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The Three Stages of Panic

During the primaries and up until the convention, many Obama supporters pushed the narrative that Hillary supporters had to go through the classic stages of grief before we accepted Obama. On Correntewire, Lambert writes that Josh Marshall and others:

started running the “stages of grief” trope on Hillary supporters way back in February—you know, from anger, through denial, bargaining, depression, to acceptance. It’s an easy riff to run, even for bad writers, so it’s been all over the Obama blogs

Of course this “stages of grief” narrative oozed with sexism and condescension. The subtext implied that Hillary’s female supporters, emotional at the loss, had to be given post-partum recovery time, but then they would come around and, for those hold-outs, a few reminders about Roe v. Wade would get them in line. That was the strategy throughout the summer.

McCain’s selection of Palin as vice president, exquisitely timed to halt Obama’s bounce, has dominated the news for more than two weeks. It has also radically re-shaped the race. By most reports, Obama is slightly behind McCain in national polls and, more importantly, McCain has taken the lead in the electoral college.

The panic from the Obamabots in palpable.

Let me suggest that there are 3 levels of panic.

1. Wunderwaffen.

During World War Two, Hitler forced his beleaguered arms manufacturers to produce “miracle weapons,” strange armaments which he believed would turn the war in Germany’s favor.

Like armchair generals in a losing battle, losing political campaigns have supporters who desire the Wunderwaffen, a magical weapon which can sink the other side or a proven winner who can take the reins of the campaign and guide it to victory. In 2004, while Kerry was being hammered by Bush, many pleaded for James Carville to take over Kerry’s war room and provide the message discipline from 1992. From the Democratic Underground, August 27, 2004:

I have been saying this for over a month now…I wrote Mr Carville the following email:

Mr. Carville, please save the Kerry campaign!
He is throwing out sound bites that are perfect ammo for Rove and his evil crew. You can train this man.You can save this campaign and this country. We need you Mr. Carville.

In 2008, as victory becomes increasingly uncertain, Obama supporters are banking on voter registration and the belief that cell phone users are not accounted for in national polls. The same theories were trotted out in 2004 but the polls then fairly predicted the actual vote. However, there are even stranger ideas floating around Obama-land. At TalkLeft, there’s an armchair general named mmc9431 who believes that Obama should announce part of his cabinet now and turn them into roving ambassadors for the campaign:

Obama needs to come out with something very bold on his own if he’s going to have any chance of regaining the advantage.
Maybe he should announce ahead of time, 3 of his cabinet choices that would motivate his base. Sec of State, Attorney General and Sec of Treasury. These 3 could then go out and campaign of their platform. We’d have three people out there constantly pounding on issues rather than personalities.

Likewise, over at Daily Kos, Ursa Majority’s Wunderwaffen is one good television ad that will convince all the “low information” rubes to vote for Obama:

Yes, you heard it right. We need a killer ad (radio and TV) to get back onto message while shrinking McCain. And, with middle and low information swing voters, you’ve got to try to tie it all together in one digestible message. So, let’s get back to our effective messages of the post “Obama as Britney” era (i.e., McCain isn’t taking the issues seriously) and use McCain’s words and actions against him.

2. Denial

Obama supporters are now somewhere between searching for the magic bullet and denying that anything is wrong. The Kerry campaign is also rich with similar examples at a similar time in the campaign.

On September 17, 2004, almost exactly four years ago, Cartooner, at Democratic Underground, predicted that John Kerry would win in a landslide:

Call it an epiphany; call it crazy, and it’s just a hunch; but hey, A HUNCH made Quasi Modo famous…

~snip~

The economy, health care, jobs, LIES,

the messages are FINALLY STARTING TO RESONATE …

Ok… Maybe I’m an optimist; but I think Kerry will win on a
LANDSLIDE …

This campaign is also filled with delusion. A poster on Craig’s List gives Obama odds I’d like to take to Las Vegas:

Date: 2008-09-12, 12:32AM EDT
Location: new haven

He’s definitely going to win. No question.

What chances would you give him? I’d give him 100%.

3. Acceptance

The last stage is filled with sadness and recriminations.

Lentinel writes:

my heart sinks.
I lay some of the blame at Obama’s door.
As soon as he was assured of the nomination he turned South, figuratively speaking.
He voted for FISA.
He disowned public financing.
He went on preaching to evangelicals.
He waffled on his commitment to withdraw troops from Iraq.
He waffled on his commitment to the right of women to an abortion.
And, of course, he went on to treat Hillary Clinton and her supporters like dirt.

And Daily Kos’ DaveinSiliconValley has a diary titled: “Why (Sadly) Obama Will Probably Lose”

A few days ago I had a conversation with a mid-fifties nonreligious, pro-choice, Caucasian, suburban mother who thinks the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, that Bush was a terrible president, and is concerned that McCain may get us into another war, but she is “seriously thinking” about voting for McCain. I will give you a clue. She is absolutely going to vote for McCain.

I asked, given the way she feels on the issues, why isn’t she voting for Obama? She said “I don’t know.” I pressed her. She said, “I don’t trust him.” I asked why and she said “I don’t know.”

Obama can hit this lady with a thousand commercials explaining his stand on the issues and why his plans for the country are better than McCain’s plans and it will have no effect whatsoever on her vote. Zero. She is issue-proof.

What’s going on? Is it just subliminal racism? It’s not that simple.

After the 2004 election, Democrats became obsessed with psychoanalyzing the electorate. I engaged in some of this myself. Searching for answers, we read What’s the Matter with Kansas? but failed to find the answer. Believing, like DaveinSiliconvalley, that Republicans controlled the electorate with subliminal powers, we read George Lakoff’s Don’t think of an Elephant, but we found that framing issues is only one small part of winning elections. Framing can come across as patronizing, e.g., you’re pushing your agenda on the electorate instead of listening to their needs.

In 2006, as I began thinking about the next presidential cycle, I finally got around to reading Hillary’s Living History and President Clinton’s My Life. The Clintons, both policy wonks, believe that winning campaigns put forward good policies which appeal to the electorate’s aspirations. The voters do not need to be cajoled or hypnotized into voting for a candidate. The voters decide the issues and the politicians offer solutions.

The Clintons taught Democrats how to win elections. Remember, Bill Clinton was the first Democrat elected to a second term since 1936. Also, let’s not forget the magnitude of Hillary’s victories; she won Florida, Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Kentucky; she won West Virginia by 40%. A few caucus states and Obama’s delegate stealing in Michigan made the difference. Let’s not pretend that Obama was the people’s choice. The primary campaign was not a decisive win by either candidate, and millions of Hillary supporters will never forgive the way she was treated by those within the Party, to say nothing of the media.

The Clintons win by offering proposals to make people’s lives better. On the campaign trail, they talk incessantly about helping working people, and they both have an unwavering commitment to the nation’s defense. The Clintons reject flowery rhetoric and use a clear communication strategy. Their strategy is effective; they know how to build winning coalitions. I have no doubt that Hillary would now be locking down battleground states on her march to the White House.

Hillary won the popular vote and nearly all the important states. She was positioned to win the General Election. Hillary, like President Clinton, built a coalition based on economic opportunity and national renewal. Obama took the nomination because he controlled much of the Party’s infrastructure: his supporters controlled the hierarchy of the Democratic Party, specifically the Rules and Bylaws Committee, and he was funded and fueled by the activist base, by groups like MoveOn.org, and he was supported by the netroots and the media.

Now that the General Election is in peril, these groups, who failed to provide the base of the Party with any reason to vote for Obama other than habit, scramble to connect with the very voters they demonized during the primary as “low information” and hopelessly bitter. No one television ad or high paid adviser can turn the tide. Let them panic.

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Comment by Kelvin Hearts PUMAs | 2008-09-17 18:00:25

Actually, you PUMAs can start panicing. Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Comment by James | 2008-09-17 18:03:29

Hillary would have been up in double digits. So bragging about being tied is nothing to brag about in a election cycle like this.

Go away troll.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:35:23

specially when McCain is up (via that very link) by 20 in Electoral votes.
Can’t you almost SEE the fear in kevin’s eyes, even through the computer screen?

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-09-17 22:44:53

He sure is a dumb fuck, isn’t he, when he provides a source citation that screws his own argument!

:lol:

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-09-17 23:48:34

I heart your stupid posts Kevin!! Your sheer desperation speaks volumes about how seriously flawed Obama’s campaign is….well, it’s flawed because it has a flawed empty suit candidate!

Comment by imustprotest | 2008-09-17 23:50:29

opps…I forgot…XXs and OOs to Kevin hearts posts!!

PUMA POWER

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by Minnow | 2008-09-17 18:04:26

Well, I’m sure there’s a Pandora’s Box of TV ads that eager Republicans are dying to unload - I have no doubt that will redress the issue. It’s time America found out the ugly truth about Obama and his cronies.

