The AP Portrays Palin As Hawkish On War With Russia
By NancyA on September 12, 2008 at 3:30 PM in ABC News, Associated Press, Current Affairs, Sarah Palin
The Associated Press (AP) in one short paragraph portrayed Palin as hawkish on war. This statement was meant to grab mainly men, I believe. My opinion heralds back from the days I was in Indiana volunteering for Hillary Clinton. The one theme I heard from quite a few men was they didn’t like Hillary because she sounded hawkish on Iran! When the AP did this they were reaching out to a specific demographic. (Another friend feels the AP was reaching out to mothers with draft age kids, we differ in our opinions.)
This is what the AP had to say just 33 minutes after the 1st part of the ABC interview ended:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin left open the option Thursday of waging war with Russia if it were to invade neighboring Georgia and the former Soviet republic were a NATO ally. “We will not repeat a Cold War,” Palin said in her first television interview since becoming Republican John McCain’s vice presidential running mate two weeks ago. Palin told Charles Gibson of ABC News that she’d favor including Georgia and Ukraine, both former Soviet republics, in NATO despite opposition by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. Asked whether the United States would have to go to war with Russia if it invaded Georgia, and the country was part of NATO, Palin said: “Perhaps so.”
More misinformation on the part of the media. Palin did not leave open the option of going to war with Russia. What she showed was her knowledge of our contract with North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Our contract with NATO is part and parcel of the history of NATO.
I am about to give the AP a lesson on our contract with NATO. I am supporting Palin’s knowledge of NATO. She did her homework, I don’t believe for a minute that she was force fed this “history” lesson by the McCain camp. Palin has shown she is a quick study.
Here is the history of NATO from Wikipedia:
The Treaty of Brussels, signed on 17 March 1948 by Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, France and the United Kingdom is considered the precursor to the NATO agreement. The treaty and the Soviet Berlin Blockade led to the creation of the Western European Union’s Defence Organization in September 1948.[6] However, participation of the United States was thought necessary in order to counter the military power of the USSR, and therefore talks for a new military alliance began almost immediately.
These talks resulted in the North Atlantic Treaty, which was signed in Washington, D.C. on 4 April 1949. It included the five Treaty of Brussels states, as well as the United States, Canada, Portugal, Italy, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. Support for the Treaty was not unanimous; Iceland suffered an anti-NATO riot in March 1949 which may have been Communist-inspired. Three years later, on 18 February 1952, Greece and Turkey also joined.
“The Parties of NATO agreed that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all. Consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense will assist the Party or Parties being attacked, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.”
Such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force does not necessarily mean that other member states will respond with military action against the aggressor(s). Rather they are obliged to respond, but maintain the freedom to choose how they will respond. This differs from Article IV of the Treaty of Brussels (which founded the Western European Union) which clearly states that the response must include military action. It is however often assumed that NATO members will aid the attacked member militarily. Further, the article limits the organization’s scope to Europe and North America, which explains why the invasion of the British Falkland Islands did not result in NATO involvement.
As you can see Palin understands our requirements under NATO agreements made back in 1949.
After the September 11th attacks one article that had never been invoked before was invoked. The scope of the loss at The Twin Towers was international, we lost people from our country and people from other countries. Article 5 in short says the following:
The September 11 attacks caused NATO to invoke Article 5 of the NATO Charter for the first time in its history. The Article says that an attack on any member shall be considered to be an attack on all. The invocation was confirmed on 4 October 2001 when NATO determined that the attacks were indeed eligible under the terms of the North Atlantic Treaty.[20] The eight official actions taken by NATO in response to the attacks included : Operation Eagle Assist and Operation Active Endeavour. Operation Active Endeavour is a naval operation in the Mediterranean Sea and is designed to prevent the movement of terrorists or weapons of mass destruction as well as to enhance the security of shipping in general. It began on October 4, 2001.
NATO has changed quite a bit since 1949. It has been used outside Europe and North America, most notably in Afghanistan. The membership has changed as well over the years but we are still by treaty with NATO required to fulfill certain duties. That was the point Governor Sarah Palin was trying to drive home. Palin was spot on with her assessment. If Georgia was a member of NATO, we would be required to do defend Georgia against an attack by another country like Russia by treaty, a 60 year old treaty. And for no other reason. Palin never said implicitly or overtly that we would go to war with Russia.
It is my sincere wish that the media report on facts not on innuendo. AP is making a false charge here. If their reporting was factual in full, they would have stated that we would be required to stand up for Georgia if they were a member of NATO by treaty! Alas once again AP wants us to see one thing in print, directly influencing the presidential campaigns and polling data.
The AP should be ashamed!
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Media too tough on Palin
From an ex-Clinton aide:
This is a good read. FTA: one in five Hillary voters will not support Obama. what’s that, about 4 million voters?
“I think here the media is on very dangerous ground. I think that when you see them going through every single expense report that Governor Palin ever filed, if they don’t do that for all four of the candidates, they’re on very dangerous ground.”
Thank you, Mark Penn. Let’s start with looking at all of Obobo’s records. Has he coughed any of them up yet?
Obobo will never release his records. He’s such a punk. The media wants to know about Palin’s water breaking, but Obama’s days with Khalid al-Monsour?
No worries.
New McCain ad targeting Latinos and recent immigrants:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SOgoIh9jFU
This is the second spot Team McCain has released today which is specifically aimed at Latino voters.
They are going all out for CO and NM (and other states) with these ads, and I LOVE it!
Note: McCain just put out an ad on the stem cell issue as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-2ayFo3BXs
Team McCain is setting them up, and knocking them down.
