Hillary, All Class
By Larry Johnson
Email: larry_johnson@earthlink.net
Site: http://NoQuarterUSA.net
About: Larry C. Johnson is a former analyst at the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency, who moved subsequently in 1989 to the U.S. Department of State, where he served four years as the deputy director for transportation security, antiterrorism assistance training, and special operations in the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism. He left government service in October 1993 and set up a consulting business. He currently is the co-owner and CEO of BERG Associates, LLC (Business Exposure Reduction Group) and is an expert in the fields of terrorism, aviation security, and crisis and risk management, and money laundering investigations. Johnson is the founder and main author of No Quarter, a weblog that addresses issues of terrorism and intelligence and politics. NoQuarterUSA was nominated as Best Political Blog of 2008.[1] He has worked as a private consultant on issues of international terrorism and security for the U.S. Government and private companies. Johnson has appeared as a consultant and commentator in many major newspapers and news programs.[2]
Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Views
2.1 1996
2.2 1998
2.3 1999
2.4 2000
2.5 2001
2.6 2003
2.6.1 Plame affair
2.7 2008
3 Notes
4 References
5 External links
[edit]Background
Larry Johnson moved to Washington, D.C. in 1979 to begin work on a Ph.D. at the American University. Although he completed successfully all coursework and comprehensive exams, he did not write a dissertation. In 1978 and in 1983-85 he worked in Latin America on community development projects as a community organizer. Returning to the United States in 1985 he joined the Central Intelligence Agency, thanks in part to a letter of recommendation from Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) that helped to "open doors" for him at the Agency.[3] Johnson entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985 and was a classmate of Valerie Plame. Every member of that class was undercover. After a year in the Career Trainee program, which included a stint with the Afghan Task Force, Johnson was assigned as an analyst in the Middle America Caribbean Division in the Latin American Affairs Office of the Directorate of Intelligence. He received two Exceptional Performance awards and was promoted ultimately to Senior Regional Analyst for Central America.
Johnson remained undercover in the CIA until October 1989, when he resigned from the CIA and started a new job in the Office of Counter Terrorism at the Department of State. Johnson played an instrumental role in launching the Terrorism Rewards program international advertising campaign (working with Diplomatic Security officers Brad Smith and Michael Parks). [4] Johnson also was involved in a variety of crisis management response operations, including the release of hostages from Lebanon and liaison with the Pan Am 103 families. He left government service in October 1993 and started his own business as a consultant.
After leaving government service, Johnson became a frequent guest on many major television news shows when a question of terrorism came up. He was first interviewed by CNN following the capture of Carlos the Jackal. Johnson subsequently appeared on CNN, ABC's Nightline, CBS, the BBC, MSNBC, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, NBC, and NPR. In December of 1999, for example, Johnson was hired by NBC to serve as its terrorist expert for the Y2000 and was in Time Square with Tom Brokaw and Katie Couric ("a lot of fun and the best way to see in the New Year"). Johnson also was hired in January 2002 as a Fox News Analyst and remained under contract until February 2003.
Since 1994 a significant focus of Johnson's consulting work has been with the U.S. military special operations forces in scripting and conducting military counter terrorism exercises. He traveled under orders from the U.S. military to Iraq in May 2006 to work on a short term project.
A registered Republican who supported President Bush in 2000, Johnson became a strong critic of the Bush administration in May 2003 for its conduct of the war in Iraq and, a few months later, for its role in the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame.[5] He was also featured in the 2004 political documentary Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. Since Robert Novak's controversial disclosure of Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in July 2003, Johnson has contributed to public discourse on intelligence matters, often sparking further controversy. He has been interviewed by both the mass media and the alternative media and published commentaries on a variety of issues, including the Plame affair, the controversy concerning Mary McCarthy, and the resignation of Porter Goss as Director of Central Intelligence.
[edit]Views
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[edit]1996
In 1996, Johnson noted that terrorism worldwide was on the decline. "Terrorist incidents [both internationally and in the US] have fallen to levels not seen since the 1970s. Whether measured by the number of incidents, the number of fatalities, or the number of groups, raw statistics demonstrate that the level of terrorist violence has declined since the mid-1980s. In fact, the evidence suggests terrorism was more widespread and deadly 10 years ago."[6]
He also wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times suggesting that the newer and more deadly terrorist threat to the U.S. was embodied by "networks of terrorists, mostly foreign, working within its borders." Exemplifying this threat was Ramzi Yousef, one of the masterminds behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. In the article, Johnson suggests that enhanced cooperation between intelligence agencies, particularly the FBI and CIA, is mandatory to meet the growing threat of terror networks.[7]
[edit]1998
In 1998, Johnson argued that while overall terrorism was declining, the threat from bin Laden and al-Qaeda should be the focus of American counterterrorism policy:
The nature of the threat posed by Bin Ladin is highlighted by my final chart, number 7. Osama Bin Ladin and individuals associated with him have killed and wounded more Americans than any other group. This chart also illustrates that groups such as Hamas and the Tamil Tigers (LTTE) prior to 1998 have killed more foreigners in the anti-US terrorist attacks. If we take into account the bombings of the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama's status as the most lethal terrorist is certain.[8]
In addition, he told USA Today that bin Laden had participated in "virtually every major attack of terrorism against the United States" in the 1990s. Johnson underlined the threat posed by bin Laden, saying that he was possessed by "hatred and craziness." If left unanswered, "he would continue to terrorize Americans around the world. He has no compunction about killing women and children. He's a complete egalitarian in his murderous attitude."[9]
[edit]1999
In an interview with PBS's Frontline for its 1999 program, Hunting bin Laden, Johnson discussed Osama bin Laden.[10] According to Johnson, Americans had "tended to make Osama bin Laden sort of a superman in Muslim garb." "Actually," he continues, "Osama bin Laden, in my view, represents more of a symptom of a problem, and the problem is this: the Saudi Arabian government, not just Osama bin Laden but many people in Saudi Arabia, have been sending money to radical Islamic groups for years." Johnson continued:
When you look at who's killed Americans in the last 10 years, the individuals he's supported and backed--I'm basing that upon the initial information that's been released in the indictments and conversations with others in the intelligence communities--Osama bin Laden has been the one killing Americans. No other terrorist group in the world has been out killing Americans except for Osama bin Laden.... Osama bin Laden remains out there as the one really targeting us. So, we recognize that he's the threat. He's serious about wanting to kill Americans, but as long as he's in Afghanistan, as long as he doesn't have access to a cell phone, as long as he can't just hop on a plane and travel wherever he wants without fear of being arrested, his ability to plan and conduct terrorist operations is extremely limited. We have to recognize [that] he would like to do a lot of damage. He would like to kill Americans, but wanting to is different from being able to, having the full capabilities in place.[11]
In the interview, Johnson doubted the ability of members of bin Laden's organization to plan and put their lives on the line:
There's not another Ali or Mustafa out there at this point and Osama bin Laden in my view has not been a very effective organizer or leader. He talks a great game and puts out terrific threats as far as stirring the passions in the United States and maybe firing up the imaginations of some young Muslims throughout the world. But when push comes to shove, can he get a group of people who are together who will say: we are going to plan an operation, we're going to put our lives on the line, we're going to go out and try and kill people and we don't care what the consequence is? It hasn't happened.[12]
Frontline asked:
[Is it] ... fair to say what you're saying is that the president of the United States, his national security advisor, his deputy national security advisor for counter-terrorism, are basically blowing smoke [about the danger posed by bin Laden] and his followers]?
Johnson responded:
They're grossly exaggerating the problem. They are hyping it. They shouldn't be talking about rising terrorism. Instead of saying "terrorism's rising," it's not. "Terrorism is spreading," it's not. "More people are dying from terrorism," not the case. But what they should be saying is, "There's one individual out there that really doesn't like us, and he's made it his mission in life to kill Americans, and we've gotta deal with him." But we need to have a voice of reason in that process instead of putting ourselves out crying wolf, because this is essentially what's taking place right now. They call it the administration that cries wolf.[12]
[edit]2000
Johnson co-authored an article in 2000 with Milt Bearden which focused on the threat posed by al-Qaeda specifically, rather than terrorism trends in general. Beardon and Johnson note that new information emerging about the bombings at Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 points to the threat posed by Imad Mugniyah and Osama Bin Laden will require "a coordinated policy that will employ a full range of covert, clandestine, diplomatic, and military operations," concluding:
The Clinton Administration has shot its bolt on the terrorist problem with small effect, and no last minute show of force will change the record. A new administration can start afresh with a more sharply defined set of terrorism goals – Mughniyeh and bin Laden and their protectors for starters – and bring the full, coordinated force of American diplomatic, military, and intelligence capabilities to bear on the problem.[13]
[edit]2001
After Johnson's testimony to the special forum at the U.S. Senate, Gary J. Schmitt, executive director and CEO of the Project for the New American Century, refers in the Daily Standard (blog) to an op-ed piece Johnson wrote two months prior to the 9/11 attacks, claiming that Johnson argued that the US had little to fear from terrorism.[14]
In an editorial entitled "The Declining Terrorist Threat," published in the New York Times on 10 July 2001, Johnson says:
Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.... None of these beliefs are based in fact.... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way.[15]
Ten days after the 9/11 attacks, after quoting the above passage, Timothy Noah concludes a post in his "Chatterbox" feature at Slate: "Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong."[16] Johnson defended himself against such attacks:
The rightwing is resurrecting an op-ed I wrote in July 2001. I stand by the full article. It is still relevant today. I am accused, incorrectly, of ignoring the threat of terrorism. In fact, I correctly noted that the real threat emanated from Bin Laden and Islamic extremism. President Bush, for his part, ignored the CIA warning in August 2001 that Al Qaeda was posed to strike inside the United States.[17]
After September 11, Johnson appeared several times on FOX News to address the question of military action against terrorism. On 14 November, he defended the FBI's proposal to interview 5,000 students in the U.S. suspected of having information relevant to the September 11 investigations:
I think they should talk to everyone that they feel they have a need to talk to. I mean, look, this is war. This is not a legal proceeding. This isn't the O.J. Simpson trial. The folks that attacked us -- they murdered Americans. And we've got to recognize that in wartime, we should do things differently.[18]
[edit]2003
In January 2003, Johnson wrote an analysis of the relationship between the upcoming U.S. invasion of Iraq and the threat of transnational terrorism. According to Johnson, Bremer's response was to tell him that "it didn't matter what Saddam did or didn't do, we were going to war."[19] The paper warned that an invasion would "do little to destroy the infrastructure of radical Islamic terrorism responsible for the 9-11 attacks." Noting that Saddam Hussein's regime has been a longtime supporter of regional terrorist organizations such as the PLO, Johnson examines contacts between Saddam Hussein and transnational terrorist organizations such as al-Qaeda:
There is no doubt that Iraq is a state sponsor of terrorism—i.e., a country that provides financial support, safe haven, training, or weapons and explosives to groups or individuals that carry out terrorist attacks. . . . According to Central Intelligence Agency data, there is no credible evidence implicating Iraq in any mass casualty terrorist attacks since 1991. . . .
Johnson notes that the period immediately leading up to 2003 saw a rise of activity surrounding terrorist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, suggesting that "Iraq is willing to help a movement that it would otherwise oppose on ideological grounds. Nonetheless," Johnson concludes, "it is important to understand that Iraqi entreaties to Al Qaeda, are most likely intended as a tactic to bolster Iraq’s ability to fight off a U.S. invasion rather than a deep-seated theological and ideological commitment to the terrorist agenda of Bin Laden.[20]
In that analysis Johnson also warns that the U.S.-led invasion was likely to backfire:
In fact there is a serious risk that a U.S. led war against Iraq may crystallize the diffused anger in the Arab and Muslim world — a heretofore unattained goal of bin Laden and his followers — and persuade more Muslim youths to take up the terrorist banner against America and her citizens.... If we decide to invade Iraq we must be prepared for the contingency that our attack will inspire young Muslims to pursue jihad against the West in general and the United States in particular. Just as the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan rallied many Muslims, especially young adults to the cause of jihad, a U.S. attack may enable Islamic extremists to attract new followers.[20]
Johnson also gave interviews on the topic of what to do with captured al-Qaeda leaders; while he did not condone torture, he suggested that a "sleep deprivation and reward system" might be useful for getting information from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed:
I don't see a constitutional right to have eight hours of sleep. You shouldn't subject someone to freezing but they don't get to wear mink coats, either.[21]
In May 2003, Johnson joined members of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) in condemning the manipulation of intelligence for political purposes:
It is a misuse and abuse of intelligence. The president was being misled. He was ill served by the folks who are supposed to protect him on this. Whether this was witting or unwitting, I don't know, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.[22]
[edit]Plame affair
After Robert Novak wrote a column identifying the wife of former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson as a CIA officer, the media invited Johnson to comment on the ensuing scandal because he had been a member of the same Career Trainee class with Valerie Plame Wilson. For example, in October 2003, he appeared on Democracy Now to discuss the Plame affair. He told interviewer Amy Goodman that Valerie Wilson's cover should have been respected whether she was an "analyst" or a "cleaning lady": "if she's undercover she's undercover, period. If the media allows themselves to get distracted with those kinds of curve balls, they ignore the issue."[23]
He told a Senate Democratic Policy Committee in October 2003, "My classmates and I have been betrayed. Together, we have kept the secrets of each other's identities a secret for 18 years. Each and every one of us have kept that secret, whether we were in the CIA, in other government service or in the private sector. But this issue is not just about a blown cover. It is about the destruction of the very essence, the core of human intelligence collection activities: plausible deniability, apparently, for partisan domestic political reasons."[24]
Johnson testified at a special joint hearing of Congressional and Senate Democrats on 22 July 2005 about the consequences arising from the Plame affair.[25]
[edit]2008
In 2008, Johnson emerged as a staunch supporter of Hillary Clinton and a strong critic of Barack Obama. Larry Johnson's blog, NoQuarterUSA, became a rally point for Clinton supporters wary of Barack Obama's qualifications to be president. Supporters of Barack Obama insist that a story that first appeared on Johnson's blog--a report that Republican operatives have a tape of Michelle Obama making racially insenstive comments about caucasians--has been "refuted" Barack Obama's Fight the Smears website.[26]. However, Johnson never claimed to have the tape and reported that the Republican operatives controlling it intended to release the tape sometime after the Democratic Convention in August 2008. On October 21, however, he asserted that the operative in possession of the tape had been instructed by the McCain campaign not to release it.[27]
[edit]Notes
^ http://2008.weblogawards.org/polls/best-political-coverage/
^ Larry C. Johnson, "About Me," No Quarter (personal blog).
