Obama on Georgia — Simply Lost
By Charles Lemos on August 12, 2008 at 9:35 PM in Barack Obama, Foreign Policy, Russia
Let’s see if I got this right, Obama is calling for:
1) United Nations Security Council Resolution condemning Russia. Problem: Russia is a Permanent Member of the United Nations with Security Council and thus has veto power over any resolution. Sure you can have a debate at the Security Council, actually there already have been, but it isn’t going to go anywhere. Obama does not seem to understand how international politics is played. While Obama talks, Russian tanks have severed Georgia in two. Gori has fallen and Russia seems to have set its sights on the capital, Tbilisi.
2) Replacing Russian peace-keeping troops in South Ossetia with a multi-national force. Problem: Russia is a Permanent Member of the United Nations with Security Council and thus has veto power over any UN peace-keeping force. And does Senator Obama really think that Russia is going to allow a United Nations peace-keeping force made up of foreign troops, albiet under UN command, on its southern flank? Proposing non-starters is a waste of time. Try being realistic.
3) Condemning Russian actions in the court of world public opinion. Problem: Does Russia care what the world thinks at this point? Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin met with US President Bush in Beijing the day the crisis erupted. President Bush issued stern warnings to both sides. Putin then flew off to North Ossetia to direct the Russian campaign. French President Nicolas Sarkozy is off to Moscow tomorrow. The Russians have already stated that the French peace proposals are DOA (dead on arrival).
4) Sending an objective and neutral International Mediator to the region. Problem: There’s nothing to mediate at this point. I wrote earlier that Russia will accept a cease-fire when Russia achieved its war aims. I was mistaken to believe those war aims were limited to ousting Georgian forces from South Ossetia but it is now increasingly clear that Russia aims to take control of Georgia. Georgia is an imperfect democracy but it is a democracy. It won’t be one much longer. A puppet government is on its way and I expect right now that President Mikhail Saakashvili will form a government in exile. What is there to mediate? And between whom? Russia will redraw the borders in the Caucusus because it can. We are powerless. I wrote earlier that we lost this round, let’s not lose the next. The next one is the Ukraine and Moldova.
Obama’s assertion that Russia has escalated this war beyond South Ossetia, while factual, misses the whole point. This war is not about South Ossetia. South Ossetia may have been the casus belli but this splendid little war for Russia is a message to the United States, to Europe and to NATO that Russia is a player. Call it a greeting card from a resurgent Russia.
The West made many mistakes. We pushed for Kosovar independence and recognized a state that has no business being a state. When Brazil and India note that they would only recognize Kosovo when Serbia did, that was the right path to take. Furthermore, the Bush Administration pushed for missile defence systems in the Czech Republic and Poland to protect Europe from an Iranian attack. I am not sure how putting such a shield in Poland protects Europe from Iran. No matter the intent, the Russians clearly felt that these were directed at them. With the prospects of Georgia and the Ukraine becoming NATO members, Russia was clearly unhappy at that. Georgia is paying the price of Western mistakes plus its own miscalculations. Much is yet unclear how this war was orchestrated but it does seem that Russia goaded Georgia into an armed intrusion into South Ossetia. It was a trap. The West now faces tough choices.
Obama’s calls seem more of his kumbaya oh lord kumbaya rhetoric that simply shows how out of touch the very junior Senator from Illinois is. The joke is that when Obama found out that Georgia had been attacked, he asked if Atlanta was okay. The corollary is that when McCain found out, he promised to send to General Sherman.
Georgia is lost. Let’s not lose the Ukraine. Putin has run circles around Bush, can you imagine Obama? At least with McCain, he has been sounding the alarm for a decade. Experience does count. So does realism and Obama on Georgia shows a fatal flaw. He is divorced from reality.
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Soros fingerprints are all over this conflict:
creepysleepy.com/crane/?p=916
He loves stirring up conflict in the Caucasus. It is fairly well-accepted that the Rose Revolution was of his doing. All the best Islamic terrorists come from Chechnya these days.
A truly horrible, worse-than-Bush, performance by the junior senator. He clearly just had this thing faxed and handed to him as he got off the beach and didn’t bother to preread or rehearse it – as if the world couldn’t wait 15 more minutes until he prepared himself to do a good job of reading someone else’s ideas.
And what is up with “you guys” and “thanks guys” before and after the script? It’s childish.
This event is a big deal! Russian tanks invading free countries! It’s history repeating itself and Obama is treating this like some high school girl in civics class. Can’t we all just talk this through and get along?
The fake outrage is uninspiring.
In contrast, look at the video of McCain on this topic. Night and day. President and junior senator (state legislator who got lucky).
Obama is not who he says he is. And it’s becoming more obvious every day what a risk he is to the security of the world.
I concur. He actually needed advisors to write something for him to say since I don’t think he even knows where Georgia is. I don’t think Obama even took any questions since he knows he could not even answer rudimentary questions on this topic.
Yes. The question is: Can three hundred advisors write an email that a green senator can read?
I think you guys have this all wrong.
I think he is quite capable and he doesn’t need that much to look sharp.
You miss his issue.
He has a reputation for being a lazy legislator and it is showing.
He is a spoiled child and he has gotten his way most of his life. Why work so hard?
That is the one thing I liked about Mr. Clinton, he was hard working. I admired that.
“You guys” and “thanks, guys” is what a SENIOR says to a JUNIOR. It is the way someone with the upper hand makes the more menial feel like they’re halfway important.
Noblesse oblige.
The press is “in the tank” and he treats them accordingly.
What happens with high school GIRLS? Any problem? Do you think that girls are less capables? a little bit more incompetent than boyzzz, you-guy? By the way whatever girl is better than Odrama. Or whatever boy.
Can’t he travel with a teleprompter? His need to look down constantly to read a policy paper worked out by his 300 advisors and emailed to him evokes Bush!
If he had a teleprompter, we’d just see his head swinging right and left, not hear him uh-uhing as much as he tries to find his place. His
clipped speech makes me think he is bored and ready to get back to one of
his rap songs on his iPod or watch TV.
I know!!!!
He made it so obvious that he was reading cue cards.
