The Denver Group Reception
By Bud White on August 26, 2008 at 11:20 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Democratic Party, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi
(Photo credit: Hillary with Heidi Li Feldman at an event in Washington, D.C.)
Tonight is Hillary’s night. So it’s fitting that The Denver Group held a reception prior to her speech to discuss the work being done to assure that Hillary’s delegates are allowed to vote. Although that is looking increasing unlikely, Heidi Li Feldman talked about the future of The Denver Group and the Democratic Party.
The event was held at a country-style French restaurant on the edge of downtown. Heidi Li Feldman, co-founder of The Denver Group, greeted guests at the door to a private room. In attendance were Hillary supporters, PUMAs of various stripes, No Quarter’s NancyA, and at least two members of the press. My wife and I spoke with Harriet Christian, heroine from the RBC fiasco. She sipped on a Coke and told us, with increasing passion, about her experience at the RBC. She described it as a sham and a fraud.
After about 45 minutes, Heidi Li climbed up on a chair and spoke to the group. We gave her a round of applause. She is just as committed, witty, warm, and intelligent as you’d imagine.
CQ Politics was there covering the event:
A prominent backer of Hillary Rodham Clinton now says delegate intimidation by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama ’s campaign means a fair nomination vote will be impossible on Wednesday night.
“I think they are hell bent on having a pretend vote,” said Heidi Li Feldman, the Georgetown University law professor whose Denver Group sponsored advertisements this summer demanding a roll call vote on the presidential nomination at this week’s convention.
Feldman says the Denver Group now plans to run more ads after the convention under the rubric of “Principle over Party.”
“All of that energy is now going to be channeled into making sure the Democratic Party does not inherit such incompetent leadership as we have had to endure this election season,” she said.
Feldman held court Tuesday before about 50 rowdy Clinton supporters at Le Central, a French restaurant in Denver’s Capitol Hill neighborhood. They greeted her pledge to demand Dean’s ouster with resounding applause.
Several attendees asked Feldman how they should vote this November. “I don’t think you should be behind the party right now,” said Feldman, who said she plans to leave her own presidential ballot blank. “Keep standing in front of the Pepsi Center and saying this is a fraud and a fake and I am not going to be party to a party that is corrupt.”
The work of The Denver Group is not finished. Please consider going over to The Denver Group and making a donation to run their ads. I believe their work, along with many others, helped raise awareness of the sham taking place in Denver.
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Excellent. So glad that Heidi Li is not giving up. And glad you and your wife were there.
This very thoughtful, eloquent and passionated democratic supporter of Hillary says it all on this CNN clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-XssR45W4E
I listened tonight… I’m going to do what Hillary asks. It’s time to put petty differences aside and make the country better, for us all
Well you should go brag about it elsewhere. BO for president will certainly NOT make this country better. It will endanger us. He’s a cypher, a zero, a fraud.
Does anyone really think if BO loses this election that most all of his supporters will make sure Hillary will never get nominated in 2012 or ever. Hillary will never be President, ever. It’s over. The Democratic Party is doomed if Obama loses and nobody knows it more than Bill and Hill. It will never be the same in this country. Good luck in your efforts to get McCain elected.
Thanks, I’ll start calling my family to donate to McCain to make sure he gets elected. I already got three to switch already…they are indies, so it wasn’t that hard of a sell.
I would have voted democratic if anyone but McCain (or Ron Paul) had been nominated. You lucked out this year.
I think the Democrat party as it stands today is already doomed. Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid put such a deep rift in the party that I believe it will be years before it can heal.
The Democrat party is going to have to revamp itself and get back to the basics of what the party once stood for. I have never in my life as a Democrat seen such manipulation, petty jealousies, sniping and backstabbings as I did this primary season. The only person who came out on top of this battle was Hillary.
My friend and I, (both of us have children in the military,) believe that like they do with new military enlistees, the Democratic Party will need to be torn down to the bottom before it can be built back up stronger.
We can not reward bad behavior with our votes. Nancy, Howard,et al and all their enablers need to face the music when Obama loses.
And as much as I would like to vote for other democrats on the down tickets, they will have to have passed the litmus test. Whom did they endorse for president prior to June 7th? any candidate who acitvely endorsed Obama prior to June 7th has, in my mind, exhibited such a lack of good judgement that they could not possibly deserve my vote. And when the down ticket also loses, hopefully they will be so outraged at the repercussions caused by the ineptitude of Pelosi and Dean they will speak out and hold them accountable.
The DNC Got It Wrong! So McCain It Will BE!
Hillary in 2012. It all starts today.
Clinton Supporters for McCain
Country before Political Party
Clinton supporters for McCain: sour grapes before Country and common sense.
Sour grapes means you say you never wanted something. It is from Aesop’s fable “The Fox and the Grapes.” We all very much wanted Hillary to be President. The only reason many of Hillary’s supporters switched to McCain is because she is no longer in the race.
I’m not going to let the Botheads hold the 2012 threat over me another second. 2012 is 4 years away. A lot can happen.
So hear this:
I really could care less if Hillary runs in 2012.
I only care that 0bama loses in November.
Are you paying attention? Because I don’t want to hear a threat about 2012 again.
WIN WITHOUT ME!
Looking forward to McCain and a breather from the thugs and hijackers of the DNC. They need to be kicked out for good for this Obama debacle. McCain 2008.
Bill Clinton’s advice is the best route — vote for the guy who can deliver.
Trolls your messiah Obama-Soetoro will lose by a landslide in November — get used to it. Then he’ll be headed for jail.
Oh and thanks jerk idiot trolls for showing up and being your usual lying asses.
PUMA
Thanks for endangering all of us because YOU are a sheeple. Petty differences?
Thanks for being a weak link in the chain. Susan, we don’t need your kind of support.
concern troll alert.
So, we’re supposed to put fraud and manipulation “aside”? So what are you voting for then? Democratic principles are not important? Read the Constitution.
Yes, for some people party comes first, even if it means rewarding the caucus thieves.
And for others, the country comes first and the party serves as a way for like minded people to put up a candidate that best serves the concerns of those people.
Political parties rise and political parties fall, our country has stood for over 230 years and the poltical parties that were here in the beginning no longer exist, yet the country stands. The country will stand if the Democratic party as we know it today falls and a better, stronger party will take its place.
