PUMAs Are “Surging”
By SusanUnPC on July 28, 2008 at 11:10 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democracy, Democratic Nomination, Disenfranchisement, Hillary Clinton, Indiana, North Carolina, Texas
Newsbusters.org has written a great article on PUMA power today, “MSM Mostly Ignores Surge of Anti-Obama PUMA Democrat Activity.” A choice quote:
Imagine if a bunch of disgruntled Mitt Romney supporters were currently stalking John McCain or Republican events loudly demanding that their candidate be nominated. Think the national press would be featuring it bigtime as an example of Republican party disunity? Well, the same thing is happening except the people are disgruntled Democrats expressing their opposition of Barack Obama while loudly continuing to support Hillary Clinton. … PUMA activities seem to be surging lately. …
JustSayNoDeal.com reports more coverage today, including a dynamite LTE, “Party leadership, Obama rejected by these Dems” published in today’s Indianapolis Star newspaper and an original article published at Raw Story, “Hillary supporters, still angry, frustrate attempts at party unity. The Raw Story report features the highly successful protest by PUMA members during Howard Dean’s speech in Charlotte, North Carolina:First, the IndyStar LTE which concisely sums up essential concerns about Barack Obama’s candidacy:
Party leadership, Obama rejected by these DemsWe know very little about Barack Obama, but we do know he is unwilling to take a firm stance on issues.He said he would accept public financing for the general election, and later rejected it.He voted in favor of the government’s eavesdropping program and legal immunity for telecommunications companies after promising his supporters he would reject it.He advocates both an individual’s right to own a gun and the government’s right to regulate ownership.He assured America he would negotiate a better deal with NAFTA and then winked to the Canadian government that this was simply political posturing.He assured his supporters he would pull all American troops out of Iraq immediately. Now he calls this impossible.The list is endless.I am a member of PUMA PAC (People United Means Action), a group of citizens who favored Hillary Clinton and are motivated by belief that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) has abrogated its responsibility to represent the interests of all Democrats in all 50 states. I and thousands of other PUMA members will not vote for Obama, the DNC’s selected, not elected, nominee.Dylan AsdalePUMA PAC DemocratAvon
Here’s a quote from the section of the Raw Story report about that dramatic Charlotte, N.C. protest:
Protesters brought their anger over the supposed mistreatment of Hillary Clinton by the Democratic Party to a Howard Dean appearance in Charlotte Friday, some carrying signs that read “Dump Dean.”Two dozen of the New York Senator’s supporters shouted down the Democratic National Committee Chairman with a chorus of, “I own my vote!” the Charlotte Observer reported.The protest was sparked by a rumor that Clinton’s name would not be put in for nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.The supporters were loud enough that Dean was forced to stop his speech to the 150 people who showed up for the voting rally and address the demonstrators. …
Read all of the Raw Story report, which also covers PUMA members’ statements and strategies in Texas and elsewhere.
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HILLARY IS POTUS
PUMA BABY!!
WooT!!!!!
PUMAs rock!!!
PUMAs DO rock, but the analogy made regarding Romney and Hillary is nowhere CLOSE. In fact, it is illogical – Romney was not forced out, he chose to leave, and MORE IMPORTANTLY – he did not win the vast majority of big and swing states, and did not get more of the popular vote. I appreciate their trying to be catchy or pithy or whatever, and maybe it is because this has never ever happened before that the candidate with the most votes was NOT the presumed nominee, but it is, IMHO, not a flattering comparison. We support Clinton because she is, hands down, the best candidate. And we are angry at the DNC because they engaged in voter fraud, intimidation, and theft; and they engaged in rigging the nomination in general. They could not be FURTHER away from the meaning of “democratic.” THAT is why we are angry, not just because the best candidate, the one who was ELECTED, was not the one SELECTED.
Oh wait – here’s a comparison – we’re like people who continued supporting Gore because he actually HAD the most votes (electoral college, too, when they were actually COUNTED), but was not the one who ended up in the White House. Much better than comparing us to ROMNEY supporters.
R..R..R..AMY,
I didn’t even support GORE cuz he CAVED for very long after until he did the Global Thing then he got my attention again.
No ONE was a qualified, dignified or true as was Sen. Clinton.
Romney, Gore, pffft, they could shine her shoes.
jmo
Oh, right on, Dawnelle – I feel the same way abt Gore. My mom asked me the other day if I saw his recent speech, and I told her, emphatically, HECK NO! And why. She adores Hillary, is VERY upset abt all of the sexism and the propping up of Obama, and once I told her Gore endorsed him, she totally got it (she’s 78, btw).
And yeah – none of those people could sign her shoes. I think that is why they are hellbent on putting her down at every opportunity – they know it!!
Great post! PUMA may not be getting all of the press it deserves, but party leaders are very worried and very angry.
They should be!
Listen, they told us to f&ck off and stay home a long time ago. We’re just taking them at their word.
They don’t need us, the base of the Party, to win? Let’s see how that works out for them.
Not another dime for the Dem Party that fixed the nomination for Oblahma!!
And fixing includes their silence while Obamabots falsely accused the Clintons of racism.
NO Hussein!
NObama!
Thats right they said they do not need us, they can win without all of us!! Ok, so I say go ahead!
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
Here Here! The O-brownshirts harassed, alienated, and drove us out of the Dem Party and Left blog sites–and now they want us to forget it all happened! This, amigos, is called abuse. (”But, Baby, I really didn’t mean it….)
We refuse to enable such behavior–
and thus turn our backs to the One who not only condoned, but encouraged such abuse throughout the primaries!
That is, we refuse to enable such behavior– and now turn our backs to the One who condoned and encourages such abuse!
Barry sent me another letter begging for cash
and I made a fake “O” dollar bill and included
a nice message to ‘keep the “change”‘ and sent
it back on their dime.
And I LAUGHED!
I got a letter, too. I sent it back with this in black marker written all over it.
Alice Palmer
Tony Rezko
Farrakhan
Ayers
Wright
FISA
the stand with the muslims quote
Hate whites wife = NO MONEY!!
I, too, bring out my teacher’s red pen and cross out all the propaganda contained in such DNC and Obama mailings. (I fill in with my own comments, with longer commentary reserved for the margins.) I also write PUMA across the donations section, then I mail the whole thing back. I’ll keep on doing this as long as I get mail from the DNC and the Obama campaign.
I write all over it in large capital letters:
I WILL NEVER DRINK THE KOOL-AID AND I WILL NOT FALL IN LINE. I AM A MEMBER OF PUMA PAC.
Sometimes I write it all over the envelope and then cross out my address and put “Return to Sender.” Sometimes I open it and write all over it, and then send it back using their postage. I hope they’ll stop.
You forget SEXISM!!!
Good for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol
I am laughing too-LOL
Hahahaha. Good for you!
PUMA!!!!
AMEN TO JOSEY…….they delude themselves into thinking we are a bunch of old white ladies LOOKING FOR A CAUSE..From reading hundreds of commenTs over the last weeks i believe i represent the norm…i have wrked for the party for over 20 years..
volunteering on every campaign at every level..i am mad as hell and i’m not gonna take it anymore..they stood silent while hillary was demonized and THEY turned on president. cLinton THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED by PUMAS IN WIGS. PTY U. MY ASS!
Party leaders have every reason to be very worried. I hope PUMA can generate a lot of attention at the Democratic Convention. I live in Colorado. I would say the NBC affliate I watch is being spoon-fed their reporting on the campaign. But if the PUMA people can connect with the other networks and the independents during convention time, I would hope they would get fair coverage, not just in Colorado, but across the country. It is a huge story and deserves much more attention than it is getting.
Even without PUMA, I think many people see right through the Democrats “selection” process. They don’t like it and THEY are very angry.
I don’t know who the DNC has to be angry with except themselves….the two-faced, arrogant, petty, lying would-be tyrants that they are.
One other thing, Party Leaders. Please tell Obama’s fan club at Invesco Field to behave themselves. It is a really stupid idea to have the acceptance speech there. Stupid. I repeat, STUPID.
I agree. PUMA is tiny compared to the vast number of voters out there, and he’s not knocking it out of the park.
well with Obama’s 5 million ad buy to NBC, would you expect anything else from them?
I just got an e-mail from a DNC member who expressed his concern about the Hillary supporters who are angry the way DNC treated Hillary’s campaign. I believe they are begining to take PUMA seriously.
Did you read the comment section on the Raw Story link??? I tried to post and their was an apology by the administrator about fixing the posting requirements or something so the comment section was closed to more comments!
I forgot to add that the comments on the Raw Story link were extremely anti-puma. Which is why I am upset that the comment section was closed to further comments.
The elitist really think Hillary supporters will fall in line but they should start realizing that it’s not going to happen. They have done wrong and were cruel to the only woman that has ever run for the presidency. Adding Obama’s none judgement on the Iraq surge there is no way he should be president.
Actually Hillary isn’t the only women who ran for president in American History. But the treatment of Hillary was the same as the ones before her. The first female to run was in late 1800’s, even before women could vote. She was called the “Petticoat Candidate”. Same crap, different times.
Aaaaand Obama is not the first AA candidate….SHE WAS A GUTSY WOMAN
Actually Hillary isn’t the only woman who ran for president in American History. But the treatment of Hillary was the same as the ones before her. The first female to run was in late 1800’s, even before women could vote. She was called the “Petticoat Candidate”. Same crap, different times.
PUMA IS making a difference. Even as PUMA is strong in numbers, the success so far is not in the numbers. It is in the perseverance. I wonder who is the PUMA role model in this unusual lack of will to quit?
PUMA for HILLARY
The MSM may be ignoring this story, but Dean, the DNC, and the Obama campaign are not. The Obama campaign has effectively taken over the DNC and it intends to fill Invesco Field with 80,000 Obama activists, who must earn their right to be there, will be bussed to Denver from across the country, and will intimidate the opposition (superdelegates and Hillary supporters), along with the very real fear of things getting out of hand. I can just hear the not-so-veiled threats from Brazille, Rangel, and other AA’s about what might happen if the nominations is “stolen” from Obama, who, the evidence shows, actually stole it from Hillary.
I absolutely agree with you. The Stalinist Obama will brook no dissent at the Convention.
Want a Seat at the Democratic Convention? Better Promise to Campaign for Obama
by the way, you should fight fire with fire. Promise to campaign for him and then when you get there, call for the Hillary delegates to stand up and be counted.
Infiltrate the enemy? Excellent idea!
I agree this is Stalinist. Very hardcore. Can we dismantle this apparatus? Or must we start a new Party to stand against them?
I say let them riot. Although a very sad situation, this would be a good thing, and would actually make Obama look even worse, because he would have only two choices. Call for those people to stop rioting (which I think won’t happen) or he will let them contiue their destructive rampage through the streets.
In either case it will make HIM look bad.
Agree!!! Why is this party afraid to do what is right?? I am not worried about riots. The Founding Fathers did what was right……..we should do no less and if someone has a problem with that, let them riot. They will look bad, not the voters who wanted their voices to be heard.
Why should we not stand fast? I am not afraid of them, because when its over, they will have lost.
The “protesters” will be safely CAGED in the Free Speech Chicken Wire Zone.
My guess is that the people who are signing up and attending Camp Obama will be the major source of the audience for the snObama coronation.