^ "Former CIA Official Larry Johnson Delivers Democratic Radio Address," transcript posted on official Democratic National Committee's website for The Democratic Party, July 23, 2005], accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Interview with Larry Johnson, confirmed by his supervisor
^ "Ex-CIA official Blasts Bush on Leak of Operative's Name: Democrats' Radio Address Focuses on White House Aides' Role," CNN July 23, 2005, accessed November 21, 2006.
^ Gail Russell Chaddock, "Why Terrorists Pick On the French," Christian Science Monitor (5 December 1996) p. 1.
^ Larry Johnson, "Terrorists Among Us," New York Times (20 August 1996) p. A19.
^ Terrorism Today
^ Lee Michael Katz, "The Hunt for Bin Laden," USA Today (21 August 1998) p. 1A.
^ See Transcript of original interview with Larry C. Johnson, as broadcast on Frontline in 1999. Cf. "Interview: Larry C. Johnson," for Hunting bin Laden, transcript of interview broadcast on Frontline subsequently on 13 April 2001. See also dedicated PBS webpages for media links: Iraq and the War on Terror, Frontline PBS, online featured programs, accessed 19 November 2006.
^ frontline: hunting bin laden: interviews: larry c. johnson | PBS
^ a b [1].
^ As posted in [2].
^ Gary Schmitt, [ 07/25/2005 "Meet Larry Johnson: The CIA official Turned Democratic Spokesman Has a Pre-9/11 Mindset," Daily Standard (blog), July 25, 2005, accessed November 20, 2006.
^ *Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," The New York Times 10 July 2001: A19.
^ Timothy Noah, "(Not Exactly a) Whopper of the Week: Larry C. Johnson," Chatterbox: Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics (blog), hosted by Slate September 21, 2001, accessed November 20, 2006. Note the full context of this quotation:
It is, to be sure, a little bit cheap (and slightly at odds with the usual parameters of this feature) to criticize someone for making an erroneous prediction, particularly after a tragedy. Chatterbox is especially reluctant to tag Johnson because Johnson's op-ed was argued forcefully, backed up meticulously with factual data, and bravely at odds with conventional wisdom at the time of its publication. Add in that Johnson now makes his living as a consultant to corporations about terrorism, and therefore had everything to gain by exaggerating the dangers terrorism poses, and the guy practically looks like a hero. Chatterbox, who two decades ago was an editor for the New York Times op-ed page, would have published Johnson's piece had he still been an editor there this past July. In his capacity at Slate, Chatterbox might well have written up Johnson's prediction, and perhaps even endorsed it.
But boy, is he glad he didn't! Johnson's analysis, we now see, was bold, persuasive, and 100 percent wrong. Sadly, a mistake this embarrassing cannot be ignored. As a fellow skeptic, Chatterbox in all sincerity wishes Johnson better luck next time.
^ Larry C. Johnson, "Johnson vs. President Bush," re-posted and updated by SusanHu at DailyKos (blog) July 25, 2005.
^ FOX News Interview with John Garrett (14 November 2001) Transcript #111405cb.260.
^ [3].
^ a b Larry C. Johnson, "Setting the Record Straight on Iraqi Terrorism," posted in Booman Tribune: A Progressive Community (personal blog) 27 January 2003. accessed 19 November 2006.
^ Qtd. in Toby Harnden, "CIA 'pressure' on al-Qa'eda chief," The London Telegraph 5 March 2003: 16.
^ Qtd. in Nicolas D. Kristof, "Save Our Spooks," The New York Times 30 May 2003:A6.
^ Democracy Now (3 October 2003)[4]
^ U.S. Senate, Democratic Policy Committee Meeting on the CIA Operative Leak, (24 October 2003).
^ Letter to the Senate.[Needs full source citation; see "References" section.]
^ Tumulty, Karen (2008-06-12). "Will Obama's Anti-Rumor Plan Work?", Time Magazine. Retrieved on 20 June 2008.:"a story that apparently first made a big splash on the Internet in late May in a post by pro-Hillary Clinton blogger Larry Johnson"
^ Whitey Tape, API, Phil Berg, and Andy MartinSee Authors Posts (1090) on August 26, 2008 at 10:08 PM in Current Affairs
After watching Hillary tonight I imagine the William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Reverend Michael Pfleger, Reverend James Meeks and Samantha Powers (ousted Obama advisor) wish they had backed her. This woman does not throw people under the bus. She is a person of integrity and sticks to her word. She sticks with people who, by their conduct, deserve to be abandoned. But she finds in herself the grace to forgive and look pass the sin. She promised to support the nominee, no ifs, ands, or buts. And she delivered. She gave Barack Obama everything he could want and much more than he deserves.
But it is not enough. She is right about the issues. But we now know we cannot trust Obama on the issues. He has no core. He has no foundation. He has no fundamental principle. He is a man of convenience and opportunity. He is an ideological chameleon and will glom on to people he thinks can help him get ahead. This does not make him a bad person. He’s just a typical Chicago pol.
What did you think?
Tune in to NoQuarter radio–DC Media Girl, Nocturnal Warrior, and Violet Socks. What a team!!
“No Way, No How, No McCain”
I LOVE YOU HILLARY!
You forgot…..NObama in NOvember!
I’ve heard that a lot about her having “class”. I disagree. She legitimized an election fraud designed to insure Karl Rove’s neocons would hold onto the White House. Remember, the only reason Obama became the presumptive nominee was because Sen. Clinton quit the race on June 4th (even though she promised her volunteers repeatedly that she wouldn’t), so now there was no one else running against him. Just like his 1995 state senate race. She knew better than to endorse a crooked, self-serving, slumlord-hugging politician whose presidential candidacy was the creation of the G.O.P. in the first place. No one deserves a pass for doing something like that.
oh please….this is NOT Hillary’s fault! Own your sh@@ty candidate!
What the hell are you talking about?????? Check out your facts.Its no wonder Oloser got as far as he did.
She did not quit! She suspended her campaign.
The liars and trouble makers on NQ now I know are mostly REPUBLICAN TRolls.
There are a lot of Hillary supporters here who
will never vote for Obama but who also will never support a republican so you trolls suck regardless. Get a life.
Now who’s drinking the Kool-Aid? I donated money to Clinton, volunteered making phone calls, blogged, wrote articles making her case, and have her sign under my bed (now headed for the recycling bin). But last night, she basically delivered the Obama talking point that those who reject him and the DNC election process are doing so because of some childish emotional tie to her. That’s insulting. Why didn’t she speak up for the thousands of voters who submitted complaints in the caucus states? Or for Florida and Michigan? No investigation of any of that. Just Clinton rewarding a bunch of misogynist, cutthroat jerks by handing over the nomination and kneecapping every attempt made by her supporters on her behalf. She said this election would have lasting consequences, then she punted. Thanks for the memories…
What did you expect? Her hands were tied. The Clintons did everything for the Party that really doesn’t deserve it. In other words, they went through the motions because they were already being set up by Donna Brazille and others to take the fall in case Mr. “it’s never my fault” Obama lost the general election. Damn, it gives new life to you’re damn if you do, you’re damn if you don’t. However, things turn out, Hillary will always be my hero, she is the best. Hard headed Obama, he didn’t have the guts to take her as his V.P. For that, in South Texas, we say “TONTO”.
I don’t disagree. She should have done a Lieberman. But she didn’t have the money.
She’s doing what she thinks is best in the long run. Time will tell what was right.
Good point. But even if she didn’t pull a Lieberman, she didn’t need to come out and tart stumping for Obama. She raised 5 million for him in a day. Imagine if she had challenged him. She should have taken her case to the credentials committee regarding FL and MI. She should have pushed for a floor fight instead of this lame coronation. Maybe she felt surrender was her only option. Regardless, it’s over now. She let him get away with this, and she’s covering for him now. On to November.
“Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie, Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie,“
Give Hillary a break, for chrisesakes! Not one of you above, whining about how Hllary didn’t do enough, has an ounce of her courage. You don’t know what she’s had to face, you can’t know the pressure she’s under.
I admire her loyalty to what she believes and, clearly, faced with two lousy candidates in the fall, she still believes that having a Democrat in the White House is better for the country. I’m not sure I agree with Hillary on this, but at least the extremely weak Obama’s power will most certainly be neutralized.
I agree - she should have stood by her convictions, it would have made her an even stronger candidate in the long run.
She let him get away with this? taking it to the credentials committee? LOL you mean the same people who rigged the RBC hearing? Are you serious?
She let him get away with this? taking it to the credentials committee? LOL you mean to the same people who rigged the RBC hearing? Are you serious?
This is a real ethical dilemma: short term versus long term, both are equal in value, it depends how you weigh each one of them.
I trust Hillary even if I don’t know her evaluation of the situation. Many people think having a democrat in the WH is the lesser evil.
I personally value a short term “bad” (McCain WH) is not as damaging in the long run as condoning a rigged election, allowing it to become standard procedure.
Just think: this is not rigging against another party, it’s going against your own. I have no words for my emotions today. I just try to reason and thus find solace that the pedulum will, eventually, turn into the oposite direction. Thank God for people like Heidi Li, Marc, Shtuey, Patsy, Larry, Susan and all those owning their votes, all those who speak up against this corrupt handling of the Primaries by the leaders of the Democratic Party..
The European tells more about your disagreement than the other topics of the convention. Not because they are ethical, of course, but it still serves to show that all is not well in Obamaland.
Today, on this sad day, I pay my tribute to all of you who oppose openly.
I trust Hillary, too. I think she way overdid the speach, especially the part about the spouses. It just seemed over the top. I think, in a sense, she knew that it didn’t matter what she said as long as she was being a “good little girl,” so she was really a “good little girl.” I did that kind of thing in elementary school when I wasn’t supposed to “act like a boy” on the playground. We all brought our dolls in and acted like “little good girls” until the teachers could tell we were mocking them.
She can’t help but be up on the blogs. She knows our minds. But she can’t be the one who blows the top off the caucus fraud, etc., because then she would be the harridan, whiner, sore loser. She knows it will come out.
I bet when she goes behind that curtain herself, she won’t vote for the Obaby.
Hell no. Leiberman has no hopes of ever running again for national office. She most certainly DOES.
Good Lord - What more do you want from the canddate that won the popular vote?
Hillary did everything right. This was a collective effort by party insiders to thwart the Clintons. The DNC stacked the deck with a few extra aces and held them all. And for what? To lose the White House in a year that should so easily be won? To force us to vote against a candidate instead of for one? It’s pitiful and criminal.
Historians will woner what we were thinking……
Agree with your excellent points.
To YRM
Hillary suspended her campaign because she ran out of money. Her debt still has not been paid.
What an embarrassment you people are. You’re almost as crazy as Scientologists.
Yeah and we vote so get the fuck out of here.
I love you, StrawberrybitesBarky!!!!!!!!
get going — love Hillary hate Obama.
McCain 08
I knew some Scientologists when I lived in L.A. They were perfectly sane. They never called me a racist. They never call women the C word.
Aw, c’mon, you’re being kinda hard on Scientologists, aren’t you?
Somebody said in a speech tonight that the 2008 election would return a party to the White House that believes in Scientology.
(I heard that on FOX.news, so it must be true.)
You misheard. It was Fox and Friends making fun of Mark Warner’s boring speech by spoofing Mystery Science Theater.
Then why are YOU here? We certainly don’t want you.
imustprotest, did you on CNN @8:45pst, Hillary Rosen say speaking about Hillary’s message
“you better get your act together and vote for John McCain!…..
It was one of those moments of cognitive disonance combined with suspension of disblief, rolled into a close encounter of the first kind.
Does anyone have the tools to scrape that off of CNN?
Mr Johnson, The RNC just spotted the 14th hole as a dog leg par five with all the free mullegans BO has to give…
What do you call a golfball with a smile in it?
A Barak.
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I saw that… I kept playing it over and over because I thought I heard her wrong. Very funny freudian slip…
It’s saved on my HDTV DVR, I guess I could burn it and upload it. If it doesn’t show up on youtube.
I too kept playing it over and over and waiting for someone to correct her. The talking heads really don’t listen! I’ve been checking YouTube, but, so far no post. And, surprisingly, very few reactions on the web. Beginning to think there are forces out there suppressing this unfortunate mistake.
WOW! An Obot gets the first response.
The details of the Bill Ayers connection are breaking and even MSNBC has to report on it. They’ll spin it so that you’ll think Ayers should be Director of Homeland Security but hey, with them it’s Obama all the time. Now, there’s another name, Khalid al Mansour, who pushed Harvard grads to write letters of endorsement for Obama, virtually guaranteeing him entry into Harvard. His history can best described as “interesting” with several videos of him on YouTube. What/Who is next?
Hillary is with Obama.
I’m with Hillary!
Support Hillary…
Support Obama!
hell no!
lol
F*$#! NO!
No Way, No How, NOBAMA!
I have said before that I cannot and will not support Obama.
One thing my relative, Adlai Stevenson, said to me when I met him, was always follow your conscience.
I will not be voting for Obama, who is as crooked as a corkscrew.
As an American it is my duty to vote. I will have to vote for the other guy.
Adlai Stevenson was a great American, and he gave you great advice. I will follow my conscience and vote for the patriot who loves this country and his wife who supports a foundation that helps children around the world.