Fantastic.
Here is the first spot targeted to Latino voters which Team McCain released today. It is in Spanish, and is named ‘Which Side Are They On?’:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ktp77C03o
Excellent, Paul.
Thanks, once again.
McCain needs to get Obama’s record out to the Hispanic voters.
When the 2000 Census showed more Hispanics and Asians were moving into Chicago but the number of African
Americans were declining, Obama made this statement to the Chicago Defender newspaper:
“While everyone agrees that the Hispanic population has grown, they cannot expand by taking African-American seats.”
Obama’s Democratic Party: Home of Sexism, Misogyny, Racism, and the Glass Ceiling for Women
This is key, Pink Panther. I forgot about this. We need to send this to McCain’s camp.
Pink Panther-
Do you have link or source details for this quote? People need to know this.
Thanks for pointing this out.
i could kiss John mcCain. there goes your completly staunch prolife theory. Go mccain go!
I suspect the actual number is higher than that.
And AP is one of the offenders. I remember seeing video clip of a “journalist” saying that perhaps Barry isn’t bouncing in the polls because America is not mentally ready for a Black president (he was speaking with a British accent nonetheless). No facts, no surveys to back up with claim…just a statement from a hack.
MSM, RIP.
Yes, one in 4 Hill voters will support Mac!
Young voters from 18 to 29 are shifting over to McCain and it’s the Palin effect that explains the shift. They are significant and leaving Obama with not enough excited youthful voters.
Obama actually said, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.” Whew. That one will add several points to the McCain-Palin column. “Holy Sow!” He called her a pig!
Even Camille Paglia, a strong Obama supporter, is waxing rhapsodic over Sarah Palin. Paglia calls her “a new style of muscular American feminism”; a “brash ambassador from America’s pioneer past”; an “optimistic pragmatist like Ronald Reagan.”
The Washington Post has “Palin Energizing Women From All Walks of Life.” In particular, white women with children at home give Palin a favorable rating of 80 percent.
WE WARNED DONKEY NUTS AND PELOSI BUT DID THEY LISTEN? naw naw naw
Obama community organizations registered them to vote. But they don’t like liars. What’s funny. They’ll also become FOX viewers.
a new style of muscular American feminism
And the wild west was tamed by who?
Annie Oakley! LOL
I hope the media gets a spanking!
Maybe we can sue the media for malpractice??
I really can’t tell this enough.
Telling lies about Sarah is reporting.
Telling truth about Obama is racist.
That’s what this election has been reduced to.
EXACTLY!
Last year I read the book “The One Percent Doctrine: Deep Inside American’s Pursuit of It’s Enemies Since 9/11″ (Ron Suskind) Amazon link: http://books.google.com/books?id=gV3m6sYhnrsC&dq=the+one+percent+doctrine&pg=PP1&ots=6HoIJaZQh1&sig=TeaaMhsTGkKRAJ2r4Xq7U7I77cQ&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA19,M1
The main message of the book is the pre-emptive stance taken by Dick Cheney in dealing with America’s enemies. What Suskind shows in his research is Cheney’s belief that if an enemy state has even a one percent motivation (or chance) of striking a blow against the U.S., that is justification for a preemptive action by the U.S. Chilling, actually.
I don’t think will work against Governor Palin, nor with McCain. BOTH have kids in the military AND in Iraq. McCain’s military experience also adds credibility. All of this credibility can’t be matched by mere words and anyone with half a brain will not fall for the ’she’s a hawk and wants to get kids killed’ theme. It is simply not believable.
Chavez invited Russian strategic bombers to Venezuela this week.
Chavez is now throwing out U.S. ambassadors and stating diplomatic relations will resume when America gets leadership he likes. Chavez has endorsed Obama.
If anyone remembers the Cold War, well, it’s coming back thanks to Putin. We need someone who talks tough with Russia. Putin, former head of the KGB, will not respect anyone that is soft.
Many may recall that Obama did not initially condemn Russian when it invaded Georgia. Putin and Chavez will run all over Obama (and America). Of course, Obama may invite it.
that is freaking frightening. People may say awwwww it’s just conspiracy theory, but facts are facts. I do remember the cold war. Saw movies about a nuclear war. My classmates at UC Santa Cruz wanted to stockpile cyanide so we could take our own lives in the case of nuclear war (nope didn’t support that). Will Barry be able to prevent this? Can he stand up to Putin?
sorry meant to add, HELL NO!
Hey Gal from Tex….Barky jest aint’ tough enuf…Hope you don’t have folks in the path of Ike…I’m from Texas and I must say Perry has stunned me with COMPETENCE in this crisis….who knew ?
We’re in the metroplex and we’ve tied down all the patio furniture that loves to fly around in windy conditions. I’ve been watching the news and Texas City is under water. And well..storm surge backs up the sewers in Houston so they’ve got a heck of a weekend ahead of them.
Gal from Tex,
Chavez also is threatening to cut off oil exports to the U.S. until a new President is in office. The U.S. is the biggest buyer of Venezuelan oil, which accounts for 90% of the South American country’s exports. However, today Venezuela’s bonds plunged to their lowest levels since 2004.
On another note of connection between Obama and Chavez, you may recall that in April 2008, Obama supporter Bill Richardson visited with Chavez.
Remember the Che Guevara flag flying in Obama’s campaign office in Texas? Well, Chavez’s government intalled an 8-foot glass tall plate bearing Guevara’s image in Caracas last year.
