Why Is Maya Soetoro’s Name on Barack’s Phony Certificate of Live Birth?
By Larry Johnson on August 5, 2008 at 2:55 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs
We can now identify the woman’s name that appears on the phony Barack Obama Certificate of Live Birth (aka COLB). It is Barack’s sister, Maya Kassandra Soetoro. Credit for the discovery goes to TechDude. And the woman who has pursued this story relentlessly, Texas Darlin, has done it and has the story. She’ll post the full story here later today.
Here’s the simple summary–an authentic COLB was used as a template to create the so-called “birth certificate” that was first posted at Daily Kos and the official Barack Obama campaign site. Why doesn’t Barack come clean with his own, genuine Certificate of Live Birth? We do not know for sure but it appears that the name listed is that of BARRY SOETORO. Barry Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and, by virtue of that adoption, was registered as Barry Soetoro in Hawaii.
Barry aka Barrack has some “splaining” to do (to quote Ricky Ricardo).
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Interesting.
Thanks a lot guys, now we Repubs are rightfully worried Obama may go down before the convention. KNOCK IT OFF
Good job though, and good luck.
http://www.redstate.com/diaries/dave_in_fla/2008/aug/03/mccain-could-be-in-serious-trouble/
Now that is funny.
The moderate centrist democrats and our counter-parts on the other side of the aisle have had a unique opportunity for unity this year.
We can thank the MSM, Dean and Co., and the thuggish ob campaign for bringing us all into an unheard of bipartisan mutual understanding.
As for point #3 in your link: That author is wrong, Hillary has always had many issues addressed by her energy plans and has spoken about them at length and detail all along on the floor of the senate, etc.
Here is her energy page and her recent speeches are there on video and transcript:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/environment/index.cfm?topic=anwr
I do agree with you and your link, Hillary IS a formidable opponent, as barfy-baggie often repeated.
That’s the exact reason why the republican owned media shoved this weakling ob down our throats.
They sold the public Iraq and Dubya too. You would think the people would learn this and do the opposite of whatever the media tells them to do?
Brings to mind Bill saying if it was Hill vs Mac they would have a very civil and friendly contest since they have respect for one another.
We agree with Big Dawg. We don’t want the nasty political dirt and smears but we DO want to know our candidates – and we are hell bent on outing sham-man.
Good luck to you too! Mac is a good man and has earned my respect. NOBAMA is our unifier.
No chance. You really think that many Democrats will get off the Kool Aid?
If the Messiah tells them to put down the punch pitcher, they’ll do as he says. And if he crashes and burns, it’s what he will have to do.
They really have no where to go. If their candidate isn’t viable for the office due to the fact that he lied, he’s not going to be more viable in four years. It’s now or never with him. Besides, his wife has said she won’t allow him to do this again.
OT
At the top of Drudge today there WAS a big ad for a tell all Obama book…It may be on a rotation ad or just GONE.
John inCa, I agree with you, The Dems have drunk way too much Obama Juice (O.J.). This will ultimately be a boring convention with the brown shirst lock stepping in and voting for BO. Too bad. He won’t win.
Hillary would be a President for the whole country, not only for her Party. BTW McCain too. But Hillary is better – admit it!
Hey Luuuuuuuuuuuuuucy!!
LOL Excellent! There is HOPE! Hillary Style~!
Remember, Barak is half white, too…don’t dis yer man, okay?
This is a huge issue. Not only was the document forged, but the template used was Barack’s sister’s COLB.
I think when he tries to throw junior staffers under the bus on this issue, it’s going to be pretty interesting to wonder how those staffers got access to his sister’s COLB.
This is becoming surreal. We need answers, real ones, from Barack Obama.
Barack Obama doesn’t have answers. He just has Hope and Change.
Hope you don’t notice and Change the subject if you do.
“Hope the media ignores we Changed my sister’s COLB.”
His Hope and Change has always been Hype and Fraud.
I uh…BELIEVE…it’s starting to be seen as a problem, nonetheless!
Just as Obama feed KO talking points this should go to the Fox crowd but it is very troubling. Who knows because this was published by the campaign is their a legal path to now challenge his status as Clinton mention yesterday as any person who is…?
The NYT takes pains to suppress
“nuisance” items like this.
THat’s why I’d like to see it go outside to the Foreign Press. Didn’t an Israeli source also call it forged?
Why can’t we get a legitimate news network to cover this? will that happen?
The MSM Newsporn will probably not touch this…..Meanwhile Ol’ Dan Rather is sittin on the ranch sippin margueritas….laughin his ass off.
When will this story start sticking? Wasn’t McCain sued to show HIS birth certificate? Why has noone tried to sue Barry to show his yet?
I’m not going to ask the “When will the MSM pick this up” as they are incompetent as they are corrupt.
I think MOST are NOT incompetent but ALL are playing the OLD TESTAMENT GAME of getting someone back.
Everything they do (I hear) is due to the last 8 yrs.
MY PROBLEM with all that is I am NOT a religious zealot that believe in an eye for an eye! I call a HYPOCRITE when I SEE A HYPOCRITE!!!
DEMOCRATS (not DEMOCRATIC) are EQUAL to and at times WORSE than ANY (her me) A N Y REPUBLICAN worth mentioning!!!
SHAME, disgust, disappointment, beyond disillusioned with my X PARTY.
:-/ I have never been more ashamed of any group in my life. AND that is saying something because I didn’t think it was possible to top the 109th R CONGRESS & SENATE!!!!!
ARGHHHH you make BONER look acceptable!!!
AND THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE!
lmao this is crazy juice!
typos blech
hear me not her me
I am so disgusted
Wow! Can’t wait for more…. hopefully from Obama or his sis.
Maybe he’ll throw her under the bus too for allowing her COLB to be used this way.
Maybe she’ll take Grandma’s place from earlier in the primaries.
I just finished reading TexasDarlin’s posting.
Now the son-of-a-bitch Obama’s fraugulent scam has been exposed.
He has no choice but to answer to the press why he did this.
Get ready for his flip, then his flop. There will never be a straight answer from Obama on any subject. Once you think you got a straight answer, he will change his position 180 degrees.
fraudulent
Get ready for a 500,000 word important speech on the subject where he talks around it for an hour.
Followed be 6 or 7 press conferences to state WORM to satisfy ever possible group.
Chris tingle will go on about how ever elementary school student should watch this as a required element in their education. That way the can learn first hand that they can forge their parents signatures and get away with it.
My questions are, however, has he personally said that the posts of his colb are real or that he is responsible for them? He always leaves wiggle room and never hesitiates to accuse others as we know and keeps his hands clean. Can he get out of this by any means but producing his original BC? Will he need to if he denies the ones that have now been proved fraudulent? I think he’s got a major problem here, but to what extent he gets out of it remains to be seen. Someone with some clout needs to push this out to the public. Otherwise, it will be a minor ripple outside the Internet. This should be hitting the media with all the force of a tsunami IMO.
Isn’t the MSM really interested in ratings and money??? I have thought for a while now the ratings will skyrocket if Hillary actually were to become the nominee either now or at the convention (better as breaking news if it’s the convention). They have not been all barfy backing just for the sake of Barfy. They will bulldoze him if he is no longer producing the ratings and money for an event that will. I think they would be absolutely foolish not to push for Hillary in the name of their real game. It is not Barfy and only was when he produced results as someone new and fresh. Now he is old news and his 15 minutes of fame are way over!
I was listening to talk radio yesterday and a woman called in about this rally where supposedly 4-5000 people attended. Well, she said her dad works there and he’d be shocked to hear if the number was really 500-1,000 attendees and that the place couldn’t even hold 4-5000! I just don’t think people are that interested in barfy anymore. Too much anything makes a person sick of it and that is the barfy campaign.
Bring back Hillary!
I watched the ABC interview of Bill Clinton and he slipped that verbiage in there about anyone can run for president of the United States if they qualify under the constitution.
I also loved his description of his wife making the transition from public servant into a great leader.
AND THAT HE WAS VERY PROUD OF HER.
YES INDEED HILLARY MADE THE TRANSITION FROM BEING A LIFETIME GREAT PROGRESSIVE PUBLIC SERVANT TO A
GREAT LEADER!
I have the feeling that the comment about the qualifications under the constitution did not just get mentioned by accident.
Keep pushing this!
You are doing a great job!
I thought the exact same thing.
When i was watching i thought, how odd of Bill to qualify that statement so expressly. Anyone can run for president would have been enough as we all know he would be talking about americans, but for him to qualify it so expressly with “if they qualify under the constitution” made me sit up and blink.
I truly believe there is more shit to hit the fan yet on this and the whole fake birth Certificate thing is the tip of the iceberg and the clintons know what the rest of it is.
I agree. First of all why would Bill even need to bring the subject up at all let alone mention the Constitution? Considering the birth cert posted on Obama’s web site is forged and his sister’s was used to boot, I think it’s obvious something is going on about where Obama was born. Add to that he could have just produced the real one and this could have all been settled and Hillary could be the nominee. Because it seems increasingly clear that Obama is not constitutionally legal to run. That sure as hell seems to be how it is shaping up. The Clintons are very intelligent and if they know this to be true I am sure they know when to reveal it and how to do it.
nudge* nudge*….wink~ wink~
Maybe a signal to Barfy to consider dropping out??? We are on to you and we’ll bring you down or you can drop out yourself, but either way you are on your way out?
I knew the Clintons would not just sit back and allow this creep to take over and he’s completely running her platform (when he’s not stealing McCain’s) so why shouldn’t she take it back.
I smell a Clinton nomination coming on. In the same way I had a bad feeling about Barky, long before I could say why, I am actually getting a Hillary comeback feeling.
Will the MSM ignore this too? Hannity? Hannity? We got another story for you!
I also heard that Even Bayh is going to be the choice for Veep and possibly announce this week.
Obama Bayh 08
Sounds so much like
Obama Bye 08
ofcourse it also sounds like
Obama Buy 08
all of which have validity
Or, Obama by 8 (per centage points)
…that is, the Las Vegas odds for the number of points by which Obama will lose to McCain
lulz.
Hahahahaha!
No wonder he’s having trouble settling on a lackey, he needs someone who is willing to kiss his unexperienced ass, and whose name doesn’t screw up his ANOINTED meme….the last speculation sounded like cheers at a Greek party…. “OHPA!! McCAIN!”
(Obama-Kaine).
I think that is true because if you go to http://www.Obamabayh.com it links to a website. No other contenders do that.
http://www.obamabayh.com/
I don’t understand all of the technical stuff, but I hope that this is finally proof.
Thanks to Texas Darlin, Tech Dude and No Quarter.
This might explain Kos’s part in Barry’s fraudulent COLB, thinking he could pull it off: This is an exerpt from his book ad:
He’s just angling to become the Messiah’s Propaganda Secretary. The Messiah and his loyal drones truly believe that history will be rewritten by them since they truly believe that their jihad will make them the victors.
“bypass the old-world gatekeepers to communicate to the masses”
Out with the Old world gatekeepers in with the New World gatekeepers? Very disturbing thought knowing Obama’s backers and self interests.
So – Kos is Crashing the Gates with phony forged documents?
Too bad Kos and all the rest didn’t realize a very important fact:
WE CAN, TOO!
This is America. We all can organize, use the Internet and get our point of view out there.
Which is what sites like No Quarter is doing.
I also believe he wants to become the Minister of Propaganda.
So what are the gambling odds on the biggest story of this political season being that Barry Obama does not qualify under the constitution to be president and his campaign is actively engaged in covering it up?
As an aside, does anyone else think that the sudden hint that the Obama Campaign is going to be picking Bayh on Wednesday seem like a preemptive attempt to bury this story about the COLB before it gets traction? Obamalackies are aware of this and know it just hit and may be thinking DISTRACTION TIME!
I want Robert Downey Jr to play Obama in the movie.
Can’t we, little people do something about this? Like sue him or something?
Well, the timing isn’t going to get any better for trying to get this story out into the MSM.
Bill Clinton’s remark the other day about whoever qualifies under the constitution…can’t ask for a better intro than that.
Even if Mr. Clinton’s remark was a total coincidence, all a reporter has to do is ask him if he has heard the rumor, and POOF instant headline.
