McCain’s New TV Ad
By SusanUnPC on July 26, 2008 at 8:25 PM in Afghanistan, Barack Obama, Iraq, John McCain, Soldiers/Veterans
I hear that McCain is running this ad in Colorado and perhaps some other states. This blog hasn’t endorsed John McCain, but this ad is worth watching because it points to the issues that Obama will face if he is the Democratic nominee:
Script and Facts from the McCain campaign:
Script For “Troops” (TV :30)
Anncr: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan.
He hadn’t been to Iraq in years.
He voted against funding our troops.
And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops.
Seems the Pentagon wouldn’t allow him to bring cameras.
John McCain is always there for our troops.
McCain. Country first.
John McCain: I’m John McCain and I approve this message.
AD FACTS: Script For “Troops” (TV :30)
ANNCR: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan.
· Barack Obama: “I became Chairman of this committee at the beginning of this campaign, at the beginning of 2007. So it is true that we haven’t had oversight hearings on Afghanistan.” (MSNBC Democratic Presidential Debate, 2/26/08)
ANNCR: He hadn’t been to Iraq in years.
· The New York Times: Barack Obama Had Not Been To Iraq For Over 900 Days. “For months, Senator John McCain and other Republicans have been criticizing Senator Barack Obama for not having visited Iraq in a long time, even running a daily tally that is now well past 900 days.” (Larry Rohter, “A Mixed Take By McCain Camp On Obama’s Trip To War Zones,” The New York Times, 7/19/08)
ANNCR: He voted against funding our troops.
· Barack Obama Voted Against Providing $94.4 Billion In Critical Funding For The Troops In Iraq And Afghanistan. (H.R. 2206, CQ Vote #181: Passed 80-14: R 42-3; D 37-10; I 1-1, 5/24/07, Obama Voted Nay)
ANNCR: And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops. Seems the Pentagon wouldn’t allow him to bring cameras.
· Barack Obama Cancelled A Planned Visit To Ramstein And Landstuhl In Germany. “SPIEGEL ONLINE has learned that Obama has cancelled a planned short visit to the Rammstein and Landstuhl US military bases in the southwest German state of Rhineland-Palatinate. The visits were planned for Friday. Barack Obama will not be coming to us,’ a spokesperson for the US military hospital in Landstuhl announced. I don’t know why.’ Shortly before the same spokeswoman had announced a planned visit by Obama.” (Der Spiegel Website, http://www.spiegel.de, Accessed 7/24/08)
· Obama Senior Strategist David Axelrod Said The Pentagon Told The Campaign That Barack Obama “Should Not Come.” “Though the Rammstein visit had been planned for days, Obama senior strategist David Axelrod said that that Pentagon notified an Obama military advisor only yesterday or the day before that he should not come. The Pentagon ‘viewed this as a campaign event and therefore they said he should not come,’ Axelrod said. Obama has been at the base in previous overseas trips. He visited with troops–even played basketball–when he touched down in Kuwait during the Iraq and Afghanistan leg of his swing.” (Lynn Sweet, “Pentagon Tells Obama Not To Visit U.S. Troops At German Base Because It Would Be Too Political,” Chicago Sun Times’ “Sweet” Blog, http://blogs.suntimes.com, Posted 7/25/08)
· “The [Military] Official Said ‘We Didn’t Know Why’ Th e Request To Visit The Wounded Troops Was Withdrawn. ‘He (Obama) Was More Than Welcome. We Were All Ready For Him.” (Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube, “What’s Not On Obama’s Schedule…” MSNBC’s “First Read,”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com, Posted 7/24/08)
· Military “Prepared To Accommodate Obama’s Traveling Press And Campaign Staff At The Passenger Terminal At Ramstein Air Base.” “Morrell said the U.S. military was prepared to accommodate Obama’s traveling press and campaign staff at the passenger terminal at Ramstein Air Base, the U.S. Air Force base in southern Germany where Obama’s plane had been cleared to land.” (Michael Finnegan And Peter Spiegel, “Obama’s Cancellation Of A Military Hospital Visit Leaves Unanswered Questions,” Los Angeles Times’ “Top Of The Ticket” Blog, 7/25/08)
· Defense Department Press Secretary Geoff Morrell: “Sen. Obama is more than welcome to visit Landstuhl or any other military hospital around the world. … But he has to do so, just as any other senator has to do so, in his official capacity. It is not acceptable to do so as a candidate.” (Michael Finnegan And Peter Spiegel, “Obama’s Cancellation Of A Military Hospital Visit Leaves Unanswered Questions,” Los Angeles Times’ “Top Of The Ticket” Blog, 7/25/08)
· Defense Department: “But The Pentagon Certainly Did Not Tell The Senator That He Could Not Visit Landstuhl.” “Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters later Friday the Pentagon did not explicitly say Obama should not visit the base, but was concerned with whether his capacity there would be one of a presidential candidate, not a senator. ‘We do have certain policy guidelines for political campaigns and elections. And what is appropriate and what is not appropriate in those situations. But the Pentagon certainly did not tell the senator that he could not visit Landstuhl,’ Whitman said.” (Alexander Mooney And Sasha Johnson, “Pentagon Was Concerned With Obama Visit To Hospital,” CNN’s “Political Ticker” Blog, 7/25/08)
· Obama Campaign Explanation “Didn’t Square With The Defense Department Explanation.” “On Obama’s flight from Berlin to Paris, Gibbs offered more details. Around July 15, the Pentagon approved Obama’s visit. But military officials later invoked a rule on political activity at military bases and questioned whether it would cover Obama’s visit, Gibbs said. Obama spokesmen said they were seeking clarification on what the rule is. Gibbs also declined to speculate on why the Pentagon did not cite the rule until Wednesday. That account, however, didn’t square with the Defense Department’s explanation. The Pentagon said it informed the Obama campaign on Monday that he and his Senate staff could visit Landstuhl, where wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan are treated, but that no press would be allowed.” (Michael Finnegan And Peter Spiegel, “Obama’s Cancellation Of A Military Hospital Visit Leaves Unanswered Questions,” Los Angeles Times ‘ “Top Of The Ticket” Blog, 7/25/08)
· The Pentagon Reportedly Informed Obama That He And His Senate Staff Were Permitted To Visit Landstuhl, But “No Press Would Be Allowed” In Military Base. “The Pentagon said it informed the Obama campaign on Monday that he and his Senate staff could visit Landstuhl, where wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan are treated, but that no press would be allowed.” (Michael Finnegan And Peter Spiegel, “Obama’s Cancellation Of A Military Hospital Visit Leaves Unanswered Questions,” Los Angeles Times’ “Top Of The Ticket” Blog, 7/25/08)
· Barack Obama “Would Not Have Been Able To Address The Media Or Make Any Campaign-Related Statements.” “A memo sent out Wednesday from Undersecretary of Defense David Chu explained that Obama’s visit to such a military facility would be limited under these circumstances. Obama would not have been able to bring any of his campaign staff — only one Senate staffer and security. He also would not have been able to address the media or make any campaign-related statements.” (”Obama Camp: Visit To Troops Would Have Seemed Too Political,” Fox News, 7/25/08)
