Obama’s Problems in Tonight’s Debate [Update]
By SusanUnPC on August 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM in Barack Obama, Obamaisms, Qualifications
[FROM LARRY JOHNSON--Great work Susan. Did anyone record Obama's nuttiness in claiming he voted against the Iraq war? Let us know asap and we'll get it up.]
We plan to write more on this but here is the skinny, quickly, on some of the reasons John McCain easily won the “debate” tonight. (NOTE: We are still waiting for the transcript to appear at CNN. However, Memeorandum.com provides a rich, at-a-glance view of all of the news stories and blog posts about the forum hosted by Rev. Rick Warren.)
(1) Obama can’t come close to the life experiences that John McCain has had, that tested him in a way that most of us will never know.
(2) Obama flat-out lied or misspoke (you choose the verb):
Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War. McCain said it was when he declined an offer to leave a prison camp in Vietnam.
Barack Obama was not in the U.S. Senate until 2005. Those who DID have to make that “gut-wrenching decision” were John McCain, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry, and 96 other senators.
[UPDATE] (2A) “Obama: Clarence Thomas Is Just Too Dumb“:
On Thomas: “I don’t think he was a strong enough jurist, or legal thinker.”
On Scalia: … although I don’t think there’s any doubt about his intellectual brilliance.”
I wonder if Obama thinks all black people are dumb? Based upon previous Jesse Jackson comments, Jackson pretty much suggested he does when he accused Obama of talking down to blacks. [HERE IS THE VIDEO.]
(3) A very worried Taylor Marsh said Obama needs to bring a “debate drill sargeant in and do some work.” (What she wrote is below the fold.)
Taylor is correct.
However, there’s a basic problem that no one can solve for Barack Obama. NO COACH IN THE WORLD can give Barack Obama the experiences, the travel worldwide, the meetings with world leaders in countless countries, the study of a multitude of world and domestic issues, the countless meetings in an array of venues that John McCain has had.
Barack Obama is simply not ready for the job. And no coach can teach him enough, especially with the precious little time left, how to fake that experience.
Below, I’ve pasted exactly what Taylor wrote:
Obama could have had policy answers ready to help push forward why Democratic policies are grounded in humanity and morality, which proves why he’d be a much better president. Instead he offered his standard word fogs without any goal whatsoever, much like he did in the primaries where Clinton regularly cleaned his clock. McCain came with policy talking points and a goal. Our guy better get a debate drill sargeant in and do some work, because so far there’s no evidence he’s going to best McCain in them. Obama’s hour is now, minus the Clarence Thomas answers, completely forgettable. Not good. McCain even got in an answer on Georgia and Russia, which folded into freedom and energy issues. Minus the ridiculous, ad nauseam “my friend” belches, quite a performance for the
neoconMcCain. Why do you want to be president? I can’t remember Obama’s answer. McCain’s came in a sound bite: “I want to inspire a generation of Americans to serve a cause greater than their self-interest.” Obama better game up.
Obama-speak works just great in rally settings.
Obama-speak will work in a football stadium.
Obama-speak will not work in a one-on-one debate with a REAL HUMAN BEING who has the vast experience that both Hillary Clinton and John McCain have had.
There is no substitute for having done the work.
There is no substitute for having traveled to 70+ countries, as Hillary Clinton has done. (I don’t know how many countries McCain has visited, but it is probably in the higher double digits.)
There is no substitute for having met world leaders on their turf, several times.
For example, John McCain has PERSONALLY been to embattled Georgia several times.
John McCain knows the country of Georgia. He knows its people. He knows its leaders. He knows its problems. He knows its fears and its dreams.
Barack Obama cannot fake that kind of experience.
And there is not enough time to even begin to learn how to fake it.
Barack Obama is out of his league.
I do not agree with some of McCain’s positions, but he absoutely knocked it out of the ballpark. Obama spoke as though he was trying to figure out what people would want him to say. Nice words. No meat.
McCain was decisive, firm, and, yes, revealed what can only be achieved by someone with experience.
EXACTLY right! Your post sums it up quite nicely. McCain would be, by far, the better president.
Taylor Marsh’s guy… how she grovels… but the boys in the back room never seem to notice her… what a pity…
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
Headlines that you wont see on HuffingthehopiumOist.com or the Main Stream
Obama Propoganda MachineMediaBREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
As a followup i just want to say that i am so incredibly dissappointed after seeing McCains performance tonight that there will be no debates between John and Hillary, those would have been the most amazing debates ever.
I’ve had this thought many times before. Hillary and John are to vastly experienced leaders with a depth of knowledge, titans of their party, who would debate the issues of America today with intelligence, clarity, and respect. One of the many things about Obama that I detest is that he took away that moment for me, seeing real leaders debate our nation’s problems, by utilizing his (and the DNC helped as well) underhanded primary tactics to rig the system and be the nominee (or at least it inevitably seems).
Hopefully, at another time in my life I will actually get the opportunity to see two individuals who are ready to be POTUS face off over what is for the good of our country. In this election though, if not Hillary, then McCain. No question about that. No deal.
John McCain kicked B. Hussein’s skinny butt. It was unreal how lopsided this forum was.
B. Hussein is definitely NOT ready for the most powerful office in the world.
Obama does not do well at all when his cheerleaders aren’t screaming and drooling his name in the crowd. I noticed he seldom looked at the crowd.
I like that McCain showed his humor.
Brilliant Jeremiah. Must. Steal!
By all means. If Obama can get away lifting whole passages from other peoples stump speaches, and claiming dredit for other peoples legislations, who am I to deny anyone the use of material.
And remember its not stealing, you have though those before and actually helped me articulate them prior to the posting as you have said many times before…get that Obama Lingo down girl!
hehe
lmao @ those headlines
I was surprised that he did not bring up Reverend Wright when he was talking about the three most influential people in his life. He did in his book. Instead he brought up his hippie mother and the typical white grandmother.
There he goes again…conveniently white. Not very Democratic Party of him.
Amazing Chameleon Man
The Geico Guy!
Obama is dishonest, does anyone really believe what he says anymore? Wright, Phleger, and Ayers are probably the three most influential people in Obama’s life — I think we know enough about Obama to draw this conclusion.
And how much time did he and his family recently spend with that wonderful typical white grandmother?
Someone needs to research this and find out:
How much time did he spend with his aging Grandmother?
Did Michelle and the kids go see her at all; if so, for how long?
There’s got to be a way to find out.
Michelle and the kids DID NOT GO to see her. Obama spent one whole hour. He probably body surfed longer than that.
Oh really? Did you follow Michelle and the kids around the entire time they were on the island. Please provide me with Obama’s agenda for the entire week. Since you seem to know where he and his family were at all times.
Yesbama, Prehaps you could provide it for everyone Humm?
I am suprised he didn’t bring up JFK and say he’s channeling him.
With Age comes Wisdom..
Amen on that.
Obama is simply not POTUS material.
This was as “side-by-side” as we’ve seen thus far. I think many expected the Golden Tongue would leave McCain in the dust. David Gergen looked astounded at the end when he was asked to summarize his impression because he said McCain is going to prove much tougher in the debates than anyone thought. That might have been a nice way of saying that Obama blew it.
Anyone who’s really been following this campaign closely shouldn’t have been surprised by tonight. Obama is great in front of a teleprompter, but he leaves a lot to be desired as a debater, especially when he has to face unscripted questions for which he hasn’t had a chance to prepare. This is compounded by his hesitance to say what he really thinks, instead carefully parsing each syllable for its potential politcal effect. Anyone who’s ever raised a child knows what “Ummm … ummm … ah, ah … ummm” means. It means the child being questioned is trying to think himself out of trouble by saying the exact right thing that will get him off the hook.
McCain is the exact opposite. His formal speaking ability is modest, at best. But in an informal give & take setting such as tonight’s event, he excels because a) he speaks from the heart, and b) the wisdom and experience built up over his 71 years, including over 20 in the US Congress, stands him in good stead.
Obama would benefit from joining a Toastmasters club. They count the number of ahs people say when they give a speech and try to help them correct that problem.
McCain comes off as honorable whereas Obama seems disingenuous.
You forgot “Well you know..”
AHHHH! Not again…
make
Oblowme
stop with the Amateur Hour antics!
I watched a video of McCain in a setting with a group of maybe 200 people. He spoke about his experience with a guard at his prison camp in Vietnam.
McCain talked about how compassionate this one guard was towards him. You could tell his words were heartfelt. By the end of his story I had tears in my eyes. That’s something I never thought would happen to me while watching John McCain speak about anything.
I agree with those who say you can’t teach this kind of experience.
Christmas at the Hanoi Hilton
Obama did great last night. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. You see only what you want to see. Other people see what’s actually in front of them.
Obama can’t debate. We’ve already seen that little problem. That’s why he dodged and weaved the Town Hall idea too. No telepromter. No script. No answers.
McCain flattened BO’s bus with a B-52. I only feel bad for some of the folks who were stuck under it.
Quite frankly, at this point in time I don’t feel sorry for any of Obama’s enablers. They have pushed this poser and sham on us and expected we would fall in line. These folks derserve to be pushed under the bus. All of them. The only people I feel for are the good regular American citizens who will not have a chance to vote for for a great candidate – Hillary. (Although I have to admit I do still harbor thoughts of an upset at the convention.)
of course Mccain kicked Baracktrack’s ass in the debate…
why do you think Baracktrack has been avoiding those town hall meetings with Mccain?
what a coward, what an incompetent weasel Baracktrack is…
i will happily vote for Mccain to stop the corrupt Baracktrack stealing another election…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Shariah Compliant Banks
Alpha Natural ResourcesAsset Acceptance Capital Corporation
Aviva Plc
AXA
Barclays PLC
BNP Paribas Group
Citibank, N.A.
Credit Agricole, S.A.
Deutsche Bank AG
Dow Jones & Company Inc.
Equity Insurance Group Limited
Goldman Sachs Group
HBOS plc
HSBC Holdings plc
INVESCO Perpetual
Julius Baer Group
Maersk Logistics
Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
Morgan Stanley
NYSE Euronext
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Singapore Power
National Security and Financial Risks: Islamists are attempting to impose Shariah Compliant Finance (SCF) on Western institutions to use our own financial strengths against us. The most serious problem with SCF is that it legitimates and institutionalizes Shariah law (i.e., Islamic law), a theo-political- legal doctrine violently opposed to Western values. With $1 -$2 trillion petrodollars annually looking for an investment home, blind exuberance is driving financial institutions to adopt SCF, without even a minimal baseline for legal compliance. This willful blindness, and lack of both transparency and due diligence may cause SCF to be the next sub-prime crisis, but this time with deadly consequences.
Legal Risks: Western financial institutions which adopt SCF may have criminal and civil exposure to claims of aiding and abetting sedition and the material support of terrorism, securities fraud, consumer fraud, racketeering, and antitrust violations, as well as exposure to tort claims for sedition and terrorism, and for the violation of internationally recognized norms of the law of nations.
Terror Financing Mechanism: SCF as monitored by paid Shariah law advisors to U.S. banking institutions must “purify” certain return on investment (ROI) dollars that do not meet Shariah law standards. This money must be donated to Islamic charities – including some that promote Jihad and support suicide bombing. Investment disclosures state that these profits can be as high as 6% of profits of investments. With $800 billion already in SCF assets, the potential for billions of dollars to be siphoned off for terrorism is real. This would be a serious criminal violation of U.S. law.
Consider this example: Shariah Mutual Funds promote themselves as “ethical funds.” To be Shariah-compliant, they donate “tainted” revenues to Shariah-compliant “charities.” A post 9-11 U.S. investor in a Shariah-compliant “ethical investment” is not told that Shariah law also requires imposing Shariah as U.S. law, execution of gays and female apartheid. Is he a victim of consumer fraud? Is this same post 9-11 investor unwittingly funding terror? The government has shut down the three largest Shariah-compliant charities in the U.S. – the Holy Land Foundation, Benevolence International Foundation, and the Global Relief Foundation – after proving they funded terrorist organizations. The American taxpayer deserves answers to these questions. The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is meeting directly with members of Congress, U.S. regulatory agencies and Wall Street financial institutions in order to ensure the enforcement of existing U.S. laws on sedition, disclosure, material support of terrorism, and money-laundering. CSP is committed to revealing the civil liability and criminal exposure of Shariah law and Shariah-compliant finance.
WHAT IS SHARIAH LAW?
Understanding Shariah law is integral to understanding the dangers of Shariah-compliant finance. Shariah law is Islamic law dating back to the 7th century and is today the law of the land in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan and the law under which the Taliban operates. Recent polls reveal that only 10-15% of Muslims worldwide want to live under this all-encompassing system of Islamic jurisprudence that covers all aspects of a Muslim’s life including religious, social, political, and military obligations. However, with a current population of 1.5 billion Muslims, this translates to a huge pool of Jihadist recruits and supporters – a base of approximately 150 – 225 million Muslims. Shariah law authorities, some of whom are now being paid handsomely by Barclays, Dow Jones, Standard & Poors, HSBC, Citibank, Merrill Lynch, Deutschebank, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, UBS, Credit Suisse and others have the power to dictate Shariah compliance as deemed by “scholarly consensus” on matters of finance, family, penal law, apostasy, and war. Examples of authoritarian Shariah law include: requirement of women to obtain permission from husbands for daily freedoms; beating of disobedient woman and girls; execution of homosexuals; engagement of polygamy and forced child marriages; the testimony of four male witnesses to prove rape; honor killings of those, principally women, who have dishonored the family; death to apostate Muslims who chose to leave Islam; inferior status of non-Muslims, and capital punishment for those “slander Islam.”
