Where is Clinton?
By Matthew Weaver on September 5, 2008 at 11:30 PM in Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Hate Speech, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Misogyny, Sarah Palin, Sexism
Since Obama’s coronation and McCain’s bold selection of Governor Sarah Palin as his VP choice we’ve seen worse and more blatant misogynism than ever thrown at Clinton during the primary. Obama’s cult following, nutroots gangs, and media have savaged Palin and her family with derogatory, sexist, and vicious rants that have no place in any public or private conversation, much less as part of the political election debate. Throughout this orgy of hate, not one word from Clinton. Not once did she voice protest or urge calm. She sat this out.
Now I support Clinton and did so, respectfully, during the primaries. I suffered derogatory and racist rants from the nutroots gangs, received the hate mail, and endured attacks on my blogs just like every other Clinton supporter. I ended the campaign set to pick up Clinton’s banner again after November and especially in 2012. As previously promised, I have now put my support behind McCain. No to Obama is no to Obama.
I’ve got to be very honest and say today that I am very troubled by Clinton’s out-of-sight inaction on the Democratic attacks against Governor Palin.
Make no mistake, these are Democratic attacks. I realize that Clinton wants to be the party loyalist but is she not an American first?
Weren’t her words and actions throughout her career and during the campaign real? That she hasn’t directly spoken out reflects poorly on her and her legacy. I increasingly wonder if everything she said was, like Obama, ‘just words”? Politics are rough and tumble but there are limits, there are words and actions that are inappropriate. Clinton should know first hand how hateful and how damaging the hate is. Yet, she says nothing, does nothing. Obama has only spoken on the matter once.
If Clinton does not say anything, if she continues to ignore the hate and thereby provide her acceptance and blessing to what Obama and his cult, nutroots gangs, and media following have and are doing, then she will lose my respect. I cannot support and respect someone who will not stand tall on simple matters of right and wrong. The hate spewed by Democrats is wrong and Clinton should know this. To not only sit this out, but to go out campaigning for the candidate most responsible for it is equally wrong.
This is Clinton’s 3 a.m. moment in politics and as a political leader. What she does or does not do will forever mark her.
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Don’t touch it Hillary. Its Not Your Fight.
He Stole the nomination let him fight the battle for the presidency.
Now if he wants to step down and hand it over to you including the ticket, thats a different story, but until his does NO WAY!
Hillary is going to stick to McCain and Issues.
Go Hill!
Lets not attack CLinton.
She stood up for us when it was her turn to do so.
Don’t expect her to fight every fight for you.
Fight with your vote.
Grow Up America. If it offends you do something about it.
Talk is
cheapObamaActions speak louder than words.
Vote your beliefs not your party.
Vote based on a man’s character not the color of his skin.
I am not attacking Clinton. I am a supporter. I am saying that she needs to show character and leadership, lest she be tarred with the hate Obama and his ilk are spewing.
Having her say anything in defense of Palin at this time is not politically astute.
Let them do their worst. the more they do the madder america will be and thy more Hillary will be vindicated.
Thi sis not a battle we are fighting this is a war. there are long term objectives and one of them is ensuring that Hillary is not blamed for Obama’s failure.
If she speaks out then any loss of female support will be blamed on her and she will be finished politically in the D party and Obama will be sure to run again.
Think strategically. Stop asking her to do for us what we are not willing to do for ourselves.
If obama and his assholios can flood airwaves and callin lines and message boards and chant in streets we can to.
THIS IS ABSOLUTLEY NOT HILLARY’S 3:00 AM MONENT!
Really the more i read this post the more offended i am by how incredibly near sighted and how potentially damaging this is to Hillary to try and make it HER responsibility to get the democratic brats to behave!
Very Poorly Thought Out Post!
Absolutely! Matthew, you are giving an impression that this site is slowly turning towards becoming a Repug site, and not an anti-Obama and pro-Hillary site. There’s a reason why we see Hillary’s picture below Larry Johnson, and not that of Palin or McCain.
Last I checked, Larry Johnson has not endorsed John McCain.
No Hillary supporter is endorsing John McCain or Palin. We are merely doing an anti-Obama vote this Nov, nothing more, nothing less.
The fact that Hillary has not said a thing about Palin speaks volumes that Hillary understands what is going on, and I do not doubt that Hillary finds the sexist attacks on Palin revolting.
But I think Palin does not need Hillary’s help. She has the Republicans defending here, isn’t it?
No one from the Democrats defended Hillary when she was attacked. Hillary is not as fortunate as Palin is. And remember, Hillary earned what she has achieved so far, while Palin was merely selected by a man to be a VP candidate; she did not struggle as Hillary did. Palin cannot hold a candle to Hillary’s achievements.
Hillary needs to take back the Democratic Party from Obama and the Obamabots, and the only way she can do that intact is to appear as a loyal Democrat to the party’s rank and file.
To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.
Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary was not so fortunate.
This is overall a very poorly thought out post, if not the worst I have seen on No Quarter. Postings like these give ammunition to the likes of Obama and Taylor Marsh to label us Hillary supporters as repugs.
Overall, I am very disappointed in the posting you have made here, Matthew Weaver.
I think you owe Hillary an apology.
Hillary ‘12!
Agreed!
No he does not, none of you can say what Clinton is going to do or say when she gets to Fl to push Obama on the voters, she may very well go after Palin.
That message is not Hillary saying that to Obama it is something put out there but maybe someone from her camp we will all have to wait and see what line she takes.
Why is she attacking Mc Cain now when she did now want to do it before? SHe already said Obama cannot lead so what is she going to say now in his defense, Hillary better be very careful what roads she takes because honestly a lot of us will be waiting and watching.
What rubbish, SJ. Clearly you have no political brains. Do you want to take back the Democratic party from Obama or not?
Use your brains, or evidently you do not have one.
McCain is not Hillary Clinton. McCain did not defend Hillary, and neither did the GOP women.
Stop asking Hillary to defend McCain or Palin.
Hillary ‘12!
The problem is that if Hillary is too out there lending support to the Obama campaign, it could very well lead to Obama’s becoming President, in which case there won’t be any to “take back” the Democratic Party, you schmuck.
On the other hand, if Hillary isn’t out there enough lending support to Obama, his people will hold HER personally responsible for his failure to win the Presidency and Hillary’s chances of getting any support from the Democratic Party (as it is now) will be the same as it was this past year. And anyone who thinks that the Democrats who were in charge of this charade of a primary will be pushed aside has a lot to learn. The PUMAs who have largely repudiated the Democratic Party since the RBC decision will find the Party NOT willing to take them back into the fold.
If you really want Hillary in 2012, Obama has to lose big time AND the apparatchiks who foisted Obama on the public will have to be ousted. But, having Hillary fail to chastise the Party apparatchiks and the media for continuing sexist attacks through the rest of this election cycle will likely come back to haunt her in a 2012 campaign–she and her supporters screamed “sexism” in 2008 when she was the target but did nothing to stop the sexism against Palin later that year. Yeah, that’ll look real good for her in 2012.
Idiot. Palin and the GOP women did not defend Hillary so Hillary does not owe Palin a thing.
Dissing Hillary is not going to help with the anti-Obama pro-Hillary people.
The Republicans have trashed Hillary for 16 years and were waiting for her to be knocked out of the race completely. How relieved they must have been when she wasn’t picked for VP. It was only then I heard of Palin’s name.
It breaks my heart to read so many posts criticizing Hillary.
Not only did Palin and the GOP women not defend Clinton, Palin gave an interview calling Clinton a whiner.
“ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, in a video interview with Newsweek, posted on YouTube, discussed the coverage of Sen. Hillary Clinton. In an interview that appears to have taken place during the Democratic primary, Palin criticizes Clinton for her response to media scrutiny she received while on the campaign trail….”
Here’s the link to that interview;
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/did-palin-call.html
Note: many other sites that had linked to this youtube interview no longer have it available. Can’t say I’m surprised.
I knew it i knew it i knew it.
I said since the day those videos apperaaed here , that the videos were edited so that it could be seen as if the Gov was calling her whining.. because they chopped off the questions she was asked
Lochos, your statement attacking the previous posters brains, or lack thereof, reminds me of the BOts. In the same way I will not endorse the nasty behavior of the Bots or the MSM or the DNC or BO’s campaign, I will not endorse it in PUMA’s. The rabid, herd mentality of the BOts was hateful in the extreme. They are now paying the price. So if you want to talk about brains, stop and think - why would you attack a PUMA? We are stronger than that - there is no need to belittle another’s view. In fact, that is one of the things so admirable about PUMA - we leave each other the room to make our own decisions - vote McCain/Palin, don’t vote for President, vote for a third party, write in Hill. The one unifying theme is NO BO, NO WAY!
PUMA!
Because if a PUMA slams Hillary, then that PUMA was probably a repug or an Obamabot in the first place.
I am pissed with people attacking Hillary, these people are idiots and morons.
Actually, during the primaries, McCain did “defend” Hillary at least once, I recall. It was so remarkable, because NOBODY on the dems side did so.
Soemtimes you just have to do the right thing.
Colin Powell–I had respect for this man and probably would have voted for him if he had run for POTUS. But after he “sold” the war while inspectors were still on the ground pleading for more time…
Country before Party!
Do you have any idea how little sense you’re making? Do the names “Ed Rendell” and “Michael Nutter” ring a bell? How about any of the other hundreds of Democratic elected officials who supported Hillary?
Supported is not the same as calling out the MSM and fellow Dems who trashed Sen. Clinton on a daily basis. Not a single Dem stood up to protest the insults and lies.
Rendell did.
actually, McCain DID defend Hillary
If Hillary wants to defend Palin, then YES, but after election, NOT NOW!!!!
Now is the time to stick with what She promise to US for 17 months, not to throw Her support to Palin. NOT NOW!!!
LaMusing,
Unfortunately, there have been posters, including front page posters who do not follow the direction you speak of and push the their opinion, which is only vote for McCain/Palin, any other vote enables Obama to be President.
As far as Hillary coming out to defend Palin, come on. I didn’t see McCain out there defending Hillary and I didn’t see Palin either. In fact, I saw a condescending video on the “perceived whine” from Palin.
Wrong.
Hillary has already stated that she will be attacking McCain - NOT Palin:
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Obama and those bitches in the DNC stole the Democrat nomination. And they didn’t put Hillary on the ticket. So this battle is theirs - NOT the Clintons.
Obama’s reaction to Palin is one of the VERY reasons why he’s DEFINITELY not qualified to be POTUS.
AGREED!!
If this site starts attacking Hillary…many of us will leave
I completely and totally agree with you, Lochos and Jeremiah. I am fed up with everyone expecting Hillary to save their asses. I heard a rant today from Sean Hannity against the way Gov. Palin is being trashed, but I don’t remember him saying a word in defense of Hillary. Rush Limbaugh was doing the same yesterday and he has called Hillary a feminazi. Even the evil Dick Morris has nothing but praise for her and nothing but disgusting, sexist remarks about Hillary. Your attitude, Matthew, is sexist. Do you thing Sarah Palin and the Republicans can’t fight this fight without Hillary? You want to protect Gov. Palin from these nasty, abhorrent attacks and I understand that. Really. She is pretty, sassy and charming and she is a member of the party which has spent more than a decade trying to destroy Hillary. Republican women were weeping when she spoke and the Republican men are ready to take up arms against those who insult her. Hillary has talked the talk and walked the walk for three decades for women’s rights, and to borrow a quote from McCain, she has the scars to prove it. Now you and others want Hillary to put aside all chance she has of accomplish long established goals for another woman who has ample support from her party and many advocates and protectors. There was a video on River Daughter of Sarah Palin talking about Hillary and she called her a “whiner”, so now she has to walk a few miles in Hillary’s shoes, the same shoes Hillary has worn almost as long as Palin has been alive. I really, really resent your post. As a woman and fellow human being I am deeply offended by the attacks against Gov. Palin. I don’t plan to vote for Obama. I am delighted that McCain dropped this bombshell on both parties and I can imagine Hillary appreciates the irony, but why has Hillary’s name been brought up in nearly every single comment since Palin’s nomination? Leave her the hell alone to do what she has to do. She has paid her dues.
Well said Elise. I fully agree with you, Jeremiah, and Lochos. Leave Hillary alone and let her get on with the work she has to do so she can run again in 2012. And frankly if the Republican Party hadn’t trashed both the Clintons for over a decade I doubt if the media, Barry and his Bots, and the DNC would have been able to sling so much misogyny and sexism.
Two quick points;
On numerous occasions, I have heard Sean Hannity defending Hillary and also saying the sexist attacks were wrong and unwarranted. Even Ann Coulter has mentioned HRC deserved her respect . . . she did a whole column on “obama being selected not elected” which I commented on in my blog.
Also, I heard Palin’s comment about HRC; if you listen carefully I think you will find it wasn’t a slam against Hillary so much as it was an acknowledgment that bringing up misogyny by the media can be interpreted as whining.
Let’s face it, the worst offenders, like Chris Matthews, always says he’s not the sexist, and stop your whining.
Thank God! Someone who knows what time it is! I saw Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly stand up for Hillary way back in March! That is when my husband and I started watching Fox because CNN and MSNBC called Hillary everything but nice. Fox bashing without knowing what is going on there is so yesterday, they really have been the only network that Hillary or Sarah have gotten any support from. The times they are a-changing! Keep up!
Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reily were having a field day talking about how much more fair and balanced they were and they were doing it to raise their rating. Completlely different story if Hillary had won. Don’t kid yourself.
CAN’T BELIEVE IM SAYING THIS BUT AFTER SEEING HOW OLBERMANN AND MATHEWS WENT AFTER CLINTON LIKE RABID DOGS, ACTUALLY FOAMING AT THE MOUTH, I COULD NO LONGER WATCH THEM AND NOW WATCH FOX NEWS.(ACTUALLY THEY ARE TRYING TO BE MORE FAIR AND BALANCED NOW)EVEN THO I KNOW IN MY HEART THAT THEIR DEFENSE OF HILLARY IS JUST SO MUCH B/S ,THEY ARE AT LEAST STANDING UP FOR PALIN, WHICH IS MORE THAN THE DNC AND THE REST OF THE LEFT WING MEDIA DID FOR ONE OF THEIR OWN.
BTW. I only watch FOX news because I couldn’t stomach the other two. But I have a long memory and will not delude myself into believing they love Hillary.
Lochos: This is a republican website. as far as posters go.
Speaking logically does not include hasty generalizations. That will be one demerit.
Many HRC supporters are supporting McCain because he is the only qualified candidate left in the running who has a chance at being elected. I have bee here long enough to know who is a disaffected Democrat and who is a Republican. Most are the former.
Exactly. So we do not appreciate it when Hillary is being slammed because of Palin, just like in this post by Matthew Weaver.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
I agree.
Not a hasty generalization, but good try anyways Fred.
Lochos you’ve captured every feeling that
I had upon reading Mathew’s post. Thank
you for saying so well what I could only
hope to!
Is hypocrisy the buzzword of the day? With all due respect, you guys sound like a bunch of pandering nimrods. You think Hillary should continue to sit by like a nice little girl and keep her mouth shut?
88 years ago the brave women (and men) who obtained the Woman’s Right To Vote didn’t achieve it by sitting on their asses with their hand over their mouths. This is precisely the moment to speak up! The DNC is in ruins after this Primary season. People hate Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and Brazille…the only Democrat I have seen with any balls is Lieberman! The Obama thugs bullied US! Not just Hillary! They bought our party four years ago, they selected their candidate four years ago, and they decided to push the Clintons, and all of their supporters out of their rightful spot at the head of the helm. There was a successful mutiny against the Democratic party! We are not going to get it back without a fight and you are right about taking to the streets and speaking out, using our votes in November, but who will be our leaders iun this reform?
