Rasmussen: Palin Now More Popular Than McCain and Obama
By Uppity Woman on September 7, 2008 at 12:15 AM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Joe Biden, John McCain, Sarah Palin
Do you love this title or what????
A week ago, most Americans had never heard of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin. Now, following a Vice Presidential acceptance speech viewed live by more than 40 million people, Palin is viewed favorably by 58% of American voters. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 37% hold an unfavorable view of the self-described hockey mom.
The figures include 40% with a Very Favorable opinion of Palin and 18% with a Very Unfavorable view (full demographic crosstabs are available for Premium Members). Before her acceptance speech, Palin was viewed favorably by 52%. A week ago, 67% had never heard of her.
The new data also shows significant increases in the number who say McCain made the right choice and the number who say Palin is ready to be President. Generally, John McCain’s choice of Palin earns slightly better reviews than Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden.
Are you laughing hysterically yet? It gets better:
Perhaps most stunning is the fact that Palin’s favorable ratings are now a point higher than either man at the top of the Presidential tickets this year. As of Friday morning, Obama and McCain are each viewed favorably by 57% of voters. Biden is viewed favorably by 48%.
There is a strong partisan gap when it comes to perceptions of Palin. Eighty-nine percent (89%) of Republicans give her favorable reviews along with 33% of Democrats and 59% of voters not affiliated with either major party.
She earns positive reviews from 65% of men and 52% of women. The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that Obama continues to lead McCain among women voters while McCain leads among men. The Friday morning update—the first to include interviews conducted after Palin’s speech–showed the beginning of a Republican convention bounce that may match Obama’s bounce from last week.
Ooooooooo. Not good Barky. Not good at all. Dang! Michelle must be stamping her feet! You keep shooting at Sarah, ya hear? And make sure CNN and MSNBC keep it up too. See how well it works out for you. You pulled the race card for a year. Now it’s the S card, Barky. Hurts, doesn’t it?
Thanks for your help, man!
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Long time reader, first time poster.
Someone said the other day that Karma wears a pantsuit. It’s also a BITCH !!
Can’t wait until November 4th.
ObamaIsToast Welcome! Glad to have you posting!
And the Karma bit is true
Welcome ObamaIsToast!!
tsk tsk tsk!!! “Toast” is RACIST. Toast is BROWNED bread. Toast usually has egg on its face.
LOL you went way out into the far reaches of the universe to pull that one out.
Your new queen Sarah is a Racist just like you.
“So [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] beat the [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]!”
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/09/05/alaskans-speak-in-a-frightened-whisper-palin-is-%E2%80%9Cracist-sexist-vindictive-and-mean%E2%80%9D/
Nice enjoy yourselves, PUMAtards.
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I’m black dumbass so I can’t be racist, and i choose not to be bigoted as well. I also am not stupid to believe stories with unnamed sources and no follow up evidence. I mean how do i know the chick on the phone wasn’t obama, wasn’t he the one that sent the racist memo on the Clintons which was a lie? Also out of respect for little trig could you not run around calling people retards it’s not nice.
“I’m black dumbass so I can’t be racist”
That is utterly the dumbest statement ever uttered. That’s like saying I am white so i can’t be poor. Jackass
“Another UNCONFIRMED “source”.”
Yeah just like Larry Johnson’s “whitey tape.” Keep your heads in the sand PUMAtards.
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Black people who hate white people, such as Reverend Wright, are Racists.
Another UNCONFIRMED “source”. So typical of the Obama camp. If you can’t beat them fairly then smear them as “racists”. Pathetic.
History will not be kind to Obama or his supporters.
PUMA
I think that history will actually say that three things beat him:
1 Not taking matching funds.
2 Not taking HRC as his running mate.
3 Sarah Palin.
I would add fourth, which hasn’t gotten the exposure it deserves: ACORN.
The fact that two out of three of these refer to Typical White Women, whom he collectively depises, makes this all the more delicious.
It’s the Obama way. Spread lies and try to get the opponent to withdraw.
Alice Palmer, Ryan, Hillary.
Now he’s lying about Palin.
Palmer surely must be having a chuckle over this all.
Cankle Biter? Is that anything like a canker sore? Those things are a pain in the ass—just like trolls.
This is such a ridiculous link. Unnamed sources, blah blah. It’s another smear from the desperate OnoImLosing camp. By the way, no one on this site but other trolls is offended by calling us Republicans or PUMAs, so save your fingertips.
cankle biter
you’re a nasty piece of Hussein-Troll and guess what? ‘Louise’ does not exist!
Karma wore a pantsuit but now is wearing a skirt.
There was a sign one person in a crowd was holding which read “Sarah, You had us at HELLO.”
All joking aside, this PUMA wore her first Women Power T-shirt in 1969 sitting on a tank at an anti-war rally.
We have still not come a long way baby, but we are getting there. Equal has expanded to mean equal representation. Isn’t it time the father of our country is joined by a mother for our country?
PS – I started a long list of the “ABC’s ob BO” (A is for Ayers, Auchi, etc….) if we could have an open thread and all contribute it would be fun to sum up this past year of BO. I’ll be back to NQ late this afternoon after work and post what I have so far here.
If Susan (or someone) can open a new thread that would be great.
ack, early, that should read:
The ABC’s of BO
Can we get an open thread for it, please?
karen,
You’re absolutely right in pointing out that equal should mean equal representation.