Country above party and character above marketing; the DNC will pay for denying the American people a POTUS who would actually improve our lot. Remember in November the actions of the horsemen of the Democratic Party apocalypse (Dean, Brazile, Kennedy, and Kerry) and their evil henchmen (Axelrod and the MSM).
Vote your conscience and protect our country.
saslliort — Loved his slogan I’m madila for Adlai. He was a great American.
You’ve gotta be kidding! She NEVER endorsed B. Hussein Obama. She said, more or less, we’ve gotta vote for him because he is the Democratic nominee. She never said he had the character or experience to be the leader of this nation.
She just endorsed the Dem nominee; she did NOT endorse Barack Obama.
Hillary Clinton: “I am honoured to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.” QUOTE, UNQUOTE.
So what? No way, no how, NOBAMA!
No Damn Way. NoBama.
Don’t legitimize a thief.
Not my vote!
Oh brother … a Cheerleader troll! -eye roll-
Let me try…
*I’m for Hillary!
and ONLY..ONLY Hillary!
NO to Oblahma!
NO Way! No How! NObama!*
Yep, this cheer is much better!
here, even better:
I’m for Hillary!
But not for any of her beliefs, values, or principles!
We are absolutely for Hillary’s beliefs, values, and principles. It is Barack Obama who is not. Barack Obama believes in Barack Obama, and nothing more. He values only anyone and anything that will help him in his lust for power and position. He hasn’t yet met a principle or person he wouldn’t throw under the bus if it helps him get ahead.
I want to vomit forever every time I see a mindless Obamatron who couldn’t stop eviscerating Hillary 24/7 with the most horrific behavior during this alleged primary that I have ever seen in any election cycle - bar none - and now wants to “support” her and use her unwavering dedication to the Democratic Party to club us over the head. How fucking dare you?
You aren’t fit to speak her name. You know nothing about her beliefs, values and principles. You and your civics-ignorant mob couldn’t stop trashing her, her record, and all she stands for while you were busy circumventing democracy to steal the nomination for Obama. How dare you try to use Hillary to get our support for a man who isn’t fit to take out her trash, much less be POTUS? Crawl back in your hole, please. You wouldn’t know democracy, the Constitution, or a true patriot if they bit you on your despicable ass.
Stop acting like you are so principled and superior. Trust me. You are neither.
Larry, I agree with your sentiments.
I respect and adore Hillary. However, I can not condone what the DNC and team Obama have done this election cycle.
I will not cast a vote for Obama.
ditto
never
ever
ever
win without me
(chuckle)
the demon MO looked like a fright
So true about MO. Scowling, awful. She is just horrid. But what to do in November. McCain is so old and his platform sucks. But BO is NOT an option. No matter what my hero Hillary says.
if looks could kill, MEchelle would have given our Hillary a heartattack and aneurism along with a stroke all at the same time. Luckily, they can’t.
Mich-elle has such a mean-spirited, demonic countenance when she does not hear what she likes. Her face is like a book, her envy of Hillary is as thick as molasses. I’m beginning to think not just Obama, but also Mich-ele have psychological issues.
Yes, I’m sure the party will have her practicing her facial expressions in the mirror after tonight. I hope screengrabs of her looks are all over the news tomorrow.
Someone left a comment on another thread about MO that gave me chills. “She keeps pointing her finger, but they told her not to do that. She wants to, though. It’s ingrained in her. It’s who she is.”
Yes! Obama’s wife looks soooo scary!!!
“the demon MO looked like a fright”
So now you’re engaging in the same misogyny you accused Obama supporters of?
Nice.
Hillary is a class act, but some of her supporters seem to be a bunch of uneducated classless yahoos.
so sorry MO looked mad….I’d say that if she were a man too. That’s not sexist, she , as a person, looked mad.
You reap what you sow!
troll — thats because the nominee of the Democratic Party is the worst nominee in the history of this country.
It’s because MEchelle is everything the Repugs of the early 90’s accused Hillary of being when she wasn’t. She is a hideous troll with an ugly heart, and no prettified speech last night can wipe away many months of her slamming the Clintons/Hillary.
http://www.moonbattery.com/michelle_obama_scary.jpg
I watched part of Senator Clinton’s speech before she began Obama’s ad portion and the camera flitting to Mrs. Obama’s face showed that she looked ready to burst with repressed anger. You’ve heard the old “girls are make of sugar and spice” ditty; well tonight Michelle Obama showed that she’s made of pure hatred.
And they say Clinton supporters are “harridans”!
I love Hillary too but I love my Country more, I’ll vote McCain!
I Love Hillary too but i love my Country more, I”ll vote McCain!
BJ, is that you from kos? if it is get your ass outa here.
Hillary or McCain, 2008. NOBAMA ever
you love her,then nominate her.
good point. watching Hillary speak just reinforced the injustice that was done in the primaries. she is presidential.
for any justice to be achieved, the democratic leadership must be replaced.
Hey, just a quick note on HRc’s speech from one of your favorite local evil Obamabots. In short, I think it was a great speech from a remarkable human being, one that moved me literally to tears, and I think that you will now see a flood of Clinton supporters moving back into the Democratic column where all of us progressives so obviously belong. No sane progressive American can possibly cast a vote for a Republican in November 2008. Hillary’s message to you, all of you, could not possibly have been clearer: “nothing less than the future of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance.” Bravo, Senator. I am moved to tears again, just writing this, at the thought of what Hillary has done for the entire world tonight. She has proved her greatness and earned all of our undying loyalty for the remainder of her career — and bear in mind, she will be younger in 2016 than John McCain is today, and Joe Biden ain’t going to be running.
What you will do with this, you hardcore PUmAs, is obvious: you will ignore everything Hillary Clinton has ever stood for and keep working to elect John McCain. Whatever. Your numbers will now dwindle, thankfully; I will just say nobody who will cast that vote, or any vote other than Obama, this fall are not worthy of calling him or herself a Hillary Clinton supporter.
Hillary just confirmed, complimented our decision to go, to be about her candidacy. Couple that with the reason we are against BO; thin resume, longtime companions with the likes of Ayers, Wright, Iraqi infrastructure criminals, caucus intimidation, narcissistic cult-building, and on and on, and it leaves us RATIONAL THINKING PUMAs no choice but to praise Hillary and NOT vote for Barack America Hussein Soetoro Obama.
You left out Barry. LOL
After all the harassment we’ve taken, do you actually think we care what you think or will unite behind an inexperienced person who is racist and sexist?
The Obama new Democratic Party is not the Democratic Party many of us joined to fight for equality for all. We fought the radical right against racism and sexist. We are not about to accept it from the new Democratic Party. Obama’s version of “progressive” means discriminating against individuals based on race, sex or age; count me and millions of others out.
Country before voting for a racist and sexist political party.
As I said above, I’m aware that none of you will change your minds. Hillary disowned you tonight, and she spoke from the heart and through Obama, she will prevail; as I said above, with tonight’s speech she has made herself the next Democratic nominee after Obama; in fact, her throwing of her support behind Obama was so passionate and articulate and spoken with such conviction that I now believe that she believes that she is more likely to become president in 2016 than in 2012. She did it tonight, man, she did it all. And the Big Dog will do it tomorrow night, and Obama will be worthy of their words on thursday, and the Democratic Party will emerge from this convention energized and united in our determination to defeat the Republicans, meaning you.
“Clintons for McCain, sweetie, Clintons for McCain, sweetie,“
Actually, Hillary has raised the bar so high for Barky, tat he will never be able to hurdle it. He will fall flat on his face and appear even more inept and incompetant. If you think Hillary did barky any favours tonight or that Bill will tomorrow, than you are stupider than we thought. Middle America will just wish for the good old days when Bill and Hill were in the White House and the republicans will remind them whole squashed that dream. Barky and the DNC! Booya!
Ah, but don’t forget …
Barky is going to be speaking Thursday night from inside a FAKE GREEK TEMPLE. That just makes me want to howl at the moon, it is so funny.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/mccain-jabs-oba.html
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton was presidential throughout her campaign, but most especially last night. I agree with her that we can’t accept another Republican administration. Remember, since Ronald Reagan was elected, with the backing of GE (parent company of MSNBC) and other corporate monsters, that we have had 20 years of the same conservatives in charge of our country. (And even holdovers, like Cheney from the Nixon administration.) Look at how they have stripped away our New Deal mixed economy for the benefit of the veddy, veddy, veddy filthy rich. How can we not suspect that some of this divisiveness is not the work of arch-conservatives, spewed by MSNBC and Fox News, like Karl Rove and his henchmen???? They want another Republican in the White House even if it is a pseudo-maverick like Sen. John McCain. If Governor Mitt Romney becomes vice president they will be ecstatic.
Let’s all ask for Providence to bless the DNC convention.
Maybe we’ll witness a miracle and the delegates from Michigan and Florida will put Hillary over the top during the roll call!
Actually, for once I agree with much of what you say SFHillary. And I am quite glad to hear that you are staring to appreciate Senator Clinton, even if you are a bit slow on the uptake. The truth is, if she had continued to fight the tidal wave the DNC has created for Obama her career would have been finished. She did not have the money or support (within the party) to continue her fight, so she did what was required to come back and fight another day.
The part I did not hear Senator Clinton (or anyone else) discuss, however, is what exactly is the plan to counter the myriad of problems that are about to come cascading down around the new Nominee’s head. After tonight, he has lost the shield of (the threat of) Clinton becoming the nominee or V.P. and the Republicans will be coming at him full force. The DNC and Obama have both shown themselves to be weak at combatting the arguments and accusations thrown out here at No Quarter and other web sites. There has been no forceful denial from the Obama campaign, and no proof offered to counter even the simplest of charges to deny (birth certificate, natural born citizen). Obama has proven himself to be an inadequate speaker when it comes to handling the few serious questions he has encountered from the MSM. I simply do not understand the game plan here. James Carville, discussing the theme of the convention, called it the best kept secret in the world, if there is one. I would have to say that title truly belongs to the strategy to fight the Republicans.
I personally do not like John McCain (although I abhor the Obama supporters who question his patriotism and suggest he was a coward or traitor while held prisoner in Viet Nam). But now I have a bigger quandry; who can I possibly vote for that has a chance of winning against him? Answer: No one. You (and your fellow New Democrats) took that choice away from me. So now I am faced with 4 more years of Republican rule, and have no one to blame for it but the Democrats (again). So I need to look at this from the perspective of who shall be rewarded with my vote. The people who have destroyed the first chance of getting out from Republican rule since Bill Clinton (they offered me Gore, Dean, Kerry - come on!) and who refused to impeach George W. Bush or extract this country from an illegal war (and before you throw out the Hillary voted for the war argument, go here: http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html and read exactly what she said when she voted) despite an overwhelming mandate from the people in 2006. Nope. Sorry. No can do. I consider it my patriotic duty to remove every Democrat (and Republican) from office that supported this fiasco. So not only won’t I be voting for Obama in November, but don’t look for me to vote for any Democrats for quite some time to come. If there’s a local or state candidate running that I support, I will be voting for them on the Liberal line (or Green wherever possible). If they’re not running on another line, they’ve lost my vote.
My deepest regret is that I don’t live in San Francisco myself so that I could start by kicking Speaker Pelosi out of office.
How dare you say that Hillary disowned us? Geez, you don’t know very much about her, do you? Been drinking too much of the koolaid! By the way, Barry is now behind in the polls for the very first time after picking Biden! You can’t imagine how HAPPY that makes me!
Don’t forget homophobic. Obama is obviously self-hating, with the MANY slights he’s made against the gay community.
I agree — and notice how Hillary ALWAYS mentions gay rights. She’s been the ONLY candidate not afraid to declare her support for the gay community.
sfhillary — you are so transparent. First you hate Hillary to get her supporters to go for Obama then you love Hillary to get her supporters to vote for Obama. It doesn’t fly. Not interested Obama nor in you.
“It” keeps forgetting if he’s the good cop or the bad cop.
Favorite? Who says we like any of them?
Stop the preaching!
Hillary’s speech tonight only pointed out this a tragedy rather than a farce.
PUMA!
Your numbers will now dwindle, thankfully; I will just say nobody who will cast that vote, or any vote other than Obama, this fall are not worthy of calling him or herself a Hillary Clinton supporter.
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
Excuse me, but please define,”beatings.” Does this mean Clinton supporters will continue to be verbally abused and or have tires slashed etc. until they are beaten into submission? If so, morale will improve and reinforce a revolt against the Democratic Party leadership and strengthen the resolve of many of us to vote against Obama. Perhapse you did not get the memo. Obama supporters were supposed to make nice with Clinton supporters in order to get our votes. Actually, since Donna told us we were not needed, I do not see the urgency for all the angst to get us to convert. Your messiah just needs to stop lolling on Hawaiian beaches and cavorting on golf courses. Perhaps then he might actually show that he can campaign for hinself with the aid of his VP choice and let Hillary have a vacation. He’s already had two, one of which was while she was campaigning for him. Then she can get back to the Senate and continue working for the causes in which we believe like fighting against Fisa.
sfhillary -
You are a piece of …”work”. Last time I checked every American has the right to vote his/her own conscience as to whom he/she believes would be the best leader for our country.
Hillary has the right to say who she supports and I have the right to disagree. Hillary would be the first to agree.
GET OVER IT - JUST LIKE YOU’LL HAVE TO GET OVER OBAMA BIN BIDEN’S LOSS IN NOVEMBER. IS THAT WHY YOU WERE CRYING?
“My Way! And How! NoBama.
NO way, No How, NoBama!
Actually its better as:
No Way, No How, NObama.
The DNC threw away the very best of the best HILLARY…they are left with nothing but an empty suit married to an empty dress.
MCain 2008 Hillary 2012
Oh, Michelle’s dress is anything but empty. Baby got back!
Junk in the trunk!!! LOL!!!
That is one major fat azz.
Where AT(backs)??? I hope that was JOKE!!!!! Her dress looked real SOGGY(didn’t FIT)!!!!
Commenting about the size of the woman’s butt. Yup, no mysogyny on this thread!