Camp Obama will be a tightly controlled “training” session where the core supporters will be identified and selected.
This really reminds me of the way the communists select their party members — one had to prove loyalty to the party — not the Country — but the party.
I can understand why the founding fathers/writers of the Constitution did mention nor support political parties.
The Obamacrat party is all about loyalty to one ONE individual.
PUMA more that ever!!
Yes! GWB redux!!!
I agree, but the proof will be at the ballot box –unless Hillary is nominated. PUMA has become an anthem up here in the Northeast, a household word.
In my state, I have received at least three calls from Dems pleading for help with the Shaheen candidacy — and always, always mentioning that she strongly supports Obama… I sometimes just slam the phone down after making a PUMA howl, or scream “Oh my God, not Hussein Obama!!!” then I yell PUMA!!! It feels great!! Not a penny for the DNC or any Dem who supports Obama.
Believe me, the Obama effect will be felt all the way down the ticket! Plan now to take down the names of every Dem from your state you see at the Convention that jumps on the Obama wagon — then pledge to work as hard as you can to get them defeated in November. We can’t all go to Denver but we can rock our communities!
Send the DNC a message that hijacking our democratic process will bring massive consequences. We are not 5 % or 10% or even 20%. I believe PUMA and sympathizers are closer to 40% and will block the Obama coronation. yeahhhh!
In all my life, I never can remember the msm deliberately not covering a major story like this.
The events of the Primary Season have altered my viewing and reading habits with regard to electronic and print journalism for the rest of my life.
Every where I go, if the subject of the msm comes up I mention that I don’t watch or read the news and I give my reasons why along with examples of things that the msm did not report, like the free beer and concert in Germany and the one in Oregon in May. then I challenge people to verify it. After they do they are astonished and not happily so.
They don’t realize it, but they’ve started a revolution and they won’t be happy with the outcome.
And they can blame Hillary all they want, it won’t change the truth:
THEY ARE TO BLAME!
I really don’t see what the DNC is fussin about…they have achieved PARTY UNITY….Commissar Donna Brazeal stated repeatedly that the NEW PARTY FOR A NEW AMERICA have found the Old Democratic base to be UNDESIRABLE and UNNECESSARY TO THE PARTY OR THEIR DEAR LEADER….
Of course with us goes our money….our reliability and loyalty….our experience
Guess The DNC just wishes we would shut up….FAT CHANCE COMRADE DEAN
There is no news story. A bunch of upset Hillary fans joining up with Republican hate sites. Swiftboating is not working this time
Of course there is.
Or your dumb ass wouldn’t be posting here.
Didn’t Donna Brazile say that the Party had to be destroyed in order to rebuild it? (Be careful what you wish for, as they say?) Shouldn’t she be fessing up to her responsibility of the current Party disunity?
Naturally, it looks like Hillary and her supporters are once again the easy scapegoats for the actions of a few Stalinists in the Dem party.
I delight in reading ‘noquarter’ comments and my love and mirth just bubbled over when I got to yours and I HAD to write. If you PUMAs were not out there expressing MY thoughts every day, I don’t know what I’d do. You guys are funny and irreverent, and smart, and oh so RIGHT about what has happened this year in American politics. I’m so happy that the fire and devotion have not faded. I halfway expected to see the angry Hillary supporters disappear or turn some corner into acquiescence, by the end of July But you haven’t! Well, neither have I! And it seems we are growing stronger and more numerous. Keep up the good fight! I am with you all the way and all the time and we are together in this.
That’s right Heather!
We know you are out there! We can feel it.
Come on in! The water’s fine…
You do know what to do…you’re already doing it. It’s called speaking out and it is oh so democratic. We’re all going to be doing it in Denver whether Howie likes it or not!
True that Untilthelastdogdies….DEMOCRACY IS JUST A LITTLE OLD FASHIONED TRADITION I BITTERLY CLING TO….Oooops! How very
workingclassbitterracistignorantlunchbucket…fill in the blank
menopausalwhinyLUNATICdeadenderunREALdemocratic of me…..
Thank you Heather!
The Presidency is not a game. Nor a joke. That’s why the PUMA organization fights on. The future of our country is at stake. The most important office in the United States cannot be handed over to inexperienced, non-trustworthy and unstable “rock star” hands anymore.
The days of wanting a President “you can have a beer with” are over.
We need a President (and Congress) who is experienced & politically savvy enough (among other good qualities) to repair the EXTENSIVE damages to our economy, our basic Constitutional liberties, and our environmental and energy policies – just to name a few issues.
Clowns like the so-called DNC member who recently stated that he was “irritated” by the PUMA movement and angry Hillary supporters who actually give a damn about the future of America need to be thrown out of positions of leadership.
Quickly.
The Obamabots in the DNC have completely lost touch with reality by comparing the Presidential election process with a damned football/basketball/baseball game. And they have a LOT of damned nerve making that comparison – especially since they CHEATED to get their “chosen one” the Democratic nomination. Even children understand that winners don’t cheat.
Yep, they have awakened a sleeping giant. We are looking through different eyes now and that can’t be reversed.
ah, yes..my thoughts exactly.
The MSM is a disgrace. There are e-mails from the LA Times telling their paid bloggers not to mention the Edwards affair. The MSM is actually sitting on a major story about a possible VP candidate because …
If there were a security guard on tape telling how he spotted Mitt Romeny coming out of an LA hotel room – where his alleged mistress was staying and was photographed entering – at 2AM, THERE WOULD BE 24/7 COVERAGE!
I hope it’s not true. I like John Edwards. But, can we get an explanation, at least, somewhere, somehow? Because, sitting on a story sure makes it look true.
There is a lot of misinformation going around about PUMA. This is not good. PUMA needs to reach the average voters in the country. When the msm covers PUMA they make organization sound like a radical group made up of crazed Clinton supporters. People need to understand what PUMA is really fighting for. PLease people- when you read articles discussing PUMA- please blog your comments AND, if you can, include this link so that America understands that PUMA and the Denver Group and others are trying to protect our democratic process. Yes people are upset-DEEPLY UPSET- as to how Sen Clinton was treated and pushed aside in this campaign process but PUMA goes above and beyond Sen Clinton. PUMA is upset because our whole democratic campaign process was hijacked- BY OUR OWN DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!
HRC is living proof. Make no mistake about it- if we allow this hijacking to go on again in American campaign politics- it will continue to go on in all future elections.
YES PUMAs want HRC name on the ballot because she is CLEARLY the best candidate however- PUMA complaint goes above and beyond just HRC- PUMA is fighting to protect our election process- from the cannibals in our own democratic party…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYNRkoOxRc
Please forward this link to others-especially include it on blogs that discuss PUMA…
“When the msm covers PUMA they make organization sound like a radical group made up of crazed Clinton supporters.”
You’re absolutely right – about everything you stated.
But I’ve finally accepted a while back that no matter how organized we are and no matter how effective we are at spreading the important PUMA message, we will probably always be dismissed by those bastards in the MSM and in the DNC as “crazy” and “bitter” Hillary supporters.
F— ‘em.
Let them think and say whatever they want to about us. They’re going to anyway.
PUMA will fight on in spite of them. We will brush Obama, the DNC, the MSM and insane Obamabots everywhere else off of our shoulders. We will effectively spread our message to as many as possible.
And we will defeat those crooks in November.
P.U.M.A.
A little humor: http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jul2708-barack_buttons.b8ef793.html
Printer mistakenly added Sen. Larry Craig to an Obama political button
Too funny!
The Back Seat/Bathroom Stall ticket!!!
Idaho PUMA not voting for Larry LaRocco!
We are PUMA, hear us roar!!
NObama!!
Another Puma
http://larrysinclair0926.com/
PRO-OBAMA BLOG & SELF-PROCLAIMED NIECE OF JOSEPH R. BIDEN, D-DE, SOLICITS MURDER ON THE INTERNET
Posted by Larry Sinclair on July 27th, 2008
That is way WRONG….What is Joe going to do about that ?
This story is getting scary for Larry. But I think its true and has legs.
Joe Biden’s niece wants to put a contract out on someone. Posts it right on the internet…Unbelievable. Let’s see what they do with her.
That was a stupid move on her part, gives Larry S. some publicity if the MSM reports it….wait, what am I thinking, it won’t see the light of day.
She’s Biden’s “self-proclaimed” niece – take a look at the pic, she looks more like Biden’s auntie!
Joe Biden attracts bad publicity like dead stuff attracts flies. My local media covers Delaware and there is never a lack of colorful copy where Senator Loquacious is concerned.
(FKA I, Bama)
I must say…I did your moniker…LOL
Meant to say DIG your moniker….KEYBOARD IN OPEN REBELLION…
omg. LOL, I hadn’t even read what you said yet because I was laughing so hard at your posting name…haha
gee, when did soliciting murder become a progressive goal??
Probably around the same time it forgot it’s working class roots ( sigh )
wca and wodiej,
I am hoping that since Rev Wright identified my nasal deficiency, he might also have the remedy!
Larry’s website has been disabled, AGAIN !!!
The convention will be where the P.U.M.A. movement will either make a breakthrough or be marginalized.
Is there a plan for P.U.M.A.’s to come to Denver?
If so, Larry Johnson needs to take the lead in getting the word out.
J.J. – The Denver Group is in charge of that, not Larry.
The Denver Group
We may not be able to affect what happens at the Convention, so I have to take issue with that construct. Sometimes the bad guys do win, no matter how hard you try or how righteous your cause.
This movement is about the core principles of the Democratic Party. If Hillary is not nominated, then we should keep our movement together and become the new, improved Moveon.org.
Just my 2 cents.
I’m far more interested in what we do to move forward to take back the party and restore the populist big tent than what goes down in Denver.
Denver is a done deal, in my mind.
I want to know what’s next.
Looking for leadership, here, and I think it’s there.
It’s just not quite come together.
don’t leave AnninCa.
i like your thoughts.
some essays are over top here.
but most all here, i think, are well-intentioned people.
outrage expresses itself in many different variations.
take care.
Denver for many people here is the the main focus. The leader we want is Hillary Clinton.
I find the outrage that is expressed here is mostly because the Obama trolls and biased media. Other than that most articles are quite good.
Anne,
We really do like your comments. I know that if I was in the same chem class as you I probably would have gotten an F for the distraction.
Unless you let me copy your homework!
Ann, just go already. Jesus, I’ve died a thousand deaths over the past few weeks with your whining; I feel like the hero in some Hindu epic. If you’re so concerned about how all of this looks and are still wrestling with whether you can support Obama or not, then you’re more of a hindrance than a help.
Tin foil hats off to Perry Logan who can get a little ridiculous but makes himself heard. The world needs more activists, more passionate people, and I don’t care how weird and non-PC they might be.
In fact, the Clintons are famous for surrounding themselves with colorful characters and nonconformists; it was the source of many of their policy breakthroughs and also unfortunately how Hillary’s campaign devolved into chaos with no immediate check.
But in that spirit, Let people do whatever they like here, as long as you can support their goals. You just seem like a rubbernecker, and your comments are not helpful.
