BREAKING: Delegates Announce Petition Drive! (Updated)
By SusanUnPC on August 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM in Delegates, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination
Alegre’s Corner has put up a petition drive from delegates to Denver.
Read Alegre’s notes on her telephone conversations with several delegates behind this effort.
HERE is the press release:
08/01/08
Press Release
2008 DNC Floor Nominating Petition Messages for Bloggers and Blog Radio HostsThe Following Email can be posted in the blogs.
EMAIL FOR DELEGATES TO INQUIRE ABOUT PETITION: hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Here’s ALEGRE’S ADVICE for each of us: Get that email contact info out to as many folks as possible and link to this wherever you blog. Write LTE’s to let people know this effort is underway. Send it out to everyone in your contact list in an email. Tell friends at work. Talk this up to your family and friends. Neighbors.
I. UNITY AFTER THE CONVENTION DEPENDS ON HAVING A TWO-NAME BALLOT
A. Whether the Democratic Convention ends with the party united depends on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the nominating election ballot.
B. As many as a thousand additional Clinton-pledged delegates are expected to swing behind Obama, if he is elected the party’s nominee after a genuine election with both his and Clinton’s name appearing on the ballot.
C. This same thousand are expected to remain aloof from the Obama general election campaign, effectively dividing and weakening the party, if Obama is simply given the nomination without a real election, without a two-name ballot.
D. The thousand Clinton delegates who remain in play feel that an Obama election “victory” resulting from a one-name ballot would be hollow, illegitimate, undemocratic, disenfranchising of eighteen million primary and caucus voters, and, therefore, insupportable.
E. The key to a unified Democratic Party after the Convention is a genuine nominating election, with two names on the ballot, such that the losing side will be able to accept their defeat, knowing that they and their electors have at least had their voices heard.
II. HOW DO WE GET A TWO-NAME BALLOT? WHAT ROLE DOES A PETITION PLAY?
A. Clinton’s name will appear on the ballot only if a petition of 300 to 600 delegates is lodged in support of the Senator’s name being placed on the ballot.
B. In addition to lodging the petition, the Senator must also request in writing that her name appear on the ballot.
C. The decision whether her name will appear on the ballot is entirely Senator Clinton’s, but only if she has the supporting petition. Without it, she is powerless to decide; with it, her request, if she makes it, cannot be denied.
III. IS THE PETITION DRIVE UNDERWAY? IF SO, WHO IS DRIVING THE EFFORT?
A. The petition drive is well underway, and it is driven entirely by delegates and volunteers who feel it important that whether Hillary Clinton’s name appears on the ballot should be determined by the Senator herself, not by technicalities in Democratic Party rules. Hillary Clinton and her staff have had no role whatsoever in the petition drive; it has been a grass roots effort from start to finish.
IV. DO CLINTON’S PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTERS CARE ABOUT TWO-NAME VERSUS ONE-NAME BALLOT?
Certainly they do. Clinton primary and caucus voters are telling their delegates that if they don’t represent them by voting in an election where Clinton’s name appears on the ballot, they will have failed in their solemn obligation to carry the voters’ voices forward to Denver.V. WHAT BECOMES OF THE PETITION IF SENATOR CLINTON DECIDES NOT TO HAVE HER NAME PUT ON THE BALLOT?
It will live on as proof to future historians that Hillary Clinton declined to put her name on the ballot as a matter of choice, not because she was kept off the ballot by a technicality. The petition will also serve to memorialize those whose commitment to democratic principles led them to become signers of this historic document.
VI. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PETITION AND THE TWO-NAME BALLOT?
Concerned citizens can learn more about the petition and the rules governing nominating election ballots by contacting one of the many delegates and volunteers who are closely involved in the petition drive. Some suggested contacts are as follows:
hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Also, the most important rules governing the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominating election process appear in the Call To The 2008 Democratic National Convention, Articles VI and VIII. Those Articles appear below.
These are the Official Rules of the 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention Regarding the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President:
Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the
Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the nominator.
e. Delegates and alternates shall maintain order during and following nominations for the Office of President and demonstrations shall not be permitted.
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FULL TEXT
I. UNITY AFTER THE CONVENTION DEPENDS ON HAVING A TWO-NAME BALLOT
Whether the Democratic Party emerges from its Convention unified, or broken beyond repair, depends, more than anything else, on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the presidential nominating election ballot. This technical issue has emerged as one of the most important keys to bringing as many as a thousand Clinton delegates behind Barack Obama, should he, as most expect, win the nominating election that is to be held in Denver on August 27th. There are a small number of delegates, maybe a hundred, who seem certain not to get in line behind the party’s presidential nominee, regardless of how the election is run, unless that nominee turns out to be Hillary Clinton. Hopes of bringing these hundred home to the Party are fading fast. A further few hundred Clinton delegates have already thrown their lot in with Obama, and seem determined to support him no matter what. They are not considered by the party establishment to be a problem. But in the vast middle ground lie the rest, the thousand or so men and women pledged to Clinton, who could, if convinced that they have been treated fairly, given their say and given their vote, be persuaded to back Barack Obama, should he emerge victorious from the August 27th election.
So these 1,000 are the key to unity. If only Obama’s name appears on the ballot, and that’s how he contrives his win (one person, one vote, one candidate), these middle-ground Clinton delegates will almost certainly not come on board. They say they will feel the election was rigged, their right to vote was denied, their own electorate was disenfranchised, and that they will not be able, in good conscience, to support a sham.
If, on the other hand, the August 26th election offers two genuine choices, and even if the favorite wins, though these delegates will not be pleased, they will, they say, be satisfied. They will have lost. They will accept it. They will fall in line and can be expected to cheer, maybe not so loudly as others, but cheer nonetheless, when Obama strides into history in Invesco Field the following day.
So for those who want our party to confront McCain in unity and in strength, the lesson is this: hold an open election, give half the party their votes, put two names on the ballot, and we will have unity. We will be strong. We will prevail.
II. HOW DO WE GET A TWO-NAME BALLOT? WHAT ROLE DOES A PETITION PLAY?
For Hillary Clinton’s name to appear on the ballot, Democratic Party rules require that two things must happen. First, there must be presented to the Secretary of the Convention a petition supporting the placement of Senator Clinton’s name in nomination, and this petition must be signed by not less than 300 nor more than 600 accredited delegates to the 2008 Democratic National Convention. The petitioners can be Clinton-pledged, Obama-pledged or Uncommitted. It does not matter for whom they intend to vote. But they must support the notion that the ballot should present to the voters a genuine choice, and if more than 300 say through their signatures that they favor a two-name ballot, the first of only two requirements for a legitimate election will have been fulfilled.
The second legal prerequisite to Senator Clinton’s name appearing on the ballot is that she must make a written request, also before 6pm on the 26th, that her name should so appear. Without a petition, her request will be ignored; with it, her request cannot be denied. So both are necessary, but the final choice is Senator Clinton’s to make. Her choice is available and her decision is binding, only if there is a supporting petition.
III. IS THE PETITION DRIVE UNDERWAY? IF SO, WHO IS DRIVING THE EFFORT?
The drive to gather 300+ signatures on the petition is well underway. It is entirely a grass roots effort by delegates and volunteers. Neither the Senator herself, nor any of her staff, have played even the smallest role in the gathering of the signatures. On the contrary, the effort is driven entirely by people in the trenches, most of whom are Clinton supporters, some of whom are Obama supporters, but all of whom believe that it is essential to democracy, unity and legitimacy of the election, that Clinton’s name appear on the ballot, should she so desire. Those behind the petition insist that Senator Clinton should have the choice, that she should not be kept off the August 27th ballot by a technicality.
