Current ArticleBy Charles Lemos on September 5, 2008 at 11:00 AM in Current Affairs
On Motherhood & Politics
On Hillary Clinton & The Perceived Whine
On Sports & Being a Beauty Queen
On Corruption in Alaska
From my blog, By The Fault.
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BREAKING: McCain poised to beat Obama in total views for each candidate’s nomination acceptance speeches:
http://www.tvweek.com/news/2008/09/mccain_tv_ratings_beat_obama_i.php
This is AWESOME news. If this many people watched McCain, look for even more of a jump in the polls for The American Hero.
Yes!
EDIT: ‘Viewers,’ not ‘views.’
Obama made a nomination speech?
McCain already within 4 points in Gallup tracking, which was done mostly before the speech.
The latest Rasmussen poll has it down to one point. And this was done entirely before McCain’s speech last night.
Palin is awesome and these videos show it. That’s why the pro-Obama blogosphere and cable networks are in a tizzy. i am only saddened by the fact that the Dems may have permanently denied Hillary by blocking her nomination at this time.
jrterrier,
How sad. Hillary’s policy positions, intelligence and far-wider-reaching understanding of how legislative changes can help girls and women all over the world….
Sarah is far more limited in her world-view. She’s okay at teh local level, but there’s no way Sarah can compete with HIllary’s depth and intelligence.
We know Hillary and Sarah Palin is no Hillary!
Why did Paliln try to diminish the very REAL SEXIST ABUSE suffered by Hillary.
Does Sarah find it less hurtful now that she and her family are being demolished?
Would Sarah like to go back and revisit her statement about ‘WHINING ABOUT SEXISM”
Hope Sarah learned her FEMINISM 101 lesson!
This is great news indeed although the Obammunistbots are already claiming that McCain’s large numbers of viewers at the RNC convention was only because Democrats also tuned it to watch LMAO
They are also claiming that no Republicans watched the DNC convention so those numbers are just reflecting the Democrats that tuned in and why they could be lower. Damn, they are also mind-readers now…how else can they be so sure that no Repubs watched Obammunist spew his spiel at Invesco field.
The insanity of TheMessiah’s cult followers continues…
No McCain. No Obama. hillary 2012!
Move on John… Hillary has. You aren’t helping her any.
This isn’t about Hillary anymore… It’s about AMERICA.
Are you pushing for a 3rd party candidate? If so, then state it.
Yes. 2012 for Senator Clinton is a must. However, this is 2008 and the DNC proved it doesn’t give a rat’s ass for Women in Power, just women to support the Male of their choosing.
I will tolerate Palin but I do not like Mooselady and her condescending comments about Hillary. I am sure she doesn’t enjoy the taste of the same sexist attacks these past few days. I hope she has learned her lesson before commenting on Hillary.
I know repugs on this site proclaim how much they love Mooselady. I can only tolerate Palin, but I LOVE HILLARY!!!
HILLARY ‘12!!!
HILLARY, ALWAYS!!!
I get it Lochos. I think 2008 will go down in history as the year the Democrats embraced sexism, and the Republicans finally acknowledged it exists.
Sarah Palin will never be Hillary Clinton, but I’m loving her poking her female finger in Barky’s eye.
Agree with you. And I didn’t think that this site was a cheerleading site for McCain/Palin; I thought it was an anti-Obama site and all views against Obama are welcome.
IA. I don’t like her telling Hillary to work harder, as if Hillary weren’t already working 3X as hard just to get half the credit. Nothing pisses me off more than someone suggesting to me that I do something I’m already doing! One could say some of the things in her speech were whiny. I will still vote for her, and she will quickly learn that not calling a spade as spade gives a free pass to the source of the “ism” (ism, ism
Besides, Hillary wasn’t whining, just answering someone else’s question.
Agreed. Hillary didn’t whine and nobody can say she didn’t work harder. No other woman in this country has been gang banged by the good old boys the way Hillary was, and with so little defense.
Agreement here as well. I sort of was taken aback by Sarah’s comments about Hillary.
Sarah could just have easily said she can understand why Hillary reacted the way she did because of horrible way she has been and is still being treated.
Sarah’s speech, while funny and sometimes spot-on could be seen as whining. She talks about moving above it, but her whole speech was about reacting to the accusations of the Obama camp and the media.
Vote for McCain/Palin if you must – But do not turn on Hillary and remember:
Sarah Palin was never and will never be Hillary Clinton. Don’t confuse them, or project what you saw in Hillary onto Sarah. They are not the same.
With that being said, I thought this was an Anti-Obama site anyway. Let’s make Obama lose on his own accord, not because we have to push for McCain/Palin.
As soon as the election is over and if Obama loses, we have to start campaigning for Hillary. It will be a lot harder if we all have been seen as McCain/Palin supporters, I think.
Try to keep in mind this was before Palin joined the ticket. She is a politician and hence must present herself. I don’t see her ever presenting herself as the victim so she played that up. She’s from Alaska so she does have to make the most of her chances and that means going over the top at times.
But now that she is with McCain I’ll bet he won’t tolerate any such comments about Hillary unless Hillary fires first.
Blue Topaz
Hillary never “whined” Why is Sarah saing this.
could it be that now, after being recipeint of all the abuse by media and obamabots she’s changed her small neanderthal mind?
Sarah sounds like a real Republican!
Sarah should apply to work for Obama. He, too doesn’t see Sexism.
PALIN SHOULD RESTATE THE WHINING STATMENT…NOW THAT’S SHE’S THE VICTIM OF HER CRITICISMS
I’m with you, Lochos. Doesn’t Sarah Palin get that she’s standing on Hillary’s shoulders? or is she also narcissistic enough to believe that she would have been chosen even if Hillary hadn’t run on the Democratic side?
She needs to tread carefully. It’s not a done deal. She has solidified their base, but we all know that they need other voters to win. So it’s not enought to say
“With all due respect to Hillary”, then proceed with a snarky criticism. First of all Hillary has been subjected to sexist comments for a lot longer than Sarah Palin if only because she’s been in the game longer.
Like Bob Marley (and my Dad) used to say: Who feels it, knows it.
Joanie in Brooklyn
THANKS. Sarah is being snarky and ungrateful.
She should apologize to Hillary for these ungracious comments!
How does she feel now that she’s receiving all that crap from the Obamabots?
republicans like to think they’re tough.
NOONE’S AS TOUGH AS HILLARY! or as intelligent or as compassionate.
Sarah doesn’t care about Universal Health care. She doesn’t believe a raped or incensed 10-year old child should not be forced to raise another child! Nope.
WHEN DID SARAH MAKE COMMENT ABOUT HILLARY’S WHINING????
date of recoding please!!!!
I share your admiration of Hillary – but – I wonder, if you reread what you wrote, if you can see that it is the same kind of stuff that Obots write about AdolfObama.
I bet that is not what you intend.
I agree, people need to remember Hillary never made one comment about her abuse until WomenCount Pac started up and placed ads in USA Today and NYT. It was at that time that Hillary made her comments about the sexist media. And I might recall she spoke about how women were treated not how she was treated.
I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. Neither silver spoon, second generation politician appealed to me. There’s nothing in the world wrong with voting for Ralph Nader if you are a democrat who is disgusted with Obama.
Oh YOU are responsible! WE got Bush instead of Gore… Now we will get barky instead of McCain…
Your vote IS your own… BUT protest votes are worthless in the REAL world
You have no idea where s/he voted. Outside of FL and to a lesser degree NH, the Nader vote did not matter one iota (Gore did win the popular vote and the other swing states didn’t change with Nader’s tally). Even so, Gore still won; though his campaign was inept (Brazile) particularly in the FL re-count and the SCOTUS had to give Bush the Presidency.
This time, any vote not for Obama helps McCain, except those for Bob Barr (believe his voters would normally vote for Republican). Even in swing states, it is ok to vote Nader, Green, no one at the top of the ticket, etc. (please don’t stay home, vote down ticket), if you would have voted Democratic. Sure, a vote for McCain is a stronger vote against Obama, but, the others are good enough.
Nader took repub money to campaign in FL. It was suggested to ralph to work for his 5% in very red states so as not to hurt Gore in electoral votes. He followed the money, and 8 years later……. he’s still an asshole.
Everyone’s vote is their choice. Gore lost because 0donna convince him that campaigning with Bill was a bad idea. Kerry lost because he couldn’t stand up to the smear.
come on. If Gore had just won his own state, he’d have been president. He mistakenly distanced himself from the Clintons, and failed to show Bush up in the debates, and he LOST.
What about Cynthia McKinney?
i would vote McCain if I lived in a swing state just to destroy the evil DNC, but since I live in a solidly blue state, I have the luxury of voting for a black Woman.
Well, I live in a pretty solidly red state but one that many have considered “in play” because of Barry’s skin color. Alabama has a sizable AA population and any sort of major increase in AA voter registration could actually swing the state into the Democratic column in spite of the fact that since the ratification of the 24th Amendment and the passage of the Civil Rights Act, only ONE Democrat has managed to take Alabama’s popular and electoral votes (that was Carter in 1976) and only one other non-GOP candidate has done so (that was Wallace in 1968). Even Bill Clinton, the best President for African-Americans, couldn’t manage to take the state in 1992 or 1996 (and in both years, Perot was responsible for peeling off more votes from the GOP than the Dems).
What I saw as a pretty strong suggestion that Alabama will remain in the GOP column is that the combined total of the Democratic primary vote for the US Senate was still considerably smaller than the vote for the GOP winner’s vote (and he only got a bit over 90% of the GOP primary vote). And the strongest candidate (and primary winner) on the Democratic side was an African-American woman.
I voting for the Green party, too. I’m in a solid Blue state, too.
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YOU ARE A DAMN REPUBLICAN BOT and get the truth out boy!
I’ve watched you Trolling around speaking up for McCain.
So, sjctx is A REPUBLICAN OBAMABOT TROLL!!
Do not respond to this sicko who’s tellling John (probably same bot) to forget about HIHllary
YOU TROLLS ARE REALLY DUMB, AIN’T YOU jerks!
I have to say, it bothers me a great deal that Hillary is now being used as a tool to beat the Palin popularity. Some may say it’s political but dang, I would like to see integrity come out from Hillary. Barry and his minions crapped on her and called her a bitch throughout the primary, now she’s their hero? She’s not good enough to be on Precious’ VP ticket but good enough to be his little attack dog? What’s wrong with that picture, really.
don’t worry vinnie, its not going to work. Women are smarter than that.
I will be VERY suprised if Hillary comes out and ‘puts down’ Sarah Palin… If she does, she will lose ALOT of respect from people who supported her in the primary. She is smarter than that and knows how risky that could be. But… that said, it is DISPICABLE that obassole is USING her this way. The man is a PIG and most of the DNC. I wish she would just tell him to F.O.! The fact that she hasn’t, speaks volumes to her character. She can make or break this election for the Dems… But so can WE. We don’t have to play the game as she does. Women and men (sorry guys), KNOW this. We won;t be fooled. We won;t forget come Nov.
Hillary has to take back the Democratic Party from Obama you moron. She has to continue to maintain the appearance of a loyal Democrat.
So it is okay to have her help put a thug in the White House for appearances?
She might want at least a THUG who will not veto bills…pragmatic she has always been
Right on. I was a huge Hillary supporter but watching her at this point is driving my support away from her. I understand why she would choose to go out there for Obama on a political level, but believing that she knows how horrible he would be for the country – saving her own political future is sickening to watch. I feel like she’s selling out. Makes me want Palin all the more. At least she seems to stand on principles. (I may not agree with her positions visa vie abortion – but I respect her integrity- where the heck is Hillary’s? If Hillary goes after Palin there will be blow back from some of the 18 mil.
Exactly Hanna. Exactly. Hillary KNOWS how to play politics AND get things done. I will ALWAYS respect her for who she is and what she stands for. But I also am wanting to trust her and will wait to hear what she says before I abandon hope. Look at the strained and veiled speeches she has given since June…
Hillary is a politician. So is Palin. They both have my utmost respect as strong intelligent women…
Hillary promised on the beginning of the primaries, when everybody told her to quit, because she is damaging Obama, that she would campaign for Obama.
She is keeping her promise. Even if it hurts. This is what makes her better than the Chicago style politicians.
Stop trashing her.
She also said that McCain had the experience to lead, but not Obama.
McCain also went out of his way (at least a little) to say nice things about her. If she really goes after him in favor of Obama then its not country first but Hillary first.
I dont agree that it is all about Hillary’s career for Hillary. In some ways the politicos have much less luxury to voice their private opinions than any of us do. For most of us here this election is about country first, not the political party that feels co-opted. But Hillary is far more deeply entrenched in the Party, what she going to do – want to end up like Lieberman with no real pull or sway?
I dont think Palin was trying to trash Hillary either, she made these comments before she became the VP nominee. She was I think trying to send a message, that you can see very clearly from her background, is one of women playing hard ball and needing dare I say it – No Quarter! As we know Hillary is one tough fighter, but she is also a very, very experienced diplomat, so she chooses very carefully what she says and does. The comments that Hillary made at the time about msm sexism were made because many of her supporters were asking her to acknowledge it, and because there were a few articles about it, (a very few maybe) I dont think Palin is trying to play down Hillary at all – better not! or she will not get my support!!
Hillary doesn’t owe Palin a thing. Don’t you dare go on Hillary, asshole.
For me, the most important thing is for Hillary to remain intact to defeat McCain and Palin in 2012. You can count on that.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Hillary has to support the DNC candidate or she will have absolutely no way of winning the next battle. Come on people, we knew this was going to happen. She can’t run as an independent and expect to win and she certainly can’t run as a Republican. Please, save your anger and disappointment for Obama, he’s the one that has helped destroy the DNC, it’s Hillary that is trying to keep it together so that she can win in 2012. Obama’s going to lose the election anyway.