I like how quickly you turn on your own. Just as you have ignored every call for unity from Hillary. I support her. You PUMA lot do not. Johnson is a self declared Republican. Darragh Murphy is a McCain fan. You lot bring shame to the Hillary campaign and have the McCain camp laughing. How many McCainOnline points do you get for blogging here?
Hey troll, Axelrod says your shift is over. You can now go back to your video games and internet porn.
PUMA!!!!
*snicker*
Actually, workingclassdem, I have suspected for months, Anninca is not among the “one of us” you talked about. Not a troll exactly, but a mole. However, the real point is one you seem to have missed entirely, probably because you don’t really bother to read the blogs and just look for a place to insert your ideas. If you supported Hillary and now support Obama, that is your privilege granted by the constitution, but I would like to address your misconceptions. First, I will concede some Republicans post here as they do on every site where they are not banned. You should look at the history of PUMA more objectively, however. JustSayNoDeal is not one site, but over two hundred with some common threads. All supported Hillary and for all it is about much more. One issue is Obama himself. I am speaking only for myself, but I didn’t make up my mind until the second debate. Until then, I considered either Hillary or Obama nomination to be fine with me and told my family and friends this. Then I saw the waffling and inexperience, the media bias and SC, when his campaign playing the race baiting card, I was done with him. Second issue, the DNC. There was the silence on the media attacks on Hillary, her husband and her daughter. Months of Hillary supporters being branded racists and still nothing from the DNC. Comments by Brazil, Pelosi, Dean and others denigrating my years as a Democrat and being told my vote wasn’t needed. The stories of threats against SDs and the lies, lies , lies. In the last month, everything I had thought about Obama proven by his votes and statements and now, apparently, his choice for VP is a man who is against stem cell research and has a poor record on his support of women’s right to choose. I’m left with the choice of going along with the Democratic Party, not voting and not having a Party representing me or joining others to take the Party back. Sorry this is so long, but I have one last thing to say. Yesterday, I went to Huffpo for the first time in at least four months (when my comments were no longer posted) and I saw a strange thing there. This new party is apparently called the “Progressive” party now. I have no idea if Mr. Johnson is a Republican, nor do I care. This site is one of the few left where censorship is not imposed. No threats are allowed and very profane language is sometimes removed, but IDEAS? Never. I don’t agree with the Repug agenda and don’t particullary like John McCain, but the odd thing? I really trust him more than Obama and my vote in Nov. will be an attempt to win back the principles of the Democratic Party and if that means four years of McCain, I can live with that.
Anninca, it seems pretty clear to me and I am not willing to concede Denver. If the DNC breaks the rules or makes up new rules, that has to be pointed out on the Convention floor using procedural rules and points of order. I am convinced at least some of Hillary’s supporters are familiar with previous conventions and know some disruption tactics. If that idea offends you, sorry. It’s a bonafide tradition of the Democratic Party to fight for principles and when did we become so timid and fearful? For example, if Hillary’s name is put into nomination and voted on, but the vote is scheduled for 5am or midnight, to avoid msn coverage, it needs to be clear to Democrats not able to go to convention, exactly what is happening. If they succeed in nominating Obama, the plan is to defeat him in Nov. I’m not worried about leaders. There are leaders and it is my understanding they are studying the Rules carefully and will be willing to follow through. Everything the DNC and Obama are doing right now is to present a united front and if they use brute force, it will be obvious. Those are the goals as I understand them. Demand the nominating process and role call vote. Clearly object to any attempt to circumvent the rules. Defeat Obama and the DNC. The ultimate goal is to take back the Party from those who don’t even call themselves Democrats anymore, but “PROGRESSIVES”. And change the nominating process of the Party to reflect the votes of the majority and not the elite Party activists.
Thanks for the info on the Denver Group!!
Madamab….Movement transcendes the spark that initiated it….This is bigger than the politicians….PRINCIPLES BEFORE PERSONALITIES…..Good to hear
Yes but the point is that you still have to go to Denver, protest, try to get her name in nomination. Then the movement continues. It is a Boston Tea Party kind of moment.
Absolutely!!
The ACLU won part of their lawsuit on the convention.
http://www.5280.com/blog/?cat=2
Breakdown of the 18 million spent in pdf. Sort of ironic it’s 18 million.
They spent over 500,000 on mass arrest inmate processing.
http://tinyurl.com/5dv9gw
Thanks Diana. This is as bad as anything the Republicans have done. I hope the ACLU (and Democracy) prevails.
Ah, you guys are already marginal. And Obama is running away with it. Or don’t you get polling data on Planet PUMA?
Obama is running himself into a ditch!
2004
62 million republican
59 million democrat
18 million for Hillary
Obama only garners 77% of the total democrat vote today
That equals 5 million Hillary(Puma) votes for McCain
I told you before sf
We decide all elections in modern times.
Your selection is a national security risk to the United States.
And I told you, you are delusional.
1. 2004 results can’t be counted on this year. Party identification has shifted dramatically to the Democrats from the GOP since 2004; or were you not politically aware in November 2006?
2. Of the 18 million votes cast for Hillary, the vast majority will vote for Obama. I don’t know where you got your 77% figure but it is now utter horseshit. Just go to any political site that offers up to date polling data — fivethirtyeight, Rasmussen, Politico, whatever you want — to see the current electoral map — what people, including PUMAs, are telling pollsters today. The news is, just as I predicted, Obama is pulling away after his international trip. McCain’s latest disastrous political move — the awful ad accusing Obama of betraying the troops — is backfiring, as could also have been predicted by anyone who keeps up with politics — i.e., I haven’t noticed typical GOP attack ads on Democrats’ patriotism having much impact during the recent special elections.
But hey, you keep on fantasizing. Come November, when the entire planet explodes in a paroxym of elation at renewed hope for American vigor, change and democratic growth, you PUMAs can sit here in your little hole in the ground and pretend this election was stolen too, and talk about your third party. LOL.
Sf..
Why did Obama sit on his hands and wish for defeat in Iraq?
Why did obama not get up and clap the success of the surge like other patriotic Americans??
Why does obama court the Europeans who wish for retreat and defeat of America in the world?
Why did obama talk down about America in Berlin?
oh…Why didn’t Obama see the troops??
We know the reasons don’t we Sf
You and Obama both hate America and wish for defeat and retreat for America in the world
sf,
it took all of one click over to RCP to see the latest polls that you value so much
USA Today….McCain up by 4% over Obama.
Now that’s what I call a hell of a bounce out of Obama’s Misadventure.
Maybe people want a real leader that values country before self
McCain!!
For those who care, RealClearPolitics’ daily tracking average has Obama up over McCain by a bit over 3 points:
http://realclearpolitics.com/
He has also a higher favorability average in their “poll of all polls,” and has over 300 electoral votes in their overall electoral vote tracker. Gallup has Obama by 9, and Research 2000’s latest poll — a bit of an outlier — has Obama by 12.
But hey, if you can find one poll that gives McCain a lead, you focus on that one and feel good about yourself!
You are so desperate!
The bottom line is that obama is a national security risk!
I tried to warn you Obots that this election would hinge on national security.
you didn’t listen to sound judgment and instead forced your anti-American candidate on us.
You can never win an election based on defeat and punishment of the United States.
What you are seeing now sf is the rise of American Nationalism
We are done with America haters!!!
By “the rise of American nationalism” you mean Obama’s lead in the polls, which increases every day? I’m not sure I follow.
Once again: the fact that you Republicans wish to tar Barack Obama with the “American defeatism” brush doesn’t mean anyone will listen. In fact, the race was pretty much tied after the Fourth of July; since then, the subject has been focused on Iraq and foreign policy, and Obama has cleaned McCain’s clock. So, basically, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Why did Obama not get up and clap the success of the surge at the state of the union??
Why??
Where I come from that’s called wishing for defeat of your country
Nationalism is about pride and defense of ones country.
I see no evidence from Obama or his followers that they have any patriotism or pride in America
Are you completely naive, sfhillary? Don’t put your faith in elusive, ephemeral numbers. What an odd argument you are making. If you wouldn’t mind, can you answer a few questions for me? What your expectations are for Obama if he becomes president and has he done anything in the last fifteen months you have questioned or with which you have disagreed. When was the first time you voted for president and do you remember where and when you first heard Obama’s name and at what point you became a believer?
Still looking at RCP…for those who care, the RealClear averages also now give Obama slim leads in Colorado, Michigan, Ohio and Virginia, and (amazingly) has them tied in Florida. McCain does have a 2 point lead in Missouri, where he has spent a huge amount of TV money recently; expect him to fall behind there as well once Obama puts some money into that state.
Man it doesn’t take a lot to impress the Obama folks, cheering about polls leads in late July come on now come back and crow if he has this “lead” in mid or late October. But some tells me the O fans will have a slient night.
All right, MotorcityLiberal, I’ll still be here in October and I’ll try to remember your name. But FYI — I brought up the latest polls because as usual, you idiots were wallowing in the delusion that PUMA influence was growing and Obama was struggling. In fact, your influence is negligible and Obama is pulling into a comfortable lead. I know reality has little basis in your thinking, but still…
And by the way: if you like Obama’s lead today, wait a couple weeks till he’s having his convention and McCain is firing his latest campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, the genius who thought the McCain brand called for vicious negative advertising in the middle of the summer. LOL. So sad. Such flailing. Such a formerly heroic, respected American figure now reduced to a punch line by his own shitty campaign. Oh well. Better luck in 2012, Republicans. At least you can stop pretending to give a shit about Hillary Clinton, whom I guarantee you I respect more than 95% of the posters on this GOP board.
3 point s is in the margin of error.
McCain can overcome that.
I don’t trust polls- any polls- period.
I trust a candidate’s voting record.
No matter who you choose to vote for in November-people- PLEASE read this article. It is one of the best analyses that I have read to date on Sen Obama’s past voting record. It is frightening-truly frightening how he has manipulated and brainwashed most dems and progressives.
He DOES NOT support the people-he supoports the corporations.
Please read this article and forward link on to others…The truth NEEDS To get out…
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
Poor sf!
One question for you asshole
If Obama is doing so well why can’t he get over 50%?
Why is there a 17% undecided vote made up mainly of white voters who are more likely to vote republican
Why does Rasmussin say there is no significant bounce for Obama on his vaction tour?
Looks like people can see through your charade.
Look, I’m not even going to bother arguing with a bunch of fucking Republican talking points. Every four years, whoever is the Democratic nominee can count on being called an ultra-liberal, troop-hating, America-hating elitist, wimpy loser. Whatever. Your brand isn’t selling anymore. Get ready for the landslide.
If that’s the case sf why am I voting straight republican this year along with my wife, all the people that work for me ,my mom and most of the people from my church.
What has been exposed goes far beyond obama.
This is about democracy!
the democrat party has shown us that they are not fit to run America. Most of us including myself never had any idea of how undemocratic the party is.
In fact they are no more than two bit totalitarian thug socialists in the make.
Now do you get it…
The new democrats must be defeated!
One person one vote must be honored by all!
The democrats have violated their contract with the American people.
Sorry, i forgot to respond to this:
>If that’s the case sf why am I voting straight republican this year along with my wife, all the people that work for me ,my mom and most of the people from my church.
Because you are ignorant Republican assholes. Thanks for asking.
Country over Party!
The Republican brand may be damaged but they still love America.
You and your blame America first crowd have been exposed.