The website that was watching Sharia finance around the world has been shut down.. Luckily I still had the list.. If you do not agree with Sharia making it’s way into your life I suggest not doing business with these banks and telling the banks why you’re not doing business with them.
this is just one aspect of the dangers posed by a (potential) president who is WAY TOO CLOSE to islamic culture. it really doesn’t mater whether he is a christian or a muslim deep down in his heart; there is simply no denying that he has a closeness to and affection for islam that is the result of having had two muslim fathers and many muslim relatives, lived in a muslim country for several of his most formative years, associated with many muslims (some radicals) here in america, etc.
now, the O apologists will say “what’s wrong with islam?” and “you can’t criticise islam or you’re a bigot;” well, that’s a load of crap. religion is an ideology like any other ideology, and its tenets and practices are subject to the same scrutiny and criticism as any other ideology, and the fact is that islam, as it is practiced by the vast majority of muslims, is about as far away as possible from american ideals of democracy, human rights, including women’s rights (i know, it’s redundant, but just for the sake of clarity), separation of church and state, freedom of speech, religion, expression, etc. no way in heck do i want to see america move one inch closer to islam and the typical systems of government/culture practiced in muslim countries. if you listen to obama fanatics, it’s clear that they are islamophiles, and at least border-line america haters on top of that.
Tish, good column..informative.
Obama donated quite a few thousand dollars to his islamist Sharia Law cousin Odinga whose gangs burned churches and raped villagers in December. The then president of Kenya had launched a formal complaint to the US. government that “the young freshman Senator doesn’t have the experience to meddle in international affairs to support a Luo tribe cousin”.
Wouldn’t the internally displaced (as result of Odinga’s coup) 150,000 Kenyan women be upset to know that the man who signed away for their enslaved Sharia status would be the cousin of the U.S. president?
What Odinga wants is to have Kneya revamped into a save haven for terrorists, against U.S. policy and is changing the constitution! Obama knew htis when he supported his cousin!
And it wasn’t even a debate. He got to sit there alone. No rebuttal. Of course, he had no one’s answer first so that he could copy like he did with Hillary.
You are defending John McCain in tonights debate? I get that you don’t like Obama. I get that you have been trying to oust him from the Democratic ticket, but are you people honestly defending John McCain tonight? His answers were all the complete opposite of anything Hillary Clinton would have ever said.
Thank you for a legitimate question.
No, we are not supporting John McCain. We have made that statement in numerous posts here — just not every single one because it gets a bit repetitious. Nor do we plan, at this time, to support John McCain.
How we wish that the Democratic party — there’s still time — would somehow come to its senses and realize that this young man simply needs more experience before he can become president.
He could have eight years additional experience as Vice President — especially if he made the most of it, and worked his heart out, and traveled, and learned, and talked to people (and listened to them).
That is some of the seasoning he needs before he can come close to matching Hillary Clinton’s knowledge and experience.
It. Is. Not. Too. Late.
I respect your decision to support (or refuse to support) whoever you like, but I don’t McCain is not a suitable alternative. Obviously, I deeply dislike McCain, and I’m sure many of you don’t like his positions either. I would like to know, why are all your efforts going into discrediting Obama? It’s not that you aren’t allowed to, I’m just wondering why I haven’t seen any attempts to organize, at least for this year, behind a previously established third party.
DO NOT WANT-DO NOT TRUST FRAUBAMA.
I understand that. Please be reasonable, I’m working on the assumption that you’ll never vote for Obama in a million years. I was respectfully asking why there is no rallying behind a third party.
I believe the plan is to push for Hillary as long as possible, then decide. I don’t think the site is so much pro-McCain but rather ‘look how out of his league Obama is in a presidential election’. Also I think, legitimately, folks would rather vote for a guy that votes across party lines and is a clear patriot versus a guy that is an empty suit that says whatever he thinks his audience wants to hear.
Because to vote third party is ineffective. They have little chance of winning. Plus, iIn some states, they probably won’t even be on the ballot.
That doesn’t matter. Hillary has little chance of becoming the nominee of the Democratic party, but that hasn’t stopped any of you, has it?
is this third party push the latest tactic of the soeBOBOcamp to try to dilute the opposition vote? or are you just in the bargaining stage of grief since your boy can barely squeak and margin a error lead in the polls?
Yup.
………bargaining stage of grief …….
BINGO!! That’s IT!!
Good eye!
No,I just wanted to discuss tonight’s faith-based forum.
was there a third party candidate there?
“was there a third party candidate there?”
Lol – funny! god I love a good, sarcastic sense of humor!
as for the old “hillary support = obama support” due to “their positions being alike,” i would question which positions were being refrenced. faith-based initiative groups? FISA? how about those harry and louise ads that obama and mccain enjoy?
mccain isn’t my first choice, which is why i’m a democrat and not a republican. but obama simply ISN’T a choice – ie, he’s the worst possible President that I could imagine. so, I WILL vote for mccain, because while I don’t agree with all of his policies, he does embody the qualities I respect 1) working across party lines, 2) knows his $h*t about the military and foreign affairs (he really, really does) 3) strikes me as impressive, and 4) i really just like the guy, even if I don’t share all of his opinions.
so, no deal to barrak “blunder of a nominee” obama. it’s hillary or mccain in ‘08. no question ’bout it, there’s no deal coming from over here.
This is the usual barky-following clap trap that is trying to convince people to either write HRC in on their ballot (in a lot of states this would be a throw-away vote) or vote for a third party in order for their vote to not count “against” their messiah. It’s in chapter three of the Alynski-inspired “Camp Obama” material. didn’t you get the memo?
a margin of error lead..
But Hillary does have a chance of becoming nominee.
The goal is to defeat Obama and it is too late to get any type of third party off the ground to do that. Obama is crap warmed over, just some people’s fantasy for a feel good moment. Beyond the feel good moment then what? Obama people are not even thinking that far ahead.
I can tell you why I won’t. This election is too important to vote for a third-party candidate. To do so will surely put Obama in office and that would be a tragedy for the US. A third party candidate will only take votes away from, and cannot possibly win the election. I would like to see a moderate party formed that would be suitable to both moderate democrats and republicans, but it won’t work this year.
Nice try Adam; you know that a vote for a Third Party is a vote for B. Hussein.
I WILL vote for McCain. Obama is an arrogant, empty suit, little punk, who has NEVER accomplished anything big in his life except derailing Hillary Clinton’s train to the White House.
A Community Organizer and ACORN worker is not qualified for President of the United States.
Why vote McCain instead of third party? If McCain wins, Obama takes Dean and the whole corrupt leadership down with him. PUMAs take charge of the DNC and it WILL be Hillary in 2012.. In the meantime, McCain will defend the country but drive the Rush Limbaugh wing of his party crazy for four years and split the Republicans. A vote for McCain is a vote for Hillary in 2012.
Adam,
If Obama was not so terribly unqualified and IF WE COULD TRUST THE American Idol loving Voters to pay enough attention ,
First if that was true Obama would not be our nominee.
Second- There is no way in hell after GWB we can afford an Inexperianced person running this Country.
That’s just two and putting it mildly. I could go on for hours seriously.
It’s a protest vote. I want my Democratic party back, and that is the only way I can convey my message.
AdamB from kos, is that you? Shouldn’t you be working on Obama’s fraudulent FEC filings now?
No, people have done this to me here before. I am not affiliated with Daily Kos. And I don’t really even know who the “Adam B” you’re talking about is.
Adam , Here is one personsal view as to what I believe you are asking about.
There is nothing “normal” this year and there are reasons why, speaking only for myself, I would never vote for BO.
My sane half asks me..BO’s positions are “closer” to your position than McCain. Those positions are from the democratic Party’s traditional “values”. Not anything BO truly believes and has demonstrated.
The problem is that BO has been, in Mr. Johnson’s words, full of “flip-floppery”. So I don’t trust him one bit.
Not because he changed his position on some issue. It is that he changed based on pandering, not because the issue had matured or the parameters had changed.
Underneath this particular dilemma is the fact that BO is indifferent and immoral.
Indifferent because he intentionally profited off the backs of the people in his district. Why do you think BO had his district redrawn to include the higher income brackets? why do you think he lied about “not knowing” the conditions of the 11 tenements in his district?
Immoral because because of his arrogance, lies, intentional lack of transparency and race baiting, Mysogeny..the list is long.
So while he gives “Democratic” positions mere lip service, I cannot vote for BO based on the “content of his character” and the company he keeps. His positions don’t mean squat because his credibility to me is a big fat Zero. His judgement is worse than poor because he lacks the ability to apply common sense, suffers from the chronic long term effects of drug use, lack of transparence, yells when he is losing a point he want to make.
Finally I don’t have to take Michelle’s word for it. He is pathetic as a politictian.
my two cents worth, (and I have a piggybank full of pennies when it comes to BO)
Well, at least he is speaking respectfully with us. And I deeply appreciate that.
We do not run off supporters of Barack Obama. We have probably run off more McCain and PUMA supporters than any Obama supporters — because of their use of certain language that we don’t permit.
We are PRO-CONVERSATION. We are PRO-DEBATE. We just wish it to be conducted respectfully. So far, Adam is conducting himself very well. And I appreciate that.
Look, troll, if you really want an answer to your question, here’s some advice for you that will enable you to “get it.”
Put away your fucking keyboard, stop typing bullshit “questions” like an ingenue on her first date, go to your mouse, and start clicking on ALL THE ARTICLES here at NQ.
Read them. YES–READ THEM. Read every word, read every comment, and read every damned one of them–not just the ones at the top of this page.
Try the RECEIVE mode instead of the TRANSMIT mode for a change. Maybe you’ll learn something.
Sure, I disagree with many of you, but I am not being rude, and it doesn’t hurt anybody to discuss this type of thing. If you don’t like it, let me talk to people that enjoy a relatively civil discussion of politics.
As I have said elsewhere, you have ZERO understanding of how government works.
Get that basic foundation FIRST before you start making up bullshit about what will happen if the Messiah is not anointed.
Your posts are bullshit because you’re making shit UP. That’s not being “mean” to you–it’s the truth.
Here’s your research list. Go do your HOMEWORK:
ADVISE AND CONSENT.
SEPARATION OF POWERS.
How to AMEND the Constitution.
How laws are passed (include veto/override).
How our government is FUNDED, and how funds are disbursed.
You don’t know shit about your own government, you can’t TALK politics. It’s like a blind man trying to describe a sunset. You have NO CLUE.
You’re a dilletante…or a cultist. Or a troll.
You’re scared, that’s for sure–it’s why you are here.
Go back to school, kid.
Take a break from singing kumbaya and try to determine any reason to support Obama. Everything about Obama is wrong. Obama does not even understand the issues and just vacillates and panders trying to find his way and trying to get votes — other than sitting in Wright’s racist anti-American church for 20 years and seeking out Marxist professors for advice, Obama does not seem to have any core beliefs.
I would prefer to go down to the city sanitatioin department and randomly pick out a garbage man to vote for before I would vote for Obama — at least the garbage man would probably be honest.
We don’t need to try to discredit Obama. Every time he opens his mouth without a teleprompter in front of him he discredits himself.
Fine, it is an effortless task. That wasn’t the point of this at all.
It is definitely Hillary or McCain for me. And I make no apologies for it.
Nobody has to discredit obama,
He does that all by himself.
If he is breathing, he’s lying.
I can never forgive the democratic party for inflicting this racist anti-american know nothing on America.
At this time in history we need competence not some person that lies and would not help this country in any way , shape , or form.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Historically third parties offer little chance of getting candidates elected. I do not want my vote to be ‘wasted.’ All I know for sure is that I cannot support Obama. So that is why I am looking at and seriously considering McCain at this time.
Because Adam
that would be throwing away my vote.
I trust McCain infinitely more to have my country’s best interests at heart
as I see them.
I don’t trust Oblowme
and his vote for the Bush-Cheney Energy plan will forever mark him as a corporate hack in my mind.
A third party should be formed now,
but would be a waste of a vote in this election.
Yes. It. Is.
I want a statesman in the Whitehouse–not a showboater, not a fraud, not an intern. I want wisdom and experience.
He is Obama’s opponent. He did well, Obama did not. Enough said.
That is not enough. McCain is against the things that Democrats are against. You should be treating McCain the same way you would if he were running against Hillary, because he would have been holding the same positions either way.
Adam, we love our country first, party second.
Honestly, have you ever thought of that. That is what you call PATRIOTISM.
Our country is in difficult times. We need a leader not a rock star. We need somebody with an experience to LEAD us through difficult times not somebody who will entertain us.
Think about it.
You’re ignoring what I have to say. If you at any point believed that Hillary was best for our country, McCain isn’t a good second choice. Third Party. There are you happy that I said it a third time? I think now is the perfect year for people to attempt to end the “two-party” system.
That just hands the election over to Barky. Remember Bush and Nader in 2000? Too risky. Right now I feel we’ve got a choice between Jerry Lewis (ala The Nutty Professor)and Teddy Roosevelt…hmmmm…thanks, I’ll go with Teddy. But we could have had a Hill’08.
Obama sucks so bad that McCain is an attractive alternative this year, despite being a GOPer. If it was any other GOPer I may be sitting this one out. Nobody to blame there except the Dailykooks/Dean types who made it their primary mission to derail the Clintons, portrait them as racits, and steal the election.
I agree but let’s wait till after the convention.