I strongly disagree with you Jeremiah, for the first time ever, this is not a GOP issue, this is a human rights issue, this is a Democratic party issue, this is a misuse of power issue, and damn it, this an American issue! So help me God, the Clintons are two of the most intelligent people in Washington, and if they sit back and shut up they are continuing to condone the DNC, and if they campaign for this asshole and tell us we’re better off with him over a true American bipartisan candidate then coming out in December or January with their TRUE feelings will be too late. Power not used for the greater good is a misuse of power. PERIOD.
I think the Clintons cannot do anything more than they are doing. Their party has gone nuts. They cannot straighten it out on their own. They gave it their all, tried their best to get Hillary on the ticket. They warned the SDs, warned the voters, they can’t do anything about it now.
Democracy is the responsibility of the voters. Americans were so stupid they gave Bush two terms. If they are so stupid to give Obama the WH, the Clintons criticizing him won’t help. Their criticism would probably galvanize the ‘bots.
Also, the real culprits responsible for Obama being the candidate are the media nitwits. The Clintons can’t do anything about that. This country is just too messed up for democracy nowadays.
Yes. Thank you.
I cannot talk sense into these morons (or Repugs?) who are demanding that Hillary defend Palin.
Palin has the Repugs defending her. Hillary has no one, except us loyal Hillary supporters.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Thank you again Lochos.
I want Hillary to run in 2012. If she speaks up for Palin outwardly, the Democrats will banish her forever.
Hillary will speak to the issue in due time in her way. If you are a true Hillary supporter you know what I mean.
88 years ago it was not just one woman it was many. Right now our woman is hurt. We are the ones who need to come to her aid and stand up against sexism.
The Clintons have yet to campaign for Barack. Hill’s camp told his camp that to not expect much. What’s that?? hello…
We are all doing exactly what the Republicans and Obama wants us to do. Start fighting each other so that in 2012 it will be Obama v. Palin not Clinton v. Palin. Palin wouild lose. They know this. Don’t buy into this bull.
I voted for Hill b/c she was the most qualified. Don’t ruin it for her. She doens’t deserve it after all she has done for us.
Matthew Weaver — Where were you when Clinton was out there all alone with the media attacking her and the Party dismissing her–Hillary is not the Messiah. She did her best when all were against her and we did not do enough to help.
What I see now in the Republican Party is support for their own. They have letter writing campaigns to advertisers on MSNBC and others who attack Palin saying that they will boycott their products. They are also contacting Newspapers and Magazines to cancel subscriptions of those who attack their nominee.
Ask yourself did you do enough to support Hillary when the powers that be wanted her gone? I know I didn’t do enough and I cannot ask her to do more for me than I was able to do for her.
With Hillary the Party could have won big and now they will lose. Nothing Hillary can say at this point will change that. Arrogance mixed with stupidity will do that to you. And a never vetted Community Organizer will not save the world.
You are right on s.Hall. They have organized a boycott against US mag. and that mag lost 10,000 subscribers in one week. If Bo had put Hillary on the ticket, these same people would have been attacking her the same way and Palin wouldn’t be on the ticket with McCain.
I can’t agree with this attack on Matthew. He is not saying that Hillary should speak out about what is being done to Palin. He is saying that (at least that’s what I think) she should speak out about the sexist, misogenistic attacks being directed toward Palin by Obamabots, liberal women, and the media. If I remember, we women weren’t real happy about Obama not speaking out against this very thing when it was directed at Hillary. Should he have–Hillary was his opponent? I wrote letters to media sources complaining about this kind of disgusting behavior when it was directed at Hillary, not just for Hillary but for all women. Palin is not Hillary’s opponent now, and I think personally that she should make a public statement about this vile treatment of women by the media and by other women who should know better. Do you really think that would hurt her in 2012? I don’t. If the media doesn’t change, she will get the same disgusting misogynostic treatment during her next run. There comes a time when we need to put values first. And I don’t think Matthew is alone in his feelings. It has nothing to do with Party politics, except that I believe that Obama fully knows and approves of the part his Obots have in this current wave of female hate.
The representative for the Democratic Party is Barack Obama. HE should scold the ‘bots, but he never does because he’s a sleaze. A corrupt Chicago pol. Bill and Hillary are not the national representatives of the Dem party now, the DNC kicked them out. Don’t criticize the Clintons–that’s just what the the ‘bots want.
and don’t think McCain didn’t know that he was putting Hillary in this bind when he chose Palin, but that is STILL the fault of the DNC and Obama Democrats.
You contradicted yourself in the first two sentences.
I “AGREE”!!!!! That’s the FEELING I got the FIRST time I read it!!!! Do we(notME) EXPECT her to fight EVERYBODY’S(NObama,Palin,Odnc,the WOLRD) battle? Come on now she’s ONLY 1 STRONG woman!!!!!
I agree, Jeremiah. There are enough people coming to Palin’s defense. She does not have to take a public position on this at this point in time.
Yep, I have to agree, it isnt Hillary’s job to come to the assist of Palin. Political people of that stature dont typically run around voicing their private concerns. Hillary has already done more than enough for the ungrateful Dem Party in my opinion. If she says anything more she will be campaigning on the issues against McCain, that is because she is a consummate professional, not a gas-bag talking head or politico thug like the rest of them.
Besides of which I think this misses the whole point - Sarah Palin is obviously made of tough stuff she isnt exactly going to melt down under the nastiness the media deals out. Let em do it,they are further shooting themselves in the foot.
As it becomes clearer that the Democrats are going to lose over this issue–you will see Democratic Party women come out to support Palin in huge numbers — just to save Obama’s skin. Too late — the die has been cast. This election will not be about this rotten economy or the two wars which go on endlessly — its going to be about women and those who don’t line up solidly behind women will face the wrath of the voters.
Hillary can sit back and enjoy the backlash — if it wasn’t for her Palin would not be where she is right now. What goes around comes around.
McCain gets it and this is why he is trying to appeal to Hillary Democrats. As a Hill Dem who has never voted Republican he and Palin will get my vote this year. Welcome to all Republicans who are new to this site. Its interesting to get your perspective and to find that so many of us are on the same side after all.
I hear your frustration Matthew; however, this is not Hillary’s fight if you are thinking like a partisan.
Hillary is smart and I think she will find a way to wade through this murky time.
I think what is frustrating me more than anything is that Palin got to say many things about that Hillary couldn’t.
During the primary, we had Hillary rules and Obama rules. That was a completely different kind of fight, and the media was ruthless with Hillary. Our party wants Hillary out, and she could not afford to be a political maverick that we wished she could be. It was a very treacherous environment for her. It still is.
I think if she did not have any debt, that would free her tremendously. Obama has done very little for her in that regard. I, for one, think he owes her a few million at least for her stumping for him.
As repugnant as it is to see her go to bat for him, she is proving to her party that she is a team player. That may hurt her because what Palin brings to the race is a reputation of a straight shooter that will go after any corrupt person, even those in her party. When Hillary stands up for Obama, it is as if she is standing up for the corrupt and undemocratic process that made him our nominee.
I just see Obama as continuing to hurt Hillary no matter what she does. Let us give her time to work through this.
I support Hillary all the way and will defer to her best judgment. (Though I will not vote for Obama.) I do hope that she will find an opportunity to state publicly that she deplores the sliming of the Palin children. She has been there with Chelsea, and she can make such a statement without in any way casting it in political terms.
Barack Obama, in order to appeal to Hillary Clinton supporters in key battleground states, is going to use her own stump speeches and bring her out to make voters believe he means them. The strategy is that you will not be able to tell her and Obama apart. Remember the tired argument, “they’re exactly the same on every issue.”
Obama, seeing hope in Ohio, shifts schedule there (RCP)
Philip Elliott
Even Friday, Obama borrowed pieces of Clinton’s stump speech during a stop at a glass factory near Scranton, employing the same rhetoric that helped Clinton win in Pennsylvania.
“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.
Obama aides also believe that Republican nominee John McCain is unlikely to match the GOP voter turnout that President Bush got in 2004, something McCain’s own aides acknowledge. The Obama campaign also is trying to narrow the margin of Obama’s loss in rural regions, such as this area in rural Ohio where cell phones don’t work and bales of hay line the winding roads.
What is this Obama bullshit?
“I have to say to you: I’m not perfect, but the one thing people can’t deny is that for my entire public life, I’ve been fighting for folks like you, ordinary, middle-class families and working families, helping them getting ahead,” Obama said.
WHAT???!!! OBAMA HAS BEEN FIGHTING FOR THE WORKING CLASS HIS WHOLE LIFE? WHO IS HE TRYING TO F**** BULLSHIT? This coming from the guy who said that the working class are bitter and cling to their guns and religions!
LOL. I just had to fall on the ground laughing. WHAT A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
The point being that Obama is now parroting Hillary Clinton. This plan by his campaign was hatched when they appeared in Unity, NH in matching powder blue. First, the idea of Hillary as a hostage is not an empowering one. Second, everyone knows how Obama operates by having his surrogates sling mud while he waits two or so days to “condemn” these low politics. Everything around Obama is tainted, which is why nobody wanted to run as his VP. Some say Hillary turned him down three times, but her going out with him and working harder for him than his own VP doesn’t look like it. Lastly, if Hillary is an active surrogate while sexist attacks are used against Sarah Palin, she looks as guilty as Obama himself, since he is now trying to pass himself off as Hillary. Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin; the Republicans will do that. She does need to speak out against sexism in the media, if she is campaigning with Obama. The best thing she could do is not have anything to with his campaign at all and work for downticket Democrats.
No. you are wrong. HRC has done all she has to and more, and she has suffered enough.
I will not participate in this effort to divide pumas, i don’t care how you qualifuy it whether you vote obama or not.
Clinton can criticise McCain and republican program and policies, that is all. she is not going to heap praise on obama. that is ok in my book.
I am sick and tired of men telling HRC what to do, you know?
I will not participate in this slam of HRC. YOu say you are an HRC supporter? Well if you were you would not be posting something like this.
I’ve got her back always. I know what she has to do now.
MOstly, we have better things to talk about than second guessing Clinton. We have to make sure barky is defeated, and hammering clinton again is not the way to do it.
wonderful post Dr. Kate.
I agree with you, Matthew. I wish Hillary would take a very vocal and firm stand against the hate and sexism that is being thrown at the Palin family, especially Sarah. I’ve never been a fan of political expediency. That’s why I can’t stand Obama.
Hillary is in a unique position to speak out about what has been going on since Palin was announced as the VP choice. I see this as a golden opportunity for her to show real leadership–to put common decency over politics. Too many people expect her to act in a self-serving manner. That has always been the rap against both of the Clintons, and Hillary’s silence just reinforces their already raging cases of CDS.
Hillary doesn’t owe the Democratic Party anything at this point anyway. Gosh, I wish so much she would do the right thing here. And coming to the Palins’ defense IS the right thing to do.
Thanks, Matthew, for your honesty. You surely knew that you would get ripped for making this post at NQ. As Lou Grant once said, you’ve got spunk!
To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.
Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary did not.
Hillary ‘12!!!
This has nothing to do with protection or/and defense. Women (and Men) doesn’t need to be protected. They need rights.That’s all. And Hillary has to stand up for her points of view as well as Obama. They both are accountable as the same of the rest of human beings are accountable too. Said this I don’t think Hillary has to fight EVERY fight on the earth. People have to live their owns lives and they cannot ask for the leader that she does ALL and fight ALL. This is simply impossible. And wrong. She’s a leader, not Superwoman/man.
I’m sick of Hillary being blamed for everything. This post goes too far. Hillary has not attacked Sarah Palin in any way–and she won’t. Why is she expected, at this moment, to counter the whisper campaigns of the blogosphere? Give her a break! When she is out campaigning next week, I’ll bet she will address the media’s sexism. Just leave her be, for Christsakes!
I didn’t hear Palin making references to the size of Obama’s penis, talking about his balls, or denigrating his maleness, or his ability to parent while running for the Presidency. If she had then I would expect Bill Clinton to stand up and say this kind of bashing was not appropriate.
There’s a differences in taking a stand against misogyny–may have spelled that wrong– and defending Obama against Palin’s exceptional political attacks.
Put a sock in it, Repug. Hillary does not owe anything to the Repugs who has demonized her for the last 16 years before Obama arrived on the scene and took over the job.
She’ll be back in 2012 to kick some Repug ass!
HILLARY OVER MCCAIN/PALIN 2012!!!
You need to put a sock in your mouth and stop calling names! I happen to be a registered democrat who voted for Hillary Clinton and I happen to own my vote. You are as bad as the Obamobots that will tolerate no dissention. You’re disgraceful!
You, MaryPat, are no supporter of Hillary Clinton’s.
I agree.
It saddens me to hear this attack toward Mary Pat. What has happened that we can’t have a differing opinion on taking a stand involving values and standing for what is right. We are not Hillbots; if we were we would be no better than Obots. To have an opinion does not mean we were not Hillary supporters. I am a Hillary supporter because I thought she was the best — and still do. Did I agree with her on everthing, probably not. Nor did everyone else. If we were Hillbots, we would all be planning to vote for Obama now.
I’ll vote for McCain, but Hillary does not need to defend Sarah Palin. Her spokesperson said she would be campaigning for downticket Dems and against the policies of the Republican Party. Palin doesn’t need her help. All the conservative radio and cable news and the Repug Party are doing just fine. Why isn’t NOW, Emily’s List and NARAL defending her? Well they didn’t do a very good job of supporting Hillary either. Afraid of being called racist I guess.
Quite the contrary. I think more highly of Hillary than her supporters here who are screaming to “leave her alone”–what kind of head-in-the-sand attitude is that? You believed enough in Hillary’s abilities to trust her to go up against despots and dicatators, but don’t think she should stand up for basic human decency, regardless of one’s party affiliation? Get past the politics, please. There are more important principles.
Your hero worship of Hillary and need to lash out at anyone who criticizes her is no different from the crap I see coming out of the Obamabots. I believe that Hillary has the leadership and character necessary to speak out and look like a stateswoman rather than a calculating politician. So who is the real Hillary supporter? Take your narrowminded judgment and shove it.
Stop asking what Hillary can do for you (and others), ask what you can do for her (and the country)
What gives anyone the right to question Hillary’s handling of this delicate situation?
You do what you have to do, she does what she has to do.Hillary may do things we don’t like, she has more facts to consider then we know. So just trust her, she deserves our trust, even if we don’t always understand completely.
And let’s make sure that no one will misuse the “non vote against Obama” to be used to put a wedge between us Hillary supporters.
I agree.
Update:
I agree with Matthew and Comment by MaryPat | 2008-09-06 01:20:06.
It’s not about Obama, it’s about being the right thing to do.
Matthew,
Give Hillary a break. She’s taken enough heat this election cycle and stood up to it. This is NOT her fight and she does (IMHO) NOT need to stand up for Palin. Palin and the Republicans can fight their own battles. I don’t like the smears and attacks against Palin anymore than you do, even given the fact she, Palin, doesn’t represent many of my values or world view. I’m going to stand up for equal rights and against misogyny with my vote. I think that’s more effective anyway.
She did. Her aides issued a statement that the sexism displayed towards Palin was inexcusable and unacceptable.
Hillary was the first dem to congratulate Palin on her nomination and the only dem …as per her aides to condemn the sexist attacks on her.
She did? How wonderful of Hillary to do so!
See Repugs? Stop attacking Hillary! I am so pissed off with the repugs postings on this site. THIS IS NOT A REPUG SITE, NO QUARTER IS A PRO-HILLARY, ANTI-OBAMA SITE!!!
Exactly Lochos, except I am not sure they are all repubs. There is an effort underway to undermine Hillary and only Obama benefits from that.
