A Statement of No Quarter’s Ethical Practices [Updated]
By SusanUnPC on August 12, 2008 at 1:05 PM in Bloggers
UPDATE: This has nothing to do with trolls here. Those are easy to take care of, as long as you readers e-mail me (susanunpc @ gmail dot com) with the information along with a COMPLETE copy of their comment, which helps me search for the comment. I am talking about other blogs and blog posts. But I refuse to be more specific in order to adhere to the principles laid out below.
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A foreward: PUMA stands for People UNITED Means Action. (There needs to be a little less “ass” and a lot more unity.)
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There have been many times in the past few months when the writers at No Quarter have read articles by fellow Hillary supporters, at an array of pro-Hillary blogs, with which we disagreed, or with which we had some concerns.
Sometimes we didn’t like the tone of the article. Sometimes we objected to the use of certain language. Sometimes we found the arguments weak. Sometimes, the best arguments were left out.
Sometimes we questioned the sources used. Sometimes — and this has happened more often than we care to mention — we had to question the veracity of the pro-Hillary writer or speaker. Sometimes we received information that directly contradicted the false claims of the pro-Hillary writer or speaker.
In all instances, if our concerns were grave enough, we wrote directly to the writer or speaker and informed them directly of our concerns.
The one action we will almost certainly never take is to attack any of these fellow pro-Hillary supporters on this blog.
And here is what we would do before we published any story about those grave concerns: We would go to great lengths to contact not only the writer/speaker, but we would also contact the blog owner(s), the other writers at that blog, and any members of a certain group.
In other words, we would do what ALL real journalists do. We would make every effort to contact the SUBJECT of the article, and all associates, before we would print a single word about that fellow Hillary supporter.
Have you ever read a single article by a true journalist that didn’t include 1) a statement by the subject of the article, or 2) a paragraph that explains that every effort was made to reach the subject, who did not return any phone calls or e-mails?
No. You haven’t.
Because that is what REAL journalists do.
If we bloggers wish to be considered to be REAL journalists — and we wish to be taken seriously — we will adopt the ETHICAL practices of real journalists.
Let the scenes from All The President’s Men serve as a template for how all bloggers should behave if they wish to be taken seriously:
Carl Bernstein: Bob, listen, I think I’ve got something, I don’t know what it is. But somewhere in this world there is a Kenneth H. Dahlberg, and we gotta get to him before the New York Times does, because I think they’ve got the same information.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Bob Woodward: How do you think your check got into the bank account of a Watergate burglar?
Kenneth H. Dahlberg: I’m, uh, a proper citizen. What I do is proper.
Bob Woodward: Well, I – I understand.
Kenneth H. Dahlberg: I’ve just been through a terrible ordeal. My neighbor’s wife has been kidnapped!
After finding Dahlberg, and after finding the information on him, the reporters CALLED Dahlberg and gave him a chance to respond — BEFORE they printed a word.
Before publishing the damning story about John Mitchell’s involvement in Watergate, the reporters CALLED JOHN MITCHELL and did two important things:
(1) They informed John Mitchell that they were planning to write a story about him; and
(2) They gave John Mitchell an opportunity to respond.
Ben Bradlee: He really said that about Miss. Graham?
Carl Bernstein: Yeah, he did.
Ben Bradlee: Take off the word “tits” and run it.
Carl Bernstein: Why?
Ben Bradlee: Because this is a family newspaper.
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When any pro-Hillary blogger writes a story that attacks another pro-Hillary blogger, the courtesy of pre-publication contact is IMPERATIVE.
Actually, we should follow this practice in ALL instances.
That is, if we EVER hope to be regarded as serious writers.
Do we want to be respected?
Or do we just want to mouth off?
It is time for some people to ponder which is most important to them.
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Don’t bother to ask me why I am writing this. I will not say. Because I will not betray my own ethical standards.
But I will add this:
I see disturbing signs that the PUMA movement is splintering.
I have seen far too many instances of PUMA members back-stabbing each other in comments, in phone calls, and in blog posts.
Who wins when this happens?
One person:
Barack Obama.
Who loses when this happens?
One person:
Hillary Clinton
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Thank you for witing this. I do appreciate this website and all the comments that are posted.
The truth is what I ask for. Keep up the good work.
ok at first I thought you were defending your taking down the stuff by techdude (understandable)
then I thought you were talking about Darrah and puma radio?
now I’m not sure who you are talking about cuz I’ve not witnessed anyone who claims to be true PUMA (names I recognize) to stab any other puma blogger in the back
but I don’t read many comments and many other blogs
I guess I’ll figure it out eventually?
If you have a problem with cussing I will admit that would be ME (I swear I do try to control it)
Susan,
You are so right. We must stand together in unity. The only way we can make the MSM and the Democrats hear us is if we are speaking as one voice. If we let them splinter our movement because of real or imagined differences then Barack Obama wins.
Thank you for being a voice of reason in this tempest we find ourselves in.
PUMA!
I am absolutly with you on that one I have seen some evidence of backbiting within the blogasphere.But I will say there is Obamabots and his supporters trying to debunk the Puma’s so it is not within our own blogs as much as pro-Obama sites.
I was just going to say that. Obama supporters come onto the threads and even steal the identity of other bloggers. I have not seen one instance on No Quarter where Pro Hillary bloggers backstabbed each other or anything of that nature. Given the nature of the Pro Hillary bloggers that I’ve seen I believe this is more the exception than the rule and alot of times is even Obama people in disguise. Let’s keep our eye on the ball. This is almost saying to Obama supporters that they’re getting to us. Why post it?? They will feel what they’re doing is workig.
Yes and I just got off the CNN website and Senator
Clintons supporters Puma et al are still being
characterized as bitter old women who refuse to
GET OVER IT. I basically come to this site to
enjoy the articles and the camraderie and sometimes
I like to tweek the bots. I worked my heart out for
senator Clinton during the primaries and donated to
her campaign but I am just not willing to take any
more action at this time unless I am sure she is
still in it to win. However if I do see something
that I think might be helpful to Senator Clinton
I’d gladly participate i.e. write to my super delegates. Otherwise I’ll just be voting for John
McCain come November and praying for BO to fade
into obscurity.
I really do not see what ssomeone would gain, by bloggers attacking bloggers. However, i does happen. If we all try our very best not to do that, maybe this will slow down..just a thought..
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
Thank you. There is too much of this petty back-and-forth cr@p. We need to stick together, not fall apart at the critical moment.
This is very good. It is essential to have some core principles to fall back on. It is also essential to keep focused in this web atmosphere which is so prone to go off on tangents and be infiltrated. Many people are ready to pop with frustration and anxiety. My advice, save the nervous breakdown until after the crisis. Which right now is, what will happen at the convention?
Susan, thank you for addressing this.
And don’t feed the trolls.
Ignoring them completely would piss them off.
Bingo, this is the best way and time after time I see whole threads clogged up with troll taunts and responses by the regular posters. If you don’t post back, they look like lonely losers. If you do, it makes a fat pile of comments that looks like real thought is going on.
