Hillary Campaign Emails: Dems Shoot at Their Own Feet Again
By Deb Cupples on August 12, 2008 at 6:06 PM in Barack Obama, Clinton, Current Affairs, Hillary Clinton
I just read an article based on some emails, memos, and notes leaked to The Atlantic by one (or more) of Hillary Clinton’s former presidential campaign staffers.
When I first read the pre-publishing-date hype about the impending article, I thought: Why does this matter? Hadn’t they heard that Hillary publicly threw her support behind Barack Obama back in June? What’s the point of even trying to give the ex-candidate a black eye now?
Below are some rather unflattering conclusions that The Atlantic editor Josh Green drew based on the leaked emails, memos and notes:
"Two things struck me right away. The first was that, outward
appearances notwithstanding, the campaign prepared a clear strategy and did considerable planning. It sweated the large themes (Clinton’s late-in-the-game emergence as a blue-collar champion had been the idea all along) and the small details (campaign staffers in Portland, Oregon, kept tabs on Monica Lewinsky, who lived there, to avoid any surprise encounters)."The second was the thought: Wow, it was even worse than I’d imagined! The anger and toxic obsessions overwhelmed even the most reserved Beltway wise men. Surprisingly, Clinton herself, when pressed, was her own shrewdest strategist, a role that had never been her strong suit in the White House. But her advisers couldn’t execute strategy; they routinely attacked and undermined each other, and Clinton never forced a resolution. Major decisions would be put off for weeks until suddenly she would erupt, driving her staff to panic and misfire."
"Above all, this irony emerges: Clinton ran on the basis of managerial competence—on her capacity, as she liked to put it, to “do the job from Day One.” In fact, she never behaved like a chief executive, and her own staff proved to be her Achilles’ heel. What is clear from the internal documents is that Clinton’s loss derived not from any specific decision she made but rather from the preponderance of the many she did not make. Her hesitancy and habit of avoiding hard choices exacted a price that eventually sank her chances at the presidency. What follows is the inside account of how the campaign for the seemingly unstoppable Democratic nominee came into being, and then came apart."(The Atlantic)
In short, Mr. Green thinks 1) that Hillary’s staff was largely incompetent, and 2) that Hillary didn’t have what it takes to be president after all.
I’m not sure what to make of the fact that the leaker(s) chose to leak the emails, memos and notes before the Democratic National Convention.
Presumably, Hillary’s ex-staffers are Democrats. Presumably, they’ve followed Hillary’s lead and are supporting Barack Obama: ex-Hillary Campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle, for example, now works for the Obama campaign. Presumably, the ex-staffers want Democratic voters to unify behind Obama (especially the ones who now work for him), to improve his chances of beating McCain.
All that said, what on earth were the ex-staffers trying to accomplish by leaking the emails (etc) before the Democratic convention?
Hadn’t they heard that many Democratic voters are still very upset with the Democratic Party and rather reluctant to embrace unity?
True enough, November isn’t next week, and time has a way of healing wounds. But for any Democrats to even appear to be publicly smearing Hillary — especially since she started supporting Obama — is like taking 100-grade sandpaper to a scab.
I can see why the leaker(s) might have been eager to give the curious public a glimpse of the campaign’s inner workings. But such a generous contribution to history could have waited until after the convention — or even after the November election.
Perhaps the leaker(s) were on a sour-grapes mission, seeking the satisfaction of publicly swiping at odious ex-colleagues. Understandable, I suppose.
In the process, however, the leaker(s) were simultaneously painted by the brush of their own wielding — in that the entire campaign staff came off as rather puerile, unprofessional, and Three Stooges like in the competence department.
I can think of better ways to attract future job opportunities.
Being an outsider, I don’t know who was thinking what when leaking the emails, memos and notes. We, the reading public, might better understand the motivation if the leaker(s) were identified in The Atlantic’s article.
Come to think of it, why wouldn’t the leaker(s) stand up and own the leakage? I can’t imagine that they broke any laws by sharing emails that were sent to them or notes that they jotted down with their own hand.
I suspect that Hillary and her former staffers have a good idea of which high-level staffers even had access to all the leaked emails and that they’ve figured out which people did the leaking.
So, what’s the big secret?
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This is the top news story right now at AOL.
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/clinton-nixed-values-advice-on-obama/128678?icid=100214839×1207657873x1200390462
Apparently, Mark Penn advised Hillary to attack Obama on his “American values” and Hillary refused to do it.
Obama’s 4 page race-baiting memo claiming the Clintons were racists, received little media attention.
But in our Obama-dominated media culture – Obama merely said “he” wasn’t involved with the memo and that was the end of it.
otoh – Hillary is “responsible” for Penn & Co’s actions and the media will continue beating that drum.
Yes, there is a double standard, isn’t there?
http://www.woai.com/content/blogs/nobull/story.aspx?content_id=d9965739-c32c-4f5e-9abb-ad1071734156
“Clinton Nixed ‘Values’ Advice on Obama” (To paint Obama as un-American)
Mark Penn:
“I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values,” Mark Penn wrote in a March 2007 memo to Clinton.”