In fact, wasn’t it “taxation, without representation” the reason for the Revolutionary War? Well, it’s time for another revolution to finally allow women to have a say in how we are governed.
Women make up over 1/2 the population, yet, are still marginalized and demonized whenever any woman dare stands up and says she can do better. Why?
We still have a long way to go baby, but we are definitely on our way. In the process, I hope those men who are still threatened by a strong woman will come to realize that women are not the enemy and that, when they are in power, will not marginalize men as they have women, since the beginning of time.
Oh, the irony. What a terrible loss of a golden opportunity that was right there in the hands of the DNC patriarchy and the women that continue to serve them, but they decided to throw away and then tried to destroy an extraordinarily qualified woman for a male fraud (no pun intended).
And for what? They will be trying to answer that question for a long, long time.
You left out prison escapee Alammarae, under the “A”s.
Wow, this place is ridiculous. Did you guys run out of laundry to do? Welcome to the Republican party femitards.
Welcome to REALITY loser!
PUMA
Don’t waste your time with Cankle Biter. She thinks she’s being funny, but she’s just another f*ckwit.
Wow. Barry paying for weekends now? That’s totally new. We never see ANYONE here on weekends. And you’re new. Not very good, but new. Are you in your 90 “internship?” After 90 days they’ll re-evaluate your contribution and decide whether to pay you or not? hahahahahahahahha
Do you have something of substance to say, troll?
……
Thought not.
Didn’t achieve much in your life, hey?
Cankle Biter
GET A LIFE OBAMATROLL! Or ask your bimama to give you your pablum allowance…you’re drooling imbecility… and get lost in Obambi’s ear lobe…we’re at least polite, you impecunious dunderhead!
Love the title, Uppity!
Well she just took it from Rasmussen. And a thousand other sites around the world. This is old news. You didn’t know?
I’m still waitin’ for all those firings he promised.
He has to consult with his 300 Foreign Policy Advisors first and that takes a while to do.
rotfl
yeah..and why didn’t obama fire anyone for all the lies spread about hillary?…or the death threats by his supporters made to super d’s? oh that’s right, because that was obama’s previous “scorch and burn politics”….now we’re supposed to ride the unity pony. no thanks, I prefer to walk across party lines november 4th. go sarah!
It’s good to hear that 33% of my fellow Democrats retain their rationality. I had serious doubts.
Mr I hear that. I chat in a politics room and a few folks I never would have thought to go for Barry have. It has been frustrating.
saw this comment on another thread. youmustbekiddingme
BO is just trying to turn this whole election into a cat fight!
That is what he is doing. These are Obama trolls trying to make you feel guilty. He masters in this. Don’t feel guilty about making sure Obama pays for his mistakes.
Guilty? Are you kidding me??? I feel damn PROUD as a true Dem NOT to vote for that racist misogynist turd come November.
I’m sleeping like a baby.
PUMA
HILLARY 2012
I heard a radio ad yesterday that said McCain is going to overturn roevwade … those people obviously don’t know how their government works and are misleading people … [did not hear which entity paid for the ad]
Along with the race card is the Roe v Wade card. Both are old, worn out, and have no bearing on this GE.
I understood those ads were from the Obama campaign. I’ve heard them in OHio and most women I know just laugh and say, yea, yea, heard it before, not buying it now. Yawn.
Guilty? I have NO Guilt. WHen I saw their attitude toward women, I lost any sympathy whatsover. All bets are off!
Hillary is not helping Barky get elected no matter how it may appear. Hillary is out campaigning to put a democrat in the white house, namely her. She is getting out there and staying visible in case she has to step in for Obama if the Berg lawsuite is successful, http://www.obamacrimes.com , or if one of those skeletons gets yanked out of the closet and does him in. If nothing succeeds and it gets close to November, don’t be surprised if Hillary or Bill gets someone on releasing a major scandal to the media under the radar! They know what they are doing here. Trust the Clintons!
Go Hillary. Go Berg. And to the extent Larry can help, go Larry.
csuZeq, Do you think fluffy bunny is an obot troll? He/she showed up a couple of days ago on other threads trashing Hillary.
puh leeze…..all I’ve ever said is that Hillary will only hurt herself if she goes out and campaigns hard for Obama. I stand by that view. Is Matthew Weaver an obot troll?
feel free to read all my old posts if you like. find me one where I bash the woman.
hopefully my loud neighbors will shut up so I can sleep. sigh.
I think Hillary should stay away from Obama, too.
What does it gain her or the country?
The trouble is, in politics you commit yourself to serving for discrete lengths of time and it’s to party as well as policy. All these elected people have to stick in there and play a part, though many would probably like to kick others in the teeth. Like gritting your teeth and trying not to spoil a big wedding, it might be fun but you might never get invited to another one. So she has to at least look like a team player while she backs off slowly.
She risks ostracization from the party if she doesn’t suckup for The One. That is serious stuff. It’s blackmail of the highest order. But the joke will be on them in the end. Timing. It’s EVERYTHING.
