Saddle Up
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on August 17, 2008 at 10:22 AM in Al Qaeda, Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Flip Flopping, Foreign Affairs, GLBT, Iraq, John McCain, Lobbyists
There was a big event last night, one that has not received a lot of press yet. No, I am not talking about the Saddleback Forum in which McCain schooled Obush (see, that’s what happens when Obush doesn’t have Hillary to follow and say, “Uh, what SHE said, except, uh, ah, uh…(Incoherent ramblings which continue for 10 minutes uninterrupted by the fawning Campbell Brown - heck, insert ANY MSM host there.)” Obama/Obush made a BUNCH of ridiculous statements. Here are just a very few, and then I’ll get to the big event: Here is just one:
Q. WHAT’S THE MOST SIGNIFICANT — LET ME ASK IT THIS WAY: WHAT’S THE MOST GUT WRENCHING DECISION YOU’VE EVER HAD TO MAKE AND HOW DID YOU PROCESS THAT, COME TO THAT DECISION?A. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I’VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES BUT ALSO BECAUSE SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS A BAD PERSON AND THERE WAS NO DOUBT THAT HE MET AMERICA ILL.
BUT I WAS FIRMLY CONVINCED AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT AS I SPOKE TO EXPERTS KEPT ON COMING UP, DO WE KNOW HOW THE SHIITES AND THE SUNNIS AND THE KURDS ARE GOING TO GET ALONG IN A POST SADDAM SITUATION, WHAT’S OUR ASSESSMENT AS TO HOW THIS WILL AFFECT THE BATTLE AGAINST TERRORIST LIKE AL-QAEDA, HAVE WE FINISHED THE JOB IN AFGHANISTAN?
SO I AGONIZED OVER THAT AND I THINK QUESTION OF WAR AND PEACE GENERALLY ARE SO PROFOUND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MEET THE TROOPS, THEY ARE 19, 20, 21-YEAR OLD KIDS AND YOU ARE PUTTING THEM INTO HARM’S WAY THERE IS A SOLEMN OBLIGATION THAT YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET THAT DECISION RIGHT.
AND NOW AS THE WAR WENT FORWARD, VERY DIFFICULT ABOUT HOW LONG DO YOU KEEP FUNDING THE WAR IF YOU STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT’S NOT AMERICA’S NATIONAL INTEREST AT THE SAME TIME YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE TROOPS WHO ARE OUT THERE WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED. SO THAT ALL THOSE QUESTIONS SURROUNDING THE WAR HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME.
Say WHAT, OBush?? YOU did not have to make ANY decisions on the War in Iraq! YOU were not in the SENATE yet!! How in the WORLD does this guy get away with these blatant lies and mind-boggling (delusional) revisionist history??
Wait - here’s another goody. Oh, dear goddess, McCain is going to have a FIELD day with this statement come August 28th. I’ll show you why after the question and answer:
Q. ABOUT THE COMMON GOOD, THE COMMON GROUND AND COMMON GOOD. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A TIME YOU KNOW A LOT — I’VE SEEN A LOT OF GOOD LEGISLATIONS GETS KILLED BECAUSE OF PARTY LOYALTY. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU WIN(went) AGAINST PARTY LOYALTY AND MAYBE EVEN WIN (went) AGAINST YOUR OWN BEST INTEREST FOR THE GOOD OF AMERICA?
A. WELL, I’LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE THAT IN FACT I WORKED WITH JOHN MCCAIN ON AND THAT WAS THE ISSUE OF CAMPAIGN ETHICS REFORM AND FINANCE REFORM. THAT WASN’T PROBABLY IN MY INTEREST OR HIS FOR THAT MATTER BECAUSE THE TRUTH WAS BOTH DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS OR OF LIKE THE STATUS QUO AND I WAS NEW TO THE SENATE AND IT DIDN’T NECESSARILY ENGENDER A LOT OF POPULARITY WHEN I STARTED SAYING YOU KNOW WE’RE GOING TO ELIMINATE MEALS AND GIFTS FROM CORPORATE LOBBYISTS.
I REMEMBER ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES WHOSE NAME WILL BE UNMENTIONED WHO SAID, WELL, WHERE DO YOU EXPECT US TO EAT MCDONALD’S? AND I THOUGHT WELL, ACTUALLY, A LOT OF OUR CONSTITUENTS PROBABLY DO EAT AT MCDONALD’S SO THAT WOULDN’T BE SUCH A BAD THING. BUT I THINK THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET A BILL PASSED THAT HASN’T MADE WASHINGTON PERFECT BUT AT LEAST IT MOVING THINGS FORWARD.
Ready? Here is a letter from Senator John McCain to Senator Barack Obama from FEBRUARY 06, 2006 issued as a Press Release:
The Honorable Barack Obama
United States Senate
SH-713
Washington, DC 20510
Dear Senator Obama:
I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere. When you approached me and insisted that despite your leadership’s preference to use the issue to gain a political advantage in the 2006 elections, you were personally committed to achieving a result that would reflect credit on the entire Senate and offer the country a better example of political leadership, I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable. Thank you for disabusing me of such notions with your letter to me dated February 2, 2006, which explained your decision to withdraw from our bipartisan discussions. I’m embarrassed to admit that after all these years in politics I failed to interpret your previous assurances as typical rhetorical gloss routinely used in politics to make self-interested partisan posturing appear more noble. Again, sorry for the confusion, but please be assured I won’t make the same mistake again.
As you know, the Majority Leader has asked Chairman Collins to hold hearings and mark up a bill for floor consideration in early March. I fully support such timely action and I am confident that, together with Senator Lieberman, the Committee on Governmental Affairs will report out a meaningful, bipartisan bill.
You commented in your letter about my “interest in creating a task force to further study” this issue, as if to suggest I support delaying the consideration of much-needed reforms rather than allowing the committees of jurisdiction to hold hearings on the matter. Nothing could be further from the truth. The timely findings of a bipartisan working group could be very helpful to the committee in formulating legislation that will be reported to the full Senate. Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues. In fact, I urged Senator Collins to schedule a hearing upon the Senate’s return in January.
Furthermore, I have consistently maintained that any lobbying reform proposal be bipartisan. The bill Senators Joe Lieberman and Bill Nelson and I have introduced is evidence of that commitment as is my insistence that members of both parties be included in meetings to develop the legislation that will ultimately be considered on the Senate floor. As I explained in a recent letter to Senator Reid, and have publicly said many times, the American people do not see this as just a Republican problem or just a Democratic problem. They see it as yet another run-of-the-mill Washington scandal, and they expect it will generate just another round of partisan gamesmanship and posturing. Senator Lieberman and I, and many other members of this body, hope to exceed the public’s low expectations. We view this as an opportunity to bring transparency and accountability to the Congress, and, most importantly, to show the public that both parties will work together to address our failings.
As I noted, I initially believed you shared that goal. But I understand how important the opportunity to lead your party’s effort to exploit this issue must seem to a freshman Senator, and I hold no hard feelings over your earlier disingenuousness. Again, I have been around long enough to appreciate that in politics the public interest isn’t always a priority for every one of us. Good luck to you, Senator.
Sincerely,
John McCain
Ahem. So it would seem that, once again, Obama was lying through his teeth. Like his “My mother was a poor single mother and I grew up without a daddy,” which is ALSO in this transcript regarding his “moral failings.”
Okay - as promised, here is the big event of the night in California. Ellen and Portia Get Married, Obama, on this night, also touched on same-sex marriage. When asked to define marriage, he told Warren, “It’s a union between a man and a woman.”
“For me as a Christian, it is a sacred union. God’s in the mix,” he said.
Obama added that he does support same-sex civil unions, saying, “I can afford those civil rights to others even if I don’t have … that view.”
Gosh, Obush - don’t tell Ellen and Portia that you think MARRIAGE is between a “man and a woman”! The night you made this pandering comment they did just that - so what are you saying to THEM?!?! And how freakin’ magnanimous that you are willing to “afford civil rights to others…” What a guy!! Gee - it must be hard to sleep at night with all that twisting and turning, flipping and flopping…
No wonder Obushits are becoming worried, seeing a tougher path than they thought…We could have told them. Wait - we HAVE been telling them!! After performances like last night’s, this should be another big ol’ WAKE UP CALL for the Superedelegates. This man is NOT COMPETENT to be the Democratic nominee, much less the PRESIDENT. *Ring, ring* - it’s the clue phone, SDs, and it’s for YOU!!!!
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
PROOF that Obamanation did NOT vote against the Iraq war. See if you can find Waldo!
U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 107th Congress - 2nd Session
as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate
Vote Summary
Question: On the Joint Resolution (H.J.Res. 114 )
Vote Number: 237 Vote Date: October 11, 2002, 12:50 AM
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237
Most astonishing of all: THE MSM completely MISSED THIS. Completely. I scanned the Washington Post article last night. Nada. That was after going to the NYT and not even finding a story titled on the front page.
They’re all going gaga over that swimmer — well, fine — except that he has advantages that no previous swimmer ever had.
In fact, O’Bush is another Phelps…. the media have handed him a “magic swimming suit” so he can swiftly pass all the others.
I`m waiting for him to adopt a white child and argue some relative of his signed the constitution.
Ok, thanks…there went the coffee. Great laugh!
LOMAO…HARP….You mischievious imp….
Good Article Rev. Amy. What does Barry have to say to removing the words Lesbian and Gay from the Demofascist party platform.hmmm….
LMAO!! Please warn us before you do that!
Now I have to clean my keyboard!
When HARP is on a roll….Tis best to keep beverages on a separate surface….chuckle….
Hmm…what advantage does Phelps have against other swimmers?
I think the point is that compared to swimmers before this Olympics, and certainly during Mark Spitz’s time, swimmers did not use caps, they did not have super sleek swimsuits like they do now, and all of that. They even commented on the differences between Mark Spitz and Michael Phelps when the two were being jointly interviewed (never mind training techniques have improved GREATLY since Mark’s time, along with all of the other stuff).
And HARP - I am SO glad I had actually swallowed my cappuccino before I read your comment!!
It’s amazng, isn’t it?? He essentially claimed to be in the US SENATE for that vote! C’mon, already - that is beyond delusional!
ANd you can just see the ac for McCain with the lobby reform - they’ll have Obama’s voice going on and on abt his work with McCain, and McCain’s letter to him up on the screen, at least the first paragraph.
I was originally against Obama simply because I thought he was a waif in the woods that would be totally in over his head a president, just like Jimmy Carter was. But lately I’ve come to believe that he’s also a conniving, duplicitious, lying scumbag. God help us if he actually gets elected.
Ehemm…Welcome to the….FRINGE…Dan R…..Hope your clinging skills are up to par….chuckle….
*** OBAMA IS A FASCIST AND UNFIT FOR ANY ELECTIVE OFFICE ***
Obama is a fascist?
McCain is the guy with deep, current connections to a fascist, warmongering, neoconservative organization: the Project for a New American Century. These are the guys that brought you the War in Iraq. These are the guys with a plan for Iran. And these are the guys who are currently pushing NATO into former Soviet block nations, right on Russia’s borders. These are the guys who might bring you World War III.
Ditto.
While I think Obama is not qualified by any number of measures, to be president, he did not claim to be in the US Senate at the time of his opposition to the war.
He said that his decison had political consequences. Nothing less and nothing more.
Perhaps he was referring to his desire to run for the Senate at that time.
He does enough stuff to thoroughly disqualify himself, one doesn´t have to put words in his mouth.
maybe if you read a little bit more you’d know that this is just one of many times he’s referred to “opposing” the war, and has a history of stating “I voted against the war”.
I was replying to the response to his comments of last night, period. So much for the ¨many times¨ qualification of your response.
As for my reading a bit more, well I shall let that pass.
I put my time in the service… 8 years on active duty, likely before you were born and earned the right to comment and/or oppose anything I wish.
As for the war in Iraq, this old man was demonstrating in Tulsa (my home before retiring) by standing on street corners with many, many others carrying signs in opposition to the war in an effort to forestall the decision to invade Iraq.
What did you do to oppose it, if I may be so bold as to ask?
It’s a sin of omission. When he speaks of his position, he never clarifies that he had no ability at that time to cast a Senate vote. He encourages people make an assumption. Because he sort of popped up from nowhere (for most of us) unless you know about him, it gets related to his being a US Senator.
I agree that he as enough other baggage to disqualify himself but people put words into his mouth because he tends to leave out the relevant ones.
I’ve had numerous Obamabot claim that Obama has been a US Senator for 12 years. Different people, different places — and they all came up with that statement. “It’s on his website — go to his website”. Is also a favorite reply to any questioning of Obamaling’s positions.
Although we know Obama hasn’t been in the US Senate long, and that his role in the Illinois Senate was was puffed up to pad his resume — Obama has successfully presented another reality to his followers.
At this point Obamaling is probably delusional enough to believe his own BS.