IV. DO CLINTON’S PRIMARY AND CAUCUS VOTERS CARE ABOUT TWO-NAME VERSUS ONE-NAME BALLOT?
Indeed they do. Clinton voters across the country are telling their delegates they are under a solemn obligation to carry the electorate’s eighteen million voices to Denver. They are saying that if the delegates fail to register their votes for Clinton because her name does not appear on the ballot, the voters will feel that the system has failed them, the delegates have failed them, and that the party’s nominating process has completely ignored them and treated them as if they didn’t exist. They are very concerned that their preferences be fairly reflected in an open, two-names-on-the-ballot election.
V. WHAT BECOMES OF THE PETITION IF SENATOR CLINTON DECIDES NOT TO HAVE HER NAME PUT ON THE BALLOT?
It will live on as one of the most important documents in this most historic of elections. It will serve as proof to future generations that Hillary Clinton declined to put her name forward in August 2008 as a matter of choice, not because she was forced off the ballot. It will show that Senator Hillary Clinton had broad and passionate support, even up to the eve of Convention, and that her decision not to contest the election was hers, and hers alone. The petition will be copied, bound, and studied by future historians, so signers can be assured that their commitment to the democratic process will be documented and remembered for as long as woman and man have the ability to read.
VI. HOW CAN I LEARN MORE ABOUT THE PETITION AND THE TWO-NAME BALLOT?
Concerned citizens can learn more about the petition and the rules governing nominating election ballots by contacting one of the many delegates and volunteers who are closely involved in the petition drive. Some suggested contacts are as follows:
hrc300delegates@yahoo.com
Also, the most important rules governing the 2008 Democratic Party presidential nominating election process appear in the Call To The 2008 Democratic National Convention, Articles VI and VIII. Those Articles appear below.
These are the Official Rules of the 2008 Call for the Democratic National Convention Regarding the Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President:
Nomination of the Democratic Candidate for President: The Permanent Chair shall receive nominations from the floor for the Democratic candidate for the Office of President of the United States in the following manner:
a. Requests to nominate a presidential candidate shall be in writing and shall have affixed thereto the written approval of the proposed nominee and the name of the individuals who shall be recognized to make the nominating and seconding speeches on behalf of a presidential candidate and shall be delivered to the
Convention Secretary at a location as specified by the Secretary no later than 6:00 p.m. of the day preceding the day designated for the commencement of presidential nominations.b. Each such request must be accompanied by a petition indicating support for the proposed nominee signed by delegates representing not less than 300 or more than 600 delegate votes, not more than 50 of which may come from one (1) delegation. A delegate may not sign more than one (1) nominating petition for president and for vice president.
c. The order for nominating presidential candidates shall be determined by the National Chairperson of the Democratic National Committee, the Permanent Chair of the Convention and each presidential candidate, or his or her authorized representative, who qualifies to be nominated pursuant to this section.
d. Each presidential candidate shall be allowed a total of twenty (20) minutes for the presentation of his or her name in nomination by nominating and seconding speeches, the time to run without interruption from the recognition of the nominator.
e. Delegates and alternates shall maintain order during and following nominations for the Office of President and demonstrations shall not be permitted.
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Hope she will, latest I heard she was withdrawing.
Thanks for showing us the Obama people are scared of losing.
Hillary for President ‘08.
Clinton has to be forced to do her job of representing the 18 million people who voted for her. Her backers have given her a total free pass on endorsing Obama in the face of so much documented fraud in the primaries. On top of that, she knows of his ties to Iraqi war profiteers, to oil company executives who financed his campaign in the beginning, and of course she’s well aware of his intention to represent the same criminals in Washington that he represented in Chicago.
The fact that there has been no sit-ins at her office, no press conferences demanding that she do her part to restore democracy to the Dem. Party, or announce an independent run is the biggest puzzle of this whole election. Does everyone think she would crumble if she were pressured by her own ranks? I think she’s been waiting for exactly that to happen, and it hasn’t, so she feels no justification to jump back in the race.
Without Clinton, the movement will spin its wheels with no productive outcome. McCain will likely be disqualified at the Republican National Convention, replaced with the Bush/Cheney successor ticket, and those boys will win against Obama regardless of PUMA, the Denver Group, I Own My Vote and all the rest.
I’ve written an article on this subject if anyone’s interested.
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Summer08/UndertheBus.html
If I lived on the east coast I would be getting arrested outside of DNC headquarters right now, demanding an investigation of the fraud and partisan campaigners like Dean and Brazile to be fired - or I would be getting arrested inside of one of Clinton’s offices, demanding her to live up to her responsibility. This is the only way that the wrong of Obama can be righted. I wish you folks that live out that way and have the means to act would get on the ball. Waiting for the convention to join dozens of other special interest groups protesting Tibet and everything else won’t cut it.
It is too early for Hillary to play her hold cards. She doesn’t have to do anything right now. He’s self destructing.
No, we are the ones she’s waiting for. And waiting… And waiting… And waiting…
an observer… You get busy with Your corrupted IDOL-OBAMA, and live Hillary alone-Hillary is to smart for someone like You, and Your ideas does not fit over 18 millions Hillary supporters. Obama is slipping down, He looks, like he dont know what He is doing, and He is the one who is running recist election, because He is the one who is racist and white and other color people hater!!!He was accusing Hillary for racism, and He is the One who is that ugly politician!!!. He runs His campain on”I AM AGAINST IRAQ WAR” AND THERE NEVER BEEN ANY PROOF OF HIS VOTING RECORD AGAINS, IRONICALLY HE SUPPORTED ANY BILL -BUSH BILL, AND ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAl SUPPORT TO THIS WAR-OCCUPATION!!!So, He is not against, but FOR!!!
Cover up by DNC and their ugly people about Obamas ugly pass, inc. lies about His Citizenship(corruption)and His accomplishments-were are none.NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS, DNC CONTROL OVER MEDIA, AND LIES AND LIES AND LIES.
MAYBE HILLARY IS RIGHT ABOUT STEPING DOWN, SHE WILL NOT TAKE BLAME FOR OBAMAS FAILED AND DIRECTLY STOLEN IDEAS FROM HILLAY, AND NOW HE IS CHANGING HIS PRIMARIES PROMISES. MOST OF THE!!!;HEALTH CARE,IRAQ,IRAN,HAMAS,DRILLING, AND MUCH MORE ARE TO COMING!!!
She is not, and She know what sghe is doing!!!
“If I lived on the east coast I would be getting arrested outside of DNC headquarters right now,”
Well, duh, guess you haven’t heard that The One moved the DNC headquarters to his home turf in Chicago.
Only part of it may have moved. Can’t imagine the whole operation can just up and go to Chicago with Clinton’s June 4th suspension. What about leases and contracts and moving and new phone/computer cabling, etc. etc. etc.? It’s only been 2 months.