I just have a gut feeling… there is much more to come. We know really little about the man who has written two books about himself. So little about certain things that shouldn’t matter… that you just know something is very wrong. I hope as well, the election will be properly monitored for voter fraud. His folks are so certain they have this huge previously untapped voter base. I hope somebody will be verifying the registrations and things like mail in ballots. These guys don’t care how they win… they just want the end result that they want.
funny that he never seemed to mention his important job with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in those books….
that seems like it would be a Pulitzer Prize winning story for some investigative journalist. What a tragedy that none of them are interested.
For the first time in my life…….I am proud of the Gop 527 ads to come.
Pass the popcorn.
Oh my,
I was thinking the same thing this morning.
He’s extremely nervous in the O’Reilly interview.
I think Bill has been chomping at the bit to get at him
For the first time in my life I am proud of Bill O’really.
Pass the popcorn.
He was hopped up on coke.
As a gay man with many friends who work in the professional world by day and party by night, i can tell you i have seen that look before.
That man was bumped up!!!
Don’t believe me? compare that interview to any other interview he has given before.
Leans forward instead of back
Overly animated and rushing to speack instead of taking his time.
Eyes overly focused on Oriely’s face instead of wandering as he formed his thoughts.
Fast talking insted of Uh Uh Uhing.
Ladies and gents if you dont know what good coke looks like tune into the O’Riely interview.
Hillary was wonderful on O’Reily’s show. She leaned back in the chair, seemed completely relaxed and had facts as always. You are right about Obama being strung too tight and tense.
OK, stop it…you are kinda scaring me. Could it have been adrenalyn? Too much coffee?
I won’t watch the interview because I can’t stand either of the people in it, and certainly don’t want to feed O’Reilly’s ratings or ego. But I do appreciate reading about it from those who can stomach watching it.
I never thought of that but you may be right. If not coke then some sort of major stimulant.
Did you check his throat to see if he was swallowing alot.
Didn’t you see Bill pull one of his hairs when his head was turned?
On Larry’s radio show the other night a retired physician said BO was way too thin for his age, and was either still smoking heavily or something else was going on.
Looked like meth to me.That was hitlers little helper.
I don’t and I take your word for it. He definitely was a neophyte at best.
Jeremiah,
Interesting observation.
I had my an affair with C. many years ago and I know what you mean but do you really think he would appear on O’Reilly while under the influence?
BO/BS in some ways reminds me of a couple of meth freaks I used to know. They were not particularly jittery as one might expect when high, though they were really pathetic blobs when down. But they were convinced no one could tell when they were high. They also couldn’t walk outside for the mail without getting high, they were so dependent. So, yes, he would definitely go out under the influence because the only time he can perform is when “up.”
JGDAW,
I don’t doubt he was somewhat nervous. Perhaps this style of responding is his default mode?
Then again, was he trying to use a different style of responding (less pensive/calculating, post-Saddleback)? I don’t know.
SM
I think he’s just an over eager people pleaser praying that he doesn’t forget what he has already said and contradicts himself in the same interview. But that’s just a woman’s opinion
He skipped over his COlumbia years and, in 400 interviews, not ONE person who was there with him remembers him.
Larry,
I’ve been out of the loop for a couple months (gotta make a living, y’know.)
Whatever happened to that tape of Michelle Obama talking trash that you had? Is there a link?
Thanks !
Larry mentioned it in a recent post talking about the Democrats leaving their trash behind (I think?)
The Tape hidden in the lining of that “pregnancy suit Palin wore to cover up for her retard baby” as you and your fellow trolls talked about on Daily Kos!
When are you guys going to produce pictures of that pregnancy suit by the way?
When the Bigfoot guy gives the suit back.
He never had it. The GOP have it. It’s due out at the end of October. Don’t get your knickers in a twist.
Oh man, pass the popcorn. puhleeze.
Oprah will do fine to illustrate the same thing.
The Obama campaign is so fixated on Palin that it looks like he running for VP. Are they going to get Biden to run against McCain? Or Hillary? He seems to have a go a little nuts with women running for public office unless they are fawning acolytes. It is starting to look very peculiar.
It’s amazing, isn’t it? He’s such a woman hater that he can’t help himself. I think Jesse Jackson had the right cure–castrate him!
Sarah’s castrating him now. We’re awaiting word if he has anything to castrate. The consensus is it’s very little at best.
lolol! So true. Hillary TRIED to set an example for him, but he’s simply shrieking that Sarah stole his media attention!!!!
I love her for that alone. No more Barky day-in-and-day-out. Now, it’s Sarah everywhere you turn.
I can just see Oblockhead now stomping around, throwing things, whining that he is, too, relevant.
ooooooo this should be an intersting comment thread…but I’m tired. good night.
Night-night, fluffy bunny.
Even brother Nate at fivethirtyeight is preparing his pro-Obama readers for some unexpected news…
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/todays-polls-96.html
I think McCain can win Colorado, Nevada and Ohio. And he is pulling ahead in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
No Pennsylvania = NObama.
No Ohio = NoObama
But let’s be fair – he might win the state of Chicago! lolz
lmao will…………I see dead people
OMG I love my own kind.
you would really like St. Louis then. Hitch a ride in the hearse and check it out! LOL
Obama will probably win Washington State. I’m surrounded by Volvo driving Latte sipping blame America first maggots.
Moonbats?
Doesnt Washington State have the highest rate of suicide in the nation?
As i understand it with the massive number of overcast days the lack of melanin production as a natural mood elevator contributes to a higher frequency of morose and depressed populace.
