This Is Just Ironic
By Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy on August 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Democratic Nomination, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden
I got to thinking about Obama’s “performance” in the Saddleback Forum last week in terms of his new Veep pick (sigh – Biden – great. What a bold move. Hahahaha.). And I remembered something kinda funny. No doubt, you have all seen the following video of Obama’s response when asked about which Supreme Court Justice he would not have nominated. Take another look:
I am not talking about him almost claiming Thomas was too inexperienced. He was. Not only that, he sexually harassed Anita Hill, AND was into pornography, just as claimed. The truth of which came out a few years ago when David Brock (the founder of Media Matters) acknowledged that very thing. (In case you don’t know his story, he was a major insider in the Republican Right Wing Machine. He said they knew Clarence Thomas was into pornography, and that he certainly did sexually harass Anita Hill. For good measure, he threw in that Senator Clinton was right – there WAS a right-wing conspiracy against them. When asked on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart why he was finally coming forward with this information NOW, he said it was because his conscience was killing him, or words to that effect. You can check out his book, Blinded By The Right for all the details.)
But just guess who was the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee that oversaw the Clarence Thomas hearings? Yup – Joe Biden.
Seems I wasn’t the only one thinking about the connections between Joe Biden, Clarence Thomas, and Anita Hill. As I was looking around this morning (and AFTER I started this, I might add), I came across the following NY Times article by Kate Phillips, “Biden and Anita Hill, Revisited.” In it, Ms. Phillips says:
It was another time and another place, but the issues of race, gender and politics intersected in a volatile way that still may hold resonance today, especially given the interplay of those themes (granted in entirely different ways) during the epic primary battle between Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Some women, invariably of Senator Clinton’s age, who were actively involved in opposing Mr. Thomas’s confirmation in 1991 recall the narrow vote (52-48 in favor) as “a day of shame for the Senate and a day of shame for women,” as one lawyer said this week. The episode in time evoked strong reactions from women across the country, who viewed the judiciary panel as 14 white men who too easily dismissed Ms. Hill’s accusations and who did not allow the testimony of other women who might have corroborated or helped buttress her account to prove a case of sexual harassment.
An interesting theme, meaning one that resonates with today, was apparent in the Hill/Thomas hearings as well:
Ms. Ross, who was one of the lawyers assisting Ms. Hill, asserts that Mr. Biden treated Mr. Thomas too even-handedly because of the racially charged nature of the hearings. (Remember Justice Thomas’ charge that he had been subjected to a “high-tech lynching.”) Ms. Ross said that Mr. Biden “was accused of being labeled racist, so the Republicans were blackmailing him and he pushed the levers to make the case look like there wasn’t a case when there was.”
From not permitting other witnesses like Angela Wright to testify who would have been favorable to Ms. Hill, to not permitting affidavits from an expert on whether a pattern of behavior needed to be established to prove sexual harassment, Ms. Ross concluded: “He did everything to make it be good for Thomas and to slant it against her.” (Mr. Biden and his staff at times indicated that Ms. Wright and others weren’t willing to testify, but the record and books written since appear contradictory, as these women were held waiting in the wings for days.)
Huh. You don’t say. Since I was subject myself to the insult of being called a racist just this morning for not supporting Obama, no doubt, Biden was reading the tea leaves correctly. But such a threat should not hamper one from speaking out the truth, or seeking the truth, no matter what one is called. It was his JOB to do so, especially since Thomas was up for a lifetime position. IMHO, that is.
As one might expect:
Over the years, Mr. Biden has defended his role in the hearings. In “Strange Justice,” a book about the Clarence Thomas confirmation, authors Jill Abramson (managing editor for news here at The Times) and Jane Mayer, author of “The Dark Side” and a writer for the New Yorker, extensively document the internal and external machinations surrounding the hearings and interviewed Senator Biden several times.
He made decisions, they wrote, based on his views of respect for a person’s privacy about what and wouldn’t (sic) be let into the hearings – including the pornography rentals and Mr. Thomas’s thin legal record. (At Saddleback, Mr. Obama, a former law professor at the University of Chicago said, “I would not have nominated Clarence Thomas. I don’t think that he was a strong enough jurist or legal thinker at the time for that elevation.”)
(At one point, Senator Biden’s aides (sic) and then he told Ms. Abramson and Ms. Mayer that digging in too deep on Mr. Thomas’s intellectual legal prowess would’ve been a problem. One aide said, “it was a racial thing.” Mr. Biden himself said, “There was in fact a concern about whether or not to make the guy look stupid – what would happen if you embarrassed him.”)
In one interview, the two wrote that Mr. Biden said later that he had tried to be a statesman, to uphold decency standards. In the end, however, he conceded that his motivations might have been “misplaced.” On excluding the pornography issue alone, they quoted Mr. Biden as saying that he acted, “in fairness to Thomas, which in retrospect he didn’t deserve.”
Well, he got THAT right.
The irony of all of this just kills me – Obama and Biden. Clarence Thomas and Anita Hill. Wow.
So, it seems we have not moved all that far forward in the past 17 years. Fear of being called a racist, and treating women as less credible than men, has been demonstrated for all to see over the past 18 months. How sad. Sad that we have not advanced further on women’s issues (though we do have the Sexual Harassment law now – good luck winning one of those cases, but hey – it does exist!), or being able to speak the truth no matter the color of a person’s skin. How sad that so much of this election has been based on those very issues. Seems we haven’t come such a long way, baby…
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Spare us the Rabbi sermon on Pornography and reflect on the Torrah and the Telmud about all those bondage games laced throughout the Old Testament. With some creativity you could have a best-seller.
What?
Must be a Gaza strip Obama blogger talking shet.
Ignore that idiot.
Do you recall the Saturday Night Live Skit (SNL)
with Mary Jo Kopechne/ Take a Test for Me Teddy Kennedy and
Plagerizing/ Ole Credit Card Joe Biden et al?
It was hysterical, but only because it was so damn EASY!
I’m too ashamed to tell you who my Reps are as a FORMER Democrat.
Grow up. If you don’t know what my inference to condescension regarding Sexual Violence, Pornography and other backhanded smacks referenced in this thread from the original poster, in relationship to Judaism and the Old Testament, do yourself a favor and abstain from adding commentary.
You clearly haven’t the knowledge to speak about it and to throw in Porno, by the parent poster is a juvenile attempt of moral condescension by a self-condescending Religion.
To be fair, Christianity is just as condescending and being Agnostic it’s easy to observe the hypocrisies.
To classify me as an idiot from the words of a mentally limited mind really holds no merit.
This juvenile cheapshot to add levity and validation to the ticket only weakens the original poster’s commentary.
It’s a non-sequitor amongst and otherwise useful piece.
amongst and …
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IT’s FREE!! Your FOSS solution needs to better manage sessiona management and cache pools. Flushing local cache objects all the time to verify submitted content is poor software development.
It’s all there, in the packages. Deploy these features. It’s obvious we’re pluggin’ the hell out of book sales and all the damn flash. Fix the basic php backend.
Dude, you stink of condescention! What the fuck are you talking about hypocrites, and then you act like one. Telling anyone to Grow Up, is condescending. So who the fuck are you to bow up and get all preachy?
And what in this article mentioned the “Torrah” (sic) and “Telmud” (sic)? Rabbi Sermon? Why are you even discussing these religions and your very proud agnostic position?
Dude, you are in the stench of your own fucking ego. Who gives a fuck if you think someone else is “mentally limited”….
you’re a fucking idiot. And I can out debate any religion, condescending comments, and ego with you, so fucking what.
Tyrione, get a fucking life you numbnut.
The point of the article is that indeed Clarence Thomas was who he was accused to be, and he fought it knowing he was guilty of harassment and was into pornography. It’s not a moralistic thing to point it out. I don’t give a fuck if he watched horses jack off. I care if he can be honest, forthright and capable of his job. Because his job requires him to hear cases that involve Sexual Harassment, Pornography, etc…he’ll have to demonstrate his ethical abilities on the topic. If he cannot, then he will be a terrible jurist. And he is…a terrible jurist.
But you, lump of shit, have a lot of nerve bowing up by making up shit. Of course, I hope you keep doing it so we can write you off and see that you are indeed a distracted fucking idiot.
Have a nice day jackhole.
I remember the old skit about the 14 congressional pigs questioning clarence too. In fact I think I have it. I will look.
is there any way we can get that skit from snl
to refresh memories? what fun that would be.
What?
