Holding the DNC’s Feet to the Fire: An Interview with Marc Rubin of The Denver Group
By Ani on September 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM in Barack Obama, DNC, Democratic National Convention, Democratic Nomination, Donna Brazile, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, John McCain, Nancy Pelosi
In the face of some powerful Democratic fundraisers/supporters of Senator Clinton and even Democratic legislators now boldly endorsing Senator McCain, it is clear that the wheels may be coming off the Obama/Pelosi/Reid/Dean/Brazile bandwagon. That people would abjectly refuse to support the Presidential nominee and, you should pardon the expression, start batting for the other team, seems shocking. Although given the disingenuous, inexperienced candidate we are supposed to be supporting, not at all surprising.
The media’s pillow-fluffing rhapsodic musings about the Obama ‘movement’ made them abandon their objectivity faster than a child abandoning a broken toy. The DNC gambled on an unvetted, unqualified, well-sculpted concoction of New Age-y hyped up post-partisan platitudes that really don’t make much sense to Americans struggling to keep afloat. Their gamble has resulted in a split of the Democratic Party. No matter what Obama does, his numbers won’t go above 50%. No amount of money, media favoritism, or caucus fraud can change that fact.
What to do now? When in doubt, play: j’accuse!! The media and Dem party leadership have started pointing fingers. Racism!! They cry. Nonsense, I say.
The racism charges have been put out by Senator Obama personally and many in the DNC/Obama wing of the Party. This is a scenario that both they and the media can hide behind to avoid questions and blowback if Obama loses. It’s a way to be insulated from failure so they can still claim to be relevant if the election results in a loss for Obama in this “no lose year for Democrats.” How we got to this place of throwing the far more qualified candidate under the bus will be discussed for some time to come.
What we are seeing is a battle for the Democratic Party itself. Clearly the ‘Howards’, ‘Nancys’ and ‘Donnas’ in the DNC chose to kick the Clinton wing to the curb by forcing delegates to make a selection before it was time to vote and staging an end run around the legitimate nominating process. They did their best to pretend that Hillary’s 18,000,000 voters and her 1912 delegates did not exist.
To that end, Marc Rubin and Prof. Heidi Li Feldman, co-founders of The Denver Group, through the use of grass roots fundraising, both on and off the internet, did a tremendous job of creating and placing effective targeted advertising that added pressure to the decision to put Hillary’s name into nomination and get a roll call vote at the Democratic Convention.
Unfortunately, we all know what happened as a result of the thuggish tactics of the DNC leadership. The only good news is that the reputations and favorability ratings of Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Donna Brazile, Harry Reid seem at an all time low. Apparently, someone out there is paying attention.
Marc Rubin shared his thoughts with me about the Convention, its aftermath and how The Denver Group is evolving in an effort to apply pressure for change in the fractured Democratic Party and hold the current party leadership’s feet to the fire.
Marc, looking back, what is your feeling about how the Convention played out?
The convention was a total fraud. The roll call vote was rigged, and every Democratic rule and procedure was violated in order to do it and they did it in broad daylight right in front of the watchful eyes of the news media who have the powers of observation of a drunken sailor on a Saturday night. They just let the corruption happen without comment. Some of the more egregiously blind were Mike Barnicle, Chris Matthews and of course that Olbermann guy who still thinks this is sports.
What would you want to explain about the roll call vote or outcome for those not as intimately involved in the situation? There are still those who think Senator Obama won the nomination “fair and square.” What is your response to that?
Well there is no accounting for people’s ignorance and refusal to think for themselves, but according to Democratic Party rules it was totally rigged. Rule 6, I believe, states clearly that pledged delegates have an obligation to vote according to the voters who elected them based on the primaries.
Just as one example, Clinton ‘landslided’ Obama in the New Jersey primary winning many more elected pledged delegates than Obama. As you saw during the roll call vote all 130 pledged delegates “voted” for Obama. And no one blinked an eye. And as everyone knows super delegates were going to decide this because Obama didn’t have the 2/3 needed in pledged delegates. They never were given a chance to vote. The last unofficial count according to Politico.com prior to the roll call vote showed among super delegates, 271 for Obama, 268 for Clinton and 160 undecided. If the roll call vote was honest, Obama would have most likely lost.
Had you ever been so involved in a campaign? What motivated you to go the extra mile?
What motivated me was unfairness. The incredible deceit of Pelosi outright lying during the primary season, saying that super delegates had an obligation to vote according to the pledged delegate count, the slanted playing field, the deceit and dishonesty of the news media and people like Jonathan Alter, MSNBC and others calling for Clinton to get out, and of course the Florida and Michigan fiasco when Obama and the DNC and the media colluded to deny both states their rightful voices. The last straw was after the last primary when Pelosi forced super delegates to declare 6 weeks before their votes would count so they could short circuit the process and declare Obama the winner when he wasn’t.
As Governor Rendell of Pennsylvania pointed out, the DNC insisted on nominating the weaker candidate. Aside from the obvious consequence of making the election harder to win, what do you think are some of the short and long term consequences of such an action to the Democratic Party going forward?
Harder to win? Try impossible to win. One candidate ‘landslided’ the other in 13 of the biggest states in the country, not just won, but won by landslide margins and they sent out the loser. They deserve to lose and lose big. The short term consequences are short term pain for long term gain because a massive Obama defeat will get rid of Dean, Pelosi, Brazile and the Obama wing of the party and get it on the right track again.
The DNC is using various scare tactics to get everyone to fall in line. What is your response to their favorite ploys?
a) McCain as neocon?
As rated by conservative groups, McCain has the worst conservative voting record of any Republican member of Congress which is one reason Rush Limbaugh hates him. I’m going to write a post specifically addressing all of this because it’s so ludicrous.
b) Threats to reverse Roe v. Wade?
As for Roe v. Wade, it’s designed to scare people who are ignorant of the law, the limits on the power of the executive [branch] and how the legal system works. It’s virtually a done deal that Roe v. Wade will never get reversed in a McCain presidency and if you want proof, no Presidents were more opposed to Roe v. Wade than Bush and Reagan and nothing happened in 16 years of both administrations and for logical reasons. It won’t happen under a McCain administration either.
c) Conservative SCOTUS appointments?
Appointing judges is a crap shoot. Look at David Souter. Besides, even conservative judges respect court precedent and only in extreme and compelling circumstances are willing to overturn long-standing decisions and it hardly ever happens and it wouldn’t with Roe v. Wade. There is a big difference between conservatives WANTING it to be overturned and a court doing just that, assuming you could even find a case where someone with the standing to bring a law suit would do it.
d) What about the DNC and media pushing that if one does not vote for Senator Obama, one must be racist? How effective is this tactic?
Martin Luther King said he dreamed of a day when a person would be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. That day has obviously not arrived for Obama, his campaign and those in the DNC, who think making an issue of race and using it to try and intimidate weak minded people is the way to win the election.
Any objective person would come to the conclusion, based on everything known, that Obama doesn’t have the character, courage or the conviction even to be an effective Senator much less President. Using accusations of racism to try and intimidate people into voting for an unqualified candidate will backfire among everyone who sees through it and resents it.
That doesn’t include patronizing knee-jerk liberals such as Keith Olbermann and others like him; the kind of patronizing pseudo-liberals that Lenny Bruce made fun of in the early 60’s, who want to show how un-racist they are by drumming up support for someone with the ethics of a dishonest used car salesman.
But it’s a good reason the polls can’t be trusted. When Obama and his minions try and use the race card to intimidate people, those who do feel intimidated will say one thing but will do another. The more they do it, the more they alienate the people they are trying to win over, so the tactic of trying to get people to prove they are not racists by voting for him, like taking some kind of loyalty oath, smacks of racial McCarthyism, and while it might be successful with some, most people will reject it.
Aside from the obvious wish to scare up voters, why do you feel they are using such a risky tactic?
It is a sign of desperation and reinforces the truth that Senator Obama has nothing to say and nothing to offer.
We have many, many African Americans who have been elected to public office — mayors, governors, members of Congress, members of state legislatures, and none of them had to use race as a tactic to get elected. All were elected on their merits and won re-election or were defeated based on their performances. In the end the more Obama uses race the more he is telling people he has no game.
I understand The Denver Group has a new offshoot — Democrats for Principle Before Party — what are your new goals going forward?
A massive defeat for Obama and the resignations of everyone in the DNC who produced him and the elimination of the Obama wing of the party which is obviously corrupt and putting the DNC back into the hands of people who understand the word “democracy”.
It wasn’t Clinton’s supporters who stooped to the level of the Obama wing and corrupted and mishandled everything, so to start with, Clinton and her supporters would obviously do a better job getting a Democrat back in the White House and getting the entire party back on track after all the “I told you so’s” are over. This also means replacing Pelosi, Reid, Dean and everyone else. If the Democrats retain control of Congress, I can’t see any member of the House with 2 cents for a brain re-electing Pelosi Speaker of the House. Once this is over, we should see a big power shift back to sanity.
When you see how the DNC has so skewed the process this time, what can be done to effect change on a grass roots level? What would be your advice to those feeling completely disenfranchised by the primary season – how can they bring pressure to bear to make sure this sort of thing never happens again?
Vote for an Obama defeat, whether than means voting for another candidate or leaving the Presidential line blank. No money to the DNC, and donating money to The Denver Group to help finance Democrats For Principle Before Party.
Finally, what can you say to those who don’t understand why you are not just “lining up” the way most Dems usually do in support of any candidate? If you could correct any misconception about how they view your actions, what would you say to them?
I’d say they should look at themselves and whether they have decided to believe what Obama and the news media tells them or their own “lying eyes”. Understand that Democrats don’t “fall in line” like Republicans do, that Dean and Pelosi’s “fall in line” strategy has backfired and showed a distinct lack of understanding of who Democrats are, and the last thing I would tell people is do themselves a favor and try thinking for themselves and not believe something is true just because someone tells them so.
But if people can’t see the rank dishonesty and hypocrisy in everything Obama has said and done by now: his lying about [Rev.] Wright and the fact he was never offended enough by what Wright was saying to leave and never go back, his lying about FISA, NAFTA, his reneging on his promises and pledges, and if they don’t mind being led around by the nose I don’t know there is anything more anyone can say.
Thank you for taking the time to do this interview, Marc. I honestly feel watchdog organization like yours are critical, particularly now, when the media is working so diligently to manhandle the truth. As you and Heidi Li point out on your website, it is crucial to stop all the errant finger pointing and lay the blame squarely at the feet of those to whom it belongs.