Starts every sentence with “I”. I did this, I propose that, I call this, the precious has no idea the presidency is not about “I”, it is about us.
He ought to sing “Ay, ay, ay, ay….canta y no llores” when he does his Hispanic outreach.
He’s got that AY word down, at any rate!
Obama does not even know where Georgia is. His advisors write a statement and he comes out and reads it then goes back and plays basketball. I bet he did not even take any questions since he would have looked like a fool if he did.
All I can say is GOD HELP US.
Amen. My thought exactly. The man is an idiot.
Oh I hear ya…God Help Us! This speech sounded like something a “mommy” would say to their young children on the playground. I need a Mai Tai!
We need to help ourselves, Obama has not won yet so people need to do more to try and defeat him.
That link didn’t work. Here’s the article:
George Soros & The Georgian Conflict
(Highlights)
Zionist Billionaire Soros installed Shevardnadze’s young protege, Mikhail Saakashvili, as the new and current President of Georgia. During the three months before the coup, Saakashvili, who was schooled & groomed in America, was glorying in lavish treatment from the Zionist led US State Department and the Jewish controlled media. And in the previous summer Soros had flown Saakashvili and his followers to a “revolution training seminar” in Belgrade Serbia.
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Back in Georgia from his training by Soros in Belgrade, Saakashvili led thousands of demonstrators brandishing fresh red roses in their takeover of the President’s palace. This occurred in the freezing Georgian winter when fresh roses had to be flown in — courtesy George Soros, who had spent $42 million on his new Georgian puppet. No sooner had Saakashvili taken office that he vowed to bring the Russian supported South Ossetia & Abkhazia breakaway provinces back under Georgian control.
Soros and the US State Department, indeed, had publicly committed themselves to propping up the current anti-Russian Georgian President, Mikhail Saakashvili, considered by many to be an authoritarian thug. A confrontation between Russia and the US was now in the works. And it has come to a head with the recent conflagration in South Ossetia.
Obama is Soros’ puppet.
I would question any article that refers to Soros as a Zionist. He is rabidly anti-Israel, and blames European anti-semitism on Israeli policy. Though Soros may have influence, I would dig deeper.
Agree ….Soros cannot be Prez so he will be the puppet master. Unless we expose this and them.
Can you believe the arrogance? Obama is entirely too full of himself.
“for many months I have warned blah blah blah”. No, he hasn’t. He’s not said a single word about it.
This man is a legend in his own mind. He’s the xeroxed image of george w. bush.
oh, he “re-iterates his call”, I’m sure that’s going to stop them dead in their tracks.
I want McCain or, preferably, Hillary handling this crisis, NOT Obama and certainly not bush.
Bush made this possible with his unprecedented pre-emptive strike and invasion of a sovereign nation. Bush has given Russia permission to take Georgia just as bush invaded Iraq. Now Obama is expecting them to stop merely because HE says they should. Yup, that aughta do it, they’ll think twice before they mess with obama again. He’ll reiterate his call if they don’t watch it!
If this is his 3am test call, he has failed miserably.
Warned about WHAT? All he talks about is sitting down and talking to our enemies without preconditions. I have never heard him make a single strong foreign policy statement with any meat to it.
I’ve watched Putin for years.
He is no idiot and he is a patriot to his country.
To understand him you have to understand that.
He was not going to tolerate for long the British Intelligence/Soros shenanigans going on in Georgia.
He knows that Korea and Vietnam both show that drawn out, back and forth, police action type skirmishes are a recipe for disaster.
The Muslims, from what was southern USSR, have already conducted terrible terrorist attacks against Russia.
So, he acted swiftly and decisively, and, in my observation, has thwarted an intricate and long term threat against his country.
Frankly, I was not surprised that Bush came out against the action. He and his family have always worn Union Jack panties as far as I am concerned.
Of course, Obama, being a puppet of Soros and crowd, same as the Georgia President, would be against Russia’s action.
John surprised me. I figured he would be a little more analytical than he has been. Of course he could have been running cover for our State Department. Ziggy B’s son works there and is doing everything he can to fulfill daddy’s consuming hatred of Russia.
“John surprised me. I figured he would be a little more analytical than he has been. Of course he could have been running cover for our State Department. Ziggy B’s son works there and is doing everything he can to fulfill daddy’s consuming hatred of Russia.”
How could you be surprised by John McCain’s reaction when he has publicly loathed Russia for decades? He’ll make a great cold war president.
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mccain i think is more pragmatic. he is banging the drums right now to show the difference between him and obama.
Here’s a head up Bill Clinton will announce Obama’s VP that means one thing it’s HILLARY….DAMN
Oh God, say it isn’t so…
Your source on this Heads Up?
no its kerry
Tom Dashle.
Bill Clinton?
Daffy Duck
Any silly fool that will not OUTSHINE the ANOINTED ONE.
Someone they think will plug an EXPERIENCE HOLE and who will take orders, shut up, and stand back when His Oneness
speakspontificates.I don’t care if they dig up Pope John Paul the Second, take his DNA and clone it with DNA from JFK, FDR, Mother Theresa, Abraham Lincoln and Sojourner Truth, and create a “Super VP” who will, like Obama, try to be all things to all people, I’m still not voting for Mr. Overstuffed dot com.
I think the man is an IDIOT. And worse, a (lousy) bullshitter.
naw, it’s someone boring and will not help the ticket that is drowing in boredom.
I’m betting on Hagel(R). Don’t ask why because I don’t know, but it’s a feeling.
hagel? hmmmmmmm! i just smiled thinking about how dk would react. not well would be my guess. the cool kid bloggers under the bus. and the bus will run over them several times. hehehe
Source please?
If so, then Hillary is a fool!
not neccessarily.
I am beginning to believe that Obama doesn’t actually want to be President, he just wants to be the first elected Black President.
It all fits with his pattern.
Just like in his first US senate term where he anounced after 144 days his intention to run for American Idol, i mean president…Within the first 144 days of his first term he is planning ton announcing he is running for Miss World and will hand over the office to his vice president while he goes off to get fitted for a Bob Mackie evening gown, and learns to toss a batton.
