Obama’s Impending Pearl Harbor
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1089) on August 9, 2008 at 11:22 PM in Backtrack Obama, Citizenship, Current Affairs, Democratic Nomination, Whitey Tape
After a very productive time (working, not playing) in Hawaii, I believe that the Japanese attack at Pearl Harbor is an apt metaphor for what awaits Barack Obama if he becomes the Democrat’s official nominee. Michelle’s “whitey” tape and the controversy over his birth certificate are the least of his concerns. Opponents of Obama and some proponents of McCain have acquired information that will rapidly erase any memory of the audacity and perfidy of John Edwards.
The “surprise” attack by the Japanese should not have caught the US fleet at Pearl Harbor unawares. There were advanced warnings that people in key positions ignored or shrugged off as unimportant. Well, guess what boys and girls? Similar warnings are now in the hands of the Democratic leadership and they are choosing to ignore the flashing red lights that signal danger ahead.
Just today, courtesy of the Rocky Mountain News, we confirmed that Barack aka Barry Soetoro Obama was a citizen of Kenya since 1963. Barack has yet to stipulate when he renounced or relinquished that citizenship. That will be a distracting issue in the upcoming campaign. Americans don’t want to elect a Kenyan as President. It is that simple.
But then there is the Indonesian problem and his Hawaiian birth certificate.
I confirmed today that several teams/individuals visited Jakarta during the last six months to gather up critical documents regarding Barack. It is amazing what money can buy. The information includes details of how Barack made his way to Pakistan. Oh! Did I mention there have been similar efforts underway in Pakistan. There are several lessons and warnings in the John Edwards affair for Obama. First and foremost, you cannot hide your past.
Did I also mention how small Hawaii is? Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.
Barack aka Barry Soetoro might have escaped scrutiny back in 1960 when there was no internet. Controlling information back then was so much easier. Not today. It is there for the taking and the Democrats foolishly chose to trust this clown just as they trusted John Edwards.
Who would have thought that John Edwards and his wife would be so arrogant and so disconnected with reality that they would embark on a presidential campaign even though they knew about his affair and the crazy nature of his paramour. Well, that kind of audacity and bamboozlement is not limited to the Edwards family. Meet the Obamas. You don’t know them? Don’t worry, Republican operatives are loaded for bear and you are going to meet a Barack Obama that was hidden and disguised during the Democratic primary. And when the introduction is over the Obama supporters will wish the only thing they had to worry about was a video with Michelle saying disparaging things about caucasians.
Dems. You’ve been warned. Don’t be surprised when the attacks come.
I lived on an island–everyone on an island knows everything because there’s nowhere to go— Thanks, Larry.
But hey, why wait until he is the nominee? Can’t we put him in jail yet? Is it a venue fight? I had a really gloomy theory about Pakistan last April so anxiously await the outcome.
Naturally the media spends more time investigating Edwards’ affair than Obama’s dual citizenship.
Obama is and American. He was born in America, see?
if that’s all you see? then you have a big surprise coming.
Is this the loony bin? I’d understand this site if you-all were McCain-bots, but you profess to like Hillary Clinton. Isn’t she behind Obama?
There’s a video posted here on this site called “What Convinced Me to Vote for Obama”. Do us a favour, watch it and tell us why we should vote for a guy that has kids doing satire about folks like you.
The level of naivete in the Messiah’s followers is truly astounding.
Prove it!
Hey, obamabot, quit using my name.
Use your own name,you impecunious dunderhead!
Get lost. This is not an ObamaTrollic Site. Go pick up your allowance and play some games.
What’s his real name Kevin? He was adopted later by Soetoro.
His parents weren’t married so it isn’t what’s on the ballots…
His mother flew to Kenya while pregnant with OB Jr. She took time off her studies to prepare for baby. They would not let her on return flight to Hawaii due to late term pregnancy restrictions to avoid an in-flight birth. She had the baby in Kenya. Then boarded plane with stop over in Seattle (no direct flight back then). While in Seattle she dropped in on her high school friend Karen. She departed Seattle, flew to Hawaii and AMERICANIZED the name Barack on Kenyan birth certificate to BARRY on U.S. certificate. When Barry was 5 year old, BO mother married ANOTHER Non-U.S. citizen Lolo Soetoro-Indonecian. Soetoro ADOPTED Barry who became Barry Soetoro. They moved tIndonecia and Barry Soetoro was enrolled in 2 schools (1 Catholic/1 Muslim). Registration papers at bothe schools say Barry Soetoro, Indonecian citazen, and a Muslim. Left Indonicia 1971 for Hawaii where he attended one school until graduation. Barry Soretoro decided at 19 years of age to call himself after his Kenyan father Barrack Obama Jr. The name on his Kenyan birth certificate. Obama Sr was a Kenyan Non-US citizen Muslim on a college grant when he met Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama Jr. Mother) (her dad wanted a boy-hence that name) Obama is an Indonesian and Kenyan citizen. There is a lawsuit filed on Obama eligibility filed Aug 08.
No. He was born in Kenya.
Can you prove this? I wish those documents were in the public domain. The day BEFORE the election the govenor of Hawaii personally certified Obama’s birth certificate after months of requests, lawsuits, ETC. Interesting that what is normally done by a clerk has to be done by a governor, and then she locks it up from public viewing. It must be a valid birth certificate, one above question, right? Right. I assure all of you, that YOUR birth certifcate is in public domain.
The Edwards ran anyhow because they know they get to pocket whatever money is left.
Naturally the media spends more time investigating Edwards’ affair than Obama’s dual citizenship.
Why wait ??? Because they don’t want to fight Billary !
Yeah. Speaking of which, did you hear him tell the press he was going to be body surfing at an “undisclosed location?” What an idiot. Like they can’t circle the island. Some strategic thinker.
LOL !!
The bots are out in full force commenting at the Rocky Mountain denying this on the basis that Kenya is one of those countries that does not allow dual citizenship….
Yeah, right…
The bots are correct: at least until 2007 Kenya has never alowed dual citizenship. Any child born of a Kenyan father is considered a citizen of Kenya.
Here’s what the botbrains can’t process. According to Kenyans obama is a Kenyan NOT an American.
There being NO record that obama has ever renounced his Kenyan citizenship - HE IS A KENYAN CITIZENSHIP which leaves his AMERERICAN
citizenship in question altogether!
And, if indeed, the Soertoro COLB has been exposed (as above) he traveled to live in Indonesia as an INDONESIAN CITIZEN as well.
Who cares what Kenya thinks? He’s running here. Here you can have dual citizenship. But if Kenya forbids it, that doesn’t mean he can’t be an American citizen. Just means he can’t be a Kenyan citizen. Which means he can’t be a dual citizen.
Maybe it will just be in the bathtub in his room!
Or in his mind daydreaming about it on the sofa. Now that WOULD be an undisclosed location!
ok - so how can this tricky terrain for Barack be navigated to make Hillary 44?
I imagine Hillary will have to become VP choice so when Barack implodes and steps down (pretty please), we have the viable candidate.
The thing is - the Republicans know this could becomes the scenario if Clinton becomes VP candidate, therefore they have to do everything they can to make sure this doesn’t happen. Is this the reason for 200 Clinton campaign memos?
Quite a game of chess.
THAT is exactly WHY FOX News has started DISSING Hillary YET AGAIN!!!
iT STARTED mostly a couple nights ago with varrious odd ball anchors who before were always defending her.
Then last night the REGULARS were either doing it or getting real damn close! They smell it. ALL BETS are OFF with FOX & Me!
They are ALL in cahoots with some devil LONG before they will GIVE UP the TRUTH!!
PUMA and NOQTR Radio is IT for me! And even my trust here is sometimes shakey with some of these obvious phony trolls.
sigh
I noticed that too. They smell blood and are gearing up to attack Hillary
What can they say about Hillary that hasn’t already been said fifty times.
True, but when it comes to misogynism it seems there is an element in our society that never tires of the same old jokes. As in “Take my wife … please” which never fails to draw a chuckle among a certain set.
Dawnelle,
The Obamabot troll with inept, dumb intrusive comments here uses my name. I will end my comments with Nobama!
Nobama!
I eat cocks.
Thanks for the laugh! I was hoping something worth reading would show up in these comments.
The big problems is that no matter what , this dooms the Democrats in ‘08— even if we nominated Hillary for President now, how do we convince a majority of Americans that the party that ignored Obama’s past and tried like hell to deliver this phony it’s nomination can be trusted to lead?
I think the Democrats have already disqualified ourselves for 2008 and maybe beyond. Witnessing the Obama Phenomenon, I’d say my party has a lot of growing up to do and is not ready to accept responsibility this year.
Totally with you on this line of thinking. Not to mention that his followers will stay home. Can’t elect a democrat with half a party. Aren’t we establishing that?
This is a very mature perspective. I pretty much faced this fact awhile back. Sad, but true.
Hmmm….Although I’m a skeptic this is my take…I think 1/2 of Obama’s support was a fiction anyway ( christian campers who inflated the expectations ) and were goin to go back to camp anyway….Wriiight after the convention…
This has become bigger than this election in this sense….Dems may be doomed for at least a generation ( Reagan anyone ? ) This could be as much about preventing a republican 12 more years extension and if Clinton can prevent that even if she cannot take the WH….I’m up for that…..The Party needs to be purged of these Corrupt Leaders and Obama has to be stopped because he is a fascist…imho
Truth is in a democracy we need a balance of a minimum of 2 parties
But I’d be OK with a third Centrist party….
I agree. I would love a 3rd party that hangs mostly in the middle. That supports policy because it is a reasonalble solution, not because of some ideology. I’m tired of parties that are controlled by the far right and the far left. Most of us just want what’s best for America!
Amen to that! I’m tired of everything being politics first and what’s good for the country last. While I’m at it, I’ve about had it up to here with all of the PC crap too.
I agree 100% and this is precisely why I have been a McCain supporter for a long time. He has repeatedly shown a willingness to buck the right wing of his party to pursue compromises that he believes to be in the national interest.
Can anyone point to even one incidence of Barack Obama doing the same with the far left of his party?
I agree 100%. I am a die hard Democrat and Hillary supporter that is going to vote McCain. Barack Obama is not good for the United States of America, period.
Um…do you even know what fascism is? Really? Because you don’t get to hammer Obama for being both too liberal and a fascist, since they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Idiots.
Oblahblah has managed to do what no one else could, take two polar systems, fascism and communism, and combine them into a nightmarish singularity called Obamaland.
How does that work for you, obamatron?
Sadly, I agree.
kick the idiotbots out and start over. gore, are you listening? he did the obligatory lap for obama but he isn’t out there.
yes, I think HRC has to respectfully decline. I think that is why Obama has received so many “nos” on his VP choice….they felt HRC.
I agree that the deception willl doom the dems for a long time, and Obama forever. dean, pelosie, Brazile, reid, kerry, they will all be purged.
HRC maybe in 2012…..but it could be along, long time.
shame on the dems!
Forget ignoring Obama’s past as a problem.
The dems have a woman issue because Barack and Michelle Obama and their legions of followers were DOWN RIGHT MEAN to Hillary Clinton.
The IRONY of asking her if he gets dumped off the list because of this birth thing is beyond believe.
That Michelle Whitey tape if it exists will be released when Hillary has no time to gear up.
Obama is an empty shell. He actually believes his running his campaign for 2 years gives him more experience than Palan’s mayor and governor experience. LOL THE ARROGANCE!
If Hill is not selected as vp, then the Dems might be in the embarrassing position of having to reconvene the convention, at least in virtual form. In regards to the arrogance of political candidates, Sam Stein at Huffington Post says that it looks like Rielle Hunter’s documentary project was an elaborate cover for the affair, which would mean money people were contributing to Edwards’ poverty eradication project was going to fund his affair.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/09/john-edwards-false-assert_n_117925.html
Maybe Barry’s slogan will just be shortened to “audacity”.
Gosh Kat…this is gettin better and better…chuckle….
yup and this woman now wants Privacy when a paternity test is requested. get lost lady. i feel compassion for the baby.
I don’t think it’s his kid. Andrew Young already confessed.
notodisenfranchisement,
Exactly, my thoughts when I saw the Politico article today.