Go away troll
The shocking unethical and fraudulent behavior of the Democratic party has been largely ignored. Caucus cheating, assignment of delegates to a candidate that did not win them, and threats to HRC supporters must be addressed, or we will lose the fundamental principles that govern this nation. It is up to HRC supporters to force these issues to the forefront. Democracy is being violated, but most citizens do not even know what happened. Write to your local politicians and tell them you will vote them out for supporting Obama, and copy every Democratic leader possible. Start a fund to take out a full page ad in a major newspaper listing the offensive DNC and Obama campaign actions. Write to Senator Clinton and let her know you want her to be president rather than suggest you vote for an unqualified candidate. Make her understand that 18 MILLION voters backed her, and most, if not all, would still vote for her. Hire a lawyer to see if federal laws were broken. The superdelegates must be convinced that the outcome of their Obama vote will be *personally* negative for them. Right now, they hope for the benefit of Obama’s money and votes. They have forgotten that citizens can withhold money and votes. They must be reminded relentlessly over the next 3 weeks.
No, Hillary herself said that her name needs to be on the ballot ir there is ever going to be party unity.
all we know, from Friday, that She quit and wont be Her name on ballot. It is a truth or DNC game play. Stay tune. We need to hear this directly from Hillary!!!
I won step down with my support to Hillary, even more I am supporting HER, She know what She is doing!!!
Youst sit down, chill out and wait. If She step down, to support Obama. To me , I will never trust CNN<MSNBC<DNC. I start to watch FOX, O,Ralley, and I compare their news, and I can tell You, that FAX gives US more real news then especjally CNN!!!CNN lies with Obama and DNC as far we can see!!! Chill out!!!
need to know: nah, that Daily News article was false.
I am definitely all for Hillary being on the ballot….
this quid pro quo unity part makes me a little nervous:
If, on the other hand, the August 26th election offers two genuine choices, and even if the favorite wins, though these delegates will not be pleased, they will, they say, be satisfied. They will have lost. They will accept it. They will fall in line and can be expected to cheer, maybe not so loudly as others, but cheer nonetheless, when Obama strides into history in Invesco Field the following day.
considering that the caususes etc were not run fairly, nor were a lot of other things (Florida & Michigan ) fair or equitable.
NOTHING could ever make me cheer, no matter how inaudibly for Obama
Sorry
Ditto. The process was manipulated all the way through, and on top of that, his lack of integrity, experience, and judgment makes him unqualified and dangerous. NO DEAL!
NO DEAL TODAY, NO DEAL TOMORROW AND NOT EVER BE A DEAL TO ELECT OBAMA. IT HAS TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS MY DECISION AND I HOPE MANY OTHERS OF 18 MILLIONS TOO.
No matter what her delegates decide, I will not vote for Barack Obama. Besides. I thought in the earlier video, she said she wanted the voices of her supporters heard and allowed a chance to vote. At least if she has a petition, they won’t be able to make a mockery of the rules and deny them a chance to vote.
Hillary never said, that She don not want Her name be taken OFF BALLOT it is Media . So, untill Hillary wont say it, no one should jump to support Obama, . She must say in person, and then we will support McCain ot no one!!!Dont even think about changing Your support from Hillary. Stay tune, cool off!!
NEED TO KNOW ABove. One of the Trolls.
Yes, this will bring whatever unity that can be brought together at the convention in Denver. Hillary’s name has to be put into Nomination.
18 MILLION VOTES FOR HILLARY demand a first ballot vote with Hillary’s name on it.
THANK YOU ALL YOU DELEGATES THAT SIGN THE NOMINATING PAPERS. I would hope Obama delegates do this also for Hillary. It it were reversed, and Obama’s name was NOT PUT IN NOMINATION, how would his voters and supporters feel? This it the democratic way.
Hear hear, Johnny B.
Your message is the right one!
THIS IS THE MOST ENCOURAGING THING I HAVE READ SINCE THE DAY THEY G A V E THE NOMINATION TO THE ANOINTED ONE.
I HAVE BEEN A DEMOCRAT FOR 40 YEARS AND I READ WHERE DONNA BRAZILLE WAS TELLING ALL THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS THAT THERE WAS A TRAIN LEAVING FOR US TO CATCH IT, THAT OUR VOTES WERE NOT NEEDED. SO I CAUGHT THE TRAIN AND I RODE IT DOWN TO THE FLORIDA ELECTION OFFICE AND I DID JUST WHAT SHE TOLD ME TO DO, I GOT MYSELF OUT OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY. I NEVER THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAPPEN TO ME IN MY LIFETIME.
SO NOW WHEN HE LOOSES IN NOVEMBER IT WON’T BOTHER ME ALL THAT MUCH, HE DESERVES IT.
IF THEY WOULD RUN HILLARY WE WOULD BE A WINNER. SO THAT’S MY PIECE.
Great!!! Now take your vote and shove it up your a**!
This should be Obama’s slogan. It would run really well in Florida and Michigan.
Obama 08: Shove your vote up your a$$.
Good for you. My husband and I have been democrats for fifty years, and will not vote for obama. Also in Florida.
IODANE…thanks, I did jump on this train and I am not DEMOCRAT anymore. I a a honest person, how can I support DNC, who betray me and You all true DEMOCRATS. They dont represent ME at all. How could I support Obama who is betrayng not just white and color people, but also black people(a big time)!!!!
I also left the Democratic party when that rag Donna said she did need any of us. I am a man for PUMA.
I will never ever vote for Obama or give the DNC another nickel.
PUMA should not be only woman movemant forHillary, but for all, we all on same side, so get united and have movement, THE REAL ONE” for “SOLUTIONS” not empty changes, folse promises, and lies!!!
I meant DIDN’t need any of us!
I am confused who gives a damn about UNITY after the convention. If barky is the nominee I will do everything I can to ensure he loses in November.
Hillary or anyone else but barky 08
What’s the deal here, if barky allows Hillary to be on the ballot for show, we fall in line behind the selectee barky. F that.
Thank you. I wrote the same below just as you were writing this. We are not buying this show of democracy. If it’s not the real deal, it’s NO DEAL!
This has nothing to do with Obama. It is out of his control now. That’s the point. It will be a democratic convention now, not a sham.
I agree. This is just a show then everyone’s expected to fall into line. Very, very disappointing what has come to pass. I don’t agree with this document at all. There has to be a a real allowing of Sen. Clinton to be the nominee, not a show. And because the DNC and others have indicated it won’t even be a s how — no unity.
This IS a real chance for name to be on the ballot, for real.
If the delegates who want Hillary on the ballot said what they really meant, like we’re free to do here on this blog, there would be zero chance of her name getting on the ballot. They have to play the game, it’s the only effective thing to do.
Remember what happened to the delegate for Hillary who said she wouldn’t vote for Barky- she was removed. This is a difficult game they are playing. I know Bill & Hillary have a plan- they’re both too smart to show what it is.
She said she was going to vote for McCain. As a party member, never mind a delegate - working against your own candidate means expulsion.
I am a long time HRC supporter, but I have to say, I too think she should be doing more to defy these clowns leading this party. What is she really doing now? Endorsing the airhead and trying to get us to do that too. Not me. I will never ever vote for OB because he is not a valid candidate and cannot lead my country. The fight should be fierce right now to get the nomination done correctly and to challenge the illegal, unethical ways that OB was handed the lead in delegates. Many of us want that fight, but HRC seems to have capitulated and for what reason we do not know. It is her time now and it may never come again. 4 years is a long time and much can happen. I feel the momentum leaving this cause and it is mainly because the person that the cause was all about seems to have another agenda. She should be as outraged as we are about the shameful way this primary was manipulated away from her. The fierce Clinton reputation is not being shown right now. My faint hope is that it all is a facade and that something big will happen before Denver to show me a different outcome. One that saves this country. I do have to admit, I am discouraged at the moment. Come on Hillary, show us your greatness and love for your country, Don’t make it all about party especially a party that stabbed you in the back.