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-17 18:10:59

 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:23:41

I use to believe there was a big gun, but, what I have seen is garbage. To dismantle this man, Mccain has to stop being the nice guy and hammer him with the worst smear. The worst. Not these little disagreement like ” He sign for this and he sign for that” childish fights. You guys don’t want this guy to get his polls any higher- then come out with the big guns and destroy him big time! His crowds are getting bigger again- people are forgetting all his ties and all his socialist agenda. The Rev Wright tape is old- unless you can find another juicy one that nobody has seen. If you have the big guns- come out with it and start using dirty politics. Right now in the state of Florida, they have an enoromous campaign growing from the ground up for Obama. Wake the hell up, Republicans, Independents, and Centrax- get the stuff out already!

Comment by Tristan | 2008-09-18 01:18:00

Don’t fall for that trap - that’s exactly what Obamacrats are doing, making Obama turn up the heat and go more and more negative. The negativity just turns off the voter. Do you even watch political ads any more or do you tune them out? All that money on the air is wasted now and we assume anything in them is, if not a lie, at least a half-truth. Ads don’t move us anymore.

McCain is at his best when he stands up tall and tells the truth. He doesn’t need to go negative or assassinate Obama’s character. All he has do to is look the American people in the eye and tell them that they deserved better than what they got this last eight years under Bush, and that he will fight every day to reform both the Republican party and the US Government, and that he’s been fighting all his life for his country. That’s all he needs to do, both in the debates and advertisements.

 
 

Comment by Jack | 2008-09-17 18:53:08

The Rezko ads will come. The $300,000 laundered to Obama via the land transactions.

 

Comment by Carol | 2008-09-17 19:01:39

Yes like meddling in the Iraq troop withdrawal situation and possibly facing charges of being guilty of violating the Logan Act. Ooops, poor Obama.

 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-09-17 18:08:04

We have had four years of an empty headed empty suit! No more!

Comment by OBSP | 2008-09-17 18:10:46

I meant 8 years. What do you know about BO? He’s the greatest marketing plan created. When I see him now I can only think of Mad Men. They convienced america that smoking was cool and now the marketing guys are trying to convience us that BO is cool.

 
 

Comment by Hope Floats | 2008-09-17 18:08:47

McCain’s still ahead in state polls. The national poll stuff is right on schedule, +2 Obama from Gallup.

Good: now I can go vacuum the rug.

 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-17 18:11:15

I live in Colorado and the folks here are getting excited about doing phone banks and hitting the pavement. The obarry for change people who keep on calling me for donation and votes are almost not surprised when I tell them HELL NO. One guy even said “I guess you’re voting Republican this year?” LOL, what a loser.

Comment by Dtaylor | 2008-09-17 18:27:50

I agree — Colorado for McCain/Palin!

 
 

Comment by vinnie | 2008-09-17 18:12:13

I live in Colorado and the folks here are getting excited about doing phone banks and hitting the pavement for McCain and Palin. The o-barry for change people who keep on calling me for donation and votes are so not surprised when I tell them HELL NO. One guy even said “I guess you’re voting Republican this year?” LOL, what a loser.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:35:24

I live in Colorado, too. One tried to convince me to meet him for coffee so he could explain the error of my thinking. Again, I told him I was just too busy ironing shirts, cooking dinner, and then would need to get back in the tub where I belong.

99 problems but a BO aint one.

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:47:13

Diana, that is so funny………you should have added- bitter, clinging to gun and religion too..

 

Comment by Firefly | 2008-09-17 18:49:05

LOL! Mind if I use some of those next time I get a call from the obots?

Comment by chezmadame | 2008-09-17 20:53:01

I know it isn’t nice, but I have a friend who calls Arianna Huffington “Zsa Zsa the BO HO”.
It is kind of funny.

As for those realclearpolitics poll numbers, when Barky’s numbers start looking really bad, they drop USA Today/Gallup poll from the calculations. This brings Barky’s average up.

Realclearpolitics is a CNN website, and they’ve been dropping USA Today/Gallup to skew the numbers on and off since August.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Buzz Latte | 2008-09-17 18:14:14

Keep the numbers tight. Keep the Obots still hoping. Keep the hype going and the dialoque. Keep peoples’ minds on the election.

Bring out the 527s in full force. Bring out the whitey tape once and for all. Let the lawsuit against Obama and the DNC proceed. Let the lawsuit over Obama’s fraudulent IL bar application proceed. Let Fitzgerald still do his work in Chi-town.

REALLY? PUMAS should be scared over one day’s fractional poll numbers?

BWAAAAHAAAAA HAAAA!

 

Comment by Duras | 2008-09-17 18:15:05

Check back with us after the debates, dickweed.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:39:07

Um uh uh um uh uh, I’m afraitd I won’t be able to follow O’s long-winded, condescending lectures as I cling to my “guns” and religion.

As an ex-teacher, I also know the concentration span of most young people–five seconds. He’ll put us all to sleep.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:24:55

He’ll put us all to sleep

…Those of us that are not already…

LOL :)

 
 

Comment by mimi | 2008-09-17 20:05:28

That’s what I’m waiting for, the debates.

But McCain, BE WARNED:

What if the moderators do to McCain what they did to Hillary? Softball 0bama and play Hardball with McCain. I hope McCain prepares himself for a hostile media.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:45:37

McCain would call them on it right then and there, not later. He’ll stand up, ask when they’re going to ask equivalent questions of each person and if they don’t, he’ll walk out. McCain doesn’t have to be “nice” to barky, HIS party would enjoy him dissing obama like he disses everybody else.
The debates will be fair or it will be one hell of a show.

Comment by NoBamaNoWay | 2008-09-18 04:31:09

correct. if/when he calls the media on their obama-loving he will shut them down, plus make himself look stronger for standing up to a group that could potentially hurt him. you know Obambino would never do that.

 
 
 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:16:12

Yah, yah, go back to the student center and see if anyone wants to play ping pong.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:49:56

ya know, 75% of those doing all this pushing for obama aren’t even old enough to vote. They’re working hard alright, and probably saying they’re the adult of the house when the pollsters call, but they aren’t, and they aren’t old enough to vote (they also aren’t dead or a family pet so they can’t vote in chicago either). Obama’s base can’t help him unless they lower the voting age to 16.
Can’t wait to listen to the obibots cry and whine on Nov 6. Everyone that I hear or see, I will proudly procliam, “For all you do, Hillary, this ‘dud’s’ for you” as they cry in their soda over losing LMAO (not old enough to drink beer either)
She will be relishing obama’s obliteration right along with us, if not in public, at least in her heart.

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:38:28

chiten — Democrats lose even when they are totally unified. They lose when people agree with them on every issue. This time however, they will lose because they are not unified and the electoral map favors Republicans. Independents are breaking for McCain. The rightwing of the Republican Party is totally unified and upbeat and the PUMA’s which could be as much as 1/2 of the Hillary supporters (9,000,000) voters are voting for McCain.

Therefore, electoral map, PUMA, Rightwing, Independents–Obama you are going to lose. GET OVER IT. I guess you could always cheat–keep that in mind as a desperate move.

 
 
 

Comment by Sarasota | 2008-09-17 18:16:44

This troll is in the denial stage…I am looking forward to the acceptance stage in November.

 

Comment by catherine | 2008-09-17 18:22:20

Yawn. Poor bots. They don’t realize what everyone else does. It’s over. We’re very much going to enjoy the next month and a half as the republicans destroy your Chicago thug.

PUMA

 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-09-17 18:31:28

Oh we’re just shaking.

Swift boats. Two weeks. See ya.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:38:38

Thanks Uppity Women. More for the Zune.

Less for the lune.

Longer Boats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtsUrsgXnII&feature=related

 
 

Comment by No Obamislamists | 2008-09-17 18:31:39

Notice though that several pollsters like Hotline use an extremely weight Dem sample, sometimes as must as 41% of the sample. On many of these polls the Dems automatically start with a 7-9% point advantage, and Obama is still only 1-3 points ahead, maximum.

It’s going to come down to who is the most psyched (right now GOP) and who will get the people out there. The youth vote is notorious for flaking out, and I don’t see that being any different this year.

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 18:41:37

It’s one of the reasons I have not yet officially changed my part affiliation. I’m sure I’m somehow being counted in O’s camp since I get so much of his begging letters.

Comment by hilldemgoneindie | 2008-09-17 18:59:55

heheh… me too (snickersnicker).

 
 
 

Comment by Jude | 2008-09-17 18:35:25

the national polls are close, but the state polls show a clear trend away from obama.

 

Comment by Bob | 2008-09-17 18:39:31

This is temporary, my friend, just temporary. : )

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:52:23

yup, come November, we’ll never have to hear obama bore us to death with his long winded drivel ever again :)

 
 

Comment by Al C. | 2008-09-17 18:43:37

PUMAs don’t need to panic.

The PANIC is still BO’s and his supporters. This is a group that essentially promised they’d be up about 20 points by now.

Guess what?