“Clinton did not take Penn’s advice, revealed by a report in the September issue of The Atlantic magazine.”
http://news.aol.com/elections/article/clinton-nixed-values-advice-on-obama/128678
I think this is evidence that Hillary Clinton refused to take the low road in her campaign. Mark Penn might have been right though…
The media will spin it against her either way. Weak if she refused, diabolical if she hadn’t. When the media hates you you can’t win. Unless, of course the public catches on, which they clearly had begun to after New Hampshire.
That is correct. She was damned if she did and damned if she did not. The media wanted to see her fail either way.
Exactly.
A hint to McCain for a strategy or other hint????
This shows that Obama had people in HC’s camp all along. That is why the staff did not try to help her. They were there to do harm to help BO. BO and his folks are sick puppies!
I BUY A POUND OF IT TO THINK OTHERWISE IS NAIVE.
I am with you on that. the snakes slithered in and undid what they could, and now they are still out there slithering. What Operators! Money Changes Everything, and probably is the factor in this treachery.
Yup. It’s obvious that every single successful member of HRC’s campaign was loyal, and every single member who faltered was a BHO mole.
If PSD gave a hoot about helping Hillary win, would she have left the phone unanswered, not returned calls and watched Gray’s Anatomy for two days straight? It is pretty obvious with her working as the VP Chief of Staff in the Obama campaign now. When I saw the memo, “Move your cars, bitches. Patti’s bringing her staff.” It seemed like her signature all over this article. I wonder if she has a sick mother? In movies, the Latina traitor always has medical bills that made her take a bribe and backstab her colleagues.
Clinton leak for a Clinton ticket in 2012. To hell with Obama
You said it!
To HELL with Obama.
PUMA
It is nice that they conveniently failed to mention that Hillary Clinton refused to follow Mark Penn’s suggestion to make Obama look un-American during the primaries. Could they have failed to mention this because it would be admitting that she has more integrity than Obama will ever have?
That is what Hillary should have been doing, showing that Obama is “Not one of us”. Obama spent his formative years in Indonesia, a Muslim male dominated country, these are the years you view life around you to learn how you should act. He didn’t share the experiances of your youth, like most Americans, he was living in Indonesia. I think that’s why he doesn’t know how many states we have, that was Third grade.
So, more “anonymous” staffers, like the ones quoted in the Todd Purdom hit piece in Vanity Fair, float up from whatever sewer they dwell in to slime Sen. Clinton. Talk about hitting someone when they’re down. This is what the Democratic Party has come to; a bunch of consciousless cutthroats who sell out the candidate they worked for so they can line up for the jobs they think “President” Obama will hand them after the election. Trashing the Clintons has apparently become a growth industry, providing lucrative payoffs to anyone willing to sell his or her soul to feed the anti-Clinton slime machine. Truly a disgusting spectacle.
The Dems are really bad this way. Most of them are all about covering their own behinds, not supporting their candidates. How many of them did you see defending Gore in 2000? They were too busy cosying up to their media buddies or striving to appear above the fray to fight back when the Republicans trashed Gore.
Republicans are a lot better about being loyal to their guys. Look how little leaking there has been from Bush’s people, even though he has made them all look like fools. When Clinton was in office people like Robert Reich felt no compunction about trashing him. The Dems are pathetic losers.
Reagan rule #1: You don’t attack fellow Republicans.
Bill Richardson is at the top of that sell out list.
I think John Edwards gives him some serious competition on that. He was the one that started going hyper aggressively negative against Hillary during the debates, opening the door for Obama to have open season. All this while he obviously knew there was no way he would be POTUS, and claiming to be the champion of the poor. Some champion.
I don’t know much about the motives but I think it is a stupid move for another reason. One of the key points of these leaked memos, is that Clinton was told to hit Obama on the anti-American front. She didn’t do it. It would have been very damaging for Obama IMO. So in essence it is getting brought out now. Furthering peoples concerns about Obamas anti-American friends and his and MO’s obvious disdain for America. I think this will cause Obama more problems. Most people will think (as I do) that the Clintons feel that Obama is anti-American but didn’t bring these facts to light against a fellow DEM. In any case what a nightmare this primary season has become. Regardless of who you support. The backstabbing by dems against dems and the Edwards fiasco has really made this season one of the truly pathetic in history.
riverdaughter:
“So, here I am, waiting in breathless anticipation of the 200 emails from Clinton’s campaign, leaked by some well meaning campaign staffer who loves her country and only wants what is best for it, ie, a man who spent less time in the senate than most kindergartners spend in their first year of school before he decided he was ready to be president. And when the sucker finally hits the news stands I’m thinking “This is it?”. I don’t get it.
Where’s the fire? Where is the flaming “Oh, $%*&! Unsend!, Unsend! Unsend!” email from Clinton herself? Where is the email that shows that they were planning to sacrifice to Baal the many babies that were offered up by their all-too-willing parents at campaign events?”