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can’t deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
‘Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she’s wearing
I’m hooked and I can’t stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get with you
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny
Ooh, Rump-o’-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
‘Cause you ain’t that average groupie
I’ve seen them dancin’
To hell with romancin’
She’s sweat, wet,
Got it goin’ like a turbo ‘Vette
I’m tired of magazines
Sayin’ flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell ‘em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!
(LA face with Oakland booty)
Baby got back!
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Thanks for making my point!
I watched her speech on FOX, and some of the pundits were saying that they wondered if some of the delegates gathered were having remorse about Hillary not being the nominee, thinking “What if?”
God, this speech only made me miss Hillary more. The campaign is not the same without her.
Bill tearing up made my own eyes watery!
I listened to Hillary and felt so sick to my stomach that we are stuck with BHO. She is so far superior and so outclasses him it isn’t even funny. And she is brilliant. She said all the right things, but managed to do it in such a way that her endorsement was more of the Democrats than the loser Obama. His selfish, sorry, egotistical ass is gonna cost the Dems this election.
Greta is breaking news about Ayers and Obama….the Annenberg Challenge. Obama was the chair, and Ayers was in another position of authority. Stanley Kurtz of the National Review proves that Obama is a liar (yeah, we knew that) with regard to his relationship to Ayers, and that in no way was he just a guy in the neighborhood. So Obama has not been honest with people about his relationship with the founder of the Weather Underground, the domestic TERRORISTS. Ayers and Obama were in the Annenberg Challenge (by the way, a total failure) working closely together, so he is a an out and out liar.
this thing is going to explode and explode big.
rw,
Do you mean IMPLODE?
american sawbuck — actually Michelle’s dress is quite full–especially in the back.
Wow! She brought home to all the people in the hall that they voted for the wrong person. I had goose bumps throughout her speech.
I agree 110% — she was awesome. She portrayed a real President of the United States — not some fake, corrupt fraud of a candidate. She said what she had to in order to please the DNC, but it was obvious that they had selected the wrong person. They handpicked some mediocre, unvetted man over a highly exceptional woman. What a mistake — wonder if they are crying now? If not Hillary, I will vote McCain. She did say that he was her “friend” right, so he can’t be all bad! Plus Obama obviously chose the wrong person for vp — my goodness, what is wrong with these people. Hillary outshines them all!!
I totally agree with you Carol. I cried and I laughed and I grimaced everytime she mentioned Obama’s name. She proved tonight that she is the one who should get the nomination. Crazier things have happened.
BTW, she never convinced me that I should vote for Obama, nor will I.
She mentioned equal pay for women:
backtrack pays his female campaign workers less the the male workers.
McCain pays his female campaign workers equal or more than the male workers.
She mentioned help for veterans:
backtrack cannot even take the time to visit the wounded veterans without press coverage.
McCain visits veterans often and quietly.
She mentioned the energy problem:
backtrack voted for chaney’s energy bill.
McCain and Hillary did not.
I know she has to speak for a democratic candidate but backtrack failed every test.
If not Hillary then it has to be McCain for the good of the country.
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY ALWAYS
PUMAS,BUBBAS,THOSE PEOPLE AND HILLARY’S HARRIDANS RULE
Tell it! My president just spoke tonight. To hell with formalities like elections. LOL.
Hillary proved to the DNC that they made a huge mistake in who they chose as their nominee. Good for her. She also reinforced my deep respect for her and that she should have at the very least been selected as VP. It makes Obama look like a moron.
But what I found equally moving was the interview with the Clinton delegate right after Hillary’s speech. I was surprised that CNN talked to her for so long but she was passionalte and essentially voiced exactly how I feel. As a delegate, she is voting for Hillary.
She really did. it was very sad. I have never felt this awful about an election before. And believe me I was so sick both times GW got it.
Hillary 2012
Seconded
never satisfied, are you?
so bitter.
Bitter… that is such an inappropriate and clueless word to use.
Yeah, irrational would have been a better word.
I’d go with “blindered”.
I’d go with wiser and smarter.
Bitter-would that be the word your prophet handed down to you - your mantra?????? because when i hear that word it only reminds me how out of touch obama is to rea americans
not as bitter as Mich-ele. diabla in yellow.
Yellow…canary in a coalmine?
Hillary is my Hero!
Once again Barack Obama showed what poor judgment he has by not choosing her as his VP. If she’s not good enough to be his VP then he’s not good enough to get my vote.
Man…. were you actually listening to what she said? McCain is against everything Hillary believes in. If you vote for McCain you are being childish. Listen to what she said…. were you in this just for Hillary or because you actually believe in the issues?
I make up my own mind. NO ONE tells me how I should vote or who I should vote for. This is still the United States of America and I can vote for who I want. And it is NOT Obama. Get over it!!!!
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In other words, NYHD, he’s in it just for Hillary.
Just as YOU and all Obamabots are in it for Your Messiah. Get a fucking grip.
You are praising Hillary for propping up your fucking phoney Messiah. Idiots!
Did you ever consider that Obama is so undesirable that he repels Hillary voters?
Hillary loves her country…not so sure about Mr. and Mrs. Obama.
After all, they are black, right? Not part of “us”.
Yes, I certainly did listen to what Hillary said but I think you need to realize that she didn’t have a choice. Now I have a question for you, NYHD. Do you really believe Oblahma can live up to her hopes for the Dem party? If you believe that then you haven’t been doing your homework. There is NO WAY I’ll ever vote for Obambi.
McCain 2008
NYHD — McCain and Hillary might not agree on issues but they both love this country–Obama not so much.
But Obama is like JK Rowlings character Prof. Gilderoy Lockhart the wizard who was all talk and no action - he just wrote books. That is all Obama is and has demonstrated. It is better to go is some direction than hem and haw and never decide, never put forth a program - that is Obama Il legacy. The only legislation he did front to back is gerrymandering his own district boundaries. That is why he never allowed his IL senate records to be released.
And if memory serves, wasn’t Lockhart manipulated by the evil Lord Voldemort in an attempt to take over the world?
I’m just sayin…
She basically outlined her agenda and gave it to Obama as a challenge to fulfill as President. Will he take that challenge? I doubt it cause his agenda is to the right of hers.
No way, No How, NoBama!
If you vote for McCain you are being childish.
The insults will continue until Unity is achieved!
I’m sorry but I’m confused. Sen. Obama, his cohorts and his supporters all insisted during the primaries that they didn’t need Hillary voters; particularly not her blue collar, white voters as they were putting together their own coalition of Independents , newly registered voters and would have the votes of all of the AA’s. Obama supporters have been heaping scorn, derision and hate on Hillary & Bill Clinton and on Hillary’s supporters for months now but suddenly you seem to think we should vote for your hero for the ‘good of the party.’ You all said you didn’t need us so why are you bothering us????
Also, given that Obama recently voted For FISA, has backtracked on his pledge to get All of our people out of Iraq by the end of 2009, now wants to redeploy troops to Afganistan, backtracked on the right of women to make decisions regarding abortions, has all but ignored gays and has now decided that providing federal dollars to religious groups is a Fine idea, and has voted for Every spending bill requested by Bush to continue the Iraq war, exactly how are his positions any different than John McCain’s??
We don’t have a clue as to what an Obama presidency would look like. He copied Every single one of Clinton’s positions during the primaries and is now basically doing the same with McCain. Now he feels it so necessary to cover up his lack of experience in foreign affairs that he’s playing the same ‘tough guy’ routine as Bush and McCain. When you don’t know a ‘feller’ very well to begin with, it sure doesn’t help any when he changes his positions as often as he changes his clothes. I don’t see how Anyone can make the statement that Obama’s positions are the same as Hillary Clinton’s - he ‘borrowed’ her positions during the primaries and has now backtracked on just about every single one of them.
We don’t even need to ‘go into’ his clear lack of judgment in associating himself with Rev. Wright, William Ayes, et. al. And obviously, he doesn’t have nearly as much self-confidence as his arrogant smirks would seem to suggest or HE would have put party over personal angst and at least Offered Hillary the VP position. So much for being a ‘uniter.’ As for being the ‘agent of change,’ he picked The most established insider there is in the person of Joe Biden. HMMMMMMMMMMMM acts more and more like a politician who will do or say anything to get elected - isn’t that what he repeatedly stated about Hillary Clinton??
I have been a proud Liberal Democrat since the early 1960’s but even I can’t vote for Obama Just because he’s the Democratic candidate. Nothing is Ever Obama’s fault and he displays a complete ignorance of foreign policy. Oh, did I mention that he seems to be on the cusp of sword rattling vis-a-vis Iraq?? But I’m supposed to ‘trust’ that Obama will do better with foreign policy than McCain would and that he will somehow not only know what to do to fix the economy but will ‘reach across the aisle’ to get his policies passed through Congress even though there’s NO evidence that the man has the ability to reach across the aisle to accomplish Anything. The man is simply not ‘ready for prime time’ and should have got some seasoning under his belt before running for the Presidency but he was So cock-sure of himself and of his powers of persuasion that he let his ego get the best of him and now we’re ALL going to pay the price.
I am SO ticked off that after 8 years of that miserable Bush, and with the office of the Presidency ripe for the Democratic Party’s pickings, the DNC elected to ‘annoint’ the weakest, least experienced candidate in the bunch. He’s a blank slate that the Republicans are and will have a field day making their marks on. Now that Obama is sinking in the polls, he and his supporters expect Hillary and her supporters to save his sorry butt for him. Hillary really has no choice but her supporters do. IF Obama does pull this off, it will be due in no small measure to the very people he flicked off his shoulders and played the race card with every time it suited his purposes - Hillary and Bill Clinton.
I’m so DAMN frustrated this election year I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Watching Hillary tonight, I did both.
Over and Out.
Oh, did I mention that he seems to be on the cusp of sword rattling vis-a-vis Iraq??
Sorry about that, I meant to say ’sword rattling vis-a-vis Iran.
Well said Frenchman!!
You brought a lot of good points, here’s the one that stood out:
Now that Obama is sinking in the polls, he and his supporters expect Hillary and her supporters to save his sorry butt for him
- Exactly! They called us crazy, bitter,etc, and they think we will save the day and vote for Soetoro?
NOT going to happen.
You Obamatrons are just WORRIED — as well you should be — because Hillary supporters have not blindly “fallen in line” with the DNCs “chosen one.” Now you are BEHIND in the polls for the first time because when your shining star picked BIDEN as VP, all of the Clinton supporters who had not done so already went flooding over to McCain. And, for once, WORDS are not enough — not yours, not Obambi’s, not even our beloved Hillary’s. WORDS are empty now. It’s too late. When you Obama supporters could have been gracious and respectful of Hillary and her supporters — when Obambi could have done the same — there were no WORDS. And now any WORDS you utter won’t save you.
Every time the cameras cut to Bill Clinton… it became ever more clear why Obama couldn’t choose her as a running mate.
I happen to think Bill was the big bag of sand that kept Hillary from gaining a majority of the delegates in the first place.
She raised the roof tonight, though. Unforgettable speech.
Man the trolls are out tonight!!!!
HRC must have hit a grand slam
silly bots. take your meds and chill, she’s no longer in the competition fools. you wanted to win with out her and us, well then go ahead!
hahahahahahahahahahaha
So true, Dr. Kate. If I were really confident about my nominee, I’d don’t think I’d spend the second night of his convention trolling the “loser’s” web sites antagonizing her supporters.
I’d probably be celebrating or sleeping or spending time with someone I love. But the Obots need to get on line and annoy, because they’re so damn worried about their false messiah sinking like a stone in the polls.
No. We come and annoy because you maniacs deserve it.
Oh the wailing! Oh the gnashing of teeth!
Even if Obama loses in November, it was worth it for the hours of entertainment provided by you lot.
whatever rocks your clock undercover man
So you’re both the good cop AND the bad cop in the same thread? You might be even dumber than BO. Congrats.
“I happen to think Bill was the big bag of sand that kept Hillary from gaining a majority of the delegates in the first place.”
that’s a media talking point. the reason lies with others.
Eff a talking point, my friend. I’m talking about my own thought processes during the primaries.
Old dude is a stone narcissist. And he gives me the willies.
Thankfully, Hillary is more loyal to her party than Bill is to his marriage.
Did you notice, by the way, when she introduced herself as a “proud mother,” “proud Senator,” “proud Democrat,” “proud supporter of Barack Obama”? What was missing?
“Proud wife.” Womp womp.
“Old dude is a stone narcissist. And he gives me the willies.”
this line is just as applicable to Obama. but that’s where the similarity ends. Bill has the intellect and political acumen unrivaled by any politician of today.
Obama and his boys failed the most fundamental rule of politics: keep your friends close but your enemies closer.
Hey Idiot, if Hillary would have started down that road of ‘wife’ where would she stop. Housewife, cook, gardener. Talk about derailing the moment.
But she also only mentioned supporting BO because he is a democrat, NOT because he had character and experience to be President.
Choose your sarcasm carefully because it will bite you in the ass.
I hadn’t noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out!
undercover black man — The Clintons are the real stars of this Convention. Next to them Obama is a nobody. The bag of sand is Michelle. Is there anyone who would want to see this witch as first lady?
It is evident that Bill is still Big Dog whereas Obama is just a dog!
No Way, No How, NoBama!
So true, sonosandy. Everytime the camera went to Biden and back to Hillary, it was so clear how petty Obama really is. She was absolutely incredible and that speech should make it clear to everyone what the DNC has thrown away.
They didn’t throw Hillary away. They tossed us out like pieces of trash. Didn’t even attempt recycling, either.
“No Way, No How, No McCain”
Awesome speech! She hit it out of the park!
NObama.
Awesome speech, but only drove home how the DNC made the wrong choice! NO OBAMA!
My Way. And How. Nobama!
Just maybe the Democrats hate this country.
They are going to stick the combination of
Bush and Nixon on this country. Very telling
of who they are. Ted Kennedy will rot in hell
for his part in this farce among other things.
Spoken like a true Republican. 4 More Wars!!!