PUMA
uhhhhhhh……
I remember Anita and that pig Clarence well. He pulled an Obama. He pulled the Race Card and told the senate they were after him because he was an ‘Uppity black man”. Most of those guys shriveled right after that, because after all, the race card is important but talking about pubic hairs in your coke to a lady is no big deal. Besides, some of these 14 guys were just as big a bunch of pigs as Clarence.
Yeah, I remember this so well. I can’t believe it was 17 years ago. Thomas told Hill he was “Long Dong Silver.”
I’ll never forget that,
SNL Skit transcript, Clarence Thomas Hearings.
Warning: Close to X rated, considering it’s a skit of 14 pigs questioning another pig.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91cthomas.phtml
I remember it too, VERY WELL INDEED, and I don’t know any women of a certain age and then some who weren’t furious at the way Anita was treated.
She’s put her life back together, she’s last I heard teaching at Brandeis, but talk about a gut slicing experience….if anyone was “high tech lynched” it was her.
If I remember correctly it was Daddy Bush that started it all. The race card I mean. He had sent – I can’t remember one or two nominees – for a vacancy on the Supreme Court and the Dems rejected them. So……he sent an unqualified black man and he, the Republicans, and the RNC sat back and watched the games ensue. They knew the Dems would be in a quandry about a black candidate. This was Bush’s and the Republican’s way of getting a really strong conservative on the bench even though the Dems controlled the Senate. Dems were a bunch of wusses even way back then! Also proving they were more sexist than racist in a preview of this year’s Dem primary.
Maybe the dems are returning the favor.
Yes, I did read Blinded by the Right and I recommend it to everyone. it still is a who’s who in the VRWC. It makes Bidens words even more disgusting:
http://people.virginia.edu/~ybf2u/Thomas-Hill/bide2.html
You know, Obama was OLD ENOUGH to remember that shit. He can’t play the “I was a child when that guy was putting pubic hairs on the coke can” like he did with Ayres.
WHY the fuck did he pick Biden?
This IS an avenue for discussion. This goes to JUDGMENT.
While those Obots are whining about Cindy McCain’s homes (and face it, she’s Miss Moneybags, he’s along for the ride), we’ve got a Presidential candidate who –apparently without THINKING, or if he did think, without GIVING A SHIT–picked as his running mate a guy who permitted a respected, hardworking, damn-she-pounded-on-that-glass-ceiling legal professional named Anita Hill, who was a woman and black, to be dragged through the mud, called horrible names, excoriated, and slandered.
Damn.
DAY-YUM.
I swear, this asshole thinks that there’s no one over thirty going to the polls, or something.
Or he’s signalling all of the Democratic women voters with brains to just fuck the hell off.
He is a Very Stupid Man, this Obama.
Very Stupid Indeed.
Obama has no foreign policy experience and Biden does. Biden is also more appealing (so some say) to the independents- a group Obama is trying to court. So that seems to be why he was “chosen” to be Obama’s mentor. He could care less about the 18 million Hillary supporters as we are all expected to “fall in line” like a bunch of cows. In his view- Where will they go? Well I guess Mr Obama will find out in November where they will go won’t he?
Because apparently Biden II got Biden III to solve a little problem re Larry Sinclair for Obama, and that put him deeply in Biden’s debt.
I don’t know what was disgusting? He was saying don’t call Anita crazy, she’s as entitled not to be lynched as Thomas.
watch live in Denver:
http://news.politicswest.com/livecam
Someone on this site recommended reading thecityedition.com story “Obama’s October Surprise” by Pat Racimora. I just finished it. It is full of details we all know, but I did not connect. Racimora links Donna Brazile’s connection to Karl Rove, continuing through the election cycle and the fraudulent caucauses to the DNC meeting in June to Hillary’s suspension of her campaign. It fits tightly with Biden and Obama and the story above.
When/if anyone reads it, would you please respond at NO Quarter, writing your assessment of the article.
One aspect that I link was Susan Unper telling of the caucaus in Washington state and how ugly it was. The article discusses that.
Sorry, I meant Susan Unpc
‘The more things CHANGE the more they stay the same.’
ObotKids just don’t understand stuff like that- us old folks do.
No Hopey Changey with O- just words.
Pelosi and other guests briefly left the hotel during the Saturday incident but were never in danger, Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley said.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/24/man-arrested-with-weapons-at-pelosis-denver-hotel/
This is Colorado. Concealed weapons permits are readily available for most Colorado citizens. The guy may have thought he was within his rights to carry a gun if he had a concealed weapons permit.
Welcome to the West.
Excellent commentary, RRRA. The parallels between the Thomas hearing & the recent primary are striking. I think this is one of your best pieces, I wish it could get more coverage. Why can’t regular, decent people see that they’ve been played by Obama & his thugs during this campaign? Just like back then, they think they’ll look racist if they ask questions or seek the truth. So sad for all of us.
Wow, thank you! I appreciate that. ANd yes it is sad that people are so afraid of being called a racist that they will allow blatant sexism/misogyny to go unchecked.
Uppity and Clinton Fan – great comments, as always.
I have to say that every thing depends on Hillary. She should stand up herself while millions of her supporters have tried very hard since her suspension. How could she leave her supporters in a Mess like this by simply supporting Hussein Obama??? Those who have contributed their money to her compaign before and after her suspension will be very agry not at Obama, but at herself. That is the fact?
Gore wimped when the election was gamed. Kerry wimped when the election was gamed. We all saw it and despised them for their lack of spine. Hillary must stand up for all of us who believe in her. There is no other option for her. She is not a spineless brat like Gore and Kerry. Hillary you must do the right thing for country and true democrats. Stand up and break pattern with this
shit-fest that has become the democratic leadership.
It’s not Gore and it’s not Hillary and it wasn’t Bill.
Have you been in the position of trying to get a message across in the face of media onslaught?
Then you have no idea.
You can’t buck a tidal wave.
All we can do is help and have their backs. We have to be part of the SOLUTION.
The bottom line is that Obama is going to blame the Clinton’s for not becoming the next POTUS.
Who cares? He’ll lose, become a marginal Senator and with his continued “present” voting history will be ousted by his own district, in future primaries.
And what? Obama will be removed from the Ballot and Jailed, I believe, before the GE. Who is going to be blaimed for this then?
probably TexasDarlin!
One of these days — Obama’s crimes will catch up with him and he will end up in jail.
Rezko is in jail — and although he is certainly a bad guy and a crook — he was NOT elected. Obama WAS elected and that makes his involvement worse. Without Obama in the legislature clearing the way for Rezko to loot the public treasury — Rezko would not have been able to loot as much as he did — he had HELP.
The Chicago machine needs to be shut down — a.s.a.p.
PUMA
Exactly my thoughts. Obama will be irrelevant as soon as he loses 40+ states. In many ways he is irrelevant now. This is not about him. It is about keeping Hillary from the White House. Any stooge would do. and he’s likable enough. If he mattered, he would have been vetted better.
The Democratic Party didn’t have to go with this dirt. There is a major clean-up needed.
Senator Clinton is the only person I’ve ever donated to [$150] for any election and as a former Democrat turned Classical Libertarian will forever defend her solutions, both from a political stance and an engineering stance.
When I first saw the cues from the Mass Media that the Educated Sector is for Obama I knew the fix was in.
I voted for Bill during my Engineering undergrad and I voted for his wife as a Professional.
I sure as hell have never nor will I ever consider Social Scientists as Scientists. They are an insult to us Hard Science Fields.
The blatant misuse of Probability and Statistics, Distribution analysis, Complex Analysis and more shows me these people should be just what they are: Sociologists without the Science. Political Science is an Oxymoron just as much as Military Intelligence, except that Military Intelligence is a Science of extremely complex variables so it always looks like they are Morons.
The only way he will lose is if the people who say “I’m sitting out this one” get off their asses and go vote for McCain. Because for every idiot who says they’ll sit out, there are probably at least a dozen or so AA folk (and a few guilty whites/dumb young idiots) who’ve never had the initiative to vote before who will vote for him. He will win if the people bitching about him don’t vote.
So if the SDs don’t wake up and pick Hillary, you all need to go out and vote for McCain/Whoever he picks. Please. Just suck it up and do it. That’s what I am willing to do, and I love Bill & Hill.
You are exactly right, if you sit back and not vote, you are allowing this to happen. Our future, country is at stake. It is our duty to fight this corruption, to stand up for our freedom, or are you going to play right into their hands and do what they really want you to do by staying home.
Wake Up America
Stand Up America
Fight for America
NOBAMA
Yep. Obamites always blame someone else for their screw-ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4HrSQySus8
ditto. who f-ing cares? Obama will go down in flames and most deservedly so.
