Crisis Open Thread + Hillary’s WSJ Op-Ed Today
By SusanUnPC on September 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM in Economy, Hillary Clinton, Housing & Housing Crisis
[This is a new open thread too.] From “Let’s Keep People In Their Homes,” Hillary Clinton’s op-ed in today’s Wall Street Journal.
It’s key because not only does Senator Clinton offer solutions, she also points out that the U.S. taxpayer can come out ahead if this is done right.
There is a broad consensus that Congress must act to stave off deeper turmoil on Wall Street. Irrespective of the final agreement yet to be reached, there are several principles that must be part of a broader reform effort that begins this week and continues in the coming months.
This is not just a financial crisis; it’s an economic crisis. Therefore, the solutions we pursue cannot simply stabilize the markets. We must also deal with the interconnected economic challenges that set the stage for this crisis — and reverse the failed policies that allowed a potential crisis to become a real one.
First, we must address the skyrocketing rates of mortgage defaults and foreclosures that have buffeted the economy and ignited the credit crisis. Two million homeowners carry mortgages worth more than their homes. They hold $3 trillion in mortgage debt. Nearly three million adjustable-rate mortgages are scheduled for a rate increase in the next two years. Another wave of foreclosures looms.
Senator Clinton proposes that we create a “Home Owners’ Loan Corporation (HOLC), to launch a national effort to help homeowners refinance their mortgages.”
Here’s where she points out that U.S. taxpayers CAN recoup their investment in meeting this crisis:
The original HOLC, launched in 1933, bought mortgages from failed banks and modified the terms so families could make affordable payments while keeping their homes. The original HOLC returned a profit to the Treasury and saved one million homes. We can save roughly three times that many today. We should also put in place a temporary moratorium on foreclosures and freeze rate hikes in adjustable-rate mortgages. We’ve got to stem the tide of failing mortgages and give the markets time to recover. …
Senator Clinton repeatedly emphasizes that taxpayers deserve not only to recoup their investments but have a right to demand an end to the reckless market situations that allowed the nation to get to this state of crisis.
The American people are bearing the risk and therefore deserve to reap the rewards of a shared equity model. And mortgage securities bought by taxpayers must be valued accurately at prices disclosed in real time, with checks and reporting requirements to prevent abuse.
Third, taxpayers are being asked to bear an unparalleled degree of financial risk. We cannot allow taxpayers to take on this burden so that Wall Street and the Bush administration can hit the “reset button.” This historic intervention demands a historic shift in priorities: an end to the broken culture on Wall Street, and the broken economic policies in Washington. …
Here’s the link to her full essay in the WSJ: “Let’s Keep People In Their Homes.”
I hope her reasoning, her ideas, and her priorities are heard today in Congress and in the White House.
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Real solutions from a real leader. A real SMART leader.
Can we have Hillary back now?
Oblahblah already stole those ideas and made them his.
No, he did not. I listened to him on NPR last night and he is saying don’t do anything for homeowners in the bailout plan.
It’s just a matter of time before he does.
That is an outright lie…he most certainly does do something for homeowners, that was one of his conditions. you are full of crap
Ohblahblah! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!
The World Loves Hillary!
xxxxxxx
You can see that Obama does not care about our country, and can not postpone the debate. GO TO MSNBC AND VOTE
http://www.msnbc. msn.com/id/ 26875530/ ?GT1=43001
Hillary is a born leader, she inspired confidence and in this financial crisis we need someone we can trust. Thanks Hill for giving us hope that someone is out looking for the interest of the people.
HILLARY, WHERE ARE YOU NOW THAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS YOUR FAR-THINKING IDEAS, YOUR SOLUTIONS, YOUR INTELLIGENCE…
WE HAVE A LAZY ARROGANT MEGALOMANIAC WITH AN ANOREXIC RESUME AND A MAVERICK OF THE RIGHT WING VARIETY WHOSE PARTY CAUSED THIS MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
NO REAL CHOICE IN THIS ELECTION.
VOTE INDEPENDENT!
Pumas should form a Third Party Solution!
Hill is making NObama look bad, couple that with McCain’s ACTION and Bill’s comments, and NObama looks weak, ineffective and uninformed. Not to mention that NObama had to be hauled back to DC by W.
The trilogy that can defeat NObama in a fair election is hard at work. McCain, hill and bill appeal to the center, while NObama has no plan and disappoints his culties by having to vote for the bailout.
Tsk Tsk.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
Unfortunately, I just turned off CNN because they’re going with the 0bama camp spin: “he can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time.” Obama will show up at tomorrow’s debate.
They’re also ONLY interviewing people who have this opinion, thus reinforcing it across the airwaves. They have not replayed Harry Reid’s remarks from the other day.
The frustrating thing this whole election is the freezing out of facts and varying opinion over the airwaves. They stack the deck in 0bama’s favor and sadly, there are people who will not investigate beyond what they see on msm. The msm knows this, the people in the 0bama camp know this, this is what destroyed Hillary’s candidacy and now their in overdrive with McCain.
I’m of the opinion that Soros helped expedite this economic crisis.
I can’t prove it, of course. But it doesn’t mean that anyone can prove that he didn’t. In fact, is anyone investigating behind the scenes manipulation?
So, I’m going with my gut.
This is why a candidate who is a weak debater, by everyone’s estimation, is so bound and determined to show up at a debate on his least strong suit: foreign policy.
0bama and his cabal WANT the crisis to continue. It helps 0bama if the economy is in turmoil because low information voters will blame the Republicans even though there is more than enough blame to go around. And since the msm is in the tank for him, he’s getting carte blanche.
I have no crystal ball, but I do know we are in the fight of our life.
No matter how this plays out, the economic woes are being perceived as Republican-driven. Even as McCain shows leadership, it doesn’t bode well for him. He’s in Hillary country now.
Only up side of this is the average American voter is working today and not watching this drivel on CNN or else where. The cable news industry does not get that many viewers. The big three still get the most, but it too has low viewership. Real people have real lives and don’t always watch the news. They are selective in what they watch, things like debates are high on their list. But CNN…..not so much.
I cannot even watch CNN anymore. CNN started off losing me with Roland Martin and Carl Bernstein “tee-ing off” on Hillary every night. CNN lost credibility by portraying some analysts as neutral.
Now I pick and chose what I watch on Fox. Greta does a great job.