Hang in there, remember how much we hated disloyalty. Lets not eat our own.
Thank you for saying this cleffnote.
If she just shills for the Obama because the party wants her to, its going to be damn hard for her to pretend to be independent later on and attract republican voters.
Do you really think, with all the behind scenes stuff that the DNC will really get cleaned out in 4 years. What she needs to do is get all her supporters and start a new 3rd party – that way she keeps her ethics and dignity intact.
Come on guys…Hillary IS a politician..and a GREAT individual..but she has to work within the system
No trashing of Hillary here…come on..keep focused..don’t turn into rightwinger nuts
I don’t buy this “huge Hillary supporter, but,” crap! Hillary Clinton is doing exactly what she said she would do and she is doing it the right way, with issues. I have not seen any personal attacks (in fact, she has acknowledged Palin respectfully).
Stop this “saving her own political future” at the expense of Country mantra! Hillary and Bill Clinton have done more for our Country than any of the the others combined, and that is only the tip of the iceberg of what they have accomplished. If she were to break with Obama, the dogs would be unleashed against her and her supporters and you could forget about any good coming from that!
don’t buy this “huge Hillary supporter, but,” crap!
- I’m not buying it either alexei.
It should be obvious to anyone that Hillary would never use personal attacks on Palin. Policy issues is something different altogether.
Hillary is going to go out to campaign FOR the
Democratic agenda, which includes many of the
things she campaigned on. She can campaign against the McCain-Palin ticket without seeking
to personally attack either. Obama has Biden
that was his choice. They will win or loose on their own merit. Today, I’m sure there are alot
of Democrats second-guessing what’s happened up
til now. But, we are where we are. Hillary can’t be expected to WIN it for them too! Besides, OB has Claire, Nancy and all the rest of his female devotees.
I have no problem with Hillary keeping faith
with what she knows will be important: downticket Democrats to get the agenda passed. A veto proof senate. Especially, if there is a McCain-Palin victory.
HILLARY 2012
hannah
are you sure you didn’t watch the above tapes of Sarah bashing HIllary and calling Hill a “whiner”?
How does it feel now that Ms Alaksa is being abused by the Obamabots? She should apologize or at least acknowledge what she’s been through!
Palin is not feminist! She’s there for herself and pull yourself up by the bootstraps. Hell with Unniversal Helath care for other people’s kids. Great me-me-ness just like the moron Obama!
this Election: Vote 3rd Party if not in red state.
No real choice – Palin is a Maggie Thatcher of the Repugnants!
Obama is a fool
No real choice this election! Don’t be fooled!
Lots of repub/obambi Trolls on this site! incredible!
It strikes me that there is a hidden agenda here, and that is to set two women against each other so some men can yell “Catfight! All these women can do, get out their claws!”
If that Mack Daddy (a perfect description, thanks Pastor Manning) Obabywhine is going to pimp Hillary, I hope she can turn it against him by:
1. Going against McCain and ignoring Palin.
2. Talk about issues only, in a general way.
3. Avoid mentioning the big 0 by name and talk about the “Democratic Ideals” or something like that that cuts him out of the reflected glory.
4. Keep wearing orange!
That would be the PEFECT stratgey!!!
I like how you think.
perfect strategy
Spot on. There is no need to send a woman to fight another woman. Obama and Biden should be able to do it on their own. All they have to do is avoid patting her on her pretty little head and pretending she’s just a beauty queen. If they stick to the issues, they shouldn’t suddenly need Hillary. They’d rather get a catfight going. It is as absurd as if John McCain had to get an AA surrogate to take on Obama.
Annie Oakley – ha ha that is so funny, never thought of that
mmmm! I like it too! very well said!
WHY DON’T WE GET RID OF THESE NOXIOUS TROLLS ON THIS SITE!
REPUBLIBOTS AND OBAMABOTS are having a heyday
CLEAN OUT THE TROLLS!!!!
larry get rid of these intrusions.
Okay, that was the first time I’ve seen the “Hillary Whine” clip. I believe Palin is right with her statement. As women we have to often bury that instinct in order to accomplish the greater good. Many ‘o many times I have swallowed hard to not break out in tears. I do not allow myself to use that natural instinct of nagging my husband to get things done. I play the game in a manner that brings me a better outcome.
Palin obviously didn’t mean it as an insult.
I don’t think she meant it as an insult, however, she also said it as someone who had not experienced what Hillary was going through. Now she has, and she has a whole party to stand up for her, something Hillary never had. So how would she fare without the support of her party with the media onslaught she has been recieving? We don’t know, but I can guess she is rethinking her statement now that she has an idea of the unbelievable pressure Hillary faced.
I think we have all swallowed hard not to break into tears and I’m not sure what nagging a husband has to do with the conversation, but o.k. Hillary is a Pioneer and a pioneer makes it experiences and deals with difficulties so all who come after have it easier. So let’s pay that the respect it is due, instead of trying to pretend Hillary “whined” over an office fight.
It was in regards to that instinctual emotional side of ours. Akin to a male sex drive I suppose.
And I do agree with your opinion in regards to the timing of the video and party support. Being that two of the DNC powers are women, you would think they would have approached the situation differently.
Thank You beverly. In this particular video Palin was wrong.
Yep, dead wrong and condescending! Her other videos answers were pretty good and this is coming from someone who doesn’t support her.
I agree, she was wrong.
I’m not going to get caught up in the hype and not speak the truth.
The question should be why is Obama sending out women to attack Palin? Can’t he fight his own battles? What is wrong with Biden? It is their damn problem.
Some democrat men did try to stand up for Hillary, but the howling mob came after them screaming RACIST. It was so bizarre that it shut down the Hillary defense forces.
Palin’s defenders benefit from the fact that the American people have had long enough to reflect on the stupidity of the claim that Bill Clinton is a racist. Now when Obama supporters scream RACIST at every criticism folks roll their eyes.
Exactly.
The racist charges stung when they were first launched, deep down, we knew that Bill wasn’t a racist, but the charge came as such a shock, we had to step back for a minute, and ask ourselves, “Were we wrong about Bill?”
But the dust settled, we saw his work in Africa, we already knew about his work in African-American communities, and we finally saw how low-down Obama was.
The people defending Palin really do benefit from the fact that the American public is hip to Obama’s game, and we aren’t going to fall for that anymore.
Thank you for your comments. I hope Palin learned her lesson with the sexism she received these past few days, and not to take a haughty air with the struggles and attacks Hillary received during her campaign.
Hillary ‘12!!!
I am SURE Sarah Palin would never have said that today. Western women have always been shielded somewhat from the entrenched eastern sexism.
I am sure Ms. Palin’s eyes were opened, BIG TIME.
I am not sure because I don’t know Sarah Palin. I suspect she wouldn’t even if it is just political, because I do believe that she has good political instincts (that’s a compliment, I love politics and admire good politicians, no matter what political stripe).
Like I did with Obama, I want to know more about Palin. I hate this “fresh face bursting on the national scene” line – that signals to me that the Parties don’t want a messy paper trail and just want to snowball the voters. That said, I am not saying that Palin cannot be up for the job, just that I know almost nothing about her, except, the issues she purports are mostly antithetical to mine.
I agree with you Beverly.
Clip is rather stupid. Why isn’t the commment from Hillary included in the clip? Why just begin with Palin’s comment without letting us know what the hell she’s even responding to.
Palin does say “perceived whine” so I’ll give her credit for that.
Voting mcCain. Not thrilled about it. But very thrilled to see Barry get what’s coming to him.
Nobama.
That describes most PUMAs I know.
Just think of the vote as an anti-Obama vote, not one for McCain/Palin. It lessens the pain.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Yup, this just about sums it up. I’d vote for Pat Buchanan before Barky.
Yeh, voting McCain and not thrilled about it, but I do believe that any vote for another candidate is a vote for Obarksalot
I like Sarah very much, she really boosted the Republican brand – overnight I might add.
The Perceived Whine – is part of the problem. Keyword: Perceived.
My PERCEPTION of how Hillary ran her campaign and indeed all of her campaigns is that she continually RISES ABOVE THE FRAY – almost to the point of absurdity.
I recall her calling out the media for their sexism/misogyny ONCE – maybe TWICE. And, that was only after months upon months of bruising abuse at the hands of the media and her own party.
The question itself shows bias. We need to be more vigilant about how issues, particularly women’s issues that affect us, are “framed”.
Sarah Palin is a very likable new politician. She may well be our next President. However, her rise is due in part to the direct “slipstream” effect of Hillary’s primary race. (It reminds me of how Jason Lezak managed to pull off that win in the men’s swimming relay race in Beijing.)
Hillary may never live down her role as ’scapegoat’ where both parties, male and female feel justified in dumping on her no matter how small the slight.
She may never run for office again, if she feels supplanted by her younger Republican counterpart who has in 6 short days achieved iconic status without the so-called high negatives.
But she will go down in history as the first woman to win primary races – and the first person to receive the most votes of any politician ever.
She has paved the way for Sarah – in short order.
And, you know it took a few years for the Williams sisters to credit Billie Jean King for her groundbreaking work to boost women’s tennis.
SP could stand to drop the “Yes, she did whine” from her repertoire.
You all are forgetting a very important fact:
That Palin’s remark is based entirely on the msm perception that Hillary whined. The msm called Hillary a whiner and they called us that as well.
Hillary commented I think once about the coverage being slanted. Her supporters protested the msm overt bias and we were all labeled as such.
I refuse to wear that label. I have every right to point out media bias. For example, I never cared that they asked Hillary tough questions, I only cared that they NEVER asked 0bama any.
To date, no one in the media has asked 0bama tough questions about his lie that Ayers was “just a guy in his neighborhood” and call him on his involvement with the Annenburg Challenge and his work with Ayers.
Now that’s media bias and no one can call me a whiner for pointing that out.
And that’s just one example.
Palin’s comments are colored by the media’s perception. I bet if the McCain allowed her to respond to that question now after having experienced what she did, she would answer differently.
0bama is in this predicament because he didn’t demand an end to media sexism. He could have warned the media to lay off the sexism and only deal with the issues. He said nothing because he was enjoying and exploiting the Hillary bashing.
Hence, he’s in the situation he finds himself in today. And I don’t feel sorry for him.
And the media is in this situation because they continue not to play fair.
If they start asking 0bama hard questions, I can’t complain about them asking Sarah ones too.
All we want is fairness.
But the msm is determined to get 0bama elected.
Which is why I no longer watch them. They have zer0 credibility.
Stacy, I don’t think Sarah meant to demean or insult Hillary.
This is a frequent opinion (I used to hold too), that women should swallow their just dissapointment and go on for the larger good.
This is the opinion that keeps abused women silent in their marriage, for the larger good of the family.
This is a myth that the abusers want us to sign up for, so they can continue the abuse.
Our society has learned not to discriminate against blacks.
If Sarah would suggest, that blacks should take the discrimination, because it is a given in our society, everybody would find it offensive.
If you ever have a doubt about a statement, if it is discriminatory or not, just replace the subjects with other kind of subjects – and you see it rightaway.
I have no idea has to what Palin meant (I certainly don’t want to see What Palin Really Meant excuses like we did with Obama). I do think that her answer was condescending and ill advised and yes, an unwarranted criticism of Hillary.
absolutely — and the faux-feminist Oborg are trying to play it up as Palin insulting Clinton.
Unspoken by Palin is the assumption that women in genderal would speak out about Clinton’s treatment — but its obvious that Oborg and media women themselves were perfectly happy to participate in sexist slams of Clinton.
Is it true on today’s Tom Joyner show they called Sarah Palin a “crazy white bitch”?
Can anyone confirm this?
I heard “Crazy white woman”. I didn’t hear “crazy white bitch”. They have been particularly vile towards her though. I thought about calling them up, but it would go in one ear and right out the other.
Thanks, Sugar, for your response. The attacks on women, and in this case white women, are completely disturbing to me!
I can’t believe it!! What the hell is going on?
Sexist attacks are still quite acceptable. Don’t see any of those type of “statements” about Huckabee, etal.
So Palin is a “Crazy white woman”?
Then, what pray tell is MEchelle?
well…. according to Rev Manning, MO is KK’s little sister…
Yes, but that is not an attack on Michelle as a woman. That statement is directed at her anger. She is an angry person in general, as a woman, as a black person, as a whole person. King Kong is male, isn’t he? King Kong could be stated for an angry male also. I did not connect KK with women. To me it spoke to anger!
Well not to defend MO (I don;t like her AT ALL), but the dear Rev Manning was making it in reference to her looks. I thought this a very low blow and very derogatory myself.
I have NO respect for MO, but it not right to throw this sexist shit at her either either.
I have a different take on this. I don’t mind anyone calling Michelle Obama ugly provided they comment on say, Bob Barr’s looks. Insults directed at a woman aren’t necessarily sexist. Also Michelle’s been “working it” a little too much in the soft media, tarting up her daughters and letting herself ,and her “style” (huh?) be compared to Jackie Kennedy. If you put yourself out there as an icon based on your appearence, others have a right to say you look like King Kong’s sister. Just saying.
Didn’t they frequently compare GWB to a chimp, and rightly so?
Aye… point taken. Well said.
Manning is a self-hating black man.
References to our simian friends in relation to black people historically are racist. Bristle all you want to because of the indiscriminate way 0bama played the race card, but it’s an historical fact.
Manning as a black person should know better. If you want to address Michelle’s anger, find another metaphor. And let’s not pretend that’s the only one. Slamming her anger is legitimate. Using racially charged language isn’t.
The same way Joyner’s audience ought to be ashamed of themselves. Calling Palin a crazy ‘white’ bitch polarizes the racism. Blacks are employing racialism to express themselves and it’s going to come back to haunt them.