Chavez has stated that Guevara is a model socialist for all Venezuelans and named a state-funded adult education program “Mission Che Guevara.” Murals of Guevara are common in Venezuela.
It appears Chavez and Obama have a common admiration for Che Guevara.
Don’t forget the computers captured earlier this year by Colombian soldiers which contained information that Chavez expects to see more help if Obama is elected President become Obama is most aligned with the Colombian Marxist group, Revolutionary Armed Forces of Columbia, or FARC.
Of course Chavez is going to do all he can to help Obama get in office.
Something is up with Bolivia too, our gov just sent home their ambassador to the US…
I can’t believe that anyone would try and make a big deal out of this. For one thing, if Russia were to invade a NATO member, then we’re obligated to go to war to defend them. NATO’s charter very clearly states that an attack on one alliance member will be regarded as an attack on all alliance members. There’s no wiggle room here whatsoever. None.
Apparently some people would feel safer believing that if Russian tanks rolled across the border into Poland or Hungary, President Obama would call up Premier Putin to talk it over first. I’m certainly not one of them. The Russians need to understand that if they attack a NATO member, it will mean war and they will get their asses kicked. If they truly believe this to be the case, they won’t be tempted to try anything. But if they perceive western resolve … in partcular American resolve … to be weak, it dramatically increases the odds that they’ll miscalculate and make an aggressive move to try and re-establish their Cold War “sphere of influence”.
Now, if Russia invades Georgia before Georgia becomes a NATO member, then the situation is less clear-cut. But I even then, I think that the west would have to mount some kind of military response. So, I see Palin’s answer of “Probably so” as appropriate.
This is precisely why electing Barack Obama as president could be disasterous. The world almost incinerated itself in 1962 because Nikita Kruschev believed John Kennedy to be weak. Think he would have tried putting those missiles in Cuba with Richard Nixon in the White House? If Barack Obama is elected, you can almost guarantee that America’s enemies will seek to test him right off the bat.
Actually, I’ll take part of what I just posted back. I wasn’t aware that NATO’s charter did not explicitly require a miliary response to an attack against one of its members. (Hat tip to NancyA) So, given that, Sarah Palin’s response of “Possibly so” can be seen as the most technically correct one.
However, in practical terms, the Russians (Soviets) have always believed that the response from NATO would be a military one. IMHO, it’s best that they keep thinking that way.
http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/media-bias-on-display-look-how-differently-gibson-treats-soetorobama-versus-palin/
IS IT FAIR AND BALANCED YOU DECIDE?
PALIN ON ABC?
OBAMA ON ABC?
Men stick together. It’s a fraternity, regardless of race.
WAAAA. poor poor Sarah cannot stand the heat from CHAAAAARLIE GIbson and she expects to get respect from world leaders that hate us with all their might ?? time for a babba, binki, and banki. Night night, sarah and the GOP yellowbacks.
I agree with you, Obama is an idiot!
If Obama is an idiot then McBush is [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]
Obama is an educated man while Mcdouche is a bottom of class loser along with his sidekick the Lipsticked [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] who only has a BS in Journalism. Why do the GOP alwasy pick [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] for their ticket??
Wow, you’re another class act. You guys don’t get the thing about respecting people do ya? You might want to work on your anger and see why Obama is tanking in the polls. Could it be because of classless people like you who represent Obama?
Hahaha, you are soo correct! Your incredibly deft logic has persuaded me to vote for the better candidate. Thank you! You have accomplished much in your visit here, make sure you tell the drones that when you return to the safety of fairy tale land.
I am now voting for McCain! Thanks again!
Oh, DAM IT !!!! i knew i should have kept my mouth shut…DUH….. are you people really that STUPID ????
Didnt we already try a dumbass in the whitehouse?? and look where that got us. America cannot survive another 4 years of GOP incompetance, greed, and hate.
I was a McCain voter until schmog’s comment, now i am voting for the smart guy with real policies.
keep it up shit for brains, every you time you open your piehole you are sending more voters to McCain and Palin. LMAO…so YOU are the STUPID one.
oh man..lay off the prescription drugs and maybe you’ll see clearer. Saying all republicans are like Bush is like saying all democrats are like Obama. And I would say you’ve always been and always will be an Obambi fan.
I can smell your flop sweat from here.
Barkey’s going down, deal with it.
hi larry…
i am on your site too many hours a day and i’ve turned many people onto your wonderful, informative site, including my 76 year old democrat mother (independent come nov 5), who has just learned to use a computer and spends hours reading your blog.
i’m writing today to complain about an extremely offense [ADMINISTRATOR: PLEASE DON'T REPEAT THESE REPUGNANT COMMENTS] it is so offensive to me i can hardly see as i’m typing. i am a woman and have just about had it up to HERE with all the sexist bull. please ban this poster. thank you and thank you so much for your site. it is soothing salve for my soul.
regards,
hilldemgoneindie
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I agree! Larry, please ban this sorry excuse for a human!
Thank you!
THANK YOU
And they are wondering why women aren’t flocking home to that kind of love.
You represent your classless leader well.
You are perhaps the most ignorant trash that has posted here ever. Dubious distinction, but earned, I think. Congratulations.
“If Obama is an idiot”
If? What rock did you just crawl out from under, moron. You are just as much of an idiot as Obama. I’ve seen enough of this ivy league school crap being substituted for intelligence. Obama gets in on affirmative action and manipulates marxist professors for passing grades while smoking dope with them.
What has Obama done in the real world?
1. Community organizer: A nothing job where Obama had no significant accomplishments.
2. Lawyer: Obama had no significant accomplishments and was described as “average” by the senior members of his own law firm.
