Is Obama Illegally and Improperly Interfering in U.S. Foreign Policy?
By SusanUnPC on September 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM in Barack Obama, Iraq, National Security, Qualifications
You saw Eastan’s shocking story today, “Treason!” Ed Morrissey adds important perspectives on the credibility of the source, and on how Barack Obama may have illegally and/or improperly overstepped his bounds as a presidential candidate:
[...] Color me skeptical in one aspect of Taheri’s argument. He claims that this would have hypocritically delayed the withdrawal of American troops until 2011, and you have to read the column to see how he calculates that through Iraqi elections and parliamentary procedure. That assumes, however, that an Obama administration would bother to negotiate a drawdown and withdrawal with Baghdad. Obama probably will just pull American troops out of Iraq without worrying about such niceties as a status-of-forces agreement.
Hypocrisy isn’t the issue here; it’s the interference of Obama in military and diplomatic affairs. Just on diplomacy, interfering with the United States in its diplomatic efforts is a Logan Act violation. Interfering with war policy treads on even more serious ground, especially since the primary motivation appears to be winning an election without regard to whether it damages our ability to fight the enemy or drives wedges between us and our ally, the elected, representative government in Baghdad.
Ed continues:
Taheri has had some credibility problems in the past. He falsely accused the Iranian mullahcracy, who really need no help in villainy, of passing dress-code legislation that required religious minorities to wear color-coded clothes. That created a firestorm until reporters reviewed the legislation and found no reference to any kind of requirement for dress identification for Jews, Christians, or Zoroastrians. Taheri offered a weak defense of his story, which was not sourced on the record, and it passed into urban-legend status.
This looks different, if for no other reason than Taheri’s main source goes on the record. Hoshyar Zebari didn’t hide behind a “high-level source in Baghdad” tag for this story. Zebari’s testimony puts the onus on Obama to explain why he attempted to interfere with the Bush administration’s negotiations despite his having absolutely no authority to do so. If Obama wants to negotiate a defeat for America, he needs to wait until Americans elect him to the White House before betraying our allies and our troops in the field.
And don’t miss Eastan’s full article posted here earlier today.
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“Hypocrisy isn’t the issue here; it’s the interference of Obama in military and diplomatic affairs. Just on diplomacy, interfering with the United States in its diplomatic efforts is a Logan Act violation”
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In doing some research, I found it interesting that the Logan Act has been “on the books” since 1799 and there is no indication that anyone has been prosecuted for a Logan Act violation.
Apparently Rush Limbaugh is discussing this story now as it relates to violation of the Logan Act.
When I first heard this story early this morning, I didn’t think anything much would come from it.
I’ve changed my mind. The coverage this story is getting has gone viral. I think this issue will significantly impact Obama’s campaign.
Politico reports that the Obama campaign is contesting the New York Post story by suggesting that Taheri is confusing the Status of Forces Agreement with the Strategic Framework Agreement.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Obama_campaign_contests_Taheri_column.html#comments
The Obama campaign is grasping at straws to refute this story. Their claim is untrue. ABC reported in June this year that Obama has consistently pushed for US Congressional review of both agreements.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5176893&page=1
Obama can’t lie his way out of this one.
The McCain campaign can easily turn this into a devastating TV ad that Obama will have trouble explaining his conduct away to voters.
Excellent questions raised on this issue. I doubt the MSM other than FOX will delve into it though.
Fox is aware of it.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/15/report-obama-tried-to-delay-withdrawal-agreement-of-us-troops/
Didn’t Larry write about this when Obama was helping cousin Odinga? One of the first few posts I read on NoQ.
yes, I read about this before….I can’t believe it isn’t all over the news. He’s a traitor and he shouldn’t be sitting down w world leaders about anything! He is not in charge of anything!!
That’s what made Charlie Gibson’s question to Palin hilarious! “Have you ever met a foreign head of state?” Came up with that because Obambie had gone on his little world tour and actually met one!
Oh, but O’s the pres candidate and Palin the VP. Right.
Right, Gov. Palin is running for the VP slot, and if McCain follows traditional assignments for his VP, then most of the heads of state that Sarah will meet will be dead (at their funerals). But at least she won’t be negotiating treasonous sell-out-the-troops deals with the dead.
This has got to be the craziest elections I have ever witnessed. The presidental candidate Obama is choosing to run against the VP candidate Palin, not McCain. His VP Biden has chosen to run against McCain.
Seems like once politicians in the US stopped honoring the “water’s edge” unwritten code, that moving to direct violations of the Logan Act haven’t been far behind. I wonder if this will go be tolerated by the government and unquestioned by the rest of the major media.
Told you Obama is a shameless manipulative prick. Obame renonouced his own faith, sold his soul, he would say or do anything to get himself in office…….
What else is new? I’m praying that the American People’s gut check and innate good common sense will see thru the MASK.
Rasmussen poll — who’s ready to be president?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/majority_of_voters_say_only_mccain_biden_prepared_to_be_president
Percentage of “yes” responses:
McCain 63%
Biden 50%
Obama 44%
Palin 33%
NY state is close now! Ed Morrissey reported on this on Hot Air, as well.
Seven weeks until Election Day, the race for President has tightened in New York, with Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) leading Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) 46-41 percent among likely voters, according to a new Siena (College) Research Institute poll released today. Obama’s five point lead is down from eight points in August, 13 points in July and 18 points in June, when he led 51-33 percent. On a series of six questions concerning current issues in the campaign – economy, Iraq, terrorism, health care, America’s position in the world, and education – likely voters believe Obama will do a better job on four. Conversely, out of six attributes voters often look at in choosing a candidate – compassion, patriotism, experience, intelligence, integrity, and leadership – New York’s electorate gives the edge to McCain on four.
Obama is exhibiting another pattern of behavior in saying one thing to the American public and another to Foreign Governments in addition to involving himself where he has no right to…
Iraq- troop withdrawl
Canada- NAFTA
FARC- files found indicating a percieved support
from Obama
Khadafi’s endorsement and public announcing of
Obama saying what he needs to to get elected
Hamas endorsement
Great Britian- reports of Obama marketers helping to
sway elections there
Kenya- Obama’s campaigning for Odinga
He believes he’s King of the World, has no respect for our sovereignty.
Treason
-Obama has tried to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
-Obama has close connections to US born terrorists
-Obama is receiving massive illegal overseas donations
-Three of Obama’s church members and two superdelagates have been killed in 2008.