The link to your name is a dead end.
Huh?
Chris I Couldn’t Have Said It Better,I’m Discouraged That She’s Letting These Clowns Play Her Like A Bad Game Of Poker,Theirs No Cover For The Way Their Going After Her,It’s Obvious That Their Intentions Is Not About Unity And Never Will Be Because Theirs Noway In Hell That I Would Vote Or Support Illinois Obama,Can’t Bring Myself To Refer To That Moron For The Title He Holds.I Am An African American Male And This Rebellion That Has Risen Were Done And Is Being Done In Her Honor,About The Way She Were Treated By All Involved,And I Don’t Have To Go Into Specifics,You All Know Who You Are.They Stabbed Her And Bill In The Back,And I Were Hoping That She Ran As An Independant,But I See That It’s Little Possibility Of That,Hopefully She’ll Come Around Soon And I Mean Very Soon.
No, if her name is on the ballot, there’s a chance she could still be the nominee. If not, nothing lost. We still vote McCain.
Forget that part. Just try to email some delegates. If she doesn’t have the petition, her name won’t be there and that’s like capitulation.
I’m glad to see that I’m not the only one confused.
So are they doing this petition to put HRC’s name on the ballot wink wink even though they are still moving forward with having the Obama coronation over at that huge stadium?
If they want me to believe that this is truly going to be an open convention, where the outcome is unknown until the votes are cast, then they need to also pull back on all of the BS that they’ve been planning to placate The One’s enormous ego.
And I agree, if HRC isn’t the nominee, then my vote still goes to McCain.
Choices are:
1. HRC
2. McCain
Backtrack Obozo does not qualify.
PUMA.
..though they are still moving forward with having the Obama coronation over at that huge stadium?
Have Obama cancel the coronation at the stadium and it will show us that Hillary is a serious contender.
Which is exactly why they can’t cancel it. They have to pretend it’s for show, they have to act as if she’s not a real contender, when they know, just like we know, that she could win the nomination.
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I hope someone is making a BIG PROTEST to business bureaus, mass media,and they get the story about specific book store not making “Obama Nation” available or providing information. Boycott, anyone?
It is unconstitutional and hurts the writer, publisher, everyone else ccnnected with any of these books. Obama and DNC are behaving so UnAmerican with this Dictatorial behavior.
We must stop BO ASAP. We are PUMA’s and not afaid to expose this hypocrite and to get the truth out before the Dever convention.
This is America! B O and the DND are acting like we live in a third world country.
NO OBAMA 2008!
LOL! Really???
The MSM, already coronate him. I won’t give a penny to the DNC. I donated to Hillary’s campaign, even I have 624 Dollar disability/MO. To be honest, I would be disappointed, if Hillary will abandon her ship. If she won’t ask her name to be put on the ballot, I would never vote for her again.Sorry, this is the way I feel.I always was ready to fight for whatIi believed is fair and go to the end no matter what,if you won’t abandon the principles we are fighting for.Otherwise, I will fight by myself for what I belive, and that is loyality.
I feel that way, too. I feel that Hillary must have something up her sleeve, at least to stop Obama from winning the election. Maybe not publicly, but on the sly, through someone else wink, wink. If not, I am not sure I’ll vote for her in the future knowing that she was willing to put her career above the safety of America. Sorry, but I do wonder why she or Bill are not exposing something somehow to stop this train wreck! Is being with the (loser) democratic party that important? Run Independent. Tell the DNC to F off. That is what they did to you!
Maybe Hillary has plans to speak there.
Could be the koolaid that is confusing you.
Scott, you a dead on right. if her name is on the ballot, great, but if the convention is fixed, what the hell good is it. We are still stuck with the fraud!
magnificent-scatt in jupiter!!!
Hillary or McCain.
no other choice.
the annointed one, exit…stage left.
Obama is so unattractive to many DEMS, they will Never support him, I would rather support Satan
i’m witcha hank
You sound like Satan, so full of hate…
Actually, given that Satan is the “Father of the Lie”, you are much more likely to be his blood relation.
Stop the hate!
hate and lies are coming from Obamas supporters, and I believe that Obamas supporters start to understanding that”his promiase from primaries turn be a froud, so now just stay tune, because #3Obama is coming. He has a mny faces D.Brazille in His stuff, or someone like AndersonCooper360, who personally is helping Obama, I hope, CNN will kick AC360 from His station, He is a corrupted and dirty jurnalist!!! just like DNC-Dean,Pelosi,Reid,Richardson,Dodd,Reich and others!!!
Good One!
Whether the Democratic Party emerges from its Convention unified, or broken beyond repair, depends, more than anything else, on whether the name “Hillary Clinton” appears on the presidential nominating election ballot.
I am not sure I understand this effort. I am completely in favor of having Hillary’s name put into nomination, but if it is “just” for the sake of appearances, then it is just another rigged part of the process. The deals have already been made, delegates have already been bought, and back-room agreements have been brokered. Do we really think the SD’s will make any kind of radical change in their preferences? And if they don’t, which I fully expect, does that mean that everyone is going to go: “Well hey, they agreed to put Hillary’s name in for nomination and we lost fair and square, so NOW I’ll support Obama?” The Party has already shown it’s cowardice and dishonesty–why would we expect an honest floor fight based on real voting? I don’t trust them at all, and just because her name is put into nomination–and if he SURPRISE SURPRISE wins, I will still not vote for him. He is a hypocrite and the Party corrupted the entire process. You cannot undo the damage just by staging a phony Convention.
This will not be for the sake of appearances. The delegates will be free to vote as they choose. The winner will win and the delegates will support that person. Without her name on the ballot, the delegates will not.
You mean the SD’s that Obozo bought (see the thread re Are Superdelegates for Sale?) are now going to freely wink wink cast their vote freely?
Yes, those delegates.
And How About That!?, jus messin!
CaChing, semper fi
Also the delegates selected in State Conventions.
I agree with you 100%, fif. Allowing Hillary’s name to be placed into nomination is a must. It’s the only democratic thing to do. But it does sound like it’s for appearance sake only, to soothe the angry, bitter Hillary supporters who feel oh-so-wronged.
It’s not just about Hillary anymore, though. It WILL NOT, and CAN NOT, erase the despicable behavior exhibited over the past year of the DNC, the media, and Obama and his campaign. It’s way too late for unity, it’s way too late to create an illusion of legitimacy for Obama, it’s way too late for this PUMA to even consider voting for Obama.
As far as I’m concerned, there are only two ways in which I’ll be voting for POTUS in November: first for Hillary, and if she’s not on the ticket, then my vote goes to McCain. Anyone who thinks that just “allowing” Hillary’s name to be place into nomination is going to make everything “all better” needs to think again.
Hillary or McCain
NObama, Never
PUMA Power!
Don’t you understand that they have to make it sound like it’s for appearance sake only, or her name will NEVER get on the ballot and she’ll have no chance of being the nominee?
Any one can check directly with Hillary about last rumor about; Hillary taking Her name of the ballot. It must be confirm by Hillary or Bill ONLY!!!, so We can decide when to start supporting McCain or not support anyone!!!!