Ya know Mimi, I agree with you. This election scares me to death. Seems like no matter what we do the truth just ISN’T GETTING OUT. If this man is elected……. I shudder at the thought. I pray every night for this country, for God’s protection. At the end of the day that’s all I or you can do. Yes, I’ve signed the petitions, participated in blogs, posts, and donations but a this point a little bit of divine intervention is called for. I hope you and others will join me and pray for our country.
georgia,
I will join you and others in prayer.
Things have come to that…..
Oblahblah will do a Chavez if he shows all by himself at the Debate. And the Debate Council will loose its reputation.
Another accomplishment for Oblahblah for his ads.
Natinal Debate Council’s reputation: ruined.
Too bad Obama wasn’t able to oversee nato and campaign at the same time. Or that he wasn’t able to eat his waffle and campaign or answer more than 8 questions and campaign. Do we really believe that he can chew gum and walk at the same time? I know that between cigs he’s on the nicoret chew, but have you ever seem him walking??
ann,
Please email your comments to the McCain camp so that he can use it when he does show up at the last minute after he has rattled Uhbama for the last 48 hours thereby throwing him off his already weak debate game.
Not to the majority of American voters.
At this point, Obama and the MSM have no new converts. They’re preaching to their own sick choir. Obviously the MSM will not report how Obama has lost support in just the past two days because he’s more concerned about attention whoring in the debate than trying to help save the economy as a U.S. Senator.
The media’s going to spin as much BS as they can to cover up for Obama’s glaring lack of experience, moral fiber and good judgment. Just as they have been trying to do all along. But just as the Democratic voters did in New Hampshire back in January, the majority of American voters are going to ignore the MSM bulls— and go vote for McCain on Election Day.
Oh my GOD!!! Someone has finally discovered Obama’s only talent!
mimi
I love your “He’s in Hillary country now….” How true — and tragic for the rest of the world, too!
You can ignore the fact that it was Obama who Called McCain first yesterday about going back to Washington. And Obama that has been on the phone with the Banking Committee since day one - and with Paulson.
McCain has not. Absent like his absenteeism in voting in this 110th Congress
Missed Votes in the Senate
And the Winner is: John McCain with 412
Follow-up: Tim Johnson with 311
Honorable Mention: Barack Obama with 295
Phil
How many times did McCain vote “PRESENT”?
Now, how many times did Obama vote “PRESENT”?
Please quit posting this drivel on every thread.
How many times did Obama press the wrong button and then say - Hey man, I meant to press the other button so can I be on the record for opposing my first vote? Thanks dude - that’s cool. Now I can pick which stance is more advantageous for me in the future cause man it is all about me.
Athena (you must be pleased Lord Elgin returned part of the marbles to your City yesterday!)
Precisely! Obamarama kept voting ‘present’ to avoid commitment! Sarah said it best in her speech…”Obama is using the race as a step to his own self-discovery!”
He had voted in Ill. in favour of sex shops near schools and early parole for violent criminals!…Yup! A real caring person Hussein is….
Only Hillary can run things intelligently….Let’s hope karma’s a bitch and she’ll bite the skinny resume enough to leave marks in November…
TFB
Time for a beer?
Actually, you are spouting untruths. Obama called at 8:30 and left a message with NO topic of the reason for the call. McCain returned his call at 2:30 and agreed that they should, indeed, release a joint statement and that he, McCain, was done campaigning until this is fixed.
Please be factual.
Thank you,
Patrick
Thanks Patrick. The facts are being discombobulated.
If it is true that Obama has been in conversations all week with the democratic leaders in Congress, why did he not get a clue about how serious this is and be content to let OTHERS do his job for him.
It seems to me he is used to letting other people do the work and he just stands around and tries to be “The One.” Apparently his attitude is Why should he work when he has others to do his job for him and please tell him what he should do. Apparently they told him they didn’t need him.
I think I agree with then. I don’t think I need him either.
Oh, ffs, Phil, can’t you get another job that pays more than the $7 per hour NObama is paying you? Same old drivel.
Real Americans understand you drank the kool-aid.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
SOrry - I retired in February after running a hospice for 12+ years in San Francisco. I’m 52 and loving that I dont have to work any more.
This way I can spend time with you folks, and educate you a bit.
Educating us on how ridiculous Obama supporters are? You are doing a great job!
Phil,
Sweetie, why don’t go back to the hospital, hon, and enroll as Volunteer. They’ll need you to change some bedpans and they can’t get the O from the other side….go do your duty! Obamarama wouldn’t want you to be occupied otherwise….that’s the good boy…
Tim Johnson missed most of his votes because he was in the hospital with a stroke/brain aneurism and was not able to be in the Senate to cast his vote.
Phil,
Sweetie, isn’t it above your pay-grade, hon, to comment on these things….?
Another sterling example of why our nation will have cause for regret come the wee hours of November 4, 2008.
Does anyone here remember the theme song to “Mighty Mouse”?
I second Zee’s comment.
Here I come to save the day, that means that Mighty Mouse is on the way. Lalalalala.
Jaxx,
Why dyou keep posting this question?
It’s drivel like this that makes reading these posts cumbersome.
Here’s a hint: http://www.google.com is your friend.
A query goes something like this: What were the lyrics to the Mighty Mouse theme song?
You’d be surprised how easy it is.
That’s: Why do you?
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) — Deborah Horn tugs on the handle of the glass-paned entrance of the IndyMac Bancorp Inc. branch in Manhattan Beach, California. The door won’t budge. The weekend is approaching, and Horn, 44, the sole breadwinner in a family of three, needs cash.
A small notice taped to the window on this Friday afternoon in mid-July tells her why she’s been locked out. IndyMac has failed, the single-spaced, letter-sized paper says; the bank is now in the hands of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.
“The Receiver is now taking possession of the Bank,” the sign says.
“I’m physically shaking,” says Horn, an academic tutor, as she peers into the bank. Inside, an FDIC examiner is talking to six stone-faced IndyMac employees. “I don’t know when I’m going to be able to get my money,” Horn says. “I’m a single mom. This is the money I live on.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601170&refer=home&sid=amZxIbcjZISU
New petition calls for the immediate removal of Paulsen, Bernanke, and key regulators that caused this mess. Call, write, email, fax and send smoke signals to your representatives and sign every petition you can. If possible start email chains. America is running out of time.
http://
financialpetition.org/petition-nobail.shtml
How asinine. Its mental masturbation to even suggest removal when we have only months left in this administration - and who would you leave to run it? How is congress going to select people? And who is bush going to suggest?