-Obama has not explained trip to Pakistan in 1981 and how he entered that country. (Passport)
-Obama has not proved within reasonable proof that he was not born in Kenya.
-Marxist and communist tax plan largest redistribution of wealth in US history.
-Attempts to silence free speech regarding voting record, raciest anti-white comments and memoirs, Ayers, Resole, and Wright, heavy drug use, homosexuality and Muslim relatives.
-Democratic elect Obama forges US presidential seal in anticipation of seizing power.
-Media has infiltrated election and sponsored our first candidate for American people.
Steven–why is that important at all? I don’t get it. The real issue and crisis we have to deal with now is why Gov. Palin said she was for the Bridge to Nowhere when she took the funds for and put it into her state’s infrastructure fund. We must get to bottom of this at once!! And what’s this about there being TWO Bridges to Nowhere? This is sooooo scandalous! Get your priorities in order, will ya!!
LOL!
And don’t forget her expense accounts either. We must hold her accountable for every penny.
The soldiers in Iraq, which include her son, btw, can wait!
LOL!
lol to both of you. This is wild, a man running for POTUS committing treason against his own country. That literally thows temper tantrums. No one other countries want us to elect him, they know he’s going to destroy us! They get to sit back and laugh.
wonder other countries, not one. Expect even more than normal errors today. My grandchildren thought my keyboard needed oiling so they sprayed it with cooking oil! So for right now I have to use my grandson’s mini-keyboard, and that’s not working out real well.
When the bridge was first discussed it was to be a normal bridge for the convenience of th 50 people who live on the island. When all was said and done and the bridge had turned into a plan to build a monstrosity that was to cost several million dollars more than was first planned.
When this transpired, Governor Palin vetoed the project.
I think, “Palin 4 prez” that you are a troll with your talking points aimed at diverting attention from Obama’s latest scandal – the Logan Act violation.
Lee, Palin4Prez was being facetious. Just using the divert and distract tactics Obama tries so hard to use. Trust me you’ll recognize the trolls, first they come posting with this great love of Hillary. Then everyone becomes a Republican, then before you know it Hillary is a radical Democrat that only worked for Democrats. Wanted nothing to do with Republicans.
Too bad Hillary is more a Centrist than Democrat or Republican. Which is why I beleive both her and McCain gained so much support. The majority of Americans are tired of the one sided politics. It’s not acccomplishing a thing for us/this country/the betterment of our lives. Hillary’s record showed that, just as McCain’s did. Plenty of Republican Senators have come out and said she worked well with the other side to get things accomplished. Anyway Palin4Prez has been posting awhile, so definately not a troll.
Heyyyyyy I LOVE HILLARY and support her 100% and would LOVE to see Obama arrested so we could have her as our candidate.
Unless that happens, I’ll be voting for McCain because we can’t afford Obama and I’ve been a Democrat my entire life.
Lee, I think Palin4Prez was being sarcastic, not really meaning that we should look at Palin instead of Obama’s treason. If I’m wrong, then sorry, but that’s the way that I read it. I hope I’m right and someone wouldn’t actually support something like that.
Obama, after a very stupid speech finishes his speech by calling himself smart. He actually called himself smart. Applause.
Fredo called himself smart too.
ice cream spew
Fredo Corleone: I’m your older brother, Mike, and I was stepped over!
Michael Corleone: That’s the way Pop wanted it.
Fredo Corleone: It ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I’m smart! Not like everybody says… like dumb… I’m smart and I want respect!
Obama called himself smart….unfortunately for him, he’s the only one that believes it.
I would also think that Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers, a former(?) terrorist would be of grave concern, but then who in the government cares anymore?? The congress works for the corporations not for America or the citizens. Dems are too busy kissing Obama’s ass and the repugs in congress are still lock step covering Bush’s ass.
Who’s in charge of the Rules of Law and our Constitution??? That’s my question..
Congress is in charge, but you can see from the 2006 election where Democrats took “impeachment off the table” that it isn’t really about party (D or R after their name) it is about Them versus Us because Bush could not have done all that he did without Democratic collusion and because Bush continued to do what he wanted after Pelosi and Reid took over majority roles and shrugged helplessly.
Now we see that these same people who couldn’t or wouldn’t stop Bush wants Soetoro/Obama so badly that they would steal Clinton’s delegates to put him in. That alone makes me suspicious of what their motivation is – but it can’t be good for the country or for me.
he Woods Foundation gave a $25,000 grant to Developing Communities Project, which in turn hired Obama as a community organizer in Chicago’s south side. The head of the Woods Foundation at the time was Gerry Kelm, chairman of Sahara Coal. Sahara Coal was a supplier to Commonwealth Edison, whose chairman was Thomas Ayers, father of William Ayers. Both Barack and William were in New York during the mid-eighties.
William Ayers was earning his M Ed from Bank Street College of Education in 1984 and then earning his M Ed and Ed. D from Columbia in 1987. Also in New York, was Bernadine Dorhn (William Ayer’s wife). In 1981 she refused to answer grand jury questions about the Brinks robbery/murder involving both former weatherman members and a few Black Panther members.
The Precinct Captain in Obama’s community organizing district was Frasier Robinson, Michelle Obama’s father. State Senator Emil Jones was also from this district. It is likely Barack met both Frasier and Emil at the time. It was also here that Barack met and started attending Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s church. If Ayers, whose Muslim name is Abu-Zayd, had his hand in Barack’s arrival in Chicago; did he also direct Barack to Rev Wright and his church?
Ayers studied education under Maxine Greene and, coupled with his weatherman days, came away with radical ways to teach for “social justice” and “liberation”. Both Ayers and Greene have published a series of books together. Greene also served on the same board with Rashid Khalidi.
One of the courses that Ayers now teaches is a type of Liberation Theology based upon, in part, by the work of Paulo Freire. Rev Wright, it turns out, preaches Black Liberation Theology, which is itself based, in part, on James Cone’s work.
READ MORE
http://savagepolitics.com/
Palin discusses her priorities as veep
Sarah Palin today for the first time outlined what issues she’d focus on as vice president should she and John McCain be elected in November: energy, government reform and finding cures for diseases afflicting children and families.
“John and I have worked out a plan, what I want to concentrate on and what he would like to kind of tap into me to help with,” Palin said at a rally just outside Denver this morning. “My mission is going to energy security and government reform. And another thing near and dear to my heart, it’s going to be helping families who have special needs and children with special needs. And we’re going to be pushing for innovative cures for diseases.”
