Finally: Personal Vindication, But an Unsolvable Problem Looms for the Democratic Party
By SusanUnPC on August 18, 2008 at 10:10 AM in Abortion, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards
Last winter, following my own original research on Barack Obama’s views on abortion, which required days of laborious searches of every possible resource as well as serious fact-checking, I stumbled, by chance, on the fact that Obama had voted present, and then nay, on Illinois state senate bills related to the extremely rare instances in which an infant is born alive following an abortion. (I’m pro-choice, and even attended a friend’s NARAL meetings during my own pregnancy 20+ years ago, but that issue is a no-brainer: One makes every effort possible to save the infant’s life. If I had a late-term abortion (personally unlikely unless there were the most exceptional circumstances), the live birth of my infant is an outcome with which I would be prepared to live.)
After I had lined up all of my facts, I published the findings at some “left” blogs, and here. The attacks were immediate, and vicious. ONE key point I had made in my article was that Sen. Hillary Clinton and then-senator John Edwards both voted for the “live birth” law — in fact the ENTIRE U.S. Senate voted unanimously for the “live birth” measure. Obama’s devotees explained his state senate votes (actually, they ranted) by informing me that it was what Planned Parenthood had TOLD him to do. (Let me get this right: A lobbying group instructed him? And he just blindly went along? Without using an iota of common sense about the ramifications? He — the man with enormous political ambitions — didn’t THINK OUT the future fall-out? He didn’t know, in an instant, that this would come back to haunt him? NONE OF THIS MADE ANY SENSE to me.)
Why did I write that story last winter? Why did I dare to publish that story in a hostile environment? I wanted to WARN fellow Democrats that this was an issue that the GOP could successfully use against Obama, and not only with conservatives but also with ANY liberal with a heart, and most especially any parent, no matter if the parent is a Republican or Democrat. Furthermore, the second Illinois state senate bill — the one that state senator Obama voted NAY on — was IDENTICAL to that passed unanimously by the U.S. Senate.
Today, I wake up and find out that the MSM has begun to discover exactly what I knew in 2007. There are numerous media reports (check Memeorandum.com). The article I choose to feature is that by David Freddoso, the author of the new book on Obama — which happens (and isn’t this interesting) to be the ONLY book that the Obama camp does not attack. Why is the Obama campaign not attacking that book? Might it be because a true journalist has written a truthful book? Could the REAL AGENDA of the Obama camp behind its all-out attack on blowhard Jerome Corsi’s book be because they wish to divert attention from David Freddoso’s far better book?
In today’s “Life Lies: Barack Obama and Born-Alive.,” Mr. Fredosso — who earned a master’s degree in journalism from Columbia University, one of the toughest journalism schools to get into in the nation — writes:
In 2001, Senator Barack Obama was the only member of the Illinois senate to speak against a bill that would have recognized premature abortion survivors as “persons.” The bill was in response to a Chicago-area hospital that was leaving such babies to die. Obama voted “present” on the bill after denouncing it. It passed the state Senate but died in a state house committee.
In 2003, a similar bill came before Obama’s health committee. He voted against it. But this time, the legislation was slightly different. This latter version was identical to the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which by then had already passed the U.S. Senate unanimously (with a hearty endorsement even from abortion advocate Sen. Barbara Boxer) and had been signed into law by President Bush. …
Fredosso then addresses Sen. Obama’s immediate predicament:
Sen. Obama is currently misleading people about what he voted against, specifically claiming that the bill he voted against in his committee lacked “neutrality” language on Roe v. Wade. The bill did contain this language. He even participated in the unanimous vote to put it in.
Obama’s work against the bill to protect premature babies represents one of two times in his political career, along with his speech against the Iraq war, that he really stuck out his neck for something that might hurt him politically. Unlike his Iraq speech, Obama is deeply embarrassed about this one — so embarrassed that he is offering a demonstrable falsehood in explanation for his actions. Fortunately, the documents showing the truth are now available.
At the end of last week, Obama gave an interview to CBN’s David Brody in which he repeated the false claim that the born-alive bills he worked, spoke, and voted against on this topic between 2001 and 2003 would have negatively affected Roe v. Wade. This has always been untrue, but, until last week, it appeared to be a debatable point that depended on one’s interpretation of the bill language. Every single version of the bill was neutral on Roe. Each one affected only babies already born, not ones in the womb.
“Every single version of the bill was neutral on Roe.” That is NOT what Obama’s devoted followers have been telling you, is it?
What is worse is that Obama made this disastrous decision as late as 2003:
But in 2003, in the health committee which he chaired, Obama voted against a version of the bill that contained the specific “neutrality” language — redundant language affirming that the bill only applied to infants already born and granted no rights to the unborn. You can visit the Illinois legislature’s website here to see the language of the “Senate Amendment 1,” which was added in a unanimous 10-0 vote in the committee before Obama helped kill it. This is the so-called “neutrality clause” on Roe that everyone is talking about: …
Mr. Freddoso then provides the actual language of the state senate bill, as well as the TRUE history of eyewitnesses to the Illinois state senate deliberations.
Here is a link to the single-page version of Mr. Freddoso’s entire article today.
This saga reveals far too many disturbing problems about Mr. Obama’s character and decision-making abilities:
(1) He took orders, supposedly, from a lobbying group without thinking through the ramifications;
(2) He let lobbying money determine his vote on a matter that is highly sensitive and disturbing to ALL human beings, not just to right-to-life zealots;
(3) He didn’t consider how people would instantly react to the entire idea — that no one, in the extremely rare instances in which an infant might happen to be born alive following an abortion, would ever set an infant down on a table and let it die without doing everything possible to keep it alive. Only the cruelest person would ever do such a thing. It has NOTHING to do with politics. It has EVERYTHING to do with having a heart.
(4) And now he is repeatedly lying about those incredibly ill-advised and illogical decisions during his tenure as a part-time state senator.
It is bad enough that he didn’t think through the implications of his votes in the 1990s and as late as 2003.
It is worse that he has taken out a shovel, and is digging himself in deeper.
All of this, both his past bad decisions and his current ill-advised decision to prevaricate, will profoundly affect voters — no matter their liberal or conservative preferences.
Mr. Freddoso concludes his article with this additional proof, and a sad repetition of Mr. Obama’s continuing lies:
[A]fter the above amendment was added to change the original bill, making it identical to the federal Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, Obama and five other Democrats voted to kill it. They killed the same bill that the U.S. Senate had passed unanimously. Here is the interview in which Sen. Obama offers his false explanation once again, which is contradicted not only by eyewitnesses but also by the records of his own committee:
…I hate to say that people are lying, but here’s a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported — which was to say — that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born - even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade.
The senator is right. Someone is lying.
And now it is left to the Democratic party to clean up the mess it has created for itself.
Good luck, DNC. You’re going to need it.
You did not properly vet this man.
You ignored articles such as mine and Larry Johnson’s.
We were not consumed with hatred, as you chose to believe.
We were genuinely worried that you were missing the opportunity to elect a truly qualified candidate whose life was already an open book, and who wouldn’t be subjected to the fact-checking in the HEAT of a post-primary presidential campaign.
Have you forgotten that the entire purpose of a long primary contest is to VET THE CANDIDATES?
