Overnight Open Thread [Update]
By SusanUnPC on September 28, 2008 at 10:35 PM in Current Affairs, Economy, Open Thread
This is an open thread. Check the Asian markets- which are now open — via CNBC. I hear it’s down 450. [Update: C-Span 1 is carrying the House session, which is still going on as of 9:30 p.m. PT. House members are debating the bill, and new rules that would aid quick passage.]
Then, let’s contemplate a comparison, a possibility — especially you who have tonight gazed at Larry Johnson’s profoundly soul-wrenching photographs of the graves of those who gave their lives so long ago and who we know were heroes. We never knew them. We can never thank them. But bless them for what they did for us.
Let us compare those heroes, long silent, to another man’s history, to Bill Ayers for whose cause many died (but not as heroes). A man who has been closely associated with Barack Obama for over two decades, not just in Chicago but also who lived within a shout of Obama in New York City during Obama’s secretive years at Columbia University (those years which Obama rarely writes about or recalls). A man who but for a freak accident would have killed, with utter cruelty and for no good reason, more of our nation’s heroes:
The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened
“Just some guy in the neighborhood” who almost blew up the Fort Dix NCO Club.
In less than the blink of an eye, the blast of eight tightly-bound sticks of dynamite shattered the brittle wooden shell of the building hastily constructed during the Second World War, adding jagged splinters and rusting nails to the shrapnel that ripped through cheap tables and chairs, taffeta and chiffon, uniforms, and flesh.
Before the concussive shock waves reverberated off nearby buildings, half a dozen human beings closest to the outside wall of the NCO Club became mist.
The roof, lifted skyward by the explosion and suddenly absent a supporting wall as it returned to earth, crashed down on the dead and dying. Leaking bottles from the shattered bar fed the rapidly spreading flames, and deafened, dazed and bleeding survivors crawled or stumbled towards escape in ones and twos.
As soldiers from nearby buildings ran to help the bleeding and burned, a carefully-crafted 12″ pipe-bomb studded with roofing nails hidden in a nearby trash can went off, turning rescuers into additional victims.Just outside Fort Dix confused onlookers sat in stunned amazement, as a pair of nondescript young women nervously laughed and counted ambulances for a half hour before losing count and heading back to the townhouse in Greenwich Village. The message had been sent.
Though he would have no way of knowing it at the time, the Weatherman’s attack on the non-commissioned officer’s dance would stand as the deadliest act of terrorism on U.S. soil for 25 years, 1 month, and 13 days, until Timothy McVeigh drove into Oklahoma City and infamy.
Of course, that isn’t how history unfolded.
Instead of counting ambulances as a measure of their handiwork on the night of March 6, 1970, a dazed and panicking Kathy Boudin was running from police, and the remains of Diana Oughton were scattered in the rubble of the townhouse basement, as the bomb she was helping build went off, killing her, Terry Robbins, and Theodore Gold.
A careless movement, inadvertent twitch, poor design, or perhaps an act of God stopped the Weathermen from carrying out their attempt to dramatically and lethally escalate their war against the United States. … (Read all.)
And now, an open thread:
That Barack’s long association with such a person is not uniformly condemned for anyone in public service is astounding to me. To think that politicians are castigated for trivial things like “macaca” moments but not for such devastatingly unwise personal relationships is beyond my imagination.
We live in a time when half the population want America to be punished and defeated in the world.
Now it’s up to us to save America!
All Republicans
Half of all independents
and a third of all democrats.
This Dem is with you, Seattle Moss.
This lifelong Dem is now a Proud Republican.
The more I see of the Dems this year, and especially the duplicity on Fannie and Freddie, the more I can’t stand them.
Thy have turned me off FOREVER.
Why do Democrats think that people who earn less than $50k per year deserve million dollar homes?
Obama, Dodd, and payola happy Dems are the Poster Children for what ails our government.
I question your logic.
The Republicans had control over all three branches of government from 2000 to 2006. They flushed the whole country down the toilet–and now you’re blaming the Democrats?
It was a joint effort. In legal parlance, Democrats aided and abetted Republicans in the destruction of democracy.
In 2000 we heard how fighting GWB would bring on a Constitutional crisis. In 2004 when evidence of election fraud was entered into the record before the electoral vote few Democrats voted to pursue it.
We voters were so incensed that we elected a Democratic majority who promised to impeach. Yet the first action of that majority was telling us “impeachment off the table.” And since 2006 Democrats have whined that Republicans are still blocking everything we wanted them to do.
But you can’t fool us again. The Denver Convention opened the eyes of millions who had made excuses for why their party did not forcefully fight Republican election fraud and could not believe that their own party would betray them by using those same election fraud tactics against them.
And like it or not, the open and blatant stealing of votes from other candidates to ensure Soertoro/Obama’s selection was that final straw. They won’t be back and will take their bitter dose of reality without either party’s hope/change sugar coating.
I don’t but it, because this is what people always say.
When the Democrats screw up, everyone says “The Democrats screwed up.”
When the Republicans screw up=, everyone says “Both parties screw up.” That’s what you just did, and I think it’s a double standard.
Like I say, we had six years of complete Republican hegemony. They had no one to blame but themselves—so of course, they blamed the Democrats.
“Buy” it. Must get new keyboard.
Between 1933 and 1995, Democrats controlled the House of Representatives for 58 of those 62 years, ceding power to the Republicans only twice: in 1947-1948 and again in 1953-1954. From 1955 to 1995, their power was unbroken for forty straight years. From 1933 to 1995, Democrats controlled the Senate for 52 of those 62 years. Between 1933 and 1981, a period of 48 years, they were only out of power for the same four years as the House. Between 1981 and 1986, Republicans had tenuous control of the Senate, but power was again returned to the Democrats in 1987 and they kept it until 1995. In other words, Democrats enjoyed a virtual monopoly of power in Congress from 1933 to 1995.
In the 1970s particularly, Democrats changed House rules to further favor their liberal legislative agenda. As Democrat power grew, Republican House members and Senators were increasingly marginalized. They were routinely ignored, snubbed and ridiculed by Democrats in both chambers. Congressional committee staffs were disproportionately Democrat. Republicans were essentially “seen and not heard.”
We are feeling the effects of many policies that were enacted in the Carter administration. Bill Clinton was a good President, but George Bush could not control spending in his administration and screwed up with his inherited government.
Reporting for Duty, Seattle Moss!!! I am part of the 1/3 Democrats (but I am an ex-Democrat).
Seattle Moss, it is right to say that majority of this generation has forgotten the value of honesty,respect,integrity and gratitude for the blessings we are enjoying.Where is the outrage of the intelligent citizens ? Our voice is so mute, no one cares.The one who cared, Senator Hillary Clinton, was cheated by Obama & his supporters, the Chicago dirty political machine.
There are fanatics to their ideologies that destruction is their only means to communicate to the civilized world.
Ayers and group are the cancerous cells of this great nation. They seem to cast spell to the MSM & spread their venom.
Our weapon is our VOTE ! We own our vote !
Campaign harder to fight for the rights of the good citizens,dead or alive.My prayers for those who lost their lives due to coward homeland terrorists like Bill Ayers & group.Special prayers for their families & we hope they are working hard to avenge the death of their loved ones by voting Republicans.
VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08
HILLARY ‘12
GOD SAVE AMERICA !!!
Sounds like a great coalition to me!
seattle moss — reporting for duty. If this deal gets done its because John McCain went to Washington to stop the Democrats from loading the bill with Pork. He gets the credit here.
Reporting for duty, also.
reporting for duty too sarg Moss!
I love you guys!!
I wish Hillary would quit the D party and join the R party.
I wish she had been chosen for McCain’s running mate, making a whole NEW party. THAT would be CHANGE we could HOPE for.
Yes! That would have been fantastic. A centrist party.
I am no longer a Democrat but I sure as hell ain’t a Republican. In our rage at what the Democrats are doing “now” let’s not forget the recent sins of the Republicans.
I left the Party that no longer represented me or the things I believed in. I am not about to join a party that represents even fewer things I believe in.
I will vote for John McCain because he is the lesser of two evils and I honestly believe that he cares deeply about this country. Obama cares for nothing but Obama.
I am an Independent and have no use for either of our corrupt political parties. Getting rid of all incumbents of both parties and starting from scratch is what needs to be done. And the sooner we start the sooner the country will be represented by people that know if they don’t represent the people their sorry asses will be voted out of office.
Just because Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer are pieces of crap is no reason to pretend that John Boehner and Blount are one bit better. I applaud Republicans for having the common sense to listen to their constituencies while Democrats seem averse to listening to their base. In the long run, this is gonna cost them. And justly so.
I’m with you. The Democrats have no spine, but the Republicans have been selling the country on the radical individualism of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand all the while touting how “Christian” they are. (Both Reagan and Greenspan were Rand devotees.)Moderate Republicans have had to go along or get destroyed by their own party as McCain was in 2000.
The wimpy Democrats have been cowed by the corporatization of our news and by the need for money to compete with the Republicans. If we really want to see change, we need to pressure the media to be more substantive and objective. We should also support public funding of elections. And moderate Republicans. (If only McCain didn’t tout Phil Gramm as an economic expert.)
If McCain loses the election, especially by a big margin, it will give the right wing ammunition to argue that that moderates can’t win.
Neither am I. I think both Parties are slime, now.
But to each his/her own.
My vote for McCain/Palin is a protest vote.
BTW,
I have a bracelet,too!
It is also astonishing that law enforcement seemed willing to help out the truth squad in MO. WTF?
Anyone can ask if it matters. If there’s a real connection. Blah-blah. But the alarming thing about BARAK HUSSEIN Barry Soetoro OBAMA is that these are the ONLY kind of people he knows!
Remember the ‘Hillary I Know’ section at Hill’s site? All these people who gave testimony to her? And they showed what a 24 karat person she really is!
Where are these people for Obama? There isn’t just a dearth of them - not a single one of them exists!
‘Clueless’ is not a badge of pride for a first time voter!
I really can you know. Don’t you believe me?
Ayer’s lived down the street and served on at least 3 organization boards, of which one, the CAC that NObama chaired funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to Ayer’s radical education projects including The Peace School. They also served together on 4 person committees wherein they again collaborated on acquiring exorbitant amounts of money. Together with their mutual friend, Rezko, they live in the same neighborhood where they have dinner, launch campaigns and reminesce about the long association between their fathers, Tom and Barry Sr. Or, perhaps, they discussed Alinsky,Auchi, or Sheik al Talweed and how best to take down America… Oh, I mean, get elected to change America.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
MCCAIN/PALIN
Their fathers were connected? I didn’t know that. Tell me more.
We all know Tom Ayers; but Barry Sr? Hello?
This link is a very basic but good overview of the connections. Tom Ayers knew Obama Sr. and Frank M. Davis. I thought you knew. http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/williams/2008/09252008.htm
The linked article is ridiculous and mostly a crock. I did not see a reference to relationship between Tom Ayers and Obama Sr. but it could have been buried in the drivel.
Just for the record - I detest Obama but your source sucks. Got another one?
NOtice in this link the reference to Tom Hayden, husband of “Hanoi Jane”. Note the time period. Follow that thread. http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/obamas-ties-to-ayers-back-to-high-school/
I haven’t contacted the author to source her info, but my guess is she has much more.
Isn’t his name Sheik al Dillweed?
Obama and Ayers fathers were never associated, Ayers father and Frank Marshall Davis were associated!
Barack’s gramps, the white one, was also pals with F. Marshall Davis in Hawaii, as was his mother and grandma… anybody doing the two plus two stuff?
Comrades unite! We have nothing to lose but our Chains!
These are the same Marxists that attacked our country in the sixties and seventies. The same sonsofbitches.
“These are the same Marxists that attacked our country in the sixties and seventies. The same sonsofbitches.”
Yep, and where did they seek employment and take up residence?
The MEDIA and ACADEMIA! Hooray.
The long march through the institutions has produced millions of university products which are more indoctrinated than educated; AND more easily INFLUENCED! And we know who is in the business of “influence.” The MSM has control of what ideas are in play in the “free” market of ideas. That is, the deck of cards has been stacked.
Yep.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
Stanley and ______ Dunham were very involved in the Communist Party when they lived in both Mercer Island, Washington and Hawaii.
Forgot her name. It is late.
obi’s “typical white grandmother” was NOT TYPICAL. She was a radical leftist like her husband, like her daughter and like the granson they raised. There was nothing “typical” about her, that’s why he won’t allow the media to speak to her.
But you forgot that everything is seen through the Obama prism and Grandma is typical in his world. And his not allowing the media to speak with her is consistent with his Victorian view that women should be seen and not heard – unless they intend to praise him like his wife does…but now that I think about it… she’s been reassigned to “women’s shows” and fashion spots, hasn’t she?
I never got the impression that 0bama’s white grandparents were Communists.
It’s my understanding that 0bama grandfather and Davis were ‘drinking buddies.’ One of 0bama’s poems alludes to his grandfather’s drinking, so my guess is that his father had what we used to term, ‘a drinking problem,.’ known today as an alchoholic.
I get the impression that 0bama was introduced to Davis because the grandfather thought that Davis, being black, could serve as ethnic identification for the young Barack who had no black role models. It was Hawaii, after all. Not a significant AA community on the island.
I could be wrong, but I think the motives were innocent on the grandfather’s part. And he had no way of really knowing that Davis was, on top of everything else, a pedophile.
It seems as though his mother and grandparents were loners. And so far there are no friends or even relatives that can speak to their associations. Sure they could have been members of the Communist Party or certainly have had a passing interest. Of course, that doesn’t jibe with his grandmother’s employment at a bank. So I tend to feel that it was more his mother who was political. I’m sure after their daughter’s pregnancy from an African man, and bearing a biracial child, was no inducement for them to be particularly sociable. They seem as if they were alienated from the community to a large extent.
Someone on the other thread scoffed and scolded anyone advancing a ‘Manchurian Candidate’ theory. It’s popular dismiss people who buy into a conspiracy theory since the whole idea is that it’s a theory based on circumstancial evidence as opposed to hard factual evidence. But in most cases, such theories do have some bite.