You know, I used to think calling someone a republican was a bad thing…now I think the “new” democrats are right up there with them….maybe worse…thugs cheating, intimidating caucus goers….disenfranchising MI and FL and then stealing the delgates at a “rules” and by laws meeting….RBC meeting 5-31-08 the day democracy died…RIP
Neo-Dems = neo-liberals = the flip side of the fascist neo-con coin.
Trixta shoots and scores!
Oh yeah! McCain 08′! He totally respects women! Even though he called his wife a cunt, made a joke about rape, and offered his wife up for a topless beauty contest, he’s not a sexist like NObama!
Hillary is POTUS……but because the stupid heads I’m voting McCain
Hillary 12
McCain calling Cindy such horrible names is
a rumor from the dailykos hate site.
Just like the “joke” McCain told at a fundraiser: Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Punchline: Because her dad is Janet Reno.
Yeah he’s all class. I am sure he didn’t call his wife a cunt even though a bunch of reporters where there and have independent recollection of it. Too bad the tape wasn’t rolling.
Is that all you’ve got. barky kills babies. barky voted for FISA. barky voted for Chaney’s energy bill. barky is an ass.
McCain kills LIVE civilians in IRAQ and will likely kill more in IRAN.
Obama/Biden 08
It’s really hard to kill dead civilians.
McCain has a vested interest in a success in Iraq. His son is over there.
who is this “barky” you are referring to? Bob Barr?
put your thinking cap on little troll.
It’s not a rumor.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html
http://wonkette.com/376849/mccain-called-his-wife-c-word
http://feministing.com/archives/008959.html
The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter at Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Real-McCain-Conservatives-Independents-Shouldnt/dp/0979482291/
Since when do reporters speak on the condition of anonymity? If that had happened in front of three reporters, they’d be all over it.
I got 99 problems, but Barack ain’t one.
“Since when do reporters speak on the condition of anonymity?”
good one.
Yep, That is a negative on the Pro/Con chart for McCain.
But comapre it to the negatives on Obarky Ibama Soetoro and it becomes downright mild. Just a normal bad moment that all humans have.
Now if McCain was doing it on a weekly basis for 20 years, you might have a stronger point.
At this point, McCain could strangle a child to death on live television, and the No Quarter dinosaurs would still wave their little NOBAMA signs and throw their little tantrums. (Of course, what McCain wants to do in Iraq and Iran is actually worse than that.) They’re beyond reason, GetOverIt.
You’re right! Obama is worse. He’s a narcissist and a misogynist pig. He also is a know nothing empty suit.
I agree-Obama is an ass and that little troll of his posting above makes waiting for November 4th to vote for McCain soooo hard.
McCain ‘08 - Hillary 2012
Go Hillary~
You left out when McCain said Chelsea was ugly because Janet Reno is her father.
If anyone here votes for McCain over Obama, they are insulting Hillary in the worst way imaginable.
They are rewarding John McCain’s misogyny and open, sexist hatred for Hillary and Chelsea.
I’m voting for Mccain. I love Hillary but I am not a robot like you obots!
I’ll still be voting McCain also. Nothing they say will change my mind. Especially a story out by three anonymous people. That’s like my friend who has a friend who has a friend. Plus look how far back they have to dig, that’s the best they can do? 10 and 16 years ago? I’m not the same person I was 10 years ago. Nor am I the same person I was 16 years ago. I voted Democrat back then.
I’ll still be voting McCain also. Nothing they say will change my mind. Especially a story out by three anonymous people. That’s like my friend who has a friend who has a friend. Plus look how far back they have to dig, that’s the best they can do? 10 and 16 years ago? I’m not the same person I was 10 years ago. Nor am I the same person I was 16 years ago. To begin with I voted Democrat back then.
Is that all you’ve got. barky kills babies. barky voted for FISA. barky voted for Chaney’s energy bill. barky is an ass.
Then why are McCain and Hillary friends?
I guess that’s why she STILL calls him, her FRIEND!!!!! NObama08
Yeah, and anyone who laughed at Will Ferrell’s portrayal of Janet Reno is also a fucking hypocrite. Janet Reno. Portrayed by a MAN. And Janet Reno herself didn’t care/appeared on the show/loved it.
So go Cheney yourselves, Obamatrons.
I’m glad to see no one on this blog has changed their minds. I’ve run across one person on these blogs that changed to support Barry, but they will probably flip flop again before election day.
Where did all these trolls come from?
You know, if those were not outright lies, you may be able to sway people.
I want proof that McCain called his wife that name. I’ve seen nothing but rumors with no source at all.
barack likes for michelle to dress like a dominatrix and call him her “slave boy” while she spanks him with a leather whip.
Show me YOUR source and I’ll show you MINE.
barack likes for michelle to dress like a dominatrix and call him her “slave boy” while she spanks him with a leather whip.
No racism to see here. No sir. Move along…
Now only AA play sex games? Too bad that couldn’t be the furthest thing from the truth Eh? Please enlighten us and tell us all how you came to the conclusion that sex games are not only enjoyed by AA’s, but that it is racism? I’m waiting with bated breath.
Don’t you know by now that everything is a racist comment to a Black person?
It must be in their genes. When the inner ear converts the mechanical vibration into an electrical signal everthing is translated into racism.
A barking dog sounds like a racist to a Black person. That’s why they like to fight dogs. Blacks think dogs are racist so they have no guilt about abusing them.
This one should be pulled by the admins I think.
Duhhh… hello? “Slave boy”?
WTF??
Get over it, really.
Undercover -
Go to this Sex Slave Store for Salve Boys and Slave Girls, and get back to me when you find the Racism.
http://www.bdsmstore.com
And thanks for proving my point about your genetic hearing problem.
You make it so easy so see where the stereoypes about Blacks come from.
I am soooo over the race card…yawn.
Me too. This year I finally decided I can’t be bothered to give a flying duck what professionally-offended characters like UBM think or say.
Never heard of a sex slave?
One of McCain’s supporter called Hillary a bitch and McCain just laughed. He lost my respect on that.
I don’t think that is exactly accurate, in fact he followed it up by saying “I respect Senator Clinton”. The truth is McCain and Clinton respect each other and are friends (regardless of what she was required to say tonight). He was caught off guard and didnt respond right away. I think Hillary should choose country over party and if she believes all the things she said about Barry during the election then she should sit this one out. The Clintons are big enough to survive the fall out.
I saw that clip too and McCain was clearly uncomfortable with the comment. He didn’t condone it at all. No, he didn’t chastise the woman who made it, that wouldn’t have been appropriate under the circumstances…..he kinda let it hang there at first…she looked like a chump for saying it.
Obots have called Hillary much worse and yet you are here pointing the finger at McCain ??
This must be what Barry referred to as *silly season*…
see above…
Three reporters from Arizona, on the condition of anonymity, also let me in on another incident involving McCain’s intemperateness. In his 1992 Senate bid, McCain was joined on the campaign trail by his wife, Cindy, as well as campaign aide Doug Cole and consultant Wes Gullett. At one point, Cindy playfully twirled McCain’s hair and said, “You’re getting a little thin up there.” McCain’s face reddened, and he responded, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt.” McCain’s excuse was that it had been a long day. If elected president of the United States, McCain would have many long days.
Source: “The Real McCain” by Cliff Schecter
Barack likes Michelle to gress like her brother and bounce a basketball off his little head.
Barack likes Michelle to dress like her brother and bounce a basketball off his little head.
noah — fact is Cindy McCain is rich, beautiful and kind. She is in the Soviet Republic of Georgia trying to get aid to those who need it. When has Michelle ever done anything for anyone?
You Ozombies keep on repeating this with so much relish! I guess you just like saying the C word any chance you get. This says so much more about you and your misogyny than so called McCain’s.
I think nothing would be good enough for you lot. This became less about Hillary and more about your own pathetic narcissism a long time ago.
She knocked it out of the park and you didn’t hear a word of it.
I heard every word, and not one of them told me why Obama is qualified to lead this country. God bless Hilary Clinton, but her speech changes nothing about Obama.
Hillary said one sentence that stood out to me. McCain is my friend. Did you hear her refer to Obama as her colleague and her friend?
Bill’s giving examples of Mr X and Mr Y. He was talking about Obama and McCain even though he said he wasn’t talking about now. McCain being the better choice.
Michelle lost the sparkle she had last night. Big time. Anyone watching could see her seething. Looking like she was ready to jump out of her seat and attack Hillary…she hates both Hillary and Bill. Bill better watch it when he gives his speech, she may actually try to scratch his eyes out, like she said she wanted to.
douglas — face it — we don’t like Obama. I don’t care if Mother Theresa came down from Heaven I will never vote for him. I will vote Republican for the first time in my life to vote against him. Have you got it yet? We don’t like him.
LET’S GET ONE THING STRAIGHT “DOUGLAS” & OBAMABOTS:
Hillary was by far the strongest Democratic candidate…embarrasingly so. She won more votes that Barack Hussein Obama and more votes than any other primary candidate in the history of our nation.
I supported Hillary to the maximum degree, both financially and in my actions for her candidacy. I am proud of the campaign she ran and even more proud of the lifetime work and committment she has given in service to our country.
HILLARY CLINTON was my preferred Presidential candidate…
SHE IS NOT A GOD,
SHE IS NOT MY EMPEROR;
SHE IS NOT MY PUPPETEER
SHE IS NOT MY CULT LEADER.
Hillary has the right as a Presidential Candidate and American citizen to state her beliefs and I have the right as an American citizen (with a legit birth certificate to prove it) to disagree and vote and voice MY Presidential preference.
The freedom to make up my own mind based upon my own thought process and conscience is my right under United States LAW. This is exactly WHY Hillary is NOT responsible for the choices of her 18 million prior votes. FREEDOM OF CHOICE.
Hillary would be the first American in line to support every fellow American’s right to vote their own conscience…and to state that every one of those votes SHOULD COUNT.
I am a TRUE American citizen and the welfare of my COUNTRY comes before PARTY loyalty or loyalty to ANY candidate, even Hillary.
NO ONE OWNS MY VOTE BUT ME… AND MY VOTE WILL BE FOR JOHN MCCAIN.
Correction:
“…this is exactly why Hillary is NOT responsible for the choices of her 18 million prior VOTERS. FREEDOM OF CHOICE.”
Are Brits now eligible to vote in a US elections?
Why are you even here?
That’s our girl. She made us proud every step of the way and she always, always, always will.
And ya know what, Hillary DID rise. She rose to every single occasion no matter how hard and yep, she did it with sheer class.
Hillary was brilliant, and she virtually saved this horrible, wretched, painfully boring convention from being a complete debacle for Bammy.
She showed why she was the best candidate for the job.
That said, I can’t wait to vote for McCain in November.
McCain ‘08.
Hillary ‘12.
I like your thinking…
right on! How many more will die during that time? Oh well, can’t wait for 2012, right???!!
You get over it. I supported Hillary and worked on her campaign but she is not the nominee and I will not vote for Obama. In fact I changed parties so idiots like you can’t tell me to support the Democratic nominee.
“Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie, Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie.“
right on! How many more will die during that time? Oh well, who cares? We don’t! Can’t wait for 2012, am I right???!!
“Don’t be an Obama New Democrat
Vote Against Obama.”
Hillary was awesome and she will be a great president!! When Olbermann and Maddow say she hit it out of the park, she did exactly what she HAD to do!! Great job Hillary!!
McCain 08
Hillary 2012
Probably the only decent comments the two have had about her the entire campaign.
She reminded me why she’s STILL the best candidate for the job. She earn my respect because not once she lied and said Obama would make a good CIC, or that he was ready to lead. I love her for that
I notice Michelle had to force herself to applause. And she did not even applause when Hillary mentioned women’s rights. All Michelle cares about is herself and her social mobility. And notice that Hillary congratulated her. How does Michelle feel now after she ridiculed Hillary about “her own house?” Will Michelle apologize, or does she believe Hillary should “give her something?”
I can’t (and won’t) forget or forgive that comment about “her house”.
I thought Hillary was great but I still can’t (and won’t) support Obama, or the Dems at this stage. This just made it all that much clearer again like a sad reminder of what should have could have been.
NObama!
Michelle Obama reminds me of those
who would do harm to America.
McCain 08′!
You are brazenly lying. Michelle was interviewed by PBS right before Senator CLinton’s marvelous speech and she was very gracious and complimentary toward the Senator. She said she and Hillary have talked several times and that Hill has given her advice. This place is officially run by oozing, sniveling republicans EXPLOITING Hillary for their own gain.
Obama/Biden 08
Michelle’s body language tonight was clear- she hates Hillary and is intimidated by her poise, competence, and leadership. She looked like she was going to puke on several occasions. Michelle is an angry and bitter social climbing fraud who takes her children to a church where the preacher says to “damn America”. Great role model that michelle obama. She will make one hell of a first lady-NOT
Yeah, Mrs. Clinton reached out to Michelle first after Michelle’s speech on Monday night. HRC’s also been more gracious.
First of all, Michelle was NOT talking about Hillary when she made the ‘take care of your own house’ remark…she was talking in generalities. there was NOTHING in the context of her statement that even remotely indicated she was talking about Hillary. You Obama haters just have to find something to attack the Obamas on. You are really pathetic….and racist to boot, no one makes comments like you all have about Michelle Obama’s face and expressions if they are not disgusting racists. She is more attractive than Hillary any day….and I like Hillary, but I am voting for Obama.
I never liked Nancy Reagan’s face or her expressions. Does that make me a racist?
Try a new excuse for your tanking candidate.
Carol Oh she told you that huh?
Carol Oh she told you that huh?
“One of the things, the important aspects of this race is role modeling what good families should look like,” Michelle Obama said at a Women for Obama event. “And my view is that if you can’t run your own house, you certainly can’t run the White House.”
If you don’t think that’s about Hillary/Bill problems, then you’ve got blinders on. GTFO, you fucking Obamatronic troll.
This attractive issue is really dumb!! But if you insist . . . more attractive than HRC? Younger perhaps, but pleeeaaase–attractive?