The Repubs will not bring out the truth until after the convention, unfortunately. Perhaps some Democrat will also come up with the truth before it is too late. We can hope.
notodisenfranchisement, your theory makes a lot of sense. I never believe the MSM does something for no reason. Even the timing of the John Edwards problem and the fact that it seemed like a set up, makes you wonder what other thing was behind it. It keeps Obama from having to offer Edwards anything, keeps Edwards from having any influence over Democratic Policy and even keeps him from speaking at the Convention.
Okay, so I’m paranoid. The last 8 years and the Dem primary have made me that way.
That’s two of us…
Edwards in the news also takes Obama’s lack of thought and strategy on the Georgia/Russia situation out of the limelight……..
Hillary won’t be the nominee this time ’round, OK? There’s simply no way that the Democratic leadership will split the party 10 weeks before an election. Barry is still running ahead in the polls, albeit barely. The superdelegates will swallow hard and take their chances with Obama in November rather than permanently alienate one of their key constituencies, namely black Americans. If Obama were to be denied the nomination at this late stage, no matter how good the reason might be, 90% of black Americans would regard it as just another instance of whitey screwing them over. There’s no way they would turn out in significant numbers to vote for Hillary, which would doom her chances against McCain. The same applies to college students, who are strongly for Obama right now.
Nope, you’re stuck with Barry, I’m afraid. So, vote for McCain this year and then for Hillary in 2012.
While I hope that it happens before the Democratic convention, what matters in the end is that the Messiah is going DOWN! And he’s taking his drones with him!
I can’t believe the DNC don’t hear us. We’re roaring as loud as we can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCRLBJfVXIQ
OH…They hear…Comrade Howard ( iblobarry ) Dean the UberPutz is sweatin and apparently losing TONS of weight….
Yes this does explain why he looks so badly. However, I maintain that Howard is nothing more at this point than Barack Obama’s Hood Ornament. He no longer has The Power. He has been taken over by the machine.
Yeah….Bbbbut…it’s gotta hurt the UberPutz…being bashed up on so many fronts….Bashed by Barry…Commissar Donna ( behind closed doors )..Lawsuit…PUMAS…His ego has got to be spiralling knowin his fascist plan is imploding and he’ll
be the new face of Traitor/loser….Poetic….chuckle….
not sure… what that was…
they hear US.DNC is going down, with Pelosi,Reid,Richardson,Dodd,Edwards,Reich,Brazzile,and especjaly DEAN!!!
Alleluja!!!
Larry if his BC says soetaro, that would mean he acquired that Hawaii certificate years after he was born–after his mother married Soetaro and soetaro adopted him. After the fact. Then are you saying that he really wasn’t born in Hawaii? Or is this because of the name change/adoption? When people are adopted do they get a new birth certificate? I know when people marry, their last name changes but their original birth certificate doesn’t. So this is all odd to me. Why would somebody get another birth certificate that negates the orginal birth status. Vital statistics don’t change like that. Ok, I’m rambling but this is odd for sure.
I also remember reading that his brother Mark in China was the “only” child of Barack Obama Senior who was not “contested” in the estate. So I am wondering, what exactly does this certficate tell us with respect to this?
The Rockymountain article says
So which came first? He had to be born someplace. That would be where his ORIGINAL certificat resides. Is there ANY certificate anywhere with Obama’s name on it? I mean other than the one at KOS?
Hmmmm…..I’m still puzzled over the big deal Barry made about his very pregnant mommy doin all that travellin’ in his autobiofictional…chuckle…
What worries me to tears is the fact that Obama’s first Cousin, GenocidalDinga is running the Records Show in Kenya - let’s just remember that Obaalzebub went there to ensure an election victory. I mean what’s a little burning, shooting, dousing of the democratic flames when you have secrets to hide?
Think Passport office V.S. Watergate? Not too far behind each other on Twins night Wheel of Fortune, are they?
Then we have msm failing to cover it like Edwards, only - surely, to have their butts handed to them on their Commie Platters (remember they have to eat while STANDING, as they lobby, right B-Iraq?)
He is on a messy - shite-y shingle and slipping fast
My money is on Rudy and his pals…..After the convention Barry is toast
As Larry said, it’s amazing what money can buy when offered to the right low level Kenyan officials who don’t make that much in terms of a salary.
Save his page and the trivia page on IMDB before they get cleaned up. That’s the source for dual citizenship. It is maintained by his people and no one else.
maybe the father was allowed to register him in kenya. he might have thought to use this if he “had” to leave kenya.
Someone said before that the Kenyan constitution made any child of a Kenyan citizen also a citizen.
According to Kenyan law, Barry would have lost his citizenship at age 21 if he didn’t do something affirmative for it.
Because Obama sr was British subject, then Kenyan, he could have been conferred citizenship by birth there too–hence dual citizenship at birth. I have heard the republicans have a Kenyan BC…which would raise questions about his place of birth.
The original sealed Hawaii BC is under the name of BHO; that’s going to indicate a lot of things, like where he was born, hospital, etc.
Kenya will become the focus…but it is a distraction. the indonesian stuff is the smoking gun.
Uppity- read here or Texdarlin- State Of Hawaii requirees new COLB when a child is adopted and that is likely what he has been covering up. Doesn’t mean Sr. wasn’t his father (though very unlikely he and Stanley were married. Friend said she and young baby visited him at Harvard - indicates “daddy’ was not at birth - was long gone.
Point is that Barry went to Indonesia as adopted son of Soetoro- that means he entered that country as an INDONESIAN CITIZEN - another citizenship he has never renounced!
No wonder he calls himself a “Citizen of the World” - seems quite literaly true.Whether legal to be President with multiple citizenships - Americans would NOT want a President with hidden loyalties elsewhere- if only all this REALLY GOES PUBLIC!
Usually, they seal the old birth certificate, at least that is what my adopted friend has told me. It still exists in the files, only no one is allowed to have it. Go figure!
The certificate with the original parents’ names gets hidden away, and a new one is issued with the names of the brand new parent or parents.
Obama, to be Obama again, had to go get a name change–unless there’s some way to “undo” an adoption…and that’s news to me (not that I am an expert on the subject, mind you).
I used to issue birth certs in upstate NY and we if the child is adopted, we would “seal” the original….gluing the new one over the old. But no matter what the original should be in the city, town, Provence the child was born. So if he was not born in Hawaii there should not be one on record there.
Larry THANK YOU for all you do! Unfortunately the Repubs will do nothing until after the convention because they KNOW they will NEVER beat Hillary.
Aaaand which of the 2 hospitals that Barry was born at sealed what….
Well anybody can change their last name. It’s not all that hard. That wouldn’t mean another BC is issued. There is a legal paper that provides proof of original last name and the new last name.
Also, as for adoptions, it would depend on the State. Some states are Open Adoption states (i.e. Kansas) so the records are always there.
As for name changes, that should always be in public records.
Personal question–I have an adopted child, in other words, I’m an adoptive parent, and reside in KS…what do you mean the adoption is OPEN? My name is on the birth certificate. Just curious.
unless he didn’t do an official name change, just took the name he wanted.
Isn’t it true that the adopted child when he becomes 18(?) may unseal his adoption papers in some states.
Mo came out recently saying that Stanley Ann was single when she had BO. On another blog that was explained: Because of the way that the law was written at the time, BO would be a citizen if his mother was single at the time of his birth. Not so if she was married to a Kenyan and only 18 yrs. old at the time.
It was also explained that BO’s mother worked for the the consultate in Indonesia and that she could have filed citizenship papers for BO as having been born out of the country to an American citizen, like she did for Maya.(I may be forgetting exactly how this came down but this is something of the gist of the argument.)
In Australian an adopted Child can apply to the court to have the adoption cancelled on various grounds, ie to inherit the estate of the birth parents, incompatibility with the adoptive parents, reconcilliation with the birth parents etc.
The situation is confusing. Only an order of probate court can change a birth certificate: adoption, name change, sex change etc.. the original on file doesn’t change. But the abstracts issued by the goverment will show only the latest court ordered changes. There is a theory that Obama Sr. made that trip to Hawaii when Barky returned from Indonesia to claim paternity, undo the adoption, whatever. To make things even more confusing is Hawaii’s very lax policy regarding late registrations of births. I assume because home births with midwives were still common, or to allow native citizens giving birth on the mainland to register their children since recording ancestory to the Kingdom of Hawaii is very important culturally. You could see how someone could easily take advantage of the laxed system. Why Barky’s sister Maya has “two” birthdays is clearer since Texas Darling explained the late registration system.
Different states treat these matters differently.
Some states will reflect that later documents have been altered.
I was adopted at birth. Upon adoption my original birth certificate (which has different first name and has my birth mother’s last name) was sealed and a new certificate was issued with the first and last name my adoptive parents gave me. Neither my parents or I have ever seen or had access to the sealed birth certificate.I only know about that because I met my birth mom in my mid twenties.
When you adopt in America, the birth parent or previous parent has to relinquish or otherwise forfeit all parenting rights. I was adopted in 1967.
Back then unplanned pregnancies and adoption under any circumstance had a stigma. Most adopted parents in 1961 passed off their adopted children as their own. Many adoption agencies and homes for unwed mothers encouraged and helped both adoptive parents and birth moms to hide the pregnancy and adoption so they can get on with life after. Also there were strict disclosure laws in the 60’s about keeping a birth parent’s identity anonymous even if the child would later want to find them. Many birth parents remarry and have children but have never told their new family they gave a child up.
BO’s original birth certificate would have been rightly sealed at birth even though the circumstances were different than mine.
JDW -
I don’t follow your logic unless you’re implying that Oblowme was adopted by Stan Dunham.
His sister’s BC was used for the fake, so I still think he has a problem with both place and name.
Various states have various laws regarding privacy and adoptions.
Go back on this list and read story on HOW Barrack Obama Jr. was born in Kenya. Has Kenyan birth certifate for Barrack Obama Jr.
When mother got beck to Hawaii she AMERICANIZED his first name to Barry.
When Barry was 2 year old, mom divorced dad (question as to whether they were married. He alrady marreidn In Keny to Kezia and had a baby girl born 1960. Barry (barrock Obama Jr born 1061 4 Aug.
Mommy marries yet ANOTHER Non-U.S. citazen Muslim Indocian named Lolo Soetoro this time and they leave 1967 for Indonesian. Barry adopted by stepfateher now Barry Soetoro. Enrolled in 2 Indocian schools WITHE REGIATRATION PAPERS saying BARRY SOETORO, A Indoencian citazen and Muslim. Indonecia a Muslmim country. Barry studied Islam and Islamaic laws.
Barry is sent to Hawaii 1971 to live with Hawaii Grandparents. Mom statyed in Indoneias with Barry sister Maya. Mom leaves for Hawaiii 1972 leaving hubby behind and divorces him 1980.
1980 Barry Soetoro decides to call himself after daddy. Barrack Obama Jr is REBORN as the SAVIOR!
Thanks Larry. I said it long time ago, that he has a Kenian citizenship. I know that as far as Kenia is concern , he is Kenian and not a US citizen, because his father was Kenian and it does not matter that his mother was a US citizen.
Since when, in history, has the American public been willing to nominate a presidential candidate who is a citizen of other nations? This is totally beyond my comprehension. Has America gone bonkers!!????
most americans don’t have a clue yet. i can hear the howling now about how we are picking on barfy.
Larry,
Thank you. Today is my Birthday and this news was the very best gift anyone could give me!!!!! I can feel and see things about people that others may not. Obama scares me. I love my freedom as an American. I am not willing to ever give it up for the sake of the Unity of a Political Party. That is why I am a proud PUMA and a Hillary Loyalist that will vote for John McCain!!!!!
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
Happy Birthday Val….
Think the Beatles:
“Today is your birthday…”
Happy Noo B lowme Day!
I too live on an island and truer words were never spoken, bemused.
BREAKING NEWS!
I just caught the tail end of the report, but at the end Fox news is urging anyone with first hand accounts of voter fraud to e-mail Fox news ASAP. I am going to watch and get more info as soon as I find out more I will let you know. I think all our hard work is finally going to have results!!!!
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/2008/07/28/obama-and-acorn-black-voters-caught-in-voter-registration-fraud-in-virginia/
it is a few days old, I am still looking
Please send all of your stories,videos,pictures,documentation to this e-mail address
voterfraud@foxnews.com.