In 0bama’s case, there seems to be too long a list of coincidental ties in his past:
Davis, a communist from Chicago, acquainted with Thomas Ayers, Bill Ayers’s dad; Ayers, alleged to have been hiding out in Hawaii when he was on the lam; Davis, mentor to a young 0bama, who went to Occidental College, coincidentally around the time Ayers was also in the area; 0bama transferring to Columbia University, while Ayers was doing graduate work at Bank Street College, only 4 blocks from Columbia; Ayers goes to Chicago, 0bama goes to Chicago; 0bama works with Ayers and kicks off one of his earlier campaigns at Ayers’ house.
Then 0bama’s past shrouded in mystery. No transcripts, and not being remembered by any students who were at Columbia at the same time.
Add to that the Birth Certificate issues, no medical records, tax returns, well, all of these things make it easy to buy into the idea that something’s up.
What’s that quote about coincidence?
“Once, happenstance, twice, coincidence, three times enemy in action.”
Don’t forget what Dohrn said about Sharon Tate. Never forget it.
I really don’t believe in retribution but those two people should not be free.
http://tinyurl.com/4o4fqw
Yes, we can see her and Ayers are fine upstanding citizens.
Its an open thread, so I think its ok…….
“Defense of Her Life’s Work: Dr. Lynette Long”
Two weeks ago I published an article on my blog entitled, “THE X FACTOR.” The article went viral and is posted on dozens of blogs. I have received over 1000 emails commenting on my position as a liberal Democrat voting for McCain-Palin. Most of the emails agreed with my position, but others called me Benedict Arnold, Lipstick Lady or Bill O’Reilly’s new squeeze. My loyalty to the progressive women’s movement has been challenged because I have chosen to try a different approach to fight for women’s rights. I want to start by squashing all rumors. No I am not stupid. No I am not a closet Republican. And yes I understand the possible implications on Roe v. Wade by supporting a McCain-Palin ticket.
A few days after posting the article I delivered a shortened version of the speech at a McCain-Palin Rally. An executive member of the National Organization for Women contacted me the very next day. It was a friendly conversation tinted with sarcasm. “How do you feel about your speech?” she asked me. “Great.” I responded. “Why shouldn’t I feel great? I gave a speech about women’s rights in front of a large audience. I highlighted the underrepresentation of women in every branch of government, the sexism in the media, and the unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton by the Democratic Party.” “Where did you give your speech?” A rhetorical question deserved a quip answer, “Before thirty-thousand Americans.” Republicans are Americans, aren’t they? “By speaking at a McCain-Palin event people will think you are endorsing McCain.” That’s the point, I am endorsing McCain-Palin.
I tried to explain to my comrade in arms that we have the same goals and that I stand on the same side of the issues with most other feminists. I am strongly pro-choice and will fight anyone who tries to interfere with a woman’s reproductive freedom. I believe in the economic and educational a dvancement of women. I believe in equal opportunity and equal pay for equal work. I believe in equal representation for women at all levels of government. I believe that only by achieving gender parity in the House, the Senate, the President’s cabinet and on the Supreme Court can women achieve real equality. The problem is not where we want to end up, but how we are going to get there.
I take offense that people think if I vote McCain-Palin that I am not a feminist. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I have worked an entire lifetime to further feminist causes. My first professional job was teaching remedial high school math to girls. I stared a web-based business called color Math Pink to promote math achievement for girls and I was selected by the American Girl company to write Mathsmarts, a math strategy book for girls. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I have researched sex-role stereotyping and gender issues and published dozens of articles in trade and professional journals including Working Mother, Essence, and Ms. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I have fought for the rights of women rights every single day of my life. I point out the dearth of photos of women in the New York Times to the lucky person who sits next to me on an airplane, the lack of pictures of women on money to the wait staff at a diner, and I have been in a decade long fight with the United States Post Office to put more pictures of women on postage stamps. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I coined the term “latchkey children” and defended the rights of women to work on national level. I have assisted numerous projects to improve the quality of childcare so that mothers could work and not worry about the safety of their children. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I am passionately pro-choice but I also think that it is not always a psychologically free choice. I have written a play which deals with the psychological complexities of abortion entitled, One in Two, which has been performed in New York, New Jersey, and Washington DC. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I have spent decades coaching women on how to achieve more power in their personal relationships and in the workplace. If I am anything, I am a feminist.
I am voting for McCain-Palin and I am a feminist. Many feminists can’t understand my choice. I am not betraying the cause, the fight, the mission, because I don’t want to vote Democratic. The Democratic Party is not our ally. The Democratic Party is 60% women but it has only once selected a woman as a vice-presidential candidate and that was nearly a quarter of a century ago. We are chattel in our own party. The head of the Democratic National Committee has never been 20a woman. Money donated to the Women’s Leadership Fund is funneled into the Obama Victory Fund. We cannot give dominion over our bodies or ourselves to one party. Current feminist groups have no teeth because they are part and parcel of the Democratic Party. They are held hostage by Roe v. Wade. They know it and the Democratic Party knows it. The only way to regain our power is to regain our vote. The Democratic Party has no reason to earn our vote. We’ve sacrificed one choice for another.
I will by not be held hostage by the Democratic Party that turned a blind eye to the corruption in the Democratic primaries and Democratic caucuses.
I will not be held hostage by the Democratic Party that ignored a woman who got 18 million votes.
I will not be held host age by the Democratic Party a party that was deaf, dumb and blind to the persistent and pervasive sexist attacks against Hillary Clinton.
I will not be held hostage by a Democratic Party that has never had a female head of the DNC.
I will not be threatened into submission.
I will not cast my vote based on fear. T
The Democratic Party cannot be rewarded for it’s pervasive disrespect of women. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet. Sometimes you have to tear down a house before you can rebuild it. Most feminists think the Democratic Party will treat them differently during the next election. There is no next time. There is only this time. Reinforcing abuse only perpetuates abuse. In any abusive relationship, you have to leave to get respect . Abusers are often charming and apologetic and hold out the hope of better behavior. But there is no then, there is only now.
I am a woman and I am a feminist. To the other feminists out there I ask, “Where is your pride or are you a victim of your own misogyny?”
I am a woman and right now I am ashamed to say, I am a feminist.
Yeah she’s good. But a link would have served better.
oops….sorry. next time, definitely a link.
http://www.lynettelong.com/my_weblog/2008/09/i-am-a-feminist.html
Great blog
Yes and thanks. This one’s been around. Glad you found it. Long is really cool! Cheers.
Thank-you Lynn. I had the privilege of listening to your speech at the McCain-Palin rally in Fairfax, VA. I stood there with my mother and my 21 year old daughter. I regretted not bringing my 10 yearold daughter too (she had a test that day)
Your words struck home to me. I was very proud of you putting Women and country ahead of party loyalty. I was thrilled to see a women stand int he face of the MSM and DNC and say you do not have my permission to abuse even 1 woman.
Hillary had 18,046,007 votes
Obama had 17,869,542 votes
To hell with NOW they have never helped me. Nor has NARAL. I am not a fan of abortion so I get kicked aside even though I am a woman and mother of women.
IF women will not support women we have no hope.
Sarah Palin is a good person who has made no attempt to cram her views down anyones throat. She isn’t perfect, no person is but I would take her over Obama any day. As will my 65 yearold retired military father and 85 yearold retired miner grandfather.