The Hillary supporters understand more than most the kind of politics you represent.
that’s why we are the Alarm Bell for the rest of the country.
Read um and weep buddy!
LOL Like I said, this is the exact same Republican spew we’ve been hearing since 1980. Isn’t playing anymore. Good luck rebuilding your party after your historic defeat this fall.
How many elections have democrats won since 1980?
oh that’s right..
you dissed the only two term democrat president in forty years.
Tell me why again Obama didn’t get up and clap the success of our troops?
I’m waiting for your answer?
My answer is, you’re a Republican asshole and this election will not be decided by your insanely trivial wedge issues. Not this time. That’s over. Read the polls. You people are the losers now, and your candidate is a loser. Everyone is laughing at him. Even Republicans are deeply dismayed at what an embarrassing campaign McCain is running, and terrified at how many seats they’ll lose this fall. Let me repeat: nobody gives a shit about your pathetic “issues” like who clapped when. People are frightened for their future and they trust Obama, not McCain. Live with it.
Judgment is everything Asshole.
Obama has failed to show that he loves this country!
When I saw Obama not stand and give credit to our troops, I realized at that moment that he would rather see America defeated in Iraq.
Everyone can see that he was placating his blame America base but sometimes you have to do whats right for your country and not whatever to get you the nomination.
I have changed from being a moderate democrat to a proud Republican.
sf
It’s about votes!
You keep calling me a republican yet I have voted straight democrat for the past 24 years.
I guess after reading your desperate rants I can conclude that the you really hate America and want it to be punished in front of the whole world.
Unfortunately for you,,What is stopping you from destroying the US are millions of moderate democrats that value country before party.
Plus by election day the republicans along with us FDR/Reagan/Clinton/women Democrats base will be out in full force to protect America.
i should answer this. Republicans “love America?” As proved how? By bankrupting the country? Botching the Iraq War disastrously? Ignoring our immense energy problems? Ignoring Al Qaeda in Afghanistan/Pakistan? Letting hundreds of American citizens die in New Orleans due to governmental indifference? Shredding the Constitution in the name of “security?” Staining the honor of the Justice Department through one politicization scandal after another?
Scumbags. Don’t defile phrases like “love America” by relating them to the band of unrepentant criminals known as today’s Republican Party. The public is wise to you. That’s why your candidates get hammered in one election after another, and McCain will be no exception.
sf..
I was a Dean supporter in 2004..Surprised?
The Republican party is being Reborn!
They are learning from their mistakes
If I thought that Obama had enough experience and that the democrat party had values I would surely vote for them like I have for the past 24 years.
Regrettably the democrat party doesn’t represent my values as shown in this nomination process.
I wouldn’t count on a big democrat victory this year.
Congress is polling at 9% approval and Obama can’t get over 50%.
We are in a recession and I believe that raising taxes is detrimental to our economy at this time.
National Security is the issue.
Obama by not crediting the surge shows that he is unfit!
I don’t know about running away with it. McCain is 4 points ahead in today’s USA Today/Gallup, even as Gallup Tracking has O up by 8!
Fox reported that internal to the 8 pt lead when they polled those voters most likely to actually vote, McCain has a 5 point lead. Guess that makes a difference and this after the grand world tour. OBots spin as well as their party leaders don’t they?
“Ah, you guys are already marginal.”
Yeah….
Which is why you clowns just can’t seem to stop coming here and posting out of quiet deep terror of your “chosen one” losing in November…
With every asinine post you Obama trolls post, your fear is sensed from miles away….
Beware sfhillary. The next time you may be the one put in the cage and denied your constitutional right to protest:
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ”
Thomas Jefferson
“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
Thomas Paine
“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. ”
Henry David Thoreau
“An injured friend is the bitterest of foes.”
Thomas Jefferson
These are my own words of wisdom: If you are unable to contribut something worthwhile to a debate yet continue to run your mouth, people won’t believe you are a fool. They will know it as a fact.
WOW…Great Post. This could be the start of a beautiful 3rd party….hmmm
I’m glad us PUMA’s are getting recognized. I am personally proud to be part of this movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP6aQfknjT0
DNC
WATCH OUT FOR POed PUMAS.
If we do not standup for democracy while the dnc sits down who will?
It a constitutional right to have fair elections.
It is not a privledge.
America was not founded by wimps.
We will not give away our rights without a fight.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
For more tidbits of Howard Dean escapade in Charlotte, NC; please come to our site charlottefrontandcenter
Dean’s right about one thing: 4 years ago, he was on the losing side, big-time. He lost by a much larger margin than Hillary.
His repeated attempts to compare his situation to Hillary’s are laughable. He didn’t even win one primary or caucus, did he? Yet he acts like he and Hillary had equivalent decisions to make on how to proceed. If he really believes that, it just shows how little he understands about the situation and the PUMAs.
He did win one Primary – his home state VT. And this was after he had suspended his campaign.
Yet his name was put into nomination at the Convention. He owes no less to Hillary. And the rules provide for that in any event. Not that rules mean anything to the new DNC.
Oh for fucks sake, people. Get a grip.
It’s up to Hillary whether her name goes up. She has the delegates to do it.
And you wouldn’t understand the rules if they bit you in the ass.
PUMA Princess- GREAT link-
only 1 thing missing-in my opinion- is the fact that MEN support PUMA too!!!The voters need to understand this -There are many men out there who CLEARLY KNOW that what happened to HRC is WRONG and that she is the best candidate and that our election process is in danger.
Thanks for link!
athy,
Thanks for that comment!
-MS
I really find myself in an odd spot, since I don’t agree with PUMA that the goal is to disrupt the convention. I do agree that the Democratic Party should be swatted down. My own position is simple. I see a good balance between a Democratic congress and a Republican president for 4 years, giving the Democratic Party opportunity to prove itself and regroup.
This bunch right now is a rag-tag team of losers, in my opinion. Edwards is trotted out as the great Dem leader. Today he’s hiding in bathroom stalls from Fox News. Richardson is the next big name. Oh lordy, what an embarassment. Gore is the revered one, and he’s practially running away from this bunch of idiots. One rally. That’s all he’ll commit.
Pelosi is out there using her position to campaign for her seat. Good. I wanted her to have to work for it. She’s so small potatoes she writes a book and ignores Hillary when discussing women in government. What a loser.
I am not interested in birth stories of Obama and think that’s true tin-foil hat stuff. I’m not interested in PUMA protests that turn out to be 12 people interrupting a speech. I’m not interested in petitions to reinstate Hillary as the candidate.
That sort of leaves me in my usual position……moderate Democrat. LOL*
But I’ll keep checking in.
By the way, a funny story for you guys. HuffPo ran a big headline about how Obama had doubled his lead according to CNN. Went from 3 points to 6. There were so many negative replies to how silly that was that they pulled the poll story entirely.
Just to let you know I’m not turning my back on you guys.
I’m just not interested in far-fetched theories, conspiracy stories, or plans.
A story about Hillary’s recent financial reports would be welcome. How did we do? Did we knock her debt down?
Then how do you think we affect change? The 12 people at that rally were out of a gathering of 150, that’s almost 10% of the crowd. There probably won’t be one BIG story or event that will bring down Obama, its the drip by drip chinking of the armor …..I too am a “moderate democrat” trying to wrestle away MY party from the coup that has taken it over. I am proud to be a part of this PUMA movement because we are making a difference.
I don’t know. I am focusing on down-ticket positions.
I am evolving just as many of us are. I know I’m avoiding the racists crud and the tin-foil hat stuff.
I am looking for some real leadership. It’s a bit hard to find right now.
But I sense it will emerge out of the rubble.
I know this. No way I will go to Denver. They are going to coop up all protestors far, far away from the delegates. You’ll be in a cage with a bunch of very strange people. Not me.
I THOUGHT I’d get by with no voting. Today, Rasmussen released CA figures. Lordy, McCain is within 10 points. That’s a shocker.
I have no real answer, other than I think the party leaders need to be brought down.
Your continued use of the phrase “tin foil hat” stuff and now “racist crud” is interesting Ann since I know you’ve posted here for a long time now. Divide and conquer is why these bots continue to post here. Good strategy for them, bad news for us Ann.
Well, I am not in the group dominating this blog right now.
I do not go along with the stories about his birth certificate.
Never have.
I trust I’m tolerated, anyway.
But I really do veer off, personally, at those stories.
I take offense at being told by PUMA sites that Hillary’s debt had to be paid off or else.
That was never confirmed.
Apparently, that was not true.
PUMA representatives who publish falsehoods should be held accountable.
The ends do NOT justify the means.
If that’s the case, then there is no real complaint to be lodged against the Obama powers.
I expect more.
I’ve never seen an ‘or else’ when being asked for money at any PUMA website.
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I’m going with Margaret Mead on this one.
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.
Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
Margaret Mead
Thank you MADMAB..that is my favorite quote..of all..it used to be my signature line on all my emails when I was fighting GWB online.. so hard!
Margaret Mead is a true hero to me!!..I only wish I could have met her.
fly..PUMA and damn proud of it!!
one of my favorite quotes -I wholeheartedly agree!
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world.”
True.
Throughout history, revolutions and social change began with SMALL groups of people – being ridiculed and shunned by the masses and people in power.
It’s not the size of the dog. It’s the size of the FIGHT in the dog that matters.
No you didn’t. In fact she had to loan her campaign another $1 mil in June to pay vendors.
I’m hoping July’s figures match what PUMA advertised. That was 10 million, but I can only find through June 30.
By MICHAEL LUO
Published: July 21, 2008
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton lent her campaign an additional $1 million at the end of June, underscoring the difficulty she is having staying ahead of creditors and retiring a mountain of campaign debt, filings with the Federal Election Commission show.
Dream on.
What part of “through June” did you not understand?
The money we raised was in July.
Thanks for playing.
That’s because the FEC hasn’t released reports yet. Hopefully it will make headlines. Until then, it has certainly made waves.
Small Donations Make Big Bucks for Obama
$30 of $50 Million in June comes from sums of $200 or less
Associated Press
Last updated: Tuesday, July 22nd, 2008 12:14:24 AM
Small donors have translated into big money for Barack Obama.
Of the 52 million dollars the Democrat raised in June, more than 30 million dollars came in individual sums of $200 or less. The Campaign Finance Institute says it\’s the highest amount raised in nuggets of $200 or less in the history of presidential fundraising.
Only a third of the 21.5 million Republican John McCain raised in June came from such small donors. Unlike Obama, McCain plans to accept 84 million in public funds for the fall campaign.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is facing mountains of debt for her failed attempt at the White House. The New York senator raised 2.7 million dollars from donors in June, but her personal loans to the campaign stands at 13.2 million. She reports owing vendors 12 million.
People are wasting their hard earned dollars on crap like Obama.
So true!
Wonder how much of that is from Rezko and friends?
PUMA!
Oh, yeah. And that roughly 30 million all came in one day, too. From overseas. Isn’t that great?
Hillary actually owns that 13 million. She insisted on assuming that portion of her debt herself, and this includes the Mark Penn debt which he may waive but is in no hurry to collect on. Hillary has placed the small business owners first and made sure they are taken care of. $13 million in a large national campaign that lasted so long is not unheard of or even that much. Half of that is Mark Penn’s and for postage. Hillary is in the black now.