Actually, I believe you are wrong in taking this to Hillary.
Goddamn Amerikkka is right…it’s NOT politically intelligent for her to do so.
1)Let the media attack and blow their tops over Palin; the American public will see it.
2)Keep in mind that HIllary won ALL major primaries at the END of the campaign, in spite of obama’s sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting and all of his money. This means that with MORE sexism/misogynistic/racebaiting against Sarah, MORE AMericans will see it all for what it is.
NO, I think Hillary needs to do exactly what she’s doing.
LAYING LOW!!!!!
Get off her back, whether you “supported” her or not. I think this post is a bit out of place, and not because I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter.
No disrespect intended.
I disagree. It is not politically intelligent for Hillary Clinton to ignore misogyny directed against another woman any more than it was acceptable for the Democratic Party to condone the treatment Hillary received from her own party.
Especially after millions of women and men went to bat for her against that same treatment. I do not think it will harm her with her base of fair-minded average Americans to stand up against sexism against someone she disagrees with on political issues. In fact that is what we expect of her. As far as the dickheads running the Democratic Party, she needs to distance herself fom them as much as possible. They are the problem. Always equivocating and doing what they ask of her is not a good idea and that will harm her politically more than standing up for what is right and against what we all know is wrong.
No one is asking Hillary Clinton to go out and campaign for Palin/ McCain. I think it is necessary to speak out against unfair attacks on all women.
Being the smart (in the best sense of the word) politician that she is, her aides are doing it for her. She works in the world of politics and must play by those rules until the rules can be changed.
I totally get what you’re saying Matthew, and quite frankly, my husband and I have said the same thing all week. Where is Hillary, and what is her response to this?
As someone who suffered at the hand of this man, BO, I find it ironic that she should sit back in silence now. I believe with all my being that there is a place at the table for Hillary (and Bill) in a McCain Presidency. I do not believe after November, after BO has used her as much as possible that there will be any place for the Clinton’s in an Obama administration. I have awaken to the smell of the coffee and it is high time the Clintons AND her supporters do to. We no longer have any friends in the upper tier of the DNC (Dean/Nancy Church). Character counts, and truly standing up for Americans is what we are all desperately seeking in our leaders. If Hillary does not distance herself from Obama and the DNC at this moment in history, and just be an American first, then she will have no hope of carrying any weight in 2012.
She promised to fight for us, well, we’re still here Hillary, and we will have your back if you do the right thing.
I don’t believe you are a Hillary supporter. You’re supporting a false argument, she did denounce the sexism. This is as bad as calling her racist, no one who supports her would do that. She’s not on the ticket, it isn’t her fight, it’s for Biden and the O.
Why was it our fight when we spoke out against the sexist pigs in the media? we weren’t running for office. If you are a woman, then it’s your fight. If you have daughters, then it’s your fight. Sorry, but that’s the way I feel.
Any why did none of your GOP politicians, GOP women, Repugs spoke out against the sexism done to Hillary Clinton? When Hillary was stronger last year, in fact, many of you Repugs were engaged in the same sexist vile that Obama has been engaging in?
I find it outrageous that the GOP is suddenly the warrior defender against sexism when they have been perpetrating the same sexist attacks against Hillary for the last 16 years, since when Hillary started as one of the most engaged and active First Ladies in this nation’s history.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
It is our fight b/c we are the govbdernment. The people. If you truly support Hillary, let her do what she needs to do.
Agree completely tek.
I think you are wrong to criticize Clinton for sitting this one out. Sarah Palin herself said that she did not thing it was helpful to women when Clinton was pointing out the unfair attacks that were being lobbed her way.
I think by sitting in the sidelines, Hillary is doing two things. She is allowing the Obama Campaign to go overboard to the point where they suffer a backlash. Second, she is still the party loyalist ready to come back in 2012. I don’t thing she was “just words”, but she has to have a strategy to win.
you’re saying she doesn’t have leadership. That’s an attack and it’s false. I think men should just shut up about women in this race, period.
Mathew Weaver—leave Hillary alooone, God damnit! When Palin was announced as the VP, Clinton released a statement that congratulated her, showing class and leadership. Obama, on the other hand, released a snarky statement, showing his slimy character and lack of leadership. But he soon took Hillary’s lead by replacing his original statement with something more akin to Clinton’s. No doubt, her very example had an impact on the Obama campaign—and that’s leadership.
You say that this media feeding frenzy was Hillary’s 3am moment. But isn’t it Obama’s and his alone? As the nominee, shouldn’t he have stood up and stopped the misogyny the very moment it began? Oh, but I forget that his campaign started these vicious attacks in the first place!
Whether intended or not, your comments imply that Hillary is supposed to clean up the messes that Obama and the Pod Dems create. Furthermore, your argument presumes that Hillary alone could have stopped the attacks on Palin. We know through statements from those closest to Hillary that she disapproves of the attacks on Palin, and has even gone against the Obama campaign publicly to say that she will not attack Palin–the VP pick–when on the campaign trail, that her target will be McCain. This is another good example for Obama to follow,and shows her leadership.
As a feminist and Hillary supporter, her actions thus far are GOOD ENOUGH for me and say a lot about her character and leadership! Furthermore, Palin would not have taken the VP spot if she could not withstand such attacks—which, BTW, are not going to subside any time soon.
Here are some question for you or anyone else who doubts Hillary:
1) Is Hillary responsible for and does she need constantly to clean up Obama’s messes?
2) Had Hillary stepped in right away, wouldn’t she have she been accused of trying to take the spotlight away from Obama—and even Palin?
3) Would it have been wise for Hillary to step into a tempest, especially one she did not create or did not involve her directly? Consider this, had she directly intervened, Palin and McCain or the GOP might have chosen to chastise Clinton by saying that they didn’t need her to fight their battles– that unlike Palin, Hillary was just a whiner.
4) Finally, why aren’t you giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt? Why must she take the blame or be judged morally for what has occurred and will continue to occur to Palin?
MATTHEW WEAVER, NEW REPUBLICAN!
WHERE WERE YOU WHEN HILLARY WAS BEING DEMOLISHED?
WHERE WERE YOU MATTHEW, WHEN SARAH WAS SAYING THAT HILLARY SHOULD NOT “WHINE” BECAUSE SEXISM IS EVERYWHERE, BUT “WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT”!!!
LISTEN TO SARAH, MATTEHW WEAVER
AND QUIT WHINING. USE YOUR MALE CREDENTIALS ESLEWHERE TO EXERT AUTHORITY!
the republican party suits you perfectly !! stick with it!
Hillary Clinton must absolutely not lend Obama so much as the time of day. It’s crucial to the future of the country, yea the world, and it’s crucial to her reputation. People change; supporters are people too and they can change too. A Hillary who supports Obama is not a Hillary I like or the Hillary I thought I knew. And I really loved her. Really. But enough’s enough.
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Yep, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
I don’t always completely agree with you, Jeremiah, but on this issue I completely agree.
Jere — Thank you for refocusing the real issue here. I appreciate your clarity and conviction. I’m with you. “Let Barack iron his own damm skirt.” LOL
Quote from Hillary Clinton’s Facebook:
I just want to take a moment and say how disgusted I am at the sexism the Obama campaign supporters are showing towards Sarah Palin
Stop trashing Hillary!
Something is very wrong here. No one is trashing Hillary by stating an opinion. As as for facebook, how many people do you think visit that site? I don’t, so how should I know Hillary made such a statement? If the statement come from Obamabots, I consider the source; but from the media I get furious. It’s against not just Hillary and Palin, it’s against all women!
Faux outrage by a Repug. When will GOP women and politicians like Giulani and Romney start defending Hillary from sexist attacks?
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Just who in the hell do you think you are calling me a repug? You are a disgusting pig. Go f— yourself, fraud.
No real hillary supporter I know would be so rude and nasty to other supporters.
Yes they are.
I will not blame Clinton for the mess the Democratic Party got itself into. Barack Obama is the worst Democratic Candidate I have seen in my lifetime. He is so full of hate for most of us that he cannot contain himself. The Democratic Party has to remain totally loyal to him or he screams and throws a tantrum.
Hillary will not attack Palin and thats good enough for me. Its time for Obama to clean us his own shit. There is a good reason for long campaigns — the real truth about people comes out. We can see now that the Democratic Party was all talk when it came to women’s issues and their candidate without a teleprompter can’t even do that.
s. hall - I agree with you. She’s a victim of the hate, and I don’t think anyone can question that. If Obama has problems reaching out to people, that’s HIS problem, running to Hillary or any other women still loyal to party only continues to show how weak he really is.
I would like to see Hillary denounce sexism, but she’s on the front lines. She’s right there face to face with the enemy. If she thinks it’s better to keep silent, that’s her call. There’s no way for us to know what’s happening between her & Obama & his people. We’ve seen here how his cult work, but we have no way of knowing what she’s personally dealing with.
Personally, I want to see her to be in a strong position to run in 2012. From what I read, she’s already hinted or told Obama’s camp that she didn’t know how much help she could give him. Sounds like she’s already setting the boundaries that he’s on his own.
I agree that HRC stood strong against the barrage of sexism, misogyny and insults like NOONE. Always, including during Bill’s administration !!Her courage is unique. She took it with grace, strength and dignity. She never whined !
She defended her daughter agianst the miserable pimping comment and laughed (because it was laughable) at the MSM that always asked her first in the debates (b/c the media knew BO couldn’t take the questions and knew ZERO)
No question that what HRC has gone through is unparalleled.
Matthew Weaver,
You sound mighty righteous and fulll of fury against the only woman who showed guts to fight her own party during the most relentless Hillary-bashing (woman-bashing to you) in HIstory!
SARAH PALIN ACCUSED HILLARY OF “WHINING” about sexism. She said “JUST GRIN AND BEAR IT, HILLARY, I DO IT. IT’S EVERYWHERE. ACCEPT IT, HILLARY, WITH DUE RESPECT, OF COURSE!”
Weaver why shoudl Hillary come to her defence SARAH SAID SHE DOESN’T BELIEVE THERE’S ANY SEXISTM!
Watch the videso plese, see htem right here on No Quarter.
Hillary does not condone these attacks. By telling Sarah it’s the Dems, she includes herself!
She’s still, unlike you, a Democrat! Did you see her at the Stephanie Tubbs-Jones funeral? The MSNBC ‘journalists’ made cruel fun of her last week!
Please don’t rush to conclusions. You’re being grossly unfair to Hillary and as a recent Republican, Matthew, you should be proud of your party coming to the aid of Sarah!
But as man who calls himself a feminist, tell me what have YOU done to:
(a) alert the media about this treatment of Sarah being unacceptable to you (not NOQ)
(b) write your concerns to HIllary and get a response!
Methinks you’re hitting the wrong target but I haven’t yet figured why, Matthew!!
Yes, I read this earlier, plus the note that she has not responded to Obama’s proposed campaign schedule. But this is all second-hand. Clinton needs to speak for herself.
No.
I respectfully disagree.
You need to speak for her.
She spoke for us.
She was a victom of the same shit they are doing to palin now.
YOU as in all of us who are offended need to fight this fight.
Let our warrior rest for the next battle. This battle is ours to fight and we have 60 days to ensure the wrong man is not elected so that in 4 years the right woman can be.
I’m sorry, but if I remember correctly, John McCain belongs to the same republican machine that spent 20 years Clinton-bashing. Hillary has been hurt enough by the republicans and by a very divisive and bloody primary campaign. I am not voting for EITHER of the two clowns currently running, both of whom have trashed Hillary either directly or through their surrogates. And Sarah Palin cannot hold a candle to Hillary. It’s as though people have forgotten that?
Exactly. Thank you.
Hillary ‘12!
McCain/Palin 2008 = HRC 2012!
If obama wins there will never be Hillary 12.
Go ahead and not vote.
See how much good that does.
You cant go back and wish you would have when its over.
John McCain and Hillary are very good friends by the way. If you don’t know that then you don’t really Know Hillary.
No excusing of what the Republicans did against the Clintons for the years since they first entered the national arena, but thats their job, they are the opposition…but to see the Democrats do it to them this primary season is beyond the pale.
If you really do want Hillary running in 12 you need to ensure Obama does not win in 08.
Even that shitty president carter get the partys nomination for his second term run before the people said hell no.
Or did you forget about Teddy Never was a President Kennedy.
Think
Then Vote.
yeah, DON’T VOTE! Do EXACTLY as racist, pro-Obama Donna Brazile WANTS you to do. NOT voting will SURELY win Obama the presidency. Maybe that’s what all you “I’m not gonna vote” people REALLY want???? An Obamination presidency, huh???
REAL smart! Racist Donna B. will THANK YOU, and your ‘potty’ as Donna B. says (the REAL Democrat ‘potty’) will be FOREVER changed. The sexists, the racists, the liars, and the unfair/vile media will have won! This WILL NOT be an election won ‘by the people’!
As far as Hillary commenting, I think she needs to stay mum; if asked about it, she should say something like ‘yes, I know what she’s going through’ and leave it at that.
Amen to Nopers!!!!!!
That doesn’t do anyone any good. Unless we burn this DNC to the ground, Hillary and Bill cannot take over again. Hillary will do better under a McCain presidency. That nasty immature Obama and his nasty spiteful wife will freeze her out.
You need to vote AGAINST Obama if you live in a state that’s up for grabs. If you live in a red or blue state, your choice is easier.
I’m voting for McKinney.
Of course Palin cannot hold a candle to Clinton, either can Obama or McCain or Biden.
But Donna Brazille wants you to stay home.
Jeremiah,
You’re right on target! Hillary must not step in and defend Palin, that’s all it would take for obama and his thugs to BLAME her for his loss. As we all know, obama takes no responsibility for anything and thinks he is entitled to everything.
Our job is first and foremost is to make certain obama is defeated. It’s the only way we can ensure Hillary runs again in 2012.
Like him or not, McCain made a brilliant move choosing Palen. By doing so, he has effectively put the dems on the defense and, in the process, has put a huge spotlight on just how out of control sexism really is and now, irony of all ironies, we see the republicans defending their female candidate, thus fanning the flame that has pissed off so many women in the democratic party.
In the end, this will make it even easier for Hillary to run in 2012 and it will be a lot easier than it would have been, had Palen not come into the picture.
Lastly, when I was in Denver with the PUMApac group, they had printed up some T-shirts that pretty much says it all:
“Thank you, Hillary, We’ll Take it From Here”.
Oh, please, Kathleen. Hillary’s been set up to be the “fall guy” for an Obama loss since March! What the hell do you think all those party “leaders” were doing when they “urged” her to drop out? The longer she stayed in, the harder the leaders’ hearts became towards her.
If Hillary doesn’t give Obama 150% of her support, she’ll be cast as the “spoiled bitch” who couldn’t “get over” her loss. If Obama doesn’t win a crucial state (especially one of the many that Hillary won in the primaries), Hillary will get the blame for “not delivering her voters”.
If the current Democratic leadership (such as it is) is not purged from top to bottom following a McCain/Palin victory, Hillary won’t stand a chance of getting the nomination in 2012. She was the victim of an “anyone but Hillary” campaign among the Democratic leadership last year, as much as the blatant sexism we saw during the primary season. She may not be able to stop an “anyone but” campaign but she most certainly can continue attacking the sexism that was so rampant from the media AND her own party.
jeremiah — its always blame the woman. Matthew is doing the same thing that the media and the Democratic Party did to Hillary.
The woman is always wrong no matter what she does or doesn’t do. For me its the Democratic Party that pissed in their chips and it will give me great pleasure to watch them lose.
Jere thank you for your support and for Matthew — Leave Hillary alone — DAMN IT.
No she doens’t.
No she does not.
Matthew Weaver
You’re such a compassionately Feminist Republican Blogtroller.