Country before party, always.
For me, the only way to vote is the way that reflects my country and my country stands for integrity, honesty, leadership, experience and moral values. McCain holds those values to a higher extent that Obama does, so I will vote for McCain even though I have been a Democrat my entire life.
I didn’t abandon my party, my party abandoned me. My values and patriotism remain the same as they always did, the Democratic party no longer has those values and has become nothing more than the Republican Party with a leftward tilt in my long held belief of the corruption that was the calling card of the Republican party.
John McCain is not a typical republican and he is not bush. Bush’s third term = Barrack Obama.
wow, that was nice. So, you can accept the fact that although I love Hillary for her conviction to the Dems, I would never bow to the fraudulent DNC?
When will you get it? If you don’t stand up for your principles, who will?
How will voting for Obama make this country better?
What have the Democratic Party leaders in congress who support Obama done to make this country better?
What has Obama done in the Senate that has made this country better?
Voting for Obama puts this country in the hands of the greedy public employee unions who will bust the budget faster than the Iraq war with their piggy demands.
Well, maybe Hillary will go tell you to take a leap off a bridge, make sure you listen and do exactly that.
Susan,
If you think our differences with Obama are petty, why the heck are you just NOW deciding to put them aside? Either you were petty all along, or you are disingenuous now - or you are an Obama plant.
Sheese! Will it never stop with you Obamalytes?
I am sorry but these differences are not “petty”. Obama is a crook and a liar and God knows what else. This is our nation we are standing up for and that is not a petty matter. You make it sound like it is nothing to trouble ourselves with. The DNC is screwing this nation royally by selecting Obama over Hillary. Do not play games with our nation by calling this matter petty.
I wouldn’t call voter fraud a petty difference, and I don’t take kindly to being called a racist, either. Obama was set up to lose by corrupt party leaders in bed with Republicans. There is no choice now between the candidates. You’re dumb or crazy, if you think the majority of Americans are going to play chicken in a voting booth on November 4. Knowing Obama as well as they undoubtedly will, odds are they are going to look at a ballot that reads Obama / Biden and see Osama bin Laden. Nice job, Dem idiots.
fake susan troll, you hide under somebody elses name but you give yourself away.
HRC supporters are not blind and don’t “do what Hillary says”.
we own our own votes
Exactly. We are not “Hillary Democrats” we are not “Hillary’s followers”, we are not under Hillary’s control. We are Democrats who support Hillary for POTUS. We don’t take every word she says as the gospel truth, we merely believe she is the better candidate. Just because she says we should do something, doesn’t mean we will do it.
The Obama followers are the left wing version of the bush followers. They do as they are told, regardless of whether it is the right thing or not. You follow obama blindly and will do what he tells you to do.
WE, on the other hand, we willing to allow Hillary to hold the highest public service office of the country, POTUS, because we believe she can do the job. We are not willing to allow obama to hold that office becuase we don’t feel he can do the job.
That is the difference in “supporters” and “followers”. We are supporters, you are followers.
That was backing up what Dr. Kate said to the other poster, not responding to Dr. Kate.
Just to prevent any confusion.
I listened too. She sounded like a hostage to me, forced give a convincing speech or her loved ones would be chopped to bits. I can tell the difference.
You do what you want. You probably would have grabbed your shovel and kept digging for a pony if she’d said he was an axe murderer. You aren’t convinced, you’re predisposed, and your statement is disingenous. Have fun being a mindless tool. Join the ranks of the obtuse if you’d like–it’s a shrinking enterprise.
How nice, though, that now I have a place to toss my political donations! I can’t even find a Downticket Dem in my home state that I feel like supporting with my cash. I’ll vote for them, unenthusiastically, but not another dime to them, the DNC or The Pretender to the Throne.
Not that I have a fortune burning a hole in my pocket, but I’m sure every bit helps.
The DENVER GROUP it is!!!
I posted this down thread, but is just as fitting here:
This is a real ethical dilemma: short term versus long term, both are equal in value, it depends how you weigh each one of them.
I trust Hillary even if I don’t know her evaluation of the situation. Many people think having a democrat in the WH is the lesser evil.
I personally value a short term “bad” (McCain WH) is not as damaging in the long run as condoning a rigged election, allowing it to become standard procedure.
Just think: this is not rigging against another party, it’s going against your own. I have no words for my emotions today. I just try to reason and thus find solace that the pedulum will, eventually, turn into the oposite direction. Thank God for people like Heidi Li, Marc, Shtuey, Patsy, Larry, Susan and all those owning their votes, all those who speak up against this corrupt handling of the Primaries by the leaders of the Democratic Party..
I meant Susan unpc, of course
McCain, if he isn’t the man I believe him to be, cannot damage the country the way bush has. For one thing, there will be a Democratic majority in both houses with enouch numbers to actually make a difference. If he tries bush tactics, they will be immediately met with opposition. The reason bush was able to destroy so much was that he has sucha long period of time with a republican run congress and then a congress that was only slightly tilted to the democratic side without enough votes to prevent him from his destruction. McCain won’t have that and will only be able to pass plans that are bi-partisan and appeals to both parites or congress will not let it pass through. McCain can not be bush’s third term because the dynamics are not right.
However, the dynamics are there for obama to easily be bush’s third term and I’m positive that’s what it’ll be. Obama is too corrupt to trust with a position holding that much power.
Having Obama thugs in the Whitehouse and everything they stand for and the jack-boot process they used to get where they are is the worst evil.
It is easy to live with McCain. Living with Obama is betrayal of every ideal I support. No ends justify his means. And I mean MEAN.
I gotta be honest here. Hillarys speech was very moving. If the nominee was anyone other than Obama, I most likely would fall in line. The thing for me is I have been hearing this crapola from Obama for many years(I live in Cook County). It has never been true in the past. He(Obama)has never made good on a single campaign promise. Why would I believe it now? Of course I believe in what Obama says. I am a Democrat after all. I just don’t believe in or frankly believe Obama.It’s like the old saying “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me”. I simply do not believe that Obama has the cojones to actually stand up and fight for anything. IMO an Obama presidency will at best be “ineffectual” and at worst “tragic”. The man has no spine. So still no Obama vote for me.
It sounds like you are part of the problem instead of the solution - what have YOU ever done to change anything in Cook County or anything else?