PUMA… You are absolutely RIGHT!!!! it is not about Hillary, but it is about a new DEMOCRATIC PARTY< DNC is Finish, Hillary need to start build a new DP!!!
abosulitely, no support for corrupted DNC, but I will support if Hillary wins. AShe will be President, and Obama will go back to Chicago and pray with Wright and Black Power!!!
“Well hey, they agreed to put Hillary’s name in for nomination and we lost fair and square, so NOW I’ll support Obama?”
That’s exactly what they want us to do.
It’s insulting to us Hillary supporters.
NObama in NOvember.
People, you’re missing the point. This isn’t about how YOU vote. You can vote for whoever you want. This is about the delegates. THEY ARE STANDING UP TOGETHER TO ENSURE HER NAME IS PUT IN NOMINATION FOR A VOTE. Hillary agreed to have her name in nomination so the nomination process will be fair and no one will feel like it was undemocratic. This opens it up for the Supers to vote their conscience. GET IT?
Yes, as long as the delegates don’t expect us to fall in line and guilt us into doing it.
Of course they don’t. Again, they are talking about themselves, not the voters.
Thank you! That’s it exactly.
This opens it up for the Supers to vote their conscience. GET IT?
When a document such as this comes out we are smart to really understand what it is stating. Do you sign on the dotted line without really questioning and understanding a document. I am sure there will be much discussion about this the next couple of days. And we should be discussing it. GET IT?
I’m sorry, but we’ve been working towards having a fair convention and you said it was insulting to Hillary supporters. That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
Only if it’s for show. We just want to ensure that they seriously are considering her for nominee.
But like someone said below, why is her name not automatically on the ballot. Why are we having to ask like this?
Because the DNC and Obama didn’t want her on it and had the power to block her name from being on it. Thus the only way to get it on there is by a petition signed by the delegates themselves.
Hillary for pres, what part don’t you understand? If there is any reason to believe any delegates can change their minds between now and the vote, wouldn’t it be a good idea to have her name on the ballot? I, for one, am going to start contacting delegates.
elise, I will state it again:
When a document such as this comes out, we are smart to really understand what it is stating. Do you sign on the dotted line without really questioning and understanding a document.
I want Hillary’s name on the ballot.She has to ask for that. If she won’t win, WE, the 18 million people who voted for her, have to see har name on the ballot. That doesn’t mean, we will vote for Obama. NO WAY. Hillary or McCain. No other deal.
Are you a delegate? If you aren’t, no one is asking you to sign this document.
Pollpatrol:
Sorry, I don’t get it.. Wouldn’t SD vote their conscience or their pocket&interest anyhow?
They might decide it is in their best interest to vote for a winner and it isn’t SDs only. Any delegate, right? Even the earned ones elected at state conventions.
Bill Clinton your silence speaks volumes and we hear you loud and clear.
See you in September!
They are playing politics, they have no choice, it’s the only way to get her name on the ballot. They’re not asking you to change your vote, and even if they do, you own your vote. They are using effective political speak to get her on the ballot, which is what we all want. We need to support this effort.
absolutely-no Obama in November!!!
I AM NOT AN obama SUPPORTER!!!
I am only an occasional vistor to this blog. This post makes me ask one question. What has happen to the die hard NOBAMA group? NO matter what! I ask you to think hard about any unity with this man, that in my opinion will bring this country to it’s knees. Think hard about selling out just to get your candidate on the ballot at the convention. From the outside looking in he owns the dem party now. And it will be nothing but a bone to get your support. Then what they said in the beginning will be true. Remember they said don’t worry her supporters will vote for obama so don’t worry they will come around.
Where else can they go.
They aren’t asking voters to unify behind Obama. They’re promising delegate support. That’s their bargaining chip.
Exactly. Thank you! Everyone’s reaction is so personal. This is ONLY about the delegates.
Thank you, too, I saw your posts above.
Could be trolls playing misinformtion games with us… Obviously to every Hillary supporter this is great news!
What misinformation are you talking about?
The suggestion by nolewis that this is a ’sellout’ to get Hillary’s name on the ballot may simply be an attempt to discourage support of the petition.
The suggestion that this document asks voters to support Obama is false. It is only about delegates promising support to Obama as a means of getting Hillary on the ballot. This is an effective strategy. I mean, hello, we all want her name on the ballot!!
I am not a troll and I’m not playing games.
As I said above, if you want me to believe that this is truly an open convention, then they need to cancel the plans for the coronation at the stadium along with all of the other Obozo-related fluffing BS.
There shouldn’t have to be a petition drive to have HRC’s name on the ballot. She had 18 million votes (including mine). Put her name on the ballot. Period. Without having to beg for it. That’s the right thing to do.
Oh, and the other right thing to do would be for Obarky to withdraw from the race. Oops - does it make me a racist to use the word race? He’s done - toast - get outta here - don’t let the door hit you in the a$$.
Well obviously there shouldn’t have to be an effort to put her name on the ballot, as she and her voters are entitled to this.
So, since there shouldn’t have to be an effort, should the delegates sit back on their asses and make no effort at all to have her on the ballot?
If that’s what you want, then you ARE a troll. You’re one of those trolls trying to masquerade as a Hillary supporters. I have news for you, it isn’t working.
And DUH the delegates lack the power to influence the planned coronation at the stadium.
Also, Obama is a legitimate candidate for the nomination and should not be forced to drop out.
What country are you in, Pakistan?
No, I’m wondering that about you.
Seriously not a troll here.
I’ve been Indy all my voting life until last March, when I held my nose & switched to Dem, so I could vote for HRC in the PA primary.
The Saturday night prior to the PA primary, I attended a GOTV rally in McKeesport, PA that was hosted by John Murtha and Ed Rendell. I stood in the pouring rain for over an hour with my 2 teen-age daughters so we could see and hear HRC in person. HRC was wearing the same overcoat that you see in the photo on the header at TD’s website. Maybe that photo was taken at the GOTV rally the night that we saw her.
People seem to have a lot of questions about this petition drive. I don’t think that you should be so quick to squash discussion and dissent and fling unfouded accusations.
’snore’
I think some “true colors” are coming through. Better make a note of that.
Uh, you can’t just wish someone on the ballot. Obama and Dean didn’t want her on it. There had to be a petition.
Yes, we’d all love for them to cancel the stadium (that’s an extra 5 million and the DNC is broke) but they probably won’t. In any case, it doesn’t matter where the roll call is as long as it’s open and democratic.
I do understaand that but it is still just throwing her supporters a bone to try and stop any disent at the convention. Then they will make the claim , see evryone is behind obama. And alot of people will think back to all the insults, about how PUMA, NO DEAL and everyone that signs it, have no staying power, they are just showing their anger, they will come around, we don’t need them any way and so forth and so on.
You guys should remember them all.
Just say NO DEAL, sounds real good to me. But again I am only a vistor here.
I remember everything and I will never vote Obama. I will vote McCain to stop Obama.
I can see you are a visitor, probably a troll trying to drum up opposition to Hillary being on the ballot. So I say to you No Deal. Her name will be on the ballot, and us regulars at No Quarter will support the effort.
I do promise you I am not an obamaboy troll.
I got intrigued with the movements because of the crap in fla and mi. I just hate to see ture “country first mentallity” fall to an appeasment to just to get a little recognition at a party convention. I in no way want to see obama as president. I want the entire voting public to vote against him.
