Obama v. McCain: Impressions from ’round the blogosphere
By SusanUnPC on August 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM in Barack Obama, John McCain
Mark Hemingway for The Corner (it’s important to read it all):
I don't want to get to overheated about what occurred tonight, but I do think McCain had a clear and decisive victory over Obama. It all comes down to something that Phil Bredesen, the Democratic governor of Tennessee recently said about Obama: “Instead of giving big speeches at big stadiums, he needs to give straight-up 10-word answers to people at Wal-Mart about how he would improve their lives.”
By that standard, McCain did extremely well and Obama did very poorly. McCain's answers were direct, confident and, most importantly, serious. …
Chuck Todd for MSNBC’s First Read:
Quick first impressions: Obama spent more time trying to impress Warren (or to put another away) not offend Warren while McCain seemingly ignored Warren and decided he was talking to folks watching on TV. The McCain way of handling this forum is usually the winning way. Obama may have had more authentic moments but McCain was impressively on message. [...]
[T]his reminded me of the many comparisons we made between Obama and Hillary Clinton. She was much more effective at answering questions in 90 seconds and always staying on message while Obama too easily allowed himself to get knocked off his talking points. Remember, Obama doesn’t need to win over his supporters, he needs folks who are just now tuning in. [...]
Obama better be thankful for the timing of this; he seemed a little rusty and clearly has some work to do before he meets McCain face-to-face on Sept. 26, the night of the first presidential debate in Oxford, MS.
Andrew Sullivan at The Atlantic:
9.57 pm. McCain’s evolution into a candidate who knows how to stroke the Christianist base is somewhat impressive. It was a little canned at times, but it will work with evangelicals. All in all, this struck me as pretty much a draw. But it also struck me that the questions could have been asked in a non-religious setting and by a real journalist who might have even followed up the questions and not allowed both candidates, but especially McCain, to go on anecdote auto-pilot. …
From The Moderate Voice:
[...] Once again McCain has proven to be far stronger than some predicted he would be, exceeding expectations. And Obama has proven to be a tad less dynamic and overpowering than earlier hype suggested, not meeting some expectations. [...]
Obama’s performance has not been judged bad (except by some GOP partisan writers who likely would have proclaimed it bad no matter how well he did because that’s how the spin game is played). But it was NOT a buzz-creating home run or or game-changer. And McCain — once again — came across as highly likable, sincere and decisive. Will the word “nuance” — once considered a plus — again become a dirty word in campaign 2008? …
OF NOTE: The Moderate Voice also offers a good round-up of blog reactions.
Michael M. Bates for Newsbusters.org (”CNN’s Analysis: At Saddleback, Obama Was ‘Thoughtful’”):
[...]
That Obama is just so darn thoughtful. This isn’t just CNN’s judgment. Over at MSNBC, political director Chuck Todd noted that "every Obama answer was certainly thoughtful enough. . . " San Francisco Chronicle political writer Carla Maninucci writes that Obama "appeared more thoughtful and comfortable discussing faith and domestic issues, exploring with relish the issues and moral dilemmas with Warren." Dan Glaister, Los Angeles correspondent of the UK Guardian, reports: "Where Obama was thoughtful and cautious, McCain was abrupt – so abrupt in fact that his short responses meant he got to answer more questions in his hour than his rival."
I watched the forum and would describe many of Obama’s responses as vague. Thoughtfulness, like beauty, apparently is in the eye of the beholder. At CNN and in other mainstream media outlets, they all behold it the same way.
Ed Stoddard for Tales From the Trail:
U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama side-stepped a pointed query about abortion on Saturday by “mega-pastor” Rick Warren during a televised forum.
Asked at what point a baby gets “human rights,” Obama, who strongly supports abortion rights, said: “… whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity … is above my pay grade.”
He went on to reiterate his view that it was important to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who followed Obama onto the stage of the nationally televised event, was more blunt and more emphatic.
He said a baby’s human rights began “at the moment of conception … I have a 25-year pro-life record.” …
Jeremy Lott for The Guardian:
[...]
Warren disclosed to the audience, “Both these guys are my friends.” He passed over the chance to ask hard follow-up questions. He began his one-on-one interview with Obama by joking “If you were a tree…” In fact, the candidates tried to cover up for the puffball nature of some of the queries by pretending they were real stumpers.
This was surprising because Warren is no intellectual slouch. Last year when he went up against atheist wunderkind Sam Harris in Newsweek, he proved an able debater with a real talent for bloodying his opponent. If he’d decided to turn up the heat on the candidates, they’d have felt it.
Perhaps he took it easy because they flattered him. McCain quoted from Warren’s book, The Purpose Driven Life, claiming that it was essentially his own campaign message. Obama contrasted the sales of his own books with Warren’s phenomenal publishing juggernaut. “I haven’t sold 25 million books but I’ve been selling some books lately,” the Democrat said.
Either that or Warren simply doesn’t have a strong preference either way. From their answers it’s clear that we’re about to get a purpose-driven president. Obama would expand healthcare and other programmes domestically, and raise taxes to pay for them. Except for Iraq, Obama is bullish on the benefits of American action abroad.
And readers will no doubt be shocked to learn that McCain wants a more belligerent foreign policy and professed a willingness to follow Osama bin Laden to the very gates of Hades.
The real surprise of the night was McCain’s entrée into domestic issues. Warren asked: when is a fetus “entitled to human rights”? “At the moment of conception” McCain answered, without blinking. (Obama had danced around the issue, calling the determination of when life begins “above my pay grade.”) McCain also began to pivot away from his past support for government funding of embryo destructive stem cell research by saying he is “wildly optimistic” about research to make skin mimic embryonic stem cells.
Warren asked what current Supreme Court justice McCain might not have appointed. The Arizona senator named justices Souter, Stevens, Ginsburg, and Breyer – the entire liberal wing of the Court. And he called Bush appointees justices Alito and Roberts “two of my most recent favorites.”
McCain offered a sweeping embrace of school choice, calling it a “civil rights issue.” On energy issues, he said “We gotta do everything.” “Everything,” included a mix of more subsidies for hybrid cars, more offshore oil exploration, and more nuclear power plants. He proposed large tax credits for children and for healthcare, condemned efforts to increase unionisation by eliminating secret ballots, and railed against high taxes and “class warfare” generally. The crowd loved it.
It could be a preview of things to come. If this new crusading conservative McCain shows up at the presidential debates in October, will Obama be the one left hoping for help from a higher power?
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I just completed a video on this same subject, Susan:
‘Daily Kos: McCain wins Saddleback Forum’
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw_IHByu4k
That was the best performance I have ever seen from McCain. Obama was bad, but McCain’s amazing job made Obama look even worse.