I so agree with you, bemused! I find it disturbing to see troll posts that are followed by a bunch of replies. One can get drawn into reading them and end up wasting time on traded insults. IMHO they (trolls) should be totally ignored. In fact, if possible, it would be nice if they could be flagged somehow. That way, without banning them from blogging, one could just scan past their nastiness and read something with substance. It is not up to us to re-educate them, if that is even possible for some of those who hang around here. Let us refuse to acknowledge their existence. They can learn from their own mistakes,
Please ask Larry if we can have those Obama Troll Comments FLAGGED so we can skip over them.
This post has an inordinate amount of Obama Trolls and responses take up unwarranted space!
let’s resolve this issue and kick the little obama punks’ asses out of here!
thanks for your logical suggestion!
I agree it slows down otherwise important reading
I understand.
I promise I won’t feed anymore trolls.
Hillary supporters attacking other Hill supporters??
Please, please, please, let’s not fall into the divide and conquer trap.
Hillary 08
Good practice, but be prepared for Obama trolls — who are better paid than your garden variety troll — to feed each other. A lone troll can even do this under multiple ids.
Suggestion:
One great thing about Larry’s blog are the little [-] and [+] symbols you can use to collapse and expand comments. The moment you see a troll post, click the minus sign to collapse all the chatter under it. Unless you’re on dial-up, this is a real time saver.
*****A
I come to NQ pretty late at night and most of the time just read the posts and lurk in the background. I think the thing that bothers me the most and needs to be addressed is STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve just turned off my laptop and refuse to read NQ because its just becomes a free for-all with the trolls back and forth until the subject of the article is no longer being discussed.
The trolls are purposefully put there to be paid and to bait you and frustrate you. Why can’t you just ignore them and scroll past their posts? Why do you have to engage them? Some of you say it isn’t fun unless you bait them and engage them. I say knock it off and let’s not stoop to their level but instead talk about creative ways that we can either help Hillary or ensure Obama’s downfall. Scroll past the troll comments like they’re not even there. That is the most damage that you can do to them is pretend they don’t exist.
STOP ENGAGING/FEEDING/BAITING/DID SO/DID NOT WITH THE TROLLS!!! Please!
thank you No Quarter for being here.
Hillary IS POTUS peeps!!
we stick together, work together and move forward together!
and hold til you see the whites of their eyes!
CHARRRRRRGE!!!
The MSM could take a lesson from this post. Ethical standards are an afterthought among many of todays talking heads.
So, it is no wonder that bloggers are copying the style of what passes for journalism among in the MSM.
Short of making “every effort to contact the SUBJECT of the article”, at least do basic research. Everyone can google, but not everyone can think critcally.
Susan and all: you do a great job at NO QUARTER–keep up the good work. This site is my one source of “sanity” in this election.
As for Johnny’s comment “Everyone can google, but not everyone can think critically”—you are so right!
I second this statement. Larry and Susan have been great hosts for us PUMAS and others who are extremely concerned about Obama as a candidate.
Do we get silly, sometimes, do we jump all over the bots yup. but most of the material is above board and as honest as anything out there in blog land can be.
Are bots trying to undermine NQ? You betcha and most of the time one of us will notice and call them out.
This has been the most bizarre primary after a horrible 8 years where up is down right is left and ripe for crazies.
Rock on NQ!
Susan,
Thank you for posting this. I agree. Credibility and decency are both vital. Once lost, regaining either is an very difficult mountain to climb.
The only comments I have seen posted that were divisive to Puma was on another blog site.
The owner of that site evidently became envious of the success of another blog site owner.
I read the accusations that were hurled and don’t believe them for a moment. Because after going back and reading ALL the comments from the accuser that he/she had posted on Hillary’s Campaign site, it
was clear that this person had a “ME” problem and wanted all the attention.
Thank you and we all should stick together all the way through as one. I do agree..
Perhaps they are not true Hillary supporters rather under the guise as such in order to manipulate fracture.
Great post, but whether the PUMA movement splinters or not, those undeclared PUMAs in all parts of the country, those who don’t even know they are PUMAs or what to call themselves–will see to it that he is crushed if Hillary is not the nominee. Believe that. I heard Rush Limbaugh say on his program today, between making some of the most sexist remarks imagineable about the Olympics, that “the dirty little secret is that Obama may lose this thing by a landslide.” That’s the first time I’ve ever heard him acknowledge such. Obama will lose.
Susan,
I wouldn’t put it beyond Axelrod to plant people within the movement in order to disrupt it, old tactic. Same goes for some of the comments made by your readers, some of which repeatably make strange anti Obama statements. I don’t mean the humorous ones, I am talking about the comments that sound like an effort to paint this site as a republican operation.
Or a racist operation, simanov. I confront the troll racist and sexist remarks whenever I read them! Those trolls should be smacked down, otherwise I think ignoring some of the more irrational inflammatory and divisive posts is generally a good idea.
I know trixta,I agree, it is seen as being allowed when a racist or sexist remark gets posted over and over; agree on both points.
A “plant”, like Patti Solis-Doyle ?
Good points…. I had wondered if some things were being said or done by people who either were out for themselves and riding the “PUMA” train to get there or OBOTS trying to cause a splintering. (That is not meant to say that any of this has happened here, just have noticed it some places.) I am here because I am anti Obama, I like the articles and I like the people here, both writers and posters. As a past investigative reporter I appreciate a truth teller and a well researched article. Thanks for letting me hang out here.
McCain or Hillary 08 Never Obama.
You’re absolutely correct.
United We Stand – Divided We Fall.
Obama knows this and will use it every chance he gets.
Your ethical principles have shown through, and I am glad you directly posted them too. The people on my “list” that I forward articles to are a tough crowd, academes who carp about spelling, sources, yadda yadda. In turn, they forward to others. You really have a lot of respect. them.)
Actually, I disagree with this. I think *everyone* loses. Everyone loses when the conversation – the HEATED DEBATE – the STARK disagreements – the .. whatever type of communication … is not made in a humane, honoring way. This is true whether the communication is about our friends OR our enemies. I guess it’s just too idealistic, but I really wish we could have these “conversations” – and have heated debate, and “call out” wrongs – without being so incredibly uncivil to each other. Just my two cents. Flame away
I can see that point. If it hurts Hillary Clinton, it hurts us, because she is who we need to lead the country right now.
So I guess in addition to hurting Hillary, it hurts all of us by proxy.
Excellent, Susan and much needed.
Recently I have seen the word “movement” assigned by some to Puma. I argue it isn’t a movement, that is what ob has and we are NOT a movement and never have been.
What we are is a coalition. We allow diversity.
Puma is grassroots to the core and not rigid in thought.
August 12th – just two weeks to go – let’s keep STRONG.
I agree. We are not at all a “movement”. WE are a “STAND”. A STAND against what is wrong in the world, a stand for what is right and a stand for Hillary Clinton, the next POTUS.
We don’t need a movement, we’ve been going in circles for years. We now need a stand to provide stability and honor back into our government and to put the most qualified candidate in the oval office to help lead us out of the wilderness. We need Hillary Clinton and will stand with her.
I come to this post to learn and always have felt comfortable that the imformation posted here was vetted and true.