Who are the underlines that might be capable of running it?
Petitions are great for those who cant think past waving their hands up in the air in monkey-fright.
But by all means, do it if it makes you feel better.
Can we also call for the immediate removal of the members of Congress who aided and abetted this mess?
I’ll sign any petition that includes:
Nancy Pelosi
Harry Reid
Chris Dodd
Barney Frank
Chuck Schumer
Howard Dean (hey, can’t blame me for trying)
Bo won’t go off the campaign trail for this emergency facing the country… shows his priority is not the job he is being paid to do, or his country for that matter. He has avoided debates and townhalls for about 6 months. But recently took debate lessons so now insists the long-awaited debate cannot be cancelled. Guess he’s afraid he will forget what he learned in “debate school”. He’ll probably be ready to face the economic crisis emergency in about 6 months–after he has a chance to go to “economic crisis school”. Bo simply does not have the stuff presidents are made of, and that’s not something you can learn in “president school”. But if he does get elected, let’s hope they have a “red button school”, and there is no crisis for at least 6 months so he will have time to learn what a red button is and the consequences of pressing it.
We want Hillary, not bozo.
New petition calls for the immediate removal of Paulsen, Bernanke, and key regulators that caused this mess.
http://
financialpetition.org/petition-nobail.shtml
How do you figure Paulson and Bernanke caused this mess.
Bernanke was a college professor until 2 years ago.
Paulson was CEO of Goldman - they are one of the few Wall Street firms with very little exposure to subprime losses.
Just how did they cause this????
thank you Hillary… about time some intelligence was applied to this economic meltdown
Gore and Kerry lost because they were Democrats that didn’t connect with rural voters and were called elitists. John Kerry became the Flip Flop King and Gore invented the Internet.
The Dems blamed Bush for the Gore 2000 loss in a race that shouldn’t have been close. Gore was rejected by the voters in his home state. (If Gore had won Tennessee, there would be no Bush two terms).
They blamed Blackwell of Ohio when Kerry lost when, in actuality, Kerry flip flopped his way to a defeat when he took whatever position he thought would ascend him to the white house.
The Dems continue to look for someone or something to blame for why they lost or will lose. Now it’s “blame their own” by claiming they’re racists. How about the DNC blame their gawd damn selves. You’ve given us two winners in 40 f*cking years.
Bill Clinton was not the DNC’s choice for president. He was the people’s choice! That’s why he won TWICE.
The DNC, blinded by greed, has forgotten what a winner looks like. They want to continue using the blame game to explain away their mediocre choices. Hey Howard and Nancy! Obama may be a different color, but he’s the same kind you’ve lost with in the last 2 elections: “The Losing Kind”. He can’t connect with rural voters. He’s an elitist and he’s taken away the flip flop crown from John Kerry. Why should his faith be any different?
You want us to lower the bar based on his race.
You’re asking that guilt be the deciding factor for our vote. You’re saying throw away our principles because he’s entitled. In other words, you want us to put a man before our country. Leading America is not about entitlement or race. It’s about leadership.
The junior senator with 143 days in the senate and over 100 present votes, has flip flopped on every position he’s taken. He is NOT ready to lead.
He hasn’t even earned the right to.
http://countusout.wordpress.com/
If you feel on this please share you comments
well said…I agree!!
Thank you.
Obama: The You Owe Me candidate.
I like the way Bill Clinton pointed out that McCain has asked Obama for debates for months. Of course the media never report that fact. Now McCain wants to delay a debate due to a crisis and he’s a coward?
Obama avoided debates for months, with both Hillary and McCain, but he was never called a coward.
But there’s no media bias or double standard here. None at all.
People forget that this “coward” refused special treatment and stayed a POW for 5 extra years so others could go home. They told him that his torturers would be expecially hard on him if he stayed and he did it anyway. I’m sorry but if anyone thinks this American Hero is scared of stupid-ass, lazy, do-nothing Obama then they are INSANE. They themselves must be so weak and cowardly, they can’t imagine someone actually having a little thing called character.
Beautiful!!!!!!
The Daily Gallup Poll has the race tied once again: Obama loses two points and McCain gains 2.
McCain 46%
BO 46%
Alert, new Barack America cartoon hits the fan.
http://hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/tji_bors_obama_terrorist.jpg
Objective analysis
As an AA and a person who does not support Obama because of his race-agitating, race-baiting lies, his lack of character and integrity, and his constant flip flopping let me say to you, your cartoon post is a disgrace and will not help us to defeat Obama.
As a college student in MS. I marched with Dr. King, attended rallies where Burt Lancaster, Sammy Davis Jr and Peter Lawford were present, and saw first hand what blacks and whites together can do. Obama has lied to Blacks about the sensitive issue of race. For that is he is like George Wallace playing with race. Help us get this and other messages out, (his unqualified status, his lies, his ties to unsavory characters, etc) instead of this type of smut. LETS DEFEAT HIM!!
I’m AA and agree with Wisewoman.
Frankly, the cartoon doesn’t race-bait from the AA perspective as much as it follows the line that 0bama is Muslim and a Manchurian Candidate.
It will actually help 0bama with more people who think this is pure lunacy. Sort of like the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
If you can’t prove a theory, you look stupid. You’re only going to make the people who were not going to vote for him anyway, crazier.
Still a long way to Nov 4th. Unfortunately, the MSM in the bag is really hurting McCain and Palen. The coverage is negative and ugly and will get worse.
I’m not sure if we can overcome them.
People will judge for themselves.
They will vote and the MSM will not understand why.
Lookit!– the MSM now call small town people not voting for Obama racist. Yet, it is OBAMA who is prejudiced against small town people!!! CNN, The New York Times, LA Times, etc. will NEVER get that! But, every small town mayor and person living there will.
Of course we can, hardly anyone listens or watches MSM. Get out and TALK to the kool-aid drinkers. Bring written documentation. Let them see pics of NObama in his muslim garb, with criminals Rezko, Auchi, Johnson, Raines etc., and INFORM your neighbors. Volunteer to phone bank for Mccain, online… http://www.mccain.com assist voters to the polls and at the polls. Spread the message EVERYWHERE, because the MSM is NOT everywhere. We are. Oh, and make sure you mention just how long you were a loyal democrat.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
No they’re not. The MSM is trying to hurt McCain and Palin, but their efforts are backfiring with the majority of the American public. You won’t see the results of their failure though until Election Day.
lol, this is hilarious. the polls that I really trust has interchanged positions. Rasmussen has Obama +3 (49-46), and Gallup just released their results - both are even (46-46). man, its fun to watch the polls this election
Zogby has McCain +2.