Blueprint for Making a Muslim Enemy Operative U.S. President in 10 Steps
1. Find a TROUBLED U.S Citizen Young Woman
Stanley Ann Dunham (Barack Obama mother was relentlessly teased about her name for12 school years. She moved numerous times exposing her to the teasing of the new students at each school from Kansas , to Texas , to California and 2 school changes in WA-1 year Seattle & 2 years Mercer Island . Ann’s anger was augmented by resentment against her parents for naming her and by the teachings of her not so TYPICAL WHITE parents who attended a Unitarian Bellevue Church quietly referred to as Little Red Church. Her parent’s politics influenced their move to Mercer Island High School which had teachers who taught pro-Marxist ideology. One board member, John Stenhouse, told the House Un-American Activities Subcommittee that he had been a staff member. Two other teachers were Val Foubert and Jim Wichterman. Both teachers were Frankfurt School style Marxists who taught children critical theory curriculum. On the curriculum: homework assignments of Karl Marx teachings . Karl Marx teachings are Anti-Christian, Anti-family values, and a complete rejection of societal norms. Foubert and Wchterman even had a hallway between their classes called “anarchy alley”. John Stenhouse’s funeral video on YouTube states: “Edgy teaching methods Val and Jim used to challenge their students to think for themselves — often to the dismay of parents and administrators” Girls don’t do Columbine’s so she gave us Barrack Obama Jr. instead. Ann’s Communist/Marxist indoctrination by her parents and teachers carried over into her college years.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-0703270151mar27,0,14968,full.story
http://valfoubert.com/index.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYWAoSgS0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FUWyxmWACQ&feature=related
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/09/obamas-impending-pearl-harbor/#comment-673867
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXNLLAk9gek&feature=related
2. Date this TROUBLED REBELLIOUS U.S. Citizen Young Woman
Ann graduated from Mercer high school and moved to Hawaii where in Fall/1960, she enrolled at the University of Hawaii ’s East West Centre. The East West Centre was ground zero for the University’s Leftist thoughts and ideals. To strengthen her Marxist training, Ann took Russian classes. Why would a sweet Baptist girl from Kansas study Russian? Ann met Muslim non-U.S. citizen Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan student, in that Russian language class. Why would a Kenyan study Russian? This woman was so rebellious, she ended up having children with not one, but 2 Muslim, Non-U.S. citizens.
3. Get a U.S. citizen girl PREGANT (marriage unimportant-Mommy citizenship is)
Stanley Ann Dunham got pregnant by a Kenyan Muslim non-U.S. citizen Barack Obama Sr. He was already married to Kenyan Keiza and had a daughter born in 1960. Barrack Obama was born in 1961 and has a step-brother born 1968 by same mother as his 1960 sister + 6 other Muslim step siblings by various women.
4. Have baby be BORN in enemy country.
Take her back to Iraq (or Kenya ) and keep her there until she has the baby voluntarily or involuntarily. Stanley Ann waited too long and the airline would NOT let her on to avoid an in-flight birth. Ensure the baby gets a Kenyan birth certificate in the name Barack Obama Jr.
5. Return with Baby to a lax Birth Certificate State like Hawaii
Hawaii allows very late birth registrations for those born elsewhere.
6. Americanize the Baby Name’s on NEW U.S. Birth Certificate
Barack Obama Jr. is now called Barry Dunham (her maiden name). If he married her, they committed adultery but Muslims believe in polygomy so it is possible he did. Obama needs to show us the LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE..
7. Have Mother DIVORCE daddy and have New Daddy ADOPT Child
Ann married another Muslim Non-U.S. citizen Indonesian man who adopts Barry Soetoro)
8. INDOCTRINATE Child WHILE YOUNG by living in an Islamic Country
Barry lived in Muslim Indonesia from 1967 to 1971 and went to mosques with new daddy and attended MANDATORY Islamic and Arab language study in school. Enrollment documents at both schools say Barry Soetoro, an Indonesian citizen, and a Muslim. No separation of church and state in Muslim countries
9 Return Child back to U.S. and enroll him in ONE school 4th-12 Grade
Barry attended one school. Helps minimize # of registration records (learned from 1st mistake) and private schools usually more left thinking {not that most schools/colleges aren’t already left} and harder to get information from.
10. HIDE your candidate behind birth certificate and adoption privacy laws and have him submit a doctored short birth certificate with minimal information.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_certificate
The U.S. Attorney SHOULD release Barack Obama LONG form (actual photograph) birth certificate which shows mother’s marriage status (single/married?) ATTENDING Obstetricians’ name (no doc/wasn’t born in Hawaii ), and the ADDRESS of both parents at time of birth ( Kenya or Hi?)and ALL his names. THE PUBLIC INTEREST TAKES PRIORITY.
Our president should NEVER have had a Kenyan and Indonesian citizenship unless Obama really does want to be the World President.
Your biography gave me the creeps. Made the hair stand up on my arms. It sounds like we have a groomed terrorist on-board. But I guess if they can take over our commercial liners and blow-up our buildings before our very eyes anything is possible. That means their is someone high ranking
in the government that is protecting his discrepancies or he wouldn’t be in the US Senate. Surely he couldn’t have gotten this far without political help. The important issue is if Americans are foolish enough to vote this cowboy into our Presidential rodeo what is his ultimate agenda and how much damage could he do before him and his alah maniacs are demobilized. Ya know,this isn’t much different in scenario than Hitler with his superior race agenda except that these sleepers are sneaky little bast–ds. What do you think or am I riding the paranoid train solo.
“Just today, courtesy of the Rocky Mountain News, we confirmed that Barack aka Barry Soetoro Obama was a citizen of Kenya since 1963.”
Wow! Is there a link?
It’s in the article. It’s blue. But here it is again.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/06/things-you-might-not-know-about-barack-obama/?partner=yahoo_headlines
Can a U.S. President have a dual citizenship?
Yes. But they shouldn’t.
The Constitution does not say anything to that effect, but I agree that a US president shouldn’t, because he would owe allegiance to two countries. Would it not be a conflict of interests?
From: Ask.com
If you look at why only natural born citizen can be President, you have to conclude that the reason is to prevent dual loyalties.
Under that logic dual citizenship is even more disqualifying in my opinion.
He didn’t get thrown out yet because the MSM still leaves him alone.
Beside that they would need some firm evidence to support this. There is no BC.
I think that is correct.
So I guess the issue is “will the American people accept his dual citizenship” - from Kenya or Indonesia (which I believe Texas Darling postings have proven a child gets if he is adopted by a father in that country…and it seems logical that he would have been in order to have been allowed in/stayed/to be educated there for e5 years)?
In this era of terrorism and suspicion about even our own citizens, I doubt it.
So then, he is a citizen of Kenya (by way of birth) AND Indonesia (by way of adoption). “Citizen of the world,” indeed.
Yup, it is possible!
Obama is calling Himself as”CITIZEN OF THE WORLD” SPEACH IN GERMANY!!!
They can run for president but they cannot be commander in chief,hence Bill Clintons remark the constitution states the requirements for president and anyone who meets those requirements should run. I do believe in his own way he was having fun with BO.
Commmander in chief requires you have allegence to no other countrie but the USA.
Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.
I saw this link on Friday that was posted in a NQ comment. I apologize, I do not recall who posted it.
How ever, I called the Rocky Mountain News (nice people) . I was told the the editor a Mr. Martin? was out the office. The person answering the phone rang the metro desk and did not have the attribution for the quote.
Atlanta Journal Constitution is sited but I have not been able to follow that link to any “source”.
Has anyone found the source of the Rockymountain News story? I was just checking this. I don’t normally stop what I am doing an pick up the phone and call a news paper several states away. If anyone can add some clarity, if it was sourced to the Atlanta Journal Constitution ot the ‘biography.com’ I would be greatful. I was trying to get it down to the name of the person(s) that have backup for a statement such as…
“Holds both American and Kenyan (since 1963) citizenship.”
Name please?
I sent an email to the Colorado Secretary of State citing the RMN article and requesting the procedure to issue a challenge to his elegiblity. I have no idea if there will be a response, but if there is, i will post it here.
Perhaps you might want to look to KENYAN law.
That seems logical to me, given the timing of his acquiring of Kenyan citizenship, as stated in the article.
Did not Kenya free itself from the Empire in 1963?
I would wager that Kenyan law states that the father passes citizenship to the child, and so it remains, unless and until the child renounces.
If you find this, in your research, to be the case, please report back to us with confirmation.
From Wikipedia:
The first direct elections for Africans to the Legislative Council took place in 1957. Despite British hopes of handing power to “moderate” African rivals, it was the Kenya African National Union (KANU) of Jomo Kenyatta that formed a government shortly before Kenya became independent on 12 December 1963.
Kenya doen’t recognize dual citizenship.
That may be right, it is true in many countries. As I said before, you are Kenian if your father is Kenian and it does not matter where you were born.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1151.html
the obama campaign is not denying it however and i wonder about that.
Mr. Martin is probably Andy Martin, who has yet to show his sourcing for his claims plus makes illogical boneheaded leaps such as Obama Sr. was only a fraction Negroid and was mostly Arabic therefore he was the “last generation” to legally be able to call himself AA. Notwithstanding the facts that you can just LOOK at pictures of O Sr. and see how ample the negroid traits are…and no matter WHAT he couldn’t be AA, since he never was American, just African.
Oh boy. Now I have to go out and get more popcorn. Great work Larry.
Barry, karma’s a bitch.
I can’t wait until Donna Brazile, Howard Dean, and Nancy Pelosi have to EAT CROW, with a slice of humble pie for dessert.
Keep up the Good Fight Larry….NQ Rocks!
workingclass artist…What kind of beer do you like? I`m stocking up for the celebrations.
HARP, I don’t know about Workingclass artist, but if you’re buying….I like Harp! It’s an Irish beer!
Harp it is then and if we can get rid of bothways Barack, I`ll be happy to buy.
Okay, you buy the Harp, HARP and I’ll supply the Crown Royal (Hillary’s fav!)for the chasers!
DEAL
HARP How about Hopland Brewery’s “Red Tail” (hawk)
PS. It is not the hawk that is circling above, it’s me spinning!
Teehee…chuckle….Depends on how hot it is outside….In summer because I’m from the mildly fascist state of Texas I prefer as cold as possible Mexican beer with tequila chasers…and lots o’ lime and salt…chuckle…
The rest of the year I am Irish stout all the way….and have a particular fondness for Black&Tans in the autumn ( oh those philly pubs…sigh )
Over the years….I’ve had to cut back…(sigh) but….a celebration is a celebration….chuckle….HARP your Sentiment is much appreciated….You folks at NQ have kept me sane and restored my sense of humor as well as bolstered my sense of patriotism….a minor miracle for a recalcitrant ol’ skeptic….NQ Rocks
*** My daughter ( 18 yrs. ) who recently returned from her free trip to Ireland and British Isles…sampled her first True Local Pint in Dublin toasting the ancestors….and US Patriots….and assured me she had lively discussions in the pubs….Some tradititions are priceless…chuckle…***
Great article!!
The Obama we’re still waiting for -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/08/AR2008080802944.html
there is a pub in london with my family name. i plan to drop by for one when i visit again.
Heart be still!
I have never underestimated the Republicans. It’s just this is the first time I’ll enjoy it! I feel it’s justified.
Just a note, and for the record I think you guys are doing good work. It’s just that, if we (Republicans) are collecting this info, and we are planning to release it, I don’t think it’s necessarily underhanded, and maybe Larry doesn’t either, but ‘Republican operatives’ sounds a little creepy even to me
I think these are legitimate issues, and someone ought to unearth them since the DNC has shown zero interest. The real time for this was at the start of the primary. I think it’s a shame on the DNC this guy has gotten this far, with his cast of characters and background.
And I think, for the institution’s sake, you all should keep on the pressure and try to keep him from the nomination. He is out of his league with Carter and Nixon, much less our many decent presidents.
I didn’t think ‘republican operatives’ is creepy. I just thought it meant republicans in places that could make a difference in this case.
Not creepy or underhanded. If thy do have this info, which I believe they do, then timing is everything if they are in it to win, and they are, they will wait until after the convention.
Why do Dean’s work for him?
Morgan,
I have a little problem with the Republican timing. (Besides that it is bad for Hillary’s chances.) If the sky starts to fall on Obama, after he is the nominee, it will ruin the Democratic Party. If Hillary has a chance to step in, some face can be saved.