I’m not advocating anyone vote one way or the other, but John McCain said something apropos during his convention speech, in re vetoing ‘pork projects’ that come across his desk: “They will be famous. You will know their names.”
A good prescription for the current Democratic Party leadership. Don’t you think?
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*Marc Rubin is an award winning art director and writer in the advertising business, was a contributing editor for National Lampoon in its heyday, the head writer on a number of prime time network TV series and is currently developing several movie and TV projects.
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You have to read this article. Obama’s pro-choice position has gone too far.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/nyt_trashing_truthtellers_on_o.html
You know I am for a woman’s right to choose but I don’t think abortion should be used as a form of birth control….I know someone who did that 4 times and maybe more… to stop people from hearing the truth on Obama’s voting record is wrong and for the NYT to cheer this sort of thing on is wrong also…
Is that what people want in America? A woman’s right to choose is one thing… what Obama wants is wrong…
…or how many women and MEN use the “choice” of abortion to justify thier own irresponsible behavior? Ever think about ‘morality’ from that perspective?
If they are not responsible enough to use birth control, is it wise to force them to have the responsibility of caring for an infant/child?
Abortion is an individual choice, one that I think on the individual who has to feed the child should make. not because I don’t know life begins at conception, but because i know that their are far things worse than death. Like a two year old who’s dad told her and her mother that they were going to the zoo. they found their remains along I 20 about two years later. the father had killed them both. when i was a kid I loved the zoo my father got us year long passes and we would go at least twice a month. So to imagine, this little girl being told she’s going to see elephants and tigers, and bears, and lions, and then to find out her self being snuffed out by her father who she trusts. There are things worst than death. However I must say I could not vote for someone who refuses to give an infant who survives and abortion attempt and not give it help. As a nurse i could and wood not be able to comply. I could never leave a baby in a supply closet to die. and something is wrong with any health care worker who can. I can not work around children, or in obstetric I empathize with them way too much. I would probably take apart any adult that purposely hurt one. However once air hit lungs that child is separate from the mother, and becomes a ward of the state, screw mommy, if not then i know a few teen age mothers who flushed baby down toilets or left in garbage cans minutes after giving birth who need to be released. obama’s words was “it’s too traumatic on the mother, to have another doctor come in and examine the baby.” And to know he’s a father, and that he lacks the ability to super impose natasha’s or Malia’s face on an infant bothers me. this man has a complete and lack of empathy for anyone or anything. I actually think bush has a better concept of what people are feeling than obama. I also don’t lke the way that the news media lies about palin’s belief in abstinence only birth control plan, and that she only wants creationism taught when this is far from the truth. And yet they will lie about obama’s policies.
It isn;t about birth control… Its about having some moral disipline and not copulating everytime you get the urge!
Historically that’s not true. Women in marriages wih men who had no regard for their wives who may have had already one too many children and whose sexual urges took prescedence. After 6 children, a coat hanger is tempting in a world without birth control and a husband that might not even respect the rhythmn method.
Today women have more options. And yes, women should be more vigilant about their choices. Men are never going to be this vigilant. And there are no laws that would be fair in a democracy that will make them.
This is where the dialogue should be. Making women understand the realities they face so they can make the best choice.
I would like to see a society which encourages girls, especially under-age girls to think about their sexuality. It seems like a good idea to them to exercise their freedom, but at such a young age, they are condemning themselves to choices they don’t fully understand.
tell you what, why don’t you preach on sunday at your church. you have every right to your views. and i’d fight for your right to have them and fight you trying to force them on me. what i do in the privacy of my home is not your business or the state’s.
Feminists For Life, the group Palin belongs to, do consider things from that perspective.
And some of our historical feminists, Elizabeth Cady Stanton for example, saw the need for abortion as society’s moral failing not women’s. First of all women shouldn’t be impreganted with unwanted children and that is partially a man’s responsibility. But second, women who do become pregnant should be supported enough that they can keep and raise those children. It is the obstacles that prevent women from being able to carry thru in their preganancies that are the real crime, obstacles like starvation, poverty, violence, lack of healthcare.
Abortions have existed forever. They were certainly going on in Elizabeth’s day, long before Roe V Wade. She saw women risking their lives to abort, not because they had no morals, but because they were dealing with horrible choices like bringing a child into the world where it would die before it was five of starvation or disease. People can tell me things are differant now days but that doesn’t explain the fact that the number one group of homeless and hungry people is still women and children.
So, from a feminist perspective I hate the way Roe v Wade is used as if it were the final word in women’s rights. And I really resent how it used as a noose around women’s necks every election year for over 40 yrs now. Trust me, women aspire to so much more then just the right to safely abort an unwanted pregnancy.
Thank you, well said. I’m a pro-choice woman but it is long past time that the women’s movement expand its horizons beyond this single issue. There are so many more issues effecting women both in this country and around the world and we need women (and men) across the political spectrum addressing them.
I feel that the women’s movement has been held hostage by one political party and one single issue for far too long. I think that is why there is so much visceral hate being directed at Palin. She is clearly a feminist and she just might open it (feminism) up to other view points and they (the establishment) don’t like it.
I agree street_parade… and Palin is the best example of a “feminist” I’ve seen in a long time! Hillary layed down the sword – that was her decision and I respect that. But it’s not about “choice” issues. It’s about Women being treated EQUALLY. I am female, I work in the oil field. I know how important it is that women get RESPECT and I know how little they do get… I don;t have to agree with everything Gov Palin says; I still admire her honesty, guts, determination and STRAIGHT FORWARD appreciation of life.
correct; any time a women makes it in a man’s world, it benefits all of us, whether we agree with her politics or not. (and i don’t think palin’s politics are that bad anyway). i worked in mining for a while, and i know what you mean about women not getting any respect. a lot of lefty women who have never gone anywhere they weren’t “supposed” to, don’t understand that real sexism is still out there.
But second, women who do become pregnant should be supported enough that they can keep and raise those children
That’s it, exactly.
I could not agree more.
I feel that this is what first wave feminism would do. I count Kate Waller Barrett, who established the fist Crittenden Missions, among them. Barrett’s POV was that unwed mothers should be given shelter and helped through their pregnancies, and trained in life skills so they could support their babies.
30yrDemnomore
Isn’t more tasteful and ethically correct to allow each and every woman whose body will host the new life to decide what she wants to do with her life? It is ludicrous to want to control another person’s body and impose your own religious, moral views. It’s really fascist-like. Even Palin said that she believes in woman’s choice and she certainly upheld proudly the Constitution on the matter as well as the constitutional rights of gay partners’ benefits. Leave other women alone–unless you want to support their kids or you want to pay for their health and education. And trust me, now that Hillary is not running, there’s no way on earth Universal Health care will be anything but a dream in the near future. That goes for both Tweedle Dee McCave and Tweedle Dumb Obamarama!!
Invoking racism into the election is not about shaming whites into voting black. Invoking racism is to incite racism on the streets to make sure that the minorities vote for the minority and that they make it to the polls on Election Day.
Denise-
Thanks for this link-good information.
Virginia is in the news a lot lately…
I just learned that there is a process called “Early Voting” going on there as of last Friday. So…people can cast their vote for president and if any new information about candidates or issues comes out between now & Nov 4-well…too late for that voter-cant change their position on choice.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/21/obama-s-early-voting-advantage.aspx
Obama’s Early-Voting Advantage 9/21/08
TNR
An excerpt…
“Unfortunately, several states now let people vote weeks before Election Day.
As Amy Sullivan (my wife) notes in her recent piece on the subject, Virginia allowed some people to start voting last Friday, and half a dozen states kick off early voting next week.
So a non-trivial portion of the electorate could end up casting a vote before there’s a single presidential debate.
It’s ludicrous.
Having said that, I can see this preposterously early voting benefiting Obama. “
I believe for early voters their choice is carved in stone and no news and no blunder would change their mind even if they waited until election day. I am one of the highly educated who works in THE LEGAL professional community, and among my also highly educated colleagues that say they will definitely vote for Obama, not one of them can give a single best reason to vote for him other than he’s not Bush or he represents change. None of them can answer a question about Obama that is a standard in witness examination, what actions has he taken in the past that would be a fair indicator of how he would react in the future under similar circumstances.
They can’t answer it because they can not find anything he has done in the past. The cognitive dissonance is amazing, the answer I get to this question usually ends up… but Palin still scares me. It is as if highly intelligent people who can analyze complex factual patterns and draw logical inferences from often times what appears to be contradictory facts on the surface can not make a simple judgment analysis concerning Obama other than that he is new.
they’re voting for him because obama’s the “cool” choice. sheesh, what is the democratic party becoming.
yeah well those bitter gun loving blue collars are the majority and THEY VOTE. whereas the so called professional will vote if they can’t get their favorite golf course that day. that is how it has been and will be again.
I’ve heard it said that’s how Obama won the North Carolina Primary, because on election day, polls showed Clinton ahead.
Also, there was the coincidence of the 250,000 ballots – that was the number of early/absentee votes, and the same number with no down-ticket Democrats marked, only the presidential choice, as I recall. That isn’t to say all the ballots without down-ticket candidates marked were early/absentee, but there may be a high correlation. Begs the question: were the all the people who cast votes entitled to vote, or some were only told to vote Obama, so didn’t bother to vote for others, just didn’t care, or what?
I fear the extent of voter fraud that will be attempted by the Obama campaign. Kind of like misogyny – if the got away with it thus far, through the primaries, who’s going to stop them now?
If states don’t cross-check with new voter registration to see if the voter was registered elsewhere, what’s to stop them from traveling to an adjacent won to vote double? Triple? Gives a whole new meaning to “vote early, and vote often”.
SJC-TX
I liked the piece. Thanks.
I am really inept at this blogging business, but I want everyone to get on the Denver Post website to find an opinion piece by Chuck Plunkett entitled “Really, why is this a toss-up?”
I don’t know how to add the link, but here are some excerpts:
“How is it possible that Barack Obama can’t get traction now?
He and Democratic leaders blame the Republicans but, honestly, how could the Grand Old Party have mattered after these last eight, unbelievable years?”
Plunkett goes on to make fun of the Democrats for trying to use the race card, then says:
“If the unthikable happens to the Democrats, what will party leaders do the morning after–after, that is, they stridently challenge the vote?”
They had a winner, 18 million will argue. Instead, they chose Barack Obama.
‘Never again,’ party leaders will say, ‘will we annoint someone untested!’
If John McCain loses, history will remember him as the candidate who beat the odds and ran one of the shrewdest campaigns in the history of campaigns. But if Barack Obama loses, he’ll go down like Icarus, a naive but wondrous mortal who didn’t put in his time and so didn’t know what to do.