Have you forgotten that the importance of a LONG primary contest is to give people the time needed to stop “falling in love” with a candidate — to get past the honeymoon phase — and to really take a HARD look at the candidate?
Here’s a news flash: Not only is the honeymoon over, but you are walking down the aisle and into a BAD MARRIAGE.
But note that I just wrote that you are still “walking down the aisle.”
There is time to turn around and walk out.
You have precisely one week left to come to your senses.
Will you react like too many brides and grooms? Will you worry about all the guests you’ve already invited? Will you fret about the caterers and wedding planners you’ve already paid? Will you be too afraid to confront your soon-to-be spouse?
Or will you save yourself, at the last instant, from the worst mistake of your lives?
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
Outstanding!!! Will The DNC ever wake up? What is wrong with them. Obama will lose in November over this issue alone.
I will be on Ed hales radio show tonight at 6 pm Mountain time. here is the link to call in.
http://www.plainsradio.com/
Hillary is voting for Obama.
She’s a genius.
Larry Johnson?
Not so much.
shut up you fucking ASSHOLE. You stupid ass ungrateful and unpatriotic bots never cease to amaze me. You never address anything said about Obama, you just say stupid, trivial, non sensical shit. Go crawl back in your maggot infested hole.
Hillary is campaigning for Obama
because that’s her job, genius.
Larry Johnson and other private citizens?
Free to vote as they please!
thanks for playing, better luck next time.
“Hillary is voting for Obama.”
But the majority of Americans will vote for John McCain in November.
That’s all that matters.
Bet she pulls the lever FOR MCCAIN you T-ball generation entitlement freaks.
“T-ball Generation!”
F**king Excellent… so descriptive of the candy-ass, whiny little shits who so desperately need the spanking they’re gonna get this fall.
Great comment…
And you?
You’re so frightened about the outcome, because you know–and so does Hillary–that her die-hard supporters are NOT gonna go along and vote for your Messiah.
That’s why you’re here, to do a little “Nanny nanny boo boo” number, hoping to depress opposition, and persuade us to “go along and get along.”
All your hectoring does, though, is show us how truly afraid you are.
We measure your fear by your numbers here. And you poor fools are VERY AFRAID, apparently!
You, personally, rate a seven point nine on the PUMA FEAR meter!
Shouldn’t you be on Daily Kos?
I did my research on Obama and discovered information on Born Alive way back in late January. I wrote letteres to USA Today, The Washington Post and I blogged on numerous sights about it. I knew then, that this would be THE deal breaker should he get the nomination. Why did the Newspapers refuse to print letters on it? Research it for themselves? I don’t know. I also wrote Sean Hannity, who I have heard repeating almost verbatem my pleas on the air in the last week…with hannity I can at least understand the political motivation to sit on the info until August, after all he is Conservative and he like most Republicans did not want to face Hillary in the fall, but why did fair and impartial publications choose to ignore any damning info like this? They have all been in the tank for Obama all along, and so is AOL. Nowadays it’s not only accepted but expected from a Newsperson to give us their viewpoints as the facts we should base our decisions on, the unvarnished truth might cause us to think for ourselves (God Forbid)! Glad it is out now, but Teflon boy will probably spin it by the end of the week as something he was against all along and he even opposed the Prfesident and John McCain on it!!!!
Bo has a BO problem. His stench is far reaching. so BO fan, deal with this. Senator Clinton is a genius despite the fact that she must back BO, but I don’t know ANYONE who is voting for BO in my circle, my area etc…
so knock yourself out because you’re in trouble!
J.
the Obama campaign had to admit Barry was lying on BAIPA at Saddleback
http://jillstanek.com
Of course he was lying. His vote against BAIPA was well-documented. Goes to show he he will say or do whatever is politically expedient. He does not operate from prinicpals or beliefs. He is the ultimate politician. I want a LEADER. NOBAMA!
If the baby was born,and lived for 45 minutes,without care,someone should be responsible for it dying…Isn’t this a murderous act…Didn’t doctors take an oath to save all beings…. There’s a nurse that held the baby in question,for 45 minutes…She will be interviewed this week with Sean Hannity…That story of the baby being born, and thrown in a linen closet,was discusting..I think if an Abortion goes bad, and the baby lives,than this is still a child of God,and should be given every opportunity of LIFE..
Shame on Obama,for not knowing what he was doing.
Do superdelegates have souls?
If so, they’d better vote for Hillary and save the party before it collapses entirely.
Thanks for this post Susan. Thanks for your tireless work.
Perhaps I should have asked, “can superdelegates read?”
No. They sold their souls for money from Obama’s PAC. They’re bought and paid for.
Yes, I agree, listen up DNC:
“There is time to turn around and walk out.
You have precisely one week left to come to your senses.
Will you react like too many brides and grooms? Will you worry about all the guests you’ve already invited? Will you fret about the caterers and wedding planners you’ve already paid? Will you be too afraid to confront your soon-to-be spouse?
Or will you save yourself, at the last instant, from the worst mistake of your lives?”–SusanUnPC
When I see Dean and Pelosi, I`m reminded of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eow041tUPBA&feature=related
Nancy Pelosi, who called him “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_I_will_win.html
More Messiah nonsense. Pelosi has to got to go. She has lost all credibility. No wonder her approval rating is at 4%. I wouldn’t even give her that.
How about minus zero? She’s become a disgrace.
I was so proud of her when she took the gavel that day upon her installation as Speaker. Always a rabid Dem but never a Feminist, still I wept seeing a woman take that role.
How the mighty have fallen.
Never a feminist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Women are so damned stupid when they make this remark.
Are you not a human being?
Sorry — cover yourself with with a shroud.
Too bad the men folk let you use this Internet -thing.
/snark
Perhaps Trinity Church choir will sing and McClurkin will speak at the convention.
Gotta include “everyone” - ya know.
Botox paralyses your muscles.
I think pelosi misused it.
It should not be injected into your brain.
Like any drug misuse it causes judgement problems.
Pelosi should step down due to health problems.
I don’t know if dean is on drugs or not but he seems to have a bad case of foot in mouth disease.
He also should step down due to health problems.
brazille is just a racist hate filled person with no redeeming value.
she should step down for the good of the country.
backtrack needs some more time with his cousin to truly understand how good it is to live in America and the oportunities everyone has in this country.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS, AND THOSE PEOPLE RULE
She’s nuts too–she’s even managed to piss off the far left of the party, as well as the moderates and conservatives.
Steny Hoyer may yet get that gavel.
As a GOPer from NYC who’s had firsthand experience of how hard Hillary works for her constituents, I must echo SusanUnPC’s thoughts on the live birth issue. I believe that even the majority of pro-Choice folks would be turned off by Obama’s vote on the issue of abortion survivors.
His vote will be used to stir up the base. His evangelical outreach is dead in the water as far as I’m concerned.
The “above my pay grade” comment in response to abortion will only add to his elitist caricature.
Hillary, I could have lived with, afterall she’s been my Senator for 8 years (hell I even voted for her in 2006), and the fight she put up in the primaries against overwhelming odds made me feel real confident of how she’d perform on the world stage.
Barry…not so much.
Susan….the words are hard to come by….as a mother I am appalled that Obama helped kill the bill…it hurts my heart. And the tears keep welling up…what an a$$wipe….does he really care so little for a baby’s life! I guess the answer is yet. I can recall that callous comment about unwanted babies in the primary! And this is what the DNC gives! Can I throw up now?