The issues jibe with Palin’s expertise, both professionally and personally.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Palin_discusses_her_priorities_as_veep.html
I watched both her and McCain, he did a town hall and answered questions…he had answers for the people, Obama …well I watched that thing over that he and McCain did and I really paid close attention and he is still not really answering the questions, he is going to have to start giving straight answers soon…even when she would repeat the question to him he did not give a answer he would go off on something else….she didn’t ask a third time, she should have…
Yes, friends, Barack Obama behaved so treacherously, he even told reporters about it at the time.
Here’s what NBC reported online, June 16:
“He said he told Zebari that netotiations for a Status of Forces agreement or strategic framework agreement… should be done in the open and with Congress’s authorization…. He argued it would make sense to hold off on such negotiations until the next administrations.”
So I guess the firing squad shouldn’t lock and load just yet, huh?
Because his selfish political agenda and motivations are on display any way you cut it. Yup, Rush is all over it on his radio. You can bet Hannity’s next and it’ll be on the evening news shows. Let’s bring it out to the Americans in an expose–not a hidden NBC online article that prob gotlike 5 hits from O-bots. The American people are going to bristle at hearing this. Next.
It’s so far out the naive in the middle won’t believe it. They might believe it but it won’t register. Because those in the MSM who mention it will not show how aghast they feel. Olbermann should already be shouting ‘HAVE YOU NO SHAME, SIR?’ But he won’t. Because he’s in the tank, a paid shill. No one will react; people won’t know how to deal with it; it’ll be glossed over. Ancient techniques in the media.
That is an admission of guilt.
yes, it is and it should be used by the FBI for reason to arrest him and he needs to be tried for violations of the Logan Act and for treason.
but of course, he won’t, because he’s the “chosen one”. PUH
So how does that jive now with the “denials” he’s giving on Fox News?
I think you meant “jibe” but in this case, “jive” is perhaps more appropriate
I’d say he’s cold busted….goes out and tells MSNBC he tried to get the Iraqis to wait for the next admin to negotiate troop drawdown agreements and now denies it.
whoopsie!
There’s a big difference between stating one’s opinion about the Status of Forces Agreement and actually insisting in private discussions with Iraqi officials that the Status of Forces Agreement be delayed.
There were many other reporters on the tarmac that day when Obama spoke who heard and reported something far different from what Athena Jones of NBC reported.
How does admitting to the act not make it treacherous?
About time you showed up, UMB. It took that long for the talking points rebuttal to get text messaged out today?
And let’s see what the talking points are:
So, the rebuttal is: HE ALREADY TOLD US ABOUT THIS.
WTF!?! That’s it? So, there is no response to the fact that Obama wanted to delay the troop withdrawal talks until after the election for political advantage? To help him win an election? No? It doesn’t matter if he told us or not, he needs to answer that.
If that is the best you can do UMB, excuse me — I mean if that is the best instruction Obama’s handlers emailed for you to repeat, UMB, then you know and we know that Obama knows he is already FINISHED.
Undercover,
Why would he be blasting Bush on September 10th if he openly said it makes sense to negotiate after the elections…Where is the link for that quote?
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/obama-blasts-bush-for-slow-withdrawal/2008/09/10/1220857581127.html
Obama was out of line. Period. Arrogant and presumptous! This is shameful behavior and everyone should understand that while Obama is handing the public a line of crap – he simply cannot be trusted. Words that cannot be trusted = Obama.
but that report did not go as far as the Post report today. I still ask where is the DOJ on this?
We all need to be going to the DOJ website and reporting it or asking about it. I went there and clicked on the FBI report link and reported it. It probably won’t do any good, but if all of us did it, at least they’d be more likely to look at it.
Makes no difference when or how he did it. It was negotiating with the head of another country. HE HAS NO AUTHORITY!
Do you have a link?
nope
but just another little thing to cast some more doubt on BHO.
not a firing squad
just a thousand little tiny cuts
Why did you change your name?
hmmm?
I just sent this to Fox News. On their political page they have a little window on the left side for News tips that you can ask a question or copy and paste a link for reference on it. Then click submit.
They have this story now. But they’re the only ones after the Post. All the rest are on a leash, in the tank. It’s despicable.
One would think that O’s connection to nahdma auchi, rezko,(syrian), frank marshall davis, dohrn, percy sutton, louis farakhan, jeremiah wright, m phleger, rev. meeks, Annenburg Challenge, Woods Fund, ACORN, and the front law firm would be far and away enough to cause all Americans pause.
But, O denies the NYPost story. Surprise. Not.
And the lies go on, unchallenged…
WHO ARE THE MainStreamMedia? They don’t get it.
Thank God for the internet and Americans reliance on their own two eyes.
but things keep getting scrubbed on the net…just think if BO wins how bad it could get.
That’s what most of us are trying to not think. And why we’re working so hard so it doesn’t happen.
Ever read Ray Bradbury’s Farenheit 451 ?
They are trying to leash the internet now. On the Drudge Report you can sign a petition to try and stop it. You can also sign one for Sarah Palin against the MSM. You can sign and or donate or both to Sarah. Sometimes the ads rotate so you may have to watch for place to click.
There are some new polls coming out today on important states.
6 p.m. Eastern: Ohio President
6 p.m. Eastern: Virginia President
6 p.m. Eastern: Florida President
6 p.m. Eastern: Colorado President
6 p.m. Eastern: Pennsylvania President
These will be up at Rass. later….
I’m hopeful that Rass will choose to do a new New York and Minnesota one now since other polls are showing a tightening.
Take care,
Patrick
The poll at RCP on NY was done by Siena and I can’t get the link…who is Siena?
I trust SUSA but I don’t like there tv station polls…they really don’t seem to be accurate…and I like to see the number of dem, rep, indy polled I am tired of padded polls…race is also something we need to watch in the polls, some have been padded with a higher # of blacks.
one reason though that they do use more dems in polls is because of the # of registered dems and rep. nation wide…
Status of Force negotiations? with CONGRESS?
The executive is Commander-In-Chief, last I heard…
Since when does Congress negotiate for the USA? Congress legislates. Executive negotiates. Judiciary interprets.
Let us not confuse “the one” with something as paltry as the CONSTITUTION.
God help us all.
Get out the VOTE folks.
The fundamentals of the Economy are stable but we are in for an ugly ride.