America Has to stop asking Bill to help clean up the mess it got itself into. He was president for 8 years and already served his country enough.
Someone else has to be the hero here.
Gee…Another Clinton who rightfully won the popular vote is ready to step in but she keeps being blocked at the door…..Grrrrr
I would find it poetically just if Big Dawg were the “hero” in this instance. He has been unjustifiably smeared for years, and deserves a bit of hero adulation.
That is why the media hasn’t jumped on board. It sounds like just a rumor! By the time the accuracy of the “rumor” has been examined by many other experts the election will be over.
WTF is up with the state of Hawaii? So Maya wasn’t born in INDONESIA? Or does the state issue COLBs willy-nilly? Could it be that she was born in HI, but her birth was “registered” in Indonesia, because of her father? How do they count AGE in Indonesia? Are you one year old on the day you are born? Some places actually do that–you start out as “age one.”`
Jeeez, it’s so confusing.
I don’t know what this does to his eligibility, but if that is her COLB, and someone doctored it, then someone involved in this mess–from Obama’s staff, or from the Asskissing Netroots Kos end–is a lying sack of shit.
There are probably no penalties for photoshopping that document, but there should be. I’m sure, if it comes to them being caught, they’ll claim it was just a “representation” and not intended to be the “actual document.” I just have a feeling they’ll pull some excuse like that out, to save face. “Deeewwwwwd, it was just like, yewww knewwww, a, like, Faaaahk-simmmie-lee, maaaaahn!”
AND, if his name IS “Barry Soetoro” — or WAS, at some time — then he’s a BIG, HONKING LIAR. Where was THAT chapter in that exhaustive book about his childhood? He couldn’t squeeze in a mention in either “All About MEEE” book he wrote?
Most importantly, WHERE IS HIS COLB?
Why did they feel they needed to lie? Was it just because of a secret adoption that ruins his narrative? That makes his name and story less dramatic?
When people lie about the little things, they’ll lie about the big things, too.
Could they have put this fake out there deliberately, and held back a valid document, to send people off on a goose chase, to make this serve as a distraction?
If so, WHO did that…and WHY?
You know, Bill Clinton was born William Jefferson Blythe. He never tried to HIDE that from people.
But then, he’s a bit more comfortable in his own self, and more comfortable meeting crowds of people and connecting with them on something other than a “vaulting rhetoric” level.
This is just….insane.
well i know the constitution states natural born citizens, but who or what organization is responsible for verifying this when someone puts themselves up for election to the presidency? They must have some organization and guidelines somewhere no?
Each state does it. Someone in each state has to challenge based on this data.
I suppose the DNC has a mechanism for working with each state, but I am honestly not clear on the details.
This election cycle has exposed the need for a national/Federal election commission that would verify the credentials of people running for the office of the Presidency and Vice Presidency. I bet that if the Messiah wins office, he will attempt to push through an amendment that would either nullify Article II of the Constitution or provide an exemption for dual born citizens such as himself.
Since it is Maya’s someone very close to Obama has know about it her COLB(either from her or a relative of hers could have got the COLB from Hawaii)
It would be awful if he just…swiped it.
IT would be pretty dreadful if she was in on this nonsense, too.
I wonder if the media will continue to ignore this. They certainly put the Ancient Mariner through his paces on this issue, you’d think they’d give The Anointed One at least similar scrutiny…
If TexasDarlin and Techdude are right, when did he change his name back to Barack Obama? Or didn’t he. Will he be President Sorotero? Barry? I found a blog, Legal Theory, and one of the profs is Lawernce Solum, Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Illinois.
There is an article review there by Gregory Chin, Why John McCain Cannot Be President. I emailed Prof. Solum Saturday posing a hypothetical about Barack Obama, his possible adoption and eligibility to be president. I said I though an article exploring my questions would be interesting. I don’t really expect to hear back from him, but I thought I would give it a shot anyway.
His email address is lsolum@gmail.com.
I don’t want to do anything to interfere with TexasDarlin and others who have worked so hard on these issues so I didn’t include any mention of the research here.
He did change his name back to Barack Obama. He was barry soetaro because soetaro adopted him. He was known as barry soetaro in prep school. That is not in dispute. It’s also perfectly legal. I think he changed it to barky junior when he when he was 18. The questions arise over where and when he was born and to whom, not whether or not he changed his name.
It may be common knowledge that he was known as Barry Soetero, but he did not mention it in his book. And he never mentions it now. Why?
There’s something unduly sinister about that. He wrote the memoir. Why not include the part about being adopted, his name, and then changing it back because he wanted to honor his birth father? This kind of thing happens all the time. After all, his mother divorced Soetero and 0bama went to live with his grandparents so any ties he had to Lolo Soetero were really broken. It’s not like the man raised him. And even if he had raised him, it’s normal that some people to cling to their blood parents.
It isn’t normal, however, to be a public figure and tell lies that can be checked. There is something wrong with 0bama.
He’s hiding something else. His campaign people could not have gotten his sister’s BC without complicity on his part.
I don’t think it’s common knowledge at all. They’re two different narratives. One has Barack Obama playing against the background of a civil rights movement he had little to do with, and the second has Barry Soetoro, privileged son of an oil executive, liaison to the Indonesian government. The second narrative just doesn’t have the same harmonic with the American people, and so it was edited out. I think it explains why he has missed so badly; he’s not completely authentic in the sense that he wasn’t raised here.
His high school pics show Barry Obama.
I think he changed it back when he went back to Hawaii in 1972. I think that was the reason for the one and only visit by Barack Sr.
Not JUNIOR…”The Second.” “II.”
He should have been Junior, assuming Dad’s name was Barack Hussein Obama.
But then, a sixteen year old filling out a form might be stupid about that Junior business…
The fake COLB is a smoking gun that points to the cover-up of a truth, so devastating, it will render Obama constitutionally ineligible to be POTUS.
The creation of this forged document proves that there are no fraudulent lengths Obama and his army of thugs are unwilling to go to in their greedy power grab. It is only a matter of time before Obama has to face the truth and deal with it’s consequences.
The sweet Karma of Obama being knocked off the ballot himself because of technicalities is the ultimate poetic justice considering what he did to Alice Palmer.
If it were up to the MSM we would never know the truth. Now they must carry this story or be exposed for being a tool of propaganda for the Obama camp.
Thank God for the efforts of TechDude, Texas Darlin and No Quarter!
erm…what have they been doing since last july?
You have to be
a retardan Obama Supporter tonot recognizedeny that the MSM is a propoganda tool for the Obama campaign.Of course WE all know that the MSM is a propaganda tool, but proving this to the masses is another story. They just aren’t as
smartaware as you.:)It has to be done with something huge and dramatic, and this surly qualifies.
I hope he is im peached as a Senator, too.
Obama 100% gone. Don’t let the door hit you in the behind on the way out barky!
I have been forwarding this thread everyday to Sean Hannity….so he, or someone on his staff anyway, is aware of this.
I just forwarded this about his sister Maya’s COLB……..
WAKE UP AMERICA
OBoy’s gotta go
What about Lou Dobbs?
At this point I think the National Enquirer is the best bet….LOL…..
They did afterall SCOOP on Edwards and His LUV CHILD……
I forwarded the story to The Enquirer, Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, and I was going to forward it to Israel Insider but they already have it up and running on their webpage. Israel Insider is saying that they are only passing the stuff around and won’t stand behind it until TechDude comes up with the forensic evidence because our very own Joseph Cannon is saying he can’t replicate the results so it probably can’t be done and is bullsh**.
Joe Scarborough, too? There are some good guys on each major network thank God!
Obama’s handlers CHANGED his birth certificate.
He HOPES no one will notice.
Barky, can you say BUSTED?
Oooo can you say “Barry step DOWN or be prosecuted?”
Hellllllllo Madam President!!
WE apologize for the DELAY!
Mr HUSSEIN Obama must go to Jail before the Convention!
Enough is enough. After all the controversy about his birth certificate, Obama has to come clean now ynd present the real one, the one he uses for all administrative purposes, to the public. Remember all that brouhaha from the Obama camp about Hillary allegedly withholding financial informations for too long? And at the same time, Obama does nothing to assure the public he is really constitutional qualified to run for president. Not to speak of that he seems to be withholding medical informations as well.
All those facts belong on the table NOW, before Denver.It would be a catastrophe for the Dem party and for the chances in the election if incriminating informations come up after the nomination, when there’s no way back. Delegates have to know all the pros and cons before making their decision.
Let’s get real.
If this is a forgery, then this is either illegal, or shows an extreme lack of honesty. As citizens of the United States, we deserve and demand honesty in our leaders.
No more Big Lies.
If someone is willing to forge their own Birth Certificate, then there is nothing else they would be unwilling to lie about.
If the forgery is true, then any American who values honesty will determine that Obama is unfit for the Presidency. End of discussion.
Leaping ahead, I’m going to predict, if they even admit that they doctored the document, that they will claim it wasn’t intended to be “real.” They’ll say it was intended to be a “representation” or something like that, a facsimile…sort of like the fake checks you get from Publisher’s Clearinghouse.
That’s what they’ll SAY.
Obama’s camp will play dumb.
But at that point, they really will have to huck up a COLB…by then they’ll probably have whipped up a better version…or gotten a name change to go through so he can be issued a brand new one, or something.
Something is wrong, here, though.
SOMEONE has lied.
We need to know WHO.
Why oh Why oh Why would Barack do this?
Conspiracy Theory #44
It’s all about Obama’s birth certificate that was kept in a can in his novels.
There is a possibility that the birth certificate in the can identified his father as a muslim. The forged birth certificate was created to “wipe away” this fact.
Here’s my opinion. If Obama’s birth father was Muslim, and his step-father was muslim, then all of that is fine. If he says that he turned to christianity, then I would be inclined to believe him. Whether it is fair or not, it sure would be hard for a self-recognized Muslim candidate to be running for prez right now. They would have to be pretty exceptional.
But I don’t think Barack trusted that in a post-9/11 world, the American people would truly understand his story. Instead, that word Muslim on his Birth Certificate would be too strong a negative. To solve the problem, he forges a “squeaky clean” Certificate of Live Birth. Problem solved.
If all of this turns out to be something more then just electrons floating through space, then I think that Barack’s attitude is a little sad and it’s a little cynical. Instead of honestly explaining who he is, as long and as complicated as that story may be, he feels he needs to create a “sanitized” version of Barack, suitable for larger consumption. It’s a very cynical world view. I believe that a majority of the American people are open minded enough to understand the full range of the American experience.
Bottom line, we as American citizens have a right under our Constitution to validate the identity of our Candidate’s backgrounds and to confirm that they are who they say they are. If the security border on his proferred birth certificate is completely muddled, then it is reasonable and it is well within our rights to ask for clarification. That’s what security borders are for – to root out forgeries.
Besides, I don’t know about you, but I have had to take drug tests to get a job, why shouldn’t the presidential candidates be required to show that all citizenship requirements are in order? Is it embarrassing to have to piss in a cup? Yes. Can it sometimes be embarassing to have to fork over your birth certificates. Yes again. As they say, the presidency is the biggest job in the land so it goes with the territory.
Well, this is just too much. Did he join Trinity United Church of Christ just to establish his bonadies as a Christian? I’ve never believed he was a practicing Muslim, however, it does seem possible he was at one time. Aren’t those who have left Islam for Christianity call infidels? Is his name really Obama or is it Sorotero and shouldn’t that name be on the ballot if it is his legal name. If he changed his name, there has to be a public record, right? His campaign is responsible for making the truth public since they, and kos, were the ones who posted the information to begin with. What about passport information? Was the breach (three actually) an attempt to alter the information or verify info? If someone doesn’t address this before the Convention in Denver, we will have a case where the Credentials Committe will be asked to certify the information? Are the documents made availble before primaries public? This would be the biggest scam in the history of the world.
A long time ago, when checking out Farrakhan and Wright’s trips to see Gaddafi as well as ob’s trips to Indonesia and Pakistan, I stumbled across a wiki page about “Islamic Socialism” and found out that Pakistan and Libya and Gaddafi were all tied to it. In fact, it says Gaddafi is the one who first coined the term. “Islamic Marxism” is also mentioned on sites.
Atheist is not to be excluded from political based so called “religions” it is clear there is little pious about OB and his so called faith.