What you “have to say” is that we should FEAR McCain, because somehow he magically, AMAZINGLY, will be able to do all sorts of nefarious stuff with a DEMOCRATIC Congress that George Bush couldn’t manage with a GOP Congress.
You wrongly ascribe KINGLY powers to the Presidency–tagging yourself either as uneducated, stupid, or a troll.
Learn how your government works.
Stop talking NONSENSE. You’re tiresome, like the rest of the unschooled, open-mouthed cultists.
George W. Bush is already achieving things with the Democratic Congress that he couldn’t with the Republican Congress. Why would McCain see less capitulation than Bush does now? Congress has already demonstrated its inability or lack of will to oppose the will of the President.
McCain stands for a platform that is the exact opposite of what every Democrat should want, and moreover, he’s not particularly bright – self-admittedly having little to no knowledge of computers, and economics, reglarly demonstrating little idea of geography or basic geopolitical history (Czechslovakia? Lifting his Georgia facts straight off of Wikipedia without attribution? Iraq-Pakistan border? Iran training Al-Qaeda? Doesn’t know the difference between a Sunni and a Shi’ite? The Surge being responsible for events that happened before it was even planned?), and his knee-jerk anti-Russian response to the war in Georgia (the Georgians launched a devastating first-strike invasion less than 24 hours after “officially” recognizing S. Ossetia’s sovereignty) all speak to an unprepared, uninformed man who doesn’t even put the least amount of effort in when the time calls for it.
I wouldn’t want a President who doesn’t know how to use a computer, has no idea about the economy, plagarizes Wikipedia when he needs to make a speech about a foreign country, and doesn’t even know the basic political factions or history of the Middle East or Eastern Europe, and on top of all that, supports a political platform diametrically opposed to my own.
No matter what you think about Obama, there is absolutely no way he would be a worse President than McCain. I would even think that McCain has the potential to be worse than President Bush, because he has the “maverick” label, which lets him get away with agreeing with Bush 100% of the time.
You better go back to the drawing board, jackass, since your criteria for president consists of inexperience unless you count 20 years of sitting in Wright’s racist, anti-American, black liberation theology church. Pathetic Obama puke.
Now, that’s a solid reason for not voting for McCain. He doesn’t know how to use a computer.
But let’s vote for the “one” who thinks there’s 57 states…
What time does school start tomorrow?
If you at any point believed that Hillary was best for our country, McCain isn’t a good second choice.
while I won’t be voting for McCain (probably vote for McKinney), your claim here is pure nonsesne. I started out as Anyone But Clinton, but when it came down to a choice between Hillary and Obama, there was no comparison. The nation is a mess, and Clinton was the only one with the knowledge and experience to navigate us through dangerous waters.
The same holds true for McCain — while I may not like the direction in which he points the ship of state, McCain’s knowledged and experience will prevent us from crashing the boat, and sinking. Obama doesn’t know the waters, doesn’t know how to read a navigational chart, and doesn’t have the political and emotional maturity to be a “captain”.
In other words, it makes perfect sense for Clinton supporters who chose her because of her leadership potential to support McCain.
Just because the captain can steer the ship doesn’t mean he’s going to steer it where you like. Picking someone on their ability to lead without thinking about where they intend to lead you isn’t the best way.
You might not believe that Obama can lead the country in pursuit of a progressive agenda, but you can be damn sure McCain can lead the country to ruin.
Obama would sink the ship and that would be fine with me so long as it was just you cultists on the way to Guyana with Obama — the problem is the rest of us are forced onto Obama’s sinking ship and I don’t want to be a passenger.
What progressive agenda?
The one that includes faith-based initiatives, FISA, non-universal health care, Cheney’s energy plan and no provisions for woman’s health in abolition of late term abortions? Count me out.
Obama is not benign stupidity. Obama = reparations.
Adam, Someone always has to
head up an organization. Prehaps you could get started on organizing that third party before 2012. It is to LATE to organize a viable third party NOW.
Adam, there is still time for the Democratic party to come to its senses.
That is all we are hoping for.
We definitely plan — if Obama and McCain face off after the conventions — to criticize both. Neither will get a free pass.
But, at present, we are laser-focused on that (admittedly last gasp) chance that the Democratic party will make the intelligent decision.
This thread has been going a little too fast for me, and I forgot to thank you for being honest and friendly. It was very nice of you considering that you could have just ignored me completely.
Voting Democrat this year would be “condoning and accepting” the “undemocratic and illegal actions” of the DNC through the primaries. I can not do that. I will not “reward” the DNC or Obama with my vote. I plan on taking my party back and purging it of the stench called Dean/Pelosi/Brazil/Obama!!!
It is one thing to hold the right kind of position and it is another to be able to implement it.
The first step is to have a vision what you want to achieve, the second is to draft a path toward it. Than you can start to walk that path.
Judging by this debate I am not sure that Obama has made the first step.
I don’t speak for others, but for me it is better to have a leader who will include objectable goals among the good ones than a leader who didn’t figure it out yet, where he wants to lead us.
Adam, Obama is reaping what he has sown. In most elections, politicians court voters. In this election, Obama has gone out of his way to insult them.
At first, I couldn’t understand it. I’d never seen any politician behave that way before. Then, I encountered an article somewhere, sometime, that explained it, or at least offered an interpretation of OBie’s behavior. The writer said Obama’s dissing of various electorates, lunch bucket types, women, whatever, diminished Hillery’s success, i.e., she’s not winning the important voters, she’s wining THEM.
Well, maybe on the south side of Chicago, people earn respect by dissing others. But in the wider world you’re much more likely to end up with–please pardon my French–pissed off voters. I’m certainly one.
I’m a typical white grandmother who was shocked to learn I’m a bigot. (BTW, I can’t think of any more likely prospects for bigots in the world than elderly, politically active, white, female Democrats. Yeah, right. We’re usually the one’s protesting injustice not pushing it.)
Plus, I live in rural America and cling to my religion. (I guess that’s only okay if you practice Black Liberation Theology). I don’t own a gun, but my father hunted and taught me to shoot at an early age. I felt Obie trashed my entire family with that quote.
So, I guess what I’m saying is if this was some kind of fancy-dan, newfangled political strategy by Obama, it was about as effective as his debating skills, which are nil!
Look around you. People are disgusted with this man, not because of his color but because of his conduct.
Give or take, what a hundred thousand (about 0.27% of the voters in the Democratic Primaries), pretty much the exact same number of voters voted for Sen. Obama as voted for Sen. Clinton.
I don’t think this paints a portrait of a man who actively went out of his way to alienate voters. Certainly he’s said some things that are alienating, and certainly some voters didn’t vote for him because of that (God and guns, for example).
But the fact remains that he marshalled at least as much support as Sen. Clinton as is currently running a campaign that is not only consistently outpolling McCain’s (a steady 4 to 5 point national lead with a 300 +/- 20 EV count), but it outraising McCain’s 2:1. This speaks of a broad and deep support that I don’t think you give Sen. Obama credit for.
I can fully see how you might not be thrilled with him, but he’s not a naive waif, a fool, or anti-social.
And to achieve that number, he outspent Hillary by 2, 3 even 4 times the amount she spent. And she still won states, even with a complicit media trashing her and saying the race was over. That the party elders did not take note of that, or the fact that she won the rural votes we Dems need in a presidential election (we ALWAYS win the cities) as well as the all important swing states, leaves us no choice but to take the party down this year. We need new leadership, not a third party.
Who the hell are you to try and tell anyone how they should treat McCain? What is it with you Obamapukes that expect everyone to fall in line with that worthless empty suit? It is you that should get educated along with the rest of the pukes. Nobody worships McCain or drools over him but you pukes drool over Obama even though McCain is a far better man than Obama.
I respect John McCain but I have no respect for Obama. You want the president to be an affirmative action job and many people are offended by this.
I’m not telling you what to do. It started out with a simple question and then escalated into a branching conversation, that most of you have been able to remain civil in, that I’m starting to have trouble keeping up with. I said multiple times, if you were actually paying attention what I’d been saying, that you are allowed to do whatever you want. I’m making a case against McCain, and asking about the possibilities of rallying behind a third party. I’m sorry if I offended you, but you could ignore this if it bothered you too much.
It’s a choice of two. Third parties just dilute the opposition to soeBOBO. Were it Hillary instead of soeBOBO it would be very easy to vote for the democratic candidate.
Adam
I agree with you that we need a third party. But to try to do that before Nov election is a bit unrealistic. You go ahead and vote for BO and don’t worry about who others vote for.
A lot of people are thinking that if BO is elected POTUS, that will be the end of the Democratic party. A third party will probably be born.
Perhaps Caususes will also be ended. They are not democratic. See other notes here about the website “Causus Fraud”.
Senator Clinton is the REAL DEAL. BO is not. McCain has experiences that would not wish on anyone…but he has survived and learned.
What does BO have? No experience.
Adam, that is stupid. McCain is not running against Hillary. I can only evaluate McCain based on who he is actually running against. Hupotheticals don’t work in real life. And Obama falls so far short on so many issues and on his expereince and qualifications, and character – or lack of it.
Quite honestly I can’t tell what Obama is for.
And he is a globalist , as my Senator I do know that. He loves Free trade. I do know that.
Frankly the Dems in charge don’t stand for anything the Dem Party used to stand for.
Are you so new to Politics you don’t see that?
And I can not waste my vote on a third party this time.
“Country First” comes to mind, but you wouldn`t understand.
McCain won’t be any better for this country than Obama would be. You can criticize Obama until the cows come home, and I won’t stop you. What I heard McCain say tonight terrified me, and my country was the root of my worries. I do not want this man to become our next president.
It is too late to realize that. Hillary is more or less out of the picture. (For now)
Well now you know how we feel about Backtrack.
I listened carefully, and for the life of me I can’t figure out what McCain said that could have terrified you.
I don’t like how quick McCain seems to be act aggressively towards other nations. I don’t like his stance on abortion. And his position on same-sex marriage is basically the same as Obama’s, but he said that he would support a constitutional ban if he needed to. You might not agree with me on these things, but that is what encouraged me to raise my concerns.
I share your concerns about McCain. The problem is, however, there would be no difference with Obama on either issue – I truly believe, if elected, Obama would make disastrous choices that would lead us to be even worse off as far as national security/international relations and abortion rights.
McCain, I believe, would rise to the occasion of the office, and work with the Democratic congress to better represent the views of most Americans. Whereas the Democratic congress would roll over and do Obama’s every bidding (much the same way the Republican congress did for Bush) to the detriment of the country. And Obama is vastly unqualified for the job and from what I’ve seen stands for nothing but himself.
You probably are not even old enough to vote and got caught up in the whole messiah thing. If you want to be terrified you should be terrified of yourself and how easily you can be hoodwinked. The closest thing to Jim Jones I have seen is Obama.
I am certainly old enough to vote and I definitely don’t think that Obama would be the best president ever, or anywhere near that, I just think that McCain could be “George Bush” bad.
Also, if you allow me to make a joke, the candidate closest to Jim Jones is Ron Paul. If “Paulville” doesn’t scream “Jonestown,” I don’t know what does.
Adam, I am not here to advocate for John McCain and know well enough he doesn’t represent my social values or the kind of foreign policy I favor. This is my argument with you; My vote belongs to me. It is my only source of protest or power. If I do not vote or vote for a third party with no chance of winning, I am handing my only source of protest and power to the very people I am protesting.
I am aware McCain could make decisions as president I will not agree with and I know what ever else Mr. Obama is, he is not predictable or trustworthy. Any effective politician has to be able to compromise, but some compromises are unacceptable. McCain will support the FISA Protect America Act because it is what he has always done, but I do not believe he will abuse it to the extent the Bush Administration has done. Obama has voted for the FISA Act out of political expediency. FISA is just one example, but it points to one man voting his conscience, even though I don’t agree with him and another man without conscience. I’ll give you another example to illustrate my meaning. It is the forum itself and I am risking the ire of some of my friends here at noquarter to explain. Religion has no place in politics. I didn’t watch because I find the idea repulsive and I know why it was done. Pastor Warren represents a group of evangelicals Barack Obama had a conference call with last week before the platform of the convention was set. He was attempting to mitigate the effect of a pro choice statement in order to win the votes in my state. I have said this before, but I am going to repeat. He has to carry Colorado in the GE. It is part of his new map. He and his campaign believe if they cannot win here, they will not win. Colorado is a purple state which voted twice for Bush. Overall the state is conservative. Colorado Springs is the home of Focus on the Family and James Dobson. Dobson has been critical of McCain and Obama sees an opening here. It is also home to New Life Church, one of the largest evangelical churches in the country. He is delusional of course. He has sold out separation of Church and State in many ways just to win an election. The Democratic Party intends to hold an Interfaith Conference as part of the convention. That disgusts me and it has never been done before. Obama knows a pro life candidate would never be nominated in the Party so he is groveling for the same vote Bush and Rove used so effectively in their anti gay marriage/pro life wedge issues. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to hear him say creationism should be taught in public schools. I have no problem with any one’s religion as long as they respect me and my choice. My problem is with a candidate who has so weak a foundation, he is willing to change his mind at the drop of a hat and the political party whose corruption has put me in a position I no longer trust them or their choice. I do not believe Obama is the choice of the majority of Democrats in this country and I believe he will lose the GE. Hope I didn’t offend anyone here. I will vote McCain here because I believe every vote will count, but in the end, I do not think he will win Colorado.
I’m way late to this conversation, but this is the most well spoken comment I have read in a very long time.