Indeed. That’s the key. She’s still human - as opposed to the puppet Obama and his fire breathing ogre Joe Biden who instead ought to start endorsing whisky brands.
As a bourbon drinker I must say that I would never consider a bottle of Barrack, an empty bottle with a price tag.
Zorro, you are not alone!
Shit! Are you sure? I can’t see anyone else here! The rest are all asleep! Where are the others hiding?
Cheers.
Benny — I totally agree. I have watched the party of Women’s rights trash women — first Hillary, then Sarah and now all women in an effort to keep up with the misognist Barack Obama. The betrayal of my party toward women is one which I will never forget because I am reminded daily with new attacks against Gov. Palin just how much the Democratic Party has used us. We must not mention Obama’s color however, its allowable to call the Governor of Alaska a whore. We must show the Democratic Party that this is not acceptable behavior by voting against them in huge numbers. 42% of Hillary Dems will not vote for Obama–I believe they will vote for McCain/Palin as will I because Dems have talked the talk all these years but when it comes to walking the walk it took McCain and the Republicans to finally put a woman on the ticket.
i sent a small check to mccain today.
What a powerful whole woman you are.
If ever women can feel vindicated and empowered, it is your very clear clarion call.
Thank you for your validation for women everywhere to be given your blessing to own their vote.
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
For those who are following the financial debacle, it would be absolutely clear that the Republicans are the ones behaving like adults. Senator Judd Gregg from NH just presented his views of the bill and the negotiations and was even handed and bipartisan and took questions and answered them substantively. he thanked Frank and Dodd by name. In contrast, the DEMS only patted themselves on the back and said nothing even about Sen Gregg who has been in the trenches with them hammering this out since day one. When one of the journalists asked him whether Obama was correct when he said that only he, Obama had made substantive contributions and that McCain had not added anything, he was completely diplomatic but firm, that the most helpful contributions that both candidates made was coming to DC on Thursday because it showed the American people that this was serious.
He also said that he could not account for what Obama had or had not contributed but that he understood that Obama had spoken to a lot of people; he could account for the fact that McCain had spoken to him and to the House leadership and had made lots of calls and was instrumental in bringing the House Republicans to the table.
House Minority Leader Boehner, whom I had previously disliked because I always thought that he was completely political was also gracious and straight when he spoke separately with a few other Rep House members. Boehner’s answer to Obama the only one to help said that he gave great credit to Sen McCain because if he hadnt’ been at the white house they “would have run over him.” When Boehner said that he had problems with the “Thursday agreement,” he said McCain stood up for him and said that Boehner’s position had to considered.
So there. Obama is a self-aggrandizing buffoon. If you are paying attention, you know that. If you are not paying attention as most of the American people aren’t then perhaps you buy his crap.
Ditto, I noticed exactly the same.
Here is what Obama says about himself, unf*ckingbelievable, and ABC just plays along.
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5906463&page=2
pushing provisions?
bush had to prod him back to dc out of florida
remember, “they’ll call me if they need me”…
puh
leez
He is fooling himself if he thinks he is making “new” friends. The Katrina comparison is intended for only one audience.
i think Obama is the most lucky guy I have ever seen. See what happened now. Things are going in his direction .. He has something magic. It seems in the debate, he connivence most people
Yea, that “something magic” is called millions of dollars in corporate contributions and the mainstream media shilling for him 24/7. He’s just a 47 yr. old guy with sunglasses and they think he’s Jack Kennedy. It’s all marketing–he’s an illusion protected by powerful forces who want to use him for their own agenda. The only reason he is in this position is because Bush has been such a disaster. It’s a reaction.
Yes, if Plastic Jesus does become president the lion’s share of the blame should fall on Chimperor Dubya, Darth Cheney, and the rest of the neocon/GOP gang of crooks and idiots.
Reminds me of Shelby Steele’s term (and he’s an African American writer), “The Magic Negro”. Would like to hear his latest take on Obama.
I wonder who is calling the plays for the Republican pr on this? The Dems appear to be incredibly self-serving and meanly partisan in their rhetoric about this bill—taking all credit and giving nothing to Republicans. While the Republicans seem to be statesmanlike in their pronouncements. Do you think Rove is calling the plays here and where are they headed with this? I also do not get the Obama/Paulson connection. Why is Paulson playing the fiddle for Obama? I would think that Paulson and Bush, once they get the bill passed ought to give support and credit to McCain.
What is happening on the Asia stock markets?
Didn’t Obama say he would keep Paulson on in his administration? I’d say it’s bribery.
all down between one quarter and 2%…China, Taiwan not open.
Paulson like any other Cabinet member will respond to calls from either candidate and particularly during this period when he is trying to get this bailout deal going.
also, former clinton secretary of treasury robert rubin is an obama adviser. rubin is a wall street insider just like paulson and both worked at Goldman Sachs. according to wikipedia, rubin was co-chairman and Chief Operating Officer of goldman sachs from 1987 to 1990.
Paulson “joined Goldman Sachs in 1974, working in the firm’s Chicago office. He became a partner in 1982. From 1983 until 1988, Paulson led the Investment Banking group for the Midwest Region, and became managing partner of the Chicago office in 1988. From 1990 to November 1994, he was co-head of Investment Banking, then, Chief Operating Officer from December 1994 to June 1998″ and CEO from 1998 to 2005, i think.
jrterrier — Thank you for that. I think there are a lot of people out there who understand that McCain put everything on the line to get a good bill and see the Republicans weren’t railroaded by a Democratic Bill laden with Pork. Obama is an overgrown kid who doesn’t understand that had this bill been passed with only Democratic support the American people would never have accepted it. Pelosi needed Republicans on board to give her cover and she called them unpatriotic–how dumb was that. She was playing to the media and the polls and that will cost her and the party.
magic some look at it as tragic…
BREAKING NEWS FROM AP
AP Investigation: Palin got zoning aid, gifts
Is this the best all those investigators could come up with? The article cocncudes that there was no wrongdoing, but the tarfet audience is obviously all those low info Obamabots that can’t read past a headline.
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080928/ap_on_el_pr/palin_ethics
A FACIAL?!! Well, that does it. She is corrupt to the core! Never mind Obama’s millions in corporate aid, that facial is really over the line!
a facial and flowers must have cost about $100 total combined.
$300,000 simultaneous purchase of the plot of land next to your house by a soon-to-be convicted and now cooperating witness Rezko in return for sending him and his companies hundreds of thousands of dollars of Illinois tax payer money.
yes, on the scale of MSNBC, i think obama gets an award and palin has to resign.
Can Michelle get one of those facials?
It’s going to take more than a facial to help Michelle.
Too late. Michelle’s face is permanently locked in a frown. Lost cause.
Michelle is facially challenged.
and sorry for the typos… i was banging on the keyboard
Are you kidding me that is it, well she really needs to drop put I sure as hell don’t want any VP getting fresh salmon from the fish shop and steaks from the butcher, nope she really has to go now!!!
Fresh salmon in a state overrun by salmon.
lock her up for eating fresh fish!
That thieving wench. How dare she!!!
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS RECEIVED BY BACROCK OBUYME FROM FREDDIE AND FANNIE.
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE THREE UNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR DISCOUNT BACRACKHEAD OBLOWME RECEIVED ON HIS SWEETHEART BONNERHEAD LAND DEAL.