Wow! You’re so protective of women bashed so unfairly by the misogynist media!
Bravo! Congrats! Kudos! I feel your pain!
Now, go on and write something constructive. Like what did Sarah say about sexism herself!
Right! It doesn’t exist! So be quiet and STOP WHINING, like Sarah says….
Matthew - You, sir, never supported Hillary!!
The point is that if we do not want anyone insulting Sen. Hillary Clinton because she is a woman, then we should also stand against anyone doing same thing to any woman. Injustice against one is injustice against all. So, sexism against one is sexism against all.
Simply put, Sen. Hillary Clinton should come out and strongly condemn such sexism against The good Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska. That is what leaders do.
I disagree. Sarah Palin stands for everything Hillary does not. The only thing they have in common is their ovaries. Isn’t it possible that Hillary would be making a strong feminist statement by speaking out against the ways in which she and Palin differ? After all, Palin is to the right of McCain. Isn’t it more sexist to assume that all of us women are a monolith? I’m sorry, but anyone who takes pictures posing with dead animals is seriously terrifying to me. Sarah Palin is NO Hillary Clinton and I wish people would stop acting like she is.
Thank you Nopers, I agree.
I don’t want to hear ovaries or vagina or anything again. Enough.
Sarah Palin has more than her sex in common with Hillary. They are both strong women in power reviled by a supposedly progressive media.
I’m a vegetarian and a major feminist and there is very little I agree with Sarah Palin about, but the media treatment of her was awful BECAUSE SHE WAS FEMALE, and I need to denounce that.
Plenty of right wing men hold her beliefs, but they are not called beauty queens and that shit.
I’m a feminist first and a democrat about 18th now, because I reject Dean/reid/pelosi/brazille et al.
If you can point to examples of us NQ regulars giving political equivalence to Palin and Clinton, please do so. I think you will find few of us are anything but loyal Clinton supporters, which is why we are here on a saturday morning, instead of mowing the lawn.
I’m sorry but I respectfully AGREE with Matthew. I was 1000% about Hillary and maxed out my contribution ($2300) to her but for her to stand back and not say anything about the media frenzy, which is much worse now with Palin is bad.
It’s about women, not Republican or Democrat and that’s why Hillary should be standing against it!
That is what this site is about. To own our own vote and respectfully disagree with each other otherwise we would be like the Obamabots so stop attacking Matthew for his viewpoint. There are others who have the same viewpoint and they are afraid to voice it because we don’t want to be attacked here like at the DailyKos. So step back folks and let people voice their opinion and stop the hating just because someone looks at something differently than you do.
Don’t you dare say that I’m a Republican troll because I’m not. I became an independent (36 year voting Democratic) in early June.
McCain/Palin ‘08/Hillary 2012
It’s about women, not Republican or Democrat and that’s why Hillary should be standing against it!
Not to get too academic or hair-splitting, but I don’t agree with that statement at all and I AM a woman. To suggest that women can’t have civil disagreement about issues is the same as saying Afr Amers can’t. I think there is too much romanticizing of Sarah Palin on this site, adoration that frankly she is not worthy of. It is becoming less Pro-Hillary and more Pro-Sarah. I’m not trying to start a cat fight, I just don’t get it.
Many of us were voting for McCain in protest, I can only speak for myself but Sarah gives me hope that we can beat Obama. And the truth is I’m really starting to like McCain & Sarah.
You, and the others that think it is permissible to bash a Republican female in ways that you would be clamoring to condemn if it were happening to Hillary, are being shortsighted. Sexism/misogyny is wrong in all its forms. I don’t care if the female that it is being perpetrated against is a Democrat or a Republican. It’s wrong, and Hillary should acknowledge this. Apparently, you all are so enamored with Hillary, that scruples go by the wayside. Please remember that there were Republican women supporting Hillary, too.
I am a Hillary supporter, and I am pissed at the way Hillary was treated during the primaries (and even now for that matter). I will now vote for McCain to keep Obama out of the White House. I will also watch to see how Hillary responds to misogyny from this day forward. If Hillary turns out to be more concerned about her career than about fighting sexism and misogyny, even after experiencing the nasty tactics that were used against her in the primaries, then I will not support her in the future.
There’s no doubt that Hillary was done wrong during the primaries. This is why it is so disappointing to me that Hillary is not forcibly speaking out at this time about misogyny. She should be doing this today, not tomorrow!
Females that coddle Hillary as if she can do no wrong because they want her to run for the presidency again in the future, should encourage her to stand against sexism today. She would be the perfect spokeswoman because of her experiences. She can start her own movement, a movement that has real purpose and meaning. Let it sweep like wildfire across the land. Her stature would surely increase, and she would be doing us all a tremendous good deed.
Four years from now, there is not telling what the political situation will be. There is no certainty that Hillary will even run again. Her career has already been put in jeopardy by the fact that she stood up to Barack Obama. She needs to do what is right for America, not herself.
Another Repug talking point. Frankly, I am getting tired of the Repugs here slamming Hillary.
Sarah Palin did not defend Hillary, she in fact dismissed Hillary’s pointing out of sexism as “whining”.
Hillary does not owe a shit to your repug’s Mooselady.
HILLARY OVER PALIN, ANY DAY, ANY TIME, ALWAYS!!!
Name calling — calling a person a reppug just because hey have a differing opinion — makes me sad.
and after this election is over — you can call me independent — because that’s what my registration will be changed to show.
You are too invested in Hillary to even think clearly.
1) I am not a Republican. I am a life long Democrat since I first voted in 1980 for Jimmy Carter. I have never voted for a single Republican in my life, either local or national. Have you?
2) Defending Hillary in the manner that you do is wrong. You only make yourself look nasty by hurling insults at people who may not agree with you all of the time.
3) You are not very astute at realizing who is a “repub” and who isn’t.
4) As a Democrat, I would like to point out that you behave much like the Obamabots that I have seen on other websites, and it does nothing for you.
5) Disagreeing with Hillary on this point is not “attacking her”.
No sexism and misogyny should be acceptable. It’s pathetic how low brow the media has become.
Let’s not lose sight of the fact that many of us are very dissatisfied with the DNC and all the nonsense they pulled during the primary only to further cement our distrust and indignation by the sham of a roll call vote they held at the convention. Many of us feel it is our mission to exact change within the party to brings it back to the ideals and principles that it used to be based on. We must work to get rid of those who hijacked it and changed it to this sham of a “new” party based on the tactics of Rove and Co. I personally am not getting all exited about everything that McCain/Palin do or say - and yes she has the backing of the Repubs where as Hillary did not even have her party behind her. (Does anyone really know just who started manufacturing the Hillary nutcracker?? I wouldn’t doubt if it was a Republican idea first)I still haven’t decided if I will vote for John McCain and no I absolutely cannot stomach the idea of Obama being President. But I thoroughly understand that IF I vote McCain, I am merely voting AGAINST Obama. I STILL have no love for the Republican Party at all. The only hope I see is that McCain is a little more to the middle than the Bush administration.
To expect Hillary to fight Sarah Palin’s battles is unrealistic. It is up to us and our votes and voice to stop the DNC and we can certainly boycott the press and those who advertise with the worst offenders of this horrendous behaviour. And we must understand that we are voting against Obama and nothing more, unless of course you decide that you agree with the principles of the Republican Party. But to speak out against Hillary is sort of like holding her responsible for all that is said against Palin as well as how they hold her responsible for Obama’s failures.
Sorry, but Hillary would not be “fighting Sarah Palin’s battles”. She would be fighting “for all women”, and enlightened men, too. Some of you seem to believe that Hillary, by sticking her neck out strongly to denounce sexism/misogyny, it would somehow hurt her political chances in the future. It is entirely possible that it would have the opposiste effect. I know that I would appreciate her more, and she would have my unwavering support. It would be a sign of strength, not weakness for her to do this.
JM, I will stand up against sexism against Sarah Palin by sending more emails to the media, but I have no intention of telling Hillary what she should or shouldn’t do. She fought a long, hard battle and if she puts herself in this fight, she will lose the support she still has in the party and all hope of ever getting a universal health care program passed and all influence to change anything else in the party. She also stated publicly (many times) she would support the Dem nominee. She has integrity and she will decide when she has fulfilled her promise.
Nopers - YOU don’t get it! NO woman, that means NO woman (dem, repub, independent, poor, rich, smart, dumb, intelligent, mentally challenged) should not take ANY abuse SIMPLY because SHE IS A WOMAN! Issues are ONE thing but to attack someone MERELY for being a CERTAIN SEX is WRONG!
Please ask Palin to defend Hillary. I’m waiting…
Palin doesn’t NEED to defend Hillary; Palin KNOWS what Hillary went through (the WHOLE WORLD knows what Hillary went through; even the scum who did it to her, but won’t own up to it - yet, THEY KNOW).
Hillary is NO LONGER in the race; why should Palin defend her?? Palin has complimented/thanked Hillary in the past (PUBLICALLY) for ‘creating 18 millions cracks’. Do you hate Republicans THAT much that you won’t even acknowledge when another HUMAN BEING says a kind word about them? McCain ALSO noted how vile the media treated Hillary - at least be FAIR, dem/rep/indy - they’re STILL HUMANS!
Hillary DOES NOT NEED TO defend Palin, either! If asked about it by the no-good media, all she needs to say is that she acknowledges what Sarah is going through and leave it at that!
Someone mentioned earlier that Palin has her OWN party to support and protect her; it’s a SHAME that Hillary’s mistreatment CAME FROM HER OWN PARTY!! How in the world Hillary cannot be mad/sad about this (of course, she can’t publically) - I don’t know how she does it! And now, the commander-in-jerk ASSUMES she will get all of her supporters to back him!
The term CATFIGHT is sexist.Remember Barky with “the claws come out”?
Sure attack Palin - on the issues - but no one is doing that. They are demanding DNA to “prove” her damned baby is hers!
That’s SEXIST, not to mention sick.
Yo, I maxed out too and I don’t want her to say a thing. Didn’t you see Palin say that she thought that Hillary was whining about sexism? Nope, she needs to stay dignified and let the Repugs do their own defending. I thought we were Hillary supporters here?
Unfortunately, No Quarter is starting to have a bad repug infestation.
Looks like it’s also getting a bad “Obamabot-for-Hillary (now that she’s out of the way of the Anointed One)” infestation.
Dude, seriously. I do not recall seeing you on this site until the past week or so. Where were you a couple of months ago when Hillary was in need of support against the Obamazoids?
I don’t even recognize the regulars. They have gone from bashing Obama to belittling Palin in the name of Hillary. RISE HILLARY RISE went out in June.
EXACTLY!!! HOPE, I recognize you and I know you recognize me. Who the Hell are these “Palin doesn’t hold a candle to Hillary” types”?
OF COURSE SHE DOESN’t…BUT SHE’S GETTING BARKY ALL TWISTED…GOD BLESS HER.
Bashing Sarah Palin doesn’t help me or Hillary.
There are two things I want to see this November: Obama defeated and a victory for women. If we have a woman VP, that gives credibility to our significance as a voting block. We are taken more seriously and given more respect. It helps Hillary should she choose to run again, and it still advances the feminist cause, if it doesn’t.
I don’t see anyone belittleing Palin. I have said I like her. She is intellegent, witty and charming and my vote for McCain will include a vote for her. What I have a problem with is anyone suggesting Hillary has a responsibility to help repubs defend their candidate. What will she accomplish that they can’t do? She was fighting the good fight before Palin was born. And the repub women who are so thrilled with Palin were using worse lies and attacks against Hillary. They can defend Gov. Palin and win the election if they work hard for her. Why don’t you focus, instead, on Oparah Winfrey who has refused to interview Palin? Boycott her program and don’t buy books from her book club.
Thank you! I thought that it was just me!
The Obamabrats didn’t give a damn about Hillary’s abuse during the primaries (as THEY were the cause of it!) And they sure as hell don’t care now.
Republicans are not trying to cause division between Hillary and her supporters now. They already know that more than enough of us are voting for McCain/Palin on Election Day since Hillary’s out of the picture this year. Enough to give McCain the Presidency. And Republicans don’t want to risk losing Hillary votes by critizing her “silence” on the sexism in the MSM and the Democrat party. Had Hillary been the Democrat nominee or VP nominee, then they would have been trying to cause division.
Seems to me that there is a sudden influx of “new & improved” Obamabrats here that are trying to put heat on Hillary to attack Palin by putting fire under true Hillary supporters. Trying to get Hillary supporters riled up about Hillary not denouncing the horrible sexist attacks on Palin.
I may sound a bit paranoid, but I believe that the Obamabrats were unsuccessful at trying to “sic” Hillary on Sarah Palin. Hillary refused to stoop to that level. So, they’re going to try to FORCE Hillary to attack Palin through US - her supporters.
I have been posting here for a few months, probably since April. I was always a Clinton supporter. I support McCain now, and I admire him for picking Sarah Palin. This is consistent among a lot of former Hillary supporters, and Harriet Christian explained it well on Neil Cavuto’s show.
If Hillary campaigns for Obama, she needs to address sexism, because it is coming from his surrogates. She will be seen as one of them and then she will lose support from a lot of women and men who take the issue of sexism seriously.
She does not need to defend Sarah Palin, but if she is associated with the Obama campaign when disgusting media behavior like last week is going on, then she needs to say something about sexism itself or look like a hypocrite.
Google my pen name, idiot.
You should watch that video again -
Your words “Didn’t you see Palin say that she thought that Hillary was whining…”
That is not what she said - who do you think released that video and why do you think you don’t get the part of the question she was responding to
What I heard her to say was about things being out there that could be “percieved as whining”.
YOU ARE CORRECT. Palin did not call hillary a whiner
Exactly, yo. That is what this site is about and I have the right to disagree with you and Matthew. This is a REPUBLICAN WOMAN. Maybe you don’t remember what they said about Hillary, but I do. No Republican has ever stood in Hillary’s defense. Gov. Palin can fight her own battles and on her own terms. Leave Hillary alone!
Republican women have been the worst offenders and they love Sarah. Let them do for her what many of us have tried to do for Hillary for years and maybe next time they will think about it before they repeat lies about Hillary. She won’t attack Gov. Palin in a sexist way and she will fight McCain on issues. She will not trash Sen. McCain’s character or demean anyone. She never has.
So you’re into blanket indictments of entire classes of people , no matter the relevence to the individual concerned?
Why would someone from Alaska embroiled in battle after battle fighting corruption in all sectors of her State’s governement defend Hillary? And when are you expecting this defense? In the 1990s when she was in the PTA? How do you that she didn’t? Do you think CNN has a reporter in Alaska waiting for the locals to make statment about Hillary Clinton?
I’m not saying Hillary should do this or that.. all I’m saying is, it’s pretty baseless to lay the sins of other people at the feet of someone who had nothing to do with them.
Hillary has spoken out! During the primary she
called attention to the sexism in the media.
We all know that for doing so she took many HITS
for it. From both men and women. But, by her
courage and brava performance throughtout the
discussion is on the table! She won the respect
of even her “political enemies”. Surprisingly,
it was Democrats, both women and men, who left
Hillary to twist in “winds of misogyny”. True,
her campaign made some mistakes but, like the
“winner” that she is, she dug down deep within
and made the necessary adjustments.
Gov. Palin even thought Hillary’s remarks to be
…”perceived as whinning”. Well, now because of
Sen.Hillary Rodham Clinton she gets to campaign
and have just about every Republican “on camera”
address the issue on her behalf! Even sometimes
when it does NOT apply. She should be answering
questions on issues and policy matters for
the nation on major media outlets, that my view.
Hillary has paved the way for Gov. Palin. Taken
the “body shots” and will not attack her per-
sonally when out campaigning.