Today there are few places to find the truth and I really appreciate the work that is done here.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Absolutely. I consider this site and TexasDarlin’s site as REAL JOURNALISM with people who are intelligent and honorable writing important articles containing the truth we need to know. I put these two sites above MSM because they have the ethics and morals that the MSM does not have.
I don’t want to be guilty of being part of the problem. (If anything on my own blog should come down, PLEASE email me and tell me, I will accept your advise and thank you for it). I want to be another outlet for truth as well as express my own views that don’t obscure the truth. I don’t know that I have been accomplishing that and I intend to review what I have done and take a critical look at what is up on my own site. I really appreciate this article, it’s a good beginning point for me to develop my own core values and to try to apply those on my blog.
Is it possible that some amount of the backstabbing is being done by trolls namejacking legitimate posters?
THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. No disrespect to anyone, but by making a big issue of it we are saying the trolls are winning. I have been on Pro Hillary blogs for MONTHS. And on No Quarter I have not seen one instance of backstabbing by true PUMA’s and Hillary supporters. More likely they are little Obama trolls that can’t find their imaginary playmates that day.
I received an email a couple of weeks ago from some woman claiming she needed my name[real name] and address so that she could “send you a check” for continuing to spread the truth about Obama. She said she’d sent “checks” to Larry here at NQ, Texas Darlin’ and a couple of other bloggers. I told her that if I was wrong, I apologized, but that I didn’t trust her for shit and that there was no way I was sending her my information. She said she wasn’t comfortable using PayPal. Didn’t make sense to me then and makes even less sense to me now.
We all need to be very careful from this point forward. The Obots, low and high level, will do anything to try to get this guy in the White House. Including sabotaging our lives.
I got an email directing me to a cemetary.
Lot of sickos out there.
That was just an Obat Beast practicing.
I am not talking about trolls who post here.
I honestly think alot of us are tired, and have been picked at by the bots. It is getting close to convention time, and no one trusts anyone, due to the bots acting like they are like us. So, we must all be very careful, about what we do and say to others. However, we must all remember we have one goal.. No Obama. This must be formost in all of our minds. Attacking each other is not the answer. I think we all have become so worried that the blogger is a obot, in disgise that we have lost the goal. I udnerstand we must try to be sure the info we share is correct. I get hate email every day. I just delate it. I try to research as much as possible before I post. But, we must remember, none of us are perfect, we must do the best we can.
http://nativeamericansagainstobama.wordpress.com/
I gathered that you were talking about the articles being posted and not us bloggers.
Keep up the good work you do here, I would have been somewhat lost after HRC suspended her campaign if this place did not exist. You’ve made me laugh, cry and always uplifted my spirits with your support for HRC. Thank you.
A Clinton delegate that supports the roll call for HRC is talking on Fox News NC show right now!
Thank you Susan for seeing through all of this.
I think also this is the only way Obama can win, is to splinter us….and maybe infiltrate to start those kinds of attacks. Like hijacking people’s names, etc, “PUMA-INO”–PUMA in name only!
Thanks for saying it SusunUnPc,
In putting the spot light on ethics, you’re actually picking at weak under pinning of Ipod politics and journalism.
Good advice. Let us be aware that a lot of Obama supporters will start disguising as pro-Hillary or pro-puma and start discension among the group so as to splinter PUMA or the our group.
If we always maintain a true journalistic Code of Conduct, we will prosper as a group. We may even convince those Obama followers who disguise as pro-Puma or pro-Hillary to authentically join us.
I believe respecting others ideas even those that contradict ours is a START. Healthy discussion of issue is a must. Name calling should always be avoided at all cost. Name calling belongs to those who don’t have much ideas to offer.
Obama trolls don’t come on here w ideas or to have intelligent conversation-that is the problem. They are just here to disrupt the discussion. As far as I’m concerned, they deserve what they get.
I WAS also guilty of name calling but I think we should start avoiding it.
Indeed. We know where we stand. There’s no reason to engage with trolls. I imagine that once they read this, they will be out in force to test our resolve. Please ignore and don’t fall into the trap of wasting energies by trying to change their minds. You know as well as I that they do not change ours…they only distract and try to change the tone of the posters.
PUMA / Just Say No Deal
Country Before Party
Obama will win because he’s the better candidate, just like when he defeated Hillary. Hillary has acknowledged this fact, why can’t you PUMA’s?
This guy, for example, is clearly a transparent troll and should be completely ignored. they will slip in and spam, and keep spamming if we respond.
not even puma, or puma in disguise, just an anchovy troll. let them go home to mom for food, not here.
Hillary or McCain will win because they will make the better PRESIDENT. “Candidate” is irrelevant.
He is just A PROFESSIONAL CANDIDATE – traveling around the “world,” preaching to his hypnotized throngs of vacuous fans – “Come to barak, my child!” And the zombies follow.
Barky WILL NOT make a good president – heck, he doesn’t even make a decent senator – or state senator – or DOG CATCHER!
And, as with all bambibots, you’re a liar. Of course, Hillary has NEVER SAID Obama was a better candidate – why would she? Why would any intelligent person say that? It’s laughably false. Barky lost the popular vote – the people’s vote. All he got were party elites he could BUY AND THREATEN AND DEFRAUD AND BLACKMAIL – and he’s still threatening and intimidating them, lest they all flee the bambi reservation now that they know he’s unelectable. What a high-character guy! Just like you, bot! You should all be so proud.
kevin is a troll, no doubt. maybe we should ignore him.
Thanks for the reminder, Susan. I am united in seeing that Barack does not win. I would love it if Hillary could carry the convention. It does look as if the cards have been stacked against her from the first but I hold out for miracles. Barring that, my option is McCain. I am immovable on those points. I think this is the PUMA stance.
Country before Party
Just Say No Deal
Country before candidate. Don’t get it twisted.
more like country before backstabbing political party.
Yes, the dirty tricks and questionable leadership of the current Democratic Party leaves me nauseated and a feeling of revulsion. This goes along with attacks from trolls trying to disrupt the conversation.
I don’t bother with Huffpo or Salon anymore. There’s no room for me there. I always posted in a civil manner, asking for support and unity for both Democratic candidates and I was always viscously attacked by the left wing. So, when I found NQ, I was delighted. Of course by then, I was so turned off of Obama via his ugly, crass supporters, that I felt a pro-Hillary and/or acceptance of McCain site was heaven. So, yes, let’s keep it clean and by all means talk amongst ourselves. We will not change minds any other way.
hillary before obama, kevin. duh!
No Kelvin, it is Country before Party. IF Hillary were listed as VP, I still would not vote for Obama. I intend to vote a straight republican ticket this year as a statement to the entire democratic party that I am not happy with what they, as a party, have done.
I’ll go even further, I believe it should be Country before ANYTHING when it comes to elections. That is what made The United States of America what it is. Our Country comes first in politics (added for those who adhere to religon, because God comes before Country where I am concerned and I’m sure it does for others as well). It’s not just Country before candidate, it’s Country before party because it’s the entire party leadership who has done this, not obama by himself. By himself, without the help of the party, he would be nowhere.