So, Andrew Sullivan knows a “real journalist?”
PUMA HAKA
I love the video, Paul! I posted a comment but they’re saying the ratings are disabled right now – will check back later to give it the highest rating.
I went over to the big orange monster this morning just to see how they were taking bambi’s “performance” – not well – ha ha!
“Political Jesus” – fabulous!
Paul, I love the strategy of using dKos words against dKos. That place is so hypocritical and willing to destroy real democracy for their kind of democracy- our way or the highway.
Brilliant.
Thanks, roseeriter.
Daily Kos should be good for something, shouldn’t they be?
Something, that is, besides for laughing yourself silly reading the posts there.
The Daily Kos is nothing but a bunch of self-loathing, spolied brats in need of a good spanking. I laugh at them all.
Firefly, thanks so much!
I disable the ratings on purpose so that Axelrod’s $7/hour crew can’t create havoc with them. We’ve had more than enough of the Obamites’ gaming of ratings and rec lists to last decades.
I have to say this: I remember some of what was written on Daily Kos after Snow died, and it was sickening. Tony Snow was a magnificent human being, despite what anyone thinks of his politics.
That people could delight in anyone’s passing, let alone that of someone of Snow’s quality, is wrong and offensive.
And typical Daily Kos. They are filled with negativity there, and it is repulsive.
Paul wonderful video, honest and so true!!
Glad to of met you here in blogland…
Paul,
That was great, well done. You made it very clear, and I love how you just like what has been put out there speak for itself.
Excellent.
Thanks, Kat. Really glad you enjoyed it.
Paul – your video was fabulous! You might want to do one on the $250K hard luck story. I think his percentages also were off on income levels of Americans.
Thanks, Carol.
It would have been one thing had Obama just not done well with his deliberately evasive, stammering answers.
But McCain was unbelievably good. So good the Obama camp is trying to accuse McCain of cheating by hearing the questions (I heard Andrea Mitchell reported this on Meet The Press today).
When you’re accusing your rival of cheating, that means you know you lost. Lost bad.
I posted that statement over at RD this morning. Andrea suggested that McCain was so good because he was not in the “cone of silence”. These people are ridiculous. They should concentrate on why BO is so bad.
Man, I laughed out loud when I heard that. Talk about whining. Americans don’t want a whiner as their president.
Great video Paul. I particularly like the BO as Urkel image–lol.
Obama should have been a professor. He is so cerebral and philosophical–he does not connect with real people and real issues. It’s all abstract speculation and relativity. That will not engender trust in the American people, especially the heartland.
Thank you, fif.
Obama was a lecturer of law for a number of years. Perhaps that shaped his drawn-out, meandering speech patterns.
Obama is a hustler, nothing more. He’s just a hustler with $10 words and a nice smile.
You’re right — the heartland isn’t going for this. New poll out today has Ohio tied. And BHO is losing about 25 percent of the Dem vote.
To all the media who said PUMA was no big deal:
Can you hear us now?
We’re not backing Barry Soetoro.
Paul, Great video. Glad you inserted the not my job mann, I mean not my paygrade man…C’mon Buckeye Baracks keep swinging to the PUMA camp and leave the Koolaid at the door….
Okay, I’m taking that as a slap in the face.
I may be a professor and it may be economics which is somewhat cerebral and philosophical but I live in the 9th ward and connect with real people and real issues every day. One of the things about being a good professor is that you have to take all the amounts of stuff you know on all kinds of levels teach others on all kinds of levels and apply it and research it on all kinds of level. I, for one, would not want Obama as a colleague. He strikes me as the sort that NEVER does his homework and relies on graduate assistants for things.
Please, not all of us are that whacked!
Oh, I’m a professor too, Dakinikat. Yes, Obama would be a Prima Donna, constantly traveling and applying for Fulbrights and the like and, thus, unavailable for the grunt committee work that has to be done in any department. He would exploit his graduate students, making them grade all the papers and teach his classes during his frequent absences. And he wouldn’t be able to lecture without notes in front of him, which he would read with his head down.
His halting speech is based on the fact that he has no core values or opinions that he is not always parsing for his audience. This explains his history of “present” votes. I was married to a Genius that was very philosophical. At some point you just beg them to make a decision one way or the other.
Here! Here!
Your video was outstanding!
Thanks, Eden. Really glad you like it.
fantastic, great, brilliant!!!!!!!!! What more can I say!!! Tks from the great state of GA
Paul — The contrast between McCain and Backtrack Obama is astounding. McCain has principles and its easy for him to speak on the issues because he understands them and knows his heart. O’Backtrack looks like his is trying to remember what he feels about every issue. He so wanted the moderator to like him. Just like a kid going to a new school. McCain looks like a grown up and next to him Obama looks like an insecure kid.
Paul — Don’t think the age thing is going to work against McCain. Just the opposite–its experience vs. lack of experience.
Susan, seems most everyone (except Sullivan and his fellow oBots) agrees — in so many words: McCain reclaimed the Straight Talker mantle while Obama zigzagged around every issue, seeking to not offend anyone. Obama’s been so vague, so all-things-to-all-people, for so long now that trying to do otherwise is not natural for him.
So much for the Dems-will-crush-Rethugs expectations of our fellow Dems in Left Blogosphere. Oh that this had happened in late June and not right before our convention. Makes me wish that whomever has whatever tapes will release them in the next day or so to spare us the impending debacle.
“Obama zigzagged around every issue, seeking to not offend anyone. Obama’s been so vague,…”
He self-censored a lot because his one true passion is reparations – that’s his reason for public life – if he didn’t self-censor a slip out of the tongue would reveal his real agenda and others things he’d rather remain secret.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/015/386abhgm.asp?pg=1
http://vbonnaire.wordpress.com/2008/08/04/election-08-news-for-pumas-karl-rove-assisted-obama-in-hurting-hillary-clinton-but-theres-morethey-met-ages-ago-no/
I was very impressed by John McCain my decision to back him since HRC has been dogged by DEAN< PELOSI< KERRY< KENEDDY Party. MCCAIN NATION 2008 no obama he stinks!
Paul
You always do such a great job making people understand.
Please even after the election keep doing your videos.
This country needs truth tellers.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
This forum was irrelevant. The topics, the questions, the air time were a complete waste of time. It would have been better spent with a documentary covering the the founding fathers and the constitution.
Obama just gave another Oprah interview. McCain just demonstrated he has the talking points down pat for the most miserably intolerant, hateful, and irrational sect of the Republican base.
The only thing I can do is quote Thomas Jefferson and hope there is an awakening from this period of dismal minds and a new Age of Reason. Spending so much time on every one’s invisible friend and their moral shortcomings reminds with a snake oil salesmen is not my idea of a fruitful Saturday night.