Now based on these findings…if Obama loses i am very concerned about all those latte liberals.
It does rain up here that’s why I have moss growing on my back.
However, it has been very dry up here lately. I’m tempted to ask Northwest Rain to soak me so I can turn green again.
Remember WTO and the riots up here. The Obamabots up here are anarchists and I wouldn’t put anything past them. If I put some of my favorite bumper stickers on my car I’m sure they would key it.
Obamabots in Wa State are depressing for sure. They want America to be punished defeated and humiliated.
Very much like suicide!
Eight years of Bush II has punished, humiliated, and defeated us quite well, thank you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrMS6MBuSg
Perry…
That’s one really funny video!
Thank you
Oh yeck — how can people in WA state be so stupid?????
However, I have stupid inlaws on the east coast.
It will be interesting to see what happens as the GOP machine gets to work showing who Soetoro really is — all the secrets that he thinks are hidden. There are paper trails — and when you travel to third world countries they keep a lot of records.
This is so strange — never in my wildest dreams did I imagine that I would be cheering on the Republicans to expose a fraud.
Both parties have some unsavory characters and both parties need some serious corruption busting.
Volvo drivers are the WORST. I’ve seen them feed the parking meters on Sunday….what, just in case? Lord help you get stuck behind one!
HEY NOW …. I drive a 12 year old volvo … I am waiting for my electric car …. let’s not get tooooooo comfortable with categorizing folks, okay? Me and my little red 240 are pretty insulted. And I am a very very considerate driver.
That’s a ten-four.
Yes, but only after I shrieked with laughter over his previous thread, which said McCain’s bounce was over and I noted that he neglected to post THIS DAY’s additional two point plummet by Obama.
They are a comical bunch of acolytes over there.
Johninca thanks for the link. I read a few comments there. They really like to spin the polls don’t they? “Low information” neophytes.
I know what you mean. “Electoral projections done right.” They should call it:
Electoral projections done right at Obama headquarters…
McCain knows something about Karma.
I saw it on his face when he introduced Sarah to the nation.
McCain was saying to himself..Come on you sexist pigs take the bait and meet your demise.
Sarah is the answer to our pain that we suffered at the hands of the thugs.
McCain gave America a gift!!!
Something funny about karma, too. Obama lied about NAFTA in Ohio, and then he got caught. Hillary beat him, though the fight got pretty nasty. Now he’s got to win the state after all, and he’s using Hillary’s old speeches.
But McCain introduced Sarah Palin in Dayton. It was his birthday and her 20th anniversary that same day, right after the Democratic convention ended. It was such a clear sign to me that McCain will win this year. It’s his time, and every Republican that won has carried Ohio.
The stars are aligned!
Wasn’t there something mentioned also about Women’s suffrage at that event?
Yes. It was a lot of things all at once.
We Ohioans are smarter than that.
You bet.
Amen to that!
In light of palin’s popularity, I wonder how many women know about this change in McCain’s abortion stance? http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/06/mccain-surrenders-gop-party-platform-includes-palins-hard-lined-stance-on-abortion/. Not too many, I bet. Goes right in line with her creationism bent. That’ll be real popular too, as more become aware of it. And they will, you can bet on it. I’m not trying to antagonize anyone, just suggesting that one may need to take everything into consideration when looking at the big picture.
Jimbo, I don’t know what to make of you. Here you’ve got this folksy way of talking, but you’re hung up on religion and women’s reproductive rights. I know the Obama memo says to keep hammering away at the theme, but you’re some character, like if Flannery O’Connor wrote about book-burning nazis. Lighten up, you know?
The only chance for Roe to be overturned was during the first 6 years of Bush. Not going to happen now with a democrat congress.
Give it up Jimbo…
This election is not about ideology.
This election is about protecting the United States from enemies foreign and domestic.
Now the Obamabot girls who abandoned Hillary can take up the cause that many of us have championed for the past 30 years.
I’m not going to carry the water for democrats anymore.
The democrats hate women and they also hate America.
Well you know Hope, A Good Man is Hard to FInd..:)
nothing matter to me except NObama!
hehehe…thats a great t-shirt right there!
Jeez dude, I’d be embarrassed to post something that stupid. McCain’s got a “perfect” 20+ year pro-life voting record and the GOP platform has been pro-life for that long. That ain’t change.
You guys really do think voters are morons. Did you miss that whole Saddleback forum?
But you think you are going to scare women into voting for Obama by saying that the GOP platform being pro-life is a change?
OK, now I’m really going to bed.
Sweep well, sweet dweams, wabbit.
No I want that rabbit to have nightmares about the coyote.
You want the rabbit to have nightmares about the coyote?
I take it NW Rain has never seen those Bugs Bunny vs. Wile E. Coyote cartoons. Bugs pwn3d Wile E.!
This is fallacy, I could say the same about Obama. He has consistently voted his whole (short) career pro-choice. So he is “more of the same”. More of the same of what exactly.
Further more, just because something is “new” doesn’t make it better. The pharmacy indudustry can attest to that with multiple law suits all the time due to some “new” drug that was supposed to be better. Give me a break. You are a fool. You would fall off a bridge if you though it would give you a thrill.