3. Part time law professor: Obama had no significant accmoplishments.
4. State senate: No significant accomplishments. Biggest claim to fame is voting “present” 130 times and pressing the wrong button 6 times.
5. US Senate: No significant accomplishments. The vast majority of his time was spent running for president.
Obama is an elitest who spent his time in college associating with radical marxist professors and moved to Chicago to associate with radical nuts.
Obama is so out of touch with the average citizen I don’t know why anyone would vote for someone that they cannot even begin to relate to.
THIS is the biggest reason I cannot vote for Obama. I always say, if you can’t decide who to vote for, look at their supporters and see what they are like and how they conduct themselves. YOU are an example of the type of supporters I saw a lot of for Obama. DECISION=GO FOR MCCAIN.
yep. I knew from watching comment sections online that I would never vote for Obama or Romney, for that reason alone. They have/had the nastiest supporters.
yeah, but he smokes too much crack…now he is a fool.
Can you tell me if BHO graduated or was just given a degree because he was black. I have not read anything about his marks or standing in his graduating class.
I’d say this post is pretty much at the maturity level of most Obama supporters, which is to say about the 4th grade.
ITA w/ hilldemdoneindie and Firefly.
McCain/Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
oops..I meant hilldemgoneindie…sorry.
McCain/Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
haha!! it’s ok, sometimes i’m “done” too.
peace out.
mccain/palin ‘08
puma
Yay! Another Obama supporter her to appeal to us ladies! I like this one a lot….except I think it for got to call us all racists.
Oh well, I look forward to many insightful comments to come!
It’s time for trolls like you to go back to the dark crevasses of hell, continue drinking from the sewage ponds and associate with the other bottom feeders.
PCSL:
You are without doubt the most worthless piece of S@#% that’s ever come to post on this site.
It’s too bad your mother didn’t believe in abortion. You are taking up space better served by real, decent people.
Crawl back under your rock and think seriously about the name you’ve chosen to post under.
This is a serious site for serious minded people. You’re not one of them. You should be banned for your name alone.
This person should be banned. The username is tasteless and offensive.
I guess there is always a poor minion obamanut trying to save his or hers savior. Unfortunately, the decsions that Obama has made in these election has shown that he is for change” yes changing his mind everyday”. Get over it. The polls are reflecting the strong grassroots and yes the “white bitter clinging to religion and guns” people. Or didn’t you think they vote too. Let us not forget the senile old folks like us too.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j68SkWgCf8M4i5-tTT2H6c58XgvQD933CKS80
NEW HAMPSHIRE DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATOR ENDORSES JOHN MCCAIN
For Immediate Release
Contact: Press Office
Friday, September 12, 2008
603-369-8744
MANCHESTER, NH — The McCain-Palin campaign today announced that New Hampshire State Representative Doreen Howard, a Democratic legislator from Newmarket, has endorsed John McCain for president. Representative Howard previously supported Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s candidacy.
“As a lifelong Democrat who enthusiastically backed Hillary Clinton in the primaries, I am now supporting John McCain. Like Senator Clinton, McCain values the importance of public service. Both Clinton and McCain put country first and that’s critically important,” said Howard. “John McCain and Sarah Palin are mavericks who have proven they can deliver real reform. As our nation faces challenges at home and abroad, Americans will benefit from their experience, judgment and strong leadership.”
Elected in 2006, Representative Howard is a member of the State-Federal Relations and Veterans Affairs Committee. She represents Newmarket and Newfields.
Representative Howard supported John Kerry in 2004 and Al Gore in 2000.
Wow. That took some political guts.
Bravo, Represeinative Howard.
That woman GETS it.
Democratic Representative Doreen Howard’s endorsement of McCain is indicative of what us PUMAs have been screaming at the top of our lungs for months now.
Ohitler and you trolls can only blames yourselves so go whine elsewhere about this. Then go fuck yourselves. Actually you’ve already done that never mind.
Whoa. Dem legoslator in NH is backing McCain! This says alot. We told ya so pelosi loser pinhead beech.
good for her…she’s got guts and integrity and smart too.
An Obama-Putin meeting would have outcomes that would make the JFK-Krushchev meeting in Vienna look good.
Just how many [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] are the Palin family going to bring into this world??
the over/under is 4
GOP mole we get it.
This ain’t Daily “Kos.”
Who are all these trolls speewing nonsense? They need to stop supporting a loser and get on the Mac & Palin train before they get left out. Didn’t they hear that all the obots are jumping the Obama ship?
As many as G-d bestook on her. For the creation of life is a blessing from G-d. What womb did you come out of? I am sure it was a blessing to your mami.
last time i checked your messiah was also a BASTARD!
or did he write himself a new fiction?
hey back up, you not just insulting obama but his mother. She was young and made a mistake, I’m not going to say I don’t say the samething when i’m alone, but really stanley ann did as best she could, with what she could. obama sr. was much older than she was and it seems to me he took advantage of that.
so what if she was hawkish. We have been letting russia slide.
We should kick them out of the G8.
She was right in her response.
We need Ukraine and Goergia. As the leader of the free world you are expected to lead. Russia deserves punished. Ukraine is absolutely vital to Nato. Goergia is a democracy. We must stand for freedom. No one else will. Any country who chooses to govern with our philosophy who is a friend of ours, goergia had troops in iraq for us.
If we do not stand with those who stand for us and for freedom and democracy, i am not sure what we stand for at all then.
Did anyone read this on Politico?