Sal I got to hear about Hillary’s work in New York State at an Undecided Party in Indiana. I listened to Lee Beaulac talk about the work she did for family farmers, for the wine industry still a budding industry….the oldes winery being just 20 yrs old….and the craft people…I was stunned. I let my wander for a bit….I thought if she could do this for New York State I became aware of the fact she could do so much for all of us! I will trade one of my senator’s for Hillary anyday. You are so very fortunate to have Hillary as your Senator. Kudos to you for being brace and voting for her!
nods, she really has worked very hard, and I had serious doubts about the base being revved up to face her because she had earned a lot of kudos from the GOP Senators she worked with.
heh, it wasn’t that brave to vote for her…she got 70%, and I’m positive that she got massive crossover votes from other GOPers like myself who would rather have a Dem fighting for us in the Senate than some lightweight, inexperienced candidate (even though he was a Republican) who made sexist remarks during the election. Wow, I guess history does repeat itself.
I just *love* how Barry S threw Planned Parenthood under the bus to justify his lies…
We should all demand that PP issue a statement about this. As a PP supporter for over 20 years, this really tees me off.
Way to go Barky!
Obama scares the hell out of me sometimes. America cannot be teetering on the brink of disaster like this.
Being a life long democrat I’ve tried to like Obama. I’ve tried to screen the fact from fiction about him. But the fact remains, the DNC didn’t vet this man. They have given us a communist at worst and a ill-prepared nobody at best. I cannot and will not in good conscience fall in line and vote for this disaster of a candidate.
God, what kind of a bubble to the Super Ds live in?
You have my sympathies. I went through the same issues in 2004 with Bush v. Kerry.
I still don’t know what I will do when I receive my absentee ballot in October.
It will be a terrible decision to have to make.
The DNC could come to its senses, in the nick of time. But, frankly, I think that — like most hesitant brides and grooms — they will chicken out and walk down the aisle.
Then they will, far too soon, rue what they’ve just done. (Actually, I’m pretty sure they are already regretting the hole they’ve dug for themselves but they are afraid to do anything about it.)
what do you mean you don’t know what you’ll do when you get your absentee ballot-what’s to know?
It is to our advantage not to state — at this time — what we intend to do.
As my mother used to advise me about my boyfriends, “Keep them guessing.”
My mother was correct. And — I’m laughing as I recall this — she practiced her advice as well! (She had so many suitors when she became single again, at the time that I was a young adult. She was beautiful. She was smart. She was charming and gregarious. When I visited her, she often had me take her calls, which was all part of her modus operandi to “keep them guessing.”
She refused to be “easy” to get.
We should be similarly difficult. By playing our cards too quickly we LOSE all of our leverage with the Democratic party.
And I fully intend to keep my intentions secret until I cast my ballot in late October.
I may not even share my vote with the readers here.
“Keep them guessing.”
That is OUR leverage — our sole leverage — at this time.
Exploit it.
Do not declare that you are stubbornly committed to McCain. Besides, you honestly do not know that you won’t feel differently by November.
Much depends on what transpires in the intervening time.
Much depends on which running mate that BOTH candidates choose.
The VP choice is especially important given Sen. McCain’s age. We cannot commit without knowing who he selects and then conducting our own “due diligence” of the V.P. choice.
We have time.
It’s the DNC that is running out of time.
I agree with you, Susan.
After all, the choice isn’t just between Obama and McCain.
There’s Cynthia McKinney, as well!
The “What–ME Racist?” candidate! She’s black and so are her parents.
Then there’s that WRITE IN option.
And a host of other Naderesque characters.
No sense in letting ANYONE count on our votes. They belong to US, after all.
I agree with you, Susan.
After all, the choice isn’t just between Obama and McCain.
There’s Cynthia McKinney, as well!
The “What–ME Racist?” candidate! She’s black and so are her parents.
Then there’s that WRITE IN option.
And a host of other Naderesque characters.
No sense in letting ANYONE count on our votes. They belong to US, after all.
:p
I empathize Susan! I will be voting BIG MAC if Hill is not on that ballot..
thank you for all the work you did on this issue, I am going back to read the previous piece now..
I will definitely be voting McCain if Hillary is not on the ballot.
I, for one, will not be an accomplice to the DNC’s destruction of the party, and our country.
Four years of McCain doesn’t scare me as much as eight years of Obama.
Hillary first
McCain if I must
The “white-haired dude” is growing on me
Susan — Great Article. Obama is one scary dude. He seems to have no feelings about anyone but himself–where would that leave the rest of us living Americans? Dem Governors and State Party Chairs in swing states are beginning to grumble. They can see what lies ahead but being Democrats would they rather die then not be Politically Correct?
Obama has no heart; just a cardio-vascular system.
Well, Dick Cheney is his relative. Family DNA perhaps?
Off topic but where is Cheney? Haven’t heard anything about his stinky ass in ages?
You guessed the surprise ending to all this.
The crowd will go wild when Dick Cheney appears in Denver and wheezes “Barry, I am your father.”
The light saber duel will be great.
LOL! Thanks for that one Arabella!
The ease with which he calls into the question the credibility of others when called out on his own duplicity is breathtaking.
I am stunned at how easy it is for him to lie and damn others.
..and damn others by pretending they’ve done what he actually did.
Brilliant, Susan! How many people have the guts to stand up and say “This is a mistake and I will not be part of it?”
I understand there are discussions underway to keep everyone’s vote secret. Ordinarily secret ballots are good but when you represent other people and make decisions that affect them you should stand up and be counted - you owe it to them.
Comment by Ellen D | 2008-08-18 10:35:52
I understand there are discussions underway to keep everyone’s vote secret. Ordinarily secret ballots are good but when you represent other people and make decisions that affect them you should stand up and be counted - you owe it to them.
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I thought a ’secret ballot’ was always done previously during the first roll call???) Anyway, considering the vicious attacks made on those who are speaking out against Barry Obama(Soetoro) perhaps those delegates who are afraid to stand up and be counted but don’t want to vote for him would be happy with a ’secret ballot’…. You think?
Especially as he has invited many East Africans to the convention (Kenya and probably the Odinga mob). Scary stuff.
Also, the Illinois Mob Degration has a special place. They can’t get along enough in the state to pass a budget, yet they will crowning their king in Denver.
Put the FBI on alert, they can swoop in and get them all at one time. What a sting operation that will be.
Who would let those infants die on the table?? This is heartbreaking. If Obama becomes the nominee, I really hope the GOP attacks him on this issue, and I will cheer them on for the first time in my life.
Guaranteed they will.
believe me, THEY WILL…the clueless bots are in for a very rude awakening. I am pro choice but live birth abortion is absolutely disgusting. Republicans are going to take Obama apart piece by piece and I am going to be watching closely while his charming facade melts away and everyone can see what a fake, phony and liar he is.
The whole abortion issue just breaks my heart. It’s the 21st century. Do people realize how much science and medicine has advanced since the birth control pill was invented in the 60’s and Roe v. Wade in the 70’s??????? There is no justifiable reason why abortion is not a very rare occurence and why children are not brought into this country planned and very much wanted. Just think of all the money! and energy wasted on fighting over the issue. Now imagine that money and energy directed towards education and effective, easy, and readily obtainable contraception. Shameful. Women and babies have become a political football- used by all sides!