Personally, it serves 0bama right. He exploited and duped the AA community just to get elected. It should be the thing that brings him down.
Thanks mimi. I agree 100%. He has made it his life’s ‘work’ to exploit anyone at anytime for his own benefit.
Absolutely and I don’t like MO at all either!
do you really want us to answer that???
Ah screw em.
We have to do more than just say screw them. A lot of people e-mailed US Magazine and supposedly 10,000 people canceled their subscriptions to the rag. That is action and what we must do if we want to stop the misogyny in its tracks.
Millions of us need to get a hold of this Tom Joyner and tell him that Hillary got trashed and we will not take another trashing of a woman candidate. We just can’t sit on our butts and just say “what do you expect?”, or “screw them” because if we do the same thing will happen to Hillary again in 2012.
E-mails, phone calls, and letters do work if there are huge volumes of the. Chris Matthews had to apologize on air for some of his remarks. Our actions do matter so lets get on it!!!
That US Magazine cover was awful. Talk about being blatantly in the tank for Obama.
He gets a “Why I Love Her” on his cover, and Palin’s was a “Babies, Lies & Scandal” cover.
I was in the grocery store when I saw it, and I just like, Are they serious??
I knew Tom Joyner was biased based on the way Tavis Smiley was treated.
I agree, we have to put action with our dissatisfaction!!
Absolutely stop trashing women and take it to the market place where it will hurt those who perpetuate it.
The perceived whine… it is unfortunate that the DNC and power brokers of our party were not as vociferous as the RNC in condemning sexist media coverage. Hillary had to bring it up herself.
It is what it is, and now Palin knows what it is like to be scrutinized by the rabidly sexist media on a national level, at least she has support from her party.
Leisa, you took the words right out of my fingertips(?) If the DNC leaders had done their job, Hillary wouldn’t have had to bring it up.
I don’t think Palin meant any disrespect, as she said so, but while she will be crushed with a near equal amount of what Hillary endured during the primaries in a micro amount of space–sort of a crash course on the media’s sexist bias–you are right, the RNC support for her will insulate her from a lot of it. Hillary didn’t have the luxury.
Right.
If our former dear party elders, surrogates and operatives had the sense to beat back the attacks she wouldn’t be ‘perceived’ as whining. Far more efficient and effective to have others on the frontlines fighting your battles for your.
Hillary was alone in this fight, save for WJC, Chelsea and her 18 million voters.
Obama had 10,000 press agents plus the entire party apparatus as his disposal.
I admire how the Republicans show loyalty to their own. I’ll say it again: Dems eat their young.
Yep, they were more than happy to wrongly cry racism, but couldn’t bother to protest real sexism. The ugly truth about oneself is hard to identify.
We see it in them, though.
I don’t think that the RNC is doing this for Palin; the Republicans just don’t eat their own and they defend Republicans against any and all attacks. Doesn’t mean that they are less sexist, but I don’t expect them to be and if they do attack sexism to protect their interests, great and more power to them for this. If the results are good, I don’t care about what the motives are.
Now the Democrats are another story. Obama and the “left” are steeped in sexism and misogyny, and they used it as a political weapon against Hillary.
Thanks!
I am so disgusted with my party… Democrats are supposed to be enlightened and ahead of the game in human rights. I guess that women are not part of their human rights agenda…
I do not think that Palin was trying to disrespect Hillary in her comments on the subject. I think the bulldog with lipstick had to say that to be credible as a reformer and to tell the frat boyz that she will not back down because of those kind of attacks that will be inevitable…
Wouldnt suprise me that she was called a b**** on the air. You dont wanna know what some members of my family have called her.
I look forward to a future where there is a diversity of political opinion in the black community.
It’s freakin’ me out!
Palin is on live on Fox
link to watch
http://www.foxnews.com/
Ironically enough, these videos were obviously taped while hillary was still running for President. Now, today, the attacks are being waged against Palin. The difference being Sarah (Thank God) won’t have to be considered shrill or a whiner because she will be able to directly attack Barack (and not with Democratic censorship of the facts) and Biden, and the RNC will publicly call the Media to task for the mysogeny, and will weild their power against those who will try to use it against Palin. Also, she has a great man in John McCain who will come to the defense of his VP pick, as well. Bill came to the aid of Hillary, and the Media (and the DNC) labeled him a crazy, bitter, has-been racist who was aloose cannon that Hillary couldn’t control, and who would cost her the Nomination. This, of course, was bullshit. Thank God I now consider myself a Republican since June, I want to be in a party that really values the importance of ALL of its voters.
One important component to remember is that the press has different intensity of animosity between Hillary and Sarah.
The Press’s motivation to attack Palin is not only to knock her off politically.. but also to ensure that her beliefs are discredit.
They have intense hatred for social conservatives. I’m hearing the anchors defend themselves and all you hear is “well when run on family values then you need to respond to these charges”…
The Left thought they had this election in the bag.. and this woman comes along and she has totally unified the Republican party in one day.
They will stop at nothing to ruin her until she’s gone.
I say the politicans need to ruin these newspapers.
Oh but the Press had a different kind of animosity toward Hillary…INTENSE jealousy.
great comment Liz
Oh, but she has already been called “shrill” after her speech. That was courtesy of none other than the Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid. Oh, and sarcastic. That’s something else we little ladies aren’t supposed to be, you know!
Here’s a link: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/the-umbrage-war.html
Palin is quick and funny…be afraid Barky…be very afraid.
Sense of humor is foreign to Barky. Unless it’s a snide snicker and a “Heh”.
I always felt a sarcastic sense of humour was a sign of intelligence. I have yet to see it in anyone in the Obama camp. Be it, barky himself, Michelle, or one of his minions. Jackass the movie leaps to mind when the Obamabits try to be funny. How is stapling your own scrotum to your thigh funny?
Wasn’t it whiney to pull the race card?
He’ll be whining about racism when he loses. You can be sure.
I can’t wait to hear his concession speech in November. It’s the only Barfy speech I plan to tune in for. I kind of hope it’s at 3 AM, but that would mean it won’t be the landslide victory for McCain so I really hope it’s early. I’m not sure we’ll actually get to see it though. I’m not sure Barky will concede. He’ll either refuse or throw a temper tantrum. Either way it may be so pathetic the media may refuse to show it. It might be full of bleeps as well.
Barfy’s concession speech:
Uh, uh, er, um…bleep you…bleeeeeepp racists…..um, sniff, er…bleeeppp America….sniff, sniff…er…bleeeeeeeppppp whitey…bleep stolen election….bleep bleeep, I am entilted, uh, uh, sniff, sniff….bleep racist…bleep whitey dude, bleep, white bleep VP, bleep you all. Whhhaaaaaaaaa! MEchelle…where the bleep are you, you bleep???? This is your bleep fault, sniff…and all you bleep racists!
that is great…bleeep that bleepp Odrama.
ok, that’s pretty damn stupid…..
I recommend everyone vote for Cynthia McKinney.
Cheney/bush orchestrated 9/11. McCain is a good man, certainly no Cheney or bush, but he will be controlled by the powerful evil forces that control bush & obama.
Hillary 2012!
And I suppose you think when Bush said “Mission Accomplished” he was saying the war is over???
No he was thanking the crew on that ship who had been out for two consecutive tours and he was telling them thank you and that their mission was was accomplished, well done.
but if you are a KO fan you would not know that.
She has a better chance of seeing God, John. This race is between McCain and Obama and you had best decide which one you can live with and go there. Seriously.
Uppity is right…the others are never even mentioned in any press…it is like they aren’t even running…
Hanna is coming in today….stay safe all in NC. and FL.
Divide and conquer won’t work with older democrats who are now for McPalin. We lived through Nader and know what 3rd party does.
Ron Paul’s site today has a note saying he will make a major announcement on monday at the national press club.
hmmmmmmmmmmm.
Guys, it really depends on the Electoral College. In effect we have 50 little elections. McCain has no chance of winning my state, Barky will, so I will spite him by voting to his left. This racist is voting for a black woman. No she won’t win, but Barky will in my state no matter what I do.
If you live in a state that’s up for grabs, of course, then I’d suggest McCain to drive a stake through Barky’s and the DNC’s heart twice.
I mainly agree, but, if you still can’t vote for either, your are not helping Obama with voting for whom you want or not voting at the top of the ticket, if you were leaning to or definitely going to vote Democratic.
It is more problematic if you are leaning to or voting Republican. Then, you are helping Obama by not voting for McCain.
You are a fucking idiot. ANd pretty GULLIBLE!
No he is not. How does voting for McKinney help Obama if he was inclined to vote Democratic?
BTW, your case of Nader (Green Party like McKinney), hurt the Democratic ticket and according to yo, got George Bush elected. Why is that case different now?
SJC TX
SHUT YOUR GODDAM MOUTH REPUGNANT OBAMABOT TROLL!
YOU DON’T BELONG HERE, YOU GODDMAN JERK!
THIS IS A PUMA SITE NOT A MORON’S NIGHT OUT!
Get out the vote in Michigan. Obama’s judgment shines again. The below listed ad shows Obama and the recently convicted Detroit Mayor making nice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SODIFZXIPA
That’s not good. No wonder Obama doesn’t want anyone looking into his background and associations.
Talk about another one bites the dust.
KOS IS PRICELESS !!!
Those boys on kos operating out of their mommys basement NEVER fail to amuse me …
The say the pudits grade McCains speech A, A-, B, B-, D.
Then they say … BUT THE PUBLIC GRADES IT A D- …
Come to find out the “public” is actually a online poll on kos LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I hope kos is around for awhile. They serve their purpose. If you want political insight then you go to sites like this … If you want a good laugh then just go to kos.
I know it may not be politically correct to laugh at the developmentally disabled on kos, but hey they put the stuff out there, so I dont feel guilty laughing at it …
McCain/Palin 08
I grade KOS a D-.
OOOh – No they get an F in my book.
you’re too kind…a total F for the thugs that they are.
Obama’s historical speech, ‘don’t even print it.’
McCain’s common speech, ‘inspirational for ages to come.’
New Online Poll !!!!
99.9 % of the public finds the messiah too liberal !!!!!
(Based on a online poll on rushlimbaugh.com)
You gotts love those boys on kos
Hey if there are any bots lurking out there .. I was curious, are you guys required to wear the yellow protective hockey helmets while you blog on kos, or since you are safely in your mothers basement, are you allowed to just go commando with the headgear ?
It’s the cheetos that are dangerous. They cause Yellow Dick. A combo of cheetos and online porn. A Kossack’s evening out.
lol…Uppity….thanks!
My screen is now coated with coffee. A lil heads up when you are going to be so damn funny!
As soon as you see her screen name, make sure you have swallowed your coffee and the cup is safely set down. Her blog is a favorite here, and I’ve learned my lesson.
omg…LOL
sry for long post but it seems Oprah is feeling some backlash for her double standard.
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#69 scarlet on 09.05.08 at 12:12 pm
#21 sistermoon3
Oprah’s message board does not allow anti-Obama posters so she surely would not allow Sarah on her show because she may say something that is anti-Obama – ya think?
Because there were so many anti-Obama posters on her site, they did a redo of her message board which did not allow for political discussion.
Here is what one poster said:
How strange for Oprah to endorse a candidate for the Presidency, and then to shut-down
and censor any discussion of politics on a board once known for its political discussions.
Another wrote this open letter to Oprah on her message board.
Oprah,
More than 4,000 threads and posts of mine have apparently been deleted from this site
during the recent “cleansing” that took place.
I have been a part of this message board for the better part of a year and I have never been
banned – not once – because I have always remained within the posting guidelines of this
website. So, why the removal of all of the threads and posts I have ever written?
I am so concerned that our media is becoming one not unlike that of communist and
dictator-controlled countries in the world whereby the media is controlled by political
figures and the government and I fear those who are in leadership in the media industry
are not only allowing it, but abiding by it. I am surprised that what has taken place here
has taken place.
Has this become another Barack Obama ONLY website where people cannot give their
true opinions about a political candidate that has been publicly endorsed by the website’s
owner? The Daily Kos is known for its selective banning of posters who question
anything at all about Barack Obama. It is very unfair, in my opinion, and it is the
squelching of the voices of many. Is that what is happening here? I have always thought
Oprah GAVE a voice to the voiceless.
I just heard Barack Obama speaking today about the current “New Yorker” cover
featuring he and his wife in satirical theme. He said he believed in the First Amendment
rights of those who create and publish such material. But, I question whether or not this is
just Mr. Obama’s public statement while his private statement is his encouragement of his
friends in media to control the written expression and opinion of people wishing to post
and requiring that they make ONLY positive statements about Mr. Obama without
questioning anything he says or does.
Is this the same Oprah Winfrey who has always seemingly supported freedom of speech
and expression? Is this the same Oprah Winfrey who has had many people from all
different walks of life on her show to discuss their honest feelings about race and other
social issues – to open a dialogue and to educate? Is this the Oprah who earned the respect
of so many of her fans and viewers because of her fairness and her willingness to listen to
all sides of an issue – even if she disagreed?
I am disillusioned, surprised, and offended.
Another poster said:
Even though the vast majority of people who posted in the political area were FOR
keeping the board, Oprah Winfrey apparently couldn’t stand the heat, just the way her
candidate can’t stand criticism.
So, the board was censored out in favor of salad recipes and such compelling notions as
dog diapers.
More of Oprah’s disenfranchised posters:
http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/82261?tstart=15
http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/82361?tstart=0
Oprah issues a statement
Oprah to Palin: I Can Pencil You In Later
http://www.tmz.com/2008/09/05/oprah-to-palin-i-can-pencil-you-in-later/
Oprah hasn’t learned her lesson. Her ratings dived the last time she announced The One.