· Before His Thursday Speech, Barack Obama Went To The Ritz Carlton To Work Out While In Berlin. “Still, Obama, just like George W. Bush in the 2000 election, managed to squeeze in his workout time despite a heavy schedule of high-level meetings with government officials and his big speech at the Siegessule, or Victory Column, around 7 p.m. Berlin time. ‘4:49 p.m.: Obama enters the luxury Ritz Carlton hotel wearing a T-shirt, black sweatpants and white trainers — apparently to work out in the hotel’s gym. He kept up the campaigning on the way there, smiling and waving at tourists and other onlookers,’ the breathless Spiegel ticker reported.” (Jill Zuckman, “Barack Obama Gets A Workout At Ritz Gym,” Chicago Tribune’s “Swamp” Blog, http://www.swamppolitics.com , Posted 7/24/08)
· After His Thursday Speech, Barack Obama Joined His Campaign Staff And The Press Corps For A Martini At A Berlin Restaurant. “After the speech was over, the candidate, in a celebratory mood, joined his campaign staff — and the press corps traveling with him — for dinner and a very dry vodka martini with olives at a downtown Berlin restaurant.” (Karen Tumulty, “Obama Urges Unity In Berlin,” Time, www.time.com, 7/24/08)
· Barack Obama Said That He Was Going To Have Some “Down Time” In Berlin And That He “Would Love To Tour A Little Bit.” “Obama noted that in a break from his whirlwind schedule, ‘we’ve got some down time tonight. What are you guys gonna do in Berlin? Huh? Huh? You guys got any big. plans? I’ve never been to Berlin, so…I would love to tour around a little bit.’” (Jake Tapper, “Obama On Tonight’s Berlin Speech: “A Crapshoot”,” ABC News’ “Political Punch” Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, Posted 7/24/08)
JOHN MCCAIN: I’m John McCain and I approve this message.
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He could have worked out in a gym at the hospital with recovering wounded–gotten his exercise and talked to troups at the same time. The military did its own press shots of him in Iraq and Afghan–bet that would have happened at the hospital too. Guess that martini was more important.
Perhaps he doesn’t want the bad press of hanging out with damaged soldiers to find they get stop lossed 3 months later?
Perhaps he didn’t want them to see how fake he is. He hasn’t got a heart to show (just a rubber pump and a recorder repeating the words change). He probably doesn’t want to tell him that he is sending them all directly to Afghanistan.
Probably. Without his own entourage following, surrounding, and distracting him he wouldn’t have been able to use the excuse, “Just a minute, Sweetie, we’ll get to that in a minute.” when asked any questions.
Probably just to go to Afghanistan … you know, the country whose concerns are covered by the committee he’s been too busy touring …. oooops, campaigning to convene? You’re shameless, aren’t you?
Technically, Obama’s subcommittee is European affairs, which indirectly would cover NATO relations, which would in turn lead to discussions of NATO involvement in Afhganistan.
The key here, whether or not you believe the full committee chair, is that Obama didn’t even *try* to have any hearing … ever.
Let’s face it. The Ritz has a nicer gym. He could get a massage, hang out in the sauna, order a smoothie and some hot tea.
Maybe he has some friends waiting for him in the locker rooms.
The German blogger girl cooing about how manly he was was a bit over the top.
Obama could’ve visited the gym at Ramstein, got a massage there, a smoothie, swam in the pool, used the sauna, spoken with GI’s or had a few selected to keep him company, accomodations could’ve been made, just no cameras or press. What’s the biggie? He doesn’t like the American Military!
Obama is a horrible man. Oh, did I say man, I meant baby. He won’t go see the troops unless the images are plastered all over the news but he is happy to work out at the gym and have everyone take his picture. Disgusting maggot. How is he even a candidate? Oh, I remember, because the DNC rigged the primary. Well, you reap what you so.
Hey,
At least Obama didn’t stand on a aircraft carrier and shout: “Mission Accomplished”.
Also with all this talk about war and troops it seems strange that the US isn’t actually legally at war.
Is it war? Is it the great not-war to end all not-wars?
Don’t justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. Bad behavior is bad, period. Bush was wrong, so what? He isn’t running for president. Stop trying to divert attention from the atrocious behavior demonstrated by Barack. He didn’t care about the troops. He doesn’t care about the troops. He only cares about himself and his image. He is despicable.
Oh, and by the way, declarations of war are no longer made. Duh. If we took your approach we haven’t been at war since World War II. Get real. We are at war, there was a declaration for the use of force. Obamabots are not reading up on things that they are talking about.
Well Duh! Last time I checked there was one country that started most of them as well and had the biggest state funded arms industry on earth, but pledged to hate socialism!
The United States didn’t start the Korean War, the Soviet Union and North Korea did.
The United States didn’t start the Vietnam War, the Vietnamese did by attacking ships and hurting American interests.
The United States didn’t start the Gulf War, Saddam Hussein did by invading Kuwait and attacked our interests.
The United States didn’t start the war in Bosnia.
The United States didn’t start the war in Afghanistan, the Taliban and its harboring of Osama Bin Laden did.
The United States didn’t start the war in Iraq per se, Saddam Hussein did by violating the agreement formulated after the first Gulf War. The agreement stipulated that a state of war may commence if it were broken.
By the way, the United States doesn’t own the arms companies, it does business with them. China owns its arms companies. Get real. Boeing doesn’t just work for the government, it makes planes for the Saudis, etc. Most defense contractors make military equipment for many countries. Your argument is bogus.
From wikipedia:
Which according to you gets spent buying puppies and love bombs as opposed to funding US (and allied) arms companies?
You stated that it is government-owned. It isn’t. It is private enterprise making weaponry that the government purchases. Your argument about socialism falls flat.
No I never stated the companies were government owned. I suggested it was socialism. They may technically be private companies but they are restricted in competing in an open market because their markets are restricted.
A (hypothetical company) Bland Widget Inc. can sell it’s widgets to any person world wide and makes money where ever it is competitive, much of that money coming from world wide governments because they have a mighty need for widgets. Super Big Nasty Nukes Inc. is heavily restricted to who it can sell to because the US government (whilst not owning the company) will steal it’s assets if it sells to the wrong person. Most of it’s contacts are with the US government or it’s allies.