And, who has been doing most of the negative campaigning seen so far? The Republicans have barely warmed up while the BO campaign has been doing everything it can to slime McCain. They are only getting back to “even” after all the one sided (i.e., favorable) MSM coverage and negative ads.

If you really think the signs are good for BO, then you need to return to earth.

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:03:49

Whichever way the race goes it’s going to be very close. The fact is given the economy, the war, and Bush’s overall unpopularity, Obama should be way ahead in the polls. If Hillary were the nominee As usual the DNC blew it. The only time they’ve gotten a right in recent memory is Bill Clinton, and they’ve done what they can to marginalize him.

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:06:28

Sorry–accidentally hit add comment. I believe if Hillary were the nominee the Democrats would be comfortably ahead, not in the knock-down drag-out they’re in.

Comment by Psychic madwoman | 2008-09-18 00:54:18

No Shit,

She would be be up by double digits. Dean is a dunce.

 
 

Comment by Deep Truths | 2008-09-17 20:10:48

Pelosi and Reid’s number or BELOW George DUBYA.

In other words, the dems are not that jazzed about towing the line. They feel just as estranged from their own party as opposed to being offended by the Republicans who are offering up front REFORMERS, not hope and changey ‘promises’.

Like Bill Clinton said; “If you had a chance to choose the person who could get 50% of something done, as opposed to promising 100% and delivering zero, whom would you pick?”

 
 
 

Comment by beebop | 2008-09-17 18:44:03

I wish you could spell.

Let me tell you this. Every single ad here in Ohio from zeromama is negative. Not one tells us what zeromama can do. Not one. How long do you think it will take before people get tired?

Nothing but negative. Nada. I guess when you have no record to run on though, you have to take pot shots at your opponent, right?

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 18:50:50

“Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.”

FIRST, you can LEARN HOW TO SPELL ‘panicking’;

SECOND, it’s all about the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:43:05

Ipods don’t come with calculators…

 
 

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-09-17 19:06:34

I would be more concerned about NY & NJ now considered being swing states

 

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 19:09:35

Kelvin Hearts Pumas: “Actually, you PUMAs can start panicing. Per realclearpolitics.com, McCain’s lost his lead.”

Kelvin, I don’t know where you’ve been for the past month, but it’s been a tie. Don’t you read the fine print at the bottom of the polls about the pluses and minuses?

There’s no reason for the McCain supporters to panic. The scandals in McCain’s life we already know about. We already know that McCain (except for his years in Hanoi) was a goof-up until he was in his 40’s and decided to run for Congress. He graduated at the bottom of his class at Annapolis, nearly drowned when he crashed one plane because he didn’t do his homework, had numerous affairs after his return from Vietnam, left his first wife for his current wife and found himself in the middle of the Keating savings and loans mess. I guess we could find out he prefers coffee made in a 1960’s percolator and popcorn made in a hot air popper instead of a bag in the microwave. The touchy stuff in Governor Palin’s past has made the airwaves and very few flocked away from the McCain campaign and the ones who did, appear to have gone back to third party or I don’t know status.

However, Senator McCain hasn’t started loading his guns on the Senator Obama campaign yet. The ridiculous kindergarten sex ed. ad and the big to-do about the lipstick statement shows the McCain campaign will fight dirty, embellishing and misconstruing anything they can get their hands on that they don’t think is inflammatory enough on it’s own. With the public already having a mistrust in Senator Obama, there’s more reason for the Obama campaign to be panicking than the McCain campaign.

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 19:13:02

P.S. Kelvin - come on over to the dark side. Jump on in, the water’s fine. The Republicans aren’t all that scary once you get to know them.

Comment by Arabella Trefoil | 2008-09-17 20:20:21

The snacks are good too.

 
 
 

Comment by YES HRC | 2008-09-17 19:45:34

Kelvin Hearts PUMAs, your name reflects Obama’s campaign. Lies and cover-ups.

Nobama. I’ve gone through the five stages of grief for Hillary, and whaddya know? STILL not voting for thug Obama.

MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08

Comment by Monet | 2008-09-17 20:42:10

I never got around to the five stages of grief. I didn’t have time, I needed to find another candidate to vote for since I’d decided months earlier I wouldn’t vote for Senator Obama or acquiescence to the machinations of the DNC. Since I skipped the grief, does that make me a double racist since I’m not a subliminal racist? I’d to keep this all straight about what I am based on who I vote for.

What happens if I vote for an African American, Arab American, Native American, Hispanic or Asian American down ticket? Does that make me then racist towards whites?

I’m so confused about this whole base one’s vote on the color of the candidate’s skin instead of the issues and the candidate’s knowledge and ability. I’ve never tried this new method of voting before. Someone needs to publish a primer.

 
 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 20:34:08

sorry ’sweetie’, but your link says that it’s a tie for one thing, so obama doesn’t have a lead, and it ALSO says McCain is up by 20 electoral votes.
I guess he hasn’t “lost his lead” afterall. Electoral votes count, favorability ratings (especially when TIED), don’t.

 

Comment by makeji | 2008-09-17 22:27:03

Obama’s bump is coming because of the problems on Wall Street - it’s the old: kick out the bums in office and bring in someone new.

McCain needs to continue to keep calling Obama on his connections to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers and their role in his campaign.

In addition, McCain needs to come out with a clear plan of action.

What will likely nail Obama is his plan to raise the Capital Gains tax - which at this point would be disasterous.

Obama is likely, however, to increase his position in the polls over the next few days because of the fear factor.

 

Comment by Andy Lewis | 2008-09-18 09:56:56

Fuck off ya fuckin’ clown.

 
 

Comment by jjran | 2008-09-17 18:05:53

Amen to that!

 

Comment by TeakWoodKite | 2008-09-17 18:05:58

And, with middle and low information swing voters, you’ve got to try to tie it all together in one digestible message.

Better take some Bean-NO before you try that dish!

UG! Heartburn again?
Love it. I needed the laugh!

 

Comment by tzada | 2008-09-17 18:07:23

Shock Poll: Jews Now Favor McCain in New York, 54-32
John Podhoretz - 09.17.2008 - 6:17 PM

The Siena poll, one of the two key polls of New York state voters, has come out with its monthly snapshot of the presidential race in the Empire State. And it’s stunning. It is remarkable, though not eye-opening, that John McCain is now only 5 points behind Barack Obama, 46-41 – not shocking because polls have narrowed to similar margins in New Jersey. (It should be noted, however, that according to a Rasmussen poll released yesterday, Obama is leading in New York by 55-42.)

No, the shocking detail has to do with a wild, 35-point swing toward McCain among Jewish voters. Obama led among them by a margin of 50-37 in August. This month, McCain is actually leading Obama by a margin of 54 percent to 32 percent.

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/31061

Comment by BettsAZ | 2008-09-17 19:13:14

Great article!…and John Podhoretz is a credible source…The DNC had Hillary back out of the UN Rally Against Iran, whose President has repeatedly called for the destruction of Israel and all Jews everywhere(Achmedinejad:”Israel is a gutter nation and should be wiped off the face of the world”)
Here’s my thought:Hillary has a lot of Jewish friends. Did some one tell Hillary that it will make OBAMA look bad in the eye of the Jewish voter if she backed out of the rally?…and maybe decide on McCAIN?
I do not believe that Hillary had anything to do with the decision to not attend this rally.She is a leader…not the petty little nothing Obama.

 

Comment by mimi | 2008-09-17 20:14:41

Anybody who didn’t know that this was going to happen was smoking crack. Given 0bama’s ties and some of the things that have come out of his own mouth.

Oh why did the Party nominate this jerk?

Hillary had NYS sewed up!

 

Comment by street_parade | 2008-09-17 21:11:19

I’d guess McCain’s lead among Jewish voters will be even more after Palin addresses the protest against the Iranian President next week.

 
 

Comment by Terry | 2008-09-17 18:08:37

Gosh, Bud, I sure hope you’re right. I watch MSM and get a sick feeling - like I had after the Potomac primaries when I realized that a combo of corruption and media bias was certainly going to hand the Democratic nomination to a person without any merit or qualifications. I don’t trust Obama and his Chicago thugs & I fear they are going to steal this election with the complicity of the media.

Never thought this lifelong Democrat would come to dread her own party. As Lynn deRothchild so brilliantly said on CNN tonight, I revere the lives that McCain and Palin have led; that is why they have my vote. Country before party.

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:20:03

I agree. I’m starting to get the same feeling in the GE that I had in the primaries. No matter what crap Obama pulls, the corporate media cheers him on and smears McCain/Palin.

Comment by beebop | 2008-09-17 18:49:55

There wasn’t one mention of zeromama on ABC tonight while there was quite a long report on JSM. It was such a nice change.

 
 
 

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-17 18:09:57

are you guys watching McCain and Palin
http://www.cnn.com/

Comment by 30yrdem-not any more | 2008-09-17 18:12:19

she is a PUMA….

 

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-17 18:23:13

Palin is terrific speaking on her feet, without notes. She just gave a fired up pitch about energy indepedence for economic prosperity.