Obama and the netroots: looking a tad desperate these days
18 Aug 2008 10:38 am
Megan’s Fourth Law of Politics: The party that starts looking for implausible and unprovable conspiracy theories about the opposition candidate is in trouble.
This spring, it was bizarre accusations against Barack Obama: he’s a closet muslim, his wife is a black nationalist, etc. Now, suddenly, the Democrats are the one frantically hunting for buried treasure.
First, the solemn questions about a trivial anecdote from John McCain’s time as a prisoner of war:
McCain’s been getting a lot of mileage out of his “Christianity-in-captivity” story. It’s been in ads, and speeches, and his talks from the pulpit. And for good reason: It’s extraordinarily affecting. In it, McCain is spending another Christmas Day locked in a Vietnamese prison. A guard walks up to him and, with his foot, etches a cross in the dirt. McCain and his captor stare at the symbol for a moment, before the guard scratches it away and leaves McCain to his thoughts. “To me, that was faith,” says McCain. “A faith that unites and never divides, a faith that bridges unbridgeable gaps in humanity.”
http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/obama_and_the_netroots_looking.php
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Brilliant post, the mainstream media has let us down again. Media needs to ask real questions and stop giving Barack Obama a pass.
http://larrysinclairbarackobama.com/
I just read an article saying both McCain and Obambi received the questions beforehand that Rick Warner and his mega zombie church were going to use at the Q&A-
how many ppl know that obambi had the opportunity to prepare ahead of time to answer those questions?
i doubt very many
I must reply to my own post- I just went to one of the ridiculous liberal websites where their ignorance allows them to drool over Obama endlessly, and look at the idiocy on their first page at MyDD , very first paragraph.
they BITCH about McCain getting a heads up on the questions BUT they don’t mention that Obambi also got a heads up on the questions..
this is typical of an imbecile who supports the unqualified super dangerous obambi campaign.
false information, lies, manipulations of the truth…
these people must really hate this country and spit on the american flag daily to live these lies in order to get this clown into the white house.. they truly don’t give a shit about what’s right and wrong and legal and what’s best for this country.
I feel a civil war a’brewin and I’m ready for it. McCain and his republican views are wrong for this country and Obambi is just outright dangerous to our constitution.
Obama must be stopped, at all costs, he must be stopped.
If that means a McCain donation and vote, then that’s what it will be- but people need to stop Obama. period.
BJ-
I heard about the Obama camp uproar about the Saddlebrook interviews during C Span Washington Journal program this morning.
My take on situation? Sen Obama did so poorly on that interview so what MAY be happening here is that The Obama camp is falling back to their cry of
“The best defense is a good offense”
Detract/divert attention from Sen Obama’s poor performance at Saddlebrook by MANUFACTURING a controversy surrounding the event.
In that way, Sen Obama never has to answer for anything but his opponent or someone else-doesnt matter who- is diverting public attention by fighting a ‘false’ attack made by the Obama camp.
See this picture to the right of the story! This was before the forum. They met on stage first shook hands and McCain went to the “green” room.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/17/AR2008081700471.html
Here is a quote from the WAPO article:
Here’s another:
Besides,McCain was the exact opposite of Obama, are his supporters claiming McCain copied him?..Ridiculous.
troll—we know the truth here. go spin your eObot lies to the young and dumb.
They did the EXACT SAME THING when ABC challenged Obama in the last primary debate. It became all about how awful ABC was, instead of what a dreadful performance BO gave.
I saw Rick warren on TV, he said he only gave the first question to both of them in advance. All the BOTS at Huff are all saying McCain had the questions in advance, that he wasn’t in the “Cone of silence” etc. McCain does these question and answer deals at least twice a week, he is very comforable answering questions. Obama is only good reading the teleprompter, he’s terrible the rest of the time. I can’t understand why the BOTS haven’t noticed this before, guess they were too high on the Kool-Aid.
As if ANY of those questions weren’t or haven’t been after-dinner topics in any gathering of bipeds of reasonable intelligence for the last 25 years or so…or, at our house before the Offspring went off to Kollege.
This from MYDD:
If true, that’s terrible news for us, because it suggests that even if we can massively outspend McCain, we’re still falling behind.
For all the money spent in July, there is no evidence that it had much benefit for Obama.
There’s not much reason to suppose that Obama will end up with a gigantic $$ advantage - maybe 10 or 20 million, give or take a few million.
So, if the extra millions aren’t keeping Obama in the lead, I wonder how the hell are we going to rebuild the lead?
I want some good news. Can anybody cheer me up?
What the heck is going to turn the situation around?
The DNC Convention? Ohmygosh - it looks like an exercise in futility, with all kinds of mind games being played by the PUMAs.
I don’t see the convention helping us much at all.
The VP? Who the heck is going to give Obama a boost? To me, it looks like Hillary is the only one who can get him out of the jam that she created, but he ain’t gonna pick Hillary, so the PUMAs are going to wreak their revenge.
This is not looking good. The way things are going, I would not be surprised to see McCain win the election by an electoral landslide.
I’m sure Obama and his family needed a vacation, but it was during his vacation that the poll numbers really started to tank.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/8/18/21729/3376
I love it when Obamabots have panic attacks. That’s right, they should be very afraid.
It’s amusing to see that they are still blaming Hillary though. When will those kids ever grow up and stop blaming other people?
oh, ferchrisesakes, mydd poster. We TRIED TO WARN YOU PEOPLE for a full, solid year. We tried to tell you the truth, present you with facts, offer you the opportunity to avail yourself of some REALITY-BASED critical thinking.
You were having NONE OF IT.
So, hearing your whining now is vindication for us, but it’s a bitter vindication, since we are STILL trying to reason with you, despite the fact that you have BANNED us from commenting on your sites.
My God. These people make my head explode.
I will feel no joy in November, no matter who wins, because the campaign will be between Obama and McCain. The best candidate for the job was, is, and will be Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. If McCain wins, I’ll be glad that the DNC and the Elitist Plutocracy that are ruining this party with Barack Obama, will be TOAST.
Tell the truth!
Unless Hillary is the nominee in about a week, we have already lost for the next four years.
McCain will be a consolation prize.
I’ll take it. Mac gets the Ding Dong’s every now and then, and his lack of executive experience in the private sector is of some convern to me.
But, he is what he is.
And I’m pretty comfortable with what he is.
So the BOTS are starting to blame Hillary for Obama being himself already. This is just so funny, it’s HILLARY’s FAULT that Obama went to Wright’s Church for 20 years and told him to vote for leaving live aborted babies in the closet to die. This one vote that Obama actually made, as opposed to all the votes he skipped or voted “Present” on, will be his doom. Donna Brazile thought he would be getting the Church votes? She must be on Crack. No, this loss for the DEMS is on the back of Coward Dean, Donna Brazile and Nancy Pelosi, they picked Obama, well George Soros too.
“She MADE me do it!!! WAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHH! It’s…it’s…all HER fault!! WAAAAAAAAAGHHHH!”Now, that’s LEADERSHIP!!
Bwahahahahahaha!
money can buy many things and many people but right and wrong is not one of them.
it looks like an exercise in futility, with all kinds of mind games being played by the PUMAs.
OMG–I love that! Watch them squirm. GO PUMAS!