“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802
While I disagree with your assessment of Senator McCain, I will tell you that you will never wonder where you stand with him.
Miserably intolerant? Is that coming from someone who’s leader, Howard Dean, believes that the Republican Party is “white”?
Irrational sect? Is that the group that has sent death threats to Jerome Corsi because the cultists disagree with his anti-Obama book?
Hateful? Is that the group of kids known as the DailyKos wondering which Republican should next be given a brain tumor?
You tell me which side is more hateful and intolerant. There are plenty of idiots out there and for the moment, the Obama cultists win hands down.
they are both intolerant and hateful to the point I’m not longer affiliated with either party. I was a Republican until the Clintons showed me that you could have strong national defense and good economic policies with out the kook religionists that the Republican party drug in with the Nixon southern strategy. I ran as a pro-choice republican candidate, and I can attest to the stalking, the threats, the incredible awful, lies that the christian right employs as it marches on to war. Do I think it’s worse than the Obama Nation … NO! Which is exactly why I won’t support Howard Dean and all the kooky leftists coming in with Obama. It’s as if they borrowed the insane agenda from the christian right.
Obama = Bush III
We have to remember, Obama and the DNC brought faith speech into this particular election cycle. It wasn’t McCain. From all indications, he is a very private person when it comes to personal issues. Obama’s camp mistook his reluctance to speak about religion as an inability. Obama started it. McCain finished it.
just like he and his stooges brought race into it. Sick. Americans are tired of being called racists for not seeing BS/BO as our new Jesus.
Amen!
Worse than irrelevant. I give negs to both of the pandering pair purely for their participation in the preacher’s program.
The relevance it holds is just one more example that he is completely lost in the woods with his halting, boring, rambling speech pattern.
carol — Obama is always lost because he tries so hard to be something he isn’t. Now he’s a religious guy because he wants the Right Wing Republicans to vote for him. Obama who listened to his hate filled preacher for 20 years — is now Mr. Christian. Anyone with half a brain can see Obama is a fraud. When you are not speaking from the heart you’re going to trip yourself up.
Where is Thomas Jefferson when we need him?
People said a lot of the same things about Thomas Jefferson when he was president. The fact is that there will always be smart-assed cynics like “Dakinikat” above who never have a good thing to say about anyone or anything. Cynics are a dime a dozen and never accomplish anything of note. They are petty, miserable little people who don’t count for shit.
One John McCain is worth more than a billion of them put together.
I have a lot of good things to say about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Harry Truman, Mikael Gorbachev, Winston Churchill, Victor Hugo, John Stuart Mill, Alice Paul, Shirley Chisolm, Scoop Jackson, Patrick Monihan, and HILLARY AND BILL CLINTON!!!
As if you cared …
The R must stand for Republican, because – at least up until now – we’ve been free to discuss politics from a Democratic viewpoint here without that.
I didn’t bother watching this interview as I can’t stomach watching either of them. I don’t like Senator Obama’s corrupt, terrorist (foreign and domestic) friends or his “moral” counselors and thus I would never vote for him and would probably vote for a third party but for one thing…
I hated that the Republicans stole the 2000 election, and Mr. Bush has been gleefully unrepentent – a poster child for arrogance and condescension. I think the 2004 election could also have been tampered with. This election has definitely been a oeuvre filled with corruption, disenfranchisement, and the end justifying the means theme. I believe in holding my party accountable for this fraud and undermining of democracy. Someone else said on this site that “there are worse things than losing an election.” I agree. It was not morally correct for the Republicans to have stolen the election. It is not morally correct for the Democrats to do it. The buck stops with us, fellow Democrats. We cannot let this kind of behavior prevail.
dan — McCain started out for me as a protest vote. My first vote for a Republican. However, I find I like the way he speaks. He has a warmth and humility its impossible to ignore. I don’t agree with him on anything but this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.
Dan R– why is Dakinikat a cynic? I think the analogy about the strong-arm tactics employed by the right wing evangelicals (and GWB) and Obama and his Ozombies is valid. Obama is just the flip side of GWB, IMHO.
Do you understand the difference between religion and faith? This was a Faith Forum. Having faith in a power greater than yourself is not the same as having a religion. I am pretty certain the founding fathers believed the same way. Therefore, the separation of church (religion) and state. Not the separation of faith and state. Faith is non-partisan.
You are so wrong. The Founders of this country were a product of the Age of Reason, not the Dark Ages. I suggest you go read what they actually had to say about the subject rather than speculate about which you have no knowledge.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/quotes/adams.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/jefferson.htm
I read it, I get it. You don’t! There is a difference between Religion and Faith. Religion is how some people choose to practice their faith.
I am well aware that the founding fathers did not all practice RELIGION, but the your first link specifically describes TJ’s belief in a power greater than himself….Nature’s GOD!
I’ve never seen Jefferson describe himself as Pantheistic. He was much more interested in the idea of a higher mind within every one.
Oh Christ.
If McCain keeps saying…”Country First” like he has done in his life, he will be our 44th President.
Harp — I don’t think John McCain will ever hurt us. I think like Clinton McCain would feel my pain.
Sounds like McCain is listening to the PUMA mantra: Country before Party!
John McCain did a fantastic job last night because he was being himself. If you’re comfortable in your own skin, people will know it. Obama isn’t comfortable in his own skin and you saw that last night.
I don’t care whether or not someone agrees with me political. I do care that you’re honest and comfortable enough to believe in your positions.
Couldn’t have said it better republicanchick!
RepublicanChick I agree that JM did a good job last night. But, even though we do not agree with the DNC nominee we must keep in mind JM response to the court question. I will never ever vote for BO. I will not vote for POTUS. But, I will vote for the Dem nominee for US Senate and I will pray that the court members that JM mentioned will hold on for 4 more years until we get HRC in office.
We don’t know for sure that Hillary will run again or what will happen in 2012. With all due respect, I say “live for the moment.” I have no problem voting for McCain.
Especially true given the circumstances surrounding this election. Absent HRC, McCain is a good second choice.
I think she will run and win in 2012. Remember, McCain said he would consider one term. Again, I will not vote for BO for POTUS and after this I don’t think I can vote for him for US Senate. I may consider voting for JM even though it will be changed in Cook County, IL. For me it is about Country First!
Agree wholeheartedly. Although not a real ardent McCain supporter, I will definitely vote for him over Obama as I know where he stands. With Obama it seems like it sort of depends on what day it is and which group he is speaking to. In addition, I certainly do not see Sen. McCain as an elitist whereas Sen. Obama comes off that way to me.
Yeah! Obama reminds me of Zelig the mysterious chamelean- like character (in Woody Allen’s film ZELIG) who appears everywhere, changing his appearance to suit his circumstances and audience.