That’s ok - McCain gets help from a Black Congresswoman in Florida
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/25/congressman-warns-jews-blacks-to-beware-of-palin/
Please let Barky’s ship sink !!
I cannot believe that the Dems have so many supposively well educated guys who seem to have Foot and Mouth Disease.
OBAMA GRANT BEING PROBED
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25
Your link is blank - I guess the obots pulled it
No, it’s there. Just take out everything behind the word ‘watchdog’ from the link. I don’t trust BO with my tax payer dollars!!
Hillary is still the best and we still need her. Hope she and McCain can steer this bailout plan in the right direction and get it passed.
Hillary 2012.
Hillary IS “The One”!
On the bright side, at least Oblamesomeoneelse will know what to say now.
i bet the media does not mention the gallup poll one bit today after it had obama up all last week and they were showing it off on every show.
about the debate, i do not care what cnn says about it. They will have it and mac will be there. His camp has said it will go on as long as a plan is hashed out.
McCain is a genius, the debate is on his home-turf and now with all of the intrigue viewership will be HUGE.
Oh, and for perry logan and the rest who still blame EVERYTHING on the republicans. Someone disagrees and says it is the dems fault. Guess who that is??
Bill Clinton said it yesterday that dems have been blocking the republicans at every turn for trying to tighten up on Fannie and Freddie and that the dems blocked him when he tryed.
So, Perry. Even Bill Clinton is blaming his OWN party for the mess. Which all stems from F and F.
Bill Clinton has all but endorsed McCain this week. I am betting the obama camp wishes they had not painted him as a racist now.
Thank you Paul - I am so proud of Bill Clinton and
for speaking the truth. I also thank him for
recognizing Cindy McCain and all her great Humanitarian work.
What the hell has MECHELLE done ? Accept 150K payraise when Barky became a Senator and be ashamed of her country !!
Cindy McCain and her humanitarian work? How about the physician who can no longer practice because he turned her in for using scripts to get illegal prescriptions.
She was a drug addict who ruined the lives of many with her habit, and never apologized to the physicians whose names were forged.
This is a perfect example of why I am an independent now.
IRONY IS SOOOOOOOOO LOST ON YOU OBAMA SUPPORTERS!
Don’t you have a job Philbot? Or are you planning on a hopehandout?
AnneinPA - I’m retired from running a Hospice in San Francisco. Dont need a job - thank you very much - you offering?
Archiving is my job these days, and speaking truth to power in a few forums that seem to be inhabited by either mccain operatives or the very naive, or both.
Phil,
Your work here is meaningless. I suggest you volunteer to do something where you can make a difference. It would make you feel better that groveling around trying to take up for an adolescent, manipulating, political philander who used his office and his race to catapult himself into something WAY OVER HIS HEAD.
GET A LIFE. QUIT WASTING YOUR PRECIOUS RETIREMENT TIME TRYING MAKE 18 MILLION VOTERS TAKE A DRINK OF THE KOOLAID!!
BE GONE MEANINGLESS PHIL!!
Your 18 Million number exists only in your head. Its wishful thinking and statistically impossible that we could get that many bitter people in the United States without raising the ph of all of the bodies of water at once.
I find it exhilarating here. FIrst of all, there is no substantive talk here - circle jerks yes! Secondly, you all seem to respond to anyone questioning your blind loyalty by uttering obscenities.
I find it much easier to keep it tame and talk substance.
I know though that you would like to live in your 24/7 world of gestaltarama, where Hillary actually won, and everything is right.
Get over it. Hillary did.
Phil - You ran a hospice, now you trash Cindy McCain for an addiction. How noble you must feel!
Yes, I ran a hospice, and if the head of the Hospice, or a nurse was stealing pharmaceutical scripts then they should go to jail. In this case, the whistleblower got nailed and McCain got off scott free, because of High Paid Attorneys.
Running a hospice does not mean you forgive everyone or that you look the other way.
Laws and regulations that involve the DEA are fierce, and ruining a physician’s career, that took 10+ years to create versus an heiress is a ridiculous comparison - she should have gone to jail.
I’ve known people with AIDS in hospice care who were judged pretty harshly for what others saw as their “sins”.
That was my perspective, so I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one, PM!
The irony I was referring to: Barack Obama’s illegal drug use. (But, Cindy McCain should be in jail. Of course.)
Wicked rationale there, brother.
And out here in the real world. Which is why you’re still here.
We are. That’s why McCain will win the White House in less than 40 days.
Get over that.
*ahem*…”very naive”…
Phil - You are, sadly, reinforcing the stereotype of snotty liberals in SF thinking others are just too stupid. You’re a real gem!
Urban - Your words - not mine. Stupid people live everywhere. Just look at the people who all clapped when Sarah Palin got nominated after being mayor of a town of 9,000, and after only serving 18 months of a term as governor of a state that has a population less than San Francisco, and with a budget that is less than San Francisco. Where did all those stupid people come from that went to the convention?
Snotty liberals in San Francisco? Are we “snotty” because we post facts instead of posting emotion, and how we are “feeling” for the day.
Hmm, you don’t like emotions. Guess you got your fill of them in the hospice and don’t want to deal with them anymore. No surprise there. Too bad you blocked out your reasoning ability as well your emotions. You think of yourself as such a rational creature, but you clearly are not. You think you’re posting facts but they are just opinions, nooo more powerful than anyone else’s (hate to break it to you). Glad Obama’s 143 working days in the senate qualify him to be President. Guess that’s not as concerning to you as Palin. Very Interesting.
Since you want to be rational, please, I BEG you to list Obama’s accomplishments and your rationale as to why they qualify him for President. It would be a lot more informative for all of us if you could (for just the one post) refrain from redirecting your energies to negative attributes of McCain/Palin and just concentrate on Obama’s concrete accomplishments that qualify him for President. (You can also skip the affirmative action entrance to Harvard–we’re aware of it.)
Can’t wait to hear what you come up with!! Because I’ve been researching for months and can’t find one thing. I watched the Dem convention–did one person name an accomplishment and put forth a case besides “he’s not George Bush”? I was kind of embarrassed for them that no one could come up with anything to say. I’m sorry, but “we need to do this and we need to do that” just doesn’t cut it.
uh uh uh NObama was a coke snorting, pot smoking drunk. uh uh uh.
