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It’s Not the Economy, It’s the Arrogance

In Monday’s Washington Post, Obama’s chief strategist, David Axelrod, is quoted as saying, “I think one of the things driving the national polls is that the red states are redder.”

Is Axelrod right? Could it be McCain has energized his base but that Obama remains ahead?

Using Electoral-Vote.com’s numbers, I created a list of red states and compared Obama’s numbers to Kerry’s percentages in 2004. All but three of the state polls are post-Palin.

This is not a comprehensive list of all red states. However, I believe it’s a fair representation of reliable Republican states. Our purpose is to see if there’s been an uptick for McCain over Obama relative to the previous presidential election.

All battleground states are out, regardless of who won in 2004. Additionally, I did not include red states which Obama is now actively fighting for, like Virginia, or historically red states like New Hampshire, which Kerry won. In most states, there’s no difference in the relative position between Kerry’s final result and Obama’s current standing; in other states Obama is actually doing better than Kerry.

Let’s take a look at Axelrod’s assertion that red states are becoming redder:

As you can see, Obama is faring no worse than John Kerry did. In fact, the current state of the race is remarkably similar to the final results in 2004. It follows, then, that state polls reflect similar numbers as 2004. Obama’s weak numbers, as I believe Axelrod is implying, are not coming from intolerant red state voters. According to Rasmussen, McCain is leading Obama by approximately 2%, and in 2004 Bush beat Kerry by 2.4%. Obama is performing in Republican states about as well as any Democrat could be expected.

Contrary to Axelrod’s statement, Obama’s decline in national polling is not due to inordinately low numbers in deep-red states. Indeed, the opposite is true: Obama is under-performing in reliably Democratic states. As Truthteller demonstrates with the spreadsheet below, Obama is under-performing in blue states such as New York (population 20 million) and New Jersey (population 9 million). These high population Democratic states will skew national numbers far more than low population red states like North Dakota (population 640,000), while Republican Texas (population 24 million), where Obama is in nearly the same spot as Kerry, is easily offset by the densely populated California and Illinois, both states where Obama is doing very well. Additionally, Obama is trending down in the swing state of Ohio:

New York New Jersey Minnesota Pennsylvania Ohio
McCain-Palin 41 45 45 47 48
Obama-Biden 46 48 45 47 45

Because of these weak blue- and swing-state numbers, Obama now has to defend more real estate than McCain. Truthteller writes:

So now Obama must invest precious and finite resources in states such as New Jersey and New York. And instead of campaigning in Arkansas, Nevada, Florida or Louisiana, he will hold events in Minnesota, a state that should be solidly Democratic in the current political climate. He may even have to campaign in New York now that McCain is within five points of the underperforming Obama.

And Hill Buzz sees a potential map-changer in McCain:

If McCain was only leading in Utah by 5 points, we’d say this election was over, and that McCain would lose GOP strongholds.

Instead, the opposite seems to be true. SoetorObama leads in NY by only 5 points, in NJ by 3 points, and in MI and PA by just 2 points.

To us, it looks like McCain could be the one changing the electoral map this year, with traditionally blue states having a better chance of turning red instead of the other way around.

Shortly after Obama’s grandiose trip to Europe, I wrote: “I think Obama would have been wise to go somewhere he lost big, like West Virginia, leaving behind his entourage and asking working people about their concerns in the streets and cafes of small town America.” There’s nothing earth-shattering in my suggestion, but I think that’s exactly what’s so troubling about the Obama campaign. It’s not the economy, it’s the arrogance. I think Obama’s odd trip to Europe — and the arrogance of selecting Biden over Hillary — is at the heart of many of Obama’s troubles today. The American people will vote for Ivy League candidates, but only those who come to their towns to listen and not to lecture.

Obama’s arrogance is now becoming a matter of concern for Democratic strategists. The statement below by an unnamed source in the British newspaper The Sunday Telegraph should send fear into the hearts of Obama’s supporters:

A senior Democratic strategist, who has played a prominent role in two presidential campaigns, told The Sunday Telegraph: “These guys are on the verge of blowing the greatest gimme in the history of American politics. They’re the most arrogant bunch Ive ever seen. They won’t accept that they are losing and they won’t listen.”

With this mentality, it’s no wonder Axelrod is blaming Obama’s woes on red states. Ani writes:

Of course there is a bunker mentality. Obama’s campaign manager, David Axelrod, must protect his carefully sculpted media creation at all costs. Their whole strategy has been to overwhelm their way into the presidency with huge rallies and concerts, presidential emblems, soaring rhetoric and platitudes.

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Comment by Linda | 2008-09-16 19:42:41

What I like are the blue states that are TURNING RED. Minnesota, New Mexico, Washington is close, New York is close and Colorado BB was hoping for is going McCain.

So, the Red states may still be Red and not YET necessarily Redder, but the Blues are turning Red.

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 19:47:47

these numbers don’t lie…

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-09-16 20:19:14

It’s the economy and the arrogance. Great stuff, Bud. If people really want to understand where the current Wall Street mess began, look here:

http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass-Steagall_Act

Unfortunately, the mess started with Bill Clinton (actually, it started with financial sector lobbyists), not George Bush. And certainly not with John McCain or the GOP.

Turning to a different subject. Here are the first two parts of Greta van Susteren’s interview with Sarah Palin’s husband, Todd. The ‘First Dude’ of Alaska:

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve_4EzBXBLY

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW37ZJWGi64

The rest of the interview will be running tonight, Tuesday 9.16.08.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 20:58:16

Thanks, Paul. Thanks for keep us updated with good links & videos.

Comment by Paul F. Villarreal | 2008-09-16 23:27:54

You’re welcome, Bud. Thank you for keeping us all informed with your terrific articles.

:)

Comment by red_sleeves | 2008-09-17 00:01:58

 
 
 

Comment by bert | 2008-09-16 21:03:12

Actually Paul, it began big time with Reagan and deregulation.