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE MULTIPLE FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR TEN THOUSAND DOLLAR FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLAR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS BACROOM ORUBBERSTAMPCONTRACTBAMA RECIEVED FOR SETTING UP THE CHICAGO KITCHEN CABINET.
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE ONE HUNDRED SIXTY FIVE THOUSAND DOLLAR RAISE MICHELLE OBAMA RECIEVED FROM HER HOSPITAL WHEN BARRY GOT ELECTED AND STEERED MILLIONS IN EARMARK MONEY TO THE ORGANIZATION.
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAR HIDDEN SLUSH MONEY DIVERTED FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN TO ACORN UNDER THE NAME OF ANOTHER ORGANIZATION.
PALES IN COMPARISON TO THE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FROM JKFGDH AND DOODAD IN ILLEGAL CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST.
Facial? Flower? Salmon?
YOU HAVE TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME!
IS THIS THE BEST THEY CAN DO?
Main Stream Media Investigations…you could find more dirt sticking your thumb up your own ass.
Facial? Flower? Salmon?
Well I am so glad they wanted to spoil her!
Fortis going down like Kristol said it would!
Guardian: Fortis: Belgium acts to prevent financial group’s collapse
16.3 billion $$$$$ rescue of fortis by three countries
I am a couple years older than Obama and remember being terrified by the news of bombings happening in the US by homegrown terrorists. Unlike Obama I will never forgive, forget or dismiss what that trust fund prick and his friends did.
NYT Sept. 11, 2001
Between 1970 and 1974 the Weathermen took responsibility for 12 bombings, Mr. Ayers writes, and also helped spring Timothy Leary (sentenced on marijuana charges) from jail.
Today, Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn, 59, who is director of the Legal Clinic’s Children and Family Justice Center of Northwestern University, seem like typical baby boomers, caring for aging parents, suffering the empty-nest syndrome. Their son, Malik, 21, is at the University of California, San Diego; Zayd, 24, teaches at Boston University. They have also brought up Chesa Boudin, 21, the son of David Gilbert and Kathy Boudin, who are serving prison terms for a 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Rockland County, N.Y., that left four people dead. Last month, Ms. Boudin’s application for parole was rejected.
So, would Mr. Ayers do it all again, he is asked? ”I don’t want to discount the possibility,” he said.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4tb7wd
How many bombings does the U.S. government take credit for?
Well, the exact count isn’t known. Between 1965 and 1973, however, B-52s alone dropped over 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam. That’s 16 billion pounds of high explosive.
It staggers the imagination, doesn’t it?
are you fuc*ing kidding to compare the weathermen bombings to the US armed forces. i think this is one of those times when the term fuc*ing is a term of art and not prohibited by the terms of use.
i guess by your logic, the oklahoma city bombings and the 9/11 attacks can also be compared to the american military bombings?
rev wright, is that you or are you one of his disciples? oh, perhaps obama thinks he won already so he has a few moments to blog
As a general rule, I disapprove of blowing people up. The innocent dead don’t much care about the motives or rationalizations of the people who have killed them. More often than not, they never even know about them.
John F Kennedy took us to Vietnam. And everyone says he is a great president.
Kennedy took us from advising to direct fighting. He escalated our involvement.
A Democrat dropped the A-Bomb.
Lunatic, what is your crusade? Do you realize that the Vietnamese have normalized relations with the US and continue to pressure for greater US investments in Vietnam? So if the Vietnamese understand what ‘war’ means, why do you self righteously equate war with terrorism? You prove nothing other than you are an extreme left anti-American, I know this position very, very well.
Yes, they have. It’s a shame we couldn’t get to that point without the death of 2 million people. I was a participant in that particular crusade.
War and terrorism really aren’t so different as we would like to think. They’re much alike when the events are examined close up. This is a hard to contemplate, but it’s a good thing to think about. We should always realize what we become morally responsible for when we undertake a war. That should always be a part of our deliberations.
I don’t believe there’s anything un-American about thinking this way.
Fact Check. Democrats were in power when we went to war with vietnam.
Fact Check, 16 Billion Pales in comparison to the SEVEN HUNDRED BILLION needed to pail out the crap created by Jimmy, Deregulated by Bill, fought against by bush and McCain, and covered up by party line votes from democrats and enabled by Frank and Dodd.
Lets remember, you can run from your shit but you cant hide from it.
Q.E.D.
I didn’t say they weren’t. Eisenhower took the first steps. Kennedy went further. Johnson further still. Then it became Nixon’s war.
Your theory on the evolution of our economic situation seems oddly assbackard, however. Republicans have been the main proponents of deregulation since Reagan took office. They went at it with an almost religious fervor. They methodically deregulated the hell out of everything, assuming the free market would sort things out for the best.
Apparently they forgot about pirates.
Democrats deregulated Fannie and Freddie.
And Democrats have consistantly avoided allowing any type of oversight being implemented even though Republicans have tried for years.
Because Fannie and Freddie are essentially Democrat Slush Funds.
Your the one being ass backwards claiming the republicans are responsible because they promoted deregulation. THe fact remains its the Democrats who created this crisis.
Sorry. Truth hurts.
Who was it that kept forcing interest rates lower and lower to artifically stimulate the economy and push up the stock market?
That’s what made all of those very low initial rates with Adjustable Rate Mortgates possible.
That’s what created the housing market bubble, deluding buyers into the belief that rapidly rising home values increase their equity, allowing them to refinance later.
And when exactly was it that the democrats deregulated Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Apparently I missed that piece of legislation.
As I understand it, the current crisis stems from shady Wall Street investment and loan practices, where high-risk loans were bundled with good loans into financial instruments that were resold to banks, insurance companies, and other investment concerns.
We know perfectly well who it was that actually deregulated those industries. We know the legislation. It was the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act, that nearly every democrat in the senate voted against.
its not the pushing of interest rates lower that was the problem. it was the variable rate mortgages that people with a downpayment and good credit would never have taken but people with mediocre credit and no down payment took from predatory lenders.
get a grip. Here a history lesson for you:
Gramm-Leach-Bliley
The final bill was passed in the Senate 90-8-1 and in the House: 362-57-15. This ‘veto proof legislation’ was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999[1]
Not sure where you pull your information from other than perhaps your or nancy Pelosi’s or Barney Frank’s ass, but i dont recall ever in history where the democrats numbered only 9 in the senate and 72 in the hourse. Stop rellying on Kamp Koolaid for your information.
Bill CLinton SIgned it too. incase you missed that.
Seriously where do this morons come from? And what makes them think they can debate squat…oh thats right they claimed Obama won the debate becoase the MSNBC poll had 80% outside of US respondents.
what a twit.
Interesting.
So you’re blaming the 2008 financial crisis on what the democrats did from 1938 to 1970, and on President Clinton for signing a 1999 deregulation bill that had such overwhelming republican support that it was veto-proof legislation.
I can certainly see how this leads directly to the conclusion that the entire mess is Barack Obama’s fault.
Leave it to a guy named cynic to strip the argument of all nuance and use it as a club to beat his “they just want to blame democrats” drum with.
Helping the Little guy is the hope.
Helping themselves to slush funds and kickbacks is the change.