True. I’ve been checking in on her blog since she endorsed Obama. Those people are not stupid.
She’s taking a hit financially.
You know who’s popular with those bloggers now? Ellen!
Oprah has forgot the people who put he where she is today. That be the Whitey Women. Bye Bye Black Bird!!!
Sarah Palin should definitely go on the Ellen show. McCain did, and it was a good appearance….they disagreed but both of them seemed to enjoy their conversation.
I’d like to see her 10 times on the Ellen show….and zero times on the Spew and Oprah
Oh well, that’s mighty white of Oprah.
This is how Obambi has influenced Oprah. She’s changing alright. One has to see that Barack’s influence on people leads them to act against their best interest. That my friends in what ‘charisma’ does unsuspectingly to people, it subsumes them into a false security.
it isn’t charisma it’s an endless desire for justice from slavery. A black man as President would fulfill that need for awhile. But after that wore off then it would be something else.
That also.
Dear uppity woman, John here. I have never voted republican in my life. After 8 years of the worst president in history you expect me to vote for McCain? Hell no!
But I sure and the hell am not voting for that george soros controlled clown obama. Hell no!
9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by cheney so Cynthia is the one!
I love the Clintons and will vote for Hillary in 2012.
In 2012 you might be voting for Hamas if you don’t help to defeat Obama.
AMEN to that…
Uppity,
Has Stanley Kurtz wrote anything lately on Annenburg?
If he has I missed it.
30 if you want to watch annenberg closely daily, go to http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com
You can get a link to Diamond’s site there too. He’ REALLY on it.
Thanks Uppity
I have been following the court case here.
http://www.americasright.com/
there is a update today.
LOL. voting for Hamas, too funny.
You know, I listened to McCain’s and Palin’s speeches, and I’m willing to give them a chance. They have earned my vote. When McCain belted out “fight with me” I was thoroughly impressed. He needed to be aggressive like that, imo.
I agree…I liked that too, I thought his speech was excellent, heartfelt, sincere, down to earth. You can tell he really respects and admires Sarah Palin too.
Unlike Obama, I found McCain’s speech to be quite humbling. I think if you can humble yourself like that (especially in front of millions), you have a stand up character. Also, I almost felt McCain was alluding to an extreme makeover of the Repub party which was somewhat comforting for me.
Dear John,
Haven’t you learned anything from this election.
It’s not about Republican or Democrat anymore. They’re both the same. Were you not paying attention to how the Democrats stole the Primary??????
Trust the Constitution. And that McCain will go back to his maverick days once he has the presidency.
Don’t do as Donna Brazile ordered Stay home! And don’t throw your vote away on a 3rd Party candidate who has about a snowball’s chance in hell of winning. Especially if you live in a state that’s close. Now if your state is a committed red state like Mississipi then stay home. But if you hail from Ohio, PA, Michigan please vote against 0bama by voting McCain.
You have less than 60 days to reconcile this. Don’t make a snap decision. Here the man out.
John,
No matter what other posters say, you are helping to defeat Obama by not voting for him. There are PUMAs of every stripe, we all agree on not supporting Obama and his enablers and we do it in our own way. Dogmatic put downs because you won’t follow the “Party” line are not conducive to good discussion.
Again, voting for other candidates or not voting for the top of the ticket are viable options in helping to defeat Obama. The example of Nader hurt the Democrats, because, most of Nader’s voters were ostensibly more inclined to vote Democratic. I say ostensibly, because I spoke to a lot of Nader voters and many never voted Democratic and never intended to do so. I also spoke to some who might have voted Democratic and in FL, if 536 of them voted for Gore, GW’s brother would have had to steal more votes.
john
right on! CYNTHIA McKINNEY if not McCain strategically. In blue states, Cynthia. In iffy, McCain!
Let’s keep Hillary with us always….
Palin’s a xeroxed copy and her neanderthal republican views would have our daughters going out to buy wire hangers….enough neanderthals in WAshington!
She’s got the social awareness of a frozen moose head!
Ha Ha Uppity Woman …
Cheetos and online porn LOL … What even makes it more funny, is you know it’s probably true ….
Yes I am married to a doctor and he tells me about you kossacks all the time. The exploding pimple stories are much worse though.
Great for getting dates! Now put down those cheetos and go dump the garbage. Your parents are sick of supporting you. Don’t worry, you’ll still have time for the “revolution”.
you cannot blame Hillary’s party for her not tanding up, Hillary could have shown true character and said to hell with them.
Yes, her party did her disservice but she was running against half of her party and it was her party that was attacking her. You see what i am saying?
If your partyis attacking you then you should hit back, hard. Like Governor Palin did.
Again hillary was who i voted for. What palin said about obama was what i wish Hillary would have said from the start. And, frankly if Hillary would have took Bill and Mark Penns advice to go at Obama tough and hard we would be talking about voting for Hillary in the GE. Instead, we are seeing her try and take out another women. Which i think is going to do a whole lot of harm to her image with women who felt she was fighting the cause for them.
You can’t just walk away from a party if you have any hope of ever being elected to an even higher office. It just doesn’t work that way.
How many independents do you know who got elected president?
Exactly. That’s what I have been telling the moronic Repugs commenting here attacking Hillary for not leaving the “Democratic” Party. We want Hillary to take back the party. McCain is just an anti-Obama vote.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Uppity,
There’s a lot of willful ignorance and downright naivete on this board.
They have cast Hillary as some sort of dramatic heroine in a Hollywood style movie. They want her to be Sally Field in Norma Rae. And tear out into the streets with a sign that says:
No way, No how, NObama!
They’re way too dense to pick up the subtle signals she’s sending when she turned this phrase which has been floating around the Internet for weeks, when referring to McCain.
Well this is real life. And like it or not she’s a Democratic Senator from the great state of NY. She has a job to do. If she quits her job, the governor will only appoint a real 0bamaton to take her place. Since this is my state, I want her to keep working for me.
There’s nothing to be gained and a whole lot to be lost if she tells people not to vote for 0bama.
How about everyone being just a little smart for a change and figure some things out for yourself? There’s nothing the leftwing would like better to happen is for us to start trashing Hillary. Then even if 0bama loses, they win. And if Hillary is no longer perceived as a threat, then 0bama lives to come back in 4 years to fight again. And this time with a new crop of 18 year olds to do his bidding.
Hillary is keeping her word. Hillary is trusting that her supporters aren’t stupid. Hillary is acting like a grown-up.
It’d be nice if we all did, too.
Great post and like Lochos said, some of them are Republican trolls who are trying to sow discord as well as the Obama followers.
New troll species “How can Hillary do this! I will only vote for Hillary. I’ll stay home on election day.”
Perhaps this is not a new species, maybe it’s a subspecies of “Voter Suppression Troll.”
For me, it’s not about personalities. I support Hillary, but I don’t put her on a pedestal. Nor does she tell me what to do.
I will never, under any circumstances, vote for Obama because not only is he unfit to ve CIC, he used voter suppression, media manipulation, and causus fraud to “aquire” the nomination.
PUMA
I don’t think this is a new troll species.
People are drawing a line between their support and on how much HRC does to help BO.
We all think he would be horrible for this country. We all want HRC to rebuild the party, but she has to let it fall first and stay untarnished. We gave her a free pass up to this point, but many are starting to get concerned that she MAY put party politics before what is best for this country.
put party politics before what is best for this country.
Didn’t she do that already by not having a REAL roll call.
Kinda, but I don’t think she was gonna get the nomination anyway. She just saved face.
What part of, the DNC leaders and 0bama were never ever going to allow a roll call, don’t you people get?
They issued public statements that were lies! In order to appease her supporters who were threatening to revolt. That’s why I didn’t watch their dog and pony show of a Convention. It was all a SHAM! This also why I have no problem voting for McCain. Democrats cannot claim the moral highground any longer.
Hillary knew well before the Convention that there would not be a roll call. And if she made a stink about it, she would be perceived by the AA community as trying to destroy 0bama’s chances by fracturing the Party. Had she fractured the Party and won the nomination, she would not have had the support of a major base that would have put her across the finish line. She might have also cost other Democrats their jobs. And I’m not talking about Pelosi. Good Democrats like Tubbs (who died) and the Texas Congresswoman who remained loyal to Hillary to the end. And others.
Also, for all the talk from these Botheads slamming us for voting McCain, I can tell you point blank that I ran into numerous AAs who said they would vote for McCain if Hillary got the nomination. This is why I pay them no mind.
It’s time for everyone to ignore Hillary for the time being. This is our battle and she can’t fight it for us.
And like someone said, I don’t have Hillary on a pedastal. She and I happen to disagree right now. At least publicly. Because deep down inside, I would make book on the fact that she wants McCain to win.
And if people are too stupid to read between the lines, then maybe that’s why 0bama got the nomination. Because we were not swift enough to recognize the threat and put all our forces behind Hillary in time. How many votes would she have gotten if Edwards’ supporters had seen the light?
Grow up!
Another great post!
mimi
Yes. Brilliant. Just one thing. Don’t you think that if Edwards’ scandal was exposed much sooner, Hillary stood a better chance? And did the Obamabots not make a deal to silence Edwards at a key time in the primary?
Hillary would have won by wider margin in N.H. if Edwards was out of the picture…
Hillary should have made herself PUMA long before PUMA ever existed. But now she remake herself into a PUMA. No if or buts about it. Become the One we were waiting for.
Two problems: every substantive criticism of Obama was met by screams of RACIST. Hillary was the first candidate to face it, so voters weren’t sick of it yet.
Also, I think she saw Obama as a possible VP for her, and didn’t want to destroy him early.
Someone should look at what’s happening at the Guardian Online. This is a UK publication but guess what? They’ve hired on Obama guns to shoot down anything Sarah and McCain do.
Check this out. The article is titled “McCain’s speech is universally panned”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/05/uselections2008.johnmccain3
Go ahead and read it. Watch for juicy tidbits like “the flawed Palin” – this is every bit as bad as Us Weekly. How did the venerable Guardian get it so wrong? Well let’s begin with finding out who wrote this twisted piece.
It’s someone called Dan Kennedy (warning lights) and he’s not English. He’s been hired in. Here’s one of his pages.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/dankennedy
His profile says “Longtime media critic Dan Kennedy teaches journalism at Northeastern University in Boston and blogs at Media Nation”. Ah-hah.
Now what the Obama people would do is write to the newspaper, complain and threaten, and ask for someone to be fired. I see no reason we shouldn’t do the same thing.
I have; this is the page with the addresses you can write to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/contactus/337345797
Thank you.
Here’s what I found in the commments
http://www.peteyandpetunia.com/VoteHere/VoteHere.htm
The comments are pretty good really -
Here’s one:
Dan Kennedy has finally found something in which Obama is better than McCain.
How many voters will vote solely on the “he’s a better public speaker issue”?
Obama is sucking wind, you better start providing oxygen before he redlines.
Did I miss the thread on Obama on FOX last night? You know when he said the surge worked?
http://www.boycottusweekly.com/
boycott this magazine and let’s get active to we can send a message to these trash magazines that we won’t tolerate their bias.
they are losing subscribers fast…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-todd-huston/2008/09/05/us-magazine-hit-hard-canceling-subscribers-after-palin-attack
I didn’t think anybody with a brain subscribed to a tabloid. You see them in the supermarket. Usually the people on the government teat buy them after they use up their food stamps and have bought their cigarettes.
I guess they do…go figure…I am glad they are dropping it anyway…
lol
that little ahole in the video clip is a prime example of sleeze. He is A typical of the Barry supporters that claim to be all for women’s rights while calling them wh*res.
More problems on the Obama homefront:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SODIFZXIPA
“Looking forward to a lengthy collaboration…”
Guess he’ll be off to jail for that conversation?
It is pure sexism to talk about the Hillary ‘whine’.
What about the Obama whine ? or the democratic party whine? When a men does it it is ok, they are standing up against unfair criticism, or they are calling out racism. But when it is Hillary, it is a whine. It has always been sexism pure and simple.
100% sexism. I first noticed the word “whine” being used by the Republicans during the Reagan years to stop discussion of Republican economics. Example, if you said, “I lost my job to China,” They would say “Stop whining.” There was never any debate about whether the policies were good. They were stopped by the threat of characterization. (And there was an entire Limbaugh chorus.)
My dictionary defines whine as 1) to utter a peevish, high-pitched, somewhat nasal sound, as in complain, distress, fear, etc., 2) to complain or beg in a childishly undignified way.
The regressives, many of whom I suspect voted for GWB, redirected the word to Hillary. In either case, it is still a despicable word to use against an adult for speaking out.
Hillary certainly DID know what she was getting into; Hillary certainly DID “plow through”; and Hillary did NO disservice to women. Palin is a REPUBLICAN and can piss-off on this account.
Palin does not seem to realize that the reason
she is a candidate is because of Hillary Clinton.
This woman is clueless.
She better keep her piehole shut about Clinton, because she’ll be kicking her ass back to Alaska in ‘12..
Are you aware that this clip was made during the primaries when Sarah Palin was not yet even thought to be a contender for veep?
Also, I think there is an important distinction between saying “Hillary is whining” and “there is a perceived whine.” Palin said the latter, not the former, in acknowledgment of people holding women to a different standard than men.
This was my first look at the clip, too. It’s not as bad as I’d been led to believe (by the media).
yes these have been around for awhile.
THANK YOU!!!
HILLARY OVER PALIN, ANY TIME, ANY DAY, ALWAYS!!!
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Dear uppity woman,
what the f.. are you talking about hamas and 2012? Logic like that is found on the dailykos website.
I am a proud Democrat who believes in the principles of Franklin R, John Kennedy & Bill Clinton.
Hillary 2012!