Not quite state socialism but something so close to a rose probably still smells just as sweet
Look up socialism. What that is is regulation, something you lefties love. Besides, do you want Super Nasty Nukes selling nukes to super nasty terrorists countries? Certain items sold by the companies are restricted for export, i.e. secret technology, nuclear weapons, etc. Besides, we couldn’t allow the sale of nuclear weapons anyway. These companies are free to sell rockets, airplanes, satellites, etc. That isn’t socialism. Socialism would be if the government owned Nasty Nukes and told them how many airplanes to make for domestic airlines, how much they should pay their employees, etc.
Besides, with all the crazies in the world, how would you like for the government to get weaponry? Oh, or are you one of those people that thinks we should defend ourselves with sticks or plead with terrorists not to detonate dirty bombs?
So I’m a leftie? Funny, because I thought I was making an argument for a free market, but according to you the market for some things can’t be free:
And for the record your statement:
Is patently false. I’m pretty sure that even domestically you need some pretty heavily government approval to sell most of these things (and in the case of satellites to even sell high res images to the wrong parties)
I’m willing to concede that the world would be a chaotic unknown place if these restrictions weren’t made, but to make these government restrictions and then use government funds to flood the restricted market is highly questionable (and if socialism isn’t the closest metaphor to whats going on that I think fascism is the only other contender).
Amd I’ve just Godwined the thread, yet still stand by my statement.
No. Lefties always argue over the size of our military, blah blah blah. I like free markets when it comes to consumer goods but when it comes to machinery that could destroy cities, maybe there should be some regulation.
I don’t think you need government approval to purchase an airplane. People purchase them all the time. Companies purchase satellites all the time. Even if you do need government approval, its mostly to make sure you aren’t purchasing the equipment for nefarious purposes. Satellites need rockets to get into space, thus they sell rockets.
As for flooding the restricted market, so. We need equipment to protect the country. The military needs the equipment. If the government purchases it what is wrong with that? Besides, maybe the government needs to spend a little more. We have ancient aircraft falling apart in the air, is that what you want? Out here in Tucson, the DM base is filled with ancient airplanes needing to be repaired because the government is too busy paying Jojo’s welfare and can’t afford to replace them. The purpose of government, regardless what the lefties want you to believe is to:
Ensure domestic security
Ensure domestic prosperity
Ensure domestic liberties
Not give people free stuff. The security thing is where the defense contractors come in. I think we agree on more then we disagree but I think you are more of a Libertarian than a left. Anyway, I don’t we are going to agree on the military.
Domestic security: government has invaded two soverign nations in the last 7 years, killed more civilians than the forces they are opposing in both countries and only succeeded in helping their economies when they have encouraged local drug lords. Some how this helps stop crazy suicide bombers rather than encourage them. (I won’t even bother getting into the state sponsored torture)
Domestic prosperity: Created a housing loan bubble via federal legislation, prolonged the bubble by using citizens money to bail out corporate interests. The dollar is now worth 50% less against most other currencies than 10 years ago.
Domestic liberties: The government has routinely spied on US citizens without warrant and passed retro active immunity to justify the process.
And how is any of this about Obama, Hillary or McCain? Because while Obama may be slightly less ingrained in the political system that creates it… It seems that they’re all up their heads in crap.
The government fail to do something right, oh wow. That is so unusual.
First off, whenever you have a war, you usually invade sovereign countries.
Bubbles occur all the time. This is one of those things that happens. It started with the the repeated busts in the 1800s, continued to the stock market crash in 1920s, then the post-World War II glut, and the dotcom bubble burst. Hindsight is 20-20 and no one expected the housing market to burst so badly. I hope that your prognostication machine is patented so that we can use it in the future.
Civil liberties. Okay, the programs that the Bush administration has created have been a little concerning but are no worse than anything in the past. Alien and Sedition act arrested people for speaking against the administration, the Roosevelt administration had the Japanese locked up, Hoover had spies tapping into everyone’s phones and prosecuting them for crimes, etc. Targeting terrorist communications that route through the United States to prevent the perpetration of a terrorist attack seems hardly that outrageous. Some of the provisions of the PATRIOT ACT are a little extreme but still, if any of them were found to be abused, you know that the violated person would be in front of the Supreme Court faster than you could say “redress”. Heck, we can’t even keep terrorists in prison anymore because of the Fab-9.
Obama and McCain have virtually the same positions on domestic spying and surveillance. My question is:
Who do you want looking at the information, the war hero or the guy with the questionable past and ties to terrorists?
Companies have an agreement not to sell to certain governments on a denied list
Iran
Iraq
Cuba
Syria etc
And quite right too who in their right mind wants to see to people who would use this ammo against us??
They do not steal assets they pull your license and guess what many would agree with that… may not put a company out of business but will certainly make sure these arms or parts are not sold to unscrupulous countries
However companies selling these parts understand when applying for a license where/countries they can and cannot sell.
Export control takes precedence in selling ammunition/parts/rockets or whatever you stated etc
USA : Biggest state funded arms industry
The government does not own the above as explained. These companies do not only supply or have its contacts are with the US government or its allies. They also supply in other areas of business.
You are speaking of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). They cover everything from grain to valves to computer chips to rocketry. They apply to any American company doing business outside the borders of the country or exporting any sort of goods to other countries and carry severe penalties for violation.
If you don’t like the United States of America very much, it’s pretty easy to leave.
It’s alright I don’t live their anyway
And I still donated money to your political candidates (really!)
Well move on don’t complain or criticize what country you in??
Andrew and Fibber,
Great discussion! Two adults, being diplomatic and SHARING ideas.
I learned from both of you and agree in parts with both of you but what I really agree with is that the two of you were actually thinking and listening to each other.
Can you imagine the kind of mayhem that would ensue if this type of debate were seen in Congress? Confusion would reign supreme!
Nice job, both of you.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You do realize that anyone can put something on there right? A lot of the stuff of wikipedia is written by people who THINK they know what they are talking about. A lot like you. Did you ever notice this statement on their website?
A wiki is a collection of web pages designed to enable anyone who accesses it to contribute or modify content,
that should read on wikipedia
[citation needed]
Any idea what a citation is? I could claim Obama is a muslim and then use his book as my citation. Nice try though. A citation is a periodical, magazine, book or web page where the info came from. Even then a citation is only needed if something you say is so bizzare that it throws up a red flag.
Bottom line: Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
Wikipedia (or commiepedia as you imply it) relies on the consensus of editors not the amalgamation of all of them – unlike the twelve monkeys who produce this blog.
You can count to twelve eh? Outstanding. That’s two higher then the average BOBOweenie we get here.
Wikipedia is pretty reliable on most things. I am actually one of the administrators and have to deal with all the crap. If one sentence is even a little wrong they slap point of view errors and missing citation tags on the page. As long as the page wasn’t just created and there are no tags all over it, you can probably trust the information. Warning, political material almost always has a point of view warning attached to it and some pages have to be locked, i.e. Jesus, because of vandalism.