Hows that for burning away the minutia in the harsh crucible of simplicity work for you?
Pocket Change you can believe in.
again, you have your facts wrong. we are going to send your name to the Missouri prosecutors for spreading false information.
The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act was passed overwhelmingly with bipartisan support. 90-8 in the Senate and 362 - 57 in the House. Sen McCain did not vote for it.
On the other hand, multiple times since then DEMS have opposed regulation of the practices of Fannie & Freddie. And as recently as 2006, Sen McCain co-sponsored a bill S-190 directly to regulate Frannie and Freddie after Raines testified to the problems at Fannie & Freddie. This is what he said:
Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae’s regulator reported that the company’s quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were “illusions deliberately and systematically created” by the company’s senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight’s report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae’s former chief executive officer, OFHEO’s report shows that over half of Mr. Raines’ compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator’s examination of the company’s accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO’s report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO’s report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
Go look up who passed the 1977 C.R.Act. Start there. Then look into how organizations like ACORN who NOW decry “predatory” lending are in fact the people who helped to create the sub-prime mess by extorting banks to take on high risk loans. It wasn’t “predatory” lending. It was ACORN, a group that is supposed to be helping the less fortunate, who used those very people to LINE THEIR POCKETS.
ohh and let’s not forget that JFK broke the Geneva convention as well. This was an interesting little fact I learned. Not that it makes me like George W. but hey since we are slinging mud let’s be fair.
were Bill and Bernardine in New York assisting with Boudin’s application
for parole last month?
are their names on her parole application?
if so, they are continuing to help the bomber, not just her child.
Anyone notice the kids’ names? Arabic. Hmmmm. Now, who do I recall being Arabic? obama? auchi? sheik bin al talwid? (sp) Percy Sutton? Don Warden? Louis Farakhan? syrian antonin Rezko?
just sayin’.
“I have found the paradox that if you love until it hurts …” Mother Teresa
“I have a dream …” MLK, Jr.
“I have no wealth to bestow on him, only my friendship … ” Henry David Thoreau
“I have no color prejudices, or caste prejudices, nor creed prejudices …” Mark Twain
“I have a bracelet, too … ” Barack Obama
lol! That’s great.
Ouch!
That’s funny!! ROFLMAO
poignant!
Larry: you posted recently about the formula the Republicans will use to evaluate the need for 527’s. We are almost into October. Why is it so quiet? Surely, they are not afraid of Claire McCaskill. I want to see some fireworks.
Kristol’s Latest (NYT Op-Ed)
How old was Barack Obama on March 6, 1970?
Answer: 9 years old
Bill Ayers should be in jail, IMO. He’s a bad seed. But I ask again…what do his actions in the late 60’s have to do with Obama 40 years later? So far the only concrete associations I see are the following:
1. Ayers held a meet and greet for Obama in 1997.
2. Ayers donated $200 to his campaign in 1999.
3. Ayers and Obama served for two years together on the a 12 person Woods Foundation board (along with corporate VP’s of UBS and BP, and even a few Republicans).
Pretty thin gruel. Bush Sr. was meeting with Osama bin Laden’s brother on 9/11…does that make Bush 41 a terrorist? Bill Clinton was friends with Chinese businessmen who were selling secrets to the Communists. Should Clinton be tried for associating with the enemy?
The truth is when you are a politican, you cross paths with unsavory characters from time to time. Most people realize this, which is why this story like Rezko, has never stuck to Obama. The only relationship that has damaged him is Wright because that was a long, personal relationship.
But maybe you’ll get lucky and Larry’s buddies will release the whitey tape!
Funniest thing I’ve read tonight, Francis! Poor poor barky - he just happens to “cross paths” with murderers and traitors and criminals “from time to time,” eh? And then “just happens” to have 20-year relationships with them.
Poor guy - he’s so misunderstood….
Francis you twit. Barry served on three THREE boards with Ayers. And was hand picked by Ayers to run the annenberg challange that swindled 160 million dollars out of the hands of donors and into the hands of their radical leftist friends.
End Result? No change in quality of eduction. But 160 million missing!
Francis, please do me a favor. Tell camp koolaid to give you talking pooints that address the actual issues.
ANd don’t come back till you find the preganancy suit you fuckwit.
$160 mill, and Obama still had to get a payout from Rezko to buy his mansion.
Obama can’t even account for his payola. How can he run the US budget?
Seriously Francis, that’s the stupidest piece of work from you to date. That is so lame that it is teenager reasoning and certainly not the work of a fully functional adult.
Nanny Nanny Boo Boo!
Seriously, it not even fit for the playground.
BWAAAHAAAAAHAAAA!!
francis is a high-functioning hydrocephalic.
Bless its soul, it can type!
Jeremiah,
I think tonight I’ll award you the “Got rid of Francis” award as your last question to him was unanswered (as usual.)
Don Pardo, what do we have for him?
A bottle of “Troll-Off” and an autographed copy of “Michelle Obama’s Favorite Poison Apple Recipes”
Thanks for playing!
nah he is still here…he is just stumped by my Quiz. (see below)
The twit is probably asking his handlers at Camp Gaza for Obama what talking points to use to answer those questions even though i give him the correct answers right after the questions.
It has to do with principles. This isn’t the first or only shady character Obama hangs around with. This means that these kind of people don’t bother him. In fact, he befriends them. If he’s on the side of the terrorists, who’s gonna be on the side of the American people? Wake up! Ayers is unrepenting. Because of that, it doesn’t matter what age Obama was.
Ayers never renounced his ideological objectives. Obama embraced those same objectives (see Alinsky, Davis, etc. -his mentors). It isn’t the one person. Rather, it is the common thread that runs through all of his “associations”: an ideology that seeks to undermine the principles upon which America (that nation that Obama’s Reverend of TWENTY years so disdains) is founded.
As for Ayers and Obama just being associates, Obama said that Ayers was just some guy who lived down the street. That has proved to be an out an out LIE. In fact, Obama is a serial prevaricator as his actions continue to confirm. Let us start with public finance and Fisa.
It’s not that Obama has crossed “paths with unsavory characters from time to time”, but that he CONSISTENTLY crosses paths with them. he wants us to vote for him because of his good “judgement”, and yet he CHOOSES to associate with these people?!?!?
The troubling aspect of all this is NOT that Obama is the nominee per se. Rather, it is that half of the American population if not more believes him a viable candidate, and especially in the up and coming.
Obama is a ZERO.
FRANCIS THE FLUNKIES FACT FINDING FACTCHECK FACTOIDS QUIZ
Haha! Great comeback Jeremiah!
no, Ayers and NObama lived on the same block when NO allegedly went to NYC to Columbia. That’s the murky time period that NO forgets… Thomas Ayers was in the picture then too. Some of this is from his alleged room mate, Sayed. Some of this I read in a POCKEESTANI newspaper.
ah crap thats right…!!!
Francis: why don’t you think, you know, occassionally?
Let me ask you: would you befriend Ayers now? Would you accept a job from him now?
would you work on his project now ?
Your argument just as Obama is so idiotic that it is not worth the blog space it occupies.
How old was Barky when his friend, Ayers, had his picture taken while standing on our flag? That photo doesn’t look to have been taken to long ago to me.
