Hillary Is Not My Mother
By Ani on September 8, 2008 at 9:45 AM in Bamboozling, Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Corruption, Current Affairs, Daily Kos, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Democrats Against Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, Misogyny, Sarah Palin, Sexism
Judging by both press and internet commentary this past week, we seem to want Hillary to literally assume the mantle of Joan of Arc once again …
Some want her out front and center railing against sexism to defend Sarah Palin:
‘Hillary’s legacy is in jeopardy! She is not living her principles! After what she went through she must speak out against the horrible treatment of this woman.’
Others are determined to see her out on the stump trashing Sarah Palin. The ‘Kossacks’ and their ilk suddenly love Hillary. I guess the ungrateful dopes figured out they need her after all. They called her all manner of filthy slander too disgusting to repeat here, but she is good enough now to clean up after Barack, isn’t she? ‘My diaper’s wet. Change me, Mommy, change me!’
I have tried in vain to figure out why people can’t resist beating on Hillary; even some of her supporters. After the most grueling primary contest in history, with the outcome determined by DNC thuggery, any sensible person could agree that Hillary and her family have been through enough and deserve time to recuperate.
Hillary is a tough cookie; a worker bee who didn’t ask for down time, but the irrational need of the press and many voters to have her be all things to all people indicates that, perhaps unconsciously, we are relating to her as the archetypal Mother. This association can unleash deep and powerful feelings which defy logic. She is, after all, a politician.
The bountiful mother figure … she swells with abundance – she promises fulfillment of need. The Great Mother, however, can frighten as well as sustain …Mother Earth may sustain the crops, but Mother Earth can generate terrible forces – earthquakes, floods and volcanic eruptions. Our primitive psyches enshrine the ecstasy of hunger banished by mother’s breast, but we also harbor dark shadows of her absence, of her inability to make everything better.
Interesting that now Hillary is caught between the opposing cacophonies of:
They’re picking on Sarah – make them stop! Yell at them! You’re big and bad and tougher than any of them, Mommy. Make them stop.
They’re picking on Barack! Stop them! Republicans are calling him an empty suit, an unqualified charlatan and a lying fraud. Help him, Mommy, help him!
What do we all want from Hillary? Blood? How about if our ‘Joan’ is literally burned at the stake for her principles?
Pardon my dust in sharing a little personal history. I watched my own mother be treated badly day in and year out. An eminently capable woman with a vigorous work ethic, if not for her, we would all have been out in the street. She was belittled daily by a sick man for years so he could maintain his base of power in the home. It worked. And we were all encouraged, unsuccessfully, to beat on her too in our way – if she was not perfect. Sound familiar?
We orbited around the abuser and made the best of it. In the name of family, my Mom made a choice to stay in an incredibly difficult situation. I did not second guess her. Witnessing this, however, taught me not to make the same choice in my own life.
Echoing a similar diseased family dynamic, the DNC, the media and the country is now orbiting around the ‘abuser’, Barack, while expecting Hillary to do the washing up after. How many of us have versions of the same story to tell – either at home or in the workplace.
A friend of mine recently said “Hillary has raised the bar for what I will accept from a Presidential candidate.” He’s right. Watching and championing the unflappable, wonderfully prepared, gritty and determined Hillary Clinton was a joy. But being A+ cost her… Watching her be ripped to shreds by little frat boys and colluding girls of the media, while the jealous, corrupt DNC elders rubbed their hands together, grateful allies to this slaughter, was too painful for words.
Hillary is human; an imperfect person in an imperfect world who just happened to be a very knowledgeable, caring policy wonk who liked to roll her sleeves up and get to work. No Grecian temple necessary. No matter how good a politician Hillary became, I never thought she was going to solve all my problems. I am sure my own experiences with misogyny and witnessing the abuse my mother received made me take this election a little more personally, but I never made Hillary my mother. I do not expect her to fix everything.
I worked on her behalf because she was the best option available. Period.
How odd that some women actually refused to vote for Hillary because she did not leave Bill. Isn’t there a saying about living in a glass house and throwing stones? Just my opinion, but often, we may not be comfortable with shining a light on our own shortcomings. We expect admired public figures to step up to the plate in a way we ourselves cannot or do not. We hold them to ridiculous and superhuman standards.
Hillary’s reasons are her own. There is a bigger picture than we can imagine and it may be just as much about love and family as habit or any less generous adjectives you would care to name.
In this current debate, some expect Hillary to stand before the world and decry what angers us, while, with a few exceptions, we issue these complaints from the safety of a blogger’s alias.
Hillary has made a statement that sexism has no place in this contest. That is all that she should do. Sarah Palin herself stated that Hillary ever mentioning sexism was a mistake and as a woman you know they are going to throw the kitchen sink at you and you have to be twice as good and just get on with it. That indicates to me, she is not asking for any help. Palin has her entire Party behind her – much more than Hillary ever had.
Yes the DNC is corrupt and needs to be cleansed. Can we do that right this second? No. Obviously, the phony roll call at the Convention and the events orchestrated by Brazile et al indicate clearly, we do not have the environment to do that now. And if other Democratic bigwigs did not have the balls to stand up to this travesty and left Hillary, all by herself, flapping in the breeze – us asking her to do so yet again in the name of Sarah Palin is an unnecessary political suicide.
Do we want the Dem Party to slit her throat altogether? Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Richardson, Edwards, Dodd, Rockefeller and Co. would like nothing better. That is what we will accomplish by asking her to come to the defense of a Republican VP nominee.
And as to the DNC’s corruption, expecting Clinton to take on the entire Party, the media and the Obama campaign single-handed is as naive as it is unreasonable. Likewise the thought that she could have run as an Independent and abandoned the Party. Sorry. Not doable — much as I would have liked this myself.
Politics is a blood sport, a vile undertaking to say the least. But I, for one, want to see Hillary live to fight another day – whether she runs for President in 2012, becomes Senate Majority Leader or remains a powerful work-horse NY Senator, able to push her agenda through.
Obama and Axelrod have framed their campaign around playing the race card. It is a catch-all designed to stop any criticism dead. The media is terrified of being called racist. Ironic that by the media excusing Senator Obama’s every gaffe and deliberately deciding not to vet him, they are being completely racist.
Unwittingly or not, they are saying that Barack Obama is not capable of winning this election on the issues or on his own. They are acknowledging his lack of accomplishment. He cannot do it fair and square. He could not do it against Hillary and he will not do it against McCain. So the media needs to help by saying “ssshhhh – these are questions we will not ask.” Well here’s a hot flash. Holding Hillary to a higher standard than Barack is sexism, too.
In 2000, the media sold us Bush and trashed Gore. They also sold Bush’s war. Herein lies the best reason not to vote for Barack Obama – the media wants him.
The media made sure Hillary had to be perfect out on the trail. I was terrified she would say the wrong thing – because she had no margin for error. Whereas Barack could just sort of meander on to the stage backwards and ‘be mesmerizing.’ Hillary has done more in one year than Senator Obama has done in his whole fabricated life. Doesn’t matter. Damn it, Hillary, don’t you make a mistake. Not a single one!
Now Hillary is caught between defending Barack and defending Sarah Palin. I personally think Sarah Palin can eat Barack’s lunch. But she’s been on the national stage for a week. She’s had to endure this misogyny for a week. Let her step up to the plate and handle it. For that matter, let Obama go win his own election.
But here’s a word: empathy.
Have people wondered what it would feel like as a public figure to have the right wing gunning for you for 16 years; to create a picture of you as divisive and polarizing in an effort to poison the electorate; and to have to publicly pay for your husband’s personal transgressions on top of that.
Then picture you are running a campaign for 18 months, by far the best, most prepared candidate with the best policies, only to be stabbed in the back daily by the do-nothing loser cowards in your own Party, as well as the media – while the Republicans pretty much stay silent about the unfair treatment you are receiving.
Why wouldn’t they? Republicans knew Hillary would win in a landslide. Who would want to run against her? They were scared.
Now imagine you and your President husband are also unjustly painted as racists, after you have done more for the AA community in a heartbeat than Barack has done his whole life. Can you imagine what would happen if you started speaking out for a Republican woman over Barack in this deadly and irrational atmosphere?
I do not want my Joan of Arc in a pantsuit to be set aflame. I want her back. Enough is enough. Let everybody else fight their own battles. She has exhibited more raw courage than any politician I have ever seen. She led by example and never gave anyone the satisfaction of seeing her defeated.
At the Convention, radiant in her prisoner’s orange, she gave a victory speech and talked about everything she fought for. She will continue the fight. I assure you. She is a smart political animal. I trust that in order to keep a seat at the table to fight for her country in the future, seeing the writing on the wall, she did what she had to do.
In the world of politics, perhaps the concept of ‘mother’ is too tough to erase from the collective psyche, accounting for the ridiculous double standard foisted upon both Senator Clinton and Governor Palin. But if we want to change the landscape of sexism, it is up to us to continue to fight back as well. Speak out, write, call, boycott, protest, show up and most of all – VOTE.
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By Sarah Palin (Release date: November 17. 2009)
Why can’t Hillary just take a long vacation like the Democrats in Congress are doing? She deserves a relaxing time on a beach somewhere, far away from BO.
Yes she does, Portia!
Ani,
Bravo! You stated my sentiments so well. Thanks!
Thank you, Ani, this is a much better post and makes more sense than that tripe (in the words of the poster Jeremiah… who has been defending Hillary) that Matthew Weaver posted twice.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
That would be the ideal thing for Senator Clinton to do. Every time the kitchen got hot BHO went on a vacation–first to the Islands, then to Hawaii and you may as well say the trip abroad to hear all of the foreign press and citizens crying out his name. He may want to ask the people abroad to help him now because it certainly seems like he and Biden are in trouble according to the polls.
I don’t know what Senator Clinton is made of–she just keeps giving and giving only to be trumped on time and again. It must be about Party First because it can’t be about Country First.
I was sickened yesterday to hear how now all of a sudden MSNBC changed the role of Olberman and Matthews because of the belief that they may have presented bias in the political arena. We know a lot of this bias was against Hillary Clinton. Why didn’t they move them before now?
to ANI… why Hillary has to do anything!!! Does anyone do anything for HER???
She should stay away from any controvercial situation. The best for Hillary is to take care of HER self. Obama promise Her a lot of thing, just to have Her help, but He wont do enything(paying off Her dept???) untill election is over!
Hillary did more then She should and if She want to help Obama to win, She will. Defending Sarah is unnecesary now. Yes, but after ellection, not NOW. Wrong idea ANI, wrong!!!. It is ellection time, and any support from Hillary for other side, may back fire and will be use against Hillary if Republicas win.She is bit some mediator here, Hillary has no bussiness to get in the middle of this dirty fight, but to get ready for 2012. Republicans can defend themselfs, and the last thing we need, is to get Hillary into not some ugly attack from both sides.It is not Her fight anymore. Hillary can say something politely as a woman and not politician, but this is ALL.
MUST READ
http://hillaryloyalistnowformccain.com/addmissionoftruth.aspx
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/06/INB312NP3M.DTL
“The [Democratic] party has moved from taking the female vote for granted to outright contempt for women.”
Ani, fantastic post — thank you!!
Ani, I think we were seperated at birth. I made a few of these exact points yesterday on Matthew’s post, only your’s is deeper and more eloquent. Thank you again! Time for you to start your own blog.
Thanks much, fif. Yes, I feel the same way…I always appreciate your insightful comments.
The news hounds are reporting that she will attack Palin in Florida. I hope they are wrong because she doesn’t owe ob anything and will hurt her chances in 12. I love Hillary but nothing she could say would make me vote for ob.
I agree. This is not her fight.
Obama needs to convince the voters that he is POTUS material and will WORK for for all Americans, just just his own self interests…
His record tells me that he works for himself and other questionable people.
The best predictor of what a person will do in the future is to look to their past.
Hillary has stated she will NOT attack Palin. If she says anything, it will be about policy differences and probably directed toward McCain.
Yes, but the only thing people will know is that scroll bar on TV that keeps repeating “Clinton vs. Palin.”
She still is Democratic Party Member and supporter. She fights for all millions Democrat who woted for Her. Stop beying so naive, if She start defending Palin, She will add power to Republicans!!!
On witch side are You. I thought that on Democratic Party. Yes , we are angry at Obama gang and Him, but , why We didnt fight for Hillary so much then as we are fighting now. We are partially resposible for Her loss. We let Obamas people to do what they did, and just writing on Internet blogs is not enough. They maybe read some of Our email, and delete quickly!!!Some of Obamas supporters especjally woman now are tuning to Hillary, why not then???Why Operah have guts to give a such great support for Obama, but none of Hillary did???Why woman from Hollywood and other woman organisations didnt do just that. Writing??? Demonstrations in Denver, we didnt see any of them on TV, as we did anty Republican demonstration!!! We can have thousand woman marching for “Cancer cure”, but not for a such great woman rights defender as is Hillary. Why most of black woman support Obama(and He dont care about them. Over 90% black turn against Hillary, why white woman supported Obama??. This is not racist it is real, very real???
Some woman said: I hate Hillary, but I didnt hear why they hate her, or there was told by Obama movement to do so??? How blind and naive. Obama still attackin woman , this time is Sarah Palin!!!
“She still is Democratic Party Member”
What does this even mean anymore?
This is what the Democratic Party means: It means state and local elections: district attorney elections, mayoral elections, school board and college administrative elections, state house and senate elections, congresional district and senate district elections, and elections for governor, etc., etc.
I am still supporting the Democratic Party, especially those nominations and ballot initiatives that really mean something to me. I am looking carefully at the character of the people I support. I can still say I am a proud Colorado Democrat because I have a chance to vote for some excellent, service minded people. I know the ones who have fallen for the national party crap and will not support them. I know the ones who are probably now worried when they shouldn’t have to be because the national party put such a loser into the election. These are people who should have been able to count on much better direction and action from the national party.
We can change the party from the bottom up.
But we have to decide to work for it and keep our eyes and ears and minds open. No more voting straight ticket just because we want to vote only for president. This is a question I am asking my local and state nominees and party people: What is your stance on holding caucuses? How do you feel about superdelegates voting against their constituency?
As for Hillary helping Obama, I think she should tell him to get Richardson, Edwards, and all the other primary candidates to do the heavy lifting, and especially those superdelegates he bought. She owes him nothing. She just needs to push her ideas, and not push Obama.