I thought that group believed that there are only 4 or 5 PUMAs and they are all Republicans. What’s changed?
I read that Obama had a hissy-fit when someone brought this subject up following one of his stump speech performances. No wonder. This is really damning material from the man who said he would never be swayed or bought by lobbyists. And this vote is truly disgusting.
What a sad joke!
Yep, this was on Saturday, I think after McCain ate his lunch at Saddleback:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfq2uBN6wj4
Obama flat-out lied, and got pissy about it, too!
Instead of the saddleback forum, it should have been called the brokeback forum because obama got “buggered” ! What a bumbling idiot. ” its above my pay scale ” barack obama…… Every question is above his pay scale… vote McCain, hero, vote obama,zero….i hate him.
Speaking of jokes, check out how much money he has gotten from General Dynamics and the Crown Family of Chicago, who own that warmongering, weapons-making franchise, over the years…and then, take note of his multi-million dollar earmark request to benefit…wow, what a shock…General Dynamics!
This guy doesn’t lie down with LOBBYISTS…
Oh, no, no, no, no, NO!!!!
:nono:He cuts out the middleman, and goes RIGHT to the source of the cash! Can you say Quid Pro Quo, Children?
Ka-CHING!!
I’m waiting for the crescendo…the “ah ha” moment when all this is out there without the bots trying to obfuscate it.
I still can’t believe Soetoro is even close in the EV count…. I want to seem him down by 30 EV’s at least and falling. I want his poll numbers to drop right now.
Thank you Susan.
Don’t let the polls fool you.
The MSM are (and have been since January) manufacturing Obama’s “leads” in the polls. As was proven multiple times during the Democratic primary.
Obama’s in trouble.
Slow motion train wreck. Obama will be nominated and then defeated in November.
Here comes the bride…dum dum da dum
If the DNC is the bride, watch out for Fraudenstien Obama.
Again the MSM is providing a great diservice to America by failing to inform voters about Obama’s vote on this. All the Obama campaign does is belittle anyone who questions his character by saying we should focus on issues that are important.
Well his little voting record is the only evidence we have to see what he really does on issues.
Well both Obama and the DNC have cheated before the wedding so we already know how the marriage will play out.
and PUMA has the divorce papers waiting.
Irreconcilable Incompetence.
Too young for marriage- they should’ve waited 8 years..
LOL!! Damned right.
and Obot called into AM talk radio this morning railing about how unethical McCain was for cheating by knowing the questions last night - he was sure of it b/c Andrea Mitchell said so - and how he was proud to finally be voting for the honest and ethical Obama. puleeeze. alternate reality. parallel universe.
McCain camp rebukes NBC:
Here is the text of the letter:
August 17, 2008
Mr. Steve Capus
President, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112
Steve:
We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to undercut John Mc
Nowhere was this more evident than with NBC chief correspondent Andrea Mitchell’s comments on “Meet the Press” this morning. In analyzing last night’s presidential forum at Saddleback Church, Mitchell expressed the Obama campaign spin that John McCain could only have done so well last night because he “may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama.” Here are Andrea Mitchell’s comments in full:
Mitchell: “The Obama people must feel that he didn’t do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because what they are putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well-prepared.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 8/17/08)
Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night’s forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of “Meet the Press” viewers with no indication that 1.) There’s not one shred of evidence that it’s true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren’s idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, “I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;” 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.
Indeed, instead of taking a critical journalistic approach to this spin, Andrea Mitchell did what has become a pattern for her of simply repeating Obama campaign talking points.
This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign’s spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama’s segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President…..
We are concerned that your News Division is following MSNBC’s lead in abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race. We would like to request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss our deep concerns about the news standards and level of objectivity at NBC.
Sincerely,
Rick Davis
Campaign Manager
John McCain 2008
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12594.html
please note my post a bit above
they both got the questions ahead of time!!!
Topic Areas, not the questions! Both should have been prepared. How hard is it to ponder questions that could be covered? Even when taking essay exams I used my imagination and wrote down possible questions that could be asked! Hasn’t anyone done this before. Does anyone remember taking tests, SATs maybe, you knew the topics but not the answer. What did you do? You boned up on equations, etc……
I had for one figured out some of the questions that would have been asked…..the first one I knew would be asked A question about abortion (it was set in a church with an audience consisting of congregants), the next question I figured would be something about presidential advisers….I didn’t expect anything hard….figured it would be failr softball style question!
McCain knows who he is; he should he is 70+ years old.
Obama is an infant.
I am only two years older than him and have mush more “experience” then he does. I saw some of the world while I was in the Navy even hosted members of the British Navy in my home while I was active duty, I think I have more qualifications than Obama….
Obama’s whole problem is he is not a policy wonk nor does he understand the ramifications of his policies. Ahem, excuse me, what policies?
MSNBC gets their “news” from dailykos these days. Seriously. The big orange moron had a huge thread yesterday morning titled something like “McCain Cheated” - hundreds of whining comments.
Soon after, just like magic, Andrea Mitchell is “reporting” on MSNBC that McCain had the questions beforehand! Of course, then we have the falling of the dominoes - CNN and everybody else pick up their “news” from MSNBC - and there you have it - the “truth” as supplied by the obamamedia and shoved down Americans’ throats.
We all know that KO gets EVERYTHING he “reports” from the “geniuses” at that orange place - he even posts there - since they’re his only audience.
“We all know that KO gets EVERYTHING he “reports” from the “geniuses” at that orange place - he even posts there - since they’re his only audience.”
LOL. So true, Firefly!
The blog is a monument to his own ego. Would anybody follow this blog if Larry J had called it the Daily Johnson? It should be called Daily Kool Aid.
Did you think through that “Daily Johnson” one all the way?
I nearly spewed coffee across the room. Imagine the headline, “Puma’s want Daily Johnson…”
Brilliant post, Susan.
But I’m one of those who does not believe it is an accident that the DNC did not vet BO beforehand. The real story will be why didn’t they? What the heck is really going on in the DNC?
I always thought it was really strange that Bill Daley, then head of the DNC, did not fight harder for Gore in 2000 — there were legal challenges galore that could have been brought, and suddenly the DNC just went limp and silent. ??
I think you’re exactly right. The “loopy left” has taken over the machinery of the Democratic Party, just as they did in the late 60’s and early 70’s. Barry was the most extreme liberal they could find …. and plus he was BLACK!!! …. so they did everything they could, including not investigating his background properly, to make sure he got the nomination.
I’ve said it here before, but it’s worth posting again. If the Democratic Party wants to start winning national elections again, you need to tell your Michael Moore/George Soros/Daily Kos/MoveOn.org wind to go screw themselves. Let ‘em go form their own little fringe party and run Ralph Nader every four years while you move the Democratic Party back to the center.
Don’t you know, it that would have been RACIST!
It may not be an accident that the Democrats did not vet him, or they may know everything and don’t care or think they can con enough people into voting for him that it doesn’t matter to them.
The last 8 years under Bush have been horrible. It is difficult for either the Democrats or the Republicans to do worse. But I think the Democrats have done much worse with Obama, which is becoming clearer to more and more people as time goes on.
Barack seems to be a compulsive liar.
The Democrats are either incompetent fools or there is one big, juicy, real conspiracy going on here.
I’m going with incompetent fools.
What a great post. You guys are spot on! The analogy of the bride walking down the aisle is genius.