Congratulations to PUMA supporters and other Clinton loyalists who worked so diligently to help raise funds. Here is the report from Open Secrets that shows just how much was accomplished.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=2008
Wow! Thank you for the link Hope. Now watch as Obama supporters try to take credit for the 10 million + raised by Puma sites.
Yesbama, Obama outspent Hillary 3-1 in all of the final states except Puerto Rico. She won 9 out of 13 primaries, most by more than fifteen points. Since when is the Democratic nomination for sale? Well, never mind. I guess he did pay for the SDs. Romney had much more money than McCain, but McCain got the votes. There is something just more than slightly obsene about it all being about money and how much he has along with claims it came from small donors. Look at the chart on opensecrets.org and you will find Obama’s campaign not quite as forthcoming with their information.
http://opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/watchdogs-compare-mccain-obama.html
Here’s my take….DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT THE MESSIEST POLITICAL SYSTEM THERE IS….And I’m OKAY with that….And sometimes things get ugly and messy….THERE ARE NO POLITE REVOLUTIONS….
*** AND FASCISTS ARE NOT KNOWN FOR TOLERANCE OF OPPOSITION ***
Why are people attacking AnninCA? She supports Hillary always has! She said:
Meaning the Democratic Party. Not us.
So she wants to down ticket those that supported this fiasco. I don’t see what she said that is wrong? For voicing her opinion? I know I’ve been called worse than strange.
Besides strange sort of fits with my state. The land of fruits and nuts. I’m a bitter gun toting redneck, bible thumping racist and bigot. (Just ask an Obama supporter)So guess I’m not part of the fruit section.
AnninCa, I don’t think putting HRC’s name in nomination and on the role call ballot amounts to disrupting the convention. PUMAs are trying to put the small “d” back into the Dem Party, so what’s so objectionable about that? I think the movement is much larger and important than your characterization of it.
Did you notice that the author closed the comments. Apparently he was getting a backlash from not so pro-obama people.
This is getting rediculous. The amount of people not liking Obama has to be very high right now. It amazes me that the DNC would committ political suicide to keep their golden boy. It shows just how “out of touch” they are.
While the story seems to be fair. It is actually quite bias. I can tell the author is Anti-Clinton, because he blames it all on “hillary supporters”. Did you get that not so clever cop-out.
They are not out of touch so much as they are IN LEAGUE with the corporations and Republican NeoCons. DNC/RNC: one big party.
Anin,
I don’t think it is fair for your to call people who are exercising their right to free speech LOSERS! People who are protesting have every right to do so without being blasted.
If you want reports on Hillary’s financial situation, you can google and go elsewhere to do your research or how about your posting your own here on this site if Susan and Larry will oblige you.
We look forward to your reporting about Hillary’s debt.
You misread my post.
I don’t think so Ann….you didn’t say the word but you implied it. Enjoy your lurking.
Awwww….leave AnninCa alone…she was saying that HoDo, Edwards and Gore are losers, not us.
I thought the same thing at first.
No madamab….she did use the word losers to describe the dems you mentioned….her description of the protesters in NC and many of the commenters here at NQ was none too flattering. I suggest if Ann has a problem with the posts here at NQ she email Larry or Susan. She’s being divisive and playing right into the trolls….unless she is one herself.
I had to think before I reacted.
Yes, I’m divisive.
I’ll own that.
I really would like to see PUMA not devolve into some kind of tin-foil hat group.
I think the issues are genuine, real, and require some real political effort.
2000 complaints in Texas and not one was validated by the Dems?
That’s absurd.
If that’s the case, why bother? Let every Dem candidate who is bold enough bus in thugs and take over caucuses.
People do need to speak out, loudly. About his birth certificate? Not in my opinion.
But anyone who imagined that we’d all be on the same page was kooky, in my opinion.
I’m not into that crud, or into bizarre tales of his antics in limos.
I am far more interested in how he fell into the trap of not visiting troops because his press corp, paid for by his campaign, couldn’t get pics.
I’m REALLY interested in hearing Larry’s take on Petraeus’s comments. Here we have a presumed nominee, making deals with Iraq that go against current military efforts.
To me?
That’s big story stuff.
Whatever. I’m really not a PUMA, I guess. Idon’t think it’s reasonable.
I am a Democrat against Obama.
Maybe we need our own animal logo.
But I love you guys.
I’m just not into your deal.
You can be a little house cat with a bell on your pink collar. Maybe a pretty yellow tabby like Morris.
I think that’s a fair criticism, Hope. I really am more of a chicken than PUMA.
I’ll support you at the polls, behind my curtain.
I’m just a voter here. My idea of activism is to make calls for Hillary and work the polls.
I won’t march on Denver and be in the corral.
I would really like to suggest that people contribute to anti-Pelosi campaigns.
She’s up for re-election.
It’s worth a shot.
She’s a snake.
Here’s where we definitely agree. Pelosi has got to gooooooooooo!
Then you should have thought before you reacted again Ann. Your rants are getting tiresome and annoying. Just my opinion.
I can’t imagine why I’d be annoying.
I’m a kitty cat!
Really, just a voter here.
but……can anyone talk about the latest polls in CA?
McCain is within 10 points.
Man, that’s shocking.
As for the anger, let me reassure you all.
I contributed financially to this site. I am guessing more than others, but I’m not bragging.
I gave the Max to Hillary. I can’t give more.
I am contributing to Democats who were not pro-Obama. Small amounts. But it adds up.
I may be way too chicken to go to Denver. It sound like a fiasco.
But I’m doing my part, and I’ll continue to do so.
I do insist on being honest here. I’m not on the tin-foil hat bandwagon.
But I am firm about my own principles and beliefs, and I’m putting my money where my mouth is.
So I’m OK with criticism.
I’ll listen, and I’ll take what I like and leave the rest.
I would love a site that is moderate. I can’t find one.
That site will get my donation, again.
Right now, the anti-Obama sites are way into the ozone…….
Birth certificates, eligibility, Sinclair…Oh lordy.
I am banking on this site because I think Larry is not a wacko.
I’m willing to be wrong.
Maybe I’m wrong.
I think it’s the summer months…Super Tuesday, Ohio and Texas, Pennsylvania and Indiana seem like such a long time ago.
I think we all agree that we will not vote for Obama – in my opinion, that is the most important action we can take as a group.
I think it’s a good thing that the Denver group is trying to make sure Hillary’s name will be on the ballot and that there will be a roll call.
I would like to see more investigations into Obama’s dealings with Ayers and Rezko. News on the relationship with Rezko seemed to have died. Obama is not vetted and no one in the MSM (what happened to Hannity?) or in the RNC seems to have come up with something that will stick.
I do believe that Obama is bad and will be bad for the country.
Meantime, it’s summer ennui.
Alee 21
In Case you missed this!!!
Read the last Blog, interesting story
http://www.plnewsforum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/34772/
“You’ll be in a cage with a bunch of very strange people.”
The Ethereal “Moderate” can’t be bothered with messy democracy.
And BY THE WAY TROLL, nice fucking try, but PUMA’s GOAL is to get Hillary’s name put in nomination and VOTED ON.
If that’s what you call “disrupting the convention” good luck maintaining the lie that you are a Dem.
Obama is drafting an 80,000 footsoldier army to intimidate the delegates in Denver and then go door to door for him.
Why aren’t you more concerned with THAT?
And, no, I don’t want to be in a cage in a red state, for damned sure, but it’s NOT because of the “strange people” I might be caged up WITH.
Just being honest here. Obama has cut off protesters.
No way am I going in his chicken cage.
*yikes*
I’m way to chicken for that baloney.
Then don’t put down people who are willing to make that sacrifice. Just my opinion.
Are you going?
I’m trying to, have to work out family issues, care for my children etc. You don’t know me or anyone else on this blog Ann and it saddens me that you now demean people who are trying to make a difference in any way they can. Some tirelessly research, like Texas Darlin. Others endure death threats to keep the movement alive. Rude comments help no one Ann. You protest your way, I can respect that…don’t ridicule those who protest a different way.
I don’t agree with you, but I’m not demeaning.
That’s nonsense.
Unless you think agreeing with you is required.
I think the eligibility issue is stuff and nonsense.
I’m entitled to not join you.
But I could afford to go to Denver, and I’m not going.
The reason?
Obama has blocked off real voices.
He’s challenged by the ACLU for his plan.
I’m appalled!
I’ll fight this in a way that makes sense for myself.
I’m going to bat against Pelosi.
I’m in her state. Every dime I give to a viable candidate against her makes her have to work for re-election.
I’m just going to follow my instincts here.
I’ve been a straight-Democrat ticket voter for 35 years here.
I refuse to let you insult me. Or let Obama supporters insult me.
I’m a solid Democrat, and I’m not a big player, but I have every right to register in my own way my own opinions.
This election is off-center.
It’s crazy-making. I will work for recentering.
I am not insulting you. Look though my posts. I am asking you not to use phrases like “tin foil hat” etc. I understand what you are doing. You are trying to distance yourself from what you perceive are the “crazies”. No one is forcing you to go to Denver. No one makes fun of you for not going to Denver, yet you make fun of those who do want to go. You make fun of those who look into all avenues to stop obama. We all want to recenter the party Ann. Let’s not be divisive.
Ann, thank you giving your opinion. I appreciate that you offer an alternate point of view that I am sure that many share.
I think many share your views. My mother and her friends would never think of posting on blogs or protesting in the streets. However, they have vowed to vote for McCain will vote only for candidates that supported Hillary. Not everyone is an activist.
I enjoy most of the articles and this site certainly helps me vent. Some of it is a little over the top, and I can understand why it turns some people off. But I think it is also nicely balanced with well researched artcles that the major media outlets would not dare to publish.
I don’t begrudge you for your opinion. I actually enjoy reading the different points of view that everyone has. There is more than one way of reaching a goal. We should all be accepting of divergent views lest we devolve into the plutocracy of Obama, and we become our enemy.
“However, they have vowed to vote for McCain will vote only for candidates that supported Hillary. Not everyone is an activist.”
That’s wonderful!
That IS an act of activism – voting against Obama.
Activism is not solely defined by marching in the streets. Marching is one FORM of activism. Mailing letters is another. Blogging, emailing, handing out flyers, making calls – ALL are forms of activism!
No one should get caught up with how much any ONE person is doing in the PUMA and JustSayNoDeal movements. Just as long as each person is doing SOMETHING to further the cause.
“For a surrealistically bizarre look at one of the prominent PUMA types on YouTube, check out this video of Perry Logan who was previously best known for slamming Republicans but has now switched to attacking Obama. Warning: You might need to have your brain scrubbed after watching the incredibly eccentric Perry Logan who was recently banned from the Democratic Underground for switching from attacking Republicans to slamming Obama. On the plus side you will also have some good laughs although you will be laughing more at Perry Logan than with him.“
Perry Logan a prominent PUMA?
LOL! In what universe?
Try laughing at Will Bower and Heidi Li and Darragh Murphy and Riverdaughter.
Oh wait, you can’t. They are logical, intelligent and well-informed.
Nice try.
Oh trust me I spend plenty of time laughing at the pathetic Republican Darragh Murphy!