Why would anyone think he is in any way prepared to deal with this? We’ve been saying the same thing for months: based on what? Foreign policy is incredibly intricate and complex–you cannot make it up as you go along based on abstractions like “peace” & “hope.” I hope this aggression wakes people up to the consequences of electing a Prom King.
Maybe Obama will introduce himself as VP,Hell he probable thinks he could do both jobs. lol
Maybe I am speculating to much
I thought he was sending out notice of the VP choice via text message. Won’t it be announced before the Convention?
Just because Bill is playing a Convention role doesn’t mean it’s necessarily Hillary.
Who knows Fred, If Obama was smart he would pick Hillary. Thank god he has shown no evidence of being smart. Also the “theme” for the day the VP speaks is “National Security”. Which makes me think Chuck Hagel. Fox news is speculating it may be John Kerry.
Yea, that’s a good idea–a competition to see who can be more elitist. Didn’t work so well for the Dems the last time did it?
Kerry would be too much of a gift! Please, please, please, let it be Kerry.
I don’t think he’d have a Clinton announcing a Clinton. They are, after all, trying to take over and push them out. He’d be more likely to have Bill announce someone else entirely. I don’t think Bill will be announcing the VP at all. Fortunately, I don’t think either Clinton will be doing much after the convention except thinking toward 2012. At least I hope so.
Would Hillary be dumb enough to accept an Obama VP? If she would then her career goes down with his.
Well, with all the crap blowing around Obama if Hillary was VP she could then step right into the POTUS spot and clean up this friggin’ mess.
Obama will go down one way or another but we better HOPE that its before Novemeber cause we know there will be NO impeachment no matter what he does in the WH.
Has a VP nominee ever been moved into the POTUS slot before a General election? Any historians in the house?
Agree about Hagel. My question is why DNC would take a chance on a socially Conservative Republican incumbent, which Hagel would be after 4 or (godforbid)8years. Or what if Obama died in office or was removed for some reason?
He owns a company that makes ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES, that’s why.
Those machines made by HIS COMPANY are in a lot of battleground states, too.
It would take the wind out of Obamas sails, how can Obama continue to bash McCain for voting with Bush 95% of the time and then pick Hagel who voted with Bush 97% of the time? Like I said before intelligence is not Obamas strong suit, so who knows.
LOOOOOL OMG John Kerry as the VP….THAT WOULD BE HILARIOUS!!!
Didn’t they lean the last time they ran him? Windsurfers never win the general.
think about michelle,she will be pissed!
Obama wants to be President. He does not actually care about doing the job right or having any knowledge about the world. He is the Democrats Bush.
Obama/Kerry would be the Dem version of Bush/Cheney. Who’s really running the country?
If he does pick Kerry, I bet it was Uncle Teddy’s idea…
and then we’d have two people who could be accused of “being against the war before they were for it”, or the “flip flop twins”. ONe is wind surfing, the other body surfing.
that is a disaster, but, well go for it, Barky!
LOL, oh dear, I’d happily forgotten all about Kerry.
Kerry as a potential VP is something I hadn’t considered.
Where are those pictures of Kerry and those young girls drinking?
“For many months, I’ve warned….”
Scuse me? I never heard him say any of that stuff. Furthermore he can’t even pronounce the countries.
I see he has flip flopped over his first comments between body surfs. Naturally he waited, as always, for his opponent to come up with an intelligent answer and now he has decided Russia is wrong.
“I reiterate my call for Russia to stop…..”
Didn’t he say some “can’t we all get along” thing? What’s he reiterating?
Let me ask you, just listening to this man, do you think that any of what he is saying is coming from his own head….or heart? This is another written speech.
As for picking Hillary, I hope not because I will have to vote against her. And I will.
I’m with you Uppity Woman …there is no way I can vote for him.
Same here. Barky doesn’t get my vote ever.
God I truly intensely dislike Obama!
I’ll have to vote against her, too! She would stand zero chance of ever becoming POTUS if she made a stupid move like that. Not to mention I would begin to question if she and Bill are really all that I have thought they are!
agreed. even if he was shown to be ineligible and HRC would run in his place, the dems would have destroyed any trust they had with the voters by pushing a fraud.
I also surely do not hope that Hillary would even consider being the vp at this point. I would be really pissed about that. I do not want to see her attach herself to this loser. I think I would lose a lot of respect for her judgement if she were to agree to be VP. There would be nothing in it for her and could only help him. He doesn’t deserve the job, Barry Soto is inelligible to be POTUS, and he is just plain stupid, stupid, stupid!
Furthermore, to digress here a bit, I am holding out until the convention, but if Hillary is not the nominee, I will change my party affiliation the very next day and urge my friends and family to the same.
Charles Lemos:
What do you make of the US Naval build up on the Persian Gulf?
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5499
China and Russia seem to be blocking stiffer sanctions for Iran… Something is up but I am not sure what…
Might Georgia be Russian’s price for its vote for stronger sanctions against Iran?
Yep, Israel is getting ready to take on Iran and of course we will be entangled in that strategy. 2 fleets increased to 5 in recent weeks. Something is definitely up.
The world community sat around with its thumb up its collective ass hoping Israel would do out of necessity that international community has no will to do. For Israel’s sake I hope there’s some back up when Hezbollah rockets begin falling on Rosh Hanikra, Tiberius…
that will insure defeat of obama. world problems make people run from democrats.
Hilary as VP sounds better every day.
Obama’s statement on Georgia was weak and measured.
http://joeclaygoesaway.blogspot.com
Hillary as VP only if Obama is indicted before the general and has to step off the ticket and into sing sing.
I have not been following events in the Middle East as closely as I should. It’s not one of my areas of expertise. I focus on Europe, Africa, Latin America, and South East Asia. I try to cover South Asia as well. My weaknesses are the Middle East, Cenral Asia, Oceania and East Asia.
Thanks for the link and I will look into it.
I have received some questions from my friends on where I get my information from to know that Sen. Obama is no good. A source? Ha ha….The guy alone is my source. His inconsistencies, arrogance, and inexperience are enough for me to know he is not made for POTUS.