 
 

Comment by tek | 2008-09-17 18:14:54

To go along with the meme, Sadly, I think the Democrats have messed this up so badly, nothing can save them now. RE: Obama: Looks fade, stupid is forever. This guy might be a pretty face, but he’s stupid, his surrogates are stupid, his campaign advisor is stupid, and I hate to admit that most of the “progressives” supporting him are stupid.

Unless Hillary is the 2012 candidate, it might be a long time before I vote Democratic again.

Comment by Bob | 2008-09-17 18:43:00

Did you say Obama is a pretty face?? Funny, but I can’t stand the sight of him. To me, he is a very ugly man. His inside is coming through.

Comment by aleph | 2008-09-17 20:45:27

He looks like his face is airbrushed on velvet in most photos. Minus the enormous ears of course.

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:02:08

His wife is not much to look at either. She always looks like she’s angry enough to go on a rampage about something. I’ve never seen such an angry looking woman. Of course, if I were married to that, I’d probably be angry too.

 

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:52:04

bob yes — I find Obama ugly inside and out.

 
 
 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-09-17 18:16:45

In Hillary’s convention speech mentioned that cancer-stricken woman with no health insurance, who had adopted two (TWO!) autistic boys, who had painted Hillary’08 on her shaven head. Hillary was inspired by this bald woman.

I think it was their time in Arkansas, as well as Hillary’s mother’s background as a poor child who left home at age 8 because her parents could not afford to care for her, that allowed Hillary to see the dignity in people of all incomes and all education levels. As Bill often said, people he knew in Arkansas were very smart “they weren’t educated, but they were smart.” To their core, Hillary and Bill respect low income people (not all of them, just the ones worthy of respect, just like high income people.)

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:04:37

That’s a big key. Obama automatically assumes that if you don’t have an education, you are “stupid”. There are many, many very intelligent people, even geniuses who don’t have an education. Albert Einstein was a dropout. Bill Gates was a dropout. Why is it that he thinks those without an education have no value?

Comment by Ani | 2008-09-17 21:59:27

That is precisely what the snot-elite in the Dem. Party cannot stand about the Clintons — they treat people with respect whether or not they are Ivy League.

The attitude of ‘we know what’s best for you little girl/boy — now run along and let us big thinkers do the grown up job of governing you’ is a bunch of b.s.

And people can smell it a mile away even if they don’t characterize it by name — they just decide they are not going to vote for it.

Which is why Kerry et al always lose.

 
 
 

Comment by PamFlorida | 2008-09-17 18:16:51

I don’t believe in polls anymore, especially where BO is concerned. They can be gamed and biased. For example-Who are they calling? Randomly generated lists? Populations who are demographically predisposed to vote for Obama? How many people in the sample? How often are polls conducted in states?
I live in south FL., a swing state this year, yet have NEVER been polled. What gives?

Comment by Andy | 2008-09-17 18:26:01

The polls are all over the place. It is very weird: no pattern no trends. It is impossible to tell you have
one organization having candidate X with +8 and another one with candidate Y with +5 for the same state, same dates and roughly same sample. It makes no scientific sense whatsoever….

Comment by No Obamislamists | 2008-09-17 18:39:55

Like I said above, the polls with the huge seemingly “pro-Obama” swings are polls that use a heavily weighted Dem sample. This may have been logical a few months ago when Dems were up 13-15 points in generic Dem vs GOP polling, but that has tightened up to 3-6% difference.

Obama starts with 9% lead right off the top in most cases, and still ends up being a tie or 1-2 point “lead”.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:06:37

The only “poll” that really counts is the one that happens in November at the ballot box (provided obama doesn’t manipulate that as well)

 

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-17 23:57:35

no obamaislamists I have read that Obama was told that there are 6% of voters who will not vote for Obama because of his color. They call this the Bradley Factor. These voters do not show up in the polls but they are out there in every state.

 
 
 

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:30:01

yea, we’re barky’s hidden enemy. they havene’t called me either. who cares?

Comment by Chicago Joe | 2008-09-17 22:02:08

they called me. I told em I was a Democrat, but not voting for Obama.

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-09-17 18:35:08

Yes Florida has had several polls and McCain is currently carrying it 49-44. Here’s my post on the 15th on Rasmussen’s Swing State polls.

http://uppitywoman08.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/rasmussen-swing-state-report/

 
 

Comment by McCain is not qualified to be a CEO | 2008-09-17 18:21:30

Who is this Lynnette de Roschild, and why should I give a bleep? A billionaire who inherited her money from an old European family, splits residences between New York and London, calls Obama an “elitist”! Now that’s rich!!!

Sorry folks…despite your best efforts to spread lies about whitey tapes and fake COLB’s, Obama’s got his MOJO back! Check RealClearPolitics.com McCain and his playmate has managed to fumble their responses.

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:25:39

she built a mult-million $ telecom company before marrying Roschild.
what have you done lately chump?

Comment by beebop | 2008-09-17 18:55:38

Never try to have a discussion with someone too ignorant to read. This person probably has to have someone accompany him/her to/from bus stops to go any where. Facts? Why bother with facts? Too bad that Lynne is the third wife of the wealthy Rothschild family who she met in her mid-40’s long after she had established her own successful company. I hope that this IS A MAN because women shouldn’t be knocking bright, articulate, well educated, dynamic and successful women.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:11:32

anyone who uses words like “mojo” needs somebody to accompany them to bus stops because they’re either 9 years old or 90 years old and in either case, should not be out on their own.

 
 
 

Comment by catherine | 2008-09-17 18:26:02

She did’nt inherit jack. She was/is a business woman who made her first $100 million BEFORE she met her husband.

She’s a REAL American, hence she’s not voting for the Hamas endorsed empty suit.

 

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:27:16

Obombi isn’t qualified to run a hot dog stand.

 

Comment by Joker | 2008-09-17 18:28:12

Hey stupid go cash your 3.00 check nobomba gave you for your 8 hours of stupidity

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:35:02

maybe bombi could halucinate another stimulus package like he did last Feb.

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:36:24

like the one he didn’t vote for by the way

 
 
 

Comment by Mr. X | 2008-09-17 18:29:11

She said the same thing about Obama and Biden! OH NOES!

 

Comment by babelfish | 2008-09-17 18:30:28

Lynn de Rothchild didn’t inherit her money from an “old European family.” She was a self-made multi-millionaire and entrepreneur long before she met and married Rothchild. And of course she splits her residences. She’s from NY, and has children from a previous marriage here, and her husband is British and has family there. And she’s been a significant fundraiser for both Democrats in general and Hillary. So, Obama just lost somebody who could have brought in hundreds of thousands of dollars to his campaign. Not to mention someone with deep and influential ties in the business and financial worlds.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 21:28:51

Hey babelfish, ain’t seen ya around in moon or two> You nailed it.

She flat out stated that BO did NOT reach out to her. What more can one do?

Lynn de Rothchild was not the first BO blew off and she won’t be the last.

Still, if she had reached out to BO at Senator Clintons request and he didn’t return the call…I guess she would be thinking like mimi says out so well.

WIN WITHOUT ME!

 
 

Comment by Uppity Woman | 2008-09-17 18:36:12

Who is this Lynnette de Roschild, and why should I give a bleep?

Who are you and why should be give a bleep what you think?

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:16:50

what’s really funny is that he doesn’t know who “Lynnette de Roschild” is, yet he feels he’s qualified not only to judge her, but also feels he’s qualified to have a conversation with grownups when he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
Kids today are really obnoxious. They don’t know when to close their mouths to prevent looking like a total idiot and won’t close them long enough to get an education to prevent themselves from looking like a total idiot since they aren’t intelligent to begin with.
At least those “uneducated” voters that won’t vote for Obama have a Life-education and have worked hard enough all their lives to pick up more along the way than the little pissant children stumping for obama will get regardless of how big their college savings funds are that their parents worked their fingers to the bone for.

 
 

Comment by Minnow | 2008-09-17 18:38:34

No, not his mojo, merely his portable teleprompter!

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:46:40

with his technical skills he’s definitely got the right stuff for the Cuban space program.

 
 

Comment by OBSP | 2008-09-17 18:50:35

She’s the women that Barky people went begging to raise money for him. She’s a women who has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Hillary and Millions for the Democrats. I guess they can replace her with one of his ten republican cross overs.

 

Comment by katmandu | 2008-09-17 18:55:01

Your description of Rotschild matches the Kennedys and the Kerry family.

I’ll give John Edwards this — he made his money the old fashioned way, the American way. Suing people.