Obama would love to get some more Republicans in his column. When Yesbama tells you he laughs, he cries a little inside. Fucking clown.
Yesbama, go play at the DUmp. Nobody here gives a damn about anything you post. And nobody here is voting for Nobama.
PS.
I love you, Perry Logan. Keep up the good work!
“Yesbama, go play at the DUmp. Nobody here gives a damn about anything you post. And nobody here is voting for Nobama.”
Really!
These Obama trolls need to keep it moving. Nobody’s listening to those losers here.
Oh, MY! Banned from Will-I-AM-THE-PITT’s Undemocratic Underground for attacking the OMessiah????
What a shocker.
Will you people just stop it and fall in line like you are suppose to and quit your crying!
Obama is the nominee and to bad, he was pre-selected because of his plans of Hope and Change.
He has already started implimenting change by moving the DNc HQ to Chicago and when he wins in November, the White House will be in Chicago too, in a mansion bought thanks to Rezko. That is Obama’s forward thinking in action, appreciate it and marvel at it!
With all Obama’s plans, Democrats will be in power for years, do not forget Obama said in2016 he will be able to walk out of his front door and go to events at the 2016 Olympics, so he knows he will be POTUS for many years.
So ignore the fact that he is a pathological liar, a do nothing politician and an oportunist, he is a like-able guy with a proud wife.
If you do not fall in line, then you are just a bunch of untrue Democrats and racists to boot!
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I’ve heard them called “hussies” short for lunatics who adopt the middle name “hussein.”
Funny that Mel….Commissar Donna Brazeal would approve…well except that little truism about Dear Leaders’ character….grrrrr….LOL
I’d like to say that I am so proud of this website. I was floundering around for info and finding very little until I stumbled on NoQuarter. Since that day, I find it hard to tear myself away. Larry and Susan, thank you so much for what you have given us here. This is a place to learn, to vent, and most of all a place to find out that you are not alone in your beliefs. When we all come together we are strong and confident and can make a real difference. The people who post here bring together vital information that when put together tell the whole story. Thanks to all you wonderful people who work so hard to keep us informed. You have begun a movement that will make a difference to our country and we can all be proud to be a part of it. God bless you.
Found this site today that links to No Quarter.
Impeach, expel Barack Obama
andy martin on the surge:
Anti-Obama movement leader Martin says disaffected Democrats are “surging” against Obama in the media and online.
(NEW YORK)(July 28, 2008) The “surge” that Senator Barack Obama focuses on is the increased troop presence in Iraq that Senator John McCain uses to embarrass his opponent. Obama opposed the “surge” in Baghdad, said the plan would fail and steadfastly refuses to admit that the policy of increasing troop strength to aid in peace efforts has succeeded.
In point of fact, the U. S. Army always maintained that without adequate troops, the Army would not be able to restore order in Iraq. The 2003 invasion was a flawed policy triggered with inadequate military strength that metastasized into the desperate conditions that existed in 2006. I was and continue to be a very vocal opponent of the invasion. I also recognize that having “broken” Iraq, we can’t just pull out. And so we are stuck trying to work with the Iraqi government to withdraw on a rational “schedule.” Even the word schedule is now becoming contested and controversial.
Nevertheless, this column is not about the “surge” in the Middle East. That surge does not threaten the Obama candidacy as much as the growing “surge” within the Democratic Party.
My observation of presidential campaigns goes all the way back to 1952, when president Harry Truman drove through my hometown of Middletown, Connecticut. Every campaign since then has featured a “committee” of supporters for each presidential candidate that originates in the opposing party. There were “Democrats for Nixon” and “Republicans for Gore,” and so forth. With varying degrees of efficacy and energy these “opposition” groups are organized to create the impression of national campaigns drawing endorsements from the full spectrum of political activists.
2008 has been different. The “opposition” first manifested itself in the Republican Party, where so-called “conservatives” and “evangelicals” announced their lack of support after McCain won the Republican Party primaries. While “conservatives” were attacking McCain, Democrats tut-tutted that their candidates, Senator Hillary Clinton and Obama, were indistinguishable on the issues and would easily coalesce and unite after the primaries.
The Democrats’ belief was that after either Clinton or Obama clinched the nomination, organized opposition within the party would cease.
That has not proven to be the case. Democrats are opposing Obama with increasing energy and increasing organization. Truly, the “surge” inside the Democratic Party endangers the Obama campaign much more than the surge in Baghdad.
First, Obama is an “image” candidate. He is obsessed with his image; his success is based on image and imagination. The existence of vocal resistance to his candidacy within the Democratic Party jeopardizes the illusion of unanimity and party unity, and shatters his image.
Second, if the opposition to Obama reaches the match point and ignites, Obama could be embarrassed in Denver. After Clinton suspended her campaign, Obama thought he had a green light to run roughshod over her supporters. That has proven to be a mistaken view. Clinton supporters want to be heard in Denver. I was surprised a couple of weeks ago to see an advertisement in the Chicago Tribune demanding that Clinton’s name be placed in nomination. http://thedenvergroup.blogspot.com/
My guess is that a very strenuous effort is going to be made to place Clinton’s name in nomination in Denver, forcing Obama into a roll-call vote.
The Obama campaign has sought to steamroller Clinton supporters into dropping their announced support for Clinton as the price their meaningful participation in Denver. This hauteur appears to have backfired. Many Clinton supporters, who feel she did not receive fair treatment during the primaries, are refusing to be absorbed by the Obama organization. This is not to say that most Clinton supporters did not join Obama, or won’t support him. It is too soon to say. But the anti-Obama resistance is not dissolving and disappearing as his camp had predicted.
Our national political parties are delicate and to some extent artificial constructs. In the modern era they have not been designed to conduct business when there is internal opposition. Prior to 1960, conventions were spirited and untidy affairs. Today they are scripted events. The script is being shredded in Obama’s case.
Third, although e-mail and the Internet were significant as early as 2000, this is the first presidential election where the “aggregation” power of the Internet is being used to collect Clinton supporters so they can be aggregated as an continuing opposition to Obama. I don’t know how strong these groups are or how well organized they will prove to be. I have made no effort to measure them. See, for example:
http://www.puma08.com/,http://justsaynodeal.com/index2.html,http://www.clintons4mccain.com/
There may be other similar organizations (please contact me if you exist).
But any opposition to Obama’s image could prove fatal, since image is the foundation of his campaign.
How does Obama react? I am not sure there is an easy answer. His initial Chicago-style response of threatening to crush the opposition may have backfired. The pro-Clinton Obama opposition is not under the thumb of the Democratic Party. Just as Obama energized new voters, Clinton did the same. The anti-Obama movement is independent of the Democratic Party’s traditional command and control.
There is clearly a cleavage between Democrats who want to take the party more to the left, supporting Obama, and those who want the Democratic Party to be more centrist, supporting Clinton.
Clinton was criticized in 2007 for running a “centrist” presidential campaign. She was accused of acting as though she were already the nominee and maneuvering her stands on issues towards “the center.” (Horrors.) The Obama surge in 2007 forced Clinton to tack to the left. Democrats as a group, however, are not any more monolithic than the Republicans. There are shades of opinion on most questions.
Many Democrats, for example, understand the surge in Iraq, and are sensitive to the potential consequences of a precipitous withdrawal from that country. However ill advised the 2003 invasion may have been, many Democrats supported the invasion. They understand we have to leave only when conditions permit sustained peace.
Likewise the “young” voters that Obama touts as his base may recognize that he plans to loot their pension savings to support their elders.
Clinton supporters will no doubt continue their guerilla war over the next few weeks and into the fall. Originally I was planning to attend the Denver convention. Then I thought it would be a bore. But as the Clintonistas continue to surge, and as Obama’s defenses prove porous, I am back to believing I should be in Denver.
As for McCain, are the evangelicals and “conservatives” similarly surging against their candidate? I see no evidence of that fact. The tables unexpectedly turned on the Democrats; they thought Republicans would have the greater internal problems. Today it is Democrats who face greater internecine upheaval and opposition.
FULL Disclosure: My new book, Obama: The Man Behind The Mask, comes out this week. The publisher will start shipping today. I am already working on a new book for the next phase of the presidential campaign. And, yes, I have made a choice.
Someone asked me recently if I would work “under the radar” against Senator Obama. I stated, as the Washington Post has written about me, that I do not work “under the table.” I work out in the open.
The “hard left” fantasizes that I run a powerful secret organization. That’s flattering. I tease the leftists by suggesting I have a clandestine bunker deep underneath Midtown Manhattan. Nevertheless, I have decided to oppose Obama’s election and have become Executive Director of The Stop Obama Coalition, http://StopObamaCoalition.com. By default, I have become the national leader of the anti-Obama movement. We are going to run a very dynamic and aggressive campaign against Obama. I will continue to write my column for ContrarianCommentary.com. Book orders: http://Orangestatepress.com.
works for me.
PUMA.
Thank you for the link. Great article. Someone should send him the list of Puma sites as he requested.
I do not see why the Democratic party establishment
has a problem with us. They threw us out of the
party. They said that they did not need us anymore.
So we left. Why do Donna Brazille, Howard Dean and company have a problem with us not supporting Mr. Obama now? I do not see any reason for them to be worried
that we are NOT supporting Mr. Obama, since the party
did not want us anyways.
Can’t access the website you recommend http://www.StopObamaCoaliton.com
“When the msm covers PUMA they make organization sound like a radical group made up of crazed Clinton supporters. ”
because you ARE a radical group made up of crazed clinton supporters!
I would add delusional, paranoid, conspiracy-mongering, sore loser, GOP rat fuckers to the list as well.
And no one would care.
Loser.
Calm down Steeveeeboy, your nervousness is showing…worried about Barry a bit are you?? hahahahahahaha!
Hey Stevie read this:
http://larrysinclair0926.com/
PRO-OBAMA BLOG & SELF-PROCLAIMED NIECE OF JOSEPH R. BIDEN, D-DE, SOLICITS MURDER ON THE INTERNET
Posted by Larry Sinclair on July 27th, 2008
You better hope this doesn’t hit main stream media..
Talk about deadly obamabots.
Steveboy got us just about right, except for the “GOP” slur.
And just for the record, we are not all women.
If we were GOP ratfuckers, we wouldn’t be sore losers or Clinton supporters. Tell them to up your dosage at whatever psych ward you’re writing from.
Hey Obottom!
The only thing that is “Sore” is your asshole from all the Unity Pony abuse you’ve been heaping on your worn sphinctor.
The MSM is ignoring this story. The MSM is ignoring the Edwards story. I guess they feel it’s OK to censor information.
There were more PUMAs at deans stop in Atlanta.
The conflunce has a story on it.
When PUMAS show up at a speech the might be few in number but they make their point with style and class.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMA RULES
They really weren’t few in number if you consider that the entire rally only had 150 people. If anything the measly 150 who bothered to show up to see Coward Dean is more telling.
I went to the Raw Story site, I used to visit there everyday. I didn’t see anything in favor of Hillary or PUMA. It seemed like a total cheerleading site for Obama.
OT, did anyone read the article on John McCain supporting the ban on Affirmative Action in AZ? This is happening, of course, because so many Hispanics have come into AZ illegally and their strategy is to use the U. S. civil rights laws, Affirmative Action, and the welfare state to get a foothold and take over. AZ can’t cope with the scope of the problem and they’ve gotten no help from the federal government even though the Democratic governor has pleaded with Bush to send them assistance.