Personally, I have found a great deal of evil coming from him, his history and his campaign.
The current Pope of the RCC ( then known as Cardinal Rattzinberger sp? ) went after Liberation Theology for over 20 years because of the synthesis of Marxism and Religion.
Liberation Theology is Marxism wrapped in the Baby Jesus….
BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY IS THE FASCIST DAUGHTER OF THE MARXIST PARENT…….
The Islamists you are talkin about aren’t goin to pass up on a good thing…..Theocracy is what it is…..Puritanical and Absolutely Smothering……FASCIST….eh ?
He “practiced” the way little kids practice. They do what their parents tell them. They sit in church/mosque/temple and they take religious education according to the wishes of the parents.
He was in Koran classes in Indonesia, because his stepfather put him in them. He went to mosque in a sarong with stepdad at least a few times.
But none of that will be reflected on the COLB, in any event. Not even the original–that’s not a characteristic of a COLB in the US. And we know he was born in HI, as the newspaper had that abstract from the Vital Statistics office.
Either the KOS people took it upon themselves to fake up this document to shut people up who were asking about BHO’s birth circumstances, or someone from the campaign “helped” the situation by providing the document.
Did they do that to keep people occupied, or is there something being hidden?
If he was born in one of two hospitals in Hawaii, why is there no record of it in any hospitals Birth Logs.
~”To solve the problem, he forges a “squeaky clean” Certificate of Live Birth. Problem solved.”~
Except when you or I do it it’s called fraud and we can be sent to prison for creating a “squeaky clean” one.
Isn’t all the new citizenship verification rules requiring all undocumented Mexican illegal aliens and U. S. citizens of Mexican heritage to produce documentation all about proving their U. S. citizenship? And what about those “squeaky clean” birth certificates we keep trying to take away from their kids, more than a little double standard here!
And if we use a fake birth certificate to get a job we’ll be fired. Every job application has that little box on it asking if you are a citizen and if not, do you have a green card. Without proof of birth, what box did Obama check, before he got promoted to candidate for president, and was it verified or did he just look so much more honest than we do that they gave him a job without either a birth certificate or a drug test?
Very good points.
Obama needs to withdraw his candidacy. He can’t explain any of this.
The hypocrites in the media need a few pies in the face or something. They cannot retain one shred of credibility if they turn away from this story.
And superdelegates are you (wo)men or mice?
WAKE UP! WAKE UP!! WAKE UP!!!
The word “Muslim” would NOT appear on a birth certificate.
He does have a planed trip to Hawaii.
Maybe some late night trips to the Medical Records Office.
Nah…..chuckle…..Lil’ Barry’s goin to check on his Cracker Granny….
Gotta make sure she is doped up and the door is locked…
**** FREE OBAMA’S CRACKER GRANNY FROM BONDAGE….****
Someone should start a petition……No ?
this seems like a pretty racist comment to me.
Don’t they usually have something about the race of each parent? I would think Obama Sr. would identify himself as something other than Negro African
I don’t know about the COLB, but to describe the trajectory of this campaign, the name should have been
Barakis Dukakis.
ROFL!
OMG!
Let’s be logical here. His sister is a time traveler and assisted as a midwife at his birth. Anything is possible when you are the new Messiah.
Funny that…..Does his sister appear on Toast too ?
My guess is that Obama will merely ignore this “little detail”. However, the forgery/fake/phony/photoshopped birth certification could not have happened without Obama’s knowledge.
He is going to be throwing a few people under the bus — the sloppy forger and whoever else gets in Obama’s climb to the top.
Shall we take bets on how soon Obama will feel the need for a “major” speech — about how his trust was betrayed — blah blah blah blah blah. He will be the political virgin — surrounded by nasty people — now gone . . . blah blah blah.
I’m going to send this information to some conservative friends — and ask them to “reverse engineer” this information back through their conservative network. These friends have been sending anti-Obama email for months now — I’ve kept the contacts hoping to be able to return the “favor”.
Are we hoping that KOS will be screaming like a stuck pig?? Or will the Orange stain go suddenly silent?
Texas Darlin & TechDude — true American patriots!
PUMA!
could not have happened without Obama’s knowledge.
Considering he is a control freak and the COLB is apparently his sisters, you bet he knew about it.
Bo gets to see the results of his race baiting in the primaries
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/the-clintons-are-racist-chicken-come-home-to-roost/
MEMO TO OBAMA CENTRAL:
I encourage everyone at “Obama Central” to Read or re-read “All The President’s Men”, and do it today.
“Watergate” started at CREEP. “Committee To Re elect The President”.
COLB gate clearly started at Obama Central
What you at Obama Central do now could affect the rest of your lives.
It could determine where you will be living, what you will be wearing, eating and who you will be showering with for the next seven to fifteen years.
If you are not involved, Don’t participate in the cover up that is already underway.
It was the cover up of A”Third rate burglary” that sent everyone but Nixon to prison.
The cover up of this third rate forgery of Barack’s COLB will end up doing the same thing to you if you participate in it in any way..
If Barack’s Colb is forged from his sister’s and he is not eligible to run for POTUS he will not be able to claim ignorance if the facts.
It will mean that He has committed crimes that will send him and anyone else involved to prison for a very long time.
Consider the Millions he knowingly solicited under false pretenses. It’s called a con and punishable under Federal Law.
If he used the mail to raise money, and he did, he has committed a Federal Crime under the Mail Fraud Statutes.
All the money raised will have to be returned, and we are talking hundreds of millions of dollars.
Anyone at the DNC who knew will be on the hook for criminal charges and fines.
Again, If you are not involved, don’t participate in the cover up.
What did the Kose know and when did they know it. Did they just print it on faith or were they involved.
It is time for a Federal Prosacutor to be appointed to determine the facts, clear the innocent and charge the guilty to bring them to justice.
Good luck everybody.
many pundits have compared the one with Nixon so none of this is surprising.
Funny how the one gets compared to repubs like Nixon and Reagan???
The only dem he’s compared to is Carter (unless it is about speeches-then it’s Kennedy).
I just read the link to Texas Darlin’s page and got all teary-eyed when I read how KG wants Techdude to donate the prize money to retiring Hillary’s debt.
That says it all.
PUMA pride.
As a side note, I never visited the KOS or Huff sites very often and just occasionally read pieces there when linked by other sites. I found those sites filled with treachery and lies and wanted no part of them.
It will be a bonus if this forgery takes down the KOS orange cesspool as accessories to a crime.
We can now call it “Maya-gate”. Has a nice ring to it.
Thanks TD, as I’ve said many times before YOU rock girl!
That is not the COLB he knew. There is just about enough room for a piece of paper under the bus, but that is the last straw. No room left for anything else, we have to start using the roof rack from here on out.
Then maybe we can rent a u-haul to go on the trailer hitch, you know the one that Ob confessed he had never heard of such a thing before.
The man didn’t know what a trailer hitch was, for crissakes. If that didn’t tell you he is not out of touch I don’t know what will.
They didn’t use them in Hawaii or Indonesia or Kenya.
Not electable, not presidential, not genuine.
Rise Hillary Rise.
Great work, good news, now let’s have it go somewhere.
Of course, to ask the obvious question about Obama and his campaign, can someone tell me:
What the hell is going on here?
This is really a big story. So, what I’m about to say may be startling.
Get the story to Drudge and Rush Limbaugh and see if they’ll pick it up. That’s the ONLY way it will ever get picked up in the media. I am sorry to say that, but of course NBC won’t pick it up until Fox picks it up [it took a year for the Wright story to get out, except it was reported that entire time on Fox), ABC won’t pick it up, until CBS picks it up, etc.
Get it to Drudge and Rush…otherwise, this will just be considered another “conspiracy” tale spun up by tin foil hatters. It’s not. But, you can imagine how this issue can be tossed off by MSNBC under the Matthews/Olbermann/Gregory/Shuster/Scarborough Frat Boys Animal House Mafia.
It’s a real story. Forgery is a criminal matter. And, if this question gets out there, it further highlights the history of Obama’s involvement with Rezko and associates linked to organized crime in Chicago.
Drudge?
Please
He is almost as bad as daily KOS.
Or did you miss the whole primary where it was rose water on the anointed one headlines while it was deathwatch for hillary ones?
Drudge has no value as anything other than a trash site now. They showed their tendencies to drink koolaid with the best of them.
Hmmmm……Excellent tid-bit Larry. Went over to TD’s and read the article.
Apparently Obama forgot to read the Rest of the tricky Dick story as commenter mentioned above. The part about how a couple of determined reporters kept digging until they found the truth. It will be interesting how this plays out. As it is it look like another Pie in the face of the Party. Thanks to TD and Her Houndogs for stayin on the scent….And thanks to NQ for being a forum of Free Speech.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
My god, he IS the one — the fraud we’ve long thought him to be. Will NQ or TD be actively pressing to get this story into the MSM?
Obama got where he is by gaming the system, getting his opponents disqualified, and other dirty tactics.
It would be SO FUNNY if this brings him down.
Larry, I think you’ve been taken in. I notice that you do not display an image verifying the claim that Maya’s name is there.
I go into this matter in great detail on my own site. I’ll show you extreme close-ups of the COLB that are enhanced to match what Techdude did — but I do NOT include any overlays to prejudice results. You will see the actual document, which he (so far) has refused to show.
And I have promised to publish on my site any image submitted by anyone else who is able to squeeze out actual, legible letters.
That’s fair, isn’t it?
So, Larry (or someone else) – other than a reader forwarding this to Hannity, can you just reassure us that SOMEONE else of note is aware of and reading all this? Just reassurance, no details needed!
Gee Joe…..Larry posts the link and also states the story will be posted on the site later today….
Obama: “The wheels on the bus go… wait… what? Er, what do you mean the wheels are falling off?”
Obama is aware of this now unless he is telling his staff to leave him alone until he finishes his waffle. Obama’s staff follows NQ since this site is all over Obama.
I am not interested in an explanation from Obama, a liar’s explanation is meaningless. Everyone saw him trip all over himself after the Wright tapes were uncovered and the guy sat there for 20 years.
So Obama will ask who wants to go under the bus next and many in his cult will be eager to volunteer for him. We see extreme behavior in all cults to the point where the cultists will easily give up their own lives for their so-called cause. Jim Jones and Heaven’s Gate are examples.
The MSM doesn’t matter anymore and Obama doesn’t matter anymore. What matters now is that the people who will be voting have knowledge of this subterfuge. Since the MSM is protecting Obama, this information may have to be disseminated through talk radio or even the National Enquirer. The National Enquirer used to be a joke but now it has more credibility than papers like the New York Times.
Whenever a layer is peeled off Obama more rot is found. And this is only the campaign season, Obama has no power yet. Just imagine if he were president — fiascos and cover ups would be ubiquitous.
I don’t know why people do stupid shit like Obama is doing. You’re going to get caught eventually. I guess that is why they call it stupid. A reasonable person would admit their mistake and move on.
That’s the problem with fraud….It’s kinda addictive. Just how far can I get away with….Like Gambling…..see what I mean ?
You know what they say…It’s not WHAT you do, it’s what you GET CAUGHT doing.
LOL….The problem with the criminal mind is that like other vices it crops up in childhood as routine human nature….This kind of thinking needs to be nipped in the bud….What did Hillary say…hmmm….Oh Yeah she quoted an african proverb…” It takes a village to raise a child….”
When a society enables and encourages this kind of thinking and behavior it’s own signature is on the warrant. Really do hope that someone in the top tier besides HRC…..GROWS A SPINE !…….and stops this MADNESS….
But being a fan of Hulme and Diogenes….not to mention Socrates….I remain skeptical about the DNC coming to it’s senses….( sigh )
To paraphrase Shakespeare in current colloquial amerispeak…..
” Will No One Rid Us Of This Lyin Sack O’ Shit ? “…..chuckle
I thought they called it Chicago Politics.lol
Many criminals are stupid. I’ve known too many young ones over the years and it is like that, they keep doing the same thing over until caught. If they get caught they don’t learn to be more honest, they learn to be better crooks.
EGO!!!!!!
[...] This is from NO QUARTER [...]
Barack Obama = Barry Soetoro = Indonesian = Not Eligible for POTUS
The question must be asked… WHY!!!