In all sincerity, Michelle has got to soften those scary arched-eyebrows, for one thing, and dress appropriately for political events. She’s been dressing as if she’s going out to dinner in slinky dresses that are too tight and revealing, rather than as a potential First Lady!
MO thinks she’s at the Oscars.
Then CAROL - you must be a flagrant SEXIST.
We’re NOT taking Obamabots’ racist accusations ANY MORE. Every time you accuse Hillary supporters of being RACIST just because we don’t choose Obama as our candidate of choice, then we will accuse YOU and your kind of being SEXIST b/c you didn’t support our choice for candidate.
Is that lame? You bet - it’s been lame of the Obama campaign to play the racist victim card for this entire Primary season, but you certainly did it and are still doing it.
Turnabout is fair play - deal with it, you SEXIST PIG.
Michelle said she wanted to claw Bill Clintons eyes out. So she’s not Jacqueline Kennedy.
What do I think, Larry?
That you are a huge horse’s ass.
Go back to being a Repuke. That’s where you belong!
–Brad in Texas
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I can wait for 4 years…so its McCain for me.
Period.
I have never admired Sen. Clinton more than I did tonight. She drew lines, clear, bright lines….
Bravo, Sen Clinton….
I think her key message was that voting for McCain would be a grave error and would run counter to all the causes she championed and the beliefs she holds, and in fact, it would be a slap to the entire purpose of her campaign.
Anyone who values her judgment and leadership needs to listen to what she’s saying. Voting for McCain would be like throwing Hillary under the bus, since she has expressly stated that a McCain vote is antithetical to everything she stands for.
bss, to that comment of yours I offer you Bill’s reasoning on this subject. Candidate X agrees with you on all the issues, but you don’t think he/she can deliver. Candidate Y agrees with you on half the issues, but you think he can deliver. Who should you vote for?
So are the actions of dean, pelosi, the dnc and all obama cretins who called me a racist and a woman hater. dean, obama et al have lost this Democrat, at least until they are purged.
Obama is antithetical to everything this country and we stand for!
Ok BSs, You’ve convinced me. You can leave now, your work here is done.
Wow, her speech was underwhelming. I love Hillary and fought hard for her but she told about a half dozen lies about McCain and her endorsement of Obama was pleasingly tepid, thank goodness. No praise for Obama at all. Good for her! I’m pleased with it even though it was so minimal. Loved the video and Chelsea’s intro.
I think … I’ll vote for McCain. For those interested in Hillary 2012 that’s probably the best strategy to take. (First time voting Republican but like “Debra” in the McCain ad says it’s realy okay in this circumstance). Country before Party.
and like “debra” you think that mccain is pro-choice, right?
fucking idiot
Thank you idiot obamabots for showing up and reminding us that we will NEVER vote for Obama because of trash like you Obamabots.
Keep up the hard work Obamabots — we need frequent reminders that Obama is a lying sack of sh*t — just like his cult followers.
blood,
You are one to call people vile names that ascribe to you…
Otto-I’m past the abortion issue. I want the “beef”.
We worked hard to overcome the Repub majority in 2006 and what have we gained? The Dem congress sat on its’ hands and gave Bush everything he wanted.
To me, it seems like the Dems are eager to take advantage of the power they gave to Bush & the Repubs. It remains to be seen what the Dems will actually do for us with a Dem pres.
Hillary did exactly what she needed to do, show herself as undeniably committed to her party.
And she showed everyone else what they are missing, a REAL president.
All you trolls who want to throw up her speech in my face, you are wasting your time.
Obama is not going to be president.
Get over it! (sound familiar?)
I take back everything bad I’ve ever said about Hillary Clinton. Great speech. A total class act.
I actually agree with you PUMAs for once — he should have chosen her as veep.
Obama-Biden 08!
Hillary 2016!
Obama Troll Patrol
Too little…too late-
You never gave her a chance to begin with.
You never knew her or what she stood for.
Wait until after November 2008.
Then you will taking back much more than you can imagine right now…
I respect Sen Clinton however I am terribly disappointed in how the DNC handled the whole campaign process from the vetting (or non vetting) of Sen Obama, FLA & MI, Caucus situation, and forcing delegates to support Obama when the popular vote in delegate’s state indicated Sen Clinton won.
I was waiting to hear Sen Clinton’s speech before I made a decision.
As of this evening, I am STRONGLY considering renouncing my Democratic party membership.
However, I am waiting until the delegates vote.
One thing I know for certain is that I will not be voting for Sen Obama in November.
For me, the journey began when the Chicago Machine started labeling Bill Clinton a racist. Then, the
Obama-Dean-Pelosi cabal started calling for Hillary to step aside.
But when the DNC coronated The One and in broad daylight, broke their own rules, and strong-armed and paid off delegates to support him… I made up my mind then. Bill and Hillary could knock on my door and beg me to vote for Barky and I’d have to say, “Mr. and Madame President, I have the utmost respect and admiration for you, but even you cannot change my mind.”
Just as they strong-armed the delegates, they’ve strong-armed Hillary to be a “team player.” They have, more than likely, threatened her political future unless she “plays by their rules.” I can’t blame Hillary for any of this.
But I can cast my vote for McCain and wait patiently for four years, when the STAR of the Democratic Party comes back, and with the loyalty of more than 18 million we will claim what we want for our future. HER…
McCain ‘08 - Hillary ‘12!!!
Hi Dee! I knew you at Taylor Marsh. Much nicer here.
She looked fantastic! And seeing Bill’s love and pride just made me cry. These two people ARE the core beliefs of the democratic party - the FDR democratic party. They embody so much of what the true democrats are.
What has happened!?!? I just refuse to vote for the DNC’s hand picked choice. Had they left the rpimary alone and let the process play itself by the people, things would be much different.
You know with the dem majority for the past two years, there is no excuse for things to be as bad as they are now. It is our democratic leadership’s failings almost as much as Bush/Cheney.
No way. No how. No Obama.
if Hillary loses, there won’t be an ‘12. no use explaining that you guys though.
carry on with your fringe conspiracy theories…
MEchelle is evil!! Soetoro lies!!McCain is up 2 points today!! LMAO!!
Hillary was the highlight of this convention. I also thought that the Governor of my Great state of Montana did a wonderful job of getting things started. Way to go Brian!!
Hillary, you made us all proud!
Does anyone think the cat fight after the show will be just as good. Michelle looked like she could claw Hills eyes out at times.
No tj, that’s just a figment of your sick little sexist imagination. Hillary and Michelle have been talking for weeks and anything else is just disgusting projection on your part.
Obama/Biden 08
Then if I am so wrong why do you rise to the occassion?
LOL! Finally got a rise out of a Troll!! Gold star for me!!
Next hes going to tell me that Hillary and Michelle are actually best friends and Michelle was only kidding when she said she would have to THINK about voting for Hillary.
No way NObama.
Very original, did your mommy help you come up with that?
I thought she knocked it out of the park. The video was awful (as in very good) because I feel we already lost the election. The election was in the primary, now it’s a matter of tweedle dee, tweedle dum and you can tell by the other speeches. Americans need more training and education? Are they kidding me? The United States has the best higher education in the world and the most highly skilled people in the world. What’s going on has nothing to do with any deficiencies of the American people and I personally find such claims outright insulting to all Americans.
HUH??? We may have the best HIGHER Ed. but certainly not our required K-12 Ed. And judging from behaviour of so many people on the internet lately, we are in a downward spiral. No manners, no respect and most people have no writing and grammar skills anymore. I don’t mean the typos - most are clueless about use of puntuation.
But I agree: the loss of the election was in the primaries. The dems once again have got the wrong candidate. I think gredd has taken over this country - and the world.
If, as Larry says, “we cannot trust Obama on the issues” because “he has no core”… then isn’t Hillary also sellout for supporting him so strongly?
Even if Obama is a “sellout” who “has no core”… it will be easier to push through the legislation on the issues that Hillary wants with him as president. That’s what Hillary cares about. President McCain would never sign universal healthcare, but (as Hillary said in the speech) President Obama will.
JimmyM
You are making too many assumptions.
“It will be easier to push through legislation on the issues that Hillary wants with as president”
W H Y?
Sen Obama throws people under buses and his decisions are based on political expediency. What is politically expedient for him to do today might not be politically expedient for him to do tomorrow.
Look at how Sen Clinton was treated during the campaign.
LIFE LONG LOYAL DEMOCRATIC LEADERS WHO STOOD WITH HER SHOULDER TO SHOULDER OVER THE YEARS TOSSED EVERYTHING ASIDE AND SIDED WITH OBAMA EVEN THOUGH THEIR STATES CHOSE SEN CLINTON IN THE PRIMARY???
Look how the DNC ran this campaign. Are they going to run up to him IF he gets elected and say “Sen Obama But…but…you promised…you promised you wouyld support Healthcare legislation ”
And then …we…the citizens…are supposed to ’suck it up and get in line and stop whining…
-for the good of the Democratic party. Oh yeah- I see that happening.
What on earth do you base your opinion on in that Sen Obama will push through her legislation?
Look what he did about FISA. Look at his track record.
I will not vote for Sen Obama in November.
Has anyone seen the Gallup poll that shows McCain up two? By the end of the week, maybe he will be getting a 10 point post-convention bounce - lol! Seriously though, maybe there is hope for McCain winning and Hillary coming back in 2012.
Right on!
US PEOPLE watched her hit it out of the park hundreds of times this year. We watched her represent our country for years and we stood by her with love and gratitude.
We are not a freaking movement. We aren’t Hillary worshipers. We just knew she was absolutely simply the best. And you know what else, we OWN our votes.
We all have different plans on Nov. 4th, and those are subject to change for those of us undecided.
Now is the time to celebrate HILLARY! And tomorrow, we are gonna give Big Dawg some love too.
He’s a pretty damn fine speaker himself and he knows how to run a country too.
I think the country got royally screwed by Obama and all the a-holes that foisted him on us.
Watching Hillary, it’s obvious to any sentient being that she is ready to lead and she is “The One” this country needs right now.
Obama is nothing but a poseur fraud who needs to collect prestigious titles in order to make himself feel that he isn’t such a worthless sack of excrement. He needs to go around telling everyone within earshot that this election is not about him because deep inside, he knows it is all about him.
If elected, McCain will continue the war indefinitely. More young Americans will die in the Middle East. Is that really okay with you?
I think the opposite. McCain is a hero. He is a leader. He understand war and what it means to fight and be injured. McCain for Commander in Chief……no empty suit who doesn’t even know how many states we have!
ScholarGrl: Apparently they didn’t tell you this in Obama indoctrination class, but even Bush is talking to the Iraqis about a withdrawal date:
Bush Accepts Iraq Withdrawal Plan
Do your own research and stop believing everything your sheltered professors tell you.
ScholarGrl,
and Sen Obama will do differently why?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
I IMPLORE YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS- study your history. Look at the past. Look at who Sen Obama has surrounded himself with . PLEASE EDUCATE YOURSELVES before you go on making serious remarks like that in a casual manner.
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1497.html
Zbigniew Brzezinski (person who at one time some have accused of being a war monger, who has written books on why the US should seek control of Iran if US wants to maintain its global primacy in Euroasia.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1097chessboard#a1097chessboard
Dr Susan Rice.
Dr Susan Rice has been accused of being another MAJOR reason why Osama Bin Laden was able to carry out terror attacks on 9/11. She convinced US govt not to accept Sudan offer to turn over Bin Laden to US in 1997 despite convincing arguments to the contrary provided to her by other US and foreign officials friendly to the US. .
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2002/01/osama200201
The osama Files, January 2002, David Rose
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0144,gould,29537,1.html
“Thanks But No Thanks-How the U.S. Missed a Chance to Get Bin Laden”
by Jennifer Gould, The Village Voice, 10/30/01
I grew up in the 1960’s and well remember the rebellions of the day. I recall how it was popular for anyone under 30 to be anti-establishment, anti-war, anti-anything that was not youth related. I am not surprised that the Obots are clinging to Obama after discovering all of Obama’s rebellious connections. He surrounds himself with old kids that raised hell in their younger years and they still hang on to those feelings. No wonder old hippies drool over him.
The Obots are simply rebellious kids (be they old or young) that need a god to drive their rebellious nature. It is why Obama cannot stand on a issue for long, why he shifts his stance all over the the political map. He is a child with no core.
The decades of drug use causes the drooling. The sponge brain that can’t reason is why they love Obambi.
Øbama voted to allow young Americans to die when he opposed a bill which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. Øbama also strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. I am sure the ramifications of his votes on this issue have killed more young Americans state-side than the brave young Americans we’ve lost in the Middle East.
I am 100% pro-choice but I certainly don’t agree with infanticide. Allowing a baby, who is a product of a botched abortion, to die after it has been born is murder. Why is Øbama so ruthless against these young Americans?
If you are going to defend young Americans you have to defend all young Americans, even the tiniest and most helpless of them all. Øbama sure as hell doesn’t.
McCain ‘08
Hillary ‘12
Øbama NEVER
I thought her speech was very moving. She did hit it out of the ballpark. She touched on everything she needed to get across. Like the trooper she is she went out there and let us know what she wanted.
That still doesn’t take away the fact I won’t vote for Barry……….
NOBAMA Never
I don’t think you guys actually give a damn about Hillary or what she stands for. You didn’t hear a word of her amazing speech, all you hear is your narcissistic cries against Obama’s character. If you actually cared about what she believed in, you’d champion her beliefs that Obama shares. If this speech tonight told me one thing, it was that. I’m sold and hopefully the rest of you come through.
Stand up for what you believe in.
That is precisely why I won’t be voting for Barry.
What you believe in. Read in-between the lines. Unfortunately Obama is not presenting the many policies Hillary was. She might use her political clout to get some sort of universal health care but on trade…it’s back to that classic DLC screw you workers. As far as our manufacturing base, their response is in essence, “what the hell is that”? Oh Americans, you are just too stupid to adjust mentality.