Except History would judge Obama far more harshly, because Icarus hurt only himself . . .”
Plunkett also goes on to say this:
“If he loses this election, if he mucks up the best chance the Democrats had to win in a generation, he and the party leaders who went along with the progressives who backed him would be forever cast as wannabe working with has-beens and neophytes who had no worthwhile ideas for voters and no idea what was coming.
“‘Audacity’ would become synonymous with foolish pride.”
I WAS SO HAPPY TO SEE THIS IN A COLORADO PAPER.
http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_10503528
There’s the link.
Thank you Mr. Rubin. And, since the convention, Obama has hoped you would not notice the changes he’s made to his website:
http://slate.com/id/2200517
That is Obama.
“Always change you can believe in”
katmandu-thanks-good link!
Obama is playing the race card, and the media is helping him. I just hope that the overwhelming support of the media doesn’t translate into votes on the ground. There has to be a back-lash from the voters. Obama has a definite edge cos the democrats are more trusted to manage the economy ( read William Jefferson Clinton). In around 2 weeks, the polls will stabilise. Hope McCain can pull this off.
benny — I don’t care if its Obama playing the race card or its the media finally coming to the realization that Obama cannot and will not win. Just as long as he loses — they can say what they like. I am beyond guilt for him. I care more about the millions of Americans who were duped by Fanny Mae and Freddie Mack. He didn’t mind taking tons of money from people who set out to screw ordinary people and now are left with this mess — which McCain predicted.
Send this immature hopester back to the Senate — and as for Dean and Pelosi send them packing.
I was wondering if someone could start a petition to go to MSNBC, CNN, NBC, etc that we could sign stating our objections to the media’s bias and outright pushing for Obama.
benny-
to your point about Obama playing the race card.
He was and he is-right from the beginning of his political card and judging by how little we know about what really happened during his college & law school days-he may have been playing the race card then too.
These 2 articles describe the ‘Race Card Strategy’ as used by Sen Obama and the people who helped make it happen.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
The New Republic, “Race Man” by Sean Wilentz
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070219/hayes
The Nation, “Obama”s Media Maven” by Chrisptoher Hayes. 2/19/08 issue
You are so right about the purpose of the racism card and it has been true from day one. It is not designed to guilt trip nobama people into voting for him. That is a ridiculous theory since humans do not work that way. No, the racism that Obama ignites is about firing up his base and particularly getting AAs and youth to vote. These two groups tend to be overwhelmingly for O but they are also far more likely than any other group to not vote. Early voting means that these people can be identified and tracked to make sure they do vote by the election day deadline and Obama workers have a full month to follow-up on them and make sure their ballots are cast. Contrast this with an election day ballot only—the logistics of identifying them and dragging them to the polls keeps their turnout low.
Fantastic post, and I am really glad to see the focus coming down to ‘defeat BO by a landslide.’
Let’s make history.
PUMA!!
kal — yes let the landslide begin.
Off topic but worth discussing. Last night Saturday Night Live went so far over the line that I will no longer watch the show. In order to parody what the hard left believes to be smears againsts Obama, they did a skit in which the media alleges that incest has been going on in the Palin family. That’s right: incest. It was one of the most disgusting and unfunny skits ever performed on Saturday Night Live. I hope everyone continues talking about this and not letting SNL and NBC off the hook for this. In fact, I hope someone writes a piece on this abomination for No Quarter.
Yes, but you know I’m really grateful when the absurdity starts coming from our comedians instead of our politicians.
I don’t like incest jokes either, but at least SNL was attempting some satire. The people over at Kos were trying to be serious and that scares the crap out of me.
but the media is a tool for far-left politicians, so same-same.
still, i agree with your premise.
who knew the new left is the old right!
Going off topic on this one. This is a bit long, but I was touched by this PUMA:
(Sept 20, 2008)**** Firsthand Report***** I Was Invited To Speak As Hillary Supporter For McCain At Campaign Rally
As a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, I recently had the opportunity to give a speech at a McCain rally as to why I have now switched my support to Sen. McCain. In private e-mails with friends and forum members I have been encouraged to post the text of my speech here for everyone to read.
I can honestly say it was well received by the target audience and I was completely shocked to receive a standing ovation. What I spoke of that day was spoken in truth and from my heart. I hope all here will find it inspirational. Here is the text of my speech.
Good morning! I am so honored to be here today, and to speak to you about why I am supporting Sen. John McCain for President.
A supporter of Democrats my entire life, I was an avid supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton. But, when she suspended her campaign in June, I knew I would throw my support behind Sen. John McCain. Not out of anger or spite, but because Sen. Hillary Clinton was right when she said she would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, Sen. McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House, and Sen. Obama would bring a speech.
It was a simple decision and now I am the State Chair for “Citizens for McCain,” an organization founded by Sen. Joe Lieberman for Democrats and Independents who put their country first and support the candidate for president who has a proven record of bipartisanship politics.
I agree with Sen. McCain on many issues – the important issues. I trust in his plans for energy independence, tax cuts, creating jobs for Americans, better health care, and as a mother of a soldier who has served in Iraq I trust him to bring our troops home safely and in victory. I trust him to get the government’s spending under control and I trust him to implement policies that will return the strength to our economy and ease the burdens so many Americans carry each day. I trust him to do those things because he has promised those things.
And Sen. McCain says what he means and he means what he says. He is a man of character and those seem to be in short supply in Washington these days. But, Sen. McCain has lead the way in character for many, many years.
I want to relay a story to you that was first presented in the New York Times Magazine in 1997.
In 1982 when Sen. McCain was first elected to the House, Arizona Democratic Congressman Morris “Mo” Udall took him in hand and Sen. McCain has said Mo reached out to him in 50 different ways. Four years later when he was elected to the Senate, Sen. McCain said he felt his greatest debt of gratitude was to Congressman Udall, saying “There was no way Mo could have been more wonderful and there was no reason for him to be that way.”
In the late 1990’s, Sen. McCain made the trip every few weeks to a veteran’s home not far from our nation’s capitol to visit Congressman Udall, who by then lay ill and crippled with Parkinson’s Disease, twisted and disfigured. Udall was rarely conscious and even when he was, showed no signs of recognition.
On one particular day, a nurse entered and said “Almost no one visits anymore.” Once one of the most sought-after men in the Democratic Party, Udall lay dying and was visited regularly by only one single old political friend – Sen. John McCain.
Sen. McCain has reflected on how it affected him when Mo Udall took him in hand all those years ago. Sen. McCain said it was one man saying to another that while they may disagree in politics they didn’t disagree in life. That party political differences only cut so deep. It was the reason Sen. McCain continued to visit Mo Udall, long after Udall lost his political influence. You see, the politics were never all that important. It was the friendship. Congressman Mo Udall died in December 1998.
But, Sen. McCain didn’t forget Mo Udall’s kindness and he carried it forward. When Sen. Hillary Clinton arrived on the Senate floor in 2000, she wasn’t warmly welcomed by the good-old boys club. But, there was one man who was there to welcome her – Sen. John McCain. He reached out his hand, welcomed her, and showed her around, much like Mo Udall had done for him so many years ago.
That, my friends is character and if character is the measure of a man then I would say Sen. John McCain far exceeds the measure.
I want a president with character. I don’t want a president who has to hold repeated press conferences to apologize for and explain his lack of judgment in his personal, business, and religious associations; and I don’t want a president who spent 143 days in the Senate before he decided he was experienced enough to lead this country.
I want a president with proven experience. I want a president who learned long ago that there is great value in bipartisanship politics. I want a president who loves his country and will fight for it. I want a president I can trust.
And I want a president who isn’t afraid to be a maverick, to shake things up, and stand their ground. Known as a maverick for years, Sen. McCain cemented his status when he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate. He sent a clear message not only to Washingtonians but to the world. Change is coming to the White House and it isn’t the false and empty change being touted by his Democratic opponent.
That change is coming in the form of Maverick McCain and Sarah Barracuda Palin and we’ve all been put on notice – the face of Washington politics is going to change – for the better. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are proven reformers and they’re going to march that reform right into Washington together, and starting on day one that reform is going to begin to heal this nation’s troubles.
So today, I am here to ask you do to what Sen. McCain asked in his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention – stand up with him and fight.
Stand up and fight to bring real change, proven change to Washington that will change the course of this country for the better.
So, let’s stand up together, work together, and fight together, regardless of political party, and let’s elect Sen. John McCain as the next President of the United States.
Benny that is the most incredible speech. I have tears in my eyes just reading it. You have summed up what most of us see in John McCain, the maverick. A man who has the courage of his convictions and who isn’t afraid to reach out.
this is wonderful
That is a truly stirring speech. I’m ready.
Brilliant speech! I was already voting for McCain, but I believe this heartfelt speech will convince others to do the same. Thanks for posting it!
On a tangent, I must say thanks to all of the folks who post here regularly (trolls excepted). Sites like this have become a real haven for me during this depressing election year. (I am a Hillary supporter, but I can’t get behind that con man, no way, no how.) Your wisdom and courage keep my spirits up and make me believe that good days are ahead for our country. Now if only NObama would get out of the way…
Thanks for the speech again!
Wonderful speech. You have summed up what so many of us are feeling in a touching, and eloquent way.
I have been thinking about how to make a statement on Nov. 4th, one that can unite PUMAs and inspire the 18 million who voted for Hillary to let go of the party, and stop enabling its leaders to continue to commit fraud against the American voters, especially those they blatantly disenfranchised when they ignored our votes, and then laughed at us telling us we could either fall in line, or stay home on election day because we had nowhere else to go. So, my plan is this:
I would like to send a clear visible signal to other PUMAs of our solidarity by wearing orange to the polls (or Puma’s), and voting red. I, for one, plan on saying, if only to myself, “This one’s for you Hillary”, please consider joining me. I am trying to find interest in putting together a commercial where we specifically speak to fellow PUMAs and urge them to join us. If anyone has any feedback or suggestions please post them.
BTW, the interview went well (I think) and we will be on the Today show on Wednesday morning as representatives of Virginia, who are Democrats for McCain. It took eight hours to produce about two or three minutes of tape, so I don’t think it qualifies as my 15 minutes of fame, but I hope it encourages any who seeit, who might be on the fence.
Liz B – I have no orange in my wardrobe right now, but by Election Day I will! I’d be proud to stand in line wearing orange and not voting for Obama!!!
MCCAIN/PALIN 08
HILLARY 2012
And let’s not forget, that 0bama didn’t visit his mother on her death bed!