The word delusional gave me and idea. I will now call Oliar, Dr. Delusional. Why not? He pretends to be what he is not so I’ll label him Dr. Kind of like mad scientist Dr.
Dr. Delusional…or should we call Dean that?
“I’ve had numerous Obamabot claim that Obama has been a US Senator for 12 years.”
WHAT??!??
That bold-faced liar got elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004!!! He was in NO elected U.S. Congressional position to vote for the Iraq war!!!
And just where in HELL do these douche-bag Obamabots get these lies from???
They’re probably stealing John F. Kennedy’s resume. Or mixing them up, but you can thank Obama himself for not bothering to correct that assumption/mistake and for fostering the whole “I am John Kennedy” crap.
annie
He began his entire candidacy based on some speech he gave in 2002 saying he was against the war. Again, just words and no one of any importance during that time even knew about him or this speech. Joe Wilson, a Clinton supporter and the man who courageously wrote the NYT editorial refuting Bush’s uranium from Niger claim stated that at that time there were very few media or politicians going up against Bush and since he was one of them he would certainly have heard if BO was on the scene. This guy is a PHONY, from the beginning. When he did get in the Senate he voted to keep funding the war, what a joke. “It’s only words and words are all I have to take this nomination.”
Obama says that “the opposition to the war in Iraq was as tough a decision that I’ve had to make . . . because there were political consequences . . .”
What exactly did Obama do to oppose the war? In 2002, he gave a speech at an anti-Iraq war rally in Chicago. This is what NPR had to say:
The speech was given at an anti-war rally on Oct. 2, 2002…..Jessie Jackson was the main speaker. Obama’s speech went mainly unnoticed. He had not yet announced his run for the Senate, although now he claims he risked his political career. Of course we know that there was NO risk in running against Alan Keyes, all Obama had to do was breathe..
There was no video of the speech. Any video you see has been a recreation.
That’s the extent of Obama’s “gut wrenching” decision. He attended no marches. He made no other speeches. He was not a member of the US Senate at the time so could not vote.
In July 2004, he had this to say: “There’s not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
At the 2004 Democratic National Convention, he said, “I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. What would I have done? I don’t know.”
I don’t think Obama has ever in his life made a gut-wrenching decision. I don’t think he cares deeply enough about anything, except himself, to be gut-wrenched!
Bill Clinton was right. Obama’s stance against the war was, and is, a fairy tale.
I don’t see how that position had political consequences except that he is now able to use it to get on the ticket since he is a one-issue candidate.
Can’t you people even read? The friggin transcript is right here. He did not say he voted against the war. He said he did not support the war. The ends you go to to bend the truth to fit your little lies is sick.
So, by looking at the US’s own Senate record; I see that one Illinois Senator - Senator Durbin voted against he was with Irag and the other voted for the war. Hmmmmmm
I cannot believe that THIS MAN TRIED TO SLIP IN THE FACT THAT HE VOTED ON THIS MEASSURE WHEN HE WAS NOT EVEN A MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS. WHERE DOES HE JUST GET OFF? if HE SAYS IT THEN IT BECOMES GOSPEL/ I REALLY FIND THIS MAN A DISGRACE TO THIS PARTY AND A DISGRACE TO OUR USA BY EVEN ENTERTAINING THE NOTION THAT THIS IDIOT COULD BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT. WAKE UP PLEASE AMERICA AND SUPERDELEGATES HAVE SOME GUMPPTION AND STAND UP FOR OUR AMERICA ISN’T THAT WHAT OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING YOU TO DO? GO BACK TO THE 16TH DISTRICT OF CHICAGO and crawl under a rock and organize THE USA DOES NOT NEED YOUR MISGUIDED INEPT “JUST WORD” BCRAP!!!IT IS SIMPLE WE EITHER MAKE THE CHANGE IN Denver OR IT IS GOING TO CHANGE IN A LANDSLIDE VICTORY FOR McCain!
DOOH !…..This was how Barry increased his momentum into the national spotlight….THIS IS THE FAIRY TALE WJC WAS TALKIN ABOUT….Obfuscation is a common tactic taught in Law School and aint’ just for breakfast anymore…
Living in Chicago in March, 2003 and having a clear memory of the events that unfolded the day his “headline speech” was made, it’s more than a fairytale, it’s an outright lie! We must remember he represented the Hyde Park community of Chicago. Hyde Park, where on every newsstand, Mother Jones is displayed next to the Sun Times. What else could he say? The rally was lead by Jesse Jackson and he was one of many speakers that evening. The streets of downtown Chicago were closed because of protesters and there were several anti war rally’s held that night. This one where he made his famous speech was not even covered by the local media. He was an announced canidate for the senate at that time not expected to win the nomination, yet this was the speech that lead us here.
Again, I recall this like it was yesterday, because that night cost me a $5,000 deposit for an event I was holding for a local canidate and it had to be canceled because of the protest. Also, he was an invited speaker and had RSVP that he would attend. And, by the way the canidate I was holding the event for was covered that night on every local station.
Excellent OBSP…..thanks for the info….
So that is why Jesse is so ticked off? He led the rally and no doubt spoke out strongly against the war and now Barack JR. CLAIMS (with no substantiation) to have given the definitive anti-war speech that is the basis of his claim on the Presidency.
Given John McCain’s letter, these experienced older politicians had a lot in common - they were both used by Obama to further his enormous ambition.
Fairy tales indeed.
I agree OBSP. Almost the entire city was anti-war. What Obama said and did was equal to standing up at a Cubs game and declaring “The Cubs are gonna win the World Series”. If he was wrong no biggie he was playing to the audience. Unbelievable the amount of mileage he is getting out of this. Shortly after this I was at a bar on Bourban street, (Chicago for those who are not aware), when a rather obnoxious drunk went on a tirade about the war. He then vomited and passed out. I wonder where this guy is, I wonder if he is aware that because of his drunken tirade, he could be a shoe in for elected office. The whole thing is much ado about nothing. Yet this is the sole reason millions of minions are voting for him. “Fairy Tale” is a vast understatement it is a real “American Tragedy”.
Where were you when everybody “jumped” on WJC
for his comment about Barack’s “fairy tale”
with regard to the Iraq war?
Why don’t you hit the airwaves at FoxNews NOW? There’s still time to put his actions in proper relation to reality…cause based on his “words” at Saddleback…he doesn’t.
Working Class Artist
I disagree with you. Law School is certainly not the place they teach obfuscation and muddled thinking! They do teach you how to think precisely, clearly and to get to the bloody point by ignoring the multitude of Facts and going for the Issue! That takes analytical skills, not confused minds.
I must confess to you, though, that my confusion stems from fact that I can’t see how Obambi even got through the first semester’s exams! He’s a typical English major (no offence, I was one too in another life!) and, as such, he employes the Virginia Woolf “free narrative” with his prose flying all over the place unstructured…bla bla. His stutteringly obvious lack of comprehension of the issues discussed during the debates with Hillary and his attempt to answer the questions were not really intentionally confusing by him. He just can’t think logically, and can’t respond in a thorough, issue-oriented fashion like Hillary!
He’s a perennial 1st Year University Student.
My question: How the hell did he get in Harvard Law School. Was it under Affirmative Action or as mature student based on his “community thugging” work?! I’m mystified!
Obambi is a confused individual. How could he ever give clear answers when he doesn’t even know who he is? But he’s arrogant and narcissistic enough to go for the Top Job anyway!
Obambi’s best career move is to revise his anorexic resume and submit to SNL for the rapper-wannabe’s job! He has my references for the two skills he needs:
FLIP-FLOPPING and
FLIP-OFFING
Let’s hope that this arrogant misogynist rat is sent packing back to the Chicago political sewers that nourished Him!…
Nobama ‘08
*not an obamatroll! honest, Larry!
To paraphrase an old adage:
A madman builds castles in the air.
A neurotic lives in them.
Someone suffering from NPD declares himself ruler of them.
And a lazy electorate believes them all as long as there’s a :30 video clip on the same device that regularly shows the world being blown up and people being shot one week and fully recovered the next.
Why do we believe anything we see on TV? It was designed to show us fantasy, and has never strayed from it’s original goal.
Bbbbut….Grail….TEEVEE makes things More Real than Real…mkay ?…lol
Obama didn’t say that. If you had actually bothered to listen to his presentation last night you would know what he said. If you bothered to read a transcript you would know what he said.
I need to remind all of you..Obama made a speech..he was not an elected member of the US Senate at the time of the vote to give the President war powers in case the UN Peacekeepers found something. 90 US Senators signed that bill to give GB authorization to use those powers. Mrs Clinton voiced her opposition to using the power prematurely, which ultimately Bush did. She and the majority of Congressional Members agreed that the threat Saddam posed was real based on the doctored intelligence proffered by Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and George Bush.
Obama never voted on that resolution in the Senate. Since his election to the Senate-he has voted exactly the same way Clinton, Biden, Kerry and others voted with regard to the funding.
>>>>AT THE SAME TIME YOU DON’T WANT TO HAVE TROOPS WHO ARE OUT THERE WITHOUT THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED.
Obama parrots a rightwing talking point!
Voting against war funding and supporting withdrawal did not include leaving troops on the battlefield without food and bullets!!!
NObama!
If making a speech against the war qualifies you to run for president, then several hundred of my companions and I, who spoke out against the war in 2003, are more qualified than Obama.
None of us see anything special about what he did because he could have used his stature as an Illinois State Senator to speak out forcefully and often against Bush’s plans. But he didn’t so he has no right to a moral highground.
Did you know that Obama’s famous anti war speech was given on behest of a Marxist friend of Obama for a group called “Chicagoans Against the War” a coalition of radical labor, marxist and socialist groups in Chicago………? Isn’t that copying or AKA plagarism? Does the man write anything that is truly his and his alone?
PROOF THAT OBAMA COMPLETELY DID AN ABOUT FACE ON HIS “VOTE AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR”:
(New York Times 7/26/04) :”I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don’t know…”
[Chicago Tribune, 07/27/04] :”…There’s not much of a difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
[The New Yorker, 10/30/06) :”…I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.”
WHEN OBAMA TAKES CREDIT FOR HIS STATEMENT AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR (in his part time job in the Illinois State Senate) HE FAILS TO MENTION THAT, LIKE JUDAS, HE COMPLETELY TURNED HIS BACK ON THIS “VOTE” WHEN THE WAR WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. I HAVE YET TO HEAR ONE ANCHOR/PUNDIT CHALLENGE HIM ON THIS!
Ai1een,
Yes. Obambi was challenged on his inconsistencies by I believe Olberman and Anderson! It’s on yotube, but can’t recall title. I’m sure you’ll find it, tho! Incredible chutzpah this guy has! He lies with a straight face. Could he really be the Messia. Maybe that’s why he’s doing the Evangelical tour these days…Zeus help us!…
Let’s see, what happened in mid-July 0f 2004? Why the Democratic National Convention. At which Obama gave a speech. How did the Democratic nominee (Kerry) vote on the Iraq war resolution? In favor of it. So it is clear to any person with half a brain that Obama as using the intelligence reports as a way to make cover so he would not have to contradict the vote of the Democratic nominee. It’s called being a team player (putting your agenda behind that of the nominee at the convention at which you gave a speech.)
Had Obama not made cover and came out strongly against the resolution om contract to the nominee, everyone here would hold that against him as well. Typical screw him if he does, screw him if he does not blogging.
Ted - You’re damx right all of his backtracking took place at the time of the Democratic Convention!!! DUH? Who DOESN’T know that…especially on this site. Sadly, YOU are the one who is missing the point entirely. Obama said last night, essentially, that he was proud of himself because he stood up AGAINST the status quo and voted his CONSCIENCE and how difficult and daring that was for him.Everyone knows that the cornerstone of Obama’s entire Presidential campaign is based upon this BOGUS claim (i.e. FAIRY TALE)that he “voted” against the Iraq war. Yet, you are saying that when the Convention came around and Obama did a complete 180 on this stance, we are all supposed to “understand” that he did this to support the team. Bullshix. Obama is staking his ENTIRE candidacy on the fact that he (supposedly) has the INTEGRITY to stand up against all odds and vote for what’s RIGHT. If that is so, then he should have been able to stay true to his belief with a few measley reporters. He did not. Obama backed away from his anti-war stance because that stance did not serve the OBAMA MISSION at that point in time.PERIOD and OBAMA serves OBAMA…PERIOD.
Obama, like Bush, is creating a fiction by repeating the same thing over and over again as if said enough times it will be true. Sad part is that occasional listeners and readers may only hear the lie and never hear the real story.
We have suffered 8 years of embarrassment from BUSH.
Now we have a candidate, Obush, who is a further embarassment. OKAY. The jokes over. Get him off the stage.
Eight years of Bush, and you’re gonna vote for McCain because you think his democratic opponent is Bush?
Maybe you should all consider having CT scans.