The “Hard time on “The View” has apparently been pulled. If you happen to have accessed and read this earlier today, can you please post a summary here or email me at matthew@theindependentview.com as I am doing a write up on McCain’s appearance on “The View”.
Thanks,
Matthew
couple of people on savagepolitics were commenting on it.
Here ya go, Matthew:
http://www.workingmannews.com/
I don’t know why McCain would want to show up on that inane program.
You know who else stood up to a KGB, murderous Soviet thug? That small town buffoon Harry S Truman.
remember the Berlin airlift?
Absolutely correct. And Truman had very little national political experience. No foreign policy experience. He was thought to be a Pendergast hack, and he was selected as VP on the basis of one reform committee he ran. Yet history now assesses him as a tough leader.
Interestingly enough, Truman’s public approval ratings at the end of his presidency in 1952 were about where Bush’s are now. At the time, he was widely reviled for his decision to sack Gen. Douglas MacArthur, the “Hero of Manila”, for insubordination, although he was absolutely right to do so.
Somehow, I think that history will be kinder to Bush than his contemporaries have been.
LJ, you are absolutely correct. There is always the possibility that we would have to go to war if another powerful nation becomes too aggressive. It seemed like an accurate answer to me. ANd frankly, I think we would want to avoid a cold war at all costs.
What I wonder is why no one seems to be highlighting her comment that we should work on world relations so that war become a last option.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D935C3600&show_article=1
PALINS HUSBAND MAYBE SUBPOENAED IN TROOPER-GATE
OBAMA MUST BE DROOLING
This will actually be good for Palin. The truth of how this man should not be wearing a badge or toting a gun will come out as well as Palin’s courage to fire him.
I like your take on that it’s positive.
I agree, Troopergate will not be a boon for the Dems. It goes to show how far away from the concerns of ordinary Americans the new DNC and the whackos like Obie and his sidekick Maddie that inhabit the mainstream media really are. Americans want bad cops who hide behind their shields off our streets and off our payroll. And the higher up who protect them and refuse to clean house?- Shit can them too. And honestly , reality check- the MSM is taking the side of a cop who tasered a 10 year old boy and terrorized his wife? WTF! No, No misogyny there.
Looks like Obama’s 300 advisors and band of 30 lawyers are trying to get Palin disqualified. Wow, where have we seen this before? Can this guy not win on his own mertis? Oh thats right….he does not have any!
30 lawyers?? name them?? LIARS !!!
when is Todd going to be a dad and watch his 16 year old daughter?? he and sarah just let her run [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR]every thing in sight. sickening how you glamourize teen pregnancy.
Ban this freak.
Yes, please do ban this person.
you glamourize teen pregnancy.
Like Obama’s mama does?
You really need to stop.
I guess noone was watching Obama’s Mama. And judging by the name you are going by, your Mama must be very proud.
this one doesn’t have a mom.
It was dropped from the mothership.
Please ban this kid..please..they are way over th top and all their peers have left obama and they still don’t know it. Ban this poster!
oh and you know this how? Personal family friend are you? From the name you use I’d peg you as ohhh 15 maybe? Now I know why the PUMAs call you guys trolls. Ugh.
Ah, a lovely visitor from over the pond. Welcome, and please do keep writing your lovely words in support of Barack Obama. I think you will really have a huge effect in attracting votes for him. Well done!
This will backfire and only make it easier to get Ohitler disqualified.
BERG! Get the lawsuit out in the open! Go door to door if you have to!
write a letter to the editor!! Here’s a sample:
Axelrod is a thug and Obama learned to cheat with the best of them.
HuffPo’s big headline that stayed up online overnight was painted Palin as WANTING TO INVADE RUSSIA
Yep. That’s what she said.
I know, pretty scary isn’t it . But dont fret, she has seen Russia from a high mountain in Alaska. we should all feel much better about her saber rattling now. GEESH !!!
Eat barkey shit and die.
LOL….IT’S THE NEW ECO SNACK….BARKYSHIT….PRICELESS…..
So you [DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] , good luck with that.
Anyone monitoring here? Please get the nasty kids off the site.
Obama said he saw it on a map.
We need a strong, experienced person for President.
Relations with Russia are continuing to deteriorate. Russian bombers landed in Venezuela this week for training exercises. The next day, Hugo Chavez gave our ambassador 72 hours to get out of Venezuela. We’re expelling the Venezuelan envoy from the U.S. now.
Those who think Barack Obama will be able to stand up to the Russians are kidding themselves. He folds under pressure.
So FLIP FLOP mccain is steadfast in his leadership ?? what about Sarah[DELETED BY ADMINISTRATOR] Palin?? she makes me feel secure.
Ban this POS.
Or delete his comments. Good enough! Thanks, Administrator.
When Obama was telling that 7 year old girl… that we weren’t so much a great nation anymore… and almost nobody was really listening… Well it was “almost” because Putin was tuning in.
Sad.
Oh, not against the repubs. Obama can try all the stunts he wants, but the repubs will shut him down. He has no idea what he is against. Only the Clintons can stand against the repubs and win. Obama, with his chicago-style politics will get slammed by the repubs. Get the popcorn and watch the fun.
http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/12/palin-obama-should-have-tapped-clinton/
Fresh hot buttered popcorn here!
Lot of whispers on the net Biden to step down and be replaced by Hillary. If the tickets is not Hillary on TOP the it’s McCain/Palin for me. I will NOT bail out Oblah blah
Trust me, Hillary Clinton won’t want any part of this sinking ship. She’s already counting the days until the Democratic primaries start again in late 2011.