That said, I think we, PUMAs, are all on board with why Obama should not become president. In fact, we probably know more than other people who are fine with the MSM’s gracious coverage of Obama’s campaign. However, when trying to convince our friends, coworkers, and maybe even family members on why Obama is no good, a book that has exhaustively documented Obama’s inadequacies is nice to recommend to these people. The point of this update is to inform all of you on a new book that was brought to my attention. The book has been recently published and documents what makes Obama wrong for the Oval Office. It is composed by a couple of guys from the younger generation, which is pretty interesting considering a lot of the Obambi hype seems to reside with the younger generation. I think I have said enough; here is the site for the book: http://whoistherealbarackobama.com
NOBAMBA
I agree, we need to do more than just vote for McCain — we need to convince others to do the same since we are up against a media that is actually campaigning for Obama.
If PUMA wants to save Hillary from campaigning for a nut like Obama then they should show up with 100 – 200 people protesting Obama at every location she campaigns for him. This would be such a negative distraction that the Obama campaign will release her from the Obama bandwagon.
People need to do more than talk about upending Obama they need to take serious action and come up with effective ideas.
When Obama says, “I have consistantly called for…” that really means “I haven’t given this issue one moment’s thought.” If anyone can find an instance, besides this bullfest, where Obama called for strengthening relations between Georgia and transatlantic institutions I will build an altar and sacrifice a he bullock in your name.
The balloon over his head at this press conference read, “I wish I had convened the subcommittee on European Affairs. Then maybe I might be able to do a better job pretending I know what the hell I’m doing here.”
McCain is looking better and better every day. I can’t believe I just said that. I loathe you Pampers.
“I have consistantly called for…” that really means “I haven’t given this issue one moment’s thought.”
That is an Obambi tell, to let you now he is going to spew bullshit.
Anothe Obambi tell is “Somehow the notion that blah blah blah…”
If you hear any Obambi sentence with “Notion” in it, be prepared to shovel the bull slop.
And, yes, that is why the Obots have “Brown” shirts. What color could they be with that stuff spit at them 24/7?
“As I have consistently said”
“As I have said”
they’re all big signals that a huge Obama lie is about to follow.
Obama is consistently inconsistent on what he says.
It’s really scary to think of Obama handling foreign affairs. He’s so full of hubris, he has this attitude that he has all the answers and everybody else is just stupid.
This is an odd comparison, but when Al Sharpton was protesting the Bell verdict, Obama completely fouled up that “diplomacy.” The people, the event, the emotions involved, completely sailed over his head. He blew it, he alienated people, he irritated Sharpton, and he accomplished nothing. If that had been a conflict between countries with armies and weapons, we’d be in real trouble.
If Obama irritated Sharpton then I will actually have to give him credit. I’ve been wanting to irritate Sharpton all my life.
Georgia was the aggressor and is nondeserving of NATO protection. Of course Cold War McSame came out strong against Russia. He is an old man with obsolete, barely coherent ideas about foreign policy.
“Much is yet unclear how this war was orchestrated but it does seem that Russia goaded Georgia into an armed intrusion into South Ossetia. It was a trap. The West now faces tough choices.”
Proof, please.
Wow, innocent women and children are underserving of protection? You sound exactly like a Bushbot talking about Iraq and how it deserved to be bombed back to the Stone Age. Please go choke on your tongue.
Obumba flip flops on Russian Aggression.
FROM MILK TOAST INTERNATIONALIST TO BRAVE McCAIN-LIKE WARRIOR
…In under 24 hours.
8-8-08-OBUMBA: “I strongly condemn the outbreak of violence in Georgia, and urge an immediate end to armed conflict. Now is the time for Georgia and Russia to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full scale war. Georgia’s territorial integrity must be respected. All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Georgia, and the United States, the United Nations Security Council, and the international community should fully support a peaceful resolution to this crisis.”
After John McCain’s excellent Statement, Obbumba came out with a new statement:
“I condemn Russia’s aggressive actions and reiterate my call for an immediate ceasefire… Russia must stop its bombing campaign, cease flights of Russian aircraft in Georgian airspace, and withdraw its ground forces from Georgia.”
On another thread, I wondered what Ohdumdum would have said if he’d been alive in December 1941:
“I strongly condemn the outbreak of violence in Hawaii, and urge an immediate end to armed conflict. Now is the time for the United States and Japan to show restraint, and to avoid an escalation to full scale war. America’s territorial integrity must be respected. All sides should enter into direct talks on behalf of stability in Hawaii, and we need to form a happy little Kumbayah Circle with members of the international community to fully support a peaceful resolution to this crisis.”
That would have gone over real well on the homefront, I’m sure….
He may have have followed up with:
Georgia did make a mistake in the invasion of S. Ossetia yet Nato was also at fault for not admitting Georgia until they pacified these two rebellious states (S. Ossetia and Abkhazia). The Russians supplied arms, troops and other support to Ossetia and Abkhazia since the early 90s. McCain is RIGHT to set FiRM boundries with the Russians. The Russians are brutal and show no mercy with any perceived threat to their national interests. Ossetia and Abkhazia are seen as part of their sphere of influence. McCain is WISE not OBSOLETE.
Remember the murdered Russian journalist whose death Alexander Litvinenko had been investigating believed Putin’s regim was “killing” democracy in Russia?
The November 26, 2006 Herald Sun said the following:
“In one of her final interviews, Anna Politkovskaya said President Putin was to blame for fuelling terrorism and returning Russia to Stalinism.
Speaking to the BBC, she painted a picture of a country where terrorism would remain a threat for at least 20 years and gave a chilling portrait of the man at its helm.”
go get it yourself, troll.
It behooves you to read or at least click the links that have been provided. And though not reflected in this post, Russia has been increasing the pressure in the Caucusus since April. Read the international press or at least my blog where I cover these issues more in depth.
And I do not excuse the West nor the Bush Administration. Recognizing Kosovo was a serious blunder. But the aggressor here is Russia and has been since 1992 when the first Caucusus War broke out. Russia claims that it went in to defend Russian citizens. That claim is highly dubious. It is in fact not different than Hilter’s claims in 1938 on Germans in Czech Sudtenland. Are you telling me that Hitler had cause in 1938?
