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		<title>By: Gilbert Cantlin</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-565184</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Cantlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched a women representing PUMA on Hardball last evening, and a man representing Just Say No Deal.  Unfortunately, they were both very poor representatives for whatever it is that might be positive that these organizations are attempting to accomplish.  Both displayed obvious political and racial prejudice.  If they can't have it their way, they grab their marbles and run home.  

The guy embarrassed Just Say No Deal in the way he had his facts badly wrong or plainly distorted them.  For instance, in one comment about the 2000 Florida election fraud, he implicated Howard Dean.  Dean had nothing to do with that election except for his own possible, private voting.

He went on to blame Howard Dean for what he claimed was the manipulation of the 2004 primary voting.  The only thing Dean had to do with that election was managing and running in his own campaign.  Such nonsense left one wondering if this guy was just illiterate or lying.

He, of course, considered Dean and the DNC the faultiest parts of this national election.  I will remind this fellow that it was Howard Dean and state and county chairs of the Democratic Party who assured that the grassroots members of the party were given attention, fully participated, and finally, democratically, were able to take over the management of their party since the debacles of the past two presidential elections.  

It was Howard Dean who recognized the need to give serious attention to those states the DNC simple wrote off under previous chairs as unavoidable losses.  And anyone who has studied the results of the primaries during this year can see the positive results of that attention promoted by the grassroots of the Democratic Party and its chair, Howard Dean.

It was Howard Dean who led the DNC to take a stand against the Democratic Leadership Council, the DLC, made up of Democratic Washington insiders who have truly been responsible for such faulty election activity for about twenty years--and that includes both Bill Clinton terms.  These people have moved so far to and across the center that they are virtual Republicans.  That is not bipartisanship.  That is not honorable compromise.  That is the troublesome capitulation that so many of you PUMA and Just Say No Deal people complain about.  Howard Dean took a strong stand against them.

And your people who just say they won't vote for Barack Obama but can't give a single substantial reason for their announced intention clearly show to others their racial prejudice--prejudice that they are unable to recognize themselves.  And that's the saddest, most dangerous part of all.

This is sad.  This is illiterate.  This is prejudiced.  This is fragmenting.  This is disrespectful of genuine free democracy. And this is certainly out of line with true Democratic Party philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a women representing PUMA on Hardball last evening, and a man representing Just Say No Deal.  Unfortunately, they were both very poor representatives for whatever it is that might be positive that these organizations are attempting to accomplish.  Both displayed obvious political and racial prejudice.  If they can&#8217;t have it their way, they grab their marbles and run home.  </p>
<p>The guy embarrassed Just Say No Deal in the way he had his facts badly wrong or plainly distorted them.  For instance, in one comment about the 2000 Florida election fraud, he implicated Howard Dean.  Dean had nothing to do with that election except for his own possible, private voting.</p>
<p>He went on to blame Howard Dean for what he claimed was the manipulation of the 2004 primary voting.  The only thing Dean had to do with that election was managing and running in his own campaign.  Such nonsense left one wondering if this guy was just illiterate or lying.</p>
<p>He, of course, considered Dean and the DNC the faultiest parts of this national election.  I will remind this fellow that it was Howard Dean and state and county chairs of the Democratic Party who assured that the grassroots members of the party were given attention, fully participated, and finally, democratically, were able to take over the management of their party since the debacles of the past two presidential elections.  </p>
<p>It was Howard Dean who recognized the need to give serious attention to those states the DNC simple wrote off under previous chairs as unavoidable losses.  And anyone who has studied the results of the primaries during this year can see the positive results of that attention promoted by the grassroots of the Democratic Party and its chair, Howard Dean.</p>
<p>It was Howard Dean who led the DNC to take a stand against the Democratic Leadership Council, the DLC, made up of Democratic Washington insiders who have truly been responsible for such faulty election activity for about twenty years&#8211;and that includes both Bill Clinton terms.  These people have moved so far to and across the center that they are virtual Republicans.  That is not bipartisanship.  That is not honorable compromise.  That is the troublesome capitulation that so many of you PUMA and Just Say No Deal people complain about.  Howard Dean took a strong stand against them.</p>
<p>And your people who just say they won&#8217;t vote for Barack Obama but can&#8217;t give a single substantial reason for their announced intention clearly show to others their racial prejudice&#8211;prejudice that they are unable to recognize themselves.  And that&#8217;s the saddest, most dangerous part of all.</p>
<p>This is sad.  This is illiterate.  This is prejudiced.  This is fragmenting.  This is disrespectful of genuine free democracy. And this is certainly out of line with true Democratic Party philosophy.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-512297</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 10:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yesbama, Obama outspent Hillary 3-1 in all of the final states except Puerto Rico. She won 9 out of 13 primaries, most by more than fifteen points. Since when is the Democratic nomination for sale? Well, never mind. I guess he did pay for the SDs. Romney had much more money than McCain, but McCain got the votes. There is something just more than slightly obsene about it all being about money and how much he has along with claims it came from small donors. Look at the chart on opensecrets.org and you will find Obama's campaign not quite as forthcoming with their information. 