On a similar note, GWB reminds me of the character Chauncey Gardner in the film BEING THERE. Check it out, the film is hilarious, but since the rise of GWB it is also a bit scary.
Republican Chick — I totally agree. I am impressed with the fact that he is sure of himself. Ageism will not work against McCain. Obama’s problem is Youthism.
I normally don’t praise Reagan, but didn’t he have a great line in one of his presidential debates about not holding his opponent’s youth and inexperience against him? McCain might want to recyle that quip during the debates.
Republican Chick — Will McCain use all the means at hand to bury Obama? Everyone else has pussy footed around for fear of insulting him. I will be a Republican for one day in November so please tell me that McCain will pull out all the stops to win this thing.
Its all above BARRYS pay grade!!!!!!
This is the problem (one of them) with Oblahma. Always trying to be clever and snyde instead of talking frankly about policy.
Paul great video, and Obama dressed as Urkel hillarious.
Wether the forum was relevant or not, it showed that Obama can not discuss issues without a script and a teleprompter.
Wow!
It looks like Obama bombed soundly.
In fact we haven’t seen this much bombing since “shock and awe”.
Good feeling. Obama is being exposed… clounds are gathering.
I like the new theme “Obama Fails”. Seems like he continues to give us material.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSIpU9eJwBc
Pass it along folks.
Wow! What a shocking contrast. Obama is just as fried as Bush. Can’t even read off a page or keep his focus through one sentence.
So bad the media went into forget mode.
You are so correct. I was so disappointed last night when I searched the “big” newspapers — the Washington Post and NYTimes — for any frank, decent coverage of the debate. Not to be found. Again, it is the blogs where the meat of the forum was truly dissected. The blogs are surpassing the MSM in their analyses, for the most part.
Agree. Where is CNN? The best political team on television. NOT. They know Obama bombed next to McCain. It was obvious and they will be damned if they will admit it, Makes them look like the “worst political team on television” and that would do a real number on their self-esteem. CNN is pathetic.
David Gergen,said Obama didn’t do well at all..He was very truthful,in Obama’s performance against Mccain.
pewl — I heard that he was tired tsk tsk — such a long plane ride. Not much of an excuse when he is 25 years younger than McCain.
Yes just back from vacation long flight from Hawaii to Chicago and then onto CA…
Get a life Barak my real workers do this every week and they are expected to get up for work weekly… you had been on vacation, tired you need to wake up and see/work in the real world.
Earn a honest living for a Change…. Hope this will all pass over quickly!
Oh, you can bet that if it had been Obama that had been “on” last night, the NY Times, the WaPo and CNN would have been ALL over it!
I’m nearly 50 years old, and I have been following politics closely for a long, long time. I can honestly say that I have never seen the mainstream news media so totally and unabashedly “in the tank” for a particular candidate as they are for Barack Obama this year.
It’s laughable. Fortunately, a clear majority of the American public knows it.
I no longer consider the media mainstream anymore — The National Enquirer has now become more mainstream than they are.
Dan — I’ve found it depressing to have the media so in the tank for a guy who has nothing. If this is an honest election McCain will win in a landslide. He looks like a President–Obama looks like an ex-basketball star. He needs to stop shooting hoops. It makes him look like an overgrown kid.
Which he is- an overgrown “spoiled” kid- just like his pathetic followers in the cult.
Well, they were pretty much in the tank for GWB. Remember that they ignored GWB’s hidden earpiece during one of the debates?
Is this just now hitting the blogosphere that The Indonesian version of “audacity of Hope” has been marketed with a title that means an entirely different thing?
Translated it means “Jihad: Jakarta to the White House”?!?!? Jihad! Meaning to Allah the power?!?!
HOW LONG HAS THIS INFOMATION BEEN OUT THERE MSM?!?!?!
I found this site through a post the other day. I will continue to pass it on. I recommend that everyone read it.
Lying for Islam is exceptable. Here is a sight to go to read about “Taqiyya”. It is very CHILLING and it fits Obama.
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
curiosity OMG — Sounds like thats the real agenda. Come on McCain.
Obama needs to come down from the Ivory Tower.
Imagine that to not answer a question because of a pay grade, I just sat there in bewilderment at that one, I wonder if Obama becomes President exactly what questions will he be able to answer then, maybe everything will then be above his pay grade.
Obama expects pay raise in White House.
He came right out and said why he wants to be POTUS.
My goodness let us not even whisper O for POTUS…
Keep up the good Work John Mccain…
If you repeat it enough it will happen…
McCain 08 if no Hillary!
Country before Party!
Character before marketing; country before party.
It is time to throw your tea in the harbor and spit in the eye of those who think we’re fools.
Roosevelt’s DNC is dead; it is denied a proper funeral by the neo-Dem leaders who pretend it still exists in hopes that we won’t notice and unite behind their inexperienced Flim-Flam man who can’t seem to articulate his thoughts without his speechwriters and a teleprompter. McCain won last night, because whether you agreed with him or not, he articulated his vision and clarfied his views by
sharing his personal experiences and beliefs. McCain proved that experience and a lifetime of public service trump Axelrod’s rock-star marketing of a novice as a presidential contender any day of the week. Obama, ummmmm-ahhhhhh-ehhhhhh-duhhhh, was in a
Bush-like mind fog, equivocal and ambiguous.
Chicago-style politics instead of the will of the people have thus far decided the outcome of the neo-Dems election process. Thank Kennedy, Kerry, Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile, along with Soros and the talking heads at NBC/MSNBC and CNN for this debacle. Thank the unethical jounalistic practices of the American print media, such as Newsweek, US News, and a multitude of newspapers that put the financial and philosophical interests of their corporate owners over those of the American people for where we are today. Wake up and get even!
It is time to take our country back. Clinton or McCain, 2008; there is no other viable option for our country. Character before marketing; country before party.
BJ, some of the people here don’t understand Chicago style politics. Let me take a minute to explain. When you don’t have the votes, you eliminate you opponent by small print (Alice Palmer). For example, Iowa and other caucus states, you bring in ringers from other districts to get your vote out. You by no means depend on the district, you bring in pofessional vote getters. In Chicago you call racism where non exist but you excite and piss off your supporters telling them of the boggy man. And, they will get out and “show the man.”
You put your opponent in a position where they can not respond to the question of racism without being called a racist. You make friends and deals with the most powerful (Emil Jones/Dick Durbin) to make sure no one talks about you record for fear of losing allocations or not getting more money(Super Delegates). And last but not least, you Lie, Lie, Lie and because of the above, no one will call you on the carpet for the Truth out of fear.
I recall this “ringer” mode was done in Philadelphia.
The reporting at the time stated that local people were pissed at the outsiders and the lack of “walking money” for local office.