That may be true Andrew, however many many many pages have warnings on them stating that, No citations have been used in this entry, please help us verify this info ( or something similar ) . Data is old. Scientific facts are out dated. Wikipedia is not a reliable resource PERIOD. “Wikipedia is pretty reliable on most things” says it all. They also omit facts that they don’t want “out there”. Sorry but anything that can be edited by the general public is not a valid reference. I am sure they TRY to do the best they can. But UH NO.
12 monkeys I would be careful if your the 13th !! You never know what being at #13 may bring…
You said it Flipperly
Stop agreeing with bogus arguments. Point to one government-owned defense contractor and I’ll eat my words.
Which country started the most wars? You mean the declared wars? Wars of US French and Indian War (7 Years War) American Revolution War of 1812 Indian Wars (1817-1898) Mexican War Civil War Spanish-American War World War I (The Great War) World War II Korean War Vietnam War Grenada Invasion 1983 Persian Gulf (Desert Storm) Current War with Iraq – Iraqui Freedom.
Then there were the undeclared wars such as the undeclared Naval War with France, under Adams, and the War with the Barbary Pirates under Jefferson.
I bet the Whiskey Rebellion still burns you up.
And how many of these were fighting the tyranny of socialism?
Dumbass.
Flibberly is correct, we haven’t been “at war” since WW2. Congress didn’t authorize “war” with Iraq, they authorized diplomacy and inspections backed up with the threat of military force as a last resort, at the discretion of the president.
This is important, because since WW2 Congress has avoided taking responsibility for declaring war. Our founders intended Congress to be the ones who took resposnibility for going to war, probably realizing that if 435 people were willing to comit to war it was probably necessary and justified. Much more so then leaving it to the discretion of one president.
As many times as Obama has accused Hillary of voting to go to war with Iraq, he seems to have missed this finer point. He said the Iranian Revolutionary Guard resolution was authorization for war before he changed his tune at the AIPAC luncheon. No wonder he voted wrong six times in the IL Senate – “pressed the wrong button” or he just can’t understand the legislation he’s voting for. Great. Let’s vote for this idiot.
Congress does this so that if things go bad they can blame the president and if things go well they can take credit. They should have just declared war. The violation of the UN agreement was justification. Congress is just full of wimps and weaselword people.
If he could stage this tour, he would be sure to notice a “mission accomplished” opportunity.
No, he just gave a speech in Berlin as pres…I mean citizen of the world.
no he just turned his back on low income members of his state senate district because they could not help his ambitions.
So I didn’t vote for Bush and I’m not voting for Obama. Simple as that.
Hey!
You’ve been using moral equivalence for an excuse for Barry’s dishonorable behavior long enough tonight. Barry is irrefutably a documented liar, fraud, and all around narcissistic fool. You have no responses to these accusations because they are public domain. Your only defense is to try to marginalize Barry’s opponent.
Well, to my memory, the only guy to make a success out of saying, “I know you are, but what am I?” was PeeWee Herman.
Granted that PeeWee and Barry use the same barber and tailor but sir, I’ve seen PeeWee Herman. And your boy Barry, is no PeeWee Herman!
You cannot possibly defend someone who managed to travel thousands of miles to meet with foreign dignitaries and addressed a crowd of non Americans in Berlin but couldn’t rouse himself to spend an unscripted hour with wounded soldiers? Or am I totally misreading your post? Or are you as callow as he is?
If he had visited the troops — even privately, without staff — you would have attacked him for ignoring the Pentagon’s rules and trying to use our wounded warriors as campaign props.
This is a silly game. I’m glad it will be over in August.
The Pentagon did not forbid him from meeting with the troops. He decided not to go because he couldn’t bring the media with him. No photo ops, no bama. Get your facts!!! NOBAMA!!
Obviously under a sane election process photo op’s might be the kiss of death, but every primary candidate from both parties has tried to manipulate media events… From Hilary getting a coffee, to McCain staging a press conference right before Obama’s speech.
Fact is (in terms of poll data and if done right) they work. Why would a presidential candidate not use them?
So because everyone does something it is right? Wasn’t he supposed to be the new candidate practicing the new politics? Guess he is just a regular old candidate who tries to trick Americans. Then again, he isn’t just a regular candidate, he is an obnoxious presidential pretender that conducts foreign policy while not even president. He should be in jail for violating the Logan Act. Fauxbama is a jerk.
Check out the word LOGIC next time you write.
The point is why would an antiwar activist running for President not care enough to visit the wounded soldiers?
How is he anti-war?
Obama wants to fail in Iraq and then have wars in Afganistan and Pakistan.
Sarcasm. You know me better than that.
Obama wants to stage a global coup and crown himself emperor. Oops, some vomit burned my throat. He is nasty and has bad plans for America. Bush is stupid, Obama is evil and knows what he is doing.
Moral Equivalence is the hideout of cowards and fools. It also tars you with the brush of Marxism as you have just subscribed to the philosophy that ‘the ends justify the means.’
It means that, even though you don’t have sense to understand this, that you declare open season on yourself. ‘Ends justifying means’ indicates that you support stopping at nothing to achieve your goals.
What is good for the goose becomes better for the gander.
You fools never consider the consequences of your actions.
How would it have been using them if he did NOT use any military photos? After all, so far there is very little documentation of him but plenty of people willing to believe. So if he went in a spirit of caring (you know, visit the sick? like a Christian witnessing by actions?) and forewent the photo ops altogether, that would have been his best tactic.
Obama is a punk. That is why he didn’t go.
The Pentagon doesn’t have rules against visiting the troops without cameras. We already thought he was a shameless, pandering media whore for making a big to do about visiting Europe and giving speeches when he never held a meeting with the Atlantic Alliance. And he never visited Europe while chairing that Foreign Affairs subcommittee. Then he belittled Hillary’s years as First Lady, calling her meeting the heads of state of 82 different countries “tea parties.” Well, what is talking about your vacation plans with the British PM then?
Is there any way to find out if any of the wounded guys are from Illinois?
no finally he would have done his job as a senator and maybe he’d understand the humility he should carry.
Does that mean you won’t be here after Aug???
When the nom goes elsewjere you will be licking your wounds
Good so you wont be here after Aug??
that’s right you will be in the corner licking your wounds.. or is it the pay runs out ALL FREEBIES STOP TOO?
August? Don’t you mean November? New to this, aren’t you?
Barack Obama’s broken promise to African village
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23520981-details/Barack+Obama%27s+broken+promise+to+African+village/article.do
He wouldn’t be the first person to break a promise to an African village, either. Still excited about Obama’s global poverty tax? I bet as much of that promised money will make it to the villagers as the South Side saw of Rezko’s housing subsidies. What a fucking crook.