With his head going up and down instead of left to right…those ears look like horns…LOL…I never really noticed them except in cartoons..maybe because I usally cannot stand to listen to him or watch him for any length of time..I’d much rather just read the transcript..he is comical..
Ariana at Huffington Post…is calling on Nobama is be studying up on National Security so he can prove he is ready on day one and McCain isn’t…I guess a comedy skit might break up the tension alittle…
Pampers is a living bobble head.
Fred,
I hear Obambi wants McCain as his VP, how else can you explain this, lol. http://www.BarrySoetoro.com
……… then again I heard McCain wants Hillary as VP, how else can you explain this, lol. http://www.BarrySoetoro.com
Limited note:
As to getting a UNSC resolution condemning the Russian actions, of course Russia can veto it, but if the rest of the UNSC or all but a few of its members vote for a resolution in that direction, it still hurts Russian propaganda. It’s certainly just one thing among others, it’s not something on which to rest all hope.
McCain said on Aug. 11, 2008, “The United States and our allies should continue efforts to bring a resolution before the UN Security Council condemning Russian aggression, noting the withdrawal of Georgian troops from South Ossetia, and calling for an immediate ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory. We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion.”
The world’s opinion, while not necessarily modifying Russia’s behavior directly, does make it easier or harder to coordinate action against Russia on this. And it’s not to be assumed that Putin ultimately doesn’t care at all about world opinion – last I heard, Russia’s gross domestic product was about the size of Portugal’s.
Obama is POTUS material alright POSER of the US that is.
What worthless pile.
This would be an even better post if the writer would place McCain’s statement/You Tube message as well on this site.
It was absolutely striking the difference in the settings for the message given by both nominees. It was more striking to observe who looked more presidential and able to respond to a crisis on Day One! As a Democrat, who plans to vote outside my party this year, I felt good with McCain standing there and speaking on America’s behalf.
Does Senator Obama travel with a suit or is he really on a real vacation and cannot bother with making himself look more patriotic and like a REAL LEADER?
I noticed that! Are you talking about the way he was dressed casually and all in black? His clothes looked like they didn’t fit. The color was all wrong too, who wears all black in Hawaii on vacation?
I agree, that image of him certainly made an impression on me. He looked out of place, unprepared, and as if he was wearing somebody’s hand me downs.
Honestly, if he wore a suit it would have looked like he was trying to hard to look presidential. He’s screwed either way because he’s in way over his head. Wardrobe can’t mask this huge flaw.
maybe he should try michelle’s wardrobe!
John McCain understands Putin:
Obumba and his supporters would turn over the keys of America to Putin.
Putin can read people. Obama is too busy reflecting on his own awesomeness to read anybody.
America, please do not elect this Obummer.
At least the West has Sarkozy.
I look into McCain’s beady, weathered old eyes and all I see are four letters: PNAC.
“McCain has surrounded himself with the best and brightest from the now-defunct Project for the New American Century: Randy Scheunemann, one of its directors, is serving as McCain’s top foreign policy advisor. He is joined by PNAC’s founder, Bill Kristol, along with Gary Schmitt (President), Robert Kagan (director), and James Woolsey (signatory).
More than any other group, PNAC has exerted the greatest influence over the Bush administration with regard to foreign policy. In 1998, PNAC sent a letter to President Clinton (signed by the likes of Cheney, Rumsefeld, Wolfowitz, and others) urging him to effect regime change in Iraq because of Saddam Hussein’s so-called development of WMDs. Clinton responded by initiating Operation Desert Fox, bombing military targets over a period of several days to “degrade” Iraq’s ability to produce nuclear weapons.
A mere nine days after 9/11, PNAC sent a letter (signed again by many of the same luminaries) asking that President Bush attack Iraq even if no links to 9/11 were found. The Bush administration promptly proceeded to do just that: according to the testimony of ex-CIA and FBI, every intelligence agent in Iraq was tasked to discover links between Hussein and al-Qaeda. When they came up with nothing, they were ordered to look again. Despite the lack of credible links, the Bush administration proceeded to act as PNAC had requested.”
Pravda troll go get a life please.
You better read up on Obama, if this is the best you can do.
You are one big hypocrite, just like most Obama supporters.
PNAC did not influence Pres. Clinton’s decision to initiate Desert Fox. It was a combination US and British effort. Try thinking for yourself, instead of the cut and paste.
Painful.
That video (well for me it is audio because I cannot watch him, I open another tab in my browser) was just painful. It sounded as if he’d spent the day rehearsing the words “Ossetia” and its leader. He slowed down every time he had to say either. It sounded like he was reading off of notes and he sounded very nervous.
I’m with you AF, I cannot watch him, I rather read what he says. If he sounded nervous, he should be….he’s in way over his head.
I do recommend listening to him without watching.
Oddly it is like reading a transcript, you can catch all the bullshit. Plus, most transcripts skip over the uh uhs (except Rush Limbaugh’s transcriber includes all of them LOL.)
Get ready for it….I think I can do it…..”“Ossetia””…whew!……
He said it like it was a turd bein’ born..
Putin’s Administration founded summer youth camps in 2005. Thousands of young Russians are spending part of the summer at a camp run by a pro-Kremlin youth group.
Portraits of Putin are hung around the camp. The camp includes music, exercise and politics (political indoctrination).
Gee, doesn’t this sound like Obama’s summer camp?
Obambi, don’t you want to just sit down and talk with Putin, along with all the other thugs in the world?
Here’s a thought Obambi, why not push for Georgia and the Ukraine to be admitted into NATO. If you want your European fan club to a part of the peace process, make them put out some meaningful actions, not “JUST WORDS”.
Hillary pushed for the Ukraine and Georgia admittance into NATO, and pointed out Dubya’s failure to make it happen.
Obambi is afraid his adoring European Fans won’t love him if he asks them to actually do something.
Obambi is “The Zero” Ø.
He’s reading it straight off his notes. He tries to look up now and then, but he’s clearly completely unfamiliar with the information he’s trying to present. He has no idea what he’s talking about.
Exactly! At first he tried to read it with not too much looking at the notes and mid way gave up and simply read from the notes. You see he had to come up to speed in may be 20 minutes once his advisers wrote that for him — not enough time to internalize it and of course, he had to go body surfing or some such thing too right? After all, he is on vacation.