They went out of there way to alienate people.
Christina at yestodemocracy.com has just put a front page post up “exposing” and smearing Larry and Susan
She’s 22 yrs. old and batty as all get out. Who cares what she thinks?
LOL.
very funny. nothing can smear these two!
First presidential debate. How sad, Hillary won’t be in it. Imagine if it had been Hil against JM!
Don’t be sad. This wasn’t a debate.
McCain Hit it out of the poark last night.
Uh-Uh-Uhbama tanked hard.
Any media sycophant who tries to spin it any other way is so deep in the koolaid tank they have no credibility.
It was a Blowout!!
Obullshit and his campaign shoudl be thanking their lucky stars that most of america is focused on the olympics and not his craptacular faight forum performance.
He Lied
He Evaded
He Obfuscated
He Himmed and Hawed
He Pandered
He SUCKED THE BIG ONE!
But Chuck Todd thought he was more “authentic” and Andrew Sullivan considered it a draw. Big surprise for these two Kool Aid junkies.
Andrew Sullivan should stick to looking for anonymous friends in dark corners. That’s really where his expertise lies.
Good Old “Bareback.”
Chuck was not a BO supporter through the primaries, even though his wife worked for BO. It was a divided house.
sure…and James Clyburn was nuetral too.
I serious, he begged for access. And I agree, Clyburn was always in BO pocket. I told people that in December when I heard about his family business.
I’m serious, he begged for access. But was denied because of Russett. He hated Mark Penn and said in Iowa, she would be way ahead with the media if it weren’t for Penn. And I agree, Clyburn was always in BO pocket. I told people that in December when I heard about his family business.
You are full of crap. Chuck Todd was the first to play the race card the night of the NH primary. He declared BO won because of the “Bradley effect”…………. He’s been in the tank from the beginning.
That was Chris Matthews, Chuck was sitting on the panel.
If the best Andrew Sullivan can say is that it was a draw, then that should tell you all you need to know about who kicked who’s ass last night.
Andrew Sullivan Calling last night a draw is like Andrew Sullivan telling his date he has never done it au natural before.
Yep, all the koolaid drinkers have their script, namely, Obama was thoughtful and authentic. I guess thoughtful is when you uhhhh-ahhhhh-ehhhhh-duhhhhhh your way through a mind fog that appears so dense your known familial relationship (5th cousins?) to #43 finally becomes evident for all to behold.
Country before party; character before marketing.
Clinton or McCain 2008; no other viable option.
Barry Soetoro AKA Barack Obama, Barry Dunham, the confused, compromised, blackmailed, controlled puppet once again demonstrated his need for his huggy pillow, Telepropmter, please!
As a Democract, along with my family and many. many friends are voting, for our first time for a Republican as Prez. We are debating the merits of voting all down the line against our party because of their corrupt process during the primaries and Rules committee rulings. Anywhy, Ms. Rules, Donna Brazile, has already determined that AAs and the elite will win this for Barry. Plus we just can’t vote for such a candidate who has so many unanswered questionmarks and associates who hate our country.
I registered as an independent following that rules committee fiasco. Decided that this election I will vote a straight republican ticket in protest. I hope that Sen. Obama does not make history by being the first AA nominee for president by either major party. However, if he makes history so do I as it will be the first time in my life that I have voted for a republican candidate for president (turned 67 not long ago). And you know, after the way the DNC and democratic party elites have behaved in this primary I will not even feel bad voring a straight republican ticket.
I decided several months ago that if Obama was nominated that I would vote straight Republican. I will only vote for a Democrat if they have the backbone to come out and denounce Obama. Does any of the Democrats have the courage to step forward and break with Obama and Dean or are they all a bunch of pathetic wimps?
Obama is a Bum — I would love to vote for Loretta Sanchez. I wish I was in her district.
I guess even the Obama folks realize he lost. Here’s a transcript version of the terrible Andrea Mitchell, repeating an Obama team meme that maybe McCain cheated:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26252093/page/5/
Hey, Andrea, maybe John McCain is more qualified than Obama to be president (though not as qualified as Hillary). How pathetic, thinking McCain was not in a cone of silence.
Never fails. When Obama loses, his people start yelling “fraud!” Totally Orwellian, accuse the opposition of your own corruption. Obama is the cheat.
McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.
Darn! McCain does remote viewing?
I think it was pretty clever of Rick Warren to make up such a ridiculously sci fi term like the “cone of silence.” Then Obama sounds like a jackass when he accuses his opponent of cheating.
“McCain obviously escaped from the cone of silence.”
BWAHAHA.
Hope Floats — Its called age and experience. The day McCain needs to copy from Obama Hell will freeze over.
Andrea Mitchell has zero credibility as with the rest of the MSNBC crowd. These bozos are going to try and sell us another arrogant egomaniac as they did when they sold us Dubya. Haven’t we seen this picture before?
MSNBC are in a cone of ignorance.
“Cone of ignorance”. That’s a good one. Is it like a dunce cap?
Coneheads? Consuming mass quantities of O’Bullshit?
Good one HARP.
Thank the talking heads at NBC/MSNBC and CNN for this debacle.(This includes Mrs Greenspan a/k/a Andrea Mitchell.)It wasn’t enough that they screwed us with their endless backing of Bush. (Who would you like to go to a barbeque with? Have a beer with?) Wake up and get even!
Clinton or McCain 2008; no other viable option for our country.
Good follow-up. Particularly liked BHO stand on Justice Thomas. Basically saying he wasn’t qualified enough. Duh. Look in the mirror.
Yes, the Obama camp is saying JSM cheated. Actually, it was Obama that handed out campaign material. And, it was Obama that said he had “cheated” and studied what Warren had to say about adoption. Unlike John McCain who HAS ADOPTED A CHILD FROM BANLEDASH.
When I vote, I want to know that the person is more qualified that me. Having worked for the government for 32 years, I can honestly say at this point, that my experience outweighs BHO’s experience.
GOOD JOB YA’LL.
It’s either cheating or racism!
If he looks in the mirrow, he’ll order a bigger seal, don’t you know the secret? I have resist reading the book, but I understand, that he’s his bible. His team probably think he did a good job, let’s keep them thinking that and praise the baby jesus. Maybe he’ll use the same “charm” when he goes into the debates.
That was sad and not taken very well in our house. Clarence Thomas grew up 2 miles from where my husband lived in Savannah, GA. The village was called Pinpoint. It was so small it didn’t have a post office and very poverty stricken! Thomas raised himself up to become a Supreme….that is saying something….My husband is very proud to see a fellow Georgian make it to such a well respected place in society!
Now let’s compare Obama to Thomas…
Did Obama get a clerkship when he graduated from Harvard? NO.