I contacted my members of congress about the
sexist attacks on Gov. Palin. Had done so during
the primary about Hillary.
I think that everyone should do the same!
Write to them and let them know what you think
post-convention!
Some folks have been writing that they’re
“waiting to see IF Hillary attacks Palin” while
campaigning, that then their level of respect
for her will lessen. YO! What’s Up? That’s not
Hillary! Did you hear “the Barracuda” during
her speech? No personal attacks are coming
from Hillary but, the Gov. she walks the line.
To ask Hillary to defend Palin against Obama is the same madness as asking Hillary to defend Obama from Palin’s attacks.
Palin will do just fine without Hillary’s help. Palin has the protection and support of her own party. Hillary was not so fortunate.
HILLARY ‘12!
I agree! And it’s not as though Sarah Palin defended Hillary during the height of the madness. Why does she deserve Hillary’s support now? I think those who say Obama will win if Hillary voters stay home are being a bit alarmist. This coutry is still very right of center and there is NO way one of the most liberal members of the Senate will be elected POTUS. No way.
Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal’s 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.
Yes BO would love you to stay home if your not voting for him.
PS: Biden is listed as the 3rd most liberal.
And then he proved just how “liberal” he is when he backed the Bush administration’s telecom immunity FISA bill.
I don’t give a rat’s ass how “liberal” Obama was LAST YEAR especially as that rating is really a bit skewed. If Obama didn’t cast a vote, then he couldn’t be rated on it (and he missed a boatload of Senate votes, especially in the last quarter of 2007).
Of the 195 voting instances available in the Senate from Jan - July 31, 2008, Obama was a NO VOTE 64% of the time. Of the 11 bills passed, Obama was a NO Vote for 11 of them; He voted Yea on 2 of them: One was on flood Insurance, the other was in favor of the FISA bill.
Obama needs to return his salary, because he sure as heck didn’t earn it.
correction: NO VOTE for 9 of the bills.
That’s right! And I agree with the person that said, “let Hillary rest now - she fought for us and now it’s time for us to fight for her, with our vote.”
The GOP always defends their own - too bad the Dems wouldn’t know the definition of loyalty if it was rammed up their butts.
McCain/Palin ‘08
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Nice to see you again, dee4hill. Too bad I’ve now been banned from Taylor Marsh. Do you still get to comment over there?
Gov Palin is quite capable of defending herself , as Hillary is. This isn’t about supporting or endorsing the opposition. It’s about being a leader and speaking out against sexism/misogny. When is the right time? Who is the right person?
You seem to want Hillary to commit political suicide. Next, I bet you will suggest Hillary should join the Repug party.
It is not her role. Palin has all the help she needs. It is not for Clinton to do this. She is a Dem and she will do what she can for the party and for her future in it.
Not if they don’t want to commit policital suicide.
ARe you actually a Hillary Supporter?
No wonder she ultimately had the nomination stolen from under her…some of her stategists were as niave as some of you (even though i love you all) sound right now calling for her to stand up.
What?
You want to watch the Democrats and all the AA voters calling for her to be burned at the stake for going against the messiah?
Just be patient. Hillary CLEARLY is MUCH smarter than you or I.
Hillary is MUCH smarter than us. Hillary won’t defend Sarah Plain, but neither will she join in the personal attacks on her. In fact- I will bet a $100 bucks she will only stump against the portions of the Republican Platform she personally believes are the wrong direction for this country. She will speak for her principals and her vision for the country. Nothing more. Nothing less.
If I’m not mistaken, when given an opportunity to defend Clinton against the misogyny hurled at her during the primaries, Palin’s comment was something to the effect that women who whined about sexism hurt the cause of all women. That’s a paraphrase of her comment, but very close to what she said, as I recall.
Hillary has called for an end to sexism, racism, and every other “ism” on the planet. Her stand has been made clear. I fail to see what responding to the sexism against Palin would accomplish. The Dems who are smearing Palin are the very ones who refused to call for an end to the misogyny against Clinton. As for the ignorant media clowns who are acting like stone age, sexist, nutjobs, they would only find a way to twist Hillary’s words and totally use it against her, if she spoke out. Plus, they’re sure as hell not going to listen to her. They were the right hand of the DNC and Obama campaign as these low-lifes tried to destroy her.
I think Hillary’s done more than enough.
SOLID post solidsista.
(yeah, I know, that was kinda lame, lol)
The video you watched was her answer to a question a reporter asked her. THe clever people who edited the video interestingly left out the bulk of the question.
I suspect the reporter brought up the “whining” and asked her to comment on it. That sounds like a question a dippy reporter would make.
It wouldn’t surprise me that they edited the video that way so that the impression is out there that Palin thinks Hillary whines.
We just witnessed one of the most massive disinformation campaigns last week… we should skepitical of all media that we watch and be alert for manipulation.
When Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin arrived backstage for our NEWSWEEK Women & Leadership Event in Los Angeles last March, John McCain had just wrapped up the GOP nomination. Palin had yet to endorse McCain—she liked Mitt Romney—and as we waited in the green room, I urged her to “feel free” to make some news on stage. She grinned broadly—looking back, I guess it was a grin of the Cheshire Cat variety—and thanked me for the offer.
Once onstage, together with Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, Palin talked about what women expect from women leaders; how she took charge in Alaska during a political scandal that threatened to unseat the state’s entire Republican power structure, and her feelings about Sen. Hillary Clinton. (She said she felt kind of bad she couldn’t support a woman, but she didn’t like Clinton’s whining.)
Amen solidsista!
Hillary did her part as a brave leader - when she fought against the odds all the way through the primaries. She’s only one woman. She can only do so much. Like ALL human beings. And she’s done ALOT of good this year.
LAY OFF OF HILLARY. Enough is enough.
That is what leaders do.
Ugo, another thing leaders do is pick the correct issues and the correct time to fight. Right now is not the time on this issue.
NOT!
Ugo,
You’re a good republican or obamatroll!
Why don’t you listen to Sarah. She said (ssee video) that Hillary should not “whine” about sexism. It is something you should “put up with and do your business”!
Sweetie, Listen to Sarah and shut up!
actually she said something more like “not being perceived” as whining
Hillary has to play the part of the loyal soldier and be seen as doing her part to help elect a Democrat. Otherwise, she’ll never get another shot at the presidency. But rest assured that she won’t do any more than she absolutely has to.
Yes.
hillary’s words regarding the palin announcement were gracious and showed her respect for the governor. she attacked the issues, not the person..that is all one could or should ask of her.
Right.
I also heard this from Hillary so the writer is a little misinformed.
I watch McCain speach, and even I am a stunch Hillary supporter and evenI am so angry at Obama and His people, I must use my common sense. I, as most of You, woman or man, can not support McCain even He choose for VP a great woman Sarah Palin and I wish She is at list Independent. I can not support McCain who will destroy OUR Social Security, witch is OUR MONEY not HIS, asking young generation to invest their SS .It is just no way I can support this radical right ideas. Investing young people money is like stealing , because all depends how WallStreet runs bussiness. And who will cash on those Young People SS, as we know, all those who allready are so stinky reach.When Market goes up, then WE get a few dollars, but when dip down as is doing right now, then WE all lose all,and Social Security will be destroy, and then Wall Street will tell US-SORRY,YOU ARE ON yOU OWN. HOW CAN YOU TRUST AN SUCH UGLY PROPOSITION. Rising retirement age, for me is the same as less jobs, lass chance for younG to get jobs, BECAUSE we, WHO SHOULD ENJOY OUR LAST PART OF OUR LIFES, WILL BE STAYING ON JOBS,OUR SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE DESTROY .As an older woman, I can see what will be left for young, NOTHING!!! We olders, be working untill we die, and wont never see OUR retirement money. Can YOU see what will come if McCain go to the WHITE HOUSE??? I can see that anger in McCain , and He will put US with no EYE blink to another WAR and OCCUOPATION. Even McCain as American Hero He has grown as tipical selfish man.Why we are so occupied with MCain , there are so many man from pass , who did just as McCain, and no ONE is saying about. Fergoten HEROS(VIETNAM,KOREA,now IRAQ), maybe because they have no chance to be reach or Admirals in their family. What about them.??? His children dont have to worry, and we dont owe McCain nothing. New generation is dying for OIL, and He wants to keep them dying, just to win not the war, but keep occuping reach OIL in country. Threating Russia is baloney, because is again about OIL this time in Black Sea.
I claim , that I willnevr vote for Obama, but He is much less dengerous, and I must give Him a chance to prove that He is the ONE!!!
WE must put away OUR anger at Obama, and truly start thinking about what would happend with OUR SS,jobs,Helath Care, with McCan will not improve, but destroy. I can see this now so clearly, He truly is #3 bush even if He claims to be Maverick, but not for US, but for Republican. When people are angry, that is when they make the MOST MISTAKES, AND WRONG DECISIONS.
WE,PUMAS MUST DEFEND HILLARY AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, BUT IT IS TIME TO ;INSTED BE HATEFUL AND ANGRY, MUST TAKE DEEP BREATH AND THINK ABOUT US TODAY, AND ALL THOSE MOTHERS MUST THINK, HOW MCCAIN IDEAS WILL DESTROY MIDDLE CLASS, AND ALL ABOVE. STOP BEYING MAD, THINK LOGICALY.!!!
MY ENGLISH IS NOT AS GOOD AS YOURS, BUT I KNOW I AM RIGHT. IT IS NOT ABOUT OBAMA, BUT ABOUT US,OUR CHILDREN, OUR POSSIBLY BETTER LIFE.
!!!
Sarah is great, but She is to much right and Her children dont have to worry about their future!!!
It hurts, what Obamas people did to Hillary and Bill, but it will hurt Us more if we choose McCain .Billions for Iraq occupation, unstable relationhip with a such important country as Russia is. McCain as military man has no feer to send our boys and girls to die for some reason. He hasmilitary mentality, and that scares me more then anything. I dont care id any of candidates have any military experience, I care for good life, peace .We have to many problem on our soil, incl. illegel emigrants, who are stealling OUR jobs, and destroing OUR Healt Care, and no metter how we look at this, I know I am right!!!
wow, an ambitious Obama bot…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
ooops i was deceived
I’m 33. I resent this scam foisted on me called “social security” You know what Social security is? It’s More Money For Congress Security. If you are currently receiving Social Security checks that money isn’t yours, it’s mine.
Congress spent your money decades ago. Just like in 30 years from now the money i would get wouldn’t be mine, it would be the taxes of the people of that time.
The Federal Govt is the most fiscially irresponsible entity in this country. The Federal Gov is 50 Trillian in debt.
And now they’re bailing out Fannie Mae some more.. There will be no Social Security in the future. The govt is broke now. I dont know how much longer the charade can last but all we need is one flashpoint with the Arabs or Russia or China and the whole house of cards will come crashing down.
Those in Congress who kept telling people that reform was not neccesarry and that Bush was lying about it are disgrace.
I dont want Congress taking my money for me. I’ll invest it myself, thank you very much. Who the hell do they think they are that they thinkn they know better.
Obviously they know NOTHING. Nothing they do goes well.
nobamaever09 — you’re on the wrong website. You may want to try DK or HP.
Got a newsflash for you:
Obama’s NOT going to solve ANY of those serious problems. He doesn’t have the experience, political savvy, NOR the desire to solve any of these problems.
And if you think he does, you’re straight fooling yourself.
It’s time for you Obamabrats to move on from Hillary supporters. Truly.
isn’t this why we have a Democratic majority in congress (the ones without spines unfortunately)
THEY pass laws. NOT the President. The President leads…doesn’t mean they have to follow them over the cliff like the republicans did with GWB and WHICH THEY WOULD DO if Obama the inept is elected
I agree 100%!!!! this is not Hillary’s Job at any point. Barack wanted the job, let him EARN it.
What?
Matthew Weaver
You are now accusing HIllary of lacking character and leadership!
Gee, thanks, your newly minted republican creds have made you a wise hypocrite!
Cut the crap, Matthew. As member of the privileged Master Sex, you can’t come here and boss us around.
Palin thinks there’s no sexism. PALIN INSULTED HILLARY TELLING HER SHE’S A ‘WHINER’
AND SO ARE YOU!
pumas will bite your hypocritical, mud-rising ear off! you sure you’re not Obamatroll?
If she were to say anything remotely defending Palin she will be eviscerated. This is OBAMA’S fight? Why the f*ck does Clinton always have to rescue that piece of sh1t????
Make no mistake. I am 1000% against sexist and mysoginistic treatment, but Clinton is hardly the person to make any kind of stmt because of how it will be perceived by the Obamanators.
Exactly if Hillary opens her mouth Obama will go about destroying her once and for all and she will be blamed for his loss.
If you truly are a hillary supporter you want her to stay as far away from this shit as possible.
We know how she feels we do not need to drag her out to get bloodied again by the cult of idiocy and hate that is Obamania.
I even noticed Geraldine Ferraro has been neutered. Hillary was horribly attacked but she can’t say it because she will be called a whiner. A strong women has to be able to take it. I don’t believe you will ever hear Sarah complain. It’s our job to defend them.
Exactly!
Wow, VERY disrespectful of Hillary and her plight. I guess you’ve swallowed the Sarah koolaid, triple strength!
Thank you.
Hillary ‘12!
^Troll?
Is this the New Axelfraud Talking point?
Rile up the woman who support hillary against the woman who support palin now?
Its brilliant and shitty at the same time.
I will be making T-Shirts for anyone who needs one:
So place your orders.
I want one of those shirts, and a baseball cap, too!
My thoughts exactly. Hillary is being used on this site as a whipping toy. We are taking the Repubs bait. They are already thinking about Clinton v. Palin in 2012.
I hope Larry Johnson comes out and makes a statement-NO MORE HILLARY BASHING ON THIS SITE!
I want to place an order for my shirt now, please.
I’ll take both a shirt and a cap, and how ’bout a purse and a button?
give me the website *g*
who are you talking to Nopers?
tampagurl - I lost all respect for Ferraro; she now supports Obama ‘because he chose Biden - a good foreign policy expert - and that what she was REALLY worried about’ (she said). Yeah, forget all the sexist remarks directed DIRECTLY AT HER- the wimp! So, now Ferraro is going to reward Obama and his camp and try to elect him president. What’s SHE got to lose by denoucing Obama (she could state she wasn’t voting for Mccain either)? Is she still THAT interested in politics that she’s willing to make herself look like a fool - a USED fool? She makes ALL women look like the ‘just lie down and take it’ type of weaklings! I no longer like her!
Sarah doesn’t have to because the Republican’s are defending her unlike the Democratic Party not only didn’t do for Hillary but viciously engaged in against her.
Gerry Ferraro hasn’t been neutered. She and Susan Estrich have spoken out.
Matthew Weaver is either a REpublican or Obamatroll!
How can HIllary compalin about sarah without being perceived as a WHINER??
Even Palin herself I saw here at No Quarter video said that “HIllary shouldn’t whine becuse sexism is everywhere and she should just go on and do what she does”
If Sarah doesn’t believe in Whining, dear Ole Colmfie Boy Mattehw, why should HRC take the fight!
She’s got good ole boys liek Mattehw to take up the fight!
I’m surprised to see that some people are so devoted to a PARTY that they will defend the politician’s actions regardless of what they do. If I was Hillary, I would leave a party that treated me in such a manner & could never support a man who is friends with terrorist & thugs. I’ve been told all my life I march to the beat of my own drum too so it’s amazing for me to see such followers. I’ve walked away from lots of financial situations in my life because I didn’t believe in something & no PARTY or person could ever own me. Do some of you actually think Hillary is still worrying about you every night instead of thinking about herself? If so, wake up you’re just another vote that’s needed for them to win an election. Own yourself instead of letting someone else own you.
