Will Barry Soetoro Be a Problem for Barack? (Update)
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on August 16, 2008 at 3:52 PM in Current Affairs
When did Barack Obama become Barack Obama? There is now overwhelming evidence that for a significant portion of his childhood the man we now know as Barack Obama had a different legal name–he was Barry Soetoro. Both Texas Darlin and Matthew Weaver have written about the document that the Associated Press turned up showing Barack aka Barry registered at a Catholic school as a citizen of Indonesia and a muslim.
Inside Edition has done a story that features this document:
Here’s what we know for sure:
Barack/Barry’s birth father was a non-practicing muslim from Kenya. Barack Obama of Kenya was a defacto polygamist but this had nothing to do with a deeply held religious believe.
When Barack/Barry’s mom, Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro Barack/Barry was adopted and became legally known as Barry Soetoro. Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate was updated to reflect that fact sometime between 1965 and 1969.
In Indonesia Barry Soetoro (the man we now know as Barack) was considered to be a muslim and learned the muslim call to prayer. However, when Barry Soetoro moved back to Hawaii to live with his non-muslim grandparents we have no evidence that he continued to identify himself as a practicing muslim. I do not know why the Obama campaign allows this cloud to linger because the Republican machine will succeed in forcing him to concede that as a child he practiced Islam.
Matthew Weaver listed eight questions he would like answered. I have a much simpler list:
1. When did you change your name legally to Barack Obama? Why?
2. When did you renounce your Indonesian citizenship that came to you by virtue of your adoption by Lolo Soetoro?
What is fascinating in watching the video above that seeks to debunk the notion that Barack is a closet muslim is that all of his schoolmates know him and refer to him as BARRY. So Barry Soetoro, what is the real story?
UPDATE: Here’s the point the Obama crew fails to grasp. I am not alleging he did anything illegal or wrong, but his refusal to answer these questions in a simple, clear manner keeps the issue alive. And the Republicans are not going to give him a pass on these matters. They will insist on getting the answers. And the pressure will increase dramatically once the conventions are done. At that point Barack/Barry’s ability to talk about issues will be drowned out by the insistent demands that he “come clean.” The refusal to address these questions in a straightforward manner will simply reinforce the suspicion that he is hiding something. If the Democrats want to spend the fall dealing with he issues of his identity then they are likely to get their wish. It is simply amazing that these matters have not be cleared up by now.
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Where did the blogroll link to Texas Darlin go?
I had it removed because of a personality clash. I wish her well but don’t need the additional baggage she brings. I don’t have time for drama queens but I do respect her work. I find her too high maintenance.
huh?
is this the real Larry or are you “Snatch” the Identity-Snapping Troll?
high maintenance? you’ve not met my Daughter! lol
all kidding aside but I’ve posted over there a few times and hope I’m not NOW in trouble for adding my name over there?
(scratching my head) don’t need to know but am just shocked you’d come out with all of that here unless….
nevermind
It’s fake Larry Johnson!
I’m Larry Johnson
No.. wait I’m Spartacus
or is it.. I’m Batman
I’m sorry to hear that, but I know this sort of thing happens. I won’t ask questions to put you on the spot or ask you to defend her work on the history of Obama. I just want to know if you stand behind the AP photo because I have done a lot of separate work on my own to gain the notice of those who could make his lie on the Application to the Bar public. I have always seen that as a potential problem for him. Disbarment is not to be taken lightly and would accomplish what I would like to see happen which is the removal of his name as the Democratic nominee before Republicans have a chance to make it an issue.
Barry should have been listed as Barry Dunham on his original Birth Certificate,
unless his parents were married at the time, which he claims not to know for sure.
Yeah, an alleged lawyer and POTUS candidate never figured out if he’s a bastard?
So, his last name would have been the same as mother Stan Dunham’s.
Which means that he also didn’t add that name to his IL Bar application.
Oblowme’s BC is either a fake or he redacted where it states that it has been altered.
My suspisian is that is the big problem with the COLB. The original probably identifies Barack as Barry Dunham, his religion is Islamic, and his race is Negro, not African.
That is why the COLB document was altered.
And, The COLB may not prove Barry was born in Hawaii. Hawaii issues COLB’s after the fact, if sworn statements attesting to Hawaiian birth are provided.
It’s possible that Barry, AKA Barack, was issued a “Late” COLB.
Barry could make this whole issue disappear so easily. Unless he can’t, because it’s all true.
The burdon of proof is on Barry.
Or it lists his father as an Arab/African as I have read Kenya listed him as such.
Johnny At Work: Well presented. In the very least Obama paints with a broad brush. Anyone, especially a lawyer educated at Harvard who doesn’t have things to hide, should be able to trace where he was born, if his parents were married at the time and why he/she changed his/her name.
Shouldn’t we expect that from our president or is that just being picky?
is this really Larry Johnson? First question.
Second, it seems a bit misogynist to talk about “drama queens” and “high maintenance”.
Third,did you not see the post by SusanUnPC on ethics of NQ? That if you had a problem you would talk to the person first before printing anything?
Since much of NQ now’s posts relate directly to the discovery of information on TexasDarlin, it would seem respectful to put that blog back on the blogroll.
You have no credibility talking about ethics if it can’t be practiced here. Sorry, that comment seemed unnecessary. I hope you repair the damage you just did to yourself with this comment.
“misogynist to talk about “drama queens” and “high maintenance”.”
“drama queens” and “high maintenance” are universal terms now. I used them to refer to male subordinates, and even superiors, especially the “high maintenance” tag.
We’ve come a long way baby!
I would disagree, since TexasDarlin worked so hard on the issue of Obama’s COLB. It is, I think, sexist to call her “high maintenance” and a “drama queen.” Both were unnecessary comments.
We have no knowledge of what goes on behind these forums. What I did find surprising is that either TD did not know much of her information, had been on Atlas Shrugs months ago. I saw no credit from TD regarding that. I wonder if Pamela was just a tad unhappy about it? This is MY opinion only.
Larry, (if this is really your post) I’m genuine sorry to hear this. Both of you have make extraordinary contributions informing the public on issues that will drastically affect this country and the election. Given the enormous challenges we face and the dire consequence we can expect should we fail, wouldn’t it make more sense to put your differences aside, put the country first and remain united? Perhaps an olive branch is in order.
So…let me get this straight.
you use td’s research, link to her stories, mr. “matthew” comes out of nowhere and “borrows” td’s work while you all sort of put her down.
and she’s the problem?
texasdarlin is the star of this show, larry, sorry.
and btw, your comment is sexist. i really hope it’s not the real you.
get a grip, dude.
the evidence is overwhelming. Yet why has this not reached the MSM? Why are law enforcement agencies or the Illinois bar ignoring this, even though there has been fraud, and a crime has been committed? As usual, these people live in fear of Obama (Soetoro), as anything negative will label them as racist.
There is nothing wrong with being an Indonesian citizen, or a Muslim. What is purely wrong and evil is that Obama (Soetoro) has built his entire campaign on fraud and lies, and continues to lie about it. “I have never been a Muslim”. Who will be the first MSM to call him on this? Will it be Hannity? Why do we have to rely on heroic bloggers, when the MSM ignores the truth? Look what happenned to the Edwards story; the MSm sat on it for ages, until the National enquirer launched it.
I cry for the return to good objective journalism. So what say you journalists……is this why you became journalists? To become the puppet of a candidate? are you proud of yourselves?
the evidence is overwhelming. Yet why has this not reached the MSM? Why are law enforcement agencies or the Illinois bar ignoring this, even though there has been fraud, and a crime has been committed?\
What fraud? The “Full Former name(s)” on the ARDC registration has nothing to do with any former names one may have used prior to practicing law.
From Attorney’s Request for Name Change:
The roll of attorneys is maintained by the Clerk of the Illinois Supreme Court. A lawyer’s name on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys is the name under which the lawyer was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois or, if any name changes have been allowed by the Court, the most recent such change.
In order to change your name on the ARDC master roll, you must file a motion with Clerk of the Supreme Court to change your name on the roll of attorneys. The motion may be in the form of a formal letter. The motion should include the name under which you are listed on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys (usually, the name under which you were originally admitted) and the name you would like to use. If your name change results from a marriage, attach a copy of your marriage license. If your name change results from a dissolution of marriage, attach a copy of the dissolution judgment. While neither copy needs to be certified, it must be a copy of a certified copy. No fee is required.
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Se, this is, IMO, the issue to concentrate on and that is what I have been doing. It is my understanding he has allowed his licence at the Bar to expire and they have no reason to bring the question to light unless he asked to renew. In that case, they would be faced with a decision about information they should by now know exists. I have been trying to get a response from them and make an Ethics complaint and I understand there is a group in Il doing the same. Out of the many emails I have sent, the one from the IL. Bar Association is the only one where I have received an answer and I’m hopeful. It is a felony to knowingly lie on that application. He could possibly argue a faulty memory since he was a child, but that begs the question, when and if he legally changed his name. Citizenship is not a consideration in that case. It’s the LIE and cover up as always seems to be the case with politicians.
Are you paying attention at all?
The lie is the “evidence” given over at TexasDarlin that Obama had lied to the Illinois Supreme Court.
On the form shown in the graphic? Where it says “Full Former name(s)”? That has absolutely NOTHING to do with any names one used prior to practicing law and registering with ARDC. It ONLY has to do with any former names used SINCE having registered with ARDC.
You follow now? In other words, it’s a red herring. Others made false assumptions as to what it meant.
se
It’s quite obvious that you’re not paying attention. There’ an uncertified COLB on soeBOBO’s fight the smears site and there’s a authenticated photo of seoBOBO’s registration in school with a different name then he is using now. As it stands, we don’t know what seoBOBO’s legal name is.
Oh come on. That is patently false. It has a place for formed names but does not state that is it limited to the just the time since being registered.
If I were to ask you your name, se, I would expect you to give me your name, not just the one you happen to be trolling under today.
Oh come on. That is patently false. It has a place for formed names but does not state that is it limited to the just the time since being registered.
Did you bother to read the ARDC link I provided?
A lawyer’s name on the Clerk’s roll of attorneys is the name under which the lawyer was admitted to the practice of law in Illinois or, if any name changes have been allowed by the Court, the most recent such change.
So, the name that gets put on the roll is the name under which you were admitted to the Bar. There would only be a former name listed if you had subsequently changed your name on the roll by filing a motion with the Clerk of the Supreme Court to do so.
This is evident in the following sentence:
In order to change your name on the ARDC master roll, you must file a motion with Clerk of the Supreme Court to change your name on the roll of attorneys.
So it should be pretty obvious to anyone who actually bothered to read any of this and has at least a modicum of English comprehension skills that the “Full Former name(s)” field is for those who had changed the name on the ARDC roll.
se
We’ll see if a case is made against him. I’m no attorney but then, neither are you. So we’re at an impasse here.
We’ll see if a case is made against him. I’m no attorney but then, neither are you.