What a pathetic little troll.
LOL
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
I agree.
Something’s up with Bill. I think he finally got to the ‘fuck it!’ point.
And I can’t say that I blame him.
I have been playing through the scenario, and the only thing that makes any sense to me at all is: Obama wants the debate in Oxford so badly because he has been given the questions and has been practicing his answers and delivery of those questions for three days now. Think about it, he dodged McCain for the town halls… why in the world would he want this so badly to press for it at the risk of looking foolish on the rescue? There is only one possibility that makes any sense.
I so thought this, too.
I think the questions have been slipped to 0bama somehow. Or, he’ll be wearing a wire, like many people believe Bush did against Kerry.
I also think the McCain Camp found out about it.
McCain is messing with his head. I’m thinking that he will show up at the last minute. Uhbama will have been rattled and even with cheating in place, he will be screwed. Face it, 0bama can’t debate.
There’s a great comment above that McCain should use on 0bama.
I wonder if other Dems are suffering buyer’s remorse as they contrast Hillary’s response to “call me if you need me”
Oh, that shows leadership (snark)
I can’t help it but I keep picturing Barry using his hand up to his ear like that terrible ad in ‘04 of the white woman in TN against Harold Ford Jr but with Barry saying, “Hank (as in Paulson) Call me”.
And, Paul3triple, I agree about Big Dawg–every interview this week he was giving us “permission” to vote McCain/Palin.
I am confusing Hillary with Obama now. No? Not exactly but in some ways.
Hillary also wants magical solutions.
Hillary also is short in specifics and big on generalities. Like Oblahblah. That says she doesn’t know what she’s talking about, just giving her idealistic view.
Hillary wants to do a HOLC but she wants to generate income from the status quo.
Now if she would go PUMA, then I would understand what she’s saying. Because Oblahblah is not going to make her speech become a reality. On the contrary. Oblahblah will sink her ideas straigh towards failure.
I am very upset over this. Are Obamacrats really democrats? makes you wonder…
The leftwing blogosphere has a new villain in addition to John McCain and Sarah Palin: Bill Clinton.
They have been suspecting that Clinton has not been giving all out support to Barack Obama including his announcement to Larry King that he wouldn’t begin campaigning for Obama until after October 9 out of respect for the Jewish High Holy Days.
However, the straw that really broke the leftwing camel’s back was Clinton’s statement today to Chris Cuomo on ABC’s Good Morning America defending John McCain’s request for a debate delay until after the financial bailout crises is resolved. Here are a couple of things that Bill Clinton said that drove the left absolutely bonkers:
We know he didn’t do it because he’s afraid because Sen. McCain wanted more debates.
…I presume he did that in good faith since I know he wanted — I remember he asked for more debates to go all around the country and so I don’t think we ought to overly parse that.
This caused a firestorm of anger at both the Daily Kos and the Democratic Underground. So just how angry is the leftwing blogosphere with Bill Clinton? You can get an idea by reading this sampling of comments posted at the Democratic Underground:
SHUT THE HELL UP BILL!!! I can’t stand his ass anymore.
the reality is that his presidency was All About Bill, he screwed interns and progressive values with equal abandon, and he ushered in Republican control of all three brances of the government.
What “Jewish Holidays” was he talking about on Larry King,He said he would campaign for Obama after. The Jewish Holidays, WTF message is he trying to send. This is a man that knows exactly what his words are and mean.
Bill Clinton is a black hole that runs on egotism. I am so sick of tired, old act. Don’t go away mad, Bill. Just go away.
The Daily Kos is also quite angry with Bill Clinton as you can see:
he has now put his legacy and his wife’s future on the line with his comments this week…people will look back and place a lot of blame on him…otherwise Obama wins and Clinton is sent into the dust bowl of history…
now Bill clinton is hiding behind his freindship with McCain as cover for not attacking him. Would he be so charitable if Hillary were the nominee? i think not. The sooner we get both Clintons off the national stage, the better off we all are. I for one intend to rally New Yorkers to defeat Hillary in the next Senate race. Hers ad Bills type have seen their best days, and we should put them out to pasture. We all saw the real side of Bill Clinton during the primaries. He is a two faced little coward who once did some good things for the country, but that was then. What exactly has he done for anyonre lately besides side with Hillary in dragging down the Democratic party? besides, if he is the great all-knowing and powerful campaign person, why didnt Hillary win? Give me a break!!!!
Benny will your parents let you out of their basement at night to do what you claim you’ll do?
don’t know what you are referring to, Mel. I’m a Hillary Clinton supporter, now for McCain. I’m just giving you a glimpse of the so called left-blogosphere. These people are idiots. Cant help it if they type wrong. lol
Opps sorry Benny, my mistake (thus proving I am no Bambi fan….lol)
benny - I understand you’re being upset and personally I don’t think of the “Obamacrats” as being real Democrats. I came across this on the PUMA site and I think it shows that:
http://www.puma08.com/2008/09/24/did-you-know-that-obamas-campaign-is-not-part-of-the-democratic-party/
shows what a bunch of selfish, ignorant morons they are
Democrats have stolen the mantle of “ugly partisanship” from the republican party. Never imagined I’d see the day!
Democrats are driving good people away from their party with ugliness.
Could the Clintons be the October surprise?
F— ‘em.
They kicked the Clintons to the curb back in January. They trashed Hillary endlessly. So who the hell cares how angre they are about Bill Clinton putting America first?
You’ll be on your own benny. I will work like a dog to get Hillary re-elected here in NY.
And guess what? I’m a bilingual AA. The latinos love Hillary and they are the majority minority. So all the AAs who have been foolish enough to follow blindly behind a biracial man who has done NOTHING - let me repeat - NOTHING for our comunity will find out just how irrlevant their votes are.
And btw FUCK OFF!
Bill is being honest and I don’t blame him for being pissed off. Hillary’s been working like a dog for 0bama and he has yet to help her retire her debt. He and Michelle never apologized for playing the race card during the Primary and now Bill realizes that no matter what he does, he will never ever gain the support of the black community.
Bill should be very angry indeed. They LIED and slander ed him in public. If I was Bill, I’d take Michelle 0bama to court over the ‘fairy tale’ slander. And he’d win, because there’s film on what he said.