“The bottom line is that Obama is going to blame the Clinton’s for not becoming the next POTUS.”
Fabulous, I hope they do because once the country gets to know Obama, they will be grateful that he did not become president. Blame her and she can transform that into being the one that tried to warn everybody.
They can blame her all they want.
That just shows she loves her country and wants the best for American and backtrack barack ain’t it.
At the confluence site they are saying that the delicates have to vote before it goes to the floor.
The NEW democratic party at work.
They now use Stalin Rules:
The people can go to the polls to vote for who they want, we give the votes to who we want.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,THOSE PEOPLE AND HILLARY’S HARRIDANS RULE
The bottom line is that Obama is going to blame the Clinton’s for not becoming the next POTUS.
And what? Obama will be removed from the Ballot and Jailed, I believe, before the GE.
Every single Seantor knew that Clarence Thomas was a chronic sexual harasser. The problem – they just didn’t think it was a big deal.
Hell I knew it. In 1984 I wrote a paper on the EEOC while in graduate school. Everyone I interviewed personally told me that Thomas (head of the EEOC) was the biggest sexual harasser in the country. The irony is overwhelming.
spelling correction – Senator not Seantor
At the time, I had a discrimination charge for none promotion pending and EEOC sat on it. Everyone was saying that the EEOC was a joke under Thomas’s leadership. They were always in the pockets of the business people who were screwing people with legitimate claims. I watched the Anita Hill hearing and I knew he was lying. Women in the house of rep took the lead to push for the hearing (especially Pat Schroeder0 because there were either no women or only one woman in the senate. During the following elections outraged women (republicans and democrats) stood up and gave us the first black female senator, Carol Moseley who ironically was from Illinois Obama’s state. During the ensuring years about 8 women came to the senate.
[...] as Rabble Rouser reverend Amy says at No Quarter, we know for a fact from David Brock’s Blinded by the Right that Thomas was committing [...]
when i heard obama answer this question on saddleback, my first thought was he was going to answer he did not like thomas because of the sexual harrasment thing and all the messiness that came with it. but, never did he mention any of this except thomas was conservative. so that tells me what his priorities are.
Good point. I too noticed that Obama missed yet another opportunity to speak out for women during that question at Saddleback. That’s because he really doesn’t give a crap.
Thanks, RRRAmy. Just reading the comments above and going to Biden’s original comments are bad flashbacks. I even remember where I was watching tv when these were made and how angry I was at the injustice. I know women who also remember what Biden said, better than I. Unity schmunity. Obviously, pigs can now time fly.
The Obama nomination is highly unlikely Denver news says.
where? link?
WHAT????? Do you have a link?
PUMA
http://news.politicswest.com/livecam
There showing demostraters at the convention,and lots of swearing going on,and the message isn’t getting out…Hope these are not the Puma’s because people want to hear the messages,not bleeps,every two seconds,.We need a clean fights with a strong message.
Clinton’s name is coming alot on Fox News..
We need Hillary back as the nominee..
floor fight, floor fight!!!!
The demonstrators are those Recreate68 people. Old radicals from 68 got kids all riled up about how romantic all that war demonstrating was. What they forgot to tell them is they can get their heads cracked. Some old hippy still on the bong will start something and it will turn into a brawl. Has nothing to do with PUMA, although they will probably blame us. Recreate68 has been brewing all summer. A bunch of old hippy wannabees. I’m thrilled. That’s how the dems got whacked in 68. It was horrible. Keep going, guys! Hope nobody’s ipod gets cracked, it might be the end of it.
Here’s a bit about them.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/11/recreate68s-bodyhammer-tactics-self-defense-manual/
Obama’s inexperience gives me that tingling feeling that makes my face whiter than McCain.
The Obamabots now have Daddy to help them drive out of the ditch.
Good luck with that!
Obama/Daddy 08
DENVER – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to united the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.
Clinton has invited her pledged delegates to a reception at the Colorado Convention Center, not far from the main Democratic National Convention arena.
The high-profile gathering of political regulars who once fought against Obama serves a dual purpose for Clinton: Show fellow Democrats that she can be a team player, and display her still formidable political strengths for the future. Many of her supporters want her to run for president again.
A Democratic official told The Associated Press Sunday, a day before the convention begins, that she is expected to release her delegates at the Wednesday event. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details publicly.
Asked about Clinton’s plans for the event, her spokesman Philippe Reines said it will be “an opportunity for Senator Clinton to see her delegates — many for the first time since the primaries ended, thank them for their hard work and support, and most importantly to encourage them to support and work for Senator Obama as strongly as she has in order to elect him in November.”
The New York senator has support among key voting groups that Obama has yet to win over, particularly women, older voters, and working-class voters.
Coming into the convention, many Democrats have wondered exactly how and when Clinton would throw her delegates to Obama, and if that would be a messy, contentious affair.
Republicans are already trying to take advantage of such potential fissures.
John McCain’s campaign launched a television ad suggesting rival Barack Obama snubbed Clinton because of her criticism during the Democratic primary fight.
The ad features clips of Clinton, including one in which she accused him of negative campaigning, and a voiceover announcer says: “She won millions of votes but isn’t on the ticket. Why? For speaking the truth.”
Clinton aides responded that she clearly supports Obama and agrees with him on important issues like health care and the Iraq war, and doesn’t agree with McCain on those issues.
So what if she releases her delegates to Obama, it just shows how confident she is about him losing in November. I like Biden, he has experience but BO is just using him. I still won’t vote for him… McCain might have 7 homes or however many he actually has I don’t care. I bet he doesn’t have slum’s in his district like Obama does. What a great AD for McCain…
It’s not a convention – it’s a coup!
Oblowme/Plugs: the New DNC = no Democrats
Funny. Pelousy never came out swinging in defense of the horrible sexist lies against Hillary..
Pelosi: Newest GOP ad “insults our intelligence”
DENVER — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi came out swinging at the first official convention event on Sunday, calling John McCain “bankrupt” of ideas after Republicans unveiled a new ad questioning why Hillary Rodham Clinton is not on the Democratic ticket.
On Saturday, Republicans unveiled a new ad insinuating that Barack Obama did not choose Clinton because the New York senator criticized him too harshly, an obvious attempt to drive a wedge within the Democratic Party.
“I think the American people are going to tire of that,” Pelosi said at a press briefing Sunday morning. “Please don’t insult our intelligence, they are saying to politicians. We want answers, we don’t want gimmicks.”
Great point. And I’m “plagerizing/Bidenizing your Pelousy.
Pelousy just didn’t want people to compare those natural looking hicks from Arkansas to her botched plastic surgery!
Pelousy even looks like a corporate puppet.
I would be happy to insult Pelosi’s intelligence if I could find any evidence of it.
Finally the truth is coming out. But they shut Larry’s site down again. Isn’t it amazing how hard they try to shut him up???? NOw why would that be??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=%20D4X7ehB9kN0&fmt=18
BREAKING NEWS DENVER – Democratic delegates from Michigan and Florida were awarded full voting rights at the national convention Sunday, despite holding early primaries against party rules.
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The convention credentials committee voted unanimously to restore the voting privileges at the behest of Barack Obama, the party’s presumptive nominee for president. The states were initially stripped of delegates for holding primaries before Feb. 5. The party’s rules committee restored the delegates in May, but gave them only half votes.
Democrats hope the gesture will strengthen their standing in two important battleground states while ending a contentious chapter of the nominating process.
“The only way we will be successful is if we are unified as a party and all Democrats know we are full partners,” said Chris Edley Jr., a committee member from California who introduced the resolution to restore Florida’s votes.
The party’s move raises questions about whether it will be able to control its primary calendar in the future. A commission will work on the issue over the next two years.
Representatives from Florida and Michigan said they were penalized enough. None of the major candidates campaigned in the states before the primaries, and the delegates’ votes weren’t restored until after the nomination was decided.
“We realize that mistakes have been made, but we’re excited in Florida,” said Scott Maddox, a former Florida Democratic chairman and a member of the credentials committee. “We have suffered enough.”
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan called Sunday’s vote “a victory for change in the system.”
Levin has been working to challenge the early voting status of Iowa and New Hampshire.
“We had the guts to take the system on, and we made progress this year,” he said.
Obama’s former Democratic rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton, won both primaries. Obama’s name was not on the Michigan ballot and neither candidate campaigned in Florida.
Some of Clinton’s supporters were outraged that the delegates were not fully reinstated in May. They were also angry that Obama claimed some of the delegates won by Clinton in Michigan.