I think we need a steady hand at the helm.
McCain all the way!!!!!!
Rally the troops Palin!!!!!
obama would be bush’s third term.
Whatever small part of the constitution bush has not shredded, obama will. We HAVE to get out the vote and ensure this manchurian candidate DOES NOT WIN by hook, by crook or on the up and up. He’s capable of both hook and crook and we have to be vigilant.
Where is his birth certificate, his Illinois Legislator records and finally..what are his true positions? It doesn’t change does it? He is first a politician, second a politician and third a politician. I am not sure there is one genuine word that flows from his mouth.
Friends with Rezko, Ayers, Wright and enemy of AA in Chicago..down to spending Rezko’s last $1000. on his campaign-instead of heat in the slums…Oh, my goodness..now or should I say again..talk to us about Iraq and say something different to the Iraqi politicians. Oh, my goodness, didn’t he do that with Canada and NAFTA? Oh, my goodness, that was his ‘non’ staff-Goolsby, not him. Oh, my goodness, FISA? Oh, my goodness, his religion? Oh, my goodness, Israel? Jerusalem? Oh, my goodness, the Jenna 6?
Who are we writing about? Oh, my goodness, I don’t know?
News regarding the Berg suit:
http://pumasunleashed.wordpress.com/
Berg has received permission to go forward with the discovery process. I think the deadline is Sept 24th,
Can you provide a specific link to this information?
Everything I find at docs.justia.com indicates that Berg filed a motion for expedited discovery on September 9th. No order stating that Judge Surrick has granted his request is listed.
Yeah it certainly is repetitive. And so true to character. Or lack thereof. They say Obama is unique and the wise amongst us must agree – and simultaneously be relieved the world isn’t being overrun by psychopaths like him. He’s the most dangerous political figure in modern times. Even W is a puppy in comparison.
I think hypocrisy is TOO an issue here.
Yes of course. But with Obama that’s a broken record. His middle name is Hypocrisy. Barack H Obama.
Yes.
HARP-thanks for the good read. But I thought Ayers was just some guy in the ‘hood…..
Regarding this Iraq withdrawal story: I see Carter/Zbigniew Brzezinski all over this as some kind of cynical payback to the Republicans for the Iran Hostage Crisis and Reagan working behind the scenes. So much for caring about the troops.
And the reason the story is coming out now is that they’re not so sure Obama is going to win anymore and they’re playing both sides.
Times dictate that any and all information downloaded and saved. Why do I keep thinking China and U.S.S.R??
because we’re becoming a communist nation
Jane Fonda obamba, The little boy should have a lot in common with Hanoi Jane they are both NUTS
When Obama was out there being citizen of the world, wheeling and dealing, little did he know Sarah Palin was back home waiting to bring him down to earth.
I have a friend who is a former assistant state’s attorney general. He forwarded the original Eastan article to some well rounded sources for feedback. Here are two of the replies returned so far.
This is from a military intel consultant.
This, from a former Assistant United States Attorney General, adds another dimension.
People with close ties to the current administration ARE looking at this matter as we chat.
Thanks!
I sure hope so!!!!!!!!! I am a Vet and totally resent his interference with bringing any troops home. He is totally out of control.
well, this may be the one and only time that I will ever say that it may actually be a good or at least partically decent thing that bush is in office right now. He doesn’t like obi and he IS the POTUS. If obi broke the logan act, then maybe, just maybe, bush might go after him. It would be the only part of his entire 8 years that amounted to anything, but at least it would be something.
It WOULD be a “win” in his “war on terror” by taking down the terrorist obama.
Absolutely correct. No one other than President or whom he sends on HIS behalf, is allowed to negotiate, or attempt at secret deals, let alone when it affects our Military and security.
Barry’s new lastname HObama, selling anything and every one for a buck!
Sarah gave a great speech today in Colorad to about 5,000!
And no free rock show, right?
Barky’d have anywhere from 2-8 headliner acts, plus in Germany…free beer
Is she giving a different speech these days?
I support Palin, but was getting bored of the convention speech at all the rallies.
Her speech was different in many parts, but of course the same basic premise. She seems to be a natural giving speeches. Fact is, all campaigns usually give the same speech until it starts to lose effectiveness. By the way the crowd reacted, it is still pretty effective.
Anyone notice Obama is giving the same type of speech now as when Hillary started winning the final primaries? You know, the Obama “they will fear and smear” speeches..
While politicians may like to repeat a “stump speech” until it loses effectiveness, these are new and dangerous times for that practice. Jon Stewart gets tremendous satirical mileage out of collecting all of those repetitive clips and stringing them together in rapid-fire sequence. Even the greatest politician and speaker will appear foolish after one of these Daily Show segments, and Jon Stewart really did a vicious number on Gov. Palin’s repetition of her stump speech phrases last week.
She took her stump speech and tailored it for a Colorado audience. She focussed on the economy. She is a great public speaker – the audiences love her. She connects with them.
and she doesn’t need a teleprompter
She spoke to “only” 5,000 today because they ran out of tickets days ago.
FROM THE CONFLUENCE:
Obama appears to use US soldiers as pawns to win the presidency
Posted on September 15, 2008 by garychapelhill
We have been discussing the NY Post article this morning in comments, but I feel it warrants its own post. It appears that while on his World Tour this summer, Obama was trying to negotiate a timetable for troop withdrawals in Iraq. That by itself would be inappropriate enough, but Obama takes it a step further by suggesting that Iraq delay troop withdrawals until after the US election, so he could, in true Obama form, take credit for the work of others.
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obamamade his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
“He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington,” Zebari said in an interview.
Some people have suggested, rightfully so, that the Post is hardly a friendly newspaper to Democrats, but the author of this article cites his source directly. There is no innuendo or “unidentified sources”. Taheri quotes the Iraqi Foreign Minister, Zebari, in quotation marks, from an interview. The one question I have is who did the interview to which he is referring? Is it the Post or some other news agency? If anyone out there has any info, please let us know. To get a sense of who Zebari is, here is a snippet of an interview he did with Wolf Blitzer on June 15th just prior to Obama’s visit:
BLITZER: John McCain says U.S. troops should remain in Iraq until victory has been achieved, a thriving, secure, Democratic Iraq. Barack Obama says the troops should start leaving, U.S. troops, over 16 months; there should be a withdrawal, if he’s president. Because he says you need that, kind of, timeline in order to force the Iraqi government, your government, to do what you know you need to do.