I will second this statement
Adam
Don’t vote for McCain if having a bi-partisan war hero who has consistently shown his ability to work across the aisle for the good of the country as POTUS causes you problems.
You’re missing the point, MCCAIN HAD ANSWERS! Barky had umms and uhhhs. Wow. I just don’t understand you people. Vote for a total imbecile or a competent professional you disagree with THEN vote for Hillary in 2012. OR the SDs could go with Hillary now and take it all.
McCain had answers because those have been the answers for Republicans for years. If you mention abortion a Republican usually says “Life starts at conception”. If you mention gay marriage a Republican you’ll typically get “Marriage is between one man and one woman”. The Republican answers to these questions have been read from a script for decades.
OK, Barky should have answered like a typical Democrat then. What’s the moron’s excuse? Forgot to do his homework?
I know you don’t like anybody to defend him, but if he would have given one-sentence answers without explanations, he would have been booed. It would have not been what that crowd wanted to hear. McCain would not have done so well against a more diverse audience. The kind of audience that you should be. If you believe in a woman’s right to choose, or that all men and, regardless of sexual orientation, should be entitled to the same freedoms that anybody else enjoys, there should be no rallying around what John McCain believes to be right.
It should be “all men and women” Sorry, I do not like to make mistakes like that.
Adam,
As many here have been dedicated Democrats for years and are now finding themselves in the position to vote Republican, their angst is no less than yours. You must allow the party itself (Dem elite) to take responsibilty for this. They are offering no real alternative to McCain. You may not like all of hMcCains policies, but he has earned trust and respect. The possibility that he will do what is right for America is far greater than the likelihood that Obama won’t do what is wrong for America.
He hasn’t earned any trust with me. My feelings about McCain are just as deep and just as honest as your problems with Obama. He will not do what is right for America, he is only interested in furthering his party’s agenda.
Adam, so your pick is??????
Out of McCain and Obama? Obama. Adding third parties to the mix? I’m not sure, I haven’t really seen anybody attempt to give any significant push for any suitable third party candidates.
Oh god. You’re new to politics aren’t you? John Kerry actually thought about having Mccain as his VP back in 2004.
I knew that, but he didn’t take the job, did he?
Well, if he was good enough to be VP back then, what’s changed? Barky on the otherhand needs to go back to his old job as a community organizer, I’m sure the famlies of all those dead poor and elderly folk in his district could still use a little more organization.
It’s like with Joe Lieberman. He’s being “considered” for VP, but he’s not going to take the job, because much of his stances are directly in conflict with McCain’s platform. They’re going to toy with the idea, but it won’t go anywhere.
Don’t be silly. Lieberman will be the “one Democrat” in the McCain cabinet, as is customary in recent administrations, to have one from the other team to show bipartisanship.
Lieberman will be Secretary of Defense. Not VP. He won’t be running for Senate again, because he knows he’d get smoked this time. SECDEF will be a nice way, he believes, to finish out his public service life. He was hoping to get the job when Rummy got canned, but no joy.
He has the ability to be a VERY EFFECTIVE surrogate for McCain to the Jewish community. He could tip FL, and depending on how events progress, even put New York into play.
If you believe that, then you haven’t properly vetted Obama. I’m beginning to believe that you just drank the Koolaid.
Adam How many times do you need to be encouraged to NOT vote for McCain..
So what you’re saying is Barky was afraid to answer truthfully because he was afraid of being booed? Are you friggin’ serious? OMG and this is the punk ass coward you want to go up against Putin and deal with an emerging China? Oooh, do yourself a favour, quit while Barky is tied. With minions like you, he won’t make it to November. This is not a popularity contest or American Idol.
I didn’t say that. I’m saying that Obama had to clarify his positions, whereas McCain did not. Just because I said that Obama would have been booed, doesn’t mean that he was actively avoiding it. And why should I have to keep defending Obama? All I’m trying to do is make the case against McCain.
Then I suggest you go to Redstate.
Why, because you want to avoid a healthy discussion about your priorities?
McCain was quite clear about his positions! His answers were from his, they weren’t parsed as Obama’s are when questioned one on one.
I believe babies’ lives begin at conception too. This was brought home more clearly to me when a 14 year old pregnant girl was killed in my home state and left in a field dead. The three men who killed her (one being the babies father) were only charged with her murder. We fought for a bill to ensure the baby’s life was recognized in death as well. It did not pass which disappointed me. This is not the first time I have been disappointed by a belief that a baby is not viable at conception. My belief has nothing to do with being a Republican or Democrat it is from my heart!
I do disagree on some of McCain’s issues but I do agree with some. And his years have made him wise.
I see none of this gravitas in Obama and I am two years older then him. I did travel the world when I was in the Navy and consider myself to be much more experienced then Obama.
We simply can’t afford another four years of “toddler” like Obama who would talk to heads of states that are evil and want to wreak havoc on the US and some of our allies! without preconditions. There must be preconditions. This nubile man also believes he can just get rid of nuclear weapons by telling Russia they must do this! Obama is a national security disaster in the making. He is a danger to the very lives of United States citizens. I might add talking to his wife and his grandmother about national security in the US scares the hell out of me!
I trust McCain with his finger on the button because he understands the gravity of such a move! He will be less likely to hit the button unless it becomes an absolute necessity. He understands National Security. He understands the more money we spend on oil outside this country the more our national security is threatened….oil is a bargaining chip for countries that don’t really like us…..it is on the otherhand a way to blackmail this country, to make it kowtow to the will of the oil rich countries!
So on November 4th despite my differences with McCain, I know I can vote for him because he puts the country first, as I do!
Healthy discussion? With someone who doesn’t understand what powers a President has or how the Judicial branch works? Or what Congress’s role is in LAWMAKING and disbursement?
How can anyone have a “healthy discussion” with someone who thinks that Presidents have “magic wands” and can wave them and issue commands?
The time for healthy discussions is too late. We tried to do that all during the primary on places like dkos, mydd etc., and were bullied off the blogs.
So Adam you are way late for that.
Own your own candidate and stop inserting the O BS here.
We’ve stopped listening to the fraud and the phoney progressive democrats who have shit on democracy with fraud and thugs.
Because we aren’t voting FOR McCain you dolt. We are voting against Barky. And God forbid the twonk with no papertrail or clear voting record or slim resume might actually have to clarify his positions (’go to my website’ won’t cut in it a debate). I’ve watched Mccain for years. I don’t always agree with him but I respect him.
A vote in the voting booth for McCain is a vote for McCain. There is going to be a chance to vote for somebody other than both of them. And could you please remain civil, I’ve been trying to avoid being antagonistic.
No, you’re being obtuse. And it’s annoying.
And like I said a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.
It’s still different, especially in a year when there are so many that don’t like the two choices we have now.
Sorry, it’s been discussed in hundreds of diaries here already, if you live in a solid redstate you have a choice, vote Mccain or third party but if you’re like me,in a blue state, I may be forced to vote Mccain because a third party vote here will benefit barky. I’m still praying for a miracle that the SDs will pull their collective heads out of their asses and vote Hillary.
That’s fine and all, but as long as everybody is afraid to go all the way for the things they believe, there will never be a viable third party.
that is the same asinine argument as they used to float Obama and before that Nader. You glassy-eyed, woolly-minded, full-of-yourself idealists are a danger to yourselves and others.
Not in my state there isn’t. Sorry your arguement doesn’t work in a lot of states!
adam,
enough is enough.
you are simply not hearing what the very patient elders here are trying to impart to you. i hear in your whining victim voice a stubborn refusal to truly understand the situation.
please folks, stop humoring him. he’s just playing for attention, and is not unlike a pesky mosquito.
mr obama is not worthy of the position he has been wrongly cast in by his handlers. the manchurian candidtate has backfired, and Sen McCain will definitely be the next POTUS if Hillary and the Superdels do not pull our all the stops at the convention.
there is no third party. only one with two names. i’m voting for McCain because, at the moment, he is the ONLY viable candidate. and i trust him. he is who he says he is. he does what he says he will. he is bi partisan. he should pick Hillary for VP and rock the known world.
let freedom ring!
Exactly our point.
Obama speaks to please his audience. As you heard and probably well know, McCain has quite a list of acts when he stood up for what he believed in, even if it was against his own interest. This is probably his best virtue.
I can’t trust him to make decisions that will always please me, but I can trust him to do his very best – if it is good for him personally or not. It is more than I can say about Obama.
Can you trust him to make any decisions that would please you? Please give an example of something in his platform that would please you?
Country First…which he has already proven.
That didn’t answer anything. You just repeated his slogan.
adam….why are you still here?????
give it up child.
there is nothing anyone can say that will console you.
He wants to get us energy independent. He finds it a question of national security. I find it too. Plus energy dependency makes our whole country poor.
He will strenghten our staning with other countries.
He looks at everything through the prism of national security. You can bet, he will do a good job.
He is a republican environmentalist if such a thing exist. He will make sure that while we drill more, we build an infrastructure for the renewable energies, such as wind, sun, tide, geothermal, water. It is important for me.
As to the economy, it will start to get better once we don’t export our Dollars to Saudi, Venezuela and other nice places.
His plan to make a $5,000 refundable tax credit for health insurance is much better than what Obama offers. I won’t be able to afford healt ins. under Obama’s plan. I can under McCains.
McCain was /is a leader on comprehensive immigration. I was so proud of John when he stood up to the GOP and said that illegal immigrants are not evil and they are just like the rest of us. We must have compassion for them ( same as Hillary said).
That blew the GOP biggies out of the water.
John McCain stood up in defiance of his party for what he believed.
That alone makes me feel secure in voting for him against Obama.
I can not now or in foreseeable future, entrust the office of the POTUS to an unknown, wishy washy, liar and panderer. No deciple of rev wright will sit in my Oval Office.
Period.
Are you high? Oblowme has never done anything for gay rights.
He was on vacation, remember? SNARK
lmao Barky, that was funny
and your point is?
so he said this. we know where he stands. we expect a democratic congress to hold him in line.
we don’t know soetoro/obama. he is not qualified to be POTUS under the constitution. IT would be an embarassment of fatal magnitude to have the dems put him forward–no one will ever trust the dems again, and america will be a laughing stock by trying to show “change” by skin color in the white house.
Soetoro is a moron. Bonehead, as Michelle would say.
The Congress doesn’t have the authority to overturn Roe V Wade, or to make a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages.
The SENATE has the ADVISE AND CONSENT role, Bright Eyes.
The Senate, in effect, CHOOSES the Supreme Court Justices. The President just “nominates” them.
The Senate can keep throwing them back, over and over again, in a Mighty Borkfest if they so desire.
Let’s get a few more things straight–The CONGRESS, not the President, makes LAW. The President can veto, and the Congress can OVERRIDE.
The President does not “spend money.” CONGRESS does–and the guy with his paws on the purse strings is CHARLIE RANGEL.
The President can, in limited fashion, commit troops. But CONGRESS can withhold the MONEY.
Congress, not the President, declares war.
CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS aren’t made by “Presidents” or the Supreme Court, either.
It’s an onerous, state-by-state process.
You shouldn’t come here talking crap like that — how old are you, TWELVE? Or are you STUPID?
You should have had this shit in American History, seventh, eighth grade. And again if you’re in high school. Or did you drop out in the Seventh Grade?
How can you be “interested in politics” if you don’t KNOW THIS SHIT? Or are you interested in a cult of personality?
That’s rather like the baseball fan who doesn’t know how many outs there are in an inning, but who likes the ass on the first baseman. If you are admiring surface characteristics, but don’t even understand the game, you’re not a REAL fan–you’re just an idiot who doesn’t give a shit about anyone else but yourself. You’d rather look at the first baseman with the cute butt who cannot catch a line drive for shit, than have the bony ass first baseman who can field ANYTHING and who has a bullet arm take the field, win the game, the pennant and the series.
It’s not a beauty contest. It is the most important job in the world.
Barack has made way too many lapses in judgment, and he is UNPREPARED, UNSEASONED, INEXPERIENCED and hence, UNQUALIFIED.
Could it be that you are you one of those Left-Behind Children of Barack’s soulmate-brother, George Bush? I still can’t believe what a poor grasp you have of our system of goverment. It’s pathetic.
If you don’t get the mechanics, you can’t appreciate the politics. They go hand in hand.
You also don’t seem to understand that McCain’s experience counterbalanced by a Democratic Congress could work out well enough–not as good as Clinton, but certainly better than Obama (OOOH, let’s run round the world, kissing Ahmadinejad, Castro AND Chavez TWICE!! We are the Wooooorld, We are the chiiiiiildren…!).
A McCain Presidency with a solid Democratic Congress could provide sufficient tension and compromise to unite the country. An Obama presidency will not.
Obama and his three hundred idiot-advisors are worse than a college sophmore with dirty feet when it comes to experienced and mature decision-making on matters of National Security. They’ve managed to give him horrible advice –that he takes, the fool–every step of the way thus far. He’d be every bit as bad as “911 George” if the shit hit the fan again. We can’t afford another “My Pet Goat” moment.
Clinton’s got the maturity and the experience to handle national security issues. McCain does as well.
Obama does not.
And we certainly don’t need Ziggy B acting as the (defacto international president) Kissinger of the new century.
God help us all.
Goooo CF – ya knocked that one right outta the park (apparently along with Adam For A Day).
You were wrong about that, but I should be going to bed soon.
yup soeBOBo has about the same depth in his rebutals.
I just said that I wasn’t gone. What Godly level of rebuttal to “He ran scared” do you want?