Comment by Ms. Misdemeanor | 2008-09-17 01:48:58

Actually,banks were pushing for this in the mid-seventies, if not earlier.

I remember those times well.

It just took them 20 years.

And look how well it has all worked out.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Linda | 2008-09-16 20:15:11

EWWWWWW. They haven’t taken us off the list yet.

The Democrats just sent us a “Commemorative Photo” of Obama with Biden.

…hubby said save it for the Dart board in the garage.

Comment by Hispana | 2008-09-16 21:12:42

or the liter pan

 

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-16 22:41:40

I was afraid I’d vomit, so I didn’t open it. It went immediately to the recycle bin. My hope is that someday it will have a reincarnation as toilet paper.

Comment by so saddened | 2008-09-16 23:52:19

i tear up their stuff and send it back to them in their postage paid envelope. that way, they have to pay and you get to tell them what you think.

 
 
 

Comment by Dan | 2008-09-16 21:43:42

It’s gonna come down to Michigan and Ohio. If McCain can manage to win both of those states, he’s in.

 

Comment by Linda OKC | 2008-09-16 22:02:02

http://theamericansentinel.com/2008/09/16/who-is-behind-the-hotline-fd-poll/
Who is behind the Hotline FD Poll?

you might want to add this to your polling research.

The company website helpfully lists its principal employees. Turns out they are a veritable wellspring of cash for the Democrats. In fact, if you remove from the list one lone board member who actually owns her own company and gave to both parties, you get the following:

Eleven employees, $104,600 in donations to Democrats and $0 in donations to Republicans.

That money seems to me an extraordinary amount for eleven people to give. Just as extraordinary are the company demographics. I have never worked anywhere that did not have, at the bottom or the top, a normal mix of Democrats and Republicans. Even in the predominantly liberal media, you will find conservative employees. Even MSNBC had Dennis Miller and Alan Keyes hosting shows.

 
 

Comment by doublestandard | 2008-09-16 19:46:17

Over the last few days, McCain and Palin have been the victims of ridiculous and vicious smears, the likes of which I have never seen. Even today, the Obama campaign and the media twisted the words of Fiorina, when she said that ALL the candidates could not run a corporation, but the Obama campaign only included her words about McCAin! How seedy, how disgusting, such liars!

I am tired of this, good people such and McCain and Palin shouldn’t take this abuse from slime like Obama. I know the GOP has scandals about Obama waiting to emerge….please, “release the hounds” now! I want this Obama going down, now. Why wasn’t there any media attention to Obama’s blatant violation of the Logan Act? This has become so ridiculous, it has almost been an underground movement to try to fight this man.

Scandals, bring me scandals. The truth needs to come out. Rezko, Ayers, “whitey”…..bring it all out, now! I won’t be satisfied until Obama is dragged away in handcuffs, this disgusting fraud needs to be put away, and America will be a better place without this criminal Obama-trash infecting our streets!

Comment by Steve_in_KC | 2008-09-16 20:06:45

I keep thinking of boxing analogies in this election, but you can’t go for an early knock-out. This goes all 15-rounds (unless BO gets disqualified or indicted, both still possible).

So if McCain lets loose with his best barrage or body blows this early, it gives BO time to recover some lost ground before November. It would have to be a total KO. At this stage, with Hillary getting a lot of belated kudos, that would be dangerour for McCain. If they knock out BO, she’d be brought in as the candidate, and even at this point in time, she’d be a strong contender, even with limited funds.

No, I’m betting that McCain is very carefully pacing this fight, and when the crucial time arrives in Round 15 (late October), he’ll let loose on the worn-out BO like a hurricane.

Comment by Dan | 2008-09-16 21:48:08

I fully agree. The objective for McCain & Palin is to get out of the four debates at least even in the polls, preferably slightly ahead like they are now.

Then start dropping the nuclear bombs the last three weeks of the campaign, culminating with the “whitey tape” about a week before Election Day.

McCain’s campaign manager, Steve Schmidt, is a pro and I’m sure that he’s talking with Karl Rove on a regular basis. Love him or hate him, Rove is the best political strategist in the game today.

Comment by QUEENIE | 2008-09-16 22:31:53

McCain Can’t wait that long..Fla and Tenn start early vote Oct 15th…….dems vote in early vote ..for sure!!
Not sure about other states..but Fla is Oct 15th…….

 
 
 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-09-16 22:18:51

Make sure you share the information at the link below with everyone you know.

This is a link to Barack’s former co-worker in New York. He takes exception to how Obama “remembers” his job and the people he worked among. It is a worthy read.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/15/what-does-anyone-know-about-obamas-time-in-ny/#more-4823

 

Comment by Prem | 2008-09-16 22:30:09

Yes, I heard Carly Fiorino on the radio today (the radio station played her complete comments—she said that none of the candidates could run a corporation, and that’s not what a President is supposed to do. The responsibilities of a corporate head and a President of a country are completely different.

I heard BHO (on the radio during the news break) speaking somewhere today about the economy and he offered no solutions whatsoever, he only stated the obvious and tried to make some funny comments to show how clever he was. There was no substance, just complete generalities. I had to turn it off though as he talks like he is the only smart person in the room.

I miss Hillary and her complete wonkishness. Whenever she spoke about one of many problems, she would always offer solutions in her speeches—which showed she was really trying to solve those problems.

I want Hillary back!

 

Comment by Vicki | 2008-09-16 22:37:39

Look up OODA McCain. He and his team know what they are doing. Don’t get complacent but know that despite being underestimated by the 0 team, things are not always what they seem.

Does anyone know what the 0 team did to respond to McCain’s call for electoral honesty?

 

Comment by Hope Floats! Flush Twice! | 2008-09-16 22:43:42

McCain was reportedly furious with Carly Fiorina, and it was a Biden-size gaffe. She originally said it about Palin and then all the candidates. It was seen as a catty swipe from someone who was on McCain’s VP shortlist and crossed off for being pro-choice with the HP albatross hanging around her neck. She’s gone.