Then after the election when O has lost big time, we need to question state and local Dems about how they feel about changing national party leadership. Make it a point about how their answers affect our willingness to continue our support–in money, effort, and votes.
Well said. The political parties are much more than the few visible ones at the top.
Diana L. C.: You are dead on! Thanks for
your brilliant insight.
I beg to differ — there were literally millions of us out here fighting very hard for Hillary for months during the campaign. We did not just blog on the internet.
We made millions of GOTV phone calls, canvassed, donated, called the DNC constantly along with party leaders to demand they practice fairness — we constantly contacted the media, wrote letters, protested her biased treatment at TV networks, out on the street, talked to friends and neighbors, wrote letters to the editor at newspapers around the country and on and on…
Anyone who does not realize that the fix was in with MI & FL along with caucus frauds etc. is kidding themselves. And the media was an all too eager helpmate to this travesty.
When you have the MSM along with the party leadership against you and the Obama campaign outspending you 3-1 — in the end something’s gotta give — but she still took the popular vote. She still won all the big states save his home state. She still won the battleground states. The DNC did not want her and they arranged the outcome they did want.
It is our great loss.
Please trust that we were not just “talking to ourselves” — that is what makes this entire situation even more painful.
For now, Hillary has tide hands, and She must stay away from taking Republaka Sarah side. Geraldina can do all She can to defend Sarah Palin, but not Hillary, not now , not yet…
Why are people so worried? One, any words from the “Press” about Hillary should be taken as half-truths at best. When Hillary has spoken, you can criticize her words. Why second-guess her this way and that? She’s not going to take your advice anyway.
Two, Palin is a politician, so she can take care of herself. Why do people think she needs to be protected like a porcelain doll? The pitbull has got Republicans (professional mudslingers = the original misogynists against Hillary) around her to help her get down and dirty with BO and his amateurs.
I’ll just sit back and watch for the next 2 months. Palin is not the savior any more than BO.
Exactly. As a matter of fact, seeing as the Obama supporters think she’s such an old hag, I’d say she deserves to vacation until, oh, November 4. Or she deserves to spend her time with friends and supporters who are running for congressional seats. I mean, those Obama folks apparently think a 61 year old woman has one and a half feet already in the grave. Let he spend her last bit of “good time” with people she loves….right?
All I ask/hope from the Clintons is that they don’t allow Obama/Axelrod/Dean/Brazille/MSM to force them to campaign for Obama. It’s a huge amount of pressure they are under and basically political blackmail they are facing.
We have a powerfull Woman org. Were are they???
Without a cell Phone.
Thanks for this post, truly. After two disappointing posts on “where’s clinton”, thanks for just telling it like it is:
HRC is not my mommy, and she is not responsible for cleaning up this mess on Obama. Why should she defend him, or speak out against Palin. That’s what biden is for.
HRC has credibility that Obama will NEVER have.
I agree. Time for Hil to take a break (and Bill too) and let Obamalamadingdong stew in his own self-made slurry of nastiness.
No one looks “radiant in prison orange.” I would not vote for a criminal or his dishrag. I understood Hillary’s privacy and respected her working out her own marital problems with Bill Clinton. I cannot respect her doing Obama’s bidding and asking us to pay off her debt.
If Hillary is “campaigning against McCain” while Obama works behind the scene to destroy the candidacy of yet another woman, I lose respect for her. Obama’s had chances to pay off her debt, offer her the VP spot (I still wouldn’t vote for that ticket) and really none of this matters after the scorched earth campaign he ran. The Republicans figured out identity politics is the achilles heel of the Democratic party, and McCain ran an honorable campaign, taking advantage of that and elevating women’s rights as an issue. Game, set, match.
Hillary should butt out of this. She’s not doing any favors to women by trading on her gender and doing the heavy lifting for Obama, hard-selling women on the lie of Democratic support. That support should have come months ago, not weeks before election day. No one is holding a gun to her head now. She should stop.
You have no idea who is holding a gun to her head. If you think this is over, you are sadly mistaken.
I don’t think any of us has any idea what is going on behind the scenes and it is very unfair to make this kind of decree from where we sit.
Excellent!
I assure you that the Democratic Party will minimize Hilary’s
power NO MATTER WHAT SHE DOES. She has no base of power in the Senate because of the fools that control it. I’ve felt for a long time that the DP was old, decrepit, and ridiculous. As so often happens they have now become corrupt, corrupt in the heart and soul. What can be done?
Anything?
Paul
BTW, great post, Ani! (as usual)
“At the Convention, radiant in her prisoner’s orange, she gave a victory speech and talked about everything she fought for. She will continue the fight. I assure you. She is a smart political animal. I trust that in order to keep a seat at the table to fight for her country in the future, seeing the writing on the wall, she did what she had to do.”
How will the average American see Senator Clinton in four years? Not us, the people who refuse to support Senator Obama. The average Democrat who is going to wake up in a couple of months and see what the DNC leadership has done. Are those people going to see Senator Clinton is a good light or as a willing participant in going along with the DNC, someone who didn’t have the leadership courage to stand up to the DNC?
I think by not denouncing the DNC leadership, Senator Clinton is taking a risk. She may find in 2012 that her base of 18 million has disappeared.
In 2000 McCain was hammered by Rove/Bush and could have rightfully denounced his own party for what happened to him. The fix was in for Bush then. Hillary has suffered the same from her own party. And now look at McCain he is on top of his ticket and has a decent shot at winning the presidency.
FYI, I don’t think McCain went out and campaigned for Bush. Will Clinton campaign for Obama?
You got that right Matthews–there is a hell of a difference. I believe it’s called “go along to get along” and “politics as usual” . Seems to me that neither Obama nor Hillary are out to change anything except the democratic party.
FYI you are not doing too well today.
Matthew I thought you were Monet I was replying to thus my comment should have simply been:
FYI
Sorry about that!
Thank you for posting this info. I was just about to track it down myself. You saved me the trouble.
For the record: Anyone who puts FYI and “I don’t think” in the same sentence is already proving he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
The whole purpose of posting INFORMATION is that it’s supposed to backed up by evidence.
But Matthew still refuses to learn even as people patiently try to teach him.
Stay tuned for “Where’s Hillary?” part 3. He’s determined to bring her down.
yea. Who is this guy who claims to be a Hillary supporter? We’ve had quite enough HRC bashing for one year from our many opponents. You are really poking an already angry hornet’s nest. Keep it up, and there will be a backlash . Why is Matthew suddenly an authority on HRC’s behavior? Enough!
Please don’t judge Hillary if she continues to be out campaigning. Keep in mind that she is still campaigning for herself. That Berg vs. Obama and the DNC is going forward. What if she has to step in as nominee on short notice. She has bene out there visible. What if polls got really bad? McCain 70%, Obama 28%. Maybe he would get dumped. If I were Hillary, I’d still get out there, too. Campaigning for myself on the sly! Think about it!
She already has you idiot. What do you think her convention speech was? And before that she was on the campaign trail with him and she raised funds for him. Get off it now.
You don’t huh? I guess that’s because you’re a wing nut with selective amnesia:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=596048n
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“I endorse Governor Bush, I endorse Governor Bush, I endorse Governor Bush,” McCain replied when reporters asked if he had difficulty using the “endorse” word.
“By the way, I enthusiastically accept,” Bush interjected.
With broad grins, both Bush and McCain described their face-to-face session to reporters as a “good meeting” and strove to down play their differences on issues such as campaign finance reform and tax cuts.
“We are in agreement on more issues than we are in disagreement,” said McCain, citing common ground on reforming education, Social Security, and the military. “I look forward to enthusiastically campaigning for Gov. Bush over the next six months.”
Yes, McCain did campaign for Bush in 2000 -
and in 2004 he broke a lot of hearts by putting his arms around Bush in public — how could you forget?
Yet here he is — the Repub. nominee now, with an eleven point convention bounce.
This would not have been possible without dumb luck and the support of his party as the nominee, and he still may not be able to distance himself from Bush enough to win this election. Ask Al Gore how easy it is to win following a weak incumbent. Ask Ted Kennedy how easy it is to challenge a weak incumbent and win. Obama is poison for the Dems and should be kept as far away from the politicians who worry about their careers, as well as the White House.
Did you just call Bill Clinton weak? Looks like Matthew isn’t the only stealth troll we have here. Nice try, “Hope” Floats. Stop trying to sabotage Hillary.
Mathew Weaver, you just want to divide us PUMAs. It’s not going to work.
FYI, Matthew, when do you thing the picture of the “hug” was taken? John McCain most certainly campaigned for Bush.
Unfortunately, “Playing the Political Game” is one of the darker sides of our system. I, too, would like to see both Clintons say exactly how they feel about what has happened. However, they cannot do that without damaging themselves - everyone has not followed this travesty like this group has. It would look like sour grapes to many, and the Clintons would be blamed when BO loses. Thus the game.
President Clinton told ABC’s Kate Snow that he would have a lot to say about the primary in January. That says to me 1) he does not think BO will win - otherwise he would have to continue to hold his fire in January. 2) He is still mad as hell, but knows the consequences of not toing the line……and playing the game of unity - even if it IS fake unity.
Thankfully Hillary has made it clear she draws the line on playing the attack dog on Sarah Palin.
Those Obama campaign idiot managers would have Hillary using the same tactics against Palin that the Obama people used against her if they could. I can’t wait to read Bill’s book on all of this. Another best seller!! And many more $Millions!
well the mccain campaign sees it and that is why their slogan says country first. i saw bill clinton was having a big meeting with barky and i wondered why in the hell would these bright people actually come out to support this fool. enough is enough. say a few kind words then get the hell out of the way. come back after the dnc has this butt kicked.
AMEN….no huge public denunciation of her own party is necessary. But she really does harm her own image if she and Bill go all out to help Obama. Especially after what Obama’s supporters have tried to do for the last week.
do you people not remember that she promised to campaign for the nominee? If she aborts they will hold it against her–she is keeping her word while remaining as neutralas possible. As Ani said, you are very politically naive.
Hillary shouldn’t be held to promises she made before McCain’s VP was announced. It will hurt her credibility, if she is connected to any sexism leveled at Sarah Palin. She should speak out against sexism, if she is on the road with Obama’s campaign. But the dirtier the attacks get and the more voters identify her with Obama, the more it hurts her.
Hillary promised to “campaign” for the nominee, but her schedule will mostly allow her to campaign for down ticket Dems.
Hillary knows what she’s doing, and we should trust her instincts.
Trixta, you are so right. Hillary and Bill are nobody’s fool!
Hope Floats, do you make promises you do not keep? I always thought that was a sign of someone not to be trusted.
It’s fitting your name is Monet. You want the world to be as you see it: flawless in its misty haze.
The real world is illusory and often painful.
Hillary would gain nothing if she did this, not even your support. As sure as you breathe, you’d find something else to pick her apart about.
She’s my senator and she still has a job to do. I want her to do it. Not be some sacrificial lamb for a high-handed idealism that will not bear fruit.
I want to win the war. And sometimes you have to retreat and lose a battle to do that.
I certainly wouldn’t encourage Hillary to take the advice of anyone who doesn’t know this. It would not speak well of her leadership ability.
“I think by not denouncing the DNC leadership, Senator Clinton is taking a risk. She may find in 2012 that her base of 18 million has disappeared.”
UNFORTUNATELY, I AGREE.
Am reminded of the “battered wife syndrome”. When I saw her hugging and grinning at Obama and asking her supporters to vote for Obama I lost all respect for her, and regretted the financial donations I made, the signs, t-shirts and Hillary buttons I purchased and calls I made on her behalf. I feel totally betrayed.
I understand your feelings but I don’t think her 18 million will not disappear — not if they were genuinely supporting what this lady stand for in the first place.
You do have to live to fight another day. It is shortsighted to think this process works any other way.
Remember McCain in 2000, how about 2004 — he’s the nominee now, after having to do a lot of this party unity crap — am I happy about it. No. Neither was he.
Neither is Hillary. She is still a dyed in the wool Truman Democrat and I’m sure she thinks she can still influence the process more from within the party than in exile.
One of the best Hillary pieces that I have read on the “net”. I have followed her career for 25+ years and she is a good, imperfect person who really does want to make life better for people. Bill is brilliant and erratic; Hillary is very smart and organized..She will be the President that this country will need to pick up the pieces of the American economy in 2012.
It infuriates me that Bill and Hillary are campaigning for Obama - WHILE the media is still referencing the “Clintons are racists” meme that Obama’s campaign and bots perpetuated.
Just prior to the Dem convention, Bill said “I am not a racist.”
Obama’s response? chirp, chirp
iow - Obama is willing to allow that FALSE narrative to continue into the history books!
Headline: RACISTS CAMPAIGNING FOR OBAMA
Obamacrats are HYPOCRITS of the worse kind.
Hillary and her supporters have been used and abused beyond the pale.
Most of us will NOT return to the ABUSERS!!
New troll tactic: divert us from Barky’s major flaws to a policy debate such as what would have been between McCain and Hillary. Sorry trolls this is McCain vs Barky and his baggage is going to come tumbling down your granite heads now. America won’t elect the friend of America haters, terrorists and criminals.
They’re coming here pretending to love Hillary, claiming they’ve always supported her, then trying to potray her in a way that no Hillary supporter would ever try to potray her. Trying to pick arguments with people who’ve posted her a long time. New people that sincerly venture out to post.
This was a great article! Hillary has done all she can, it’s time to stop the madness. She said she will not be an attack dog for Obama. She said she would campaign for Obama and has done so. She’s going to campaign for him two more times then get back to her duties as a senator. Help other’s. It’s not her job to carry Obama to the White House, if he’s incapable of doing so for himself he needs to step down.
Diana, great comment and completely on target.
Some people just do not get it, if Hillary goes as suggested by some on a 2 month vacation, she achieves nothing.
Hillary out campaigning for down ticket Democrats, she exudes her power as a politician, a Democrat and most importantly as a future POTUS.
You mean those same down ticket democrats who sold her down the river for 2 pieces of silver? The only way to insure that in 2012 that the DNC doesn’t pull this crap again is by voting against all Dems to let them know what we unequivocably feel about rigged nominations. Then in 2010 IF the Republicans don’t get their act together and IF the Dems do then we vote en masse for Dems. The only way to approach this is to vote for a party then when they don’t meet our expectations to vote that party out. Right now the Democrats are not meeting my expectations at all. From rigging elections, rolling over and playing dead in Congress to blatant mysogeny and racism I am absolutely thrilled about the Democrats this year. So much so that I am not voting for a single, fucking one even the ones I like and respect.