I am sitting here crying after reading the text of your speech. McCain is a good man and he will hold this country close to his heart and take care of it.
That speech is wonderful. You likely convinced every single person who heard it. Thank you for posting it.
And we have another Udall (Mark) running for the spot held now by one of the most ineffective, ridiculous Repub Senators in Congress, Wayne Allard (CO). He’s running agains Bob Schaffer, a choir boy for “W,” who has graced our state with his attendance and the attendance of Cheney and others at many thousand dollar money raising dinners for his friend Schaffer.
If you have extra money–I know, who really does–give some to Mark Udall. He could’ve won this one handily,except I think for the Nobama effect that is occuring in Colorado.
I’m going to the bottom to post some excerpts from a great opinion piece in the Denver Post today about Obama’s problem.
Benny – thank you so much for that wonderful speech and for your courage in giving it. You speak for many, many Hillary supporters, me included. I honor you for speaking out for us and saying so eloquently what I feel.
Where ever you are please talk to 1 person a day and try to help them see that the McCain/Palin ticket is the only one that can stabalize our country in the near term.
We have 45 days to give Hillary a gift. A red New York for starters.
Don’t take your eyes off the goal and it you are timid about going into Rebublican Territory, let me reassure you…
THey welcome all volunteers. Give 2 hours a week to talk on the phone or write to the media. Lord knows some of the most amazing writers are on this site.
Lift up your voices and let them ring out for the truth that Obama is bad for Americans at all levels.
We have to win this one folks the stakes (the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, Venezula, etc) are too high.
but how can we defeat massive voter fraud?
that is the dirty huge secret. nobama will do anything to steal the election. how do we fight back against that, NOW?
Volunteer at the polling stations.
Get out the vote for McCain so that his win is undeniable.
A landslide win would help defeat election fraud.
No O Ever-
good question.
One thing we can do that should be easy I think-if okay with Larry & Susan-is to continue posting our daily observations here at NQ regarding possible voter/election fraud related issues. If we see/hear something-we need to be as specific as possible with details (dates,times, participant names if known, locations) and bloggers can still maintain their privacy. These activities need to be documented. There are many NQ readers/bloggers who may be able to take it from there (pass on to media contacts, investigative journalists, citizen journalists, authorities) etc…We could also post links to articles that discuss election integrity topics/violations etc…
Go to following link for more details….
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bev_Harris
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Make no mistake about it, many highly questionable voting-related activities are in process as we speak and new ones are being thought of daily.
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_stump/archive/2008/09/21/obama-s-early-voting-advantage.aspx
Obama’s Early-Voting Advantage
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2008/09/obama-front-group-busted-for-voter.html
Sunday, September 14, 2008
Obama Front Group Busted For Voter Registration Fraud In Michigan
Just how much more God damn money does Obama
need, to seal the deal?
How many more time’s does Campbell Brown have to
hike her skirt on national T.V.?
How many more time’s does Cafferty, Olberman, Matthew’s, Robert’s and Cooper have to get on their
knee’s and salivate on National T.V every God damn day to get this Jack-ass over the finish line….
Got an inetersting e-mail today
FORMER HILLARY CLINTON ACTIVISTS MIGUEL D. LAUSELL
AND LUCHY SECAIRA ENDORSE JOHN MCCAIN
As Democrats for McCain Ranks Continue to Grow, “Change Is Coming”
For Immediate Release
Friday, September 19, 2008 Contact: Press Office
703-650-5550
ARLINGTON, VA — The McCain-Palin presidential campaign today announced the endorsement of Miguel D. Lausell, Senior Political Advisor to Hillary Clinton, and Clinton Delegate-at-Large Luchy Secaira.
“Although I supported Hillary during the primaries, I now support John McCain and Governor Palin because I am putting my country first,” said Secaira, former Hillary Clinton Florida Delegate-at-Large. “They have the experience and judgment to lead America through these difficult times, and I trust them to work with Democrats to do the right thing for our country.”
Lausell, who advised Senator Clinton on a variety of issues including international trade, telecommunications and Latino affairs, added, “John McCain has a long record of reforming government and working across the aisle to achieve bipartisan results. His courageous leadership is exactly what we need in the White House, and I am convinced that John McCain is the right leader at the right time for our nation.”
Both Lausell and Secaira supported Sen. Hillary Clinton during the primaries, but they will campaign for the McCain-Palin ticket.
Lausell has served as President and CEO of the Puerto Rico Telephone Company; Executive Director of the Puerto Rico Telephone Authority; a member of the Governor of Puerto Rico’s Economic Strategic Council; President of the Export Policy Commission of Puerto Rico; and Undersecretary of the Department of the Treasury of Puerto Rico. He served on the National Finance Board of the Gore 2000 Committee and was a member of the Democratic National Committee’s Leadership 2000 Board.
Secaira, who is of Dominican descent, traveled to eight states to coordinate grassroots efforts for Senator Clinton, has a doctorate of neuropsychology and was trained at New York University
An excellent article! But then, “excellence” is the standard at No Quarter!
You know, when this first began [the primary days], way back before Super Tuesday, I use to think, “wow, what a wealth the Democratic Party has – Clinton (my choice), Edwards, and this new guy Obama (who even then I thought, “gee, he would be great to pick up after Hillary in eight years).” Dear god I was niave. And boy have I learned. My view quickly changed nearing Super Tuesday and then after. I went from preferring Hillary to realizing she was the only one. I use to think of those who support Obama, “to each their own.” Now, I find it hard to understand how they can and hold them accountable for their willful denial and ignorance of who he is and what his *shudder* Presidency would mean for this country.
… I guess that’s “change,” though not the type I thought the DNC was talking about.
Good Morning NQ posters.
Have some fun with this…
Newsmax.com
barackobamtest.com
Test yourself to see how much you support this guy
Anyone remember the ad democrats once used against the republican presidential candidate, “would you buy a used car from this man?” Could come in handy for the republicans to use now.
Thank you for the interview and this post.
We Clinton democrats will have to lead the party back to its roots!
I never in my lifetime would have thought I would have done what I did this week.. I registered Republican and that’s where I will remain until at which time the divided-by-obama democratic party is done and over with. I put my trust in a man who has proven he LOVES America and a woman who “connects” with God, rather than a man who “connects” with Ayers, Wright, Rezko,Khalidi, and “the Chicago Machine.
that was brave of you, caringnurse1. we have to bring down Obama and his cult following. America is at peril. Obama has no convictions of his own and is dangerous. maybe I’m being dramatic, but this reminds me of the rise of Hitler, in his time the “One”.
I think we should be afraid…
this piece about Hitler has so many similarities to what we are going through now. yes I am posting the link again..
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/begins.htm
caringnurse1 I changed back in June…never thought I would have
caringnurse1-
are you a first-time voter or did you change your party affiliation?
I ask this because I would be cautious about doing paperwork to OFFICIALLY change my party membership it being so close to the presidential election.Too much could go wrong in the paperwork process that might prevent you from being able to vote on Nov 4.
If you are a registered Democrat, you can still vote for a Republican or Independent, or Green etc….party presidential candidate.
If you are a Democrat You DO NOT have to switch your party affiliation vote for someone other than Sen Obama for president
I live in New York State, and changed from Democrat to Independent in June. I was told that the change would go into effect after the Nov. elections. I also received my voter registration confirmation in the mail.
I’m still wondering why Hillary is the one that has to give the final ‘push’ for Obama.
That’s the job of the VP candidate – Senator Biden.
Hillary wasn’t good enough to be the VP but she’s supposed to deliver this for Obama? Then what was the point of picking Biden? If Biden can’t deliver the votes and the ‘push’ then that is another error in judgment.
I’m tired of hearing ‘well Hillary says’. Why should I care? She wasn’t good enough for the nomination. She wasn’t good enough for the VP spot but now her word is law?
Leave Hillary out of it. In fact she is out of it. She’s back in the Senate. Let VP pick Biden do his job. Stop asking Hillary to do it for him.
candymarl — Hannity said the rumor is that Obama will replace Biden after the October 6th debate with Palin. Obama now wants Hillary after everything he did to her and her supporters — he needs her to win. I have never seen anything like this. He throws people away like used toilet paper. I pray she turns him down. Obama doesn’t care what he says or does because he thinks the media has his back. HILLARY LET HIM LOSE — ITS THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY.
If Obama does that, and I doubt he will, it would be an admission that his judgment (and that of his advisers) is indeed off. That’s the kiss of death for a presidential candidate.
They can say what the want about Palin but she sure is doing what she needs to do as Vp to Mc Cain.
The media love to put this lady up as if she is some kind of dunce but look at her performance as VP and compare it to Biden who they say has the world of experience in politics.
He is failing big time as a back up to Obama, he cant pull a crowd or votes, no one wants to hear what he has to say, even the media is giving him a cold shoulder, so who is doing the job of VP better?
Sure looks to me that the gal that they can only run a small town and hunt moose sure seems to be showing up that big experience senator with over 30 years of political knowledge
Let’s face it. The winning party needs a woman in it, to win it!
The democrats deserve to lose big time for throwing away the best and most qualified candidate the dems have had in a generation.
And for what?
Not to mention that Biden has been around, ran for president more than once, is not an UNKNOWN, and everyone still does take to him. If he couldn’t get 1% of the democratic vote in those years as a candidate, WHY would he suddenly gain affection from the general population?
Its Hobama’s hubris and jealousy of Senator Clinton that has sealed his fate. Good riddance!
Hillary is not going to do that. Hillary will act as the good submissive person she is and accept to replace Biden.
The probability of Clinton replacing Biden is tiny, unless something catastrophic happens to Biden.
Palin has poise and potential, but she lacks the database of Biden, like Obama lacks the database of McCain. I see McCain and Biden as large favorites in the debates because of the database. Biden will win. Obama will lose. Biden’s win will mean the choice of Biden is an example of picking a good VP selection team. Obama will need such examples, after his vaunted speaking ability is shown to be an illusion.
I don’t know about Biden in the debate, he sure has the ability to stick his whole leg in his mouth. Taxes are patriotic??
Hey – that’s his money you’re trying to keep in your wallet!
Disagree completely. Is not about database. I predict Palin will beat Biden without uncertainty, because Palin is much more charismatic. I predict Obama will beat McCain because Obama knows how to manipulate (game the system) the questions to give the answer the questioner is looking for.
Obama and McCain will have a more open debate.