Complacency led to the downfall of the Sassavid (Persians) and Byzantium Empires at the hands of the Jihadis.
Thank you Vince.
I don’t think people realize…..
You need to read more, John. DOn’t waste your vote. I would hate to see you regret it.
An Obama presidency is a dangerous thing. You know that. Why not vote for the one person who has a chance of defeating him?
Hamas has endorsed him, John. So has Iran as of two days ago. And Dear Leader of North Korea. And Alsammarae, and Kahlidi. Do you need a telephone poll on your head?
LMFAO!
Yes Hillary in 2012 only if BHO does not get in. Vote McCain and screw BHO
You’re an ignorant democrat.
I guess you don’t subscribe to the idea of coalitions. Ignorant indeed! Any vote that would normally go to the Democratic Presidential nominee and does not, is a vote against that Democratic nominee. People can agree on not voting for Obama and do that in their own way. That is the beauty of PUMA. If you start to require a certain action or push your opinions and denigrate others, that is when coalitions fall apart.
Again, your example earlier about Nader hurt the Democrats! So, how would John’s and my vote for neither Obama or McCain, when both of us are staunch Democrats, and I know in my case, have always voted Democratic, not hurt Obama? It is a vote against Obama, I just won’t vote for McCain who is also IMOP , not good for my Country.
Last time I looked, there were only a few states where any one’s vote really mattered and that is in the swing states. Even there, in case that you brought up, if there are Democratic leaning voters who refuse to vote for either Obama or McCain, Obama loses votes and it hurts him and helps McCain. That is what happened in FL – Nader received 97,000 votes and GW “won” by 536. Of course, he also needed the thievery before, during, and after the election and SCOTUS to actually get it.
Palin is wrong to criticize HRC for publically complaining about the shit comments from turds like Matthews.
Because Hillary stood up and complained about it,
Palin will have it easier.
Doesn’t this backwoods narcissist realize that?
I have to wonder, you know people don’t even realize he stole her answers in debates, her policies and didn’t even bother to change the wording hardly at all.
A real Hillary supporter knows this because we watched it happen…Palin didn’t watch like we did.
And when he came into the Senate, Hillary was kind enough to show him her agenda and let him read her confidential policy positions. Then he thought, “I get it. I don’t need any more experience, I can steal Hillary’s.”
John McCain “doesn’t get it,” according to Obambi. Why? Because he was not able to steal his papers. Fraud.
Exactly.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Search engine,
this isn’t a new video. This video was recorded a few months ago. Palin is definitely experiencing this Media vetting right now, but so far she isn’t complaining too much.
She doesn’t have to since her entire Party is doing the “complaining”.
You know about 80 percent of the kos boys got the youtubes of Larry Sinclair talking about his sexual adventure with Obama saved on their computer, whacking off at night wishing it was them instead of Larry that got to “serve” the messiah …
Ewwwwwwwwwww.
You gotta admit, there is something gay about their devotion. Although real gay men tend to support Hillary because Barky is such a self hating down low homophobe.
Come on – let’s not go there. The orange site and the posters would write that type of comment.
So, lets see if I have this straight, the DNC selected (Obama the ONE) and gave Hillary the kiss off as well as her (18 million voters) and now McCain (The Hero)
has chosen Palin the ( Moose hunter) as a running mate, Now that we all know this, if McCain and Palin win, more then likely Palin will run in 2012, and run against Hillary, So the DNC has fu*%ked , there party and given the Republicans the opportunity to run the first woman in a major election. COULD THE DNC HAVE THERE HEADS ANY FUTHER UP THERE ASSES ? I DON’T THINK SO.
I’m sure there are many closed door talks amongst the Dem leaders about how Hillary should have been on that ticket. The panic mode that they are in tells me that they know they f*cked up. They didn’t see Palin coming and were side swiped. Now Barry is asking high profile women to curtail the Palin rise. How pathetic is that? And does everyone notice that Barry’s VP…oh, what’s his name…is irrelevant? He’s non-existent in the press. It’s like Barry has to run against McCain and Palin on his own. Karma baby, karma.
I am nobody , and I figured it out and these people want to run our country, God help us all
I think it’s hysterical that the DNC didn’t see Sarah Palin coming. Particularly in light of all their orchestration in selecting, not electing, Obama.
Hysterical, but upon further reflection, sad. Just one more disappointment from my party.
I’ll bet the Clintons saw it coming, though.
Hillary’s Christmas cards should read this year I TOLD YOU SO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yep, a pitiful spot if I cared a rats a** about Obama and the DNC. However, it is also an obstacle that Hillary must go up against and should never have happened.
I think that Palin doesn’t realise being a beauty queen ( or runner up ) makes a difference in who listens to you.
You can be ugly and a male, and be listened to. You can’t be ugly AND female without the sneers.
No fault to her, but Palin probably has never had to deal with it.
I’m just glad someone is finally listening! Even if the Republicans are only doing it to get elected, they are starting a long needed dialogue.
I don’t understand the whine thing. If you are a female you have to work 10 times harder than a man, take 10 times the abuse, AND never say a word about it. BS.
Politicians are held to a different, particular standard. This discussion has everything to do with the role you are in and how you express or do not express your personal feelings. The role of politician demands a particular level of–say, decorum that may not be required of a person in a different job or role. We all would like Hillary to tell Obama to stuff it, but that isn’t likely to happen, at least not overtly. To make a simplistic analogy, men put on suits for business, whether they like suits or not. It is a role. Most women wear makeup in corporate America, even if they’d rather not. It is part of the role. Mothers and fathers tell their young children “it will all be OK”, even when they fear it will not be OK. We all have roles to play and they don’t always line up with what we really feel. For better or worse.
Right now I am so pissed I can barely contain myself.
I blog over at Wordpress and decided to take a quick look at a fun poll I’m conducting . . . “Vote, who’s tougher, Palin or Obama” and what do I see on the opening page of Wordpress? Pictures of 2 women “going at it” with Sarah Palin’s name attached an a headline about lesbos!
It had to happen, didn’t it? She’s an athlete so therefore, she must be one, right? Doesn’t matter that she’s married with 5 kids.
If you do a search on Wordpress and use Sarah’s name and lesbian you will find more than post with videos, of course.
How badly do these jerks want to win? Pond scum!
They said the same thing about Hillary being a lesbian…I still don’t know why that’s an insult. My guess is that men have to believe every woman who turns them down is a lesbian to save their fragile male ego.
Hillary stopped fighting. She quit. And now she has joined the messiah to help slime another woman, just in the same way the messiah slimed her.
I kinda wish I could get back the $600 I donated to her throughout the course of the primaries ….
I dont really have a bad opinion of Hillary, but I defiantly dont have the same high opinion I had of her say 3 months ago …
Hillary has just proven to be another politician…Nothing more, nothing less …
Whatever.
Whatever or maybe Hillary needs to say, “PUMA.”
Put a sock in it , troll.
I don’t believe you ever supported Hillary.
If McCain wins, the country will be so screwed up by 2012 Hillary will win 47/48 states.
If obama wins the country will be equally screwed by 2012. Hillary will run against obama in the 2012 democratic primaries that not even those clowns dean, pilosi & soros will be able to keep Hillary from booting out obama. Obama may not even run in 2012.
Hillary will win in 2012. That is why she is nice to obama right now.
Everyone has to vote on what they feel is right. Certainly I understand voting for Mccain after what the obama clowns have done. But I myself am not going to vote Republican.
Hillary 2012!
hillary is not going to run against barry in 2012…like the DNC would allow her to run against a sitting president. That has never happened by any party.
John is not thinking straight right now, we all know that won’t happen…remember Kennedy trying to get control again.
If the Country is as bad a shape as many here believe (including me), Obama will have a Primary opponent, and that opponent may well be Hillary. There has been Primary opponents to sitting Presidents, Ted Kennedy is one of them against Carter. LBJ was another and he did decline to run again because he was going to be defeated in the Primary. So, John’s scenario does have historical precedent.
Obama calling environmentalist, “tree huggers.” Then he began stuttering and backtracking. Explain, explain. 15 billion a year… but he implied … 15 billion for carbon sequestration technology. He always implies 15 for each form of energy resource. That way the 15 billion stretches at infinitum. Very tricky. Very deceiving. Very convincing if you don’t listen to what he says.
The absolute best part of this is knowing that when Barry loses…. he can sit and wonder for the rest of his LIFE …..what IF I had picked Hillary…….
YES!!!
Hillary is becoming irrelevant, and by the time 2012 rolls around her time will have passed.
Hillary had plenty enough pledged delegates, ecspecially after Fla and Mich were going to be fully seated, combine that with the fact that even then there was troubling signs for Obama on the horizon, and she could have easily made a credible floor fight for the nomination.Would she have won ?? Probably not, but at least she would have had a chance. Strangers things have happened. At the least she would have made all the Obama supporters really go on record in a very public way as far as their support of him went, and therefore it would have been easier to clean up the riff raff, after Obama get his clock cleaned in this election. I like McCains attitude ” I will fight for you with my last breath”
Hillary just stopped fighting, even though she was still asking for donations, under the pretense that she was going to fight till the end …
Hillary is my Senator. She’ll be very “relevant” in the years ahead.
Are you a “divide and conquer” troll, or a “voter supression troll”? Hmm?
Um what did you expect her to do? Take out an Uzi at the convention hold it to Biden’s head and demand the nomination on National TV? Nobody move or the hair plugs get it! Hell, she kept fighting even after her own party and most of the political talking heads TOLD her to quit. Jesus, this is politics, not an episode of West Wing.
lol!
I agree. Bud disagree that she would have lost. Well, if she had the wherewithal to do that, then she would have found the way to sway back 2, 300 delegates. Obama paid his delegates more than Hillary but Hillary should have at the end fight it like John McCain, calling it corruption. This business of paying delegates is what did Hillary in. It is a corrupt system of making sure delegates are permanently compromised.
By this same (lack of) logic McCain became “irrelevant” when he lost to Bush in 2000.
These are either Repug trolls or Obamabots dissing Hillary.
Hillary would be an excellent Senate Majority Leader, and she will work well with John McCain to actually get important stuff done for the country.
McCain got screwed by the corroptocrats in the republican party for years, now Hillary has been screwed by the corroptocrats in the democrat party.
Just imagine the rats scurrying for cover…..
Troll alert – Obama follower most likely trying to sow discord.
F#ck off. Sweetie.
“You can’t just walk away from a party if you have any hope of ever being elected to an even higher office. It just doesn’t work that way.” by uppity women
Sure, that is conventional thinking. Why not challenge that thinking and blaze a totally new path. She had more voters than anyone in history. Do not let cynicism control your courage or character.
That is what is wrong in politics. Our politicians have turned it into gang warfare. Red vs Blue and anyone outside of us is eaten.
Hillary could have created a GE campaign based on the idea of what McCain is doing. It is not the party that matters it is the poeple.
Hillary had enough votes and staunch supporters she could have run independant.
I am afraid she was to worryed about serving her self interest and not ours.
As i said above, she is going to lose credibility with some(not all) women and men for saying she is fighting to shatter the highest hardest glass ceiling and now she is preventing another competent, couragous women from doing just that.
And, Palin said in her intro speech as VP, she would not be there if not for Ferraro and Hillary. She paid her respect and got applause from 15000 repubs for Hillary. How does hillary pay her back for that respect? By trying to knock her down for the same guy who destroyed her the same way he is trying to destroy Palin.
I am sorry, but i have lost alot of respect for Hillary.
but i have lost alot of respect for Hillary
It is not just her I have lost it for, the whole dem party is…well, are they for women or not? You have to be a dem to get respect from a dem.
Repug, you have no right to talk that way of Hillary.
I understand , to see Hillary stumping for Obama pissed me off too, but there is not a lot of wiggle room when you are getting f %*ked from all sides and still trying to keep your job. it’s a business, she not at the top of the pile yet..
understood. But she doesn’t have to disrespect the women and men who (through PUMA or what not) have stood and defended her. We all say it’s more than about her, so that’s why we’re fighting. But if she starts to dump on what we’ve done, then I will lose respect for her. She’s walking a fine line right now.
The fact that she had to stand in front of millions of people and take in ass from the party that turn on her, she payed a big price.
In what way is she dumping on us or disrespecting us? She is doing what she promised and btw, promoting the issues that are important to working Americans.
She cannot win this election for Obama.
F* yourself jerk. You have no right to speak that way of Hillary, repug asshole.
Independent candidates never get elected and those who run are vilified by their former Party and are never heard from again. How does that help us 18 million voters when the candidate best on our issues is destroyed by “tipping at windmills”?
Stop the gratuitous knocks at Hillary for campaigning against Republicans on issues. By so doing, she is defining what Democrats stand for and I have no problems with her following through with what she promised to do.
Agree. It’s become apparent that Hillary is a minority voice in the Democratic Party. Those of us who still believe in democratic principles need her in there, where she can wield influence and fight the good fights, from within the machine.
Here is a good read from a republican point of view on Palin..
http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palins-perfection/#more-844
[snip]
My e-mail has been inundated with comments hailing her performance from friends and family, both Democrats and Republicans, and acquaintances whom I would consider apolitical and typically disinterested. — For Hillary supporters, it had to be a tough pill to swallow. Though watching Take-No-Prisoners-Palin zing Obama so shrewdly had to be mildly fulfilling.
Of course for Hillary supporters, it was and still is a very tough pill to swallow. Hillary should have been our Democratic Party Presidential Nominee, and certainly should have been at least the VP on Democratic Ticket. That would have taken significant air out of Palin. That the DNC and the “Democrats” are that stupid is wild beyond belief.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Around the time that the whitey tape promise came out and Texas Darlin and others started examining Obama’s COLB…I remember hearing this:
The Republicans have something that Guiliani’s people found back while he was still running that will make Obama UNELECTIBLE.