I could compile a list of important points where Bush and McCain are absolutely identical longer than Yoa Ming’s right arm.
So what is it that makes Obama Bush?
They’re both dumb as two sacks of hammers and they both think they are God’s gift to the world.
why do i get the feeling that every time an obama supporter is presented with factual information that clearly shows obama is a loser, their subconscious mind tells them:
You’re not going to let me live that down are you Garfield? Haha. If it makes you feel any better, I got hammered by a bot after going after you.
as felines, we must unite and stick together as a cohesive unit!meow. . . i mean ROAR!
(LOL. Have to have some fun during this season or else we will go batty.)
One of those predictable little mantras, that takes the place of analytical thought…
That’s exactly the sort of thing that put Bush in office and kept him there for a second term. It’s exactly the sort of thing the republicans are relying on to put McCain in office when Bush leaves.
What does Jesus think about lying?
Hmmm….Martin I think that would depend on which Jesus you’re talkin about..
If you mean the Historical Jesus ( A jewish Prophet who most main stream christians recognize as the Christ predicted in the Old Testament )…..Well this Jewish Jesus who was a sharp critic of HYPOCRITES would be very upset…..
If you mean TUCC’s Jesus who is A BLACK GHETTO FREEDOM FIGHTER FIGHTING JEWS AND ROMANS AGAINST CRACKER OPPRESSION OF THOSE IN THE HOOD…..then Lying in order to overthrow Imperialist Eurocentric Crackers might be justified in the PLAN to KILL GOD…..according to Uncle Jerry and his friend Ayatollah Louis….
Also lying for Islam is exceptable. Here is a sight to go to read about “Taqiyah”. It is very chilling and it fits Obama.
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
Things are addin up….so to speak….Cuzin Kaddafi and Ayatollah Louis as well as Uncle Jerry have gotta be so proud of Lil’ Barry Soeteroobama…no ?
Thanks for this site and article. It reveals Obama for what he is. He uses every technique discribed in this article. Everyone needs to e-mail the SUPERs this site over and over. They need to be swamped with this before the convention. Maybe the film covering their sight will be lifted in time.
If Obama is using this as his guide, then the next question to discuss is: How many Democratic leadership members does he have something on, like Edwards sudden change of support for Obama after West Virginia; remember how Elizabeth Edwards was speaking out in support of Hillary? Does anyone have any special line of communication to Elizabeth Edwards? What would she have to lose now if she told the truth about “why her husband conveniently came out in support of Obama at a critical time in the primaries.”
Couldn’t say it better myself, WCA!!
Oh - and lying is a violation of one of the BIG TEN, so there’s that…
The Historical Jesus made it all so simple….Love the Lord God With All You’ve Got…..and Love Your Neighbor AS You Love Yourself….
In the end…GAY RIGHTS Will have to be acknowledged as a CIVIL RIGHT by the AA Clergy/Politicians….Just Like WOMENS RIGHTS….WHY ?
Because JESUS SEZ….NOBODY HAS A CORNER ON GOD….AND HUMAN RIGHTS APPLIES TO ……WELL…..HUMANS…..( paraphrasing here )
AA Clergy/Politcians just don’t want to share the pie with anybody….AA Clergy/Politicians act as if Civil Rights is a patented Concept that they own
THEOCRACY IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF FASCISM…..JUST SAY NO
And Number I has long been thrown under the Bus.
Moses is probably rolling in his off-to-the-side grave.
This Jesus in the second paragraph frightens me.
/runs and hides
I think Obama has discovered a new medical condition…RBS…..Restless Brain Syndrome.
It always pissed me off….Barry’s obvious manipulation of confusion within young or ignorant voters with the term senate/senator and never making the distinction of FEDERAL vs STATE….The MSM NEWSPORN was actively complicit
and this is a big part of the formula of Barry’s RISE ON A SEA OF BULLSHIT…and will be instrumental in Barry’s EXILE TO POLITICAL OBSCURITY….Where Gary Hart and John Edwards are serving Cocktails on the Ledo Deck….chuckle….
I can’t wait until Barry joins them. The wait for a fru fru drink here on the Lido deck ridiculous.
Off topic, but I just heard NM Richardson aka Judas state that she would have a roll call and that she WILL pledge her delegates to O. Any thoughts?
Apparently he is hosting 2 fundraisers in NM to help retire the debt. He stated he had been uneasy until the details of assigning HRC’s delegates to O.
Judas has OD’d on the koolaid. Since when are delegates sheep to be led from one pasture to another? What is this myth that is being perpetuated? All Hillary can do is release her delegates from their obligations to her. She can’t force them to vote for Barky Soretoes.
That is my point…why is the myth continuously being perpetuated by O’s camp? What am I thinking? Barky doesn’t even know reality.
Barry knows it….He is counting on the laziness of his typical supporters…
Text message Foreign Policy anybody….chuckle….
Ha! AS IF Hillary is gonna tell Judas Richardson ANYTHING about what she’s gonna do! His job for bambi is to spread the propaganda du jour - and to dig the knife into the Clintons as far as his fat hands can stick it - he knows NOTHING.
If either of the Clintons EVER speak to that a-hole again, I’d be quite disappointed - and surprised.
you are soooooo right. Here in New Mexico, Hillary won, Richardson had made speeches prior to the win that he would support whoever the constituents (we voters) voted for. The lying POS, flipped on Hillary hoping to get in good with Obama. I hope he gets a job scrubbing toilets at the White House if Obama wins. But, just a dream as McCain will kick Obama’s and Richardson’s butt all over the map in November!
People who have constructed their past lives in order to present themselves in the most palatable way have the problem of keeping their story straight. That’s what is happening with Obomoron.
I have a mentally ill friend who frequently see something in a movie then assimilates it as an experience she has has herself. The problem is, the next week she sees a different movie, and her “experience” is entirely different. This is so reminiscent of Obama that it’s eerie. From a medical standpoint, I believe this is related to his NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). It is not uncommon for those suffering from mental disorders to suffer from more than one at a time.
So I do not condemn Senator Obama for the symptoms of his medical condition, but I also cannot support him in any public capacity, nonetheless President of the US.
Who I do condemn are the morons who are ignoring his condition and foisting him on the American people. (And before people go off on me, I don’t hold Obama blameless - at least my friend is willing to openly admit she has a problem and seek treatment.) I am beginning to wonder if Obama is not being used because people like Dean, Farrakhan, Ayers, Soros, et al. realize he has a disease that most Americans do not recognize.
In any case, this must be stopped before we have a literal madman trying to run this country. What these people don’t understand is that once he elected, they will no longer be able to control him, and they will have handed him the world on a silver platter. The last time this happened, more than 6 million were systematically murdered to appease the paranoia of the madman.
IF he would release his medical records, along with
the birth certificate
his Selective service enrollement
his passportS
his change of name record
his records from ILL Senate
etc
etc
etc
We would be able to see what mental conditions he has been diagnosed with and probably add to the list of those he should be tested for.
Of course he won’t release any of that (which should make him ineligible for nomination) so we won’t know until after the convention when the GOP releases it for him.
Chiten,
I have come to accept the fact that the Democratic Party nomination is a fait accompli for Obama. I can only pray that the Republicans will truly unleash the demons after the convention. I’m having severe doubts that they don’t consider an Obama presidency good for their overall scheme.
We need complete medical records. I have been saying since the beginning of the primaries that Fraudbama is mentally ill.
katmandu — that is the real problem for Obama. McCain and Hillary can speak about issues without getting tongue tied because they have core beliefs which don’t change with every audience. Obama’s only core belief is winning and making sure he is the same as his opponent on every issue. He has done this for a long time–but now he looks lost as the media finally calls him on his lies. I can’t see why any liberal would vote for him as he backtracked on everything he promised. If this is post modern politics–I will take the old fashioned kind.
I think the Primary season needs to start a little later than Christmas. Super Tuesday was so early that nobody knew what kind of scum Obama was soon enough. If they had, we wouldn’t be having this trouble right now.
The DNC needs to set a date, after Groundhog’s day or something and let states go in whatever order they want to go in instead of favoring certain ones. If every state goes on the same day, so be it. Of course if they all go on the same day, it shouldn’t be three or four months before the convention either.
We should have had one big primary in July after they campaigned wherever they wanted to and gotten it over with.
From the words of the Great Waylon Jennings:
Always tell the truth, then you don’t have to remember what you said.
Judge Judy said that too. All the Great Ones think alike. : )
I was really PO’d yesterday, listening to the radio in the car. A newscaster/DJ/obvious Obamoron was reading/interpreting the “news” and said, “Hillary Clinton will have a roll call vote at the Democratic Convention. Obviously, this is risky. (pause) But there’s no way she will get the many many delegates she needs to win.”
Risky for WHOM? And who is this idiot that she can predict how many delegates are voting? Everyone is freaking out, but Heidi Li Feldman puts it best:
Of course, this would mean that Dean and Pelosi have a “minimal degree of competence.” This election season has again proven one thing to me: One can have medical degree or an Ivy League education and still be an idiot. (See George W.)
This pandering on the gay rights issue is egregious — especially after the Stonewall et al. groups lobbied ceaselessly for decades — and have finally made some strides in the party platform.
I’m sorry, Amy. Do you ever stop feeling pained by remarks like these? (In a way, for your sake, I hope so. But, so you’ll keep fighting, I hope not.)
His new new improved and new abortion position is a shocker as well … never use the word “never” especially when your recollection is as haphazard as his appears to be. I thought that Bush could spin. He’s an amateur next to Soretoes.
The strangest part is how many things he is saying about abortion at once. On the one hand, he refines his position to pander to evangelicals: women can’t have abortions, if they are a) feeling blue b) crazy c) we want to change the world, so women don’t have to have abortions i.e. make fathers stay and raise children in their perfect man-and-wife marriages. BUT now he has to spin his blocking BAIPA in the IL senate for two years. He is lying and saying it was different legislation, and the wording was meant to infringe on the reproductive rights of the mother.
Susan - I don’t know that anyone can ever get over their country and leaders not seeing them as fully human. Or for all of their citizens to not enjoy all the same rights. To hear our LIVES being used as political footballs (and I know the GLBT community doesn’t hold exclusive rights to the latter). We have been sold out, sold under the bus, and run over so many times in the past that I think there is a sense of “same-o, same-o.” But that is precisely how they continue to get away with saying the kinds of things Obama did last night.
Hillary, OTOH, has stood with us for years, and said quite clearly that she would get us ALL the same federal benefits enjoyed by our heterosexual brothers and sisters. Without her pushing for that, I think the next time these issues are raised again won’t be in 2009. That is, not a damn thing will change until the next election cycle with this current crowd.
Amy,
I would like to have seen in your post your perspective as a minister. There are Christian arguments to be made for same-sex marriage. Reform Jews have been recognizing and performing same-sex marriages for years.
Don’t let Obama get away with defining the debate as having “God in the mix.” Didn’t God make you, too? That’s what the Reform Jews certainly believe. I thought most UCC’s did, too. Isn’t that what Obama claims to be?
Please consider posting an update with your Christian perspective.
“How McCain Won Saddleback”
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MTBjN2RkY2Y3ODZhYmRmYTZjYTI1NTQ4ZGNkM2Y2YmU=
Awesome on Saddleback! Clear, concise and logical. It reflects exactly what I saw. McCain was true, a real person.
I watched the entire debate. Obama did really well I thought for not having a TelePrompTer. No speech writers. But, his charisma was all gone. McCain FAR out-shined him. Obama was void of any emotion on every question. You could tell several times that certain questions affected McCain. The adoption question. The Christian question. The abortion question. I cried when he was asked about going against the Republicans to work with Democrats. (OK I admit it I shed a tear several times during his Q&A.)He told his Reagan story and then he said, “It will always be country first for me.” He meant those words.
Has anyone ever read what John actually has said on abortion? Not Roe V Wade, on abortion. I did last night. I wanted to know why it seemed like such and emotional issue for him. He believes that life begins at conception. But, he also believes that in cases of incest, rape, even if a rape kit was not preformed, women should be allowed that option. On late term abortion he talked about what happened with my daughter. The infant dies while inside the womb, there are serious medical problems with the mother or infant. He teared up last night when he talked about both abortion and adoption. Which told me those aren’t issues he takes lightly, that he struggles with.
I wanted so badly to see any type of emotion from Obama last night because I thought he was doing well. Which surprised me, but I didn’t see any. No empathy for anything or anyone.
Both Obama and McCain described marriage as a union between one man and a woman. Obama made it look like he was willing to make a great sacrifice of his own beliefs to allow other’s the privilege of a union. (I did not think he did well on this question)McCain said that there are other forms/types of unions, and that they should be allowed the same rights and privileges as all other Americans. However, that it should be voted on state by state. He said that if they voted to allow it in AZ he would stand behind it. Almost everything with McCain was by the will of the people. The vote of the people. Offshore drilling, marriage, etc…
Anyway, McCain also wanted to talk about Georgia and the cease fire with Russia. While they’re sending more troops and digging deeper into Georgia. Talked about all of us praying for them. Americans serving a greater good then themselves to help other Americans or those around the globe with charities. Human rights issues. Coming out of our homes to help one another.