Right, you’re not a troll, and I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. You’re a troll masquerading as a Hillary supporter. It isn’t appeasement to be up for nomination to be a candidate for President for President! Go back to whatever hole you just crawled out of.
There are so many trolls on this thread, it’s obvious Obama knows he isn’t going to be the nominee and is scared shitless.
NO I agree with you that her name should be on the ballot but it should not require a petition. Her name should be there because enough people voted for her. But if it is not then I just believe her supporters should not stand down at all.
I am not sure what else I can to to asure you that I am not for obama. I honestly think I would be sick if I had to vote for a candidate like him.
Oh, ok, then I’ll just click my heels together and make a wish for her to be on the ballot.
Go away troll. Tell Obama the new “faux Hillary supporter” talking points are not working.
Beware the “alligator tears”.
IF you are sincere just how would you like Hillary to get her name on the ballot (so her delegates can vote for real for her,not show) IF Obama and Howard don’t want it? The ONLY way she can get on the ballot as far as I know, with out having to hope Obama and Dean “let her” is to have a petition of 300-600 convention delegates. Of course Obam is terrified to let it be an open convention, since he is tanking and knows there could be a chance Hillary won, even slight,it is in the ROOLZ, with the petition Obama and company can not block her.
Either way her Hillary’s name has to be on the ballot. But how it gets there is the discussion here.
Hey- there is NO appeasement going on here- just an effort to circumvent the DNC & Obama’s control of the convention. The petition is the ONLY way to get Hillary’s name on the ballot. As it is a secret ballot for the SDs, one can reasonably expect them to vote their consciences. We have NO control over the DNC’s plans for the convention, etc. If they want to waste their damn money on Barky’s stupid pseudo-rock star extravaganza, they will do so. They do not listen to reason, nor do they give a crap about what the voters think. The fact remains that if Hillary is not the nominee- I will vote for McCain- like the great majority of those who post here.
I’m thinking “alligator” troll. Anyone else? I think this gator understands, otherwise it is one dumb swamp lizard.
That should be “alligator tears”.
it is not the people from PUMA, No deal that sign the petitions, (unless of course they are already delegates). THIS petition is for delegates that were chosen at their state level to vote for Hillary in Denver.
IF Hillary isn’t on the ballot tthey can NOT vote for her.
I ask you to go nighty-night.
Forgive me, I’m dyslexic. And my Granny taught me that marrow is delish. I’ve got a hundred or so bibles and now I’m getting me a snub nose. And my little lady dog will eat your face off.
This post makes me ask one question, too.
why are you here?
whatever.
to vote McCain, or not to vote at all!
Barack Obama grooves to Drop it like its hot song and explains how his daughter grooves to this hate filled song as well
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6Ps-lFknk
Something about her mama dropping stinky sox or something?
Verses were posted last night.
His daughter was 3 years old, he says.
That is so funny because I brought my girls up on Phoebe Snow, Joni, Janis Ian, Heart, Frampton, and of course, Lennon, et al.
They loved Bruce and Fleetwood Mac. Stevie Nicks rocked our home.
Roberta Flack
They are trying to give Hillary a chance to win the nomination! But they have to shroud it in all this “party speak” so they don’t get slammed. We need to support this effort!
I hope you are right.
It is a real chance for her name to be up for nomination. How that will play out, after all the corruption we’ve already seen, remains to be seen.
But at least if her name is on the ballot, there’s a chance the delegates will do the right thing. It may be a snowball’s chance in hell, but it’s a chance.
I am so on to that.
I can’t believe this is even something that needs to be forced into happening. It shouldn’t even be optional.
Howard Dean has to make sure this happens or risk many people calling his nominee a sham.
However, agreeing to having Hillary’s name in nomination does not mean I agree to vote for the nominee.
This is what is owed the voters of this country based on the primary, and does not bind my conscience one iota to any future vote.
Obama was trying to block it.
No one’s asking you to agree to support Obama. They’re promising delegates will support Obama, period.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, fif.
The DNC has made their bias, preference, and lack of democratic values known. There is no going back. If they coronate their chosen one, they can have him.
I will not be voting for the unDemocratic Party.
Even if HRC is the nominee? That will determine whether you are a troll or not.
The trolls are out in full force on this thread, masquerading as Hillary supporters. Obviously Obama is scared. McCain is taking him down.
Just a point of clarification, while I’m glad that the petition is going around and we are being vocal about want a real convention where we get to really vote, the truth is that as a primary presidential candidate Sen. Clinton does not need to do these steps to have her name put forward in nomination. These are rules for nominating from the floor, which is usually a tactic used by surprise candidates like if Gore showed up and decided he wanted to be a candidate after all. All primary candidates have a right to have their name put forward in nomination without delegates signing petitions…that is they used to have that right, until the obama nation took control of the DNC and decided the party is only big enough for him.
Don’t misunderstand me..HRC supporters absolutely need to be prepared to nominate her from the floor because the chances are good that BHO will flip flop and renege on any guarantees that her name will be put forward. I mean seriously, he hasn’t held true to any Democratic principle he’s vowed to uphold, why should he honor the wishes of Democratic voters?
I also think we should stop saying BHO will be the nominee…if Democrats care about winning in November, and getting universal health care, and building the middle class, and getting equal pay and keeping affirmative action and fulfilling any of the planks of the party’s hopes we need to nominate HRC. BHO is running on a Republican agenda and frankly I hope the Democratic Party tent doesn’t get so big that misogynistic and homophobic conservative evangelicals are taking up all the seats. A big tent is a good thing if you have inalienable rights and principles holding it up. BHO is using the labor of women, Jews, Asians, latte liberals, Latinos, African Americans and homosexuals to hold the tent up for all the neo-cons who want to take a seat.
It’s not the Democratic Party I used to know.
“the truth is that as a primary presidential candidate Sen. Clinton does not need to do these steps to have her name put forward in nomination. These are rules for nominating from the floor, which is usually a tactic used by surprise candidates like if Gore showed up and decided he wanted to be a candidate after all. All primary candidates have a right to have their name put forward in nomination without delegates signing petitions…”
Thank you. My point exactly.
Oh right and the DNC is going to respect the rules. Give me a break. They have to be forced to do the right thing. Go away troll.
I don’t know if you are talking to me, but I said that we should sign petitions and nominate from the floor because the DNC isn’t to be trusted. I just wanted to make sure everyone understands that it is the maniacal, facist overthrow of the Dem Party by the obamanation that makes this necessary. I’m wearing my PUMA shirt and I can assure you I am no troll.
No I’m talking to Jes messing with you man.
It’s the fascism Obama that makes this delegate petition necessary. Nominate from the floor? Too risky. The decision for Hillary to be on the ballot must be made before the convention.
Actually, the petition is a floor nomination petition. I mean that’s what the format of the 300-600 delegates rule is, for non-primary contenders to be nominated at the convention. So yes we need to make sure that we are able to nominate HRC regardless of what BHO and Pelosi and Dean “decide.” This petition gives us that ability regardless of them (unless of course they decide against the convention completely and barricade the doors against HRC supporters and delegates.)
If they are smart they’ll plan on putting HRC on the nominating ballot without requiring a presentation of petition…but, so far they haven’t shown any smarts at all.
ann, I think BBO was talking to me, as she/he has been attacking and accusing me in my posts above.