For a Republican, it doesn’t sound too bad. For the country however is very bad. The Democratic party has to be reformed, not eliminated. It is a very bad idea to have a one party system, even if in name only there is an other party. Trust me, it can not bring any good.
As a proud ex democrat I must say that the only way to reform it is to destroy it.
If its possible to remove the head of this monster and put an honorable one in its stead, I’d want the party saved. That being said, the disease may have spread too far for surgery to correct and the party might need to be radically pruned.
One can only hope that calm, even minded heads prevail after the fur hits the fan or there will be too much resentment going around to get anything done.
Old chinese curse,
“May you live in interesting times…”
I thought that curse was Arabic (not that it actually matters).
Nah,
That’s “May the fleas of a thousand camels…”
I got just curious enough to Goog the thing and the wiki says it probably comes from some British dude who did embassy time in the first half of the twentieth century in China. No written poop is available to confirm that its really Chinese but it makes a good enough story that a number of other Movies, Books and even the old Star Trek used the loose quotation.
Interesting…. or not
LOL….given the Chinese aversion to dissent of any kind….Why that would be a curse….It’s a given in America as we are a nation founded by castoffs from Europe….chuckle…..Recalcitrance is a national trait….Americans have a natural aversion to totalitarianism…at least enough of us do.
Country before Party…..Always
I agree. The Dem Party is rotten from the inside. Which of these tainted leaders stood up against sexism and mysogyny during the primaries? Which of them stood up against race baiting? Which of them stood up against “selecting” the nominee? And what I will never forgive is all these social injustices were against members of their own party. Sen. Clinton got more verbal support from Sen. McCain than from her own party. There’s too much corruption here. I am an Indy but have voted dem all my life. Not this year. I will vote repub all the way down the ticket–gladly.
This Dem-bashing is getting old and tired…and I’m not even half-way down the thread yet. All you repuke trolls can try, but there is no way the Dems downticket are going down. Except where it counts, such as voting Kerry out during the Dem primary in Mass. in September. And that requires STAYING DEM in order to vote in the primary. And Ed O’Reilly, Kerry’s contender, is exactly what the party needs. Back to its roots. There is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Not to mention Repukes are ones to talk. If we go by Repuke and Corporate Media standards then Edwards should immediately be hired as a TV pundit as was Newt “I got blowjobs in my car while my daughters walked nearby and dumped my wife on her cancer bed” Gingrich. And that’s not even touching on the criminal standards of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and crew.
well we are tired of you too.
It won’t “ruin the Democratic Party”. On the contrary, perhaps it will be the sorely-needed catalyst for the Democratic Party to buck up the courage to tell those in it’s Daily Kos/MoveOn.org/George Soros wing to go fuck themselves and move back towards the political center so that maybe you can start winning national elections again.
I am a Republican (although I did vote for Clinton in 1996 and Gore in 2000) and a long-time John McCain fan. I also think Bush has done a very good job in the GWOT and, albeit after a very bad first 3 1/2 years, in Iraq. But he has totally wrecked the federal budget, done virtually nothing to wean us off of foreign oil, catered to the far right wing of his party on nearly every occasion, and has one of the lowest approval ratings of any president in history.
Seriously, if you guys can’t win in THIS environment, when will you EVER win???
The answer is that you’ll win when you finally figure out that nomiating moderate southererners is a winning strategy (Truman, LBJ, Carter, Clinton) whereas nominating northern liberals (Stevenson, Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry, and now Obama) is not. The only outliers here are JFK (won as a northerner, though by today’s standards he certainly wouldn’t be considered a liberal) and Al Gore (southerner who lost while running as a moderate although, as time has subsequently shown, was actually quite liberal).
It really is pretty simple, fellas.
The only thing the Democratic party learns from history is how to repeat its mistakes exactly. This is TRULY deja vu.
Let’s see the Democratic (Silly Party),
renominated Carter in 1980 instead of Teddy
Mondale in 1984
Dukakis in 1988
Clinton in 1992 - Finally didn’t nominate a boring liberal
Gore
Kerry
There’s a tendency there.
Kevin….Clinton/Gore are centrists. So I beg to differ on your list.
The left hate Clinton ( both of them ) as much as the right.
And now the right is stuck with a cenrist ( independent ) non-goosestepper they have been tryin to get rid of for how many years ?
This is about the Great American Middle tired of being squeezed by extremists in BOTH parties….This Factional infighting has gone on long enough and the stagnation has got to stop.
The comment on Clinton was meant to imply that he is a centrist.
My bad on Al of the 22K kilowatts per month. You can’t use that much power and be a liberal.
Does that qualify as a snark?
LOL….yeah that qualifies as a snark…
And how is the mildly facist texas republic this fine Sunday morning?
Hotter n’ Hell….chuckle…prayin for rain….The fundy preachers are havin a field day this fine sunday mornin.
chuckle….Tap Dancin’ Jesus is comin to Denver….
Yes, Uppity Woman.
History repeats itself. But why does the world have to suffer with yet another catastrophic bozo clown, this time Barry- Bush-lite?!…
Oh, Hillary….
Remember just 6 months ago we were talking about the demise of the Republican party. Then look what the Democrats do — nominate a horrible candidate like Obama the one thing that could destroy their party or the US.
This major blunder has put the Democratic party into a position where it needs a major overhaul. It seems whichever party takes control becomes arrogant. The Obama campaign has taken arrogance to a dangerous new high.
No, the problem is that, just as in the late 60’s & early 70’s, you’ve let the far left fringe take over your party. Remember George McGovern? The best run you’ve had since then was with Bill Clinton, a southern centrist. Looks like you’ll have to learn that lesson all over agin.
the dem party is going down in flames now or later. It is happening and a new party will rise from the ashes. Probably should be called the Phoenix Party.
The Democratic Party already ruined itself.
I’ve been thinking, not always a good thing to do on less than a pot of coffee, but here goes. Maybe a DEM drenching in Nov because of Obama is what the party needs to get back to its roots. Obama and all the party leadership, loosly speaking, have shown a hubris to match the RNC under Bush/Cheney. I firmly believe that when John Kerry, or Howard Dean hand picked Obama to be the 2004 conv. keynote speaker they were priming him for the future POTUS, they just didn’t think it would be 2008 (cuz they thought Kerry would win). The selection began in 2004. I grant that HRC’s campaign got off to a very bad start and was mismanaged by Penn and Doyle, but the popular vote and the delegate count was close enough to require a convention vote. By Pelosi and Dean pushing/arm twisting the SDs to come out in favor of Obama to ensure that THEIR candidate was the nominee was the height of arrogance not to mention studidity. They need a drubbing in Nov as much as the RNC needed one in 2006 in order to get it that the electorate is mad as hell and doesn’t want to take it anymore. I hope that (barring them coming to their senses) McCain wins. I do not want to see another four years of mismanagment of this country and that is what we will get with Obama and a Dem congress. We need balance, not a one party system that rapes the public because they hold both the WH and the congress. HRC is a Dem but at least she GETS IT and no one would run rough-shod over her.
By the way, did anyone see Matt Taibbi’s article on AlterNet (maybe also in Rolling Stone) about the Wall St money going to Obama and his comparison b/w Obama and McCain regarding high dollar supporters? Very interesting and informative.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/94334/big_business_is_making_sure_it_wins_the_presidency
I do not believe that the Republicans will help put Hillary in as the nominee. I do believe that the release of her campaign memos are meant to belittle her, to lessen the chance that she will be vp or somehow get the nomination. Considering the source of those memos and the timing, that would figure.
When is BO coming off his vacation/trip to reacquaint Grandma with his birth details?
Everything is already bought and paid for, folks.
I honestly don’t think Hillary would accept the VP spot even if it were offered. She no doubt knows at least as much as Larry knows about what’s going to come out on Barry after Labor Day. I think she’ll be quite content to stay on shore and watch this ship particular sink from afar. Then the Democratic Party will replace Howard Dean as national chairman and turn to her to pick up the pieces, which is exactly what she wants.
McCain in 2008.
Hillary in 2012.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mQzrDrw16W4
if this is true, he will use her to get in the white house and then say she did something to him and fire her..remember this!
communistislam,,,are uprising against the usa,
and the dems who want us to have obama as president know this..axelrod, soros are communists
He has so many communist in his historical bio plus so many in his current regime. He also has been assisted this past year by republican forces who chose him as a puppet candidate to donate to and promote just to easily destroy.
If the fascists at the DNC push this unelectable man to a win in Denver, the whole country will be red on election night, GOP red not ob’s favored commie red.
Also, Manning has grown on me. The man speaks to the truth and makes me lol. Coconut juice, King Kong, “son of Hitler”, he’s a comedian pastor.
NO VP for Hill - do not board the Titanic Hillary!
It is a relief to know the GOP has the goods to take down this fool. With all the ammo against him we can say there are a dozen “whitey” tapes in the hands of oppo forces. Thanks Larry, for your work and dedication and for keeping us fueled up this past year.
On last nights NQR show we heard Dean was looking like something the cat dragged in. Must have been attacked by a PUMA!
The “Atlantic” Clinton internal memos await, and those boys are pros at flinging mud.
Hopey Changy mindless bots can’t shine chit.
I’ll bring whine and cheese to our victory party, Harp, and a few pitchers of tropical concoctions.
We should all wear Hawaiian shirts to our festival.
Aloha Larry and “bon voyagIe” ob, (ala Bugs Bunny.)
What’s this “we” shit?
There are many people here who are
fwiw. Plenty of disappointed and disaffected Democrats, Democrats ready to move to independent, and others affiliated or otherwise, who share the belief that Obama’s not ready for the Big Show.
Karl Rove’s crew are “Republican operatives.” Frankly, no one does the “operatives” routine BETTER than the GOP. They’ve been mastering the craft since the days of Nixon and his plumbers.
When I think “operative” I think “Republican.”
The Democrats are too disorganized to have good operatives–not to say they don’t have them, but they’re lousy–that’s why they’re always playing defense. And on the odd occasion when they do play the “gotcha” game, they’re just so inexperienced at it that they come off like hamhanded, obvious clowns. It’s actually part of their appeal, that they aren’t as mendacious as the GOP. Unfortunately for them, this election cycle, that fresh-faced earnestness isn’t enough.
We have democratic bumblers. They assist the GOP every 4 years. This time they tore the party from within and ate their own and railroaded a sham while they hijacked our votes.
This time they not only shot themselves in the foot, they tossed hand grenades around at the RBC meeting.
We are the collateral damage.
I also was wonder why he called us “we” republicans???? WE ARE NOT REPUBLICANS, WE ARE CLINTON DEMOCRATS, AND WE ARE PROUD OF IT
Don’t worry about anything Tish posts. S/he constantly posts crap from World Nut Daily.
This place is RIPE with repukes today. You know, I was defending to others the coalition of indies, dems and republicans who are resisting and outing the cult of Obamamania, but if the rethugs revert to type and start bashing all dems as commies and how the party needs to die, it really won’t take long to RANDOMLY dip into the last eight years of hell and bring up any number of reminders of the worst misadministration in history.
And what pathetic logic is this? The dems need to be DESTROYED because they didn’t stand up to the lockstep and stranglehold of Repuke rule and Corporate Media complicity?
Oh, yes. The recent bare majority wasn’t able to reverse everything instantly like a Genie in a Bottle, therefore we should put more repukes in office! What a plan.
Obama needs to be rejected, that is the message. We would need a sizable Dem majority to counter a President McCain if we can’t get a new President Clinton to clean up after the second Bush.
Sorry to interrupt the echo chamber here, but people, just because the
repukes send in a boatload of morons saying vote thug straight ticket doesn’t mean you have to parrot them. What is this? Third grade?
There’s no democracy in the BLT Democratic party with caucuses, so no party for me.
What’s this “we” shit?
There are many people here who are
fwiw. Plenty of disappointed and disaffected Democrats, Democrats ready to move to independent, and others affiliated or otherwise, who share the belief that Obama’s not ready for the Big Show.
Karl Rove’s crew are “Republican operatives.” Frankly, no one does the “operatives” routine BETTER than the GOP. They’ve been mastering the craft since the days of Nixon and his plumbers.
When I think “operative” I think “Republican.”