It wasn’t the poverty act I knew.
Obama is a jerk. Making promises to poor kids just for political points, then throwing them under the bus when he no longer needs them. I want Obama under the bus.
Well, at least the African school in poverty still has ‘HOPE’.
What would we ever do without you, Hope?
Just when I’m sure I can’t loathe this man any more, something new comes up. Does this man even have a soul?
In a word? No.
is anyone else having trouble loading this video? did the obots get to youtube?
You probably saw this already, but here is my take.
Main Stream Media Ignoring PUMAS
There is an 800 lb. donkey in the living room and it is kicking over the furniture. MSM can’t ignore it forever.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=623
I HAVE GOOD NEWS (for some)
The PUMA radio show tonight had a special guest. A super from CALIF.
THEY are paying ATTENTION to us!!!
THEY are passing around a petition
THEY only need 300 signatures
he didn’t go any further but hinted that it is being DONE as we sit here!
HILLARY will get her name on the ballot with the 300 signatures
THEY are (perhaps) not as DENSE as we have imagined!!
I heard it myself. Of course this guy could be filled with AIR too but he sounded really straight up.
sharing
THERE IS HOPE
AND IT’s NOT OBAMA
It is pointless to attempt to reason with a Kool Aid drinker. Obama went to the gym because he doesn’t give a rats ass about anyone but himself. His devoted fans and worshippers will find that out soon enough.
Obama looks like he is dying of AIDS or some other wasting disease. He should have went to the buffet, not the gym.
Thank you! I haven’t said it before, but that is why I suspect he hasn’t released his medical records. He caught AIDS in some limo.
You think so too? Man he looks disgusting. I can no longer look or listen to him. The crap coming out of his mouth makes me nauseous but his lanky skeleton body pushes me over the edge. Maybe he does have AIDS. Maybe he is bulimic. I don’t know, but the last thing he needs is more weight loss. He needs a large dose of protein. He could take steroids too, he has no balls left to shrink.
Jesse Jackson was being way too kind.
He is fasting, a muslim tradition.
First the birth certificate, the limo and sinclair, now he has AIDS. Folks this is NOT helpful. Obama will fall because he is not qualified to be POTUS, plain and simple.
Writing about lost BCs, sinclair and AIDS is not going to make it out of the blogsphere. And for the most part, this blogsphere that I like and visit 4 times a day at a minimum, is a huge ECHO chamber. Most people don’t even know about the most popular of blog sites. Put it this way, if the MSM is not reporting John Edwards midnight hoteling this “ain’t” going to see the light of the MSM day.
PUMA
Oh, I don’t really think he has AIDS, he just looks so sickly. I don’t really believe Sinclair either, but it is funny and sort of interesting. Mainly, I don’t like Obama because he lies and isn’t qualified. His wife is also an embarrassing disaster waiting to happen.
Wear white hoods much… I can give you a great 2 for 1 deal on them… Free burning cross included with all orders over 30 euros (which I know might seem a lot to you Americans) but in the EU in buys a pack of ciggies
you must be a racist. You’re at the wrong blog sparkles.
No, they mess up my AFRO and the smoke from the burning wood and my contacts…forget about it. Power to the people…Baby.
PUMA
lol Andrew you have been reading my mind…
Mr Flibberly stick your Euros were happy with the dollar…
YOU HAVE TO BE IN FRANCE those people dont like themselves! and can never be counted on for support they let the Germans in right to Calis thank god the English were brave!!
back to your WW2 retort…..
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Now thats control we WILL ALL HAVE THE SAME CURRENCY! EUROS…. I would rather have a dollar or an english pound in my pocket.
Go away you simply insult folk…
There are countries that would prefer their own currency even to this day. You can’t legislate unity …. as the Democratic party is finding out.
30.00 EUR
=
47.1254 USD
You Europeans smoke your faces off, too. Must be some pretty damn good cigarettes.
In the States, that would buy you a black market handgun, and you could kill yourself faster. You should come over here and take advantage of the exchange rate.
Andrew!!! your comments always make me laugh!
and no not funny haha but funny ummmhuh!
I agree completely…I think he has some weird ascetic thing going , no fats, only “healthy” food at the convention…no Christmas or B’day presents for his daughters
the guy is very weird and very creepy,
I don’t know how he gets away with not disclosing his medical records, as a citizen, I have a right to know everything about that bony skank.
If I was a bettin’ man, I’d go with a first class, $200/ a day
coke habit.
One of his speeches some damn where had him come out explaining about the mortgage crisis and he just went poof!
Lost his train of thought, started getting off on the cheering, started, then stopped and then finally gave up.
It was a classic cocaine buzz jabberwockey.
$5 on a toot habit
I love this version of the ad which takes the original ad from the other day and includes the issue of dissing our troops.
Great move by McCain.
I also enjoy very much the graphic at the end which shows Country First.
I’m just glad that we have McCain to save us!
Country first is our logic as well ….
Is this snot?
Sen John McCain is a man with a heart and a soul. he has survived the worst you can imagine as a P.O.W. he would never pull the kind of stunt that obama did regarding the wounded troops. Mac is not my most perfect candidate for POTUS. that was and still is Hillary. but John McCain has my trust to say what he means and to mean what he says. all he needs is the chance to lead. he’s got my vote if Hillary doesn’t get the proper recognition as the real candidate for POTUS in august in Denver
barack obama and company will not get my vote. never. they can kiss my rosy pink ass all the way to kingdom come….my vote is not for sale, and the ten finger discount that bambam’s people proffer to get votes will not work in the General Election. no caucuses to strongarm in his favor. fuck the elite democratic party for absconding with Democracy. for that, i do not forget.
Sen John McCain, POTUS 2008.
Watching the Mccain ad is like watching a child pretending to be president and at the end the manifistation of all the characteristics you would want appear in Senator Mccain. Quite striking. Watch it again and see the difference, Backtrack is nothing but fodder and make believe, Mccain is the real deal. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…………….. backtracks in for some rough times.
Remember Wile E. Coyote when he’s falling off the narrow cliff and he drops, and drops, and the little bomb-falling whistle shrills and then he disappears to a tiny little……
Poof!
That is Barack Obama’s political life
David Axelrod speaks and everyone knows Axelrod doesn’t lie does he.
Oh wait, he lied over his astroturf electrical rates didn’t he and was sued $10 million for it?
Oh wait, Axelrod said KO was out of line with the Rob Kennedy death threats made against Hillary, but wasn’t he stuffing transcripts into press releases?