Well, as far as the ARDC registration is concerned, which is what has been used by some to claim that Obama has committed a fraud and a crime, I don’t see that you need to be an attorney. You just need to be able to read and comprehend simple English.
se
Oh, and have a little gumption to at least look a little further than what’s been spoon fed to you.
se
Bullshit. The issue has to do with the application for admittance to the bar, not name changes after the fact.
The crap se is spewing in an attempt to divert attention - in true troll fashion -
is a different subject having to do with an attorney’s registered name.
Attorneys aren’t allowed to file pleadings using fictitious names, which is a completely different problem he may have had.
Although it remains to be proven that Oblowme actually practiced law or was properly licensed to do so.
Bullshit. The issue has to do with the application for admittance to the bar, not name changes after the fact.
Again, what’s shown here on TexasDarlin is NOT his application for admittance to the Bar, nor does it have anything to do with his application for admittance to the Bar.
That is just a list of attorneys who have ALREADY BEEN ADMITTED TO THE BAR.
se
ferde, shut up!
What’s up with that?
I am afraid you are the one not paying attention. The question, Have you ever used or been known by a different name is quite clear. Obama and his sister have both suggested he used the name, Barry, as a nick name. If so, it should have been noted on the Bar appl. Period. Anything else is a lie. The Bar Association of IL will make a determination and if it is in his favor, no problem. Why would you believe a lawyer would be permitted to practice before the Bar unless every name the applicant has ever used is not listed? There was a suit filed last month and it hasn’t been dismissed, however, it will take some time. The GE may have already begun and the damage to the Party and country is unknown, but I believe it would be huge. It would be better for everyone involved if he supplied the information NOW.
I am afraid you are the one not paying attention. The question, Have you ever used or been known by a different name is quite clear.
Again, it is you who are not paying attention.
The “Have you ever been known by any other first, middle or last name?” is from question 2A on the Character And fitness Questionnaire for registering for admission to the Bar, which is handled by the Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar.
The “Full Former name(s)” is from the master roll of the Attorney Registration & disciplinary Commission (ARDC), which is a list of all the attorneys who have been admitted to the Bar.
In other words, question 2A has NOTHING to do with “Full Former name(s).” They’re two different things from two different forms from two different entities.
However some Bozo conflated the two and has tried to pass them off as being one and the same. They’re not.
se
se your reaching and falling flat.
Former names are used for criminal background checks.
Identification of alias is necessary for representatives of the courts.
se your reaching and falling flat.
Former names are used for criminal background checks.
Identification of alias is necessary for representatives of the courts.
Except that is NOT what the “Full Former name(s)” is for on the ARDC registration. It’s for name changes made subsequent to the name you used when you were admitted to the Bar.
se
Like you said you’re no attorney and you also have a reading comprehension problem.
I’ll give you one Obot point for wasting your Saturday night trying to agitate on a website that is less than favorable for Obama.
You can go turn your point in for some more kool-aid.
You inane argument makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of you employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
You inane argument makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
Your inane argument, se, makes one think that you se hasn’t had to fill out anything more important than a app at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
Your inane argument, se, makes one think that you haven’t had to fill out anything more important than an application at Burger King.
Obviously you’ve never needed to be fingerprinted or have a background check because of the nature of your employment.
But hey, don’t let that stop you from being a jerk. You’re quite good at being a jerk.
So, if BO never had his name officially changed to Bo, and he is legally Barry S then it would seem to me that he has committed fraud on his application. He would have to prove when he changed it to BO. Otherwise he should not be practicing law.
Great job Elise!
Man, you guys just won’t let this go.
Well Kelvin can you answer the questions? Don’t you think a potential POTUS should be an open and honest candidate? Weren’t you appalled at the lack of experience Bush had?
If not you’re a hypocrit. so go a way and drink more koolaid
Ask McCain the same questions. Oh wait, McCain didn’t defeat your precious Hillary. As for Bush, he was simply an idiot and a pawn for Big Oil. Obama could run this nation better than Bush with his eyes closed.
Yo Kelvinie:
Yo man BO he like Bush loves big Oil and loves the Bush/Cheney energy bill!!
Loves em I tell you — loves em.
Your discipleship of the one is admirable but terribly misguided.
Stop the hate!
WellI’m not a republican, am now an Independent use to be a Democrat until Obama successfully through most of us under the bus and Obama can’t run anything. He just takes up space. You obviously do no research about his days in Illinois and just kiss O-hole ass. Sad.
The DNC committed fraud in many of the caucuses. Yeah you must have great pride cause you obviously have no honorable principles. Just like all the bots and Obama…SUCKER!
I guess if you feel that winning the democratic nomination is throwing you under the bus, all I can say is watch out for the tires.
Are they flat because Obama has not been inflating them? Nothing surprises me about that bigot.
What! The tires are flat? There goes the Obama Energy Plan.
Maybe it’s because we’ve already seen his birth certificate and not a bad forgery that the obama campaign used from obama’s sister, maya.
You have got to be kidding!!!
tell you what, why don’t you write to the good senator and beg him to end this once and for all by producing a real bc? Transparency applies to him too you know. If he thinks the GOP won’t come hard with this in October for fear of being called racists, then you are in for a rude awakening.
Why is the birth certificate so important to you people? Not one white presidential candidate gets repeatedly asked to produce any kind of proof of his birth or citizenship. Yet Obama had to lay out birth certificates, DNA, fingerprints and all types of crap to prove he’s who he says he is. You insult the man’s wife for no reason. All because he defeated you precious Hillary. Take off the tin-foil hat and get with the real world. No one conspired to steal the election from Hillary. Obama won and he won by the rules. Get over it.
Yo Kelvinie:
One questions for ya man.
Is McCain white?
Did you not hear about the Brewhaha over his eligibility to be President because he was born in Panama.
You need to drop the “White” thang since you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.
Stop the hate, Hater!
No. Please fill me in. Also, I have no reasons to hate any of you. My candidate won, remember?
Won what, exactly? He is not the nominee, yet.
Yo slow Kelvinie:
Not one white presidential candidate gets repeatedly asked to produce any kind of proof of his birth or citizenship.
You the one who said not ONE WHITE Presidential condidate. What more do YOU need to know?
Stop the hate!
Sounds to me like Kelvin is a racist. Walks like a bot, posts like a bot, etc.
He just ain’t figured it out yet. You see he’s kinda slow.
Stop the hate:-)
Ferd:
Psst, maybe, Kelvinie thinks McCain is Hispanic.
I don’t know what’s wrong with him/her/it.
Stop the hate:-)
Teehee. You may have something there.
I’m not a racist. But why must Obama’s patriotism, religion and citizenship be questioned when no candidate before him hasn’t? Would any of the other men that ran against Hillary been subjected to this very same srutiny if they defeated her in the same manner? Please explain.
Weenie:
Whatcha talkin’ bout Willis, you ain’t no racist?
You frontin’ now, right!
No other candidate would face such scrutiny– yo smokin to much of that weed, man. Put it down for awhile and pay attention.
Nuff splaining for you!
Stop the hate!
Were you alive in the 90s, buster? HRC has been vetted more than any candidate in history. She was investigated, probed, questioned, and more. They found zero (0) on her. She is clean as a whistle.
Your Anointed One needs to pony up the documents.
If your not a racist why are you for Obama?
See if you can cite three (I used to ask for five but that’s too hard for Obots to come up with - hell, they can’t even come up with three) verifiable reasons where Obama has done anything to inprove the tax situation, the economic situation, and the energy situation as a senator.
Until you Obots can come up with anything besides race as reasons to vote for Obama, your just racist.
Good luck…tick, tock, tick, tock…
Has any other man sat in a racist anti-American church for 20 years, sought out and befriended a terrorist to get him started in politics, or stated that wearing a flag pin was false patriotism and that is why he refused to wear one (and why did he lie again and start wearing one?)?
Hey stupid bot -
You write “I’m not a racist…. BUT”
The use of “but” is significant — you are admitting that YOU are indeed a racist.
caught, nailed and admitted you are a racist.
Oh by the way — Go to hell you racist bot.
PUMA
Have you taken leave of your mind?
why must Obama’s patriotism, religion and citizenship be questioned
AHhh ummm cause he is running for the office of POTUS.
Yikes! Lets see,
Patriotism; he does not observe the law when required to place his hand over his heart for the pledge of allegiance.
Hangs out with people who have blown things up and where responsible for the death of innocent human beings.
Religion; “god damn Amerikkka” for twenty years.
Insults Islam be denying he was of that faith, not an honest man.
Professes to believe that “Not words but deeds” are what one is to be judged by.
Why did he ignore people in the 313 freezing? He KNEW the people in Rezko’s building were living in squalor and with heat.
He defended Rezko in court and got him off with a 200 dollar fine while people he swore an oath to protect went cold.
Citizenship; Out of ALL the DUMB things BO has done or ignored, this has to be the crowning no brainier!!
Show America your birth ORIGINAL BC. and be DONE WITH IT. Running for POTUS, that is.
This last point is the most important. BO, who according to Lawrence Tribe, is a smart person regarding the Constitution of the United States, seek to to violate his Oath to protect and the defend the Constitution from all threats? He himself needs to be forthright and transparent in his station.
He does the opposite.
Explanation for Kelvin:
Many, many people do not feel that Obama won according to the rules. In fact, since he has not yet received the necessary number of pledged delegates, many folks do not think that he has won.
Many people are very annoyed with the DNC. Many people think that BO is a lying, scheming former druggie (maybe still is a druggie, who knows). Have you read how he “won” his Illinois state senate seat? And how he took credit for other folks work while he was there.
To begin to understand just a little bit, go read the info on Dr. Lynette Long’s web site.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
McCain already provided the press with his birth certificate so, why won’t Obama??
Also, no candidate before him has given the impression of being so anti American.
Kelvin,
Why are you supporting Sen Obama?
Please be specific and provide links if you can.
Read this article and see just SOME of the MANY reasons millions of Americans DO NOT support Sen Obama.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
The NAACP should be OUTRAGED at what Sen Obama has done to his own people.
James Baldwin -in “The Fire Next Time” writes a letter to his nephew James.(Page 7 1993 edition) in an effort to provide the young African American 15 year old boy with some insight as to what he will face …AND MUST FACE…as he grows up in our society.
“This innocent country set you down in a ghetto in which, in fact, it intended that you should perish.Let me spell out precisely what I mean by that, for the heart of the matter is here, and the root of my dispute with my country.You were born where you were born and faced the future that you faced because you were black and for no other reason”.
What would the well-repected African American author James Baldwin say if he were alive today and saw what Sen Obama did to his own people in District 13 in Chicago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baldwin_%28writer%29
PLEASE EDUCATE YOUR FELLOW VOTERS.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
If he did this to district 13 while he was their legislator…what will he do to America if he becomes president???