Also,, do you see how self conscious he is saying those names? you can barely hear.
Obama is like so many “smart” college guys — they could ace the tests — but their retention of the information was close to zero. My grades may not have been a great as theirs were — but I had excellent retention of the subject matter.
Hillary is both very smart and she has excellent retention of critical details — and she has the rare ability to see how facts fit together — I’ve heard this called vertical logic.
yeah, and maybe if he had gotten off his arse and held a committee meeting, he just might be a little better prepared. send him back to chicago.
This is certainly an August surprise (to many): a confrontation with the Russians that makes soaring rhetorics becomes so much ineffectual chirping.
From the Washington Post: Moscow Agrees To Georgia Truce
Russian Attacks Continue After Statement
TBILISI, Georgia, Aug. 12 — Russia said Tuesday that it had ended its five-day tank and bomber assault against Georgia and agreed to a French peace plan by which most Russian forces would return home and international mediators would work to settle the long and explosive conflict between Georgia and Russian-backed South Ossetian separatists.
No specifics — Russia calls Georgia the aggressor.
So who is going to teach Obamaling about real International politics and Geography? Since he seems to “know” everything, this could be a hard job.
To all readers: I employ you in the strongest terms not to elect Obama, do not trust this man, he is not(I assure you) qualified, knowledgable enough, experienced enough to be Commander-In-Chief. He does not fully comprehend the details regarding Domestic and International issues. What he promises you cannot be accomplished–I swear to you. I beg you to listen to me. John McCain is more than qualified to be our next President.
Charles Monaghan,PhD., Political Science
most of us here do not want Obama elected. feel free to put your reasons out there as we are all hungry for information to make sure he is defeated.
Let’s hear it Charles. Hey maybe be a guest on one of the PUMAS blogtalk radio.
What do you say?
Jesus – how pathetic. The new village idiot.
Hillary could do 30 minutes on the subject without being breifed.
“briefed” (sp. error)
If Obama picks Hillary he had better run for cover. Michelle would scratch his eyes out.
On the other hand it would be the smartest move for Obama to make. Hillary is the only way that Obama will win the election if he is the Presidental nomination.
If Hillary accepts a VP position it would be the dumbest move for her political career. All of Obama’s crap is going to eventually catch up with him and when it does he will bring all around him down. Look at what Obama has already done to his close friends and mentors. So when Obama finally crashes and burns who do you think he will be pointing fingers at.
Obama takes no blame for anything he says, has said, has done or does.
YAEH –just the way ,she wanted to take out bill,s eyes out .she is a witch
Motherf*kers, wake up!! Your saviour Mccain is about to start a war with Russia!!!! Guess all of you brain dead hillary supporters would rather have another world war.
Sandy…. Its bedtime.
sandy —cool down –go put ur head in ur shitthole –may be u will feel better .
no troll. your buddy bush is about to start a war, and both HRC and McCain have been warning about it for a long time.
Well the good side of it is this. We could use you, Obama, Dean, Kerry, Edwards, Michelle, Nance and Uppity Troll as cannon fodder.
you need some meds sandy. a lot of them!
OBAMA=PERFECT STORM
DO WE WANT IT ?NOT ME –I WILL VOTE MCAIN
Proof please.
go get your own proof. we don’t work for you.
Should have marked it to Sandy. My bad. Sandy – okay? I’m a friend here.
Sooooo…BO says we need to have closer ties with Georgia…does that mean that though he was sniping about McCain’s staffer who was a lobbyist for Georgia, that he agrees with him? Oh, and what money does he plan to send there to rebuild?
And BO wants humanitarian assistance for “both sides”. Does that mean he wants us to help out the Russian military, if any of them were injured?
BO is SO unprepared it’s astounding! And these are words prepared by a number of the 300 who know more about the situation than he does! hoooboy…
Hate to tell you Sandy but Obama knows so little about these countries and how to handle them he would probably make it worse.
Obama doesnt know the first thing about handling problems like this. If he had spend a bit more time on his committees, people would have a bit more faith in him.
there are 2 choices A or B
A) is easily munipulated by the people around him and there is no real message for his campain AND dozens of players within the camp where fired alrdy and a new slogan every week
B) is running the best campain ever with no major shake-ups to his camp and one slogan
A) lost a million and some change of registered voters
B) has millions of new voters
A) has shown poor judgement and has cost the Americans billions and is willing to war with whoever
B) wouldve kept us out of the “dumbest war in american history” and wouldve concentrated on getting 9/11 attackers and in doing so wouldve saved us billions and thousands of thousands of lifes
A) is an elitist with 9 homes private jet and bus and claims the other guy who has one home is an elitist although B has a pair of pants he has worn for over 10 years and A wears 500 dollers shoes
B) just got done paying of his student loans does charity work and used to teach at a college
A) was involved in Keating 5 and wife shouldve got jail time for stealing drugs
B) has never been involved an anything like Keating 5 and wife has no addiction cover up
A) camp would be just as bad as the camp he is leading at the moment if he where to be POTUS
B) the best run camp would be the POTUS’s best run camp in the white house
If u go for A, then you really do “take pride in being ignorant” if u respond with something other than “no shet the choice is B” then realize there is something wrong with your perception and thought process and you need help
Or we could choose C and tell you to FUCK OFF.
oooh. I chose C!
C!!!!!!!!!!!
My fault, C is an option aswell
but to choose A would be…………..
“IT’s like THESE GUYS take pride in being ignorant…….”
THESE GUYS = those that wear ignorance on their sleeve on purpose ….. for what reason who knows……….
You like his ONENESS made no sense at all.
“If u go for A, then you really do “take pride in being ignorant” if u respond with something other than “no shet the choice is B” then realize there is something wrong with your perception and thought process and you need help”
sigh
i needed a laugh. thanks truth. i award you dumbest troll tonight.
anytime
He scares the shit outta me…
off topic, but wanted to share this, I thought it was interesting:
1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — “not available”
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — “not available”
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Hmmm…I see a pattern here…lol.