 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 19:11:06

Being half black-and a Judeo Christian- I will take off my skin color and my old doctrine and say to you: You act like an idiot - you who call yourself “Mcain is not qualified for Ceo”. One of Yeshua’s followers said about people like you : The tongue is a flame of fire..is set on fire by hell itself, and can turn our whole lives into a blazing flame of destruction and disaster.” The tongue is responsible for all the havoc in this world, and you “sir” are one who uses it to state idiotic statements. You are like the people who are asleep in a slumber stage and have not awoken by the hands of grace. You continue in filth and rather bathe in muddy rivers that are create by haters of our country. You forgotten the list of great men such as :William Ayers - American Terrorist
Raila Odinga - Cousin, Radical Islamist
Raul Reyes - Columbian Terrorist
Antonio Rezko - Muslim Slum Lord
Professor Khalidi - Muslim Terrorist Supporter
Reverend Wright - Racist Muslim Supporter/Preacher, Anti-American
Reverend James Meeks - Racist
Reverend Louis Farrakhan - Racist Nation of Islam / Faux Preacher
Reverend. Jesse Jackson - Racist - Anti-Semetic
Nadhmi Auchi - Muslim Billionaire
Sohaib Abassi - Muslim Millionaire

That mean harm to our country- you ,sir, are no American!

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:18:53

very well said. A man is not defiled by what goes into his mouth, but by what comes out of it.

 
 

Comment by Eden | 2008-09-17 19:11:46

She EARNED her own money before she married the rich guy, you lying liar who lies.

 

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-09-17 19:13:21

Oh but when the UK puts out rubbish that Obama should be president then you care and love the UK. We all know how you think by now so go away

 

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:18:26

“MOJO”??? Oy vey!! Obama needs a brain, not mojo.

I don’t trust MSM polls at all. They’d like everyone to think McCain doesn’t have a chance so PUMA-type voters will figure it’s a lost cause and stay home. FAT CHANCE!!

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-09-17 20:30:35

A billionaire who inherited her money from an old European family,…

So, do you lie because you’re a craven asshole, or because you are stupid, or both?

The woman comes from a middle class family where her parents worked to put four children through college, as you would KNOW if you actually listened to the interviews before you shot off your stupid, partisan, asinine, and oh, INCREASINGLY BITTER (bwahahahahaha!) mouth.

Your candidate is tanking–and it’s people like YOU who are partly to blame for it. It’s not just BO’s stupidity, lack of experience, poor judgment, snobbery, and elitist “arugula” attitudes doing him in–it’s assholes like YOU who unwittingly stick the knife in to your hero’s candidacy.

Keep up the good work, bozo! The more you post, the more we SMELL YOUR FEAR!!!

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:09:07

Sorry, but “mojo” isn’t on the ticket and if he were, we wouldn’t vote for him either ;)
Obama has nothing, no sense, no stance, no ethics, no morals, no platform and come November, no votes.
The way things are going, he may not even be on the ballot.

 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 21:14:57

She grew up in Jersey like many other blue color families, fool. her mom and dad put her and her siblings through colledge. so yeah, I would say that she knows what she is talking about.

Remember only Obama sheeple bleep.

 
 

Comment by JL | 2008-09-17 18:21:51

I remember the “the polls don’t reflect the youth vote because they only use cell phones” argument back in 2004.
The reason it doesn’t bear out is that, while the polls may not take account of cell phones, they also miss out on the vast numbers of people who work shift and aren’t home in the evenings when polls are done. Or people like my parents, who when they see a number they don’t know (or the telltale ‘unknown’) on the caller id, won’t answer. Or will hang up on telemarketers, pollsters and robo-calls.
The same groups of people who were for Hillary in the primaries, and were disenfranchised by the caucuses.

Anecdotally, I’m in western PA, and back before the primary, my area was COVERED with Hillary yard signs. I’ve now started seeing the McCain signs popping up alot, but have only seen exactly 2 Obama yard signs.

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-09-17 21:50:39

I live in a “D” neighborhood that usually sprouted lawn signs like frigging weeds in high summer.

No one has lawn signs here now–it’s STRANGE. Not for our traitorous Senator who ignored his constituency, nor for our representative who did the same, and certainly not for the “D” candidate for President.

The signs should have been up way before now…and there are none.

No bumper stickers, either. No…ENTHUSIASM.

It’s a bit strange.

A lot of these folks are voting McCain, not because they adore him, but because he’s better than Obama, thouh not as good as Clinton.

Comment by Ani | 2008-09-17 22:02:09

Without giving away specifics — may I ask what part of the country are you in — just curious??

 

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 23:15:38

I’ve just realized that I do not see any signs around my area either the way I did during the Kerry campaign. There were Bush/Cheney bumper stickers everywhere, and lots of Kerry/Edwards stickers. It was like high school hijinks. People would cut in front in traffic if they didn’t like your sticker so you’d have to stare at theirs. The lawns had signs almost every third house.

The nation is so divided and confused. It’s like people here seem afraid they’ll lose friends or cause friction.

I don’t care–My Hillary sign is Still on my porch. I can’t make myself take it down.

BTW–I’m in a northern suburb of Denver

 
 
 

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:22:49

Russia is helping Cuba build space center 50 miles off the FL coast. perhaps Marxist scum Obama could be on their first manned mission. he’s got visions like JFK after all.

 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-09-17 18:24:02

People who are victims of scam artists rarely go to the police because there is shame in admitting to being scammed.

McCain should run some ads alleviating people of that shame. Also more Democrats are voting McCain ads would be good.

 

Comment by WMCB | 2008-09-17 18:31:32

HOLY SHIT! A PUMA just stood up in John McCain’s Michigan town hall and LAID IT OUT THERE!

She talked about being disenfranchised, as a lifelong Democrat. She talked about the denial of the true roll call vote by the DNC, and how McCain had welcomed Hillary voters. She says that she is a PUMA, and several in the crowd yelled: We love you!

She said that the media says that Hillary voters are not going to McCain, and they are WRONG. Palin started talking about Title IX, and how it helped her, and that there may need to be more legislation to provide more opportunities for women. McCain talked about the ENFORCEMENT of existing discrimination laws, and more women in Congress and other govt.

Comment by Firefly | 2008-09-17 18:40:24

OMG - that’s great! I’m getting excited about this election again!

 

Comment by Hill Dem 4 McPalin | 2008-09-17 18:40:41

I’ve been watching, and did not hear that….

Comment by WMCB | 2008-09-17 18:52:35

It was early in the event. Watch it on the replay if it gets posted - it was cool!

Comment by mimi | 2008-09-17 20:28:39

Hope someone puts it on youtube.

 
 
 

Comment by KathyNeocon | 2008-09-17 19:13:46

Love it!!!! GO PUMA’S!!!!!!!!!!

 

Comment by Clinton Fan | 2008-09-17 22:07:28

Well, there ya go!

I sent a one-time donation of twenty dollars and eight cents to McCain.

Hillary gets twenty dollars and twelve cents, on a regular basis.

I’ll deal with 2008 and The Ancient Mariner winning the contest this time, in order to see Senator Hillary Clinton win the prize in 2012.

 
 

Comment by Mr. X | 2008-09-17 18:37:35

Over at HotAir, they’ve showed that, at least in the case of the CBS poll, they’ve skewed the numbers toward Obama. Last week, they had 36.8% registered Dems. Now they have it at 40.6% and took those points from Independants. That alone would be enough to swing things toward Obama without anything changing at all. The pollsters did this during the primaries too against Hillary.

Comment by katmandu | 2008-09-17 18:57:23

And if CBS is doing that its counterintuitive, because the polls I’ve seen on party ID show Dems losing ground in recent weeks. You can also see that in the Congressional generic ballot polls.

 

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:28:34

pollingreport.com does a summary of all the polls, tells what the sample size and dates were, gives the percentage error and breaks down individual questions. Some polls are better than others and you can ignore the ones you know are biased or not well run.

 
 

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-09-17 18:39:20

I just heard on Fox that Obama’s campaign plans on spending 39 million dollars here in Florida. I’m afraid he is going to try and buy the Presidency. I hope we all stand up and fight with McCain and tell Obama and his thugs…SORRY BUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS NOT FOR SALE! NOT NOW NOT EVER!

Comment by Duras | 2008-09-17 18:44:58

I think you might have heard $3.9 million, not $39 million. $39 million would represent about half of the money that Obama and the DNC now have in the bank put together.

Comment by K Lynne | 2008-09-17 18:51:52

I heard 39 Mill as well… Same source, perhaps? I’m not listening to or watching Fox, tho…

Comment by Dan | 2008-09-17 20:15:57

Seriously, if they intend to blow half their budget trying to win Florida, then they’re idiots.

Comment by Community Organizer In Chief | 2008-09-18 00:47:07

Seriously, we already knew that.

 
 
 

Comment by tampagurl | 2008-09-17 18:53:35

Nope I heard it 3 times today, they said they plan to spend 39 million to win Florida. They took in 9 million last night alone and they asked their supporters for more today.

 

Comment by Kim | 2008-09-17 18:55:20

tampagurl is right. His campaign is directing 39 million in a get-out-the-vote effort in Florida.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2084446/posts

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-18 00:17:34

kim — the campaign is too top heavy. Obama just keeps spending money and achieving diminishing returns. He spent 12 Million in Pa — and lost by 10. Perhaps if he had allowed Floridians primary votes to count — he might have had a chance there. But Obama would rather bribe and threaten then compromise to win.