I am not a politician. So on the grand scheme of things I do not have the capability to do all that much. What I can do, I have done. I take the train to work to cut down on gas use. I pick up trash in my area. Where I live had a shelter for Katrina transplants, I donated my time and money. What have you done?
Also I have not made promises to change anything. I also do not earn my paycheck from other peoples taxes. So huge difference there jackass.
Excuse me? These are not PETTY DIFFERENCES. This is a huge dangerous mistake against democracy and anyone who votes for Obama is voting against democracy. Hillary says what she has to. She’s a professional politician who will do anything to stay in politics. She can’t go anagainst her party like we can. Just stay home. Obama is dangerous. This election was stolen form Hillary. How can you support a thug like Obama?
I make up my own mind. NO ONE tells me how I should vote or who I should vote for. This is still the United States of America and I can vote for who I want. And it is NOT Obama. Get over it!!!!
Gonna wote for McCain because the Dem’s short changing everyone who ever have had faith in that party.
I’m still not voting for the Selected One.
Senator Clinton is one of my favorite speakers, yet I can not do as she asks. There are more than petty differences being shoved in the faces of mainstream Democrats. I want the Democratic party (the one my grandparents knew) BACK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmdhhW-zSeU
This is a link to a Hillary delegate who was interviewed on CNN. She is very passionate and seems to put into words so well the heartache of Hillary’s supporters. She says she will vote for Hillary
I saw this delegate. CNN couldn’t have picked a better person to interview live. I just loved her and felt as though she was speaking for me.
Oh yeah! I saw this live. She was fantastic! Everyone needs to see this.
send it viral everyone. She made me all teary.
I wasn’t too wild about her…mainly because she said she wouldn’t *ever* vote McCain, and even implied that her friends would eventually convince her to go out and vote for Obama.
Best case scenario, she stays home. That’s only half of what McCain needs.
She speaks for all of us Hillary supporters who know the system was gamed and the nomination was stolen from Hillary.
There is no voting…..the system is rigged and anointing someone is not Democracy.
Thank you. Please do it for us and for our country, please. It is not too late.
She spoke beautifully. I hope she doesn’t suffer any consequences from the evil dnc for speaking honestly. God, what a screwed up year. I’m so sad that we’ve lost Hillary.
socalannie …
you “hope she doesnt suffer any consequences from the evil dnc for speaking honestly” ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
You act is if she spoke against BHO. She said about 20 times to vote for BHO. She kissed his black ass … As far as I am concerned she sold out America. She knows how pathetically unqualified and unfit he is to be president. BHO and his campaign staff and supporters and the media dumped all over her and her supporters all during the primaries. so what does she do when its convention time and she is armed with only about 125 less delegates than the messiah, the messiah is tanking in the polls, so she has a legitimate case to make to all the delegates, there is plenty of past people who fought at the convention (ted kennedy is one) and instead of fighting she caves to obama and tells everyone else that donated so much time and money to her, to also cave. Well too bad Hillary I OWN MY VOTE, and I am voting McCain, and will never vote for the fraud, or you if you do decide to run again, to me Hillary is almost as big of a fraud as the messiah….almost
I was referring to the delegate that was interviewed on cnn. Sorry if I didn’t make my comment clear, but it was nested underneath that topic.
What I meant was, I hope the dnc doesn’t pull her out of the convention or something. They (dnc) haven’t been particularly accomodating to Hillary supporters. By the way, I have no intention of (ever) voting for Obama.
JMO8,
Please tell me you didn’t really think Hillary was going to make a speech against Barack 0bama?
No JM08, there is not a Santa Claus.
She did not lie. She said she would support the ticket and that’s what supporting the ticket looks like. She’s doing way more than he would have done, but that’s another conversation.
Frankly, you sound like a misanthrope. I don’t think you liked Hillary any better than 0bama.
I saw this on CNN live, my God this woman was fantastic. I was moved to tears, just to think what could have been….so sad.
…hope the SD see how much better choice Hillary is. Obama needs to get more experience under his belt…he is not ready for prez.
You all, watch the end of that video. Watch real close, she says something about his resume, and that man next to her cuts off the interview saying “Let’s go.”
What was that about? Who was that, cutting off so she couldn’t finish?
It was some guy (partner?) who had his hand on her shoulder the whole time, and it looked a lot like he would have liked to have steered her away from that reporter asap.
Her name is Anne Price Mills, a delegate from Wash state, does anyone know how to get contact information for her?
It was obviously a very emotional moment for her. She had already expressed clearly that she had a lot of concerns about Obama’s readiness to lead. Her friend was just ending the interview, because she was completely breaking down. It was very moving.
Thanks so much for posting this link. I wish I could have been there also, I was crying too and thinking the same things. She was courageous to speak her mind. I give her my deep thanks and appreciation.
Who is that man at the end who cut her off and said “Let’s go.”
There’s no way in hell camp obichobi will be able to call that Hillary supporter racist.
Her name is Anne Price Mills and she is a delegate from Wash state. If anyone has managed to find her email address, please post it here — she deserves a huge thank you for having been so articulate and brave in what she said on CNN.
I found this
annepricemills@yahoo.com
Sorry Obambots but I own my vote and I’m not voting for the One. Nice of you to drop by and pretend to be a Hillary supporter prior to tonights unity speech. I don’t think you’re changing anyone’s mind and if I’m not mistaken the polls are already bearing that out.
DEMOCRACY is petty differences ?
Bingo, Harp!
MO has no personality, couldn’t even produce a fake smile for Hillary.
Actually, MO’s face was an expression of pain, and if there were smile attempts there, they were lost in the pursed and tight expressions locked onto her face.
Do you realize that neither BO nor MO actually connect when they give these big speeches?
I am going to donate to the Denver Group and my John McCain right now!
To paraphrase my favorite film, “Sometimes I miss her so much I can hardly stand it.” Madame President was awesome tonight.
I’m going to enjoy watching the republicans destroy Obama.
Grab the popcorn, and scoot over on the couch…I’m watching with you!
Washington Times, August 27
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/27/radical-tied-to-obama-compared-us-actions-to-911/
Wait for me!!
…we’re going to need a really big couch.
Can I get a seat TOO!!!!
So you will empower the corrupt Democratic Party? I will not under any circumstances. I will vote for McCain and come back with Hillary in 2012. If you put Obama in the WH, he will use the next four years to consolidate his power in the party to assure another four years and then it may too late for Hill.