What garbage. When did a party platform plank matter? Roe is settled law, period. No one is going to be able to do anything with a Dem Congress so the threat is moot. It’s a DNC/Brazile scare tactic that won’t fly. Millions of PUMAs will not be voting for Obama and millions will be voting for McCain-Palin.
Crooks and liars is a non-entity. I won’t let my uterus be put above my head.
I have no problem with that!
I’m in!
You post this unmitigated bullshit about every 5 minutes. They were lies the first time, the second time, the nth time. You are a liar, an ignorant troll, or both.
51% Say Reporters Are Trying To Hurt Palin; 39% Say She Has Better Experience Than Obama
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/51_say_reporters_are_trying_to_hurt_palin_39_say_she_has_better_experience_than_obama
Or you could put it in a tag like this.
Thank God we have the Obots telling us how Palin REALLY thinks.Shut up about abortion …you bore me with that 36 year old issue.
I’ve read that both McCain and Palin have no interest in appointing Sup.Crt. judges based on that antichoice issue.
In fact, Palin said she knows that women would never give up the right to choose.
For your info. Obot- John McCain picked a woman for the second highest office in the land and a partner
in this campaign. Didja notice? Doesn’t sound very
antiwoman to me.
Your Obot arguments about women and their interests
are irrelevent and a bore. Drop dead, jimbot.
Even Scalia says that Roe is established law.
I love the taste of Flying Fish Roe.
I don’t know why but there was this one sushi bar on P street in washington DC that i used to love going to. They have pretty good sushi, and really bad kareoke. I miss living in Washington DC.
Anyway back to the trolls making us worry about all being turned into barefoot baby birthin machines…proceed.
I am about as sick of hearing about abortion as I am hearing about Barfy Ofrauda. I consider myself pro choice, but would support prolife legislation provided then we endorse and support and make available birth control and adoption assistance. But the truth is that I’d really like someone to give me the numbers on how many abortions there were in the US last year that were not for medical reasons because I believe we make this out to be such a huge problem that if I didn’t know better from the sounds of it, women must be getting pregnant and having abortions all the time. Really, are there people who have multiple abortions in a year? I am not trying to make anyone mad here, but really don’t we have bigger fish to fry before we worry about abortion as our biggest problem in America? Wow. I wish that was the biggest problem here! Also, I keep trying to think of any major changes that have occurred in America and under what Administration and all that comes to mind is no child left behind, an abysmal failure and Welfare reform. So really since Clinton there has only been one major reform and it is such a failure we are going to most likely revamp it no matter who gets in the White House? How does anyone think that the group of leaders we have now will accomplish anything?? I seriously think this is only 4 yaers of being stagnant. I am not worried about an amendment to the constitution being passed. What year was the last one again? Nothing much gets done in America anymore and seriously hasn’t for years!
The most important thing is to sync our biological lives with our cultural lives. Take a look at Chile sometime. You’d be surprised what you find. There’s nothing wrong with kids – but there is something wrong with a society that gets schooling and work so terribly out of sync.
So I just checked and the 27th ammendment to the constitution was ratified in 1992
Here is a timeline of the last 6 ammendments. As you can see, it doesn’t happen very quickly!
1868 Amendment 14 – Rights of citizenship to all people born in USA or naturalized
1870 Amendment 15 – Gives the right to vote to all citizens, regardless of color or race, but women are not mentioned
1913 Amendment 16 – Income tax begins
1920 Amendment 19 – Women’s suffrage (women given the right to vote)
1971 Amendment 26 – Voting age lowered to 18
1992 Amendment 27 – Congressional pay increases go into effect only during the next Congressional session
This information is sad. I would think with all the different forms of birth control available to women these numbers would be a lot lower. 93% for social reasons? I’ve never taken a look at the actual numbers before. Apparently, we’re not making birth control available enough for women or men…We need to do more. I think it would be cheaper for tax payers to pay for contraceptives, then it would for an abortion? But I couldn’t find any facts or figures. I wish I had some answers for this, any thoughts?
I wonder what the breakdown of those social abortion #a are across religious, political, ethnic, socio-economic and age groups.
You need to know that to be able to make some valid generalizations about it.
I was just looking for that, I can’t find a breakdown. I was thinking along those same lines also. I just don’t know where you can find the information. Or where to start, I would think this would already be being addressed, but apparently it’s not.
I don’t care if we need to go door to door to help women out. Something just doesn’t seem right with those numbers.
What concerns me is if that many women are having an abortion every year, they’re also exposing their bodies not only to the complications that can result from any surgery. But, to sexual diseases, some that have a very real potential to kill them.
It really concerns me that we may be neglecting a very large bloc of women, that may need help. No one could convince me in a million years that this isn’t a very hard decision for many of those women, they just may not have been given any alternative. When she asked that question I was not expecting that high a number.
If you want to look into real (and sometimes real boring) research on abortion, who has them, what the consequences are, you need to get into health services data bases. For instance, I belong to the American Public Health Association (APHA). They are rather fixated on tobacco and AIDS, but they cover abortion too (around the world). There is a general medical database, MEDLINE, and a psychology one, ERIC, and many others. Some you can’t access without member priveleges. If you can’t get into such searches on the Internet, I suggest you go to the nearest public university or even community college. In my state, the university library has to be open to any state citizen. They have books of references if they won’t let you use the computer.
There are tons of articles.