“I think he’s regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way — she handled those well,”
~~ Sarah Palin, in the ABC/Charlie Gibson interview.
Hillary will not accept an offer for vp now, it’s too late. That would be very insulting.
God no Hillary is too smart for this. She saw this entire scenario coming.
If Biden does drop out, Obama may go for another female Dem politico, one of his cheerleaders.
Big Dawg said Obama can’t win the GE before he said he can win big. Hahahaha
Obama needs 300 foreign advisers, Palin would need only 3 and base upon the decisions shes made for Alaska I know she would make the right decisions for this country. I would trust her decision before I trust the man who set in a church for 20 years listening to Hate Whitey BS
Hillary will not accept a VP offer.
Just a guess:
I bet that one reason Obama had lunch with Bill Clinton was to have a “man to man” talk about controlling his woman. Just between us guys, can’t you straighten Hillary out and get her to …
Bill’s answer must have been choice. Obama looked real unhappy after lunch with Bill. The reason Obama looked as if he had swallowed a lemon is that Bill read him the riot act about Hillary as a VP candidate.
Just a guess.
Yeah and who offed Gawatney and Jones? What does Obama know about this?
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5789483
Some excerpts from ABC’s second interview. I thought she gave a good answer on the Bridge to Nowhere. Duh. If you are a mayor or guv you don’t turn away free money. That was her job. But she’s joining a team that promises to stop the whole mess.
katmandu…
thanx for the link. ah… can’t wait to see the next installment tonite. she’s good. gibson’s an ass. jmho.
Palin has already shown she has better judgment than Obama, she didn’t sit in a hate filled church, befriend a American terrorist, didn’t hire ACORN to steal and commit vote fraud.
Just released:
48% of likely voters support Obama while 45% are behind McCain
McCain only 3 down in NJ…
I doubt Mccain will take NJ, but polls like these are probably making team Obama’s ulcers grow a bit more than they’d like.
WA state has a similar poll now. Obama will not like it, having to run ads in those states. He ran $9 million worth of ads in FL unopposed, and didn’t move against McCain.
Old topic: The fury about McCain’s houses? I pointed out that the Kerry/Heinzes were much richer. And some mentioned the Kennedys. Today in the Washington Post, right above Doonesbury, which is ragging McCain about the houses, there was an article about the Kennedy clan selling their last two houses in the DC area. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/11/AR2008091103894.html The asking prices — 11.8 mil and 12.5 mil.
I have nothing against people with money — and think the whole issue was dumb. But I wonder if Post readers caught the irony. Ethel Kennedy’s house came on the market 5 years ago for $25 mil–it’s now a bargain at 12.5 mil! Anyone want to cosign my loan application?
The Far Left may have trouble understanding it, but believe it or not, most Americans don’t resent successful people. In fact, most Americans admire them and want to be like them.
This “house” issue was a loser from the get-go for Obambi. The only people it will resonate with are people who were going to vote for him anyway.
I really think the most under quoted line from the RNC was the one made by Huckabee where he said he didn’t become a republican because he was rich… but because he didn’t want to be poor and dependent on the government for help. I believe until now… core America has had no real representation in Washington for some time.
Biden has been a waste at vp, thankfully.
Where is he anyway? He is terrible.
They should have an ad with biden the other daying saying Sarah would be a”backwards step for women”
Democrats, you guys really look like assclowns right now.
Ehemmmm…..BIDEN WHO ? ….chuckle….
I don’t like criticizing Biden. I mean, what on earth could the guy have done? He’s campaigned in FL where he’s popular…he’s trying to make lemonade out of the rotten lemon Howard Dean created.
You mean the Obamacrats. The real Dems the PUMAcrats will rebuild the party towards the center where it belongs.
Exactly, Obama is the figurative “illegitimate child” of the immoral relations between Reid of the senate and Pelosi of the house. He does not represent core America.
If Dems want to salvage the party they’ll have to allow this fiasco to crash. Barack ODumpty cannot be put together again.
McCain can win NJ it’s a tricky state and it’s up for grabs
choke. Um, well, as long as Obama has to actually spend time and dwindling campaign cash there, it’s all good. I saw two polls in a row that had Obama only up 1 in Michigan.
ruh roh Shaggy….that’s some serious trouble
yeah, if McCain start to constantly be that close in places like New Jersey they will be petrified. I think they are now. I bet they have some internal data that is horrifying for them.
If obama has to spend time and money in New Jersey, that means it is over.
Not yet, we keep the pressure on and this cheap suit will buckle.
Obama lost his EV lead this week.
Maybe the trolls should get off the internet and start campaigning for their guy if they are really so committed to their cause.
Just sayin’
naw… let ‘em stay in their basements flailing at their keyboards. they’re comfy there. though i do think they should stock up on comfort foods come november… just sayin’.
mccain/palin ‘08
puma
Sarah Palin on Hillary:
GIBSON: I saw you quoted somewhere as speaking rather admiringly of Mrs. Clinton, Senator Clinton, during the primary campaign. Do you think Obama should’ve picked her?
PALIN: I think he’s regretting not picking her now, I do. What, what determination, and grit, and even grace through some tough shots that were fired her way, she handled those well.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=5789483
Palin knows the party will crash with a switcharoo.
Good. That will give Palin an opening to discuss the issue when it comes across in the Debate. That makes it a predictable question then.