Please-no matter who you choose to support in November- read this article first (see below):
This is one of the most accurate and concise analyses I have come across regarding Sen Obama’s voting (NOT SPEAKING) record. Actions don’t lie.
The ramifications of Sen Obama’s past legislative votes make it VERY CLEAR who Sen Obama supports and protects- and its not the average citizens/voters of our country.
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
You must have been one of the Obama thugs who stormed the caucases without credentials or allowed others in without credentials who supported Obama.
He’s one of those monitors, too. You know, the ones who come here to gather info and report back to bot HQ. They also have the cool uniforms with the beanie, propeller, chin strap, and badge.
Look, you retarded troll, this isn’t about race; it’s about his qualifications to be president. Aside from his questionable lineage, he is simply unfit to be POTUS. You, on the other hand, are unfit to post.
He’s unfit because he beat Hillary? Please explain.
He hasn’t won the nomination, yet, dipstick. And that has nothing to do with whether he fit for office. The ad populum argument you are about to use is fallacious. Dry up, 10-watter.
Yes he has. You just won’t aknowlege it because you girl lost. Sour grapes I guess.
Yo Kelvinie:
Have you seen your Messiah’s new logo?
It’s priceless.
Stop the hate!
You have stupid tattooed to your forehead.
No room he already has the O logo tattooed to his head and his head isn’t that big.
The grape harvest this year is a really good quality of grapes but the yield is down by 15%, out here in wine country.
It will anything but sour.
Now Centigrade is talking a beatings…UG!
Misogynist to boot.
He’s an absolute zero on any scale.
Dumbass, your only reason to vote for Obama is because he is black — credentials, character, and integrity mean nothing to racists like you.
You question my integrity, yet hate Obama because he defeated Hillary by the rules? And because of that hate, you believe any unsubstatiated rumor put forth by unnamed internet bloggers who would be ridicled to no end if they ever when public with this so-called “evidence”? I really didn’t want to get into name-calling, but you sir, are a moron.
#1: He is unfit to be POTUS because he has not come clean with the electorate. There are too many questions surrounding his candidacy. We’ve all seen this picture before and it was a dog the first time around.
#2: Doesn’t matter due to #1.
Enough said.
Kelvin why don’t we just agree to disagree? You obviously think Obama is the greatest thing since sugar free Kool-Aide, we do not. We think candidates for POTUS should be fully vetted, you do not. You are never going to change your position and you aren’t going to change ours. All these “questions” you ask are as fake as Barry Soretoes. You don’t really care about what we think you are here to disrupt.
“I really didn’t want to get into name-calling, but you sir, are a moron.”
Unfortunately what you get into is racism. Everyone knows Obama has almost no experience, performed marginally at every job he has ever had, sought out and clung onto the teachings of every racist and terrorist he could find in Chicago. You try to spin every way you can to prop Obama up on some kind of hope and change scam. Your scam is over because we know who and what he is now. Anymore negativity that comes out of Obama at this point is just piling on. I am not going to vote for an incompetent radical loon like Obama just to make you feel good about a black president — the job is too important.
Where do you get off on calling me “sir”, did I ever state I was a male?
I posted an explanation for Kelvin if he can read.
Another racist for Obama — don’t forget to put “white” in bold to emphasize your racism.
McCain showed his ORIGINAL Birth Certificate to the Press about a month ago. I think he did it so he could tell the Press that he showed his, how about Obama??
Oh Kelvin — what a stupid, IGNORANT, comment from you, that speaks loudly with your race cards! what are you trying to say? Have you done your research? Do you know that McCain’s “natural born ” citizenship status was challenged, it had to go through a special resolution with the Senate, and he was also asked to produce his paper BC, and he did so, pronto, no big deal?
So, if McCain, a war hero who risked his life for this country, HAD to prove his citizenship, then WHY wouldn’t BHO have to undergo the same scrutiny? Why does BHO get special treatment? Oh wait, are you saying because he is BLACK that he should get special treatment, and doesn’t warrant scrutiny?
STOP STOP STOP WITH THE RACE CARDS!!! It is of no value anymore. Your Obama has used it so much, he has destryoed the definition of racism. And it is truly sad, because now people will ignore when there are true cases of racism. BLAME YOUR OBAMA FOR THAT.
Name one POTUS that wasn’t white. Name one democrat that challenged McCain’s citizenship. McCain’s status was challenged by the same Republican smear machine that he sold his soul to in order to defeat Obama. It won’t work, but that’s another story. Obama was born on American soil to an American woman. If you can’t understand that, there is truly no hope for you.
Weenie:
I’ve decided! You el stupido!
I didn’t want to say it but man you need some serious reading comprehension skills.
Now I know why we have to have different reading groups in school.
Stop the hate and open your eyes.
“Name one POTUS that wasn’t white.”
Instead of trying to knock white people try thanking them for a change. They founded this country and made it into the greatest country of all time and did it in a short time frame. You have had the opportunity to live here — the most desired country for others around the world to live. Due to people like you who are determined to tear this country down, the best days of the US is behind us. The future does not look good.
Show some appreciation toward others instead of being a racist and constantly holding out your hand expecting others to always cater to you.
“Name one POTUS that wasn’t white”
Name one that was elected because he was white. At least they all competed fairly and did not run a campaign based on the race card.
“Obama was born on American soil to an American woman.”
_______
Kelvin….PROVE IT. Interesting, but until he produces his paper BC, this will not be resolved. You say this with such conviction, how do you know, were you there? LOL! Nope, right now, there is now more evidence that his posted BC is a fraud, that his name changed to Barry Soetoro, and that his citizenship is at least partly Indonesian…as opposed to your perspective. The burden of proof is on you, and Senator Soetoro. LOL…good luck, you pathetic fool. There is truly no hope for you.
You know, Kevin, I feel you are sincere and believe me, I know how hard it is to question someone you look up to and it’s even more difficult to see their shortcomings. I’m not mocking you. Obama’s message of hope and change may seem to you to be something new and glorious. I’ve been an activist beginning even before I could vote, which was twenty one years old then. They changed the age limit because of Vietnam. If the draft could reach out indiscriminately while you are a college student or have otherwise set your mind on future goals and set you down in a jungle where people want to kill you and you are only eighteen years old, then no one should deny your right to vote. That’s the reason voting age was changed. Some of us lived through that time and we remember. Kent State Massacre. I haven’t forgotten. Four unarmed students killed and nine wounded while protesting the war in Vietnam killed by the National Guard members who were scared and no older than the students. Protester beaten with billy clubs outside the Democratic National Convention, 1968, in Chicago as ordered by the first Mayor Daley of that city. MLK and Bobby Kennedy killed (Bobby right before our eyes). My generation may be known for the “drugs, sex and rock and roll”, but that does not do justice to the time. The war protests, civil rights marches and the beginning of the feminist movement are our legacies. They may not have accomplished all we believed or hoped for, but I do understand I do not have to vote for an African American in order to prove I am not racist. I, and others here, will not support the Democratic Party because of it’s name any more now than in 1968. I wasn’t old enough to vote in that election, but because of it I have always been serious about my voting privilege. Even when there is a resolution or admendment on the ballot, I read the little blue book sent out by the county clerk before I make up my mind. I don’t like or trust Barack Obama and I will do everything I can to expose what I know is there just as I did with Bush. Then, if he wims, I will know it is not because I am apathetic.
Elise,
Well said…
There are many good, educated, concerned people who support Sen Obama but they have not properly studied his legislative record, have not vetted him out like one would expect a presidential candidate to be vetted out. In addition, our younger , newer voters are being misled as to what criteria they should be evaluating in order to choose the next president of the USA. Check his actions, his decisions, his choices and the ramification of all of these criteria. DO NOT evaluate his words. His words are ephemeral- their meaning changes from one day to the next depending upon who his audience is on that day.
Do not be disillusioned with what you discover about him along the way. If you are angry- channel your anger properly. Get more involved in government and politics. Stay well-informed.Learn how to analyse information and the sources of this information. QUESTION EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE and be willing to fight the good fight. Our country is worth it.
Amen to that athy.
that is bullshit, I’m calling you out on the race card. Every candidate has to submit this stuff and McCain–a white guy–had to do it more than once.
so shut your pie hole and your mouth, they are spewing the same thing.
Don’t you think Obama is getting a pass because he’s black? he doesn’t have to prove himself like everyone else does? that is why he makes the poster child for affirmative action. He has done NOTHING to earn the trust of the American people.
Oh look. The Race Card. We haven’t seen that around here in at least twenty minutes.
kevin, i am now convinced you are stupid as your posts. why the bruahaha about the bc? dang, fella you are really dumb.
Actually Kelvin you need to do some research. McCain was asked and he gave permission for his BC to be aquired by congress.
Are you scared that The One might have misled you? The way you are acting makes it seem like you are trying your hardest to convince yourself that BO did not mislead and use you. Get used to it! This is what it will be like and when he is done with you he will dump you under the bus and never think of you again.
Kelvin - do you think the POTUS should have dual citizenship and loyalties to other nations?
Where is your proof that he has dual citizenship? Obama’s a federal employee. If he had dual citizensip, the State Dept would have documentation of it. I have a hard time believing anything some blogger posted on a website.
The State Department under this administration is about as competent as you. They haven’t found out about him because they apparently haven’t looked.
Besides, his documents, as well as his “history”, is pure fiction.
Duh, the State Dept is under Republican influence. If Obama had any kind of citizenship issues that would hurt him in the GE, wouldn’t Bush help his mini-me McCain buy sending him that information? I mean, this current administration has not exactly played by the rules and since Condi is a Bush lapdog, that information would be very easy to obtain. By the way, where exactly did you obtain the evidence that Obama’s entire existance is false? Inquiring minds want to know.
Degree: riddle me this, why did your canidate lose his freakin’ mind when the passport breach was revealed? McCain and Hillary didn’t respond that way. Anna Nicole Smith’s estate wasn’t foaming at the mouth over it. What was up with your guy? Why did he send Keith O out to have an on-air conniption fit over low level data entry clerks googling famous people?
Proof please.
look it up yourself, dumbo.
Jeebus, you are one dim-bulb, Goober. The State Dept. under the Shrubbery Administration is an incompetent joke. Do you not understand the word incompetent? They haven’t investigated him because they are incompetent.
Christ, please go back into that hole from whence you crawled.
Yes, play the incompetence card. The Bush administration may not know how to lead, but the sure know how to stay in power.
Obama has just made Bush look like a genius. There is nothing that Obama has accomplished and no Obamapuke has any reason to vote for him other than vapid reasons consisting of empty hope, change, and blackness.
I didn’t say they weren’t liars of the worst sort so that they could get into office. Wow, sounds like Barky and his bid to get into office. More lies and incompetence on the way, thanks to Kelvin and his obamatron fellow travelers.
You are under the influence of racism and it leaks out of you like the diarrhea out of Obama’s mouth.