Comment by Jess Terr | 2008-09-16 23:16:50

Riorini was on a board of directors with some shady characters- nObama cohorts. I have to look it up and see which ones.

 
 
 

Comment by beverly leslie | 2008-09-16 19:47:26

So Axelshit is implying that red state voters are racists. This is really such a disgrace that they think they can get away with reverse racisim. That’s all we are hearing this whole week from the Barfy camp. It’s disgusting and I wish all those idiots and their gang of brownshirts would disappear.

Can you imagine 4 years with this crap! The brownshirts will come after you for anything you say about their leader.

Comment by Hope Floats! Flush Twice! | 2008-09-16 22:45:27

Everyon’e sick of Obama’s “new politics.” The race card has been harped on and is now a good indication of whether a meltdown is on the way.

 
 

Comment by cathnealon | 2008-09-16 19:49:28

You just can’t fake sincerity and a connection to the common working class American. That’s what makes Hillary so great, she attended an Ivy League school but was able not to get swept up in the elitism of that institution. She chose not to look down on people but to identify with them. She never let go of her roots, her middle class upbringing and remained true to that. BO’s whole life seems to be running away from his roots, shame and guilt, but using his story when it means personal gain. That’s why he can’t go to W.Va, they would see right through him.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 19:57:27

I keep thinking of that famous picture of JFK with coal miners in W. Virginia in 1960. He connected.

Comment by Hope Floats! Flush Twice! | 2008-09-16 22:50:04

That was RFK, but both Kennedy brothers were popular in that state. JFK still famously bought the state to win the presidency. And RFK, Jr. has continued to fight for the miner’s by protesting the mountain top removal (MTR) practice which poisons drinking water and costs the miners jobs as well. An area is quickly and irresponsibly strip-mined, then the jobs are gone forever and the children have cancer. And the beautiful mountains, the oldest in this continent, are gone.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-09-16 20:24:17

With the history he’s got, he should have been toast by now. I don’t like that the media is still coddling him and attacking McCain. It looks too much like 2000 to me.

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 20:52:48

The media makes the most money when the race is tight. They will not let that go. They will keep this race tight as long as they can.

 
 
 

Comment by jjran | 2008-09-16 19:50:04

I sure hope for McCain to win either NJ or NY and that would the best day in American. I love USA.

 

Comment by Disgusted | 2008-09-16 19:53:28

So the red states Obama was gonna turn blue are actually redder according to Axelrove. Very interesting. He was gonna change the map.It’s the 57 state strategy. Whaa Happen?

 

Comment by Judy | 2008-09-16 19:58:47

double standard I feel the same way. I want Obama in jail/it is not enough to beat him.

The MSM have added an element that has set my sense of right and wrong / fair and unfair on a level I have not ever experienced.

The twisting is driving me nuts. Jail is all I will accept.

Comment by tminu | 2008-09-16 20:35:10

I used to just want him deported to Kenya…now I want him in jail.

Here is an excerpt from Susan Duclos’ 15 September blockbuster article on Obama’s attempted manipulation of GIs troop withdrawals from Iraq for his own political purposes.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/obama_tried_to_stall_gis_iraq_withdrawal_129150.htm?page=2

Iraqi government sources have revealed to the New York Post that Presidential candidate Barack Obama demanded Iraqi officials stop negotiations with the Bush Administration to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq. Fearful that the success in Iraq would harm his political aspirations, Obama sought to keep U.S. troops in Iraq so he can continue attacking the Bush Administration for not imposing a timetable for withdrawal.

And from the New York Post:

Maliki’s advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win — but the prime minister worries about the senator’s “political debt to the anti-war lobby” — which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was “the biggest strategic blunder in US history.” [...]

Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn’t want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of “pre-emptive” war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.

Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.

In a brief press conference back in June, Obama admitted to this outrageous act.
firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/16/1146329.aspx
“He said he told Zebari that negotiations for a Status of Forces agreement or strategic framework agreement between the two countries should be done in the open and with Congress’s authorization and that it was important that that there be strong bipartisan support for any agreement so that it can be sustained through a future administration. He argued it would make sense to hold off on such negotiations until the next administration.”

 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-09-16 22:23:05

I will happily settle for the dustbin of History along with other unworthy also rans.

 
 
 

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-16 20:01:21

Rasmussen NY poll has Obama up 13 and Charles Lemos says the Siena poll was an outlier. It would be good to see more polls.

http://www.bythefault.com/2008/09/16/rasmussen-reports-new-york-poll-obamas-empire-not-crumbling/

Also, has anyone seen MA polls?

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 20:05:48

That poll might be an outlier. But that still doesn’t explain PA, OH, & NJ.

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-16 20:10:44

Right, and also the NY Post reported yesterday that campaign internal polls showed a tightening race in NY. So who knows.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 20:15:44

very interesting. I will check out Lemos’ take on it all.

 

Comment by Hope Floats! Flush Twice! | 2008-09-16 22:52:29

Kerry was very close in the polls, too, so McCain is probably not taking this seriously. Unless he begins to lead in the polls there.

 
 

Comment by Clara Barton | 2008-09-16 20:18:48

Or Minnesota.

 
 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-09-16 20:41:39

The latest polls are from early August, shows barfbag up 12.6% in the RCP average, for what its worth

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/ma/massachusetts_mccain_vs_obama-575.html

But the precious is running advertising here, maybe he knows something else.

I hope MA goes Red

 
 

Comment by Patti | 2008-09-16 20:03:34

I dont see Obama campaigning in my neck of the woods. He would probably stay in the City, or maybe to Albany. Hmm just dont think he wants to campaign here. He thinks people should just vote for hime because he is supposed to be a “Democrat”. HA……….