Please, Susan. Think. Hillary did what she had to do and absolutely no more with passion and loyalty to the party. Bill on the other hand, spoke in code earlier today asking who you’d vote for if you had a candidate who couldn’t deliver on any of your issues vs one who agreed on only some of your issues but could close the deal? Who the hell do you think he meant…yeah, I know he said it wasn’t about right now…hahahahaha
If we do this right, we might actually have a fair election in 2012…and win.
I’m still thinking this through, but here is where my thoughts about voting for BO always stop:
If BO gets in, then the whole rotten caucus, gaming, Chicago-style, etc., system will be locked into the DNC, and who will ever challenge it in the future, or even be able to challenge it?
Also if BO gets in, then the whole US federal governance system becomes vulnerable to what happened to the DNC, and to Illinois — courts, administrative offices, …. Not to mention possible reprisals against Clinton Dems.
My biggest fear is that anyone who is willing to game everyone off the ticket, beginning with Alice Paul and ending, most recently, with Hillary Clinton, is at least as corrupt as Bush, and, I think, even worse in terms of damage to democratic processes. What strikes me is that he would have total control over the whole enforcement arm of the government, so who will be left to watch the watchers? And thinking back over what is known about his political career, has he had _any_ associations that are not deeply questionable in some way?
On the other hand, if BO loses, then there is a real chance to clean up the DNC in time for 2012, and, in the meantime, BO and his gangs will not have had the same access to the US federal system.
My bottom line: Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I would rather risk exposing the US government to McCain’s style of governance than to BO’s style of governance.
Think about it.
Those are exactly my reasons for not voting for BO, not to mention Bush greatly expanded the power of the executive branch and Pelosi led corrupt Dems who were complicit in that. A rubber stamp Congress for this group would be very dangerous.
At last, the Annenberg reports hit the fan!
Delegate on CNN doesn’t like Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGhyIgwaVXA
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That is a FANTASTIC INTERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!
I saw this too. Amazing. I love how precisely she speaks, even though she’s “emotional” (as the interviewer so patronisingly said afterwards). And the analogy with the CEO hire is exactly right.
To give a political party power that is abusive, fraudulent, and holds the public in contempt is only asking for more of the same which they will be glad to oblige. Until the voters make it very clear that preselecting candidates, gaming caucuses and rules committees, and colluding with the media to savage party members and candidates is unacceptable in any way. The elite of the party will continue to act in this manner as long as they are allowed to do so. They must not gain power but loose it. I am not voting for anyone who backs Obama. Ever.
Well put.
Did they say fifty people? 5-0? Never in American politics has such a deluge of protestation occurred. If even up to 75 people vote in November, PUMA will have its revenge! Huzzah!
Ah, such confidence.
So confident that you come here, and whistle past the graveyard.
Troll, paid, or ‘Fraid?
Or all three?
Stand up for your right to say NO DEAL!
I, for one, and five other members of my family will NOT be voting for Obama in November. We simply cannot be accomplices in the damaging of our wonderful, flawed, and democratic country. The DNC does not warrant getting away with fraud and complicity in the dirty corruption laden scumbag named Obama.
Hillary did her job tonight and now we will do ours.
McCain 2008
Hillary 2012
I agree. Annenberg and let’s get those two lawsuits rolling along.
“Monet” just wrote this excellent point under an earlier post.
Friday! The Dems go home and Mac may announce his Veep and steal thunder from the fraud. There will be at least one expose per day.
And so it begins…
Ayers/Obama connection discussed on Greta tonight!
I think this will backfire and just remind borderline voters what they could have with Hillary.
On the bright side….Michelle becomes the new “wicked witch”.
wonder if this one is true this could be more trouble for the one
http://townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/08/26/another_radical_obama_association
Another Radical Obama Association?
by Amanda Carpenter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EcC0QAd0Ug&eurl
Obama and Khalid Mansour
Following Hillary Clinton’s brilliantly executed speech tonight, MSNBC’s Tom Brokaw had this to say in response to a question pertaining to HRC’s most passionate supporters. I’m paraphrasing, but in words to this effect he mentioned that 24 years have gone by since a woman’s name was on the ballot. He went on to say that these dedicated Clinton supporters have got to be asking themselves “If not now, when? If not Hillary Clinton, who?”
The DNC and Nancy Pelosi want to sabotage the roll call because they know dam well who really came in first place. When I heard over the news various roll call scenarios ranging from skipping certain states to aborting the process soon as it looked as if Clinton was gaining ground, I felt like I was living in Castro’s Cuba or in the former Soviet Union.
This whole scam is an outrage. Surely something can be done to stop this train wreck from happening.
The republicans will size on any hanky-panky at the convention and exploit it for all it’s worth. They’ll be comparing Pelosi, Dean, Reid and Obama to third world banana republic dictators.
That Ayres ad is just the tip of the iceberg.
Perhaps Obama/Dean/Pelosi are looking
for a model in Castro and Kim Jong Ill.
Article about roll call:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12851.html
Truly outrageous. The dnc has gone off the rails.
did anyone of you noticed during Hlllary speech tonight….She never once said he’d be a great President. She never once praised his platform or his character….she didn’t talk about his integrity…..she never once mentioned his “great” judgment. She said “we have to support him”……….but she left a lot unsaid as well. We need to be capitalizing on the fact that while she just gave the speech of her life, she only did what the party wanted: Unite the party
Well then, nobody can accuse her of lying.
Yes, Obama is the one who can be trusted. He didn’t take “one dime” of lobbyists money and attacked Hillary for doing so. He took money from lobbyists before a certain cut-off period and then from their wives, children, associates, dogs, whatever. His Wall Street contributions far exceed that of John McCain, and with Biden, the Dems have the financial markets sewn up.
Have you ever wondered what Obama did for his district? Not the ones who benefitted from taxpayers’ monies funneled for campaign contributions such as his patron Tony Rezko. I’ve been trying to find out. What I heard (from politically connected black women who traveled out-of-state to campaign for Hilary), and who are afraid of the Chicago machine so they don’t want to be quoted or otherwise identified said this:
“Obama was in a position to do good, but he did not.”