Curtis,
We do care very much about Sen Clinton’s candidacy and her values and we support her very strongly because we always put country first and we know that she is best for our country. However…if she is not nominated as a candidate- all bets off on supporting the Democratic party candidate- Remember- for many of us…it is country first before party.
Sen Clinton presented no conflict for us. Sen Obama is not good for our country.PERIOD.
No I will not vote for Sen Obama-no matter what anyone says…
You start out “I don’t think”. How appropriate.
I believe in fairplay. I believe in truth and honesty. I believe in one person one vote, in democracy and our right as a citizens to choose the candidate we care to support without any kind of faschist strongarming, bullying tactics and violent threats.
I believe in the US Constitution. And in the Checks & Balances of our government.
I want a president who has experience in government, foreign affairs, who is knowlegeable of the world not from an academic standpoint but from an actual one. Someone who can think on their feet and understands diplomacy. I want a president who can admit when they are wrong and stand up before the American public and say that. Someone who doesn’t take the worst elements of our society and use them as a way to make a statement. A human being who can be triumphant in victory and more important gracious.
I stand for myself first and foremost and I know that life is often filled with hard choices. I’ve seen enough presidents to know that the politicians when running for office will say anything to get elected. Once elected, they have only their character and good judgement to rely on when confronting domestic problems, the US Congress and the various world leaders. Presidents can certainly make a huge impact on our lives, but more often than not they can’t make radical change because the Constitution is structured in a way to prevent that.
The next president, even if it was Hillary is not going to have an easy path. Pay no attention to all the stops both Parties are pulling out. When the Inauguration is over, and after the first 100 days, it will be back to business as usual. The only surprises will be the unexpected events, like 9/11, like Hurrican Katrina, an earthquake or any natural disaster, a stock market crash.
I want the best person in office that has the goods to deal with all of that. I’ve accepted the fact that we will never get Universal Healthcare until those of us who want it, get off of our asses and make enough noise and protest until the pharmaceutical companies, the insurance industry and the goddamn doctors realize we are mad as hell and we are not going to take it anymore.
One of the reasons Hillary was sabotaged was because of the interests regarding healthcare. That pretty much sums up where the 2 remaining candidates stand on the issue. Both McCain and 0bama are safe bets for the special interests. We will be having the healthcare discussion still in 2012. It really is up to us.
I see nothing in 0bama as a politician, an elected official, a private citizen and as a man. He wants to get elected POTUS. He looks good to people tired of Bush and those who hate the Clintons. He’s a biracial man who counts on his black half to seal the deal. He’s relyling on the historical stain of slavery to make his case and the desperation of AAs who just want to feel equal.
He is a conflicted, master manipulator. And I will not give my vote to someone whom I know in my gut to be wrong for this job.
If Hillary, McCain and 0bama were applying for a job in my dept., I’d hire Hillary, keep McCain’s resume on file and shred 0bama’s. Hillary’s just too damn smart, not to want to have on my team.
What the hell do you stand for Curtis?
Is it only for Obama ’cause you don’t have any other reason other that COOL RUNNIN’.
curtis — you don’t have to sell us on Hillary. We KNOW she’s great. Also, you cannot sell us on Obama — we KNOW he sucks.
Curtis,
Me too. That’s why I won’t be voting for the Soetoro guy.
PUMA
McCain 08
Hillary 12
Hell, I’m a conservative and even I would consider voting her (if I could). Started out this year hating her with every fiber in my being. She has begrudgingly gained my respect and admiration. My or my, did the DNC really screw this up or what?!?
Hillary has simply proved she’s better than all of them.
Hell, I’m a conservative and even I would consider voting for her (if I could). Started out this year hating her with every fiber in my being. She has begrudgingly gained my respect and admiration. My oh my, did the DNC really screw this up or what?!?
sorry for the double post - I was correcting my mistakes and thought I caught it on time.
pcbdamned — no problem. It bears repeating. Yes my friend the Democratic Party screwed this up. I will vote for McCain. He has enough experience to run a country and he loves this country as I do.
If elected, McCain will continue the war in Iraq indefinitely, and possibly begin another one in Iran. And then there’s Afghanistan. More young Americans will die in the Middle East. Is that really okay with you?
Better than having the black muslims in the White House getting itchy trigger fingers with the nuclear weapons arsenal. Or maybe that’s okay with you?
Apparently they didn’t tell you this in Obama indoctrination class, but even Bush is talking to the Iraqis about a withdrawal date:
Bush Accepts Iraq Withdrawal Plan
Do your own research and stop believing everything your sheltered professors tell you.
I thought it was Bambam who wanted to go into Afghanistan?!? Or was that Pakistan? Hmmmmm…
I wonder who the war-monger really is?
Oh, and if Democrats studied history a little better,
WW1 - Woodrow Wilson (D)
WW2 - FDR (D)
Atomic Bombs on Japan - Truman (D)
Korean War - Truman (D)
Vietnam War - JFK (D)
Put it in perspective yet?
wow, what a speaker! She rocks. I’ll follow her narrative on Harriet Tubman: When you are called racist by Barry and his thugs, keep going! Yeh, I’ll keep going to make sure Barry Soetoro gets nowhere near the WH.
McCain 08
Clinton 2012
You got that message too huh! KEEP FIGHTING!!
“Anyone who values her judgment and leadership needs to listen to what she’s saying. Voting for McCain would be like throwing Hillary under the bus, since she has expressly stated that a McCain vote is antithetical to everything she stands for.” by BSS
Uh,no. Just BS.
The perception of character counts in elections. In fact, it may count more than “positions.” Positions can change, and with Obama, they frequently do: Anti-FISA/vote for FISA; Public campaign financing embraced/Public campaign financing dumped, etc., etc., etc.
To look for clues as to what a candidate is truly about look to his actions. Obama has repeatedly shown disrespect to Hillary. He tends to place trappings of power above political substance. (Witness: fake Presidential Seal; reproduced Greek Temple setting for acceptance speech; Yea gads!)
I could go on and on in this way but why bother. It’s really a difference in our perceptions of this man. You see him as special, while to me he looks much more like horse meat.
bucky — We have been told that the Democratic Base can stay home. We are not needed. You have other voters to replace us. Ok — do it. Win without us. Stop this damn propaganda.
Were you all in it for Hillary, or in it for that mother with cancer, or that veteran without healthcare?
When has Obama ever done anything for anyone but himself?
Or did you not get the memo about what a total failure his community organizer role and his annanberg challenge roll or his senate time has been?
Are you in it for the country? or for the next american Idol?
That mother with cancer that Barry couldn’t even bother to visit before she died? That mother?
Obama is only “in it” for Obama.
Aren’t you Obama-nuts all about Obama? No longterm record to speak of, indeed, no records whatsoever.
That parable from Hillary was directed at Obama supporters even moreso than her supporters.
PU-MA.
We’re in it for country–not for a candidate or Party!
Hillary has the support of Hispanic Americans.
Not Barack.
No Way, No How, NOBama!!
McCain 2008
Hillary 2012 !!
So true! Many in my family are leaving the Party and voting for a Republican for the very first time!
Que viva Hillary!
Well, said Larry. Thank you.
Hillary showed true Leadership, backbone, integrity and principle She showed why she should be President of the United States. She did everything she could. But she cannot make B B (Racktrack Barry). She can not make him a man of principle or honesty and she cannot make him a man of character or integrity or the wisdom to know better. B B is just an empty suit that is aboe his head.
But Hillary, you ROCKED and contrary to the pundits, shined on all and gave even more reason for an overwhelming growing support.
Yes. Thing is Obama makes my physically sick. He’s such a cheap amateurish charlatan it’s an insult to the intelligence of even his own people.
Agreed.
She knocked that speech right out of the park. It was just amazing. Now that is what a President sounds like!
Fantastic Speech from Hillary.
She did all she could for the party.
Even though the Party machine in no way deserves any of it after what they did to her.
She spoke to the Democratic party as it should be not to the dirty party that it has become in selecting Obama.
She showed them what a true party leader looks like and acts like.
Her Gretness of character no way transfers to the shitbags who pulled off the stealing of the nomination.
I Love her for her courage and her loyalty even more than i respoected her for being such an astute intelligent and focused politician.
I am sorry she got stuck with some horrible campaign managers in the beginning.
I am sorry the DNC had the fix in for Obama since 2005 and spent so much time and enrgy screwing Hillary to get their Selected Fraud up in front of the american people.
I regret that the MSM has turned into the Pom Pom Panty Girl Brigade rah rah rah-ing for Mr Gosh Darn Good Looking instead of worrying about who really is best to lead our country.
But most of all I regret knowing all that i know now about Obama and his dirty past, his lies, his flip flops, his lack of accomplishments, his climing on the heads of greats to steal the limelight, his arrogance and presumptiveness and his cult like taking over of the many many ready to be pod people of america.
Because of that I have to say again. I love you for who you are Hillary. You make us proud as democrats.
I wish I could say the DNC makes us proud, but no matter how many times they put the gun to your head and trot you out to convince us that your greatness, your class, your loyalty should be transferred to them, they have not earned it. In fact this election season they not only squandered it they spit on it.
Rise in 2012 Hillary.
I will be voting John McCain.
No Obama Ever.
I agree: No way, no how, NO NO NObama.
I agree: No way, no how, NO NO NObama.
“Anyone who values her judgment and leadership needs to listen to what she’s saying. Voting for McCain would be like throwing Hillary under the bus, since she has expressly stated that a McCain vote is antithetical to everything she stands for.” by BSS
Uh,no. Just BS.
John in 2008
Hillary in 2012
Hillary showed grace in defeat. You PUMAs should do the same.
No, she showed grace. She never “lost”. You’re the LOSER Kelvin and every fool like you who has swallowed the kool aid.
Kelvin, will you show grace in November when Obama loses?…just askin’
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!
Hillary Rodham Clinton just conquered the world!
Follow THAT with more of that lame, old changey-hopey crap!
Comment by cplummer | 2008-08-26 22:07:46
While her speech rings authentic, I feel like in doing her best to build Obama up, she’s reminding people that he has many, many steps to climb to get up to her level.
MO was probably worrying about it too with all the sour looks on her face.
Post-Hillary’s convention speech–I have heard the most excellent speech of this electoral season by the front-runner of the democratic primary who should be our next president. I have voted in 10 presidential elections, but I possibly won’t be voting at the top of the ticket in 2008. We Americans may be described truthfully by Hillary, but many of us aren’t good citizens and don’t put the best leaders in the White House. We learn to regret our choice years after the election when we could have studied the candidates and make wiser decisions. We could have avoided these times. We could have been sage stewards of our futures. We could have taken this country to greater heights yet. It was possible.
Hillary has the support of Hispanic Americans.
Not Barack.
No Way, No How, NOBama!!
McCain 2008
Hillary 2012 !!
Larry, Amen. I and many like me had changed our opinions of Hillary in March. She could have been Commander in Chief. Not the Marxist ObEmptyBrain or his AmericanHatingWife.
McCain in ‘08.
She’s leading, just like you asked. Will you not follow?
Obama 08
I’m not a follower. I don’t go anywhere that I don’t wanna go. So i’m going to go let myself out the back door and vote for McCain. I’m what you call my own person you might want to try it sometimes. If hillary jumped off a bridge would you?
Not a follower, but I will stand up for what I think is right. That is, I will not be complicit in tearing this country down by voting for Obama.
NO VOTE FOR OBAMA
Hi Oregon Coaster, I’m in the Willamette Valley and I’ll be canceling out your vote.
PUMA
McCain 08
Hillary 12
Still can not vote for a now Marxist Party; I’ll be voting for McCain. Would have voted for Hillary otherwise.
A great speech. Inspiring. And such a shame she is not the candidate, as she is by far the most able of all the candidates to be president.
I agree with you Larry, although I think Obama IS a bad person, unprincipled, power-mad, and, yes, un-American. I’ll always be there for Hillary. For Obama, never.
Hillary’s brilliance just PROVES to us that Obama should not have been the nominee. Asking us to support Obama are just words to me. They have no meaning because he is not a legitimate candidate and this entire year he has always depended on Hillary to cross the finish line. Now he is counting on her to unite the party. I just can’t take this sh*t anymore. After tonight I am more determined than ever before to vote against Obama.
What do I think?
I think you and everyone on this site are freaking crazy.
Obama is too left wing
Obama is a neo-con
Obama is a racist
Obama is a misogynist
Obama is too inexperienced
Obama is the candidate of the old guard
Obama is Satan
Obama is Hitler
On and on with every possible perversion and hyperbole…
Anyone else see a pattern here?
Botheads:
The gift that keeps on giving!
Thank you!
Sincerely,
WIN WITHOUT ME!
To 4 Democratic Ideals.
I see a pattern. The geometric proof that Obama is not right for the presidency. You listed all the reasons.
Yes - I see a definite pattern…it’s called TRUTH.
“On and on!!!” screamed Madelyn at her nude daughter who was lolling in the filthy sheets of the now defiled twin bed. “With every possible perversion!”
“I hate you, Mommy!! I hate America! I hate God!! I love Barack!” snarled Stanley Anne, scratching her stubble. “Anyone else see a pattern here, Mommy?”
The MOST important vote of your lives so far is one AGAINST McCain. No way. No how. NO McCAIN.
McCain does not believe women deserve equal pay. McCain is NOT pro-choice. McCain calls his very own wife a c*@t. McCain does not deserve your vote. Obama does not deserve your grief.
Anyone who votes McCain is someone who does NOT care for women’s rights.
give it a rest will ya. Own your sh@#ty candidate. Lose without me, Loser.
WHOA! These Obommunist anchovies are surely becoming more and more desperate by the second aren’t they? They should be out partying and celebrating and look where they’re all at
LMAO big time
Life is good
McCain ‘08
Hillary ‘12
Øbama Hopey-n-changy not now and not ever
Gawd, you bots are out in full force, aren’t you? What’s the matter? Your candidate tanking?
BWAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAA
PUMA
McCain 08
Hillary 12
[...] 27, 2008 · No Comments Heh: She is right about the issues. But we now know we cannot trust Obama on the issues. He has no core. [...]