Obama clinched the Democratic nomination June 3 and he has been working to win over Clinton’s supporters ever since.
The credentials committee’s work is expected to win ratification by the whole convention Monday.
Florida has 211 delegates, including superdelegates, and Michigan has 157. Both states are expected to be battlegrounds in the November election.
Restoring their voting rights increases the total number of delegate votes at the convention to 4,419. It will take 2,210 delegates to win the nomination.
Obama ended the primaries with a 365-delegate lead over Clinton. Reinstating the Florida and Michigan delegates will not affect that lead because Obama has more endorsements from the states’ superdelegates.
Both parties struggled to control their primary calendars this year as states jockeyed to increase their influence by moving their nominating contests earlier. The Republicans penalized five states for holding contests before Feb. 5, stripping them of half their delegates: Florida, Michigan, New Hampshire, Wyoming and South Carolina.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain has not publicly pressed for their reinstatement, though many GOP insiders expect them to have full voting rights as well.
The news is all lies.
Obama has a 125 or 130 pledged delegate lead not 365. That statement is counting FL and MI as 1/2 votes, giving pledged delegates to him from MI when he was not on the ballot and taking 4 of Hillary’s pledged MI delegates. That 365 number includes bought and paid for superdelegates many of which came from states that Hillary won. The as*hole didn’t win anything!! He has buffaloed the superdelegates just as Clarence Thomas did to the democratic lead congress during the Anita Hill hearing, especially Biden.
Particularly this part:
Such a big fat lie it’s not even funny.
Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan called Sunday’s vote “a victory for change in the system.” Levin has been working to challenge the early voting status of Iowa and New Hampshire. “We had the guts to take the system on, and we made progress this year,” he said.
What? That cracked me up. McCain and whomever 08!
I’m from Michiganistan and I’m voting STRAIGHT REPUBLICAN. Obama and the DNC stole my vote, now they want to continue with the HOAX and pretend everything is normal. The DEMS no longer value DEMOCRACY.
The blantant stealing of this election has me sick to my stomach. Lost without a party.
The blatant stealing of this election has me sick to my stomach. Lost without a party.
Amen!
PUMA
Impeach, expel Barack Obama
http://obamaimpeachment.org/
Well, it seems to tie in with Biden also not wanting to look to closely into Mr. Soetoro’s closet. No wonder he had no problem getting his son, Attorney General for Delaware to issue arrest warrent for a Mr. Larry Sinclair, issues of privacy my foot!
Can we get this on fox:
This is unconfirmed. I have only heard it second hand. Apparently, Delegates have been told that they must indicate their choice for President and Vice President in writing by 4:00pm Wednesday and turned over to their state chairmen.
Now, what possible reason could there be for pressuring delegates to do this before the actual nomination and role call vote. Hmmmm, think, think, think….
Well, if you are planning to vote for Hillary, they can strong arm you and make your life miserable. And if you try to fake them out by *saying* you are going to vote for Obama, you will be assigned a bathroom monitor to make absolutely certain you don’t backslide. I can just imagine them chasing the hapless delegate around, waving the paper around, “You promised. You PROMISED!!!”, like persistent, bratty kids.
Your DNC at work. It wasn’t enough to rig the caucuses. They have to rig the convention as well. But isn’t it interesting that they feel they have to go to such lengths to keep Obama from being replaced by the more qualified candidate. The Superdelegates must be getting restless. Bwahahahahahahhhh!
http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/
No surprise here.
Me thinks it is time for the Democrats to come up with a new name for your party as there seems to be no Democracy…;)
DENVER – Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, hoping to united the Democratic Party and cement her future in it, will gather her hard-won primary delegates Wednesday at a reception where she is expected to formally release them to Barack Obama.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080824/ap_on_el_pr/cvn_clinton
As I said above, it is about Hillary. Hillary think about Party over Country. We dont and never – America over corrupted DNC!
What is your point?
Tell me who Sen. Obama is.
Tell me who Sen. John MacCain is.
Give me facts, compare their record, no spins.
For the sake of the country vote for your country not for the Party.
Our democratic party, has been in majority in both houses, what have they done?
It is not about DNC and RNC and their members needs and the power their seek, it is about the country.
It is about the future of USA.
Who has the record?
Sen. John MacCain has the record. A proven record. Until you can prove otherwise, please forget about your spin.
The only candidate with a proven record and had always put his Country first is Sen. John MacCain.
I have and alway will be a democrate, we will weed out the so called democrate out, and reclaim our party.
Sen. MacCain has my vote.
Wake up before it is too late.
Bravo. There is no doubt in my mind that John McCain loves his country.
I also have no doubt of the patriotism of most of the people who have tried to take on the establishment of the D. party for the theft of our primary.
Obama? Maybe, but I don’t know which country that would be…
There were weapons found in the hotel where Pelosi is staying.
That means Oblowme’s Chicago homies aren’t there yet.
I will vote for an Honest and trusted candidate that is John McCain for 2008! All of my family will do the same and forget about Hillary and DNC.
Always, America over Party!
No, you do NOT forget about Hillary. She is not the DNC.
Ed Rendall rips MSNBC in Denver telling a panel they were the official Obama network. Also telling the panel of NBC journalist they Keith and Chris were an embarrsement. Story on Politico.
He’s absolutely correct. Keith and Chris single-handedly have made a lot of other networks very happy by chasing off many NBC watchers. I not only quit watching MSNBC, I’ve pretty much given up NBC altogether.
Okay. We worked all summer to have a fair and open convention roll call vote and it’s being scammed?
News lady says PUMA’s are doing a petition to get Hill as VP..then she had a strange look on her face like she got caught in a lie. The petition is for the nominee vote but she is trying to skew perception and make it look like FraudBama has the nomination.
OKAY what’s the point of the convention if there is no nominee voting?
Okay I’m voting repub all the way down. Dem for a day for me. It’ll feel funny but Oh well.
If the above news is true, Hillary is crazy! She will leave millions of her supporters hopeless who have worked so hard since her suspension!
Ohuhbama just blew his chance to become president by ignoring Hillary. If McCain chooses a women as vp he’ll be assured the WH. The democrats are still practicing their misogynis by insinuating that Hillary supporters are just pissed off women who will not have any choice but to get in line at the end of the day. Last time I checked I’m a guy and the 18 million middle class people that voted in the primaries were not only women. The dnc is in for a big surprise come Nov because many men and women can see through their dishonest disingenuous candidate and their elitist view that we are all dummies who can’t think for ourselves. Elitists like Pelosi and Dean must go after Ohuhbama looses. These patronizing insulting passive agressive have no place in public service.
Dean, Pelosi, Donna, etc. know that they will be ended with their political life soon if they let Hillary be nominated. Therefore, they have to select Obama for nominee even they know he is not going to win GE just to survive themselves longer in politics!
They have just seated FL & MI saying “now that they have a nominee” and BHO has 375 more delegates.
Have you ever heard such a blatant lie?..well yes
just today I heard something on the news that the DNC still contends Hillary supporters will get behind Obama after the convention. I hope to hell I am wrong. Alot of women are wishy washy and some who are leading the blogs are saying they will not vote for McCain. So while they are touting their fight for Democracy, in the end they are going to vote for Obama who has slapped Democracy right in the face. So to those people I say, take down your sign unless you really believe what the sign says that you are parading around. It takes alot of guts for those of us with conviction to meet vulgarity, sexism, cheating and yes, even violence and threats face to face and say “screw you, I’m not taking it anymore.”
We will see after the convention how many of us will still be standing for Democracy and who will give up.
On the eve of the distruction of the Democratic Party and democracy in America, a fitting song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8SfiCnwF28
good one
lets not forget our PUMA In DENVER
The REVOLUTION
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I can’t believe what I am hearing.
First dodobird CAroline K (with the most PURSED lips possible) trying to defend BIDEN against that commercial where he compliments McCain
THEN Tim Kaine on another channel (fox) is trying to defend OBAMA. Saying he has the judgment
HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH? SAY WHA?????
judgment to pick a HUGE HATER OF WHITE AMERICA for his “spiritual mentor/leader/guide”
judgment to pick a wife that also is recorded on video spewing her version of I hate WHITE AMERICA
judgment to buy a property and associate with people like REZKO
judgment to launch his Senate CAmpaign from the FRONT PORCH of an AMERICAN born (TimMc type) TERRORIST??? who is also on record saying he didn’t cause enough damage!!!
judgment to have his BABY GIRLS (whom he wouldn’t want “punished” with a baby) yet he’s willing to let JEREMIAH HATE pretend he’s baptizing them??? plus pretend to BLESS HIS MARRIAGE?
lmao I bless this marriage in the name of all the HATE I can SCREAM blaming WHITEY & America for holding my brother DOWN (even though I choose not to give them ONE DIME more than 1 percent of my 6 figure income)
JEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZUs
this list could go on for EVER and I can NOT believe it was this easy to just freely type this………….
it’s long enough so I’ll stop
Hillary? Have you just decided to GIVE This to your buddy JOHN? Thanks for warning us.