Dear TD and Techdude:
Thank you for your time, energy, and tenacity.
I might have misread, but didn’t a Hawaiian official say to you,TD, when you called about this issue, he/she told you that obama’s BC copy was issued recently? If that’s the case, do you think he/she is connected to the obama camp and has given a wrong answer to you.
I think this could be the nuke. I notice, not one troll on this thread when usually the COLB issue brings them out. My trust is in the clear instructions TechDude and KG gave to replicate the footprint left by the original type. AND in Larry’s firmness,AND in WJC’s remark, AND in some other side remarks and body language. It will be very, very hard for those who have gotten their ego involved in either supporting BO or the forged COLB to let go. Which brings me back, where are the trolls to blather about the Whitey tape, their usual fall-back?
Ehemmm…Bemused there is a time lag in GAZA…..they’ll show up and probably try to shut down the site….LOL
*** OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ***
Yes.I have noticed a definite schedule.
But, still I’ve noticed a fall-off in volume. Haven’t had time to look at many other sites lately to see how their assigned trolls are faring.
WHAT’S OBLOWME/WHAT’S HIS REAL NAME HIDING?!!
Show U.S. the following records now!
ALL School records
Actual medical records – not some bullshit summary -
including birth hospital records and any other hospital stays
A Certified Copy of Original Birth certificate and all Adoption paperwork and name changes
Any Harvard Law Review articles that were published
Any University of Chicago scholarly articles
Cases filed, tried or settled
Baptismal Certificate
Criminal History Record
All Passports Ever Used
Aaaaaand…..Pony up the Campaign Financial Records….Barry….
Well said Meechelle hates america….
Pat yourself on the back buddy.
I’m keeping a list from you, HARP, Texas Darling and others.
As there is no Qualifications Committee, this is info. America should know.
Too bad idiots like Bob Herbert will only focus on race.
I’m adding Campaign Records to the list now – good call.
I think maybe one way we can get it out there is calling in the radio & tv shows.
Like Sean Hannity, or Rush. I’ve always disliked these people, but if we can use them…who cares!
Washington Journal, Larry King, Air America…whoever has a large audience with a talk show.
You know how they screen the calls first, just say you’re going to talk about whatever the topic is, then when you’re on the air – ask why they haven’t covered Obama’s fake COLB.
I like the idea of calling in on Hannity’s show because he’s MSM. If the republicans hold on to this until after Obama gets the nomination, it will be painfully obvious that they are putting party before country themselves.
To talk with Sean during his show (3-6PM EST)
Call: 800.941.7326
Ehemmm…..Francis I thought someone locked your stall….Now Trot on back to GAZA…..You have some water to carry…LOL
Texas Darlin, Tech Dude, great work. Where is this going to go from here? Have you been able to get anyone in the media to look at it? I would suggest Lou Dobbs, Limbaugh, someone. I read one of our bloggers had forwarded the story to Hannity, but hadn’t heard back. Maybe send this to the John McCain campaign, you might get some help there since he was put through the process of proving his citizenship.
Good Luck, and great work.
Katmoon-
I would add Bill Moyers,and Brian Lamb (C Span) to your list and….especially Seymor Hersch and Greg Palast
The msm corporate masters are not going to touch this story.
I think it’s abundantly clear that the only way to get it out there is on the Internet.
I’ve always felt the 0bama was lying about not being a muslim. And I’m sure he feels he has good reason in this post 9/11 world.
Still, anyone who doesn’t recognize that children have no control over their parents’ dictates is stupid. It would have been perfectly understandable if this was the case, but when he returned to the US at 10 years old, he no longer was affiliated with any religion. Unless, once he changed his name back and became enamored with his paternal roots, he practised for a period, while in college, for example. Maybe that’s why he made a side trip to Pakistan. Of course, immediately upon going to Chicago and getting started in politics, he realized that he would get nowhere as a Muslim, and so he abandoned it. He meets Michelle and he joins Trinity and becomes a Christian, disavowing publicly any ties to Islam.
He doesn’t just have to do this for Americans, he also can’t claim to have ever actually practised to the Muslim world, because even though he is Muslim by birth and would still be considered an apostate, I’m sure it would be worse to some if he actually practised and then converted to Christianity.
For me, the bottom line is the lies. Not acknowledging the name change is more problematic to me bcause it shows a deliberate attempt to manipulate the AA community, and doing so shows how little he knows about AAs who I don’t think would have had a problem with the truth. It is his father’s name after all and Soetero only raised him for 4 years so it’s not exactly a slap at the adoptive father.
He’s recreated himself into an image that he prefers and now doesn’t want to be called on it by the public. This is where I call him arrogant. I don’t want a leader who has no humility. Humility is one of the chief features of a good leader. Learning from one’s mistakes. I notice that when 0bama has been caught at something, he never apologizes and finds a way to blame someone else.
I would never give power to someone with that attribute.
It’s a very amateurish HOAX. Obama’s sister’s name couldn’t possibly be seen as a rough outline in his COLB.
It’s impossible for black text on a coloured background in a JPEG to leave a vague outline of the the letters — either the real letters or any previously masked ones because JPEGS have “artifacts” (random looking coloured pixels in a checkerboard rectangle around text which extend up to about 8 pixels from the text to the background – thus PREVENTING any sort of ‘outline’ of letters from ever being visible.
If anyone doubts this – just take a JPEG with text on it and then greatly enlarge it and see for yourself. If the artifacts and the edge of the checkerboard rectangle cannot be seen, just increase the contrast until it can be.
Ray
Ray, I don’t think that is what is being suggested.
Go back and read what was written. The clues come from the coverup, not the elimination.
The thing that makes this so weird, is the “why”, part.You look at a possibly criminal act, you want to know why someone does this. It is easy to provide a legitimate birth certificate, so why not do it? Also, the whole lie in his book about his parents meeting during the CR marches, and then the passport breach, it’s awful strange, to lie about simple, simple facts that are easily proven. What is there to hide? I think the obvious is non-citizenship, or possibly background information that would be presumed unfavorable for a candidate, but if it’s not illegal, then this is stupid. To take a risk of posting a fraudulent document, as proof of citizenship, then all that follows with the “proof” adds up to a lot more than just a fraudulent document. Accepting money,(campaign contributions) if others are involved(RICO anyone?)and so forth. I don’t think this was unknowingly, that campaign is careful, if anything over-vigilant, but it is possible I guess that it was in error; I just can’t get my head around that. I have my birth certificate, in it’s original form with a seal, and didn’t have to change a thing for it to be mine.
My oh my. I think maybe the buzzards are going to come home to roost.
That might have been KOS hubris…the old “See, I’ll show THEM!” routine, a way of shutting up naysayers.
It helps if your documents are real, though….
Since it seems apparent a fraud has been perpetrated by the presumptive nominess Obama, he should be supoenaed(sp?) AND while they are at it, supoena his Grandmother, too…the Grandmother knows the whole story and I really doubt if she would lie for him. Obviously, Maya would since she must have lent him the birth certificate. She should face charges, too.
Is Sen obama going to Hawaii shortly for family vacation?
Will this, or how might this, affect any followup investigations resulting from the excellent work by Texas Darlin & Tech Dude?
I’m just waiting for Obama to return from his vacation in HI with his newly minted, original, certified HI birth certificate. Hot off the press! There is nothing that he can’t or won’t fabricate. In fact, he is a fabrication himself, IMO.
I have been asking this question literally for months;
What passport was used BY Mr Lolo Soetoro and or his mom for BO to enter Indonesia?
I am also wondering Mr. Johnson , what info leads you to say he gave up his Indonesian citizenship and or Kenyan citizenship as I heard you mention on the recent radio show you did.
As I am not a lawyer I would REALLY like to be educated on what civil, criminal and constitutional violations are afoot here.
\
Can we start a “Grand Jury” list?
Logan Act;p 3 times prima facia.
Conspiracy to commit; from Illinois to now.
Mail Fraud….
Voting fraud…
FEC violations
Campaign finance violations
Anyone else want to add to this?
I want second your request for more info. on his travels as a child and on what is at stake here.
And to think I thought I would fly off into the sunset, never to be called a racist in this life.
I am really mad for all the good people that have had this crap hoisted on them.
Does anyone remember Nixon’s campaign slogan from 1972, just before Watergate broke??
“NIXON’S THE ONE!”
As Watergate moved up the chain to the Oval Office those campaign buttons started to re appear with a different meaning.
Does anyone remember the root problem at CREEP??
Arrogance, dirty tricks and too much money.
They were full of dirty tricks on the campaign trail and came to believe increasingly that they could get away with anything.
Oh yeh! I almost forgot. most people don’t remember how in the tank the MSM was for Nixon before the election and how McGovern couldn’t catch a break.
We were very impatient with the MSM to get on to this story. Aside from the WOPO, it took the MSM until well after the election to catch up to Watergate.
After the election we started seeing bumper stickers that read: “Don’t Blame Me I’m From Massachusetts!”
(Only Mass. and D.C. voted for George.
I think we should stock pile Bumper Stickers that say “Don’t Blame Me I’m A PUMA!”
Or:
“Don’t Blame Me I Voted For Hillary”
How about one that reads:
Come On NQ No One Likes An ITUS”!
How about:
When you Click On NQ Yell: “Gloating Positions”!
What ever your doing, if your not having fun, your doing it wrong
Everything old is new again & Denver should be very afraid!
Actually “Nixon’s the One” was from the 1968 campaign. A trickster by the name of Richard Tuck hired a group of past-due pregnant women to appear at Nixon’s rallies holding signs that said “Nixon’s the One”. Maybe that is the reason he did not use the slogan in 1972.
I’m wondering if Hussien Obama did something to cover his tracks during the primary when the passport was compremised. The information in that passport goes back from when he was a young child traveling in and out of the U.S. He may have had all original info on himself changed which would make all true info gone and unprovable. I hope, since it was breached 3 times, that the Clinton’s or the republicans got to it first, protecting the true information.
No, it doesn’t. Visas are stamped in your paper copy–the individual nations have records, and the US has embarkation/disembarkation data, but that’s that.
All that’s in his passport is his picture, his name, his DOB, citizenship, current address, that kind of thing.
Don’t overblow the passport files. There’s no “there” there.
This is Nixonian…. If what he is trying to cover up
is that he was called Barry Soetero then the cover up using his sister COLB is worse that the fact per se…
I do not understand AT ALL what is going on here.
Why aren’t they releasing the original COLB and abort all this? Are they that stupid?? Or are they
that certain the media will never ever ever request them the original one?
I had to post this because I’m curious why Obama would use Hillary’s web page to send a letter for Michigan and Florida delgates to be seated in full. Also where is Obama getting the 56 States again?lol.Does he not know his geography yet?
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=7913
Thanks Texas Darling and TechDude!
Like others here, I wonder if all your work will have an impact.
Do you agree that the “O” could only be challenged AFTER the election, as stated by an earlier poster?
This seems to be far too important to just languish in cyber-space!
this is BS – I keep reading and reading and nothing, like good ‘ol Sinclair – nothing ever happened and nothing will come of this – no balls from this group or any other to call a press confrence
The irony here is that it’s not going to be Obama who gets tripped up by a fabrication. Instead it will be those who are promoting Techdude’s analysis. But that’s what happens when people so desperately want something to be true that they lose all faculty for objectivity and reason (this is what keeps quacks, charlatans and con artists in business).
While I still haven’t reached any firm conclusion one way or the other as far as the Obama certificate goes (just ask Ray here), there is one thing for which there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever in my mind, and that is that Techdude’s analysis is pure fabrication.
And the truly sad part, in light of so many having swallowed it hook line and sinker without question, is how trivially easy it is to demonstrate that it’s a fabrication.
se
put up or shut up. YOu think its a fabrication? Prove it.
you can’t can you?
I am writing my state’s newspaper today, and I have already sent a letter to my states SEcretary of STate, who has promised to look into Barky’s eligibility.
ha ha. oboy is going down.
If it’s so trivial, then do it in 2 sentences or less. You have been called out. Do it or shut up.
se:
The only way to PROVE it is for Senator Obama to release his ORIGINAL COLB. It is that easy.
Do you have it?
If you do not then you have NO proof the one at Kos is FALSE.
Get it? If you do not then go back to school and take Logic 101.
se…
Ok…I’ll bite.