Obama supporters do not want to have an intelligent, sane discussion. Their allegiance is only to BO and winning regardless of the costs. Ignoring trolls does make them leave. They just visit for attention. However, it is fun “schooling” them sometimes too.
No Quarter allows for honest discussion. That is one of the reasons I come here. I don’t know what all is going on w the PUMA movement but I have not seen any splintering. If there is any I believe alot of it is Obama trolls who are desperate for attention.
Susan,
If that is the journalistic standard here, then why are posters allowed to name-jack, taunt, threaten, and post obviously blatant lies, or link to their own quickly-created web sites to support their arguments?
When I first came to No Quarter, there was a link to a registration page, and a banner stating that soon registration would be required in order to post. What happened to that? If you want to maintain integrity, then I think posters should register their real information with the site (not to be published) to ensure at least a little personal responsibility and hopefully prevent people from posting a complete conversation with themselves to make it look like someone agrees with them.
Just my opinion.
Again, I am not talking about trolls.
Our registration system didn’t work properly, so we suspended it for now. We plan to restore a system soon.
I think I know what you are speaking of Susan and I definitely appreciate your courage in coming out and saying it. I see plenty of stuff I don’t agree with. I never mouth off about another Anti Obama blogger on my blog. Ever. While I might toss in a few blue words now and then, it doesn’t even begin to approach the bad taste of Sticking it to somebody who is your ally when all is said and done. My air isn’t rarified and I shall never treat anybody else like theirs is either. We’re all in this together. Trying to be The Star is a path to a movement’s destruction. That would make us no better than Barack Obama and his pretend snobs.
Find me one of us who is 100 perfect 100 percent of the time by the way, and I will point to a person I don’t want to hang out with.
If I have ever been one of the problems, please let me know so I can correct it. Maybe I’m being too paranoid, it’s very important to me to be part of the solution, and if I haven’t been, please let me know. You can let me know if I’m just being paranoid too LOL
Thanks
oh, forgot a decent contact. I can be reached at purplechiten@msn.com if you would like to email and let me know if I need to correct anything. I will be very appreciative of any advice that I get.
Nah Chiten, you’re a totally good dude.
awwww thank you Uppity!!
That means a lot!
I just want to be sure I’m not hurting Hillary instead of helping her.
(I’m a paranoid old thing)
AND, I TOTALLY love your sense of humor, intelligence and fun loving nature. You are a cool lady to have around
Gawd I love intelligent women!! I have one of the best that stands beside me through thick and thin, and I am eternally grateful for her. She makes me a better person than I could ever hope to be without her and I am honored that she loves me unconditionally for who I am. What more could anyone ask for?
There is nothing more sexy than a woman you have to salute the next morning – Jack Nicolson
Real progressive men are the greatest gift all by themselves. Women love being married to them. I am not talking about these liberal-fascist hijackers we (temporarily) have upsetting the party—again.
axelrod is trying to poison the well source of information that is causing them fits by injecting renegade bloggers to this web site to disrupt, impune, and foment chaos. They are very transparent in who they are, so we must keep our eye on the singular goal
we are all here for and that is the DEFEAT of Obama in November and save our country from his radical associates and ideas.
Yeah, that’s it. Obama and Axelrod have sent me here to purposely disrupt this board. The paranoia and hatred that’s been displayed on these boards by you PUMA’s is enough to make any sane person, Democrat, Republican or Libertarian, to come here to mock you psychos. I’d normally try to engage in friendly and rational conversations. Then you throw out the wild conspiracy theories as to why Hillary lost or Obama’s nationality or patriotism without any proof to back up your outrageous claims. You people are not rational human beings. You’re lunatics, lead by your lying, lunatic leader Larry Johnson! Do us a favor, waste your votes on McCain or stay home. Either way, you can’t stop destiny. Obama will be your president whether you like it or not.
What you don’t understand is that we feel the exact same way about you and the Obama supporters. We don’t see how any sane, intelligent person could possibly support him.
Can you name his many “accomplishments” that make him worthy of our votes?
Just one more serious question that I hope you can answer in a civil manner.
If you are so offended by this site and dislike it as much as you claim to, then why do you return? Wouldn’t it make more sense to go to a blog that you agree with and carry on conversations there? What sanity is there in going somewhere that opposes what you believe in, try to argue with people, and turn them even more against your cause than they already were?
I don’t understand this action and would really like some insight as to why Obama supporters come here and why they try to start arguments if we are such “lunatics”. Wouldn’t it behoove them to get together and discuss matters with people who agree with their basic ideas and try to develop plans to further their own agenda than to pick fights with the “opposition” making them even more opposed?
With half of the Democratic party voting against Obama and all of the republican party voting against him (theoretically). That means that 3 out of 4 groups of people (2 halves for the republicans, 2 halves for democrats)voting against him would produce a 3 to 1 defeat in November if all those voting against him vote for McCain as the option.
How can he expect to win if he has only the support of 25% of the total voting population?
Theoretically, that is.
No Kelvin, you are not a hire. You just aren’t smart enough or good enough at it to be a hire.
It has also appeared to me that the movement is splintering, especially what has been going on the past few days.
I agree with your ethical journalistic practices 100%
Great post, Susan.
Keep our eyes on the prize: A Better Democratic Party than what it has become.
Also, some jerk has been using my name to post comments on blogs (including No Quarter) PLEASE if you see anything that doesn’t sound like me (via my cartoons) be assured that it is NOT me.
Hell Pat, that happens to me all the time. Most places already recognize it’s not me. You just have to figure you are doing your job well if it means so much to them to go to that trouble.
If this is in ref to TD rpt on TechDude, check this out:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4375
Susan you are so right. Us PUMAs have to stick together no matter what. I have been guilty sometimes of being too harsh in my comments, and I am going to clean up my act.
We need Hillary, and we cannot afford Obama.
Pat, I agree but I do believe that it may take a rout in this election to convince the Democratic Party that the majority of Democrats as well as Americans on the whole are not left wing extremists. That is what we have to fight against. I also think that we can help moderate the right wing in the Republican Party. A little moderation on either side would not bring either side into the center. Of course, a Clinton Democratic Party could. But until then…
BTW, thinking of Obama talking nicely to Putin leaves me with chills…and not the good kind.
Country Before Party
yeah, let’s restart the cold war. bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!!!! HAHAAHA, you people can claim to support HRC all you want, anyone with a brain can see you hate her and everything she stands for based on your posts…Sad and pathetic
Thank you Susan for laying out your standards. As I’ve read through the posts, I believe most on NQ understand this policy and adhere to it.
With many people from other sites coming to NQ (myself included), it is important that you emphasize again that while you support the ideas of PUMA…this site is first and foremost pro-Hillary. If anyone takes the time to venture through the nobamanetwork.com, you will find many pro-Hillary sites. However, they’re interlaced with non-Hillary supporters who have come together with one purpose: STOP OBAMA!!
I have seen a few threads “hijacked” by Obots here. I think it is safe to state the following about the Obots that troll here:
1. No amount of logic is going to persuade them to not support Obama.
2. Short of brain surgery, many are a lost cause and arguing isn’t going to improve their intelligence. You merely waste your energy.