How many opinion papers has he published? “0″ (amd certainly none as Editor of the Harvard Law Review!)
How many cases did he try before a court? The only one I am aware of is on behalf of ACORN and their “motor voter case”.
What has Obama ever done but write 2 books with in accurate recollections of his life!
I think Thomas out shines Obama by far….Obama is all about him, maybe a little envy or spitefulness….envy because he could never attain such a position or spite because Thomas didn’t pick him as clerk! Tkae your pick!
Navyvet48, we feel your pain. Throw your tea in the harbor and vote your heart. It is time to take our country back!
Character before marketing; country before party. Clinton or McCain 2008; no other viable option for our country.
pam — Obama becomes more childish with every passing day. Give it up Backtrack maybe even the media is tired of breast feeding this kid.
All the little Obots are screaming and melting like the witch in Wizard of Oz. They lash out at the PUMAS, yet they really need to be upset with Obama himself.
Obama is the Obots worst nightmare.
McCain won hands down. When even Upchuck Todd conceded that McCain was the best, you know how stinky Obama’s performance was. When Traitor Taylor Marsh suggested lessons, you know the Obots are having a terrible time justifying their loyalty to Obama.
It was McCain’s night and McCain’s win.
Obama was weak and not sure of his answers to Warren’s questions last night.It was just a forum but Obama showed his weakness once again.This is why Obama does not accept Senator McCain’s challenge to have a town-hall meetings with him and the two of them accepting unscripted questions from the audience.
Remember when he lost to Hillary at their last one-to-one ABC debate? There will be a repeat humiliating performance of Obama when McCain debates him. Obama will ask his wife and grandma for help!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
Do you think Obama will give McCain the finger the way he did to Hillary? Somehow, I doubt it.
Damn that McCain, showing off his integrity and experience. He must be a dirty racist.
Please don’t tell his beautiful brown child that he is a racist. I’m sure barry will get around to it again! That was so funny when he said he did not look like the president on money. I wondered what JM daughter thought? Hey Daddy, am I a racist for not supporting the brown man?
Barack Obama told black fathers during his many Preacher-in Chief sessions that their responsibility does not stop at conception. But Obama in his pandering mode at Saddleback church could not answer the question: WHEN DOES A BABY GETS HUMAN RIGHTS. To quote Barack Obama, “Answering that question with specificity is above my pay grade?” I am prochoice. But Barack Obama just did not answer the abortion question. I am sure while John Mccain beliefs are prolife, he will not do anything to overturn Roe V Wade because it takes more than just a pro life president to overturn that statute.
Obama wants to appear centrist and is ashamed to admit he is a liberal. I wish he would just answer the darn questions and stop trying to be love by everybody. JM was very clear with his views and beliefs, That is what I am looking for. Now I know why Obama shifts on us on major issues. I have no clue to Barack Obama core beliefs.
HRC would have been great in this type of setting.
Experience Won Over Celebrity – you are right about Roe vs Wade NOT being overturned if McCain is President. Everyone from the Supreme Court on down know how explosive this issue is and the best thing is to leave it alone. It would not happen in 4 years for sure. No one should flinch when the Obama spokespeople try to threaten us into voting for Obama with ‘the judges’ scare tactic.
flaming-dirigible bad:
craptacular …CRAP CANNON adjective? Bloody Brilliant new word for BO.
“Craptacular flip-flopery”
McCain reached 45 percent in the Daily Gallup poll, and as far as I can see, this is a new high for him. Every time BO and McCain have tied, it’s because BO dropped in the poll, not because McCain jumped up. McCain is getting better while BO languishes.
Check the Gallup and Rasmussen tracking polls on Tuesday or Wednesday, which will then fully reflect the impact of last night’s Saddleback event.
I will be surprised if McCain isn’t actually ahead by 1-3 points.
My husband and I are old seadogs…both Navyvets not taken to tears too easily but McCain was so real with his “from the gut” answers especially about his time in captivity, we were moved to tears. Both my husband I have been known to be silent about our service to this country because our experiences have been very trying at times, not easy to share, and not easy for non-military people to understand! I don’t always agree with McCain but I agree with him on when a baby’s life begins….at conception (cell division and all….that is life!). Another remarkable thing about McCain he has a wonderful sense of humor!
And hands down ne won last night. Obama as usual stuttered too much making him difficult to follow. His questions were too (borrowing a word here) ethereal for me. Obama has no policy positions because he has no”core values” (I wonder why?)…that he sticks too!
McCain was brilliant….he interjected his policy positions into his answers. We very clearly know where he stands! Obama not so much…..THE GREAT FLIP FLOPPER!
Nice to hear from the Navy. I’m a Navy brat — born and raised on US Naval Air Bases.
Most or nearly all of the military (retired & Active duty) where I live don’t like Obama.
In my opinion Obama just has no concept of “military culture”. Which is sort of interesting since Obama grew up on an island with a very high density of US military.
My father and all of his brothers enlisted in the Navy. My grandfather fought in WWI, France, US Army. Which is why he advised his sons to join the Navy. Military records from both sides of my family go way back to the French and Indian Wars.
My family’s history isn’t unusual, but typical. Military service, service TO country runs deep in this country. Very often military service is a way out, a means to pay for an education or training.
Obama simply doesn’t understand the famous JFK quote: “Ask not what your country can do for you– ask what you can do for your country.”
Obama is trying to steal this from JFK — but he has no concept of the meaning of service to country, (specifically military service) because it is all about Obama.
Obama has a dislike (hatred) of military personnel. And this could be because he grew up in Hawaii. Many locals have a love/hate relationship with the military.
The ol’CDS is back – they want to “exorcise the Clintons”!
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/exorcism-pea-soup-on-obamas-coming-out-dress/
It is becoming painfully clear that Obama is an utter farce, he doesn’t deserve to be on the same stage as McCain.
Obama cannot answer simple questions without stammering all over the place and trying to talk around the question, quite frankly he is a complete embarrasement.
What has Obama ever done for others? He gave hardly any money to charity until the last two years when he decided to run for president and felt it was in his best interest not to be so stingy. Obama just expects everyone else to give their time and money while he sits on his royal ass.
He didn’t deserve to be on the same stage with Hillary!
Whether some deem Saddleback as irrelevant, it did take a pulse of each candidate in regards to issues many, many Americans hold dear.
McCain came off as a POTUS and reached out to a far larger number of Americans.
Obama came off as interviewing for a position he doesn’t have the qualifications for.
While Obama thought his answer about Michelle would endear him to women voters, it may have had the opposite effect. Both men and women know a negative influence when they see one.
America doesn’t need to be a willing participant in Obama’s fantasies anymore. Tough love is what is required here. Obama will be better off being allowed to just live in his head rather than being thrust out for all the public.