I never felt better than hearing Bill make these remarks this week. 0bama is a bum! And, I’m AA and I approve this message.
Question of the day, when will Obambi call Hillary a racist for making him look stupid once again?
Now we have a group of pro Obama senators stepping up and claiming a deal is done. The purpose of that is obviously to try to derail the job McCain is trying to do in DC. “We don’t need him here, we already have a deal.” BS. There is no deal till it passes both houses and that isn’t going to happen without McCain’s leadership. Since Obama’s leadership is so thin it can pass through a wire, he can phone it in.
This is beginning to confirm my original belief that this latest sudden focus on the economy by the MSM was nothing more than a ploy to try to shift public support to Obama.
Seems to me like their ploy is backfiring.
You McCain called their bluff, raised the ante and shouted “ALL IN!” and yanked NObama back to DC in response to a political ploy by the Dems?
GREAT WORK Piglosi, WE DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO REID AND DODDERING FOOL!!
You knocked NObama off his cram time game and fed McCain’s charge for Leadership.
Thanks!
McCain/Palin 08
Keep this in mind - at important as all this seems, when nov 4 comes this election will still be a referendum on Obama.
John McCain Gains Ground in Latest Gallup Poll
Gallup Daily: Race Back to a Tie at 46% Each
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx
September 25, 2008
PRINCETON, NJ — John McCain has gained ground and is now tied with Barack Obama among registered voters in the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update for Sept. 22-24, with each candidate getting 46% support.
Americans appreciate, respect, want, anmd deserve a leader in the White House that will put country first and take action to help them in a crisis. That is exactly what John McCain is all about. The new poll reflects this.
God Speed John McCain!
McCain-Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
Obambaby is soo good at multitasking that he needs an entire week in seclusion in FL (with suitable photo ops at varying intervals) to prepare for one debate. That’s after he’s had 23 debates during the primaries! Mr. Multitasker can’t even debate prep and campaign at the same time, and he’s leaving solving the BIG PROBLEMS, like an economic crisis of depression era potential, to Hillary and John McCain to solve.
More like he’s studying the questions and practicing Axelrod’s answers in the front of a mirror.
The pay to play guys who’ve so generously backed Obama want him to leave this crisis up to Bush and allow the Bush plan to be enacted as in, thereby keeping their valuable assets and dumping the worthless ones onto the American taxpayer, and protecting their inflated executive compensation packages - all this otherwise known as the privatization of profits and the socialization of debt.
Obama can then wring his hands about spilled milk, and promise his administration will do better in the FUTURE.
Obama’s team is trying to promote the idea that the Republicans in general and Bush in particular are responsible for this mess; therefore, they should clean it up…as if this will absolve the Democrats of all responsibility in the eyes of voters. Unfortunately for them, Hillary Clinton, didn’t go along with this and has put forward her own plan on what should be done. Worse, John McCain has stepped forward on the side of ordinary Americans and is proposing measures that will stop profiteering by the financial industry.
Obama is starting to look like Nero who fiddled while Rome burned, wanting to debate foreign affairs when ordinary Americans want to know if they’ll have a roof over their heads next week. After repeatedly refusing to debate Hillary Clinton and John McCain, he’s now petulantly stamping his Gucci loafers and asking for his closeup.
NO WAY, NO HOW, NOBAMA!!!
If Obama wants to win, he MUST earn it. DON’T steal Hillary’s economic plans, DON’T use the Clintons again. THIEF will NEVER be respected.
Wasn’t there a law passed this year that did just what she’s asking for?
they all look dumb, repubs already said once today despite what the left says there is no agreement.
Not to mention dumbass harry reid who kept saying it is on McCain to vote for this and get republicans to back it. He for 2 days said he needed mac. NEEDED him to do the deal.
So, he calls their bluff and goes. They all look like buffons.
As for votes missed by obama and mac. They are running for president. Obama last voted in july.
Mac in April. They both have missed votes and if you look at the ones missed, obama ducks the tough ones like the iranian guard being deemed terroists and so on.
Look at the lifetime vote percentages and McCain has WAY better attendance.
Obama was in the senate for 2 years before he announced his bid and only was in the senate 143 days. He toured promoting his book most of the time he was in the senate before running for prez. It shows how pissed you are that mac took the lead, like leaders do and obama said call me if you need me and admitted on live tv yesterday that McCain was more decisive.
And the debate. If it was 9/11 i am sure you would not be calling for a debate. We get the problem solved then debate.
McCain offered obama TONS of debates and townhalls and even lincoln douglas debates. Obama backed out after saying he would agree to some. You sure weren’t bothered by debates then, or when he ducked debating Hillary for 3 and a half months while the last primary’s were happening.
You just cannot spin this.
Even Bill Clinton said the debate argument does not have a leg to stand on because McCain has consistently asked obama for MORE debates.
Obama is an all around loser in this one.
Mccain is just building excitement and anticipation for friday. The debate will happen and barry will get smoked and laps run around him by McCain.
After friday you will need to call him McPain.
Harry “we don’t know what to do” Reid?
Call JOHN MCCAIN.
Hillary, WE NEED YOU!!!
mJ COMMENTER
IT APPEARS THEY TOOK OFF THE STORY, I CLICKED ON YOUR LINK TO SUNTIMES NOTHING THERE.
This is scarey that Obama has control over what we can and can’t read about him. Can you imagine the future. I feel like I am in Russia where not allowed to hear certain things or wherever they sensor news.
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Here is your comment. cut/pastedComment by mj | 2008-09-25 12:15:56
OBAMA GRANT BEING PROBED
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25
This link is working (it is also on DrudgeReport):
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article
I read through the op-ed and generally agree with Hillary’s plan of accountability, but I still have reservations about letting people keep the home they couldn’t afford to buy in the first place. Not everyone deserve to keep their homes, which they purchased based upon either predatory lending practices or just plain, ill-informed exhilaration of booming housing market. I’m speaking of both speculators and people who bought homes that were clearly outside their financial means.
Here in the SF Bay Area, where a lot of middle-class people are priced out of the housing market, you do hear stories of lower-income earners being offered 700k loans to buy homes that are clearly outside their means. In situations such as this, I blame both the lenders AND the buyers. Consequently, If we want to discuss accountability, we should also impart some of the blame on people who got caught up in the housing frenzy and took on loans they could never afford.