ZEBARI: Yes. Wolf, I think Iraq would be a major issue in the campaign.
BLITZER: Here in the United States.
ZEBARI: In the United States — I mean, as the campaign develops, toward November, I’m sure Iraq will come back to haunt bothcandidates. But I would say one thing, I think, that’s my message to both Senator McCain and Senator Obama, who I have the chance to speak to him tomorrow, that, really, Iraq has gone a long way.
I mean, Iraq has been to hell many times and back. And now we have the right policies, the right personnel, and we have a committed government to accomplish its national agenda.
And the surge strategy has worked. I have just reported to the Security Council, a couple of days ago, that Iraq is witnessing the lowest level of violence and terrorist attacks…
BLITZER: So that would suggest that it is a moment, right now, an opportunity for the U.S. to start to withdraw troops?
ZEBARI: Well, those troops, those American units, actually, who came and participated in the surge strategy have already started…
BLITZER: Not all of them. There’s still about 150,000 troops in Iraq.
ZEBARI: I know. But they’ve started to pull out, actually. And as we develop our security forces, our capabilities, definitely, we’ll be less reliant on American support and military presence.
But this is a process. I think we are not there yet. I think both candidates have to look hard at the issues. Because Iraq is not an island; it’s not isolated. It lives that heart of the Arab world and Islamic world.
BLITZER: So you want U.S. troops to stay?
ZEBARI: I think, for the time being, it’s very important, you see, that we need this continued support of the U.S. forces, of the multi-nationalforces, because of the gains we have gained, both security, military, economic, are still vulnerable, and we need to capitalize on them, to make them durable.
BLITZER: Here’s the issue on the agenda right now, this authorization for 150,000, which is the current number of U.S. troops in Iraq, to remain beyond the end of this year when the United Nations mandate ends.
There’s negotiations under way between the Bush administration and your government on what’s called a status of forces agreement, that would define the terms allowing the U.S. to maintain a significant military presence in Iraq.
What would be the terms?
Your prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, said on Friday — and I’m quoting, and I’ll put it up on the screen — “The Iraqi demands are unacceptable to the Americans and the American demands are unacceptable to the Iraqis, and the result is that we have reached an impasse. The Iraqis will not consent to an agreement that infringes their sovereignty.”
BLITZER: Now, if there’s a deadlock, there’s not going to be an authorization for American troops to stay in Iraq beyond December 31st. What happens then?
ZEBARI: Wolf, before come coming to your show I spoke to Baghdad, to the prime minister office, just to clarify this issue. So I’m pleased to report to you, really, that statement has been corrected.
BLITZER: The prime minister’s statement is no longer operable.
ZEBARI: I think it’s been corrected and clarified. Let’s say to the media that this negotiation, these talks are ongoing. They’re not dead.
BLITZER: So you have not reached an impasse?
ZEBARI: Definitely. There hasn’t been an impasse and there are options as the prime minister has explained to the Iraqi people and to the public opinion that this is ongoing and I’m a member of the negotiating team. So, I know what’s going on. We made a great deal of progress on finalizing the strategic framework agreement.
It appears from what Mr. Zebari says that the negotiations with the Bush administration were indeed ongoing at the time. It seems pretty clear that Obama was trying to negotiate a deal of his own. That seems like dangerous ground for a presidential candidate. So what exactly did Obama have in mind? I don’t think his fan base would approve:
Though Obama claims the US presence is “illegal,” he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the “weakened Bush administration,” Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a “realistic withdrawal date.” They declined.
Obamahas made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.
Towards the end of the article, Taheri does take some editorial license to critque Obama’s Iraqi policy. I think Obama and his fans might find his choice of words a little stinging
To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years. (emphasis mine)
This is bad news for Obama. I find it hard to believe that Taheri would make up quotes from the Iraqi foreign minister. And if the minister is lying, that doesn’t bode well for US/Iraqi relations if Obama wins. This would seem to fit a pattern of Obama’s disregard for the troops, including his snubbing of injured soldiers in Germany. No matter what, it looks like its gonna be another bad week for The One. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy.
***UPDATE*** Several commenters have suggested that this is similar to Ronald Reagan’s use of American hostages in Iran as pawns by negotiating their release after the US presidential election. The hostages were eventually released on Reagan’s Innaguration Day. Judge for yourself:
The official history states that after winning the election, before his inauguration, Reagan pushed hard for a resolution. Using the Algerian government as intermediaries successful negotiations were completed. However ther eis strong evidence of what is termed the “Ootober Surprise” took place.
This is the name for the substantuve allegation that representatives of the Reagan presidential campaign made a deal at two sets of meetings in July and August at the Ritz Hotel in Madrid with Iranians to delay the release of Americans held hostage in Iran until after the November 1980 presidential elections, so that Reagan’s opponent, then President Jimmy Carter, whose team had been negotiating, wouldn’t gain a popularity boost (an ‘October Surprise’) before election day.
I couldn’t resist using DKospedia as my source
The point about Reagan/Iran: Reagan is dead. That happened in 1980.
This is now. If Obama’s defense is that Reagan did it too, then Obama is toast.
Does it make it legal if Reagan violated the Logan Act first? just asking.
And wasn’t Reagan a breath of fresh air!
Dang you have bad breath…
A bridge falls down every day in honor of Ronald Reagan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw
Reagan also sold nuclear secrets to the Chinese, so he is doubly a traitor.
I didn’t like reagan, I don’t like obama. I’m a democrat, but I will NOT support the dnc’s handpicked and installed candidate.
I respect McCain and I like Palin, they will get my vote barring some miracle that puts Hillary back in the race, then it’s Hillary ALL THE WAY. …but, since that won’t happen, it’ll be McCain/Palin.
I’ll believe the MSM will report this when I see it.
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Then Obama is toast? How many times has someone said that and we’re still here, ugh!
Who else could get away with all of this and not be held accountable?
I know GWB and Dick Cheney sure I agree but they aren’t running again.
Aren’t Democrats supposed to be better than this?
How does a Constitutional Lawyer make mistakes?
No Body likes to fish for SHARKS because they think the Only bait is RED HERRINGS..or they just LIKE Sharks anyhow…
Me…I Hate Sharks..Where ever there are sharks…The Water Turns RED with Blood..
Sharks are Sneaky bastards..
Sharks are like some People..ALL MOUTH..and Teeth..Thazt ain’t no SMILE Honey..