 

Comment by Patti | 2008-09-16 20:03:35

I dont see Obama campaigning in my neck of the woods. He would probably stay in the City, or maybe to Albany. Hmm just dont think he wants to campaign here. He thinks people should just vote for hime because he is supposed to be a “Democrat”. HA……….

 

Comment by avwrobel | 2008-09-16 20:08:17

I’m from Buffalo, and I could completely see McCain carrying Hillary-country New York. Even as the mainstream media is pushing back against Obambi’s sinking poll numbers (CNN is especially nauseating today) nothing can save the lying con artist Obambi. Hillary ‘08

 

Comment by trist | 2008-09-16 20:13:33

By the end of this, I predict that Obama will have lost ALL of the US and a good chunk of Canada and Mexico too!

Now that’s failure you CAN believe in!

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-16 20:18:34

Shhh. Obama thinks the Canada is part of the United States and that he totally has a lock on it.

“Look at the size of this state up here. It’s huge. Color it in blue.”

Comment by Mr. X | 2008-09-16 20:52:01

I wonder how many electoral votes Canada gets. They must get more than Guam, right?

 

Comment by Rose | 2008-09-17 01:16:32

“Look at the size of this state up here. It’s huge. Color it in blue.”

Too funny, Arabella!

 
 
 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 20:16:14

THIS OFF-TOPIC, BUT…

TONIGHT, SEAN HANNITY REVEALED THAT JOHN McCAIN INTRODUCED A BILL IN 2005 TO ADDRESS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC - IN THIS, McCAIN IS SAID TO HAVE PREDICTED THE CURRENT HOUSING MELT-DOWN AND STRONGLY ADVOCATED REFORM.

WHO OPPOSED AND REJECTED THIS BILL? THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS.

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-16 20:21:44

of course…I tell you they don’t care who they hurt..they want the repubs to look bad so they can get power…

 

Comment by orly | 2008-09-16 21:08:03

I thought the Republicans led Congress until 2006?

Comment by Jana | 2008-09-16 21:18:27

Technically, by a slim margin…it didn’t take much for the Dems to stifle any reform…and it’s true, some Repubs are to blame too!

And THAT’S why McCain is not like Bush…no more go along to getta long!

 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-09-16 22:26:54

McCain introduced it in 2005 and it came to vote in early (May-ish 2006)

Comment by Vicki | 2008-09-16 22:45:05

The Dems had enough votes to filibuster anything in 2005-6.

 

Comment by Carol | 2008-09-17 00:55:47

Oh gosh, Mayish, 2006, when the Dems were in control. How did the Great One vote on this?

 
 
 

Comment by Dan | 2008-09-16 21:50:49

If true, that will come in very handy during the debates, especially if McCain can show that Obama voted against that bill.

 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-16 22:11:38

Thank God Hannity is still fighting for the truth about Barry.

 

Comment by Hope Floats! Flush Twice! | 2008-09-16 22:55:59

Hannity has been good about talking this up. McCain might not know much about the economy, but he knows about subsidies, wasteful spending and corruption. He also saw the S and L scandal of the 80’s which was very similar. I really think he was younger and less wise then, and that experience put him on the straight and narrow path.

 

Comment by Snickers | 2008-09-17 03:30:31

If this bill was introduced in 2005 by McCain, Congress was not yet Democratic. We won in the 2006 elections. Just wanting to point that out.

 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-16 20:18:17

If I here Obama is going to lower taxes on 95% of Americans one more time…95% of Americans don’t pay taxes….

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 21:18:28

He’ll raise taxes for them by taxing the internet commerce, maybe even e-mailing + traffic. Probably higher taxes for cell-phones. Then expect higher property taxes for the recruitment of an army of teachers. Cost of tuition will increase since government will pay for part of tuition.

 
 

Comment by caligirl | 2008-09-16 20:21:21

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ELECTION 2008
Poll shows radical shift in November expectations
For 1st time this election, more Americans think McCain will win

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Posted: September 15, 2008
9:15 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A new poll shows the winds are changing in this year’s election: for the first time since Hillary Clinton conceded her party’s presidential nomination to Barack Obama, more Americans now expect Republican John McCain to defeat his Democrat opponent than vice versa.

According to Rasmussen Reports, which conducted the poll, McCain has surged from an 18-point deficit a month ago to a narrow lead over Barack Obama when voters were asked who is likely to win this year’s presidential election.

“While McCain’s 35 percent to 34 percent edge is statistically insignificant,” says the Rasmussen Reports summary of the poll, “it is a remarkable turnaround from a month ago when 46 percent expected an Obama victory versus 28 percent who thought the Republican would win.”

A Rasmussen official told WND this was the first time McCain has surpassed Obama since the polling firm began asking Americans who they thought would win the White House.

 

Comment by Canadian | 2008-09-16 20:23:27

As a non-partisan outsider, I have been watching this electoral process unfold since January. My first reaction to Obama, in the first debate in January was identical to Michael Goodwin’s, the senior Democratic strategist. Like Goodwin I also have considerable experience, in a related field.

I have watched with incredulity for 7 months those supporting Obama, waiting for the mask to finally fall, knowing that not all would be able to see the fraud behind the mask. But remember its not important that all see it, because that simply won’t happen.

What is important is that a threshold number be reached to defeat Obama. This has already happened, and the McCain camp may not need to resort to the full use of their artillery. Though one cannot be certain of anything in this world, I am certain as one could be of this. As certain as Goodwin was in January.

Don’t relent in your continued efforts against Obama and for McCain. But I think you’ll find that this spineless beast will finally be extinguished on November 4.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-16 20:26:51

What an interesting comment. Thanks for sharing it. Do you have a blog? I’d like to read more about your observations and reasoning.

Thanks for the encouragement too!

Comment by Canadian | 2008-09-16 20:42:04

Couldn’t help but chortle about Obama thinking he has Canada too (in the above post). Did you know that he thinks Canada has a President? Of course his calculations might get too messy if he knew that we in fact have a Prime Minister that runs the country, and in less time than the Americans, on Oct. 14th will almost certainly be voting Conservative.