I’m still going to wait for the convention, then afterward should things go the way I think they’re going go I will get behind McCain 110% of the way.
Last night was a test for me against myself. I wanted to make sure I wasn’t just against Obama because of what happened with Hillary. It’s not. I saw the real Obama last night, he did better than in any other time I have saw him. He still would not be my choice for president. Nor would he ever be. I need a president that puts deep thought into what he says and does. Not, I’m willing to sacrifice my own beliefs to please others.(Exactly what turned me off with Romney.) “ME” It’s not about you Obama, it’s about us. We the people. I need a president that understands for every action there is a consequence. Good or bad. I also need a president that I know will stand up for not only America, but the American people. Obama is not that president.
What a difficult thing to speak about Diana. I know you did not speak of it for any empathy, but you have mine anyway.
Minor point
I watched the entire debate
I have seen this word “debate” used in connection with the forum last night.
There was no “debate”. There was a very clear picture, above and beyond the “religious” context of the forum, that BO is incapable of “any type of emotion”…(see Hillary about that one).
A man who covets indifference as a way to advance his station in life, is by definition not a leader.
In the beginning of the forum BO was asked who he might look to advice in a BO admin.
He mentioned Sam Nunn and Lugar on foreign policy and Kennedy (god bless him but I fear he won’t be around for him to give advise) and Senator Coburn (of all people! He who is against abortion)
Not one mention of Hillary Clinton in any of it. Just once, I believe, did he site President Clinton OR Senator Clinton and then to say he was against welfare to work…that women would be “kicked off”…
What does it say when he won’t pay even a passing compliment to his Opponent that he would not seek out their advice? Or Clark or all the other experienced people under this bus.
Again Diana, thanks for your powerfully written post.
Gay Americans have every reason to believe that they will be persecuted if Obama is coronated in November, and probably quite severely by way of a “show of faith” to the black community. Only the One will be allowed on the “down low”. And, of course, Michelle.
Thanks Grail, I just regurgitated a little of my breakfast.
Sorry - didn’t mean to convey those images over breakfast!
grail guardian — Every Democratic constituancy will be under the bus if Obama gets to be President. Obama will be tied to only one constituancy that small coterie of Billionaires who financed his run. He will be the front man for them and will do their bidding without uttering a sound of disapproval.
Fascist is as Fascist does…S.Hall……Astute and to the point…..Well done
I’m gay and I’m not voting for BO. But I can’t vote for McCain either.
db — I understand how you feel. We have been dumped by the Democrats and the Republicans aren’t pandering to us either. However, Obama’s ties to the middle east scare me enough to vote for a man who will keep our Democracy safe–and thats good enough for me. The mind boggles at Obama’s real agenda.
If you knew that your ‘not voting’ is a vote for Obama, I believe you could pull the trigger for McCain.
Grail, you really touched on an important issue. As a Massachusetts resident, I saw some very strange bed fellows during the public fight over gay marriage. Black civil right leaders, black pastors joining forces with the loudest, most homophobic intolerant religious nut cases. Some was understandable- many black pastors mistakenly thought gay marriage would be yet another threat to already threated black families. But many leaders were just incensed that gays used the term civil rights. It was just bizarre to witness. Strange bed fellows.
The African American community has been one of the most vocal against GLBT rights and marriage. And unfortunately they adopt the philosophy that “an enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
O-hole has no honor. He’d do well in the used car business with all his double talk and deception. I swear he is an addict. Promises to quit in one minute and partakes the next, over and over again.
I copied this post. This website may give you another rational for why Obama practices double talk and deception:
Comment by pasmalltowngirl | 2008-08-17 11:20:40
Also lying for Islam is exceptable. Here is a sight to go to read about “Taqiyah”. It is very chilling and it fits Obama.
The word “Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing, precaution, guarding.” It is employed in disguising one’s beliefs, intentions, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions or strategies. In practical terms it is manifested as dissimulation, lying, deceiving, vexing and confounding with the intention of deflecting attention, foiling or pre-emptive blocking. It is currently employed in fending off and neutralising any criticism of Islam or Muslims.
http://www.islam-watch.org/Warner/Taqiyya-Islamic-Principle-Lying-for-Allah.htm
Colorado 45.3 45.8 McCain +0.5
Virginia 45.7 46.3 McCain +0.6
Missouri 45.0 47.3 McCain +2.3
Michigan 46.0 42.8 Obama +3.2
Ohio 46.0 45.5 Obama +0.5
Florida 45.4 47.2 McCain +1.8
These are some of today’s poll numbers. Obambi will go down in November. WTF is the Democratic party thinking. Is it really worth losing the White House just to get revenge on the Clintons?!!!!!
Revenge on the Clintons and those pesky women…
Any of you old enough to rememeber who said this??? (1972)
“I stand before you today as a candidate for the Democratic nomination for the Presidency of the United States. I am not the candidate of black America, although I am black and proud. I am not the candidate of the women’s movement of this country, although I am a woman, and I am equally proud of that. I am not the candidate of any political bosses or special interests. I am the candidate of the people.”
Sounds like Shirley Chisolm. She was an amazing woman!
In a word…..YES
I believe you have hit a very
AMY! Fantastic piece, I love the Mccain letter to the Glorious ONE.
Looks like the ‘ol man was kicking the puppies ass back in 2006.
Very good RRRA, I can only guess what more lie’s will be exposed in ads … good job.
Divide, I am sure the GOP and 527/s have just finished some humdingers after last nights dismal performance.
So many lies, so little time.
PKJ,
I think so too; mccain has a lot on money he has to spend before his convention. I’m starting to think the shine has worn off this new car eh..
Indeed it has, and now people are starting to look under the hood.
McCain bought major ad space during the convention….Gonna be fun
He may have graduated near the bottom of his class at Annapolis due to excessive partying, but it’s EVIDENT that he stayed awake in those “old school” Naval Correspondence classes.
This line is frigging PRICELESS:
I would like to apologize to you for assuming that your private assurances to me regarding your desire to cooperate in our efforts to negotiate bipartisan lobbying reform legislation were sincere.
Talk about sticking it in, and TWISTING it!!!
OUCH–that had to hurt!
BAM!!! Right in the KISSER!!!!
Obama didn’t answer because he didn’t understand the sarcasm or was to lazy to read it. Kind of reminds me how all the bots only see and hear what they want cause they don’t know how to read between the lines.
There’s more to McCain than meets the eye and I always appreciate clever humor.
Here is Obama’s WORM on the issue, and what to look forward to in the fall debates, likely why Obama refuses open debates with McCain, he’d be destroyed in minutes and it wouldn’t be pretty….lol
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060206-sen_obama_and_s/
If you read McCain’s autobio, he was a voracious reader, and loves literature. He didn’t do well at Annapolis because of his rebellious streak. Following his grandfather & father’s legacies as Admirals, he was a maverick then too. The war humbled and matured him. I do not agree with him on many policy positions, but as Hillary said: “He’s a good man with bad ideas.” There is no question that he has strong principles and depth. And BO? Not so much.
I always get a kick out of Obamabots who try to rip McCain because he graduated near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy.
YO! THE GUY GRADUATED FROM THE UNITED STATES NAVAL ACADEMY!!!! Trying to cut him down because he “graduated near the bottom of his class” is like trying to criticize an Olympic sprinter because he didn’t make it 100m finals! Just to be IN the Olympics is an significant achievement, as is being accepted to, and graduating from, one of the US service academies.
The “O” sleeps very well I’m sure.
I have seen no evidence to date that he ever does any “soul searching” or displays any remorse for any of his actions!
With the aid of the MSM, he justs drifts through “LA-LA” land!
The Pelosi Party is a disgrace…and I will be blessed by leaving!
Narcissists are incapable of soul searching. You’re right, Obama sleeps well at night dreaming of his fantasy rise to leader of the planet.
I’m all for turning on the light and giving Obama sleep deprivation, just to get him to go away. Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile, the little DNC nightmares can go into political oblivion with him. Anyone heard from Tom DeLay lately?
Buzz Latte… I disagree LOL.
He is stuck at night dreaming of how he can get Senator Clinton from being a re-accuring nightmare of his own creation.
He wakes up to ??? UG.
Narcissists are incapable of soul searching. You’re right, Obama sleeps well at night dreaming of his fantasy rise to leader of the planet.
I’m all for turning on the light and giving Obama sleep deprivation, just to get him to go away. Dean, Pelosi, and Brazile, the little DNC nightmares, can go into political oblivion with him. Anyone heard from Tom DeLay lately?
Obama said:
A. WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I’VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES
At the time not even the Chicago press cared what their State Senator said in front of like minded folks at an anti war rally.
I wish I had that youtube vid where he says if he had seen the evidence the other Seantor’s had he would probably have voted for it.
And, as previously documented, this courageous speech that no one even covered - not even what little press was there - took place in October. The O didn’t even announce his run for office until January (?). Political consequences? He based his career on this alleged opposition! Oh my, how the O has suffered for taking this stance. And the biggest joke of all is that if you manage to track down a transcript of this fabulous reconstructed speech, you realize that part of the reason it’s kept in the closet is because he makes some pretty inflammatory comments about Saudi Arabia and Egypt. What a piece of work this Manchurian candidate is!
POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES…
There you go again, thinking only of yourself Barry…
I just find it shocking that we are yet to have one single substantive debate between our two presumptive nominees. Obama refuses to town hall with McCain but he can take the time to talk about abortion, gay marriage, and how Jesus saved his soul. It’s disgusting. How about a debate on missile defense, the weakening dollar, the war, social security, education. For goodness sake, keep jesus off my penis and let’s talk policy.
and out of our vaginas!
I hope the Obamatrons enjoy the coming months when Obama trashes everything Democratic to pander to the Evangelicals that he thinks are going to get him elected. He thinks he owns Obamanation, and after they way they’ve betrayed the “old” base and groveled before his neo-wonderfulness, no wonder. This is the neo-dem party. The post-gay, post-choice party. We were baggage; now we’re gone.
I am in a better place now Annie.
annie Oakley — The Democratic Party screwed the pooch when they said they didn’t need us anymore. They are speaking about White Workers, Seniors, Boomers and Women, etc. We vote in every election and we will not vote for Obama. There are millions of Democrats who will not who never heard of PUMA but will not vote for Obama because they don’t trust him. Now Howard Dean seemingly in an effort to marginalize the Democratic Party even further has called the Republican Party the white people’s party.
The party I identified with all my life has Alzheimers. The only intervention I can offer is a complete wipeout in November.
Priceless.
Exactly, the Obama campaign and others are busy setting up the new base; felons, homeless, and others that cannot be bothered to register and vote without being paid. These are the folks that may very well choose our next president if Republicans and Dems don’t vote for McCain in mass.
don’t forget the deceased
Even the environmental movement - the people that fought all their lives - not so important. No, now environmentalism gets its legitimacy from its ow-so-late adoption by Evangelicals - the same people who helped the Republican Revolution battle us on every single issue from healthcare to human rights to workers rights to the environment.
They already got GWB. Whose time has come?
God, what a liar BO is.
this is completely off the subject, But I just wanted to let you know, PUMA is so fameous now you are being Mentioned on AOL Black Voices. Yes Ladies and Gentlemen you are now worth mentioning by black people. LOL congratulations, it must be Obama tanking last night,that has them all riled up. Of course you are being called racist and washed up, but still just that they mentioned you is wonderful. obama must be really wetting in his pants.
We’ll see who is washed up Nov 5th.
If they know your name, then P.U.M.A is strong enough to scare them. And everyone knows that name calling is just schoolyard bully tactics. Scare them more as your PUMA Pack protects Hillary’s back at the Convention.
A Clinton P.U.M.A. here…..
Clinton P.U.M.A here — noBama here
Again, I am only a sieline observer, but did anyone notice how OB was sitting sidesaddle and constantly looking down as he was addressing the questions and JM was sitting straight forward and looking at Rick and the audience… maybe it’s just my imagination, but it looked like OB was looking at a script to read off of..just saying
Pastor Warren was trying to get the candidates to show their “authentic self”, Obama does not have one.
Geesh he was making my neck hurt. I thought he looked like he had flip-lash, oops, I mean whip-lash.
flip-lash…..that is a good one. lmao
I thought the camera was of tilt, ’cause BO’s head looked like a broken bobblehead doll. His spring bent to one side.
and when he does talk to the audience, he moves his head side to side. I see him do it every time. It’s so annoying.
If Obama keeps this crap up, Doodad will ask for his money back.
That is very funny!
Obama going off:
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx
I have NEVER seen such BULLSHIT AND TRIPE as the nonsense that is ALLOWED to go UNCONTESTED from this idiots yabbering mouth!!