Another document we should ask to see is his baptismal certificate.
lol im pretty sure you could locate all these records, its not like these documents are locked up in vault….
like how JMAC locked up his VIETNAM records for eternity cause he didnt want the world to know what he really did while being a POW,, but at the same time he blocked families , who where searching for their lost loved ones who where also MIA POW’s,
WHY whould JMAC block these families from documents that couldve helped them find thier MIA POW family members u ask????
cause these documents wouldve exposed what JMAC was doing as a POW, songbird McCain, not tortured etc…
i guess a small price to pay for keeping the truth hidden…
think im LIEING? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related
“Its like these guys take pride in being ignorant..”
for the ignorant
this is a “study for the POW’S LEFT IN LAOS”
the lady speaking is looking for HER BROTHER who was MIA/POW, she wanted the documents DECLASSIFIED so she and all others can hopefully figure out what happend to the MIA’s POW’s
JOHNY MCCAIN blocked this , there fore keeping the study classified forever….
JOHN MCCAIN blocked it CAUSE it wouldve exposed everything that he did as a POW….everything..
notice how he is the only senator sitting, all others walked out on HIM leaving him there to defend his position ALONE…heres your MAVERICK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CazKanlYDg&feature=related
“Its like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
Little troll, please move along. McCain must certainly realize that the United States is in no position to start a war with anyone. Our military capacity is already stretched because of Iraq and Afghanistan.
To change the subject, does anyone else find it extremely annoying how Obama calls people “you guys”?
“Little troll, please move along”
whatever makes u sleep at night
Because Georgia is a Caucasus State, Obambi thinks he can win there by sending in busloads of college age Obot’s amped up on Kool Aid.
LMAO
lol, good one
Comment by truth | 2008-08-12 23:33:43
Yes we should take pitty on Obama since so many of his stories add up to such a poor guy.
Poor Obama had to endure his mother on welfare while he went to the most most preeminent schools in Hawaii.
Obama and his wife were earning over 200 k a year yet it took them almost 20 years to pay off college loans. (Give me a break). Oh I forgot Michelle is now earning 1/2 million a year since Obama got a bill passed benefitting her employers.
Poor Obama and his wife were only able to buy a 1.6 million dollar house due to their scantly pay and good friend/mentor Rezko. (opps not his friend anymore Rezko’s under the bus).
Oh and dont forget about all the Chicago housing projects Obama got money for to give the poorer residents of Chicago a better place to live. (opps I forgot most of that money was pocketed by the people he got the contracts for).
truth I have a feeling I have barely touched on all reasons why Obama is a humble and deserving candidate.
Hillary ‘08
McCain ‘08
truth I have a feeling I have barely touched on all reasons why Obama is a humble and deserving candidate.
k here choose A or B
A. has been corrupt for over 30 years and has cost tax payers billions ….KEATING 5
B. whatver u sed that would cost tax payers a few million, so on the corrupt scale 1-10 , he is a 2
……….PICK B , you know u want to..
“let me be clear” wth????
He called who?
I think Soetoro was given a piece of paper for Buck Buck number one….
UG. The guy creeps me out like having spiders crawling on me.
Senator Clinton does not need to read a message from a fortune cookie and whada we got here?
Good God! Listening to him was like trying to sit through a 3rd graders oral report which was written by the parent the night before, and was never read through even once before reciting.
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD IN THIS WORLD DELEGATES SAVE US FROM THIS NIGHTMARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me be clear. As I always have said, this guy doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about.
I thought he was in Hawaii. What was up with that jacket?
I think countries around the world are beginning to make premature moves feeling Obama is destined to become president. Obama is stupid, weak, and inept and other countries will no longer be able to rely on the US or feel they no longer need to be feared.
There is an increased chance that Israel will have to take things into their own hands dealing with Iran. If Obama wins this self called citizen of the world will find out he has turned the world into chaos. Obama has no clue — the media and voters who ached so much for a lousy feel good moment better enjoy it since they are willing to pay such a high price for it.
Obama is a bum,
hey calm down, stop fear mongering and name calling…..
“it’s like you take pride in being ignorant”
“Obama is a bum”
Agreed.
“hey calm down, stop fear mongering and name calling”
I don’t take orders from you.
“it’s like you take pride in being ignorant”
That is Obama’s territory.
“I don’t take orders from you.”
if u are innept on critizing properly , then THERE is something wrong with u and u need help
“it’s like YOU take pride in being ignorant”
I think my 10 year old granddaughter could have read that speech much better. I never saw so many mispronunciations from a man of his education, not to mention the need to go back and repeat sentences that he had not said right.
Obama cant even read a simple speech.
And he has the audacity to tell us to learn Spanish while he cannot even read English.
The recent history(the past 10 years, not just this week) of Georgia and the Caucusas States provides a glimpse of what we can expect from an Obambi presidency.
If you look at what Soros initiated and is currently promoting in the Caucusas, and compare it to the rhetoric from Obambi, the similarity is frightening.
The initial democratic reforms in the former Soviet States, are being abandoned in favor of “Enlightened authoritarianism”.
The democratic rhetoric in the newly independent states has passed through three stages:
(1) resolute statements about the democratic choice when these states gained their sovereignty;
(2) talk about the possibility of an exclusively
national democratic model;
(3) acceptance of enlightened authoritarianism
as the most appropriate political system.
“”Enlightened authoritarianism” is a conception that preserves the status quo. On the other hand, we can
ask: “What does it mean to be enlightened?” Does it mean the educational level? If it does, most
of the dictators of the distant and recent past were educated/enlightened people. In fact, practically all the authoritarian leaders and dictators at all times tried and are trying to pass for educated people aware of the nation’s hopes and needs. They repeat correct slogans at every opportunityand even enact the right laws.”
Obambi has demonstrated his “elite” enlightenment with all the rhetorical florishes in his slogans and speeches. He is steadfast in authoritarian control over his campaign, all monetary contributions are to be made to his campaign, not the party. And, he has usurped control of the DNC, and even hired a Chief of Staff for his VP, before selecting a VP.
All of which make Obambi’s “Civilian Security Force”, which he proposes to have the strength and funding of the military, an ominous proposition.