There’s more racism coming from you haters on this board than from me. I don’t hate Hillary at all. I would have voted for her if she won. But I can see the hate in your posts. You just can’t stand the fact that Obama beat your girl. So you concoct these wild conspiracies in a foolish attempt to discredit him. Yet none of you have the guts to take this public for fear of absoulute ridicule.
Every time you use the word racist when it isn’t appropriate, you start to change its meaning ever so subtly until it signified nothing. Your use of words is pedestrian and sophomoric. You are a baiter troll of the worst sort. Kindly find somewhere else to post.
Know this, turd. There are a lot of Democrats and former Democrats that won’t be voting for barry soetoro (nor for McCain). Having a jerk like you using lots of words but saying nothing (just like barry) isn’t going to help.
Try me.
Kelvin- good point however…
Allow me to speculate for a moment.
Maybe they have already sent this info to Sen Obama’s political opponents and his opponents are just waiting to use it AFTER the Democratic convention has taken place and they can be sure that Sen Clinton has not been selected as the democratic presidential candidate to run against Sen McCain…
Imagine what an effect this info would have on Sen Obama’s campaign …What would the DNC do then? What can they do then-especially if any information on Sen Obama is released as close as possible to election day-perhaps as an October surprise?
Many positions in the US goverment do not require you to have a background check. One of them is an appointment to congress or the presidency. What I find disgusting is that the average person working for the goverment must have a background and credit check to hold their jobs, but the supreme commander and chief does not. They probably never looked since they do not have to.
Unless it’s you or Obama, I assume. I am fairly certain you get your Obama talking points from an indirect source, such as his ridiculous website. Or does he call you at home, Ms Johannsen?
And by your own standards no ne here should believe a word you say.
Where is your proof he doesn’t?
Uhhh, he didn’t even suggest he did. But then again,you support Obama…that does increase the odds that you will believe anything as long as it favors Obama.(Just for fun, do you believe there are 57 states, too? How about Iran? Threat or not? How about this one..did his poor white mom raise him on food stamps? Oh, oh wait here’s another..did his uncle really liberate the concentration camp? Do you BELIEVE he will CHANGE the energy crisis by inflating tires? Lol, you’re a fool.
And hey, the next time one of you lemmings has an imaginary talk with the ‘one’, please ask him to give you a copy of his birth certificate along with your illogical talking points.
Answer the question Kelvin.
he can have dual citizenship and be a senator. like the terminator can be governor of CAlifornia. But to be a dual citizen for POTUS is not allowed. I know you know that you’re just playing stoopid.
Kelvin, it’s called vetting. Hello?
Kelvin is anti-vetting. For The One you can only “believe”. It is the true test of faith and measurement of a righteous Obamatron.
He was vetted once he announced he was running. You think that the DNC would have let him run if any of this crap were true?
yes.
What planet are you from? Maybe you are just from Wright’s church which does seem like another planet.
yes.
Yes
Kelvin,
Many of us are asking the same question…
WAS Sen Obama properly vetted by the DNC?
What is the procedure for vetting presidential candidates and who is responsible for doing so?
Who reviews,approves the procedure’s results?
Can’t speak for anyone else, but, no I won’t be giving up on this. My instinct tells me there is something being hidden and those who could do something are afraid to make a sound. What degree Kelvin are you? Strange name you picked there.
The MSM is waiting for his coronation to be official. Then they will turn on him so fast it will make his head spin. We will all say “I Told You So”!!!!!
On February 27th, speaking to Kristof of The New York Times, Barack Hussein Obama said the Muslim call to prayer is “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”
Frankly, if you were never a muslim, why did you learn the muslim call to prayer? for comparative religious studies as a kid? What do you think people are, stupid? Obama can’t fool us.
They didn’t want McCain to lose to Hillary so they pushed for the weaker candidate. Any fool can see that!
Yeah, that’s what happened.
Sure did. What fun it will be to hear you screech like the banshee that you are when your false idol has his ass handed to him on a platter in November.
I can’t wait.
Barry, Barrack, Smeagol or Gollum Two personalities the good and the evil. Two commanders in Chief the good and the evil, the christian and the muslim, the white and the black. the liar, deceiver and destroyer.
It’s entirely possible that this doesn’t matter to anyone because it, like, doesn’t matter.
So far, there is no “overwhelming evidence” of any crime or any particular fraud or misdirection.
Well lackey boy it matters to the 3/4 of the population of America. Just because you bots don’t believe in democracy that every vote counts and are thugs, sexists and racists, you all don’t represent the real democrats. You are left radical wingnuts just like the right radical wingnut. CRAZY and cultist and HATERS!
It matters to more than OBAMA and his cult planned on.. That is why we PUMAS exist that is why in Nov the country will be PUMATIZED…
That is why to honor this farce of a party I will vote a straight Republican ticket.
Lying on your resume is not a crime. Nobody ever went to jail for it.
But, it’s just not a very good character trait for the leader of the Free World.
The liberal universities O’boy went to, like Columbia, Harvard, and taught at like Chicago, don’t give a Rat’s Crap about a tall tale on a resume. They probably like it.
But I guarantee a whopper like this would get O’boys ass drummed out of any of the Military Academies.
It is a crying shame that the only US institution that has a code that values integrity, and enforces it, is the military.
Actually those guys who have portrayed themselves as doctors and lawyers have gone to jail for lying on a resume.
Obama should go to jail for lying about being a human and for his name and his citizenship. Obama could go to jail just for blighting the earth for all I care.
Jail is the best place for Obama — he can’t do much damage from there.
Lawyers have to commit a felony to be disbarred. Lying on a resume, lying in a brief, or withholding evidence, will get a lawyer a “tut tut” sanction from the court.
A sanction. Just a word. It usually does not even come with a fine or wrist slap.
The medical boards are worse. Doctors can kill in multiple states and still somehow get licenses to practice.
Johnny, it is a felony to lie on an application to practice before the Bar.
Johnny, that’s exactly right.
Johnny At Work said “It is a crying shame that the only US institution that has a code that values integrity, and enforces it, is the military.”
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Johnny Ole Boy, don’t think you can use that example. Just ask General Antonio Taguba about the value of integrity and where it gets you.
“It’s entirely possible that this doesn’t matter to anyone because it, like, doesn’t matter.”
I am glad you cleared that up, thanks for putting your crack down long enough to enlighten us.
His stand on immigration, might be important in an up close and personal way; Wouldn’t you want citizenship information on any candidate?
Sorry, RunningDog, it’s important not just for this election but for the future.
There isn’t? How do you know, runningmouth? Are you listening to those voices in your head again?
and there’s that uncertified COLB that soeBOBO has displayed in his fight the smears site.
YES! These are my questions also.
With the “True Identity” law passed by Congress — you now how to prove who you are and prove you are a citizen.
Women have been especially hard hit by this stupid law — because due to custom — women change their names.
Apparently Barry Soetoro has been given a pass — or he’s figured a way around proving who he is.
If asked he scream — that’s racist.
NO — it is the law.
Rain, I know, it isn’t that I want to fight like this all the time, but really equal protection under the law, is just how it is. This has nothing to do with anything other than a standard, all people who call themselves citizens have to adhere to. And how anyone can possibly continue to abuse the word racist as a defense is clearly having a problem with looking at this point of view, from even their own perspective. Loss of the self is not worth a vote for anyone. Even as angry as many of the o supporters are, I would still defend for them equal protection under the law, but what I see is this is no longer a two way street, and that is the part that scares me the most.
He lied and it is a matter of character association and judgement. He has set forth an agenda to hide the truth from the public and with so little experience all we have to decide on is his upbringing and his associates. He has failed in both. He is now no longer trustworthy to the public. I will vote for McCain unless a miracle happens and HRC makes it. NO OBAMA!
http://www.hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com
What did he lie about? Please explain.
You are one obtuse troll. Omission is a form of lying and he’s omitted a whole lot of stuff.
You guys keep saying that he is a liar yet have not produced any credible evidence back it up. Yet I’m supposed to be obtuse?
He has not produced his documentation concerning who he is. That is an omission and a form of lying.
You are an obamatron, a kind of troll but more programmed than than the garden variety.
Kelvin,
Just want to try and talk here for a minute. When you get a job you have to show I.D. right?
When you get loan or anything, you have to prove who you are. Not arguing with you right now, just trying to engage, for real. So if this is required of us, the citizens, our candidates are citizens as well, and they are getting hired for a job; McCain has already had to go through this. Every woman who marries has to go through this, even if she wants to keep her maiden name.
I simply want Obama to do what all of us have to do.
Please, imagine yourself hiring someone, who has given you a different name, you are their employer and you have to have documentation correct for hiring, tax purposes, SS, or you will have a big problem to deal with. No one is exempt, no one is special, all Americans are expected and required to process identity information with 100% transparency.
You are a lot of things, none of which are good.
Kelvin, there is sufficient evidence he lied on his Application to the State Bar of IL and that is a good place to begin to find out who he is. The AP photo which proved he has used a different name and his answer on the Bar application that he had never used another name, is enough to convict him of a felony charge. He used the name “Barry” at least for a while when he attended school in Hawaii, by his own admission. Do you honestly believe exceptions should be made for him? If yes, then why? Here’s a possible explanation: He appeared twice on Meet the Press before announcing his campaign and was asked both times by Russert if he would be considering a run for the presidency and both times, his answer was an unequivocal, NO. I believe he answered truthfully because he understood there would be problems. Suppose he was then approached by members of the DNC on a candidacy and they pushed him for their own reasons or agenda. That is a powerful temptation. Perhaps he convinced himself he would in some way be able to cover up his past and become president, still not confiding in anyone of his background or his lie on the Bar app. He allows his licence to expire in that organization to avoid any new questions? So, for me, it is not a question of what his religion is or was or what other citizenship he holds/held, but his LIE and what else it could imply about his character and inconsistencies. He has lied about other things during the past few months and those lies have been painted over by the media and his campaign. And further, the lies I am referring to have nothing to do with his background per se, but his qualifications to be president.
Here is a sight to go to read about “Taqiyah”. It is very chilling and it fits Obama.
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
That is exactly what he does. Wow, great find. Long ago I saw a documentary on how foreign diplomats have to know about this tactic when dealing with Muslim nations. It is a part of their culture and so alien to other cultures we cannot easily realize it is common practice.
I don’t know how old you are but you may want to consider repeating the 1st grade and completely starting your education over. You may want to take Obama with you since Indonesian schools claim Obama was good at math and somehow he has counted 57 states with another one lurking out there. Obama can always blame his shortcomings on Indonesian math.
Let’s see,
His church for one and his relationship with Rev Wright.
That he voted against the Iraq war. (Just last night) He was not there to vote.
His grandfather or whoever it was maybe uncle liberating Auschwitz
Said he was counting our territories when he said we had 57 states.
Or are you just going to tell us he was misunderstood or taken out of context. I am sure there are many more… anyone want to add to the list?
Goodness what does it take for a mediawhore to ask a simple question? Oh I forget these are the same mediawhores that was fasinated on Clinton’s cock all those years and nothing else matters.