Hillary and WJC always contested the Fairy Tale BS that came outta BOBS’s mouth…..nuff said….
Now it will be McCain’s turn
sjc-tx — Does Obama ever change his clothes? I am so sick of the Dark Gray suit. However, I must admit that its the only thing about him which is consistent.
Notice his subliminal “CHANGE” sign in the background. Does he carry one with him where ever he goes? He may as well have it tattooed on his forehead.
sorry there is no more room.
“STUPID” has been tattooed on his forehead first.
Love that!
I have come to the conclusion that The absolutely perfect solution to this whole primary would be a McCain/Hillary ticket. The country desperately needs to come together as centrists to heal and fix the mess created by the Bush neocons and end the insanity of the obamanation left idiots.
Let the radical left and radical right wingers start their own 3rd parties and quit mucking up everything and together they can commiserate with their clinton hatred and lick each others wounds.
can you say neocentrists to offset the neocons and neoliberals?
I second that!!!
roseeriter — I would love it. However, I think McCain dashed that because the Right would never accept a pro-choice VP.
I know and the left will never accept the war party, but the COUP of the two of them would be brilliant. It would shock and awe and we’d have a moment of glorious silence..LOL! and they both have great credentials that no one can really argue with. I want some compromise. The country is tired of political party grid-lock and that is only going to get worse if Obama wins. Obama will be so busy appeasing both sides, forget what he said and nothing good will ever get done.
umm ha umm Let me just clarify this!!!
If only both political parties would for once be for the good of the country.
A ticket with both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain would be the best thing that could happen for this country.
We need competence not party politics at this time in history.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
I agree Helen, this moment in time our country NEEDS unity and not the bonehead kind Obamnation is offering PUMAs
But wait…
Check this out today from our “friend” (NOT) Nedra Pickler from the AP:
http://my.earthlink.net/article/pol?guid=20080817/48a7a240_3ca6_1552620080817197810703
Ditto, McCain/Hillary! How awesome! The country would breathe a sigh of relief that would be heard “round the world”!
He can “afford those civil rights to others”?
When did Obama become supreme ruler of the country?
Well, the “others” should now be eternally grateful that Obama has magnanimously “afford” them those civil rights.
Barry Soetoro, AKA Barrak Obama, a name that will go down in infamy, a disgrace to his 50% caucasion race and a disgrace to his 44 1/4% Arabic race, and the other 4 3/4% race do not give a damn.
What I couldn’t believe was his rambling reply
(and did he have many of those…yawn!) of his saying well he thinks gays should be able to visit in the hospital…huh?
And the number of times he said uhhhh…lost count after 50!
Oh and his “typical white” grand-mama didn’t go to college…poor grand-mama!
bunchick — however she paid for that expensive education he was given. What a f’n waste of money.
bunchick
Obambi’s “typical white grandma” was the Vice president of a Bank” and they could afford a daughter who was a privileged hippie of the ’60s and who could afford to go globe-trotting to finish her Ph.D. (she never did) on Indonesian-global cultures. Sounds as if Barry Soetoro liked the gypsy life,too, of couse only if it was subsidized by Typical White Grandparents! Typical, eh?
1) You don’t have to be in the Senate to be against the war.
2) The question didn’t specify “in the Senate”.
3) He did stake out an anti-war position. It was his speech and policy letters that helped launch him to National prominence in the first place.
Wait, what speech? Is it the speech that no can seem to find a record of? That one? Or is it the one that, because no one could find a record of the original speech, he had transcribed on his home page? Is it that speech?
And he took down because it caused some flack? There have been some fabulous stories on a website hosted by a not too happy AA blogger in Chicago that talked about Soretoes taking it down when he was being feted by the Democratic Leadership Committee … they weren’t flattering at all.
“http://baratunde.com/blog/archives/2008/02/correction_obama_did_remove_the_2002_speech_from_his_website_temporarily.html”
This speech, Xax:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%27s_Iraq_Speech
October 2, 2002. You can’t claim there was no speech. Chicagoans Against The War in Iraq was a well-attended and well-publicized rally.
Andrew — Chicagoans against the War–Whoa thats a tough group to get on your side. Actually they were against the war already and Obama the State Senator must have made a really big splash in the Newspapers? Nah there isn’t any record of the speech–he probably never gave. However, there are records of his voting for every war appropriation.
There are plenty of records of his speech. It’s quite clearly reported on in the archives of the Chicago Times, among other Chicago-area publications, and it was reference in Time Magazine; remember, it was that speech that brought him into the national eye.
Wrong - there is no actual recording or report on the verbage of his speech that night. Axelrod got his hands on some film footage (taken from a distance and without sound) and Obama came into Axelrod’s studio months later and they dubbed in some audio.
What Obama actuallly said at the rally is not and will never be known.
gee…dee…it worked for the chinese olympics…chuckle….
Oh, but politically he put it all on the line. He was only ahead of Alan Keyes something like 75% to 25%. His courageous stand could have cost him the election! /snark
There IS an archived record of Obama’s speech on Wayback–the web archive–that was automatically archived by them in 2002.
http://web.archive.org/web/20021217033809/www.obamaforillinois.com/news.shtml
Look at the entry for Wednesday, October 23, 2002.
Do you think Obama might have falsified his speech six years ago? If so, you’re nuts. He wasn’t even running for the U.S. Senate at that point.
Try fact check.
It is that pesky thing that proves that when backtrack is breathing he is lying.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Come On, Get Real! Did you read this speech; it is obvious it is one written within the last year. It addresses points that weren’t discussed during that time frame. IT’S on
Wikipedia, not a reliable source. Anyone can contribute what they want.
What about a video of the speech? What about a newspaper article discussing the speech that can be found in the newspapers archives? Hey, can we sell you the Brooklyn Bridge? It’s a great bargain!
If the person who placed this on Wikepedia were smart, they would have been a little more fuzzy in their points; they wouldn’t have discussed point by point our viewpoint of the war NOW in 2007-08. But, NoBAma doesn’t even understand how to stop sounding like he is already a sitting PROTIST or more accurately, a crowned monarch. “we can afford those rights to others”
He keeps using the “royal” we.
“QUESTIONS ON WAR AND PEACE ARE SO PROFOUND” but that does not seem to be the case when it came to his cousin-ODINGA- in Kenya who was responsible for the murder of several hundred innocent people. Obama campaigned for that thug even as the killings continued.
harvey — the divided loyalty thing. Obama was making policy in Kenya which goes against the US Foreign Policy to support the sitting president. This is what we can expect if Obama gets in. Israel duck and cover.
Anti-war activists have reported that none of them knew about Obama. He was not a prominent anti-war voice. It’s a complete myth. And what has he done to oppose the war since he’s been in the Senate? Absolutely NOTHING. It’s a complete “fairy tale.”
You don’t have to be a “prominent” anti-war voice to have a hard time coming to a decision to oppose a war that has popular support agitating for it; Obama was still staking out his political career and it was a very risky move; had the political winds been at all different, he would have be consigned to obscurity then and there.
Fee Fi Fo Fum I smell the blood of a bullshit artist!
If you like. I’m simply pointing out that many people were politically buried by opposition to the Iraq War in 2002, so for a newl minted State Senator, a public anti-war position would be politically risky, don’t you think?
I’m not saying it’s courage on the scale of climbing a burning high-rise to save twelve orphans or something like that, but you can’t argue the literal truth that the anti-war position was political poison in 2002. Not even Senator Clinton could bring herself to vote against the AUMF.
Andrew — what has this man ever accomplished in his life to make you think he should be President? His comments on the Russia/Georgia conflict show that he has no knowledge of the region. With 2 wars and an economy in free fall we cannot afford this post modern A** hole.
The real Obama is invisible because he has morphed himself into whatever is needed at the time–except for that Dark Gray suit he wouldn’t be able to find himself in a crowded room.
I disagree. His comments about the Georgia situation are perfectly appropriate; Georgia incited the war in a two-faced first strike while talking peace; plus, the United States right now has no ability to project significant military force in Georgia; taking sides in this situation might feel satisfying, but without the ability to project military force, it’s empty blustering. You said it yourself; 2 wars.
On the other hand, lacking a military option, by encouraging that both sides restrain themselves, you leave the diplomatic option open with Russia.
Taking Georgia’s side squares you off against the Kremlin and eliminates your chance of getting them to back of diplomatically.
Taking Russia’s side is turning your back on an ally needlessly and sours relations there.
On the other hand, taking no one’s side keeps the diplomatic option only.
Foreign policy of the last eight years has neglected diplomacy completely, to the point that people forget it’s the best way to conduct international relations, particularly with erstwhile ideological allies. This isn’t the Cold War; Russia is not automatically the enemy, and furthermore, we are not the World’s peacekeepers; particularly when a country like Georgia calls the storm onto itself.
Seriously, it initiated the war against a nation whose military with over ten times its size based on empty promises from the State Department that amount to nothing more than moral support. It’s geopolitical flimflam, drumming up support for their cause by giving everyone a reason to pick on Russia, the country everyone loves to hate.
WRONG.
The war was incited by our persistent efforts to hem Russia in by turning former Soviet-block nations all along Russia’s homeland borders into NATO-member military states.
And by our efforts to put an anti-ballistic missile system directly on the Russian border.
And by a paid and registered Republic of Georgia agent and lobbiest, who just happens to be a PNAC member, president of the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, and John McCain’s top foreign policy advisor.
And by the Georgians themselves, who launched a full-scale military incursion into South Ossetia, killing 2,000 Ossetians the Russians had a UN mandate to protect, killing offical Russian peacekeepers stationed there in the process.
The Russians retalliated the following day. They were understandably pissed. They had understandably had quite enough. They know we’re up to the same shit in Ukraine. A reasonable person might argue that the Russian overreaction was planned and purposeful. And a reasonable person would be absolutely correct.
I don’t like John McCain’s games or the long-term intentions of the people he represents.
I’m a peace-loving, patriotic American war veteran, and I approve of this message.
Hmmm…channelling WJC ?….FI FO FUM….HODEY DUMM DUMM…lol
andrew — most of us know what we feel. Obama checks which way the wind is blowing first.
I can’t agree. Anti-war in 2002 was very clear counter to the public will at the time.
Further, he’s clearly very willing to say things that people don’t necessarily want to hear. You can’t say a public opinion poll led him to make his “Gods and Guns” statement, or leads him to repeatedly and stridently call out the black community for lax parental discipline, or to commit to a sixteen-month timetable when one side of the spectrum advocates a permanent occupation while the other wants immediate withdrawl.
He is politically canny, but he’s not an empty suit. Like the drilling compromise, he looks for a way to get what he wants by relinquishing what isn’t central; he’ll offer limited drilling in order to get a bipartisan consensus on alternative energy plans.
Now, that’s not to say he’s got a perfect platform - but his platform is most definitely his; informed but not dictated by the polls.
Political canny? That would be most political junkies- we can see both sides and know what is right and wrong and pick our sides. That is not experience that is interest in politics.
This is bs. Had the consequences of the war been less dramatic, he would have rationalized in his own peculiar away his “decision” to make a speech opposing war. Or reinvented it, just like he reinvents his political, religious, personal past to suit the immediacy of his interests.
I don’t know if you can claim “BS” based on something that never happened.
Obama certainly embellishes his personal life, but he’s also very frank. What other national candidate has admitted to past use of not just marijuana, but cocaine?
Sen. Clinton suggests she flew into sniper fire when televised news reports show the exact opposite. Sen. McCain changes the football lineup he names in the Hanoi Hilton under torture depending on the city he’s in at the time. I’m not going to take any Senator to task for embellishment of personal details unless the embellishment is pervasive through the entire platform, and I just don’t see that in Obama.
The same way you make a definitive statement about what the future of Obama would have been had the war circumstances played out differently: “he would have been consigned to obscurity”. Please..the US public’s memory is measured in nano seconds and they are so gullible that the sector that supports him would have no matter what…for them, he can do no wrong, he doesn’t shit nor his farts smell.
-Obama was still staking out his political career and it was a very risky move; had the political winds been at all different, he would have be consigned to obscurity then and there.-
By not taking sides is equal to his voting “Present” in his state legislative capacities. Either he doesn’t know what he is looking at or he doesn’t want to be held accountable in case his votes–OR in this case his taking sides goes contrary to popular opinion. Having allys is all about taking sides.
Bingo Harvey! He plays the ’safe’ card for himself, not for country or political party.
That’s exactly what this little tucked away speech was. He’d drag it out if it became profitable - which it most certainly did - or it would never be known if the war was the success Rumsfeld expected. Both ways Barry.
If he had actually been against the war, we would know it. His opposition would have been recorded by a local news show or an op-ed or something besides another missing document in Barry’s record.
Don’t you guys normally get the weekend off?
You get time and a half for Sunday?