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/tuesday-lets-keep-dancing/
In short: Much ado about nothin’
My take…. I see someone trying to smear Hillarys chances at the convention. My bet this has to do with Obama. Doing everything in there power to ruin HRC. Protray her as not a leader. It is pathtic. I am finished with this party. I will support HRC but no other future Democrat. I am proud to be a new Republican. Give me 100 years of Bush over 4 years of Obama!!!!! MCCAIN 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t bash me if I think that Clinton LIHOP (Let It Happen on Purpose).
I don’t know if Hillary let it happen, but I sure don’t see how it hurts her in any way. The OBOTS now know that Hillary stopped the anti-American path. Yet at the same time it is now “out there”. Which just brings the questions about Obamas loyalties to the table again.
Agreed. After all Clinton has been through, this is just a blip for her. Obama is still in the race, and having comments out there that reinforce McCain’s message is not helping the him in any way.
What is being proven every day is that McCain and Clinton are fit for the Presidency and Mr. Obama is NOT!
McCain is only taking what is already out there and showing it to the populace at large.
Obama supporters are arguing that it’s horrendous that Hillary’s staffers even put it on the table and discussed it. Aren’t they terrible?
Of course, those same people forget that in January 2008, an Obama campaign staffer sent a memo that made it pretty clear that falsely painting Hillary as a racist was on the table.
I think people who forge birth certificates are terrible, but that’s just how I think!
Just saw this on CBS Evening News and the piece made Clinton appear to have poor management skills, but still have ethics and not attack per Penn’s suggestion. What did come across is that McCain is now using the memes proffered by Penn, but rather than say Obama is un-American, McCain has painted him as a “celebrity,” and therefore different and foreign in another way. It’s the message Clinton could not get out because of party unity. The ultimate winner in all this is McCain, Clinton takes a ding, and Obama gets a lei.
All this talk about management skills is absurd. She was working her a*s off 20+ hours a day. The campaign manager(s) and strategists are supposed to steer the ship while she is making her physical self available all over the map. She was supposed to do the finances and messaging too? It’s a ridiculous comparison to the presidency: she would not be on full tilt 20 hours a day. Furthermore, are we supposed to believe that BO ran his own campaign??? Axelrod anyone?
p.s. Will someone please inform the media and assorted bashers that Hillary actually WON more votes than ANY CANDIDATE IN PRIMARY HISTORY?! Where’s the failure there? She didn’t game the caucuses successfully or use race-baiting to serve her own purposes? She didn’t buy off enough superdelegates like BO? She was that successful without the benefit of his Wall St. money, media promoters, and DNC manipulations. Also, 200 memos out of how many for the entire campaign–thousands?
It’s garbage. More swill from the media cesspool to fill the 24/7 appetite.
HRC should not have been in any position of greater responsibility in her campaign than BHO, if the BHO moles in her campaign had not kept sabotaging everyone’s work.
Obama is a do-nothing celebrity. “Painting” him, my ass. He is different and foreign, because he hangs out with bombers, racists, criminals and the DC Boys Club. He doesn’t care about you or me, and he’s never done anything for anyone but himself.
This article has really upset me, even more than I am already.
We have known for months that Hillary’s campaign people were not all getting along well, to put it mildly. So why publish an entire article about it now, a couple of weeks before the nominating convention?
So, even though Hillary suspended her campaign and has said nice things about the arrogant sob, it’s still OK to trash her? Is someone trying to score brownie points with BO?
I want to see her name in nomination and a roll-call vote. I want to say the if that doesn’t happen, I’m done with the Democratic Party, but there is a valid argument for staying a Dem to make it change back to the Party we remember.
mrduffin, that hadn’t crossed my mind, but I think you’re right. Not all of them, but enough low-level staffers to cause problems and “leak” things that needed to be confidential.
“Is someone trying to score brownie points with BO?”
Above and beyond that, someone is trying to sell magazines. I’d love to see comparative circulation numbers.
Good point.
I’d also like to see 200 campaign memos leaked by a hostile ex-Obama staffer. That would make for some interesting reading.
Now that would be juicy!
Already shredded. It’s read and destroy.
Right. I read that she will not be the VP and the DNC (controlled by Obama) is trying to find damaging press so people will think it’s a good thing she’s not on the ticket. One idiot over at TM said after seeing the memos, Hillary supporters will realize she is corrupt and they’ll embrace Oblahma!
Barack Obama is one evil, corrupt S.O.B.
The Atlantic has joined The Nation and American Prospect in publishing hatred towards HRC.
when do we get Obama’s campaign memos?
Probably about the same time we get his “lost” paperwork… NEVER
About the same time we get Karl Rove’s e-mails
My thoughts EXACTLY – When are the Obama campaign memos coming out where Jesse Jackson Jr. strategies to use RACE BAITING to take down both Clintons? Bill actually made reference on air a few times to a memo circlated t/o the Obama staff that the race baiting was a planned strategy.
This is a non-story. The Atlantic knows that; they’re just trying to distract from what an unqualified, unelectable, and probably ineligible charade Barack Obama is.
Don’t feed the MSM trolls.