 
 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:57:58

No ……I am from Florida….and it was 39 millions………here in Boca Raton, Palm Beach, West Palm Beach, and some of Browards are a large Jewish community. I doubt very seriously if they will put a dent here, but, in Miami, Sarah Palin and Mccain have to show their faces if they want to keep the 6 percent lead.

 

Comment by SD | 2008-09-17 20:33:59

obama spending 39 mil here in Florida is only going to piss us off more than we already are.

obama is under this illusion that he can shit on us Floridians, steal our votes not once but twice, then has the nerve to come here plastering the tv with lies and expecting us to kiss his ass.

Not going to happen.

PUMA, democrat for McCain/Palin, and the DNC can kiss off.

 
 

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 18:54:46

keep an eye out for ACORN activity. Obama opened his CENCOM in Tampa.

 
 

Comment by Shainzona | 2008-09-17 18:39:38

Denial at My DD….Josh Orton concluded his post about Obama telling Reid et al that he won’t give downticket Dems any money with this….

“Obama accepted the burden of constant fundraising when he opted out of the public system - and that means every minute he might spend raising for our committees is time he’s not raising for himself - and that’s time he’s not in front of voters. It’s a complex calculation, and one that could pay off. But for now, our Congressional committees still enjoy a healthy advantage over their Republican counterparts.”

“Obama ACCEPTED THE BURDEN….” What a bunch of crock - he blew it and they can’t admit it.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 22:14:04

I dont need no beast of burden
I need no fussing
I need no nursing
Never, never, never, never, never, never, never be

.

 

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-18 00:22:55

shainzona — Obama promised the DNC that he would help them raise funds for the Party and Down Ticket Democrats. Once he got ahold of the voter lists suddenly he can’t afford to raise money for the Party. How stupid could the DNC be to fall for this? Obama lies and the DNC is lying too if they think they have this huge advantage over Repubs. I read they can’t even pay the staff at the DNC now.

 
 

Comment by Duras | 2008-09-17 18:42:58

Here’s an interesting article on “The Bradley Effect” that just appeared on FoxNews.com

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/17/sebelius-revives-fears-of-bradley-effect-with-race-comment/

My position is somewhere in the middle of the opinions expressed in the article. I don’t think that “racial leakage” will represent as much as 8% of the electorate as Juan Williams thinks it will, but at the same time I don’t buy the argument that automated polling systems have completely eliminated it. I suspect that there will be a “Bradley Effect” of between 2-4 points on Election Day. So, if Obama is no better than 1 or 2 points ahead in the polls, this means that McCain will win.

Comment by PhxNickD | 2008-09-17 19:17:13

What about the agists? Do they talk about how many people will not vote for John McCain because of his age? I bet those numbers are a lot higher.

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 19:52:34

“What about the agists?”

the ageists are already accounted for… they’re called barko’s ‘base’ - they, along with the sexists…

Comment by Diana L. C. | 2008-09-17 23:19:56

Actually, I’m a bit of an ageist–only in the other directions. I find the Gen X’s and Gen Y’s a bit egocentric and superficial. I see a lot of them “relating” to O.

 
 

Comment by Dan | 2008-09-17 20:13:58

For every voter who will not vote for McCain just because of his age, there is at least one that will vote for him precisely because of his age. Most voters, like me, see age as a plus when it comes to the presidency because age = epxerience and wisdom.

 
 
 
 

Comment by Liberty Belle not for Obama | 2008-09-17 18:43:57

Quick question - Does anyone, including our host, have any updates on the computer hackers of Gov. Sarah Palin’s cell phone and Email? I heard the U.S. Justice Dept. was going to investigate.

Heard a local newscaster is under indictment for hacking into a co-worker’s Email, so there are laws.

I hope they hunter the perpertrators down and lay out their crimes, make them accountable to the full extent of the law, and otherwise, scare the hell out of the other punks who’d like do this.

 

Comment by oilman | 2008-09-17 18:47:11

Omaba is the epitome of Islamist terrorists if he becomes the US commander in chief.

Vote McCain/Palin ticket to avoid this catastrophe befalling the USA!!

Hell to Omaba and his terrorist supporters!

Islamic terrorist network in America

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-09-17 20:19:17

I think what you’re saying is corny right-wing stuff–not worthy of a MUMA.

Republicans ALWAYS say the Democratic candidate is supporting the terrorists. Wingers haven’t noticed this, but normal people do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-09-17 20:20:14

MUMA is a new party my keyboard is forming.

 
 
 

Comment by Zero, Not Hero | 2008-09-17 18:48:42

Even Rush Limbaugh knows it; those effing caucuses!

How did Obama beat Hillary? Let’s get down to brass tacks. It happened in Iowa. That’s when this race was over. Everything that happened after that was almost academic. Obama went into Iowa, which is a caucus state, as a community agitator. And what did he do? He beat Hillary Clinton in Iowa by leveraging peer pressure at the caucuses. He couldn’t beat her when actual voting by the electorate took place because that happens in private. But in a caucus, your vote is public, everybody knows how you vote. Obama took the nomination by having his people show up at these caucuses and exert pressure, guilt, other kinds of political pressure on everybody there, the Democrats.

Now, I know this happened. It happened in several states. It happened in Iowa. There are people there who could tell you about this. There were no secret ballots. There’s a lot of public pressure. I bring this up to illustrate that we now know how Obama operates. He clears the field. He exploits white guilt. He withholds his records. He lies about his church. He lies about his friends and his past associations with radicals. Fair play and clarity have nothing to do with any aspect of his life. And the community agitator who clears the field, who will use whatever tactics to defeat Hillary (I think he means McCain) in these last seven weeks, it’s going to get real serious, it could be a bloodbath because the community agitator will be forced to use real techniques. You watch.

 

Comment by oilman | 2008-09-17 18:50:52

<a href=”http://bsimmons.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/terrorist_network_map.gifIslamic terrorist network in the US

 

Comment by Soldier of Christ | 2008-09-17 18:52:24

This is what gets to me. You have 2000 people and the three major pollster use this information to report the polls. Well….why don’t they just go to AOL pollsters and see the 485,000.00 people from each state and only allowed to vote once, and take that damn number. 67 to 32 - Mccain winning with 485,000 is sure more than 2000 dead beat welfare mothers or young teenagers voting over their phones, don’t you think???

Comment by Medusa | 2008-09-17 19:22:41

Hmmm. You’re right. i just went to AOL and voted in their Straw Poll. It has a very large sample (almost 600k), reflects a week of voting, and gives Mac 60%. I wonder what the statisticians say about their numbers.

Look under Top News.
http://www.aol.com/

 
 

Comment by oilman | 2008-09-17 18:53:39

Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 19:11:12

yeah, we know where they are in FL. Obama will be at those islamic centers trolling for votes. boca, tampa, sunshine*

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Comment by Ms J of FL | 2008-09-17 19:12:57

whoops, big one in Orlando too.

 
 

Comment by Matthew Weaver | 2008-09-17 19:39:22

This is really unnecessary. Obama has clear ties to domestic terrorists but to stretch this to suggest Islamic terrorists is not really accurate and suggests, especially with your “map”, a bigoted and untrue stereotype. Don’t you think there is enough damning stuff about Obama, as Bud White and others write, without stooping to this?

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 19:55:46

yeah… after all, he’s “likable enough”… :)

 
 
 

Comment by Paul3triple | 2008-09-17 18:55:52

that is why i strongly believe mccain will win. Obama has a false sense of support becuase of caucuses.
Look at all the polls and see how many undecided voters there are. ALOT. More than anytime in recent memory.
Those a mccain voters.

Comment by Kato | 2008-09-17 20:00:06

Yes, those are McCain voters. There’s also a good amount of people going around saying they are Obama supporters for one reason or another. The democrats have lost the biggest victory that was laid at their feet because of their choices. They could have had this election easily. They chose not to for some reason.

Comment by SD | 2008-09-17 20:42:58

I tell everyone I am an obama supporter just so they will leave me alone :). For months I had an obama sign in my car window. I just couldn’t endure their crap. Let them believe what they want and they leave me in peace. In November I vote McCain/Palin. :)

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:37:31

I have to pretend to support obama at work out of fear for my life. I work in an urban school district. If I were to say I was for McCain, my vehicle would be vandalized, I would by personally threatened, possibly shot or stabbed and dubbed a racist even though I lead the social justice club.
It’s just a matter of survival, I have to pretend to be for obama, because people are so racist that if you don’t say you’re for him, they will do physical harm to you.
It’s the blacks who are racist, the obama supporters. They are more racist than any group I have ever encountered in all my years.

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 22:29:04

Chiten, it does not have to be urban…it is going all over the place.

I appreciate what you are sayin.

 

Comment by DeniseB | 2008-09-18 01:42:39

Same here. But hey - if it’s giving them an inflated idea of where they stand, maybe that’s a good thing.