And how could you have read that description of the carnage that bombing caused and come in here with your smarty pants post? I was an adult when that bombing happened, but I must admit, I’d forgotten the human toll it took. This wasn’t some crazy from Arabia doing this. These folks were home grown and killing their fellow citizens. And Obama wants to lock up people who have the nerve to SAY anything negative about him?
Somehow, I think our priorities just don’t mesh, fellow.
Troll
$ 50 McCain/Palin
COUNTRY FIRST!!!
How do you know this? Have you seen his real birth certificate?
i guess obama must be advising the Egyptian government:
oh, look, Obama must be advising the Egyptian government.
By SARAH EL DEEB,Associated Press Writer AP - Monday, September 29
CAIRO, Egypt -
An Egyptian appeals court on Sunday upheld a guilty verdict against a newspaper editor who wrote stories questioning the president’s health and sentenced him to two months imprisonment.
Ibrahim Eissa, editor of the independent daily al-Dustor, was originally convicted in March and sentenced to six months on charges of reporting and publishing false information that questioned the health of 80-year-old President Hosni Mubarak. The judges at the time ruled that a series of articles he published threatened national stability and caused foreign investors to pull their money out of the country.
Mubarak has been in office for more than a quarter of a century and has no obvious successor, making any speculation about his health a very sensitive topic.
State Security prosecutors appealed the original sentence, arguing it was too light. But on Sunday, the appellate court instead reduced it to two months.
The verdict has been condemned by local and international rights groups, who describe it as part of an ongoing curtailment of freedom of expression in Egypt.
Eissa said he planned to turn himself in and serve his sentence.
“This sentence opens the gates of hell for the Egyptian press,” he said in a telephone interview.
“Jail sentences for journalists have now become normal, a reality,” Eissa said. “The verdict is dangerous for political life in Egypt. It says it is prohibited to speak about the president. It says political reform is an illusion.”
Eissa has in the past run into legal trouble with the Egyptian government. His newspaper is sharply critical of the regime and often breaks political, social and religious taboos.
The government closed it in 1998 for seven years after it published a statement by an Islamist group threatening Coptic Christian businessmen in Egypt. Eissa was convicted in 2006 for libeling Mubarak but only paid a fine.
once again, corpmedia immediately manages to get the right answer from Mrs. Jopek:
Soldier’s mom defends Obama’s mention of bracelet
By DINESH RAMDE , Associated Press
After Tracy Jopek gave Sen. Barack Obama a bracelet in honor of her son who was killed in Iraq, she asked Obama not to mention the bracelet on the campaign trail.
But Jopek told The Associated Press on Sunday that she’s satisfied with how Obama discussed it during last week’s presidential debate…
http://www.startribune.com/local/29863889.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUl
but they can never follow up on birth cert, larry sinclair, etc etc etc. shame.
I am sure that the Obama thugs pressured and bullied her to make a statement, just as they bullied the delegates to vote for Obama at the convention.
I would not be pleased that it was apparent that Obama did not know my son’s name. That would have hurt my heart, because he showed that he did not really care about my son. His name should have been seared into his brain if he was a compassionate person that cared about others.
Some Obama papers found and posted by Judicial Watch
http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2008/sep/documents-uncovered-judicial-watch-shed-light-barack-and-michelle-obamas-chicago-conne
This article is over a year old, but it comes from the University of Chicago student newspaper. (The same U of C where the hospital is also located, and for which MO works.) I think NQ readers will enjoy reading it. If I were independently wealthy, I would park myself outside and start reporting on this Habitat Company that the other half of Barack’s brain (AKA Valerie Jarrett) runs.
Anyway, looks like these poor folks—who lost a three year old child to a rusty gate that fell and crushed him to death–could use a community organizer.
Think BHO could be recruited to go up against the other half of his brain? http://www.chicagomaroon.com/2007/4/17/grove-parc-residents-wary-of-university-intrusion
Here is a related video. http://roadsassy.com/2008/07/03/the-obama-touch-poverty-thrives/
now there’s an outfit not to mess with. judicial watch is relentless. they will get to the bottom of this.
just checked further and found:
conservablogs: Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son’s Bracelet… He STILL Does?
But, we have another little mystery with these AP reports. The original headline for this report was “Soldier’s mother ‘ecstatic’ about Obama’s bracelet,” released at about 7PM the evening of the 28th. But a few hours later, the AP changed it to “Soldier’s mom defends Obama’s mention of bracelet.”
Apparently, Jopek’s mother did NOT say she was “ecstatic” about Obama continuing to use her son’s name on the campaign trail even after she told him to stop. The AP had to change its headline to reflect the truth.
The fact remains, the woman has repeated that she asked Obama not to mention her son on the campaign trail and this AP report confirms that. Will Obama stop using her son, now that we are sure she said she wanted him to stop?
http://conservablogs.com/publiusforum/2008/09/28/family-told-obama-not-to-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-he-still-does/
You know i don’t care what the AP or Mummy dearest said. It was quite obvious that the father of this young man didn’t wont’ obama reinserting his son name, to help obama get elected. Children have two parents. And just cause MOmmy is a Koolaid drinker doesn’t mean daddy is too. And he has the right to have his wishes regarding his son, respected by obama as well. So until daddy signs of on it, which i doubt he will, obama is on my bad list. Has every one forgotten how Tubbs-Jones funeral was made all about obama as well? This man has a history of doing what he damn well pleases screw what anyone else thinks
Hell they got on the clintons for pimping their own damn daughter, but obama gets to do it to other peoples kids and gets a free pass. our media is such a fracken joke. Nutered by a jerk off.
Obama is going to Pimp the entire country if he gets elected.
One dead soldier? Not his Problem.
The mother gave Obama the bracelet. The mother says she approves of Obama’s mention of it during the debate in response to McCain’s comment, and that she approves the rest of what Obama said. She also says that her ex-husband misspoke on her behalf.
Where’s the criticism of John McCain for scoring political points with the bracelet he wears? It was McCain who brought the whole thing up, wasn’t it?
Unfortunately,
1) The Father doesnt want him doing it. 2 Parents not one.
2) Barack couldnt even rember the guys name without um uh um ing and looking at the bracelet to read the name.
3) It was incredibly stupid for him to do the Me Too on this and showed him to be a phoney opportunist.
Almost as stupid and disingenuous os the Me Too about joining the military but there were no wars bullshit he gave to Stephenopolis after the republican convention.
We see people like that every day at corproate jobs, people who ride on other peoples accomplishements take credit for others work and try to gain empathy for themselves by chameleoning other peoples true life experiences.
Face it Obama is a fucking fraud.
He will say anything, do anything, lie about anything, change his position on anything, take credit for anything, deny blame for anything, pass the buch for everything, to get elected.
Its unfortunate that Main Stream Media is so in the tank and so invested in fucking this coutnry over to be able to publish their pre-written pulitzer prize winning pieces on how transformative a vote for a black man is that they will screw america to get there.
If you are so stupid that you would vote for this type of person, thats your right as an american. You have the right to be a total bafoon and sell your country down the river.
And we have the right to stand in your way and say HELL NO! NOT WHILE I DRAW BREATH AND CAN VOTE!
Opinions vary.