Well, you’re not god so any godly level of rebuttal would be highly unlikely. You seem to have the soeBOBO level of rebuttal down though.
I answered it. If you’re to stupid to fathom the answer you’re always free to ask another question.
Oh no, we’re going in circles!
I’ve noticed you swirling around and around.
Swirling? Circles? Aren’t synonyms marvelous?
now if only they were synonyms
Swirling is to circles as tiny mistakes are to me at 4:00 AM!
if you have anytime left after reading the civics text, you might want to dive into one on vocabulary
Oh, I give up. You win at being the biggest douche. I will just have to be happy with my silver medal.
You were competing to be the biggest douche? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha….
I can see why you’re so sensitive to being called stupid
You weren’t competing and you still won? I am in awe at your mastery of the art of douchery. And you’re so aloof about it. Amazing. Good night.
LOL I gotta hand it to the guy who first thought up the feather boa. It really does makes your exit all that much more dramatic.
I just arrived at Mammoth Lakes and started to read the blogs.
I’ve read Adam’s comments and the responses to his comments. It’s obvious he is here to egg everyone on. Chuck Lasker probably gave direction to the Obama trolls to go forth and blog about the so called “debate.”
Remember the Golden Troll Rule:
The articles that most clearly define SoeBama’s weaknessess are the ones that bring the persistent trolls out in force.
Go to the library tomorrow, and spend the week studying US government, structure and functions.
McCain seems to regret at least two justices that he voted to confirm. Do you think that this is impossible with a Democratically controlled congress? The problem is double considering that you seem to question the judgment of many of them after they used their votes as super delegates to make Obama the presumptive nominee.
And the courts do decide what is legal and what isn’t by setting precedents. If the court decided that same-sex marriage or a woman’s right to choose were unconstitutional, the things would become illegal. I don’t see why you’re arguing about my use of the word “amendment”, either, since McCain has been using that word himself.
In the end, if the congress ends up continually voting against the Justices that McCain tries to appoint, he will rail into the ground the idea that Congress isn’t doing its job (he’s already doing that). Congress’s favor is even less than Bush’s right now, and if that continues, the majority would probably not last as long as it would otherwise. McCain
And I haven’t called any of you stupid and I would appreciate the same courtesy from the rest of you.
LOL luckily, your words did the talking for us
What you wrote just now—does it mean anything? Your meaning isn’t entirely clear to me.
that’s because you’re stupid. LOL I tried not to say it just like you requested but obviously, it needed saying.
Obviously! lol
I see that the only level of this topic you’re qualified to comment on is second-hand name calling.
no, you’re a first hand retard. soeBOBO only sends us his best.
The idea of a second-hand retard is a sad one.
buck up little camper. You made the cut.
A third-hand retard would be even sadder.
well, you do seem very very sad.
No he won’t.
That’s stupid.
He’ll do what others in this situation do when there’s drama associated with a court pick.
First, send up an “ideologically pure” judge. That one gets shot down.
Cry to the media about it. Get the base riled. Listen to the gripes from the opposition.
Send up another one, perhaps slightly less pure.
If this one gets shot down, cry some more. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Eventually meet with a bipartisan bunch from the Judiciary Committee, everyone comes up with “lists,” and you send up a judge who is on most of those lists, preferably one with an ambiguous record…who has something that both the left and right can hang a hat on.
You study American History from FDR onward once you’ve finished that US goverment work, now. That’s how the game is played.
Don’t play cute with the Supreme Court and challenges to existing laws–there was plenty of time to make that happen in the last eight years, but it didn’t, because the law is well-crafted. Roe, even Scalia has said, is “settled law.” That dog will NOT hunt.
And you know how to get around bogus unconstitutionality issues? You write a clever law that parses the (always very narrow) issue sufficiently to satisfy the court. A Democratic Congress passes it, a GOP President vetoes, and a Democratic Congress OVERRIDES.
If you’re so worried about it, ADAM, be responsible–no glove, no love. Don’t add to the problem, and tell your friends to do the same.
I despair for this country. This is a conversation an eighth grader should be able to handle, and have a stronger command of the facts than you have. Funny how, back before the days of computers, teachers would make students read something called NEWSPAPERS and NEWSMAGAZINES, and discuss the issues of the day in class. Some would even assign students to watch something called “The Nightly News” and report back what they’d heard.
I guess that quaint practice has gone by the wayside.
Unless you have a learning disability, unless you dropped out of school or were raised by wolves and never had school, or unless you are under age 12, you are STUPID. That’s not being mean, that’s being factual.
They COVER these basics in junior high or middle school, AND high school.
How anyone can graduate from a secondary school without knowing how their government works is BEYOND ME.
And for you to come here, playing the naive, wide-eyed, innocent, and start hectoring people about what you falsely think, in your dumb fantasy head “King John” might do, is simply ASININE. It makes you look very foolish, too.
It’s plain you are frightened. You should be. You and your team bullied the INFERIOR CANDIDATE up to the podium to represent our Democratic Party, you hijacked the organization, you crapped on the process, you disrespected a critical mass of the constituency, and now the ENTIRE COUNTRY is going to have to pay for your STUPID, hubris-laden errors.
We’re down to a choice between Dumb and Dumbest because of you and your fellow goons. Your candidate, Dumbest, is not a viable choice. He’s clueless, he’s inexperienced, his judgment sucks, he’s a CROOK, and he has the obnoxious personality of someone with an unearned sense of entitlement–a lot like the clown who’s vacating the White House. He believes the hype, too–he doesn’t have a humble bone in his body, and his favorite words are “ME” and “I.”
Four years of The Ancient Mariner is what we’ll have to deal with, and it’s YOUR FAULT. We could have had Clinton, pragmatically progressive, RESULTS oriented, foucsed and sharp on NSA and defense.
So live with it. Don’t come here crying and trying to persuade us to back your shitty candidate. It ain’t happening.
You reap what you sow.
“You and your team bullied the INFERIOR CANDIDATE up to the podium to represent our Democratic Party, you hijacked the organization, you crapped on the process, you disrespected a critical mass of the constituency, and now the ENTIRE COUNTRY is going to have to pay for your STUPID, hubris-laden errors.”
Well said, and the media was an accomplice in egging these pukes on.
Did you miss the part about “legal agreements” that McCain mentioned? There are other ways to get the legal benefits of a marriage besides entering into the unique status of marriage. Did you also hear the “federalist” part? He will leave it up to the states.
Sure, ignore the abortion part. Also, McCain said that if his home state came out in favor of gay-marriage he would support a constitutional amendment banning it.
I’m ignoring it because it doesn’t personally affect me any longer, therefore it falls to the bottom of the list of priorities. Just like it does for over half of the voters? Don’t you get it? The baby-boomers make up the majority now, regardless of race and gender. Reproduction rights falls way down up against gas prices, social security, prescriptions drugs, medical care ($5000.00 tax credit), tax on sales of your primary residence, the war, spending tax money on Bear DNA, etc. Don’t you get it, these are low priority issues to most of us! John McCain is smart to address these “kitchen table” issues. BO has his head in the clouds.
I wouldn’t trust McCain’s plan on any of the things you mentioned.
Do you even know what his plans are? What is it that you do not trust?
You are mistaken.
He said, if the federal gov. would make him in Arkansas to accept the rules of Mass., he woul try to make an amendment.
His point was that he will not accept in his state what other states decided for themselves.
Dummy…check out how tough it is to amend the Constitution, mmmmmkay? Why didn’t “Fundy George” do it in the past eight years….Hmmmmmmm? When he had a GOP Congress? Huuuuuuuuh?
This country wouldn’t pass the fucking ERA–Equal Rights for WOMEN–as a Constitutional Amendment.
Check out the process. It’s ONEROUS.
It’s pointless talking to you—you are stupid or uneducated.
You don’t understand your own government. And yet, you’ve got the balls to come here and make shit up about what McCain can, and cannot do, as a so-called “reason” to vote for Obama.
Try telling the truth. Oh, yeah, can’t do that…that kind of screws up your arguments.
Marriage to me is between a man and wife again not because I am Democratic or Republican but because that is how I feel. I have a gay daughter who doesn’t believe in marriage between gays!
You are entitled to that belief, but I disagree with you.
We baby-boomers are going to let those young girls that are so hot for BO worry about their abortion rights. We have worked very hard all these years to win rights that they totally seem to be unaware of and willing to lose. So let them.
Good one, granny…
I worry about the young women who were smart enough to back Hillary – they will pay for the mistakes of the Obama Girls. But sometimes people need to fight their own battles…
Exactly. Trying to scare people about the big bad republican does nothing to make Obama more trustworthy or qualified.
Exactly, but I’m not Obama. I’m not even pitching him to you. I’m saying that you should be a little more concerned than you are about the things that McCain has been saying.
There is a sense you get from Mrs.Clinton and Mr.McCaine. America and the care for its People come first.obama would sell her and her People out at the first sign of trouble.You should be more concerned with obambi and the things he has said.
yep.
You are trying to use the approach that people need to stick together as Democrats to vote for Obama and reject McCain. That is one reason I never joined a party, I refuse to fall in line like sheep. I’m Independent so you approach won’t work on me anyway but I doubt if you will change any Democrats here to support Obama since they are wise to him.
I am not. I have not said or implied that once. I will be voting for Obama if he is the nominee in the end, but you are allowed to do whatever you want. What is so bad about me making a case against McCain, though?
Adam– nothing bad about you making a case against McCain or anything else for that matter. But you are being annoying after awhile. People on this site know more about how gov. works that you do.
You are under the mistaken impression that we are FOR McCain. That is not the point of this place. It is that we are AGAINST OBAMA.
My McCain vote will not be for John…actually it is against Obamanation.
saying “Life starts at conception” does not mean the choice a woman has to make regarding her body is none of anyones bizness but hers.
The fact that McCain has a different view is not unexpected.
Bo fumbling around for an answer to the “abortion” question, because is NOT pro choice at heart and having to be TOLD not to vote for Roberts simply lets the cat out of the bag.
PUMA
With McCain you know what you are getting even if you don’t agree with it. Obama can mimic Hillary all he wants but he can shift his position on a moment’s notice. What good are his positions then if there is no character behind them?
Bottom line, we may not agree with John McCain on every issue and until tonight probably thought we would have to hold our noses to vote for him. Not now!
Not now? He used tonight to solidify his stances against abortion and and same-sex marriages. I think any reasonable person that believes that these things should be legal would be completely turned off by these things.
We already knew about his positions on abortion and same-sex marriage and we’re prepared to hold our noses to vote for him. Now that we have heard a very direct, very concise, very committed John McCain, we are still willing to overlook his positions on those minor issues and now feel confident that he will address the issues that are on the top of the list! He was addressing the issues that rank at the top of voters concerns without “nuancing” on anything.
Tonight’s forum had little to do with issues that aren’t related to the Christian faith. He completely avoided the question about which income level he would start to consider somebody rich. He took a position that was anti-evil (who wouldn’t?). I didn’t see anything that we didn’t already know about him.
BO said “evil” should be confronted.
McCain said evil should be defeated. Bye Bye BO. Indifference is evil.
BO said he commits sins everyday and thinks the “lord” is there to wash away his sins. He is unable to take responsibilites for his actions and makes the BLT excuse. thats says hold the Mayo.
Obama is a disaster. He wants to confront evil but not defeat it — the terrorists will be glad to hear that.
After I saw the church Obama belonged to I felt Obama was disingenuous saying he was a Christian — I do not take him at his word. Wright’s organization is a hate site teaching victimology. Anyone who actually believed in God would not attend such a place.
On abortion he seemed to voice his private opinion. ‘Life begins at conception’. That’s it. He didn’t say that he wants to prohibit abortion, or anything. I don’t think he really would want to.
On gay marriages, I believe it is more important to have equal rights than being able to call it marriage. This is a good first step.
I first didn’t like the ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ law. It worked out fine, bringing us closer to the possibility to have gays and lesbians serve openly.
He said that we must protect the rights of unborn Americans. If that doesn’t mean he wants to prohibit abortion, I don’t know what does.
Adam you need to go back to the video of Obama’s response to the gay marriage issue. Obama’s answer was; marriage is defined as: a man, a woman, and God entering into a union. Obama put his answer into a religious context. McCain answer; marriage is defined as: 1 man and 1 woman, no mention of God. So upon review, an argument could be made that McCain gave the more Liberal answer.
All the rest of what the two had to say about gay rights were the same, both identified rights to be given by States and as Civil Unions not marriages.
Obama, the Democrat Progressive Liberal threw the LGBT community under the bus tonight. But, whatever, he needed to explain things more, while pandering to the RIGHT Wing of the GOP Party. McCain on the other hand just had to piss them off by NOT mentioning God or a ban on all Civil Unions and gay rights that most of his own Party wanted him to say.
Good point. I missed it.
Yeah, but what do you think would have happened if they had asked about other rights pertaining to same-sex couples? Like adoption? I really don’t know what Obama would say about it, but I have already heard McCain’s position on the subject, and it didn’t make me like him any more.
threw the LGBT community under the bus tonight
And not for the first time. 20 years in a church like TUCC is why. I heard him say that and cringed.
Where have you been? Obama will take any position that will get him more votes. With Obama it is all about HIM — by virute of sitting in Wright’s pathetic church for 20 years was more than enough to convince me that Obama does not care about this country but gets off on people who are dumb enough to slobber over him.
If you look at that debate with OPEN EYES, and HONESTY as your first priority, you will see that McCain did better than Obama…by far.
It has nothing to do with POSITION. It has to do with PRESENTATION.