It is strange that Obama’s campaign hasn’t a clue about Pentagon rules, but there again, Obama must of missed the rules briefing when he was heading up the Senate Banking Commitee hearings…….lol
that’s not the banking committee I knew…
Great ad! Senator John McCain is a true patriotic American who I believe does put country first.
WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
McCain ‘08 (no matter who the dem VP is)
I’m a hard working children’s book illustrator and I approve this ( McCain’s) ad!!!
“Country First” That one will leave a mark. Ouch!
Simple and to the point.
Add it to Rev Wright, Ayers, Achi, Rezko and Obama’s other sorted associations and/or associates…it will not only leave a mark–it will sting like hell.
Good Luck countering that one Obamabots. Start now because you will need the lead time.
PUMA
How many of you remember that just a week or so ago Senator Obama made a visit to Walter Reed? How many of you notice or remember that in the ad that the place where Sen Obama is making the basket is actually at an event with the troops? He made 2 stops in Kuwait to visit trrops. Who has been the leading proponent against the terrible treatment at our VA hospitals? Which candidate voted against the new GI Bill? I think the campaigned was some what mislead by the Pentagon (anyone notice that the do not provide support to the campaigns memo from the State Department came out on this trip, but not for Sen McCain’s trips?). The White House is doing what it can to inject itsef into the campaign, both subtly and overtly. Do not fall for it.
Plenty of time to stand in front of German citizens and tell them what is wrong with America but not one hour for soldiers who have — in some cases — sacrificed limbs so that that son of a bitch can do so and he can’t find one unaccompanied HOUR? You are as pathetic as he is. This is a mistake of EPIC proportions and every elected Democrat knows it. One thing to be soft on defense. Quite another thing to be callous when it comes to the soldiers themselves. You should just face facts. He’s a very damaged candidate facing someone who actually knows what being wounded is all about.
McCain voted against Webb’s GI bill, because he favors Lindsay Graham’s (his own party) which has transferable benefits and improves retention rates by 19%. Leave it to the Dems to write a shitty bill and bitch about it all summer to try to seem patriotic.
“Don’t fall for it.” Pfft.
And the person who has advocated for our veterans’ receiving proper care at our VA hospitals has been Hillary Clinton. http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=1816
John McCain has done his share for our active and retired armed services personnel. To say that Obama has done more in his 143 days in the US Senate before he ran for office compared to McCain’s two decade career is ludicrous.
Hope Floats:
I posted this before, but reading your description of what is alledged to be on the MO tape, I will repost it.
The first night Fox aired the Wright tapes, they played one of him ranting about the high incidence of black on black crime, and his comment was “You’re killing the wrong people”! I never saw that tape again, but it horrified me at the time, and I began to wonder if Fox hadn’t decided to tuck it away for the GE.
Now, in the description of what Michelle alledgedly says is the same theme – turn your crime away from blacks toward whites. Maybe a double whammy for the Repubs with two people from TUCC repeating the same theme? Only time will tell, I guess, but it certainly is more than coincidence IMHO.
It looks like they’re deleting Whitey Tape comments. Anytime the trolls rickroll and bring up the Whitey Tape, I just post the blurb about what is supposedly said. Look at Samantha Power’s book on Rwanda where she lays the blame of the genocide at Clinton’s feet. Supposedly MO says the same thing in her rant. Then if she caught the Rev. Wright’s speech earlier before she went up on the Women’s Panel. If the crowd cheered her on, I could see her having a meltdown. She would feel like going up against Bill Clinton who also attended. If Wright was her “spiritual mentor,” too, she would have repeated the theme of redirecting black on black crime toward the white community. She wanted to sound stronger, more credible and align herself with their group’s alpha male. Some feminist.
The McCain campaign has been putting out some DOOZIES on YouTube in recent weeks and I LOVE IT!! lol They are trouncing the Obama campaign in the YouTube ad game and the Obamazoids are responding accordingly. Take a look at the comment section of most of McCain’s most recent ads and see how they swarm!
HAHAHA. I love the smell of troll sweat in the morning – it smells like victory.
Axlerod also said that BO knows Ayers because their kids go to school together – Ayers’ kids must be pretty dumb if they’re still in elementary school, as they’re in their 20’s. Lie and deny, the Axlerod way, they do it all the time, and no one in the media has to guts to call them on it. 2008, the year that objective, unbiased, honorable, investigative journalism suffers an ugly, ugly death.
This is a must read: Soldiers overseas are going to have problems voting in November.
Rep. Roy Blunt, the House Republican whip, on July 8 introduced a resolution demanding that the Defense Department better enable U.S. military personnel overseas to vote in the November elections. That act was followed by silence. Democrats normally leap on an opportunity to find fault with the Bush Pentagon. But not a single Democrat joined Blunt as a co-sponsor, and an all-Republican proposal cannot pass in the Democratic-controlled House.
http://www.creators.com/opinion/robert-novak/the-soldier-voting-scandal.html
Ayers Dohrn,mentioned >>>Read last blog–Good site
http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/34772/
*shaking head* John McCain is making a big mistake going negative with ads on things like a cancelled hospital visit. That may loom large and the ad may play well with people who strongly dislike Obama, but it’s not going to play so well to mainstream America. What they’ll remember about the ad is the negativity, and John stating he approved it.
The ad asserts Obama “voted against funding our troops”. John seems to forget this is no longer a popular war, and that people understand they’re watching a campaign ad. The statement serves to remind a lot of people that Obama opposes the war.
That’s an observation, not a complaint. As far as I’m concerned it’ll be just fine if John keeps it up. His ad people seem to be running an election behind in their understanding of the American mood, their increased level of political sophistication, and voter psychology.
Oh yeah, and there’s this: If the Obama people decide to fire back in similar fashion, they can blow John’s boat out of the water by referring to his voting record on veterans’ health care, outpatient hospital access, etc; his opposition to and skipped vote on the 2008 GI Bill; and his 2003 votes against funding for troop safety equipment and essential supplies. His ad people have opened the door on all that and left it standing wide open. McCain could even be attacked on those points via ads not approved by Obama, so Obama would still appear to be standing above the negativity.
I really can’t imagine what the McCain ad people were thinking.
Could be…
Just askin’ here but are those bills the type which have had all those cute little add-ons which would have cost ten times what the bill’s projected costs were to be? I seem to remember there was a truck load of legislation which had a couple of sorta-kinda, ‘help the vets/troops’ wordage but ended up paying for things like handicap parking at the top of a llamas only hiking trail.
Its easy to make these statements and I believe the sincerity behind them but I still wonder if the whole picture is being revealed or are we just hearing part of that story?
Well, the bills were written up by politicians. There’s always something, isn’t there? There’s almost always something more to the story. So I can’t deny you may have a point.
Oblahblah is having a series of Kerry moments. I voted for this after I was against it, ad nauseum.