I live in Michiganistan, after watching this HOAX run by the DNC this year with their FIXED outcome I am voting Straight Republican. I like Carl Levin but I will vote against him this year. He could have stood up against this but instead he was one of the co-signers of this crap. When the DEMS are purged of people like Dean, Brazile, Pelosi and Obama this Party can make a comeback. They have to quit taking money from Soros and his crowd, thet CONTROL this Party. They have a Internationalist agenda, America is a after thought to them.
Hank.
Rahm Emanuel for Howard Dean’s DNC Chair.
Howard Wolfson for Donna Brazile’s DNC seat.
Cindy Sheehan for Nancy Pelosi’s Congressional seat.
Steny Hoyer for Nancy Pelosi’s Speakership.
sounds good to me!
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
Let’s not forget that Rahm Emannuel is from Illinois and pro Obama from beginning to end. I say no to Rahm. Throw him under the bus with Brazile Dean and the rest of character assassins.
Will, I think you are great and everything but…Rahm Emanuel IS the wizard behind the torn rayon curtain. He keeps out of the limelight yet he yanks the strings. He was an early friend and backer of Obarf before that 2004 speech.
Rahm Emanuel must be defeated in Chicago. This guy is a wicked, little gnome. Do your due diligence. Check him out. Odious. He’s even the “brains” behind Pelosi. He is the nasty, venal, sexist puppetmaster behind the scenes.
Wow, guys. I thought Emanuel was for Hillary… up until June 3rd, that is.
I guess I’d better rethink this one.
Who do you guys propose to be the next chair of the DNC?
Ps:
A primary reason I’ve been suggesting him is that it had been Dean vs Emanuel for quite awhile, at least in terms of DNC strategies.
Decided I don’t much care for Emanuel either — struck me as weasel-y.
Someone else suggested Harold Ford but I don’t know enough about him to comment in terms of his effectiveness in the position. This may sound completely bizarre and he’d probably never do it, but Wes Clark (need somebody like that with some integrity who backed HRC — at least he had plenty before he came out lately to support the unity pony).
We need somebody in the Clinton Wing, not the Pelosi loony wing — don’t know who that would be.
Orange is the ribbon color of Puma Pac and Own Your Vote. Orange was the color claimed by PUMA before the DNC convention. That is why Hillary wore orange. McCain wore an orange tie on WED and a gold-orange tie on Thursday of his convention. Coincidence? I don’t think so. I am surprised no one else got the PUMA significance of HRC’s suit color.
I got it and I love it!
I wasn’t aware of the significance of the color at the time either. My husband asked at the time why she wore that color as well. It was such a statement.
It might have been you that posted the information on one of the open convention threads. Which I greatly appreciate, as well as Ani discussing it again.
PUMAs color, Orange Revolution and, prisoner orange.
That color says a mouthful.
Great post Ani.
In my opinion the orange suit was indeed representative of prison garb. Wonder if she has been threatened?
In any case this may warm her heart.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Todays drudge Report
Obama’s verbal slip fuels his critics: ‘My Muslim faith’…
Says he considered joining military after high school…
Says could delay rescinding tax cuts…
Says was too flip on abortion question…
Ode to Mo, Bo and stumbling Jo*
Flip flopping away, flip flopping away….the nearer the destination the more you are slip sliding away.
* forget who posted that name but thanks to you anyhow, hope you don’t mind the borrow.
Maybe he subconsciously wants out of this race?
He doesn’t need to be secret. He could drop out any time he wanted to and make up an excuse.
I say she goes to Hawaii with Bill for a couple of weeks.
Then we she gets back she campaigns for other Senators.
That’s it. Obama needs to stand on his own two feet or on top of Biden shoulders!!!!!
Leave Hillary alone!!!
Biden? Who is that? Not much talk about him lately.
Oh but there was, yesterday he admitted he voted against public financing for abortions. He has always voted against partial birth abortions, and he said he believes life begins at conception. So why again are all these groups going after McCain and Palin? Neither of them have tried to establish laws that would take away a woman’s choice. Just what they believe. No different than Biden. Tad bit of hypocrisy going on there, eh?
If Hillary complies and does the dirty work for the DNC she will lose all respect and credibility–especially with us “white trash” (thanks Erica Jong) The Republicans rose to the defense of Sarah, the Dems did not lift a finger for Hillary. She should denounce the party elite , otherwise she is just like them.
One question chandler: Did Palin and Republicans stand up for Hillary?
No! They didn’t!
Try to see the big picture, why don’t you?
Actually, some Republicans did stand up for HRC during the primaries — Joe Scorborough, Pat Buchanan, Juan Williams, McCain, and Lou Dobbs (independant). But those who bash HRC now are missing the bigger picture, as you say.
Who REALLY needs the Democratic party? After 40 years of sending money to and campaiging and voting for Democrats whose only excuse on The Morning After was, “We wuz robbed by dem Republicans!”, I refuse to support, endorse or vote for a political party with a bad case of THE WILL TO FAIL.
It’s SO much more satisfying to be a Victim, isn’t it? Exept that, you’re only a Victim once. After that, you’re a Volunteer.
I had forgotten that several decades ago, I was taught never to volunteer…
Play Billy Joel’s, “Angry Young Man,” now, and pay attention to the lyrics.
I think you summed it up nicely. They betrayed us and didn’t even have the nerve to do it in front of our faces. They stabbed us from behind.
They couldn’t convince me in a million years they never heard us being called racist and bigots. Etc. The things that were being said about Hillary. Not only did they not address it, including feminist groups. They pretended like they knew nothing about it. Only one feminist group eventually addressed it and it wasn’t till the convention that they did. Enough.
Yes, I voted for Reagan because although I loved Carter, I didn’t think he should have ever been a president. However, I still voted Democrat the rest the way down the ticket. I never voted for Bush’s father either because I didn’t think he should have been a president. No, I had no intention of voting for Obama from the minute I began looking at his voting record, etc. However, once again if Hillary had not been the nominee, and although I would have voted for someone other than Obama. I still would have voted the rest of the ticket Democrats. Now I will not, nor will I ever do so blindly again for any candidate. For either party.
well said…
No woman is required to build the world by destroying herself.
Rabbi Sofer
Beautiful.
Great post - says it all- second guessing our heroine, Hillary, would only be self-sabotage.
On a diff topic, pasting this post from a previous theread - has important International News which is being buried by MSM:
Comment by anonymous | 2008-09-07 23:38:17
The media preoccupation with Palin is a DIVERSION. Here is what is going on behind the scenes of the MSM endless regurgitation of ‘up-to-the-minute storm reports, interspersed with Palin gossip: As if there is nothing else going on in the world!
———-
As referred to in Part 3 “Connect the Dots” in the “Obama ODM Candidate for President” article (which can be found - with document/video links - at logisticsmonster blog) here’s today’s news (courtesy of Fox low key banner notes only);
Recap from article in brief: obama has been acting like he already has Presidential authority which is outrageous. Sent Gov Richardson discreetly few months back to Venezuela to meet with Chavez - only report of this in Caribbean (not US) press. Then shortly thereafter Chavez went to Cuba to meet with Castro. What a coincidence!
Not long after Cuba announced it is planning oil deal in the sea just off the FLA. Coast.
Month later goodie-goodie (lol) Chavez pressed New Hampshire to accept his generous offer of free fuel for heat this winter. NH was the last Eastern state left that hadn’t already capitulated to Chavez suspicious hand out.
As of today, September 7, Chavez has announced he is making some similar deal himself with Russia off the coast of Venezuela. Just to be sure we got the point he threw in one of his demeaning anti-American insults. Notice these wheels have been in motion - spurred on by obama - since May of this year.
Also today Cuba demanded that US lift the embargo on Cuba. Another well timed coincidence
Hmmmm…. so we’ve got China coming in off the coast of FLA……Russia coming in off the coast of Venezuela..and Chavez blackmailing the US East Coast with free fuel….. while Cuba demands end to US embargo.
Let’s be clear - we have absolute IDIOTS running our government. . . and obama going behind our officials backs, playing connect the dots - on his own and through his ‘emmissaries’ across the international terrorism network right under everyone’s noses and no one even seeming to notice!
Americans had better WAKE UP before we are taken over from our borders offshore- and inland on Mexican border where the drug thug circuit has pretty much free reign and last we heard GW was removing the Nat’l Guard there.
Not sure what role obama plays there- except for his original foot-in-mouth that we don’t really need Mex border security that much (like Iran and North Korea are tiny countries and all).
We MUSTelect McCaine and defeat obama and pay attention to this underbelly of obama’s connect the dots anti-American activities while we still have a democracy!
NQ readers - Share this info to help others be aware. These are not trivial matters.
Great post. Offers good insight.
Thanks!
HYSTERICAL!
….from CNN….2 mins ago
“Rollins: Obama should have picked Hillary ”
….can we get a NO SH!T!
Backtrack Barry’s ego just wouldn’t allow it…that and his angry militant MEchelle.
his hateful wife is wearing the pants in that family, I have no doubts about that.
As for myself, and I believe many others will agree, I am glad Barry did not pick Hillary as his running mate. I would still not vote for him. I refuse to reward the bad behavior by the DNC, Pelosi, vote for their “selectee”.
Hillary should not align herself anymore with this loser. Please, take a step back Hillary. As one commentator mentioned …”being a loyal member of the Democratic Party…what does that mean anymore?”
THE DNC got it wrong, so McCain it will be. Country before Party. ALWAYS. Hillary in 2012!
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Todays drudge Report
Obama’s verbal slip fuels his critics: ‘My Muslim faith’…
Says he considered joining military after high school…”
Obama signed up with Selective Service and considered joining the military after after his senior year in HI. One small problem….Selective Service had been suspended by Pres Ford and wasn’t reinstated until a years after Obama graduated. He was in college in California when registration was reinstated.
The scary thing is, Obama may actually believe the stuff that he confabulates. At least Bush knows that he is lying.
I think that was a deliberate statement made by Obama to try to squash all the questions about him not being eligible for Potus. Alot of people want to see proof of his citizenship, COLB, passports and selective service registration. I was wondering when he made that statement, was he, in fact required at that time to register. This also would be something that the GOP should look into and use it against him, if turns out to be another LIE.
But now he opened the question that he DID NOT enlist. He brought it back up.
Obama graduated in 1979, The draft was reinstated in 1980.
On Jan. 27, 1973, Secretary of Defense Melvin R. Laird (1922– ) announced that the use of the military draft had ended. An all-volunteer armed forces has taken the place of the draft. In July 1980 the system of registration—but not compulsory military service—was reinstituted for 18-year-old men.
http://www.history.com/encyclopedia.do?vendorId=FWNE.fw..se077000.a#FWNE.fw..se077000.a
Oblahblah keeps stumbling over those pesky facts. He is one clumsy piece of plastic.
Yes, Backrack Barry built himself a made up world, so he is quite used to lying. I don’t think he REALLY believes his lie, until he convinces himself of it for convenience and repeating the lie so many times.
He tells himself it’s ok, to make everything up, becuase it will get him wear he wants to be.
That’s also why he look shaken up when you points out he didn’t vote on the Iraq War Resolution, because he wasn’t even there. He looks like someone just revealed something he’s been trying to hide. That’s why he has crafted his message to make it sound like he voted against the war, it’s not true, but he has pretended it, because that is all he has.
I think this may be a case of missing the forest for the trees. People want to look at Hillary’s destiny as simply the first woman President and being cheated out it. Perhaps her real purpose was to bring out sexism in society as well as empowerment to women and bring to the forefront the next generation who seems to have no moral compass or sense of right and wrong. Just another way to look at this and a noble cause as well. We don’t know what the future holds.
Hillary and Bill have earned a well deserved break and I don’t recall Sarah Palin asking or needing Hillary to get her back…I think she is doing just fine on her own. Unlike Hillary who was surrounded by a bunch of backstabbers, Sarah has wagons surrounding her.
I agree…and please, hardcore Hillary supporters, don’t get mad when I say…I now believe Hillary’s role was to open the door for the future President Palin.
(Don’t get me wrong, I’m supporting Hillary if she runs in 2012, but she may choose not to.)
Nope. It will be President Hillary Clinton before a “President” Palin, if ever.
HILLARY ‘12!!!
HILLARY OVER MCCAIN/PALIN IN 2012!!!
Barry Soetoro is cornered. Look for some drama to be in the wings (left one).
One Scenario:
Phony assassination attempt. Remember this is amateur hour so it may go like this.
1) Fire cracker goes off.
2) Barry grabs his shoulder, thereby breaking the vial of pigs blood.
3) The would be assassin escapes, leaving behind:
A) a Bible
B) white supremest information.
C) either a I love Hillary or I love Sarah letter, sealed with a lipstick kiss.
omg….LOL
Yes Barky loves theater, but I believe his true road to the White House leads through thousands of hacked voting machines this year.
Not through me. I will be voting by mail this year, and I’ve encouraged everyone I know to do the same.
Fun-nee! Only problem is that Obama would demand a stunt double.
Fun-nee! Only problem is that Obama would demand a stunt double.
Ani, a great analysis of the Hillary saga. I too want her back. But I’ve accepted (since Hillary was defeated) that Hillary is first and foremost a Democrat Politician and I’m done with the Democrats. She does not represent me anymore. Sarah Palin represents the average American woman, and since the Democrat leadership will not allow a woman on the ticket, I’m saying goodbye to Hillary and the Democrats. Maybe some day I’ll go back.
YAY DonnaM
“when Hillary was defeated”
If you were a true supporter, and have been paying attention, you’d know she was not “defeated”.
I call TROLL.
I second that!
THIRD THAT!
HILLARY ‘12, TO YOU TROLL!!! SHE’S SO GONNA KICK MCCAIN AND PALIN’S ASSES COME 2012!
Forth. I got the “foremost a Democrat Politician” and “since the Democrat leadership”. How many Democrats would use that wording? Sounds like GWB is posting on noquarter.
Sarah Palin does not represent the average American woman in that first and foremost the “average” American woman believes in the right to “choose” her destiny.