This November, we have to make sure a leader becomes POTUS rather than a fanciful boy with a huge imagination.
Clinton or McCain 2008
PERFECT! Well said!!!
McCain came off as a POTUS and reached out to a far larger number of Americans.
Obama came off as interviewing for a position he doesn’t have the qualifications for.
McCain smoked um, uh… oh yea, Barky’s butt!!!
Hillary or McCain ‘08!!!
********************a l e r t ***************
OBAMA’S BEST-SELLER MARKETED IN INDONESIA WITH TITLE OF COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MEANING.
JIHAD: JAKARTA TO THE WHITE HOUSE
(To allah the Power: Jakarta to the (done deal?) White House
HARDLY THE “AUDACITY OF HOPE,” NES’T PAS?
DOESN’T HAVE A HIDDEN MUSLIM AGENDA YOU SAY?
OOOKAAYYYY.
Thoughtfulness=EMPTYHEADEDNESS
Thoughtfulness=EMPTYHEADEDNESS
Spot on the money!
Only one thing to say “Hillary” God Speed
While I would uh, say that ummm, all things considered; I ummm think I would say it was something I’m not qualified to uhh speak about. Let me uhh, just say I’m, I’m ahhh …….
Jesus answer the question and show us where you really stand on the issue (for the day that is). Guess he didn’t want to offend anyone.
All that hemming, hawing, and straying from the topic drives me nuts. Every time I listen to him, I get this picture of GWB talking about “fool me once, shame on you” and stepping all over the punch line, completely oblivious to how it sounded. Oblahblah is the same way only more verbose.
Still on my Propaganda kick regarding O. That little jewel of hemming and hawing is referred to as well:
historians.org/projects/giroundtable/Propaganda/Propaganda5.htm
katmoon — Hillary was a better candidate because the media hated her. Obama just phones it in because he knows he will get good press. It made him very lazy–when the media turns against him he will be defenseless.
Hillary showed true leadership under unbelievable pressure and bias.
What the DNC is expecting her to do on behalf of obama is not only painful, it’s criminal.
The DNC robbed the American people! They will pay a heavy price for their crimes against democracy and the will of the people.
Kathleen, the DNC is going to pay big time. I for one will not vote for any neo-Dem that endorsed the candidacy of an inexperienced candidate during these very serious times in our history. I know I will not be alone. If the DNC is rewarded for its behavior; it will begin
a fascist state in America that will rival what happened in Europe during the last century.
Throw your tea in the harbor, and make a stand for your country. We need to secure the checks and balance that our founding fathers wrote into the Constitution. A republican POTUS with a Dem Congress should keep us safe. “Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
NavyVet48. Hello. I’ve missed seeing you at Camille’s site. Hope you didn’t get offended by some of the people there. I was lurking all that day and evening. It seems that alot of what artskyr has been predicting is coming true about everyone being on short tempers. I think it is the frustration of knowing that there is so little time to stop the damn train that is derailing in front of our eyes and we have no “superman or woman” who can jump in front of it and stop it from happening.
alforHill — I left there earlier because I could feel the anger.
NBC’s Andrea Mitchell Floats Idea McCain Cheated
OMG–
Click the link to see this article. Obama just simply cannot take responsibility, can he?
Poor Andrea…its got to suck having to push the obama propoganda talking points cause your boss tells you thats what you got to do if you want to keep your job.
Andrea Mitchell is not the only one floating this idea. Per Rick Sanchez on CNN, McCain was not in a so-called “cone of silence” while Obama was interviewed. He was not yet in the building. As for his whereabouts, they are yet to be determined. Possibly listening to an operative via cell phone or watching it on television while on his bus perhaps? Tune in to find out…
Kelvin.
How much koolaid do yu drink daily?
And what color is your tongue? Blue? Green? Red? or is it brown?
You forgot the link.
I have seen the coverage, though.
What is Andrea saying, that the good Purpose Driven Minister “cheated” and gave him the questions in advance?
PLEASE.
For some reason I can only post links in my name (?) It’s newsbusters . org
I guess the idea that McCain cheated came from the Kos blog-apparently everyone agrees McCain won then!
Obama doesn’t have experience, didn’t have all 300 of his advisors in attendance and didn’t have a teleprompter. He gave his standard, wishy-washy, flip-flopping answers so that by the time he got done you couldn’t really tell what he stood for! (Reminds me of that politician in “Best Little Whorehouse in Texas” –dancing a little sidestep.)
McCain could answer plainly because his beliefs, his record, his ideals have all been documented for a few decades! Obama’s own autobiography contains fictional characters!
(Has anyone else noticed that Obama prefers to answer questions by directing people to his website or passing out pamphlets? It’s much easier when you’re relying on 300 people to come to a concensus. Someone needs to test the guy on his own written positions!)
DID IT EVER OCCUR TO THE MAIN STREAM OBAMA ASS KISSERS THAT…
…if you have experience and are presidential material you should not have any problem answering those questions?
Those were not what is the theory of relativity, or what is the gravitational pull of mars on interstellar objects at 60K kilometers.
You don’t need to him haw and talk to your media consultants before you answer them.
Those were questions directly related to character experience and position.
It was clar McCain has the character, experience, and ability to be commander in chief.
Barry doesnt have anything but hype.
Andrea Mitchell has no shame and is off her rocker just like the rest of the MSNBC crowd. I don’t think anyone is having to hold a gun to her head to get her to speak positively about “The One” no matter how badly he performs. Andrea openly cried on TV when Tim Russert died, and we all know how completely dedicated Russert was to getting BO elected. I think the whole crew is fulfilling Russert’s legacy for this election.
Hi s.hall. Me too. I think we should take a page from Bill’s book and just chill awhile. This is so frustrating. It is exactly what BO stands for divide and conquer or so he thinks.
McCain sucks!
Obama sucks more.
We the people, in order to preserve our more perfect union do hereby declare that we shall take the one who sucks less.
Well I’ve watched as much of BO’s part as I could. For someone that the ‘media’ seems to think is such a charasmatic presence he sure is dull.
I hope this isn’t racist, but most African-American politicians in a similar format would do a WHOLE HELLUVA LOT BETTER. Imagine Jesse Jackson (Sr. of course) or Charlie Rangel or Stephanie Tubbs Jones or even Al Sharpton. They would OWN that type of interview. To a person they’d be personable, funny and, Jesse especially, would probably have you tearing up at some point. BO? Nothing.
Again, I hope this isn’t racist…but Barack Obama has got to be the most BORING black man on the planet. I think John Kerry would be a more exciting.
I thought they both did well. Obama connected in terms of talking about his personal faith, while McCain did an excellent job portraying himself as decisive. It was definitely McCain’s home court.