Good point. When all else fails, point at the Clintons.
It is clear what is going on here. They are trying to cut Hillary out at the same time not attacking her directly. They are bascially letting us down easy, saying she isn’t a good administrator. This is all to back up their decision to NOT pick her for VP. That is the only reason.
I think is a good thing for her in the end. When they don’t pick her for VP. The people whom support Obama out of (unity) thinking that he will pick her for vp, will stay home or vote for McCain. Obama’s numbers will drop even more.
Stop reading my mind.
And where are the rest of the “300″?
Yep–this is their attempt at death by a thousand virtual papercuts.
The reason the Clinton staffers are doing it? It’s a “loyalty test”–the equivalent of a gang initiation, the old “Go out and murder someone, then you can join the gang.” What could be more of an initiation than forcing former staff to fuck their old boss in a very public way?
Of course, those staffers don’t seem to realize something–who, in their right mind, would EVER TRUST THEM?
If you’ll screw your old boss, someday, in some way, you’ll screw your new boss. You’re UNRELIABLE. Team Obama will ALWAYS look askance at them, no matter how viciously they excoriate Senator Clinton.
A betrayer once is a betrayer, always.
Integrity, like virginity, is something you lose but once.
Well said.
The leak serves the followings:
Hillary DIDN’T use the most damaging weapong against Obama. She proved herself against the accusations of ’she will say anything to win’.
She is back in the MSM. People hear about her, weigh her judgment and come to reasonable conclusions. I don’t think, a whole lot of negative can come out of this for her.
Question mark: how is that Obama couldn’t beat her if she had a bad campaign? Somebody should ask this on TV.
They ask it indirectly. Obama’s campaign was anti-clinton. If he takes that out of the equation, people forget why the hell they voted for him in the first place.
I never thought of that. How did she manage to get the majority of the popular vote if her campaign was so ‘terrible’ and in ‘disarray’? Not to mention the non-stop calls from the media, Obama surrogates, and the DNC leadership for her to drop out.
If she’s good enough to overcome all of that maybe she should be the nominee.
jadwiga, Great point.
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Obama is creating the new repulbican base, wether he knows it or not. The Clintons enspouse the ideal democrats. They won’t win an election without staying in the middle. Obama has in effect, rasied an army of Anti-Clintonite followers. This is bad news for Democrats wether they know it not. They just gave fuel to the Republicans by throwing supporters at them. What fools they are.
This “leak” is just too coincidental and convenient.
What’s the coincidence?
i hate blow job queen michelle hussein obama.
I can’t stand her, but she outsources the BJ’s.
Someone has been busy spoofing the trolls.
This clearly seems to be an attempt to dampen down any subterranean Clinton movements on the convention floor. If she is made to look incapable of leading there will be no rush to push her name through on a roll call. I didn’t see anything new in it though – we’ve seen all that stuff before. I was surprised, after all the hype, that it was such a re-hash.
This article is a joke. For all her lack of chief executive skills and her not up to par campaign staff, she garnered the most popular vote ever in the history of the US, she won the big states with her message and and she can still swing a state to Dems that Obama can’t with all his superb campaign and multi-million dollar operation with full media support. Where she fell short was only in the skulduggery employed by her vile opponent. She accomplished what no man has accomplished in Dem primaries in spite of the media spouting lies against her (they are still doing it as this article shows), the party elites backstabbing her.
Yes. We should note that she is way up in the polls against McCain now -far more than Obama–even though she’s supposedly no longer a candidate. So how could she be such a bad campaigner?
uh..what magic polls are these?
this is the last polling i could find:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html
Hello, Debbie.
can you please show me the polls where clinton is “way up”?
I didn’t say it, Little Debbie
My name is Erin not Debbie. but you can call me Debbie if you want.
So the way this works is you can just post statements that aren’t true and that’s ok? Just wondering….
You can call her believe and sfhillary, too.
this isn’t promising either:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/clinton_favorableunfavorable-644.html
When did you go on the night shift, Little Debbie?
Why don’t you answer her question? Never mind. You just write nonsense when you read something that contradicts the crap you believe. Regarding the leaked documents, how does this benefit Obama? He wants party unity not crap for the media to keep pushing the democrats are divided stuff. Some of you are so nuts that if it rains in your area you would blame Obama.
OK. The week of May 6, after the media had been pushing “Hillary is destroying the party” as a theme for two months, her favorability ratings were low. According to that poll.
The week of July 15, Rasmussen reported that Hillary fares better against McCain.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/obama_leads_bush_by_twenty_but_clinton_does_better_against_mccain
From the Daily Tracking page:
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows Barack Obama attracting 44% of the vote while John McCain earns 40%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 47% and McCain 45%.
From the Rasmussen Reports analysis page:
McCain fares better against Obama than he does against two other prominent Democrats. New York Senator Hillary Clinton leads McCain by eight points, 50% to 42%. Former Vice President Al Gore, the Democratic presidential nominee in 2000, leads McCain 50% to 43%.