Hey JOHN what say you go DDDDD for VPPPPP?
Rendell goes off over Obama loving media coverage
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was supposed to give “closing remarks” during this afternoon’s Shorenstein Center-sponsored panel discussion with all three Sunday show moderators — NBC’s Tom Brokaw, ABC’s George Stephanopoulous and CBS’s Bob Schieffer — but instead, he opened up a can of worms about bias in 2008 election coverage
“Ladies and gentleman, the coverage of Barack Obama was embarrassing,” said Rendell, in the ballroom at Denver’s Brown Palace Hotel. “It was embarrassing.”
Continue Reading:
http://countusout.wordpress.com
Dynamite case history comparative, should be an academic exercise. did not know of biden’s role.
I remember everything you have reported Reverend Amy but there is one incident you left out that reminds me of the PUMAs.
When Joe Biden excluded Anita and the entire episode from being admitted before the Judiciary Committee, the women in Congress revolted. Led by Patsy Shroeder of Colorado and Louise Slaughter of N.Y. they locked arms and marched on the Court house. They staged a demonstration against Biden with the Slogan “Men just don’t get it”! They forced Biden and the Judiciary Committee to back down and give Anita her say.
Think of it.
Women stood up and said “No Means No”!
Led by women from Colorado and N.Y.
They did get the sexual harassment law enacted, they did make things a little better.
Gotta love the irony.
So What have the Women of Puma been doing since the Marriot?
Locking arms, where ever they are, and going on strike against the DNC.
I would like to suggest a theme song.
“We’re Not Going To Take It”!
Well Done So Far Pumas, keep up the pressure.
Damn! I’m proud of you!
August 24, 2008
Categories: MSNBC
Rendell: Obama coverage was embarrassing
Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell was supposed to give “closing remarks” during this afternoon’s Shorenstein Center-sponsored panel discussion with all three Sunday show moderators — NBC’s Tom Brokaw, ABC’s George Stephanopoulous and CBS’s Bob Schieffer — but instead, he opened up a can of worms about bias in 2008 election coverage
“Ladies and gentleman, the coverage of Barack Obama was embarrassing,” said Rendell, in the ballroom at Denver’s Brown Palace Hotel. “It was embarrassing.”
Rendell, an ardent Hillary Rodham Clinton supporter during the primaries, now backs Obama in the general election. Brokaw and Rendell began debating campaign coverage, including the on-air comments by Lee Cowan, and when MSNBC came up, Rendell went after the cable network.
“MSNBC was the official network of the Obama campaign,” Rendell said, who called their coverage “absolutely embarrassing.”
Chris Matthews, Rendell said, “loses his impartiality when he talks about the Clintons.”
At that point, PBS’s Judy Woodruff, who was moderating the moderators event, said: “Why don’t we let Governor Rendell sit down.”
That was met with applause from the crowd of big-time media figures, which included Arianna Huffington, Gwen Ifill, Al Hunt, and Chuck Todd.
Woodruff allowed Brokaw to respond, and in defending the network, he said that Matthews and Keith Olbermann are “not the only voices” on MSNBC.
(This post has been updated with additional quotes)
By Michael Calderone 03:40 PM
MORE:
http://www.thepolitico.com
After we defeat Obama, I want punitive damages against
the elitist left. I want to see the
National Endowment for the Arts closed down!
I agree, AX10, we should also pull the plug on NPR and Teletubbies. Gay, elitist liberal institutions that they are, and any other whim that captures your republican fancy.
Thanks to 0bama, “Republican” is no longer the insult that it once was!
Yeah. We want reparations. That seems to be the style.
He should have said, “Yes. I’ll sit down and shut up, but if you think the American people are going to do the same…You’re wrong!” “You people showed just how unprofessional you are. You were an embarassment not only to yourself and your network. You were an embarassment to the United States Citizens. Media, with your chills going up your leg. You’re I get weak in my knees. Female reporters acting like Jr. High School girls, move so we can get a crotch shot. Your refusal to vet Obama.” “If you think for one second this convention and this facade you’re now trying to pull is the end of it…Think again. Come back and tell me in Nov just what the American people thought of you and your fawning. How all those Clinton supporters just got over it.”
LOL that’s awesome, he totally should’ve said that.
If Hillary had run in 2004 but Kerry still had gotten the nomination would you have voted for Bush? Will you subject this nation to another 4 years of Bush-style policies out of spite for Obama? And in hopes that the only true candidate can run in 2012 (assuming we still have a democracy then)? Why don’t you just write-in Dick Cheney instead? COMNTSMF (Cutting Off My Nose To Spite My Face) might be a better acronym for this movement but if McCain is elected because of your abandoning the Democratic party you will be forever known as PUMAs (Pushed Up My Ass!). Bill certainly believes in a cult of personality but I doubt Hillary really does. I would love for her to be the first female President of the United States but I think it’s pretty stupid (and selfish) to try to ruin any chance of a Democratic presidency until she’s the only candidate. I’m a Democrat, not a Obama-maniac but I don’t want another 4 years of right-wing disasters!
If did not happened, so there is no point. But if Kerry would have shafted the caucuses and would not have wanted a revote in Florida and Michigan he would have been just like Bush in 2000. No difference
Voting for Obama will give the nation more Bush like policies.
Of course anytime women stand up for themselves their selfish. lol.
DNC vote Hillary for nominee.
Depends on if he stole it or not. Obama stole this election.
shut up you fucking asshole. you fucking moronic trolls never address all of the dishonesty, cheating, flip flopping, white hating bullshit from your idol, all you talk about is party. This isn’t about the party, this is about our country you dipshit. Do you even know what Democracy is? I am sure you don’t.
Bush isn’t running and it was your candidate Oblowme who voted for the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill – not John McSane.
Your demented candidate never met a terrorist he didn’t like
and sells out to special interests by voting against class action suits
while claiming to be a civil rights attorney.
Oblowme just voted for FISA,
so no, I don’t think he has the balls to vote against a stupid war, which he never did.
McSane meanwhile, has the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill and a maverick label.
This is old news and besides that if we wrote in Dick Cheney, it would only assure his distant cousin, Barack would win the election.
John McCain is not bush3. That would be Obama and his thugs. Now that’s irony for you.
McCain did exactly what Hillary is doing now. Suck it up and bide his time.
A telling story about how the McCains have not forgotten how they were treated by Bush/Rove/Cheney and all the ugly rumors…saying he had an illegitimate black child among others planted about his family…is from Cindy McCain interviewed by Newsweek. Their adopted Bandledeshi daughter asked: “Mommy why does the President of the United States hate me?” She had to explain that we can’t take politics personally and that she had done nothing wrong; that they were attacking her father not her. No, the McCains have not forgotten. Maybe forgiven, but not forgotten. Right now they need the RNC’s support. No one is going to be elected as an Independent.
According to Biden, after Mac was trashed by BushCo, he considered joining the Dems but decided to wait his chance instead. I thought it interesting that she would share this with the media. We will see the return of the bi-partisan maverick when he’s in the White House.
-If Hillary had run in 2004 but Kerry still had gotten the nomination would you have voted for Bush?-
Actually, I almost voted for Bush. I’m a Nader voter, and was OUTRAGED at how the undemocratic Democratic Party sued to keep Nader off ballots in 2004. It would have been a F@ U vote. Nothing more.
That was their answer to the 2000 fiasco. The Dems blamed Nader in 2000. Why don’t they blame themselves. Why did the Gore team distance themselves from a President that was leaving office with 60% approval rating? Among other things.
Now, with Clintons back in the picture, with Hillary’s strong position in NY, with Bill Clinton still very respected and admired, the quattro burritos at the DNC carry on or ignore undemocratic shenanigans during the primaries. Enough with the undemocratic tactics.
Quattro Burritos did not learn in 2004, instead they don’t care what people want. It’s what they want and that is to remake the Democratic Party, like a McMansion on a 1776 farmhouse lot.