McCain/Decisive. Obama/Wussy.
No contest.
I’m a lifelong Democrat who will probably vote Third Party, so don’t give me any of that “Waaaah, you’re a REPUBLICAN” bullshit.
You shouldn’t vote against everything you believe in just because it comes in a nice little package.
Don’t presume to tell others what they believe in. A right of center value system is much more common among Americans than a far left one..and that’s assuming Obama has a defined set of values at all.
I’m sorry if I assumed too much, but I really don’t think Hillary wants McCain in the White House either.
Of course she does, unless she somehow can seize the nomination–he’s her OPPONENT in 2012.
She’s not going to be an asshole, like Teddy Kennedy was to Jimmy Carter.
But she won’t have to be, because there won’t be a Dem in the WH for the next four years.
Obama’s wife said she would only “let him” do this once, and losers aren’t automatically entitled to the nom. They have to fight all over again.
Like Obama ?
Exactly. If you don’t like those qualities in Obama, why vote for them in McCain?
You are an idiot. I have told you why elsewhere in this discussion.
Go get an American Government book, READ the fucking thing, and then come back and talk to us.
You make bad, no FALSE, arguments based on NO UNDERSTANDING.
And you waste our time and yours when you do that.
You’re the only one wasting your time. If I’m wrong, I could potentially learn from your community, but if you think you’re above this discussion, your repeated commentary is only a waste of your time.
You reading the civics book first would be a better use of our time.
Which specific areas would you, “WildChild”, suggest I brush up on? I have this nagging suspicion that you’re less informed than you are letting on.
I don’t suggest you brush up on anything. I said you reading a civics book would be a better use of our time.
You volunteered your time for this, obviously you had nothing better to do.
LOL having nothing better to do and better using the time I spend here are not related in anything more than the shared word better
Those things, they are actually related on a very fundamental level.
yes, they are both english.
You are really getting on my nerves, jackass, coming in here telling everybody what to do and how to think. You are a little Obama. Tell us what to eat, what to drive, and how to set our thermostats. You worthless communist.
I didn’t do any of that. And now I’m a communist? I think you might be overreacting.
Adam reminds me of a child, who when told NO by his parents, keeps asking WHY, WHY, WHY? He needs to grow up, go back to school (unless he is already there) and learn to accept when he is not wanted to pester the grownups.
Adam/eve
transgendered obamabots I hear have developed severe allergic reactions to apples as ersult of their congenital “obamyopic” syndrome.
Hope you’ll regain your sight, sweetie, by November! Meantime, go play in McCain’s traffic…you’ll love them. You don’t have to bring your diapers or your teleprompters, either….Enjoy, hon!
You shouldn’t vote based on package either.
But you are. You like that nice little “I’m not a racist” ethnic package, don’t you?
You think it makes you “cool” to be down with the bruthah, don’t you?
You feel hip and progressive, and “leftish.”
But as I have said elsewhere, you’ve showed us that you do not understand how your government works, how the Constitution is amended, or how laws are made.
So listening to you scolding ANYONE because one candidate spoke clearly and decisively, while another spoke like a mushmouth Uhmmmm/Ahhhhh fool, and suggesting that that’s “appearance based” is fucking RICH.
One had the “appearance” of competence and experience and judgment….and the other DID NOT.
If Obama were a white guy who looked like Ron Howard, named Ron Peckerwood, who had the EXACT SAME LIFE STORY as Obama–absent father from the third world, Indonesian stepfather, raised in Hawaii, law school…community organizing…etc.–the EXACT SAME RESUME–he’d have dropped out before DODD did. And raised less money than Edwards.
This guy is being propelled forward ONLY because he’s the Party Rabbit’s Foot. He’s the “Magic Negro” like Will Smith in Bagger Vance, or Morgan Freeman in a half dozen films. He’s going to make ALL the guilt-laden white folks “feel better” about their racist legacy and past, as though everyone who isn’t black is “responsible” and must be punished for the actions of the minority racists by giving the job to the worst possible candidate–simply BECAUSE he is black.
That sort of race pandering is SHAMEFUL. But the DNC is doing it, and you are helping. And because Obama has such a measley resume, AND he’s a friend of crooks, crazy people, and traitorous bastards like Ayers, which would DISQUALIFY a guy like our fictional Ron Peckerwood, it is also OBVIOUS.
The job is TOO IMPORTANT to give it to a inexperienced, blowhard crook with lousy judgment who plays the race card like a mandolin. I’m not buying what he–or you, his ineffective, panicked surrogate–are selling.
Time to listen to John Lennon’s 70s mega-hit:
“Woman is the Nigger of the World.”
The lyrics tell it like it still is….Sweetie’s still got it good…born male, typical white grandma (Bank V-P), prep school in Hawaii’s best,mommy privileged globe-trotting hippie determined to solve the anthropological mysteries of exotic cultures….wow! Meantime, the ladies are still trying to be heard!
You’ve come a long way, Sweetie!
But We haven’t–thanks to you!…..
you honestly want someone who shows NO ABILITY to think on his feet sitting in the White House?
no thanks
McCain wasn’t thinking on his feet, he was regurgitating the same positions that the Republicans have been doing since I can remember.
Not about Georgia. It is fairly new story. Obama didn’t seem to have mentioned it.
Neither of them were asked about it. I’m sure McCain believes that Georgia’s situation is an area where he wins, and it might be, but he asked even before he the question about evil, when he could start talking about it. I think he should have let the moderator pick the topics.
Actually Adam Mccain responded to a question on Genocide and the host in cluded Georgia in the question. So go back and watch the tape.
BO said it was above his pay grade. Then he is admitting POTUS is not for him. Jesus had no use for money or power, being he porports to be a man of christian faith. Why did he let Rezko in his life? Nothing Christain about screwing the poor for personal gain and claiming ignorance.
Is the Obama campaign paying you by the comment? I would equate the content of your comments with the content of Obama’s character — a big zero.
You’re the conspiracy theorist here, aren’t you?
he asked you a question.
No. I am not.
see how easy that was.
Well, McCain thought enough –on his feet, or sitting on his ass–to handle himself VERY well in that venue.
Stumblebum, though, didn’t.
It’s not like he didn’t know he was going to be there, either, or have a general idea of what sorts of questions would be asked. Hell, I was right on the money with what subject matters would be covered well ahead of the event.
Stumblebum either didn’t prepare, or worse, and more likely, he just SUCKS at communicating with the American People.
I’ll be glad to defend John McCain. I may not agree with all of his positions, but I don’t agree with all of Hillary’s positions, either. That’s why I’m an Independent and not affiliated to either party. What I like about John is that he’s tough, decisive and stands for what he believes in, even though the answer might not be a popular one. McCain has been through hell and lived to tell about it. As others have said (and the forum last night proved) he brings a lifetime of experience to the job.
For me, the very first question summed up the whole thing. Who would you go to for advice in your administration? McCain chose people who were experts in their fields. Obama named Michelle and his grandmother. Enough said.
This is not about Hillary. No deflecting. No rerouting. No blaming somebody else. That won’t fly anymore. OWN YOUR SHITTY CANDIDATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I offer a little scrutiny to Obama’s mis statement. If he had actually voted against the war..why does he now proffer that it would have been gut wrenching? Wasn’t it supposed to have been his unfaultering, sound judgement that provided him the moral authority over Hillary and McCain for being the sole opponent to the war? He never appeared to have anguished about his falsified
voteopinion at all.Superb point. Why indeed? I thought he was of firm mind on the matter.
In the safe environs of liberal Chicago’s university neighborhoods, there was no risk — no risk at all — in what he said in that speech, so unremarkable at the time that the Chicago newspapers made no mention of it, and no one bothered to videotape the speech. In fact, Axelrod et al. had to recreate the speech in a recording studio.
However, there was what he said in 2004 about the war — that he didn’t know how he would have voted had he been in the Senate.
He has, in fact, had many positions on the war. If but people would use their BRAINS to examine this man instead of following their hearts.
Good one Hope!!
Obama
liedmisspoke again??Or maybe he wanted to play the Iraq card…You know, remind voters that he “opposed the war from the beginning.”
That sounded desperate to me.
I love the way he claimed that his most gut-wrenching moment was voting against the Iraq War … WHEN HE WASN’T EVEN IN CONGRESS UNTIL ALMOST TWO YEARS AFTER THE WAR HAD ALREADY STARTED!!!
Jeez, what a complete bullshitter.
This is from the transcript where he never says he actually VOTED but gives the impression he was there in the Senate privy to all the information.
(sorry for the cut-and-paste caps)
WHAT’S THE MOST GUT WRENCHING DECISION YOU’VE EVER HAD TO MAKE AND HOW DID YOU PROCESS THAT, COME TO THAT DECISION?
A WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I’VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES BUT ALSO BECAUSE SADDAM HUSSIEM WAS A BAD PERSON AND THERE WAS NO
DOUBT THAT HE MET AMERICA ILL, …Etc.
Link?
Plug a piece of that into GOOGLE. That’ll give ya yer link.
LINK……RCP.COM DO YOU EVER READ ?
Yep, he proudly ran his whole primary run on this friggin’ so called speech but now all of a sudden, it’s gut wrenching? Let’s called a spade a spade, O-fraudulent is completely out of his league. Susan is right, he can get himself 10 coaches and it wouldn’t matter because at the end of the day, he’s a black version of dubya.
His gut wrenchin Non Vote answer was the dumbest thing of all the thngs he said. This was a very profound question and he looked like a buffoon. As is typical of Narcissists, he had to make something up because to Narcissists, nothing is gut wrenching and nothing is ever a mistake either…unless of course it’s someone else’s fault.
The Clarence Thomas answer will be his downfall. Not enough experience for the job? Duh!!! What a dufus. Here is a guy with zero experience talking about someone else not be qualified for the same reason. I hope McCain makes an ad out of that one.
Yeah, he seemed to catch himself when he first said it, but then couldn’t baracktrack out of it.
Yes. I should have included that. RiehlView covers it very well:
Obama: Clarence Thomas Is Just Too Dumb
(I’ll add it as an update. Thanks for the reminder.)
So does Commentary; John P. there writes:
Whoops! Does Barky have ADHD or something? He needs to think before he answers.
Clarence will get him for that..
I would rather be Governed by the first 8 names in the telephone book.
William F.Buckley
“Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War.”
This needs a transcript for a direct quote. Stunning, Barack is still lying his ass off about this.
I just checked CNN transcripts. It’s not up yet.
And, I checked the gray lady. Nada.
Memeorandum.com has become my “newspaper of record.” It has also been superb on the conflict in Georgia.
Susan, check below. I posted the transcript
From my “The Past Week” post that will be going up early Sunday AM (just after midnight ET):
Last but not least, Saturday night the Saddleback Forum hosted Obama and McCain, “on the same stage,” but not at the same time! McCain was on for the second hour, which means Obama couldn’t do his standard “I agree with ……..” game. I didn’t watch any of it, but caught clips. Frankly, from what I saw, I think McCain did very well and I think his maturity is a refreshing after having Obama being shoved at us non-stop. The relaxed setting suited McCain just fine. I find McCain is easier, in terms of style, to listen to at this point. That doesn’t mean that I’ll vote for him (I’m definitely NOT voting for Obama), but at least I can stand watching him for more than 2 minutes, unlike Obama, whom I can’t watch at all.
http://insightanalytical.wordpress.com
“For the first time, the RCP averages maps are showing Colorado as a red state, and no longer a tossup. It’s the third state to turn solid red from tossup in a week (after Missouri and Nevada).”
OMG. Have you seen this from HillBuzz? And this was before Obama’s horrible performance in the townhall. I can’t believe this is happening. This is like a slow-motion train-wreck. Every week brings more bad news for Obama. When will it end? Will it ever end?
Where are you, Hillary?
But but but…..Howard is throwing his PARTY in Colorado? Why won’t the state LOOOOOOVE him and his shitty candidate?
Cue the Beatles singing Can’t Buy Me Love!
I haven’t watched the debate yet, did Warren not press him on his false statement about voting against the Iraq war? Obama is so blindly arrogant, he may have actually convinced himself in his own mind that he was in the Senate at the time and did vote against the Iraq War. Someone needs to publically call him on this mistatement.
McCain cleaned Soetoro’s clock
Barry Soetoro only has woulda , coulda answers since he was never actually anywhere other than campaigning,
this, simply, is his biggest problem and if he had , potentially, a scintilla of good judgment, he would have waited at least 8 years.
This way,BS looks like a narcissistic blowhard….which is, oh, exactly what he is.
I do not watch Obama talk unless I have to as it usually leaves me unhappy, so I caught the Faux News round table discussion of Obama’s performance. From their description of his answers, it sounds like he was very good at giving out the right answer on many subjects. I thought, that’s how it always is. Obama speaks well to each particular audience, but he never stands behind what he says or equally bad, stradles an issue, which the press always treats as if it is some kind of virtue.
Put him in front of a group of devil worshipers and he would be just as ingratiating.
Plausible and very scary.
That’s the pathetic thing. Obama still believes his own bullshyt. As if anyone who has been paying attention already knows he wasn’t in the senate during that vote, Obama seems to not have read that article in the NYT.
Obama is far, far too in over his head. It’s getting really pathetic – like putting the custodian and the VP of operations up against each other to become CEO.
Buzz, I must disagree, I’ve known plenty of custodians that could out work and out produce many of today’s CEOs…a better analogy would be the young upstart party dude son of the present CEO coming in and taking over the company ahead of all the seasoned VPs.