I sai dthat all along that Barack Hussin Obama had people as to say they supporter Hillary just leave when news is found on Obama he did this to avoid any news on him as well as to say see nother one left.But they never said of the delegates that came and supporter Hillary.Obama will stop at nothing.
And really I think they know no matter what Hillary say that we are not buying into Obama.I also think that people have written here about how Hillary has to do his job that he or Bill Richarson or John Edwards and others could not get her supporters to come and fall in line.Obama is a user.
It doesn’t matter Obama is trying to make sur he is the only one on the ballot.I will never vote Obama.I am for Hillary but,won’t vote Obama for anything.If Hillary isn’t the nominnee then it’s McCain for me.
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Have you gotten to know him well enough to know that his top foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemannis has been a paid lobbyiest for the Republic of Georgia for years, and owns a corporation that still is? That this top advisor is a board member of the ultra-conservative Project for the New American Century, and is president of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq that paved the way for Bush’s invasion?
The republicans are trying to bamboozle the American voters the same way they did in the two previous elections. It’s another campaign of lies, misdirection, and personal attacks, all intended to keep people from looking at the underlying truth. The Hillary/Obama split is just another issue they’re exploiting. It’s all intended to distract.
It’s another campaign of lies, misdirection, and personal attacks, all intended to keep people from looking at the underlying truth.
Aren’t you talking about Obama’s campaign?
Who cares if Randy Scheunemann lobbies for Georgia? Sometimes lobbyists work for good causes. Why do you think Russia gobbling up Georgia and the Ukraine is a good thing? Those countries fought hard for their independence.
there is more to it than that ……. a Soros financed group installed georgia’s current president ………. however, Putin can be negotiated with …… this situation can be defused …. it is just that there are some that don’t want it to be ………
Well, Obama sure isn’t defusing it while he works on his tan.
And Ayers? Wright? etc who Obama has been linked to? Are they not even worse then the person you’re naming. Give it up, You people have NO clue do you? I sit back and watch and see how you will feel in the next few years. Blindly following a blind man and yet you open your big mouths and talk about people in other countries who make poor election choices. EVERY BODY PLAYS THE FOOL, YOU’RE ALL NO EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. This is your second time (BUSH 2 was the firs), to play your fool again. Now I’ll wait on the reponses.
Sounds to me like someone is a little worried about the convention…could Hillar’s supporters be giving the O camp some sleepless nights? I sure hope so..I’m not able to go to Denver but my prayers are with those that are going to show support for Hillary!! O doesn’t care about party unity…he’s got all the Hillary supporters he’s going to win over by now..I think they are just giving thier minions something to trash mouth Hillary…I’m sure they are all just thrilled to have something new…and lets not forget they love to play diversion games…lets not talk about O’s total failure in leadership skills with the Georgian/Russian Conflict…
PUMA…
is the latest talking point instruction axelrove has e-mailed to all his paid insects, with instructions to smear it all over the web and the MSM.
I’m seeing the same lie on every blog in the last 2 weeks (conveniently ahead of the convention) – word for word.
“Kelvin” and the other trolls wouldn’t know “fair and square” from a hole in the ground. They’re just mindlessly repeating what they have been told to repeat.
obambi, axelrove and their bots are scared SPITLESS. They’re panicking, so afraid that after all their “hard work” they’re not gonna get away the fraud they’ve perpetrated on the American people and the American electoral system.
“MUST NOT LET THE TRUTH GET OUT!”
I wonder how those spin lexicographers define “fair” and “square” or any combination, thereof.
The other word for the week is “internationalist”
does not mean anything but sounds good.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
I think the article speaks well of Hillary Clinton. She has integrity and took the high road. That is more than can be said of Obama and his supporters who continuously slandered Hillary Clinton. Also, let us please remember there is no Democratic nominee yet in spite of all of the public relations and marketing efforts to the contrary.
I do hope that some day soon reporters and editors will practice their trade and stop acting as public relations and marketing people.
It won’t happen until the American public stops buying their perfumed hogwash.
It’s the Big Lie, all over again. Except this time it’s coming from my [ex]Party instead of the Republicans. The Obama folks and his fawning campaigners are deliberately trying to destroy HRC’s reputation. The primary loss wasn’t enough; they need to destroy her completely–steal her words and policy ideas when they can, dismiss her supporters and pretend all’s right with the world because of the Age of O is on the horizon.
God forbid, Hillary Clinton should have a scintilla of support at the Coronation/Convention.
Biggest bunch of BS I’ve ever heard or read. The faux Democratic Party and their faux candidate deserve our utter disgust. And protest votes.
McCain ‘08
That is, Pod Democratic Party and Pod Candidate.
Perfect analysis.
The GOP has made some “nasty” stereotypes about Democrats over the past 40 years. Until now, they have all proven to be false, but this year those “stereotypes” are proving to be true.
They’ve always been true. That’s how stereotypes are formed. What’s different this year is that instead of being an exaggeration based on a few extremists, they’re universal for the entire party. The same is true of race and gender in this election. Everyone has become the ugly stuff of caricatures and political cartoons.