For Obama who may not know: that’s the equivalent of the Republicans in the States.

Thanks for your kind words, but unfortunately I don’t have a blog.

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 21:08:32

 
 
 

Comment by Ferd McBerfle | 2008-09-16 20:36:15

I hoped this might be the case but never heard it from another poster. Thanks for the positive comment.

 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-09-16 22:15:03

Well, Canadian, one might have THOUGHT the scales would fall from the Obamabots eyes, but just tonight, my sister justified Obama tinking that AR bordered KY, and not knowing that KY bordered IL. I’m sorry, but a state and US Senator should know the states that border the one s/he represents. I don’t care HOW you want to excuse that.

But that is what continues to happen with Obama. He can do no wrong, and will not be held accountable for ANYTHING (Logan Act anyone??). I don’t know what has happened to our country, I honestly do not.

So - how’s that president of yours doing?? :-D

 
 

Comment by wheelz | 2008-09-16 20:25:03

Also OT:
Regarding McCain saying: The fundamentals of the economy are good… isn’t a leader supposed to try to rally a nervous market… unlike Obama who wants to wish misery on everyone. Your thoughts please?

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-16 20:28:43

all we hear from Obama is gloom and doom..McCain did the right thing…Obama was all about fear.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-16 20:31:49

Obama “It’s a disaster. And it’s your fault. You are all racists. You are not enlightened. That is why the economy is about to collapse. Obama is the only one you can save you. But you have to give me some upfront money first …”

Comment by stodghie | 2008-09-16 21:12:10

well arbella, i am back tonight after evacuating for ike and losing all power. i am still gone but hope to be back very soon. let me follow up on your comment with a recent experience i had during the ike saga. i was outside of houston in a nearby town that also lost power in a motel. all of us were pulling together and the mananger was under a lot of pressure. the restrooms are for the guests period and not the general public. yes i know it is tough both ways. that is a private business and their view.

a teengage aa girl came in and wanted to use the restroom facilities. she was told no by the manager as was the policy and others had also been told the same thing. anyway the mother came in hollerin about racism. our jaws dropped. i couldn’t believe how rude she was. everything is race is to these folks. everything.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-09-16 21:25:24

I think this playing the race card has just about run it’s course and people are DAMN SICK AND TIRED OF IT.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-16 20:28:52

I agree. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself, etc.

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 20:55:42

i couldn’t agree more. i think there have been those numerous times in our history when the president’s demeanor ‘in trying times’ helped to frame the mindset of the american people at large.

 

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 21:28:39

The same day that Obama predicted misery, he called himself ’smart.’ The Biden called Oblahblah smart three times in his speech. Then today, in Morning Joe, Biden called Oblahblah smart again.

Comment by SensibleWomanNOTforBO | 2008-09-16 22:24:15

Every time I hear someone comment that BO is smart I wonder if they don’t have faith in the intellect of other Dems. They say it as though they don’t believe there are any other smart Dems or something.

It’s sounds like a put down of other Dems to me.

 

Comment by steel magnolia | 2008-09-17 00:23:55

Did he say “articulate” again also?

 
 

Comment by Rabble Rouser Reverend Amy | 2008-09-16 22:24:52

As I understand it, McCain was saying that the principles upon which we base our economy are still strong and worthwhile principles.

And yeah, I’d rather have a leader who wants us to pull together and who tried to be part of the solution, not of the problem…

 

Comment by Jackie | 2008-09-16 22:47:40

A.) Yes a leader rallies the nation.

B.) The fundamentals of the Ecomony are strong. Here’s why:

~5% unemployment is considered fully employed. We are only 1% over that mark.

~the dollar is rising on the foreign market

~Oil has fallen to its lowest level in 6 months

C.) The average person’s savings are safe.

 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-16 20:27:20

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-16 20:33:40

 

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-16 20:36:57

 

Comment by Mary Cusack | 2008-09-16 20:39:18

jeff Beatty then. see ya in november herman munster

 

Comment by PJ | 2008-09-16 21:28:36

CRAP! Does anyone know by how much?

I guess I’ll pin my hopes on Nov. 4. That a$$ needs to go.

 
 

Comment by fred | 2008-09-16 20:40:16

Obama sidesteps reform in Illinois

For those of you who still cling to the fantasy that Barack Obama is “about change,” you should note how he, or his minions, want nothing to do with reforming politics in Illinois, perhaps the most corrupt state in the Union.

“Throughout his political career, Barack Obama has fought for open and honest government,” proclaims his campaign Web site. Apparently, no longer. When the Democratic presidential candidate—now his party’s industrial-strength voice for our deliverance from political corruption everywhere—was asked by a reformer if he would help get his political mentor back home to get off the dime and move the most minimal of state ethics legislation toward passage, the Obama campaign sent word back that amounted to a “no.”
continue reading: http://countusout.wordpress.com/

 

Comment by beachnan | 2008-09-16 20:45:46

What’s going on in California? If it is getting tighter in New York, it is probably getting tighter here too. Don’t give up on California yet. I have never voted Republican, and neither has most of my family, and yet this year, we are all voting McCain-that’s about 16 of us. We can’t be the only ones who see through the empty suit Obama. Anyone know what’s going on? PUMA!!!

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-16 21:02:16

Relative just told me McCain has a TV commercial on prime-time evening news.

Hmmm, wonder what that means…

 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-09-16 21:21:21

I don’t but there has been no recent polls released for California that I know of makes me suspicious about the poll numbers and not for Obama’s favor.

 

Comment by Diana | 2008-09-16 21:40:14

Most of my family is in Ohio and we’re a huge clan. I have 9 brothers and sisters and their spouses, most of their children are of voters age also. All are voting for McCain. The family I have here in CA is also voting for McCain. That’s not huge just 9 of us total, but all my friends are voting for McCain. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not, some are Republicans so I would think or hope they’d naturally vote for him.