McCain and Lindsay Graham’s bill. Webb’s passed easily just to shut up the Dems, but McCain was very clear why he chose to campaign Memorial Day weekend instead of vote for this bill.
http://schotlinepress.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/support-grows-for-graham-burr-mccain-gi-bill/
http://crazypolitics.blogspot.com/2008/05/battling-over-gi-bill.html
and perhaps most famously
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Obama_criticizes_absent_McCain_on_Senate_floor_McCain_hits_back_hard.html
You cannot defend not taking ONE HOUR to spend with wounded US soldiers. Sorry. No excuse. None.
The war has never been popular!
What has changed is that the United States has turned a corner and is now winning in Iraq.
What does winning mean?
Establishing a democratic Iraq which is rich and is allied with the United States against Iran and other external threats is worthy of efforts.
The Obamabots have been exposed for their blind hatred of America.
They were going to win an election based on defeat and humiliation of this country.
Were winning now and that changes everything.
What people are realizing is that if we went with the policy Obama desired America today would be a broken country that had lost it’s influence in the world and subject to increasing terrorist attacks.
McCain is correct to remind people that he made the tough calls and was prepared to sink his candidacy so that America could have victory with honor.
All you have to do is go back to the state of the union address.
When Bush mentioned the success of the surge a great number of patriotic Americans including Hillary got up and clapped the success of our troops.
What did Obama do?
Obama sat on his hands wishing for American defeat!
Snot, the mucilage troll
How quaint. Sophistication is the last word I would use, especially when describing the lock-step automatons formerly known as democrats who support the Anointed One.
I was talking about how people will likely react to ads that rely more on negative spin than on negative fact. John’s ads are trying to push a conclusion on people. It works better to present facts that suggest something, and then allow people to draw the conclusion themselves. This is pretty basic stuff.
The increased sophistication I was referring to has to do with the fact that people are less trusting in general now of televised media coverage, political advertising, and internet content. They descriminate better than they did four years ago because they’ve had four more years of experience with the methodologies of the new media. And certainly with political manipulation.
The McCain ads in question would have played a lot better four years ago. Now the term “swiftboating” is on the tip of everybody’s tongue–a verb that didn’t even exist four years past.
My guess is we won’t see the ads go national because the McCain team will analyze the feedback data and figure this out. Unless he’s picked a media team that’s still thinking four years in the past, of course.
Sophistication? The obamatrons can’t put together two coherent words without creating a malaprop. They need direction from the Anointed One.
Indiana..
I love how you respond!
By saying you respectfully disagree with me shows how smart and gracious you are!
I appreciate that!!
Having said that, I think his latest commercial is great and my wife loved it even more.
Country First!!
I only wish I could believe that. I’m afraid what’s actually happened is that Iraq’s waring factions have been separated into segregated areas controlled by those factions, and our troops have been turned into a police presence enforcing a temporary state of truce. That’s what the surge has accomplished, and so far as that goes the surge has been a success. But unless the Iraqi government gets its act together, that situation lasts only so long as we stay. Staying is bleeding us dry, to the tune of $341 million per day. It’s also steadly sapping our military strength.
I still don’t see a connection between “success in Iraq” and homeland security from terrorist attacks. The terrorists have never been in Iraq. They’re operating out of other places–mainly Afghanistan and western Pakistan. No doubt other places as well, but Iraq isn’t one of them.
My opinion, respectfully stated.
Bingo. See Mickware.com for some interesting insights. You’re pretty much dead on.
Indiana..
So defeat in Iraq is OK for you.
The reason Obama is going to loose is because the dynamic of Iraq has changed.
We have set up a strategic position in the center of the middle east which prevents oil rich countries from being taken over by Muslim and religious extremists.
A democratic wealthy Iraq allied with the US and Israel can prevent world resource wars.
We Have Iran surrounded and we have the terrorists on the run.
If Obama was in power we would be talking to Iran while they continued to develop nukes.We would have pulled out in defeat from Iraq destroying our strategic position and Alqueda would be back in Iraq along with the Iranians.
Obama would have to respond to a third Iraq war which probably would also be a regional war.
Our standard of living would be over!
I say no!!
No to defeat in Iraq.
It’s all of our war now. We must complete the building of a democratic Iraq.
Obama and his followers have no clue what defeat really means for the united states.
How about your life being over as you know it!
Is that clue enough!
It’s not OK. I’m just not sure how much Iraq is really part of the war on terror. And Iraq has been a horrible drain on our attention to that war; on our treasury, and on our military power.
It’s easier for us to lose the war on terror if we focus all of our attention on “winning” in Iraq. The invasion and occupation of Iraq have cost us over $500 billion. In 2006 a conservative estimate for the total cost was a trillion dollars. Now the estimate is over 3 trillion dollars.
Asymetrical wars can be lost even when you win all the battles. Your enemy can simply bleed you dry.
We’ve focused on Iraq to the extent that we’ve let Afghanistan slide. We began doing that even when Osama bin Laden was still holed up in Tora Bora.
Tora Bora is old news. Not much there.Osama is long gone in the basement of some ultra rich sheik.
Afganistan is an area that is a no mans land. Has been for a thousand years.
The only thing that can be done is contain the area and hold back the tribes from establishing bases.
Iraq on the other hand means everything. Being in the fertile crescent the civilization goes back to Mesopatania days. Iraq was secular but Stalinist when we decided to conquer it.
Having the 4th largest petroleum reserves in the world and centered right in the middle of all conflicts it really is the center of the war on terrorism.
The war on terrorism will be defined later as the wars for resource control in the world.
Whoever controls the middle east controls the world.
As Iraq becomes a rich democracy allied with the US the fact that the US along with her allies have the influence over the world resources will make Bush look like a Truman.
This is true only so long as we stubbornly hang on to an increasingly problematic petroleum-based energy economy. Once we get away from that, we’re free from their control. And we stop funding the very people who are opposing us by sending them the wealth of America in return for their oil.
We would be in an entirely new geopolitical environment. We would be calling the shots again for our own nation.
It’s all about our unnecessary energy dependence. All of it.
I knew we could agree!
Until then we have to bridge the gap so that America doesn’t end up on the scrap heap of history.
Hope Floats, Andrew, & Hope, Obama is sponsoring The Global Poverty Act. He wants to send 7% of GDP to the UN primarily for use in Africa. It’s like a global tax.
Indiana Dem, What do you think the Sunni Awakenings were all about if al Qaeda isn’t in Iraq?
Nice shootin’ Justy!
That’s two good points back to back!
I’m not knowledgeable enough about internal Iraq politics to even venture an opinion. I’ve read part of it might actually be Sunni resistance against foreign al Qaeda influence. I’ve read part of it might be a Bathist revival. I’ve read it could go in our favor, or go against us. Who really knows what’s going on with any of these guys?