I lurk here more than I post, but when I do post, it should be clear to everyone that I’m an HRC supporter.
Of course I want HRC to be the nominee. I don’t understand the need for the petition drive. And I think people should be able to ask questions without being accused of being a troll.
As always, my choices are:
1. HRC
2. McCain
Obozo does not qualify.
BHO= GWB’s 3rd term
I don’t know how I could make this be any more clear.
I totally agree with you and thanks for the honesty and facts. While that petition sounds legit, there is something that makes me uneasy about where it really is coming from. I am so distrustful about anything related to party procedures that I’m bordering on paranoid. I think a floor nomination is the best way to be sure, or at least as a back up plan ready to go. And your right, this should be automatic with the amount of delegates that she won she should be on the ballot from the get go.Unfortunately we need to force the issue and get it done. He is NOT the confirmed candidate yet.It is very sad to see so many here calling others trolls, but it’s true we don’t know who is who anymore. The trust is breaking down and this is just what the dark side wants to happen. Create chaos and doubt and they will fall in line. Not me. No Obama ever.
Chris — the petition is a “Petition to nominate from the floor.” The reason we have to have a petition to nominate from the floor is because we don’t trust the DNC to follow standard procedures and put all the primary candidates forward for nomination.
One way or another we’ll get an open and honest convention with HRC put forth for nomination.
Chris, you say “While that petition sounds legit, there is something that makes me uneasy about where it really is coming from.” Let me assure you, and any others on this board who might share your unease, that both the petition, and the document reprinted above in support of the petition, come from a group of loyal Clinton delegates and volunteers who have been working long and hard to ensure that Hillary Clinton’s name appears on the presidential nominating election ballot.
By all means, Chris, question the wisdom of the tactics we have chosen to employ. Reasonable people can differ over that. But do not doubt our motivation. Our sole intent is to do everything within our power to ensure that, when the delegates troop to their state delegation computers on August 27th, all of them, whether pledged or unpledged, have the opportunity to cast their votes for Hillary Clinton.
I would ask you to assist us in reaching that goal. Contact your Clinton-pledged delegates. Ask them whether they have signed the petition. If not, demand that they do so. Tell them that you voted for them, and that they, now, must act for you.
Respectfully, and in solidarity,
Daniel Kagan
National Delegate
Colorado, 1st. Congressional District
Yeah- that following the rules shit worked out real well on May 31st, too. Why don’t some of y’all get it that Dean & Nobama don’t give a shit about rules- they only want to win. Period. Hillary, on the other hand, is a good party member and CARES about the rules and party’s future. That’s the trouble when people w/no conscience fight those with. We are just trying to make this fight really plain, clear, obvious and PUBLIC so the shit-heads have to go along with it to avoid looking COMPLETELY totalitarian (even though they really are). God, the trolls are thick here today.
NEWS ALERT: It is now reported by the NY Daily News and the NY Post that Nancy Pelosi has severed her ties with George Soros over a dispute over a designated parking spot at the convention,
She has volunteered to place Hillary Clinton’s name in nomination for POTUS at the convention this month.
She cited Hillary’s skills as the most important female member of the Congress and a leader who can actually accomplish something. Donna Brazille will second the nomination.
Millions cheered at this news. The Obama campaign had no comment and Howard Dean is traveling somewhere on a bus.trying to get votes for Obama.
Blaah blaah blaah.
HA! Good one!
GOD BLESS! I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT. CAN WE TRUST THE INFORMATION?
I will check, I hope it is real!!!
But, I also believe, that Pelosi can not stand Hillary, and She will not support Her, because Hillary will be Her BOSS, and a WOMAN!!!
That was so funny, My coffee all over the place. I wish that was true. lol
Just think how foolish all the media and all these horrible politicians are going to look in the history book years from now. I hope all their names are listed state by state how crooked and stupid they were. It’s like their all in a damn induced trance walking around saying “Obama!” For no good reason.
Sorry, but unless Hillary is the nominee….I will vote McCain….and the DNC can shove their interpretation of UNITY.
Why are you sorry? Millions will vote McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.
The petition is not about you or your vote. It’s about delegates getting Hillary on the ballot.
Step 1: Get Hillary on the Ballot.
Step 2: Let Obama Keep gaffing, flip flopping, race-baiting, presumpting, and aping it up for the so in love with barack media psychophants.
Step 3: Pry to God the Spineless Superdelegates get a fucking clue.
Step 4: Watch Hillary win the first Ballot.
This is why they won’t let her get on the ballot.
No Way.
No How.
Not unless they can guarantee no Superdelegate will change their vote.
The Fix is In.
What, in heavens name, would ever make you think that the DNC would think that you are all about unifying the party? Everything you post here is counterproductive to anything that would promote unity. The constant bitterness and hate spewed here sickens many I’m sure.
More power to you if you can get them to listen but I doubt it.
Should this get posted(which would surprise me)I hope that it will cause a few people to step back and breath a lil before committing to anything.
Are you talking to people on this website in general or someone specific?
Point well taken. Your comment will be taken into consideration. Thank you for visiting the Essential No Obama Now or Evem Webscream. Please feel free to get the fuck off my lawn!
Obama is my guru. Not.
Never said I was a hillary supporter and I am also not an obamabat. But I do admire the groups that have come together here to support her. I am simply dismayed that you fill that a simple petition will stop obama. I believe that her suppoters should not stand down and should protest at the convention. Demand on national TV that a candidate that got over 18 million votes be place on the ballot. This behind the door stuff can be swep under thre rug to easy. The rock star and his party will have to make a public decision at that point.
Again this is just my point of view.
I hope I have not caused you to much grief, I just wanted to have a conversation about this subject. But for now I will say good night. I will check back though in the morning to read other post. I know it may be hard to believe but this time you have me pegged wrong. Just wanted to discuss the matter.
Well, I AM a Hillary supporter and I too, was pegged wrong. Bye Bye Obambi has been particularly harsh tonight.
I’m sorry about that. I was tired and pissed and should have just signed off and gone to bed.
Great show on NQ tonight.
Thanks to everyone, and a major salute to Military Mom. Very uplfting and informative.
Since I could not sign on to chat? I dunno. I have to take this opportunity:
Now, here’s beautiful thing. HoBO could never in a million years assimilate himself as an imposter from our part of the woods. No way. No how.
Love my so called Philly twang. Plus, I have a feeling his Most Almighty Wonderous One thinks PA is the 53rd state.
We also need to have anyone who knows a Hillary deligate and how to contact them to give the information to a central data base.
Rich
Yes it is appeasement to throw your support for her to be on the ballot.
SHE IS NOT GOING TO GET IT.
Again i support her and will in 2012. The best these delegates could do ismake that convention a living hell for Obama and the dnc.
WHO CARES IF SHE IS ON THE BALLOT.
And calling poeple trolls because they do not agree with this petition is rather obamesque.
No need to call fellow supporters names. THe idea she is going to ride out of the convention with the nomination has no logic to it.
2012 is our time.
Delegates for Clinton should not have to promise support. SHE SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT LIKE EVERY CANDIDATE HAS IN THE HISTORY OF DEMOCRATIC CONVENTIONS.
Delegates for clinton should make that convention choas so he drops afterwards and gets no bump.
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Hillary and OBullshit were virtually tied the last time I looked. Right up until the dNC committed fraud via the airwaves. In living color. Right before millions of witnesses.
On to Denver. ho hum, Howard Dean.