Where is Sen Obama’s original birth certificate.
why is he not releasing other information-including medical,academic,financial records that the public needs to review?
Please provide explanation.
Thanks.
I am interested in hearing your assessment. Not your OPINION, your analysis of the documents, down to the pixel, as others have done here.
Saying “I don’t like it, so it can’t be real” isn’t an argument, either, you know.
I agree,the Birth Certificate has been an issue for weeks now, and it never seems to leave this area. Just like the Edwards story, Fox, put it out there, and no other media wants to touch it… This birth Certificate,will be brushed under the rug. This should be sent to Enquirer,Glenn Beck, or Sean Hannity. I’m sure the New York Times would even take it since there ratings have dropped drastically, since the Mccain piece.
Please send it somewhere,people can see this.
Joseph at Cannonfire offers a more scientific analysis. If someone can duplicate
Tech Dudes’ results from the image, pass it on. You will will the PRIZE.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
Don’t you all realize how STUPID you will all look when your wild speculation is proved wrong?
It is impossible to find outlines from deleted text
It is impossible to find outlines from deleted text
It is impossible to find outlines from deleted text
It is impossible to find outlines from deleted text
It is impossible to find outlines from deleted text
Let’s test it. Maybe Larry could remove your comment and then we’ll all look for the outlines! We’ll get back to you on our results, promise!
Like I’ve said before, if we are wrong, then okay. At least the truth would be known, as opposed to not saying anything at all.
Obamabots get mad when we ask any questions about the man.
smh
Ray (of hope and change),
If you are right, why would you not want to us to continue looking silly as that might help your doomed candidate receive less of a humiliating defeat?
Further, if what you say is true, why would you want to free up the people who are tirelessly working on this angle, so that they would work to light up some other area of Obama’s shadow?
Steven
Is it possible to find outlines from text that has been deleted and color sloppily and inaccurately filled in to conceal the fact that text has been removed?
Expert?
Ray by all means provide detailed reasons as to why. I mean I understand there are good people out there that won’t take this at face value.
But just understand that computer forensics is a real field. Also understand that certian anomolies are intentionally coded or otherwise not accounted for that leave a foot print.
The amount of money invested in document fraud prevention is is in the billions of dollars in the US alone. Companies like Adobe are very sensitive to their products being used in illegal enterprises.
This person TechDude makes a living in large part doing this type of work, from what I understand. I have done computer forensics in my job and it is a very time consuming thankless task.
So if you want to attempt the same reconstruction and post your results go for it. That is the rubber meets the road.
What would really be funny is if BOBO never legally changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama and has been running for president under an alias. After taking vacation for the entire month of November so I could finish laughing my ass off over BOBO putting a forged COLB on his fight the smears site, I’d have to use up most of December to roll on the floor laughing my ass off over BOBO lying to us about his name.
An alias! Wouldn’t that be something.
smh
Well, I guess it isn’t much of a surprise. Most thugs do have at least one alias.
Geez! Remember back before the first primary how there was no way we could lose?
I think that was the attitude that did us in. Thinking we couldn’t lose, we threw caution to the wind and voted for the hopey changey feel good candidate rather then the professional.
I remember with the abu grab images, they were able to convict because they had digital signatures leading back tot the culprits. the blog attacks were connected to obama through IP addresses. is there any way to find out who did this?
Also, very quickly, please… there needs to be:
1. a formal report submitted to the FEC, all state election boards, and whatever other body demanding his removal from candidacy (doing this nationally and state by state will give more chances someone will do something.)
2. HI police, fbi, cia, state department, whoever needs to be notified that there has been provable document fraud and possible treason (?) and the arrest of the perpetrator. (a nice PR move would be a civil case against obama by anyone that gave him money saying they were defrauded of their funds)
3. a formal press conference with the MSM (don’t laugh) showing them the step by step process and exposing obama as a fraud.
4. masses of calls, emails, and letters to media telling them to do their jobs and investigate.
5. masses of emails to any group that doesn’t like the obamessiah to help create a ground swell before the convention.
6. super delegates need to be told about this and then told to do the right thing and endorse Hillary before it is too late. we need a massive email, phone call, letter campaign to do this too.
I also wonder if we should pull resources and hire an unaffiliated professional computer forensics firm to accredit these findings? I’d break off a few bucks for that! Especially since these results will just be called the crazy manipulations of obsessed people (even if there are hundreds of us) by the MSM, the DNC and the obama campaign — or as i refer to them, “barky bark and the funky bunch”
this can’t just be rumors talked about on a few “radical” blogs. we’ve got to get it out there–-and fast!
I think all of us should do our part and send this story to all the MSM outlets, including BBC.
If the story is wrong, fine, it can be disputed by the Obama camp.
If NOT, then he is not qualified to be President of the United States of America, and needs to be out of the race, and CAN NOT become the DNC nominee.
So do your part everyone! Start sending those emails, post on news message boards (and see how quickly they get deleted, lol, but someone in the news might see it during the 5 minutes it’s posted)
lol @ Barack and the DNC for thinking that Clinton supporters would fall in line. Most of us have been waiting for her to run since the 90’s, andwe are not about to let The Lyin King get away with this.
AJSHOPE wrote:
If it’s so trivial, then do it in 2 sentences or less. You have been called out. Do it or shut up.
The very same sorts of dots, and smudges and artifacts that Techdude maps out claiming they are the remnants of the original printing on the document are littered throughout the entire image, and not just where he draws his little circles and boxes.
There. That’s it in the nutshell of one sentence.
If you’ll permit me a few more, I’ll illustrate it for you as well.
In the original post on TexasDarlin, as he walks the reader through a “Do It Yourself” analysis, he says “Towards the top of the border on the left hand side you will see the remnants of a very small vertical line.”
Here’s a blowup of it:
remnant1a.jpg
As you can see, it’s just eight pairs of pixels aligned vertically giving the impression of a small vertical line. The grid by the way is delineating 8 pixel by 8 pixel “cells” that the JPEG algorithm breaks an image down into for procesing.
He then says “Circle it and keep looking for more.”
Ok, let’s.
remnant1b.jpg
As you can see, there are other arrangements of pixels that are aligned vertically giving the impression of a small vertical line. If particular interest are the two shown at middle right and lower left. Just as with the one circled by Techdude, these are also eight pairs of pixels which are aligned vertically and confined within an 8 pixel by 8 pixel JPEG cell.
There’s absolutely nothing that particularly distinguishes those those from the one he calls attention to. Yet he doesn’t make note of either of them, even though they’re clearly visible and in very close proximity to the one he does make note of.
The only thing that really distinguishes those other two from the one he’s labeled is that their location is not where he needs them to be in order to support his claim. So he simply excludes them them and makes no note of them to the reader.
Next he says “On the far right side towards the top of the border you will see a stray red pixel just outside of the border towards the edge of the paper. Circle that one too.”
Ok, that little dot is a remnant as well apparently. But what particularly distinguishes that dot from all of the other little dots to be found in the image?
I went through the image and circled all the little dots I could find. I also circled a few other little weirdities, but it’s pretty much all dots.
obamameasles.jpg
You can see why I gave the file the name that I did. It’s littered with little dots. Even in areas where there would never have been any printing on the document that Techdude claims was used for the claimed forgery.
So why did Techdude make note of the one little dot in the upper right corner and not any of the dozens of other little dots littered throughout the image? For the same reason he never made not of the other small vertical lines. They’re not where he needs them to be to in order to support his claim.
Bottom line, the image is littered with the very same “flaws” Techdude uses to support his claim. The only way he could have come up with the 100 that he mapped to “prove” his claim would have been to cherry pick those 100 to the exclusion of all the others.
se
se,
TD and td are trying to solve a mystery that intrigues them and I applaud them for their work, notably because of my concerns about Obama. I respect that they are exercising their rights and responsibilities as citizens to uncover the truth. I respect your skepticism, inasmuch as it strengthens the quest for truth.
I critique Obama where he raises questions for me. In some cases, my critique may be flawed. Sometimes TD and td’s critique may contain flaws. Whatever flaws our work may contain, they are small in comparison to the character flaw we would suffer if we did not do our work.
SM
Andy wrote:
The only way to PROVE it is for Senator Obama to release his ORIGINAL COLB. It is that easy.
Do you have it?
If you do not then you have NO proof the one at Kos is FALSE.
I don’t recall having made any claim as to the Kos image. What are you talking about?
se
athy wrote:
Ok…I’ll bite.
Where is Sen Obama’s original birth certificate.
Beats me.
why is he not releasing other information-including medical,academic,financial records that the public needs to review?
No idea.
Please provide explanation.
I haven’t any. I was simply addressing the fabrication of Techdude’s analysis.
se
A “fabrication” based on a fabrication. No quite the change any of us thought we could believe in is it?
Michelle-
No, its not ridiculous at all to ask for a peer review.
While we are at it, as an astute blogger mentioned…we need to ask Sen Obama for the following too:
ALL School records
Campaign Financial Records
Actual medical records – not some bullshit summary -
including birth hospital records and any other hospital stays
A Certified Copy of Original Birth certificate and all Adoption paperwork and name changes
Any Harvard Law Review articles that were published
Any University of Chicago scholarly articles
Cases filed, tried or settled
Baptismal Certificate
Criminal History Record
All Passports Ever Used
Do we have to go back to law school days? Wouldn’t Obama have to give a COLB to our individual state parties before his name could be placed on the ballots? The FEC? SS? It had to be produced this election cycle! The fraud has made this a big issue for me. Hillary was robbed, but this goes further.
“The X-Files: I Want To Believe”
starring Techdude and TexasDarlin
Ha ha . . . no, seriously, I really DO want to believe, but . . .
. . . where’s the damn image?
Joseph Cannon tried (see his site) with no success.
A poster here known only as “Ray” has asked to see the original COLB showing sister’s name. I don’t know if he’s a BO troll or not, don’t care . . . but he does ask a valid question, does he not?
Nobody’s going to believe us unless we post an image. I’m not discussing this with friends nor spreading the gospel until then.
Hurry . . . time’s a’wastin’
Who on earth is Cannon and why would I care? Other people could; see TD blog. Maybe Cannon is just not good enough…!
And one more thing moron: if you want to see Maya Soetero’s original COLB it is DKos the one who you should ask !!
Are you mentally challenged? Or are you soo poor at reading and comprehension?
Man… no wonder Obama duped y’all …
[...] “Why Is Maya Soetoro’s Name on Barack’s Phony Certificate of Live Birth?” [...]
Clinton Fan wrote:
Ray, I don’t think that is what is being suggested.
Go back and read what was written. The clues come from the coverup, not the elimination.
The claim of TechDUD very clear. A vague outline of Obama’s sister’s name can be seen in his COLB.
It cannot be seen and will never be seen because it is impossible.
To dream the the “it is impossible” dream ….
Ray again you say it is impossible. So is being two places at once when your not any where at all.
Many things are impossible only because the enters in to the world of unknown unknowns…
They used to say breaking the sound barrier was “impossible” then it was Mach 2 ,3 ,4 …you get my drift?
Many people thought it was impossible to have the US Constitution shredded and if BO gets elected sent forever to the compost.
Impossibilities exist only for a want of imagination ,creativity and persistence.
Andy wrote:
“Who on earth is Cannon and why would I care? Other people could; see TD blog. Maybe Cannon is just not good enough…!”
Another person LIED about seeing it.
Why do you think no one posts the AMAZING proof?
They haven’t GOT any proof.
As we speak, a mutiny is underway at the Texasdarlin blog. I would expect it to close down soon when more people find out that they have been conned.
My guess Ray is no one can replicate it because it’s all bullshit.
But we’ll see. If TD is right I will be the first to demand Obama turn himself into the FBI for defrauding the American people.
But I’ve been waiting for actual evidence and all I get are insults hurled at me by the crazies on here for daring to question the fact there is no INDEPENDENT, VERIFIBLE PROOF.
but you see, the thing is, in the end, regardless of any evidense, LOL you’ll still come here and defend BOBO
Even if this piece of data is false, it does not undermine the argument for voting for against Obama, given the underdetermination of theory by logic. It is merely one piece of data within a massive network with many redundancies.
oops – should be “argument for voting against Obama”
I will be the first to demand Obama turn himself into the FBI for defrauding the American people.