Desperate measures of the BO camp
The race card
The age card(he’ll die in office and Palin will be President)
Troopergate–can’t wait for that one–if theguy did taser his son and abuse his wife I can’t wait for that to be all over the news–she’ll get my support, I wish she would have put him in prison for the rest of his life
Palin’s not ready argument, diminishing her achievements as women in the workplace have experienced over and over
For us liflong Dems the Party’s dead–it’been murdered by Obama’s thugs.
i love the Obots trying to defend a guy who tasered a 10-year old. That is some kinda strat-a-gizing alright.
(where i come from they refer to people like this as “being ate slam-up with the dumbass”)
The DNC must be freaking. Not only are they going to lose the White House in a NO LOSE year, but they may lose congress as well.
Bye Howard, buh bye Donna…buh bye now.
You go Sarah! Shout out to Hillary in Gibson’s interview part 2:
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Sorry if this is a re-post but it pisses me off..
Todd Palin subpoenaed in firing probe
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/524038.html
They’re trying to intimidate her by going after her family.
“nice family you got there. shame if anything should happen to them”
My guess is every person in the family (except Piper and Trig) sat down together a month ago and gave the OK, and got ready to fight together. Todd Palin doesn’t seem like a wimp to me….
I do hope some wealthy GOP attorneys will step up to represent them very cheap. Legal fees can get way out of control very quickly.
A statement has been released saying the dems have hijacked this for political gain…I heard on TV…I will look for it..(not exact words on that quote)
Alaska lawmaker overseeing Palin ‘Troopergate’ probe accused of politicizing investigation
http://article.wn.com/view/2008/09/07/Alaska_lawmaker_overseeing_Palin_Troopergate_probe_accused_o/?section=RegionNAmerica&template=worldnews%2Findex.txt
I think its comical that here we have Palin admiring Hillary singing praises to her, and on the other side all they are doing is looking to dig up dirt on Sarah and her family.
I really did not think Gibson looked like he was expecting that answer from her
Well Hillary has been nothing but respectful of Gov. Palin. Congratulating her and John Mccain on the pick of Palin. Barky and his ilk have been trying to get Hillary to go after Gov. Palin and she steadfastly refuses.
Make no mistake about it, this is Barky and his thugs going after Gov. Palin, the crazed wing of the party. Let’s not bunch all Dems together.
I cannot imagine what anybody here expects from the AP — this is the same sorry bunch that came out with the false story that Hillary had conceded on the morning of June 3rd — WHILE people were just going to the polls in Montana and South Dakota.
What does it say to you that she won South Dakota handily (Obama was supposed to) after being outspent massively. People voted for her ANYWAY — even though, according to the unscrupulous geniuses at AP, she was already out of the race.
Two names — Rupert Murdoch and Sam Zell — on the Board of Directors of AP — big Obama supporters.
http://caffinequeen.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/oh-so-much-news-where-to-start/
More news
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/RCP_PDF/marist_NJ080912.pdf
OBAMA ONLY UP BY THREE IN NEW JERSEY!!!!
Here is a good read…
Whites lift McCain to slim lead over Obama in poll
http://news.yahoo.com/story//ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_ap_poll
there is a lot of info in the piece…
Somehow, I think that history will be kinder to Bush than his contemporaries have been.
Duras, i agree. Politics is a rough business and democrats have turned Bush, ( with ALOT of help from himself and his admin) into a buffoon.
Angry leftists like olbermann call him a murder and say he should be tryed for war crimes.
gimme a break. Bush is just a stepping stone to these pols and reporters careers. Fairly or unfairly they use him to their advantage.
Think of what we could of done as a country over these last few years if partisan bullshit would have been laid aside and the insults would have stopped.
On both sides their is equal blame. Poeple like Barrack Obama are part of the problem.
Poeple like John McCain are the solution.
Yes it is people like KO who stir up hate with their lies.
I was in Texas when Bush was governor. He was not bad as governor. His big agenda was education. Laura Bush was a school teacher and librarian. Remember this… where was Bush when 9-11 happened? In a classroom watching kids read. But history is… what it is.
Sorry to be Off topic:
But has anyone watch the clips of McCain at The View today?? Talk about shilling for Obama and hating Palin…. I never watch them but I remember them drooling when Obama went on and their attitude today was really hideous: making faces, mocking, interrupting and talking over him: Barbara Walters was the worst, followed by Whoopi & Joy …
Yes I saw that…are all media/talk shows in the boat with BO?…it is sinking…they are trying to man the life boats now and McCain/ Palin keep climbing in the polls because of it.
I was appalled at their behavior, grimaces and mockery; not even basic respect: what a lack of professionalism….Disgraceful really.
I know, they would not treat Biden or Obama like that…double standard..
i have a republican friend who works in hollywood. she has to be “in the closet” about the fact that she’s a republican or she WILL. NOT. GET. WORK. it’s that simple. she says the climate there is definitely fascist and marvels that the party (dem) that is supposed to be so inclusive and open has turned out to be the most draconian against anyone, including other dems, who does not fall in line with their racist, misogynist and elite view of the world. sad.
of course, my point is that i think some of the falling all over selves that we see on the telly by people who depend on being “in” in order to get hired, are people trying to prove just how in the tank they are for boy wonder in order to secure their futures.
it’s the new casting couch – how far up obama’s arse can i crawl to prove myself?
mccain/palin ‘08
puma
Yeah, I’m in LA and there seems to be an assumption everywhere that people are for Obama. But when I actually talk to people, you’d be surprised at how few people are actually gung-ho over him.
I watched the YouTube recording over a late lunch and yes, some of the women were up front in their comments, I think McCain handled it with grace and seemed to enjoy the conversation. I may be wrong as I don’t watch this show but I think this did him well. I was actually more impressed with the back and forth McCain did with the women who didn’t care for him as opposed to the woman at the far right of the couch that announced she supported him. She came across to me as a bit lame.