Although, I do have three friends and my daughter who are all members of PETA that drag me out every chance they get. I’m not a member of PETA I agree with part of their agenda, other parts I don’t. I think you have to pick and choose your fights. Anyway they’re all voting for McCain could care less what Pam or PETA say about it, plus all three have said if they try to push too hard they’re out. They’ll completely discontinue their PETA support. Which I know wouldn’t be easy for them, one has been a member since it first started. She’s the one that got my daughter involved in it.

 

Comment by Vicki | 2008-09-16 22:51:01

We just moved to California from AZ and all three of us are voting R. So I guess that makes three more, LOL!

Comment by Pinay46 | 2008-09-16 23:07:51

All 5 in our family ( 2 R,2 D, 1 Ind) here in So.Cal are voting for the McCain/Palin team. By the way, I was a Hillraiser, and a PUMA.

 
 

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-16 22:56:41

I know this group is pretty pro-military in Iraq, but I’m still hoping Cindy Sheehan (sp?) does a number on Pelosi.

 

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-09-16 23:42:23

Californian voting for McCain here.

 
 

Comment by Kevin | 2008-09-16 20:46:32

Wonder if barfy makes another “bitter” comment at Babs tonight.
The gaffes need to keep a coming.
His greatest enemy is himself.

Comment by Ferd McBerfle | 2008-09-16 20:50:39

The Great Gaffe is coming with a campaign meltdown to immediately ensue. He can’t keep that teleprompter with him 24 hours a day. I’m just waiting for it.

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 20:58:59

we ‘little people’ may not be privy to any such gaffe… the lips of the media elite shall be sealed.

Comment by Kevin | 2008-09-16 21:25:59

The comment in SF leaked, there’s no way the spy won’t be in the house tonight.

 
 
 

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-09-16 20:47:35

I’m sure Obama is losing ground with Democrats because Obama is not a Democrat. For the life of me, I can’t think of one thing about the guy that is remotely progressive or liberal or Democratic. Can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 21:44:03

No. And the proof is that he voted 139 times “present” in the Illinois … It has more than one meaning. It means that he does not align himself with the party.

 
 

Comment by McKatmoon | 2008-09-16 20:47:50

An observation as well regarding the MSM,

predicting

, where votes will go and how; First they still do not understand they are not in charge of the election, they are to report on it, not create it, not change it and not try to force an outcome.
Second, be very aware of the spin, in numbers, and simply use common sense, and understanding when there is a use over and over again by means of trying to create numbers, of people boxed into groups, as a magic 8-ball of how well Obama is doing. It is beyond smoke and mirrors, it is manipulation of the worse kind and an effort to further manipulate the vote by all kinds of methods, popularity right out front with a bizarre definition of political correctness, that doesn’t match any humans I know involved in the election at this point(example~not voting for Obama is racist~).
Never lose site of the fact of a simple truth of responsibility. You are only in control of your own actions, not others. IF you choose to “go along with” you will be considered to be part of the group you are falling in line with. If you understand and comprehend your behavior is what you can control, then you also realize, no one can predict this. You are an individual, not a carbon copy, and your vote is yours and yours alone, not anyone’s to take and manipulate and to force in some imaginary box.

 

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 20:50:30

Soon enough McCain and Palin will campaign again together in those states that have tightened up for McCain and the rest will be history. But McCain is battling this week on the issue of the economy and Oblahblah has a slight advantage in that he can point at Bush and people don’t like Bush.

Comment by McKatmoon | 2008-09-16 21:00:48

Only if people fail to see the connection in the failing market and the relationship of Fannie Mae, etc, housing issues to those in community organizations who would promote housing, for those they know cannot afford what is being offered. At some point the person trying to obtain a loan for beyond their means, has to take some responsibility. Any group with ties to an organization that would take advantage of consumers who do not have the funds to afford the “chance” to own a home, only to line their pockets with the dirty money this type of relationship brings. Brings to mind Acorn, brings to mind voter fraud, brings to mind Obama.

 
 

Comment by mel | 2008-09-16 20:51:46

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 21:03:22

awesome…grabbed it…thanks!

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 21:10:53

me too. thanks.

 

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-09-16 21:46:26

 

Comment by hilldemgoneindie | 2008-09-16 22:26:41

FANTASTIC, mel!! i grabbed it and sent it out. thanx.

 
 

Comment by iVet | 2008-09-16 21:02:11

S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005
A bill to address the regulation of secondary mortgage market enterprises, and for other purposes.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190&tab=summary
Because this bill was introduced in a previous session of Congress, no more action can occur on this bill. To see if related legislation is introduced in the current Congress, you will have to monitor the relevant subject areas, such as the ones listed in the Other Info tab.

Primary Source

See S. 190 [109th] on THOMAS for the official source of information on this bill. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s190:

Sponsor:
Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Cosponsors [as of 2007-01-08]
Sen. Elizabeth Dole [R-NC]
Sen. John McCain [R-AZ]
Sen. John Sununu [R-NH]

1/26/2005–Introduced.
Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 - Amends the Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 to establish: (1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.
Amends the Federal Home Loan Bank Act to establish the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation. Transfers the functions of the Office of Finance of the Federal Home Loan Banks to such Corporation.
Excludes the Federal Home Loan Banks from certain securities reporting requirements.
Abolishes the Federal Housing Finance Board.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:s190:

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-16 21:13:11

good find. that’s just what i needed. thanks!

 

Comment by iVet | 2008-09-16 21:14:37

The old fly-boy may have set BO up for a sucker punch by not talking about this yet. Letting him prattle on today and lie about coming up with the tax stimulus plan that he didn’t have time to make it to vote on. He may just let this story come out on its own and then he can say, yes, I told you I have tried to reform things in the past and been shot down in Congress. The above bill never passed.