 
 
 
 
 

Comment by xax | 2008-09-17 18:57:36

The phrase low information voter, pisses me the fuck off. If anything, their absolute refusal to acknowledge the other side of an argument shows that they are indeed the ones with low info.

I don’t like Obama, but at least I gave him a chance in 2007 and early 2008.

“Low information.” Condescending little pricks.

Comment by Medusa | 2008-09-17 19:06:54

great post, bud. I particularly like the quote from DK about the woman:

A few days ago I had a conversation with a mid-fifties nonreligious, pro-choice, Caucasian, suburban mother who thinks the Iraq war was a terrible mistake, that Bush was a terrible president, and is concerned that McCain may get us into another war, but she is “seriously thinking” about voting for McCain. I will give you a clue. She is absolutely going to vote for McCain.

I’m absolutely going to vote for Mac and Sarah. For the sake of our country, I hope Bozo loses. I hope the Repubs rip him a new one in the weeks ahead.

 

Comment by AF catfish | 2008-09-17 19:08:02

Look at this from Mark Penn’s Microtrends:

I really like Impressionable Elites, too. I find it just stunning that Average Joe voters know and care more about the issues than the “elites,” with all their education and success. But the elites can afford to view the issues from a greater distance because of how well they have been doing.

 
 

Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-09-17 18:58:12

Not to be mistaken for The Five Stages of Realizing Your Candidate Sucks. ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk_fPi-24Iw

 

Comment by Tricia Spiegel | 2008-09-17 19:07:22

Fascinating post, Bud White.
Sigh–to think it could have (and should have) been Hillary.

 

Comment by Kim | 2008-09-17 19:08:01

 

Comment by Dee | 2008-09-17 19:08:33

Here are the five stages of grief that I have worked through and they are in no particular order.

Anger
Anger
Anger
Anger
Anger

A vote for John and Sarah will move me to a new stage - joy.

Comment by wodiej | 2008-09-17 20:08:05

LOL…good one! I second that!!

 
 

Comment by Linda OKC | 2008-09-17 19:16:49

Sept 17, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ — A majority of likely voters believe that Barack Obama’s plan to raise taxes on businesses and the wealthy will make them worse off, according to a breaking ATI-News/Zogby poll. Brad O’Leary, president of ATI-News.com and author of the explosive new book, The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama’s War on American Values, notes that Obama’s plan to raise taxes on the two main drivers of the American economy “could cost him the election” and “is a loser with almost every key voter bloc. http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/new-ati-newszogby-poll-shows-majority/story.aspx?guid={E37D5E47-D4AC-40F0-8102-41EAFBD6FA0A}&dist=hppr

THAT is going to end up translating as a plus in the McCain column. Fact is, Barry has been NOT PRESENT for anything to do with regulating wall street while John McCain has fought the congress and his party to RE-REGULATE them.

The GOP machine isn’t even geared up. McCain’s going to end up [ADMINISTRATOR: Inappropriate content removed.] beating Obama with his own words.

 

Comment by Judy L. NC | 2008-09-17 19:18:38

Lynn Forester de Rothchild. . .whatever is being interviewed by Campbell Brown in a minute…CNN.

Comment by ssmith | 2008-09-17 19:32:36

what did she say?

I miss it. thanks!

 
 

Comment by DeeLee | 2008-09-17 19:32:57

My apologies to the man, but now I understand why they called Bill Clinton the champion of the blacks, and back then he was, but here’s the reason why and here’s why the markets are taking such a pounding today.

Go to the site below and navigate to “The Real Culprits In This Meltdown”

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/Editorial.aspx#edit90days.

I think Bill is another victim about to go under the bus when Obama realizes the truth. He can’t blame this on Republicans

Comment by Liar in Chief Axelrod | 2008-09-17 21:57:47

He can’t blame this on Republicans

Uh… ever heard of Phil Gramm? The Commodity Futures Modernization Act? The act dergulating derivatives trading that Phil Gramm slipped into an Omnibus Spending bill?

Comment by Liar in Chief Axelrod | 2008-09-17 21:59:07

dergulating deregulating

 
 
 

Comment by Hillary or Bust | 2008-09-17 19:33:33

I read that whole KOS post about the white lady not trusting Obama. He actually thinks that marketing can change people’s perceptions of Obama, that they need to work to show Obama has “character. What he does not get is that a lot of us are SMARTER “than marketing and can pick up a person’s character regardless of spin.

Most of the KOS people like Obama and hate McCain based on superficial reasons. They have hated Republicans for at least 8 years and are making their choice based on that hatred. They haven’t honestly looked at McCain as a human being - they have made their character judgment based on knee-jerk reactions and not realities.

I believe that McCain’s character shines through the partisan crap, which is partly why he is doing so well in an election the Democrats should have easily won. The people who hate McCain are hating him due to bias and anti-Republican bigotry. But the independents who are not trusting Obama are doing so because their gut is telling them that Obama is bad. That’s the difference.

Comment by Bud White | 2008-09-17 22:55:16

I believe that McCain’s character shines through the partisan crap

I agree. McCain doesn’t need marketing. He’s the real deal.

 
 

Comment by ford | 2008-09-17 19:39:21

I am very upset @ hackers breaking into Palin’s email and posting all of her personal information… Isn’t someone who posts info they know to be stolen trafficking in stolen goods???

I want these people arrested…this harassment of female candidates is terrible, just a flat out disgrace.

Comment by jwrjr | 2008-09-17 23:06:15

What is really disgusting is that the news report that I saw on the hacking concentrated on the ‘incriminating’ emails found in Palin’s account while the hackers got a pass on it.

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-18 00:45:06

jwrjr — That made me so angry. I kept yelling at the TV — no matter what is found. This is against the law.

 

Comment by John House | 2008-09-18 10:23:13

Someone needs to hack into Obama’s emails. THAT is where the REAL juicy shit is, and I can guarantee that if he does email frequently then he’d be in a whole lot of trouble with the electorate.

 
 
 

Comment by Matthew Weaver | 2008-09-17 19:42:00

I am watching the Campbell interview now and it is offensive the way she is badgering her guest. They even keep cutting to her smirking in a condescending manner. Embarrassing to her and CNN.

Comment by Judy L. NC | 2008-09-17 19:53:51

I agree with you about the badgering, Matthew. Brown worked on my last nerve tonight. She cited McCain’s vote no on the Bush energy plan while BO voted yes and talked about earmarks. The best was the end when Brown pressed on why she came out public, was she just bitter about Hillary getting beat. Lynn said ‘you know, if that’s what it takes for you to understand why I made this switch, about all the rednecks clinging to guns and religion, then, yes, I’m bitter’ LOL. Me too!

 

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 20:02:07

campbell brown’s father is a federally-convicted felon…

a politician who got caught with his hands in the cookie jar…

 
 

Comment by Matthew Weaver | 2008-09-17 19:43:17

Catch the “Lady vs. Lady” tag on the screen. How sexist of CNN. Plus, Campbell Brown is not a “lady”. She’s a classless hack for Obama.

Comment by richasis | 2008-09-17 20:04:27

campbell brown is also the daughter of a politician who’s a federally-convicted felon.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:41:33

apples don’t fall far from trees

 
 

Comment by Ani | 2008-09-17 22:21:25

She has been an Obama pillow-fluffer all year.

No integrity whatsoever.

 
 

Comment by Sassy | 2008-09-17 19:44:04

When people are in a very uneasy state of mind, they are seeking assurances.
Hope is fine, change is okay, faith is a comfort.
But when the chips are down, TRUST is the winner!
More and more Americans want to feel in their gut, that their President will go the distance FOR them!
McCain has in the past, and I think that means we can expect him to do the same now!

Comment by mcpalin hill | 2008-09-18 00:48:11

sassy — trust is where its at…

 
 

Comment by Divine Democrat | 2008-09-17 19:45:26

Bud White, this post was so well written and made the point so perfectly. You’re right, Hillary would have been marching on her way to the White House as we speak if not for the way Obama won (was handed) this nomination. I can’t help but think how she would have had her message out regarding this recent economic crisis. After listening to her speak about the economy on Mad Money, I have no doubt that she wouldn’t be hemming and hawing around like Obama is right now. He can’t give an answer to the question as to whether the government should have bailed out AIG. She would have trounced on McCain on this and every other issue. Bringing Palin on the ticket would not have even registered a blip in the polls for him.

Now, the more Hillary speaks for Obama, the worse he looks because she is so clear and concise and it makes you wish it were she that were running instead of that empty suit, Obama.

Great post, thanks!

Comment by PJ | 2008-09-17 21:30:06

I agree Divine.

 
 

Comment by TeakwoodKite | 2008-09-17 19:55:10

Great read Bud White. Considering in the last 72 hours more than 1.5 trillion left the market and the market dropped near a thou, who would have ever thought that McCain would be where he is and O’doorknob where he is.

I feel like I am emerging from Herman Hesse’s Magic Theater.