In San Francisco, making over 100k isn’t rich, it makes me middle-class. I am still renting and can’t even dream of owning a home. I don’t have enough to save for down payment because I am concurrently paying off my student loans and attending grad school while working full time. As of now I already pay high taxes, but today I’m also expected to pay for people to stay in homes they can’t afford? Now I hear rumblings that Dems in congress are trying to get student loans added onto the bail out plan too. To me, that is indicative of how far we have fallen from fiscal responsibility, and that pandering for votes is now openly accepted.
agreed…there are some people who could afford to stay in their homes if their loan is converted to a low fixed rate. If they still can’t afford it, then they should be looking for one that they can or get an apartment. It isn’t fair to those who have acted responsibily.
I hear that…not rewarding bad behavior is certainly encouraged by me and most folks. This situation may be a bit different in that the amount of folks who are in homes that they could ill afford may be enough to keep housing prices going down for a good bit more time, which in turn makes recovery that much farther off. The balance of helping the market/econonmy and not rewarding their participation in the problem is the key and the reason that thankfully there are people like Senator Clinton ready to make those tough but responsible decisions about whether ‘you’ are to be denied help because you reached for something that was thought to be always unattainable(and really was) but was now legally(mostly) being offered-the chance to have a nice house w/ a yard, in a nice neighborhood, etc.. It’s all around f1234ed up…and just like always, lots of poorer folks are gonna be even poorer for it.
Yes, many people bought houses that were way too expensive considering their incomes. But the real estate agents, backed up by the companies that approved the subprime mortgages told them that they could live in these expensive houses for a few years, paying only a discounted interest rate, and that the value of their houses would increase so much that by the time the rates increased they would have substantial equitey in the house and could sell for a profit.
So many people bought into this dream that house prices soared totally unrealistically, and when time came to sell the market was oversaturated and prices plummeted. Were people greedy? Probably somewhat, but on the other hand, many people were pressured and told that they would be fools for not taking advantage of the situation, and, of course, they could see the earlybirds into the market actually coming out winners.
In states like Vermont, where the population and the lenders both tended to be much more conservative and cautious, there were way fewer subprime loans, house prices stayed lower, and the ‘crisis’ is not as grave.
But it’s very unfair to blame buyers, many who were actually conned by high pressure sales pitches from both the real estate agents and the lending institutions. Many were told things like, ‘they wouldn’t give your the loan unless they were 99% sure this was a solid investment’. For many people, an investment in a home is the only way they will ever build equity, and when they are told they would be irresponsible short-sighted fools for not taking advantage of that golden time to increase their net worth as a hedge against inflation and a help in retirement, how can we blame largely unsophisticated investors for believing the experts, expecially when they could see friends and neighbours who’d already cashed in bigtime?
Hillary Clinton is a total. freaking. star!!
The democratic party is lucky to have her!
Hillary Clinton is ALL they have going for them.
While Obama just says he doesn’t think Congress should try to do anything for homeowners in this plan! WTH?? Obama should be the one writing this article, but he doesn’t know enough. It’s outrageous that Hillary is not our candidate. I hope she fights to include her agenda in the final plan.
Friday’s debate is Nobama’s “Peter Brady Party” no-one shows but him. bahhhhh hahhhaaaaa
LOL!
and maybe MEchelle will wear that wig that Jan Brady wore in that other episode, and say “Palin, Palin, Palin” like Marcia, Marcia, Marcia
Bill Clinton: Don’t ‘Overly Parse’ McCain Request to Delay Debate
Look for video September 25, 2008 8:26 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/
See, that is why I liked Clinton. She looks at history of FDR (not made up one by Biden) and look at the solutions that were offered to help America in the 21st Century.
Where is Obama who is suppose to be a strong economic guru? Nowhere to be found.
PUMA 2008!
Hillary is the TRUE leader of
the Democratic Party!
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Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-09-25 13:25:43
Frank just said live to Erin on CNBC the one sticking point with Bachus is the bankruptcy cram down part he says they have consensus on the rest and are heading to meet with Bush and MAC and the other one in an hour,
Lets see them PUSH for HILLARYS HOLC PLAN!!
Yes please get that in there NOW or it will never come and all this money will be spent wiht no break for the homeowners, including those trying to AVOID bankruptcy!
WE WANT HOLC
WE WANT HOLC
HILL-A-REE
HILL-A-REE
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Comment by ginaswo still says no Uhhbama | 2008-09-25 13:26:54
in fact, if I were John McCain I would insist that “Hillary Clinton’s wise HOLC suggestion be implemented” and then go tell the people that, exactly, give Hill credit
yep :0)
Remember when Ronald Reagan was taking office and Iran released the hostages because they were afraid of what Reagan might do… this is almost the same thing with McCain going to Washington D.C. and all of a sudden a bailout plan is a done deal… Just the thought of McCain’s leadership got things done.
The whole Iran-Contra thing makes me think Iran wasn’t really scared of Reagan or Reagan of Iran. I do wish though that McCain had Infinity Bands (look it up) that contained that power. We’d be all better off for it.
Wait. No. Actually, I wish that Hillary, not McCain, had Infinity Bands. Yes. That’s better.
Iran was scared of Reagan… the Iran-Contra came at the end of his presidency.
Hillary yes!!!! but this year McCain!!!!
oh yeah: and thanks for the putdown ie: wheelz vs ablebodied!!!! You going to ask me to stand up like Biden.
Have ya’ll seen the new McCain ad on coal?
What a hoot. Their admen are superb.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT12O9bWUQw
Here’s a piece everyone should read also from the WSJ, dated Sept. 23, 2008 about Ayers and The Thug.
“Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools”
If you don’t read the entire piece (which you should) - take note of paragraph 8, where Ayers says, “I’m a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
McCain/Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
Question: if McCain picked up 3 points in Gallup, which uses a three day rolling average, how many points did he gain last night?
Sorry to interrupt all the Obama vs. Clinton hooting and hollering, which subject matter was surely riveting enough the first few thousand times I came across it, but:
I don’t think that *either* the executives of the investment banking firms *or* the holders of the subprime mortgages should get any sort of benefit from this whole thing.
I’ve never been in favor of limiting compensation of CEOs of successful companies. But when your ship goes down, you go down with it. I agree with the Dems on this: there should be a limit to the executives’ compensation, and that limit is $0. Let them find jobs they’re good at, if they can.