There is no unity in the leadership of the Democratic Party, there is no consensus. Why would you expect unity within the democratic voters.
Obama was shoved up our collective ass, to use your eloquence, well now your are witnessing a collective colonics.
Well Chas,
How about the fact Senator Obama is CORRUPT and part of the Chicago Combine. How about all those domestic and foreign terrorists he hangs out with. How about all the disenfranchisement and corrupt party tactics. This has gone way beyond the Clintons for me and frankly I’m sick of you Obama supporters trying to guilt trip us into supporting your candidate. He’s probably not EVEN a natural-born citizen and he’s unqualified to boot. And to put it bluntly he sucks big time. Get over it, we’re not joining your stupid unity campaign.
PUMA – McCain 08
yes, I will subject this nation and call bullshit when I see it.
This might be the beginning of a viable badly needed third party that can better represent the middle class. I’m so sick of these elitists that are trying to shaft the country so THEY can be part of history. Vanity yyyerkk!
Why is it that NO ONE from OBAMA’s campaign can give a straight answer, when they are asked why Sen. Clinton was never vetted or even just out of courtesy. She does have 18 million voters behind her. Why do they refuse????
Hank,
I read earlier today that she stated clearly upfront when first approached with the VP question that she only wanted to be vetted IF she was really going to get the gig. I think that was pragmatic of her, to be honest. And I also think it was pragmatic of Obama to not waste her time when he knew, after the bloodiest most divisive primary in history, that she wouldn’t be the one.
So why don’t they just say it. Why do they start studdering? WHY DO PREFER TO LIE, THAN BE TRUTHFUL AND SAY IT!!
Your reading source?
In the end, it came down to Biden, Indiana Sen. Evan Bayh and Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine, said several people involved in the deliberations. Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius also was a strong contender, but dropped out of contention as Obama focused on the other three.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, who ran so closely to Obama in the primary, was never seriously considered, said two officials involved with the search. She asked not to be vetted unless she was going to be picked, the two officials said, speaking on a condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.
How does it feel to have your candidate pick a VP who voted for the war, FISA, Bush Cheney energy bill, and is part of the old boys network as “Washington as usual”. Aren’t Barack Hussein Oblahma’s supporters against all of this?
Obama voted for FISA and the Bush Cheney Energy Giveaway, too. I have no doubt in my mind he would’ve followed the other Democratic sheep and voted “for the war” HAD he been in the U.S. Senate at the time. But since he was not but is trying to make it seem like he was (see Saddleback Forum for more on that), he is just talking out of his ass, as usual.
EVERYBODY IS GOING UNDER THE BUS !!!!
The democratic party is just getting sleazier by the second. First the messiah throws everybody he can under the bus, and now Hillary throws all her supporters under the bus !!! All these people that gave all their time and money to her … She preached about being a fighter ???? She is no fighter … She is just playing along with whatever the messiah wants, even if it means throwing all her supporters over a cliff … I cant believe anybody democrat or republican would vote for this new democratic party, which seems to have evolved into nothing more than old chicago sleazy style politics …
Whether you agree with McCain or not, at least he has put his country first in the past, and seems to be putting his country first now, at least compared to the messiah and Hillary.
This is not about democrat or republican anymore. This is about the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and what it stands for, and electing somebody who respects the United States of America and what it stands for, including free elections …
This is not about democrat or republican anymore. This is about the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, and what it stands for, and electing somebody who respects the United States of America and what it stands for, including free elections …
I totally agree with you…
YUP
JM08 – Hillary did not throw us, her supporters under the bus. Many have already explained she simply biding her time and doing what she has to do as a politician. I don’t expect anything else from her. I would bet she and Bill and Chelsea will probably vote McCain in the privacy of the voting booth. And yes, it is about country. Our country won’t doesn’t need Barry in the White House and I doubt it could survive his wife. (I’m sorry I don’t like her, she’s creepy.)
Many, many people do not like his wife. I’m pretty sure even HE does not like her ballbusting attitude either. We don’t need that shit in the White House, and especially SHE does not deserve to step into the same shoes of the wives before her. She is disgusting.
that sounds like michelle obama.
Furthermore please dont respond to my post with 10 layers of nuance trying to rationalize what Hillary is doing as some sort of “secret plan” or some bs like that … If it quacks like a duck its a duck ..
And good evening to you, Republican!
Whatever two-timer!
Stop the hate!
Hi Donna,
We’ve chatted before. I had to change my name after getting banned for the 10th time. Free speech reigns at NQ! And get your panties out of a bunch. You KNOW as well as I do that Republicans in Dem drag haunt this website. Hell, I’m a troll and even I can see that. Anytime somebody sounds excessively critical of Hillary and overly zealous about McCain, it’s usually a Repub.
Anyway, Stop the Hate! Obama/Biden 08
Hate like Michelle wanting to rip president Clintons eyes out
Hate like Michelle and Barak taking their young children to a church where the preacher tells the people to “hate America”.
Dan,
It takes a really mean-spirited person to say something like that, but what is most disturbing is the wife of a presidential candidate saying such a thing about an opponents spouse (a member of the same party), let alone a former president.
I agree, Michelle O is scary, creepy and mean.
I so don’t want this kind of person to be role model for my daughter!
I have been a lifelong Democrat and find it difficult how anyone who does not support racism or sexism can support Obama.
As a lifelong Democrat, I find those individuals now running the new Democratic Party to lack ethics and integrity. Many of the individuals on this site are sincere and support America before a fraud like Obama or a political party that has set race relations and gender equality back decades. There is no stifling of speech as there is on Obama supported websites (e.g., DailyKos, MyDD).
Obama supporters need to search their souls to determine what type of ethics and morals they support.
It’s Debbie Does Dallas Troll!
The author(l)ess who can’t name the books that she claims she wrote.
So Debbie – were Oblowme’s birth parents married, and if so, when and where and what documents do you have for this?
When did Oblowme change his name? What document(s) do you have to prove this?
How did Oblowme graduate 493rd out of 497 at Columbia and go on to Harvard? Because his father was a legacy/ and or he’s AA?
Why did Oblowme announce his State Senate candidacy in Ayers’ living room?
Where did Oblowme live while he was at Columbia?
Tell us about the dead “well-built” Pakistani he lived with!
What about the white woman he lived with for a year?
Why didn’t Oblowme write anything for the Harvard Law Review?
Why didn’t he write anything as a part-time instructor at a law school in Chicago?
You claim to be such an Oblowme expert and you just can’t stay away,
but you never answer any questions.
Nope, wrong troll, though I have read Debbie’s posts and agree with most of them. Your incoherent tirade was for nothing.
Gee, I recall that’s what debbie said in one post about you.
roflmao. when it comes to standing up for your idiot Soetoro, you can’t even do it, can you?
did they teach you to plug your ears anytime someone says something not to your liking, or is that just a natural smelly wax build up?
Shouldn’t you be out lynching somebody, MEchelle? It’s getting dark outside. Speaking of true academic fuck ups, how’s McCain’s fifth from the bottom finish working out for ya?
you are an ass and don’t belong around intelligent people.
enjoy your last post, troll.
Two Timer!
Now your true colors come out!
Flowery language is more your suit!
Are you still trying to publish one of those children’s books? Maybe you should consider this title for your next book:
“Little BO says to Biden, Are you my DADDY?” Ha, Ha, Ha! A Presidential candidate that needs a babysitter.
Priceless.
Stop the hate, debbie the two timer troll!
you’re a stupid ass..I voted Republican once in my life in my first election and that was because my parents were Republican and I still lived at home. I haven’t voted Republican since. Like you’re idol, you’re full of shit. Stupid too.
two timer debbie does dallas et al
only pitches that “you’re a Republican” line because it assumes you care.
I’m a proud Indy voting for McSane/Anyone but Powell.
The Dems DESERVE to LOSE!
two term obama….
i can see why you were banned several times. you are quite dull, and frankly unimaginative, as well as plain stooopid.
as for republicans writing on this site…i welcome them.
hell, i’m being forced by the obamacrats to become one!
Sen John McCain is going to trash obobo in the GE.
it has very little now to do with Hillary and whatever she decides to do with her votes. it’s about the corrupt chicago style/ corporate media dem elite takeover of what used to be Democracy. i truly dislike cheaters and obama is a very BIG one. the obamcoup will not take over this country. they may steal it, but in a fair fight with The Mac, no way it gonna happen.
good luck with that kool aid shortage coming up in Nov.
two timer double speaks just like Fraudbama
Speaking of Republicans, do you know that Obama scored substantial donations from private equity-linked backers?