Obama just gave an excellent speech in NC. He offered technically the Democratic platform. It is a backwards platform. Nothing he offered is possible anymore without what he said, a changed philosophy of government. But before that philosophy can change, the country has to tank and go into a depression. And the best way to crash the U.S. economy is to try to change America’s values for new ones. Obama’s speech is very attractive, except that if he wins he will become more and more Republican in order to try to avert a meltdown of the economy. Since he doesn’t know how to do that, he will just crash deeper and deeper every day.
lark,
I am eagerly anticipating the debates. We disagree on how they’ll pan out. Much depends on the questions that are asked.
You are right to note that rhetorical skill is important, however, my sense is that the candidate with the database is better able to craft rhetorical responses than the one who is struggling with information underload.
Further, I am underwhelmed by Obama’s naked Q & A performances. He was trounced at Saddleback, even though the questions he faced were entirely predictable. He was cooked on ABC, even though the questions were not all that hard. He is good with a teleprompter, but any decent thespian would kick his ass at the same speech, and the thespian wouldn’t need a teleprompter. For example, imagine the same speech delivered by James Earl Jones or Orson Wells.
We shall see how it all pans out. Thanks for the thoughts.
SM
think bush/quail! bush1’s guy certainly lost the debate to an older more articulate politican. however palin is no quail!
I am so scared that Biden will have “sudden health issue” and have to drop out so that Hillary will be the one to debate Sarah. We all know who’ll win that one.
Obama is just sleazy enough to try it and I won’t be surprised if alot of folks are so happy that they vote Dem.
Aaaarrgggh.
McPalin Hill,
If Sen Clinton agrees to be his VP running mate NOW…so late in the game…I think it will hurt her good standing (and her ‘brand’ appeal-) with the American voters.
PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART HERE but…the ABSOLUTE ONLY REASON that I would even POSSIBLY entertain the possibility that something to this affect MAY occur (HRC being brought in as VP) is if the DNC SUSPECTS that for one reason or another, Sen Obama will not be allowed to complete the presidential race (maybe citizenship issues?)-and HRC-as the ‘newly instituted’VP running mate may have to move up to the #1 spot on the Dem ticket.
This is so outrageous that I cant entertain the thought in my head for more than 10 seconds.
In light of all the SERIOUS unanswered questions surrounding Sen Obama’s qualifications etc…right from the start of the campaign, I think voters will wonder if this was the DNC plan all along right from the start of the campaign- Get Sen Obama to increase voter registration, do fund raising, and then…pull off a bait and switch.
We have gotten a taste of how the DNC operates during this campaign. If Sen Clinton agrees to be Sen Obama’s VP-then I think voters may begin to see her as a ‘puppet’ of the DNC.
Sen Clinton is a compromiser and a team player BUT she has never been anyone’s ‘PUPPET’ or ‘PAWN’ in the past.
I dont know if this means anything or not but I thought I’d check in.
Just now, I opened my Saturday’s snail mail (9/19/08).
I found letter sent to me from DNC, sigend (but not dated) by Gov. Howard Dean, MD Chairman.
I was a lifelong Dem so I still get DNC material)
The front of the campaign contribution request letter discusses how the the Bush era is coming to an end, and the back of this page discusses Sen Obama & Sen Biden’s candidacy.
A free bumper sticker is included in the mailing.
This is what the bumper sticker that I received from the DNC on Saturday (9/19) has written on it:
“NO THIRD TERM. Time for Change.
VOTE DEMOCRAT.
No mention of Obama/Biden on bumper sticker.
Bumper sticker colors? Red, White, blue
Hmmmm….
Is DNC intent to promote ALL DEMOCRATIC candidates in this year’s election in State and local races? If so, why did they remove any obvious and/or subliminal links to the Democratic party’s presidential candidate?
Why did they remove Obama/Biden names from bumper sticker?
Why aren’t they using Obama’s signature color scheme on the bumper sticker?
Is there some kind of ’separation’ of sorts in process?
Synergy is less expensive I know but-why remove all traces of Obama/Biden association from bumper sticker that talks about NO THIRD TERM?
Your suspicion is well founded. This late in the game, a new-look bumper sticker to an individual more than likely to use it.
Then too, Coward Dean is finally waking up to the fact that The One only cares about himself and will not lend the congressional dems his money or time. Its sheer desparation on Dean’s part to regain a modicum of dignity for himself and the once vaunted Democratic Party.
I don’t think scenario would lead her to the White House though. The voters would have no confidence in the DNC if they have two candidates come off of the ballot under shady circumstances. People would wonder who in the heck was in charge and why would we let these people run the country? I think it is best for her to just do what she is doing and wait.
For all you people that believe McCain should wait till the last minute to pull out his big guns (paul3triple). I just read a article that says 1/3 of voters will cast ballots before election day, and in fact voters in 4 states have already begun voting.
And 1 of the 4 states that have already began voting is the hotly contested swing state of Virginia.
Yet you said yesterday VA is in the bag for McCain.
Flip-Flop.
$50 to McCain for trolling. Please stop by again.
Don’t give on account of this troll. He thinks it’s his golden opportunity to come here, bash Clintons, then say, but I thought you wanted the Republican to win, I’m just raising money for McCain. He has definitely had the chance to figure out that most of us are Hillary supporters and McCain is plan B, and that he is occasionally offensive. JM08, you see how much good it did Obama to be offensive to us. If Hillary was back as the nominee tomorrow, we’ll be saying nice to meet you McCain, but my ride is here now; remember that being nice to the people you meet on the way up pays off later.
Ohio has started early voting.
Thanks for posting this article. For those asleep at the wheel or so secure in their job status, this should be a WAKE-UP call..They may be next!
Meanwhile, the oppressor stumbles and bumbles his way through the cult gathering at rallys, grabbing at straws when his teleprompter fails.
http://www.pumasunleashed.wordpress.com
Early voting does not start until September 30th. If HRC was going to replace Joe biden , they would have to do it before then.
Whoever has good news articles goign into September voting will benefit hugely on Spetember 30th.
Early voting has already began in KY, SC, VA.
If I was Hillary Clinton I would have told him “Go to hell and win without me”
I agree completely Patti. If the stakes are too high, as I believe, and as many have so forcefully said for a long time, then Hillary must, I hope, tell Obama to Go To Hell.
“Country first” is more than just a slogan. It’s survival. And it is denial of Obama’s ugliness, duplicity, and even unfeeling evil. I think many of us sometimes too easily are willing to play the “game” in the name of 2012, other “strategies” and the like.
I ask, “When is enough Really enough?” For my money, it is Now. I loved Hillary – her grace and intelligence, and much more. I’ve always voted democratic. But, not this time. I will vote for the great ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin. I wonder – what would VP nominee Sarah Palin do in Hillary’s shoes?
Have you seen the internals of the Ohio newspaper poll that was just released yesterday, that had McCain 48 Obama 42 ?
Blacks are voting for Obama 98/0. They couldnt even find enough blacks to say they are for McCain to register 1%.
But hey blacks are not racists, it is the white people that are the racists.
If McCain loses it will be because of racism and that is a fact.
True. Voting for Obama because he is dark-skinned (he isn’t AA, at least not in the common usage of the term) is, by definition, racism.
I liked the post I read yesterday–sorry, I forgot who posted–I am not voting against the non-white side of O, I’m voting against the ineffective, bullying, egocentric, inexperienced half-white side of O. I am a Caucasion, and I am too embarrassed for the many, many very good, effective AA candidates who have to call him “their” candidate.
Greta has an interview with Bill coming up this week…I will watch to see what he has to say about this election.
Just released Gallup Daily Tracking poll:
Obama 49%
JM 45%
From yesterday, BO lost one point and JM has gained 1. Told all you sky-is-falling to chill out.
http://gallup.com/Home.aspx
Obama cant replace Biden. That is another FANTASY. The ballots have already been printed up and distributed.
They should rename this site FANTASY ISLAND.
But Obama has never let rules and procedure stand in his way before.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qomPp_Y9Ps
Yet you constantly say we have an October surprise Palin/Jindal ticket.
$50 to McCain again, and I am dedicating my Monday at McCain HQ to ya.
Thanks for the inspiration.
JM08 is schizophrenia on steroids.
You are an Obama supporter with JM08 as your pen name. Ha. Your cerebellum must get tired from being in a twisted position for an extended length of time.
His posts have zero causal, spatial, or temporal associations–they’re ink blots.
I am going to finish this comment and then donate to the Denver Group for the second time even though my real estate business is in the toilet. In fact that is one of the reasons I am going to donate to bring down Obama and his gang of thugs and corrupt friends. I have already donated to Mac, but, now I am going to make a committment to make calls for him. I encourage all of you to do something like this. That is TAKE ACTION to take back out party! Hillary 2012! It feels good to not sit by wringing my hands!
Good for you!
Good advice!
I don’t believe early voters count all that much. I think most voters wait until closer to election day. And anyway, early voters have already made up their minds. This election will be decided by the swing voters, and many of those are still undecided.
As much as we’d like to see BO get pounded early and often, we don’t want to make him a martyr to Republican attacks. I actually think most of the negative stuff will come from the Republican Party and the 527s, and not so much from McCain directly. He’s trying to run a clean campaign, and I support that. I believe he is tricking Obama into coming out with nasty politics so that McCain can then claim the high road.
If BO’s opposition comes out too early with their best ammo, that gives him time to play the victim and to negate the effect with counter-attacks and denials. Also, people have a short memory, and the closer to election day they hear the bad stuff, the more it will be on their minds when they vote.
Timing is everything. Don’t panic.
well well well, now gallup says Obama is up by 4. yesterday he was up by 6. lol. rasmussen has been better and said that Obama has been up by 1. gallup is now trying to catch up, I guess. lets see how much longer this economic upheaval prevails. In my opinion, not more than a week or 2, max. then, we will see how the polls are.
Excellent piece, Ani. Thanks for this.
Marc Rubin and Heidi Li Feldman know about that which they speak. I trust them, and in a time when so much trust has been broken, that’s huge.
And I trust NQ and its readers.
PUMA !
Ani and MArc,
EXCELLENT interview. Thank you so much for this article and Marc, I look forward to reading(and cross-posting) excerpts from- your future articles. This article gives us excellent support material for us to refer to, to combat the blatant lies & propaganda and fear tactics that are being promoted out there by the DNC, Obama campaign and others.
Marc, to your point about election fraud during this primary, I will pass on these links leading to videos describing just how the fraud was perpetrated by the DNC & others during this campaign.
Thank you!
View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
Superdelegates votes can not count until convention
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
This is excellent site too…
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Obama & Vote Theft
Sometimes language is everything. I am sick and tired of hearing “racism” and “racist” everytime anyone disagrees with Obama or has a problem with race-based preference in general. This is race baiting and it is just as bad as genuine racism.