Things not so good in Koolaidville I take it that they pulled a couple of your in — albeit the smarter ones — on the weekend.
Nice try, Andrew. But contrary to Barry Soretoes, the more you get to know him the less likely you are to actually VOTE for him. Until the shenanagins he used to defeat Senator Clinton, I would certainly have voted for “my party’s nominee.” He changed all of that …. Maybe that was a good thing long term. Right now, it feels odd not to be a Democrat.
It was risky for him not to come out against the war because he would have lost the support of ACORN and certian support with in the ME dispora in Chicago… It had nothing to do with the Iraq war.
Speech? Bullshit.
3) He did stake out an anti-war position. It was his speech and policy letters that helped launch him to National prominence in the first place.
Umm, ask Joe Wilson about that. He has stated that when he was out there being attacked for having an anti-war position, NO ONE spoke up for him or spoke out against the war. He specifically said that he never once heard Obama speak out against the war. Your statement is completely false.
No, it’s most definitely not false. Obama publically staked out an anti-war position in front of hundreds, if not thousands of people and news cameras.
Joe Wilson is most likely mistaken, or he’s speaking in a limited context, but there’s absolutely no question the fact that Obama was anti-war from October 2002 onwards.
That’s right Andrew. He gave that speech on the Grassy Knoll, and Zapruder filmed it. Oliver Stone is making a documentary about it.
Grail,
I don’t know why you keep contesting a matter of fact. Are you really saying that Obama didn’t give his televised, reported 2002 speech in front of a large, public anti-war rally?
He did not…
Live with it.
His claim last night will cause this falsehood to be exposed. In the general election it will be about the lying - not the war position.
I’m afraid some of you folks have parted company with reality. All sorts of delusional beliefs are setting in and becoming objects of total conviction.
The full text of the speech was published on Obama’s website on Wednesday, October 23, 2002. The website itself has long since disappeared, but a copy of the site as it existed then was archived and is still available on the Wayback site:
http://web.archive.org/web/20021217033809/www.obamaforillinois.com/news.shtml
Wayback is a very useful tool for people seeking the truth. The Project for a New American Century took down their public webpages last year, probably to hide their public documents relating to Iraq, Iran, etc, and bury all of their references to John McCain. They couldn’t wipe the evidence off of Wayback, however. It’s slow going, but you can find it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050101030658/http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.newamericancentury.org/
Please post a link, I’ve been all over the net looking for a clip of that famous televised speech. We’ve got clips of him calling female reporters ’sweetie’ and one of him flashing his crotch at the camera but low and behold, not one person at that huge rally got Barky on a camera phone. I did hear he had to recreate it in a studio so I’d love to see it if you’ve got it.
Andrew — Then explain why Obama said If I had been in the Senate at the time I probably would have voted for the war. He said that in one of his incarnations. Now however, he needs the liberal effete so he’s Mr. Anti War.
That’s exactly my point - that the political and public pressure to be pro-war was so great that an anti-war vote was almost political suicide.
That said, Obama wasn’t in the Senate, at the time; the extent of his involved in the war movement was to attend and speak at anti-war rallies.
Plus, I can’t find any attribution for your quote. To whom did he say that we would’ve voted for the AUMF?
Hillary Clinton was absolutely crucified by Obamanation for not opposing the war as a voting senator. I’ve listened to such crap on this that some made it sound as if she started the war. Despite the post 9-11, UNITED WE STAND crowd’s desire to trash as unpatriotic anyone who stood against the war, the Obama camp said HRC’s vote made her unacceptable.
Now you’re saying we should find it okay that this guy, who wasn’t in the Senate, didn’t have to vote, and nonetheless didn’t take a demonstrative, documented stand against a war, but that’s okay because of the pressure?
What I’m saying is that Joe Wilson and the very few people that were speaking out against the war don’t recall Obama speaking out or publicly being against the war. The speech he made wasn’t very public, because there is little if any documentation about it. When Obama came to the Senate, his voting record is identical to Hillary Clinton. The very person he vilified for being pro-war, he has the same record. He never used the Senate to speak out against the war, hence no political risk.
Of course they don’t remember Obama being against the war. He was only a state senator at the time. Why would anyone notice what his opinion on the war was? Inexperience is the real issue here. McCain voted for the war, and Obama isn’t experienced enough to even have had the opportunity to vote. They are both losers.
Andrew, the “speech” he made was at a Hyde Park anti-war rally. What else could he have said?
I challenge you or any other Obama supporter to find me one …. just one …. instance where Barack Obama has taken a position based on principal that involved any real political risk to himself. You won’t be able to do so, because there isn’t one.
His claim last night that he crossed the left wing establishment of the Democratic Party to support bipartisan campaign finance reform is a complete lie. He feigned some early interest in doing so, but when called on the carpet by the left wing he quickly ran home to them, leaving McCain in the lurch.
Barack Obama is a total partisan and his empty talk is worthless. When it comes to “reaching across the aisle to find bipartisan solutions”, John McCain is the one who has walked the walk.
McCain, with all due respect, is an asshole. That was the nicest verbal slap in the face I have ever read or seen. Couldn’t have done it better.
And regarding the gay marriage issue. The reality is that the majority of those in public life will not support the notion because it’s politically inconvenient. So I can’t blame Obama for this. You have to come up with a compromise, the best the Dems had was civil union protection. I don’t know how McCain feels about them. Sometimes he seems ok with some type of protection, and other times he doesn’t. If I ever hear him mention the words, DOMA, constitution and amendment I’m going to f-ing explode.
My feeling is: I don’t give a d–m about YOUR morals, as long as I am law abiding citizen and do nothing to harm the public, you have no right to tell me what I can’t do in my private life. As a full fledged citizen, who has done no harm, I am afforded equal protection UNDER THE LAW. And as keepers of the law, they have to provide me that protection.
mccain is easily one of the most respected senators we have ever had… republican and democratic senators will tell you this themselves…
as well as the average american…
i don’t think your comment that mccain is an “asshole” has any place on this forum…
has mccain’s shady dealings with his cronies led to a toddler getting crushed by falling pieces of slum housing?
does mccain steal votes?
does mccain try and stop votes from counting?
i could go on and on…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpOxF0sID3A
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
UHH, have you considered your phone calls and the rest of the US Constitution and all the signing statements?
No, YOU are the asshole.
don’t know if anyone else brought this up, but HOW CAN WE EVEN KNOW THAT - if given the chance - OBAMA WOULD HAVE VOTED IN FAVOR OVER THE INVASION OF IRAQ?!
Barry has flipped on ever single issue that he’s stood for.
Obama has recently done complete 180’s on the following:
FISA
GITMO
Gun rights/DC gun ban
Public financing
illegal immigration
legalization of pot
Abortion
Iraq
The Mortgage Mess
Religion - (cling to guns // expand President Bush’s faith programs)
Flag Pin // Patriotism
Rev. Wright
NAFTA
welfare reform
gay marriage
The Cuba Embargo
single-pay healthcare
Jerusalem
meeting with Foreign Leaders
Palestinian elections
The ‘threat’ of Iran
The Patriot Act
Coal
The Surge
Offshore drilling
Wiretapping
The list is longer than his list of accomplishments.
Obama was given the chance to answer how he would have voted on the “Iraq Resolution” when he was campaigning for the US Senate position. He answered that question “I DO NOT KNOW HOW I WOULD HAVE VOTED”. That is a documented fact.
A thin resume coupled with thin skin and no identifiable personal values that don’t put Barry Soretos first and last is not the best recommendation IMHO … but, hey, what the heck do I know … bitter … white … female … 36 year Democrat …????
———–> one year Independant<——–
Ehemmm…..Bbbbbut doesn’t lookin good in a stylish Sarong count ?
Once Obama has a group in his pocket he moves on never giving that group a thought again. Now he is after the Christian Right — so he will out Christian Jesus. This kind of reminds me of Hitler invading Russia–that didn’t work out so well either.
Obama’s collection of lies and deceit will ultimately catch up with him and may just preclude his candidacy.
But, more amusing is the fact that Obama has told so many lies he could write an entire book on just the lies he tells.
To be sure, though, he seems to take pride in his skill and talent of telling half-truths and omissions.
The real Obama is but a facade of shamelessness and hubris and the rest of him is falsehoods and self-ingratiation. The worst Democrat candidate ever.
Down with Barack Obama. Long live the United States of America!
I agree, the Obamamites are arrogant and self assured because they are stupid/naive/immature and have no clue what is in store for Obama because no one has done anything to him yet. I can’t believe Obama is that stupid to think none of this will come out but then Edwards had the nerve to run for President while he likely fathered an illigetimate child w his mistress and his wife is dying of cancer to boot. So nothing suprises me on the stupidity level.
Ouch, that letter slapped me. My face is stinging over here. Damn McCain is a beast. LOL. Give me a moment I”m seeing stars…my head is swiming.
hilarious Baracktrack video…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGSWk8LrR4
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
He is another prescient McCain statement to Obama;
“Since you are new to the Senate, you may not be aware of the fact that I have always supported fully the regular committee and legislative process in the Senate, and routinely urge Committee Chairmen to hold hearings on important issues.”
Barak held no meetings with his committee.
It took Obama only 143 Days to get bored with his Senate job. How long would it take President Obama to want to be King of the World instead?
He’s ALREADY bored…splashing around in the ocean, catching waves, texting his new BFF’s George Clooney and Scarlett Johanssen…yawn…okay, now what can I do?
Wisdom is measured by a yet to be perfectly crafted mathematical equation with the known constants being live experience, accumulated knowledge, raw intelligence and logical reasoning skills. The unknown variables are the degree of value each of the constants have and how much gut compassion is used to soften decisions made by one who is wise. Passing or making a judgment is an act reliant on Wisdom.
If I believed that judgment can be artificially manufactured with only intellect and knowledge, and without life experience in the equation then I should go ahead and give my brilliant teenage daughter the title to my car, all my credit cards, access to my bank accounts and total liberty to exercise her judgment.
Of course that is not going to happen.
yeah–common sense is sometime very useful.
I agree.
Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121894355972047277.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks
Darragh vs. the Obama Bots
If he can’t face down the Pumas, how will he ever face down Putin? That question may have been in the back of a few Democratic minds last week, but Hillary Clinton’s fans were all smiles over their success in rolling a possible president-to-be before he ever takes office.
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The money $$$ folks $$$ are concerned too!
My favorite Obamanot answer lastnight was to the abortion question.
“The answer to that question is above my paygrade”
Above his paygrade? What a cop out. It the answer to the problem to Georgia, offshore srilling and others also above his paygrade! And he wouldn’t have appointed Judge Thomas because of his lack of experience! That is the pot calling the kettle black, no racial pun intended. This Obamanut is absolutely in over his head and far too dangerously close to the White House.
That answer struck me hard too.
Maybe it’s above your paygrade now, pal, but you’re applying for the highest position in the country…pony up, Soretoes!
Maybe we should call him the Panderbear, because that is all that answer is. Try to not piss off the already alienated base while still scoring points with believers. Parsed, triangulated, pure pap.
“For me as a Christian, it is a sacred union. God’s in the mix,” he said.
Obama added that he does support same-sex civil unions, saying, “I can afford those civil rights to others even if I don’t have … that view.”
So, gay partners that make a life commitment are doing so “without God in the mix?” Now Obama is speaking for God too? (Well, I guess as the Messiah, he does have a direct line huh? Another parallel with Bush.)
He is such a pompous ass, who will not answer the question directly, like everything else, because he does not have core principles and he does not want to alienate ANYONE. So, he waffles and panders to all sides.
Even if I don’t agree with McCain’s positions, at least he answers the damn question quickly and clearly, because he knows what he stands for.
And the tone of his answer re: civil rights is also offensive. He is going to “allow civil rights.” It’s not up to you–it’s in the Constitution. Just like he is “allowing” Hillary’s name into nomination. Democratic principles are fundamental, they do not need your approval and permission, you jerk. Talk about entitlement! Maybe he can put a big “O” logo.
Maybe can put a big “O” logo on the Constitution.
Agreed. He’s even more offensive in his waffling. “God’s in the mix.” Marriage licenses aren’t issued by God; they’re issued by states. I don’t really care who’s in bed with him and MO.
Barry just doesn’t have the GUTS required to take a stand for gay people. He’s never supported the LGBT community in his own city/state and he never will. There is essentially no difference between Barry Soetoro and John McCain on this issue that the Democratic Party should own. Cowards!!!!
Hillary knows she has to walk that fine line re: gay rights, but each time she has been asked, she answered with great strength and forthrightness, never talking down to gay people and their right to equal treatment. You can tell it comes from respect and compassion. Obama is obviously very uncomfortable with homosexuality, and his association with Rev. Wright explains why.