The Democrats are too disorganized to have good operatives–not to say they don’t have them, but they’re lousy–that’s why they’re always playing defense. And on the odd occasion when they do play the “gotcha” game, they’re just so inexperienced at it that they come off like hamhanded, obvious clowns. It’s actually part of their appeal, that they aren’t as mendacious as the GOP. Unfortunately for them, this election cycle, that fresh-faced earnestness isn’t enough.
The Democrats are too disorganized to have good operatives–not to say they don’t have them, but they’re lousy–that’s why they’re always playing defense. And on the odd occasion when they do play the “gotcha” game, they’re just so inexperienced at it that they come off like hamhanded, obvious clowns. It’s actually part of their appeal, that they aren’t as mendacious as the GOP. Unfortunately for them, this election cycle, that fresh-faced earnestness isn’t enough.
While I generally agree with you, I have to disagree with you on this one point. There is a powerful group of folks pulling the strings this cycle at the DNC–and they have masterminded several strategies.
Think Michigan. The Dems in leadership managed to take Michigan out of the nominating process and are seen as merely bungling because they moved up the primaries(and I would explain further if you like). The actions of the Dems in power (and the Dem Governor) effectively silenced the voices of the Hillary supporters here.
The same Michigan Dems are behing a secret initiative to control all three branches of government for decades to come. They formed a petition signed by 1/2 million people to have the bill to ‘reduce government’ on the ballot this year. The bill/petition was so craftily worded, I signed it myself (so you can imagine how the votes would go once on the ballot).
A document was recently uncovered on the UAW website that exposed the DNC’s plan for Michigan control and why. (The power point is available on some of the local newspapers in Michigan and you may find it very interesting.) The bill would eliminate some of the conservative justices who were appointed some years ago by a Republican governor–the MI Supreme court is not beholden to the left and apparently that balance is a problem for the far left. (Just look at how the Michigan Dems have been beholden to the presiding, indicted, Dem. Mayor of Detroit. If you think Chicago-style politics are dirty, you haven’t seen anything yet.)
I’m trying to be brief here but you really should take another look at the current DNC in power–it is very organized, strategic and crafty. It just happens to be the far left of the wing running the show and the unwitting middle of the party is completely unaware.
I’d like to add to your most excellent post that you could not go anywhere people gathered (i.e. store, festival, sometimes stopped at traffic lights) without having someone shove that damned petition in your face in an attempt to get you to sign it!!!
You make it sound like doing thorough opposition resaerch is a bad thing. Just because the Republicans know how to do it and the Democrats don’t doesn’t make it morally suspect, as the term “Republican operatives” seems to imply. Hell, the Democrats don’t even know how to properly vet their own candidates!
Actually, about half or more of us here are democrats. THIS is how bipartisianship whould work! We’re getting things done!
We need a new party. Let the far, far left elitists have the Democratic party, let the far, far right have the Republican party and the rest of us can just meet in the middle and call ourselves America’s Party or something.
We have Democrats, Republicans and Independents all here working together toward the same cause and due to the extensive work of a few, great headway is being made. THIS is AMERICA!!!!
AWESOME, this illigitamate candidate has actually united us in ways he could never have done through supporting him. This election cycle is going to show how the moderates of each party can come together, can get along and can work toward the same end (getting rid of obambi). This is the America we all know and love and this is what they will NEVER take away from us.
WE ARE AMERICA and we will not faulter, we will not fall, our Country is more important than our political party and always will be.
I totally agree with you, Chiten. America’s Party sounds good to me. Maybe Hillary would be our first nominee for 2012.
Bad idea - The American Party already exists. It is extremely right wing.
Senator Helms was their hero.
Not a problem, we just name it something else!
This traumatized Dem thanks you and agrees with you. Finally this Orwellian mystery of Obama might be solved. It seems that everyone knows about this but the public. The DNC, RNC, and the MSM. This is sickening. Here’s a link I saved from yesterday. I had a feeling we might need it.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-newrutten9-2008aug09,0,3175773.column
Hillary 08.
The title of the LA Times article I linked to above is:
Excerpt:
This what we have to do before the convention. Someone commented here the other day that this is what Bill Clinton meant when he said:
The story will have to come out.
HILLARY 08 !
Obama’s minions are talking about Palin’s baby really being her daughter’s SECOND child. Today on Bill O this woman on the dem side said Palin chose her COUNTRY over her Family and who would take care of the special needs baby. The Dem liberal women are the champions of women work.
ALL THIS GARBAGE and no one is talking about the topic of this article.
And PRAY that Rudi has that Whitey tape Michelle Obama made with Mrs Farrakahn.
same here Id
Edwards and Obama, two
narcissistspeas in a pod“Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.”
I think that is the story with the BC. After his adoption, a new HI BC was issued for Barry Soetoro and his original Barak Hussein Obama II BC was sealed. At some point Barry decided to go back to using his “birth” name but didn’t take the trouble to change it legally. If his current legal name is Barry Soetoro, what are the legal implications with all of the Legal Bar paper work, election paper work, etc.
That basically his whole life is founded on a lie.
Seriously, not only are all his titles, licenses, degrees, etc. possibly invalid because of fraud, he could be subject to a staggering amount of litigation.
and his wife and childrens names
His marriage too.
I just left a comment on the Rocky Mountian News article and, last week, I sent an email to a Constitutional law professor at the blog, Legal Theory, asking someone to take a look at the issues. Why has the DNC ignored this? Thank you TexasDarlin and all for your work. Maybe someone will wake up before it’s too late. Is there anything else we can do at this point?
The DNC hopes that it will just go away. Idiots.
I know they are idiots and that’s why I have been emailing other people. i don’t expect any help from them.
so did edwards but look at the results.
Go to the hardware store and look down the fastener isle. See all the screws, that’s barky.
He will have to change all the O`s to an S.
Now how are we going to do a hand signal to form the shape of an S? I guess hand signals are under the bus now.
B.S. How appropriate.
oh oh oh !!!!
LOLOLOL
ROFLMAO!!!! Maybe that’s why he changed it!! He didn’t want to be known as BS!!!
yeah, but BO is better?
Opps, you’re right! But his wife did say he has stinky feet!
BS aka BO, yeah, that sums it up alright.
The damage he has done cannot be overstated. That devious little wanker has been a liar from day one. I had to laugh at a headline about the Russia/Georgia conflict being the first of many “3am phone calls” - and he isn’t even the official nominee yet. Did it occur to him there will be real world problems and he cannot just tell them he objects to war and to stop and that we need a president who understands the nuances and history of the political landscape?
Give us Hillary or give us McCain.
If he is Indonesian-Kenyan-Canadian-Hawaiian, his “citizen of the world” remark makes sense.
He is full of BS, that is for sure.
BO or BS - either way it stinks!
Yes, one way we are f____ed, the other we are screwed.
From BO to BS. How ironic.
Aaaand both eminate from a host….check the bottom of your shoes….Wherever Obama is…
As the Romans say : Semper In Excremento. Sole Profundum Qui Variat.
( Always in the Shit….Only the depth varies…)
BS BO heck they both stink!
I hope they haven’t already ordered the china and bath towels.
Maybe he was born JUNIOR…and when he changed his name back from Soetoro to Obama, he, not knowing any better, used “The Second” instead of Junior.
His high school yearbook has him as Obama. I know it is a private school, but surely he had to show SOME documentation to matriculate. I’m guessing he changed the name back when he returned from Indonesia, probably around the time Lolo and Ann were having marital difficulities.
his father visited hawaii about that time also. hmmmm
I thought it was a little strange that his mother took 10 yr. old BO to Kenya to visit his father. Picture of Sr. with Stanley Ann looks like they were still friendly.
Incooooooooooming!
I’ve pretty much shut up about Obambi the Nigerian and Umbanga the Malay but….
Ohbahan the Pakistani?
Shit how namy identities does this love child of Howie and Donna’s have?
http://forums.gunboards.com/showpost.php?p=396421&postcount=1
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/790010787.html
He went to pakistan while in college and has some interesting connections, 1st article
He may ahve went to mecca on the way, 2nd article
I’ve been reading Obama Nation and it is devasting too. Lots and lots of documentation on the mysterious aspects of Obama’s life. In Hawaii, in Indonesia, in Kenya and his recent political involvements there. I’m clear he can never be my C-in-C.
Corsi, the writer of that book, is a shameless liar and not to be trusted. IMHO the only useful information in that book is to see how the GOP is planning to Swiftboat Obama. It’s not going to break my heart because I do not want Obama to be elected. I am just saying there are enough true facts about Obama that are reasons people should not vote for him, and I believe in sticking to the facts. Corsi can’t be trusted to stick to facts.
You make a good point. Whether or not all the factoids are correct, there will not be time to refute them in the general election, so it is interesting to see what the talking points will be.
I, too, will be sticking to facts. Besides being enough facts to validly reject Obama, Obamaphiles will point to ONE falsehood, plus Corsi’s past history of fomenting wild conspiracies such as the overthrow of the dollar in favor of a fictional “amero” to discount ALL the arguments against Obama.
heck, after this i’m not too sure he can be elected again for the senate.
If we could only be sure of that!
wow wow wow wow, this is so exciting
here’s the RMN link
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/06/things-you-might-not-know-about-barack-obama/?partner=yahoo_headlines
Oh God, please end this year soon!
We’ve seen the Republicans in action before. The Dems are trying to play a game they can’t win.
PUMAs have been trying to show the Dems the error of their ways in a civil and polite way. You are right Larry, the red flags have been raised and ignored. Now they will have to face the Republicans. I wouldn’t want to be them.
Another red flag is how civil and polite the Republicans have been. It’s almost like they have become what the Democrats once were - but I don’t believe that for a second. Everyone can see they are chomping at the bit. I have to give them credit for patience.
It’s like the DNC has lost all sense of reality. If Hillary had been the nominee, the Republicans would have had to use the same tired ammunition they’ve been using for 16 years. Everyone is immune to that now.
Dumb Dumb Dumb DNC.
“It’s like the DNC has lost all sense of reality. If Hillary had been the nominee, the Republicans would have had to use the same tired ammunition they’ve been using for 16 years. Everyone is immune to that now.”
Exactly…plus the more exposure she got the more people saw what a contrast the real woman is compared to the hyperventilating hyperbole.
So our theory about the BC and the Indonesian adoption/citizenship were correct!
However, I think that Rocky Mt. story about Kenyan citizenship is not well sourced (I have spoken with the reporter).
agreed. And yes you were right! Excellent work!
Even though it may not be well-sourced, it’s out there and you know how incorrect info seems to stick even after it’s proven wrong later…
Which leads to another question–if not well-sourced, why was it included in the story?? Who put it there? Why would a reporter include it if he knew it wasn’t well-sourced?????
Who is behind it then??
I think he thought it was accurate, but then I talked to him and he realized maybe it needed to be checked.
Darlin,
Your Indonesian angle is the right stuff, I think. The legal position vis a vis Indonesia’s citizenship rules is the clincher. For Barry to have stayed there during the time he was there, he had to be a Citizen of Indonesia and a Muslim by Indonesian adoption law. This is where the hook really lies. Indonesia would have required that Barry’s U.S. Citizenship be revoked in order to give citizenship to Barry as the adopted Soetero son.
The documents previously shown here on NQ indicate this. Research was awesome on this.
Great Job!
You’re making things up again. All of this has been debunked. The rest of the world knows how to google.
PONY UP…Debbie clone # 12…..
Thanks Texas Darling.. I was trying to find the Inn at the end of that road.
Texas Darling my posts are not posting on your site!
I left two posts there yesterday about the fact that you have to produce an original BC (copies won’t do) to get an US passport issued in your name. And we know that O has a passport has he travelled in Europe recently. So he has a US BC.
Also, remember how he went balistic few months ago when there was a low level breach in his passport records!!!
Obama probably had a family passport as a child that he shared with his Mom, using her documents. Then he just used the family passport as proof when he needed his own.
BO’s campaign advisor hired the temps (owned the company) who went into the passport files, but that was not mentioned in the MSM.
are you sure about that? if that’s true, it definitely points to barky having something to hide.
YES! It’s true. The other two were fired, the Obama’s “Hiker” wasn’t. WHY?
I didn’t have to use a BC for my passport.