3. They’re amusing, but disturbingly so. Read some of the posts that Freedom Fighter, debbie, Francis, and sfhillary write and you’ll shake your head wondering what went wrong.
Also, I believe last week someone posted something from DailyKos regarding their internet “memo” about visiting other sites and what they needed to do in order to infilitrate them. I wish I could remember who posted it.
As the conventions and election draw nearer, the tactics of the Obots are going to become increasingly hostile and hateful. We must all prepare for what is about to come. Obama and his supporters are determined to have the White House for their own. The convention and election are merely a formality and a necessary process to get what they want.
As long as we all stay united and remember our common goal, we can ensure that from November 4th on, they’re dreams will be destroyed.
I agree with this article whole heartedly. Dividing us from within is the greatest weapon that will be used by those who wish to see the PUMA movement fail. Believe me, there are probably many infiltrators already becoming part of the PUMA movement because, as history has taught us, whenever any movement shows signs of succeeding against the powers that be, there will be infiltrators sent to splinter us to the winds.
I speak from a similar experience with having played a significant role in election reform for many years (before it became mainstream and after), and discovering the biggest problem in our being set back and preventing and/or or slowing down any real progress in achieving real election reform arose whenever any of us put our ego ahead of the issue itself. By that I mean, some will want to be the resident expert and to be “in charge” and start a hierarchy of control of the rest of the members and will guard that role jealously. This is the beginning of the end of unity.
We all must put our egos in check because too much is at stake. We need to be vigilant in paying close attention to ourselves or anyone who starts acting like, well, the person that immediately comes to mind is — Barack Obama and stop them before they do real damage to our cause.
If the PUMA movemenet wishes to remain a force to be reckoned with, its power lies in its members staying together and working together toward our goal of taking back our country. This will not be easy and we will be attacked for our efforts. IMO, we will up our chances of succeeding by utilizing the strategy of “death of a coup by a thousand cuts” and such a strategy requires the involvement of all of our members, if we are to succeed in the end.
No one person should be viewed as “THE” leader, because at one time or another, all of us will take the leadership role from time to time, depending on the need and there is absolutely no way to control a movement that has many leaders. That’s what will save us from being taken down from the inside (much like our country is being taken down).
It also will be because of the mutual respect we have for each other and the unified force of our passion and commitment that will prevent us from failing.
PUMA! Together we stand, divided we fall. Sounds familiar doesn’t it?!
There is no movement, there are about 1000 dissaffected people who can’t sniff their butt from their elbow who know how to make silly websites dedicated to lies, deceit, and hate…Some movement.
Gregg
Go sniff your butt…in your brain where the real stool specimen resides…now run off to mommy, get your KoolAid allowance and lazy back with Ludacris ipod, you filthy obamabotic shithead.
hey Greg asshole…go to Hawaii and see your equally impecunious dunderhead Cult Leader and wipe his ass…you’re full of it, morons!
Hey Greg the Drag Queen:
Did you know that there are 44 Kool-Aid flavors past and present?
Wonder which one is the favorite for the Obots?
In other words, no need to waste time with people that cannot be reasoned with on a good day.
Just another teenage geek, cutting school, sitting in the dark recesses of his parents’ basement, with his pants down, typing naughty stuff and getting off – just like the rest of the bots.
Shhhhhhhhh! Hide! Here comes your mother!
Ethics, No Quarter…Are you serious?
Greg
Go see Larry Sinclair for another Oblow me encounter! You sound desperate, you ugly Obamabotic excremental sediment of humanity
Ignore
Hi Donkey!
Did you know that there are 524 blogs and 1,646,754 people that account for the nobamanetwork?
Sounds like a lot more than 1000 people disaffected, huh?
I just thought I’d tell you because I knew you were just dying to know. LOL!
Nice number! thanks
^5.
Gee! I love these numbers. Thanks RChick!
BEWARE OF OBAMAOTS MASQUERADING AS HILLARY PUMAS!
Obama’s thugs are infiltrating the blogs and we must make sure who we are dealing with before answering. Most of the times, we shouldn’t be answering them. But they are SUBVERSIVE…stealing identities like Barry Soeroto stole the elections from Alic ePalmer and Hillary Clinton!
We should ask for definite IDs. Is there a way?
Great article Susan!
Most of us just moderate our blogs now. It’s pretty easy to dump them into the circular file before they even get to the comment section.
First let me say I am not a PUMA person- I support BOTH Obama and Clinton.
I think what is going on is the simple fact that you have a lot of people out there who are not PUMA but hang on to the PUMA name without fully understanding what you guys are all about.
For example- I have seen people leave down right nasty, racist and threatening comments on various blogs regarding Obama and they use the name PUMA at the end of their post.
As a outsider looking in it seems you have one type of PUMA- the PUMA who has a beef with the DNC and feels like Hillary was wronged during the primary. These PUMA’s question the system and are passionate about Hillary.
And then you have the PUMA FAKERS….Those who use the name on really really really whacky websites, and sign off on racist, vile post with PUMA.
I’ve seen that too but I think most of us that have been at NQ for awhile spot them even if we don’t respond to them.
Hey listen, we have Presidential candidates who are fakers so why not PUMA fakers.
I want to commend you on being able to have civil discourse.
I would love to have a civil conversation with you or people like you.
When Obama addressed the DNC convention way back when, I thought he did a great job and even commented that he would be a great leader some day. My issue with Obama is that his day hasn’t come yet. He hasn’t gained the experience he needs to have in order to be a good leader. Leaders aren’t made on judgement alone, they are made on experience as well and Obama is lacking in experience.
I am an absolute follower of Hillary Clinton. I supported the Clinton office for 8 years and afterwards while arguing with the bush supporters. I have never faltered in my support of either Clinton and feel that Hillary will prove to be the better of the two, even as good as Bill was. I am absolutely, positively pro-Clinton.
What I would have liked to have seen was the original dream ticket of Hillary and Obama as President and VP. This would have given him the opportunity to gain the valuable experience that he lacks while giving us the leadership of Hillary Clinton who has the experience, the judgement, the character and the ability to lead us, especially right now in our hour of need. I can’t imagine anyone but Hillary being able to sort out and correct all of the knots and tangles that have embedded themselves into our thread of democracy.
I think Obama jumped the gun and I feel that he has been very arrogant when he was told that he jumped the gun and turned off many voters with his own actions, words and behaviors during the primary campaign.
IF we could go back in time and get a coalition of Hillary/Obama, the DNC would not have to worry about the november election in any way. Obama’s own arrogance and grab for power prevented that from happening. As he continues to make flubs and mistakes, I see myself turning more and more against him. I think when all is said and done, Obama will have committed political suicide and that’s a shame because he did have potential. He didn’t have patience and that is what destroyed/will destroy his chance at POTUS.
I back Hillary Clinton now, and in the future. In order to facilitate her win in 2012 if she isn’t the candidate in 2008, I will vote for McCain. I don’t feel he will damage the country as much as Obama and he has enough leadership ability to hopefully not get us deeper. Between Obama and McCain, McCain is the better man. If I can’t have Hillary, then I must choose the candidate that I believe will do the most good/least damage and that candidate would be McCain. I don’t feel Obama is ready to lead and he has done much to reinforce that idea instead of dispell it.