McCain said in a speech before a Hispanic business group that he would not support Affirmative Action based on race, ethnicity, or country of origin for opportunities. He made a statement that Obama actually made during the primaries when he was showing his true self. He said that all Americans should get opportunity and quality education and no ethnic group should be favored.
If you think about it, this show some true leadership that we haven’t seen in this country since Bill Clinon. He told these people a hard truth they didn’t want to hear knowing that they probably won’t vote for him.
I’m starting to like some things about John McCain. There’s nothing I like about Barack Obama. Now Obama is slamming McCain for saying the same thing he said a few months ago and Obama has totally changed his stance.
This is great news, because McCain has been performing less than spectacularly with the Hispanic community. This is because his daring legislation went nowhere. It became an opportunity for his party to demonize immigrants in this country, instead.
McCain seems like a reasonable person. His recent trips to Latin America, and Obama’s reluctance to broach immigration reform or any other subject, gives McCain an opportunity to connect with this significant portion of the voting population.
Obama is using his community organizing (ahem) experience to try and redraw the map. I was reading about how he plans on using absentee ballots in VA, which can now make up 1/3 of voters, between active duty military, students and jailed prisoners who are awaiting trial. Same thing for FL.
Latinos are putting new swing states into play, and no one can estimate just how much influence they can wield. The community seems very active and eager to play a role in our politics, though. If McCain shows some real spine and demonstrates a willingness to reach out to Latinos – and I think he will – this could make for a more vibrant and progressive GOP.
Found this article at PUMApac blog…PUMA Power in Europe baby!
“In Berlin, supporters of one of these organizations, PUMA (Party Unity My A**), were distributing leaflets calling for such an open party convention. Obama’s security team confiscated the leaflets, not only from the PUMA organizers themselves, but also from any spectator who passed through the security gate, leaflet in hand. So much for Obama’s oft-cited “change.”
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/07/26/p27257
Go PUMAs!
Obama’s security team confiscated the leaflets, not only from the PUMA organizers themselves, but also from any spectator who passed through the security gate, leaflet in hand.
What? I’d like to see some Obot (or anyone) try to grab something out of my hand without my permission.
All the name-calling and censorship against P.U.M.A. will not change the fact that this group’s members are committed to their cause, and organized to boot. A true grassroots effort.
Stevee is the best the Obot propaganda machine can throw at PUMA?
Then, AnninCA can’t make up her mind whether to stand up or get in the kool-aid line.
If that’s all the oppositional ammo that’s out there…well then PUMA is making tracks and impressing more voters than can be counted.
Good! PUMA change is real change!
Nonsense. I’m not for Obama. Never will be. I think the guy is a naive idiot.
But I also don’t think he’s not eligible for election.
I’m not in that bunch, either.
I’ll resign from PUMA if that kind of thinking is required.
I’ll be happy tucking into the other huge percentage of registered Dems who aren’t for Obama.
So far, that’s up to 60% of Hillary supporters.
I’m obviously in good company.
There’s no “bunch” Ann. You can continue to make your points without calling others names. Just my opinion.
Look….AnninCA, Everybody has a right ( presently ) to offer their take and to criticize….I have to say that since I am a disgruntled and discarded former democrat whose income is working class…Sometimes being called a tinfoil hatter gets a little annoying….Kinda like being called uneducated or menopausal….See my drift…
Now I, a humble student of history see definite HOOEY and PATTERNS of FASCISTS from Day gone by…..If that makes me a tinfoi hatter….I’LL SCRAPE SOME PENNIES TOGETHER AND BUY STOCK IN THE ALUMINIUM INDUSTRY.
( all i know is somebody HIJACKED the party FDR built…and I’m mad )
DEMOCRACY IS MESSY…..WHEN IT’S WORKING….
Well, if you’re into the birth certificate story, then you’ve earned the tin-hat label. LOL*
Personally, I always read your posts. You and I aren’t in agreement, but I still like your perspective.
I’m not into agreement. I agree so much with myself that I am annoyed sometimes. *haha
But I have no use for the tin-foil group. If that’s PUMA, then OK…….I’m outta there.
Honestly, guys….I’m just one person. No big deal.
but I could be a bit of a warning.
If PUMA is going to get way weird, it may die a quick death.
I didn’t join PUMA because of Obama’s birth certificate.
Anyway, I plan to just watch and see what happens next.
Perhaps PUMA disappears.
Well…We all get spanked cause….This site attracts spankers LOL
read your posts because you try so hard to be reasonable…and you have been in the thick of it since the beginning….
There are NQ regulars that always make me think….and laugh even when I don’t agree with them ( or I am being spanked or called out )
Truth is….NQ is a refuge whether we sport tin foil, vinyl, or questionable hair…chuckle
I was afraid you left the other day….Glad to see you’ll continue to post your opinion….Even a recalicitrant tin hatter from TEXAS needs a dose of sunny california moderation….know what I’m sayin
Oh…and to be clear….I’m into Barry’s response on his paper work or lack there of….Funny how Obama demanded stuff from the Clinton’s and can’t seem to pony up…verrry interestink…N ?
I wish someone would address that fact that many of us PUMA’s were not Hillary supporters ..I was an Edwards supporter..and volunteer…
Many of us PUMA’s are disenfranchised Florida and Michigan voters who saw our votes robbed by Obama and the Democratic hierarchy, and some of us even saw the theft in Caucus’s across the nation.
I have worked very hard since 2000 to have our votes in Florida count and be counted. Votes from many who sacrificed all for that vote, as my state has one of the highest populations of Vets in the nation…people who fought for that vote…
To only see the theft of our votes go from Republicans to now the democratic party. I guess the Democratic party realized that people would not take to the streets in massive numbers.. over votes being stolen… so they could easily steal our votes this time as well!
I will vote for the first time in my 56 YEARS FOR A REPUBLICAN..I WILL VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.. ..a true American Hero, who sacrificed for this nation when many others did not. ( for many reasons , some their own and others not)
I do remember in 2004 that John Kerry begged John McCain to be his VP…I remember it well as I was an Elected Kerry Delegate from the State of Florida.
Seems to me that the democratic party didn’t dislike McCain then..in fact they thought so highly of him then to make him a Vice President for our party.
I do not believe military service is required to be president..but experience does matter and I will gladly vote for McCain with his lifetime of experience over OBLOWME’s total lack of any experience, or good judgement of the crooks he has surrounded himself with, for a very very long time.
My co-workers on 9/11 died at the hands and reign of one ignut with no experience..and no National Security experience..the fear I had over Bush then and how he was forced upon this nation and the fear I have of Obama for many of the same reasons, will not allow me to vote for him. Under any circumstances.
This is the man I will vote for ..because I will sleep better at night knowing he is sitting in “MY” White House. A man with integrity and experience, and who cared enough to serve this nation ..and cares more about the soldiers who wear our uniform that a damn basketball game or a workout.
This is John McCain:
( for those young people who know nothing of the man and who cheer on an ignut who never sacrificed a damn thing for this country!)
Jon McCain:
“In 1968 he was offered early release, and when he refused, because others had been there longer, his captors went at him again; he suffered cracked ribs, teeth broken off at the gum line, and torture with ropes that lashed his arms behind his back and that were progressively tightened all through the night.” Source Vanity Fair, February 2007
“He spent two years in solitary confinement, suffered from dysentery and even tried to commit suicide by hanging himself with his own shirt.
In 1968, the Vietnamese broke off many of his teeth at the gum and tortured him for hours on end. They offered him early release, knowing his value as an admirals son, but he refused, saying others had been held captive longer.” Source Daily Mail, February 1, 2008
fly..a very proud PUMA!
P.U.M.A.
There are no party principles, and values, when you steal 2 million votes. It’s un-American!
Please let me Add, although I was an Edwards supporter..I would proudly vote for Hillary..I believe she is the most qualified for the Job As President that shares my democratic principles and values, and I believe she is ever so qualified for National Security this nation needs..
But if Hillary is not the nominee after the convention..John McCain gets my vote..hands down.
fly ..PUMA
right ON flyarm!!
WooT!!
BOOYAH !!
PUMA BABY!!
HILLARY OR MCCAIN
PUMA Power!
Seriously you guys, lay off AnninCa. She’s no troll or whatever else you called her. Don’t turn into Obamamabots!
Many of us come at this from a wide variety of views, positions, and political bents, and oppose Obama for a laundry list of reasons. My number one is and always has been the RBC-condoned fixing of the MI/FL debacle. That was the last straw for me but even if I had been able to overlook it, Obama’s frighteningly neoconnish advisers and positions would have sealed it. I don’t care about his birth certificate, supposed Muslimism, whatever…Those aren’t issues to me. Doesn’t mean I am not on board with opposing him any way I can.
I suspect some of the same is true of AnninCa.
Unlike Obamanation, we do tolerate dissent.
Dissent is one thing DancingOpossum, Ann is insulting. I draw the line.
Stick around here long enough….Everybody gets spanked…No big deal
Thank you. I was so sure I wouldn’t have to make a hard decision. I’m from CA. God, we’re so blue. I could stay at home!
Wouldn’t you know, today’s Rasmussen poll shows McCain within 10 points of Obama in CA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lordy,lordy…….that’s the breaking point.
I may have to work for McCain.
I can’t tell you how that makes bile come up in my throat.
But the altenative is worse.
If there is even a shot at turning CA red, I’ll work for it.
I hate that poll. LOL*
I do think Obama needs to be defeated, soundly. The only thing I’m concerned about is that it will be dismissed as racism.
I think, therefore, it’s almost more important to knock out a major leader.
I am hoping Pelosi is a target.
This isn’t easy for many of us….I have never voted GOP in 29 years…
I have been PO’d at the party before….This in my opinion is an animal of a different species….This is beyond Party.
Obama is a Fascist….I’ll wear my tin foil hat proudly.
I refuse to wear a tin-hat.
LOL*
But I will vote for McCain if those dang polls get closer in CA.
Can you believe it?
Within 10 points in blue CA?
No one is making you wear a tin foil hat Ann. And by the way, I live in CA too. And there are some who would say that if you think that California is going red because of a 10 point poll spread…time to get fitted for a hat. Just my opinion.
I live in California. The same sex union initiative is on the ballot in November. This may bring out the social and religious conservatives who will vote for McCain.
This could make it more difficult for Obama to carry California.
Well I hope you’re right. The gay marriage ban vote may invigorate the republican base, but we’re not a swing state. It would take a lot to make California go red IMO. It would be nice for Barry to have to work harder I guess, but that means we’ll be subjected even more Obama ads.
Last year, Obama refused to have his picture taken with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom because of the Mayor’s support of gay rights.