On the other hand, it’s dangerous to let any of the bailout money go to keeping people in their houses who do not financially qualify for a mortgage of that size. If you do that, all you’re doing is proving you didn’t learn from the whole thing experience, and promoting irresponsible behavior.
This is why I can never seem to get behind either the Republicans or the Democrats. The Republicans look out for the well-being of the top few dozen individuals; the Democrats are forever trying to buy lifelong constituents by spreading cash around to those on the bottom third of the economic ladder; and the money that the two parties are spreading around belongs to ME and others like me, and I quite frankly don’t give a rat’s rosy ass about EITHER of the proposed recipients of the money.
I say: Bring on the depression if there’s to be one. If I lose my business and my retirement savings in the process, that’s preferable, in my mind,to any sort of bailout of people who mismanaged their finances expecting us to come to their rescue.
No bailout! Let’s quit postponing the inevitable and simply face up to our fears now rather than putting it off for later (which will only make it worse).
If you want to preach Hayek economics, fine by me. Go cast your vote for Ron Paul or Baldwin or Barr or whoever.
Meanwhile, there’s a campaign in progress between McCain and Pure Evil, and a ‘moral equivalency’ attitude only insures that Pure Evil will win.
I definitely agree with you - based on what I’ve read concerning this bailout so far.
I was just talking with the misses and this just dawned on me…this s123 always happens, right?- big company goes under, the proletariat is scared, news is dire, the market lurches upside down and lands with broken ankle, all because a CEO, CFO, BFD-big f123in’ deal, runs company into the ground, gets massive goodbye package.
The last part, ‘gets massive goodbye package’, always gets at folks good sensibilities. Why would he/she get paid so f123ing much money for doing such a bad job!!!!???
They aren’t getting paid for doing a bad job, their doing a great job. I think(conspiratorial part coming up) that that ‘bonus’, ‘golden parachute’ is actually hush-the-hell-up-money so you they don’t tell anyone about what really went on in the company-that the real folks who have the cheese who invest millions by themselves in the company when the company is riding high but then roll-the-f123-out with a nice return on their investment before feet start fitting in asses because things weren’t really that solid in the first place. Lots a hyphens, I know.
It just makes way more sense than thinking, ‘Man, all the boards of these companies really are dumb, like to reward incompetence, don’t have good admin.assist.’s who keep up-to-date info, etc.’.
They sure as hell can’t kill ‘em to shut them up. Who would want to take fill that spot? It’s a lot more attractive to be in a position where you can get the goods on the corrupt process, be part of it and get paid handsomely to keep some serious shutupness about it. Just sayin’. Made sense to her, my wife. That’s all that really matters.
Did you know that Obama’s Campaign is NOT part of the Democratic Party?
September 24, 2008
by PUMA Pundit
Hmmm. I read an interesting article this morning about how Obama’s campaign has chosen to be a separate entity from the Democratic Party, interesting to say the least.
A few excerpts from the article at DBKP.net
Will Election 2008 be remembered as the first contest between Republicans and Obamacrats–or the first between the Obamacrats and the Democrats?
Senator Barack Obama is building a national organization separate and apart from the national Democrat Party apparatus–at least in any state where the outcome of the November election is at all in doubt.
In state after state, the Obama campaign, in a break with tradition, has opened up its own offices–which largely push Barack Obama, and only Obama–apart from the Democrat Party’s own offices in those very same communities.
Obama has, literally, hundreds of these offices dotting the USA.
and
In our weekend visit to Obama offices, we found that local and state Democrat candidates did have a presence at the Campaign for Change offices–but not much of one.
Almost all of the usual campaign giveaways were there: pencils, literature, stickers. They were all on a small table in the back of the room.
That small table represented all of the local, district and state Democrat candidates–combined. The rest of the spacious room was dedicated to Barack Obama. In almost every case, it was Obama without a meniton of running mate, Joe Biden.
The local Democrat campaign office, we were informed, was “down the street, around the corner.”
The Obama campaign and supporters will likely dismiss the separate offices as “smart thinking” and “targeting resources”. But, each office sucks up resources: lease money, campaign materials and manpower. The Campaign for Change offices are staffed by volunteers, but a volunteer sitting behind a desk is a volunteer not knocking on doors.
But in this way, the Obama campaign is sure of one thing: the volunteer on the phone in a Des Moines Campaign for Change office will be talking about Barack Obama–not the local Democrat candidate for County Commissioner.
The Obama campaign is apparently charging fellow Democrats for Obama campaign materials. At a Democrat-sponsored booth at an event in Wheeling WV, local Democratic candidates manning the location complained about this sign of Obamaization. The booth featured many local and state Democrat candidates, but not much Obama signage or literature.
“We had to pay for them,” a lady complained. “They don’t give us anything.”
and of course, in line with the fact that the Obama campaign is short on cash:
Even Obama supporters have to pay the campaign for everything in the offices. “Al”, who we spoke to at a local Obama campaign office, said he had to “pay for the lease out of my own pocket. All of the t-shirts, button, stickers here, I paid for.”
So, if Obama volunteers are paying the campaign for everything and picking up the tab for leases, isn’t this just a smart move?
Each Campaign for Change office becomes a cash cow: it not only pays for itself, it sends money to the national Obama campaign for campaign materials.
And, the staff isn’t wasting time contacting voters about the other Democrat candidates. At Campaign for Change, it’s All Obama, All of the Time.
Vote in what poll,MSNBC? HELL NO thatpoll is rigged.It make me sick that it went to MSNBC.I HAVE NOT WATCHED MSNBC-CNN FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS STARTING May 08-I can’t stand watching them.I will never watch msnbc again or CNN-even after the election and Campbell Brown needs to get a real job as the rest at MSNBC-
Obama’s court fate was yesterday to prove he was a U.S citenzen…Well again Obama refused to show proff in court-They got a motion but a motion will be file again against Obama to show proff of alot of documents including his birth certificate.So tell me why didn’t Obama want to show his birth certificate in court yesterday 9-24-08? Hello what’s Obama hideing-Better wake up people.Obama could not clear his self up yesterday in court.HELLO…..
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Obama grant being probed
$100,000 DEAL | State to charity: What happened to garden money, other cash?
http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdogs/1184049,CST-NWS-watchdog25.article
Isn’t it just heartwarming to know that since 2006 when the Reid/Pelosi gang took control of Congress, that their most notable accomplishment has been to hold meaningless Congressional hearings (just nothing more than a euphanism for photo ops and pretending to be working) on steroid use in professional baseball?