With all due respect, you probably wouldn’t last long as a politician!
Well, let’s ask McCain then why in 2000, he didn’t walk away from the Republican party after Bush smeared him?
There is no way any independent candidate can win in the presidential elections.
Exactly.
VERY good point Lochos.
No one attacked McCain for sticking with the GOP after Bush smeared him.
The Dem party is infected, and it will take Hillary & Bill to clean it.
A lot of people attacked McCain for this.
You are not Hillary! Hillary has had to work too hard to wear glass slippers. Sarah Palin and the Republicans can fight for themselves. If you really ever supported Hillary, you wouldn’t be asking more of her than she has already given.
Cinderella you obviously have no clue about Hillary, she has worked her entire life for the American people.
Cinderella,
take your glass slippers and stick in B.Hussein’s ears! nice try Troll…nice boys like you should get extra allowance from mam and pop sweetie!
The Clintons have great political instincts and great advisors. When it is the right time, it will be done. We have to trust that they know what is best to do in this situation. I know I do.
It is not anymore about Hillary, but it is about US!!!And if we choose McCain and Palin, we will lose much more. I am in those 30% who say , I will never vote for Obama, but after McCain answer obut Health Care,Social Security,Nafta,, I can not even think about supporting HIM. At 72 , McCan as Military man all His life, He will not be affraid to push the button and take US to another war, and will call” in name of USA, freedom,peace”. Asking OUR next generation to die , but for what??? I am more and more convince , that we can win much more, by talking not by attacking another nation, who just happend have OIL or different ideas.!!! NATO should be more agressive in taking care of international problems, because for now NATO is doing nothing!!!I dont buy this anymore… can not support this man. Sarah is great, but it will not make me support HER, because She is a woman. She is on wrong side.Economy will be great if Government keep their hands off OUR Social Security, OUR boys and girls will come home for good, instead investing money in wars(12billions a month for Iraq) and stelling from US for reach to be reacher.
We woild not have to worry about jobs if OUR next President invest in US not in OIL. Iraq is on 80 billions surplus, and we worry about about Health Care, retirement,not ferget to mention gas prices, etc,etc,etc!!!
I will love to hear Hillary get tough on McCain, and so far She does nothing. COME ON HILLARY, DEFEND US FROM DISASTER, STOP BEYING SO NICE TO DOSE WHO WILL DEMAGE MIDDLE CLAss BEHIND RECOGNITION.WE ARE FIGhTING FOR YOU IT IS TIME TO TO STOP BEING SO MUCH FRIEND TO McCAIN AND CONTINUE FIGHTING FOR US!!!
it sounds like Obama has finally realized the game is over…
and now he has sent you bots out to try and drag hillary down with him…
it ain’t gonna work…
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
I’m Republican and I don’t think it’s up to Hillary to defend Gov. Palin.
Palin has the conservative media and the RNC to defend her, not to mention John McCain.
Hillary never had her own media outlets, that’s why there wasn’t a strong voice speaking out on her behalf when the DNC left her to her own devices.
And I agree with you about Obot wolves appearing here in sheep’s clothing.
Perhaps you didn’t catch the recent report about President Obama challenging Pakistan to take care of Alquida (sp) or we’d do it for them?
You might want to read this article, well researched and factual, about the real Obama’s record. The link was posted here a couple of days ago:
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
Do you still believe Obama is the correct choice meet your needs?
Sometimes grownups need to act like grownups. Sitting by silently while Obama, his cult, the nutroots gang, and the media destroy the Democratic Party with their hate is not a sign of strength. Sometimes you have to do things that have costs associated with them. McCain did this in Viet Nam. While it is not comparable, I think this is Clinton’s moment. Is she a follower or a leader?
Again respectfully, NO!
The DNC has a gun to the CLintons head right now.
One of two things will happen if you have her do this.
Obama will win and they will effectivly pull the trigger ending the CLinton political careers for ever by marginalizing her and ensuring she never gets a chance to run again.
Obama will lose and blame Hillary for it and the DNC will not be taken out from under them because they will direct the anger from themselves to the clintons.
Is that what you want?
If you want to play politics you need to be ready to know when to hold and when to attack. This is NOT the time for Hillary to enter this fight.
Agbsolutly NOT!
Mr. Weaver,
I appreciate your concern, but I don’t think you quite comprehend how real politics works.
Jeremiah’s arguments down this thread with you have been absolutely correct, IMHO.
Just sayin’.
Sarah Palin is a big girl, and can well defend herself.
somewhere down the line when you need defending it is okay for people to say - she is a big girl and can well defend herself.
I hope that does not happen to you,
It happened to Hillary. No Repugs defended here, nor did so-called “Democrats”.
Are you seriously asking Hillary to defend Palin? Palin was defended by the likes of Giulani, Newt Gingrinch and Mitt Romney. These people hate Hillary Clinton.
And who defended Hillary? No one, just us loyal Hillary supporters.
So yes, Palin does not need defending because she has Repug Hillary-haters defending her.
Lochos Vestu - if you remember, John McCain himself defended Hillary while the media and the Obama camp was vilifying her. He also praised her. Have you all forgotten that? Just trying to be fair…
Let Hillary bide her time and get through this nightmare of a GE. Once Barky loses, Dean will be voted out and Hillary will have her second shot. Maybe the DNC will wise up and give the chairmanship back to Terry.
And Barky will also be a “thing” of the past. Dems are very unforgiving of their LOSERS, just ask John Kerry.
McCain/Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12!!!
Ugh, I wish I could disagree…but I’m thinking of when McCain came out and stuck up for John Kerry in 2004. Of course Kerry is too much of a weasel to do the same for McCain.
On the other hand, I still maintain that Hillary isn’t going to campaign for Obama at all. I think she and Bill may have polling data showing that Obama’s presence on the ticket could lose the Senate this year. She’s going to campaign for congress and senate folks and toss an occasional bone to Obama to try to limit his damage to the party.
A lot of GOP folks still won’t vote for McCain and mention his standing up for Kerry against the smears as a reason.
Think of what John McCain had to do for the last 8 years. Do you remember that picture of him hugging Bush? You are not thinking like a politician. You don’t know what is going on behind the scenes, but things don’t get done with open declarations of war.
I’m glad Jeremiah can still be respectful and I’m going to try and follow suit. Respectively speaking, Hillary is more “grown up” than you Matthew.
Will you be happy if she lies down on a cross and allows the nails to be hammered into her hands? Maybe she should lay her head on the block and let the executioner chop it off for Gov. Palin?
I am amazed. It is the second week in Sept and two weeks after the Democratic Party nominated Obama and Hillary is still the topic of most of the comments on noquater. Let’s see. She has been trashed by Republicans for two decades, the media and Obama for more than a year. Now it is the so-called Hillary supporters who are trashing her and telling her what to do and what to say.
Gov. Palin is not a woman I would support for any office under other circumstances although I plan to vote for McCain in order to defeat the DNC and Obama. I’m beginning to smell a different flavored koolaid. Someone I never heard of until a little over a week ago and who, as far as I can tell, is a polar opposite to Hillary and you think Hillary should do what for her? Nothing much. Just sacrifice her future and her dreams and her plans and her chance to run for president again.
Hillary showed her strength by staying in the primary race until the end and by winning the last 7 out of 10 primaries.
If Hillary comes out for Palin, the Repubs will use it against her in 2012.
The plan is to get Hillary into office in 2012. I’ll repeat-The repubs are already thinking Clinton v. Palin in 2012.
I want Hillary to win in 2012. Palin, apparently can defend herself and doesn’t need Hillary do it for her.
Stop bashing Hillary.
Give me a break, Matthew. This is Clinton’s moment all right: to do what she needs to do so she can run in 2012. It’s up to US to say no to misogyny and sexism in the voting booth.
The Party is already destroyed. The Obama crowd has to be defeated with a huge defeat. That is where all of our time and enegy must be focused. Then we can go about rebuilding the Party or creating a new one. Hillary cannot get involved in this fight.
McCain is not the ONLY ONE HERO from all pass wars, now He is a POLITICIAN with military mine!!!
He scares me…
After I listen His last speach, He scares me even more…
Mathew Weaver—you need to STFU!
Oh, don’t you hear Kos and Ariana calling?
I agree wholeheartedly. Hillary should not have to rescue Obama. Besides Sarah Palin is fortunate enough to have her PARTY defending her!
No kidding. This is Sarah’s fight and no offense Matthew, but I’m a woman and I would not want Hillary to speak up for me. I can take care of myself. I know how to fight. Frankly, Hillary just remaining silent is message enough. Sarah knew what she was getting into. Politics is a blood sport. It would look bad for both women.
Well said!
Hillary ‘12!
Hillary must continue Her fight for US, no metter how great friend She is with McCain. It is about US. Bussiness is bussiess, Friendship is Friendship. She must separate those two things.I still believe, that She will start soon, because if She wont , many of US will not vote for Her in 2012. Fighting in Congress or Senat is not enough enymore. Now is the time for Hillary to proof that She will continue defending those who support HER!!!
nobamaever09—you Ozombies are out in full force today! It’s Friday, I understand, and you have the whole weekend to prepare for class on Monday.
I agree. People act like Hillary is some sort of superwoman that has to save everyone.
She’s extremely busy cleaning up Barack’s mess.
Now she has to convince the African-American community that she doesn’t hate Black people, and no, she doesn’t want Obama dead. (There isn’t a strong enough word I can use to explain to people that many, many believe this about her)
Hillary has to convince working-class people that Democratic policies will still help them, and show them that they still matter, after Obama and his thugs threw the Dem working class base to the curb.
She had to defend herself against sexist attacks by the media, fight against Obama’s campaign, fight against high ranking members in her own party.
Now people want her to fight for Palin?
Palin has PLENTY of people fighting for her.
She has John McCain, she has Rudy Giuliani, she has a LOT of women in the GOP fighting for her, heck, she even has Newt fighting for her.
Hillary doesn’t need to come out fighting for Palin. She released her statement saying the sexist attacks were wrong, and that’s all she needs to say about that.
I strongly disagree with you Matthew Weaver.
Thank you so much, Thinker. That was eloquent.
Sarah Palin doesn’t need Hillary to stick up for her. She has plenty of people defending her, including some of Hillary’s own supporters. Besides, it’s not as if the media or the Obama campaign will stop their misogynist attacks on Palin just because Hillary says they should.
I, for one, think that Hillary has earned the right to sit this one out.
I can live with Hillary attacking McCain all she wants.
I was fearful that she might go after Sarah. Hillary has spent so mush energy in this campaign, but now I don’t think any minds will be changed.
As my Republican brother said to me today he really came to respect Hillary
These New Democrats need to be flushed before Hillary can run again in 2012.
The smartest and most loyal thing that Sen. Clinton can do for both her supports as well as her country is to keep her mouth shut and sit this out. It must be extremely difficult for her to do so, but by doing just exactly that, she de facto supports McCain in 08 and sets herself (and the country) up for Clinton in 2012. All this tells me is that she has the wisdom and discipline to be our President in four years. Bravo!
Smartest thing said on this thread so far!!!
It must be repeated - Leave Hillary Out of this.
There is wisdom in this too. But I’d just like to suggest one more time that she might be totally drained and exhausted and we don’t really know what’s going on with her, that she’s alright, or anything.
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Hopefully she is politician-turned Super sleuth so that we can get to the bottom of the just released info about Saudi billionaire paying for Obama law degree at Harvard - not some hokey student loan, and the Berg lawsuit procedding - BHO and DNC served papers yesterday about disqualifications based on citizenship.
Hmmm. Usually the Saudis only offer Islamic charity to people that they believe to be fellow Muslims. Could someone have mis-portrayed the young Obama as a Muslim? Did Obama cooperate? Perhaps an example of his first major bamboozle. Way to go, Barry!
Would this fit the time period that he changed his name?
What an ass-hat post. If you want to see Cinton doing Barry’s dirty work, your master should have made her his VP. She’s got class and substance. Something Barry doesn’t, neither do his minions.
Obama is absolutely amazing! He had no use for Hillary Clinton nor President Clinton, now he plans to use Hillary and other women/some female Governors in the Democratic Party to come down on the Sarah Palin. Obama and the Democratic Party act as though there are no female leaders in the Republican party ready to defend Sarah Palin. The Barracuda/Sarah Palin seems to be able to handle herself though.
If Clinton sits this out entirely, maybe she retains her credibility. But, should she campaign for Obama, attack McCain, and ignore the sexist attacks and hate of the Obama campaign and supporters do you really think anyone will ever allow that she didn’t condone it? I don’t think that she can separate the two–for example, the Republicans will be sure to add this to her baggage.
First of all, Palin called Clinton a whiner for speaking out against sexism. Second, Clinton is not running and has put Camp O on notice that she’s more concerned with supporting Senate races and retiring her debt. This is not her fight. Then there’s the “sisterhood vs. party” issue. All in all, the less said on Obie’s behalf or Palin’s defense by HRC, the better. Sometimes leadership is knowing when not to engage.
She did not call Hillary a whiner. She said Hillary was attacked unfairly but “any perceived whine, whether fair or unfair does not bode well”
I like Palin ok, but that’s really not a huge statement against sexism hurled at Hillary. It was almost a non-statement, actually.
It’s also was probably the politically safe thing for Palin to do. Hillary needs to respond similarly.
Which is why Hillary never whined. Q.E.D.
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I did not like the haughty approach Palin took towards Hillary’s raising of sexism.
Nope, her remarks were not helpful to Hillary.
Amen. Quit repeating the lie that Palin called Hillary a “whiner” - that’s a lie Obama trolls keep repeating.
I am not a troll and “perceived whine” is still an insult. It’s a stretch to say that someone’s complaints are being perceived as whining but you’re not calling them a whiner. She was placing the onus for the perception on Clinton.
That seems to be consistent these days. Maybe some people think Obama will get rid of Biden and ask Hillary to be his VP after all. I can’t think why else Hillary would be relevant now.
educatedwhitewoman go to River Daughter and watch the video for yourself.
Thank you Tampagurl. The “perceived” is important. Who can deny that whatever Hillary says is perceived by some men (and harpies like Maureen Dowd) as a whine? Sarah Palin did NOT call Hillary a whiner!
When I first read your post, I agreed with you Matthew. Then, upon reading everyone’s comments (well, skipping over the ones that were less than respectful of your honest post) I changed my perspective a bit.
Sarah Palin did say during the now infamous “perceived whining” interview that, while sexism and misogyny was out there, her opinion was that it was best to ignore it and plow right through. So, I don’t think she would be appreciative of Hillary defending her. I think Sarah, and her party, can do the defending, and ultimately the media, Obama, and the Dems will look like the fools they are.
If, however, Hillary continues to campaign for Obama and voice her support of him, then she is in effect defending the very behavior that she said she was fighting against, and that I can’t condone.
So, I agree with you that if she sits it out entirely, she can retain her credibility (and my respect and support). If she continues to stand behind Obama, she’ll lose me.
Either way, I’ll be voting for McCain/Palin in November. No way do I want Obama anywhere NEAR the White House!
If Obama is somehow elected, he’ll be a disaster. And Dean, Pelosi and Reid will be in charge; they’ll be disasters, too. The only question is how long will it take for the Democratic party to implode. When it does, Clinton will have to be in position to take advantage with clean hands. The Obama propaganda team would love nothing more than to label Clinton a Republican sympathizer and marginalize her even further. Let her play her hand, not the one you wish she had.
If Obama gets in then so does the Chicago machine. And if they can swing the 2016 Olympics (shudder) then its tens of billions to them and their friends. And you know Obama will funnel federal money their way any chance he can. Bill Ayers is the heir of Tom Ayers, isn’t he? and Tom Ayers was considered the “top dog” in Chicago, even controlling Daley? So who’s in charge today? Who has all the money today? If Obama wins the United States enters the Dark Ages. The Shadow of Mordor more or less.