But don’t worry about it too much. The rest of the world already thinks we’re self-destructive idiots in this country. Why would we want to change that? Now they’ll feel more secure that instead of invading foreign countries we’ll be busy with our own race riots, women’s rights parades, and forming new political parties. And they’ll be right. Guess Obama is a citizen of the world!
Obama has never won a clean election.
It was always something underhanded or worse. He went after one fellow’s personal life, he managed to get others off the ballot, he backstabbed his mentor.
In this primary he had his thugs go into the caucuses and steal delegates through the use of theft, threats, force, and every kind of fraud imaginable. The DNC allowed it. Over 2000 complaints filed in TX alone with phone lines jammed and we haven’t heard anymore about it.
Obama is simply a corruput, low-life, little punk.
I think he will meet his match in November. The GOP is anxiously waiting for him. They’ll start loading their guns after Denver.
And this is what people forget.
Obama’s campaigns are always dirty and underhanded.
He knocks other candidates off the ballot, Alice Palmer was his political mentor, she introduced him to people when he was a nobody, and he turned around and stabbed her in the back. Ryan’s divorce records were unsealed,etc.
If that were Hillary, political talking heads would have called her every name in the book.
Can you imagine the Republicans doing this to John McCain when he lost the nomination bid to George Bush in 2000? Pettiness must be one of the qualities of the Democratic Party that keeps us losing time after time after time.
H is the new W
just say NO to BHO
Apparently, McCain ‘08, Hillary ‘12 is our only option now…
This is all a distraction to manipulate the perception that Hillary ‘lost’ the election and not that Barack ’stole’ it by short changing the democratic process.
Leaking of campaign memos in my mind is irrelevant when it is clear to any objective observer that Hillary beat Obama in the primary in turnout of voters, carrying big states and voters of all demographics (except liberal intellectuals and african americans). And her momentum picked up tremendously after winning Texas and Ohio, despite being massively outspent and fighting against media bias. With the MI and FL delegates, they both do not have the delegate numbers to reach the threashold and the primary is a TIE.
This is an election decided by the superdelegates (who have not yet voted), and have violated the democratic process by declaring their support before the convention. If the primary, is to be decided by superdelegates, what can her campaign staff possibly do to change that? Is it a politic coup or is it a failure of campaigning?
The leaked memos are nothing but attempts to paint Hillary as a bad leader and her supporters as sore losers. This sort of backstabbing from the Obama camp while Hillary is out campaigning for him is despicable.
This is all coming from Obama, no doubt.
Yes and Patti Solas Doyle is the prime suspect. She was CCd on ALL these emails, HRC fired her after she botched Iowa and spent down funds without telling Hillary and is now working for Obama! Despicable.
This sort of backstabbing from the Obama camp while Hillary is out campaigning for him is despicable.
- I agree 100%
It is also par for the course for this bunch.
Senator Clinton did not have to say he was unamerican.
He himself showed that he is a racist – anti-american – know nothing.
He did not need any help proving that.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
This fix was in in 2004 maybe earlier. Dean, Obama, The two owners of Google and god knows who else.
What does Dean get out of all this shoving Obama down our throats and propping him up to the Democratic Party?
Obama probably has some of Dean’s secrets.
Strongarming is an Obama/Axelrod artform.
Just wondering??? Penn mentions tape or tapes. We know in this day and age there are all types of taping going on out there in our world! Uhmmmm,wonder if any of thoses tapes, could be of a sexual nature? Whitey tape? Pew tapes? I wonder? Hate to spread rumors-but there have been discussions and comments thru-out the blogspear regarding all types of tapes when comes to Mr. Obama?
Bashing a non-candidate who already pledge her support to Obama? The supporters of Obama are getting nervous, aren’t they.
It’s so pathetic that he can’t win without these tactics, even after the worst presidency in American history. It only further reveals what a weak candidate he is. Why are they even still talking about Hillary if it’s so “over?”
Brother/sister, have you hit the nail on the head!
Hmmmm………..This disproves that victory has a thousand fathers but defeat is an orphan.
The campaign died of a staff infection.
But that is old news.
It isn’t like there is a dearth of hot, juicy news.
We have a hot war in the Middle East (find Georgia on the map, kiddies, Saddam thought Stalin was a neighbor.), Matthew Broderick is cheating on S J Parker, and the Bryllcream Boy’s 2006 affair has gone 24/7.
So what is the significance of trotting out old Hillary campaign memos a couple of weeks before the convention? It’s not like the Dean Scream went platinum in 2004, ya know.
Is someone trying rearrange the rubble of the Democrat Party? Turning the PUMA wedge into an oak stake through the heart?
Combined with the Edwards extravaganza, that’s two homewrecking releases in a week. Time-Warner-AOL-Viacom-Newscorp-Disney is giving you the best goddamn government their money can buy.
The is a strategy to further contrast Obama from his two main contenders throughout the primaries–first, Edwards and now Clinton. This way, Obama looks untarnished and shiny going into the convention.
How pathetic! Obama and his cabal are only showing their desperation!