That is what we can expect. We’ve just had 8 years of an arrogant empty suit. Why does the media want to sell another one? They are selling this Axelrod brand like they sold Bush over Gore, Bush over Kerry, and the Iraq War.
The Hillary delegates are being strong armed. It’s the one who can win the voters in the primary who is the candidate who can win in the General. In spite of all the help that everyone has thrown Obama’s way, the American people see the fraud. The Invesco Vegas theatrics will backfire. We know he loves to read his s
Hope + Change(TM) was Axelrod’s rerun of the Deval Patrick campaign. Patrick is a better speaker off teleprompter and doesn’t have the questionable background, but he lacked qualifications to be governor. That’s why the voters of Mass. weren’t burned twice, they knew how disappointing Hope+Change(TM) could be when the candidate wasn’t qualified.
I love Hillary and hope she becomes POTUS some day.
Tonight, she gave a great POLITICAL speech - not a personal, from the heart “support” for Obama speech.
If she supports Obama, I am the Queen of The Netherlands.
C’mon.
She gave the speech that she needed to give - no more.
I am not going to vote for Obama and just say “oh, it’s okay that the DNC and Nancy Pelosi dissed Hillary and her supporters” - and now we are told to just get in line.
No way - NOBAMA.
McCain 2008
Hillary Clinton 2012
Well it seems like the light has shined down on Susan and she has had her epithany and that voice told her to vote for Barak Hussein Obama. Enjoy the kool aid Susan … I for one put COUNTRY FIRST. I could care less if BHO has a (D) next to his name. He is completly UNACCEPTABLE. I respect Hillarys opinion, and I wish her well in supporting Obama, but I have my own brain, and I am voting for McCain, and furthermore if Hillary does decide to run in 2012 and she starts talking about being a fighter, I for one wont be buying it the second time around. In my mind Hillary knows more than anybody else how UNQUALIFIED BHO is, and instead of fighting until her last breath, she instead SOLD OUT. The way BHO is tanking in the polls, she could have put up a legitmate floor fight. Both Jessie Jackson and Ted Kennedy put up fight, and combined they didnt have anywhere near the # of delegates she had. On the surface he may be closer to the democratic platform than McCain, but Obama is surrounded by people who hate America. He spent 20 years in a anti-american church, and only left when it was politically convenient for him to do so. I could get into Ayers, Rezko, the strong arming the caucases,playing the race card, being raised muslim, infantcide, etc. but I think you get the idea.
But not to worry the Republican attack machine will pull out ad after ad highlighting all of the above, and there is not enough black voters to save him in a general election.
Anyone reconsidering voting for the fraud just because of Hillary’s speech tonight were not very committed to their country or the things Bill and Hillary stood for. Her speech was purely poitical. Consider how he and his gang are suppressing a roll call vote tomorrow because they know the real Presidential nominee would be Hillary. The damn cowards. Obama is nothing but a cowardly Chicago thug who is used to pushing people around and taking what is not rightly his.
Is Hillary really so cynical that she’d knowingly put the country at risk by endorsing Obama or are you just saying that she just exercised bad judgment tonight?
No, she is really savvy knowing that her speech accomplished just the opposite. Clinton supporters got the message within the message and Clinton supporters will make sure that Obama does not make it to the White House.
Wait a minute. Are you now saying that Hillary says one thing and means another? I think that qualifies as answering my question: “cynical”.
For the record, I’m not sure that Hillary is so cynical as to do something like that. She painted a pretty strong picture as to what a McCain presidency would look like. While I disagree with her assessment, I do think she was genuine and was willing to put the country before herself. You don’t?
Troll, paid, or ‘fraid?
Nah, I’m just defending Hillary. I don’t think she’s contributes to this game of deception that nobonomo claims she is playing. I think she is honest and I take her on her word.
Yes, I’m voting McCain because he is the most qualified for the job, but that doesn’t mean don’t respect Hillary’s choice. When she says she supports Obama, I don’t think she’s lying. I just happen to disagree with her choice of candidate.
When will u hateful people look on the inside before judging others. Dangerous for the country? Give us a break. Not to educated are you? Oh…but Barack and Michelle are. Why are you klan-minded folks so intimidated? If the O’s were caucasians like us, you would be singing their praises all the way to November. Wise Up!
yawn. race card troll
Well doc, I gladly yeild the floor to you for more stimulating commentary.
I was very happy that Hillary did not utter one word of praise for Obama. She said vote for him. Period. Nope, sorry, can’t do that.
I’ll be voting for McCain. Sure hope he makes a good VP choice.
I’m voting McCain, too. Then again, I’m a republican. I assume you’ll be cancelling Hillary’s vote in November?
I don’t think Hillary and Bill will vote for Barky. Did you hear what Bill said today?
No, I didn’t. What did he say?
Must be a Hillrod-lover making such a tasteless comment like that. The O’s are good people you will see.
and you would know they are good people because???????
Yes they are good people just ask their good friends Ayers, Dorhn, Rezko, Auchi…. just the people I want hanging around the White House
You sound like a typical obamabot. Republicans don’t come here & bait us.
Believe me, I agree that McCain is a better choice for you guys. Iraq is no longer a huge issue since the Iraqis asked us to leave by 2012. Already the Obama withdrawal plan is about a year shorter than McCain’s and the gap closes all the time. Also, McCain will work very well the democrats, especially with regards to the environment, and I even think he’ll give in on progressive taxation.
I’m a moderate republican, and I don’t think I could have voted for any republican but McCain (or Ron Paul).
My confusion just regards the whole Hillary thing. I would think that, by now, you’d at least recognize a serious lack of judgment in her endorsing someone you consider so dangerous for America.
John Mccain had to endorse GWB even though he knew he was a danger.
Beverly, I’m with you. I was hoping McCain would run as an independent in 2000. He didn’t, and I was disappointed.
The thing is, though, Bush and McCain agreed on the Iraq war. I don’t think McCain saw Bush as dangerous. I think he saw Gore as a tax and spend liberal and wanted to endorse someone who would keep spending down, cut taxes, and balance the budget.
Of course GWB did the opposite of that, but McCain didn’t see that coming.
My point is, however, that Hillary is (in your view, at least) exercising poor judgment. I’d at least be a little upset about it if I had your particular point of view about Obama.