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And whose fault will that be, Shine my shoes? You can’t lay that at Hillarys feet.
This is the post I most agree with.
I meant mystic4hillpuma is the post I agree with.
STOP attacking Matthew please otherwise you are just a mirror image of the Obama supporters where there can be no questioning and no dissenting opinions.
KNOCK IT OFF!
Go easy on him! He’s not the enemy!
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We are the dissenting opinions, Yo. This is still an open blog and no one here has used profanity or threats. Just differing opinions. Let Matthew defend himself too.
She will have to go out some for him, but has already warned she’s too busy this fall to do much. I see it as her going through the motions. Then there is also the tactic of damning with faint praise, which I think she displayed pretty well in her speech at the convention!
I agree with every character in that post of yours. Every one. It’s precisely as I would have put it.
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Matthew, the republicans propping Sarah Palin up as a hollow and shallow symbol of women’s “progress” won’t be voting for Hillary in 2012 anyway. Remember, they are in PANDER mode to siphon off the Hillary vote now. On day one of the McCain/Palin administration, however, you better bet it’ll be right back to the same anti-woman bullshit the Repubs are so good at. Hillary won’t need Repubs in 2012.
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But it’s not about the female vote. It’s about the “we hate corruption” vote. There are ample references to this already. And there is a common perception that the “good old boys” represent corruption - that any “boys club” or “fraternity” represents precisely the type of politics people don’t want anymore. And strangely it’s not likely things would have come to such a head if Obama hadn’t come onto the scene and spread his filth. In Palin people see a woman - too true, doh - but more than that they see a woman who will not be part of a “boys club” or a “good old boy” and will clean up the corruption.
It’s not about what Sarah will do in Washington - it’s about what she stands for right now - the diametric opposite of Obama.
Sarah filed charges against herself in the Wooten case because she never has anything to hide and wants the whole thing over with; that’s the exact opposite of Obama.
People like her not for her politics or even for her being a woman but more than anything else for her being the antipode and antidote for the corrupt Obama.
IMHO.
mathew she has already spoken out against it, you have no business telling Hillary how she needs to conduct herself. Try going after NOW who is trying to trash Sarah and the other so called feminist organizations.
She was silent on this too.
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama issued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying that as president he would be prepared to order U.S. troops into that country unilaterally if it failed to act on its own against Islamic extremists.
In his most comprehensive statement on terrorism, the senator from Illinois said that the Iraq war has left the United States less safe than it was before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and that if elected he would seek to withdraw U.S. troops and shift the country’s military focus to threats in Afghanistan and Pakistan
Obama’s warning to Musharraf drew sharp criticism from several of his rivals for the Democratic nomination, but not from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.).
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/08/01/PH2007080102579.jpg
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/01/AR2007080101233_2.html
What a fool Obama is, Musharrif is resigning, so like he really gives a damn what Bambi says.
This article was from August of last year (2007).
Obama is still a fool, 2007, 2008, or any year you please.
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Didn’t I hear some of out troops went into Pakistan today uninvited? Obama = Bush
As well they should. The idea that these extremist scumbags can cross the border into Afghanistan, attack and kill our soldiers, then high-tail it back across some imaginary line on a map and sleep easy at night is pure bullshit.
The concept of “soverignty” implies responsibilities on the part of the supposedly “soverign” nation. If the government of Pakistan is either unable or unwilling to police its side of the border, then the US is 100% justified in launching attacks against terrorists on Pakistani soil. If the Pakistanis don’t like it, too fucking bad.
If Mexican drug dealers were launching cross-border raids into Arizona, California, and Texas and the government of Mexico was either unable or unwilling to do anything to stop them, what would you want the US Army to do?
Mexico doesn’t have nuclear weapons. Besides, Musharraf is out soon, right?
All this “I invaded first so I got a right to stay but you didn’t” stuff is very confusing.
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Dan, what about Russia and Georgia? Or maybe we are the only nation which can ignore sovereignty? What about China and Tibet? What about Venezuela and Columbia? What about Israel and Lebanon? What about Germany and Hungary?
Your argument is full of fallacy and history proves it. That’s why the UN was established and since our government continually ignores the Charter, other countries will also.
Uh uh Dan, you’re confusing a few utopians.
Hmmmm seems to me Hillary made it quite clear how ignorant obama was to the issue of attacking Pakistan in one of the debates, reminding people that if an a attack on Pakistan was to happen that the key principles would have to be notified so not to start a war between India and Pakistan. Washington Post has lost credibility, it is now an official obamabot rag as proven in their non “investigative” reporting on Hillary’s speeches referencing the young woman from Ohio that died because she couldn’t get the medical care needed in time to save her life, and the WAPO claimed Hillary was lying and never vetted the story, when the truth came out that what she was saying was TRUE, not one damn retraction or apology from any of the media that disparaged Hillary over this.
Be fair to Clinton. She’s between a rock and a hard place. If she goes after Obama, she loses a chance to run in 2012… but if Obama wins, she pretty much can’t run until 2016.
If she wants to run in 2012, she needs McCain to win - but not be too successful, or Palin will be in prime position to take over.
Of all Republicans, McCain is probably closest to Hillary’s position on topics - which makes the “McSame” insult even more ludicrous - but would Obama’s position be closer? Even if it is, can we trust him? I don’t, personally, but that’s the issues she’s struggling with - not to mention the pressure that her party is putting her under.
My guess is, she will campaign for Obama - but not too aggressively… her heart isn’t in it.
Why does Clinton lose chance at 2012 if she either truly sits this out or speaks out against the hate? When Obama loses, the DNC will be swept clean. If Obama wins, to be realistic, she will have an extremely uphill battle against a sitting president in the party–there would be on 2012 opportunity. Else, how do you see this happening?
That’s what I said - If Obama wins, she’s out until 2016… her only shot at 2012 if for McCain to win. She has to position herself in such a way that she can’t be blamed for his (Obama’s) defeat, but be in the prime position to do the sweeping if/when the DNC is “swept clean”
because if she speaks out against obama and the dnc biased trolls now in the general they will blame her for the loss. Are you that politically niave?
Do you really think that if they lose they wont divert the anger onto clinton and her standing up against them in the general as a way to save their asses and explain why they lost?
Politics is not horseshoes and lawn darts?
Thank you for defending Hillary so well. I could not have said this better.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Mr Weaver,
horseshoes and lawn darts
Both are fun though.
Although, I don’t believe Senator Clinton will run in 2012, her silence is her desire not to stick her nose under this tent. She knows McCain was the ONLY one to forcefully speak out against the treatment she received. In those moments, I’m sure she knows.
Gov. Palin is no lightweight and has thrown some sharp elbows in her career. If anything, I would think what ever Senator Clinton thinks of Gov. Palin, she knows on a very personal level “what doesn’t kill ya makes ya stronger” and Palin needs to know what that is all about on a national level and quickly.
This gambit will play out with the nation being reminded yet again of how poorly we treat other humans; and for what?
Hillary’s silence, when it comes to defending an opponents gender is not necessary, but she does deeply respect Sen McCain…Obama not at all.
Yes, Senator Clinton has said that she will campaign on the issues and John McCain. Why? Because. Gov Palin is not the target and even Gov. Palin would tell you this. BO is.
Let it all hang out in all its ugly glory and serve as a reminder that we as humans, can do better than this.
I do agree with your principled view that there are very very few adults minding the store and fewer of those wish to or can stop this crap.
Thanks for the article. Ya got Jeremiah God Damn Amerikkka Wright going so I respect that and you both.
You know for all we know they could be discussing this privately. Hill, Sarah, and McCain. They have telephones and email accounts and stuff you know…
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The media, DNC and Obama people used sexist games against Hillary.
So if they took care of it privately too we should condone it.
Sorry it doesnt make sense.
But how far out of touch are they? They don’t get it now, do they? And it’s not that hard to pick up, is it? What happened in 1972? Were they swept clean that time too? I don’t know as it’s before my time but I think I can make a very good guess.
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I dont see anything racist about???
I think it’s Bill’s analogy that applies here
you have candidate X who agrees down the line with you but you don’t think has the ability to implement any of it
or candidate Y, who agrees with you 1/2 time and has a proven record of accomplishments…
what do you do?
if you’re HRC… you stay OUT OF THE LINE OF FIRE as well as you can or YOU are going to blamed by the candidate who specializes in it
HE WOULD USE HRC as the reason the party MUST RESURRECT HIM in 2012. He’d apply his well honed skill of fraud, pandering, manipulation and thuggery as needed.
Dude, Hillary needs to appear as a loyal Democrat to take back the party from the Obamabots. Once Obama loses while Hillary’s credibility in the Democratic Party remains intact, Hillary is so going to take back the party.
Trust Hillary and have faith in what she does.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
Lochos : 1) Linda is not a dude
2) She’s in agreement with you
I’m glad you’re still around, wry.
what do you do?
Shoot the hostage.
Clinton also needs to be aware of the sexism on the part of Obama and the DNC.
If she totally turns a blind eye to it she will have problesms.
Yes Clinton is in a really tough spot.
Hillary already knows what obama and the DNC have done. This is her party and she will deal with it the way she wants and needs too.
This was discussed on another thread on a different subject.
I will not trash Hillary on this. Sarah Palin has plenty of people to defend her. The Repubs are doing an excellent job and putting the Democrats to shame. Hillary doesn’t have to say a thing. People get the message.
But apparently some of her supporters don’t. They think this is some kind of Hollywood movie and Hillary has to make like Sally Field in Norma Rae.
It should be abundantly clear by now that Hillary was put in-between a rock and a hard place. She and Bill have been labeled racists. The AA community still believe this and anything they do will be examined. If she says what you people want, AAs will accuse her of sabotaging 0bama. Sorry, but that’s the way it is. It’s not right, but there’s no way around it.
To me her silence is enough and I’m sure as soon as she emerges, some reporter is going to corner her for a sound bite on the subject. She will gain very little by coming out with a statement and would lose a whole lot more if she did.
As it is, her chances in 2012 may be nil. But she doesn’t know that yet for sure, until 0bama crashes and burns. If she makes a statement that they could then use as a reason for 0bama losing then she’s done.
I think it’s unfortunate that this was posted. There’s nothing the Botheads would like better than to see people slamming Hillary. I certainly am not going to give the Botheads the satisfaction.
I cannot understand why any of you would want to.
If she says what you people want, AAs will accuse her of sabotaging 0bama.
- I’m glad you get it mimi.
I swear, I don’t think people realize how many AA’s hate Hillary right now. Hillary now has to mend that relationship due to Obama’s slash and burn tactics.
She has so many battles going on right now, and I hate to see people that are supposed to her supporters, show lack of understanding about the position that she is in right now.
Hillary released a statement condemning the sexist attacks, and that should be enough.
We are now witnessing one of those through the thick & thin times, and I trust that Hillary knows what she is doing.
Actually, I don’t think the AA hatred of the Clintons is what everyone thinks it is. I was in a major city market over the weekend and several black vendors were selling Obama merch, and many of the buttons and shirts had pictures of Obama AND Hillary, side by side. I gently broached the topic with many of them, and honestly, they all seemed to have moved on past the primary and had nothing but praise for Hillary. Especially the women! So many people call Bill the first black president, but what I think people forget, is that Hillary was the first black First Lady. That is, of course, if we’re going to judge based on generalizations about black women, i.e., that they are strong and outspoke and have had to put up with a lot of shit! I think the supposed AA hatred for the Clintons is another media manufactured fantasy. Of course there are exceptions, but remember, there are some whites who hate Obama ONLY because he is black. The haters will always be with us.
My opinion is based on the conversations I have with my grandmother, with my mother, with my father, with my aunts, with my uncles, with my cousins, with co-workers, with my family’s coworkers, with neighbors, with my friends, influential Black blogs, influential Black radio programs,etc.
I know what they are saying, and I stand by my opinion that Hillary’s relationship on large scale with AA’s has been damaged by Barack, and it needs healing.
It’s not media fantasy, but a RESULT of media hype.
The Black people in this country have been HOODWINKED and BAMBOOZELED by Obama, he has always been a outsider, his formative years were spent in Indonesia living as a Muslim child, he doesn’t share any of the experiences of your youth. That is why he thinks we have 57 States, he didn’t go to 3rd Grade here. Just take a look at what Obama has done for the people of Chicago, nothing, he spent all of his energy promoting himself. Obama always talks about the War in Iraq but more people were Murdered in Chicago this summer than U.S. troops killed in Iraq. Obama helped all the crooks in Chicago rip off public housing money but the blacks still support him. This is like Detroit, Kwame Kilpatrick was a liar and a thief but the Black voters still re-elected him. He will leave Office and go to jail for 120 days but still deflects any blame, he was railroaded he says, these are two men just looking to help themselves.
But 90% of them voted for Obama instead of the first black first lady?
Thinker,
I don’t just get it, I live among the hate. I’m AA and I can tell you right now it’s freakin unbelieveable!
I will NEVER forgive Barack 0bama for having done this. AAs are so emotional over this biracial fraud’s candidacy it’s despicable. And he has no shame about it. Neither he nor Michelle are the least bit concerned nor have they apologized.
You all are mad because Hillary won’t speak up for Sarah, a Republican. Well what about Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Edwards, Dodd, Leahy, and all the othe Democrats who have sat back and let the Clintons be labeled racists without stepping in to say: “now wait a minute?”
I will NEVER give any of these people my vote again. And I will do everything in power to persuade people to do the same.
When Hillary lost the nomination, my theme song became: “We’ve Only Just Begun.” I want McCain to win, but no matter who wins, I want to work with any and everybody to get rid of these people. I want to see Chicago style racial politics exterminated from the political process.
And that goes for sexism too.
Thank God the Republicans are circling the wagons around Sarah. It leaves us former Democrats to work on purging these people and 0bama from the Party, or starting a new one.
But you know, I’m not fooled. All this criticism at Hillary is just a backhanded way of trying to goad her into campaigning against 0bama and for McCain. Some of you still can’t reconcile the fact that she cannot do that for reasons of her own career, she still is a Democratic Senator with responsibilities to the citizens of NYS, and because of the legacy of her husband’s presidency.
Lest we forget, the Clintons have a daughter, who has to live long after the 2 of them are gone, with their parents choices. Chelsea has already had to live with the burden of Monica Lewinsky and the Clinton-hatred. You’re asking them to condemn their daughter to live with the racist title for the rest of her life as well just to make you all happy.
It’s not like Clinton can add anything that hasn’t been said at the moment in defense of Palin. And I seriously doubt, that Palin would do the same if the situations were reverse. These are politicians we’re talking about, not gods - excuse me, goddesses.
And one more thing:
0bama and Michelle are NEVER going to apologize.
I hope you all realize that.
It’s up to us to do something about that. Instead of having this dialogue, we should use the advantage we have while this guy is shilling for votes, and put this on the table.
Hey 0bama, Michelle, I condemn you for portraying the Clintons as racists and lying about it. And you’ve yet to apologize.
YOU WILL NOT GET MY VOTE!
Wow,Mimi! Great rant. Are you a New Yorker like me?
mimi-
When I listened to Bill Clinton’s speech at the DNC, I wondered why he was praising Obama, when it was known that privately there was bad blood. The only conclusion that made sense was that he was staying in the good graces of the AAs for when Hillary ran again.
And I agree with you, I posted upthread HRC doesn’t have to defend Palin, the Republicans are well organized on that front.
how Hillary can be racist fighting Sarah, it make no sense.
Now I believe, that Media will try to portray Hillary as McCain lover. IIf I am s Obama, I will make clear to all Obamas Media friendly, to shot up ,and stick with Hillary for change. I believe, that is the other sied now(McCain Media who is doing this!!!