http://opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/watchdogs-compare-mccain-obama.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesbama, Obama outspent Hillary 3-1 in all of the final states except Puerto Rico. She won 9 out of 13 primaries, most by more than fifteen points. Since when is the Democratic nomination for sale? Well, never mind. I guess he did pay for the SDs. Romney had much more money than McCain, but McCain got the votes. There is something just more than slightly obsene about it all being about money and how much he has along with claims it came from small donors. Look at the chart on opensecrets.org and you will find Obama&#8217;s campaign not quite as forthcoming with their information. </p>
<p><a href="http://opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/watchdogs-compare-mccain-obama.html" rel="nofollow">http://opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/watchdogs-compare-mccain-obama.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-509073</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, workingclassdem, I have suspected for months, Anninca is not among the "one of us" you talked about. Not a troll exactly, but a mole. However, the real point is one you seem to have missed entirely, probably because you don't really bother to read the blogs and just look for a place to insert your ideas. If you supported Hillary and now support Obama, that is your privilege granted by the constitution, but I would like to address your misconceptions. First, I will concede some Republicans post here as they do on every site where they are not banned. You should look at the history of PUMA more objectively, however. JustSayNoDeal is not one site, but over two hundred with some common threads. All supported Hillary and for all it is about much more. One issue is Obama himself. I am speaking only for myself, but I didn't make up my mind until the second debate. Until then, I considered either Hillary or Obama nomination to be fine with me and told my family and friends this. Then I saw the waffling and inexperience, the media bias and SC, when his campaign playing the race baiting card, I was done with him. Second issue, the DNC. There was the silence on the media attacks on Hillary, her husband and her daughter. Months of Hillary supporters being branded racists and still nothing from the DNC. Comments by Brazil, Pelosi, Dean and others denigrating my years as a Democrat and being told my vote wasn't needed. The stories of threats against SDs and the lies, lies , lies. In the last month, everything I had thought about Obama proven by his votes and statements and now, apparently, his choice for VP is a man who is against stem cell research and has a poor record on his support of women's right to choose. I'm left with the choice of going along with the Democratic Party, not voting and not having a Party representing me or joining others to take the Party back. Sorry this is so long, but I have one last thing to say. Yesterday, I went to Huffpo for the first time in at least four months (when my comments were no longer posted) and I saw a strange thing there. This new party is apparently called the "Progressive" party now. I have no idea if Mr. Johnson is a Republican, nor do I care. This site is one of the few left where censorship is not imposed. No threats are allowed and very profane language is sometimes removed, but IDEAS? Never. I don't agree with the Repug agenda and don't particullary like John McCain, but the odd thing? I really trust him more than Obama and my vote in Nov. will be an attempt to win back the principles of the Democratic Party and if that means four years of McCain, I can live with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, workingclassdem, I have suspected for months, Anninca is not among the &#8220;one of us&#8221; you talked about. Not a troll exactly, but a mole. However, the real point is one you seem to have missed entirely, probably because you don&#8217;t really bother to read the blogs and just look for a place to insert your ideas. If you supported Hillary and now support Obama, that is your privilege granted by the constitution, but I would like to address your misconceptions. First, I will concede some Republicans post here as they do on every site where they are not banned. You should look at the history of PUMA more objectively, however. JustSayNoDeal is not one site, but over two hundred with some common threads. All supported Hillary and for all it is about much more. One issue is Obama himself. I am speaking only for myself, but I didn&#8217;t make up my mind until the second debate. Until then, I considered either Hillary or Obama nomination to be fine with me and told my family and friends this. Then I saw the waffling and inexperience, the media bias and SC, when his campaign playing the race baiting card, I was done with him. Second issue, the DNC. There was the silence on the media attacks on Hillary, her husband and her daughter. Months of Hillary supporters being branded racists and still nothing from the DNC. Comments by Brazil, Pelosi, Dean and others denigrating my years as a Democrat and being told my vote wasn&#8217;t needed. The stories of threats against SDs and the lies, lies , lies. In the last month, everything I had thought about Obama proven by his votes and statements and now, apparently, his choice for VP is a man who is against stem cell research and has a poor record on his support of women&#8217;s right to choose. I&#8217;m left with the choice of going along with the Democratic Party, not voting and not having a Party representing me or joining others to take the Party back. Sorry this is so long, but I have one last thing to say. Yesterday, I went to Huffpo for the first time in at least four months (when my comments were no longer posted) and I saw a strange thing there. This new party is apparently called the &#8220;Progressive&#8221; party now. I have no idea if Mr. Johnson is a Republican, nor do I care. This site is one of the few left where censorship is not imposed. No threats are allowed and very profane language is sometimes removed, but IDEAS? Never. I don&#8217;t agree with the Repug agenda and don&#8217;t particullary like John McCain, but the odd thing? I really trust him more than Obama and my vote in Nov. will be an attempt to win back the principles of the Democratic Party and if that means four years of McCain, I can live with that.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-508938</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 04:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you completely naive, sfhillary? Don't put your faith in elusive, ephemeral numbers. What an odd argument you are making. If you wouldn't mind, can you answer a few questions for me? What your expectations are for Obama if he becomes president and has he done anything in the last fifteen months you have questioned or with which you have disagreed. When was the first time you voted for president and do you remember where and when you first heard Obama's name and at what point you became a believer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you completely naive, sfhillary? Don&#8217;t put your faith in elusive, ephemeral numbers. What an odd argument you are making. If you wouldn&#8217;t mind, can you answer a few questions for me? What your expectations are for Obama if he becomes president and has he done anything in the last fifteen months you have questioned or with which you have disagreed. When was the first time you voted for president and do you remember where and when you first heard Obama&#8217;s name and at what point you became a believer?</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
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		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beware sfhillary. The next time you may be the one put in the cage and denied your constitutional right to protest:

"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. "
Thomas Jefferson


"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." 
Thomas Paine 


"Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. "
Henry David Thoreau


"An injured friend is the bitterest of foes." 
Thomas Jefferson

These are my own words of wisdom: If you are unable to contribut something worthwhile to a debate yet continue to run your mouth, people won't believe you are a fool. They will know it as a fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beware sfhillary. The next time you may be the one put in the cage and denied your constitutional right to protest:</p>
<p>&#8220;All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. &#8221;<br />
Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>&#8220;He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Paine </p>
<p>&#8220;Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves. &#8221;<br />
Henry David Thoreau</p>
<p>&#8220;An injured friend is the bitterest of foes.&#8221;<br />
Thomas Jefferson</p>
<p>These are my own words of wisdom: If you are unable to contribut something worthwhile to a debate yet continue to run your mouth, people won&#8217;t believe you are a fool. They will know it as a fact.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-508848</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Diana. This is as bad as anything the Republicans have done. I hope the ACLU (and Democracy) prevails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Diana. This is as bad as anything the Republicans have done. I hope the ACLU (and Democracy) prevails.</p>
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		<title>By: elise</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-508828</link>
		<dc:creator>elise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anninca, it seems pretty clear to me and I am not willing to concede Denver. If the DNC breaks the rules or makes up new rules, that has to be pointed out on the Convention floor using procedural rules and points of order. I am convinced at least some of Hillary's supporters are familiar with previous conventions and know some disruption tactics. If that idea offends you, sorry. It's a bonafide tradition of the Democratic Party to fight for principles and when did we become so timid and fearful? For example, if Hillary's name is put into nomination and voted on, but the vote is scheduled for 5am or midnight, to avoid msn coverage, it needs to be clear to Democrats not able to go to convention, exactly what is happening. If they succeed in nominating Obama, the plan is to defeat him in Nov. I'm not worried about leaders. There are leaders and it is my understanding they are studying the Rules carefully and will be willing to follow through. Everything the DNC and Obama are doing right now is to present a united front and if they use brute force, it will be obvious. Those are the goals as I understand them. Demand the nominating process and role call vote. Clearly object to any attempt to circumvent the rules. Defeat Obama and the DNC. The ultimate goal is to take back the Party from those who don't even call themselves Democrats anymore, but "PROGRESSIVES". And change the nominating process of the Party to reflect the votes of the majority and not the elite Party activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anninca, it seems pretty clear to me and I am not willing to concede Denver. If the DNC breaks the rules or makes up new rules, that has to be pointed out on the Convention floor using procedural rules and points of order. I am convinced at least some of Hillary&#8217;s supporters are familiar with previous conventions and know some disruption tactics. If that idea offends you, sorry. It&#8217;s a bonafide tradition of the Democratic Party to fight for principles and when did we become so timid and fearful? For example, if Hillary&#8217;s name is put into nomination and voted on, but the vote is scheduled for 5am or midnight, to avoid msn coverage, it needs to be clear to Democrats not able to go to convention, exactly what is happening. If they succeed in nominating Obama, the plan is to defeat him in Nov. I&#8217;m not worried about leaders. There are leaders and it is my understanding they are studying the Rules carefully and will be willing to follow through. Everything the DNC and Obama are doing right now is to present a united front and if they use brute force, it will be obvious. Those are the goals as I understand them. Demand the nominating process and role call vote. Clearly object to any attempt to circumvent the rules. Defeat Obama and the DNC. The ultimate goal is to take back the Party from those who don&#8217;t even call themselves Democrats anymore, but &#8220;PROGRESSIVES&#8221;. And change the nominating process of the Party to reflect the votes of the majority and not the elite Party activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/28/pumas-are-surging/comment-page-2/#comment-508326</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, but the proof will be at the ballot box --unless Hillary is nominated.  PUMA has become an anthem up here in the Northeast, a household word.  