Just by having read all that has been written about this BC it would seem someone would just ask the two questions posed by Matthew.
1. When did you change your name legally to Barack Obama? Why?
2. When did you renounce your Indonesian citizenship that came to you by virtue of your adoption by Lolo Soetoro?
And it is a shame all we have to go against McCain is this “idea” of obama. Shameful.
Can any blow up the medallion BO is seen wearing in this clip? It is the second photo I have seen with him wearing it…
Wonder what it is.
Mr.Johnson, From what I have read, Does not Indonesian law require thier citizens to “check in” every few years to maintain citizenship?
I am also very curious what passport was used to enter Pakistan. If BO was using an Indonesian one to enter Pakistan… does that not complicate his status for running for POTUS?
Thanks.
Larry, Let me see if I got this straight? Mr. Obama is actually Barry Soetoro? His mother’s name is Stanley Ann Dunham? Why did they call her a boy’s name? Can’t remember where but I read that her dad or both parents wanted a son, therefore Stanley? Does anyone have info on this? I also read-that as she grew-up, she hated her parents and turned on them? This explains her behavior. Hooking up with an African in 1961. Which at that time was a big NO, No! So she had her baby(?) and immediately hooked up with another Muslim, Lol, who adopted Barry. No wonder, Rev Manning said Stanley was a w….ng around! After several years in Indoesnia she returned to Hawaii and dumped poor Barry on grandparents. So Barry Soetoro was abandoned by both parents. No wonder this guy is confused and psychologically damaged. This explains his errantic behavior!
Steve1
Read this article.
I think it may help you to answer your questions-and-it may cause you to formulate even more questions about things that dont make sense…
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-2,00.html
Can someone please answer this question: Does Obama state that he was adopted and had a legal name change as a result?
Was Barry legally adopted?
All biographical info I’ve seen on the web skips over any details.
This should be easy for any Obama followers: was Obama adopted? Yes or no. If so, when did Barack change his name back to Obama.
Well I see not a single Obama supporter can or will answer this question - and I know that some frequent this board.
Seems they know as little about Barry as the rest of us.
J Smith
Read this article which discusses when/why Barry became Barack
http://www.newsweek.com/id/128633/page/1
“When Barry Became Barack” by Richard Wolffe, Jessica Ramirez and Jeffrey Bartholet
NEWSWEEK 3/31/08 Issue
J Smith, that really is a good point, I have thought maybe, his grandparents in order to have legal custody of him when he moved back to the U.S. without his mother or stepfather(by then I guess they were divorced?) In order for him to be enrolled or receive medical treatment, as a minor someone would have to sign for him, usually there is a custody order of some sort to provide for this; even with maternal grandparents.
He could have been adopted by Sortero, then in order to return to the U.S.(without his mother) custody could have been granted to his Grandparents.
Obama was a child and a legal adoption would have resulted in a legal name change. Happens all the time.
Why Obama won’t acknowledge that? I don’t know.
It’s kinda like he won’t acknowledge that his mother was white, his father was Kenyan, his grandparents had money, and he has no ties to the history of slavery in this country.
He also has no historical ties to the civil rights movement. He was born before the March on Selma which he claims resulted in his parents meeting and his birth.
Yet his followers have threatened those who did fight for civil rights for African Americans while invoking MLK.
I wonder who the real racists are.
Oh yeah, let’s not forget cousin Odinga. Who managed to incite his followers to the point that many innocent people were killed.
These were also black people. Not a peep of protest from Obama.
If Barry comes clean, there won’t be anything left.
He’s a dirty Chicago politician ramped up for the national stage. Lie follows lie, fiction after fiction. There is nothing to him but the BS. start scrubbing, and only the suit will remain.
Hillary’s team has questions about Obama’s Muslim background
http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/Obama_2.htm
What impact? Hard to say, since most voters, except for those last minute shoppers, are already in one camp or the other.
The GOP is going to be aided and abetted by LARGE numbers of dems this year!
For any major party to get themselves in such a fix is outrageous! They will be the laughing stock of the world if their guy flops!!!
The MSM and this video clip poo poo the fact that Barry was registered as both Indonesian, and Islamic. They claim it’s no big deal, it was just routine because Barry’s step dad was Indonesian, and Islamic.
But, it was Barry’s Mother, who registered Barry in these schools. The Religion, and Nationality information came from Barry’s mother, not his father.
Since it was a Catholic School, there was no reason to hide Barry’s religion. If he was Christian, his mother could have easily registered him that way. Other kids in that school were obviously registered as Christian and Catholic.
Barry’s mother decided her Barry boy would be Islamic, and an Indonesian.
Both Barry’s biological dad, and stepdad were Islamic. Barry’s Mother registered Barry as Islamic. So, it is a bit of a stretch for Barry to say he was never Islamic.
Keep the Change, I don’t buy it.
Exactly.
Why was Obama registered as a Muslim in a Catholic school in Indonesia?
Why didn’t his mom registered him as a Christian? W
hy did he follow his Indonesian stepdad to the mosque instead of his mom to her church?
It was the intention of his mum and his step-dad that Obama as a child should be muslim and be adopted by his Indonesian stepdad.
Why is Obama hiding the fact that he was a muslim as a kid in Indonesia?
Because, in the words of his spiritual mentor and later father figure, Rev Jeremiah “GD AmeriKKKa” Wright, Obama is a typical politician. He says and do what a politician do. Because Barry realizes that having a Muslim past is not feasible to his presidential prospects.
I don’t think Obama is a typical politician, he is in a league of his own. I have never seen a politician tell this many lies and pander to this extent and Obama is only getting started. We are in huge trouble if people in this country are dumb enough to elect him.
To “Obama is a bum
Sen Obama is not in a league of his own-he just may be the person in this league that has risen to such a high level of national exposure that we -only now- are beginning to understand how some ’school of Alinsky-trained’ activists operate.
I have no issue with the Alinsky method. I have serious issue with the content of the character of the person practicing the “Alinsky method of community organizing.”
Power is most dangerous when it is held by the charismatic and well trained and well educated who may have no personal integrity or strength of character.
There are many people of high integrity and good character who adhere to the Alinsky method -more power to them…however how do you handle someone who has nopersonal integrity or values…or may have had when he/she first started out but ‘lost it’ somewhere along the way?
Read these 3 articles- also read the bloggers comments -esp. on WindyCity website-read my comments (athy). Come to your own conclusion…
http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=10
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1497.html
I would describe the Alinsky style ( as practiced by Sen Obama and his campaign team and some of his policy advisors )as a cross between the following: Machiavelli’s “The Prince”, and Sun Tzu’s “The Art of War”
Arguably, one could infer that Hitler, Saddam Hussein and other global notables may have practiced similar methods (ALinsky- style) to meet their political, financial, religious objectives
Ok, if Barry Soetoro never changed his name? When he filed any and all legal dicuments for secondary education, financial grants running for Ill. State senate, did he break the law? Using phony info to attain Federal monies or running for state or federal positions?
If he didn’t list all names, on the application for his license to practice law is one example, drivers license always asks what names and aliases are you known by, same with student loans and even a marriage license, a male has to also list previous names.
Kevin: It’s very important. I don’t care if Senator Obama is a Muslim. That doesn’t matter. What does matter is that our Constitution of the United States demands that the President be a citizen of the USA, and not to have been a citizen of another country. Why? Take a look at today’s world. What if we had a one-time citizen of Russia as leader of our nation? Definitely, there would be a conflict of interest. And, decisions by that person could be against our better well-being.
No person should be voted in as president if he/she has held alegence to another flag at any given time. Our fathers of this country had the intention that our Constitution and Articles can be improved, but never the intention or meaning be changed. It is our safteyvalve towards the future.
Our youth of this great nation have been pretty lucky. Patriotism is substituted with online games, video games, cell phones, and action movies. The older crowd made these things possible. Now, don’t get me wrong, these things are not perfect, however they’ve appeased a whole new generation.
We have succeeded and we have failed. We, just like growing up, have learned from our mistakes. This is important, Kevin, because if we hadn’t learned and struggled to move forward to improve… a simple thing like a cell phone would be unheard of.
Experience has much to do with leading this nation. Why? Experience comes in handy when you’re talking to someone that has much more of it. Obama has little or none. He’s substituted arrogance and oratory charms to hide his inability to grasp conflict. This is one of the reasons he avoids debates or any type of conflict.
Wouldn’t it be a perfect world if there were no conflicts? I do not want to change your mind on who to vote for, that’s private and you should follow your own views. Just please respect my choice for my views. We don’t need to belittle the candidates, however they should be well-vetted. I have heard the Obama’s before him and this is what I make my judgment on.
“I don’t care if Senator Obama is a Muslim. That doesn’t matter. What does matter is that our Constitution of the United States demands that the President be a citizen of the USA”
The problem is, it does matter that Barry was a Muslim. He had two Islamic dads, one a Kenyan, the other an Indonesian. He spent the formative years of his childhood in Indonesia where he was registered as an Islamic Indonesian.
Obama is a DeFacto foreigner.
The Founding Father’s knew that the loyalty of the President to the US Constitution was paramount to the posterity of this new democracy. Such loyalty was deemed so vital, that they included the clause
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
This is distinction is magnified by the different standard for Congressmen and Senators. A Congressman need only have been a citizen for seven years, and nine years for a Senator.
“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have been seven Years a Citizen of the United States”. And “No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States.”
Loyalty was so vital for the Executive that the founders wanted a president who was a citizen when he passed from the womb, someone who’s loyalty to the US and Constitution would never be in doubt.
Barry Soetoro is an Islamic Indonesian as documented by his mother. Barry is a DeFacto foreigner.
Barry is a “Citizen of the World” first, a US Citizen second.
A POTUS must be, as the Founders intended, a US Citizen without exception.
Kelvin must be brain dead from the IV infusion of koolaid. Of course it is a problem. He has an alias.
Acceptable if you are a spy. Also common among criminals. Not such a good thing in a presidential canidate.
Evidence please. I don’t trust information I find on internet blogs. Also, Hillary koolaid must be a bit sour since she lost.
Yo Kelveenie:
Flip flop flip flop continues:
WASHINGTON — Facing a large deficit in the Democratic National Convention budget, officials from Barack Obama’s campaign have begun personally soliciting labor unions and others for contributions of up to $1 million. In exchange, donors could get stadium skyboxes for Obama’s acceptance speech and other perks.
Obama has regularly criticized politicians seeking large donations outside the framework of campaign finance regulations — so-called soft money — while touting the virtues of relying on small donations.
Stop the hate!
The RNC does this regularly, why can’t the DNC do it as well. I guess since it’s no longer Hillary’s party, you PUMAs have an issue with it.
Common practice fallacy. You’re just full of illogic tonight.
Kelvin! Look at something…it’s a large lump in the middle of your face…..yes do you see it? It is your NOSE. It’s in front of your face.