I agree with you, Matthew, however if Hillary does speak out, she might as well join Joe Lieberman and his new party. I certainly do understand and agree with your post! Don’t hold your breath though. I am slowly losing respect for Hillary as days go by because she should never have allowed the DNC and the MSM to use and abuse her as she did.
Wuss.
I honestly do not see how she could have prevented it. Who was backing her up?
Thank you! Who was backing Hillary up?
She made like one comment about bias and they called her a whiner.
The press is trying to defend themselves against charges of bias, because they don’t see it. Well, I’ve yet to see ONE reporter ask 0bama or Michelle about the accusations they leveled at the Clintons calling them racist.
When a reporter asks them those questions and why would they want racists campaigning for them, then I’ll say the coverage has been fair.
Sarah’s lucky. The Republican establishment came out in full force to protect her. And she also had what happened to Hillary as a precedent to make a strong case for the msm sexism.
But I guess in you people’s minds, Hillary must be a super-hero with magical powers.
Grow up!
That’s correct when Bill came to her defense he was called a racist,, imangine that Bill Clinton a racist….. It is absolutely deplorable..
I was all set to vote for JM when the DNC turned their back on HRC… but with adding SP to the ticket it is, truly, the icing on the cake!!
McCain/Palin08
HRC2012
One of the worst comments, EVAH.
I think she stood pretty damned tall, considering she stood alone, with all the screaming heads of her own party and the media, at her non-stop. Sorry, I’m not so easily influenced as to be disappointed by a candidates inability to stop the media and her own party from trashing her.
Sarah Palin, if she continues to be a viable player in the weeks ahead, will no doubt get a good chunk of Hillary’s supporters. It would be political suicide for Hillary to go after Sarah if she has any intention of ever running again because she is going to need them back.
Sarah has set the bar very high for the rest of her performances. People will expect the same pit bull with lipstick in interviews and debates. I am not going to underestimate her because I have no idea what she knows and how quick of a study she is. Her fall from grace will be swift if she doesn’t live up to her hype.
Based on interviews of people that know her they think she will be able to hold her own. Time will tell. If she does not stumble, she will be VP.
Hllary will become President. Who wants to bet on it ?
Yes, Hillary will be our President. It’s not a question of if, just when.
Anyone with half a brain knows it is Obama and Axelrod fueling this sexism through surrogates, just as they did in SC when attacking Hillary and Bill as racists. For Hillary to call out against the sexism antics will be directly attacked against her by people in the DNP.
The person needed to call out the sexism is Obama, that is leadership, but Obama is fueling it, so he can’t call for an end to it, it is one of his only forms of attack left since everything else about him is completely useless.
Hopefully when McCain enters the WH one of his first actions is to replace the Obama Harvard alumni and Chicago twerps on the FCC and then enforces the new FCC to fix the media to become news reporters and not news makers as they have been the past few yrs.
Yeah the more i think about this post the more angry and offended i am geting over it.
This post is very poorly thought out and just plain SUCKS!
Its not Hillary’s job to tell that idiot obama and his disgusting gang of MSM baracksuckers and cult like koolaid drinkers to act like adults and grow the fuck up.
Let them go fully to their folly!
Its not Hillary’s Job to save them from themsleves Thats Obama’s Job!
And it is also not her fault that she was treated so badly. Now to some she not only got trashed, but it seems they think it is her fault for not stopping it.
It’s the old: “it’s the rape victim’s fault she got raped,” condemnation.
Say, isn’t that sexist?
My GF asked the same question. “Why doesn’t Hillary speak up?” I don’t know but I suspect she has been threatened..well duh. After 20+ years of threats and abuse from the wing-nuts, I don’t think any personal threat would affect her. If I were the person doing the threatening of Hillary, the only threat that I could think of would be her job in the Senate. I don’t think she give a crap if they threaten to push her out at the next election, I think Dems told her that she would never get another piece of legislation passed for her State or for any cause that she cared about. For Hillary who believes in duty, that would do it.
Let me get this straight, palin can call obama a wimp and a fraud and that is OK, but if you attack palin then that is “sexist”. I got it.
Obama is a wimp and a fraud and there is plenty of evidence to back it up. Being a wimp and a fraud is relevant. If the attacks on Sarah are honest and relevant then no problem.
Well, if you got it, you should have used a rubber. Be gone, wimpy.
LOL, nice one, Strawberry!
When did Palin call Obama a wimp and a fraud? She may have been implying that but she never used those words. Anyway, if the shoe fits wear it.
You Obots scream at us to stick to the issues but when you use vicious personal attacks that is always fine and dandy.
Obama is a wimp and a fraud.
You know what, standing on principal will take Hillary infinitely further than remaining silent. Look at the overnight success Palin achieved. Why, because ordinary, everyday Americans could relate to her and appreciated her candor. Hillary was the trail blazer. Palin could not have done what she did had Hillary not cleared her path. If Hillary points out the obvious inflammatory, vicious lies heaped on Ms Palin she only stands to benefit. There is merit and respect for a maverick. Just ask McCain. Hillary will instantly elevate her status with those Americans who yearn for and applaud candor and honesty. Those are her future constituents and voting block. The Democratic party she once knew, (and depended on for the nomination) will not help her on 2012. It will be the new independents who will reward and ultimately elect her. Matthew, you are spot on with your post.
I do not think she wants to be an Independent. She is Hillary Clinton, a very subtle, careful and yes, cautious politician. That’s her and thats they way she is going to play it.
Nope, that’s a very bad idea.
If McCain is such a maverick, why didn’t he leave the Republican party when Bush smeared him in 2000? Why didn’t McCain say, “Damn the Republican party and Damn Bush. Damn Bush for smearing me?”
You are asking Hillary to do what McCain does dare to do politically.
McCain went back to the Senate and went out of his way to annoy Bush at every opportunity. From 2000 - 2006, the two never agreed on anything. McCain was known as a RINO to his own party, at one time considered as a running mate for Kerry. The Democrats couldn’t say enough good things about him. Of course, Bush was the most fiscally irresponsible Republican since Reagan, so the Dems went along with whatever he said, even though they bad-mouthed him at every turn. Bush was their scapegoat. McCain was progressive on the environment and joined in the bad-mouthing of Bush.
And for not leaving his party, John McCain now finds himself saddled with the baggage of a man he never much liked to begin with. His big challenge in this election is to distance himself as much as possible from George Bush. It could cost him the election.
Hillary will find herself in a similar position if Barack Obama is elected. He will go after her with a vengeance, because she poses a threat to him.
No matter how it happens or what Hillary does, if Obama loses, she will be blamed for it. It will be a close election, and Independent women will be huge factor in deciding it.
They will not be motivated to go out and vote just to spite Obama or for a woman who never took the RBC decision to the credentials committee, who immediately threw her support behind a candidate who pulled off voter fraud, who threw fundraisers for Obama and introduced him to her donors while he couldn’t even raise $100,000 for her or remember to ask supporters to help pay off her enormous debt, this from the guy who put out an announcement three days after the primaries that Patti Solis Doyle was now officially on the payroll. I mean how can you find any dignity in this? She is done. 2012 is four years away and anything can happen. Who in their right minds will show up to vote this November for the year 2012?
Those are voters who will sit out on election day. They need a cause to rally them. Even voters who are perfectly happy with their party do. That’s what conventions are for.
With all the attention that has been given to sexism and the role of media in destroying woman candidates, how can anyone watch someone who’s said the media ruined their chances and it was unfair, not speak up? It’s like witnessing a crime and not reporting it with the delicious twist that it happened to you, too. And a lot of women do this.
It is a mentality that perpetuates abuse. A woman who was beat as a child allows her boyfriend to do the same to her children. How can you believe Hillary the next time she runs, if she ever does, when she says she’ll fight for you? Maybe she’ll just fight when it’s easy enough, but if it seems too hard, then she’ll take a dive and wait it out. Those people aren’t fighters.
And I have known fighters. I pushed my best friend who kept her child to dump her loser boyfriends, to go after her son’s deadbeat dad in court, to keep furthering her education and look for new jobs when they turned her down for a promotion to give it to a less qualified male. I have fought my own battles and gone far, and I learned that from joining the military out of high school, putting off my modeling career. I wanted to learn survival skills before throwing myself into a big city where I knew no one. And my stepfather made his money off medical patents. He bought the company he worked for by taking out loans and finding investors and pooling stock from his coworkers. He wanted things done his way, and he was right. It pays to be right. That is my point.
Sarah Palin is an example to anyone with an entrepreneurial spirit. You can relate to her, because she told people to “fuck off” when she knew she was right, regardless the consequences. And she was right, so it paid off. John McCain is the same way, or he wouldn’t be his party’s nominee. He stuck to his guns when people had already written him off, and now he is revolutionizing his party. He made a ballsy move and double-downed to nominate Sarah Palin, and I like them both for being so rebellious.
Hillary would gain respect from women, if she did the right thing and spoke out against sexism, or at the very least refused to campaign for Obama. Now the new girl is more popular, and Hillary is supposed to be the muscle for the Messiah. Even if she “attacks McCain,” it will look that way. She will be seen as jealous of someone who could take her place as the first woman President. She could never talk again about equality for women and “us divas have to stick together.” She better hope 2012 is about abortion and the economy.
great post
does locho get it?!
Maverick refers to being unbranded, not stupid.
I agree with you georgia.I think most Americans KNOW Hillary is not, and will never be responsible for Obama losing,no matter what she were to do..the fact is,he is a LOUSY candidate,and we ALL sat and watched what he did to Hillary in the primaries..We DO love and appreciate a maverick,and if Hillary were to come out against Obama… she would have even more respect than she has now.BURN BARRY BURN!
Sarah hasn’t had to say a word in her own defense.
How is that standing on principal? People are protecting her.
This post is giving the Botheads what they want. An end to Hillary.
Besides, even though I’m voting McCain, I’m not a Republican. I disagree with their ideology. I want healthcare. Sarah’s not going to get me that. She’s a means to an end and I haven’t lost sight of that.
And yes, as a voter, I will always condemn when a woman has been unfairly treated with sexism. But I’m not confused about my own personal ideology.
Apparently, a lot of you are.
There’s a difference between being anti-0bama and pro-Republican and I am definitely the former.
Amen to that!!
Leave Hillary alone. She’s entitled to privacy as to how, or if, she addresses anything related to the general election. If she were the candidate running against McCain/Palin, I would agree with you. But she’s not, and who are you to question whether or when she speaks about anything?
I have been reading your stuff for a few weeks, and suspected before now that you really were not a Hillary supporter. Now, I’m pretty positive.
I have been and am ABSOLUTELY a Clinton supporter. Just because I question what is going on now is not a reason to play the troll game and suggest that I was not. You cheapen the conversation by using the tactics of the nutroots gangs.
THis post just feeds the trolls and give the right wing something to use to shit on hillary with.
INCREDIBLY STUPID POST ON NOQUARTER!
WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!
WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!
WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!
Are you going to cry over a remark about Hillary? How silly!
suck my Obama!
However, I think Matthews’ post is thoroughly bad.
Hillary ‘12!!!
Hillary should stay out altogether, lift not a finger to help bail Osbama Bin Lyin’ from a Titanic disaster that he will face. Hillary vs. Palin, 2012! What a nice political duel 4 years from now, right? As for Osbama Bin Lyin’ he will face the judgment of voters and will go down in defeat for his Illinois senate seat that he has not served.
Hillary Clinton should speak up if at the least make a public statement saying to the effect that, My heart is with Sarah Palin during these childish, misogynist, attacks by the god old boys club. All I can offer you is to tell you to hang tough - it just means that you scare them”. The DNC does not have anything on Clinton - she could say to them - screw you, I am taking my 18 million and running as an independent. I would have more respect for her if she spoke up about Palins treatment - her silence makes me think what the republicans are saying and that is Hillary is pissed that another woman may end up becoming the number one.
What the hell is up with all the anti-Hillary posts again? Jesus Christ. Sarah doesn’t need or want Hillary’s help. She can take care of herself.
This is not about helping Governor Palin. She is more than capable of defending herself and the Republican’s have already proven successful at neutralizing Obama’s race card tactics. What this is about is Clinton. What is she to do or not do in the party. This is her 3 a.m. moment to either act like a party leader and future candidate for play follower to the Dear Leader. She’ll get blamed for Obama’s defeat regardless, so she might as well retain her dignity.
She wants to be president. She can not come out in support of Sarah. Her silence will speak volumes. Like I said, as a woman, I would not want Hillary to speak out for me. It would make me look weak. Like Biden speaking for Barky on foreign affairs for Barky. It makes Barky look weak to have someone else speaking for him.
Speaking of Barky, anyone notice how tired he looks these days? He doesn’t look well.
He looks sick.
His hair is really, really getting white, too.
Sprout - he was dyeing it before to pass as a non- boomer. My husband is bi-racial like Barky and the white hair tends to be straighter than the black hair. When the hair grows long, it looks whiter. Get it cut, it looks blacker.
I can assure you at age 47 Barky was not as dark headed as he appeared last Winter.
It’s a dye job…just like Michelle’s lip reduction and her little girl’s straightened hair. Authenticity is not their strong suit.
Ok I am not going to post in this thread anymore.
It doesnt deserve Comments.
3:00 am Moment?
This is NoQuarter’s 3:00 am moment.
Are they really Hillary supporters? or are they going to let Hillary get used as a pawn in an election she has kicked out of.
Let barry stand of fall on his own merits.
Why is everything about Hillary, Matthew? Has this entire country completely lost it’s collective mind? I’m a little confused here. Larry Johnson wrote something after the convention about this site being open to those who supported McCain, Obama or third party candidates.
In two months we will chose the person who will be president for the next four years and the choices are pretty pathetic, but it’s what we are left with, but you, apparently, still want to make it about Hillary.
I wonder whatever happened to Techdude and Texasdarlin?
They just faded away, didn’t they? Was the COLB posted on dailykos forgery or was it real? Was Obama born in Hawaii or Kenya? Does he or did he have a dual citizenship with Indonesia and did he ever go by the name, Barry Soetoro?
If my memory serves, one day you were here, Matthew, claiming Techdude was not who he said he was and the document posted on dailykos was not a fraud. A few days later, Techdude and Texasdarlin were gone. Now there is a lawsuit charging more of less the same things Texasdarlin claimed.
I also seem to remember her site being crashed. I’m just trying to get a handle on things here so forgive me if I am wrong and it was a different Matthew. I’m just trying to find some logic in a post trashing Hillary again and that is what you are doing. Because the way I see it, the only person who might benefit from Hillary being trashed is….. Barack Obama. And the DNC, of course. She isn’t a threat to McCain.
Ok, I think I’ve got it now. Never mind.
I know. Wha’s up with that?
And it’s amazing that people still insist that Hillary can run as Independent.
Get this you LOW INFORMATION VOTERS:
She can’t get on the ballot in many states. It’s too late! Each state has their own rules and regulations. And her 18 million votes are not enough to win the WH.
Do the math people. It’s a much better strategy to wait this out.
It’s a good thing none of you all are running for POTUS. Putin, Jong, Ahjmadinejad would eat your lunch and the US would be screwed.
A nice vacation for Bill and Hillary….I hear the south of France is nice from now until Nov.
Agree.
Puerto Rico. Yea, it’s hurricane season, but the rum and the people are fine and they love them some Clintons.
Hillary did all she could for obama she should sit back and let him destroy himself.
Palin is fine without Clinton.
But she should not open her mouth once more for Obama until he ponies up some cash for her debt.
Smartest comment on here.
and then she should just say, “he’s nice enough”
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Palin is doing just fine. Everyone needs to relax. She is kicking ass. THe RNC will get Obama one way or another.<