Thats what an Asshole with Big Teeth Looks like..
How does a Constitutional Lawyer make mistakes? They don’t……Obama knows exactly what he is doing and exactly what he is saying – all the time! Turncoat……….
New campaign ad: “Illegal. Improper. Obama ‘08″
Barack Obama Traitor in Chief
Here is the link to the NBC story:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx
But here is an excerpt of the story from NBC News:
He [Obama] said he told Zebari that negotiations for a Status of Forces agreement or strategic framework agreement between the two countries should be done in the open and with Congress’s authorization and that it was important that that there be strong bipartisan support for any agreement so that it can be sustained through a future administration. He argued it would make sense to hold off on such negotiations until the next administration.
“My concern is that the Bush administration–in a weakened state politically–ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it was my administration or Sen. McCain’s administration,” Obama said. “The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx
Does this seem like an admission that he is interfering and hampering progress in order to sabotage the Bush administration’s efforts?
Yes
Not that anyone is looking to save Bush’s bacon, but this is just bad business. His campaign flatly denied everything earlier today, so from their mouth to the media’s ears. No research will be done and it will disappear.
for what it is worth I sent the MSNBC link to Fox
Well, making a pact to disregard any agreement Bush may make even before he makes it I think is interfering. One thing is sure… there is no apparent regard for the troops… or the cost of deploying them… which is the campaign mantra.
Off topic but pertinent.
Take a look at the asshole in England who supports Sharia law. Doesn’t he remind you of Phlegal.
http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2008/02/the-archbishop.html
This is what Obama could do to us.
Why did the fox story disappear?
Whats going on?
My hope (though I doubt it will be realized) is that in accepting the summary denial that Fox was setting them up to expose their candidate’s ‘nuanced’ position. He is never called a liar, they save that for Palin (always) and McCain (most of the time). Obama is smart and ‘nuanced,’ he would never be so base as to tell a lie.
Not that anyone is looking to save Bush’s bacon, but this is just bad business. His campaign flatly denied everything earlier today, so from their mouth to the media’s ears. No research will be done and it will disappear.
I believe not a damn thing will happen to Obama over this. The media will not touch it and the Democrates in office will look the other way.
We need to get this out to as many outlets as we can and FORCE them to question Obama on this and take action if needed
I sent the NY Post article to the Washington Post.
D’ya think it will shake ‘em up? Naaaah.
Some people think that Fishing for Sharks can only be done with RED HERRINGS..
There is other bait..
Sharks are Sneaky ..Just in in for themselfs..Loners..All Mouth…and Assholes with Teeth..likwe some people in the world..
Predators…
“The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.
Huh?
The Foreign Minister seems to disagree with that conclusion according to the NYPost interview.
Am I reading this right? O goes to Iraq and assures their government that no agreement Iraq is struggling to achieve will be honored by O OR MCCAIN? Does Mccain know this?
<blockquoteNot that anyone is looking to save Bush’s bacon, but this is just bad business. His campaign flatly denied everything earlier today, so from their mouth to the media’s ears. No research will be done and it will disappear.
I believe not a damn thing will happen to Obama over this. The media will not touch it and the Democrates in office will look the other way.
We need to get this out to as many outlets as we can and FORCE them to question Obama on this and take action if needed
Still reeling from the depth of the hypocrisy and blatant abuse of every demograph in America. While watching “The O” subsume, annihilate, or trample his way through the primaries, the haunting aloofness remained a constant. I thought, he does NOT understand America at its core. He does not connect with Americans because he is not American at his core. He is a rock star, but so are many non Americans. He is a celebrity. He is articulate. He raises enthusiasm. Like Bono. But Bono is not American either. And, Bono has a record to stand on. O has the dilapidated, oppressive Southside of Chicago. Why doesnt anyone go there for photos?
OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GI’S IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
while campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal
of U.S. troops from Iraq.
Obama only cares about Obama. This two faced liar will do, or say anything to get elected. And, don’t add insult to injury, by telling us that you never heard Jeremiah Wright’s anti-American racist sermons, or noticed the literature in the church’s lobby, for TWENTY YEARS!!!
No Wright, no Farrakhan, no Ayers, no Rezko, no mean Michelle, HOBAMA !!
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Again, I ask you WTF is your point.
Where is the DOJ on this?
Barack Obama.
Change you can Believe in!
THe MSM wont cover this, but i guarantee you the Republican blogosphere makes sure everybody i aware of this.
You can run but you can’t hide from your past.
if this story is a red herring (and I in no way am saying that it is), then look to see why obamaland is playing diversion. you divert the other camp’s attention when you need to hide something. watch for some further bs from camp obama to try and fly under the radar. remember when odipshit dumped the info on rezko, etc while the rev wright scandal was on.
this story needs to be run to ground immediately.
the players quoted have to go on the record now, right now. if this story is real is needs to be proven real. too much bs flying around.
The One
®can do whatever he wants. He is the pretender to the throne.The One we have been waiting for.
How dare anyone question his reasons.
Not
Send in a tip to the FBI. No joke. If they get enough of them they might come off their coffee break.
https://tips.fbi.gov/
I did, and encourage everyone else to do the same!
typewriterstreaming,
my last post was for you;
Thank you.
Watch as Huffington has kittens – the One made a doo-doo in public:
“Please Barack Say It’s Nonsense that You Tried to Stall Troop Withdrawal Until after the Elections”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/please-barack-say-its-non_b_126585.html
This is on abc.com today. O is trying to deny he said Status of Force agreement, but clearly, the Iraqi Foreign minister did not misunderstand. W.O.R.M.
O is having memory lapses.
Just up on Fox News – I’m shocked – shocked I tell you.
“Obama Camp Denies He Tried to Delay Withdrawal Agreement of Troops From Iraq
by FOXNews.com
Monday, September 15, 2008″
Obama Camp Denies he committed treason?
SHOCKING!!
The Obama campaign response (why did it take so long?) to this serious matter is about as idiotic as the comments by two policemen at the Wal-Mart in New Orleans after Katrina hit. Looters were stealing stuff left and right. The two cops even had items in their carts and were “rolling” down the aisles, indeed, they were looting themselves. A reporter on the scene inside the store with the camera rolling, asked the two cops, “What are you doing?” They replied, “Oh, we’re watching for looters.”
Uh-Huh. Suuuuuuuuurrreeee.
What would be the response from Obama if US Marshalls walk up to him and advice him they have a federal warrant for his arrest on charges of treason and violation of the Logan Act?