To clarify: I mean that Obama’s association with Wright’s Black Liberation Theology and the homophobia of the church teachings.
carolyn — the Democratic Party is tired of its base. Its sooooooo hard pleasing Gays, Women, Seniors and White Workers etc. and so much cooler to just have to please young idiots who ask for nothing and worship fame.
thank you Rev Amy!
as a lifetime tree huggin bleedin heart lib, I was very happy with BIG MAC’s performance last night..
he did somehting Obummer has never done..MAC told us the truth about his personal stances, my how refreshing!!
Obummer again, tried to be all things to all people and IMHO failed on all counts doing so.
it’s “above his pay grade”??? WTF is that!!???
uhhmm no Obynoxious One it is EXACTLY your paygrade if you want to be the leader of the DEMS..frakkin idiot
DID YOU CATCH THAT NARAL you sell outs??
Oh and NUNN!! Mr Dont Ask Dont Tell is his idea of BRILLIANCE!! And LUGER!! gee where was Raygun in his analysis, oh yeah he doesnt KNOW him..but dragged grandma out form unda da bus didnt he?
MAC nailed it, Petraeus, John Lewis!! ( am man tormented until he switched to Obynoxious) and Meg Whitman, a woman I greatly admire!
Nice job Mac!!!
Obummer- unreal
I’ll vote for the honest man on that stage, BIG MAC
Hillary or MAC
and congrats to Portia and Ellen!!
WooT!!
Wonder when OB will look to go back on Ellen’s show after he demonstrated what a “balless wonder” he is, on the very day she got married!
Of course, he could have had a staff person call
and offer a W.O.R.M. statement.
ginaswo — well said. I may not agree with McCain but I know where I stand with him and that makes me comfortable. You judge how a man will govern by the life he’s lived. McCain is not power mad and he will work with people who disagree–thats good enough for me.
I’m glad that at least now, he said out of his own Newport stained lips last night that his granny was a bank VP, so the Obamazoids can stop calling us liars when we say that. Obama is elitist through and through. I don’t have a problem with prosperity and success. I’m not doing too badly myself and I know that things are only going to get even better for me, but this lie that he feeds to the African-American community is just too much! The line about having struggled and the food stamps and such. PLEASE! I don’t doubt that he has some issues with the fact that his biological father wasn’t around, but that does not make him a product of the ghetto. That makes him a bourgeois bastard.
And I came away with full validation of my feeling that Obummer EQUIVOCATES on EVERYTHING and MAC is decisive
cant equivocate on EVIL Barry, and you cant be indecisive as POTUS, ya just cant
“Evil Barry” BWAHAHAHA. HEY ginawoot, I bet he has a COLB with that monicker too –HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GREAT post, Rev. Amy.
Imagine listening to these two candidates at Saddleback last night, without the visual of race, age, and appearance factors, question by question, each one’s answers.
Dear Obots who are reading these comments:
I’m rolling on the floor laughing. Wake up.
HILLARY or MCCAIN ‘08
I like the way Obama portrays himself as someone who is going to clean up bad ole Washington!
Just what the heck has Obama ever done about Chicago politics? He’s been a Chicago politician long enough.
ITA, I have said this from the beginning. His Chicago politics are one of the original reasons I crossed him off my list a long time ago in the primaries.
Well, looks as if the DNC chosen one , has really sucked at this debate again. Does this really surprise anyone? Lets see how the media makes excuses for Obama, and how they twist his words to make it look as if McCain had the questions before Bamie, even though we know that McCain was speaking of his experiences, sorry Democrats McCain is better than Obama any day, its proven that he has worked both sides of the isle, even though i dont agree with some issues, atleast i know he speaks and listens to the people. Lets see how many SD still vote because of the word change because he has proved to me their is no change other than a used car sales man speech of how good i will be doing my work not the will of the people, what can you do for me politically , can you say vote already paid for on the real issues? Obama has clearly sh0owed that he it is for himself rather than doing what is right on a country as a whole, NObama Puma I own my vote.
Does PUMA have enough money to expose this Iraq lie of Obama. I think a 30 sec ad saying that Obama’s opposition to the Iraq war was not a gut wrenching decision since he was not yet a member of the US Senate is more than enough to expose his lie.
And to think that most liberal/progressives voted for thim because they believed this lie?
I’ve seen several videos on youtube and other PUMA sites. I wish I could give you the links but they are out there.
Anyone got the video links to the Obama war flip flops??
I can’t believe the milage Obama got out of criticizing Hillary, who WAS forced to vote, for a decision that was in retrospect that “gut wrenching” for the man himself…
But it wasn’t “gut wrenching” for Hillary. It was the number one reason given for choosing Obama over her. “She voted for the war. What could is experience? Obama had judgement.” Noooo, no gut wrenching decisions for her!
I agree, politicsIsdirty, this alone should sink him with his liberal base, but alas, too little, too late?
politics is dirty — One thing you have to understand about Liberals. Nothing they know about is ever good enough for them. They are always reaching for that perfect candidate and in the process they continue to destroy the Democratic Party.
My favorite Obamanot answer lastnight was to the abortion question.
“The answer to that question is above my paygrade”-KenNOhio
……………………………………….
NOW OBAMA fans will run around thinking he served in the military. GOODNESS Gracious.
Yeah, Hillary was way above Obama’s pay grade. That is why she was always given the first questions,,,,, so Obama could follow her lead.
“SO I AGONIZED OVER THAT AND I THINK QUESTION OF WAR AND PEACE GENERALLY ARE SO PROFOUND YOU KNOW WHEN YOU MEET THE TROOPS, THEY ARE 19, 20, 21-YEAR OLD KIDS AND YOU ARE PUTTING THEM INTO HARM’S WAY THERE IS A SOLEMN OBLIGATION THAT YOU DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO GET THAT DECISION RIGHT.”
Maybe Barack thinks his lil’ speech in 2002 was actually a vote in the U.S. Senate. The man is delusional.
j smith — Obama is Forrest Gump. He has been at every historical event. In an event he did in my state he likened himself to Moses.
Hey, s. hall I’m not Jewish nor am I anti Jewish. Sooo there was this rebel Jewish guy a while back who was saying “Moses was on drugs when he thought he parted the Red Sea”. So, Yes, I can understand why Obama might equate himself with Moses ( the rebel moses) :). I hear a lot of strange things take place in those crack houses.
HEY NOW!!!
Obama is Forrest Gump
“I might not be a smart man, but I know what love is.”
“I am tired now, Think I will go home.”
Forest Gump.
Forest was a class act. Please don’t insult him so!!
What does Obama mean that he does not know when life begins and that it is “above his pay grade”.
That kind of answer only reflects his lack of knowledge of what his religion stands for. Does he really have a religion? If so, what is it?
politics is dirty — Obama wasn’t born. He was manufactured in a lab–Robots don’t think. They just do as their masters wish.
This is how McCain’s NEXT ad should look, and his campaign can feel free to take it from here:
Fade in -
RICK WARREN: “At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?”
OBAMA: “Well, uh, I uh ah think that, whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective, or a scientific perspective, uh, answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is is above my pay grade.”
NARRATOR: “What about energy policy?”
OBAMA: “Answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is is above my pay grade.”
NARRATOR: “What about Foreign Policy, such as in Iraq or Georgia?”
OBAMA: “Answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is is above my pay grade.”
NARRATOR: “What about the economy and domestic issues?”
OBAMA: “Answering that question with specificity, uh, you know, is is above my pay grade.”
NARRATOR: “ARE YOU qualified to BE President of the United States?”
Obama: “that . . . uh, you know, is is above my pay grade.”
MCCAIN: “I’m John McCain and I approve this ad because America needs a President that isn’t ‘above his pay grade’.”
Brilliant Ken Absolutely Brilliant–
Obama’s reaching above his Peter Principle. POTUS is way over his capabilities.
A sound bite that will live in infamy.
The title of the ad “POTUS-above my pay grade”
Barry thinks his opinions are decisions. He actually believes we are all dummies, none the less the msm are dangerously playing with fire by not exposing this egotistic fake pretender. Wake up america to the msm and god speed!
FOX has announce a program about both Obama and McCain character starting on Mon night at 8PM.
The GOP anti-Obama show is about to start.
roseeriter — I am getting my bowl of popcorn ready. Let the games begin.
Cheers!
Will a big mug of Miller be appropriate for the show? Don’t particularly like McCain or the beer his wife’ Co. makes. So I’ll drink the Miller and still vote for the Mac and think about the hangover of both choices tomorrow. HAHAHA
Here’s prescient Obama:
BUT I WAS FIRMLY CONVINCED AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Hmmm, a statement that corresponds to:
-dillusional
-lying
-Middle East direct personal connection to the other Huessein
-thinks US public real stupid
The UN inspectors who were on the ground in Iraq, never, never said there “were convinced” there were no WMDs
Another good statemtn by Andy Martin-
Here’s prescient Obama:
BUT I WAS FIRMLY CONVINCED AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Hmmm, a statement that corresponds to:
-dillusional
-lying
-Middle East direct personal connection to the other Huessein
-thinks US public real stupid
The UN inspectors who were on the ground in Iraq, never, never said they “were convinced” there were no WMDs
I loved the interviews last night, even though religion and politics makes me very nervous.
Obama was very quiet , in my opinion…much like the debates. He did well , but did not get the questions most average people want to know.
McCain did well, he let you know him, warts and all. I thought he was VERY honest. I cringe when he talks about abortion issues, but I have to remember that we all are expected to represent ourselves in government. The younger women today need to be more involved in this issue(and that NARAL sellout…don’t get me started)
I want to vote for a person that is telling me their “truth” and McCain reveals a honest opinion when asked…Obama is TOO wishy-washy.
This morning on” Meet the BO Fan Club”, Gregory and Mitchell tried to rehabilitate Obama. The tempo was alittle off, because Obama last night, was not “change” they could sell.
Oh, I got a kick out of the watching the pundits last night and this morning. They all had long faces as if their best friend just died. And it looked like David Gergen (CNN) was about to throw up when he had to admit that McCain did a good job.
Political Cartoon of The Week: Obama v. The Bear
When talk fails.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=1258
Sorry if this has been posted before - just got here and haven’t had a chance to read the whole thread. But, just wanted to point out that the kos kids ARE FREAKIN’ OUT - went over there this morning to see what they were saying about barfy’s “stellar” performance last night - OMG!
One diarist who said barky was terrible was piled on for “trolldom” by HUNDREDS of kool-aiders.
One diary says barky looked bad because “McCain Cheated” - I kid you not! According to these insects, McCain got the questions ahead of time. (that’s the only way bambi could have LOST, donchaknow - lol!)
Still another insisted that McCain “got a pass” from Warren.
There are more of these, folks - lots more. I was laughing my ass off this morning - complete big orange meltdown coming soon!
I saw those diaries also. The doubts (and truth about O-hole) are beginning to creep in big time. LOL. even with slinkerwink who is now trying to restratergize Obama’s campaign..LOL Good Fuck..oops i mean luck (not)
Oh, Sinclair will make sure it is a good fuck!
To me it is scary.
These people really have never been taught to be responsible for your own actions.
It is always someone else’s fault.
God help us if this is the future of our country.
The person in the mirror has to face their self with the consequences of their actions.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
Well, just think about this … If Barry wins this election, that’s the mentality that will be walking the corridors of power in Washington.
While the prospect of Barry Obama as president terrifies me, the thought of who he’d bring with him to staff his administration scares me even more.
I heard that flipping through the channels, I think it was on Meet the BO Fan Club, Mrs. Greenspan maybe it was, mentioned the rumor of this explanation for another dismal performance from the One. Let the WORM squirm begin.
This guy Barry or Barrack or whatever is absolutely and positively ridiculous pretentious and dangerous.
Saddle up DNC you are in for a rough ride.
This guy Barry or Barrack is absolutely and positively ridiculous, pretentious and dangerous. He underestimates people, we are not all idiots you know.
Saddle up DNC you are in for a rough ride.
I didn’t watch it; I cannot stand all this religious pandering, despise any government “faith-based” funding, and abhor evangelizing politicians. Period.
I want my separation of church and state and I won’t support the “new evangelical wing of the Democratic Party” any more than I supported Bush’s evangelical, faith-based ideology.
Religion is a private matter. It does not belong in our government. That is the ONLY way to keep freedom of religion.
I agree bmc, but both parties are pandering, and that is all it is is pandering and it stinks.
But then I think all organized religions pander to people. I doubt god has a preference.
Dems should be scared when the Republican is the one not pandering everyday about his religion. This even was the first time McCain ever really spoke about religion. Obama sounds like that CBN channel where they sell you water that heals wounds and stuff. Liquid-hope, it is so refreshingly empty.
I am so with you on this. After the travesty of the Evangelicals voting for the born-again Bush, you’d think the Democrats would be pushing back on restoring the separation of church and state instead of co-opting and expanding it.
Jesus may not actually be a republican. It’s possible that Jesus didn’t endorse the invasion of Iraq. Jesus might not approve of the McCain tax plan.