For the record, I like Obama just fine (keep in mind that I am a *moderate* republican). I just prefer McCain because I am more in line with his foreign policy goals. He was right about the surge (even though he was wrong about he war), and he is best equipped to get us out of Iraq and win in Afghanistan. Had Obama been elected in 2004, we would never have turned the situation around in Iraq.
BTW, if it had been Hillary vs Romney, I’d have voted Hillary. I’m not dissing your candidate. I just don’t understand why you don’t think she’s exercising bad judgment for endorsing someone you think is so clearly bad for America.
Does it upset me to hear her endorsing him? Yes, but I think she does so with a knife to her back. I think Hillary knows he will lose, she knows the Republicans will throw all they have at Barky and his straw house will burn. She will come out of this more powerful than ever and will be able to take back the DNC from the thugs. I will watch her in the future and see if this does in fact pan out. If I am wrong I may be disappointed.
How can you not mind barky knowing how dangerous he is?
Beverly,
Well, because I don’t see him quite the same way you do. Keep in mind, I’m a bit more conservative than you, so Barak and Hillary look much the same to me. I’m sure that’s just a function of my distance from the democratic party. I’m sure most democrats think McCain and Romney look the same, even though I would vote McCain and never even think of voting Romney.
Still, from my point of view, Hillary and Barak would both have withdrawn too quickly from Iraq. They both would implement expensive health care plans and funded them through deficit borrowing. They would both appoint activist judges (don’t get me wrong, I’m actually pro-choice, but I dislike the liberal side of the bench when it comes to property rights, which is a larger issue for me).
On the good side, both Hillary and Barak would have promoted alternative energy, improved relations with the European powers, and given sensible tax cuts to the middle class. Of course, I happen to think McCain will do all those things in the end, too. He works well with democrats.
I don’t buy all the clap-trap about Obama being a Muslim or a terrorist, and I don’t generally buy into casting personal aspersions at *any* candidate. My poltical views are almost always about policy.
I guess, the bottom line is that Barak hasn’t done anything to make me *personally* angry. I just think he’s too liberal.
Bush and McCain agreed on the Iraq war, but McCain showed superior judgment from the beginning, and I believe his motives were purer. McCain was right about the war in that Saddam Hussein was a dangerous presence in the region who butchered millions of people.
As for Hillary, she seems committed to going on with her work in the Senate, keeping the party unified and endorsing the Democratic nominee. She said she thinks the Obamas are good people. Maybe she’s full of shit. Who knows? It says more about her than Obama. He has made it clear that it’s her job to bring her supporters on board.
She actually loses credibility this way, but 2012 is four years away. I would vote for her then depending on who runs against her. I’m not a diehard fan. I thought she was the best candidate who could have won this year, but the Dems seemed set against it. I knew them changing their minds was a long shot, but I remained hopeful to the end.
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Obama is a hard core leftist in the mild of Cezar chavez and Fidel Castro! if he is made prez. you will have no vote anymore! The thuggery and intimidation will become unbearable and the Democratic Party we knew and loved will be gone … Replaced by an Obommunist cultocracy. and our beloved nation will soon be no more! I love hillaryand what she stands for and she has no choice here . In order to save our party she MUST show unwavering loyalty to its “nominee” And my unwavering loyalty to our great nation dictates that I MUST now support Mcain to stop this Obommunist putch . HILLARY CLINTON 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I listened to a young lady named Elizabeth Joyce who said she is a member of your group
Just say no deal coalition, As I listened to this young lady I thought the women who fought
To get the vote have to be turning over in there graves, I firmly believe this young lady has taken leave of her senses!! Our country is in SO! MUCH!!! TROUBLE!!!! Because of George Bush and his pals but because Hillary (her candidate) did not get the nomination she will not vote for Obama. I truly wonder
If this young lady understands what’s at stake in this election??? She said she and had not been asked for her vote, though Obam has repeatedly done so in every speech he makes and Hillary herself made the case why we should all vote for Obama what is Obama supposed to do personally kiss her ass and beg for her vote??? Hello???? Gas prices HIGH!! Food prices HIGH!! We have an all time high deficit and in debt to everybody Were in a war we should not be in our kids are dieing or getting badly wounded and on and on! I have seen lunacy before but my goodness!!! This is way off the chart!!
Wake up miss Joyce and get over it!! Hillary is not the person we wanted!!
PS I did hear one other comment just as crazy! The person said if the Hillary people cause us the
Presidency next time she runs we will return the favor!! THAT’S JUST AS CRAZY!!!! What’s in
The damn water!!!!
Please people don’t vote for McCain, it would be better to leave old George in office! And hell!! Though
I honor MaCains service in Viet nam? That does qualify him to be president! If it does?? Hell I’ll run for president I was There too and spent 6 mo’s in the hospital when I got back!!
and Barry Soetoro is qualified to be president why?
So McCain isn’t qualified to be POTUS and Obama is? And didn’t Biden vote for the Iraq war too? So why is he getting a free pass and not Hillary? Also, please don’t appeal for sympathy votes on the backs of the heroic men and women serving in the military. That’s a cheap ploy.
Let me get this straight, you’re saying that voting Democratic is equivalent to swearing lifetime allegiance to the party? Well I’m an Independent who votes Democratic about 80% of the time, and I am not about to commit to a political party, and a crooked one at that.
Well said. Thank you!
No your lunacy is off the charts for supporting a candidate who affiliates with Rev. Wright (who has repeatedly denigrated Hillary) Willliam Ayers, Rezko and the list doesn’t stop there. So please go have your brain checked. You could have had a fighter and sure winner as a candidate but you choose a loser, so on Nov 4th you will only have yourself to look at in the mirror and know your judgement was flawed.
What you are drinking is the problem Robert. If you hadn’t been drinking kool-aide when you should have been paying attention we would not be in the position of having to choose John McCain. You and your fellow cult followers are to blame.
The rest of us are not dumb enough or irresponsible enough to put Barack Obama in office. Are you kidding me? The guy has done NOTHING.
OK, one more time. It is not about Hillary anymore. That train left the station sometime in July!!!
It is about preserving our Democratic principles and reclaiming our party. Sometimes you need to burn the house to the ground in order to rebuild it better.
When the DNC is doing everthing possible and more to prevent my primary vote to be heard and counted without manipulation or intimidation, my response is clear : If my vote means so little to you, I will give it to somebody else comes November.