Good post Susan. When you descend into name-calling your posts are echoed throughout the blogosphere and used as representative of the PUMA movement as a whole.
This may alienate those who actually agree.
I’ve said repeatedly, stick to actual interviews from named sources. If the person is not willing to put their name to the information take it with a grain of salt. Don’t publish without getting the documentation first.
Those in the “other camp” are looking for excuses to discredit anyone that may disagree.
People have been getting threats for months who dare to support anyone other than you-know-who.
Why anyone would be surprised by the viciousness of the attacks at this point is beyond me.
It’s the world’s oldest strategy. Divide and conquer. Those you can’t divide – threaten their families.
IMHO we all thought these type of tactics would be limited to Bush supporters. Obviously we were wrong.
That’s what has been so unnerving- the democratic party left us under the bus and NQ has been a great and SAFE place for us to let off steam because we feel very betrayed and angry.
The extremists on the left and right are basically the same evil doers with their thug sexist and racist tactics.
I agree with posted comments. Any organization does have legitmate growing pains. My concern is that people do have the right to express their opinions. That is the Democratic way! Obama and his supporters have no qualls in trashing, distorting, lying, intimidating and threatening anyone who dares speak out regarding their messiah. They have no problems in preventing any constructive comments on their web sites.
How does life look when it is a mirror image? Anthing that doesn’t fit your dreamed up reality has been scrubbed from this site.
We’d have nothing to say to PUMA if they’d just realize like Hillary that this race is over and Obama won far and square.
Kelvin:
I am almost certain that Hillary Clinton only suspended her campaign.
Kevin
Go use Larry’s limo for a good ride…you need, obamatroll piece of garbage sediment
Far and square um I think you mean Fair and Square- you freakin’ HYPOCRITS- You have obviously no clue what FAIR is like playing with honesty and truth. Get over yourselves. HYPOCRITS of the likes of Bush and Cheney.
Cleanup, Aisle six.
Barky will be a trivia question in ten years.
May I add that how we disagree–i.e. the tone with which we express out differences of opinion– is also important. Perhaps the golden rule is to respond to someone in the manner you would like to be responded to. Sorry if this all sounds preachy . . . .
But listen, I’m just as guilty as the next guy/gal of snark on occasion–and sometimes witty snark is the most economical way to make a point — but if we remember that we RESPECT DIFFERENCES OF OPINION here then we will be much more productive and healthy as a community. I for one, do not want to descend into that Orange abyss, if you know what I mean.
Actually, I don’t even mind the occasional troll (I hate that word!) because they remind me of what the PUMA struggle is all about.
WE ARE THE HEART & SOUL OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
Here here…
That’s a great post. I would like to add some thoughts.
1) When people argue on blogs, it looks horrible. We must learn to agree to disagree. It’s just the way the world works, we won’t always agree to everything, but keeping focus on what we have in common will propel us to greater success. In this case, PUMAs have a single theme that unites us all… NoBama. Let’s keep that in mind.
2) Keep in mind that Obama supporters will come on to a blog and pretend to be pro-hillary. Overtime their true colors come out. Rather than antagonizing them (even when they’re antagonizing you)… acknoledge that they’re trolls and move on. Ignore them.
This is a long needed post… Thanks NoQ.
Thank you Susan, this needed said and also this is one of the reasons, I trust NQ. I know for a fact, when I have sent you interesting links ect, you always look for ways to confirm what the link says or do not write about it.
Obama and the DNC WANT PUMA groups to turn on each other, as long as PUMA are fighting PUMA their eye is not on the prize, fighting against Obama anf FOr Hillary
BTW
Since he was registered at school in Indonesia as Barry S, how could he truthfully/legally claim to have no other names on his Lawyer registration?
http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf
I think this blog spends too much time tearing Obama down and not enough time building Hillary up.
If we are really serious about securing the nomination for Hillary, we have to focus all our attention on that. These crazy side issues like Larry Sinclair, birth certificate, whitey tape, etc are NOT going to pan out.
The more I see those silly issues like that on this site, the more I worry that our movement is losing credibility.
We know that we are not just a group of crazed fanatics, or bitter old ladies. But every time we salivate over a little smudge on a birth certificate, or hail a convicted liar like Larry Sinclair as a “political prisoner,” we diminish our credibility, and scare away a lot of moderates who might otherwise be attracted to our cause.
Johnny Ignore this silly troll! Stop being such a good BOT!
Sorry, JP, but the COLB–i.e. its legitimacy or illegitimacy–IS an important issue!
Also, the Larry Sinclair issue is a character issue–so it’s important to get to the bottom of it. If its a lie, then we’ll move on.
Confronting such issues is part of the vetting process–Obama is not above this time-honored process of testing our leaders’ qualifications and ability to lead. We’re talking about the presidency here, not some inconsequential job. The main concern is to back up claims or accusations with facts and reliable sources.
Vetting- something the Democrats and DNC FAILED to do. Can you bots understand that procedure? But if you want to vote for the fraud do it. We’ll vote for who we feel will be best for America nad it AIN’T Obama.
Right, but don’t you think that this is exactly what the Obama campaign wants us to do?
All of this time spent squabbling over bullsh*t is time that we could have spent organizing for Denver!
Hell, for all we know the Obama campaign purposely forged the certificate just to send us off on a wild goose chase. Once we present the media with the evidence, the Obama campaign will probably release the real certificate and have a good chuckle about “those crazy Hillary supporters and their conspiracy theories.”
On an OT note:
We have a project budding at HCF.
Thank you, Susan, for this reminder. Brava!
Personally, I haven’t seen any backstabbing between PUMA blogs. I do think that the blogs are being flooded with faux PUMA “supporters” whose job it is to agitate and undermine the pro-Hillary and McCain supporters.
Agreed. We need to remain standing together and remain steadfast in truthful representation of facts for or against Obama. We must continue to control the message about the true intent of PUMA, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain.
I also have seen where freezing out Obots and agitators has had a long lasting effect on other blogs. Remember, any time you attempt to change a negative behavior the first response is to increase the behavior you want to change. Anyone ever fallen off a food restriction diet after one day?
Expect that troll obots are going to increase the numbers of posts, the goading and vitriol, and the absolute fabrication of facts about either Obama or whomever they aim their negativity at when they are being frozen out of the conversation.
It’s worth a try.
Good point Buzz.
Thanks Donna…
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
IGNORE THE OBAMA and MCCAIN TROLLS….
Their miniscule intellectual capacities are deteriorating to the point where they feel if they infiltrate here their Britney Boy will get elected! Not a chance Obama Trolls. He’s a dead duck and he clucks like one…only stutteringly so….what a pathetic little creep Barry Soeroto is…a bisexual who put his Fist-bumpin’ wifey at risk….a self-absorbed Hilton, without her energy policy or brains!
I am about half way through The Obama Nation. Jerome Corsi will be on Hannity again tonight. It is encouraging that he has so much substantiation of the history he brings out about Obama. Most we have already but it helps to have it organized into chronological order.
