the guy who said 2 or 3 brigades is not going to be enough to make a difference. I think NATO or the UN should be dealing with this problem. I hate to see the US getting more and more involved in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Maybe we should just let the Arabs deal with their own problems and border disputes. We don’t really have a grasp on how they think, their border disputes, and their endless tribal wars. Do we have to solve all the world’s problems? Seems like more American arrogance that alienates us further from so much of the world. I really don’t think more troops, more bombs, bigger weapons, and more killing is the answer. Are we tooling up for World War III? Perhaps.

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484514 Mr.Murder Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:19:36 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484514 Keep in mind that any plan given, has to come with the tacit understanding that <em>it is an Iraqi plan</em>. Saying it is from anyone else would offend the sense of sovereignty such plans need to gain legitmate backing in the country. Keep in mind that any plan given, has to come with the tacit understanding that it is an Iraqi plan. Saying it is from anyone else would offend the sense of sovereignty such plans need to gain legitmate backing in the country.

]]> By: Mr.Murder http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484502 Mr.Murder Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:15:56 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484502 Yes, he's tap dancing on mine fields when he casually throws a campaign pitch across meeting people who really need to keep much of their western contact limited from media hype. You time aid announcements, etc. around the perception of those leaders and any assumed electoral impact as well. By pouring fuel onto the fire he might be making the worst course of action into the only choice. When someone's drowing, throw 'em an anchor. Navy saying, from the old school. Think McCain could make the comparison on that inexperienced moment? Yes, he’s tap dancing on mine fields when he casually throws a campaign pitch across meeting people who really need to keep much of their western contact limited from media hype.

You time aid announcements, etc. around the perception of those leaders and any assumed electoral impact as well.

By pouring fuel onto the fire he might be making the worst course of action into the only choice.

When someone’s drowing, throw ‘em an anchor. Navy saying, from the old school. Think McCain could make the comparison on that inexperienced moment?

]]> By: Johnny at Work http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484222 Johnny at Work Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:51:48 +0000 http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/21/obama-and-mccain-clueless-on-afghanistan/#comment-484222 Even I knew what you meant. I knew what McCain meant when he said it. We all have slips of the tongue. It's what we call NORMAL. Slips of the tongue should not be mistaken for real idiocy. Is McCain a slip of the tongue or an idiot? Is Obama a slip of the tongue, or just an Idiot? Answer that honestly and you will know who to vote for. Even I knew what you meant.

I knew what McCain meant when he said it.

We all have slips of the tongue. It’s what we call NORMAL. Slips of the tongue should not be mistaken for real idiocy.

Is McCain a slip of the tongue or an idiot?

Is Obama a slip of the tongue, or just an Idiot?

Answer that honestly and you will know who to vote for.

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