There’s also one in the back of his pants.
Kelvin,
I tried to engage you in conversation above, so why won’t you try at least? No baiting you, I’m serious. Let me ask you this, if you go to Mexico, how do you get back into the United States? You show Id or passport, right? See how many times you have to use your name and your I.D. Your name is your identity. Obama has every right to change his name, but he has no right to hide it, that’s what this is about.
If he told you he was adopted, would you still have an issue with him?
Issues with Obama are huge. His character isssues are huge. Obama’s compulsive lying is not to be ignored by giving him 3, 4 or 5 chances to come clean so he can be forgiven. President is not a job ordinary citizens just want to hand out to anyone in order to make racists like you feel good.
I don’t care if he was adopted, I care if he can say that out loud or not. I don’t care what color he is, I don’t care what sex he is, I don’t care what age he is, or who he is married to. I don’t care what his preferences are in clothing, sex or beer. I only care, that he tells me the truth. I only care that he speaks the truth. I do not know him, personally, all I have to go on are either his records for voting, work (was he fired anything like that),I don’t have an issue with him, I have an issue with what he said and didn’t say.
What a president does and doesn’t say can be life or death; it is important that a president has the trust of the people. I do not trust any stranger, and I doubt if many people do. I have a need and a right to know when that particular stranger is in charge of sending my soldier into battle zones, that they are trustworthy, so revealing who you are, as in your personal history is expected of any candidate for president, and most public offices. These are positions of trust.
Plus, Larry, can you any info regarding Barry Soetoro’s trip to Pakistan? Why did he travel to Pakistan, when the country was under Marial Law? Who and what did he do in Pakistan during his Spring Break? WHAT? Summer vacation? Did he travel to any other countries? Wasn’t this about the time Osama had put a call out for Jihad against the Soviets? This has to be looked into.
Good grief - how trite can people be! This is so typical of repubican politics - anything, anything to divert the consideration of the real problem of how the present administration, and the yuppies from hell have sold the working middle class to corporate American, and how a Republican win would be four more of the same. There is an old saying that says “the more you stir ****; the worse it stinks!”
Barky is a wholly owned subsidiary of international big business, just like Chimpy McFlightsuit.
And you’re an obamabot, which speaks volumes about you.
Yes, and Barry’s is pretty stinky.
You still believe in the messiah. Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule worshipping Obama and studying black liberation theology. Now crawl back under your rock and don’t come back out until requested.
Did anybody hear that coward dean referred to the GOP as the “white” party ? Wow, oliar has him race-baiting for him now……disgusting !
I heard Coward dean calling the Republicans the “White” Party. Why does he need to race bait all the time?? Does that mean the DEMS are now the pParty of “Color”??? Why doesn’t he go back to N.H., he is the biggest loser I’ve ever seen hooked up with the DEMS.
WHOA,
Dean grew up in CONNETICUT. After Columbia he and Judy moved to VERMONT. They live on Lake Champlain in Burlington Vt.
Please dp not try and give Dean to NH. We do not want him!
Dean is demonstrating that he has no credibility. He is now so far in the race card house that if Obama loses, Dean is finished in politics.
that comment in itself just lost the election for the dems.
Obama is a compulsive liar and makes Nixon look like an angel. Obama has demonstrated that he will tell any lie to prevent any type of criticism.
I have a novel idea about dealing with Obama — just reject the lying SOB and don’t vote for him. Forget about the whole affirmative action presidency, it was a bad idea from the get-go and has created a huge problem for the US. We actually look like a bunch of idiots nominating a fraud like Obama.
Only the democratic party part of “we”, that is.
Oh yeah, and not his first time doing it:
blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/08/howard-dean-acc.html August 16, 2008 12:20 PM
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/07/MNdean07.TMP
Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Tuesday, June 7, 2005
Dean is a disgusting little man resorting to the race card once again. This election is all about the race card — it was from the get-go for Obama since he has nothing else.
This election will come down to whether the race card can triumph. If people have not had their fill of the race card they will be ordering big doses of it should they elect Obama. The race card will be taught in schools across US in place of math. Obama’s use of the race card has yielded him big dividends whereas his math (57 states) has not seemed to hurt him.
Prepare for the dumbing down of the US — Zimbabwe, you may have some company.
These Morons have Donna Brazile calling the shots, now they are starting to have doubts. The DEMS should have been a lock after 8 years of W, these so called leaders would screw up a free meal.
When Barack/Barry’s mom, Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro Barack/Barry was adopted and became legally known as Barry Soetoro. Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate was updated to reflect that fact sometime between 1965 and 1969.
Eh? I’ve yet to see any compelling evidence that there was any adoption. This adoption has been one of the many if’s that Judah Benjamin has built his case on.
Has someone unearthed the adoption papers? If so, where are they?
se
Great work, Goob. Sometime between 1965 and 1969, the Apollo program was underway. That’s truly revealing information.
You aren’t even an interesting troll anymore.
sometime between 1965 and 1969.
Great work, Goob. Sometime between 1965 and 1969, the Apollo program was underway. That’s truly
I didn’t ask when. I said so far no one has shown that there was any adoption. The adoption has been nothing but speculatoin on Judah Benjamin’s part. But here it’s presented as an established fact.
se
I guess we’re just speculating too and accepting falsely that Ann Dunham actually married Obama Sr and Lolo Soetoro too since no one has so far found copies of the marriage certificates.
soeBOBO doesn’t have any senate records either. We might need to ask for some tissue samples to determine if this guy has the same number of chromosomes the rest of us do.
I have yet to see any document showing that his mom married both Obama Sr. And Lolo Soetoro and divorced Obama Sr either.
I have yet to see any document showing that his mom married both Obama Sr. And Lolo Soetoro and divorced Obama Sr either.
So that somehow means there was an adoption?
se
Well for that matter we haven’t seen any documents that identify you, se, as human, american, of age, or anything else. You’re about as known to us as Obama.
So, We’ll just keep taking you with a complete grain of salt just like we do Obama.
You imply that the current absence of adoption papers means no adoption. By that logic, the current absence of marriage certificates showing that his mom married Obama Sr and Lolo Soetoro means that she didn’t marry them nor did she divorce Obama Sr.
Tony, only in that he himself has said so in his book, Dreams of My Father. According to his book, his mother married both and was divorced from both. He did not discuss adoption. That question arises due to his registration at a school in Indonesia under the name Barry Soetoro. That doesn’t necessiarily mean he was adopted by Soetoro. His mother may have been an irrisponsible parent and allowed him her husband to register him under a false name in a foreign country, but there is no doubt he has used that name in his lifetime and subsequently lied about it on his application to the Bar in IL. According to his ownstatement and that of his sister, he went under the name Barry, which they claim is a “nick name”. It doesn’t matter if it was legally his name or not. The lie is still there on the application.
Then who is Barry Soretoes? Why do his fellow students and his past teachers in Indonesia refer to him as Barry? Was that just a phase? Why does his school enrollment paperwork in Indonesia call him Barry? The adoption papers are under lock and key with all the other paperwork for Obama.
Then who is Barry Soretoes? Why do his fellow students and his past teachers in Indonesia refer to him as Barry? Was that just a phase? Why does his school enrollment paperwork in Indonesia call him Barry?
Beats me. But none of it proves there was an adoption.
se
You don’t find it odd though? Is this something you would deem important? Why can Obama not answer these questions? Like many people have posted many many many times, this would be so easy to explain or disprove. Why wont Obama prove it’s untrue? Why wont Obama show his real BC? By leaving all these loopholes in his story he is inviting people to fill the holes any way they can. If the truth isn’t damning why not put an end to the speculation?
I couldn’t make out all those words through the carpet, Donna, sorry . . .
hmmm…this bot/person only goes by a number. I guess that’ll be the future in Obamaland. Weird, but sadly, not that surprising.
“Eh?”
You seem to be learning the Obama language. Now can you learn it in Spanish like your messiah told you?
You seem to be learning the Obama language. Now can you learn it in Spanish like your messiah told you?
Que?
se
Good enough for Obama standards. Now get up on stage, repeat it 100 times, call it a speech, and you can take Obama’s place while he takes a nap or plays basketball. See how easy it is to replace Obama.
LMAO! If you can’t get a straight answer out of the trained obamabots, kill them with derision. Love it.
Seeee:
Que usted no entiende?
Stop the hate!
Yes Ms. Stanley Steamer - we must ’stop the hate’ also known as ‘the truth’.
Truth is a lie; a lie is the truth; you are a obamatron; an obamatron is you.
Bit by bit the information about his fraudulent BC posted online and thuggery tactics (dkos) are being exposed nationally on FOX NEWS, see video below…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LtCiXDBak
Thanks PaulFVillarreal for posting this on Youtube.
Bit by bit the information about his fraudulent BC posted online and thuggery tactics (dkos) are being exposed nationally on FOX NEWS, see video below…
Lotta good that does. The star witness, Techdude, is in hiding.
se
The point is he will be attacked this fall relentlessly by the RNC and supporters of McCain to show his REAL BC and other primary documents.
This is just the beginning… stay tuned.
The point is he will be attacked this fall relentlessly by the RNC and supporters of McCain to show his REAL BC and other primary documents
Then so be it. And if that happens, then at least it will actually be a problem instead of the “genuine faux” problem people are trying to make it out be now.
se
but it does go to show you - the RNC and their operatives were WAY AHEAD of BS (Barry Soetoro) on his foreign connections. There was even an Inside Edition program, already researched, edited, and scheduled to air.
They did the vetting that no one else would allow on the Dem side. And if you think Bill Clinton’s closing remarks about ‘constitutional eligibility’ was just a random thought dropped for effect - think again.
There is no point in the RNC tipping its hand now, in August, before the Barry Bump from the Convention.
Outspent 3 or 4 to 1 - Obama cannot manufacture, invent, halographize (word?), smoke-screen, or fog paint a lead of more than 4 pts. And if you recall that Barry overpolled in almost every single state he ran in, not winning by the margin they thought or losing bigger than they had anticipated, he is running behind. Without one single RED 527. Without one single hard ad.
Just imagine what is coming his way. If we bloggers can find these things out, just imagine what is coming.
“thuggery tactics”
What do you expect from the Hip Hop Culture? When that does not work they will be setting cars ablaze, smashing windows and looting stores.
When do the drive by shootings start? The hip hop ghetto boys invented that tactic and romanticize it in their rap crap.
Guess who will make up O’boy’s “Civilian Security Force”.
Dean is just as loud, obnoxious, and racist as Father Pfleger.
Obama has a way of drawing all of the racists toward him.
I guess it wouldn’t be PC to mention black holes…
Yeah–it’s kind screwed up astrophysics, too. They’re going to have to start calling them really off-white holes since whites don’t care either way.
OT,
Savage Politics posted an article on these school records yesterday. It was submitted to RealClear Politics’ Reader Articles Section and initially posted, then pulled. Reposted with different title, pulled.