They both stuck to their core beliefs instead of pandering to the audience, which was good.
All in all, I’d give McCain an A- and Obama a B.
Fraancis,
I thought Obama was overreaching in his faith truth. I do not believe he is a Christian-there is something that rings hollow when he speaks about the scriptures and he seems to be trying to prove the point over and over. I wonder if he is offending humanitarian atheists and Jewish people with the Christian over-focus because I have never heard another president try to speak of his faith or religion other than briefly and to the point. Hillary speaks of her faith with great conviction but always in 1-2 sentences and not pulling out bibical scriptures. McCain was great. I give him
an A. The most I would give Obama is a D-Dt with a stretch. His own team said he needed a debate coach and that was a one-sided debate. dorianb
dorianb, I agree about the ‘ringing hallow’ when BO speaks of being a Christian. I remember him answering a faith question a few months ago by saying, “I pray to Jesus at least once a day.”
That is not a particularly moving Christian testimony or even ‘Christian’ answer. Most devout Christians (as I think Obama is trying to present himself to be) would say they are constantly in prayer or that they are in a continual prayer mode, meaning they feel they are in the continuous presence of God. His comments sound very carnal, not spiritual. The Christian talk is something he thinks he has to do in today’s world of politics and to use as some kind of show or proof that he is not muslim.
Obama Tanked hard. McCain Hit a Home Run! What the hell were you watching? Sesame Street?
More fantasies and disparagement about, well, everyone here … compliments of the consistently vitriolic Christina “You’re a Racist” Baker:
http://www.yestodemocracy.com/
Obama’s people stole many of Clinton’s ideas and plans. Obama refers people to his site, because he cannot recall what he did not have a hand in creating. Obama’s candidacy is as Big Dawg pointed out “a fairy tale,” created by Axelrod and the best political machine Soros’ money can buy. Look for them to steal ideas from McCain. (Can Obama adopt a child before the election?)
Christina is clearly lefty democrat an-American scum
Fight back!
http://www.yestodemocracy.com/yes_to_democracy_no_to_pu/2008/08/larry-johnson-i.html#more
Even if Hillary were the nominee, I’m afraid the Democratic Party could not recover from the damage Obama has done and McCain would win…
What a squandered opportunity…
Remember the old cartoon with Pepe Le Pew? How he was convinced that he was the one we all had been waiting for?
And, so goes Obama. He is convinced that even with repeated poor performances – he is going to get elected this fall. The GOP has done all they can to hand the DNC a clear victory to the WH. They (GOP) need a Dem in the WH to blame all of the current woes (that will not be going away anytime soon) . Except, as we all know, Obama is tanking. His poll numbers are in the crapper. He can’t speak off the cuff because he has no experience to draw from.
Too many of his responses were so discombobulated that they were hard to decipher what he meant – or, if he meant anything at all. He didn’t have Hillary to copy from. As NQ said, “uh, yeah – what she said” ,… “except, uh, ah, uh”…(Incoherent ramblings which continue for 10 minutes uninterrupted).”
This morning’s news reflected his less than stellar job last evening. As we know, they are constantly trying to spin in his favor. They actually reported on both McCain and Obama. Anyone who watches the news for more than a day, knows that means that Obama did a super stink-o job.
Truly, if the Democrats want to win this fall – they need to get up off it and go with Hillary. Obama should be at peak performance right now. Even with all of the love from the media, even with them and the DNC trying to manipulate the outcome of this next presidency, even with the GOP choosing a 71 year old man as their candidate – Obama isn’t double digits ahead. Dukakis was double digits ahead at this point and the media hated him.
I heard one talking head refer to the forum as “Obama’s Dukakis moment”. Yep, that’s the way I see it too.
BTW, Larry: I had somehow missed the ugly “yestodemocracy” site. I had to check it out due to the references here. Truly Loontunes but I found that we have taken the same evolutionary route…I, too, initially thought Edwards would be the best chance for a Democratic win; always loved Hillary but thought her negatives would be overwhelming for her but when JE dropped out, and I listened to her debate, I knew she’d be great. After 40 years in the Democratic party, I went Independent as of 6/1 and decided if not Hill then McCain. If that makes me a Republican in their eyes, at least the Repubs have a patriot as their candidate and one for whom I will be proud to cast my vote.
Country before Party /
UMA
McCain did great.Forward and stright.
Obama again babble What the heck was “Pay Grade” I about fell of my chair.I didn’t watch it on CNN-MSNBC or anything.I saw it here.I refuse to wqatch msnbc-cnn,and haven’t for many months now.Why give the rateing to a joke of a media?
FEC Investigation of Obama Eligibility
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Federal-Elections-Commssion/index.html
I am sick of the lies from this empty suit. Barack Hussein Obama needs to produce a legitimate birth certificate
The FEC needs to step up and do its job regarding Obama’s Birth Certificate AND the question of his dual citizenship. A US president doesn’t just have to be born here, he or she cannot have, or HAD, dual citizenship EVER.I am sick of the lies from this empty suit. Barack Hussein Obama needs to produce a legitimate birth certificate
Ok let’s see how a set up joke of Denver convention will be.Another trick to try and get us to unity and fall in line behind and DNC and Obama who cheated and stole as well as planned this election.They didn’t care of our will or vote then and they will not get it now.I have never saw an election in my life such as this.Bush was bad as well with the media who chosen him.as well as Opera to.Bush was the one as Opera chose him as well.It makes me wonder how and why they do this.but maybe it’s the money to control to keep us not getting what is due to us in a long time,Fairness-
Well from what I heard and saw in an email that.Hillary will give a speech at the convention and then releashe her delegates to Obama.but mean while the DNC is taking Hillary’s delegates and giveing some to Obama.The saying and thinking to them is that they want to be even in men and women as delegates.HUH? So they take Hillary’s again.Isn’t delegate choose who they want?So why take a move around.I guess it’s maybve the ones that are for Obama are switched with Hillary and placed there and Hillary’s are taken so they have to do what they are told to do fro Obama and threatren along the way to make sure they don’t move.And that’s how they are playing this npw.This is wrong and controlling the people.If the DNC has to do this then they are worried and want to make sure Hillary releass her delegates by setting more in for Obama before the convention.Well I am not and will not vote OBAMA-or will I ever support him.I am voteing McCain if it’s not Hillary.I will not ever fall in line.I saw so m ush BS and lies and cover ups it’s unreal.And the really bad treatment of one of there own democrats(Hillary) and her supporters.
I remember Obama saying before the last two races.”I will get Hillary’s supporters” UM NO HE WON’T.
Hillary or
GO MCCAIN!
Obama,uh,um,look,uh,I,I, Ok …NEVER OBAMA.
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