TD, you have done a great job on this story. Thanks for all the hard work. I think the Indonesian connection will be the key to his downfall, too.
I have one more paranoid theory niggling at my mind. The papers that said his mother was a light-skinned Kenyan(I think it was Kenyan) added to the fact that Stanley Ann supposedly went to Kenya and then returned within a short period of time in her ninth month of pregnancy has me wondering. I believe it would have been impossible for her to get any airline to let her fly at that stage of pregnancy. So, what if she was not pregnant at all? What if her new found love needed her to bring a child back to this country from Kenya? What if she went and picked up the baby, then flew back to Washington, stopping by to visit her friend. Her friend said she didn’t know how to change a diaper. Then she stayed in Seattle for a while taking classes at the college before going back to Hawaii.
That’s as far as I have gone with it and it won’t matter since the Indonesia part of it will disqualify him. This whole thing just has more questions than answers. LOL I just can’t quit guessing, I will be glad when the Reps give us all the answers.
Long ago and far away, someone on another blogsite, reported that her family lived in Kenya at the time of BO’s birth and that Stanley Ann was there in her 9th month, was refused flight on the plane, had the baby there but immediately thereafter returned to the US to record his birth. Don’t know how that squares with any of the sup[posedly known facts. Lots of smoke blown about his birth by someone for some reason.
Where does Pakistan fit into the story?
Yeah, I was just going to ask the same question. What about Pakistan and Barry? This is not a good country to be linked with even if the US has been courting them for a while here. What gives?
Traveled there on his Indonesian passport?
I think you’re right on this, TD.
I think Barry may not only be trying to get some sort of ‘authentic’ COLB/BC while in HI but also trying to talk through with the proper HI officials about who are going to be the patsies to take the fall when all of this comes to light and he is exposed as having perpetrated a fraud with the forged COLB both on his own website and by giving a false document to Kos. Or, knowing Barry, he could just be trying to intimidate the proper HI officials from disclosing the truth about the apparent Maya Soetoro COLB forgery.
There is so much smoke here, and the DNC doesn’t realize or seem to care that it is choosing to set itself ablaze.
exactly; he’s probably offering them posts in his new administration or plain cold, hard cash in exchange for them stonewalling any upcoming investigation.
Bingo!
They might even come up with what passport was used by BO to enter Indonesia from Hawaii.
When money is buying, I love to see if it was well spent.
TD you and your fearless hound dogs ( I’m a native texan and this is a compliment in light of this story…) have stayed on the scent….
Barry will soon hear the ” Hounds of Hell ” followed by the FURIES….
True Patriots….I salute you
I hope that the larger lesson of the Edwards story is not being lost on them …
I bought The Obama Nation last Sunday, am half way through it…The parts about Rezko are really shocking!
Is he so arrogant that he would hide the name Soetoro because it didn’t fit with the narrative?
Like now he really can’t claim the African American experience, which is his whole thing?
Lots of people rediscover their own roots, rename themselves, why did he hide?
its the indonesian citizenship….and his continued holding of such, in my view.
snatching defeat from teh jaws of victory!
No matter what his name is, he cannot claim an African American heritage the way I can. His father was African, not American.
Yeah i Heard Barbra Streisand is renaming herself to Barbra Obama too…you know now that she supports Obama.
Edwards bamboozled us over his affair, and Obama hoodwinked us every time he opened his mouth!
Edwards got us coming, Obama got us going.
And then there’s Hillary all out there alone….
I think you mean John Edwards got himself coming…
Well,
If he does any coming he’ll probably be doing it alone, at least for the foreseeable future.
John Edwards…chuckle….has painted the doghouse white…..
Considering his mistress’ family is stirring up some turds now, this could turn out to be a symbolic fatal attraction. I have the distinct feeling this woman may have some bottles missing from her six pack. We shall see.
LOL….Quick! Somebody…call Dr. Phil…..chuckle….
Sorry to see Liz suffer…but hey….it’s all pretty funny….
I tried to make a point on another thread concerning the ‘women’ in these scenarios, but there’s always a kneejerk response regarding women.
No doubt about it, John Edwards is a jerk. But revelations about this women are certainly interesting and not surprising to me.
yup, she doesn’t want a paternity test for privacy reasons. yeah sure! end of free ride, mam.
It’s all so obvious to everybody except him and his circle.
Count Us Out actually broke this yesterday….and I have it my “Past Week Post” scheduled to be published at Midnight…http//insightanalytical.wordpess.com
They deserve a hat tip:
“Did you know that Obama holds dual citizenship in the US and Kenya? With all the controversy about his birth certificate and what he may be hiding, I found this interesting that a part of the mainstream media (and in Denver, no less!) decided to cough up some facts about the Chosen One.
Hat tip to Count Us Out, which posted the story from the Rocky Mountain News on August 8. The story was called “Things You Might Not Know About Barack Obama.”"
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
I was actually shocked to see it yesterday in a mainstream publication….when does it show up somewhere else??
See my question about this higher up in the thread…
A planned leak by whom?
I really don’t think this part is accurate, at least it’s not the most important.
The more important issue is Indonesian citizenship. In fact, the Kenyan thing could be a diversion.
It’s the Indonesian identity and citizenship there was a concerted effort to hide.
YOU WOULDN’T think the Kenya thing is just a diversion if you read “Obama the ODM Candidate for President” - posted at Rense site.
His relationships there are a danger to US National Security!
100%, If the Rocky Mountains story is shaky and questionable, they want to implant the Indonesian adn the BC,to look dubious. I think so, but I don’t know if I’m right.GOD BLESS YOU TD.
Yes Gloria I saw it a few days ago too. But then again, it needed confirmation.
“It is amazing what money can buy.”
Truer words have never been spoken.
The DC Mediagirl broadcast was very good.
Is Obama what happens when lots of money replaces outrage? Where is the outrage among the Superdelegates?
Kennedy should be ashamed of himself!
I’m not EVEN bothering with that fool, Edwards and his WIFE who knew all of this! ! They are both sellouts!
One search of “Obama Kenyan citizenship” reveals that this story is presently flying fast across the internets.
Larry Johnson you are awesome and amazing!
I am a glued to this website - the only place I feel I can trust. Also, I am in awe that you are working for the actual good of this country.
A heartfelt thank you, Larry Johnson!!!!!
You know everybody, there should be about 18 million lawsuits lodged against the DNC with Dean, Pelosi, Brazille, Reid and all the other people that fixed this election. I know that during the primaries, my husband and I gave small amounts of money to Hillary’s campaign and since then my husband lost one of the two jobs he had. Those small amounts added up. We could use that money now. We are struggling as I know alot of Hillary’s supporters are. Some of the people who donated to her were jobless and suffering from cancer and yet donated to what they felt was a fair fight. If sue banks, tobacoo industries, insurance industries, etc., why not collectively sue the damn crooked DNC and it’s fraudulent cronies. Oh and BTW don’t forget the ONE and puppetmaster Assholerod.
meant to say if you can sue banks —-sorry
I was wondering today if the DNC could be subject to a class action suit by contributors for playing so fast and loose with the rules. That would send Dean’s head spinning.
NOW THIS IS AN INTRIGUING CONCEPT.
Sorry, I was excited.
It could be a 50 state deal. Filing fees in state courts are much cheaper than federal, and there are lawyers in every state who would make the motion pro bono.
Imagine a 50 state reverse strategy that bites Dean in the ass big time, at the convention.
Hardly impossible.
I like the way you think!
Ms. Shouldn’t it be a 57 state lawsuit,after all the chosen one visited 57 states
chuckle.
just being a wise ass
I cannot wait for this all to unfold
bye bye bambi
Well hold on, How many states would O, in his Fantasy of Hope, reign over? Let count this properly : 50 American States, plus Kenya + Indonesia + Pakistan… We are getting close guys !!!!
Comment by Ms. Misdemeanor has a point.
How about an 18 million class action suit against the DNC’s fraudulent selection of a nominee that is so unfit to be our President.
Where’s the ACLU when you need them?
Hundreds of millions of dollars were wasted on a candidate who could not even qualify on the basis of citizenship requirements, and the DNC allowed this to happen. I hope they get hit by class action lawsuits from all the contributors who trusted them to properly vet the Messiah but failed to do so spectacularly.
So many possibilities. Some dont look kosher but the Indonesian / Soetaro adoption does look promising.
Think of Indonesia in the 60s - wow they wee murdering millions for communist sympathies. Not a hot bed of civil rights.
Being dark skinned was not uncommon -eg Indonesia had just taken over Irian Jaya but these ‘natives’ were rounded up & done in also.
Barry seemingly would have had to had the protection of legal adoption.
I might be wrong but I know dark skinned east timorese who were hunted thru the jungle like dogs in 1975.
http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=731
Andy Martin Feb. 2007
“Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. On his senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told him, that he also held/holds Kenyan nationality.”
RMN publishing this story gives it legs.
Run!
the kenyan piece is I think a diversion. He could have lost his kenyan citizenship at 21 just by not doing anything. He had it at birth.
Its Indonesia.
I’m australian and my son was born and raised in New York. I obtained an Australian passport for him by right of paternity, but he has never traveled on it and regards himself as 100% American.
Much as Obama is a contemptible opportunist, race hustler and all-around fraud, I don’t think you can blame him if his dad scored him a fresh passport.
In my son’s case, should he wish to avail himself of low-cost college education in Australia, then he is free to do so.
But if he ever runs for President — and I hope I raised him better than that — he can hardly be blamed for the fact that his mother fell in love with an Antipodean Love God.
Larry and others keep talking about the Whitey Tape but it is never produced. Now they say the Republicans will release it after the DNC. Guess we’ll all just have to wait for that to happen. But from what I’ve seen on this web site, I wouldn’t hold my breath.
You have at least 4 different places of birth for Obama and five countries of citizenship. Yet nothing has been presented to prove any of this. Try peddling this story to the National Enquirer. Maybe after that, the MSN will finally run the story.
Guess we’ll just have to wait to see who is right on this. See ya after the convention.
I would suggest you do hold your breath. Begin now.
Nope, not gonna do it.
hey look even the Obama supporters are sounding like Bush, albeit Sr.
hey look now BO’s supporters are sounding like Bush, albeit Sr.
Remember Dana Carvey? Na Ga Da
hey anchovy. do your own reading, smartass. There is plenty there. You are irrelevant here as you are uniformed.
Um Joy, The National Enquirer broke the John Edwards story…right now they have more credibility than the MSM. But thanks for stopping by. Twit.
Duh,Berry Barky, I think we all got the fact the National Enquirer was all over the Edwards Story going back to last fall while the MSM was silent. So the suggestion to peddle it to the National Enquirer.
Come back here after the convention and let’s see whose the clever one. Barky is a liar and a fool. The Republicans will do what they do best, tear his scrawney ass to shreds. I’m actually going to enjoy it this year.
Then that will be something Hillary couldn’t do.
Yup because Hillary has something called integrity…look it up.
Integrity! That’s based on things like keeping your word right? Like saying you’ll raise money for BOBO and then doing it and like saying you’ll campaigning for BOBO then doing it and like saying you oppose telecom immunity and then doing it…
….yup, integrity. It’s a good quality to have in a president
There is a reason it’s called “October” surprise. Or maybe you’re not familiar with that concept??
Cracy08, can you tell me the last October Surprise that impacted a presidential election?
Last presidential cycle, many said Shrub would present a captured OBL to the world. Well it didn’t happen. So can you tell me an October surprise other than Halloween. Trick or treat.
1980 Reagan campaign team Bill Allen travels to Paris secretly negotiates with Iran’s emmissaries to delay the release of the 52 American hostages in exchange for later receiving weapons in a Reagan Administration later to be called Iran-Contra.
Imusprotest, you are right on the meeting. The Reagan group did try to keep the 52 US hostages held by Iran from being released before the election. Wow what a great bunch of American patriots there.
But Barky loves Reagan. He says he was a better President than Bill Clinton.
There were two surprises.
1) Swift Boat Vets for the Truth.
2) Osama Bin Laden video threatening to strike the US.
OBL had been threating the US for years and on video so I don’t call this an October surprise. Kinda like what’s new.
As for the Swift Boaters, its Bush II’s versions of Bush I’s Willie Horton ad. More Texas Rrepublican backed ads.