Sorry, that line is gettin’ longer by the minute, you need to take a number. I would never presume to tell anyone to “fallin line”.
What in your view is “INDEPENDENT, VERIFIBLE PROOF.” ??? Would you actually trust a news report from MSNBC or CNN ??? Just curious.
Have you attempted this yourself?
Francis and Ray: you are really dense…really I mean.
There is only ONE question here and that is: why hasn’t Barack Obama released his original COLB?
Why is he insulting the American people by putting out an image on a website through his surrogates (DKos) ???
SENATOR OBAMA SHOULD RELEASE HIS ORIGINAL COLB. PERIOD.
NOW YOU TWO GET LOST; WE APPRECIATE THE TRAFFIC AND KEEPING NQ HITS GORWING (THANK YOU !!) BUT YOU ARE SO SO SO BORING AND DENSE THAT’S ENOUGH ALREADY.
“GROWING” (CORRECTION)
I am a chemist by training, and happen to have some experience in research and development in both the corporate and academic settings. If you truly want to prove this is real, here’s what you need to do.
Step 1: Do your research (which you’ve already done)
Step 2: Send your research (with all methods and findings in detail) to 20 or more of your peers to review and duplicate.
Step 3: If they are able to duplicate your findings, send results to experts in academic and governmental agencies. I’m sure the FBI’s got some guys who would be very interested in your findings.
Step 4: If they are able to verify and duplicate your results, THEN GO PUBLIC.
The work of Tech-dude and Texas Darlin has been thorough, but not academically honest. They are trying to fit the facts to suit their conclusion. In science, you have to go where the facts take you.
For example, say you found a compound that cures one lab rat of brain cancer. Do we then start injecting every human being with brain cancer with this compound? Of course not. It has to be peer reviewed and the results duplicated many, many times before we can even think about human trials.
I am not an expert on forged documents. But neither is Larry Johnson. Neither is Texas Darlin by her own admission. Tech-dude says he is, but I only have his word to vouch for it. You gotta do it the right way.
Bottom Line: Get this verified by an independent, recognized expert in the field. I have already posted several links to the professor at Dartmouth who is the preeminent expert on forged digital documents. Contact him.
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/bio.html
Time to put up or shut up, No Quarter! The clock is ticking…20 days until Denver.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha you’re a chemist? Why am I not surprised you are here trying to debunk something that has little to do with chemistry?
I’m not a forgery expert. And neither is anyone else on here either.
But I do know something about the scientific method and good research technique, both of which are sorely lacking in Techdude’s “analysis”.
If you go on Texas Darlins blog there are posters who claim to have used TechDudes technique and found the name Maya Kassandra Soetoro prior to it being released by TechDude. It seems your argument only focuses on the credentials of those finding the name. The ultimate credential of course is BOBO’s certified birth certificate.
What is so difficult about getting others to verify your results?
And no, other bloggers don’t count! Experts who are willing to stand up and put their professional reputations on the line. Or at least someone who will reveal themselves to an MSM reporter.
If Techdude’s findings are so solid, this should be a slam dunk! This is potentially the biggest political story since Watergate. No really.
You’re telling me in a country full of Paris Hilton “I want my 15 minutes of fame” wanna-be journalists, nobody is willing to get out in front of this?
Come on…your country is depending on you. Hillary is depending on you. Don’t let us down!
LOL I didn’t say it was difficult for others to verify TechDudes work. A few mere mortals already have. That seems to bother you enough to raise the bar all the way up to independent recognized experts in the field before you’ll consider the veracity of the claim. Yet, (drum roll please) you still don’t make that same demand of BOBO to release his own certified Birth Certificate. ROFLMAO it seems your standards are like BOBO’s policies….for the moment.
WildChild writes:
LOL I didn’t say it was difficult for others to verify TechDudes work. A few mere mortals already have.
Well, they claim to have. But so far, no one has actually shown anything, including Techdude. There has been nothing offered to illustrate clearly and unambiguously just what it is they’re looking at which they’re interpreting and subsequently claiming to be remnants of the original printing.
se
Actually there was a guy on texas darlins site that linked to a photobucket with shots of what he had done…prior to the name being released. LOL still waiting on BOBO’s certified birth certificate though.
Actually there was a guy on texas darlins site that linked to a photobucket with shots of what he had done…prior to the name being released.
Care to provide a link for that? Only links to PhotoBucket I see are from Polarik, which has nothing to do with any hidden text.
se
Yeah, you go on texas darlins site. You click on yesterdays topic (which in this case would the discussion of the TechDudes findings prename release) and then you scroll down in the comments section until you find the guy that posted the photobucket link. That’s what I did yesterday evening. A smart guy like you should be able to reproduce my work right? LOL or do we need to bring in an expert to hold your hand for you.?
Obama’s story hasn’t changed. He said this was his COLB. No once. Never.
The only story that’s changed is on NQ with your half baked theories and distortions. You’va all totally confused yourselves and are not sure which way is up.
Just come up with some experts to verify your results Techdude. Ray, Believe, Ted, me and everyone else skeptical about your claims will eat shit. It’s not that difficult, really.
What is curious is you DON”T WANT to be 100% sure about this. Now that LJ’s put his name on another crackpot theory, the credibility of the entire website and its contributors are at stake.
Good Luck!
LOL I wish I could get video of you flopping around on the dock. But I guess I’ll just have to be satisfied with the cyberspace approximation of it on this blog. Here we have you taking BOBO’s word on a scan of an uncertified COLB yet demanding “experts” when that same scan of the same uncertified COLB has been picked apart by people who happened to find a few things you don’t like because they make BOBO look bad. My suggestion is to pick your standard. Either we get certification on everything or we just take people words for it. But it has to be consistent from beginning to end.
I’m surprised they didn’t teach you that in scientific method class.
Francis,
YOUR CLAIM that the credibility of the entire site is at risk IS FALSE, for the same reasons as noted above. Given the underdetermination of theory by logic, we start by noting that the structure of ideas that holds this site together is internally complex. Given the theory and the structure of the site we note that if one idea turns out to be wrong, this does not discount the validity or integrity of the other ideas or the theories that rise from these ideas. Therefore, the credibility of the entire site and its contributors is NOT at stake.
It is true that some skepticism might occur due to the falsification of one idea, however, doubt is not falsification: doubt is the itch that leads people to question. It leads TD and td to question the authenticity of the birth certificate. It leads Ray and you to question their work.
On another note, I find it bizarre that someone who claims to be a scientist would make the grossly absolutist statement that the credibility of everyone who contributes here is at risk. Ray and you contribute here and you doubt the validity of td’s work. If we follow your logic, both of you will lose credibility, if you are right that td is wrong. Did you not study logic while you were becoming a chemist?
SM
Idiot Obamabots — on the Obama website
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Obama has posted “his” birth certificate — which has not been proven to be a fraud. It is his sister’s birth certificate.
TechDude outlined the details of his research and this information has been verified. Go back and re-read all relevant articles on TexasDarlin — listed to the right on her blog.
Obama birth certificate is a fraud. He is a fraud.
Obamabots OWN your candidate — the fraud candidate.
PUMA
And neither is anyone else on here either.
All due respect Francis, you have made a statement that is not following the scientific method you propound. You have absolutley no way to tell that I am not a forgery expert!
I had BO pegged for a forgery in a NY second, all else that flows from him is a fraud as well. What can I say? Some people have bullshit meters that work and some people don’t. Stick to chemistry.
WTF are you talking about?
I think Francis lets his emotions carry him away. Not good for a chemist.
Not so fast jackass.
Speak for yourself only and even then again don’t.
If it was intended to defraud – it’s a forgery.
Quit pulling stuff out of your ass.
Could you pass the proof, please?
You wouldn’t know proof if it was tattooed to your pin-like forehead.
You want the 100-proof or the 151? Oh, and you need to finish your bot duties before you start drinking again.
Francis, I happen to be a chemist and I find Techdude’s analysis fairly straightforward, with details thrown in as evidence. If you truly knew anything about scientific technique, you would not try to place rules involving chemistry on digital graphic analysis. In addition, you would not cloud this inquiry with your obviously slanted political views. Analysis of digitial images and chemistry are entirely two separate fields of endeavor, with little in common from a strictly analytical point of view. Further, as I recall, Techdude was to have his work looked at as a sort of peer review. Until that happens, anything you spout is just so much rubbish.
What evidence do you have that no one here is a forgery expert. That is supposition. When you assume, Goob, you mainly make an ass out of yourself.
Francis you are a liar — nothing you write is believable.
Go away — stupid Obamabot.
You are attempting to change the subject.
Obama posted a birth certificate on the official Obama webite (paid for by ObamaforAmerica) which he claims to be Obama’s birth certificate.
The birth certificate has been shown to be his sister’s BC.
It does not matter what you claim your “degree” is in. A high school student with time and the ability to use computers and software can follow the logical process used by Techdude.
Bottom line — Obama has posted a proven phony BC on his official website.
Obama is a liar.
PUMA
WildChild wrote:
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha you’re a chemist? Why am I not surprised you are here trying to debunk something that has little to do with chemistry?
This will be news for you but the chemist is a scientist.
Ray
Exactly, they are scientists who specialize in chemicals. LOL I’ll give you a couple of hours to ponder the significance of that as it might relate to our topic of discussion.
As a Chemist, I resent trolls claiming to be “chemists in training”. There is no such thing. To be a chemist you must get a degree in Chemistry and voila, you are a chemist. The training is college courses out the yin-yang.
Francis the
Talking MuleChemist in Training is an idiot.Maybe the ‘chemists in training’ are referring to the meth labs they run. lol
Francis does appear to a bit wired, huh?
Well now hang on…they make narcotics in labs using chemical processes…and hopium is clearly a narcotic…and if you smoke the hopium and pass the hopium around and spend your time refining the hopium…that would techincally qualify you as a chemist in training …. no?
ROFL. I’d have to say I stand corrected.
WildChild wrote:
Exactly, they are scientists who specialize in chemicals. LOL I’ll give you a couple of hours to ponder the significance of that as it might relate to our topic of discussion.
You’ll be sent to your room if you give any more cheek.
Scientists use the same honest bean-counting method to answer virtually any question. They actually MAKE it – unlike yourself who merely FAKES it.
“Fake it till you make it” is BO’s gig
not Wildchild’s.
Ah, so you can ponder. (or is mom feeding you the lines ?) LOL then maybe you can explain the “Scientist” in question demanding peer review of TechDudes findings but then just excepting BOBO’s word on the authenticity of his uncertified COLB.
They use no such thing, asshat. Bean-counting is for pseudo-scientists like CPAs and dead-enders like you. Observation is part of the inductive process, which is central to science.
You need to bone up on philosophy while you’re at it.
Dear Ferdberfle,
Thank you for invigorating the discussion. To what extent have your perturbances of Francis yielded predictable responses?
Yours,
SM
Using the scientific method, and a little six-sigma thrown in for good measure, I’d say that he is right about now apoplectic. He got the Fickle Finger of Fate award for his foolishness.
Yours in science and troll-baiting
ferd, neighbor of Markle Farkle
RAY: YOU ARE A MORON. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A SCIENTIFIC PAPER. THIS IS POLITICS AND THE QUALIFICATIONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION TO BE POTUS.
YOU KNOW IT. SO STOP WITH ALL YOUR NONSENSE.
THERE ONLY ONE THING WE ALL WANT : BARACK OBAMA’S ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SEE IT AND HE HAS A DUTY TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE. THE ONE, THE PAPER NOT SOME INSULTING IMAGE DELIVERED VIA HIS SURROGATE BLOG DKOS.
ENOUGH NONSENSE.
NOW, IF YOU CAN PRODUCE IT GREAT. IF NOT GET OUT OF HERE AND LIVE WITH YOUR CREDULITY ALL BY YOURSELF.
Ray –
You and your other name Francis have clearly never handled forgeries.
You don’t reproduce forgeries to prove them.
You reveal them.
Which in this case Techdude, an expert in the field, has done.
The original – a document in this instance – has been altered with the intent to defraud.
In most states a forgery offense is a felony punishable by a term of imprisonment.
Often forgeries are writings such as checks, but they can be things like paintings.