When I said al Qaeda wasn’t mounting terrorist attacks against the American homeland out of Iraq, btw, I didn’t mean that al Qaeda isn’t meddling with Iraqi politics, or attacking us there. I don’t think al Qaeda had any influence in Iraq before we invaded. Saddam didn’t have much use for them. Once he was gone, I’m sure they became involved. We inadvertently created an opportunity for them.
Indiana
I agree with all you’re saying!
However it’s a new day we all are forced to look at things differently.
This policy has a larger goal.
The Bush Doctrine is a projection of American power which we will continue to see whether we like it or not to protect the Western Civilized worlds vital resources along with the world against terrorism.
Years from now even though I was against the war I do believe that it will be considered
a Brilliant Strategy.
Undoubtedly, somebody was stone asleep after Saddam’s fall, but there can be no doubt now that Al Quaeda was dealt a devastating blow since the Surge started.
Internecine conflict is the big mess in Iraq, but I also see that there is an “Iraq First” movement building.
It is entirely possible for Muslims to function as sectarian groups which get along.
The trick is to get them to understand the truth of co-existence. In the past, they might have decided to kill each other, but it seems that they may be catching on a little.
After years of pessimism and telling our returning vets that they went there for nothing, the truth of the matter is that there may be the chance to actually turn this sow’s ear into a silk purse.
I choose to view it this way because too many have paid way too much already. If it can be completed, its value will be established and there will something there which humanity will view in the future as a liberation.
Its like walking three quarters of the way through a horrible snake filled, alligator choked, malarial swamp and deciding to turn back because you just can’t take it anymore.
You may want to check out Obama’s voting record too. His no votes & his non-votes. And these are much more recent than the 2003 McCain votes you are talking about.
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490&type=category&category=32&go.x=17&go.y=12
It seems he voted for the spending bills only if there was a timetable.
You can blame John McCain for not voting for those bills back in 2003, which I can’t seem to find, but I did find this that he voted for in 2003:
11/12/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization – Conference Report
HR 1588 Y Conference Report Adopted – Senate
(95 – 3)
10/17/2003 Emergency Appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan
S 1689 Y Bill Passed – Senate
(87 – 12)
05/22/2003 Fiscal 2004 Defense Authorization-Passage
S 1050 Y Defense Department FY2004 Authorization Bill – Senate
(98 – 1)
12/13/2001 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2002
S 1438 N Conference Reported Adopted – Senate
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270&type=category&category=22&go.x=10&go.y=13
But keep in mind..it was 2003. There was already a big budget for Iraq. You can’t really blame McCain that the DOD gave it all to Halliburton.
Here are some highlights from a summary of Obama’s U.S. Senate voting record by the Creative Youth News Team (CYNT 2007), a progressive African American advocacy organization. The list was actually longer.
“4/21/05: Obama voted for HR 1268, war appropriations in the amount of approximately $81 billion. Much of this funding went to Blackwater USA and Halliburton and disappeared. Roll call 109 ”
“7/01/05: Obama voted for H.R. 2419, termed ‘The Nuclear Bill’ by environmental and peace groups. It provided billions for nuclear weapons activities, including nuclear bunker buster bombs. It contains full funding for Yucca Mountain, a threat to food and water in California, Nevada, Arizona and states across America. Roll call 172 .”
“9/26/05 & 9/28/05: Obama failed and refused to place a hold on the nomination of John Roberts, a supporter of permanent detention of Americans without trial, and of torture and military tribunals for Guantanamo detainees.”
“11/15/05: Obama voted for continued war, again. Roll call 326 was the vote on the Defense Authorization Act (S1042) which kept the war and war profiteering alive, restricted the right of habeas corpus and encouraged terrorism. Pursuant to his pattern, Obama voted for this. .”
“12/21/05: Obama confirmed his support for war by voting for the Conference Report on the Defense Appropriations Act (HR 2863), Roll call 366, which provided more funding to Halliburton and Blackwater. ”
“5/2/06: Obama voted for money for more war by voting for cloture on HR 4939, the emergency funding to Halliburton, Blackwater and other war profiteers. Roll call 103 .”
“5/4/06: Obama, again, voted to adopt HR4939: emergency funding to war profiteers. Roll call 112.”
“6/15/06: Obama, again, opposed withdrawal of the troops, by voting to table a motion to table a proposed amendment would have required the withdrawal of US. Armed Forces from Iraq and would have urged the convening of an Iraq summit (S Amdt 4269 to S. Amdt 4265 to S2766) Roll Call 174 ”
“6/22/06: Obama voted against withdrawing the troops by opposing the Kerry Amendment (S. Amdt 4442 to S 2766) to the National Defense Authorization Act. The amendment, which was rejected, would have brought our troops home. Roll Call 181 ”
“6/22/06: Obama voted for cloture (the last effective chance to stop) on the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766), which provided massive amounts of funding to defense contractors to continue the killing in Iraq. Roll Call 183.”
“6/22/06: Obama again voted for continued war by voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act (S 2766) for continued war funding. Roll Call 186 .
9/7/06: Obama voted to give more money to profiteers for more war (H..R. 5631). Roll Call 239 ”
“9/29/06: Obama voted vote for the conference report on more funding for war, HR 5631. Roll Call 261 .”
“11/16/06: Obama voted for nuclear proliferation in voting to pass HR 5682, a bill to exempt the United States-India Nuclear Proliferation Act from requirements of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954. Roll Call 270 .”
“On March 28, 2007 and March 29th, 2007, he voted for cloture and passage of a bill designed to give Bush over $120 billion to continue the occupation for years to come (with a suspendable time table) and inclusive of funding that could be used to launch a war with Iran. Roll calls 117 and 126 …Obama’s record shows a minimum of 20 major pro-war votes…”
H.R. 1268, roll call 109–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 2419, vote 172–Clinton also voted AYE
S. 1042, roll call 326–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 2863, roll call 366–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 4939, roll call 103–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 4939, roll call 112–Clinton also voted AYE
S. 2766, roll call 174–Clinton also voted AYE
S. 2766, roll call 181–Both Obama and Clinton voted NAY
S. 2766, roll call 183–Clinton also voted AYE
S. 2766, roll call 186–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 5631, roll call 239–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 5631, roll call 261–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 5682, roll call 270–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 1591, roll call 117–Clinton also voted AYE
H.R. 1591, roll call 126–Clinton also voted AYE
So, Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama voted identically on each and every one of the cited roll call votes.
You can confirm any of them using the Congressional Roll Call Database found at this address:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes.xpd?year=2007
Obviously you have misinterpreted the nature of the cited votes cast by Barack Obama. Either that, or Hillary Clinton is as untrustworty a political chameleon as you believe Barack Obama to be.