What’s in the damn water?
It’s not the water that is the problem–it’s what’s in your Kool Aid.
Another paid, afraid troll.
McCain’s five years in a prison camp show he is a man of principle who loves this country. What qualifies him for the presidency is over two decades in Congress as one of the most effective bipartisan legislators in office. He has made a career of irritating the Bush Republicans and conservative base, yet he managed to unify his party and gain their trust and support. The change that Obama promises in some moments is ethics reform and bipartisan cooperation. McCain already has an impressive record than this, and he is progressive.
Obama Hussein Obama is not the person to turn the country around. He has no idea what he is doing. Hillary said Biden is by Obama’s side to run the country. Why????? Obama will NOT do us any good. He pays lip service and is a liar. He has no idea what he is doing and doesn’t know how to clean his own bedroom nevermind run the country..shall I repeat?
Bud- thanks for the report. I love the pic of Hillary & Heidi, and its a relief to hear she will be working to change the dem party.
Lately, the Democratic party has shamefully failed to live up to it’s promise on several fronts. Their abuse of Hillary Clinton is one example. Failing to impeach Bush is another. This party appears to like Obama mainly for the fund-raising machine behind him. You know…money talks. Is there an inherent problem with popular political parties?
Our first president George Washington thought so. He’s on record as hating political parties. I’ve heard it said he even thought they should be outlawed.
For example, here’s his opinion in no uncertain terms from his farewell address
Now I ask you, if I hadn’t told you I was quoting George Washington, who in current events would you have thought I was talking about with that quote?
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P.S. there’s more than one right answer, much more.
That is an interesting bit of history and a great quote. Thank you.
Great quote, and like your name too.
Reminds me of “Abbie someone, Abbie Normal” from Young Frankenstein.
You know, for a group who constantly criticizes the “Hope” mantra, you guys sure love riding it into the sunset.
We’re not riding it into the sunset, we are driving it over a cliff.
The DNC wanted to play games, now they are going to get what they so richly deserve…a bag, fat, earthshaking loss!
Because that’s what happens when you tell your base to f*ck off!
YOU LOSE!
When you accuse people who worked hard for civil rights of being racists…YOU LOSE!
When you scrap your party’s ideals in exchange for pap and a blank resume…YOU LOSE!
DEMOCRATS ARE GONNA LOSE BECAUSE THEY WANTED A SHORTCUT TO SUCCESS AND A NOMINEE THEY COULD CONTROL.
Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Donna Brazile…when they go down I’ll vote Democrat again and not a moment before.
Hillary distorted McCain’s environmental policies, tonight. He combines clean energy and innovative solutions with domestic drilling and clean nuclear energy. It’s a far more comprehensive policy than Obama’s, and just as green.
Hillary got that one wrong.
dufus troll. can’t they send us the intelligent ones?
The drilling argument is a red herring.
First the oil companies don’t have a burning desire to drill domestically; they have instead a burning desire to repeal environmental regulation. Don’t take my word for it, ask the Eskimos.
Second, even if we gave leases to oil companies for every acre in America where anyone ever thought there was oil, why does anyone believe that will reduce the price at the pump?
Without going into extensive detail, start with this. Note that under the CURRENT conditions, we’ve just heard news of oil company quarterly profits, which are greater than any in history.
Follow the money on that, and then see if anyone can come up with a believable argument that drilling leases will lower our retail fuel cost.
I think it would be interesting to give away a bunch of leases, with a cancelation clause, requiring actual drilling to take place within a reasonable time. This would call their bluff.
Betcha’ dollars to doughnuts the gas price still wouldn’t go down.
ybnormal,
I agree about the motivations of the oil companies. I don’t want oilmen running the country, and I voted against GWB both times, even though I am a (moderate) republican.
Second, I agree that pump prices won’t go down in the short term, and won’t go down much (the estimate is 2-5 cents) even in the long term. Nevertheless, every barrel of oil we drill domestically is a barrel we don’t buy from the Middle East. My reason for supporting drilling has to do with national security, not my short term commuting needs.
As T. Boone Pickens says, we need to do it all. We need wind, solar, nuclear, and oil. McCain supports all the alternative energy policies that Obama does (despite what Hillary said today), he just adds domestic drilling and nuclear power. By the way, Obama and Pelosi have both backed down on the drilling issue, so you’re getting it whoever you vote for.
As for your final bet…you win. Oil won’t go down at all (in the long run) no matter what we do. It’s a dwindling resource, which is all the more reason why we should explore and drill where we can find it to help buy time for viable alternative energy.
No, he’s right. She also talked about responsible domestic drilling like it was the Dems idea to begin with and like Pelosi weren’t trying to block it. She is keeping her promise and campaigning for Obama but as if she were campaigning for herself.
I think she is. At the end of the day, I think Hillary knows how to put country ahead of ambition. Besides, just as Obama needs her, she would need his half of the party in any future election.
Worse than any Communist country I lived in for 30 years. I just can’t believe this could happen in USA.Don’t forget, many ex communist countries are following this election and WE look like some unexperienced third world jojo’s. It’s not a good image.
The loss of appearing as the shining example of Democracy and Freedom for the world creates a deafening sound.
The shock of it being trampled on by the party of the people is only too ironic.
This is over for me now. I’m leaving No Quarter. Good luck to all of you. I am following Hillary’s lead, and will try to help beat McCain. I think that’s what is best for the country, for my family, and for the future of my kids.
hahahahaaa…yeah, we are sure gonna miss this particular screen name. See ya tomorrow, troll.
K, well bye-bye, you paid obambot, trying to sneak in here… you don’t fool anyone but yourself.
“Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie, Clinton Supporters for McCain, sweetie,“
Obot, Go away with your UNITY pony blah..blah..blah! Go take a hit of the HOPE Bong!! Oh, and don’t let the door hit you where the sun don’t shine!!
Hey Becky_22 Hillary just called me and wanted me to relay this message to you. She said to go jump off the highest bridge you can find. Because Hillary said to do this I am assuming you are already out the door. Nice knowing you! Have a nice trip.
Yeah, because, like, I’ve seen you AROUND HERE so much, cheering on Clinton in the past, that all of us will join hands and sob at your departure…..NOT.
That was probably the most idiotic “Goodbye, Cruel World” comment from someone noone here fucking knows that I’ve seen in some time.