She does represent the average American woman in the way that she is so effective at juggling the many hats she wears. I admire her for that just as I have and still admire Hillary Clinton for her effectiveness at same.
I am voting for McCain/Palin because I am against Barry for President. When and if Palin were to be at the top of a GOP ticket I would seriously rethink my support. We do not know enough about her own views on many of the topics. I look forward to the information getting out.
Hillary in 2012. All The Way!!!
<strong>GOOD BYE, DONNA M. Please take the other moles on this site with you.
I know the Hillary topic is news but I am hoping we can get off her back already and give her a break. I have the feeling the trolls are using her to attempt to divide her former supporters who now support McCain. Of course this will not work but it is an irritant.
I agree. The trolls tried everything else to no avail. Now they’ve morphed from Anchovy trolls to Alligator Tears trolls. I am not fooled for a minute. HRC is a smart politician and is doing what she needs to do for 2012 just as McCain did what he need to do to get where he is currently. Ultimately she is damned is she does and damned if she doesn’t.
I share in agreement with your opinion this “Where is Hillary?” tactic is an attempt by trolls to divide us.
Hillary does represent me and always will.
But the media seems to clean up after Obama
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/what-obama-really-meant-worm-media-translates-for-us/
Ani, that was just fantastic. Sarah is a gun-toting, wolf-shooting, moose eater and Barack is a slimy criminal and election stealer. I think they can take care of themselves.
Let’s not forget that Hillary also has to brace herself to take the blame for Obama’s crushing defeat in November.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrMS6MBuSg
YEP, it’s all the damned Clintons fault that Obama is so confused he thinks he’s a Muslim. Kept him up late in the primaries and made him spend all his oil money defending himself against that mean old woman Hillary Clinton and her race baiting husband. WOW.
I don’t agree Perry. The voters won’t blame her because the majority supported her to begin with. Everyone in the congress and the superdelegates will know exactly where to place the blame;Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Brazil, Kerry et al.
Ani
Great post-very moving too!
I have not been able to understand the thinking of HRC supporters calling for her to ’step in’ and defend
Sarah Palin.
It’s not Hillary’s place.
Not to mention-Palin seems to be doing a fine job of defending herself, with the help of her party.
Wake up Dems!
McCain/Palin 08
HRC 2012
cat they are not the real Hillary supporters.
Oprah’s a Racist?
http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/09/08/oprah-winfrey-says-no-to-palin-oprahs-racist-comments/
starting around the 3 min mark
Here’s a good take on Oprah by Andrea Tantaros:
Read the full article at: Oprah’s Mind: Closed for Business? at Fox News.
Remember that Ellen DeGeneres had both Hillary and Obama on her show and Ellen is a Hillary supporter.
Right now, “fist bump” Michelle is on Ellen. I was just channel surfing and there she was.
I’ve been boycotting Oprah ever since she acted like a carnival barker for Obama. I’m a ‘white folk’
who is no longer a fan. She is old news and has made her billions. It’s time for her to walk away.
Sick of her pandering to well off white women.
I always felt she was out of touch when I would read her mag and see the must have lists of clothing or other consumer goods.
Sorry, most Americans can not afford to fill their closets with such expensive clothing. The materialistic side of her magazine just completely negated anything positive there.
I don’t see Oprah’s comments as racist. I see them as her saying that positive change is possible. We do not need to become Clyburn to defeat Clyburn.
Isn’t it ironic that BO is on his knees begging for Hillary’s help when the reason for his downfall is his arrogance in thinking he didn’t need Hillary in the first place.
BO’s campaign began to implode when he chose Biden for VP – it was a choice made from a position of weakness, he chose his teacher to help him lead.
McCain chose Palin from a position of strength – he chose a student to teach.
If BO had chosen HRC, it would have sent the message loud and clear to her supporters that he respected them and honored their voices. Instead, by not even vetting Hillary, Obama showed arrogance. Weakness + arrogance = bad leader
When McCain chose Palin, it was a clear message to HRC supporters that he – McCain – respected them and honored their voices. Strength + humility = great leader.
The contrast between these two picks speaks volumes about their readiness to lead. McCain is ahead because he is acting like a president. Palin popped the balloon that was BO’s presidential campaign and it is now whizzing out of control.
If McCain wanted to, he could finish BO off, by “vetting” Obama. But I suspect that as long as McCain thinks he can win without doing that, he will show the strength of restraint. Course, I’d like nothing better for the truth to come out.
As for Hillary, she has to get out on the stump and campaign on the issues for Obama or she will become irrelevant. I trust her do to so with integrity and grace. I also suspect it will do little to help Obama because the contrast between Hillary and Obama in terms of their capabilities and readiness to lead will serve as a reminder of what a mess the DNC made of this election and what a great president Hillary would have made.
“Palin popped the balloon that was BO’s presidential campaign and it is now whizzing out of control.”
Great quote! And I might add
“making loud farting sounds as it goes”
Many of you seem to forget that Hillary is a Democrat, a progressive and a liberal. If she left the Democratic Party, where would she go? There is no place for her in the Republican party. She and Palin share a gender and nothing else. Anyone who shares Hillary’s values and votes for McCain/Palin is a fool, and supporting Plain only because she is a woman is as misguided as voting for or against Obama only because he’s black. I supported Hillary, and will support her in the future if she runs for President again, but I have no intention of living through another four-to-eight years of rule by the party of George Bush. So I will be holding my nose and crossing my fingers when I pull the lever for Obama/Biden in November, knowing at least that I’m not voting for an irascible war-monger and a dizzy Bible-thumper straight out of some South Park episode. We need to vote issues and not personalities, no matter what this stealth Republican site tells you otherwise.
You dont know what you’re talking about. You’re blinded by your infatuation with Obama. Obama is just like the Republicans and Dubya. He’s totally corrupt. Why should anyone with with Democratic values vote for a crook, a man who will literally do anything to get the WH? If Obama wins, or manages to steal the WH, this country will no longer be a democracy. Too bad the Obamabots didn’t think about that during the primary season. There are worse things than a moderate Republican, things like a corrupt communist cabal taking over Washington.
Obama and the people controlling him are fascist!
The Corporation takes over the State. Why do you think Soros(billions made from manipulating currencies)and Buffet and Pickens support the vicious,sexist amoral, empty fraud who’s Obarf?
It isn’t about democracy, It’s about gigantic profits, social control(Barry’s Civilian National Security Force, anyone? Think Gestapo.) more wars and the utter privatization of what belongs to ALL of the American people. Barry scares the hell out of me.
PUMA
Hillary Now or 2012
No you will be voting for a socialist and spend 4 years regretting it.
judging by reading the post, I think he’ll vote for a marxist and be quite happy about it, actually
If people vote for a socialist or a Marxist candidate, at least they’ll know how the candidate sees the issues. How can you tell with Obama?
Further, when asked about the ideas and plans that were proposed by a number of people who claimed they were Marxists, Karl Marx said, “If this is Marxism, I am not a Marxist!”
Listen up, Goober. Oblahblah is unfit and unqualified to be POTUS. That is the beginning and end of it. I’d rather have a “war-monger” and a “dizzy bible thumper” over a self-absorbed, ignorant, arrogant plastic-elastic candidate any day.
Oh, and by the way, your candidate is all for faith-based groups being supported by the federal government. I guess that makes him a bible…er, um…Koran thumper, huh?
Now go crawl back into that crying room from whence you came.
What are those values you value more? Integrity, honor, love of country, love of fellow man, accountability, transparency of government, the bill of rights, freedom to fail or succeed on your own? Or do you love big government, lying, corruption, cronyism, sexism, racism, unethical behavior, government for sale to the highest bidder, corporate kickbacks, pork, earmarks, terrorist allies, flip flopping, etc. It is up to you to vote your conscience but really don’t say that because I have a lot in common with Hillary on policy and issues positions that I automatically have a lot in common with Barack Obama. Obama is not a carbon copy of Hillary. In fact, he shares very little of my overall ideology. The only thing we supposedly share is that I have some socialistic leanings. Otherwise, I pretty much follow the American template in my belief system. I am not going to reward dishonesty and corruption and they don’t come any more dishonest or corrupt than Barry Obama.
I completely agree!
The DNC first stole the votes from MI and FL.
At the roll call…they stole votes from every state in the union.
Either way, I will not support the subversion of democracy for an installed candidate.
Even if I believed he stood up for my values….which we know he doesn’t.
shut up dumbass…we aren’t voting for Palin because she is a woman…you’re a moron.
“Many of you seem to forget that Hillary is a Democrat, a progressive and a liberal.”
Yes, of course she is. But you know what? She’s NOT ON THE TICKET. Obama is, and I have no confidence that he is the progressive and liberal Hillary is.
Do you have any idea what Obama intends to do once he’s in the White House? I don’t, because he’s flip-flopped on every progressive position, voted a dangerously non-liberal position on FISA, and behaved in a hateful way toward his strongest liberal constituency: women. But I’m pretty sure that at least some of his time in the WH will be spent sitting around smoking cigars, and doling out money to the people who got him elected: his buddies in the nuclear industry and elsewhere.
Yes only because she is a woman, perhaps you’d care to explain to us how is it exaclty she has an 80 percent approval rating in Alaska? Are there no registered Democrats in Alaska? Please! Which means she not only has the approval of the Republicans there, she also has the approval of an awful lot of Democrats. She must be doing something right.
I agree, we need to vote on the issues, and my primary issue as an American is taking back this country and the Dem Party from the fascist elements that have been at play since GWB.
Country before Party! Get it?
It is not Hillary’s job to defend or attack Sarah Palin. PERIOD.
How conveniently her detractors and pretend supporters forget that she is NOT the nominee. Obarky “won” without us and he can lose without us, too.
I’m really sick of the Dems saying that the Clintons have to bail Obama out. Hillary Clinton should have been the candidate. They robbed her of the nomination and now they want her to do Obama’s dirty work. I really hope she won’t do it. This party won’t back her in a presidential run, ever. She and Bill should see that.
tek, the Democratic Party will change next year. Do you seriously believe the money people stay with those who created this mess?
Great post Ani, and I concur. Grown ups own their vote and don’t look to Mommy or Daddy to fix anything for them. The constant fixation now, on what would Senator Clinton do, is a troll tactic, and frankly(not this post),I am tired of seeing it in non stop mode for the past few days. It is Diversion. There should have been this amount of concern during the primaries and consideration for Senator Clinton. Once again: Senator Clinton will do what she needs to do, the voters will do what they see fit to do, and that means voting for McCain/Palin, it will be for whatever reason that voters decide. Senator Clinton isn’t running now, and I will support her again, should she run again, and I am able to vote in whatever election that is for. MEanwhile, I vote against the DNC and O.
Hillary has done all that she needs to do for Obama’s sorry ass. And I don’t think she has any obligation to speak out for Sarah Palin either who appears capable of handling her own circumstances. No other candidate has been asked to do so much for a former foe who has given her nothing back in return. (Think of sore loser Ted Kennedy who could barely bring himself to shake Carter’s hand).
I think we need someone to go on YouTube with one of those sobbing “Leave Her Alone” videos to make just that point.
Enough is Enough!!!!
I read here daily, and have done since Larry opened this site. I don’t comment because it’s not my fight, however Ani, your post deserves a “Well Done”
Hillary worked her a@@ off and got nothing but vitriol and condemnation from her own party.
She is doing what she needs to do, and that is supporting downticket democrats, which is a heckuvalot more than that post whatever nominee is doing. If Mr Obama has a problem, it is his and his alone. If he is not strong enough to fight for himself, them perhaps he should not have applied for the job.
It’s time for people to hold this man to the same standards that every other person applying for the job has been held to (with the exception of GWB).
Hillary has behaved with dignity and grace throughout. Let her alone and fight your own bleeding battles, Mr Obama. Show some spine, or perish on the flaming pyre of your own overarching ambitions.
Back to lurking.
great comment–you should write more often!
Hey keep posting. That was great!
Great post for many. I disagree with most of what you said.
There will be many books written about the Hillary campaign of 2008. Many positions and theories will be forwarded. Hillary probably would write her own and make millions, possibly 20 millions. Ani may already be having a head start of her own. No problem with that at all.
Hillary’s campaign was a covenant campaign. She represented a portion of Americans and their aspirations and wishes for a type of government. There is also the cost of her defeat. Universal health care, the way Hillary proposed it is dead. Many people will suffer for that.
I agree that Hillary should do whatever she wants. I don’t care. But she has been a public figure making a covenant with America. So whatever she does will reflect on whatever she means to not only her words and deeds but to those who trusted her and place confidence in her and believed her.
We know that bar from any unpredictable event she will return to the Senate to represent the State of New York and Bill and her and Chelsea will write several books about this experience. That we know, or don’t we?
Really, if Barky looses, the Dem Party will go through quite a bit of turmoil. Can Hillary get the party back in shape? I don’t know. But I don’t think so, unless… Unless she becomes a PUMA. As a PUMA Hillary can have two options, defect or lead to create a new political party or act “MOTHERLY” to improve the rules, punish those that contributed to this debacle of Obambi’s candidacy and redirect the party to adopt a fair and truly democratic process.
What I do know or I think I know is that by taking the role of a submissive wife she will not be able to do anything. Even as a Senator, she will not have too much impact. But if she takes the role of a fighter, which she already has gained, and fight with PUMAs to the end, she will be able to carve a New Horizon for America. There I said it.
Thank you for your post. If you have read what I wrote, or watched the same events I watched over the last months and come to the conclusion that Hillary is in any way being the ’submissive wife’, may I respectfully suggest you look again.
I have never seen a politician with a bigger ’set’ on her. Someone above also posted than in 2000, McCain knew the fix was in as he was horribly tossed aside. He lived to fight another day.
There is an insane atmosphere out here right now. HIllary is doing what she needs to do. I will never change my mind about that because I remember very clearly how she was hamstrung at every turn in every argument she made by the media and the DNC riding shotgun for Obama — to a degree the likes of which I have never seen.
There is a time and a place for everything. The time for reform is after an Obama loss, after the house of cards fall and people are left scratching their heads. To think she could start this right now in what I have stated is an irrational atmosphere is not realistic.
You may be right about my working on a book, however.
Thanks. I don’t want to discuss too much about the submissiveness because it would be very counterproductive.