Barry Soetoro, …liar, liar, pants on fire!
I can’t imagine that this issue will not bring him down, once and for all if the MSM finally starts doing their job, reporting the facts on this guy.
Would be a great question for any town hall meetings between Barry and Senator McCain. Would also be a great issue to paper Denver with.
Again, genius!
Big “if”. The MSM have shown no intention of doing their jobs.
This has to be a nightmare
I am so tired of all things Obama. I am also tired of those nasty little Obamabots.
If this is a nightmare, please pinch me NOW!
PUMA!
On to Denver!!!!
He’ll lose, and lose big. It’s been in the cards since the early primaries. Many of we TRUE Democrats who had the foresight to realize this long ago supported Hillary for just that reason: We wanted a Dem in the White House and in our guts we knew Obama would not be a successful candidate in November. Now, many months later, we are daily discovering new things about him that will ensure his loss.
Unfortunately, I believe the only satisfaction we have coming to us will be our ability to say “I told you so” after the General Election.
Oblahblah has maxed out on his appeal. He’s garnering no new support whatsoever. Undecideds at this point will, no doubt in my mind, conclude that McCain is the better of the two candidates.
“Unfortunately, I believe the only satisfaction we have coming to us will be our ability to say “I told you so” after the General Election.”
JML,
There MUST be more to this than “I told you so.” There has been a terrible attack on the democratic process and it is imperative that the culprits be removed. I’m sorry, but this type of attitude appears to be the same one that got us in this fix to begin with. We can’t just identify the problem and figure its fixed. There must be consequences to the actions of these fools and WE, unfortunately are the ones who have to implement them.
So, everyone who thought that their senior years were going to be a skate, Its Wake Up Time!
Those damned kids that we, as a group, did such a shitty job of raising aren’t going away. They are still going to do things with their heads up their asses because that’s what we taught them.
They aren’t all stupid so I feel that they can be taught, but I sure had other plans…
Oh well, as Ma says, “Life is hard, then you die…”
The GOP is going to hammer Obama on this, and rightly so. I am personally OK with abortion as long as it’s done within the 1st trimester. But the idea of “partial birth abortions” in which a live infant is partially delivered and then killed is out & out murder to me. The very thought of it disgusts me. Any candidate who voted in favor of condoning this barbaric procedure, let alone a candidate for POTUS, should be roasted alive. Barack Obama can kiss the south goodbye, including Virginia.
I’m with you, Dan R. It’s disgusting.
When this story comes out, he can kiss Georgia goodbye.
Did you pay any attention to the congressional hearings on this issue? Late term abortions are not done as an easy elective — they happen because of tragic circumstances. I remember one of the testifiers was an observant, anti-abortion Catholic who needed a late term abortion because the baby was not viable and the delivery would prevent the mother ever having other children. Let women and doctors make this very personal decision. Medical issues should remain private.
Obama seems to get it backwards in hi quest to be JFK. It’s not “Ask not what your country can do for you…as what you can do for your country”. He seems to believe it’s all about what the country can do for him.
This guy is one of the most self-absorbed navel contemplaters I’ve ever experienced. I know that this is borne out of an almost pathological insecurity about himself, but really, that’s still not acceptable. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a President who truly does think about other people instead of himself and what he can get for himself out of his time in office?
Susan upc
EXCELLENT post. Thank you. Good highlights provided from the book . I have not read it but will do so.
Thank you.
Based upon the book’s highlights you provide above, Sen Obama’s decision making format in this case follows along the philosophy espoused by Community Organizing guru Saul Alinsky:
http://www.windycitizen.com/2008/07/ask-a-community-organizer-what-is-community-organizing-anyway
PLEASE read my comment (athy) on this windy city blog about who Sen Obama’s ‘real base’ is…
When I read this part of your post (see below) the connection was immediate for me…
“This saga reveals far too many disturbing problems about Mr. Obama’s character and decision-making abilities:
(1) He took orders, supposedly, from a lobbying group without thinking through the ramifications;
(2) He let lobbying money determine his vote on a matter that is highly sensitive and disturbing to ALL human beings, not just to right-to-life zealots;
(3) He didn’t consider how people would instantly react to the entire idea — that no one, in the extremely rare instances in which an infant might happen to be born alive following an abortion, would ever set an infant down on a table and let it die without doing everything possible to keep it alive. Only the cruelest person would ever do such a thing. It has NOTHING to do with politics. It has EVERYTHING to do with having a heart”
The panic evident from the ‘bots at MYDD just warms my heart this morning!
My 45-yr old brother has an Obama sticker on his car. He knows I hate Barry and I gave him as much background as I could fit into a short period of time yesterday. I told him about Chicago politics and how he’d eliminated every person who ever ran against him. How he basically did the same to Hillary with race baiting.
I asked him about all the flip-flops–he wasn’t happy about them but had no excuses. I asked him how Barry was qualified to be CIC and he tried to compare him to Kennedy. (Not). I asked what qualifies him to be President and he said he would bring change to Washington. Good grief. The only repost he had was to say something about McCain. I told him I wouldn’t defend McCain but that I thought I might vote for him because I am so disgusted with the DNC.
I’m afraid once they drink the Kool Aid they are totally committed.
Your Brother is right, look at The Change he has bought so far is:
Change on FISA
Change on Campaign Finance
Change on Abortion
Change, Change, Change…..
Flip Flop, Flip Flop……
Just remind him that the Cuban people wanted “change” in 1959. They got “change” all right. “Change” just by itself is not always a good thing.
John Kennedy
Was a Naval Officer in command of a US Navy PT boat, who distinguished himself in combat during wartime.
Had almost FIFTEEN YEARS on the Hill in Washington, DC–first as a member of the US House of Representatives, then as a US Senator.
Compare that to a PART-TIME job in a STATE legislature, a couple of years as a
social workercommunity organizer, and a PART TIME job lecturing at a law school.We knew John Kennedy. He’s no John Kennedy!
Closer to a Dan Quayle…if you ask me. Though Quayle had more … EXPERIENCE!!!
:rofl:In all his Heartland Doofusness, it was hard to really dislike Quayle, who was a walking example of, “regression towards the mean.”
Obama?
What’s there to like? Admire? Respect?
Susan, thank you so much for your research and writing on this important issue. Thanks for sticking your neck out in a hostile environment and telling the truth.
After learning of Obama’s present votes in Illinois, and based on his shady character, I never believed he was pro-choice. When people told me I should vote for him because of the Supreme Court, I told them I didn’t believe he was pro-choice. I don’t think I was taken seriously. It is nice to finally get some vindication.
Absolutely outstanding SusanUnPC. I cannot understand how can he lie so blatantly and with such impunity.
If the bill was exactly the same as the one in the US Senate the second time around when he voted “No” how can he say:
It is SCARY how much he lies on IMPORTANT issues. This is NOT about “exaggerations” this are FLAT OUT LIES on ISSUES of importance. This is much much worse that the lies he throws around “padding his resume” which are bad enough. I really have to wonder whether he is in his right mind???
How can the DNC, the whole pary for G’ sake, be complicit to such a con ? Democrats: WAKE UP.