Those “advisors” that the Obots say will prevent stupid mistakes from an inexperienced Obambi are not short on stupid with the rest of the world. George Soros is undermining democratic reform in the former Soviet States.
Another Obama advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, proclaimed in his book “Between Two Ages “Marxism represents a further vital and creative stage in the maturing of man’s universal vision … Marxism is simultaneously a victory of the external, active man over the inner, passive man and a victory of reason over belief … Marxism, disseminated on the popular level in the form of communism, represents a major advance in man’s ability to conceptualize his relationship to the world.”
That is not a resounding tribute to Democracy.
These are the men and ideas behind Obambi. And Obambi is already forcing those principals upon te Democratic party, and his Campaign. If he wins in Nov, woe unto US.
This document is quoted above. Read it and weep: http://www.ca-c.org/online/2007/journal_eng/cac-02/cacE2(44),2007.PDF
George Soros wants to be rid of the Roosevelt Democratic Party as it has been known and rid of Democracy too!
Johnny, Where does the Control of everything by the big Corporations play in the “”Enlightened authoritarianism” Ideology? Do the New Democrats of Obamination think this is the only way to get around corporate control? And if so how?
funny how “OBAMBI”S timetable” is the only objective the IRAQ is willing to except,,
wow I CANT believe this guy thinks he going to b POTUS…. i’d radther B in IRAQ for decades NO MATTER how much the price tag would B!! paid for by our sweat blood and tears…….. I LOVE BEING OWNED BY CHINA FOR 100 years aswell!!
“it’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant”
Obama bit off more than he can chew for the Almighty Dollar.
“Obama bit off more than he can chew for the Almighty Dollar.”
wha……………. if your able to make a comment like this and not make any sense, then you need help
“its like these guys take pride in being ignorant”
Obama is incompetent, and McCain has nothing to do with what is about to unravel.
Under Bush, the United States has let itself get backed into a corner from which it can not easily escape. And there is no chance of our country remaining a superpower under Obama.
Hillary’s April statement was absolutely correct. The only thing that could have stopped this was bringing Georgia into NATO.
The world revolves around resources, trade, and every so often, sheer brute force. We have become a service sector economy. Get used to seeing other ballsy moves…can you say Taiwan? (guess what we can do if China makes that move)
Kumbahya and kittens are not what we are going to need in the near future.
A, B, C truth, I am cracking UP!
Obama is a national security threat as well as stupid. 300 advisers and he doesn’t come close to getting it right. If I were the US military right now I would be scared to death of an Obama presidency. His little I will talk to thugs like Putin without preconditions will get us a Red Dawn.
“his little i will talk to thugs like Putin without preconditions will get us a Red Dawn.”
WOW… YOUR TRULLY BELEIVE THIS? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN YOUR LIFE, THAT YOU BELIEVE A CANDIDATE WILL BRING A RED DAWN??, HOW MANY CANDIDATES YOU KNOW PREVIOUS TO O THAT BROUGHT US A RED DAWN?????
“its like these guys take pride in being ignorant”
Obama ears light up red everytime he looks down. It’s a glimpse of the devil that he is
“Obama ears light up red everytime he looks down. It’s a glimpse of the devil that he is”
sooo basically youre saying you HATE OBAMA, please explain how you came to this feeling?
i get it, alot of people like you HATE OBAMA WITH A PASSION…. I ALSO GET THAT SLAUNDERING ANY AND EVERYTHING ABOUT THE MAN MAKES YOU FEELL HAPPY.
BUT WHAT I DONT GET IS HOW YOU CAME TO THIS FEELING…. WALK ME THROUGH THE STEPS THAT BROUGHT YOU TO HATE OBAMA WITH A PASSION….
IF YOU CAN’T , AND YOU JUST HATE BECAUSE HE A DEM OR 50% AFRICAN OR A NOOB OR WHATEVER, THEN YOU NEED HELP
“its like these guys take pride in being ignorant”
He may have also followed up with:
I guess Putin would not behave because Obama says the winter Olympics in 2014 is important, so put down the guns forget everything and get ready to ski.
Obama is really a joke, I don’t feel the people of that region has the winter Olympics on their minds at the moment they could not care less if its on their doorsteps or not, or what is the motive of having any kind of Olympics.
When bombs are dropping, food getting scares, the place in ruins I don’t think anyone would be saying now look what Russia has done they have gone and spoil our Olympics.
thanks very much, guys
What? No Sweeties around??
very presidential, GUY!
B-b-but, but, Dubya looked into Puty’s eyes and saw a good soul there!!!
And it appears Obama is doing the same…
What a dolt!
C,D,E,…We choose not to buy “Truth’s” information.
We know Obot propaganda when we see it.
Having as many advisers as Mr. Obama has means that they are what he is not.
Obama’s gravest mistake is his failure to think. It seems that Obama’s suggestion that the issue of Georgia be taken up with the United Nations is an obvious lack of understanding and comprehensive thinking — Russia, a permanent member of the U.N. has veto power. And, as such, any suggestion that the matter be taken up with the U.N. is moot — Russian will veto anything it does not like.
But could communist-loving Obama’s comments be an attempt to throw everyone off. He wants to sound stern, but knowing that Russia can do what they want in the U.N. — thus Obama is not criticizing Russia — there are no worthwhile suggestions from him against Russia; only empty ones. Obama is in essence turning his head so as not to “see” what’s going on.
this man is crazy???? what he thinks that he is already president ???? soooo much arogance , go back to illinois obama hussein and dont make as mad
“this man is crazy???? what he thinks that he is already president ???? soooo much AROGANCE , go back to illinois obama hussein and DONT MAKE AS MAD”
I see your comment, and raise you another….
“its like these guys take pride in being ignorant”
FEC Investigation of Obama Eligibility
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/index.html
We need more signatures.all most there.Just go at the end where it ask if you like to donate and if you can’t just go to the bottom of the page and hit go back to petition.And hit ok- againok then hit the back bar till you are at the petition again.go to signutures at the top and click.Look to see if you got yours on there.You can remain Anonymous
We are almost there.We need to get Obama’s true birth certificate and invesagation for it and other stuff to they are working on now