Once upon a time, there was something called The Christian Left. Their politics were informed by Christian moral principles. Christianity wasn’t twisted to justify social immorality. It’s possible to let Christian morality guide you while keeping church and state quite separate. This isn’t an art the republicans have mastered.
How badly did barks lose at Saddleback?
I had to watch the replay at midnight, but then I’m a night owl, so no worries. Well, ten minutes in to Uhhhbama’s hour I was asleep, waking up just when McCain was introduced.
In contrast, McCain’s concise and revealing answers kept me engaged throughout his time on stage even though I don’t agree with all of his positions.
Obama is boring and irrelevant, period. I didn’t care what he said, invented or not. And that, I predict, will be his fatal flaw in the general.
By the way, McCain said he’s perfectly comfortable with the States individually deciding on gay marriage. That’s the best one should expect from either party although the Dems may give the issue a little better lip service.
I can’t stand Obama, but everyone here seems to be ignoring the mistakes McCain made. In the question which supreme court justices would you not vote for, he stated the four liberal justices. He actually voted for 3 of them. Neither of them are worth the vote.
Bob Barr for president.
The Dkos crowd is freaking out? Glad to hear it. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch. Should be about time for the unveiling of the VP soon too, that should get them in another lather.
Then there’s the Dem convention! I am expecting nothing but grace and dignity!
Anyone want to make a bet as to what kind of bounce Obama will get at the end of August?
LMAO!!
He’ll get a bounce, but it won’t be a huge one. Then McCain will erase that bounce at the Republican convention a week later. We’ll come out of the conventions neck & neck, right where we are now.
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I check two places to get the pulse of the Obots. The Ostroy Report and imdb.com.
Believe me. The little know nothing Obots on imdb are scared. They have been rah-rahing like little cheerleaders drunk on the kool-aid for months. Now, they are just afraid and only have the same old juvenile talking points to sling ad nauseum.
Ostroy Report is a bit more sophisticated. Ostroy used to be a Hillary supporter until the Obama coup and then he told us all we HAD to vote for Obama. The blog used to get hundreds of posts, now, not so many, less than a hundred on most threads. Usually about half of the posts are anti-Obama anyway.
It’s like air being slowly let out of a balloon. The Obots are just running out of arguments to support Obama. Notice I didn’t say credible arguments.
A PUMA was at the conference hosted by Steve Clemons of The Washington Note. The conference featured discussions with two Obama Senior advisor Susan Rice and Karen Kornbluh the DNC platform author. The New America Foundation hosted.
Late into the program a Clinton staffer asked a question regarding Obama’s FISA vote and how it conflicts with his claim to becoming transparent. My comments in the thread preceded that question. Clemons allowed it to be asked and replied but denied further follow up, as confrontation was no germane to the event.
The question was late in the conversation, at least 3/4 of the way through. The questioner disclosed their preference and work for Clinton.
STREAMING LIVE FRIDAY: SUSAN RICE to Join KAREN KORNBLUH in Discussing Dem Party Platform — Steve Coll, Maya MacGuineas to Comment
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2008/08/streaming_live_15/#postcomment
I found the Democratic platform distinctly familiar. Isn’t it full of what Hillary wanted? Did Hillary write it?
Interesting. See PDF of the platform in the above posting URL.
Gosh, how can he say that when he likes to take Limo rides with a certain person who alleges they had a sexual encounter after smoking the “DAT CRACK PIPE!”
Let me add:
content free answers
Lofty goals and misleading rhetoric.
He for ‘it’ and against ‘it’ all in the same answer.
comment by Andy Martin I thought was good…
Last night was also a reminder of what a great speaker Senator Clinton is, a nice comparison for those who have buyers remorse. She has always been, clear, and concise on her feet. I can’t say much more about how O spoke last night, I only lasted for the first four questions, and was exhausted. I came back when it was Senator McCain’s turn.
Besides lacking clarity and transparency O is not and never has been great with brevity; but I think that is the plan just keep talking in circles, hit every angle, and no doubt it will be revealed that he knew the subject, he addressed the subject, and has a plan. The problem is which plan is it? The one from before, the one from someone else, or the one yet to be divined upon?
God, how I miss Hillary.
Since Obama’s opposition to the Iraq war was such a delima for him in 2002, I’m sure he expressed his moral dilema to both Kerry and Edwards prior to the 2004 National Convention in which Obama gave a key-note speech??? But then again considering Obama’s desires on the White House maybe he just kept his mouth shut then. Where was his “moral dilema” then?
In fact if I have my facts correct, at that time Kerry supported the war and I believe Edwards even co-sponsored the bill to authorize the war to begin with…
Obama’s “morals” seem to have more to do with political convience than anything else.
Another great article Amy, and many many good post…thank you all…John McCain connected last night with the America First crowd..I being one of them…I think what Nobama didn’t say last night was just a revealing as what he did say, espcially when he didn’t mention the threat of Islamic Extremist as evil..he proved once again to me…he is not Presidential Material…which is truely above his pay level…
Whoever knows how to post these things, please post at every other site you know! This is too rich to let pass.
“I can afford those civil rights to others…”
“I” Obama … Rev. Amy… If that comment does not demand, no cry out , no a wail of despair for a declared insight on how Barry “mind” works. There could be not better example;
Frakkin Funny…Just subout Mr. Beattle for Obama…
Message to SD…”One RingyDingy”,
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9e3dTOJi0o”
Did you hear Andrea Mitchell say this morning that Obama’s people are putting it out there that McCain must have heard the questions in advance? I almost fell off my chair! They just couldn’t believe that McCain did so well– so he must have cheated. I swear I just may not make it through election day in one piece. Obama just cannot be Commander in Chief!
If McCain is internet challenged, I doubt he could get text messages…LOL
Yup, we’ve already had a few trolls here last night claim the same thing. Looks like Andrea got the memo too. Funny thing is, I remember McCain going on the Daily Show and he could go head to head with Jon Stewart. He always was better off the cuff than trying to follow a script. Man, I’m going to LOVE the head to head debates.
McCain had the answers written on his cuff? I figured they were in his coffee cup.
But seriously… Some people are mildly puzzled that John began answering a number of the questions before Pastor Warren had gotten half-way through asking them. People John’s age aren’t generally lightning quick–which of course is perfectly normal–and John–to my knowledge at least–isn’t psychic.
My guess is that John listened to the Obama portion of the program on a pocketed FM radio while he was waiting to go on. He wasn’t kept under guard and observation, you know. His unknowning co-conspirator was probably National Public Radio.
Nope, Mccain is fast on his feet. I’ve seen a number of interviews with him and he is actually quite intelligent. Not to mention sarcastic as hell. He was a known underachiever and pain in the ass during his Annapolis days. And I’ve no worries about his age, you should see his mom, she’s a pistol, and still has all her faculties. I remember JM saying his mom enjoys Jello shots from time to time. I’m sure he was pulling Jon Stewart’s leg, but it was funny as hell. Whenever Barky tries to make a funny, he comes off as arrogant and stupid.
Is that why McCain got more questions than Obama? Because Obama tried to go on and on and on about the questions he felt comfortable with, and glossed over the ones he didn’t with quick simple answers. I saw the debate neither one knew what the questions were. Once again someone would have to be a simpleton to believe otherwise. Some of the crap they come up with…
It might not be the best strategy for Obama to accuse Pastor Warren of helping McCain cheat. Unless they are saying that the secret service helped McCain cheat, but accusing the secret service guys probably wouldn’t be too wise either.
Doesn’t that take the cake? If McCain was better it could only be that McCain cheated. How about just that the old man you’ve been laughing at is experienced, not senile. He knows who he is. He knows the issues. Face it, kids, Grampa done good.
When asked who the top three influential advisers for his presidency will be, Obama answers “my wife, Michelle”. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! God help America.
Responding to this comment…
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Comment by rw | 2008-08-17 12:13:06
Here’s prescient Obama:
BUT I WAS FIRMLY CONVINCED AT THE TIME THAT WE DID NOT HAVE STRONG EVIDENCE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
Hmmm, a statement that corresponds to:
-dillusional
-lying
-Middle East direct personal connection to the other Huessein
-thinks US public real stupid
The UN inspectors who were on the ground
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Obama campaign says they are working with Colin Powell and he might endorse Obama.
Didn’t Colin Powell testify to the existence of the WMD’s? So does Obama believe that Powell was either lying or was stupid for believeing what he was told?
I hope Powell runs and does not walk away from Obama on this one.
At the very least, doesn’t “yellow cake urainium” qualify as a potential WMD? Iraq certainly had this and the US just finished getting it all to a safe facility in Canada. I believe the amount of yellow cake uranium was somthing like 5 metric tons!
If what you stated were true, it would not have been sent to Canada. More than likely it would have been sent to the NNSA facility in Tennessee.
Canada bought the yellow cake uranium and the US transported it to Canada - Top Secret and all that until it was safe under lock and key.
That is scary. I wasn’t sure if the question was just specific to the presidency. MICHELLE OBAMA will be the number one adviser to the president. That answer could easily get lost in the rest of the train wreck.
The actual question was this:
That’s not quite what you said, was it?
Michelle and Obama’s grandmother were mentioned as a couple of the wisest people Obama knew. He went on to explain why that was.
The answer to the second part of the question was more complicated. Basically Obama said he would listen to a lot of different people with a lot of different viewpoints.
Maybe you should watch a replay of the actual discussion before you start explaining it to people.
Yeah, what it means is that Oblahblah really didn’t give an answer at all. A table where a lot of different points of view are expressed does not constitute three people. A direct answer from the junior Senator from Illinois would be nice for a change.
Thank you Rev. Amy …
Bravo, Sen. McCain,
Calling Obama “a freshman senator” and giving His Hopeness hell for misleading intentions on the Committe!
This letter from McCain to Obama is pure dynamite!
Obama had been exposed by McCain, and now’s the time for the public to expose him for what he still is “An Opportunistic, Arrogant Freshman Senator!”
Better get a ticket going back to Chicago’s political sewers in November!
*not an Obamatroll!
Made it to the bottom of another wonderful thread. Thank you, Rev. Amy.
Excellent article Rev. Amy!
When Obama said “God’s in the mix”, I was waiting for a drumbeat and Ludacris to pop out waving his hands side to side yelling “Put your hands up…God’s in da house”.
BTW, does anyone wonder what prompted that wonderfully snarky letter from John McCain to Senator Obama?
There was a three-letter exchange, initiated by a polite letter from Senator Obama. You can read them all here:
http://obama.senate.gov/letter/060206-sen_obama_and_sen_mccain_exchange_letters_on_ethics_reform/
Basically, it’s a documented example of Senator John McCain behaving like a jackass. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time. He’s got a long reputation.
old news… and Obama is a jerk when he deals with others with different opinions unless he wants or needs something from them.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/30/AR2008033002401_pf.html
You should repeat this over and over to yourself while brushing your teeth.
(Or make it a point not to think about it while brushing your teeth. That works just as well.)
In three weeks you should be completely deprogrammed and ready to return to your friends in a unified democratic party.
No thanks
Sorry. If you read it, it’s already too late. The deprograming meme has already been implanted. It will lurk in your subconscious and resurface with any routine activity involving rhythmic repetitions: Walking, brushing your teeth, the dividing lines down the middle of the highway, the sound of a passing train at a crossing… It’s a designer meme, carefully crafted in the underground Obamabot laboratories by mad Obamabot scientists. You’re totally doomed.
Gettin’ jiggity!
Use that 30 pieces of silver you sold your soul for and by you some new friends. We no votee for OBush 08.
Stop the hate jiggity!
They put all their eggs in a single basket and they’re hatching. Soon the ugly chickens will be coming home to roost.
The following answer blew me away–what world is he on?
I GUESS THE OTHER EXAMPLE FROM — I’M NOT SURE THIS WAS A MORE OF A PARTISAN ISSUE, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING
THAT I FELT VERY DEEPLY WAS WHEN I OPPOSED THE INITIAL DECISION TO GO INTO WAR IN IRAQ. THAT WAS A NOT A POPULAR VIEW AT THE TIME AND I WAS JUST STARTING MY CAMPAIGN FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND I THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ADVISED ME, YOU SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS. THIS IS GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL.
(From transcript, Pg. 8, per commenter in above post; my emphasis)
Obama was running for the US Senate in early Fall of 2002? Had he announced? I believe he was running for reelection to the IL senate–but when did he announce his decision to run for the US Senate?? Of course, in his internal planning, he was actually running for the US Senate when he entered politics, iirc.
Also, as is well known, his IL senate district was a very liberal, highly antiwar area. IIRC, he was actually critiqued locally as being a bit on the too conservative side of the argument (not this war, but other wars OK, etc.; made a big deal of not being antiwar).
I found an article which says he decided to run for the US Senate in 2003, no precise date.
So, was Obama confused? Or just confusing private goals with his state senate campaign?