My point is to explore what would happen if Hillary affiliates with PUMA. What would be the consequences? The consequences is that it would move her in the direction of Lieberman. At the surface very bad. But then, when Obambi looses she can say, either you guys fix the mess or I’m leaving. Will that threat work? I think so. But then it may not.
In this climate, never. These DNC idiots want her out. Haven’t you noticed. She is not going to give them the satisfaction.
AFTER he loses, if we can get rid of some of the other losers, THEN we will see.
Lark, HRC (like McCain) will take back her Party in 2012. If she decides in the future to split formally from the Party then I’m with her too. Let her work this thing out in the way she sees fit! No one here is in a position to second guess her.
Hillary is both smiling and crying at the same time. She is thinking “I told you so!” You want hear Senator Clinton defending the Republicans or attacking the Democrates. Her time is yet to come.
Remember we are PUMA and we will remember in November!
I saw a clip on Geraldo last night of Hillary attacking McCain/Plain. Its disturbing to see the abused helping the abuser. Hillary looked beat, she should get some rest she’s been through enough
Hillary just attended the funeral of one of her best friends — Stephanie Tubbs Jones. If you saw the picture of her while at the funeral — you can see the look of devastation in her face and eyes. Complete and utter sorrow. Hillary is hurting right now in so many ways…
So, in other words — quick picking on Hillary! This is not HER fight — she is doing only the bare minimal of what she has to do!
Hillary, the person, has got to be on an emotional roller coaster right now:
The Republicans — who used sexist attacks on her (calling her “shrill” and attacking her and her husband’s personal lives) — are suddenly yelling “hands off Palin”.
The Democrats — supposedly the pro-woman party — spent the entire primary season attacking her and are now attacking another woman mostly for being a woman.
But Hillary, the career politician, will do the right thing. She gave a masterful convention speech in which she managed to say “you must vote democrat” without praising Obama himself in any way. My guess is that she will continue that line of argument and if she mentions Palin at all it will be in terms of her not representing the traditional values of the Democratic party {holding her own nose against the realization that the dem party no longer represents those values, either}
Mostly? How about entirely. It is all they got. It is a hip-hop special. Straight out of a pathetic rap music song. I’ve never, ever heard of a 17 year old child being raked over the coals. Never.
You’ve got that right. HRC was an outstanding candidate who got the shiv. What she’ll do now is follow up with a intentionally pedestrian performance of stumping for OHB without mentioning his name and lend whatever support she can for the down-ticket candidates in preparation for 2012. Contrary to the opinions of her former supporters and detractors, HRC will eventually come out way ahead on this one.
Which cabinet position will McCain ask Hillary to accept, if he is POTUS?
I think it might be Secretary of Defense but it could be State.
Biden needs to do his J O B, and stop using others to do the dirty work. Obama, get your running mate to stop hiding behind the rock.
Do you think they are holding him back until they build up their Sarah-specific debate arsenal?
Exactly!
A long vacation for Hillary is a good idea.
After calling him racist, Obama is finally meeting with the President.
President Clinton should tell him to GFY.
I don’t think Hill is being submissive, I really don’t…
I think she does not want to be blamed for the BO debacle, and she will make some appearances to sooth the base.
The D’s are loosing this election with all the hate, disrepect, and smears against Palin….each time they do this the R’s go up one point in the polls,
plus they are off message.
Check out http://www.foxnews.com headline:
“ANCHORS AWAY” under pictures of Matthews & Olbermann
ROFLMAO!
Life has those exquisite moments.
They sure found a bad picture of Tweety …. lmfao
Without his man-makeup.
And, I didn’t watch Backtrack Barry’s interview with the RACE PLaying George Steponmyback yesterday, but thanks to news reports, Backtrack Barry has flipped on one of the last possible issues.
After now stating he will move troops to Afhanistan for the “RIGHT WAR” (according to Barry) and ALL HIS OTHER FLIPS, now Backtrack Barry has flipped on his last principled position; rescinding the Bush tax cut for wealthy Americans.
“Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding Bush tax cuts if economy slips into recession
By Associated Press
1:54 PM CDT, September 7, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) _ Democrat Barack Obama says he would delay rescinding President Bush’s tax cuts on wealthy Americans if he becomes the next president and the economy is in a recession, suggesting such an increase would further hurt the economy.
Nevertheless, Obama has no plans to extend the Bush tax cuts beyond their expiration date, as Republican John McCain advocates. Instead, Obama wants to push for his promised tax cuts for the middle class, he said in a broadcast interview aired Sunday.
“Even if we’re still in a recession, I’m going to go through with my tax cuts,” Obama said. “That’s my priority.”"
So, not only did Backtrack Barry flip on rescinding the tax cut Bush gave, he strengthened the position of giving those tax cuts for wealthy Americans as necessary for economic reasons. Claiming he won’t do it now if we’re in recession.
After making that claim, how can he then say rescinding them at all is GOOD for the country?
I D I O T
Nah…f027 that!! Who was it that was standing up for HIllary during the primary. Right. That’s the person who should continue to stand up against the sexism aimed at Palin. Can you imagine that the people who used the sexism against Hillary want her to do it against Palin. Motherf…!!
If Hillary supports Obambi in any way, she would loose twice in the electoral campaign of 2008. Two big loses in a row. She would have lost to Obambi and lost to McChange.
If Obambi wins, he will humiliate her for the next eight years. IMO. And her chances in 2016 are very slim.
I agree with all those who say that Hillary should not campaign for Oblahblah at all. Let him drown in his own stupidity.
“I don’t think Hill is being submissive, I really don’t…
I think she does not want to be blamed for the BO debacle, and she will make some appearances to sooth the base.”
Hillary is a politician and she will do what she needs to do in order to stay in the “game”, if for no other reason than to be effective for her state of New York. So far, her support of Obama is minimal compared to the infamous McCain/Bush huge. And that was after Rove/Bush trashed McCain’s family and insinuated that McCain had sold out his fellow POW’s. I suspect President John McCain will have the last laugh at “W”.
I hope he does which will be an extra bonus.
Ani, Thank you so much for this. I hope I never hear one more obnoxious statement on what Hillary should be doing.
Clinton in 2012.
OT. I saw this on a comment at WP:
McCain is a national hero; Obama is a total zero.
I like it. Will use it.
HYSTERICAL!
….from CNN….2 mins ago
“Rollins: Obama should have picked Hillary ”
….can we get a NO SH!T!
Backtrack Barry’s ego just wouldn’t allow it…that and his angry militant MEchelle.
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NO SHIT , Rollings deserves to roll with O, Great post well said, Puma stick together and post everything nasty the O supporters dish, and yes, for days I have figured the Os new agenda, Hill and repub divide and defeat for O, Keep the Unity of Puma and others, so the DNC will know true Unity, Hill deservees to be left alone, like what was stated Shes no ones Mama to fix everything O destroyed with his supporters, Nobama , and Vote Vote and make sure we pick up anyone that needs to get to the polls, McCain Palin 2008Country before Party, and dont forget to tear into the DNC for allowing such nastiness of sexism in the race, send them the O supporters comments and say is this what the Democratic party supports, No thank you lets clean up our party , stick together and Roar loudly, we were the no needed voters tossed aside and told they did not need us, well we are gaining strength as many join in our discussions Go Puma and yes we did get the Orange contribution of he suit, ties and the shirts the Texas delegation i believe were waving, True Unity in defeating Obama. selecting the most qualified candidate Country before Party.McCain Palin 2008
Ani,
Brava! The best thing on the blogs I’ve read in a long time.
Thank you for putting your heart into this, and for providing an articulate explanation of society’s Hillary psychosis. Most of the time it seems that no matter what she does or says, it would not be enough to satisfy those making demands of her. Much like motherhood, you’re right.
I agree with you completely, and I support Hillary completely. She should be given the space she has earned to do what she wants, how she wants, when she wants.
I remain…a Hillary Democrat.
td
Thanks very much, TD.
Please feel free to cross-post.
TexasDarlin, it’s good to see your comment here. I have been asking about you. Perhaps one day you can write your own book about this campaign also (or collaborate with Ani)? I would be very interested in buying that and hearing what you have to say. It’s hard to find anyone who can be heard above the noise anymore and it feels more like Alice in Wonderland everyday. Your site was down when I tried a few weeks ago.(?)
Nobama has been riding on Hillary coat tails for too long now, let him change his own diapers, he’s a big boy now.
Thanks very much, TD.
Please feel free to cross-post.
I just want her to be Senate Majority Leader:
http://hrcforsenatemajorityleader09.com
Ps — Until 2012, that is.
I like what Agust304 wrote.
McCain is a national hero, Obama is a total zero.
We should come up with t-shirts that read:
HEROS before ZERO’S!
“McCain/Palin 08″
YES! Shall we submit that to the McCain campaign?
McCain would reject it. That kind of slander isn’t his style.
Wonderful post!!!!! Thank you so much for it.
I am now listening to Hillary Clinton speak in Florida. As a long-time, original supporter from the early 90s, I’ve got to say I am extremely disappointed to hear her speak unconstrained words of praise and support for Obama. So she has opted to be brow beaten by Obama and still come out and say, he’s a great person, our only choice. I’m sorry, I own my vote and I refuse to forgive or forget.
This is a sad day…
Damn. Well, so much for my hope that she would only support downticket dems and let Obama/Dean/Axelrod stew in their own juices.
I really believed she would do that…..now she’s going to be tied in to having been a big supporter of the William Ayers-Tony Rezko candidate when all that information gets out.
Yes and Hillary is doing this in Florida, where Obama’s chances are slim to none — Gov. Christ is BIG in McCain’s camp. And after Obama’s willful disenfranchisement of Florida, these people will not soon forget. That Hillary is a smart cookie. And do you really think anyone listening will forget how she really feels about him.
In the name of I own my own vote, is there anything you think Hillary could say to make someone change their mind?
I am not excusing this but I don’t know what you want her to do. It is pretty much unheard of that one would not campaign for their party.
EXACTLY, Ani. Hillary is in a state Obambi can’t possibly win. She’s one smart lady — our Hillary!
Apparently they want her to fall on her sword.
I think she is doing exactly what she should be doing. I’m sure she and Bill have discussed her options and are doing what they think is best, keeping in mind 2012. I think this should be allowed to unfold in its own way and due time.
BTW: I agree with you and the poster to whom you responded.
WOW, You dont understand politics, You dont understand loyality!!!
You were never Hillary supporter. If You dont untherstand above, then I will not choose You to be my supporter or a friend!!!
Richardson claim to be a very loyal to Clintons, and 3 days later stub them, why??? BECAUSE HE LOVES SO MUCH OBAMAS SPEACHES!!! what a creep…
I agree. Why? I don’t think Obama will do for her anything except more humiliation.
Bye, bye, Mathew Weaver.
Matthew Weaver = Richardson = Judas
HILLARY ‘12!!!
The fact of the matter is that Pres Clinton is a Dem.
Hillary will stay within the Democratic Party and try and repair the damage. She is trying to support down ticket Dems, as the Clintons have always done.
A huge contrast to threats and intimidation from Obama’s tactics. She is gaining more inside support than she had before this mess. Which will obviously pay off in 2012. Personally, if I was running for election, I would rather have a Clinton stump for me than the Obamas.
I think it is unrealistic to expect Hillary to abandon the DNC, because that is accepting defeat. As well as handing over the party to the Chicago thugs.
They know first hand what is going on, and I respect whatever they decide they must do to repair that damage.
Personally, I think we should find out how to get the manipulative Dean, Brazile, Obama factions out of the DNC. Without help from the people to oust these clowns, once again, Hillary has little chance of winning the inside game in 2012. Even with the support she is gaining by fundraising for down ticket Dems.
Karma…exellent.. right on money. Get all those ugly people from DNC!!!
lol @ ugly people, but it’s the truth.
They are ugly on the inside and out.
Thugs in suits.
I think many folks seem to misunderstand what Politics is all about. Hillary has been ‘in the game’ LONG before this farce of a primary. She has an agenda. She has HER beliefs. She has HER principles.
To those who think she should just curl up and take the phone off the hook, I respectfully say you are being unrealistic. Hillary has a GREAT deal of POWER, (despite what the DNC wants to admit or “allow”). She is also a “Party Loyalist”.
I personally don;t think she should nor want to see her cover barky’s ass; and I don’t think she is. But she wants a Dem in the WH. Maybe she thinks there is some way to “control” his maddness once there. Maybe she thinks the Congress would actually start doing their job… I don’t know…
But what I DO think she SHOULD do, as a woman, and as a decent human being is to SPEAK up against the increasingly INTOLERABLE attitudes and precedents of slander, censorship, sexism and ABUSE of WOMEN. She doesn’t have to stand up for Sarah Palin as a candidate, but I think she SHOULD stand up for her as a WOMAN.
“Feminism” isn’t about abortion, choice, personal preferences, guns, religion etc… “Feminism” is about CIVILISED, EQUAL, and RESPECTFUL treatment of Woman. Full Stop!
Just wondering:
Did you demand that GOP women defend the sexism we saw throughout this election? Feel free to show a post you wrote about asking them to step up to the plate within the last 16 months.
If not, why are you holding Hillary to a higher standard?
YES, why we dont hear Republican woman defending Sarah Palin, but some are asking to did for them???
Ani… this time You are very wrong!!!Obama must fight His own fight, with or with out of Hillary and Bill.
Right now Obamas camp does not looks so good and sure. They are the same people who spit on Hillary. I will like to see all those names who did play Hillary supporters, and then turn agaist, just as Richardson THE traitor!!Remember; Bill said in political life, “if you want to have a friend, get your self a dog”!
If you read what I actually wrote above — the whole article is saying Obama should fight his own fight. This is his to lose.
Personally, I think Obama has already lost it.
He lost in back in March with the Rev. Wright stuff, but the enabling press and DNC idiots where suffering from Clinton Derangement Syndrome and didn’t want to admit it.
He should have bowed out then, if he had the slightest bit of love for the Dem principles and Party he supposedly wants to defend (not).
Hillary in Osceola, Florida. Is terrible. Now she sounds like she is espousing the ideas Obama has created and brings forward. She diminishes herself. There she is singing Obambi’s songs. But I know that Barack will no only humiliate her every day in the Senate, but appropriate everything she will do there.
Hillary will be better off working with Palin and McCain. She will get more of what she wants.