Heidi Li laid it out tonight. Go straight to Howie and remind him of his duties. We still have time.
Unless Clinton is the nominee there can be no party unity.
Period.
end of discussion.
You folks ought to realize that selecting party candidates has involved backroom deal making, political pressuring, and power brokering for as long as there have been political parties and politics. The Obama campaign does it. So did the Clinton campaign. That’s simply how it’s done.
If you want to blame somebody for the whole screwed-up 2008 primary mess, blame the legislators and governors of Michigan and Florida, who knowingly and deliberately broke the national rules of both parties by scheduling their primaries earlier than allowed by their respective party rules committees, despite the fact that they had been told in no uncertain terms and in advance of doing it that they would forfeit their convention delegates as a result. They went right on ahead, because they wanted to create advantages for themselves in their own state elections.
Don’t blame Clinton or Obama. They only attempted to maximize their delegate counts in the confused aftermath. Don’t blame the rules committee. They were left with a limited range of options, and any way they dealt with the situation someone was going to have a legitimate reason for complaint. If you want to blame somebody, blame Michigan and Florida. Suggesting systemic corruption running through the entire DNC because your own candidate happens to have come out in second place is letting the people really to blame completely off the hook.
Well and good if you can get Hillary on the convention ballot. Well and good if you make a floor nomination, and if she addresses the convention before a vote. What Florida and Michigan did created irregularities. An open vote with all delegates free to vote their consciences would restore an element of legitimacy to a process many are understandably unhappy with.
If you’re not going to accept those results, however–whoever the winner might be–you don’t belong as a part of the process. If you can’t pledge unity of purpose then, you don’t belong in the party. Good bye and good riddance.
I’ll still go for an Obama/Clinton ticket as the best of all possible outcomes. You can put whichever name first you like. I’ve always felt that way.
If you’re not going to accept those results, however–whoever the winner might be–you don’t belong as a part of the process. If you can’t pledge unity of purpose then, you don’t belong in the party. Good bye and good riddance.
And here it is exactly what I was concerned about.
The DNC needs to know that we are not sitting on our B***, we are out on the streets telling everyone that will listen. 18 Million, on August 26 rallies across the US to let our voices be heard.
Today we passed out about 300 fliers (last two weeks another 500 + posting in shops) in the hot sun. Our group had about 7 people passing them out. We had one disabled lady who walked the walk and was the most effective in the group.
So, the DNC has mobilized us and we haven’t gotten over it yet, and if they keep her off the ballot, we will gain more support. Many people are happy to learn that there are groups who are working to get Hillary her respect and the respect of the 18 million voters (Hillary earned the RIGHT TO BE ON THE BALLOT!) and they are watching. Those of us hitting the streets are mad as ever, but we are meeting folks just as mad who haven’t linked up to groups yet!
Next time we go out we will print contact groups and blogs to assist them and to get them involved on a more grass roots level.
So, Hillary Hang on Help is on the way, we haven’t given up and you keep your head up and continue to do your work as a senator. People know who does the work and who shows up for photo opts.
Keep Holding On Hillary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDI-UgUPacM&feature=PlayList&p=B0EA7F0C3F28742C&index=5
Hang on!
Clinton Supporters Voices Will Be Heard In Denver!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYZOrfDq7UY&feature=PlayList&p=B0EA7F0C3F28742C&index=6
Hang on Hillary…
Clinton: “No decisions have been made”
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?last_story=/politics/war_room/2008/08/02/clinton_nomination/
Found this while looking at the video posted a day ago.
Reading the posts on this thread was actually rather scary. Everyone needs to understand a few really important things:
1) Right now Team Obama is calling the shots at the DNC. Elected Clinton delegates have been replaced for speaking their minds. These people cannot come out and say “It’s either Clinton or McCain”, or they will also be replaced.
2) Hillary cannot win it if she is not placed in nomination. If you want to take it on faith that Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile, et al will do the right thing or follow the rules, go right ahead. I am unwilling to take that chance and support this petition whole heartedly. Even if she is placed in nomination properly, that does not mean I will vote for Obama in November or that anyone expects you to do so.
3) Calling each other trolls is exactly what Team Obama wants us to do. Start some internal argument and create discord so they lose focus (Operation Chaos, anyone?) on their real goal. If trolls are allowed to post on No Quarter, so should others who don’t understand the intricacies of the political process or don’t agree with you. Freedom of speech rules here.
4) Your local elected official that is/was a Clinton supporter has been threatened by Team Obama. They have been told that they will not get backing for their next election, and that a Democratic opponent will be running against them that has full party backing. Count on the fact that this has happened. If you think they can get elected with your $25 donation, when their opponent is being funded by the likes of George Soros, you’re politically naive. Call them, and tell them they’ll still have you vote if they support Clinton. Contact your state delegates (elected/pledged and automatic/super) and tell them you support them voting for Clinton. Tell them you’ll vote them out of office if they don’t. Tell them you’ll make it your mission in life to see they never hold political office again if they support Obama. That’s what the other side has done. Guaranteed.
5) Stick together and stay strong! Speak truth and you will get truth. PUMA!
Good post- I think you nailed all the points!
Thanks. It’s important that we stay focused. November is a long way off.
I want Hillary’s name in nomination at the convention, but I will never support Obama. He is unqualified, and would be a disaster for this country. McCain would be a better President. The only way I will vote Democrat this year is if Hillary has the nomination.
IHope Hillary does not let us all down on this on. We have no need of a King running our country. Especially one who can not make up his mind as to where he stands on policy. This seems to be the only way he knows how to win an election. Remove all you opponents from the ballot and give the public the unlimited choice. NO CHOICE!! McCain will win in November if BO is the only choice.
He disgusts me. He plays the race card and accuses everyone else of using race against him. Why is it that this is ok for him to do? Why cant all the other ethnic groups of this country speak their minds freely with ought being accused of racism. And on the matter of reparations, what about all the Native Americans that were murdered by the US>I don’t hear them standing up there whining to BO about how badly they were treated. We need someone in office who will put a stop to all this favoritism and do what is good for the WHOLE COUNTRY. Not just a select few.
If BO gets elected get ready to give up a piece of your pie folks!! And all your constitutional rights!
I love you Senator Clinton but it that kind of Greek love which in the Christian Bible means Love They Neighbor. When it comes to the Cathartic experiences, I had mine already. No Obama, your entrage cannot take over the Oval Office.
Problem I see with this approach is: If Hillary’s name is on the ballot but Obama wins, I’m still not going to vote for him.
Alegra has a post today regarding the SD’s not wanting to sign the petition.
http://alegrescorner.soapblox.net/showDiary.do?diaryId=450
I still say, Clinton will be the nominee,and will be the next President. Hillary had a chance to fight this to the next committee members,and she didn’t.. She would have probable won her case. Since when does someone get 4 extra delegates that belonged to Hillary,and was given to Obama. Just that alone would be reason for a fight.Especially when Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballad..I think the Dems are playing along with the Republicans,and there will be a few surprises come the convention. Obama was a plant,imo,…Even Bill Clinton didn’t want to discuss the Primary with ABC.He said he’d see how things go in January…..Silence is Golden.
New over Fox Ticker, saying Obama asking for Florida and Michigan delegates to be counted as a full delegate…And said Clinton has won Both Michigan and Florida.
Sounds like things are starting to come together for Clinton as the Nominee.
+100. Respect.