 

Comment by bmc | 2008-09-17 09:12:43

iVet,

Thanks, your research is invaluable.

 
 

Comment by Michael | 2008-09-16 21:07:30

Ha…! Being from North Dakota n’ all, I was bewildered when I noticed Bawacks assumption earlier this year that ND/SD/MT were states he would turn blue. I thought to myself… hmmm, an arrogant black man who stole the nomination away from Hill is going to carry conservative North Dakota ??!! Say wha? Wha tha FU** >??

LMAO.

TOO BAD! Us bitter, small town folk gonna have the last say !!

*giggle*

Comment by wodiej | 2008-09-16 21:17:04

he also said he wanted to turn Indiana blue…NOT. We haven’t went Democrat for a President since 1964 and it won’t be this year either.

 

Comment by Kal | 2008-09-16 21:20:06

Hi, ND. Even UND isn’t going to go for BO — that’s for sure. And that’s hardcore lifelong dem territory in a lot of ND — lots of old railroad and other labour families carry on the tradition. Not buying BO’s brand of ‘dem’ at all!!

 
 

Comment by wodiej | 2008-09-16 21:15:38

I can’t believe Axelrod and the Obama campaign are that stupid to think they can overwhelm their way into the White House w rallies and rock concerts! I know we have Hollywood but the majority of the country is not like that. It is a very small portion of America and the rest of us will not vote that way.

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-16 22:39:43

I lived in the bay area (SF) for all of my life but moved to Colorado 3 1/2 years ago. Sad to say, but I can acknowledge now that I really DID think like these obots do about the rest of America. Now whenever I go back to CA, I think how out of touch my thinking was and can see it still in my friends. They actually do eat arugala and think everyone in middle America are hicks.

Comment by sproutingly | 2008-09-16 23:41:46

Yes, I moved back to SF after years and the snobbery is palpable. Used to not be so. It is the only thing I dislike about the city. Besides the traffic.

 
 
 

Comment by lark | 2008-09-16 21:22:21

I think Fox gave O’Reilly to Oblahblah to show balance since Greta is all the way McCain/Palin. And Greta is the rising star at Fox and the one with the highest credibility.

If Greta begins to cover OJ, O’Reilly will revert back to attacking Oblahblah.

 

Comment by McKatmoon | 2008-09-16 21:31:30

Throw a wrench in the polls, vote an absentee ballot.

 

Comment by jangles | 2008-09-16 21:31:42

Bud: Another great post from you. Interesting data on the race in the red states. It seems like the swing and blue state polls are in transition but it is very up in the air. McCain seems to have lost a little ground this week. I am very interested in seeing how the fund raising works out. I think Obama is so accustomed to unlimited spending that if he has to start watching expenditures he may have difficulty doing it which could leave him in some trouble at the end of the race. We also do not know how this is really playing out within the Democratic party and down ticket dems.

Comment by Kevin | 2008-09-16 21:45:57

the polling always has had the built in “fudge factor” of error margin. the fact is that Mac has a rise in the polls due to the convention, the VP choice and the polls are showing movement towards Mac in some swing states and some supposedly safe blue states. What is troubling is that some supposed safe states, MA, CA for barfy, do not have polling data that is newer that pre-convention. Those will be very interesting.
I want to see Chappaqua, NY as a shutout for Mac, now that would be funny, with video of President and Senator C coming out from voting and then a big fat goose egg for barfy and his drunk buddy Joe

 

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-16 21:50:46

Thank you. I am interested in the money too. Susan’s excellent post from earlier shows that Democrats don’t have the resources for all their down tix races. If Obama loses, and takes a bunch of folks with him, there might be a chance for a real house cleaning, which is what I want.

 
 

Comment by thierry | 2008-09-16 21:35:26

wait a minute,what do politicians think we are? I personally don’t see how and in the name of what HILLARY CLINTON is asking people today to vote for ”change” she herself zero in the primaries.does she change her mind? is obama qualified today to be our president? Tell Hillary though we still love her she is making us sick with her call to vote for someone she believes is not ready to be president.our will of HILLARY to become the next president was not based on the fact that she is a democrat,but on the fact that we saw a good leader in her.tell her to stop destroying her future because this is becoming clear that politicians are not on the side of we the people.LET’S KEEP OUR FAITH IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 01:24:24

“LET’S KEEP OUR FAITH IN WHAT WE BELIEVE IN.”

POLITICIANS SHOULD SPEAK TO US - NOT FOR US!

 
 

Comment by Above My Pay Grade | 2008-09-16 21:38:05

Fun McCain video here:

http://vodpod.com/watch/835874-mccain-sings-streisand

I love that, while he takes the needs of our country, he doesn’t take himself to seriously (unlike his pompous opponent).

Comment by hilldemgoneindie | 2008-09-16 22:35:12

omg… i LOVE this video. i showed it to my mom the other night and not only did she love it, she fell more in love with mccain. what a weird world we live in right now.

y’know, i’m a HUGE streisand fan (obviously not her politics and i’m going to have to reevaluate… but i digress) and i STILL have her album that was a live concert for mcgovern. i listened to it a g’zillion times but that was before i got political. hahahahahaha!! i love history - it always repeats itself. based on the outcome of THAT album, here’s to a repeat performance by the dem candidate.

 
 

Comment by Peggy Sue | 2008-09-16 21:56:41

I’ve always thought that the pride, hubris is what would bring “The One” down.

When Obama lost to Hillary by huge numbers in the Coal Belt–western Pa., Ohio, Ky., TN., and W. Virginia–the prudent move was to concentrate on those areas, a personal appeal to the working class, lunch bucket brigade. Would it have been tough, uncomfortable? Absolutely. But that’s where he needed to go with a genuine outreach, to ensure people that he spoke and represented their needs, their aspirations, as well as the rest of America.

Instead, he went for the adoration tour in Europe.

Hello? But the the global community doesn’t vote.