It will be interesting to see how Obama falls on the issue of same sex unions-especially if supporting the same sex union initiative could swing the election.
and on CO, there is a life begins at conception issue on their ballot, to put the kaibosh on Uhhbamas mtn state strategy and bring out the hard right voters in droves, yep, couldnt happen to a nicer guy, yep
Gosh Ann…I was hot gluin a very stylish cowboy one for ya ( sigh )
I’ll have to save it….chuckle…
hey ann the ballot initiative out our way in the Southwest is the end of affirmative action, it is spreading to ballots nationwide..
since Uhhhbama said he is against race absed affirmative action he can get on baord with this
BWAAAHAAAAAHAAA
ah man this karma thing just keeps gettin better really it does
BWAAAHAAAAHAA
(the EEOC is well equipped to handle these cases in the future)
ann I luves ya but the guy wants a private police force for domestic issues if that aint fascism what is?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/07/gains-for-mccai.html
Don’t PANIC! You folks ARE having an impact!
McCain leads in USA TODAY POLL!
Patrick
There is a God. I want Obama crushed. He is so pompous. Only a really snooty person says that 100,000 to 250,000 defines middle class. I wanted to smash him into the wall when I saw that. Is he implying that I’m lower class. I wish I got special breaks on my loans and could vote to raise my salary. He is despicable.
Oh noes, the wrong candidate got the post Euro-stunt bump!
I can understand, Ann. I’ve been waiting decades for VA to finally go Blue in a Presidential election, only to see that it may happen with a candidate in the (D) column who calls himself “postpartisan” and holds Republican positions. But then the FISA vote showed us there are only 20 “real” Democrats in the Senate (HRC being one.) I don’t expect much better from the 111th Congress regardless of whether it’s McCain or Obama in the Oval Office. So I do understand those who hope for a miracle in Denver.
Once the GE starts, PUMAS should launch a campaign to unseat Pelosi!
It should be a coordinated part of PUMA’s ongoing national campaign against the shenanigans of the DNC, etc. and not just left up to California PUMAs–although we will sure do our part.
Many in the Bay area are very unhappy with her do-nothing stance on impeachment, on voting to fund the war, and on FISA.
Also, this is a hunch, but I think SF Mayor Gavin Newson–a HRC supporter–is unhappy with Pelosi too for the above reasons and for supporting BO (who BTW recently snubbed Newsom at an event).
I think the Puma Power should follow the schedule of Dean’s Bus from now til the convention. There must be Puma’s in every state.. Set something up to have a demonstration in every state.. Especially large cities, if possible. Also have leaflets to pass out, when your there, so the people, that are there to listen to Dean can also see what the fuss is all about.Not everyone listens to news, or has a computers. So word of mouth works also.
Please people do NOT give up.
You ARE making progress!
http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/07/gains-for-mccai.html
Pat
Sorry, double post…my bad
It would be interesting to find out how much money Obama will be spending, or has already spent, advertising on the MSM channels.
Additionally, it would also be interesting to find out if any of the MSM reporters, staff, etc. have been hired as paid consultants by the Obama campaign or associates, or been promised jobs in an Obama Administration.
This would explain why the MSM corporations have become Obama’s lapdogs and their reporters his press secretaries.
Obama now says that people making 100,000 to 250,000 are middle class. That is an insult of the highest kind. That isn’t middle class, that is lower upper class. Middle class is usually 50,000 to 100,000. Obama is so disgusting. Does that mean if you make less than 100,000 you’re poor? Maybe if you buy 600 dollar earrings with a stimulus check. Obama can kiss my ass.
Didn’t Obie say something like if you can’t afford the arugula, you’re not a member of the “New Democratic Coalition?” Or was that Donna Brazile?
P.U.M.A.
How do we organize local chapters of PUMA?
contact your regional PUMA coordinator and they can give you a good handle on setting up a local group!
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WooT!!!!
Thank you.
Uh, Ron Paul supporters get plenty of attention. The reason you PUMA’s don’t get attention is because you’re less numerous and less impressive than them. GOP astroturfing imo.
we were on tv again today how about you ?
hmm not so much huh, you guys like to work under sheets dontcha! frakkin tools
I hope all those smart parents out there, that were voting for Obama in the Primaries, have done more DD on the Obama guy,and has educated there first time voter teenagers,it’s important to check out the accompliments, history,and past associates,of the people they are voting for.Past accomplishments,gives people a good indication Of what a Good President stands for. Really risky, going with a unknown.imo
I just received an invitation from Tom McMahon of the DNC “One month from today, more than 75,000 Americans will join Barack Obama at the first truly open Democratic National Convention in a generation.
If you make a donation in any amount before midnight this Thursday, July 31st, you could join Barack backstage before he accepts the Democratic nomination.
Watch this short video invitation from Barack and make a donation of $5 or more today”
This is an open convention? where it’s just another grandstanding event?
We are of course a mixture of many many things here at NQ, we are all voters. I like all the different facets and stories, everyone is bringing something to the table, and everyone is supporting what efforts they can to do what they can to either ensure a roll call, vote for Senator McCain, vote against Obama or pray hillary will end up winning the convention nomination. We have a common thread of country before party, some of us are PUMA, some not but are mostly supportive of PUMA, and the Denver group.
It’s home here, I am glad I found it a month or so ago, I need a place where there is a forum of many with just as many ideas and stories. Support what you can honestly, that always works for the best, and understand contribution is a way of helping. It is ok not to be interested in each and every topic, but remember all are working for the same goals I would say to be fairness in voting, country before party and stopping Obama. Most important, vote. That’s just my take.
1st vote for Clinton
Last vote for McCain
and a vote against any who support backtrack nobama
Amen Devide
Notice the BO minions have about three points they repeat and repeat
The polls: about 77% of the 18 mil going for their leader
That we on the anti-Obama sites are ‘racist’
And BO is going to be the next president.
Now it doesn’t matter to them that even with the msm censoring everything negative about der Fuhrer he still almost breaks even with McCain and this is before the convention and if he takes the nomination before all of the real fireworks from the Republican party. I mean with all the propaganda why isn’t he ahead by 20 points? Why, because people see right through him because there’s absolutely nothing to see. Thank God for these sites.
The Obamabots are claiming The One isn’t getting a bounce because of, you guessed it, racism.
I think this is their new slogan:
IT’S THE BLACKNESS, STUPID!
To which, I reply:
IT’S THE CANDIDATE, STUPID!
Didn’t they say this about Sen Clinton’s primary momentum (and his losses) from March on through June?
“Not all anti-Obamam sites are racist. This one is.”
First, you’re ignorant about what racism IS. In fact, Obama threw the race card on the table, and so did his wife. I’m not going to dredge up all the links that prove it, because Obamatans tend not to demur to the truth.
Obama is a divider, and he is supported by a LOT of big corporate players, because he talks the soothing talk that Americans need after four years of Bush.
Obama is a GREAT orator, but it’s all rhetoric, and no action.
Where Obama will fail is his inability to resonate with middle America; he can’t fake that. The press can help him, but it won’t be enough.
McCain will be the next President. I’m not happy about that, but the Democrats have nobody to blame but themselves.
btw, McCain is NOT George Bush. He will not screw this country up the way Obama would. Imagine the letdown if Obama wins; all his promises turning to dust. Just what America DOESN’T need.
Obama is a shark.
What happened to the comments made by the troll and all the responses to the troll? This happened on previous pages.
What’s going on?
If these have already been posted sorry! it’s important that we get signatures on these petitions.
One is to impeach senator Obama the other to force him to produce a real copy of his birth certificate! They need 1000 signatures!
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/obamaimpeachment
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/pro…th-certificate
CQ
LISTEN TO THIS POST!
A PERSON FROM CHICAGO TELLS THE TRUTH!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg_QYCy689c
LISTEN TO THIS POST!
A PERSON FROM CHICAGO TELLS THE TRUTH!Of Obama
http://www.lynettelong.com/
Thank you Matt.
The man’s passion about telling it like it is with Barky should be heard around the world.
Puma’s really do rock. I like many others oppose Obama for serveral reasons. First is, i don’t really believe that he won the nomination fairly, that is without the assistance he recieve from illegally held caucauses, and the overwhelming support from the DNC. I was and am still very disappointed with my Party. I will do what it takes to see that Obama is not our next President.
Let us not forget how the media used their sexist words against Hillary and all women.This video shows that even the media who are sexist trys to speak for all men of how they feel of women.
This is your wife~ Your mother~~Your daughter~You grandmother and you sister that the media has used this presidential race to discredit all women ~ The media is well useing alll the great men who stands up for their wifes~ Mothers~daughters~grandmothers and your sister.
This is wrong!I love my wife~My mother~ My daughters~These men here are so hatefull~How can anyone of them who here say such a thing?What about their daughters!Wifes~Mothers~and siters.Is it hey go with it. I will not have anyone speak to my wife~Mother or daughter in this way!My grandmother was a hard working ,loving person.R.I.P Mema My grandfather was a loving man who stood by his wife and family.R.I.P Papa I love you!
With Mekki I believe that is her name sit their a listen to this.Really I guess her job means more to her then her family if she has a daughter,How could she allow this.It shows that her job is more inportant. Shame on you all at MSNBC!Shame.
Shame on the democratic party who allowed this as well as they are in with MSNBC to do this on all women and Hillary the best candidate we have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U
Don’t waste your vote if it’sd not Hillary.Vote McCain~ Bennie Mac~ Obama didn’t stand up aginst his sexist ways as well.He said “Hey man I love you” What was that?
NOOBAMA !
Can’t access the website you recommend http://www.StopObamaCoalition.com
I watched a women representing PUMA on Hardball last evening, and a man representing Just Say No Deal. Unfortunately, they were both very poor representatives for whatever it is that might be positive that these organizations are attempting to accomplish. Both displayed obvious political and racial prejudice. If they can’t have it their way, they grab their marbles and run home.
The guy embarrassed Just Say No Deal in the way he had his facts badly wrong or plainly distorted them. For instance, in one comment about the 2000 Florida election fraud, he implicated Howard Dean. Dean had nothing to do with that election except for his own possible, private voting.
He went on to blame Howard Dean for what he claimed was the manipulation of the 2004 primary voting. The only thing Dean had to do with that election was managing and running in his own campaign. Such nonsense left one wondering if this guy was just illiterate or lying.
He, of course, considered Dean and the DNC the faultiest parts of this national election. I will remind this fellow that it was Howard Dean and state and county chairs of the Democratic Party who assured that the grassroots members of the party were given attention, fully participated, and finally, democratically, were able to take over the management of their party since the debacles of the past two presidential elections.
It was Howard Dean who recognized the need to give serious attention to those states the DNC simple wrote off under previous chairs as unavoidable losses. And anyone who has studied the results of the primaries during this year can see the positive results of that attention promoted by the grassroots of the Democratic Party and its chair, Howard Dean.
It was Howard Dean who led the DNC to take a stand against the Democratic Leadership Council, the DLC, made up of Democratic Washington insiders who have truly been responsible for such faulty election activity for about twenty years–and that includes both Bill Clinton terms. These people have moved so far to and across the center that they are virtual Republicans. That is not bipartisanship. That is not honorable compromise. That is the troublesome capitulation that so many of you PUMA and Just Say No Deal people complain about. Howard Dean took a strong stand against them.
And your people who just say they won’t vote for Barack Obama but can’t give a single substantial reason for their announced intention clearly show to others their racial prejudice–prejudice that they are unable to recognize themselves. And that’s the saddest, most dangerous part of all.
This is sad. This is illiterate. This is prejudiced. This is fragmenting. This is disrespectful of genuine free democracy. And this is certainly out of line with true Democratic Party philosophy.