I’ve always thought that the whitey tape, bad as it is, would not be enough to fit that bill, since Teflon Don seems to get away with almost anything. (see Wright, Rezko & Ayers).
Makes more sense to me that the whitey tape is just one of many things they hold. I truly believe they have something that proves him ineligible.
God, I pray you’re right. Just to see that smug ass look smacked off that arrogant puss of his…
I would soooo love to see that.
You will. But then the DNC will send you a fund raising e-mail:
“It was painful to see the look on Obama’s face when the media reported his imminent indictment.
We need money to support Obama from this unfair treatment by the American justice system.
As for the videos, we say that ladies lunches are off limits from scrutiny.”
Like McCain said last night… [they are going to get started on the REAL fight after tonight]
Remember the 18 yr old girl who told McCain she was terrified of Obama (while crying) and the applause she got…I hope they have something to wake America up.
That was me.
It was you? How did you feel about his answer?
really?
Nah, just funnin’ with ya. But I’m afraid of Obama too. If I saw John McCain I’d run over to him and cry all over his orange silk tie.
Looks like TexasDarlin is getting fired up again:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
Dear uppity woman,
are you not aware that bin laden was created and armed by our own CIA back in the early 1980s?
Doesn’t it seem strange that we have not been able to capture him? One hour after 9/11 Senator Orin Hatch said “bin laden” did it. Duh? If we knew bin laden did it why didn’t the government try to stop him? Why no criminal investigation of 9/11? Who ordered NORAD to stand down on 9/11?
The enemy is not “hamas’ or “Islamic terrorists”; the enemy is Dick Cheney and George Soros.
The United States never supported Bin Ladin.
Bin Ladin was a devout Wahabbi.. He hated Americans.. He considered, as a Muslim, that the US is his enemy..the US is one of the forces of Satan.
The Americans only supported local ethnic afghans. The Arab Jihadi fighters were supported by Saudi Arabia.
And this is wrong too
Look up Qutb and get back to us.
It only takes one. Once a women is elected to be VP. It will be much easier for the next women to be elected president or vp.
Absolutely.
“you cant have any hope of walking away from your party and still hope to be elected to high office” – Uppity Woman
I agree with most of what you say Uppity Woman, but with all due respect ….
John McCain has basically told the Republican Party to fu*k off for the better of 20 years, and he is now the nominee for president of the united states.
It can be done, if you are smart about it, and I dont think anyone is smarter than Bill Clinton when it comes to political manuevering.
That is why he has my vote…he is for THE PEOPLE! Palin is a nice add on for me. I like her and what she has done for the people in Alaska but McCain has a history of fighting for the people for a long time.
Sorry, but I don’t think McCain did that after he lost in 2000 while Bush was campaigning.
Some of you lose all perspective when it comes to a woman.
McCain supported Bush not only in 2000 when he lost to him but also in 2004, you a$$hat.
Strawberrybitesbarky,
Go to -timesonline.couk/tol/news
Scroll down to the cartoon section and click, there is a moose who is saying the same thing you are saying.
Could we call Barack, Bullwinkle Barky? Naaah. That would be an insult to Bullwinkle and Rocky.
OMG. Thanks Faye. I wish I could link to that. The Moose cartoon was fabulous! But the article was even better. Leave it to the Brits. Damn it….why am I so linky challenged…HELP ME. I’m accepting any and all donations for my plight. That’s helpstrawberrylearntolink.org.
I am fascinated by some women on here.
Its as if the most important thing is not getting the glass cieling broke, but rather the most important thing is that Hillary gets credit for it.
You guys have made Hillary bigger than the movement itself.
Hillary is no longer a fighter for the woman movement, the woman movement fights for Hillary.
I dont care if Hillary gets the credit for it, or if Palin gets the credit for breaking the glass cieling, I just want it broke …
Bottom line is that Hillary had her chance, and she quit pre maturely, so she could still have some leverage in the democratic party. Good move career wise, but hardly the stuff that makes up a true hero in the movement.
If you believe in something, then you fight till the end. McCain stayed a extra 5 years in a pow camp, because he believed in America. And hillary couldnt take the flight to the floor, because she wanted to remain in the good graces of dean, pelosi, brazille etc …
Cmon give me a break. Sarah Palin is the one that is on the ticket, and we need to support her …
As woman, let me just tell you that my support of Hillary was not about “the movement.” It was about supporting the best candidate for the job.
The fact that the best candidate for the job was a woman was a bonus. That’s all.
I totally agree with JML.
Obama is not qualified to be CIC. I will not vote for him/
Exactly. Thanks for your comment. I get tired of commenters thinking we supported Hillary only because she is a woman.
Hillary ‘12!!!
JMO8,
You are not reading all of the posts.
I think it’s great what’s happened to Palin. But I was voting for McCain even before she was on the ticket because I’m anti-0bama. If McCain wins that’s great! An important part of the glass ceiling will have been broken. Hillary’s no longer a factor in this election. She lost.
But I’m not going to join you in Hillary bashing because she is honoring her promise to campaign for 0bama, towing the Party line and taking into consideration down-ticket Dems who supported her as well as protecting her husband’s legacy. If the Clintons bolt the Dem Party, his administration would pretty much be erased from history. Certainly, he would never receive any recognition from the Party ever!
It’s nice that Palin got this opportunity. But I cannot forget that we have major ideological differences. I was voting for McCain even before she was on it. It helps somewhat that a woman will have the opportunity for achievement. It is somewhat bittersweet in that context.
But you might as well accept that a lot of women are not going to vote for her just because she’s a woman. That’s their right.
I supported Hillary because she was the stronger candidate. Not because she was a woman. I am angry because sexism and racism was used to destroy her candidacy along with backroom Democratic politics.
I’m not supporting 0bama because he is not experienced enough to be president. Because he is a liar, a corrupt politician who gamed the Caucus with Chicago thug tactics, used racism to exploit the black community, was sexist and pretended not to be and because he does not stand for anything except getting elected.
McCain at least has been in Washington through 4 presidencies, has proven that he is able to work on a bi-partisan basis and has strong convictions and ideals. I thank God that he won the Republican nomination instead of a Conservative that I would be hard-pressed to vote for.
I doubt that I could support Palin if she was on the top of the ticket just because she’s a woman. But I trust that even with McCain’s age, that she is smart, a quick study and could very well step in and be POTUS once McCain’s administration is in place. I laugh when people say she’s never traveled, because neither had 0bama until his crash course 10 day junket in July. What a joke!
And it bothered me that he wouldn’t visit the troops in the hospital. It didn’t speak well of him.
0bama doesn’t look presidential to me. And again I remind you that I’m an AA so it’s not racism. I know lots of black men personally that are super smart and carry themselves in a way more presidential manner than 0bama. And certainly there other black politicians who do.
Last night on 0′Reilly, 0bama again was round shouldered and looked defensive. He slouched at Saddlebrook. He has a nervous edge to him that I don’t like. He’s not confident even in his arrogance. He’s also remote and unfriendly. I rarely see him linger and converse with anyone like Hillary and even McCain does.
But I digress. I’m not going to bash Hillary.
Maybe you Hillary bashers need to start your own board to do that. But trust me, you’re only going to convert the ‘Undecideds’ over to 0bama doing that.
Personally, I think he’s going to have a breadown when he loses.
Nope, I support Hillary because she is the best candidate and I agree with most of her positions.
Sarah Palin, is not qualified at this time (of course, Obama is even less qualified) and I disagree with most of her positions.
So, why should I play identity politics when it is against my beliefs and not helping my Country?
No, moron: the important thing about the first woman POTUS is something that is important to me in any election: that they actually give a f#ck about women’s issues. Palin is a freaking wingnut.
She’s anti-abortion, she’s anti-environmentalist, she’s a creationist, she at least considers censorship, she likes to fire her opposition, she’s a faux reformer: 27 million in earmarks for Wasilla pop. <8000, close to 200 mil in earmarks for AK as gov.: AK has more per capita in federal $$ than any other state, and she bashes Clinton, without whom she wouldn’t be here.
I don’t see anything there for which I’d want to vote.
Dear Vinny J,
our sainted Ted Kennedy ran against the incumbant jimmy carter in 1980. Ronald Reagan ran against the incumbant Ford in 1976. So you are wrong. It has been done. And both came close to winning. Well, kennedy not so close.
If obama is as bad as everyone hear thinks he is then things will be so screwed up that true democrats like us will demand that hillary run against that imposter obama in 2012.
Hillary will be ready in 2012 and not even those clowns like dean & pelosi can stop her.
Hillary in 2012!
There’s one pinhead they’ve sent around for Obama who has that kool aid glow.
The first little point he has to make is “Palin’s speech had no substance.” That’s so ridiculous it doesn’t even need a comment.
Then he does his “four more years” “McBush” “McSame” thing, with that haughty “he voted 90% with Bush”. Well, Obama voted 97% with his party, who is more independent?
It’s just the Samebama mantras over and over again. Talk about NO SUBSTANCE!
I hope that Obama uses tom ridges slip in a ad. I am talking about when during a interview ridge called Mccain ” john bush” ..The kos is all fired up about it and want it in a ad asap … For once I agree with them …
Then mccain would be free to put that slip of, cant remember his name, but the guy was a prominent democrat, and during a speech, he slipped and called the messiah “osama bin laden”
I think thats a fair trade… People can decide if they want to vote for George Bush or Osama Bin Laden ..
I know Bush has only a 30 % approval rate, but I am guessing bin ladens might be even a little lower …
Kennedy said it…I have seen the video.
I have a few observations..
Yes, you are more likely to have a female POTUS if Palin wins, I think she will not implode. I mean on the D and the R side.
you can vote for McCain even if you’re pro choice, his wife Cindy is pro choice.
Yellowdick sounds like a condition that the Kos Kids spread around
BO didn’t pick Hillary, so we have to give the R’s their due.(and Mac did pick her over many men)
Cindy McCain is not Pro-choice – her difference with Palin is she is agrees to have the exception for rape and incest.
But, that is not the only issue that I have and I suspect many Democrats have with McCain and Palin. It isn’t even the most pressing. Let’s discuss economics, environment, health care, Iraq etal. I am not an Obama backer – so don’t bring up his positions.
Ps I think Rocky and Bullwinkle is the best for BO Bull,
and Rocky is Joe with his hair plugs covered.
Palin has a right to her opinion. Men said the same thing to Clinton when they perceived her whinning.
I don’t think it is a big deal. They are different and Obama told us to “get over it” (aka Hillary’s sexism and attacks).
So, I know the choice is the lesser of two evils like Gore v. Bush and Kerry v. Bush. So, I know on all other levels McCain-Palin, they are WAY BETTER THAN Obama-Biden.
But, I will be fair. They have 2 months to persuade me otherwise.
PUMA 2008!
Get ready for a big jump in the polls,
the bed will start turning around by itself, and then the reams of puke will start ladies…when the D’s see the BOUNCE.
Your missing the point about Hillary running in 2012. No matter how bad Obama does during a hypothetical presidency, it does not matter, because he owns the black vote 100%. Black people rule the democratic primaries, and they will NEVER abandon Obama, no matter what he says and does. The way the primaries are set up and scheduled and ecspecially with the caucasses, you might never again see another white candidate come out of the democratic side. Any person Anybody who is black, they dont have to be a politician, it could be the local dog catcher, and as long as he is black, then he will win certain states, and have a huge advantage in others.
Interesting. Hillary should say PUMA now.
Obama’s success also required the urban and academic left, the well-to-do, “chardonnay” or “limonsine” liberals.
May well have been the perfect storm for Obama. Or we could see Obama spin-offs for years from the democratic party!
AA’s don’t own the primary and I for my part, am going to work hard to change that system any way
Do you think that paying delegates for their support is corruption?
Do you think that systems of paying delegates did Hillary in?
PUMA should decry that system and demand an end to that kind of corruption or else ask John McCain to do it for you.
Gallup Tracking Obama 48, McCain 44 Obama +4
From 50-42 just yesterday.
Palin was trying to say what is generally accepted by all women who run for elected office and their advisers. And, the bar is higher for women.
A woman cannot complain about sexism or she is prone to attacks that she “can’t stand the heat”. What’d Barack Obama say just today?–> “I was under the impression she (Palin) wanted to be treated like men are treated.” That line of attack is used to bring a woman down.
I would not have used Palin’s choice of words, but, then she is not an extension of me nor me of her. Still, Gov. Palin is correct.
This is wrong. Obama and his cohorts can cry racism even when there is none, but, a woman can’t point out the sexism when it is staring in your face?
The real problem is that the Democrats did not come to her defense (and thus all of us) and descry the horrible treatment and in fact, used and benefited sexism to get Obama (he used it too).
You could go to Mississippi for example. Go to any prison you want, and pick out any black guy you want. I dont care why he is in prison, doesnt matter. You could go to death row and pick out a black guy if you wanted. You put generic black guy from death row on the ballot aginst hillary or any other white person for that matter, and the black guy will win the state of mississippi. They goes for alot of other states. black people will vote on the color of somebodys skin. thats not racist thats just reality. and the caucases favor the black candidates, can they can easily “thug” it up… the dnc changed the way the delgates are awarded to favor the inner city. those are just facts and a white candidate simply just cannot compete with a black candidate in the democratic primaries.
you see white people cant vote in blocs, because the media would call it racist. women cant vote in blocs because it would be called “gender politics”, but blacks can vote in blocks because the media never reports on it.
My point is dont ever expect to see another democratic president EVER. Because in a general election a black candidate will never win, ecspecially after the tragedy that is obama, so the dems will keep niminating blacks, and the repubs will keep on winning general elections.
Not true.
Obama knew exactly how to manipulate AAs.