Gibson is a gasbag who was protecting his gentalia and looking all constipated when he interviewed Sarah. I thought he was going to let out a huge f*rt right there on TV. Gibson is mean and hateful. At least he was to Sarah.
Sarah needs to know that all the rumors are just the obots grasping at straws. America loves her!
Heidi Li had me laughing. She wrote that the Dems have a candidate without coat tails. LOL An empty suit without coat-tails. hahahahaha
maverick…
HAHAHAHAHA!!! that’s exactly what i was thinking as i was watching his leg and his face during the
interrogationinterview – gibson had a big one brewing and was trying to keep it from slipping out. pppphhhhfffffflllllhhhhhhht!!thanx!! i needed that.
mccain/palin ‘08
puma
There were some post on another thread about who would BO invite to the White House should be be elected president. Ayers, Wright, and others popped into mind immediately. I am trying to think/remember who McCain might invite who would be an embarrassment us all like Ayers, Wright would be. I can’t think of any anti-americans who support McCain.
The reason I ask is that I am writing a letter to my local paper and need some help to make sure I am correct with my opinion. So please post any anti-american names you folks know that are associated with either BO or McCain.
The trolls should be able to help with the McCain anti-american associates. Here’s your chance guys/gals! lol
Andy
Saw The View. Walters, Behar and Whoopi looked as if they were going to physically start knocking McCain around. Well, they embarassed themselves and showed what they really are–seems like everyone backing Obama is coming down with the “hatred spewing disease.” I wonder why, if she’s such an inexperienced hockey mom with nothing to show for her life than what’s all the fuss, what are they so afraid of? They just can’t stand that BO is not in the spotlight and losing ground fast. It’s the Salem witch trials of the 21st century–she’s the evil one, she’s the one we need to destroy–wow, and we thought all of this was over–if this was the 17th century HIllary and Sarah would be tried and hung by now. This hatred coming from women especially is scary stuff.
In my view (ha), what’s happened is that the email whisper campaign about Palin has really freaked out a lot of people who were already hardcore Obama supporters. Low information liberals who respond to liberal fearmongering but not much fact-wise. With the latest meme that Palin is going to start a nuclear war, they are really literally frightened that McCain and Palin are going to enter the White House and destroy the world.
It’s quite irrational, and not based on any real evidence, but I think this is where it’s coming from.
And don’t forget Donna Brazille stating: Jesus was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a govenor. Do they even know how ridiculous they sound?
BarneyBarry is so far from what Jesus was. Yikes!Not for the Kool-Aid drinkers. He’s The One.
The View was a crock. Barbara Walters asking Cindy McCain how many houses she had was an embarrassment. Let’s not even get into Whoopi asking if slavery would be brought back. Unbelievable. And Joy Behar calling McCain a liar. Compare that to the fawning treatment they gave Michelle Obama. It really makes me sick.
BTW McCain talked again about having dual appearances with Obama instead of all of the negative campaigning, and suggested they ask Obama to be on the show with him, and Barbara snapped back “You give us Palin and we’ll do that.”
I personally think McCain and Palin should just stay off NBC, ABC, and CNN until the election is over. Stick to CBS and Fox. And just shut down Meet the Press by not having any Republicans on. With Russert gone that show is a joke.
“We will not repeat a Cold War”
Idiots. That’s the only thing we did right in the last half century.
Ending it??????
“Ending it??????”
I blame all this ignorance not on you but on MTV, video games and permissive parenting.
The Soviets “ended it”, as you put it, by doing us the favor of collapsing first.
Our economy, not our military, proved to be the means to their demise.
They were simply not able to shovel money into the fire as fast as we could.
LOl sure you right. However, if russia does become communist again. they can have back their middle eastern countries. The soviet union new how to deal with “muslim’ extremist. we *and I’m including myself* don’t have the stomach to do what sometimes has to be done with irrational people, and like i’ve said before any person who believes in most religions are irrational.
I blame all this ignorance not on you but on MTV, video games and permissive parenting.
Russia has always been expansive and in search of buffer states both as a Tzarist Empire and as a Soviet Empire.
This is dictated by it’s resources and it’s geographical location. It is a historical imperative.
Here’s a neat video that rebuts the obots who want to attack Palin’s belief in God:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPwgJ2L2qvI&e
Has anyone noticed how when BO is ahead in the polls RCP has only the top 5 polls listed but when Mcain is ahead they list 10 polls? This dilutes the MCain average lead. When you divide by 10 rather than 5 the five always wins. More of that Dem advantage from the media!
The state by state polls are way behind. If you dig a little deeper, McCain has a +8 lock on Florida and may push VA and OH from toss-up to leaning.
Apologies if this has already been addressed but here goes.
From the article:
More misinformation on the part of the media. Palin did not leave open the option of going to war with Russia. What she showed was her knowledge of our contract with North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). Our contract with NATO is part and parcel of the history of NATO.
In point of fact, it was that very contract that brought the NATO member states into Bush’s “global war on terror”. Bush invoked the relevant article about an attack on one member nation being an attack on all member nations following 9/11. While the UK, France, Germany and Italy had no true moral reason for acceding to the demand (in fact, the NATO clause doesn’t really specify but does seem to mean an attack by a foreign power, NOT a terrorist organization; all the nations I listed suffered various levels of terrorist activities from the 1960s through the 1990s without ever invoking the NATO clause), they did nonetheless agree to consider 9/11 as falling within the terms of their NATO obligations.
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