Here’s a half-cooked theory that just dawned on me as I sat here reading SusanUnPC’s article…What IF, and probably a very big and unlikely if, but what IF Obama’s questionable stances on abortion/abortion rights are actually deliberate diversions in respect to the idea that he himself might possibly be the result of a failed abortion? Perhaps the reason Ann Dunham made the eleventh hour trip to Canada was for a late-term abortion that ultimately failed. If he were to call attention to this, obviously there is admittance that he is not a U.S. citizen, thus ineligible for POTUS. An unlikely theory, but nothing would surprise me concerning Obama.
This post is a nonsense.If a woman cannot have a baby why has she to have it?
“that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade” For once I agree with Odrama.
But that is not the point and besides it is false: the second time around there was
specific language as to protect Roe vs Wade. he still voted “No”. So the question is why is he lying now?? This is what he said to David Brody at CBN:
The sate law was the same as the federal law.
This is what is being discussed now. And by the way
his campaign has just put out a “memo” that “Obama campaign changes story, admits he misrepresented Born Alive vote”
Misspoke my ….
The point here is that everyone is saying that if you let that a born alive fetus dies (born alive after practice a late-term abortion) you are a “monster” without heart. That’s what is being discussed here. Obama lied about what he voted and why but nobody here is discussing that.By the way if the fetus survives and you let that it dies, well what’s wrong? it’s a fetus. If is not a fetus then why you abort him/er? If a woman practices a late-term abortion is for necessity(i.e. some fetus diseases or whatever other similar thing). Abort is not a sport, nobody does it cause they like or enjoy.
And this the ONLY good thing that Obama did. obviously for his own interest and wrong reasons but I stand with him on this issue, in spite of I hate him for a lot of reasons.
Face it … you don’t really have a point in this rambling collection of words — JUST WORDS. Anyone and I mean ANYONE who walks away from a CHILD that has survived an unsuccessful abortion and permits him or her to die has participated in murder. No two ways around it … as a “woman,” you should understand that.
And Susan, thank you for this post. If anyone ever deserved to lose in November it’s Barry.
The letter from McCain’s campaign is spot on. I think other people are getting sick of the pass the media gives this guy. His numbers started dropping after his Euroworld Tour and I think people are sick of this guy. I can’t even watch more than a few seconds of any videos of him posted here. I’m sure I’m not alone.
Remember when he said that the more people get to know him the more they like him?
Maybe not so much.
The Obama camp is changing its story now
Misspoke ???? How can they continue to insult everyone’s intelligence? One does NOT mispeak about these kind of issues. This are CORE votes and the most important part of the job he was doing at the time: how can he “misspeak” about that???
Let call things by their name: Obama purposely LIED.
correction:
“this are…” ——> “these are”
“That was not the bill I knew at the state level.” - Barry Hussein Oreobama
This an is truly despicable. I can no longer bear to even look at him or listen to his constant lies.
“That was not the bill I knew at the state level.” - Barry Hussein Oreobama
Øbama is truly despicable. I can no longer bear looking at him or to listen to his constant lies. IMHO he’s in for a serious pummeling come November.
Sorry for the double post y’all. The first one didn’t seem to post so I posted again with some edits and now both seemed to show up.
Comment by Sojourner | 2008-08-18 11:20:03
Perhaps the reason Ann Dunham made the eleventh hour trip to Canada was for a late-term abortion that ultimately failed. If he were to call attention to this, obviously there is admittance that he is not a U.S. citizen, thus ineligible for POTUS. An unlikely theory, but nothing would surprise me concerning Obama.
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This is an interesting comment - I have read before regarding the Canadian issue as to whether he was actually born in Canada. I can only say if he was - there willl be records. Canada is excellent in keeping records. Perhaps someone should check into it…. Probably the West Coast - i.e. Vancouver? However I also read some time back on this blog that there was birth certificate found in Mobassa, Kenya for Barack Hussein Obama - that REpublican operatives had found it! Any news on that?
Just about the only thing that can truthfully be said about Obama is he was a bastard through no fault of his own. However the updated fact of the matter is he doesn’t have to continue to be a bastard but he simply chooses too.
My son was born in Canada and they wouldn’t give either one of us his full birth certificate — we weren’t legally entitled to it at that time — I don’t know if the law has changed since then! So don’t count on finding out that way.
Mothers send paper work out from the hospital for there baby or babies for Birth Certificates.Usually all the paper work is filled by hosputal administrators,and mailed out,by the time you leave the hospital.Within a few weeks,you can get a canadian birth certificate.
Perhaps we are looking in the wrong places for evidence of Canadian birth…maybe we need to look in abortion clinics.
Four Weddings and a Funeral (I know, too fitting) anaology.
Knock, Knock, Knock.
I’ve thought of a third option. Tell your supporters your are haviing 2nd thoughts and wish to delay the Democratic Nomination to be President. You suspect your inexperience will cause a loss and would like to offer the top of the ticket to Hillary Clinton. Should she accept the nomination, you would like to offer yourself as her running mate. You feel confident this choice will put America on the right course for decades to come.
(applause, applauuse) Thank you.
And I must say, this news (yes), makes me nauseous.
I knew of his “present” votes and missing key votes, but to finally find the conviction to stand firm on a position, in particular for this shallow hustler, to oppose THIS, is truly un be lievable. And sickening. Let me guess, because Michelle Obama was working in hospitals, they thought this might hurt them, right?
I’m so glad he will be taking counsel from her. (snark)
It gets even better! Michelle notified folks before one of the three votes, and held a $150. a plate fundraiser with the message that (Horrors) there were some folks trying to banish partial birth abortions unless they acted quickly to squash these despicable people. So, the advice he gets from Michelle is just glorious…so much for somebody who keeps him grounded and has the courage to call him out when he’s wrong. He most certainly knew the language was identical…if he didn’t then he would be absolutely the worst Constitutional lawyer that ever walked the planet.
He’s a liar and she is a cold hearted bitch.
This issue is very important to EVERYONE. Obama literally would just let a baby DIE because the abortion failed! This is INHUMANE! Disgusting piece of crap he is! I’m soooooooooooo done over this dude.
barry calls everyone liars and then admits he “misspoke”
Since he and his camp love to accuse folks of lying. Why not be honest and say, I LIED FOR VOTES!
This guy is an idiot. He digs deeper and harder the longer he is there.
I am waiting with excitement for 527’s to shred every bit of credibilty this clown has and expose him for the fraudulent fake he is.
it can’t come soon enough….
BINGO
Just saw an article on CNN.com, Obama at a fundraiser dinner assuring donors he will win.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/18/campaign.wrap/index.html
Sounds like he is starting to get asked some very important questions, like…wtf are you doing with all our money?
How much did he spend in July and what has he got to show for it? He peaked in February. If anyone had been paying attention, they might have noticed that.
Oh well, it isn’t MY money he is blowing.
I had thought Obama would be officially toast come mid-October. Perhaps I underestimated him. He could be finished in September.
It will be your money when he raises your taxes so he can play King.
I predicted the end of his viability circa 15 April, but it just goes to show that There’s No Accounting for Taste.
Once the 527`s kick in, that sound you will hear is the pod people when their heads explode.
Brava Susan- I remember how horribly you were treated at dkos. Glad you got this vindication.
The problem with whistleblowers is people don’t want to hear or believe anything bad about their (false) god.
It use to be honorable for people to admit when they’re wrong, but seems leaders, bosses, bloggers would rather fight to the end for a lie. So many Cowards in Obama’s camp.