Originally, a lot of AAs were going to go for Clinton.
What happened?
She was smeared BIGTIME as a racist.
The AA radio stations were pumping out the hate propaganda equating her as a great white Nazi.
This could be done with any race or ethnicity.
BTW the original post is another Troll
post to make it look like NQ bloggers are
racist.
I hope Larry removes it.
JM08,
“White people don’t vote in blocs???”
You need to get your head out of the Primary. 0bama with the help of Dean and Brazile, and Dean admitted this, aided the a minority voting bloc purposefully.
This is not applicable in the General Election where the majority population, the white population usually vote in blocs for their white candidates.
Remember, Dean facilitated this in the Primary. It’s time to put blame where blame is due. The DNC leaders picked the wrong horse to back. And they were stupid to pit 2 important voting blocs against each other. They fractured/split the Party. Hillary didn’t have a thing to do with it.
Barack is not going to do universal health care. We know now.
Hillary should say “PUMA” now, mobilize her network, get on the ballot on all 50 (57 lets be thorough) states, allow McCain/Palin to win, and begin a “NEW HORIZONS PARTY.”
She should join McCain in shaking Washington for the decades to come.
Started to lite candles online for Sarah
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=PALIN
so that she will help john overcome the bofraud
dear JMo8, black americans are not as mindless as you think. Obviously they are proud of obama just like Irish americans were proud of JFK. But they will realize that obama is in over his head and come 2012 I predict at least 50% of African Americans will not only support HRC but demand that she will run. HRC will run in 2012 in honor of the late Stephanie Tubbs (I hope I have her name right, she was a great American!).
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/05/breaking-photo-documents-barry-soetoro-indonesian/
BLAST FROM THE PAST.
Who is the woman in the white jacket?
I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but I received this email regarding Palin. We have several friends/relatives in Alaska and have been through Wasilla several times. I have taken out all identifying information because I did not ask for permission to post. Now, though I am totally opposed to Obama, now I have questions about Palin. Some of this has been bandied about in the news, but this provides detail.
DARN-I am still mostly really upset with the National Dem Party. They could have had HILLARY!
Here it is and it’s long:
“I have known Sarah since 1992. Wasilla is a small town. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis.
My son is a friend of her daughter Bristol. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings
during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.
She has matured a lot since her early days on the City Council. Thank God.
She is enormously popular, having enjoyed approval ratings above 70%, and as high as 80%, as Governor. In every way she’s like the most popular girl
in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won’t vote for her can’t quit smiling when talking about her because she is a “babe”.
She’s smart and savvy, but her only real experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 4,500 (at the time), and 1.5 yrs as governor of a
state with under 700,000 residents.
It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for eight months.
She is “pro-life” and she walks that talk.=2 0 She recently gave birth to a Down’s syndrome baby.
She has terrific parents who have been there for her and lots of help raising her kids and managing her family. She has good kids. Like all politicians, she is a largely absent parent, and spends more time with her kids in public when there are cameras rolling than in private. Her family was slow to grasp the reality of political life and used to complain about her parenting.
She is photogenic in spades. She is a good smiler. She is a former TV reporter and is comfortable behind the camera. She is a former beauty queen.
She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.
She is savvy. She doesn’t take positions; she just “puts things out there” and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.
She has taken on the Republican Party power-brokers in Alaska.
Her husband works “2 on, 2 off” on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon
in Bristol Bay for a month in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been
anything like that of native Alaskans.
Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters; her pro-NRA positions are not just political posturing.
During her mayoral administration most of the20actual work of running thissmall city was turned over to an administrator who she had been pushed to hire by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall attempt.
Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she brags about benefited large corporate
property owners way more than they benefited residents.
The huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too.
She inherited a city with ZERO debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for?
Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later–to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a20huge money pit, not the profit- generator she claimed it
would be. $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing. Meanwhile, the City still lacks a sewage treatment
plant and other basic infrastructure.
While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office re-decorated more than once.
These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a small city (population at that time of about 4,500). Public indebtedness under her mayoral administration
increased over $4000 per capita.
As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest it in technology that will make us energy
independent and increase efficiency, she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.
SPEND AND BORROW. In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects,
even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spendtoday’s surplus, borrow for needs.
She’s not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren’t generated by her or her
staff. While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing
from the library some books that Sarah didn’t like. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and20against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.
Sarah complained about the “old boy’s club”, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of “old boys”, including Wasilla’s worst-ever Public Works Director, the totally unqualified wife of a powerful person in state politics. She fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired/elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful, so fiercely loyal– loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State’s top cop (see below).
Sarah fired Wasilla’s Police Chief because he “intimidated” her, she told the press. Her recent firing of Alaska’s top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it’s pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn’t fire her sister’s ex-husband, a State Trooper.
Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that
she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew the nomination.
She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing
her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal
City Administrator; even people who didn’t like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.
Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her. People fear her.
When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah demanded the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in Oil & Gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid
$122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work.
A member of the Commission and the State Chair of the Republican Party was ethically challenged, by dramatically quitting and accusing him of ethics
violations (for which he was fined) she solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as
the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the status quo.
She is solidly Republican. Her battles with the Republican party were not over philosophy. They were over ethics and power. She is no political
maverick in terms of philosophy.
Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They don’t call her “Saint Sarah”; they call her “Sarah Barracuda” because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. When Sarah’s mother-in-law ran for Mayor, Sarah endorsed the person who was running AGAINST her
mother-in-law who was a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager.
McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President. It scares the heck out of me to think that someone as inexperienced as Sarah Palin could become President. There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.
However, there’s a lot of people who have under-estimated her and are regretting it.
________________________________________
Diana L.C.
This email is very well-written. I point that out because I’m a writer and I used to read emails for a living and letters, too.
Something about it has a ‘professional’ tone to it. Now I’m not disputing the info because I have no way of knowing what goes on in Alaska. What you described when describing Palin was a politician. It seems that they all have this personality. But I am suspicious of the origin of the email.
One of the reasons I don’t support 0bama is because he came on the scene as Palin described as a ‘Savior who could part the seas and heal the sick.’ In reality, he is a dirty politician and the personality described in that above email, could be 0bama.
Nothing in that email says that she is less experienced than 0bama. I’d say they are on a level playing field in that dept and whereas she has been governing for almost 2 years, he’s been running for POTUS after only 25 months in the Senate.
I think the reports of McCain’s death are greatly exaggerated. If he’s elected, he’ll have at least the opportunity to put an administration in place and she, like the other vice presidents who stepped in, will have to deal with a team in place. And serving out the rest of the term which could be anything from 2 years to a couple of months and gives the Parties a chance at re-election. I guess people think McCain isn’t going to serve any time. Sure that could happen. It could happen to anyone.
I think McCain is going to begin assembling his Cabinet early. I also bet Palin had to agree to terms with McCain and Party officials about hypotheticals. She’s relatively new and she does not have people around her yet who have power. So she’s at the mercy of who McCain has in place already. I doubt that the Repubs, of all people, would let her get away with a whole lot. And she also would have to name a vice president. I think she would be under a lot of pressure to tow the line in serving out any term if McCain were to expire.
If we elect 0bama, there are no ‘what ifs.’ He’ll be POTUS. And his lack of experience is more frightening to me than hers.
who is that sitting with Palin? is it Janet Napolitano?
seeing the full clip I don’t find Palin’s comment as problematic as
the media has portrayed it.
and if it is problematic to Obama folks, and that is Napolitano, then why did she not defend Hillary?
oh, wait, if that is Napolitano, she, like the other Barky supporters
keeps her mouth shut about sexism against Hillary.
Yes Amalia. That’s our esteemed Gov Janet N.
And, you’re right. She should have spoken out to defend Hillary. However, she didn’t. And, I believe a lot of women in AZ are not too pleaseed with her support of BO.
hmmm.
So Palin believes that Hillary is doing herself a “disservice” by even mentioning the sexism?
1. Regardless of whether or not the clip was made while Hillary was still running, and before Palin was given the VP slot, it was still the wrong answer.
2. I recognize my vote for McCain/Palin as a strategic move. I recognize that we need to put our country first against Obama, but once that is done, it will be a policy first issue, and I will support Hillary over McCain/Palin, because Hillary’s policies do more for American people.
Hillary will probably NOT run in 2012. She was reluctant to run this time. She can and WILL get more accomplished as a VERY powerful voice in the Senate. And please… this is less about the womens’s “movement”, than it is to putting a competent person in power; (who just happens to be a woman)
IHO
I disagree.
I think that Hillary will run in 2012.
She will get a lot accomplished in the Senate and in the White House.
Throughout this discussion, Sarah Palin is sitting next to Arizona Governor, Janet Napolitano. Napolitano is an Obama supporter which I attribute to her apparently close connection to John Kerry.
Anyway, Napolitano agreed that Palin was being subjected to sexism by the media and had this to say:
“There’s a line that (former Texas Gov.) Ann Richards used to use about running for public office,” Napolitano said.
‘If you’re a woman, this is what happens: If you’re not married, you couldn’t get a man. If you’re married, you’re ignoring your man. If you’re divorced, you couldn’t keep your man. And if you’re widowed, you killed your man,’ Napolitano said. “So that when a woman runs, there does tend to be a different emphasis with the coverage.”
Napolitano has been subjected to some of the same sexist attention herself. She is apparently not feminine enough for some of the male observers.
A female candidate can’t win for losing.
I agree with those who say McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate is brilliant.
If Republican strategists have half a brain … they’ll emphasize the 4th clip shown above:
Palin: Alaska Corruption “Embarrassing”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mc943ltXMQ
What shines through is her “moral” core. No scripting. No political correctness. No focus groups on what people want to hear. She just said her beliefs from her heart and thoughts.
To bad we can’t have a Clinton / Palin ticket!
Send the good ole boys and the power brokers and the outdated programs that no longer hold any benefit for us … off to the “old elephant grave yard” (for those who are old enough to remember that old Tarzan movie
).
Imagine two powerful women gettin in there and kickin ass and cleaning house! Wow!
Just dreaming of course … but my heart is still with Hillary and we have to keep our eyes on the prize: Hillary 2012!
[...] I saw a clip of Sarah Palin on Hillary Clinton’s “perceived whine” over on No Quarter, and I thought, gee, with friends like [...]
Senator Clinton never “whined” about the sexist coverage and attacks. She made a complaint when the media made a sexist comment about Chelsea. She pointed out the she was always asked questions first in the debates and fought for fairness herself, because no one would do it for her.
Clinton WAS treated with sexism, but it was pointed out by her supporters and others, never herself. I think that needs to be clear.
If Hillary were the nominee, the Democrats wouldn’t be watching the Republican convention at this stage in the game. The election would have been over and done by now.
Instead, we are stuck with a weak nominee who didn’t give the party a chance to heal by denying the roll call to go through, and thereby making his ’selection’ illegitimate. This shows extremely poor judgment on the part of the nominee and the party. We are now paying for it by losing the popularity contest that we started playing.
In Jun/July, Obama should have solidified the Dem base instead of prancing around the world giving feel good speeches to foreigners. He should have not flipped on FISA and continued to criticize Bush administration, and connect with average Americans about their economic anxieties. He should have held town hall meetings with Hillary supporters to win them over with hard work and perseverance instead of going off to Hawaii for JFK type photo ops. He should have did the political rounds to make sure that the role call count would reflect him as the winner so that we can let the primary process play out normally. He did none of that. And now the party suffers.
Such is the failure of leadership and the poor judgment of the faux messiah.
The only constructive thing left to do now, is to vote down ticket democrats in congress. The Titanic that is the Obama campaign is on a certain collision course to doom.
I am not stuck with anything because I am voting for McCain and Palin and every other Republican on the ticket. I already spoke to one guy running in my district and asked if he was supporting Obama. He said yes. I said well then you’re not getting my vote.
We bitch and complain because Sarah Palin said something honest, Hillary was PERCEIVED as whining-she didn’t say she was whining. Then we say we’re going to vote downticket Dem’s who helped stick it to her. I am not voting for one stinkin’ Democrat this year. They all jumped ship on Hillary. Hillary may not be able to do much about it but I sure as hell can. The best thing I can do for her is kick all their stupid asses out of office.
Did saying something help Hillary? NO, they just jumped her more. Men just love to get women all riled up and upset. The best thing to do is just ignore them. Those sexist comments are so petty and stupid anyway, it only shows how insecure they are with themselves. It’s wrong, it’s stupid but I don’t see that changing anytime soon. We all got mad when they did it to Hillary but that didn’t stop them from doing it to Sarah Palin too so that line of fighting is not working. Feel sorry for them, I am not wasting my energy on them, they aren’t worth it.
They dont even give anyone a chance to hear the full question. I would assume the term “whiner” was offered by the questioner.
Since I have total distrust of the Press now, it wouldn’t shock me if they deliberately left it vague so that people would be confused.
They all did not jump ship and I am voting down ticket for those Dems. I am not voting for my Congress person, but I am voting for the Govenor, Lt Governor, State legislature candidates – all backed Hillary.
The best thing to do is just ignore them
- I disaree.
The best thing isn’t to just ignore them, because then they won’t have any incentive to stop.
The best thing is to do what the GOP is doing, which is to call them out on it, and tell them to back off with the sexist attacks.
Palin has to understand that in thinking that Hillary did herself no good in complaining about the sexism, I think she’s wrong. Women need to pound back with a jackhammer at those who try to belittle us. We need to consistently make them so uncomfortable that they just stop spreading their trash.
HILLARY NEVER WHINED! MSM MANAGED TO IMPRINT THE WORD “WHINE” ON HILLARY, SO AS SOON AS THE WORD WHINE IS UTTERED, THE WORD “HILLARY” POPS UP IN THE NEXT SENTENCE.