So what does that say? Obama hires Patti Solis Doyle, who is largly incompetent, did major damage to Clinton’s bid for the nomination, and was fired by Clinton … hummm
Doyle is the mole.
Patti
Traitor
Solis
Doyle
PTSD… lol, she was a nightmare.
I say she might be a double agent. Does that fly?
3rd try! She is a double agent. Does that work for HRC to have her own mole?
If HRC still owes Penn money, I hope he’s not waiting for it to pay the rent.
I voted republican in the Primaries- 48 yrs old- first time voter…signed on for Huckabee,and he was treated much the same way I saw Hillary being treated during the rest of the debates/primaries.It angered me as much as it angers you all,because I preferred Hillary to be the Dem nominee- wasn’t too keen on McCain (but only because I was sore at him winning..lol).. I have registered to vote Independant in the GE,and will cast my vote for McCain.Can’t stand Obama!I wish McCain would ask Hillary to be his running mate,I think that 2 moderates would be great for America.They would make a really great team!I’m keeping my fingers crossed at any rate.And I’m with ya PUMA’s all the way.COUNTRY before PARTY.God Bless,and Good Luck at the Convention!
Hillary actually WON more votes than ANY CANDIDATE IN PRIMARY HISTORY?!
- Obama and the media are very aware of this fact, and this is why they are scared.
They know Hillary can walk away with the official nomination, which is why they are now attacking her once again.
Josh Green is a A$$ho$$ and these memo’s did not damage Hillary. They show that she did not want to take the low road. With the exception of the decision in regard to the caucuses, they won everywhere they should have and by big margins. Now, I live in Texas and Hillary won by 100,000 plus votes, this in the face of the fact that we took in about 300,000 AA as a result of Katrina. Not only did she not receive the majority of the delegate votes, she lost by the count of four and many of the Obama delegates in Texas were result of wide spread theft. Check all the caucus votes. Kansas was a real winner, as only 3% voted.
mammakk–Are there many other Republicans who feel the same way as you? What’s the buzz out there?
I’m not mammakk, but I was a Registered Repub until March 2008, just in time to change parties in order to vote for HRC. I never voted for Bush, ever. I guess you could call mbe a Reagan Democratic, whatever. I can tell you though my family, friends and neighbors are registered Repubs and many, many of them feel the same way. They would have voted for Hillary in the GE and would definitely vote a McCain/Clinton ticket! I have been thinking this for a few weeks. It makes sense. Two moderates in the White House, it would work because the two of them are workers, not slackers!
I have often wondered to myself, “If I was Bill or Hillary, and I had very damaging evidence about Barry, how do I get that evidence into the public domain without getting any blow-back on me?”
I say this as a dedicated Clinton fan (formerly Clinton Democrat). I mean, seriously, they can’t come forward with anything nasty about him without it making themselves look pretty nasty.
So if they have something, look for it to come from a source that can’t be traced to them, for starters. And to make sure it doesn’t look like it came from them, maybe it has to look like they are hurt by it too.
Perhaps this is only a harbinger of things to come, even though it probably didn’t come from them. It may be a total whack job on them, and the blow-back on Obama is bringing out the “low road” stuff. But if it’s a whack job on the Clintons, I would expect to see some retaliation come from a remote source.
I sure hope so!
On another topic, I just heard Sean Hannity ask Howard Wolfson if he has heard the rumors that JOHN KERRY IS BEING VETTED FOR VP. I laughed so hard I about fell out of my chair. Let the two losers run together. It is only fitting
I’d give Obama a year to live in that scenario. What a couple of pills for for First Lady and Lady-In-Waiting, too.
My money’s on Theresa in that match up.
From his lips to God’s ears!
I want Kerry for VP!
It’s a dynamic duo! Second to none. It’s a team with hope, change, and well ????????????.
Please dear Jesus- Kerry for VP.
Stop the hate:-)
Please dear Jesus – Kerry for VP
I want Kerry for VP, too.
It will be delicious to watch him lose 2 times in a row.
That was mean. I love it.
When I heard that the memo’s were coming out ( when BS was on vacation ) of course to fill time since the media darling is gone for the week. Thought it would be worse. But doesn’t matter, people who support Hillary like myself shouldn’t be distracted right now . That’s what this is a distraction.
Stop listening to CNN MSNBC ABC CBS NBC and even Fox for the most part. They all have an agenda.
Focus on what we need to be doing right now. Keep blogging , keep sending emails , letters etc. Don’t join the bash the Clinton club, then THEY WIN.
All campaigns have problems even winning campaigns, too many personalities and ego’s mixing. Just common sense. Actually these sound really mild to me . And I think the fact that she did not go with the “UNAMERICAN ” theme, goes against all the people who say “She would do Anything to Win” No matter how dirty. We know who fits that description now don’t we.
Everyone getting edgy here and elsewhere but please now of all times keep POSITIVE THOUGHTS FOR OUR COUNTRY AND HILLARY. Light a candle- pray if that is something that helps you- but think good thoughts for Hillary.