You stood tall through it all Susan, great job!
Tonight on FOX News they are doing a special program about Obama. His associations, past life in Chi-town. I can’t remember the reporters name who went to Chicago to do the investigating. Tomorrow they will do one on McCain. Don’t know if FOX will tell anything new or just same ole talking points. Might be interesting to watch. Shown 8 p.m. my time, Southeast. 9 p.m. Eastern time.
I watched it,and they brought in a couple of new people,and the story seemed to start in New York.
It was worth watching,for sure.. Showed the Chicago Politic side//
Just excellent, Susan, on every front. I, too, don’t know how many times this monster can be exposed before the DNC wakes up and my fear is that it’s well beyond the hour for that.
Hope I dead wrong.
Fantastic writing and reseach.
I agree. Excellent post, Susan.
I am sure that his “wedding reception” at Invesco Field was planned just to make it more difficult for the Superdelegates to change their mind and vote for Hillary.
Too bad they don’t ask the question “does anyone have any reason why these two should not be wed?”
Answer - Yeah - about 18 million.
I’m pro-life,not because I won’t recognise the life in the moment of conception, Yes i do. What I will never agree with, those who are giving life to a child, and after that, they will abandon that life.In my opinion, I do’t know if I’m right or wrong,but I strongly believe that, the sin is bigger when as a mother, you expose that child, who never ask to be born,on neglect and abandonment. The only thing any child need, is LOVE and CARE.No matter how poor you are,the love of a mother is the biggest welth for a child.Life is precious,but more than that, more important is love and care.Don’t give life if you can’t give love.
Oh I have a comment about Jerome Corsi, while I do not personally LIKE the guy, and his writing is hardly inspiring, I am THANKFUL that someone finally, FINALLY got so much of what was on the internet OUT into the “real world.” I think it’s fantastic.
Let others verify or debunk his work, but HELL, at least it is OUT THERE. Finally. Who else had the guts to bring it out of the internet?
If anything, his book can be used for “leads” and others will investigate to find out the truth wherever it lies.
Oh, I remember very well how Obama-Media has been for all these months, and there is no way I will take Corsi’s book for granted.
Correction, ‘bot. Hillary is “stumping” for Obama, for her own reasons that clearly have nothing to do with his qualifications for the office of lack thereof.
She has never said she was voting for him.
Neither has Bill.
I see a third-party pull in both their futures
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When HRC tried to raise this abortion issue during one of the primary debates, NRAL critize her. And the issue went away. Allan Keys have been trying to raise this same issue and he was called an extremeist republican. Finally with the scutiny of the GE, the DNC is waking up to a very extreme candidate on their hands. Perhaps Obama next excuse for his vote will be that he hit the wrong button and he meant to pass the legislation. This guy get a free pass by the MSM.
Obama will have no choice but to elect a pro life VP. Political calulation again. That’s why he put that ridiculus piece in the DNC platform about a woaman has a right to safe pregnancy. Like we didn’t know that already.
HRC is the only one who can save the DNC. This is what happens when the person who does all the hard work gets no credit. It’s all about the young, cool guy.
The democratic party can kiss my A**.I will never fall in their line.I am a Hillary supporter but I will never vote or thow my support behind that liar-nut case-The democratic party has been trying and messing with Hillary supporters and they think with this set up nominnee they placed Hillary on is going to work?NO–I will walk out and then throw my full support behind McCain.Hillary no less then president and a true roll call-We saw what happend on May 31,08 and if this goes down again like this.well I am gone.If they can’t see what Obama really is.And this I will not go for-This is our country and Obama is not fit-to-run-it-not even in the senate-Obama will destory us.I don’t trust himI don’t care for him=-I don’t like him for all his lies and all he is hiding fro the people. Never will I give my support to Obama because we are ask to.Who do they think they are.
I have never been against a woman’s right to chose, not saying I am now, but I watched a video on youtube today of aborted babies. At the end of the video they wrapped up this perfect little baby to dispose of it and my heart broke.
I believe life begins at conception.
I won’t put a link here because it is very hard to watch. If you want to see the video search for this title.
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I am glad Obama is being exposed on this subject. His voting record on abortion has ALWAYS bothered me. Thanks for the heads up on the book. I bought it a week ago. I will stop reading the Obama Nation and just read this one.
I am sorry if the video I mentioned in this comment offends anyone, that is why I didn’t post a link. I still have tears in my eyes so if you think you can’t handle it don’t watch it.
Write every sigle one of thes NARAL-THEY BACK A CANDIDATE AND NEVER EVEN CHECKING ON OBAMA’S REACORS.THEY ARE NOT DOING THEIR JOB AS WELL-We will be back top square one if Obama has the say.
They had Hillary who was pro-life-pro-choice-
Obama is a killer of defenseless babies who he voted no to give a chance to live-Every breath the babies took noone-not noone would help them did you all see the video of what went down in chisgo Ill-they would not give treatment nothing!
I am not going to fall in line to the democarticparty who may want us to at Denver-And if Hillary comes out and says back Obama-no I will not and never will that liar-flip floper-cheater-NO!And if this is what we will see and hear as I heard that Hillary will give a speech and then releash her delegates to Obama.What kind of plan is that.The delegates and super delegates needs to stand up for their country chicken shits!
info@naralva.org.
Obama’s work against the bill to protect premature babies represents one of two times in his political career, along with his speech against the Iraq war, that he really stuck out his neck for something that might hurt him politically.
Unless Obama was aiming for the presidency in 2002, he probably knew that his anti-war speech before an anti-war group would not be viewed negatively and therefore was not a political risk. Sen. Dick Durbin (who was actually able to cast a vote, unlike Obama who was still in the Illinois Senate) was one of the few senators to vote against the AUF. He was reelected to the Senate a very short time later with close to 60% of the vote.
Did that “Chicago-area hospital that was leaving such babies to die” belong to the University of Chicago?
No, the hospital in question was (of all things) Christ Hospital in Oak Lawn, IL. they have practiced this way for years. To really find out more on the subject you can watch the Nurse who testified to holding a baby from a failed abortion for 45 minutes while he died…he had been put on a shelf in a soiled utility room, and left alone to die, Jill Stanek will be the featured guest on Hannity’s America on Sunday August 24 at 8pm EST. It can be found on Fox Cable News, oddly enough, it’s a pretty damned good show.
cynthia mckinney and the green party are the new democratic party..it will only take eight years to fulfill this great step forward! Obama will privatize social security if he wins. Mccain will just steal it.
I just ran across this interesting article
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080817/ap_on_el_pr/obama_abortion
Group wants to attack Obama on abortion
By LARRY O’DELL, Associated Press Writer Larry O’dell, Associated Press Writer – Sun Aug 17, 11:25 am ET
I would like to share the video I saw months ago that made me know that some of my views might be wrong. Judge for yourself. McCain gave the correct answer on abortion as far as I’m concerned.
Tried to link, but it failed PLEASE go to YouTube and look up The Mad World Of Obama.
Let me try this once more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxQiIzS49D8
or maybe this one, share it with a friend on The Daily Kos, or maybe The Huffington Post maybe Just ONE person there has a heart or a brain…no matter they can’t conceive of The One ever being on the wrong side of an issue, somehow they will continue to justify…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMNgcdef8ec
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