Demand that Oblowme:
Produces his Birth Certificate NOW!
Produces his birth hospital records NOW!
Just Say No to Fraud!
WHAT IS OBLOWME HIDING?!!!
Maybe you should send this to Nader.. He’s the other Democrat running,Maybe he’d do something, or say something, since his career is in question.
Has this been litigated in any fashion yet? Couldn’t the Clinton campaign itself challenge Obama’s nomination in Denver on the basis of his lack of qualifications?
WildChild wrote:
Yeah, you go on texas darlins site. You click on yesterdays topic (which in this case would the discussion of the TechDudes findings prename release) and then you scroll down in the comments section until you find the guy that posted the photobucket link.
You must mean some other texas darlins site. I went through the comments on both of yesterday’s topics and today’s topic and there are no PhotoBucket links. The only PhotoBucket lines are the ones from August 3rd, by Polarik, which again haven’t anything to do with hidden letters.
se
Please accept my apology for the snark. The link was pulled from the comments section.
Did I hear Obambi was going to Hawaii? Perhaps on the BC matter. And if so, is it to reinvent himself again?
Thanks Texas and Techdude!
Think Oprah still thinks he’s so great after this, or is she in on the scam? Where DID she get her gazillions that she gave him and are all the liberals like her (and Ayers plus others) here and abroad trying to defeat the US from within?
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You know, no one got outraged when there was a demand to have Senator McCain’s birth certificate authenticated/ or I should say his birth records checked. And… he didn’t need to post it on his website, that I know of. It seems to me if all were in order as it is suppose to be, then why the posted copy, it seems a bit of overkill. I never felt the need to defend Senator McCain’s citizenship, I knew him to be legitimate, perhaps all this outrage over the need to check into Obama’s birth certificate is because his supporters, aren’t so sure themselves.
Agreed!!
Katmoon wrote:
You know, no one got outraged when there was a demand to have Senator McCain’s birth certificate authenticated/ or I should say his birth records checked. And… he didn’t need to post it on his website, that I know of. It seems to me if all were in order as it is suppose to be, then why the posted copy, it seems a bit of overkill.
I don’t know that that’s a fair comparison.
I don’t recall people claiming that McCain was not born in the Canal Zone the way people were claiming that Obama was not born in Hawaii. And given that the claims he wasn’t born in Hawaii were spread all over the Internet, it doesn’t seem unreasonable to post an image of it on a website intended to address the various claims that had been spread around (such as being sworn in on the Koran, etc.)
Who exactly was demanding that McCain have his birth certificate authenticated? I don’t recall there being any question as to where he was born that there would be any need for such a demand.
I do however recall arguments that his being born in the Canal Zone put him in something of a gray area with respect to citizenship. And that it was enough of a gray area that Congress passed a resolution specifically to clear it up.
se
On the contrary, it is a fair comparison. You are selective in your indignation and it shows every time you post. If McCain is fair game and has to prove something to YOU, then turnabout is fair play. Oops, fair is not in a talking-mule obamatron’s vocabulary.
Now for the upshot: Techdude did a good job in presenting his observations, which led him to the conclusion that it was a forgery. You on the other hand, just spout a lot of hot gas, which you think passes as critical thought. It does not. You need to identify those areas where YOU THINK he is wrong and then present YOUR EVIDENCE to prove him wrong. BTW: Your emotional outbursts will be your undoing, bot.
Techdude did a good job in presenting his observations, which led him to the conclusion that it was a forgery.
He didn’t. He (once again) did a shocking job. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have any sort of “outline” around text in a JPG that could be used to “see” previous text.
Ray
And your qualifications to make such a general (deductive) statement are? You know, all I need is one instance where what you say is incorrect and you become just another bot trying to make a living off poking PUMAs.
Go away, obamatron.
Ray/Francis –
STFU!
You’re an idiot and you have no clue what you’re talking about.
JPG means it’s a picture file.
JPG means it’s a picture file.
And JPG’s of COLB’s contain text – which cannot have outlines around them for deleted text to be detected at a later stage.
Yes, it can. JPG’s frequently contain text. They are picture files, but they are pictures of things containing text.
You can alter the document, as was done in this case.
I have done this myself on numerous occasions.
I bet that you don’t have a clue about the forensics of Word docs either.
This isn’t difficult stuff here, but it’s obviously way over your head.
It’s clear that you have never made movies and that you don’t know what you are talking about in any event.
Who are you talking to?
If i want my birth certificate, I go to the record keeper in the county where I was born in Ohio. I give them money and they give me a certified copy. I just don’t understand all of this.
Ferdberfle wrote:
On the contrary, it is a fair comparison.
I disagree.
The original poster was saying that John McCain didn’t put a copy of his birth certificate up on his website, and that based on that, they thought Obama putting one up on his website was overkill.
I don’t see that as a fair comparison as no one was claiming McCain wasn’t born in the Canal Zone as people were claiming Obama wasn’t born in Hawaii and I don’t see it as unreasonable that he should.
If you can’t make out the distinction here, then I guess there’s not much more I can say.
You are selective in your indignation and it shows every time you post.
I have no idea what indignation you’re talking about here. I simply gave my opinion that I didn’t think it was a fair comparison. No indignation. Just an opinion.
If McCain is fair game and has to prove something to YOU, then turnabout is fair play.
You obviously have me confused me with some other “YOU.” I’ve never said McAin has had to prove anything to me. So where this comes from I’ve no idea.
Now for the upshot: Techdude did a good job in presenting his observations, which led him to the conclusion that it was a forgery.
Well, he certainly did a good job with respect to presenting what he wanted to present. Much like a prosecutor that only presents the evidence they want to present while concealing exculpatory evidence.
You on the other hand, just spout a lot of hot gas, which you think passes as critical thought. It does not. You need to identify those areas where YOU THINK he is wrong and then present YOUR EVIDENCE to prove him wrong.
I’ve already presented the evidence that he cherry picked his “flaws.”
BTW: Your emotional outbursts will be your undoing, bot.
Emotional outbursts? The only emotional outbursts I see are the ones coming from your ad hominem attacks.
se
Your knowledge of science could be placed on the head of a pin leaving plenty of room for a group of dancing angels.
You are putting your emotions into this because you are a bot. Techdude did an adequate job of explaining what he found and where. If you have a problem, dipshit, you need to be very specific and state what the problem is. But you won’t, since your problem apparently consists of nothing more than a deeply rooted, compulsive adoration of the Anointed One. I suggest you go to another board where you and your fellow obamatrons can entertain each other. Or better yet, get some counseling, you are functionally brainwashed, as far as I’m concerned.
in Maine people wrote in a person’s name and they won the election for Mayor…
is this possible with a national election? I think this may be a way out of the OB mess and regain our government…
We the People of … ?
we can lose it
Osama Nobama, is nothing but another corrupt Chicago hack. his Syrian Master / slumlord felon resko gives him the orders and the muslim scum obeys…his prisonn drag queen wife, this getto howling welfare queen, food stamp cheating tramp needs a new pimp.
TECHDUDE wrote on the Texasdarlin blog a
few minutes ago, in relation to his phony
assessment of Obama’s COLB and his inability
to supply any convincing evidence to support it:
“I just do not care as much about
this issue nor do I think it is as
ground breaking or important as you do.
It’s all over bar the shouting.
Techdude is, like I said – a fraud.
Ray
I’m guessing you were too stupid to follow TechDude’s instructions and prove it yourself.
It’s not POSSIBLE to prove what Techdud was saying because, as I said before, there IS no outline on text. There are only a limited number of artifacts surrounding text in a coloured checkerboard pattern that either:
(a) Disappear entirely when the text is covered with the background pattern, or
(b) Get totally mixed with with new artifacts when the replacement text is saved as a JPG.
Techdud was lying or deluded.
Um Dude, about a half dozen bloggers here have done it and posted their results…Read through all the comments and you’ll see.
No one has posted any images. They have only talked about their wild imaginings.
Ooookay. Sure….whatever you say…I didn’t actually see what I saw either…man, it’s like arguing with a ten year old.
TechDUD said Obama’s sister’s name could be vaguely seen on his COLB but he is “too busy” to show anyone the image. His cohort who ALSO claims to have seen the name HAS an image but is too cl00less to upload it for anyone to see. Got the picture now?
TechDude said he would post his findings in a few days. LOL all this waiting is killing you isn’t it?
No, he won’t be posting any images with Obama’s sister’s name faintly visible because he hasn’t got one and he never will have one. It is all a “non-issue” for the TechDUD now. It’s all over folks.
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“[TECHDUD]: So you have to excuse me if I feel this non-issue is not worth my full time attention when there are real people with real life issues that have to be addressed first.
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If TechDude doesn’t post in few days like he said he would, then we’ll deal with that. But the comment of his that you keep clinging to doesn’t in anyway suggest he’s not go post his findings in few days like he said he would. Until then, you’re just going to have to wait. LOL though I’m guessing it won’t be quietly.
While the Western hemisphere PLUS the Eastern hemisphere wait on Techdud’s final-final-final report, he has this to say about producing the evidence on the TD blog:
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“So you have to excuse me if I feel this
non-issue is not worth my full time attention
when there are real people with real life
issues that have to be addressed first.
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Is that as good as it will get – or will
TechDUD say he was badly mistaken all along?
Ray
In otherwords, he has a day job and needs to pay the bills…he’s not being paid to prove Barky is a crook and a liar. He’s being a good American.
No, in other words he is backpedaling as fast as he
can.
THERE WAS NO FORGERY
Keep telling yourself that, we know what we saw. And we pity you, laughing at you as well, but we do pity you.
Let me get this straight. You KNOW what you saw but you don’t have a link for the image? It was with your homework when the dog ate it – right?
I’ll vouch for strawberry. One guy posted a link with his results in the comments on Texas Darlins site the night before the name was released. That post was pulled. But prior to it being pulled and prior to the name being released, it showed the name Maya Kassandra Soetoro. It it wasn’t for real, it was sure one hell of a guess.
We still need an image – and no one will (or can) produce such an image.
But people can, because they have. It seems you’re just going to have to wait for TechDude to post his findings in a few days, like he said he would.
But people can, because they have. It seems you’re just going to have to wait for TechDude to post his findings in a few days, like he said he would.
No, they cannot. I’d suggest you save this thread as text and read it after the image fails to materialize.
TechDUD could have uploaded the image in less than 5 minutes if he had one. All he is uploading now is excuses.
Well, LOL, they can, because they did. Doing is generally the thing that supports the premise of ability. Had somebody not posted their findings based on TechDudes instructions and had those findings not shown the name Maya Kassandra Soetoro prior to the name being released, I’d have a tendency to agree with you. But they did…so I don’t.
Raymondo,
I was bored today so I read all your arguments in the faint hope that you might have a “celestial light orgasm” and figure out the simple fact that there has been no presentation to date of an original COLB to an independent verification group.
What you and all the rest of your associates who got the “Answers from Barry” e-mail from Troll University have missed is that you are arguing about the DEGREE of forgery, not its presence.
And yes, you f**king moron, it is possible to detect obliterated letters because the obliteration itself creates an artifact. Whatever you fill with becomes detectable due to its repetition in the document.
You look for similarities in the areas where there are no letters and by doing so are shown what is replaced.
This is the part you’ve misunderstood “from the very start.”
So, now that all the polite stuff is out of the way…
Go F**k Yourself
“it is possible to detect obliterated letters because the obliteration itself creates an artifact.”
No one can “see” obliterated letters in a COLB when the background is pasted over them.
And how would you know, Carnac? Reading your ass-hairs?
Fb,
Ray is a visitor from the self-described, “antiPUMA” site named “yes to democracy.” I think it is neighborly to share the courtesy and visit them.
http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/08/obamas-birth–3.html
Steven
That place is a joke. Isn’t it owned by some looney chick? She claimed PUMA hacked her petition or something utterly stupid but in the same breath claims PUMA is nothing but a hoax.
That is one weird website.
“De·lu·sion: a: something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated, b: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also, the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.”
Reference: merriam-webster dictionary
Told ya…it’s like looking at reality through fun house mirrors. But the weird thing is how much money is put into it without any ads on the site. Hmmmmmmmmm.
Yes, TechDUD’s imagined forgery is now a non-issue.