I think Hillary now will loose twice this year.
Pardon me, but Hillary WON. She won the popular vote. And she would have won the GE if the nomination wasn’t stolen from her. Hillary is a WINNER! She won. She wins now. She will win in the future.
That being said. She knows better than any of us, the dems hate losers. Unlike the republicans, they never re-nominate or put a runner-up in next time around. She knows to fight another day, she MUST retain her WINNER image. She will jettison LOSER Barky as soon as it is safe politically to do so. And come mid-November, Holy Cow! her and Bill will let loose, paint Obambi as the biggest loser that ever was and Clintons as the only WINNERS!
How on earth can she do that if she becomes a full throated supporter of his now? She’ll look crazy, or beyond opportunistic, or like she only did it to make money toward her campaign debt.
Going whole hog for the Ayers-Rezko ticket is dumb and wrong.
Lark… stop this nonsense. Hillary has no choice but support Obama, that is a FACT!!!She is not deminishing Her self, and She wont.
You must be kidding” working with McCain and Pali” this would be a political suicide, and the and og Hillary chances for 2012!!!
Now in the middle of GE, start supporting Republicans???
You are not thinking wright, get lost…
The fact that you are not happy with what Hillary said in Florida means Hillary is winning. She continues to maintain the image of a loyal Democrat. She stands a good chance to take back the Democratic Party from Obama. If you don’t want that, you were never a real Hillary supporter in the first place but a Repug.
Ani,
Brava! Standing Ovation, Excellent post, and then some.
You summed up the way I feel 100%.
“expecting Clinton to take on the entire Party, the media and the Obama campaign single-handed is as naive as it is unreasonable. ”
I strongly agree with your blog Ani.
Who ever said doing the right thing is easy?
This is why doing the right thing is hard.
These are the moments in a person’s and country’s history that people have to live by their principles and character.
The only thing required for evil to win is for good people to do nothing (or fool themselves into thinking they could do nothing now and something later)
Vince –
She has been doing the right thing for many years now and has shown great courage time and time again. I won’t tolerate anyone saying otherwise.
Don’t act like she’s doing the ‘easy’ thing now. Again, these are ridiculous expectations.
I don’t see anyone hollering at other ‘good’ Democrats who supported her to get out there and clean up the Party.
She’s been killing herself out there — haven’t you noticed. Give it a rest, please.
She has more character and principles in her little finger than 99% of these pols have in their whole body. She’s a fighter. She’ll live to fight another day.
Timing is everything — you have to strike a blow or make a move when it’s actually going to make a difference. Otherwise you’re just pissing in the wind.
Matthew, haven’t you beat this Hillary thing to death? Let it rest please, it is tiring.
Exactly.
I’ve decided to ignore him and not even waste my time replying to him.
He just doesn’t get it, and it’s becoming clear that he is politically naive. He might have mommy-issues as well, lol
No. I am not going to facilitate Clinton in supporting an abuser, even if just political. She’s bigger and stronger than this. Consider what character and leadership mean. McCain, for example, got unfairly trashed in 2000, thereafter he didn’t go campaign for Bush. Sure once Bush won, he worked with him but McCain never surrendered. McCain fought openly against his party, just as Palin has done. McCain even openly criticized the party during his convention acceptance speech. That is character and leadership. It is sad, as a supporter, to say that Clinton fails on these counts. It is sadand pathetic, to see her out singing Obama’s praises.
And, yes, I do apologize to those of you who support Clinton without question or are aghast that I or anyone might question her. Look, either you facilitate or you say the truth. You can become apologists if you want, but to say what Clinton is doing is good and right is ignoring what has happened, is happening, and what will happen to her regardless of whether Obama wins or loses.
McCain pissed off a ton of Republicans back in 12/04 by jumping all over Rumsfeld because of the crappy planning and supplying of our troops in Iraq and Abu Ghraib. He was savaged by people in his own party, shunned at public events, etc.
It’s a kick in the gonads to the folks who were slobbering all over Bush and Rumsfeld that McCain won the nomination this time.
I have been on no quarter for sometime now, not as long as some and have never been boxed into a category like this by NQ regulars.
Matthew, your’e generalizing my statement,which only reminds me of similar tactics by Obama supporters. Plus you have posted and had articles published here for the past four days, on this same subject over and over. So I have to ask are you an Obama supporter? Fine if you are, and note I am asking you, so as not to assume. I like to know upfront who I am responding to. If not where do you get off with generalizing an opinion that disagrees? As well as make a huge assumption. The reason for my post above is I really am tired of the subject, and yes I didn’t have to respond, but I don’t understand why so much on the same topic in such a short period of time, by the same writer?
Matthew Weaver seems more like a Repug supporter than a Hillary supporter. True Hillary supporters are vehemently anti-Obama but we have no illusions that Repugs are our friends. Right now, the enemy (Repug) of our enemy (Obama) is not our enemy, as of now, but we have no delusions that come 2012, the Repug slug machine will be all out against Hillary Clinton, just like they were for the last 16 years before Obama appeared. Palin is part of that machine.
Mathew Weaver is an Ozombie mole.
Hillary CLinton is a fine example of a strong woman. She was abused by the DNC.
She held her head up with dignity to remind each of us that there is a destiny for women. We have a choice.
Now Hillary must play political games in order to keep her positions on committees and to wield influence.
Let us see what she says.
Now is the time to think of the nation.
Like John McCain says we must look beyond our own self interest and build a voice to back him and Governor Palin against the intrenched interests.
McCain will respond to the voice of the people. Hillary will keep him honest.
Get out the vote for McCain/Palin
Dr.Kate You are right…
Thank You. Thank you.
Hillary has “True Grit” and is my hero for all time.
My loyalty to HRC will never waiver.
This entire thing is so bittersweet.
let him get his wife out there for him
remember she’s the one who said she would have to think about supporting Hillary if she was the nomonee…
Hillary cannot do what we supporters can sick up the middle finger and walk away!
I agree. Where’s MEchelle. Let her get out on the stump. Or Oprah. Oprah helped shove him down out throats. Let her get out there too, but her money where her mouth is and watch her ratings tank some more.
Oh yeah, let Mechelle and Oprah campaign for him.
Why hasn’t Oprah done a show about all of the sexism in the media?
I thought she was supposed to be a champion for women?
She is such a hypocritical jerk now.
I used to like her, now I can’t stand her. I haven’t watched her show in a loooong time.
same here…
Tuppence…I agree with You, and I stop watching Operah, since Her wild support for Obama. But, were was Ellen and other superstars??? If She support Hillary as She claim, why She has Michelle on Her show.Why all those BIG STARS didnt help Hillary, are they affraid of Obama???, or they are like Richardson to??? I hope that I am wrong. In Denver, Operah rented a house for 50 thousand, and then She was all the way up at Obama speach at Mile High Stadium!! hiding and crying at His speach. I saw, and why She was hiding from public???
sorry, She-Operah was hiding at convention not at Mile High!
Why all those BIG STARS didnt help Hillary, are they afraid of Obama???,
- I think Obama is a fad to these Hollywood stars, and they want to be seen as “cool” or “hip”.
If I were a celebrity, concerned about my privacy, I sure as heck wouldn’t vote for a man that supports FISA.
“nominee”
Ani, great great post. Standing ‘O’ from me.
I’ve posted this before, that this campaign is not a Hollywood movie and those wanting Hillary to make like Sally Field in Norma Rae are just being hopelessly naive and just plain silly.
Politics is a blood sport and you must live to fight another day. That’s what Hillary is doing. If PUMAs want to become a viable 3rd Party, then it’s our job to begin building it. As much as I hate to go there:
“If you build it, they will come.”
People aching for Hillary to make what would amount to a self-destructive grandstand, really just want Hillary to do all the work. Once again!
We’re on our own for the time being. And I don’t know about anyone else, I’m going to survive. And I don’t need Hillary right now to help me.
I never called for her to tell them to go F themselves….but had hoped she would be too “busy” to campaign and act all excited about Obama/Biden.
Sadly, those hopes were apparently wrong.
Thank you, Mimi. Brava to you, too.
I think your take on this is exactly correct. She cannot single-handedly change the entire political system.
Ani, Absolutely wonderful post! Thank you. You’ve said what needed to be said. I loved the way that you expressed it!
a great blog:
tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/09/oedipus-wrecksobama-supporters-media.html
a. hillary
b. mccain
america first!
This site stopped being about Hillary a long time ago. It’s a republican site, now. Maybe it always was.
So why are you here Rico?
Here is alittle clue….
Obama isn’t a Democrat. He is a Libertarian, hence the reason why he is so popular with the likes of Arianna Huffington, Andrew Sullivan, Andrea Mitchell and her husband Alan Greenspan (an Ayan Rand follower).
Obama might as well have a number of corporate logo’s stamped to the back of his suit jacket!!
Why are so many people here against retro-active immunity for the telecoms but Obama voted for it? If we were Republican’s we would have been all for it!!
Your guy Obama is the schill for corporate interests. He is the one who spent all his time talking up the greatness of Reagan!
Now, who is the “real” Republican?
EuroGirl70,
If only that were true. I am a McCain supporter myself, mainly because I have libertarian leanings. He opposed the Gitmo abuses and called into question the more oppressive aspects of the Patriot Act. I’m voting McCain precisely because he is relatively libertarian. I voted for Ron Paul in the primary.
Er, and why call Obama “my guy”? I didn’t vote for him in the primary, and I’m voting McCain in the fall (probably).
I agree with all the kind posts about McCain that I read on this blog, I just find it hard to believe that anyone who posts these things would have voted Hillary over Obama, given that her policy positions are largely the same as Barak’s. I would have voted against Senator Clinton as readily as I will vote against Obama.
I just admit it.
Think what you will, but I voted for Hillary in the primary and would have voted for her in the GE over McCain in a heartbeat.
However, that being said, Hillary and Obama’s positions are in no way identical, and even if there are some similarities on paper, Hillary acts on her principles and Obama has none.
Hillary is for the immediate removal of Blackwater from Iraq. Obama says they need to stay.
Hillary voted against gastigating MoveOn.org for taking the General Petraus ad out in NYT. Obama, who later got their endorsement, didn’t show up for the vote.
Hillary shows up at New York gay pride parades to meet supporters each year. Obama had former AA San Francisco Mayor host a fundraiser for him under the proviso that no pictures were taken of him with current SF mayor Gavin Newsome, nor did he want to be in close proximity to him.
Hillary is against Bush’s faith-based initiative and Obama has said he wishes to expand upon it.
Hillary voted against FISA, cloture, and protroactive immnunity. Obama voted yes.
Hillary is for green technology and against nuclear power. Obama is for nuclear power and in the Illinois legislature wrote a piece of watered down legilation that would have given his big contributor the chance to pollute waterways with very little punishment.
Hillary says that we would revisit some parts of NAFTA and seek renegotiation. Obama agreed and then sent a lackey to Canada to tell them it was all bullshit!!
Please stop with the crap that Obama and Hillary are interchangeable. They are not.
correction:
retroactive immunity…
EuroGirl:
This is an interesting (and counterintuitive) set of examples. I’ll take them one at a time:
1) McCain also thinks Blackwater should stay, and is more adamant about it than Obama. I assume you’ll ignore this when it comes to McCain, but not when it comes to Barak.
2) McCain castigated MoveOn.org much more harshly than Obama did. I assume you’ll give him a pass on that, as well. Oh, and MoveOn also endorsed Obama in the primaries, despite his disagreement with them over the characterization of Petraus, who, by the way, was far more competent and frank than any prior general in the arena.
3) McCain is more explicitly anti-gay than Obama, and believes that the government’s role in “defending marriage” is legitimate, while Obama wants a relatively hands-off approach to marriage. Both candidates support civil unions. I assume you’ll give McCain a pass on this, but not Barak?
4) The McCain/Palin ticket also wants to expand faith-based initiatives. Given Sara Palin’s new role in the administration, those initiatives will be more explicitely evangelical. I assume you’re okay with McCain/Palin doing that?
5) McCain voted for FISA, cloture, and protroactive immnunity…all despite the fact that he has been willing to fight the administration on such issues in the past. Is it okay for McCain to flop in this, but not Barak?
6) McCain is for nuclear power and drilling. Obama is for nuclear power and might be willing to give ground on more limited drilling than McCain proposes. Again, your affinity for Hillary doesn’t intuitively translate to McCain on this. All three candidates are for alternative energy, but I suspect that McCain would spend less on it than Barak, being a deficit hawk and all.
7) Obama’s lackey didn’t say anything that was any more pro-NAFTA than McCain. McCain doesn’t even want to revisit NAFTA. If you and Hillary are so anti-NAFTA (the legislation that President Clinton advocated for and then signed) then why would you vote McCain?
I’m not saying that “Hillary and Obama are interchangable”. I’m saying that they are close to being so than Hillary and McCain.
That said, I happen to think McCain is right on the majority of those issues, and that Obama and Clinton are largely wrong. From my (republican) point of view, Hillary and Obama are equally wrong for the country.
I just don’t understand how you get from where you were to my side of the fence so comfortably.
Neverthess, whatever your reasons, welcome to the fold!
Your guy Obama is the schill for corporate interests. He is the one who spent all his time talking up the greatness of Reagan!
Now, who is the “real” Republican?
- Okaaaay?
O***a spent so much time heaping praise on Reagan, I was taken aback a little bit.
Then he talked about how he would get advice from Bush the First.
lol @ the comment aout the logos stamped on his suit jacket. Can you imagine O***a campaigning in a suit like a race-car driver? A giant AT&T logo in the front, GE on the bottom part, a picture of George Soros on the back, a free Tony Rezko pin on the side…
There are so many red flags about him it’s scary.
OBAMA is NOT a libertarian! LMAO!!
He’s a socialist, liberal damn near a communist!
Libertarian!
then explain why Arianna Huffington, Andrew Sullivan, Alan Greenspan, etc…seem to be so enamoured of him?
He may give you the impression that he is a socialist, in order to garner support from segments of the Democratic Party, but do not forget that Hedge Funds and Wall Street love this guy. There is no chance that he is going to be like Vladimir Putin and nationalize this countries’ remaining resources.
He has never been about helping others on his way to the top and he certainly would not have the very influential supporters he has in the corporate world if for one moment they thought he was going to “re-distribute” their wealth to the “unwashed” masses of the proletariat. That is his cover. He is a a neocon with semi-liberal leanings.