I’ve often wished for a term that would make that point. Race-baiting just doesn’t quite get it. So I’ve come up with one that I think has meme potential: race-basing.
Race-basing is appealing to race based preferences and it is wrong. Race-basing is bigotry. I reject race-basing and I condemn race-basing institutions and race-basing companies. The race-basers can continue their game but I believe we have reached a watershed point where America no longer wants to hear about race-basing and will react negatively against the race-basers wherever they rear their ugly heads. No more race-basing! No more race-basers!
What do you think?
Great article! I look forward to more Democrats taking a stand and thus recapturing the Democratic party.
To those of you who are voicing concern that Obama and his surrogates / the media are now relying on the race card, I respectfully disagree. Obama is not using the race card, he’s using the VICTIM card. The only reason he’s not ahead in the polls by double digits is because he’s black… It’s this flawed thinking that keeps African Americans from moving forward, and I was so hoping that (though I am vehemently opposed to Obama’s politics) that the silver lining would be a President that could move America forward in regard to race relations. Unfortunately, Obama has shown himself to be just another politician from the failed left wing victim philosophy of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. And then there’s that church.
“Black theology turns religion into sociology, and Jesus into a black Marxist rebel. While making statements against whites and Asians, it promotes a poor self-image among blacks, and describes the black man as a helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control.”
A helpless victim of forces and people beyond his control…Sound familiar?
Barry can’t swap out a veep at this point, and it wouldn’t help him anyway. It’s astounding that millions of voters are looking past his horrible judgment, weakness, and inexperience at a crucial time for our country.
I still don’t know what he plans to DO on the big issues. I have heard him criticize and blame everyone under the sun when he’s questioned about his record and his shady associations. I have heard him spout dumb analogies and platitudes. I have heard him generalize about hope! change! but I have not heard one specific word on anything.
No strength, no conviction, no core. Wake up, obots.
MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08
The economic upheval will continue as long as the mainstream media wants it to continue. My guess is that we will be hearing the sky is falling from the media until about Nov 5
the repubs i know think it’s soros causing the disturbance. personally i think it will tone down before november.
JM08,
Where can I go to find out which states have already started voting early?
Steve_in_KC -
You say you support McCain taking the high road.
Can you tell me when the last time somebody won a presidential election taking the high road ?
Thanks
hmmmmm-
I cant post links on this site, but if you go to the Yahoo home page, they have a headline about early voting that links to a AP article that says KY, SC, VA have started voting, and in fact they have a few quotes from people who have already voted, and why they chose to vote so early.
******troll alert*****. JM08 is a troll. He /she/it says that it is republican, but sounds like a troll to me. cos of the dis-respect to Hillary Clinton. so beware when you reply to such trolls.
Comment by JM08 | 2008-09-20 21:23:46
Skip voting for cynthia mckinney does not make you a racist, but it does make you a IDIOT.
Heres a tip … Save your gas money and just pretend you voted LOL
Damn Cynthia McKinney … No woman symbolizes the black community as much as her … She is about as ghetto as they come LOL
The people behind BO cannot now plausibly whine about racism. They knew it was out there when they pushed his candidacy partially on the very basis of his race and ability to draw black votes away from Hillary. They abetted race baiting against the Clintons and trashed anyone who tried to vet or criticize BO, implying that, as a black candidate, he should just be installed in order to “make history”. Even with all the anti-white diatribes that came from Obama supporters, Americans were to buck up and vote for him because his “time had come”. And now they’re worried about racism. Well, they’d better be–because not only is it alive and well out in the world, but because they’ve created it where it didn’t even exist before! Are reasonable people supposed to listen to the hatefulness spuing from Wright and Co. and Spike Lee and his ilk and not feel alienated? If these people despise you, do you want one of their buddies in charge of you?
Let’s look at the evidence for a couple of these so-called myths about McCain.
McCain as neocon? The answer seems to confuse neocon with conservative, but we can examine both. McCain’s main foreign policy adviser is Randy Scheunemann. He is about as neocon as you can get. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Scheunemann Mccain also has a very conservative voting record. He does deviate more than most conservatives, but most of this deviation took place in the 103rd Congress after he lost to Bush in 2000. Obama and Clinton are almost identical ideologically, where McCain is far to the right. That is according to Poole and Rosenthal.
http://www.voteview.com/
Roe v. Wade
There are four committed votes to overturning Roe. The next three retirements are likely to come from one of the five votes for it. If McCain tried to appoint a moderate to the Court there would be a revolt from the right. Roe
is indeed in danger.
Obama and Clinton are almost identical on which day? Obama has one philosophy: Pandering to get elected.
Obama has failed to convince me he will appoint non-activist judges to the Court. McCain has addressed this point numerous times, he doesnt want activists on the bench.
If Bush and Reagan could not take down Roe, McCain wont. I remember the “very scary” Sandra Day O’Connor? My favorite centrist justice – and a Reagan appointee.
Sell your kool-aid elsewhere. We aren’t buying here.
When Reagan appointed judges, there was a liberal majority. Now there is a conservative majority. The next president is likely to have a huge impact on the court for the next 30 years. Roe is only one issue. The Roberts Court has already been a conservative activist court. Look at their decision on the Second Amendment. Even if you agree with it, they were willing to go against well established precedent and carve out a new right. Look at the Ledbetter decision. This was an activist decision as well. Will McCain stand up to the far right on judges? Not if the Palin pick is any indication of his backbone.
As far as your pandering argument goes, you should make and actual argument rather than parrot talking points from this site.
Wedge Issue Troll Alert
Hate to burst your bubble (actually I don’t). Roe v Wade is settled.
Stay on topic or get lost.
The post above mentioned Roe. How is that off topic. Oh, you have to agree with everyone or you are a troll. How is Roe settled. Four justices are on record saying they would vote to overturn it. One more vote and it is gone. That is the topic.
If you don’t know, you are too uneducated to be posting here.
Well, I would really like to hear how Roe is settled since four justices are on record supporting overturning it. One political party supports overturning it. One presidential candidate supports overturning it. Is McCain lying? He really doesn’t want to overturn it and appoint conservative judges? Use your education to explain this to me.
It is, was, and will forever be a wedge issue, troll. Everyone here is immune to your time-worn, over-used, incorrect, and completely irrelevant talking points. You’re wasting your Master’s money as you are stuck in a do-loop.
You are freakin’ clueless.
Did the Heller decision create a new right in the Constitution? Had any other Court found that right in the second amendment? That is an activist decision.
I am not sure I understand. Are you suggesting Justice O’Connor became a centrist, non activist justice because there was a liberal majority? This is ridiculous.
Saying the current court is activist is meaningless. I dont want more activists and my bet is Obama will deliver more of them than McCain. My evidence for this is the statements of the candidates themselves.
Pandering is one of my personal points of disgust with Obama. I am not required to make additional arguments to satisfy you, or spoon feed you information that is readily available elsewhere on this site and others.
But thanks for the rebuttal, it allows me to send another $50 to McCain.
These people are unusually clueless about the decisions made by justices once they’re on that bench. For instance, Nixon was kicked to the curb by a republican-appointed majority of justices.
You seem to be conflating activist with liberal. They are not the same. If you want more conservative justices, then vote for McCain. He is on record saying he likes Roberts and Alito. Both are on record saying they would vote to overturn Roe. Have you heard McCain say “I would like a moderate like O’Conner on the bench?” No, because he is pandering to the far right on judges. Why do you think he will change when he is in office?
All politicians pander. Is Obama any worse? No. If Clinton would have said what she thought about the war and run her campaign like she did in the last half of the primaries she would be tne nominee right now.
Obama had to be talked out of voting to confirm Roberts. Just sayin’.
But when push comes to shove, Obama folds.
He caves.
He capitulates.
He doesn’t stand up for any of his so-called beliefs.
Like I said, if Hillary had not tried to run a pro-war centrist campaign, then she would be the nominee. I think this is where her heart lies, but she listened to Mark Penn, who is really a Republican.
Hillary never ran a pro-war campaign just because she happened to be in the Senate when the Iraq resolution came up for vote. You’re an idiot, if you believe in Obama’s anti-war position.
The HRC bashing never stops. The way these obamabots/concern trolls post, you’d think they were in some sort of alternate universe where she was still running for office.
Roe V. Wade will not be overturned, and here’s why:
The GOP and affiliated right-wing groups collect huge horse-choking wads of contributions from anti-abortion fanatics.
If RvW were overturned, the fanatics would have little or no further reasons to send money; the cash cow would run dry.
Would YOU kill a goose that was laying golden eggs for you?
Not quite. Once Roe is overturned the fight moves to the state legislatures and Congress. I think they can raise a lot more once the issue moves to a more political setting.
Yawn. If the Elephascists ever were fanatical enough to put principle over money [sh'yeah, right], and actually ban abortion, a brisk smuggling trade in RU-486 would spring up quickly, for since when can the government keep any drug out of this country?
Meanwhile, Cocky Wacko, you can use contraceptives, you know. It’s called prudence. Learn the concept.
You are changing the subject. I guess that means that you want Roe overturned. That was not the point of the post.
Actually the point of the post was about the DNC, Roe is an Ugly Frog, and you are a troll.
Yawn….
And the way some of these young boys feel about women, makes me wonder about the thinking process of these young women.
hmm the type of trolls here has changed. but they are still easy to spot.
If you guys thinking I am a troll causes you to donate to the McCain campaign, then you can call me a troll 24/7 until Nov 4. Heck I will even change my name to troll, whatever it takes to keep the money flowing into McCain.
I just find it funny that I am the one person that advocates a all out annihilation of Obama, and I have all the people that advocate taking a high road approach to Obama calling me a troll.
That doesnt make too much sense to me, but hey I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat, so if you thinking I am a troll gets the liberal/moderate democrats to donate to McCain ..knock yourself out LOL
Actually if you think every republican that does not worship Hillary for campaigning for Obama is a troll. I know ALOT of republican trolls who never worshipped Hillary, and worship her even less now that she is on Obamas payroll, so why not donate $50 to McCain for all of them too !!!!
You guys are PRICELESS !!! And alot more like the daily kos that you like to admit.
On the daily kos they call democrats that support Obama trolls, if they try to be realistic and say obama has no chance at flipping oklahoma or utah.
Obviously you have never been on KOS.
Good Gawd!
If you guys thinking I am a troll causes you to donate to the McCain campaign, then you can call me a troll 24/7 until Nov 4. Heck I will even change my name to troll, whatever it takes to keep the money flowing into McCain.