You’re taking that too literal and personal. Of course, people could rise to any level they have the intelligence and expertise to do so. However, a custodian wouldn’t have the same knowledge base necessarily that a white collar worker would have and vise versa. Have you been a professional?
McCain proved his more vast and experienced knowledge base while Barky was still speaking in text book generalities. And lies. Even thought they are in the same game.
So no, I don’t agree with your viewpoint.
You’re taking that too literal and personal. Of course, people could rise to any level they have the intelligence and expertise to do so. However, a custodian wouldn’t have the same knowledge base necessarily that a white collar worker would have and vise versa. Have you been a professional?
McCain proved his more vast and experienced knowledge base while Barky was still speaking in text book generalities. And lies. Even though they are in the same game. Expand your thinking on this one.
So no, I don’t agree with your viewpoint.
Buzz Latte
There is a book you should read it was called “the peter principle”
Most people are promoted to their own level of imcompetence.
If you want to know what really goes on in a company ask the janitor.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
The super delegates better take a second look as to who might have a chance against McCain after tonights performance of the chosen one. Hillary would have done well just as she did in the compassion debates on CNN. She and McCain would be a perfect unbeatable combination Pres Hillary, Vice_Pres McCain, of course that is not possible (giggle)
Hillary is the only shot left for a Democratic win.
The poles surely will show that if they would be honest enough to poll that question. Who is the stronger candidate that could beat McCain?
I think the answer would be a resounding HRC.
Having said that John McCain won me over so I now have my decision, if Obama is nominated, McCain will get my vote. DEFINITELY NO PARTY UNITY NO HOW.
The Democrats robbed us of good quality debates between Hillary Clinton and John McCain. Clinton would have taken up McCain on doing the townhalls. Instead we get Racecard Obama shoved down our throats causing this country to appear to be going insane.
If it weren’t for the brutality and arrogance he and his campaign have shown, Obama might have garnered some sympathy. After all, he is in way over his head and he can’t hide from it forever. His minions must surely be embarrassed for him.
Even TM is saying he had better “game up”.
GAME OVER
CONVENTION EVENT!
Join Us August 25th as we Give a Thousand Candles Salute To the People’s President, Senator Hillary Clinton! Those not attending the conference can hold candle salute parties.
http://www.therise2008.com
hhaaa, just saw a segment on the Denver news and they reported that the credential badges used for delegates for the upcoming convention are getting flack from folks. The badge shows the US flag, but the stars segment is in the lower left corner of the badge. Folks are complaining that the stars of our flag should always be in the upper left corner because the way they have it now, represents a symbol of distress! LOL! I guess that would be the correct representation for the Dem convention. One commenter said “image and symbol are everything and the DNC has YET, made another mistake” LOL, I guess the first being Barry Soetoro.
You’re KIDDING.
My GOD, this is a TRAIN WRECK.
Ask any bozo who’s been in the military–you learn that in boot camp.
Hell, couldn’t the “technology campaign” that makes fun of old people who don’t use computers bother to frigging GOOGLE “flag dispay?”
Another mistake ….. indeed.
Obama will probably bring Ayers out to step on the flag.
Yes an upside down flag is a well recognized signal of distress. The DNC and Dean didn’t know that? Of course Howard Dean knows that. The DNC? Well…
But evidently the folks running the DNC out of Chicago don’t. Dean let this happen.
Yes, but money blinds everyone …and BO seems to be able to raise tons of it: that beside CDS is the real reason behind the DNC’s blindness..
Take a look: 65,000 new donors…Ummm where from?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/obama-campaign.html
Of course what this does not say is that Reps. are giving to the RNC b/c McCain will take public funds so he cannot take any more money directlt starting Sept. That’s why there is “parity” so far. Still
the Dems seem to have been always behind (can’t remember during the Clinton campaigns though) so parity is quite an achievement.
He’s way in over his head applying for a job involving life and death.
The presidency is not an internship.
It really scares me how many intelligent Americans have bought into this hopey-changey thing. We need a grown-up.
He would be way over his head applying for a job involving decisions about arugala and endive.
Obama may be over his head applying for a job at Whataburger.
I gave my thoughts on the forum tonight over on the TUBE, you can click my name to get there, for anyone who wants to check it out.
But yeah, the messiah got OWNED tonight!
His culties are in denial, natch.
They’re trying to say it was rigged, the audience was all McCain supporters, they gave him the questions before hand. ANYTHING that can allow them to avoid reality…..”Yes, Virgina, there will be NO Obama White House this year…or any year.
Next time, just stick with asking for that pony!”
We know, we know..he doesn’t need those voters anyway.
Another group under the bus and a bumpy road ahead.
I suppose to be fair they should set up a debate in front of Obama’s strongest constituency, Hamas comes to mind.
I noticed that too. They were saying it was McCain`s crowd…..so I suppose Obama would give different answers to different crowds….sounds like his MO.
I remember Obama’s last debate with Hillary when Obama got the crap beat out of him — all of the Obamapukes went to ABC’s site and whined that they did not give Obama a pacifier.
If Obama is fit for the WH it shouldn’t make any difference whose supporters were in the crowd.
Remember Bill Clinton routinely went into hostile venues where he was booed and named-called. Yet he kept doing it. He also managed to answer the questions asked despite the reaction of the crowd.
So what Obama supporters are admitting is unless the crowd is full of Obamaites and they are in full agreement with him he can’t function.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for his abilities to be President.
I don’t agree with everything John MaCain says or stands for but……I do know Obama is way out of his league. We just can’t put the country and the world in these incapable hands. Even Axe-rod can’t fill in for experience. It’s Hillary or McCain
McCain speaks plainly, TO people. He empathizes. He shares their concerns. He’s DECLARATIVE. “I want to be President of all the people. I will always put America first. I believe our best days are ahead of us.” Obama, OTOH, hems, haws, peppers his speech with …Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhs…. and …..Uhmmmmmmmmmmmms …. and a shit load of me and I as well.
Obama also gets wonky and didactic, and that babble about how faulty America has been in foreign policy matters sounded like he was putting the country in the “naughty chair.”
It was just dogshit awful, his presentation.
His saving grace is that there was football on in some markets, as well as the Olympics.
If I had to pick a winner, I’d say McCain, hands down–even though I didn’t care at all for many of his answers. His voice is MUCH easier to listen to (not that his hokey “My Friends” routine is riveting, it’s just “better” than the Obama drone) and his answers were much more succinct.
I personally object to these sorts of venues, with this asinine “Who Loves JEEEESUS BEST????” theme, where people have to get up and get grilled by some fucking “Minister” about their “Faith.” I could never be President, because my answer to that line of questioning is “None of Your Fucking Business–it is a PRIVATE matter. Read your Constitution, asshole, particularly the bit about there not being any religious TESTS to hold office.”
However, it serves Obama right that he did poorly here, because he was the one who REFUSED to do the town halls with McCain.
But then–looking at this performance–who came out looking DECISIVE, and who came out looking…WONKY?
McCain can also be reasoned with and he has good common sense.
To me that is the change I have been waiting for. It’ll be about damn time we have someone with common sense and good judgement in the White House again.
Hillary??????????????? Please??????????
If not then it’ll be McCain!
This cycle does seem to be heavy on religion and religious forums. Yet we still know very little about Obama’s true faith and values.
You are so right about his incessant use of “I”. Any rudimentary mangement or leadership class will advise to limit the use of the word “I”, it only adds to the elitist, arrogant persona he already has.
Naughty chair LOL!
I have one bone to pick. A wonk is someone who actually has the answers at hand.
Both Bill and Hillary are known as policy “wonks”.
Skirting issues and hemming and hawing is not wonky behavior.
On Thomas, I think Obama is just irritated with him because Thomas doesn’t speak spanish!
Obama missed the opportunity to say “Because I DO believe he harrassed Anita Hill, and I do believe Anita Hill was treated shamefully by the Judiciary Committee. They owe her an APOLOGY.”
I waited for THAT.
Didn’t hear it.
He’s a jerk.
I listened to the full two hours. I did not need after-the-fact commentary or spin. The constrast was indisputable: McCain dominated in each and every answer and Obama looked and sounded like the rookie.
I would have loved to have heard Hillary Clinton take on McCain. It would have been a performance between equals. But this? Clearly McCain’s night. Strong, unequivocal, direct, on the money.
I never-ever thought I would fall on the Republican side because I do not agree with all of McCain’s positions. But when it comes to Commander-in-Chief? When it comes to a credible, viable, trsutworthy candidate for POTUS?
McCain in ‘08. Any other vote is absolute insanity.
And btw, I am not a evangelical Christian, not a Republican, not even close. But this Dem? He’s beyond lame!
McCain’s answer to why you want to be CIC…… “I want to inspire a generation of Americans to serve a cause greater than their self-interest.”
yeah, go out and take bullets for the wealthy.
Hillary Clinton is the only candidate I will consider.
John McCains own son is serving in iraq you twit.
Welcome to your new U.S. President, John McCain.
Without a doubt, Obama will decline other “debates.”
Talking without a script someone else wrote for him, isn’t his strong suit.
He’s already agreed to a few.
I think he regrets it.
Obama has never performed well in any debate and that is simply because he has no experience and no qualifications for this job,it is obvious. He is a bumbler unless he is reading someone else’s words.
The transcript from tonight is on Rick Warren’s web site.
In Part I of the transcript, Page 8, Obama says:
So, Obama concedes that he was “just starting [his] campaign.”
But then, on Page 12 of Part I of the transcript, Obama says this:
I report, you decide.
I think Obama is a flip-flopping double-speaker. He tries to have it both ways.
“Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War.”
Then it appears this bit of info is incorrect.
Okay mea culpa. I didn’t follow my own advice and double check the source.
However, one protest speech does not a leader make.
Obama did say that if he’d been in the Senate he’s not sure how he would’ve voted.
There’s a non-decisive statement for you.
you guys gotta see this…
a little girl asks Baracktrack why he is running for president:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpOxF0sID3A
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Dang, he’s stupid. Noticed in one part of the video he said “oh, we didn’t do the pledge of allegiance yet? Do you want to lead us into the pledge?” My 16 year old niece was at a beach in Hawaii two days ago and I dared her to asked him if he can recite the pledge of allegiance(she chickened out). I would bet good money that he doesn’t know it by heart. Would love to see a kid asked him that question at a town hall meeting. He’ll ummm and awwww himself to death.
Obama seemed to be getting a lot of loud and enthusiastic applause earlier this evening, for someone who put in so horrible a performance. This was before an analytical and opinionated crowd, too.
Obama took a different approach from McCain. Obama treated the occasion like a conversation with Pastor Warren. McCain approached it like a moderated presentation before an audience. Questions occasioned replies, followed by little campaiagn pitches peppered with annecdotes.
I’d score this one as a tie. They both came across well.
James:
Either you’re deaf or blind or both. This wasn’t even close to tie. McCain slaughtered Obama, made him look like the rookie he is. Come off the kool-aid and look at the performance, listen to the answers.
Obama is an intern. And he has the unmitigated gall to criticize Clarence Thomas’s experience [who I personally dislike and do not agree with]?
What a frigging joke!
That loud applause you were hearing was before he sat down in the chair. It declined from there.
If you want to hear loud applause listen to the mccain portion. you will hear it many many times.
I’d score your comment as a Six Point Five on the PUMA FEAR meter.
Obama lost that contest. Plainly. Unquestionably. He didn’t get his ass handed to him, but that’s only because the venue was not confrontational and the questioner was gentle.
Do yourself and others a favor, don’t ever serve on a jury.
McCain was superb Saturday night and knocked ‘em outta the park. Someone on another forum said it was Teddy Roosevelt vs. Adlai Stevenson. Sounds about right.
John McCain will make an excellent president. I wish Hillary had the nomination, though, and still hope for a miracle at the convention.
Hey Barry, Who’s ya Daddy? Looks like Grandpa is.
-=chuckle=-
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Damn funny, Annie
I don’t understand those who call for 3rd party (Adam) as though it were a viable, realistic choice.
I was, and still would be, am, a passionate Hillary supporter but would I bet the farm on a HRC nomination?
No way.
So, as a pragmatist, my choices are John McCain or Barry Soetoro.
My perfect “Second World” choices are kind of immaterial here……
to me it simply boils down to who do I want closer to that red button
that neophyte who hides his real birth certificate and his medical records and has no core values or legitimate history
or
Johnny Mac?
for me it’s no contest
Johnny Mac for POTUS and voting all those lily livered Soetoro supporters down ticket out of office.
I have zero respect for the Democratic party now, I’m voting all the bums out, as my Dad used to say.
Bell,Artista,
Said like a patriot. I’m with you; I’m throwing my tea into the harbor and voting the bums out too.
I’m tossing my arugula in the harbor as well.
Adam’s disingenuous “questions” and “viewpoints” make it plain he doesn’t understand how the United States government WORKS. He doesn’t know anything about separation of powers, checks and balances, how to amend the Constitution, how Supreme Court justices are vetted, any of that shit. Either that, or he’s playing the innocent fool to be a putz–of course, all it does is reflect on his “team.”
He seems to think a President can operate like a King. Apparently he’s about on a par, knowledge-wise, with the rest of the “Make friends with Koolaid” crowd.
“Barack Obama is simply not ready for the job.”
Agreed. On top of that he has so many character problems and is a compulsive liar that he could never be trusted or believed.
“Barack Obama is out of his league.”
Obama is trying to play major league ball with a whiffleball bat.