Obama: “I am Barack America Obama! You can’t touch me, man!”
US Marshalls: “Yes We Can!”
Obama’s denial of the troop withdrawal comments is befitting of a stupid shoplifter who is convinced he won’t be caught. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Has anyone sent this to Lou Dobbs? He holds on like a bulldog once he sinks his teeth into a story. He isn’t exactly crazy about obama, either.
So obama is calling Zebari a liar?? WOW!!! WTF
Breaking! Oprah boycott on Fox after break.
OBAMA IS DENYING!!!
BECAUSE
OBAMA IS LYING!!!
However MSNBC covered exactly what he said back in JUNE!!!
And again Here is todays report from NYPost for Comparison!!!!
DENIAL?
WHY?
WHO IS LYING NOW BEEYATCH!!!!!!
BUSTED AGAIN BACKTRACK OBUMMER!!!!!
This is a clear and flagrant violation of the Logan Act and obama NEEDS to be tried in federal court for it.
The NY Post, of course, never mentions that what he is doing is ILLEGAL!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?page=0
I’ve got a post up about the article and the violation of the logan act over at my blog http://www.purplechiten.wordpress.com
This one has actually pissed me off enough AND SCARED me enough, that he would have the audacity to negotiate conditions in Iraq that I submitted a tip to teh FBI through the Department of Justice website. Please, everyone who is concerned with the hubris this man is taking and the arrogance he is displaying as well as the lives he is putting in danger, take a moment and call your lawmakers, report to the DOJ or FBI and get the word out to as many people as possible about this violation of the Logan Act so that it MIGHT actually be investigated and even acted upon. We can’t have this arrogant pig endangering our troops even more just so he can win an election and say that he had to “step in to fix the horrible blunder”, especially after he finally admitted the surge has been effective.
I don’t want bush to get credit, but the surge actually did help and I don’t want to lose another single soldier over there, especially not in order for a self-righteous, arrogant, sexist, racist pig to do better in an election he shouldn’t even be part of.
If they arrest him and put him on trial, maybe we can actually get Hillary like we should have to begin with.
I have been imploring people to send in a tip on this matter to the FBI. If they get enough, they might come off their coffee break.
https://tips.fbi.gov/
Chiten, You said
Amen. Until election day I will continue to hold on to the dream that this nightmare will go away and we will somehow, miraculously, get her back.
Nothing in this upside down political fiasco is right.
Can we have Hillary back now? Please!
Larry Sinclair’s website was attacked and shut down by the Obama campaign. Here is his new location, fyi,
http://Larrysinclair.org/
Amir Taheri has some credibility problems?
The guy is bag of lies with an attached human mouth.
He was also responsible for the debunked story that Iranian UN representative Javad Zarif was involved in the Iranian hostage crisis, and a 1989 book about the Shah of Iran that was discovered to have used non-existent sources, total fabrications falsely attributed to existing sources, and entirely made-up events.
YOU ARE RIGHT LETS TALK ABOUT ISSUES AMERICANS ARE REALLY CONCERNED WITH:
America doesnt want to know about Obama subverting US Foreign Policy.
America wants to know..
WHERE IS THE PREGNANCY SUIT TROLL?
Say what?
Obama’s supposed to have gotten someone pregnant?
I’ve apparently missed a thread or an issue of the National Enquirer somewhere along the line…
nah, he couldn’t get Larry Sinclair pregnant and he doesn’t do women does he? I mean, michelle isn’t female is he?
ZIggy is lying.
Obama said the exact same thing out of his own mouth in june as reported on MSNBC!
Now the guy in IRaq is just confirming it!
His real name is Zippy and he is a pinhead who hung around Mr. Natural and the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers too long.
Irrelevant, Zippy. You will be called on it until you either answer the charges presented or shut up. I don’t think you can do either, though, because your programming doesn’t include either of those abilities.
Charges? I got somebody pregnant?
Look, I’m not discrediting the source. The source comes without credit to begin with.
And the quote:
Well, yeah. I pretty much agree with that concern. My guess is that Senator McCain probably would as well. Would we want a hurried agreement patched together by George W. Bush, without congressional input, during the last 3 months of his term, that would tie the hands of the incoming U.S. president? I don’t think so.
And seriously, how is Obama out of place in stating that?
Has McCain been out of place in expressing his own policy intentions to the Republic of Georgia? He’s been in recent communication with Georgian leaders, right? Although he’s just a Senator. His top advisor was a Georgian lobbyist until last March, promoting NATO membership. Wife Cindy visited? His VP running mate has made public policy statements about Georgia and Russia, and she’s as yet only a state governor.
I fail to see what’s different there.
Ziggbama,
Palins statements were in a public interview where she was asked her opinion.
They were not in a closed door session attempting to influence policy to help her politically.
The fact that you pretend you see no difference shows that you are either a total moron trollbot or such an in the tank apologist that you want to see Obummer in office no matter what the cost.
You have no integrity and neither does your Fauxmessiabama!
Obama is unfit and unqualified to be president for starters. He should be making no statements about Iraq at all.
I was not amused when Reagan pulled his stunt during the hostage crisis and I’m not amused now.
Your candidate would be the worst possible president and would make Bush look like a piker by comparison. But I know if Oblowme were to steal the election, you’ll get your 40 acres and Francis the Talking Mule troll, to boot.
well ziggbama, you see, what McCain did wasn’t to meet behind closed doors and undermine the present administration (you know, an act of treason). McCain met with heads of state just as obama did. Obama didn’t break the law in ALL of his meetings, just some of them, the ones where he was committing treason by trying to negotiate US policy without the authority to do so.
Additionally, McCain, as the GOP nominee has most likely been empowered by bush to discuss his policies, HIS policies, not McCains and, to the best of our knowledge, that’s what he did.
Obama, on the other hand, worked AGAINST what the current US stand is without the executive power to do so. This is illegal, it violates the Logan Act and could also be considered treason.
I really hope that’s simple enough for you to comprehend, if not, then we can do it Dr. Suess style or something.