I just find it funny that I am the one person that advocates a all out annihilation of Obama, and I have all the people that advocate taking a high road approach to Obama calling me a troll.
That doesnt make too much sense to me, but hey I guess there is more than one way to skin a cat, so if you thinking I am a troll gets the liberal/moderate democrats to donate to McCain ..knock yourself out LOL
Actually if you think every republican that does not worship Hillary for campaigning for Obama is a troll. I know ALOT of republican trolls who never worshipped Hillary, and worship her even less now that she is on Obamas payroll, so why not donate $50 to McCain for all of them too !!!!
You guys are PRICELESS !!! And alot more like the daily kos that you like to admit.
On the daily kos they call democrats that support Obama trolls, if they try to be realistic and say obama has no chance at flipping oklahoma or utah.
I actually did not think you were a troll (just some sort of depressive) until you started muddling your talking points.
Calling VA a sure McCain state, then calling “the sky is falling” on VA the next day smacks of trolling.
Saying that McCain will be bumped for a Palin/Jindal ticket, yet saying that Obama cannot replace Biden because of “preprinted ballots” does too.
Maybe you just need to get outside more.
Peace
JM – glad to see you LOL for a change! I was never quite sure if you were a troll or not, most of your comments have been on the “depressed” side – you remind me of my brother when you write.
This is my first year voting Republican and it’s so far turned into the most expensive election year I’ve ever had donation wise! I’ve given to Hillary repeatedly until she was kicked out of the primaries; now I’m giving to John McCain repeatedly so Obama can get kicked to the curb… I’d love to be able to do $50 a troll or Hillary hater, but then I wouldn’t be able to eat!!! I will continue to donate to McCain as much as I can out of my paychecks.
I’m counting you to do your part, also! MAKE SURE YOU VOTE FOR MCCAIN, JM!!!
It’s my intention to be at my polling place when it opens!
JM08 IS A TROLL AND A RACIST
Comment by JM08 | 2008-09-20 21:23:46
Skip voting for cynthia mckinney does not make you a racist, but it does make you a IDIOT.
Heres a tip … Save your gas money and just pretend you voted LOL
Damn Cynthia McKinney … No woman symbolizes the black community as much as her … She is about as ghetto as they come LOL
mckinney won’t get my vote based on her past antics and not the color or her skin. it was her aa district that voted her out by the way. that wasn’t racism but performance. she took some brave stands in the past and i laud her for that.
JM08,
Thanks, I found it. Wow this is kind of sary what’s happening with college voters in ohio. Hope no voter fraud is involve. Many of those students may very well be foreign citizens.
Screw the high road…..
Let those 527’s out !!!!I am so freaking pissed at this fraud.
are you stupid, JM08? just asking. don’t you have republican blogs you can visit? you come here, dis-respect Hillary Clinton, and expect us to coddle you. If you have any self-respect, and if you are a repub, go to repub blogs, and enjoy. but when you come here, state that you are a repub, and then go on to dis-respect our choice, Hillary Clinton, that makes you a troll. In the end, whatever you say, if you continue this behaviour, you’re just a stupid troll. Please have the intelligence to understand and respect what I say. In an earlier post, another Clinton supporter slammed you. Now, you are getting slammed again. grow up, and go to your repub blogs. or else, you definitely are a troll.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA One of the funniest interviews I’ve read to date. Must be Rubin’s former Lampoon experience.
Rubin has absolutely no evidence at all for any of his allegations and anyone who believes him or Professional Martyr Heidi Li Feldman deserves to be called a sucker. After all, Barnum said there’s one born every minute.
Second, there is no way they’ll “force” Howard Dean out of the DNC. First off, his term is nearly over. If Obama wins, Dean is out of office the day after Inauguration Day since Obama will be able to choose who he wants to head the DNC. If McCain wins, Dean won’t leave office until the entire DNC meets again to elect a new leader. Either way, Rubin sadly underestimates Howard Dean.
Good grief, you guys will eat a shit sandwich if Rubin told you it was for the good of Democracy.
Here’s a thought.
Hold your breath until Obama is in the White House.
this is exactly what the artical was about people that cant see there own ignorence
There was a video series put out in this thread. Every point made by Marc Rubin and Heidi Li Feldman is well-documented and can be proven. Research it, if you are curious.
blue state, put a sock in it. you are abusive and silly!
Does the RNC really have anything that they are going to release about Obama? Are they perhaps waiting until there is further action on the Philip Berg lawsuit about eligbility? That is only a few days from now. September 24th in Federal Court in Philadelphia.
The FEC is supposed to rule on October 21st, but I don’t expect any action from them. They have turned a blind eye to all the proof they have been given about the crooked caucuses. It makes you wonder – are we really protected by any of the federal laws and commissions? They have presented with proof of the phony certificate of live birth and have done nothing. Why haven’t they demanded a legal, certified birth certificate from a hospital or other authority? John McCain presented a legal, certified birth certificate. FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION – WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
Now information is coming out that someone very wealthy has been shorting the stock maarket very heavily. Suspicion points to George Soros. A stock market crash could only benefit Obama. Is George
Soros the money and power behind the rapid rise of Barack Obama? He caused financial chaos in Thailand a short time ago. Who’s to say he isn’t the culprit here? It’s a known fact that he would like to destroy capitalism.
I was a strong supporter of Hillary Clinton, have voted Democratic ever since Harry S. Truman, but this year it is McCain/Palin for me. His character is so far above that of Barack Obama that it should be a no-brainer for anyone to figure out.
Obama, Ayers, Khalidi, Rezco, etc. Is this what we want in the White House? If he makes it, he will have it painted RED.
Obama gave an excellent speech in NC. Is easy for me to say he is a master of deception but he basically is singing a generic Democratic platform. It is a platform that intends to obstruct the Bush Administration efforts to rescue Thursday’s banking freeze of capital and rescue the demise of the investment banking system. It also intends to grow government about a third or more of the present government.
Most people that want to vote for Obama agree with that. They want to frustrate George Bush’s efforts by blaming them for the problem and they want to grow the government twice as big as it is so that government takes care of each and every individual’s needs.
Should Bush’s effort be frustrated and should our economy slide into a depression to prove that this Republican Administration purposely conspired to enrich investment firm’s CEOs?
Should our government grow a 4.75 trillion dollars by the end of 2012?
Hopefully the Chinese Government will agree
Cause they’ll have to pay for it.
Remember Folks. Shop WalMart. Shop ’til your currency isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.
My under informed sister and her husband keep saying that if “the republicans” win again they are moving to Guatemala. I tell them that after four years, this country will look JUST LIKE Guatemala if 0bama is elected.
Barack Obama is an old-school 1970s “tax & spend” liberal. Do not, for one second, believe otherwise. He is a product of the far left, and that is precisely the direction in which he would move the country if elected.
bluestate, your voting preference relects your mouth, go back to your state of denial and don’t come here.
Is the state of Denial one of Plastic Jesus’s 57 states?
It’s blue as the sky, too.
Athy, I switched parties…
Could it be that a troll in here, pretending to be republican, but is actually an obamabot setting things up to make it look like obama may lose because of racism? Could that be? Playing the victim (just in case he loses)?
there are 2 reasons to use the race card, caringnurse1. No. 1 is to provoke white guilt to vote for Obama, thereby proving that they aren’t racists. No. 2 Incase and just incase Obama loses, to blame the racist behaviour of voters. Obama wins either way. sad, but true.
In the case of JM08, you could be correct. However, I have seen a decided trend towards attention-seeking posts from him/her/android and none of them seem causally or temporally connected.
caring, I don’t spend energy twisting that kind of question around.
ivory, yeah Denial….Such a blue state it’s iced over!
Playing the race-card is all Obama’s got since he’s caved on just about every progressive issue, and he’s no longer the ‘new,shiny thing.’
The press refuses to report the fact that many Democrats will NEVER forgive Barack (and Michelle) Obama, his caucus-thugs,and the DNC for the hijinx during the caucuses, the RBC hearings, the Denver roll-call bullying & intimidation,the VP selection of no-bankruptcy Biden, and the unfair smearing of Hillary and Bill Clinton.
That type “Leadership” doesn’t deserve my vote, and more than a few other blacks agree with me.
First of all, I come to NQ every day. I’m obsessed. But the thing that annoys me the most is that so many just jump to answer and obvious troll, or maybe an obvious kool-aid addicted Obama follower. Then the discussion just goes amuck. Please, please quit answering those posts. JUST IGNORE THEM–THAT WILL SHUT THEM UP FASTER!
FINALLY, after getting to the bottome, I want to thank Ani, who is becoming my favorite writer hera. This was an inspiring article. My “radar” had somehow not heard of The Denver Group. After reading your article, I now have some hope that there may be a day when the Democratic Party can return to its populist roots.
I was so inspired, I sent them some money.
Diana,
Thank you so much for contributing to The Denver Group. Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin are two whip-smart, determined, honorable and caring human beings dedicated to restoring the Democratic Party. I am proud to know both of them.
I also appreciate your kind words of support.
JM08 is not a Republican, he is an Obamabot. I am a Republican. Although today, I’d rather say I am an American, that believes in country first. That is what Hillary Democrats have taught me.
I just wanted to say that although I can not stand what is happening to our country today, because of Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harold Reid, Howard Dean, George Soros, Warren Buffet, and the Chicago Combine; there are a few positives that came out of this for me.
One is, that I never respected a Democrat before this all happened. I used to just automatically dismiss all Democrats as being non-thinking, lefty loonies, who just voted their party line. I had no idea that you were individual, intelligent, patriotic people, who love this country as much as I do. I stand corrected for misjudging you all so much and I apologize for my biases.
Two, I can now identify with the majority of Hillary Demorcrats and Hillary too. Although, I still think she should have stood up to Obama at the Democratic Convention, because clearly, she had the popular vote.
Three, I now realize that the majority of us are all Americans first, that love this country above party politics and that it is indeed; country first. I would have never realized that, unless this debacle happened.
In conclusion, all I want to say now is that I am Hillary, I am Sarah, I am John McCain, I am an American.
Great post Val.
As a democrat who will register as an independent if Pelosi, Reid, Dean, and Brazille are not replace – I viewed Republicans as non-thinking, tunnel vision robots.
For the first time I watched the Republican convention with interest. After watching the so-called Democratic CONvention, I was pleased with John, his wife, and of course Sarah Palin hit it out of the park.
The Republican Party through John will change, has changed. Moderate Republicans have regained their party through John McCain. I respect the winner-take-all primaries of the Republicans. Not the over-weighted, undemocratic primaries and truly Stalinistic causes the Democrats employed.