HILLARY WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT–2012.
Just ordered one of these:
Barck Obama Quote – “I Inhaled” Button
oops, didn’t see this one:
McCain Palin Hillary 2.25″ Button
If you don’t want to click on the link, it says:
“If I can’t have HILLARY – I’ll take SAHRA”
Hillary didn’t whine -I will kick Sarah’ass.
People must not have listened to Sarah Palin very well. They are getting all bent out of shape over NOTHING. This is what Sarah said “fair or unfair, when Hillary even brings it up it’s perceived as a whine”. Do you see what she is sayin? She didn’t say Hillary was whining, she said people will PERCEIVE it that way. Big difference.
watch it again.
she says it hurts us “all”
she was careful to keep using the word “perceived”
but yes, she does take issue with the way Hillary handled herself.
And I say STFU!
It’s her opinion. I think she has no clue what happened to HRC-she doesn’t know the extent of it.
And she’s also in a very different position.
Other than that and the rabid pro-lifery I think she’s just wonderful and since Obama sucks I’ll vote for Mac.
Agree except I’m not voting for McCain and I don’t think that Palin is wonderful (many other issues are antithetical to mine besides Choice and I don’t know enough about her).
Janet Napolitano, you sat there and let one tiny bit of question
go on about hillary.
we will not forget your stupid support of Barky.
thanks to the post that affirmed that JN is sitting with Palin.
oh, and Howard Dean, your state and it’s population are smaller than
Alaska. the DNC can stuff it.
Strawberry, glad I could help. Yes the article was great. That website has some really good commonsense take on American politics.
To Ford, now if Bullwinkle is BO and Rocky is Joe, the ticket is still upside down. Rocky was always the leader and Bullwinkle the comic relief and follower.
You know every time I see or write BO I have a flash of the comic strip character B O Plenty. What was that strips’ name. Been years since I saw B O Plenty and my brain isn’t as young as it used to be.
IT seems there are many seeking to continue to divide, particularly, with the new Repug troll comments. I don’t see Repug trolls here, hardly ever, but I do recognise diversion and division tacticts, by O supporters.
First Senator Clinton is not running for anything, now at this time; support for her has been and will always be there, and everyone has a right to vote the way the want.
For awhile now many of us have said McCain, no matter what, after the take over by Obama and friends.
For awhile some have said they wouldn’t vote at all, or would vote third party candidate.
But until Gov Pail was brought on the ticket; no one had made mention of note voting for McCain, because of hurting Hillary-Actually the old troll argument was, “If you vote for MCCain, you are going against Hillary and everything she stands for”
Which looks like it has been re-structured now to include Gov Pail, and some divisive technique to pit women against each other.
That won’t work with voters who decided to vote For MCCain, as a means of voting against Obama.
This won’t work with voters who are disgusted with the Democratic Party.
It will be a gamble for all democrats who partake of the Palin bashing; beyond the expected political back and forth, and for me that is including Senator Clinton. Don’t you think Obama knows if he doesn’t win, he will never have another chance at this, or any probably any other office, and he has always stuck me as the type that doesn’t mind taking folks down with him, and who better than to try and ruin any future chances for Senator Clinton and he will do it, he’s got that spite thing going.
Senator Clinton is smart and will do political fighting but no further, she still has a career after this election, Obama doesn’t and knows it. Further I would suggest neither do his supporters who have gone to extremes in the party to deliver this to him. This is McCains last run at the office of President, he has nothing to lose. Obama will lose his whole future, as he loses and has also created a racial, and sexual division is this country that won’t be easily forgotten, or forgiven.
Finally, I have always said vote, for whomever you want,, and I stick by that with one dose of reality added.
If you write in and unknown, there is no way to count the vote. It is conglomerated with all the unknown write ins and shown in a statistical analysis-somewhere on election night.
If you write in someone on a ticket who is known but no longer running, it shows but still is a 0 in count-there are no electoral representations for this- this tally to goes nowhere, save the polls.
If you vote an independent on the ticket it will show up on count, but have no electoral representation.
If you vote a known, it will show up on count, and have electoral representation.
LET’S NOT BE FOOLED BY THE CHEAP TALK IN GOING TO DO THIS AND THAT,I want a doer and Sarah Palin is a doer.SARAH PALIN HAS ALL READY PROVEN SHE STOOD UP TO THE OIL COMPANYS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA AND SHE WILL HERE TO.
WOW, Sarah Palin has taken on the oil companys not just taLking about doing it.She is who we need for V.P.-Palin has done for all the people in her Alaska states not just pick or choose.Just think what she can do for the working class workers all over.I heard senator- and all say I will do this I will do that.But we have Sasrh Palin who has done itr.Sarah Palin I live in and out in the country and Sarah Palin will be great for us.We need Sarah Palin and John McCain.I can see Oba a- Michelee and Clinto going out attacking Sarah but for me.I see greatness in Sarah Plain for all of us.I will never fall in line to the dnc.We have a change now.And I am going to take it with McCain and Sarah Palin.
LET’S NOT BE FOOLED BY THE CHEAP TALK IN GOING TO DO THIS AND THAT,I want a doer and Sarah Palin is a doer.SARAH PALIN HAS ALL READY PROVEN SHE STOOD UP TO THE OIL COMPANYS FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA AND SHE WILL HERE TO.
GO Sarah Plain,We are behind you!
How Palin Beat Alaska’s Establishment
September 5, 2008; Page A13
If you’ve read the press coverage of Sarah Palin, chances are you’ve heard plenty about her religious views and private family matters. If you want to know what drives Gov. Palin’s politics, and has intrigued America, read this.
Martin Kozlowski
Every state has its share of crony capitalism, but Big Oil and the GOP political machine have taken that term to new heights in Alaska. The oil industry, which provides 85% of state revenues, has strived to own the government. Alaska’s politicians—in particular ruling Republicans—roll in oil campaign money, lavish oil revenue on pet projects, then retire to lucrative oil jobs where they lobby for sweetheart oil deals. You can love the free market and not love this.
Alaskans have long resented this dysfunction, which has led to embarrassing corruption scandals. It has also led to a uniform belief that the political class, in hock to the oil class, fails to competently oversee Alaska’s vast oil and gas wealth, the majority of which belongs to the state—or rather, Alaskan citizens.
And so it came as no surprise in 2004 when former Republican Gov. Frank Murkowski made clear he’d be working exclusively with three North Slope producers—ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips and BP—to build a $25 billion pipeline to move natural gas to the lower 48. The trio had informed their political vassals that they alone would build this project (they weren’t selling their gas to outsiders) and that they expected the state to reward them. Mr. Murkowski disappeared into smoky backrooms to work out the details. He refused to release information on the negotiations. When Natural Resources Commissioner Tom Irwin suggested terms of the contract were illegal, he was fired.
What Mr. Murkowski did do publicly was instruct his statehouse to change the oil and gas tax structure (taxes being a primary way Alaskans realize their oil revenue). Later, citizens would discover this was groundwork for Mr. Murkowski’s pipeline contract—which would lock in that oil-requested tax package for up to 40 years, provide a $4 billion state investment, and relinquish most oversight.
Enter Mrs. Palin. The former mayor of Wasilla had been appointed by Mr. Murkowski in 2003 to the state oil and gas regulatory agency. She’d had the temerity to blow the whistle on fellow GOP Commissioner Randy Ruedrich for refusing to disclose energy dealings. Mr. Murkowski and GOP Attorney General Gregg Renkes closed ranks around Mr. Ruedrich—who also chaired the state GOP. Mrs. Palin resigned. Having thus offended the entire old boy network, she challenged the governor for his seat.
Mrs. Palin ran against the secret deal, and vowed to put the pipeline back out for competitive, transparent, bidding. She railed against cozy politics. Mr. Murkowski ran on his unpopular pipeline deal. The oil industry warned the state would never get its project without his leadership. Mrs. Palin walloped him in the primary and won office in late 2006. Around this time, news broke of a federal probe that would show oil executives had bribed lawmakers to support the Murkowski tax changes.
Among Mrs. Palin’s first acts was to reinstate Mr. Irwin. By February 2007 she’d released her requirements for pipeline bidding. They were stricter, and included only a $500 million state incentive. By May a cowed state house—reeling from scandal—passed her legislation.
The producers warned they would not bid, nor would anyone else. Five groups submitted proposals. A few months before the legislature awarded its license to TransCanada this July, Conoco and BP suddenly announced they’d be building their own pipeline with no state inducements whatsoever. They’d suddenly found the money.
Mrs. Palin has meanwhile passed an ethics law. She’s tightened up oil oversight. She forced the legislature to rewrite the oil tax law. That new law raised taxes on the industry, for which Mrs. Palin is now taking some knocks, but the political background here is crucial.
The GOP machine has crumbled. Attorney General Renkes resigned. Mr. Ruedrich was fined $12,000. Jim Clark—Mr. Murkowski’s lead pipeline negotiator—pleaded guilty to conspiring with an oil firm. At least three legislators have been convicted. Sen. Ted Stevens is under indictment for oil entanglements, while Rep. Don Young is under investigation.
Throughout it all, Mrs. Palin has stood for reform, though not populism. She thanks oil companies and says executives who “seek maximum revenue” are “simply doing their job.” She says her own job is to be a “savvy” negotiator on behalf of Alaska’s citizens and to provide credible oversight. It is this combination that lets her aggressively promote new energy while retaining public trust.
d-Today’s congressional Republicans could learn from this. The party has been plagued by earmarks, scandal and corruption. Most members have embraced the machine. That has diminished voters’ trust, and in the process diminished good, conservative ideas. It is no wonder 37 million people tuned in to Mrs. Palin’s convention speech. They are looking for something fresh.
NOOBAMA-NO DNC There is noone who will take me away from Sarah Palin or McCain….NOONE! I know the Obama camp will try by useing Hillary in doing so But they will say anything
McKatmoon, you are correct about how the vote is counted.I used to be on the counting board in our rural county.
You are also correct about how B O will react. He probably doesn’t mind taking people down with him because “he’s got this spite thing going.” What else
can be expected with someone who parked in the pew of a church ran by a hate mongering racist for 20 years?
I hope you are not right about the damage in racial and gender relations. Maybe this will be an opening for fresh ideals and honest and open conversations to help bring the culture into the 21st century.
Clinton has too much class to sink to the level of hate mongering that is spewing from some people. She has respect for her office as senator, for her gender and for the voters to do more than what normally takes place in campaigns.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122057381593001741.html?mod=djemEditorialPage
News flash. Opera her staff wanting Palin on her show.Operh said that she wasn’t going to have any politics on her show.Plain out beat Operha’s ratings.Plain is called the Women most watched and most wanted.Some lady on the show said..Didn’t you have Obama and Michelle on your show.The Tv went off and avoided that question to only come back.There was no commerece break.It just went to one,FAST
I am an ex-Hillary supporters.I am not for McCain and Palin.Palin has taken on the oil company she didn’t just talk about it.Palin went after then like a pit bull and she got for the people in which Obama-Or Hilalry didn’t get.Palin is action and not ralk.
Obama is unfit and if Hillary was evn picked V.P I wasn’t going to vote for Obama.That would make it all wrong in all his bad judgements his flip flops his abused of Hillary.We have a great person in Plain in getting the people in what someone else shouild have sttod up for.Palin stood up for the people and corruptions.Now you see if I am this ,If I am that I willdo this.Gosh Why ?????When we have Plain who has done it and will do so much good in all areas.
McCain /Palin 08
NOOBAMA.
Good article, Country folks, I can see your passion. What newspaper is the article from? I can see why the establishment is very afraid of McCain\Palin with what is addressed there. I hope they can clean up more than the rotten apples in the DNC but also the rotten apples in the RNC.
I asked this question on another blog but did not get an answer. How can the citizens of America get an amendment to the constitution passed that would limit the terms in office for Congress? You know those rascals won’t bring one up for the states to ratify so how can it be done in reverse?
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=5736716&page=1
Let’s not forget Oprah went to Rev J.Wrights church as well.She was ask to get away from it because it will hurt her ratings.Well she still donates to the church.If she still goes at time don’t know.So thatt’s where she has her support for Obama.It’s wrong!That church is wrong.How can Operh go to a church such as that with the strong believes of kill the white people.The white people are racist.
Well look I have many afraican american friends as well as my children.Opera is wrong.She is not who she says she is..Going to that GOD DAM AMERICA CHURCH?
Palin even out beat Oprah rating.Now that’s something we can believe in.Palin doesn’t need to go on Oprah show.A person who went to GOD DAM AMERICA CHURCH.I WILL NOT EVER WATCH HER SHOW!!!!!!!
Down with Oprah!NOOBAMA
It’s McCain and Palin that this country needs.
So MSNBC is saying what? I can care less what MSNBC here.They lied on Hillary and now they want to make her look good so thir BHO can keep useing the people.MSNBC can drop off the fase of this earth for all I care,and Obama.I will never fall in line to a democratic party who treated Hillary and her supporters wrong.What gets me is that we Hillry supporters knows of Obama’s lies and bad judgements no matter on the internet or his flips flops on the media MSNBC -CNN did not say a thing about them,nothing.
I found what I need in McCain and Palin.And I will never go back to the DNC who treated us as well Hillary wrong.Palin sttod up for the people and took down the oil and her own party.Now wh has done that? Who just talks about it.Palin 44 years old and took down her party of coruptions. Obama does corruption.RezkoBill Ayers and more the list of lies from Obama is an never ended.But yet when something is said of him and the truth this is Obama’s words”They are going to make you afraid of me.They are going to say things that are not true.well Obama no you says things that are not true.By useing those words you are trying to brain wash people into thinking that is what people will do.Hell no Obama is unfit to run anything!
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