Maybe ya’ll could help us contact RCP and show some displeasure at the censorship?
Here is a list of links provided by SP’s poster Lab, thanks!
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I just looked at Readers Articles at RCP and saw about 3 stories about Obama school records, go look again, just click on “Readers Articles” and then scroll down
Yes, we are back up now, but with an incorrect name: Obama’s Return vs the title sent Soetoro’s return. Please vote us up, and email if you could, thx so much!
Isn’t RCP based in Chicago? Not so sure emailing them will do any good.
Sad but true if they are located there. But with great sites like NQ and Savage Politics, we are NOT BACKING DOWN, not stepping off, and not shutting up.
We intend to continue not conforming to the will of this Convention and this candy ankle candidate. We don’t care if the bots waste their time trying to insult us to get us to vote Soetoro - we won’t give. I have never before in my life voted for a Republican, but I just don’t see any other way to show the Dems just how furious I am and just how much I do not want to go where they intend to take me. In fact, sadly, after 25 years of solid, 100% Dem voting, I have left the Party and become an Indie.
I know there are many here that will not be able to side with McCain, and I can understand your stances. At least you are making one. Even not voting at all, though it doesn’t help ensure a NoSoetoro victory, it does make it harder for him.
I can respect McCain while disagreeing with him on issues. I cannot respect a man that can’t even admit to his name, his real racial makeup, or his belief system.
Thanks NQ for continuing to fight the good fight. You are a solid site to rely on in this depressing age. If Real Clear Politics has really bitten the dust of this Magician On A Mission - what a shame. But we won’t give in now, will we?
The junior Senator from Illinois could put this entire matter to rest by simply releasing a certified (raised-seal) copy of his COLB. I know that the obamatrons here will say that asking for this is racist and that he doesn’t have to because it is racist to ask for it (their circular reasoning, not mine). Nevertheless, if he produces one, the problem goes away.
Exactly what is wrong with this request? Is there something he is hiding?
The junior Senator from Illinois could put this entire matter to rest by simply releasing a certified (raised-seal) copy of his COLB. I know that the obamatrons here will say that asking for this is racist and that he doesn’t have to because it is racist to ask for it (their circular reasoning, not mine). Nevertheless, if he produces one, the problem goes away.
What problem? Far as I can see, there isn’t any problem. The only people asking to see it are those who never had any intention of voting for him in the first place. And it’s not even on anyone else’s radar. So where exactly is the problem?
se
I worried about all the dead people who may vote for him (dead people don’t care about birth certificates for obvious reasons) in which case if enough dead people and bots who happen to stumble out of bed and find their car keys vote and obama (gasp) wins…..well, I for one who is not voting for him want to know if the person with their finger tapping right by the button is a legitimate citizen of the USA.
Imust:
I believe Seee is one of those dead people:-)
Buried his head and the sand for so long he stopped breathing.
The One lacked the same skills as Jesus and couldn’t bring em back from the dead.
But the One still wanted his vote.
Stop the hate:-)
Quick Donna throw salt over your left shoulder! Do it now! You just said…I’ll whisper..shh.. the one lacked the same skills as Jesus…Blasphamy! You must never say such things about The One! Did you throw the salt? [whew]
Imust:
Forgive me the “One” for I have sinned. I said three Obama prayers for penance and I ask forgiveness.
Thanks Imust for caring about me.
Stop the hate!
The fallacy of begging the question rears its little head again. For shame, se, I thought you were more than just an interesting troll. I stand corrected.
It doesn’t matter who is asking for it, now does it? If he wants to put this matter to rest, all he has to do is release the documents.
Who is asking for them has no relevancy at all and you know it.
Stay on topic.
Who is asking for them has no relevancy at all and you know it.
Who is asking for it is indeed relevant with respect to it being a “problem” (your word) for Obama.
If the only people asking for it are those who never had any intent to vote for him to begin with, then his not answering them changes nothing. He still ends up with the same number of people who never had any intent to vote for him. Ergo, no problem.
se
Unless soeBOBO can’t produce…and then he’s got a longer list of people who don’t intend to vote for him. Motive is a wonderful thing isn’t it?
Ok se, I don’t want to argue, so I’ll ask you the same thing I asked before, if every citizen in our country is required to provide this information, what harm is there asking for our candidates to do the same? I am not looking at this as a voting issue, I’m looking at this as a citizen issue. There is no harm when we are all required to do this very thing. That is all there is to it. You wouldn’t like it if Republicans could get a driver’s license without taking the drivers test would you?
Ok se, I don’t want to argue, so I’ll ask you the same thing I asked before, if every citizen in our country is required to provide this information, what harm is there asking for our candidates to do the same?
I never said there was any harm in people asking.
se
Ad populum abusive argument, se.
Let me type really slowly so you can understand: It doesn’t matter who is asking if the question needs to be answered–and it does need to be answered. Look up the Patriot Act–you’ll find all sorts of references to proof of citizenship.
And let me type even slower so you can understand.
You’re changing the subject.
You said Obama’s not answering the questions asked by those who never had any intention to vote for him is a “problem” for Obama.
And by “problem” I assume you mean in the context of his chances of being elected.
So to that end I say it is not a problem for Obama to not answer questions asked by those who never had any intention to vote for him.
se
soeBOBO has to answer to the constitution he is running for office to uphold. It’s his responsibility as a contender for office to publicly meet the minimum requirements it requires for citizenship. This has nothing to do with who would or would not vote for him
I did not change the subject. I only pointed out that you used a fallacious argument to justify your position. It was illogical and I called you out on it.
You have zero (0) defense on this one. Oblahblah needs to submit proof of citizenship to clear up these questions. That was my first post to which you responded and I am still waiting for a logical response from you.
His lack of transparency affects every American not just those who aren’t voting for him.
And btw, word of mouth is a great form of advertisement. (The average person tells 7 people of a bad shopping experience), imagine the fall out of strengthening the resolve of those who already see through Obama.
His lack of transparency affects every American not just those who aren’t voting for him.
That wasn’t the issue.
The issue was Obama’s not answering questions asked of him by those who never had any intention of voting for him being a problem for Obama.
I’ve said it isn’t a problem for Obama. I mean, what are they going to do? Shout “Oh yeah? Well I’m gonna double dog not vote for you now!”? Or will they skip over that and go straight for the triple dog not voting for him?
se
You don’t have the ability to know another person’s intentions. Not a good argument se. People change their minds often based on a single issue, you can’t presume to know the mind of another, that will always, always fail you. Imagine that maybe some people didn’t want to leave the party and were looking for that one reason to vote for Obama? When you say there is no intention, what do you mean? Because they aren’t 100% sure? Because they weren’t there supporting from the start? No one gets to qualify what is important to another person, thus intention seems to imply you are looking for an act of support or good faith. Is that the case?
It IS the issue. He doesn’t get to choose who votes; therefore all voters are relevant,hence the term DEMOCRACY.
{typing slowly}hmmm.. they will actively campaign against him..are you for real?
You’ve done the old misdirection again, Goob. I’ve already trounced your argument about “who is asking for the records”–and everyone here knows it. As for the second, it is a problem for Oblahblah because there is a long time between now and November and the RNC watches everything. You bots can be programmed by the DNC and Oblahblah but can be dismantled by a little derision and logic. I’m sure they’re taking notes. But don’t take my word for it. Just wait until November.
Are you implying truth has no relevancy? I would beg to differ. Se you will not let a little thing like the truth or facts sway your vote and I think we all know this. But there is a whole world outside the Internet and millions of voters with no access to or interest in blogs. Their opinions matter and that’s why it’s important anything Republicans have now be outed before the convention while something can be salvaged.
idiot. its not about votes. its about the constitution.
administrators: this “se” is spamming every thread big time!
Exactly. These PUMS aren’t going to vote for him anyway. Obama is running for president. Why must he explain himself to some faceless nut on a blog?
Don’t be so hard on yourself. You’re not a nut; you’re a flake.
Weenie:
I bout gave up hope for you. Now ya gettin’ it!
No votee for Obambi. I’m done with you, eventhough you were starting to show potential.
I don’t think it’s right to continue to take advantage of special children.
Stop the hate!
se, I guess you missed the point…
Watch the video above…
I’ve seen it.
se
se,
So you wouldn’t mind if McCain didn’t give his information then, or George W.Bush?
Why would I mind? I never voted for Bush and I won’t be voting for McCain. So what would it matter to me if they gave their information or not?
se
ah, you’re a low information voter.
What information do I need on those I won’t be voting for?
se
To compare and contrast, you actually need to have information on each side. That you do not means that you are, indeed, a low-information voter and WildChild is correct.
se doesn’t care about the election. It’s his ultimate refuge when boxed
And boxed he is.
So tell me, what information do I need about those I’m not voting for?
se
You categorized more than half of the voters as ignorant. LOL it seems you’re one of them.
Oh no, I would categorize more than half the voters as ignorant.
se
yeah, You categorized more than half of the voters as ignorant means (you) would categorize more than half the voters as ignorant .
(ROFLMAO) thanks for helping to drive that point home se.
I thought se was a more trained obamatron than any of the others. But you showed him up. Good job, WildChild.
ferd, word on the street is that the special Olympics will be contacting se sometime next week to talk about a slot on their solitaire team. He’s got bronze metal written all over him.
ROFL. Well, isn’t that special?
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA HA… see, LOL you don’t even have THAT information… because your a low information voter.
Seeee:
Goodness gracious another special child.
Does Oboe recruit any intelligent life forms?
Stop the hate and get informed!
Well, knowing if someone had been say, a felon, it wouldn’t be good for them to be elected as sheriff, because even though you may not be voting for them, someone else will. We never know how elections will turn out, we thought we would have Bobby Kennedy.
Well, knowing if someone had been say, a felon, it wouldn’t be good for them to be elected as sheriff, because even though you may not be voting for them, someone else will.
Then that that would be information useful to someone else.
se
right, the low information voter wouldn’t be concerned with that sort of thing lest they risk losing the right to carry their low information voter Id card which interestingly enough, contains no information to identify the carrier.
So you only give a shit about what YOU think is important. You are not only a low-information voter but an egocentric low-information voter. You fit right in with Oblahblah. Two peas in the same self-absorbed pod.
I’m done with your narcissism.
So you only give a shit about what YOU think is important.
As it concerns ME, absolutely. And as it should be.
I generally figure others are capable of deciding what’s important to THEM and don’t need me to decide for them.
se
So if a convicted felon is elected, say in your district, you would have no problem with it.
That says a lot about you, pinhead. You are either a drug-addled adolescent or an idiot.
So if a convicted felon is elected, say in your district, you would have no problem with it.
You again miss the point entirely.
Let’s say there’s a candidate running for office in my district. A candidate that I have absolutely no intention of voting for.
Then at some point I find that they are a convicted felon.