He only wants to talk about REAL people, instead of his IMAGINARY people who go around forging COLB’s.
whatever the obama campaign pays you is way too much. go back and get new talking points.
WildChild wrote:
“If TechDude doesn’t post in few days like he said he would, then we’ll deal with that. But the comment of his that you keep clinging to doesn’t in anyway suggest he’s not go post his findings in few days like he said he would. Until then, you’re just going to have to wait. LOL though I’m guessing it won’t be quietly.”
He won’t be posting any images in the next 24 hours because he want to have an argument with Dr. Neal Krawetz who has been demolishing his findings for weeks.
see, LOL you just showed your hand. You can’t demolish findings that haven’t been posted now can you? It’s one of those simple truths of life.
Dr. Neal Krawetz and others have demolished everything TechDUD has said up until this latest flakey “invisible ink” claim.
Neal Krazvitz also called Texas Darlin An anonymous racist who goes by the nickname “Texas Darlin”. That’s awfully loaded language for a guy who you seem to expect us to take at his word on his own professional objectivity.
“Neal Krazvitz also called Texas Darlin An anonymous [.....]“
Yeah, she’s pretty bad alright. I suppose he couldn’t help but notice it.
you’re going to have to quote something racist that Texas Darlin said.
Ray,
Actually, Dr. Krawetz said he did not know the identity of Texas Darlin, but he provided some names, such as Susan and Harriet Christian. Note, Krawetz claims an anonymous person is a racist, simply because that person questions the authenticity of Obama’s COLB.
Because questioning the authenticity of a birth certificate is not equivalent to being a racist; and Dr. Krawetz does not know the identity of TD; and Dr. Krawetz offers no evidence that suggests the anonymous person is a racist, therefore, Dr. Krawetz, through his claim, demonstrates that he lacks either moral or intellectual integrity or both. It is unsurprising that yet another Obama supporter taints the discussion with an unsupported allegation of racism.
Who is in the sewer, Ray? PUMA or Krawetz?
Dr. Krawetz should stick to his technical expertise when making assessments because it clear he lacks the moral and intellectual authority to make accurate judgments about the character of others.
SM
If you had a brain, bot, you’d play with it. You really need to get out of that crying room in your Mommy’s basement once in a while.
WildChild wrote:
“If TechDude doesn’t post in few days like he said he would, then we’ll deal with that.”
I suppose you realise that TechDUD has already issued 3 “final reports” in the last month or so, and none of them have revealed anything of substance.
The final-final-final-final report will be no different to any of the others — IF he has time to write it
Like I said before, if that’s what happens then we’ll deal with that when it does. But until it does, (Lmao) you’re just going crazy. You should change your diaper or get yourself a new juice box of something. LOL anything to break up the monotony of your life.
Hey I’m in no hurry. I’m enjoying watching the clock ticking over. I’m enjoying watching Techdude’s chief sponsor Pam Geller saying nothing on her own blog. That’s why I’m here – the rest of the crew has deserted Techdud. Soon it’ll be just you and me
We’re all waiting for the guy to post his findings. LOL but for your ranting and raving we’d be discussing other topics until then.
Let’s discuss the possibilities if TechDUD is is exposed as a fraud without the qualifications he claims.
well, LOL expose him. But then…. you can;t produce fifteen examples to support your alleged allegation that Texas Darlin is a racist Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
Note, Krawetz claims an anonymous person is a racist, simply because that person questions the authenticity of Obama’s COLB.
Is that the only reason? I had about 15 reasons from about 70 different posts.
we welcome you to post 15 examples of Texas Darlins alleged racism. LOL or post 70 examples.
Ray,
Please keep to my points on the Krawetz “findings” that you directed me to. I am assessing his claims, not yours.
SM
Nah Ray made his bed. Let him lie in it for awhile. That little BOBOweenie has been ranting and raving for a couple days now demanding proof to support allegations against his precious. But Ray just made an allegation about Texas Darlin. Let him produce his fifteen example as proof.
Nah Ray made his bed. Let him lie in it for awhile. That little BOBOweenie has been ranting and raving for a couple days now demanding proof to support allegations against his precious. But Ray just made an allegation about Texas Darlin. Let him produce his fifteen example as proof.
Just dive into TD’s blog and start reading.
LMAO .I didn’t think you could produce 15. You’re just another bullshit dude supporting the Bullshit BOBO
How is asking questions about a birth certificate of a person running for the highest office in the world, racist?
It is a citizen of the U.S. right to ask if the person running for president is qualified.
The “racist” term is just a ’smear’, to borrow the Obama mantra, on anyone who quesitons Barack Obama.
How is asking questions about a birth certificate of a person running for the highest office in the world, racist?
It’s not. You apparently believed the poster who made that false allegation.
It is a citizen of the U.S. right to ask if the person running for president is qualified.
Yes they have a right to ask, and where statute law provides for answers to be given, they must be, but they have no right to receive ANY sort of answer from individuals or their representatives about any other matter.
It’s beginning to look like Techdude has decided to leave TexasDarlin and all the other blogs that carried his Maya story twisting in the wind.
He’s been found to have contradicted himself not once, but twice.
Perhaps he’s decided to cut his losses an return to the shadows.
se
It’s just as well he didn’t go along with the Pay Pal idea that was mentioned on the TD blog. If he had accepted donations while people thought he really WAS an expert, and actually held the credentials he claimed, he would have been committing another type of fraud.
Okay everyone, I am NOT Racist! I don’t care if the candidate is black, white, green or purple-Republican, Democrat, Independent, Greenpeace or Snoopy! What I do care about is the Constitution of the United States, which states in plain terms that a candidate for the Presidency or Vice Presidency must be born on American soil. This was specifically set up to impede foreign interests from obtaining control of the Presidency. Considering Senator Obama’s heritage and schooling oversea’s;questioning his legitimate birth is reasonable. After researching the internet for 20 minutes, I’ve obtained a internet signed copy of Senator Obama’s Vancouver, Canada birth certificate http:www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm. Obtaining verification of authenticity shouldn’t be difficult. If this is accurate, he is a citizen of Canada-ineligble for the presidency, with an American mother
Additionally, what everyone fails to realize, is Senator Obama was not born in the hospitals in Hawaii. His birth was just registered at two hospitals. Why? Because during the 1960’s Hawaii was much more liberal than the State of Washingon, Oregon or California, which would have required an attending physician or midwife to sign off on the birth. The Vancouver, Canada birth certificate signed by attending physicians should be easy to verify http:www.rense.com/general82/pbb.htm
Senator Obama was born in Canada and his mother and grandparents attempted to legitimize his American birth by registering him in Hawaii. If this is accurate-Senator Obama is Canadian born to an American mother and ineligible for the Presidency.
Dear American People,
Hello. I will not be giving you my real information, as it needs to remain secret – at least until after our plan is enacted. I am a Top Executive at the Democratic National Committee. I can tell you this. What you have have been suspecting is true – Barack Obama was not actually born in Hawaii. The document that we have provided him to show as his birth certificate is not authentic; it was created in our experimental laboratories at the DNC’s World Headquarters in Saudi Arabia. This experimental lab – and, this may be quite shocking – this lab is where Barack Obama himself was also created, almost 48 years ago, as part of PROJECT FLAGBURN.
Yes, we had been trying for years, using the latest technology, to create the perfect candidate to enforce our liberal agenda. In the fall of 1960, we were finally successful, in our ninth try, in using recombinant DNA and artificial insemination to inject our carefully-crafted genetic material into an electronic womb (by bubbling Argon gas through radioactive stem cells). As the BARACK9 grew, we fed it nutrients infused with “Memory Cells” culled from the brainstems of famous left-wingers such as Adlai Stevenson, Bertrand Russell, and Ambrose Bierce – guaranteed to transmit our policies and doctrines into its growing brain. We radioactively stimulated the liberal centers of the brain and implanted radio-controlled microchips into its cerebellum.
Here at the DNC, we detest nationalism, pride, the Christian religion, and our troops. We have decided that a hybrid of Communism and Islam would be a much better system for our country. As BARACK9 grew up, we taught it to have these values as well. When the time was right, we entered it into politics, controlling its brain with our “Brain-Control Device”. We also were responsible for 9/11, the financial crisis, and other key events to ensure that George Bush has a low approval rating. Now, the time has come. Soon BARACK9 will be voted in as the head of the most powerful country on earth. You will soon have a President named Barack Hussein Obama, and there is nothing you can do to stop it. As his first act, Barack Obama will issue the following executive orders:
1. All flags will be replaced with pictures of Barack Obama’s face
2. All personal property and land of registered Republicans will be forfeit to the state
3. All churches, pictures of Jesus Christ, and religious iconography will be destroyed immediately. All mentions of the Christian religion will be punished by death
4. Everybody must wear a turban at all times and pray to Mecca 12 times a day
5. Arabic will now be the official United States language
6. The country will be renamed to The Islamic Communist Republic of Ameristan
7. All white people must issue public apologies to minorities for former misdeeds of their race. The jobs and money of Whites will be offered to blacks, muslims, and atheists as punishment.
8. White women will be offered as brides to black muslim men who get first priority of choosing up to ten wives. Whites will be put into forced labor camps for one year to show them what slavery was like
9. All heterosexuals must issue public apologies to gays and lesbians. In order to increase sensitivity to homosexual issues, they will be incarcerated for one month with a homosexual member of the same sex who is allowed to use them as seen fit.
10. Republicans will be branded with a R on their forehead and must kiss the buttocks of a liberal whenever requested to do so
I am only divulging this because there is nothing which can be done about it at this point. We initially saw Sarah Palin as an immense threat to our cause, but we have launched a huge and successful disinformational smear campaign against her which has neutralized her influences.
Prepare for your new leadership to begin on January 20!
DNC Top Executive “John”
The allegations made in this blog are, honestly, completely irrelevant without accompanying physical evidence to ascertain their validity.
In the United States a defendant is innocent until proven guilty and cases must be built on hard evidence rather than hearsay.
The information on this site is currently, and will remain hearsay unless supplemented with tangible evidence of all the claims made.
For this site’s claims to be valid – it must provide along with its claims:
1. a copy of Maya Soetoro’s Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth
2. a copy of Barack Obama’s “forged” Hawaiian COLB under the name Barry Soetoro
3. a copy of government documents certifying Barack Hussein Obama II’s legal name change to Barry Soetoro – documents that verify the alleged name change is recognized by the US government. (It cannot be his Indonesian school records – because a nickname in the private sector does not a name change prove)
4. a fair, just presentation of the Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth Obama has provided on his website. It can be found here http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate
People cannot be expected to believe such crazy accusations without hard evidence. – Provide the above materials for your readers to examine. If you are right, you have nothing to fear in presenting these documents.
If, in fact, you’re spreading rumors and tossing around libelous accusations with no evidence to support them — then your journalistic integrity is at stake.
Defamation, even in this country of free speech, can be found criminal.
I hope you and all the people reading this post will begin to fact-check these outrageous stories before “passing them on”.
This isn’t Gossip Girl folks — this is the Presidential Election. Use your brains. Don’t let some schmo with a blog tell you what to think. Find the facts and think for yourselves.
Colorado.Chick –
You are exactly correct; the key facts missing are the actual hard original long-form birth certificates (NOT amended/amendable “certifications”). And the problem is that Obama and all the other sites are NOT producing them, and in fact are fighting subpoenas and court challenges requiring that they be produced.
So, you are correct – we need the hard evidence. There are a number of analyses out now that have created a reasonable doubt for voters that have taken the time to read all this data. The only reasonable thing that will shred these doubts will for Obama to provide the real, irrefutable, authenticated, original, long-form birth certificates.
Without that evidence, then these analyses will continue to stand no matter how many simple say “they’re wrong”.
Colorado.Chick et al: to echo Independent in Chicago, producing the actual documents will go far to end this controversy–plain and simple. But that is not being done. Despite the implication that this is a right-wing conspiracy, the main salvos are coming from a strong Democrat, Philip Berg. Why would that be? This adds a whole different twist. Is it because he is an angered Clinton supporter? That aside, all I really want to know is the truth–good or bad in this case. It is a legitimate question and one that goes to the core of our Constitution.
Do you guy ever get TIRED of being insane?
Whitey.
Heh.
I like this theme you are using… what is it?