Why would a Socialist tout up Reagan? His ass owes so much to is “corporate sugar daddies” do you really think he is going to turn into Hugo Chavez? Do you think that his cousin Odinga is a Socialist? They are authoritarian capitalists!!
Wake up, he is not a socialist and that is why corporate interests in this country did not want Hillary in office. Why? Because she would find out in short order where all the bodies were buried!
He wants you to believe that his views are identical to Hillary’s, when they are anything but. Hillary is no Ayan Rand and her selfish, egotistical views are alive and well in Obama!
I am not calling Hillary selfish but Ayan Rand and her philosophy; of which Obama is a product.
Just to be clear…..
I think the only “ist” Obama is, is an Opportunist.
I agree with that. Obama doesn’t seem to hold to any particular creed or dogma. This can be a strength or a massive crack in his armor. I must admit that Obama holds some appeal, even to a republican like me, because his is pragmatic enough to get things done, even if it means crossing the isle. If we had a republican congress, that pragmatism might be tempting. As it is, he won’t need to cross the isle because the dems have both houses.
That is essentially why I have to vote McCain. Ultimately, I’m excited about that prospect, because, well, McCain is also a pragmatist who is less married to creed than to getting things done.
Obama is to the right of HRC on all issues and policies. He’s pretending to be a liberal, but all he is is a Trojan horse. I think Bill Clinton’s convention speech pointed to Obama’s Right leanings by describing him as being on the “right” side of history, meaning on the Right (capital R) side of history.
On this site, Obama is whatever you hate. If you hate liberals, then he is too liberal. If you hate libertarians, then he is that. There is no consistent critique on his political leanings here, because he’s being compared to Clinton, and not to McCain.
One thing is for sure, he is more liberal than McCain. That is the real barometer. Hillary is also to the left of McCain. That is also obvious.
So, if you are a centrist, I can see how you might vacillate from Clinton to McCain. I’m a right of center republican, myself, and would have vacillated had Romney been nominated. I understand the confusion. I just don’t understand how one gets from Hillary (a pretty strong liberal) to preferring McCain over Obama.
There aren’t many republicans who consider Hillary in a general election, is all I’m saying. I would have voted Hillary over a raging neocon, but just barely.
If it were anyone but McCain (or Ron Paul) running, I might have even voted Obama.
HRC is no liberal, unless you are to the extreme right of Generalissimo Francisco Franco. End of discussion.
Hillary is just barely to left of Franco? I’ll admit, that’s a new one.
You know, come to think of it, I do recall Ann Coulter also claiming that Hillary was more conservative than John McCain.
Your comment adds yet another wrinkle to the total inconguity (perhaps a more positive way is to say “diversity”) of opinions on this site.
Look at it this way: she is a liberal on some issues and a conservative on others. But on balance, I’d say she’s a bit to the conservative side. She did support Barry Goldwater in ‘64. The only ones who would think she is a liberal are so far to the right, they think Franco was a centrist.
Fred,
I’m not convinced. Her position in ‘64 isn’t exactly a good indicator of her 2008 policies. The health care plan, alone, would lurch the country way to the left. I would concede that she would be somewhat conservative militarily (I see her as a hawk when it comes to such issues, despite primary campaign rhetoric), but her domestic policies (NAFTA, taxes, energy, education, health care, etc) are considerably to the left of her husband, even if they may be to the right of Obama.
Of course, that last bit is hard to prove, since we don’t know much about Obama’s political ideology.
Rico, where would you be without labels? Most of your comment would be gone in a flash
There aren’t many republicans who consider Hillary in a general election, is all I’m saying. I would have voted Hillary over a raging neocon, but just barely.
If it were anyone but McCain (or Ron Paul) running, I might have even voted Obama.
You are seriously confused by all the labels. To Paraphrase Bill Clinton; Say you have candidates x,y and Z.
Candidate x is a member of your party, espouses your views one day and changes his mind the next. He is also a man with corrupt friends and has run a corrupt campaign and you believe him to be a man who cannot be trusted.
Candidate y is a member of the opposing party and you disagree with his views 90% of the time, but you believe he is a man of good character acting out of honestly held beliefs.
Who should you vote for? I pick z because she is consistent in what she believes, is a woman of good character and she reflects my point of view on 99.9% on important issues.
Unfortunately, candidates x and y are the only choices for voters so I think I’ll go with the good character. And I got through that entirely without using labels.
Elise,
I understand the rationale. In fact, I think most Americans vote on their perception of character, and not on policy issues. I’m a bit of a pragmatist on that one. For one, I’m not a believer in the integrity of any politician. John McCain is my guy, but he already broke with his own beliefs by voting for the torture bill late last year, and “making nice” with evangelicals and even putting one on the ticket to shore up that base.
Do I blame him? Nope. He’s doing what he has to do to win. Do I like that he is compromising so many of his long-cherished beliefs? You bet.
If you think any of these folks’ real character are on easy display and that they don’t carefully craft the public’s perception of them, you are a considerably more trusting than I.
On the other hand, is relatively easy to see policy positions and vote based on what laws they will advocate and what kinds of judges they might appoint. These policy decisions will outlast their own candidacy.
It is the policy that matters most to me. If better policies can be enacted by a bunch of creeps, then so be it.
Sorry, wrong again. This is not a Republican site. Nice try.
And you’re here calling Obama all sorts of “filthy slander.” What’s the difference? Oh, I remember, you’re true patriots for protecting America from Obama, the radical Christian, I mean Muslim, I mean Christian, I mean Kenyan, I mean Hawaiian… Keep slinging that mud folks, surely one day you’ll have done enough gutterdwelling to have the moral authority to deride all those mean nasty Kossacks.
who was it who had to be corrected from using the phrase “my Muslim faith” this past weekend on This Week?
Yeah, that would be Obama himself. Maybe it was just a Freudian slip but I’ll tell you something Yeti, no one on this site has ever referred to Obama with the N-word. However, Hillary has been called a bitch, cunt, whore, etc. Olbermann said she should be taken into a room with a DNC leader and only “he should come out”
Obama had 99 problems but a bitch ain’t one playing when he took the stage in Iowa. He is the one who called Hillary “likable enough”. He is the one who said he could get her (Hillary’s) voters but she couldn’t get his. His wife was the one who said she wanted to sratch Bill Clinton’s eyes out.
As for referencing him as Kenyan, Hawaiian, etc. the confusion seems to be on Obama’s part as to what he is. One minute he says that he is the product of Selma, when his parents got together (4) years before Selma. Next, he tells you that he is equipped to handle any and all international affairs because he lived in Indonesia as a child. However, he didn’t stay there long and asked Grandma and Grandpa to take him to Hawaii where he grew up but then he starts running ads about his “Kansas” roots when he was never there and his grandparents hadn’t lived there in years.
He doesnt know who the hell he is…so pardon all of us on this site if some of Obama’s “confusion” spills over into our ranks!!
Obama has also said of Hillary (in his own words, not from surrogates):
“she is getting desperate”
“she is being disingenuous”
“she attacks me when she feels periodically down”
“her statements about MLK were ill-advised”
These are sly ways to disparage her while looking like a nice guy. What a slime ball. Of course his MSM minions have gone much farther all with his encouragement and following Axelrod’s talking points.
Don’t get holier-than-thou with us, buddy.
Add
“the claws come out”
- Barack Obama
Olbermann wouldn’t take Hillary into that room himself because he knows Hillary would be the one who came out, even if Tingly-Leg Tweety Matthews went in there to help him!
Excellent response Eurogirl. Obama’s confused about himself or he can’t keep all of his lies straight.
Had the Republicans come to Hillary’s defense, the Obots would have called Hillary a “closet Republican”.
Who has the duty to defend you first when you are attacked? Your family, the Democrats. They didn’t.
I also think Hillary needs to stay out of it.
Barky has his own VP candidate to do the work for him.
Go Sarah!
Er, republicans did come to Hillary’s defense. Limbaugh’s own Operation Chaos was the most famous among such efforts.
I even voted voting Hillary for that very reason, but, in the end, I voted for the only candidate I liked better than McCain (Ron Paul). Besides, I was a bit worried about what would happen if Operation Chaos actually led to Clinton winning the whole ball of wax.
The point is, republicans will prop up Senator Clinton as long as such division can get McCain and Palin in office. As a moderate republican, I have mixed feelings about that tactic. I want McCain in office, but I hate to see him rely on such tactics to win. I just hope this whole process doesn’t change him.
I even voted voting Hillary for that very reason, but, in the end, I voted for the only candidate I liked better than McCain (Ron Paul). Besides, I was a bit worried about what would happen if Operation Chaos actually led to Clinton winning the whole ball of wax
That’s a little confusing Rico. So you voted for Obama? You’re a Republican, you voted in the Democratic Primary because Rush Limbaugh told you to, but you didn’t vote for the person he told you to vote for because you were worried Hillary would win thereby helping Operation Chaos to succeed? What was the purpose of Operation Chaos? To create chaos in the Democratic Party, right? Wrong! He was angry with the Republican Party for nominating John McCain. He didn’t/doesn’t like John McCain so he wanted the Republican Party to be in chaos and go down in defeat. He knows Hillary could have won the election against any Republican and that Barack Obama cannot win against McCain. So, you do what Limbaugh told you to do, register as a Democrat; and then you do what he didn’t tell you to do by voting for someone the Republicans can defeat (except for Ron Paul of course)?
No, I never voted Obama. I think there was a typo there. I voted Paul in the primaries and will vote McCain in the fall. I meant to say that I *considered* voting Hillary in the primary.
As far as Limbaugh’s intentions, I agree that he isn’t a huge McCain fan, but he clearly would rather have McCain than either Clinton or Obama. There are others, like Ann Coulter, that prefer Clinton, though.
By the way, I also happen to agree with you that Clinton was more “electable” in the sense that she had a better chance against McCain than Obama. That was one other reason I didn’t vote Clinton in the end.
As a moderate republican, I’m concerned about Palin being so socially conservative, but it hasn’t swayed me to change my vote, yet. I really need to hear more from both her and McCain regarding the future of the party.
I hate to tell you, Rico, but Obama was the one encouraging Republicans to be Dems for a day.
And Rush did that same thong in great part to encourage people to do that and vote for Obama so they could knock out Hillary first — long regarded by the right as the stronger candidate.
Later, on the few occasions when Limbaugh did the reverse to tell ‘em vote Hillary it was to keep the contest going on long.
Limbaugh was never out to help Hillary. That is delusional.
That said, I know lots of Republicans who admire Hillary and really did want to vote for her. So much for those ‘Obamicans’ you guys are always touting.
JD,
Why would you hate to tell me that?
I agree that Limbaugh didn’t want to help Hillary, and just wanted to string the contest along. He admitted as much when he encouraged all those dittoheads to vote for her. I, myself, considered voting Clinton for that reason. I ended up voting Paul because I’m more interested in reforming my own party than destroying the dems.
Palin Rumor Site is being hacked this morning … alternately available and suffering from “Internal Server Error”. The site’s owner (Charles Martin) was expecting to be interviewed by Fox News this morning.
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
Now, does anyone not think they’ll hack voting machines?
I hope Hillary stays far away from the Palin fracas
Too bad Obama. Sink baby sink
Nobama Noway Nohow
They should’ve THOUGHT ABOUT they wanted Hillary when they were changing rules to get Obama boy nominated!
They should’ve thought about needing Hillary’s talents on the stump before they disrespected her as a female with great experience to lead the country.
Obama made HIS CHOICES….now he needs to pick up the baton and run the f’n he race! He wants Hillary to go out and attack McCain at the convention….Now he wants her to go out and trash the woman on the other side, because if he does it he’ll look sexist!
LMAO Obama….and the DNC….YOU MADE YOUR BED, LIE IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve also seen many cases where a woman gets passed over for promotion and then three months later when things are all screwed up, she’s expected to clean up the mess for half the pay and one tenth the credit. Usually my advice is to find a new job where you’re appreciated.
Hillary was elected as Senator from New York, nothing more, nothing less. That’s her only job. As far as I know, she was not made the nominee, the vice president, head of the DNC, or Chairman of Obama’s campaign committee or one of his 300 advisors. She doesn’t have to do anything besides serve the people of New York.
Amen, Tristan!!!!
Please Hillary don’t get dirty. Stay away from both McCain and Obama. Let them fight their war. Don’t get involved.
A STUNNING post!!!! Thank you Ani.
Thank you, Ani, for taking the time to say everything I’ve felt about this entire situation for these many months. Obama and the DNC are now forced to occupy the bed they made for themselves. And there’s no room for Hillary! They’ve made that quite clear in so many ways — forging a disastrous path to their own undignified end.
Ani, you are my hero today. Thank you so much for writing this post. I’d like to quote many of the things you said, but this one was my favorite:
‘Well here’s a hot flash. Holding Hillary to a higher standard than Barack is sexism, too.”
I really admire people like you who can write so well. Many thanks for saying what needed to be said.
This election is over. Hillary supporters need to start planning how we are going to help her win in 2012.
Hillary 2012!
I agree except that there is still that pesky task of ensuring Oblahblah loses, first.
true, true!
With an Oblahblah loss, all this means is that we have to wait another four years to get her in office. She’s worth the wait and I look forward to having her sign up in my yard again.
I still haven’t taken my Hillary sign off my door. It will stay there for the next four years. I also have a lovely new bumper sticker, “Don’t blame me, I voted for Hillary,” that I bought from Cafepress.
Hussein is asking BILL CLINTON out to Lunch spet 11,I wounder what that is all about.Do you think Hussein wants some help from BILL!!!!
“Rich,NY | 2008-09-08 14:37:04
Hussein is asking BILL CLINTON out to Lunch spet 11,I wounder what that is all about.Do you think Hussein wants some help from BILL!!!!”
I am afraid that Bill is next on the campaign trail
for Obama.
I guess all the above arguments will be repeated.
Sorry, I don’t like it, don’t like it at all!!!
Yeah, I was talking to a panicked Democrat yeterday who actually believes that it is incumbent upon Hillary and Bill to save Obama’s butt now that it’s in a great big ol’ sling. The irony of this train of thought was too much for me to handle and I gave her a real piece of my mind. I hope Bill tells Oblahblah exactly what he thinks of the slimeball and then passes him a good stiff drink — because he’s gonna need it!