WOW!!! Absolutely amazing speech. I’m still in awe.
BTW, anyone see the woman interviewed on CNN afterwards. She was in tears. She was saying “and you wonder why we believe Hillary is the best?” She said everything that Hillary supporters are thinking and why they can’t vote for Obama. It’s was very moving.
The biggest casuality of this election will be our futures if Obama is nominated. No one can listen to that speech and not understand that the wrong person was chosen for the job.
Hillary is magnificent
I will wait for her 4 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4a61h8UzZA
Youre the Top
Agatha Christie style for the fans in the house
HILL IS THE TOP
Cole Porter
Youre the top! youre the collosseum,
Youre the top! youre the louvre museum,
Youre the melody from a symphony by strauss,
Youre a bendel bonnet,
A shakespeare sonnet,
Youre mickey mouse!
Post-Hillary’s convention speech–I have heard the most excellent speech of this electoral season by the front-runner of the democratic primary who should be our next president. I have voted in 10 presidential elections, but I possibly won’t be voting at the top of the ticket in 2008. We Americans may be described truthfully by Hillary, but many of us aren’t good citizens and don’t put the best leaders in the White House. We learn to regret our choice years after the election when we could have studied the candidates and made wiser decisions. We could have avoided these times. We could have been sage stewards of our futures. We could have taken this country to greater heights yet. It was possible.
“No Way, No How, No [Obama]”
Tonight the DNC got it between the eyes. I love Hillary!!!!!! That’s what you call class.
Now the question is how can anyone with a half brain vote for Obama when you could have Hillary or wait for Hillary?
Hillary all the way.
NOBAMA NO HOW.
I don’t understand why the obamabots don’t go on the Mc Cain blogs and spew their venom there. By now they(If they had a brain)would realize than we aren’t buying their crap about ob. Hillary was our pick and even if she asks us to support ob for our own reasons,we won’t.
You’re right Larry; Hillary’s all class. She said what she had to tonight; endorse a younger man that she knew she was more qualified than-one of the oldest stories in history…
Although I love, respect, and admire her, I cannot follow her entreaty and back Obama. As you said I can’t trust, cant be sure of what he really believes…
And, I can’t trust his character nor his lack of integrity; as demonstrated by his drastic flip-flopping and the ease with which he throws people under the bus. It makes me wonder when my turn comes to go under it’s wheels!
These are the reasons I’ll hold my nose, pull the lever for McCain in the fall, and look forward to 2012!
Yes He Can: pervert the primary campaigns; refuse to impeach or censure; support retroactive FISA immunity; abandon campaign and election reforms; reject universal or single payer healthcare; support the Class Action (UN)Fairness act; equivocate and deceive on deployment of troops; abandon issues on marriage rights, women’s control of their own bodies, LGBT; repeatedly support the Patriot Act; fear and refuse to debate other candidates; adulate the failures RWR and GHWB at the expense WJC and HRC; move right of and orthogonal to progressive principles.
House and Senate majorities sufficient. No sock puppet. Sharp stick in the eye. zerObama is a grease ball.
PUMA unswayed — voting McCain (my vote is worth two of theirs)
if Hillary loses, there won’t be an ‘12. no use explaining that you guys though.
carry on with your fringe conspiracy theories…
Comment by dottie | 2008-08-26 22:20:40
_______________________________________________
Are you drunk?
My vote is MINE! As much as I support Hillary, that support is non-transferable! I’m voting McCain!
That speech had me quietly crying.
Hillary is supposed to be the president.
I was very happy with her speech. She got in “gay rights,” which is a weakness of Obama’s; she got in “universal health care for every American,” which Obama did not campaign on; and she got in a wonderful tribute to Stephanie Tubbs Jones.
She’s doing what the DNC wants, but make no mistake, Hillary Clinton is her own woman.
hillary did a great job tonight and was absolutely rock solid in her support for obama. she specifically called out all the dead enders on sites like nq whose support was always simply about her and not the good of the country. her speech tonight good enough to convert all the but the unconvertable few…like y’all…
have a nice time in your circle jerk of hatred and self-importance as obama wins the general in november.
be sure and come back Nov 5th so we can get in a few “I told you so’s”
hitch–why don’t you go inflate your tires!
I would love to vote for a democrat who I trusted to work hard for the issues that matter to me, instead the DNC has given me democratic diarrhea, a piece of shit is running! That means that I will have to vote at least for the one man in this race I can respect and that man is John McCain!
Czuzeq, I was sipping a coke, read your democratic diarrhea line, and chuckled, almost messing up my board. You’re a riot. Keep the humor, we will need it for this election.
Puma Az said
I can wait for 4 years…so its McCain for me.
Period.
____
So the American soldiers who will die in Iraq because of McCain’s policies should just “wait” too? So the mom with cancer who has no health insurance should just “wait” too? So the unemployed worker in Ohio should just “wait” too — so you can stomp your feet and pout for 4 years?
What pure, unbridled selfishness, Puma Az!
Was there something about what Hillary said about what a disaster a McCain vote would be that didn’t come through clear enough? How can anyone claim such deep respect for her judgment and then just toss aside her strongly held and emphatically expressed judgment on this election?
All these “moms” with cancer…and this one has no health insurance either. Most be the Barky talking point for 8/26.
bss-
Do you know how many hundreds of thousands of men, women, children (collateral damage) died in Afghanistan and parts of Asia because of Z. Brzezinksi and his decisions in the 1970s and 1980’s?
This is Sen Obama’s chief “U N O F F I C I A L ”
foreign policy advisor.
Many outside of the US want to bring him up on war criminal charges.
Learn the facts before you jump to such irrational statements about a McCain candidacy.
Let’s see- who will get less people killed?
No wait…(according to your logic) who will get less Americans killed? McCain or Obama…
Dont try that argument here…
http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1497.html
Zbigniew Brzezinski (person who at one time some have accused of being a war monger, who has written books on why the US should seek control of Iran if US wants to maintain its global primacy in Euroasia.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a1097chessboard#a1097chessboard
Not sure how anyone could listen to that impassioned speech from Hillary and decide to go against everything she said — everything she stands for, and has worked for, and will continue to work for — and decide the hand the presidency to another Republican. It just does not add up, folks.
Obama does not stand for anything. Even if he says one thing or votes one way, he’ll flip his position whenever the wind changes. Take away Hillary and with Obama you’re left with literally nothing, not even an empty suit. This is for your future. Please step outside your bubble. I can’t believe that speech did not resonate with you.
To vote for Obama is to destroy any possibility of Universal Health Care because Obama will mess it up and people won’t give it another try for a very long while. Hillary has faught for it for 30 years and you think a 1 and a half year Senator will do what no one else has been able to do??? That he’ll succeed where Hillary has championed her cause for all those years??? That suddenly, he’ll have some kind of revelation that has escaped Hillary all this time??? This is where experience matters.
There are things at stake much bigger than your favourite candidate. Hillary represented true leadership. She represented the future that rightfully belongs to all of us. But that will not happen now. This is why people were in tears. What could have been!
You don’t know my favorite candidate is.
I am a huge fan of Hillary Clinton.
I’m also a lifelong Democrat.
I’m not voting for John McCain. I’m sorry the Democratic nominating process is messed up. I’m sorry Hillary isn’t the Democratic nominee. But she’s not, apparently.
I’ll stay with the party, try to fix the party, fix the nominating process, and pressure folks in power to keep their promises. That is what Hillary asked all of us to do.
But join the Republicans? Vote McCain? Nope. I won’t do that.
Her speech did not magically transform Obama into presidential material. People who with just cause believe that the Obama campaign has betrayed the public trust can appreciate Hillary’s qualities without accepting all of her judgments.
This is the saddest thing I’ve seen. I watched Hillary tonight and she was Leader a President A amazing woman. I believe in everything she said tonight. Barack is not I’m sorry he just is not I KNOW TOO MUCH IM NOT IGNORANT. I wish i never knew all I knew I wish i could walk in that booth and blindly vote Obama.
Hillary is still the only candidate that should be president.
PROVE IT PLEASE SOMEONE JUST PROVE THAT OBAMA IS a “democrat” when he voted for the dick cheney energy bill and numerous bills that give money back to the rich. Make a case that proves he is above the relationships with REZKO AYERS STROGER MILLS, REV WRIGHT
DONT TELL ME IM RACIST of Ignorant dont t call me horrible names or tell me im bitter
DONT TELL ME ABOUT MCcain
TELL ME WHY BARACK deserves this……
WHEN the women you saw tonight earned more votes and more battle ground states and more DEMOCRATIC STATES than Obama
then answer me WHY is she not the VP or ever even vetted
INSTEAD of insults debate bring proof and justice that BARACK deserves this.
itappearstobe.wordpress.com
Thank you for bringing up the Dick Cheney Energy Bill.
I have yet to hear one Bothead explain that one.
Any takers, Botheads?
I’m listening.
Obama is a DEMONCRAT
When he supported FISA that meant there was no possibility that I could ever vote for him. He shredded the constitution with that vote alone!
Too bad, it makes me sad.
No Way, No How, NOBAMA!
Michelle Obama had a smirk on her face through practically all of Hillary’s speech. Shame on her.
And I had better not hear that anyone in the Obama
campaign has anything sour to say about Hillary’s speech and all they think she might not have done for them. She has done plenty. Barky needs to stop whining and step up to the plate to do the work himself.
I love Hillary, but I am still not convinced.
The DNC Got It Wrong. So McCain It Will Have To Be!
Hillary in 2012!
They are already complaining that the mention of his name in her speech was minimal (only 10 times)and saying that she did not feature his personality and strengths enough. In other words she didn’t stroke his ego enough.They are saying the speech was too generic.
Hillary gave an absolutely stunning and moving speech tonight. She did what she felt she had to do.
And come November, I will do what I have to do: NObama.
African Americans still are contending that Bill Clinton is a racist and a crazy.
They are very uninformed or blinded by Obama.
African Americans still are contending that Bill Clinton is a racist and a crazy.
They are very uninformed or blinded by Obama.
Yes they are. And what’s sad about that is that they can go on youtube and find the actual clip of the statement Michelle lied about and listen to what President Clinton said with their own ears.
The man’s reputation has been irrevocably damaged in the AA community. And the really crappy part is that neither 0bama or Michelle care about what they’ve done. They have an almost self-righteous indignation about it.
This is a huge problem for a lot of voters who might possibly be persuaded by Hillary. But apparently, it’s not important enough for the 0bamas to deal with like adults as well as politicians who have a vested interest in achieving a goal. I mean - he wants to be the president, not me.
Now personally, I don’t find that to be savvy. Am I not to conclude that this doesn’t speak well in terms of his leadership ability?
Great speech by a true POTUS. She spoke loud and clear to what the Democratic Party is supposed to be about, but no longer is. She never mentioned anything about Obama’s
lack ofexperience. She never mentioned Obama’sbadcharacter. She did what she needed to do without lying about Obama’s qualifications, none, for POTUS.We saw two great Presidents tonight - Hillary and Bill.
I will never vote for Obama - country and democracy before party. I will vote for Hillary this year or in 2012.
Well said. She did not lie. She did what she had to do tonight. Shall see what is going to happen tomorrow night. If she is not going to be the candidate, I am more than 100% positive that I am going to vote for McCain. As Hillary said in the past, I trust McCain more than BO. Actually, I don’t trust BO at all…everything comes out from his mouth is not true. Show us your REAL birth certificate. You can do that if you are not hiding anything, Obama. I keep asking myself….why there are still so many people who are supporting him? Please someone explain to me, please.
Nope, she did not lie. She did what she had to do with more class than GWB has shown during his two terms or BO during the primary. The Democratic leaders have made a grave error, and they will pay big time in November.
McCain, 2008 and Clinton, 2012!
You need to have the shit kicked out of you. I’m so sick and tired of the Obama pricks, I’m on the edge of violence. If you want unity, get the fuck out of here and let us cool down. Or I swear I will start strangling every no account bot that dares wear a Barky pin around me. I can’t stand you, I can even say at this point I hate you and barky and the more you come here and insult us the more determined I am to do what ever it takes to defeat you and the mediocrity you call a candidate. Please do me a favour, keep it up so I’ll know who you are.
we care for Hillary much more then you realize. We heard every word of what she said, and what she did not say. You must not have been listening, or are you only programed to hear what you want to hear. Not once did she say he was ready to lead, going to be a great president or that he would make any of the changes he has promised. As with Obama everthing is not always what it seems. You must look and listen then carefully review the subject matter.
I stand up for what I believe in and it is not Barack Obama.
You are absolutely right! Hillary is SO SMART.
With her you have to LISTEN to what SHE DOESNT SAY.
SHe never said QUALIFIED, EXPERIENCED, OR READY to LEAD….about Obama.
You’re right Larry; Hillary’s all class. She said what she had to tonight; and endorsed a younger man that she knew she was more qualified than-one of the oldest stories in history…
Although I love, respect, and admire her, I cannot follow her entreaty and back Obama. As you said I can’t trust, can’t be sure of what he really believes…
And, I can’t trust his character nor his lack of integrity; as demonstrated by his drastic flip-flopping and the ease with which he throws people under the bus. It makes me wonder when my turn comes to go under it’s wheels!
These are the reasons I’ll hold my nose, pull the lever for McCain in the fall, and look forward to 2012!
oh man some of you are too good to be true. even after your own candidate passionately begged you vote against her principles, you still remain stubborn. think there may be some repbulicans in our midst.
Even the republicans would respect Hillarys speech. They treat her better then her own party. Maybe she should defect and her and Mccain can Maverick up the Republican side together
Grace is not the same thing as submission. It takes courage to admire and respect and love someone, while simultaneously acting upon real differences of opinion. I respect her opinion, but must ultimately make up my own mind. This is a very difficult situation, and to just tell us to “follow our leader” doesn’t help, no matter how much it may seem like a simple prescription to you.
I understand; if I wind up voting for McCain, it will be with extreme reluctance. There are no good answers here.