How does this change anything for me? I was never going to vote for them anyway. What, am I supposed to not vote for them twice or something?
se
What do you not get? Voting is a privilege paid for in blood, sweat and tears, it is considered a moral obligation by many. If you knowingly turn your head and accept a felon as a leader you are dispicable. No one in their right mind would knowingly create a bad future for themselves, their families and their fellow citizens. So what many would do besides “not vote for them twice or something” would be to actively work and campaign to support and encourage what they feel is right.
Also, there’s no need to sign your posts..we can see your screen name.
Also, there’s no need to sign your posts..we can see your screen name.
I’ve been posting online for over 20 years and it’s just become habit.
se
Se, you are such an idiot that is why you dont need any info!
It needs to matter, because you, I and everyone else has to do this. And anyone who wants to be a citizen. It is how we are allowed to call ourselves Americans. It is part of our heritage, it is beyond just one election, or voting. It is your identity, your family, your blood. It matters.
Would any Obama supporter try to exlain why Obama could release a forty page rebuttal to a book which questions his legitimacy, but still not include the easiest to obtain, most relevant piece of information that would clear up a lot of speculation.
If he has it and it proves he’s truthful..he’d have shown it by now. He lies directly, he lies by ommission and there is NO excuse for it.
You are spot on.
Try and think of it like this…if someone were to try and smear Obama, one way to do that is to raise questions about concerns about his origins and his past that could imply a lack of candidness from OB. Passing around a obviously fake COLB as a response to questions about Obamas birth status would defintiely get folks wondering, ‘Where’s the real one, dude?’. Obama’s response, a quick one I’d hope, would be to…ta da!!! provide the real one. That would be logical, quick, official, decisive, and a response that just about everyone can relate to and appreciate-which is where I think the issue’s real worth is…doing something that is quite mundane, regular and required…just like everyone complying with requests to provide official documentation when pressed, i.e., driver’s license, human resources, etc..
Well, the first part did happen but it was actually the Obama campaign that seemingly thought the way to ‘fight the smear’ was to….ta da!!!! put up a fake COLB on THEIR own website which is called, yes, ….’Fight the Smears’. It was decided that an effective way to ‘fight smears’-an easily verifiable smear, at that-was to provide a doctored, unofficial COLB, for all the world to see. This only resulted in giving rise to mundane questions like, ‘Where is the real one, dude?’.
This issue, mind you, is only raging about mainly in the ’sphere’, not the general public. If this ran for two days, even on the weekend, on a major network…can you imagine the questions folks would logically and legitimately raise? or, shoot, for that matter the answers the Obama campaign would give, other than, ‘Here’s the real one, dude.’ If they did their usual, 2 or 3 college tries to address one issue…it would certainly give more time for prying eyes to pry somemore.
Do you now see where the problem is, where it began, and after some useful imagining, where it might go?
I hope they at least do.
“So where exactly is the problem?”
It’s just a minor thing called the US Constitution. No problem at all really.
Not one AA has come forward with anything that Obama accomplished for the AA community on the south side of Chicago.Instead, for years Obama helped Tony Rezko garner funding for his low income slum housing & Rezko in turn bundled hundreds of thousands of dollars that went towards Obama’s campaigns. The AA’s living there were left with no heat, roaches & vermin & leaking roofs. 11 buildings were in Obama’s district. He never once visited even 1 Rezko bldg.- claimed on TV, “I didn’t know.”
Obamalazy didn’t work for them then and he doesn’t work for them now. Why should he? They vote for him blindly anyway.
They should not feel alone though, he won’t work for bitter, gun clinging whites either, nor will he work for Americans that don’t speak foreign languages or ones who dare to heat their homes, nor will he work for the open sore Jewish or the women who should get over it.
He has loyalties though (those would be to all those dictators and terrorists with whom he’d like to chat unconditionally), just not to anyone of whom he seeks to SERVE.
Mr HUSSEIN Obama is going to Jail soon. Stay tuned!
Now THAT would truly make his candidacy historical.
BREAKING NEWS: Obama Birth Certificate Fuss “Ridiculous
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/08/16/politics/horserace/entry4355527.shtml
Actually you know what will look ridiculous; if we do end up with a President who is not legally qualified. What do think the world will say about that? How do you think we will be looked at? We stand by our Constitution ~as this is how we define ourselves, if we don’t use it and apply it to ourselves, how in the world can we express a support of freedom elsewhere when we do not apply it at home?
America will lose it’s ability to stand for Democracy in the world..no question.
CBS news just stated that you PUMAs are ridiculous for pursuing the angle that Obama is not an American citizen. Birth certificates are sensitive documents, and they just don’t give them out to anyone, especially paranoid, tin-foil hat wearing weirdos on some obscure website. Obama’s COLB is legit no matter what some angry blogger thinks. The person who posted the information could have faked it themselves. Their hate and anger could have driven them to this. No credible reporter will ever come forward with this information, because they will be ridiculed out of their profession. Hacks like Jerome Corsi or Cliff Kinkade haven’t even touch this. Because it’s a load of crap.
Quoting the MSM are we, obabatron, 1st degree?
Oblahblah wants to be employed by the taxpayer as POTUS. We as the collective boss need to see his identification that proves he is an American.
NOw report back to obamabotland for a reboot.
Kelvin,
Ever think that continuing to personally insult people of opposing viewpoints will only cost Obama votes?
I do agree with you, Obama’s birth certificate is a load of crap, and his autobiography is a mountain of sh*t.
That’s why he posts for a while and then leaves. He has to go back to bot HQ for more instruction on how to actually influence people.
Kelvin needs a degree in ‘community organizing’.
Peter D.
Thanks for this link!
Also, read the bloggers comments.
We need to post our comments and links to NQ and other sources too on this blog!
However, if you read the CBSnews in the link above, this article appeared to be written by Obots who have tried to hide their MESSIAH’S IDENTITY without producing his real physical BC.
Peter, read what bloggers’ comments to this CBS story on the CBS link.
Seen where this goes?
http://WWW.BARRYSOETORO.COM
Surprise!!
That was worth the click..AHAHAhaahahaa….haa.
ANOTHER IMPORTANT NEWS: Obama’s response to book holds risks, analysts say
http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/1179993.html
It does matter that Barry was an Islamic Indonesian. He had two Islamic dads, one a Kenyan, the other an Indonesian. He spent the formative years of his childhood in Indonesia where he was registered as an Islamic Indonesian by his mother.
Obama is a DeFacto foreigner.
The Founding Father’s knew that the loyalty of the President to the US Constitution was paramount to the posterity of this new democracy. Such loyalty was deemed so vital, that they included the clause
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
This is distinction is magnified by the different standard for Congressmen and Senators. A Congressman need only have been a citizen for seven years, and nine years for a Senator.
“No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have been seven Years a Citizen of the United States”. And “No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States.”
Loyalty was so vital for the Executive that the founders wanted a president who was a citizen when he passed from the womb and until his death, someone who’s loyalty to the US and Constitution would never be in doubt.
Barry Soetoro is an Islamic Indonesian as documented by his mother. Barry is a DeFacto foreigner.
Barry is a “Citizen of the World” first, a US Citizen second.
A POTUS must be, as the Founders intended, a LIFELONG US Citizen without exception.
It does matter that Barry was an Islamic Indonesian. He had two Islamic dads, one a Kenyan, the other an Indonesian. He spent the formative years of his childhood in Indonesia where he was registered as an Islamic Indonesian by his mother.
Why do you keep saying “Islamic” and then bring up the Constitution? Have you ever read any more of it than the two clauses you quote here?
If you can make it to Article VI, you’ll find that it says “… no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
So again, why do you keep saying “Islamic”?
se
Yep and you see we are the employers for this position; nobody gets in out of some expectation. We are hiring the President, this is the audition, the interview. If someone was sitting in your office to be hired and couldn’t provide identification, would you hire them?
Simply put, Texas Darlin is a pain the ass. All is in the screen name.
Texas Darlin is the real citizen journalist who can bring the truth of your MESSIAH’s backgrounds to the public!
When?
Texasdarlin’s research is why everyone is on this blog now, or on hers. This posted article we are responding to is based on her work. She gets a lot of credit from me and many more.
We would not be so close to throwing bambi out of the nomination process if it wasn’t for her dogged research.
NOw it is up to us to work with this and get it out there.
Obama’s trust issue will cast a very dark shadow on his candidacy if he doesn’t come clean. He’s hiding important information that ALL American’s have the right to know. Period!
you guys are pathetic wasting time and energy knowingly fighting with these racist un-American trolls.
When you give them the time of day, they win and Hillary supporters lose. Who wants to listen to immature name-calling diatribe. Obama blogs ban Hillary supporters all the time for much less.
This ain’t Oblahblah land. It’s an open site where the trolls are exposed for what they are–lock-step brownshirts. This is a good thing.
I have one more question you can add to the short list: (If he did legally change his name)
What state was the name change made in and where is the legal proof?
These issues do nothing but cause me to trust the man less and less!
tragedy in the making for the obamabots. they prayed for “change they can believe in” but got duped and ended up with BS instead!
B.O.W.L.* Big Time in November (2008)
*Barack Obama Will Lose
HRC - 45th POTUS (2012)
Hey all you Hillary supporters. KELVIN IS A PAID OBAMA JAMMER! He is playing the role of a 3 year old who can’t comprehend an abstract idea if it hit him over the head. HE DOES! His goal is to distract and derail your legitimate discussion. ON together4us, we had to come up with a strategy: once identified as an NOBAMA surrogate, TOTALLY IGNORE; respond only to real discussion. They became so frustrated that they started signing on with randomly typed names, then posted nonsensical phrases from encyclopedias, poetry books etc. to jam up the site to prevent real discussion. Pitiful isn’t it. Hopefully Larry will take them off if they resort to that strategy on this site. So instead they try to sound serious, but use childlike reasoning.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
Take a look at these email address directories. I obtained from countusout.wordpress.com
This is important to help us get the message out. Hundreds of email addresses…
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111
(Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)
And
http://www.rumormillnews.com/MEDIA_EMAIL_ADDRESSES.htm
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/15/for-barack-obama-eight-questions/#more-4195
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/16/will-barry-soetoro-be-a-problem-for-barack/
Send these 2 NQ links to media outlets and ask why has no one asked these questions of Sen Obama. List out the questions posed by Larry Johnson and Matthew Weaver
I bet someone would “ask this question” if anyone could keep tack of what the “question of the day” was.
This country is in flameout due to crackpots like those who think txdarlin (et al)is some sort of genius. 99.9% of you have no idea WHAT the hell you are talking about, but you repeat it everywhere pretending you do. I think you are all aliens. You have had your brain replaced by rotting fruit and earwigs. Why hadnt the “MSM” picked any of this up?
I dunno, why dont they have a joke of the day?
take the time you waste patting each other on the back and read a book for once. A real book, not the latest toilet paper by your boy Corsi. Try the library, take notes. If even one iota of all of your “brilliant” discoveries had any merit, the FBI might know about it too. Good grief, I hope you have no children!