The Wall Street Journal had a great article on Feb. 22, 2008 called, Is Obama the Wall Street Candidate? and cited the following:
Obama has a financial record that would make any Republican proud!
Obama=Bush 3
Biden=Cheney
Obama Supporters-Neo-cons
If the only people not voting for Soretoes were Republicans, you and he wouldn’t have a care. We don’t normally see the trolls on te weekend so that is the biggest indication that Denmark has a stink that no one can ignor, dontcha think, sweetie?
When you sell your soul to Obama as many of his supporters have done, it can be scary realizing Obama is a loser.
You know what else is ironic? That anti-American witch Michelle Obama has been administering a program that turns away poor patients at the University of Chicago Medical Center:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1122691%2CCST-NWS-hosp23.article
The Obama’s are a couple of corrupt clowns who could care less about the poor.
They have been shafting the poor from Rezko’s slums and now we find out about shafting sick poor people. They are elitists sick little puppies. Lets hope they get arrested like Rezko. loosers
How about “Not Ready to Make Nice” by the Dixie Chicks for a theme song?
It would be cool if only Natalie Mains wasn’t an Obama troll now.
I am SO TIRED of listening to “Biden” this and “Biden” that! God get up off your knees CNN pundits!If he was so great why the hell no one voted for him in the primaries? Also, do these damn bots have trackers? I swear it feels like they are following me all around the blogosphere!
I just had one tell me “Aha” I KNEW you werent black? WTF? Come on,I have made like so many damn utube videos….anyway anyone know why are they acting like there on crack today?
Soldier is a black women soldier of intelligence and integrity. Stop lieing that she is otherwise. You 13 year olds are sickening and spreading lies on the blogoshpere.
Oh they are acting like they are on crack today because they have to go back to school pretty soon.
Patsy
I’ve never met anyone on crack but if this is what it looks like I will remember next time!!!
LOL
If it wasn’t for Vets like you and People like Sugar and of course PUMA & NoQtr I’d feel totally lost.
SOOOOO glad there are so many millions of us. I hope 100,000 of them show up in DENVER!
**THE ROLL CALL VOTE MAY BE A SHAM!!!**
Please visit: http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/ for
the latest updates on this situation. She’s asking
if anyone can get this out to the networks and cable
outlets.
From what I understand, delegates are going to be
asked to submit their votes, in writing, some, as
early as 10AM. Votes will be processed at the hotels.
The votes will be final. So, if this is the case,
that means, the floor vote is a sham!
This by NO MEANS is a way to win “friends and influence people”, let alone VOTERS!!! This is dele-
gate intimidation.
This news must be gotten out ahead of time. The Obama
campaign want to dump any negative outcome on the
Clintons? They need to take responsibility for his
“stupid moves” borne out of insecurity. He doesn’t
know what it means to let the voters/”delegates
decide. For him, it seems, the “fix” has to be in!
I hope that it is not so.
No surprise. They’ve done worse. Nothing about these thieving thugs surprises me. We must bring them down.
The VP bump must not have materialized. We are seeing Soretoes ads back on the air here in Ohio. So much for wanting to live in a battleground state!
So there will not be any vote monitoring and they can just take the paper vote and throw it away like they did for all the other Hillary votes in the primary? This is not the way it is supposed to go. This is not democracy. It’s supposed to be a private ballot cast on the floor with more than one roll call.
Get ready to vote out the culprits this November.
Hey I wonder were Patti Sell Out Solis Doyle, Bill Judas Richardson & John cant keep my pants up Edwards, Donna Fuc&ed up Hair Day Brazile are? I am having a “Under the Bus” Ceremony on Friday on my blog. Yep, there going up under there with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Jr..
OMG…LOL
I LOVE theme parties! That is a riot!
it doesn’t matter if Hillary’s delegates continue to support her at the convention or not. They are going to hand it over to Obama and will somehow turn Hillary votes into Obama ones. They will try to make it look like he got overwhelming support from delegates and Hillary so voters should get behind him too. Well kiss my ass because I’m not doing it.
After King George the Dem’s got majority in Congress and what did they do?? NOTHING, they pissed it away and have a lower approval rating than before. They took impeachment of Bush off the table right away. I’ve seen corruption and incomptence before but this takes the cake. They’re no better than Republicans. So for you little asswipe trolls, save your little party speech. I am voting for this country and that is John McCain. Maybe sometime between your Obama yoga classes and text messages you can squeeze a history class. Otherwise you are wasting oxygen and space.
Why do they portray Clinton supporters as bitter. I am not bitter. I am mad as hell, I mean its not like everyday you see the goddamn dead come back to vote after they die. I mean whats up with this crap?
What do the lawyers do? Read the will to the family and get to the last paragraph and say “Im leaving the Democratic party my vote for Obama?”
Wake me up in 2012, or when you guys find that 57th state where the Great Lakes happen to be in Oregon..(Courtesy of W.O.R.M). I cant believe these assholes think Obama bin Biden will ever get my vote. Obamabots you might want to go register voters noq at the morgue now because thats the only way BO-BIDEN will win.
Soon as he loses, and he will, I am going to take my sheet,since apparently I am racist now.. cut some eye holes, flat iron my hair and dance in the damn street. All you bitter bible clinging, gun carrying sweeties are welcome to join me.
I’m w ya girl! whoo hoo!! Amen to all that!
OMG! Don’t try to stop her she’s on a roll.
The sheets could do double duty as costumes.
They could also represent the ghosts of the dead voters!
PUMAs could wear those orange safety vests like crossing guards.
I’ll be there, Patsy, dancing and laughing, and enjoying the Unity Boo Hoo.
You go, girl! I’m not bitter- I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it any more! This is just politics as usual in Chicago. Gee, thanks, DNC jerks & lowlife Nobama. I’m STILL praying for that miracle! If no miracle, then I vote McCain.
LOL You totally need to YouTube this one. It’s fucking hilarious.
We have been sold down the river!
Read this if you can stomach it.
Democrats preach party unity on convention eve
DENVER (Reuters) – Democrats preached party unity on Sunday on the eve of a four-day convention to nominate Barack Obama for the White House, with former rival Hillary Clinton preparing to urge her disgruntled supporters to back Obama.
More than 4,000 Democratic delegates and tens of thousands of officials, activists, protesters and journalists descended on Denver for the formal crowning of Obama, a first-term Illinois senator, as the party’s leader and candidate for president.
About 1,000 Iraq war protesters rallied at the Colorado State Capitol and marched through the city streets to Denver’s basketball arena, site of the first three days of the convention, where they dispersed without incident, police said.
Obama advisers played down the gathering’s one potential note of discord — the continued unhappiness among some supporters of Clinton, the New York senator who was narrowly beaten by Obama in a bitter nominating struggle.
Obama has tried to ease the tension, agreeing to let Clinton have her name placed in nomination and giving her a prime-time speaking slot on Tuesday night. Her husband, former President Bill Clinton, will speak on Wednesday night.
Clinton plans to speak to her delegates on Wednesday morning and urge them to support Obama ahead of a roll call vote on the nomination that night, a Democratic Party source said.
But anger over her treatment flared among her supporters again when Obama chose Delaware Sen. Joseph Biden as his running mate on Saturday — and apparently never investigated putting her on the ticket.
“Look, he has a high regard for Senator Clinton,” Obama adviser David Axelrod said on ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “But he felt that Senator Biden would be the best fit for him at this time.”
Obama spoke with both Clintons this week, and his advisers predicted any bruised feelings would heal by the time Obama delivers his acceptance speech before 80,000 at Denver’s football stadium on Thursday.
The speech by Obama, who would be the first black U.S. president, falls on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King’s “I Have a Dream” speech — a highlight of the 1960s civil rights movement.
“Senator Obama had a great conversation with Senator Clinton this week as well as former President Bill Clinton. Everybody’s on board. And it’s going to drive the media crazy when we come out of this convention united,” said Obama strategist Robert Gibbs.
Obama, who was on the campaign trail on Sunday in the battleground state of Wisconsin, is running neck-and-neck with Republican White House rival John McCain in most national polls ahead of the November 4 election.
Republicans tried to fan the flames of a possible Clinton feud, launching a television ad featuring a series of her criticisms during the primary campaign.
‘SPEAKING THE TRUTH’
“She won millions of votes but isn’t on his ticket. Why? For speaking the truth,” the narrator said, followed by Clinton’s criticisms of Obama’s lack of specificity on issues and questions about his relationship to convicted Chicago businessman Tony Rezko, a former fundraiser.