The Enquirer and Corsi are people I’d like to see running down the investigations on some of the other questions we have about Obama. There’s already plenty of authentic information to turn the vote against him but I’d like to see all of it out for the general public by Labor Day.
We need to have laser focus on our goal.
Susan UnPC Thank-you for the update. Itruely believe Noquarter represents a Democractic approach to revealing the real, turthful news. Troll remarks do have be dwell with and sometimes just ignored.
I agree with comment by earlier poster, indicating that Obama trolls, paid bloggers are making statements on other blogs with the purppose of dividing the Puma movment. Its the old trick of divide and conquer. Lets just keep our eye on the goal. NOBAMA and his thugs. A clean sweep of our beloved Democractic Party,, in order to return it to a true people’s party.
BEWARE OF OBAMAOTS MASQUERADING AS HILLARY PUMAS!
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Yes, what ever you do, don’t give out other’s contact information or forward e-mails. This election with the turn your friend in and all your contacts is not a good one and has made many people go silent.
I only blogged at salon prior to the primaries and was driven out of there by the Obama fans. Any thing you questioned was greeted with you’re a racist or some derogatory comment about Hillary or Bill and Hillary. So, I left and once I found a woman’s site which has what I am looking for. This site (it was always mentioned as NQ) provides other perspectives beyond the ‘women’s’ issues and I like the style. I found Riverdaughter’s site when I went to D.C. for the DNC (RBC) and then explored it (mainly read the articles).
If blogs became closed off I imagine I could send post cards to people and let them know what I am thinking. I don’t do to well with pigeons so that is out of the question.
poor pigeons
They are lovely birds though
As long as I get to blast trolls, I’ve had a good day.
As I have already agreed with this post I ahd stated I had seen backbiting in the blogasphere but couldnt remeber where.But I just remembered where as I visited the Puma pac site and read what the rumors where.
“DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
IGNORE THE OBAMA and MCCAIN TROLLS….”
The troll infestation, of any category, on all blogs is getting tiresome. The Obama trolls are usually so Kool-Aid intoxicated they don’t even try to pretend. The more worrisome are the “pro-Hillary” people that sound like wing-nut radio. The chances that those people ever voted for Hillary are slim to none.
Susan, you don’t say it but I’ll share with you what has been irritating me. I have read TD’s pieces here and I have no opinion one way or another and I take in all her disclaimers. I also read Joseph Cannon’s piece refuting some of TD’s claims. I did not like his language because it sounded juvenile and mocking and scoffing. Some people have got on his bandwagon too and lauding him. When I read his first refutation of TD’s COLB story, I just left thinking why he did not contact you guys first and share his concerns/findings with you before he published his damning post? I have only read two or so of his posts on this COLB thing and not a regular at his blog. But the least he should have done was to contact you guys instead of having his “ha ha I am better than these fools” moment.
Is there a positive agenda on the horizon for No Quarter?
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For me it is examining the political spectrum, bills, candidates, issues, and change in positions. The truth is, had Obama let people know during the primaries where he stood he wouldn’t have gotten as far as he had.
I like the international approach and I like the thoughts from around the world (coverage our press isn’t doing). Since coming here I regret to say I canceled two papers as they basically didn’t provide the information.
In short I guess I have been so involved in blogging because I feel a sense of guilt and also ignorance. For years I went out and told people to vote, I told them it was their right, their basic duty as Free citizens and now I want to hide under the table. I didn’t know the DNC could take votes away, cut others in half and outright give them to another candidate. In short I feel like a real dope…who gave time and money to support a system that wasn’t what I expected.
Should we do nothing?
I’m not sure why this thread has ended up as being a discussion about trolls and posting comments. That doesn’t seem to be at all what Susan is talking about. She is talking about bloggers posting articles on their blogs about another Pro-Hillary blogger without contacting and verifying what they are posting.
I think I know what occasioned this post, as I read another blog this morning with an article that basically accused another blogger of posting fraudulent info and came close to outing them. I’m not going to mention the blog or the blogger. But that post definitely left a bad taste in my mouth. We all know how vicious and dangerous some of the Obamabots are. Outing someone you disagree with, knowing the dangers you may be subjecting them to, is repugnant to me.
posting again…But, we do have to be careful of mischief makers. Don’t take anything to be credible until proven.
Remember what happened to Dan Rather who accepted a document purportedly to be proof that GWB was given a pass on going to Vietnam. The document had been forged but the story was true. However, he was discredited over the forgery. Now, that should apply to the BC on the pro-Obama website but we have to think about traps being set to discredit Hillary supporters.
Am I wrong or does TD seem to be walking back from her endorsements of “TechDude.”
TechDude posts have troubled me. I agree with Cannon, if TechDude’s results can’t be demonstrated and replicated they should never have been posted.
The MSM and the DNC have gone all in on Obama. They would love to find issues to discredit PUMAs with. The TechDude fiasco is just the type of issue idiots like Olbermann, Cafferty, and Mathews could blow way out of proportion.
I never got heavily enough involved in it to judge. I am the worst person when it comes to that kind of stuff. I glaze over. So I didn’t really get enough for all the analysis to make any kind of judgment. The day I am infallible is the day I will pass judgments on the hard work of others. Sometimes when no questions are asked at all, doubt looms larger, yes?
I don’t see her as “walking back”. I see her as stating that since she doesn’t have the final report, she cannot, in good conscience, say that his work is definite or indefinite and wants to ensure that everything on her site is backed up with fact, not opinion.
She said that if she got the final report, she would re-publish the other articles. (you can mark them as published or unpublished without deleting them, so they’re still there, just not available to the public).
I think she is using integrity and honesty by not leaving unanswered questions presented as factual.
I, myself, believe techdude and was able to follow his instructions, but that doesn’t completely verify his statements as I am not an expert.
TD is using her ethics and morals to withold the information until it is absolutely verified. What she is doing is more honorable than any “journalist” you will find in the MSM.
First thought was “plagerism.”
Obama’s shining moments, as contrived as they were, are over. Long over.
Hillary Clinton spoke to the situation between Russia and Georgia earlier this year when Obama was still having her answer first because he didn’t know anything.
Today’s statement was just another example of his handlers improving his teleprompter fodder on foreign policy. It has nothing to do with Obama as a knowledgeable person.
I commend NoQuarters and all other Pro-Puma sites. They are the only legit sites where the truth stands loud and clear. MSNBC, CNN, Newsweek what jokes! Look what they did with the John Edwards story, Rev Wright issue and all the other stories they ignore. The only time they cover is when they can’t can’t distort and ignore. Thank-god for No quarters. Obama and his thugs will be given no break, nor shall our Democratic Party.
Thank you for writing this. I’ve been starting my own blog and I’m not afraid to admit that I don’t know very much yet and I’m trying to learn as I go. Your article has been extremely helpful to me in providing a compass to go by.
Just out of curiosity for those of us starting blogs, are there any links that you feel would be good to review or subscribe to in order to make sure we are doing “good”, not “harm”?