When McCain picked Sarah, he honored Hillary, her supporters and women in general. This is why he will win. This is why he must win.
Thank you, Val, for posting this.
For what it is worth, this election season I have had my eyes opened as well. I used to look at Republicans, probably much the same way you viewed Democrats. That is over.
I can promise you that my politics are now country before party.
I sincerely think we would all be a lot better off if everyone thought this way. Each candidate, for whatever office, would then be judged on the merits, instead of being rubber stamped either yay or nay based on a label.
Just because people are doing early voting also doesn’t mean it’s automatically for Obama.
I tend to think it’s people who wouldn’t change their mind anyway.
The military has to do absentee for the most part don’t they? How many of those will vote for Obama (I’m thinking ZERO, but there are the delusional everywhere).
I really try not to worry so much about this, but I’ve never been afraid of a politician and his friends like Obama. They aren’t even democratic or American. Bunch of hateful greedy pigs.
I trust McCain. This party doesn’t hold the values or principles of Clinton supporters, so in my opinion you are only “selling out” by supporting Obama and the new corrupt way of the DNC. The new DNC are fascists. They tell people how to vote by voter grouping! The “tolerant” left have become very intolerant. I urge anyone who supported Clinton and will not support Obama to merge into one strategy: the two vote cancellation to reform this Party. Not voting for Obama is good, but voting for McCain is better! You not only take a vote form Obama, ou give one to McCain. For may of you in the primaries your vote didn’t count once! You now have the chance to have your vote count twice! If you think you are voting against principles, look again. McCain is a centrist that will work with Democrats. He’s probably closer to your views than you think! Obama is not. If you’re worried about doing what’s best for our futures the answer is simple: John McCain! If you are worried McCain isn’t liberal enough, just ask Republicans! Obama will destroy our country and the Democratic Party forever! Vote smart,vote twice!
McCain/Palin 08!
Val,
Great post, as an Independent who supported Hillary and now McCain I couldn’t have said it better! I used to buy into the stereotype that more Republicans were sexists than Democrats. I actually thought Democrats weren’t sexists at all. This election has been very revealing on many levels. I apologize for believing those things about Republicans!
McCain/Palin 08!
“Country First”
beebop,
If Obama wins I’m going to Alaska with Governor Palin and I’m starting a fringe Party to succeed from the U.S.,lol. BTW, Palin NEVER did that, it’s another smear that’s false, but I wouldn’t mind it in the event I just outlined. : )
Great statements, people..Another way that my eyes have been opened, I will NEVER believe the MSM again..They only tell you their biased news..MSNBC is the worse, followed by CNN and network tv, plus N.Y.Times and other papers..I research everything myself now…
Not All White Voters Who Fail to Support Obama Are Racist
There have been recent charges by certain political pundits to the effect that, if you are a white American and particularly a white Democrat and do not support Barack Obama, you are probably a racist. This premise goes against Obama’s campaign assertion that America is not about red states and blue states, but is about the United States of America. Obama advocates that Americans need not be so polarized by political party loyalty. Therefore, it would appear Obama believes it is acceptable to not always vote solely along party lines and all candidates, regardless of their party affiliation, have to earn each individual’s vote.
To recklessly label someone a racist due to his political opinion is ignorant and lazy. After someone is called a racist, that usually ends all political debate.
It may not even be a true statement that Obama does not have the support of White Americans in the Democratic Party. A recent poll showed that almost 80% of Democrats are supporting Obama.
It should be noted that in North Carolina in the 2004 presidential election, white candidate John Kerry only garnered 27% of the white vote in North Carolina. Obviously, the 73% of the white voters who did not vote for Kerry in North Carolina did not vote against him due to the fact he was a white man. In all likelihood, they voted against Kerry because they did not support his policies. Therefore, it is extremely reckless to label someone a racist who does not support Obama. Obama is currently leading in many of the states Democrats have recently been winning in presidential elections and is behind in historically Republican presidential states.
At the risk of being labeled a racist, for historical purposes and for legitimate discussion, I will attempt to articulate what are some of the problems if there are problems with Obama and his candidacy.
The first problem Obama has is that he lacks a substantive message. His political message is of change and hope with his message having no real specifics. The greatest part of Obama’s political message is about fancy words and well delivered political speeches. Watching his campaign it appears we have ventured back to the flair of the disco days of the seventies where the production is more important than the actual message. I would suggest that it would help Obama’s campaign if he would attempt to have a more intimate one on one conversation with voters. There are issues in which the two presidential candidates differ such as the Iraq War, off shore drilling, capital gains tax, employee taxes, and tax cuts. Each voter will have to decide which candidate’s political position he supports.
Many Americans could have a real problem with Obama’s lack of experience. One thing that is quite troublesome is that he began running for president immediately after winning his current Senate seat. Failure to begin or to fulfill his Senate obligation could be interpreted as a lack of loyalty to the voters of Illinois that elected the candidate and suggest out of control ambition on the part of Obama. It should be noted that many North Carolina citizens resented John Edwards not fulfilling his first United States Senate term prior to beginning his run for the Presidency of the United States.
Obama does not have a sterling work history. He was a state legislator for the state of Illinois which is certainly not that impressive. He has been criticized for refusing to vote yes or no on many issues while in the state legislature of Illinois and casting only a present vote refusing to put his political positions on recorded record in order that he could latter be held accountable for his vote. Obama is 47 years old and his lack of a significant work history is troublesome. Unlike the other presidential candidate, he has no military background.
Obama’s former pastor Reverend Jeremiah Wright has been widely criticized for the publications and philosophies advocated by the church Obama attended for twenty years in Chicago, Illinois. Many of the church messages from the pulpit have been considered by many to be racist, anti -America and sexist. Obama’s explanation that he was unaware of the controversial preaching’s of his church after attending the church for 20 years has caused him to lose creditability with many voters.
There are other things that have brought scrutiny to Obama such as a questionable land deal with a since convicted felon Tony Rezko from whom Obama purchased the lot adjoining Obama’s current residence and his association with controversial former radical Weatherman activist Bill Ayers.
In discussing what harmed the personal opinion of Obama with certain Democrats, you only need to look to the organization Moveon.org. Moveon is an organization that was design to promote Democratic causes and is an organization that solicits Democrats all over the country for political donations. During the presidential primaries, Moveon announced that it was solely supporting Obama for president over Hillary Clinton and Moveon began promoting Obama’s candidacy over fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton. Moveon used financial resources that it had obtained from Democrats all over the country to defeat and destroy a fellow Democrat without any objection from Obama. Moveon released a valuable 1.7 million Democratic e-mail list to the Obama campaign. These actions violated a sense of fairness and did serious harm to unity of the Democratic Party.
Many voters opinion of Barack Obama has been harmed with the ruthless one sided pro Obama blogs like Daily Kos and the Huffington Post whose primary duties have been to attempt to seek and to destroy Obama’s political opponents. These blogs rendered ruthless daily attacks on fellow Democrat Hillary Clinton, causing great resentment within the Democratic Party.
The national media has been pro Obama to a fault. Rightfully or wrongfully, Obama’s popularity may have been hurt by a general feeling of unfairness of the national media in favor of Obama. A recent Rasmussen poll demonstrated that 51% of those polled believe the national media is attempting to have Obama elected president of the United Sates with its biased political coverage. Many of the national media attacks against Hillary Clinton have been considered vicious and sexist by many Democrats.
Many believe Obama’s followers went too far when they accused Bill and Hillary Clinton of being racist and running a racist campaign against Obama. Many Hillary Clinton supporters believe that the Democratic national committee members went out out of their way to assure that Obama was the Democratic nominee.
Again, labeling someone a racist has no benefit. Voters have many issues to sift through prior to deciding who will be their presidential choice in the upcoming election. There are many issues that will decide this presidential contest other than a candidate’s race.
Bobby Dees
This pretty much says it all for me, and I have to admit I was rather amazed by it.
” They did their best to pretend that Hillary’s 18,000,000 voters and her 1912 delegates did not exist. ”
What really blew me away were the calls for Hillary to step down, as she was winning, as she was tied, as she was definitely not ruled out by a long shot.
I saw the massive hatred and was absolutely amazed.
The FILTH that those people are is beyond me. I don’t even understand it. They might as well run a 3rd world dictatorship – as far as I’m concerned.
A liars paradise, who can pull off the most outrageous lies and thievery and pretend it’s the truth and honest – that was the game.
That’s what they did.
They’re stil doing it.
I never understood when I saw one John Kerry rally, how the crowd cheered with wild delight as he promised one lie after another to them. I recall he said EVERYONE would have his bluecross bluesheild insurance policy equivalent. EVERYONE would go to college.
The crowd cheered with wild abandon, after each gigantic lie, they cheered wildly, like ten times in a row.
I knew then something was wrong.
Must be something they spray the crowd with.( yes that’s a joke, but it isn’t funny that whole throngs of supposed adult voters are that insane )
LET’S STOP TRYING TO IMPOSE YOUR VIEWS ON OTHER WOMEN’S BODIES! IT’S UNDEMOCRATIC AND FASCISTIC!
OBAMA WAS DUMB AND CRUEL TO INSIST THAT LATE TERM LIVE FOETUS SHOULD BE NOT ALLOWED TO LIVE, YES! THAT WAS INHUMANE. BUT FOR US HERE, ESPECIALLY MEN, TO PONTIFICATE ON THE SANCTITY OF LIFE AND TRY TO CONTROL AN UNKNOWN WOMAN’S DECISION OVER HER OWN BODY…IS….WELL….OBAMYOPIC AND STUPIDLY SMUG…Let’s not play god with women’s bodies. You don’t own them!
Thank you all for your kind and welcoming words. I am tired of the politics that have divided us for so long and am just glad we are all in this together now.
I believe McCain is going to win by a landslide. I believe the polls are reflecting the Wilder/Bradley effect. I have found the Rasmussen Polls to be the most accurate so far.
I want to applaud all the Democratic bloggers here and on other sites, who picked our country, over your own party. I truely believe that you are the true heroes now.
You stood up to the biased media such as MSNBC, CNN and NBC, you stood up to the Daily Kos, the New York Times and the Huffinton Post. Bravo. You truely do own your vote.
I really believe in 4 years, if Hillary runs again and you all decide to vote for her, no one else will have a chance. If by some chance I do not vote for her, just know I will still be wishing all of you well. I will never again misjudge you.
This is a first for me too, I usually do not write two positives posts in a row, because Obama has given me too much to be negative about lately. I think it is because before posting myself, I read all of your posts and they inspired me once again.
Great site by the way too, it has kept me well informed. Take care all…