It has to be Obama behind this and conveniently on vacation. He still will not get my vote. I don’t think I can vote for a Democrat again.
Apparently, there are very likely chances of Hillary taking the nomination at the convention in order for these smears of her to rear their ugly heads right now. The Obambi camp is scared, they have to do whatever they can to stop her from cleaning his clock in Denver.
I believe there must be an even bigger chance than we have been hoping for or she would continue to be non-news and Obama would continue trying to undermine the McCain campaign. Hillary must be further ahead than we thought.
As her numbers grow, look for more and more “leaks” and attacks from camp-O.
This is bizzaro world, NQ. You have really deluded yourself into thinking Hillary could be nominated at the convention. It is really sad. Some here call Hillary and McCain moderates and dream of joint ticket. Pure nuts. I’ve had fun on this site, but the insanity is getting too much for even me. I’ll see all after the convention to celebrate Obama’s nomination. Wouldn’t it be great to have Bill introduce Obama’s VP choice?
My God, could you imagine Bill introducing the VP? As many people have turned down the job, no… RUN from it, Bill better bring a lasso.
I know! If unity is a problem now, how do PUMAs propose to unity the party when Hillary somehow becomes the nominee? Do they expect her to put together a field/campaign operation nationally in the next 60 days? And fundraising?
Amazing how these questions never even get asked, let alone answered.
She has 80 million ready in the war chest for the general election. And more wallets will be opened up for the DEM party once she is nominated.
And she is more than ready to hit McCain and GOP compared to what BO has been doing so far.
DEM will win the general election with Hillary.
Anybody shocked that all these emails seem to tell the story that Penn was “brilliant” and should have been listened to from day one? Makes it sound like a desperate attempt to retell history in hopes for a different ending. The story dies quickly after he wasn’t on staff any longer. Pathetic.
Also notice that all of this happened without the media bias and sexism making an impact at all on the campaign’s effectiveness? Seems a bit odd for a post-postmortem to leave out that there were at least these two cancers eating away at the body.
Shoddy reporting. Again.
It was leaked before the convention to try to stop Hillary from being placed in nomination and/ or to not be VP (for which I am thankful).
Yes… but then there are the emails remiscent of the Obamabot’s thuggery:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10170139
No matter how you spin it or who you think you are, my vote is not going to Sen. Obama your candidate.
Remenber the story of the young man in Texas who claimed to have been involved in an accident……and posted that it was not necessary to go to the voting boot…
Who cares what a newspaper think. We can think for ourselves, your candidate, Sen. Obama is not getting my vote.
Nice try
Perhaps the leaker(s) were on a sour-grapes mission, seeking the satisfaction of publicly swiping at odious ex-colleagues
….or perhaps Obama’s campaign paid out a hefty price, a dollar figure that couldn’t be turned down to some staffer(s) in exchange for the smear job.
The corporate media is at it again…
They desparately wanted McCain the entire time. They tried to push Hillary out since Iowa–primary after primary, they’ve tried to push her out.
The truth is, Hillary is unbeatable. She (and Bill) was beaten but only by a trifecta of race-baiting assholes, namely the Obama, the GOP, and of course the puppet masters pulling all the strings controling everything–the corporate media.
Keep in mind:
1. The powers that be, i.e. corporate American, deathly feared the Clinton brand. Corporate America owns both the GOP and the mainstream “liberal” media which is incessantly obsessed with black crime + white victims.
2. The media desparately wanted morally compromised candidate for McCain to run against, i.e. Obama, then Edwards.
3. Obama alone could NOT have successfully race-baited the Clintons.
4. The GOP and the corporate media combined could NOT have race-baited the Clintons. They done so repeatedly in the past and failed, due to a real love affair, which no longer exists thanks to Obama, between the black community and the Clintons, from Arkansas up to January 2008.
5. Obama is nothing more than a catalyst, i.e. a Manchurian Candidate, for the race-baiting (divide & conquer, “operation chaos”) tactics the corporate media incessantly employs, though never with any success–until now.
There’s one other theory I haven’t read here yet:
Yesterday I was reading posts from SusanUnPC that the PUMA movement was starting to unravel and infighting was becoming a problem. Now the negative coverage about the memos hits the MSM (yet still reveals that Clinton took the high road morally). And I’m reading a thread where PUMA pride is swelling and people are focused on the issues at hand again. Was this perhaps strategic move to get our blood boiling again before the convention?
Just a thought.
If it was, it worked.
Blood boiling here. Yep.
I’m still thinking that BO’s putting out the name of a different vp choice every other day is just a ploy to buildup some suspense and/or hold-off HRC to see if something will stick to her.
BO has chosen Bill to speak on Wed. and he will introduce the vice-president (”whoever she may be”). I think BO will be forced to choose her, not that he wants to, but because he is afraid of the damage she could do trying and perhaps winning the right to have her name put into nomination. She is holding the cards on that one.
He is in Hawaii taking care of the bc thingee and his minions are trying to scare the delegates out of signing her petition. Methinks the petition, from what Hillary said to someone at a fundraiser, has been accomplished and is being held by one of our own.