Idiot, they held onto the tape until they needed it. And the Swiftboaters sunk Kerry’s boat and Horton sunk Dukakis…your point is?
I thought Horton heard a Who…..
Berry Bark, calm down. Neither ad could be called an October surprise. For one, they came out before October and two it was no surprise that Perry would drag up someone to oppose Kerry’s Viet Nam service. Money does a lot of things.
And for the Willie Horton ad, Dukakis was sunk as soon as the pictures showed up with him in the tank.
That picture always reminded me of that thingy at ChuckeeCheese where the kids would whack those gophers that popped up…
Whack-A-Mole!
tape came out Oct 29, seems like October to me.
me o free o, we were talking about ads dude, ads. Please try to keep up.
Stupid Joy.
Chuckle….reminds me of an old hippie pal of mine who penned his own version of a X-mas carol….
Joy to the Squirrels…and Nuts to you….
Let Helen and Rachel do their thing….
Nuts to you….Joy! Now waddle back to GAZA and tell the overseers to send more entertaining trolls
Workingass person, there is just me here and I live in Bush Land aka Texas.
I’m skeptical as to your claim of residence JOY…I live in the mildly fascist republic of Texas….You sound like you’re a troll form GAZA….crockodile tears much ?
I can assure you I live in Bush Land…#49 in education and #1 in executions. Well one year Oklahoma beat us (in executions that is) but we took the lead the next year
You are correct Joy and we are all wrong.
It will actually be exposing of the facts by the oppo in September, October and November as well as the last few days of August, and it will not technically be a surprise since many are aware of the dozens of “whitey tape” level issues that will sink him for good.
Lemmings - that cliff we’ve warned you about for months is just around the next bend.
Joy, don’t say we didn’t warn you daily and in hundreds of ways for the past 6 months.
We do not share your joy, Joy, and by we I mean the immense opposition forces united against Ob.
Clinton Fan, let’s see if I have this correct. You have known for months that there is a Whitey tape but can not find and produce it.
All the while, the Republicans found it and will produce it after Obama is the Democratic candidate. If that is the case, then the Republicans deserve to win. They out hustled you and got the goods on Obama.
Joy, you are supremely boring.
Bush didn’t need an October surprise. He had Diebold.
Nancy only name, Bush didn’t need Diebold. He had Jeb, Katherine Harris, and the family retainer, Claence Thomas.
swift boat and John Kerry
“Kiss Him Good Bye”
Obama will lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBIwYl8HG7I
He’s not my type. I’ll just wave. And enjoy it.
I wouldn’t be ‘dissing the National Enquirer…they’re more reliable than NBC or the NY TImes. And they know a story when the see it, just ask John Edwards.
Joy, there were many nay-sayers about the John Edwards rumors and that story isn’t over yet. All the money given to that woman who now refuses to subject her baby to a paternity test. There was/is a huge cover-up. No one except Larry Johnson has asked a question about Obama’s knowledge about this affair either and that would seem to be a reasonable question. He accepted Edwards endorsement after the WV primary, which Hillary won by a large margin, and all the news from msn was about the endorsement, not Hillary’s win. Hillary won SD by a large margin and even though Obama had been predicted to win that state, the SDs stepped in and his loss there was never mentioned. Is there anyone home at the new DNC headquarters in Chicago?
elsie, at first the MSM gave Hillary all the press as the front runner. Then Obama came on strong and out organized Hillary and then the MSM fell in live with Obama. You won’t get me to disagree that many of them hosed Hillary, especially MSNBC.
Larry and others seems to diminish their cause when they talk about a Whitey tape and then none is produced. The same about the B/C. It is possible that Obama may have been adopted by his stepfather but I doubt the Kenya birth. But we get many wild stories. I still say take what you have to the National Enquirer. They have the $ to track this down.
Larry never said he had the whitey tape. LOL it’s a little difficult to produce it when you don’t have it don’t you think? or….don’t you think?
When the national news media fail to do their jobs, others take up the slack with underground newspapers in the past, tabloid journals and Internet now. There has been a lot of research by TexasDarlin, Larry Johnson and others here and some confusion. However, there is enough doubt to try to resolve it before convention where everything could end up in the toilet if some effort isn’t made to clarify,
Why if the Obama camp is not afraid of the tape do they have their comments ready…such as she did not say whitey…she is saying why didn’t he?
Secondly if they are so dame proud of the job MO is doing, why does she need a stand in for the new photo shoot?
Do you think MO will stand by her man, or just say “This is not the Barack I know”, and throw him under his own bus?
Overseas papers are starting to pick it up….Wait for the Brits….It’ll hit MSM Newsporn soon after the Brits…..That is the usual pattern….
Larry has said from the beginning that the GOP has the tape and would release it after the convention.
Pressure should be put on the Republicans to give up the goods. Otherwise this election reeks of a tin horn dictatorship. I am going to email the RNC with
a request to release all info. prior to the Democratic convention. 18,000,000 voters deserve better than to have an election played with.
Anyone agree with me?
I agree with what you said. When the Michelle tape was first being discussed, I said the Republicans risked a backlash by holding info back until after the convention. I’m pretty sure they would rather risk that than run against Hillary.
democracy first…we need to force the issue with the Republicans. I believe as well that if we emailed Sean Hannity with these concerns that we feel our election is being stolen by the Democrats AND the Republicans. We might get some action. I just don’t believe its right that we have soldiers fighting in Iraq while our political parties are playing games. I have family there.
This isn’t a game. Our soldiers fight and die for our freedom, our votes.
The least we can do, is to preserve our rights.
Don’t know that would work — but it’s worth a try — send a message to him. I’m sure others will too. I would.
Democracyfirst, your comment gave me something to think about. What happens if Hillary is not the VP nominee and Obama is found to be ineligible? Does that mean the VP nominee becomes the nominee for president with a new VP chosen? Would they have a new convention? Can you imagine the DNC choosing someone other than the person who has received more popular votes than any primary candidate in history? The Republicans would win in a landslide. I am really so angry. I stopped watching MSNBC and CNN months ago and started watching FOX (I used to walk out to the room if my husband watched it), but I have felt for a while they have been tiptoeing around Obama, just nibbling at the edges on the issues. But they have been all over the Edwards story for two weeks while everyone else was, apparently, ignoring it and some “progressive” blogs defending him. I believe Edwards is still lying. I was still watching CNN when Edwards withdrew and they were saying he would probably be nominated by Obama as AG. I don’t make moral judgements about the sex lives of anyone, but the question is the same one I have about Obama. How vulnerable would he have been to blackmail or extortion if he had become AG? What is wrong with them?
The problem becomes the filing deadline to get on the ballot in the 50 states. Filing deadlines in some states for candidates for POTUS and VP from major parties nominating at convention is, 24 hours after the convention.
I’m not sure what you are saying, the party has 24 hrs to file or those contesting have 24 hrs to file?
Each state has a different time frame but some require filing for the ballot, 24 hours after nomination. And some have challenge limits up to 3 days after ballot nominations papers are filed. So, you have to look up the law in each state you want to launch the challenge.
I’ve seen the whitey tape. It’s nothing. It features Michelle Obama asking rhetorical questions about George Bush. Why’d he do this? Why’d he do that? It sounds like she’s saying whitey. It’s absolutely nothing in a box.
BS, You’ve seen the Whitey Tape, you liar. Obama’s campaign put that story out; they mention Katrina which didn’t happen in 2004 but 2005.
The Whitey Tape was at the Sheraton in 2004 where MO participated in a Women’s Panel. She started out talking about Rwanda and Bill Clinton. Then, she was talking about whites oppressing blacks. She talked about black on black crime, then she has a total meltdown, says blacks should be killing whites instead and goes totally nuclear.
Floating Hope, how do you know what is on the tape? Have you heard it?
The panel was moderated by ABC Channel 7, who refuses to release its footage of the event, unless order to by a court.
I am on a very limited income, but cared enough to make sacrafices for Senator Clinton. What a huge waste of campaign money!
sayitisn’tso, we have donated beyond our means to Hillary and I don’t regret a dime of it. It is an investment in the future of my children and grandchildren. I have complete trust in Hillary Clinton to do exactly what she said she would do, keep working for me and have my back as i will try to do for her. If she is defeated by the system, it won’t effect my faith or optimism for a different kind of future. just to know she is there after all she has been through, is enough. She is a righteous campaigner and no quitter.
I donated money to Hillary as well, it was far from thousands of dollars, but I did my part.
The woman was willing to go into debt because she knows that she is the best person for the job, she’s willing to fight for this and I back her up on this 100%.
I contributed to Hillary’s campaign EVERY WEEK, regular as clockwork!! Depending on my tips each week, I sent $50 or $100 every week for months on end, right up until she “conceded”, and for 2 weeks after. Then I started getting email from Barack Obama’s campaign, and I knew there was no way they would have MY email address, or be bugging me for money, unless HILLARY had made an agreement to give over all her fund-raising info. I totally understand this, especially if he agreed to help her
retire her campaign debt (and little fricking help did he give her!)
I would LOVE to help her more, but now I have doubts where the money goes, and I would rather sever my own arm with a butter knife than contribute
to Obama’s campaign, in ANY WAY.
Rebecca,
The DNC in conjunction with the obamacrat coup had their own database.
Hillary did not let them have HER database of supporters and her site contributions still go to her.
You must have been on the DNC list to receive ob mail.
Hillary did ask for contributions to ob, but she linked to a different donation site which was set up for him. The regular Hillary donation site goes entirely to eliminating her debt.
I too gave what I could afford and feel as if the DNC had planned all along to railroad the sham and give him the “uncommitted” votes and allow him to get away with voter fraud by groups such as ACORN and Moveon. That they permitted it and hijacked the election for ob and they were complicit in undermining Hillary every step of the way, it isn’t far-fetched we could submit a class action suit against the DNC and demand them to repay our Hillary donations to us. She acted in good-faith and did what she said she would do. The DNC and Ob camp are the guilty parties and should be sued for theft.
I agree with Karen. I know the DNC turned my name and email address over to NObama. I know for a fact Hillary did NOT. Because I gave Hillary my personal friends and family email address. I have not gotten one pro- Obambi or DNC email on that address. On another address the DNC had, I have been flooded with Barky emails.
flying, That’s the LEAST we should do! I just tried to leave an email on Edward’s campaign website, OF COURSE….it wasn’t available.
Read my post above. We will prevail if we do not falter.
It sure would be nice if someone would shove this up the super delegates asses before the convention so Hillary can be the nominee.
This is great research about Obama and should be used now to take him out of the race.
It should have been used a long time ago.
I want it to help Hillary not McCain.
Can someone help Hillary?
Just today, courtesy of the Rocky Mountain News, we confirmed that Barack aka Barry Soetoro Obama was a citizen of Kenya since 1963. Barack has yet to stipulate when he renounced or relinquished that citizenship.
Because he himself never did renounce it or relinquish it. He didn’t have to.
This all traces back to a Political Gateway article by Andy Martin way back in February of 2007 (yes, that’s February 2007, not 2008).
It begins with the following breathless announcement:
ANNOUNCEMENT OF BLOCKBUSTER CHICAGO NEWS CONFERENCE DISCLOSING THAT UNDER KENYAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, BARACK OBAMA IS A KENYAN CITIZEN
He goes on to say:
Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. He has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship.
If this so-called “journalist” hadn’t been so lazy and actually done the work of any decent journalist, he would have bothered to read the rest of the Kenyan Constitution.
If he had, he would have found this (from Chapter VI, Section 97, Clause 1 concerning dual citizenship):
A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
In other words, Obama didn’t have to renounce anything!
Unless he’d renounced his US citizenship, taken an oath of allegiance to Kenya, and further taken up residence in Kenya, whatever Kenya citizenship he may have had ceased to exist automatically when he turned 21.
That will be a distracting issue in the upcoming campaign. Americans don’t want to elect a Kenyan as President. It is that simple.
Then perhaps the Obama campaign can hire TexasDarlin’s own Judah Benjamin to help them dispel that myth:
He was not required under Kenyan Law to make any Formal Renunciation and any statements to the contrary previously made by myself, or other persons, such as Andy Martin, are wrong according to the Kenyan Constitution. –Judah Benjamin
se
I’m pretty sure that just having once held Kenyan citizenship disqualifies him from being POTUS.
I’m pretty sure that just having once held Kenyan citizenship disqualifies him from being POTUS.