Baracktrack again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pod1Kr-q6us
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
James there is no way tonight was a tie. McCain wiped the floor with Obama.
Funny, they tried to say the same thing after Hillary destroyed Obama in PA. Apparently the public didn’t buy it.
If it were a tie or an Obama win the MSM/Corporate media would have been crowing immediately afterward.
They didn’t.
Just as a side note, the Huffy-po posters are going wild with the “after-shock” of this dismal performance by “The One.” Seventy-two pages of posters, mostly apologists from what I can tell [no, I didn't read all 72 pages] but they know what everyone else knows: Obama is lame, lame and this night was a disaster in terms of proving Obama is ready for prime time.
The Democratic Party, my party, is headed for a trainwreck. Why, oh why won’t they admit it???? I’ve read [actually heard] that Obama was “off his game” because of the recent vacation, all the flying time, etc., etc,. etc. Sorry, doesn’t wash. Would they use that excuse for a major screwup in the White House?
No. Doesn’t wash now. Doesn’t wash, period.
Yeah, most business people do “homework” on the flight to prepare for meetings. I couldn’t contain myself when I heard the “jet lag” theory. Gee, maybe he should have had feet on the ground a day ahead of time if that was a problem he has trouble with.
Adam, the Democratic Party has been losing elections for all these years because they are so hung up on liberal social issues…gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Republicans, and I am not in complete agreement with them, are in sync with the majority of the American people. Most are not for abortion (even those who are pro-choice) and absolutely will swing further to the right when confronted with late term abortion and other extreme positions.
John McCain is exactly where most Americans are on gay marriage. People have no problem with civil unions legalizing equality in property, tax issues and personal commitment, etc., and don’t understand what the problems is. You can’t force churches to go against the tenants of their religious convictions. There is a whole big country between the East and West Coasts. When JM said he’d be the president of all the people, that resonates. I expect Obama to put civil rights back 40 years with his bigotry, bias and BLT beliefs. He has a huge chip on his shoulder and unresolved issues regarding his identity. The White House is not the place to work it out. A therapist’s office maybe? While we’re at it a little anger management for MEchille wouldn’t be out of order either…but not from the WH.
sorry, make that “problem is”.
I only rate their performaces as a tie. In terms of votes, Obama will pick some up and McCain will lose some.
How many young American women missed the implications of John McCain’s no-room-for-discussion assertion that a fertilized egg has all the legal rights of a child at the moment of conception?
Grandpa just told them he thinks they’ve got no right to decide if they want to continue a pregnancy, as of the moment they become pregnant.
What he said wouldn’t just have implications with regard to choosing an abortion, either. Birth control pills prevent pregnancy by keeping fertilized eggs from implanting. That fertilized egg has the same legal rights as a child. From the moment of conception.
Add to that what he said about the Supreme Court, “legislating from the bench”, and the three Supreme Court vacancies the next president will likely fill.
It’ll take a couple of days for this to sink in. But it will.
We secured Roe vs Wade for them. If they want to keep it they can take to the streets (if it becomes jeopardized…which didn’t even happen with either Bushies) just as we did.
As for me, I couldn’t care less about your threats on abortion. Maybe it’s time to rethink. If young women haven’t taken advantage of birth control and the morning after pill then I have no advise for them. Let’s see. Birth control, abortion, civil rights, recycling, the environment…only a few of the issues we tackled in the 60’s and yet we’re just a bunch of toothless old hags according to you bots. Time to man up, boys.
I threatened somebody? I only pointed out something McCain said, and expressed an opinion about it.
I have absolutely no clue where “toothless old hags” comes in.
You’re using the politics of fear. The democrats can reject all of McCain’s picks for the bench if they had a set of balls
Is it using the politics of fear to point out that ignoring what a candidate says may have consequences?
McCain has been making some very aggressive statements about Russia lately. I will also point out that ignoring that may have very serious consequences, for a nation that’s involved in two open-ended wars it can hardly sustain already.
I don’t consider pointing out such things “using the politics of fear”. It’s more like the politics of reality.
All actions have consequences, but not everybody runs and dives under the bed or does something crazy like vote for Barry soeBOBO when faced with them. If you’re afraid, call up your super delegates and pressure them to vote for Hillary in the roll call vote. Then you won’t have to be afraid anymore.
Why this repeated suggestion that Obama supporters are afraid? Actually, for the first time, I’m feeling guarded optimism about November.
Increasingly McCain is revealing himself. Increasingly, opinion about Obama is being based upon what he is saying, rather than what others are saying about him.
Whatever you might think, Obama has a message and he communicates it well. People respond positively to what they hear. Did you actually watch the entire presentation tonight, or just listen to what the FOX commentators had to say?
No one should be taking anything for granted about the coming election.
LOL I was watching the Olympics. When I have a choice between watching Americas womans beach volley ball teams kick some ass or Barry soeBOBO get an ass kicking, I choose the former.
Another one who doesn’t understand US government.
If it were so frigging easy to amend the Constitution, nitwit, why didn’t George II do it? Hmmmmmm?
If it were so EASY to change abortion law, why didn’t George II DO IT….when he had a GOP CONGRESS?
You play the fear card, and you don’t even know what it takes to write law, WHO passes law, the veto/override process, the ADVISE AND CONSENT role of the Senate, who controls the flow of cash (not the president, GOMER), or how long it takes to amend the Constitution.
You are STUPID. Or deliberately obtuse.
Either way, you’re SCARED Shitless. Which is WHY you are here.
I give your posts a full TEN points on the PUMA FEAR meter.
Adam knows. He’s playing the disrupter everyone has to reply to.
Takes everyone off of the actual topic. Obama’s poor debate performance.
One Obama supporter actually admitted that this is a marketing campaign. That Obama was ready to sell the product. No mention of government, leadership, knowledge of domestic or foreign affairs.
Obama is, IMHO, a media creation run amok.
James if your so worried about it I suggest you buy stock in a condom company.
What? Lose your bot talking points for Hillary supporters?
Crowley: Exit Obama
Posted: 09:10 PM ET
From CNN Senior Political Correspondent Candy Crowley
Obama and McCain crossed paths at the faith forum.
Obama and McCain crossed paths at the faith forum.
LAKE FOREST, California (CNN) — Obama wraps up. In all, he often slipped into stump speech material, but overall, but some questions brought some things I’ve never heard. He said he would not have appointed Clarence Thomas, basically because he thinks Thomas wasn’t up to the job at the time.
This seemed like a very pro-Obama crowd to me, but mccain just walked on stage and people were very enthusiastic in the welcome. Obama and McCain shake hands and whisper something to each other.
Exit Obama
and, James if you haven’t discovered them yet, better get acquainted with condoms.
You are in never neverland on the polls. McCain won on every issue with the silent majority.
James, put the crack pipe down and slowly back away form the keyboard, OK?
McCain clearly helped himself at Obama’s expense tonight. I’ll be interested in seeing the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls on Monday or Tuesday. McCain may well be ahead.
LOL
Right on the $.
Some **!! told me that Obama was being thoughtful tonight. This is the new way to run the world. I almost threw up. What are they smoking?
I would of loved to have seen a Clinton, McCain
discussion or debate. Now that would of been interesting TV.
But no, because of the DNC we’ve got stuttering, hemming, heehawing and actual lying about an ” Iraq war vote” from Obama. How about that answer on advisors, Michele and grandma? What?? Grandma’s under the bus where O threw her! What a difference in first ladies too, Michele blaming and condemning America and Cindy out volunteering to give aid and relief to needy people all over the world.
One couple has proven Christian and patriotic actions, the other all talk.
As for comparing HRC’s experiences and values and saying they’re the same as Oblah’s is one hell of an insult to her and her supporters .
And, please Senator McCain, have your campaign turn that lie about his Iraq gut wrenching vote into a new ad. In case people are not up to speed, that has to be exposed nation wide.
I just this moment saw a televised repeat of that particular comment. Obama didn’t say he’d voted against the war. He said that he took a public position in opposition to the war, just at the point in time when he was beginning his campaign for a seat in the Senate. That, in fact, is what he did. It was a very unpopular position at the time.
You are correct. The newspaper linked above reported it incorrectly.
By the way Obama was not running for the US Senate in 2002. He did not start until later in 2003.
He was still involved in keeping his State seat; it was all local politics. His war position had no relevance at that point in time.
People forget that Obama was basically the Democrats’ throw-away candidate in a Senate race that Republican Jack Ryan was widely expected to win confortably. Then about two months before Election Day, it was revealed that Ryan’s ex-wife …. former Star Trek “Seven of Nine” hottie Jerri Ryan …. had claimed in her divorce filings that Jack Ryan had a habit of making her go to clandestine “sex clubs” with him, often asking her to go down on him while others watched. As might be expected, this didn’t play too well with the “family values” set and Ryan ultimately had to drop out of the race. The GOP scrambled and managed to dig up Alan Keyes to run against Barry, but it was far too late. Barry won by default.
So, Barack Obama’s meteoric political rise got its kickstart by virtue of a pissed off wife dropping the dirt on her pervert husband in a divorce case. Had Jack Ryan managed to keep it in his pants in public … or at least managed to keep his wife happy … Barry Obama would still be just another state senator from Illinois.
Wait a minute… You’re telling me Barack Obama is a presidential contender because of some second-string Illinois politican’s kinky marital relationship with a character from Star Trek?
Beam me up, Scotty! Quick! I think I’m losing my mind.
I was living in Chicago at the time. That’s pretty much how it played out. After the family values perv who was married to seven of nine self destructed, BOBO had to face off with crazy man Allen Keyes for the junior senator from IL slot. soeBOBO may as well have ran unopposed.
It’s an accurate rehashing of the events.
Ryan was supposed to be a shoo-in. That sex club business was the talk of the town–from LA to DC to NY to Chicago!!
His replacement, Alan Keyes, was a far-right, fundy-Jesus asshole who was shipped IN from MD. Picture an ugly Garrett Morris with an attitude and an insistence on OVER-pronouncing every word he spoke to the point that it sounded like he was teaching English as a Second Language.
During the campaign, it was revealed that he was on the outs with his daughter, who had just come out of the closet and blogged about it. The father basically DISOWNED her, stopped paying her rent, her tuition at Brown University (IIRC) because of it, and she was frantic, but somehow managed to get some financial help–either a private person who took pity, or through the school.
The reason this was significant is because Keyes had just called Cheney’s daughter a SINNER for being gay. It got very interesting!
A dead DOG could have beaten Alan Keyes. Obama had no competition, really.
If Mike Ditka had decided to run as the GOP candidate (he thought about it, but wussed out at the last moment), we wouldn’t be having this discussion!
Obama’s way was cleared by an act of fate. From freshman Senator to presidential candidate in less than four years? The guy has destiny written all over him. For some reason.
Thanks for refreshing my memory! I can’t believe I forgot this. Yes it is absolutely true; I focused on this because of Jerri Ryan. I watched this Star Trek show all the time. Ironic isn’t it; Obama was a total unknown. I only remember because of Star Trek! I dropped the ball on this one; I should have been blogging this story all over the internet.
Fraudbama gets peeved and shows his true demon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGSWk8LrR4
omigod, I will never get over that one…
he scares the crap outta me — just like that.
yikes!
hahhaa, i love the trolls asking us to go for a 3rd party candidate!
No chance boys! the goal for people here is for Obama to lose.
Because then the DNC leadership will be out on their asses.
Obama got pwned. But walk it off kids, because the hits are gonna just keep coming.
We all know that the only reason people have the nerve to say that we should vote for Obama because he and Hillary are the same on issues.
No.they.are.not.
He just copied every bright, informed thing she said in the debates later and tried to convince everyone these were his positions all along. What a disgusting hack.
Fraudbama reveals what change is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLlxxWaJZM
Comment by thebword | 2008-08-17 01:10:48
Adam you need to go back to the video of Obama’s response to the gay marriage issue. Obama’s answer was; marriage is defined as: a man, a woman, and God entering into a union. Obama put his answer into a religious context. McCain answer; marriage is defined as: 1 man and 1 woman, no mention of God. So upon review, an argument could be made that McCain gave the more Liberal answer.
All the rest of what the two had to say about gay rights were the same, both identified rights to be given by States and as Civil Unions not marriages.
Obama, the Democrat Progressive Liberal threw the LGBT community under the bus tonight. But, whatever, he needed to explain things more, while pandering to the RIGHT Wing of the GOP Party. McCain on the other hand just had to piss them off by NOT mentioning God or a ban on all Civil Unions and gay rights that most of his own Party wanted him to say.
Why a third party? So Obama can win?
I really enjoyed what a friend of mine said tongiht after hearing all the uhs and hmmms Obama inserted into every sentence.
“And this man is going to give press conferences?”
Someone needs to make a YOUTUBE of nothing but the UNNNNNNHS, and AAAAAAAAHs, and ERRRRRRRRRRRRS from this discussion.
I’ll bet it would be a mighty long tape.
UPDATE] (2A) “Obama: Clarence Thomas Is Just Too Dumb“:
On Thomas: “I don’t think he was a strong enough jurist, or legal thinker.”
On Scalia: … although I don’t think there’s any doubt about his intellectual brilliance.”
I wonder if Obama thinks all black people are dumb? Based upon previous Jesse Jackson comments, Jackson pretty much suggested he does when he accused Obama of talking down to blacks
____________________________________________________
Clarence Thomas is dumb.
I can’t remember the entire question,about who he would ask for advice..He said Michelle, or his grandmother…I laughed so loud, I needed a drink,just to calm down. lol
This is a joke,right, it will end