A Clinton spokeswoman noted the senator’s clear support for Obama.
“She has said repeatedly that Barack Obama and she share a commitment to changing the direction of the country, getting us out of Iraq, and expanding access to health care. John McCain doesn’t. It’s interesting how those remarks didn’t make it into his ad,” said spokeswoman Kathleen Strand.
Obama’s choice of Biden, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and one of the party’s most respected foreign policy voices, as his running mate was aimed at shoring up one of his biggest weaknesses.
A Washington Post-ABC News poll on Sunday showed just half of registered voters thought Obama has sufficient experience to serve effectively as president. McCain had a 2 to 1 lead over Obama as the candidate with better knowledge of world affairs and the one who would make a better commander in chief.
Biden, a Roman Catholic, also brings strong working-class roots to the ticket that could help Obama connect with the blue-collar voters he failed to attract in the primaries.
“I am thrilled that Joe Biden will be my vice president. The conversations we’ve been having over the past couple of days make me absolutely convinced he is the right man for the job,” Obama told reporters in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
“He’s got the passion to lift up middle-class Americans. He hasn’t forgotten his working class roots,” Obama said.
Obama said he was “tooling around with my speech a little bit” and tried to lower expectations.
“It may not be as good as the other headliners the first three nights but hopefully it will make clear the choice the American people are going to face in November,” he said.
(Additional reporting by Caren Bohan, Andrea Hopkins and Keith Coffman; Editing by David Wiessler)
Wat ws source has been correct on anything this season, and with words coming from Obama’s side about Clinton is as useful as used toilet paper.
Something else is brewing after Gov Rendell spoke today and ripped the media a new one in the process!
http://www.politico.com
Rendell is prolly peeved because we do not get the traditional convention floor vote. What wrong with out Democracy!? Payback is a betch.
Yes she has commitment to changing the direction of
this country!
It is up to the delegates to protest NOT HAVING an
actual floor vote. Not being able to change their
vote. This is NOT democracy and needs to get out to
the MSM, if this is the case.
Why would the superdelegates go along with this?
Do they know? It doesn’t matter whether you plan to
vote for OB or not. This is our democracy at stake.
The talk, by some in the MSM, is that the Clintons,
will be blamed if he doesn’t win. This is some-
thing that can do “so much” to alienate those voters
that the Obama campaign is trying to reach. Hillary
should be held accountable for their failure to
hold with the democratic process.
Down with Howard Dean and the rest of the coluders!
Pardon me, that should read:
Hillary should NOT be held accountable for their
failure to hold with the domocratic process.
Down with Howard Dean and the rest of them, who
may be involved in this scheme!
Why is Senator Clinton not speaking at the Womens Caucaus? You know, I am really getting tired of them screwing her over. They damn near have every female celebrity and business owner speaking and SENATOR CLINTON CANT DAMN speak? You gotta love the Democratic parties version of unity. Its not everyday you get to see a one leg pony with a whole lot of people on the back.
They even have a terrorist Muslim speaking and Pelosi is trying to justify it as unity. MEchelle’s brother is speaking as well as Oprah. They are giving 18 million plus voters the finger. The audacity of this!
If I drank I’d get sloshed. We worked all summer for this?
Bots your messiah is going to chicago on the first thing smokin…the only White House he will see, is if its one of McCains seven or the jail house for all those fraudelent contributions from third world countries. I could care less if Senator Clinton jumps on the unity pony. I have already accepted the fact that my chosen candidate supports a party and is loyal to a party, that treated her like crap for that damn Chicago Thug that is Obambi.
She has always stated she would support him despite how her supporters felt,but I would of never thought the most qualified individual would lose based on percieved coat tails and pac contributions. Lesson learned. I am not FOR Mccain, but I am against Senator Obama. So you better come correct and go all out cause for Obambi because you might just see me at the next plot over right next to you registering voters at the cemetery for Mccain.
Moral of the story? I AM NOT VOTING FOR THE FRAUD. Watching Senator Clinton break her damn back campaigning for him is like getting stabbed in the back and then coming back to twist it for good measure.FURIOUS does not describe it.
Something seems out of sorts today, and it could be a warning shot by Gov Rendell ripping a new one to the media out of the blue in their love fest of Obama and disrespect towards Hillary.
Gov Rendell is a political machine and does nothing without reason, and is this the begining of the Clinton machine operating again?
Actually, McCain took the first shot last night with the new ad, followed today by Gov Rendell. Could we be in for a suprise in a few nights by Hillary making a statement that 3 Democrats will be on the ballot in the fall, just one is VP for a GOP?
What has Hillary to lose doing so, Obama not winning in Nov will be dumped on Hillary anyhow, so in the grand scheme of things, what has she to lose?
We have all seen what the DNP does to those they want to blame, just ask Joe Lieberman.
Hillary also has one person on her side, one of the best political numbers people in decades behind her in Bill and Bill enjoys confrontation, it makes him shine, so this will be an interestng week leading to Friday with McCain’s announcing his VP friday.
And do not forget, he is doing so in Ohio, the key battleground state, and the bastion of Hillary’s rise from the MSM ashes!
Please God let it be so!
I’m hopeful that the books, documentaries that will
be born as a product of this election will serve to
educate the country about this election. Expose and
help to correct the what ailes it.
Ed Rendell said on Fox today, that Sen. Clinton did
want to run again. Did I see him say it? I heard it
repeated.
HILLARY 2012
Remember how Biden and Company folded like a cheap (empty) suit after the Republicans came out with charges of high-tech lynching. Now There’s a leader for you.
Biden has been in the Senate for 35 years, has anyone ever heard of any leadership he has presented in his 35 years there??? This guy is like part of the furniture in the Senate.
“From what I understand, delegates are going to be
asked to submit their votes, in writing, some, as
early as 10AM. Votes will be processed at the hotels.”
I don’t have the link handy, but I think it was Stalin that said something about he didn’t care who voted as long as he controlled who counted the votes.
IMO, someone should run a full page ad in the USA today
listing the name of every Clinton delegate who was replaced illegally by an Obama supporter. When the number of HRC delegates are counted and added to the replacement list The number should exceed the Obama delegates. HRC should gather her delegates and assure than that she is not surrendering to Obama and his thugs. If the battle for party control is not fought in Denver, I don’t think it will be fought. Waiting till 2012 will be like the anti Castro people trying to fight their way back into power at the Bay of Pigs, a massacre.
PAGAR: “like the anti Castro people trying to fight their way back into power at the Bay of Pigs, a massacre” A significant number of the members of the Bay of Pigs fighters were veterans of the fight againt Batista..they were going back because Castro betrayed the true democratic revolution..and it became a lost cause for many reasons…one was JFK’s failure to keep the word of the US/CIA to give them air support..with the exception of a few brave men..a monument in Little Havana honors the bravery of these few pilots that did keep their word when the US gov did not.
Sorry..needed to clarify your reference
JFK’s failure to provide the promised air support was the CAUSE of the Cuban Missile crisis. Castro saw that the U.S. might attack again and he needed help to prevent that, the Soviets came to their rescue.
Obama won’t lose. They will find a way to rig this election…with no paper trail for E-voting machines, it’s pretty easy to do so.
How ironic is this? Bush had to replace a black with a black otherwise he would have been called racist. So he ends up picking Thomas who did not have the qualifications. Now Obama who is woefully underqualified and has a lot more baggage than Thomas wants to play the Uncle Tom card after he has already played the Uncle Wright card and the ubiquitous race card. Like Thomas, Obama has risen to lofty heights due to his race. Obama owes a lot to blacks and guilty whites who have imposed their own affirmative action in an effort to elect Obama.
Everyone of us who has refused to support Obama has been called racist numerous times by the Oracists. They refuse to shed their racism or guilt so they direct it at others who don’t have these anchors tied to them and sinking them to low levels.
I think Clarence Thomas was the worst Supreme Court Justice of my lifetime. But, I wonder how people on this blog can attack him for sexual harrassment which, if true, would be about a 1 or 2 on a scale of 10, when Hillary’s husband engaged in sexual harrassment in the Paula Jones case that was more like a 7 or 8.
My biggest problem with Hillary is her spouse.
Now blame the woman for her husband.
LilRod, your post was excellent, Cubans who believed they had been betrayed by Castro were going back to try to rescue their country. If HRC and her supporters can’t rescue her country in Denver, Obama and his supporters are going to do what ever they have to do to make sure HRC is never again a threat to Obama, IMO.
The caucus crimes this year were just a warm up.