Here’s some good sites to start from on health issues:
http://www.hhs.gov/
Health and Human services. If you look under topics you will see references to MedlinePlus, the data base.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/
Statistics, from Center for Disease Control
http://www.apha.org/
Use the search button to find articles. However this seems to turn up opinion articles or position papers, not research, and I would expect they get cataloged separately.
“Apparently, we’re not making birth control available enough for women or men…We need to do more.”
People are just lazy. Many single men don’t want to use condoms since they don’t feel as good; the women go along with it, maybe hoping that they’ll trap the guy if they get pregnant. One thing I bet would go up if we lost Roe v. Wade – you’d see a lot more people taking responsibility and using birth control properly.
“One thing I bet would go up if we lost Roe v. Wade – you’d see a lot more people taking responsibility and using birth control properly.”
Ya, I can also imagine that STDs would go way down as well.
Paternal DNA testing has given some men second thoughts about abortion. Men can’t deny paternity any longer.
As for “she tricked me!” or “I thought she was on the pill” or even “she said she was on the pill.”
Nonsense. Use a condom. It’s safe sex.
DNA paternity testing is making a lot of men think twice about their own responsibilities.
I agree on the abortion issue. Practice abstinence and use birth control. If a women does have unprotected sex, get the morning after pill. People forget too, abortions do not cure STD’s…..
we do have much bigger problems than abortion. But the bots don’t have anything else to try to intimidate us with….pathetic….
If Roe vs Wade was overturned. Wouldn’t the laws fall back on the individual states?
That is my understanding, but when I mentioned that to a friend of mine who is a lawyer, she went nuts saying well that is not going to happen because it would be throwing out the constition of the United States and it just won’t happen no matter who’s on the supreme court because of everything else that gets tossed if you toss the constitution. not a precedent anyone would want to set unless they are a total psychopath!
Oh, and who is more likely to appoint a radical psychopath to the supreme court, McCain or Ofrauda?????
I rest my case!
You do know that The Congressional arm of US government has to VET that person before they are appointed and can block it. The president doesnt just call up a friend and say “Hey Daryl head to DC you are the Next Contestant on the Supreme Court is Right!
And which party is in control of the US House and Senate?
I Not only kick your case in the nuts but Rest my case triumphantly on the back of your completely pwned laying on the ground in agony case.
oh crap…i read your response wrong…i thought you were implying McCain would appoint a nutjob.
But now my point is even more important.
With no ability to stop his appointment by party opposition, the Nutbag Pelosi Reed and their Idiot Obama could select Bill Ayers as the next justice and who could stop them with a democtraticly controlled congress?
NO ONE!
Exactly. I have been saying this over and over again…I am more concerned about the judges Obama would appoint than McCain!!
What’s wrong with Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Louis Farakhan?
Nothing…its the other justices i would worry about. Would hate to see them rubbed out cause they dont agree with Louis By the Numbers Farrakhan…
And any move that goes against the Constitution by a Supreme Court Justice, could lead to that justice being impeached…geez
If the ruling was reversed, the people’s sovereignty would be returned to it, and the people can decide the issue in the manner properly delineated in our Federal Republic and that would be determined by each State’s Constitution.
As it should be IMHO. Issues that are very sensitive and not directly relevant to the Constitution should not imposed on everyone by a court. that just creates two miserable factions who have no power to change anything yet be locked in eternal battle.
Although I think there is a Federal Partial Birth Abortion ban? I’m not sure what the Constitutional basis for that would be, but so little of what Congress does is restrained by that.
Really tired of the push to make a case out of losing a woman’s right to choose, based on 14th amend.~Makes it sound like the O supporters are pushing some fantasy all women will be living the “Handmaids Tale”, if O isn’t elected.
Just a reminder, Roe v. Wade, is only related to the amendments as the validation for a woman’s right to privacy, there is no amendment guaranteeing abortion, and has never been one to date. The laws of the states go back to the decision on the Roe v Wade case as a matter of common law/stare decisis. It is the job of the courts to see no state law goes against the U.S. Constitution, thus if a state makes a civil penalty for something guaranteed in the constitution, the courts are obligated to not let this happen. Courts prefer to stay out of this type of thing, but when a state chooses to interfere with Federal law, this is where the case ends up, with the Supreme Court. As far as Roe v.Wade being banned, removed whatever the hype is, that could happen in each state, but not likely after as many years have passed; but there will not ever be a Constitutional Amendment for this issue, it will never pass. The worse case scenario is if you are someone who needs or wants an abortion and you live in a state that doesn’t allow it, you might have to go to another state.
State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother’s behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman’s qualified right to terminate her pregnancy.
Holding -Texas law making it a crime to assist a woman to get an abortion violated her due process rights. U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas affirmed in part, reversed in part. Laws applied U.S. Const. Amend. XIV; Tex. Code Crim. Proc. arts. 1191–94, 1196
Source: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0410_0113_ZS.html
McCain wore an orange tie for his acceptance speech as a signal to PUMAs.
Just say no to Obama Bin Biden — Senator Smug and Seanator Plugs.
Ya, and Hillary wore orange for her convention speech.
Hmmmm….
Larry should check his Blog Roll. Some of those links are smearing Palin.