Ah… fiction is best served cold. For BO I suggest;

In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing.

- Autobiography of Mark Twain

In todays lexicon it would read “A message to Obots”.

Comment by Liar in Chief Axelrod | 2008-09-17 21:48:01

Not to mention the fact that the Treasury is now selling paper to prop up the Federal Reserve, which is about tapped out.

 
 

Comment by AX10 | 2008-09-17 20:10:07

If the current continues, McCain will squeak
by in what was supposed to be a banner year for
the Democratic Party. This is sad.
The Dems may even lose a few house seats too.
What can be said, the party establishment
did not want Hillary. They want the Clintons gone.
And now they may not even get the Whitehouse.
Can’t say a can even pity the Democrats for this one.

 

Comment by orly | 2008-09-17 20:16:28

Somebody needs to start a pool with EV over/under predictions, or popular vote % over/under predictions. After the election, the winner would then be declared king and/or queen of the internets.

 

Comment by cathnealon | 2008-09-17 20:53:46

“low information voters” translated in Obamaspeak is white trash. Many leftist sexist elitists are fluent in this language, they’re all over mainstream media. Believe me BO supporters the GE is not the caucuses, your boss will lose.

Comment by Chiten | 2008-09-17 21:44:26

when did “low information voters” change to being “working class whites” instead of “blacks, whites and hispanics who draw welfare and drop out of school” ???? Would the latter now be described as “no information voters” ??

 

Comment by Ani | 2008-09-17 22:25:40

May I share with you who the real ‘low information voters are’?

A dear friend of mine was talking to a man with a Masters Degree in Business and this low information arrogant boob actually thinks that “Obama voted against the war” — he does not even have enough INFORMATION to know that Obama was not even in the Senate at the time.

IL State Senators don’t vote on anything about Iraq, Mister.

It is shocking how many highly educated people are clueless about this man’s record or actions or positions on anything.

 
 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-09-17 21:48:17

Wes Clark spoke at TWN about coming security challenges and about fiscal policy regarding the sub prime mess.

The man should be on the ticket.

His solution to Afghanistan, pay five times the commodity price for wheat so we eradicate the incentive for heroin production.

I agree, having made a prior post about establishing a great infrastructure through client state and sphere state lenders to enforce larger commodity pricing, to effectively give additional support for a world food bank. This would assist nation states and keep them from developing rogue state elements.

Bribery works, it bought a brief piece within Iraq.

If done right they can begin to loosely peg some currencies to commodities, and make it a transitional model, since fossil fuel is of limited supply. Biofuels, climate change, using saved money to apply health care and service sector jobs, all positive collateral results.

Liberate the dollar from petrol and attach to things with longer supply curves. Things which maintain influence regardless of geopolitics.

Comment by Liar in Chief Axelrod | 2008-09-17 21:49:53

Liberate the dollar from petrol and attach to things with longer supply curves. Things which maintain influence regardless of geopolitics.

Nuke Notes, anyone?

 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-09-17 21:50:13

*bought a brief peace

I clicked the wrong usage for spellcheck….

 
 

Comment by Gayle in Oregon | 2008-09-17 21:57:39

The polls are madening sometimes if we forget that all that matters is the electoral college, states.
Why Mac will win is that undecides TEND to break for the known quantity. They are the uncertain ones and they break for certainty. I saw this over and over again in the primaries as I was watching them like a hawk and I even went back to see how many points the various one were off. Unless, something really big happens for Obama he will lose. Only, 2 democrats in the last 100 years got over 30% of the vote. Also, Ralph Nader will get more votes away from O than Bahr or whatever his name is since Palin came on. Libertarians like her.

Also, the Gallup guy said whomever comes out of the primaries ahead, even by one point, wins the general 13 out of 17 times and Mac was ahead by 5 on RCP average.

Finally, the 527s agianst O have a lot more ammunition than the 527s agiant Mac. They have not really started yet, but will.

 

Comment by Tammy | 2008-09-17 22:24:49

Here are my classic stages of grief

Mad
Angry
Pissed

The last stage is McCain/Palin 08

 

Comment by Cubs in 08 | 2008-09-17 22:45:08

The Logan Act

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

 

Comment by Annie Oakley | 2008-09-17 22:46:25

Wonderful article, Bud.

One thing that cracks me up about the super-duper, game-changing homerun ad they’re hoping Barky puts up, I stopped listening to anything he says months ago. I’ll listen to him at the debate, maybe, but I tuned him out back when he tuned us out. Funny how that window of opportunity closes.

 

Comment by indypol | 2008-09-17 23:49:40

So much for Kerry plus one : McCain is leading in NH, Fl, NC, Va., Ohio, Pa., Indiana, Colorado, and he’s tied in Michigan. If the numbers hold up in Colorado, Indiana, Virginia and Pa, Obama is toast. I suspect that Obama’s internal polls are horrible right now.

The good ship Obama/Titanic already hit the iceberg, people. How much more time will pass before it sinks?

 

Comment by Anna | 2008-09-17 23:51:12

Isn’t it strange that you cite the “wunderwaffen” as evidence of Democrats’ denial — yet in initial comments to this article, the reaction is “Just wait till the 527s come out!” Isn’t that the same thing? Aren’t the mythical 527s your wunderwaffen?

And weren’t we told that these wunderwaffen 527s would come out as soon as Obama was the official candidate? There’s plenty of material: I still want to know what BHO was doing in the Kenya elections of 2006, for example.

In fact, the polls have turned again, and Obama appears to be climbing back ahead. The media campaign seems to be working.

Why are you all so confident McCain will win? Wishful thinking? Wunderwaffen? What?

 

Comment by Mr.Murder | 2008-09-18 00:15:19

The Obama parade got interrupted by all three stages of panic, as applied to a large group of people:

stampede
stampede
stampede

Each of the above stages more or less matches the intensity of the others.

http://crazyopinions.com/__oneclick_uploads/2007/09/remain_calm.jpg

 

Comment by hootnannie | 2008-09-18 02:24:52

If the MSM weren’t propping Bobo up with their cheerleading, manipulated polls, and insistence that crap like “trooper-gate” (gasp!)will swing the election, everyone would already see the enormous writing on the wall. It’s a given that a black man with links to white-hating racists, terrorists, and Chicago crooks could not be elected. Now that more potential voters are paying attention, it’s becoming overwhelmingly obvious that he will lose in a landslide. In what state could this flawed individual garner enough votes to win it? Well, of course he will take non-state DC and maybe DE because of Jojo and MD if there’s enough of an ethnic vote there to swing it. The same can be said for VT due to fuzzy-headed white liberals. But I would not give him MA, CN, NJ, or NY. He could easily lose CA unless the Hispanic vote goes heavily for him. To win a state, he has to paste together the black vote, the white-guilt vote, and the O-bot vote. Now what state with a substantial population has enough of these groups to give him a win? Common sense would say none. Yet I heard a commentator recently say he will take Iowa. Huh?

 

Comment by Judy | 2008-09-18 07:12:46

I actually think that the key to winning elections is pretty simple. Pick a candidate who is a). likable, b). respected, or c). a combo (best bet). Too many of the Democratic candidates come across as effete snobs, even when they’re not (I don’t consider Gore to be an effete snob but someone who is very intelligent and hardworking).

Bill Clinton is extremely likable and respected for his intelligence. To many, Hillary is extremely likable and even those who don’t like her respect her intelligence and dedication to doing the best job that she can. Obama comes across as an effete snob who doesn’t like to break a sweat. Who wants to vote for someone who not only looks down on you, but doesn’t want to work?

McCain is respected and, while he might not be the most likable person, he definitely is not a snob. Many view Palin as someone that they can imagine having a beer with. With all those kids and a career, a lot of women see a kindred spirit.

While having an “up by the bootstraps” background helps, Teddy R., FDR and Eleanor all came from wealthy families, yet all were able to project the fact that they worked hard and respected those who didn’t have their advantages. Maybe it all comes down to mutual respect.

 

Comment by Steve1 | 2008-09-18 07:19:33

Bud, you hit it right on the nail! “Let them panic,” we told them so, because your skin is a darker hue does not make you an honest, open, decent leader. Hell if that were true, Latin_american and Africa should be abounding with enlightenment! Our Dem party has been subverted by AHOLES and left-wing nuts. AAs have been duped, big-time. I try to comprehend but, the botton line, there really is no excuse were their blind ignorance to color. When 90% are voting, there is no excuse for racism in whatever form it takes!

Comment by Steve1 | 2008-09-18 07:21:27

 

Comment by Steve1 | 2008-09-18 07:22:31

Latin-America, for their

 
 
 

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Comment by Dr. Kate | 2008-09-18 21:19:53

Very, very good. I remember being outraged about this condescension and stages of grief. It was sick the way they used in, imo.

I like the sound (and smell) of this: the three stages of panic. Required reading for obots!

 

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Comment by LisaStratus | 2009-06-14 08:25:50

Your phrase, simply charm

 

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