Not according to any law on the books. And even if you consider the original intent of Article II, that of divided loyalty, he was never really anything more than a citizen of circumstance.
se
Well then, did he renounce his citizenship to Kenya and or Indonesia? If no, why not?
He didn’t renounce the citizenships because he is “a citizen of the world.”
even if he is not disqualified on the basis of ever having held two citizenships, it is fact that in order to be a natural born citizen under the law during the time he was born one parent would have had to have been a citizen and have lived within the US for 10 years prior to his birth with 5 of those years being after the age of 16. She was at most 20 years old when Obama was born which leaves him only a naturalized citizen. Therefore ineligible.
You folks are really off the wall. None of that is true.
actually if she was unmarried, she would only have to be in the US for one year. The section of the law you quote is for legitimate children born outside the US
That doesn’t mean voters will accept him as POTUS. It would make me really think hard about it even if I was backing him. In these days of terrorism, I would not want to risk him and any disloyalty.
Not to mention, that youtube video where he will not put his hand over his heart during the national anthem made me realize that he does not love America! Even when I have been disgusted with my government, I have never been unable or unwilling to salute the flag during the national anthem! That was one of probably 200 ah-huh moments about Obama and in my decision why I will nto vote for him!
Yes, but he still had two citizenships, at least, at one time. That’s the thing. He is a citizen of the world and not natural born.
There may be an issue if he ever used a Kenyan passport after the age of twenty one. Stranger now the bridged passport files. There are sufficient questions to require a certification of eligibility. This isn’t a game of one-up-manship. I’m sure no one wants a president who might be vulnerable to extortion or blackmail by another country and no Democrat should be willing to put the future of the party in further jeopardy. No doubt anything negative wouldn’t be well recieved by his supporters, but they can’t elect him without Independent voters and only three fourths of the Dems. people really need to be resonable and if there is no problem, nothing to worry about, right?
Which is more fatal, a damaging blow or a thousand cuts? The latter just takes longer. We’ll wait it out.
It’s Christmas in August!!!!! Outstanding work, Larry!!
It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up.
Add this to the list of things Obama has not been truthful about.
The way it came out so nonchalantly, it makes you wonder if he (his campaign) leaked this deliberately before the republicans used it against him.
I was wondering about this too, because Corsi says he used mostly references and words from Obama.
Still, unless it makes MSM, it won’t do anything because not many people are hearing about this stuff.
But Larry, you have these connections and yet, can’t you get something to get this out before the convention???
Also, if BO is really BS and ineligible, even after the nomination, doesn’t the DNC have a right to pull him and run Hillary? I guess I am thinking if a candidate died or had been found guilty of murder or something, of course you are not still going to run them just because they are an official nominee!!! That is just stupid and there must be a remedy for that possibilty, isn’t there???? If he could not be replaced after a certain date, why nto just cancel the election and let the other guy win by default.
I am really sick of our stupid Government!
Did a Google search on “Can a U.S. President have a Dual Citizenship?”. The answer:
Yes. The Constitution does not say anything to that effect, but I agree that a US president shouldn’t, because he would owe allegiance to two countries. Would it not be a conflict of interests?
I don’t see how there would be any conflict of interest since Obama never did anything to gain Kenyan citizenship nor did he have to do anything to relinquish it. He was a citizen by circumstance, not of volition.
se
It does not matter whether “he was a citizen of circumstance.” The issue when there is a dual citizenship: which country does the President have an allegiance?
For example, if Obama becomes POTUS and the US needs to take action (military, monetary, etc.) against Kenya, can Obama put America first without having an allegiance to his family and associates in Kenya?
These are issues considered when giving individuals security clearances.
It does not matter whether “he was a citizen of circumstance.” The issue when there is a dual citizenship: which country does the President have an allegiance?
For example, if Obama becomes POTUS and the US needs to take action (military, monetary, etc.) against Kenya, can Obama put America first without having an allegiance to his family and associates in Kenya?
Instead of answering your question, let me put this in a more proper perspective and then see if you can answer your own question.
You’re born in the United States. And by every letter and intent of Article II, there’s absolutely no reason or question that you would not someday qualify to hold the office of President of the United States.
In every sense you can say that this is your birthright.
Everything’s just fine until you’re two years old. At that point in time, some third-world shithole gains its independence after having been a British colony. And they draft a constitution that says you are now a citizen of that country simply because your father was a citizen of that country.
And just like that you have dual citizenship, and as others would argue, this should disqualify you or anyone else from holding the office of President of the United States.
Think about that. Some other country has just taken away your birthright.
So instead of asking whether having held dual citizenship in a situation like this should disqualify one from holding the office of President, ask yourself if some other country should be able to rob you of your birthright.
Forget about Obama. If this is to disqualify Obama, it would also have to disqualify anyone else. Maybe even someone you’d actually want to see be elected President.
So do you think some other country should be able to rob you of your birthright because of a piece of paper?
I don’t think so.
se
Uhm, don’t mean to heap too much sarcasm here (maybe just a little), but I thought Obama was a citizen of the world?
What you think or feel about his eligibility is unimportant. The issue needs to be decided by independent Constitutional Law scholars. How do you “se” he didn’t renew his Kenyan citizenship by applying for a Kenyan passport? Or that any direct action was taken by Kenya to remove his citizenship? No one is trying to steal his birth right, but decisions made by his parents could have done so leaving him no option as an adult. There are other questions also, re. any legal name change. He was adopted so, according to Hawaii State Law, his original birth certificate was sealed and that isn’t due to any decision he made either, but it doesn’t change the fact that he would have had to have his name legally changed back to Obama. He just needs to answer some questions. Did he ever travel on a Kenyan or Indonesian passport after the age of twenty one and did he have his name legally changed. Then Con. Law experts can make a decision, unless you are an expert. But given your bias, that might not be enough for everyone and could cost him the election is there were lingering doubts. If he doesn’t come clean, he is toast. If the Republicans have this information, they will certainly use it and it won’t matter how many times you (or he) says distraction, silliness or DC politics.
don’t try to get se started on Election issues. se doesn’t care about the election.
Doesn’t work that way. If you have two parents, both U. S. citizens, there is no question of citizenship, not native born, problem. You have one parent (mother or father) born in a foreign country who claims you as a citizen of their country and one parent born in the U. S. and the U.S. claims you as a citizen; ergo dual citizenship.
When American women marry foreigners and move to their husband’s country, their rights as a U. S. citizen are not always recognized since women are second class citizens and subject to their husband’s control. And if you think that isn’t true, I suggest you do a search for the number of women who have lost custody of their children in foreign countries. There is even a movie “Not Without My Daughter” based on the true story of a U.S. citizen’s escape with her dual citizenship daughter.
And no one robbed Obama of his “birthright” unless it was his mother when she married a Kenyan. His father’s nationality is equal to his mother’s nationality where citizenship is concerned. Your statement sounds like you think other countries can not determine citizenship based on their own laws regarding their own citizens. This isn’t a “piece of paper” designed to “rob” anyone; it’s international laws designed to protect the children of parents of all nations.
And seeing it only in terms of how Obama is effected is rather narrow minded.
you can argue all you want.
IT IS THE LIE, AND THE DECEPTION OF WHO HE IS. IF HE NEVER LEGALLY CHANGED HIS NAME, HE HAS VIOLATED MANY STATE LAWS
AMERICANS WILL NEVER TRUST HIM TO TELL THE TRUTH, AND WILL NOT TRUST THE DEMOCRATS WHO ENABLED HIM.
Then why was Obama in Kenya supporting his cousin Odinga? He must feel some loyalty.
Obama romanticized Kenya and his father to the point he challenged his half-brother Mark over his decision to settle ELSEWHERE and “losing” Kenya! Mark tried to disillusion Barry and told him point-blank that their dad was a drunk who mistreated his women and children.
And Barry tried to paint that as Mark *avoiding* his African roots. Too bad it’s not Mark who’s running instead. He sounds like a man who faces up to facts.
Sadly, Mark’s brother did stay in Kenya…and followed in O Sr’s footsteps, killing himself in a drunk driving motor vehicle wreck.
Tony….Read Benjamin’s articles at Texas Darlin…..Googgle aint’ God and Wiki aint’ the congressional Library…..mkay ?
at the very least all the repubs and hillary democrats will reject him as cic.
If your line of work requires you to have a security clearance for accessing classified US government information, you may very possibly find that actively acquiring or retaining a foreign citizenship may cause you to be refused clearance (or may cause a clearance you already have to be revoked). If this might affect you, you would be well advised to consult with a knowledgeable lawyer planning to seek a political office in the US — especially in the federal government — it is extremely possible that having a second citizenship may be a serious liability
“I’m pretty sure that just having once held Kenyan citizenship disqualifies him from being POTUS.”
I Don’t think so. Here are the Constitutional criteria under Article II section 1:
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
I think the BC is a much bigger problem.
You are right. I just researched it - no mention of dual citizenship. Apparently it is allowed as long as the person is a natural born citizen of the U.S.
That being said, I think a lot of people would not be comfortable voting for someone whose allegiance may be questionable. In Obama’s case, some people are already questioning his devotion to this country.
Has Article ll ever had to be defined in terms of eligibility? I’m not sure dual or multiple citizenship has ever been addressed or the intended definition of Natural Citizen as it relates to an American president. There are only three questions ever raised as far as I was able to find:
1)Al Gore was born in the District of Columbia
2)Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became a state.
3)John McCain born on a US Naval base in the Canal Zone.
There was never a court case involving any of those three, but surely, this is a little more complicated since none of the three ever held citizenship in another country or had a parent not at US Citizen. Did he have a Kenyan or Indonesian passport? The presidency is unique in it’s qualifications. There is no other office with that requirement. At the very least, it would be a serious challenge.
Even assuming BO at one time satisfied both requirements for POTUS, that is, both natural born and, a citizen; once he was adopted by an Indonesian national, he became a citizen of Indonesia. When it comes to determining status of a person who can be said to have dual nationality, U.S. law defers to the law of the foreign sovereign. Thus, whether BO, having been adopted by an Indonesian, can be said to be a U.S. citizen and thus eligible to become POTUS under the constitution, is determined, under U.S. law, whether such a result is allowed under the law of Indonesia. And, it isn’t; Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship.
Divided loyalties see
Canadafreepress.com “Obama and Odinga the true story” - August 8/2008
Yes. the natural born criteria has been proven to NOT have been met just by Obama’s mother’s age at the time of his birth and according to the laws governing citizenship in force before the 1980’s.
The second problem is one of allegiance and Obama already made clear in his writings that he would “stand with the muslims.”
But has Natural Born Citizen ever been defined by the court with respect to elegibility for president?If there is a challenge, it will go all the way to the Supreme Court which will be a huge distraction.
you need to read up on Benjamin’s articles. We are taling about allegiance, not birthplace. A naturalized citizen cannot hold the Presidency, neither can a dual citizen: divided loyalties.
that said, Indonesian citizenship is an issue
forging the birth certificate is an issue, and lying to the public will cost him and the democrats big time, and for a long time.
Ibama’s political career is over.
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“The Constitution does not say anything to that effect, but I agree that a US president shouldn’t, because he would owe allegiance to two countries. Would it not be a conflict of interests?”
That wouldn’t be true for Barry Soetoro, his only allegiance is to himself. He has shown many times that he has no loyalty to people, institutions or political ideals or positions.
Did legal adoption exist under the Constitution as it was written. It wasn’t addressed so we don’t know how or if it would matter. It is an open question. Why the COLB on his website, I wonder? My guess, he knew there was a problem.
Larry,
I heart you. Your work is amazing! Oh yeah as usual the Democratic leadership is so dumb they hand us another elitist fraud! Why can’t the kleadership stop this stupid a$$ nonsense and run the party the way it should be. The puppet with the every growing nose is going down and with it Deaniac, Pelosi and all the other creeps in Congress. Those jerks on the Dem Party Platform committee have shot themselves in the foot today by rejecting the amendment on caucuses. This patently undemocratic means of voting be ing dismissed as it was today will be all the more reason for voters to say no to the Undemocratic Party and Obama. ByeBye! barry and you idiots running the DNC, etc….
I am so tired, but did I read “michelle’s whitey tape” again? omigod! I need to get rested up, afterall tomorrow’s another day.