I got this link off a post on Politico. I was reading through your discussion and I have a question maybe someone has an answer to. During the RNC convention protestors were admitted with press badges. I saw a small video clip where they admited this at least two of the code pink woman. What press outlet gave out those badges does anyone on your site know? I’m curious……..it has faded from all news..poof I’ll check back. /Thanks in advance
“A feminist’s argument for McCain’s VP”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL
That was written by Tammy Bruce.
Do you know who she is? She has a great bio.
SCARY STUFF:
Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, “Universal Voluntary Public Service.”
Big Brother had nothing on the Obamas. They plan to herd American youth into government-funded reeducation camps where they’ll be brainwashed into thinking America is a racist, oppressive place in need of “social change.”
The pitch Public Allies makes on its Web site doesn’t seem all that radical. It promises to place young adults (18-30) in paid one-year “community leadership” positions with nonprofit or government agencies. They’ll also be required to attend weekly training workshops and three retreats.
In exchange, they’ll get a monthly stipend of up to $1,800, plus paid health and child care. They also get a post-service education award of $4,725 that can be used to pay off past student loans or fund future education.
But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about “social change” through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul “The Red” Alinsky.
“Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities,” Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for “justice” and “equality” in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. “I get to practice being an activist,” and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
READ MORE:
http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=305420655186700
omg. This is some seriously scary shit! Everyone…check this out! Just when you think the O’s can’t get any more controlling. Harp, do you think this is what Mechelle was alluding to in her campaign speeches in the spring…telling people they would have to “work” to be part of the “change” or whatever the hell she was talking about?
The obot youth are demented/brainwashed enough already; can you imagine an army of these kooks running America?
I thought to myself that I don’t remember that phrase “recruiting” ever used as a substitute for hiring. I always heard Democrats talk about ‘hiring’ teachers. Oblahblah uses the word “recruit.”
I think it is directly related to that issue of “Public Allies” and “Universal Voluntary Public Service”
Every single weekend of the O campaign and perhaps before, there have been “campaign camps”, for organizing his voter base. Every single weekend. Go to the O campaign site, and a little deep into the blog, it is there. Months ago he had a letter describing the service portion of pushing the youth volunteerism, within that letter military service was included, which I read as code for draft, about a week later the letter was scrubbed, and removed all military references.
Do I love it? I don’t know, but it did make me chuckle seeing it at the top of the page at 2:10am.
How on earth s semi black man who had half a foreign father who was a Muslim can be the president of the USA?
Don’t tell me there is not a capable and genuine white man fit for the presidential job?
Are we in the USA or somewhere in Africa or Arabs?
Oh Jesus! This country is going banana man!
Better rectify the Constitution again before the USA is falling into the wrong hand.
Aren’t we Americans are greater thinker?
But watching all this whole garbage scenario is happening right now in the USA, this USA is akin to an African or an Arabic nation!
No more the old and powerful USA but a new and lazy, corrupt and greedy people orientated USA!
dang lollipop, you trolls write some weird stuff.
Troll alert. Sounds like a Kos disciple.
You can tell by the crappy writing.
Troll.
Please take your racist shit back to the pit of Daily Kos where it was spewed.
Oprah Whitey may not be the whitey tape that you all talk about but considering the circumstances and close connections, it is a close second.
If Oblahblah does not condemns Oprah for her racist attitude and actions, then he shows for the thousand time that leadership about racial biases is another one of his hypocritical fake stances.
“would not use her show as a platform”
what a big pile of shit oprah is. simply disgusting…I sincerely hope all the white working and stay at home moms that have watched her and made her billions boycott her show, her magazines, everything. she is a racist bi@tch.
Ouch! That must hurt mr Rock star!
And now, find some little known facts in the battle of the earmarks – and please, make them well known:
Obama, Biden voted for the Bridge to nowhere instead of Katrina relief:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/07/bridge-to-nowhere-who-voted-for-what/
My understanding is that Palin is a member of a feminist organization that is committed to birth control, adoption, economic support and other initiatives that would make abortion rare. Larry/Susan, can you post some info on this for us.I saw briefly on CNN headline news last night that Palin is anti birth control etc. I think this is false information. If you look at Palin’s own reproductive record it is clear that she practices some kind of birth control; her children are clearly spaced out in years. If Roe v Wade were overturned, the issue would definitely be a state issue; blue states would pass legislation approving it; red would probably not. The net effect would be zero because if you look at where abortions are legally performed now, I think you would find that they are mostly in the blue states. But the bottom line is that this issue is no longer the hot button issue among women that it was 30 plus years ago. I don’t think it is a winning issue for Dems. The economy as an issue might be but Obama can’t seem to get focused on it. Where are Bill and Hill?
See my post and link below. You are correct.
Since America to a large degree has made this a popularity contest of style over substance now Oblahblah is in deep trouble.
I find all the candidates annoying so will vote on substance and judgment which kicks the Americal Idol wannabe Oblahblah to the curb.
I was thinking about the things I like about Palin–why we are so immediately attracted to her. One thing I don’t remember hearing others say is, she is so obviously happy! She loves her husband. She loves Alaksa. She loves her children–and thinks her Downs baby is “perfect”! She took all the crap and lies that Obambi and the trolls dished out on her and her family, shrugged it off and seems HAPPY. She is obviously a strong woman with a strong faith who will be competent as VPOTUS, but if (horrors!) she loses, she will be happy to go back to being (just!) the Governor of Alaska. You can’t fake that!