I think Hillary should stay out of it and disappear on a long vacation.
Hillary is what hasn’t happened to Palin yet. Timing is everything.
Governor Palin has a 93% approval rating! (On eBay.) She should add that to her extensive resume.
You such an insufferable, petulant little troll.
In your dreams, pal! Hillary won’t be saving your messiah’s butt! No Way, No How, No Wanna Obama!!!!
I WOUNDER IF OLBERMANN and MATTHEWS FEELS ANYTHING RUNNING DOWN THEIR LEGS NOW!!!!!
LOL!!!!!!!
The old yellow river, perhaps?
I am going to name myself from here on out what I really am, and that is a Clintonista. Like many of you here on this board I had hoped that Hillary Clinton, with Bill in tow, would be our president for the next eight years, by the end of which the last would have seemed a nightmare. Instead, the nightmare continued with the dnc wresting the party from our hands, giving it over to barky, and thus doing what I never thought possible, disenfranchising as many of us as they could, out of hate, jealousy and fear, and now look what they have wrought in it’s place. As far as I’m concerned Hillary doesn’t owe either of these camps a thing. I thought Chicago’s motto was politics ain’t bean bag? Well, this ain’t no damned daycare center with a bunch of tiny tots in a sandbox either. This is real life, with adult situations, something the dnc seems to have forgotten. I don’t believe that Hillary necessarily has to trash Sarah per se. There are ways of calling attention to someone’s record without trashing them, something barky should have learned a long time ago. And why must she win the presidency and hand it over to his ass? Can’t he win it on his own? He was man enough to put up a finger at Hillary, to accuse her of racism, to fling all manner of sexist abuse at her, and now he wants her to be a good little mommy and save him? Well, fuck his damn ass and the bean bag he rode in on, and hopefully will ride back to Chicago on, too. I’m sure that she will do what she has to do, she has no other choice, But this ignorant fool needs to get out there and save his own damn ass and stop begging for other to do so having trashed them beforehand.
I heard Hillary excertp on NPR news as saying, like her convention refrain, but with a name added:
“No way, No McCain and No Palin”
Don’t know if that was the extent of her criticsm of Palin or not. I know she had the refrain before, but kind of hurt to hear her add Palin.
Another way to look at it: That’s what the Obama campaign wanted to hear from Hillary, and it meets the minimum requirements for criticsm of the Republican ticket.
How do you all feel when you hear her say that?
I don’t care, she isn’t running now. Will do whatever it takes to keep O out. When and if Senator Clinton runs again, she can count on me, meanwhile, I’ll judge O, and his supporters and lack of ability to campaign effectively. I’ll vote MCcain/Palin, and I’ll sleep well with my respect for Senator Clinton intact. She hasn’t done anything that calls me to question her; she is voting for whom she chooses, as she supports everyone’s right to vote for whom they see fit.
McKatmoon - Thanks for your perspective, especially how she has the right to vote for whom she chooses (or is obligated to do so). I feel the same way about focus on keeping Obama out, and inclined to support McCain/Palin - a first, since I’ve never voted for a Republican Presidential ticket.
Like I said, seems the comment was a minimum necessary challege to the ticket, and not personal.
Great Post!
I don’t care either. Hillary is out of the race for this GE. She’s probably just part of a larger behind the scenes restructuring of the party.
Obama needs to go down in political flames all by himself. He’s well on his way.
The 2008 GE was decided the day Sarah Palin was announced as VP.
Now all of the fates need to conspire at once - Berg lawsuit, Rezko singing to the feds, polls swinging to McCain, Obama flip-flopping, Nigerian money being seized, Michelle offending more people, etc, etc, etc.
Once and for all, America will be rid of a socialist empty suit.
Ani, good work.
After 35 years in public service, I feel sure that Senator Clinton knew what she was facing when she decided to run…with one exception.
There is no way that she and Bill expected the racism charges! Sexism, they absolutely had to know that was coming!
I really admire her still, and wish her the very best, but since she already represents the largest constituency in the country, I don’t know why she would want Majority Leader!
Yes, it is considered an honor, but I have seen the petty infighting in the Senate, and I would not want to referee these petulant brats!
Hillary is in a conundrum. She feels because of her pledge that she still has to stump for Obama, but, on the other hand, she still is very much a significant, highly respected world leader in her own right. Because much of her career has been devoted to women and women’s rights (her work with the women of this country, Ireland and her famous speech for women in the country of China) I believe she will come out with a statement which addresses the sexism that will be simple, classy but powerful and will probably be directed in general terms - not accusing any specific group or individuals. Contrary to to being accused of whining - Hillary actually rarely pointed out the rampant and blatant sexism that was targeted towards her. She mentioned it a couple of times and when even those statements were twisted and turned around & used against her, she gave up - they just refused to validate it. But because Hillary has always stood up for others, I just believe in my gut that she will come out with something. But what do I know?
I agree that “not accusing any specific group or individuals” is classy. I see that class from Hillary a lot, these days. I just don’t see it here.
That’s our girl, Senator Hillary Clinton.
A Hillary vs. Sarah smackdown? Don’t bet on it
Sep 8, 7:52 PM (ET)
By BRENDAN FARRINGTON
KISSIMMEE, Fla. (AP) - Anyone wanting a Hillary vs. Sarah smackdown might be in for a letdown. First, Sarah Palin launched her Republican vice presidential campaign with praise for the strides Hillary Rodham Clinton made in her quest for the Democratic presidential nomination. On Monday, Clinton spoke in kind.
“It is a great accomplishment,” Clinton said of Palin’s selection as the GOP’s first female running mate. Clinton told a rally of 500 that the election will be decided on issues, not the historical significance of the candidates, and Democrat Barack Obama and his running mate Joe Biden bring more to the table than the Republican ticket.
“Women as well as men make their decisions after they weigh the evidence,” Clinton said. “As Americans go into that voting booth, what they have to ask themselves is not so much who am I for, as who is for me? And I don’t think it’s an even close question that we have the ticket that is going to do the best job in restoring the American promise.”
About the most she’d say about Palin is that she and Republican presidential candidate John McCain “are not the change that we need.”
Former Clinton adviser Howard Wolfson is dismissing any notion the Obama campaign would dispatch Clinton to take on Palin, as much as he thinks some people would revel in seeing the two strong women butt heads.
“Don’t hold your breath,” he wrote in his New Republic blog. “Clinton-Palin might drive ratings and sell magazines, but it wouldn’t be good for the Democratic Party, or the cause of women’s rights. Some might enjoy the spectacle, but don’t expect Hillary Clinton to play along.”
Clinton said: “I didn’t run because I was a woman but I was very conscious of the fact that my campaign meant a lot to so many, and I appreciate that. But this election is about the two parties, and the two presidential nominees, where they stand, what they would do, what our country needs right now.”
And she said the Democratic ticket is the one that “will fight to revitalize the economy and create jobs and make college affordable and enable hardworking Americans to be able to afford both a gallon of gas and a gallon of milk.”
It was Clinton’s second campaign swing through Florida since she conceded the Democratic primary to Obama. She told supporters it will be a critical state in November, and one that has been harder hit than most by unemployment and home foreclosures.
She later addressed nearly 1,600 members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, which endorsed her last year. Clinton asked them to help Obama now.
So far polls have found few signs that women who backed Clinton in the primary would cross over to vote Republican in large numbers. Even so, Palin has been the talk of the presidential campaign for a week and the Obama campaign has seemed unsure what to do about her.
Now commenting from the sidelines, Wolfson said each day the Democrats focus on Palin is a day they are not driving home the message that McCain just represents four more years of President Bush.
He warned against giving in to “an obsession in our popular culture with the ‘cat fight,’ an offensive term that describes the spectacle of two well-known women fighting with one another.”
At least one Clinton supporter tried instigating that fight during a Tampa rally later Monday, interrupting her speech with a shout of “Tell us about Palin!”
Clinton didn’t take the bait.
“You know what? I don’t think that’s what this election is about. This election is about the differences between us and the Republican Party,” she said to cheers from the crowd of more than 1,000. “Anybody who believes that the Republicans, whoever they are, can fix the mess they created probably believes that the iceberg could have saved the Titanic.”
At a news conference afterward, she took a slight jab at Republicans for not putting a woman on the ticket sooner.
“The Democrats did it in 1984,” she said, referring to Geraldine Ferraro, Walter Mondale’s running mate. “It took a while, but the Republicans got around to doing it this year. And I think that’s a great milestone for us as a nation, but that’s not the determinant as to who should be our president.”
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080908/D932RNEO0.html
It is true that Palin started out by praising Hillary, but that did not play well to the republican crowd, and she had to cut it out. She doens’t make those comments in front of republicans any more.
The problem, of course, is Senator Clinton’s ongoing support for abortion rights. Palin’s base won’t abide that hand has hated both of the Clintons for quite a while now.
I think Clinton makes a fair point about the Titanic, although, I suspect most here would disagree with her assessment. This is another reason why I suspect that many here are no dems.
Wrong, Rico.
I’ve been a Dem all my life as has my husband. We registered as Indies on June 7th — the day Hillary suspended and the day it was clear that the DNC had thrown fair reflection, common sense and decency out the window to rig this election for that empty suit, cheating, lying, incompetent fraud.
Country before Party.
I will not allow myself to throw everything I believe in out the window just because Obama calls himself a Democrat. Character is as character does. His words are meaningless — his actions show he is not true Democrat and I will not vote for him.
I hope that clarifies the butter a little and I am sure many on this site feel as I do.
You suspect wrong. I have been a Democrat since 1976. I left the party after it became apparent that the nomination process was rigged. I can live with a bad choice duly nominated, e.g., Kerry, Dukakis. What I cannot abide is an extremist choice shoved down my throat.
You can have the former Democratic Party and the plastic man they’re running. He’s all yours.
Ani, thank you so much for this.
Hillary has every right to protect her political career and do whatever it takes to keep herself relevant and at the centre of Democratic politics and if that means campaigning for Obama then so be it. She hasn’t spent the last 30-odd years of her life working for the Democratic party to throw it away on a pointless stand which will consign her to history’s dustbin (mind you I’m sure there are plenty of Obama-Democrats desperately hoping she would do something exactly like that).
November 5th is the day this story will play out and we will see Hillary Clinton’s long-term position as well as Democratic voters’ response to their party’s appalling woman-hatred. In the meantime she has to be a loyal Democrat. The people berating her and whining about her need to get off her back and let her do her job. If they want to do something to change Democratic politics they should do it themselves. Hillary Clinton is wonderful, but she’s not a one-woman army. She of all people understands the importance of working together and creating allies even with the people who have done you the most damage. It’s what has made her a successful politician.
I strongly respect and admire Hillary Clinton. She’s a feminist and a strong, mature, healthy adult. I respect and admire Sarah Palin. She, too, is a feminist and a strong, mature, healthy adult. Both are worthy of admiration. They make their choices, and they live with the consequences, as responsible, mature, healthy adults do. Both appear to have a strong work ethic.
Barack Obama is an immature adolescent with a clear psychopathology [he is a narcissistic personality disorder, folks, no doubt about it].
I can’t vote for Clinton in November. So, I’m voting for McCain/Palin in November.
Amen. I am with you there.
thank you ani for such an informative post! unfortunately, there are stupid hillary supporters as well as obambi supporters who no matter how much knowledge and information you give them they can’t seem to “get it”. they can’t seem to understand that all is not what it appears to be. they can’t understand what goes on behind the politcal scenes and how politics work. hillary and bill know what they have to do. leave them alone. they need support and understanding. not anymore haters.
Absolutely.
It is very alluring to think Hillary can just strike a blow for justice with her sword in the air and decry these DNC cheaters from the highest hill, but in the current climate, this would get nowhere.
The media would just have continued to excoriate her with some “sore loser” crap”. ‘look — now she’s ruining the Dem. Party.’
She is also still trying to get down-ticket Dems elected.
It is not the time to strike. Would that it were.
exactly. thank you again so much for the excellent post. God bless you!
And you, texaslatina. Truly.
Apropos of nothing, I am still waiting for a journalist out there to grow some integrity and report fairly on this election. And stand up in a loud voice to declare “the emperor has no clothes.” How about a Dem elder? Now there is something to pray for. Nothing else seems to be working. But I will not hold my breath.
The only ones who have been laying this out in a somewhat fair way have been Lou Dobbs and Greta Van Susteren.
The rest, koolaid sippers and corporate shills, who likewise wish to trash Hillary and miss no opportunity to drag he back into the fray.
Her courage and “testicular fortitude” is truly amazing. The one thing I have found to be happy about in this mess is that I think Hillary now truly knows the breadth, depth and strength of the 18,000,000 who supported her.
It is cold comfort, perhaps, but I think it truly touches her how many people were furious at this fraud and absolutely refuse even now, or in November for that matter, to fall into line.
Thank you so much for answering what I consider to be attacks against Hillary and for doing so in an articulate, intellegent way. The last few days have been disturbing and perplexing on noquarter. I expected, after the conventions were over, to see debate or insults flying between Republicans and obots and instead, standing between the two, is Hillary Clinton being told what she should do or say and both still trying to use her a whipping post.
Maybe it is too soon for this, but I hope something will be written at the approiate time about Techdude and Texasdarlin’s fate, the hostage taker in NH, the fire in Terre Haute, the threats against Tubbs Jones and Shelia Jackson Lee, the murder of Bill Gwarteny and the ongoing effort to discredit Charlie Rangel in the press. Rangel is still in the news, but there has been no new information on the other topics (that I have been able to find). Also the disgusting video by Paula Jones and Jennifer Flowers and the article in Vanity Fair right before the final primaries.
Thanks again for expressing the thoughts of many here.
Thanks, Elise.
Your comments are always insightful and helpful as well. I truly appreciate your ‘voice’ here.
Very insightful and thoughtful, Ani.
Hillary would do well to read this herself while on a beach sipping a cool one.
She’s not our mother. We need to stand up for her as friends do for each other, for she has been our friend as well as an inspiration.
As for Obutthead, he needs to pull his head out of his *** and fight his own battles, but we all know he’s as capable of that as he is of having an original thought.
Axelrod must use that wonderful line from G.I. Jane, which I’m sure he plagerizes like his candidates, when he talks to Ob, “When I want your opinion Barack, I’ll give it to you”.