I don’t give a frigging dollar to what the rest of the world thinks in an American election. This is our baby, our deal. You can take the “world citizen” nonsense and stuff it in a back pack. It’s irrelevant, meaningless.

Barack Obama lost all credibility when he stood before the Germans and pretended he was “Emperor of the World.” And then, when he crowned himself a demigod in Denver.

The word “offensive” doesn’t even cover it. And sadly, I’m ashamed that I ever called myself a Democrat.

 

Comment by Michael | 2008-09-16 22:01:06

…..yo Mr Bud. One thing that doesnt seem to get to much mention is the so-called “Bradley Affect”. Regardless of what people way when they are polled by phone, I still am willing to bet that a sizeable percentage of white people still are not going to vote for a black man. This is unfortunate, but I think it will contribute to Obama’s big loss this fall. Specially in swing states. (PA/OH)

 

Comment by QUEENIE | 2008-09-16 22:16:30

I find it rather funny that those in the dem party i have known a long time, who told me to stop sending emails about how dangerous and what a crook Obama is , during the latter part of the primary are now writing me saying they want to talk to me ..and want my support for Obama..

It actually makes me laugh..a dem club i helped build and build up, and that got alot of $$ from me..and we built it up to almost 400 members is down right now to about 30 people ..in NJ..no one is going..and i know they need my money..and as far as I am concerend, they can scratch my———-
they have no signs up for Obama..because I guess they don’t have my money to buy them for them????

Again they can scratch..my money off their list. But it is the local dems that are lsoing out big time..because people like me that were very active are not doing fund raisers for them..and not contributing to them.

I have never sat out an election without working my rear end off for all the dem candidates ..and this year??.. they get from me what Donna Brazile said..they don’t need me..so they didn’t get me..in any way..no work and no money..for any of them.

But the little obot butt kissers are now being sent to beg those of us who have given mightily before..because i am getting emails from all the obotasskissers..and it is so obvious it is really pathetic..

Well, as I have said many times..I stand with country over party..I love my country more than I love any party.

If it was any other person as candidate, that was not a crook, did not steal a primary , and that person had integrity.( sound like Hillary?) the dem party would have gotten 100% work from me on the ground, and they would have gotten alot of money..and all my support..but this year..they can kiss my sweet ass!

I want to see a landslide defeat..in the blue states..so we can for once and for all take this corrupt party to its knees and clean the damn house out!

This is one lady that is in the mood for a good house cleaning!!

Comment by QUEENIE | 2008-09-16 22:25:58

Oh and tonight I called my republican girlfriends and asked them if they want to go with me next Monday to NY to the UN to see Sarah Palin…and Hillary.I think they thought I flipped my lid..but they were so delighted ..that I asked them to go with me!!

What has Barky done for unity?..he is unifying me with my republican girlfriends for the first time ever politcally….which has always been a bone of contention within our friendships!!..no more!

McCain /Palin for me..PUMA!

Comment by Above My Pay Grade | 2008-09-16 22:56:34

Apparently, Hillary was “blindslided” by the organizers (not told Palin would be there) and has canceled.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jVDdTXyizJSZq-zJ6D2Az16gjBiQD9387F000

That is a shame. It would have been great to see the two most prominent political women in America there together.

I can understand why she would cancel, but politically I think it would have been much better for her to attend. Of course 4 years from now, nobody will remember this anyway.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-16 23:05:48

I understand why Hillary could not attend under those circumstances. I like Palin, but I’ve watched Hillary on C-Span so often and was a delegate for her throughout the campaign. She has wond a tremendous place in history for Democratic women, and she needs to do what feels right for her. Palin’s character is good. But Hillary’s knowledge, experience, history of accomplishments are far and away more impressive. It was unfair to blind side her that way.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Alien | 2008-09-17 00:01:50

I was thinking if Hillary wore her orange pant suit & Ahmed saw her he would think she was from Guantanamo .

 

Comment by Babs | 2008-09-17 00:08:36

I have such mixed feelings about Hillary right now that sometimes it keeps me up at night. The beautiful thing about campaigning for her, watching her blossom, and watching her win my state by talking to all the little guys, was that I never once had to make an excuse for her, never once thought she wasn’t in it for the love of country and a real caring for me and mine. I know what a scumbag Obama is. I am 65 years old and have been bamboozled by the best of them, but this time around I can see through this fraud as if he were made of Saran wrap. And I do believe his inexperience and obvious lack of judgment, added to his secretive and vindictive nature, are a real danger to this country. So now I see my beloved Hillary on the stump for him, and I have to make excuses for her, rationalize away her support in ways that deep down I know are disingenuous at best, and at worst a total rejection of principles that have guided me my entire life. It’s not a good feeling.

Comment by Snickers | 2008-09-17 03:54:13

yes, Babs, I agree. It is a sad moment.

 
 

Comment by Karen | 2008-09-17 01:08:55

Re: Obama’s take on the economy

He could save lots of money just by being honest and change his: Change we Need to

Vote for me and I’ll send you money.

 

Comment by Steve | 2008-09-17 03:02:50

Come on, someone has to be blamed for the poor poll performances! Since they lose the red states anyhow, why not blaming them, because they quite frankly don’t get it. Must be that small town, rural, bible thumping, gun carrying, white, racist, sexist bunch who would not vote for a BLACK male with a funny name…

They never liked him…

 

Comment by djmm | 2008-09-17 09:35:09

OT, but the Libertarian Party is trying to get both Senators McCain and Obama off the ballot in Texas, based supposedly on late filing:
http://www.lptexas.org/release-20080827.shtml

That would be very strange.

djmm

 

Comment by DancingOpossum | 2008-09-17 11:42:29

Hope Floats, I recently had to some research into MTR and it is indeed, a horrible practice. It needs to be stopped as part of any energy bill. Sadly, it seems the state of WestVa is sadly beholden to mining interests.

 

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