Get lost, you fucking troll. Don’t let that door hit you on the way out.
And don’t come back under YET ANOTHER bullshit screen name, asshole.
Now that’s not very nice, is it? Hell hath no fury like a PUMA scorned. Good thing there are fewer and fewer of you every day.
In direct correlaition to more and more McCain supporters appearing to say ,”No to Obama!” perhaps.
Your guy is sliding. It seems the lemming-like Obamabots are the ones that are dwindling.
In direct correlation to more and more McCain supporters appearing to say ,”No to Obama!” perhaps.
Your guy is sliding. It seems the lemming-like Obamabots are the ones that are dwindling.
Oh troll..phshaww..”following Hillary’s lead? coough cough..you’ve been in the tank for Obama since day one..blow it out your arse you liar!
How is Obama going to lead the U.S. and the free world if he cannot lead the Democratic party to unity?
Why do Obama’s supporters come here to taunt? Here’s a thought: You vote your way; we’ll vote our way. We can all be friends even if we vote differently for POTUS.
Do Obama supporters care about down-ticket Dem. candidates?
Obama supporters: Since you guys insist on coming here, why not help us identify good down-ticket Dem. candidates to support instead of taunting us about how we vote for president? I think that would be considerably more productive and amicable.
This is how Obama’s mentor Emil Jones (who padded BO’s ILL resume to get him into the US Senate) works to create unity:
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Hillary Delegate called An Uncle Tom.
DENVER–An African-American woman who is an Illinois delegate for Sen. Hillary Clinton maintained today that Senate President Emil Jones, a mentor of Sen. Barack Obama, called her an “Uncle Tom” at the Illinois hotel for the Democratic National Convention.
Earlier today, Jones, a veteran African-American legislator who is resigning at the end of his term in January, denied using the racial slur and said he referred to Clinton delegate Delmarie Cobb as among the “Doubting Thomases” who should embrace Obama’s candidacy as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.
“Clearly that’s not what he said,” Cobb said, adding that Jones shouted the slur to her across the lobby of the Marriott hotel the delegation is staying at on Saturday night.
“When I went back to him and asked what he said–I said, ‘Excuse me, what did you say?–he grabbed me by the shoulders and laughed,” she said. “He didn’t say anything. I asked, ‘Did you call me an Uncle Tom?’ He never said anything. At that point, I proceeded to call him a few things. Then I walked away.”
Cobb said the comments from Jones reflect the pressures that have been placed on African-American women who backed Clinton’s candidacy against Obama in the extended Democratic primary season.
“There’s this feeling out here that we’ve somehow betrayed the race,” Cobb said. “The attitude (from Obama supporters) is that they’re going to beat you into submission and make you admit you were wrong for supporting Hillary.”
She said, as she did in the 1988 contest, she evaluated which candidate had the best record for advancing the causes of African Americans. A decade ago, she said, it was Rev. Jesse Jackson.
“I used the same litmus test and this time it happened to be Hillary Clinton. I feel confidant and have no shame whatsoever. It’s not like she was an insignificant candidate,” Cobb said.
Cobb, who intends to cast her nominating vote for Clinton, said a representative of Obama’s campaign has contacted her and want to talk.
“When the question of why Hillary Clinton supporters aren’t coming over (to Obama) and jumping up to joy comes up, this is not an isolated incident. This has been going on for months now. Now, here we are. Be gracious in victory.”
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/clinton_backer_obama_mentor_sl.html
Hill’s speech electrifed me! No unity, just give it to her!
…so you disagreed with her speech, right?
Did you see the screen name used?
The remark was ironic.
The delegate who was interviewed was very inspiratioinal and right on with regard to the fantastic presidential speech Hillary gave tonight.
I do believe the man that cut her off was acting in HER BEST INTEREST so she wouldn’t get into any more trouble from the DNC and be stripped of her credentials and Obama thugs waiting to pounce on her once off the air on the way home.
YES, this is being done I am told.
The corupt DNC MUST NOT continue in the coruption and allow the delegates to vote for who they were sent there to vote for, and the Super Delegates must vote for the most electable candidate no matter what, and after seeing the latest polls, the Ayers connection, the chance that lawsuit on his eligibility is allowed (depends if judge is honest or not to allow and ask for discovery), after hearing about the cacus frauds etc. etc., the DNC had best not continue in there fraudulent roll call tactics or a crowd much bigger than they are seeing there today may materialize and a class action suit with some intelligent lawyer just may overthrow any nomination of Obama. If 18 milllion people contribute $10.00, I think we could afford the best attorney in the country to take the DNC to task for the corruption they are embarking on here with the selected one.
Hillary hit it out of the park tonight. Go Hillary, Go Bill,
I love your screen name!
One more thing.
The lady delegate interviewed on CNN tonight said that “Hillary did what she was asked to do tonight, now Barak needs to step up and do what he needs to do”
I hope she means that after seeing a real presidential leader speak tonight that he realizes that SHE should be the nominee and NOT himself and that He SHOULD STEP DOWN FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY.
I SECOND THAT.
No vote? REALLY?
No wonder those steel cages were installed.
What Hillary did last night was to show the amateurs how it’s done.
If she had said what the pundits on Fox pointed out that she didn’t say - praise Obama, say he’s commander-in-chief material, no one would have believed her. She soared, and never lied.
By delivering a perfect speech perfectly, she left the democrats realizing what they could have had, and said to Obama, Dean, Pelosi, Reed and Brazile, the ball’s in your court now. You bought him. You own him. His defeat will be on your shoulders, not mine.
I was amazed at how much time CNN gave to the Clinton delegate, Ann Price Mills. She spoke for all of us. It’s up to Obama now; but she already knows he can’t convince her to vote for him.
Hillary was wonderful. She is my Hero. I will never ever vote for Obama. The DNC have given us John McCain for four more years. Then Hillary 2012!
Hilary’s speech wasn’t “purely” political. It would be easier for her to work with a democratic administration than a republican one. That is true and that is what she said. However, Obama isn’t electable. That is also true and so here we are sports fans. Unless McCain really screws up beyond belief, Obama cannot be elected.
John McCain/Sara Palin don’t miss It!
Hillary is so humorous. Hillary didn’t lose. America lost by kicking the winner, Hillary, out of the game. America loses again. IDIOTS!