Obama says:
I do not like green eggs and ham, I will not eat them Sam-I-Am (I don’t agree with what the president says)
I will not eat them on a boat, I will not eat them with a goat (this is what “I” want to do after “I” win the election, so forget about what the president says, he’ll be gone soon anyway—treason, violation of Logan Act)
I will not eat them in the air, I will not eat them anywhere (this is what “I” want you to do so “I” can get credit for fixing everything and bush can just get blame–again, violation of Logan Act, and treason)
I like them, I like them Sam-I-Am
I like to eat green eggs and ham (oh no, I never said any of that, you misunderstood what I said, I was misquoted, that’s not really what happened, ignore what I said before, listen to what I say now.—trying to cover up for his treason)
Does that help any sweetie? Your lipstick is a bit smeared, you may want to fix that.
When you can’t discredit the story! Discredit the SOurce!
Now thats Change you can Believe In!!!!
THanks Ziggybama!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
MCCAIN CAMP RESPONDS TO OBAMA’S INTERFERENCE IN IRAQI POLICY
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
Uh huh.
Kindly explain to me what Senator McCain and his paid-Georgia-lobbyist and top foreign policy advisor Randy Scheunemannhas have been up to with the Republic of Georgia?
They have some business working private and government channels to bring Georgia into NATO?
McCain has been part of the executive branch?
He was making public foreign policy statements following the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia? And talking tough to the Russians after they responded? Even though they were in South Ossetia pursuant to official UN policy?
Irrelevant. This is about Oblahblah. For the last time, stay on the damn topic.
I’ll summarize my point, then let the topic drop before I start talking in circles. The point is that we can’t have it both ways: If what Obama did is improper conduct for a Senator, then McCain’s long-standing discussions with government officials in Georgia are equally improper.
Stuff it Troll. You can distract all you like but BARRY IS A TRAITOR!!!!
You know nothing about logic. You can’t justify Oblahblah’s interference by bringing up McCain’s discussions, even if there is a connection present in your feeble mind (and it would only be in your mind).
Your illogic aside, I have yet to hear anything from Georgia which compares with what the Iraqis had to say.
Finally, toodles, this topic is about Oblahblah Bringing up anything else is a typical obamabot bit of irrelevant diversion. All you do is shift the conversation to McCain to remove the heat from Oblahblah. If you want to talk about McCain, go to HuffPo where I’m sure you’d fit right in with the addle-brained numskulls posting there.
There is a difference. Has Senator McCain been in talks harmful to current policy in Georgia? Government officials are allowed to talk to foreign government officials, as long as what they are doing is consistent with the current President’s policies. Is trying to get the Iraqi’s to wait to make any deals (so that Bush can’t get credit) consistent with US policy?
Big difference Ziggy, McCain hasn’t been in Georgia meeting with it’s leaders behind closed doors. Unlike Obama. Or perhaps you would like to prove he’s been out of the country? Links please. You made the accusation, so where are the links? Not a link to an aide, we know what Obama’s aides did in Canada. You all bought hook, line, and sinker he didn’t. Opps what’s that he changed his mind on NAFTA. Imagine that…those liars up there in Canada were trying to smear him. I want a link that McCain has been out of this country and in behind the door meetings with the leaders of Georgia, like we know for a fact. A FACT Obama has been.
Oh and by the way you can voice an opinion in this country, you cannot go on foreign soil and meet with leaders to undermine this country and it’s security. That’s TREASON plain and simple.
it’s been explained to you ziggbama, you just don’t have the mental fortitude to comprehend the explanation.
Thanks for that Jeremiah.
obama has been toast for a year now. Can he be burnt rump roast, I’m just so weary of calling him toast.
So McCain camp thinks it might be a biggie, eh?
Hmmmmm, he just might have had a conversation or two about this with the powers that be and they might have told him a thing or two about what they are hearing.
Another spectacular “bonehead” move from a man who has so many of them to his credit.
He called the Canadian embassy all liars too, and look how that turned out. Goolsbee and ob were the liars.
Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi, Rockefeller, have also violated Logan’s Act. No wonder Obama thought he could do it as well:
Here’s Rockefeller:
http://tinyurl.com/5hzr59
Pelosi:
http://tinyurl.com/5p9maa
(Warning this site will not open in IE you have to use another)
Could someone please explain to be again why it is OK for any politician Democrat or Republican to committ a felony? I’m quite sure if I dug deeper I’d find Republicans that have done the same thing. Think for one second we could committ a felony and not be charged for it? Violation of Logan’s Act is a felony.
Look another one. This time a Republican.:
http://tinyurl.com/59hxuk
Carter violated it also in meeting with Hamas!
Why are any of these people being allowed to remain in office??? Must be nice to sit up in Washington and tell the people you’re above the laws they must abide by.
Then each and every one of them, regardless of party, should be brought up on charges and go to trial. Nobody is above the law and it’s about time the politicians learn that….on BOTH sides.
Looks like Obambi has been undermining a U.S. Administration….This bears repeating from the NYT:
“My concern is that the Bush administration, in a weakened state politically, ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it’s my administration or Senator McCain’s administration,” Mr. Obama said. “The foreign minister agreed that the next administration should not be bound by an agreement that’s currently made.”
McCain spokesman Randy Scheunemann stated as follows:
At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq’s Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama’s judgment and it demands an explanation.
Can you try someone under the Logan Act even if they can’t provide a valid US certificate of birth?
Wow! Was everyone able to vent? My turn. Obama has inspired interest in this election that we have not seen before. Then Sarah come alone and we have more people charged up about this election. From the get go we all knew this was going to be historic. Now whispers of treason, and abuse of power. What will be next? After Ms. Palin was announced in this, the race was essentially over. With Obama’s stupid actions he virtually has dug his hole very deep. Will he be able to climb out of this? If “We The People” make enough noise over this event, there will not be a need to hold the election.
Radical-Maybe. Just think about it.
I was just thinking! Obama frightens me a lot. Black people tell white people that they are “RACIST” if they don’t Vote for Obama. Seems to me that the Polls show that 95% of the Black people are Voting for Obama—I am sure that this has nothing to do with his Color—-Right?
Let’s get real, Who are the “RACISTS”?????????????
Remember the Terrorists that flew the planes on 9/11, they lived in America for years to learn how to fly the planes in order to kill us.
During that time they appeared to be good citizens.
Let me see, Obama went to Muslim schools.
He belonged to a Church listening and agreeing with Reverend Wright who is obviously a “racist”, and hates the United States.
Also he is Friends with William Ayers, a self proclaimed Terrorist.
I understand that I could be wrong, but has anyone checked to see if he was ever connected to the Terrorists who flew the Planes on 9/11?????
Remember, they waited years to do their deed.
THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE YOU VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!
The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.