In my state, I have received at least three calls from Dems pleading for help with the Shaheen candidacy -- and always, always mentioning that she strongly supports Obama... I sometimes just slam the phone down after making a PUMA howl, or scream "Oh my God, not Hussein Obama!!!"  then I yell PUMA!!!  It feels great!!  Not a penny for the DNC or any Dem who supports Obama.

Believe me, the Obama effect will be felt all the way down the ticket!  Plan now to take down the names of every Dem from your state you see at the Convention that jumps on the Obama wagon -- then pledge to work as hard as you can to get them defeated in November.  We can't all go to Denver but we can rock our communities!

Send the DNC a message that hijacking our democratic process will bring massive consequences.  We are not 5 % or 10% or even 20%.  I believe PUMA and sympathizers are closer to 40% and will block the Obama coronation.  yeahhhh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, but the proof will be at the ballot box &#8211;unless Hillary is nominated.  PUMA has become an anthem up here in the Northeast, a household word.  </p>
<p>In my state, I have received at least three calls from Dems pleading for help with the Shaheen candidacy &#8212; and always, always mentioning that she strongly supports Obama&#8230; I sometimes just slam the phone down after making a PUMA howl, or scream &#8220;Oh my God, not Hussein Obama!!!&#8221;  then I yell PUMA!!!  It feels great!!  Not a penny for the DNC or any Dem who supports Obama.</p>
<p>Believe me, the Obama effect will be felt all the way down the ticket!  Plan now to take down the names of every Dem from your state you see at the Convention that jumps on the Obama wagon &#8212; then pledge to work as hard as you can to get them defeated in November.  We can&#8217;t all go to Denver but we can rock our communities!</p>
<p>Send the DNC a message that hijacking our democratic process will bring massive consequences.  We are not 5 % or 10% or even 20%.  I believe PUMA and sympathizers are closer to 40% and will block the Obama coronation.  yeahhhh!</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn't they say this about Sen Clinton's primary momentum (and his losses) from March on through June?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t they say this about Sen Clinton&#8217;s primary momentum (and his losses) from March on through June?</p>
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		<title>By: trixta</title>
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		<dc:creator>trixta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the GE starts, PUMAS should launch a campaign to unseat Pelosi! 

It should be a coordinated part of PUMA's ongoing national campaign against the shenanigans of the DNC, etc. and not just left up to California PUMAs--although we will sure do our part.

Many in the Bay area are very unhappy with her do-nothing stance on impeachment, on voting to fund the war, and on FISA.  

Also, this is a hunch, but I think SF Mayor Gavin Newson--a HRC supporter--is unhappy with Pelosi too for the above reasons and for supporting BO (who BTW recently snubbed Newsom at an event).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the GE starts, PUMAS should launch a campaign to unseat Pelosi! </p>
<p>It should be a coordinated part of PUMA&#8217;s ongoing national campaign against the shenanigans of the DNC, etc. and not just left up to California PUMAs&#8211;although we will sure do our part.</p>
<p>Many in the Bay area are very unhappy with her do-nothing stance on impeachment, on voting to fund the war, and on FISA.  </p>
<p>Also, this is a hunch, but I think SF Mayor Gavin Newson&#8211;a HRC supporter&#8211;is unhappy with Pelosi too for the above reasons and for supporting BO (who BTW recently snubbed Newsom at an event).</p>
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