Compare that to the whining that is coming from the other side. Barky sounds more like a “whiny girl” that the WOMAN in the race.
I’m very disappointed with NOW and how they’ve jumped on the bandwagon about her being unable to be a mother and VP. I used to belong to that organization, and I’m glad I let my membership lapse.
They need to change their name from National Organization for Women to National Organization for Some Women. If Palin wasn’t a conservative Republican, they’d be screaming “sexism” at the top of their lungs.
For 12 years, I’ve been an Independent married to a conservative Republican. I’ve tuned my husband’s rantings out more times than I can count. Now, I’m beginning to believe he’s right on one point, at least. The left wing wants freedom and free speech for other leftwingers but not for anyone else. They only fight for each other but not for the rest of America. NOW and many others have unfortunately proven his point and sealed my resolve to vote McCain/Palin.
You know everyday. I find something new in John McCain’s picking of palin. Damn. Obama is falling apart at the seams I clicked on aol an it seems he’s really pissed off about what Palin said about him, the wheels are coming of the bike, why? Because obama has never ran a campaign with a worthy opponent to completion. he thought John Mccain was going to pick just another conservative white man, and the republican base would not have been enthusiastic, which in all honesty would have been shoe in. But palin is something different. he can’t attack her the way he would have been able to attack a white male opponent. So where as he thought he would be a shoe in he’s going to have to actually run for president. John McCain is good. Damn!
Zoby has McCain/Palin up by 4 this morning. This is going to be a fun week! While the press complains about no access and she will not meet the press, I hope she gives them a photo op of her saying goodbye to her son as he goes off to war. And, her telling them I had more important things to do than talk to you.
I just heard a promo for Joe Bidden on MTP, it said, his first interview since being named the VP running mate.
Info Share:
Source: youdecide2008.com/2007/06/13/full-2008-debate-schedule-from-dnc-and-gop/
I’m hoping on trying to go to the October 7th, perhaps our school will have a group going. I would love to see it.
Hey Uppity, keep it rolling!
Barky meets the 2008 version of Annie Oakley! You gotta love it!!!!
He and Michele are going to need “frequent” changes of their “undies”!
Palin’s a fighter – and worth fighting for
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-dreher_07edi.ART.State.Edition1.26b4583.html
This Democrat is proud to vote for REAL change!
McCain-Palin ‘08
Stand up America!
Obama is on the run!
McCain-Palin and America are kicking Obama’s radical ass back to Chicago where it belongs!
‘This Week’: George Stephanopoulos interviews Obama
Barky…the stuttering machine…Does not have a clue…
All these folks aint really saying nothing about the issues, Obma is a little tiny bit, but it seems like Palin and McCain just mantra stealing when they need to talk about N. Korea rebuilding nukes like North Korea has fallen off the map
Obama trolls alert – for those of you who are desperately trying to smear Palin and drive off her female supporters:
http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/ok-so-lets-talk-religion-palin-and-god/
Excerpt from above article:
“She is a member of “Femminists For Life” which is a pro-life, pro-contraception group. She wants to make adoption easier, promote abstinence, and advocates the use of contraception. (A view not completely different from even Hillary Clinton if we are going to be honest.) This group also advocates for women in college to get child care services so that they can finish their education. Palin has never introduced, proposed or supported an anti-choice piece of legislation. When asked about these issues, she always refers to how difficult and “personal” these decisions are.
As far as I can tell, she has never sponsored or promoted legislation based on a religious ideal during her 10+ years in office and has upheld the law in opposition to personal religious beliefs more than once.”
Something else, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi are pro-life when it comes to their personal beliefs, just like Palin.
Pro-choice Democrats support Kerry and Pelosi because they have stated they do not legislate their religious beliefs onto the rest of the population. Just like Palin has done.
But Obama, he belongs to a church whose entire mission is to get their religious agenda merged with politics. Even Obama talks about it. Obama sat in church for 20 yrs listening to a preacher tell him all that is wrong with America and how it must be fixed politically. Obama campaigned with actively anti-gay ministers. Obama went out and tried to woo evangelicals. He is the one that seems confused about where the line should be drawn.
I am 100% more frightened of Obama’s potential problem with merging church and state, then I am with McCain/Palin.
Palin has a better so called “progressive” resume then Obama dreams of having, LOL.
Yes, she did smoke marijauna when it was legal. Yes, she did advocate for pro-contraception education in school. Yes she did veto a bill banning benefits for gay partners. Yes she did impose a windfall profits tax on oil companies and turn around and give that money to the people in her state in the form of a rebate. Yes she did suspend the gas tax. Yes she did increase funding for low income weatherization programs. Yes she has done a great deal of outreach into rural native populations, working to increase funding for education.
Here’s a good site for debunking hysterical Palin rumors.
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
The Republican Convention convinced me that I have nothing to fear, as they were very inclusive of women!
Take a good, hard look at the Democrats now, and tell me, with a straight face, that they meet the same standard!
I will boycott networks and Oprah for the rest of my days…although I contributed to her Angel Network on three occassions, because I trusted her.
WTH?!
Now Obama is saying he regrets the abortion answer? He signed the fucking live abortion bill! This guy is a fucking fraud!
What? Link?