I’d like to develop a “list” of criteria that my posts pass before I publish them on my blog, but I’m not sure what that criteria should be. Just a list I can run down and sort of “check mark” to ensure I have met my own criteria. Any help you have to offer, I would appreciate greatly.
Thanks
Susan, I am so grateful to you and to everyone who posts at No Quarter. This is the best blog on the internet. I stand behind you all the way.
I’ve just visited the Joseph Cannon blog site and, too, get the feeling that he is an Obama plant. His harsh tone and take-no-prisoners attacks remind me of the kinds of posters found on DK, HP, & MyDD.
Examples: JC tries to link Techdude to Nazi’s; he tries to out Texas Darlin, and tries to discredit her (?) concerns for her safety.
I’ve never encountered a Puma attacking another Puma in this manner, so I am a bit suspicious of Joseph Cannon. Check out his site for yourself and see what you think.
I really detest the paranoid and obsessive tone at Cannon’s site lately. The latest rant is certifiable; he’s undermining his own credibility. Talk about being able to indentify someone’s writing style–a psychiatrist would have a field day at that site these days. Maybe there’s a “therapydude” out there for Joe.
I worked online with the Kerry campaign in 2004. IMO, HRC supporters are more unified than Kerry’s was throughout his entire campaign.
More than likely, the problem is with Obamabots posing as PUMAs.
thank you for that, it is good to get the perspective from other campaign seasons :0>
I agree Susan, I have come to No Quarter for most of this year, but didn’t post until May, I find NQ to be a sanctuary of intelligent discourse, very necessary for political sanity. I haven’t seen Hillary supporters attacking other Hillary supporters, but what I have seen and been a victim of is Name/IP spoofing, and did report it right away. I am guilty of feeding the trolls from time to time, as I am not always able to keep taking it in the face, particularly after going through that hell during primary season, I will work on trying to ignore them.
There is an interesting site, and strange I was looking at it earlier today, reviewing sites for journalistic integrity and came across ethics for journalists. I can provide the link if you want it.
One last thing, very, very often people pose as something they are not, which is a bait and switch situation, pretending to be a Hillary supporter when all they are is an attention seeking childish person, this causes confusion for some of us. I stay out of the fray when I sense that going on, and watch the seasoned veterans of the site.
Thanks NQ for being here, it makes a difference to have a voice, heard.
I am new to blogging…and MY only interest is Promoting Senator Hillary Clinton!
I may be so ANTI-OBAMA that I sound like a Republican plant…not true!
I will stay with the Clintons until I am forced away from my life-long party!
Then I will be voting for Senator McCain!
I have tried to be moderate with my language, and will stay with that policy.
Thanks for the meeting place, and yes, some comments curdle my stomach.
I was at the PUMA conference this weekend and the discussion came up about how to move forward. We all agreed that there are differents means to the end. Some will g o to Denver and some of us will begin the grassroots operation to defeat Obama. Each one of us has our own path. It doesn’t mean that we will splinter. In my case I’m working with Real Democrats USA to build a Democratic grassroots operation in my state. Yes we need to keep strong and yes we need unity. I left the conference feeling that we all ere on the same page. This includes many of the high profile people in PUMA.
I see what you are saying.
Instead of splintering, we are actually “branching out”. The core concept is the same, the support of Hillary Clinton and refusal to “get in line” as ordered by the DNC, thus the “Party Unity, My ASS” part of PUMA. I think the folks who prefer “Political Unity means action” portion are more interested in getting people together for a common purpose, which doesn’t necessarily oppose the other anagram.
We aren’t splintering at all, we are diversifying to cover more ground. At the root of each group is still the feeling of betrayal by the party and the need to speak up and say “I will not be forced to support a candidate that is wrong for the party”.
PUMA is strong and has a diversity of people that are taking different paths, but for the same reason. This core value will hold us together even though our paths may go in various directions, we will come together again in the end with victory for the cause.
Yes, I know that I slaughtered the English language with poor grammar and spelling in this post.
went over to TM thats the culprit. That site has drank the koolaide nothing more to say but there is a continued attacks against the PUMA movement. I don’t waste my time visiting. We know what happens when you want ot be a radio host and no one wants you
I haven’t personally noticed this problem and I make the rounds of pro-Hillary sites daily.
It is essential to stay united in out mutual objectives. We may make different choices should Hillary not be put on the ballot as a nominee, but I think that we are all agreed on how important supporting this action is, as well as doing whatever we can to shine a critical light on Obama, in order to expose him.
Divide and conquer is a well-known battle strategy. Please don’t allow this to happen! And thanks for bringing this issue to our attention!
FEC Investigation of Obama Eligibility
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/index.html
GO to this pittition and sing it.You don’t have to donate anything if you can’t-Just hit next-next and then go back to pittition and then back bar-back bar till you get back to the pittition sugnuture and then on top at singuture clink to see if your signuture took. It’s going on now we are almost there.Let’s go…
Birth certificate and other documents.
Cannon, whatever the merits of his technical arguments, and the “Dr”, are both flinging around charges of racism with wild abandon.
Its pretty sad.
I can imagine someone like techdude wanting to prove his point so badly that he saw letters forming out of dust motes on a page. Self delusion is nothing new.
What is new is this ugly habit of finding racism forming out of dust motes, or peoples’ non racist talk. Its a new form of repellent behavior that you see coming from one place in particular.
I, unlike Cannon, dont make crazy accusations without proof, but then again if the shoe fits…
I appreciate your comments Susan, great and lofty goals and no Im not being sarcastic. I havent really seen or read any PUMA’s attacking each other and I read quite a bit, ok Ive been away for about 10 days. Maybe people just get caught up in the fervor of their expression, but I dont think the intention is to attack other Hillary supporters. Ive seen quite a few comments from who I consider to be trolls who call us closet Republicans, or stealth Conservatives, and it does make me wonder if there are Conservatives trying to (quasi)support the PUMA groups, at this point Im not able to tell who is who, guess I was more Conservative than i realized since the thought of radical lefty BO gives me the heeber jeebers. One last pithy comment, are you actually a journalist? I know Im not, Im just a person using the internet to get ideas from others and to spout my opinions, but yes! hold up the ideal of true journalism for NQ blogs. Please! the msm certainly left those ideals in the dust.
I have seen local PUMA groups where a member was kicked out over petty things. In that case, the PUMA did not retaliate, but was greatly saddened not to be able to contribute to the cause by volunteering.
This seemed like an unnecessary loss to all.
I think when any group feels fearful of outsiders, there is going to be some people who are wrongly called outsiders.
This blog and others have been a life line during the Primaries and especially since. I can’t thank you all enough for the posts everyone have written.
I have laughed so hard at times when I was so down thanks to everyone here.
I don’t post as much , do more reading but appreciate this blog and everyone’s conversations.
Thank you, we must all stick together its now crunch time.
Thank you for addressing this. I too have noticed a lot of unpleasant comments directed at people working very hard on behalf of PUMA. I can respect having arguments or disagreeing, but let’s keep the comments, if critical, constructive instead of catty. I think many of the people working on behalf of PUMA are having a really tough time with the impending coronation and it is causing a lot of stress. Let’s channel that into positive action to help preserve democracy and the democratic process.