It astonishes me that after the republican train wreck of the past 8 years, anyone would consider voting for another 4 years of the same policies.
“It astonishes me that after the republican train wreck of the past 8 years, anyone would consider voting for another 4 years of the same policies.”
Yes, I agree. Bush and Obama share much in common. It’s a wonder why anyone would vote for Obama.
That’s an absurd statement. It’s a total reversal of reality. Just check McCain’s voting record and compare it with Bush’s positions. Then check McCain’s policy proposals and compare them with Bush policy over the past 8 years.
McCain and Bush are nearly identical. They hold the same positions on both foreign and domestic policy. They’re both advocates of the same failed economic policies. They both tell the working and middle classes whatever they want to hear, while favoring the wealthy at every opportunity.
but voting for Barack Obama is exactly like voting for George W Bush.
Of the two men running, only McCain is qualified enough and experienced enough and wise enough not to be the chimp handled by the regime.
Barack Obama is George W Bush.
After 8 years of that mess it disgusts me that the Democratic Party would put forth the carbon Copy of Flip Flop liar George Bush with a tan as their candidate.
I guess they figure everyone gets a turn to have a total fucktard as president from their party and sind Bush was the republicans. obama will be the democrats version.
Sorry i just dont think the country can handle 4 more years of that kind of mismanagement.
Thats why i am voting for John McCain.
not true. if you were in MO, you might be subject to arrest.
she said her exhusband was accurate in his report that she asked obama not to use her son’s name in campaign speeches. she just supports obama and doesn’t want to make waves.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/bracelet-wars.html
Will he be able to remember the sons name now?
I’m glad you reported on the Fort Dix plot. I’ve been trying to expose this for a while.
Also, don’t forget that Ayers and Dohrn were involved in the bombing of a police station in which one person was killed. Ayers planned it and Dohrn planted the bomb. This was revealed in testimony from an undercover officer who infiltrated their group.
Dohrn was convicted and sent to prison (in relation to the Brink’s holdup in which her compadres murdered two police officers and a Brink’s guard) in 1982. The false IDs used by the murderers were traced to a business Dohrn managed.
Dorn was convicted for refusing to testify, saying that she did not believe in Grand Juries (she teaches law at an Illinois university).
Last night, I watched a 25 minute video of a speech given in late 2007 given by Dohrn and Ayers. In it, Dohrn states that she does not believe in capitalism. Ayers calls himself a communist and an anarchist.
October surprise? Rezko sings?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-flip28sep28,0,5691387.story
There will be more than one october surprise.
Bet the house on it.
Look, the chances Rezko is going to put a finger on Obama are almost nil. He would not survive in prison more than 10 seconds and it would never be known if he was handled by a criminal behind bars or a cop. Even if the Feds put him in the federal witness protection program chances are not much better that he would go after Obama—that path for him is perilous and uncertain at best. If Rezko sings it will be for a different choir. Since Daley wants to put his brother in as mayor it makes sense that Rezko would put the present gov. in jail to make room for the mayor’s bro’.
This is an important point. It could be dealt with however.
1. Isolation.
2. Showing the blacks in prison and elsewhere Obama is a traitor.
I think you mean Daley wants his bro as governor?
Unless he gives video recorded depositions before witnesses.
You think they will let him go back to general before he sings once he agrees?
Get Real.
he is dealing with a fearless prosecutor who took down scooter libby. he won’t be able to brind down bogdanobich, the gov is he lies about obama not being involved.
he doesn’t have to do a day in prison if the feds don’t want him to.
or may it will be the gov who will rat out obama once he himself is fingered.
CB,
I love it! Rezko’s been my pony from the start. My friends both here and out there all have their bets down on one thing or another to be the doomsayer for Barry but I’ve stuck with my boy Tony and now it may pay off!
If Tony stays alive and keeps singing, Barry and his Fellow Travelers will tumble. A piece of very good news!
If Rezko was counting on a pardon from Barky, I’m sure he’s peeked under that BarkyBus and reconsidered whether he should cover his own butt.
I thought Larry’s article was very sobering. My father and uncles fought in WWII, the Pacific Theater. They managed to come back. Had my father not come back I wouldn’t be sitting typing this–I was born during the baby boom of the early 50s. But my father and uncles never forgot what they saw or did there. My Dad rarely spoke of the war years, but he teared up, sometimes cried like a baby every 4th of July.
If any of us forget what those men sacrificed or any of our military men and women have given up–their youth, their blood, often their very lives–we do it at our own peril. They deserve our respect and absolute gratitude.
How much easier it is to set a bomb on unsuspecting citizens, then stand and watch the mayhem, and later still declare yourself a hero. Or offer empty words in the place of true accomplishment.
There are people who talk and behave like cowards, and then there are people walk the walk.
This election season has made that crystal clear.
McCain ‘08
To watch Obama just toss the rose at the 9/11 ceremony while McCain gently placed his upon the others said it all. Obama sees America as worthy of contempt.
He has no idea what the word sacrifice means.
Shit!
My best to you and your family.
McCain needs to take Kristol’s advice and he needs to put forward a strong economic message—we have become an economy that is solely based upon consumption and fueled by credit. There are no incentives for saving and thousands of messages about spending and charging it. Howard Wolfson said the other day on Fox that they got nowhere with the message of experience and competence. Hillary started catching up and moving ahead when she started pounding on economic issues. I think that is where McCain has to go and this bailout bill is a perfect opening. He also needs to hit back hard on Obama’s economic leadership—he has none and he has some real bad lemons in his basket—the Acorn relationship, the Biden bankruptcy bill—the nation gets the idea now on Acorn and McCain needs to move in; he needs to wrap the Dems in responsibility for this economic crisis. He needs to make an economic deal/bill with HRC.
McCain needs to take Kristol’s advice and take his pitbull off the leash. I’m reminded of a line Ken Takakura delivers to Michael Douglas in Black Rain.
There are markets and economies. And there are times.
There is a time to panic.
There is a time to reflect.
Bots included.
Reflect.
What have you done to protect me?
There was a time I was in the U.S. Air Force.
There was a time that Larry was in the CIA.
There was a time that McCain was in the Navy.
There was a time that was respected.
Please, obots, when you visit here, respect those of us who at least tried to protect your right to say what you want to say.
Be nice.
Larry, in his last post, told us about his emotional visit to a place many will never understand. Why does France honor our young men? If you are a student of history you will understand.
Our unfortunate willingness to use force secured their freedom.
They, many foreign countries, honor our sacrifices. So should we.
That is my statement to bots tonight. So it is said. So let it be written.
Because there is so much in common with the nations. Not just opposition to Hitler and Hitler types. There’s liberte fraternite egalite and there’s the fact oft forgot in the era of freedom fries that the statue in NY harbour comes from France.
That’s why. Noble people both!
Independent: McCain vs Obama: All square
LA Times: Obama 49% to 44%
Isn’t that an improvement for McCain?
Independent: Round one of the verbal sparring is declared a draw
People sure are stupid. Most of them on ethical grounds shouldn’t have the right to vote. All voters have a duty to be well informed but they can vote anyway. And most just don’t fucking care. That’s where the likes of Axelrod move in. Crime.
ELEKSHUNZ R SERIOUS BUSINESS
All of us have been talking about the absence of Republican, conservative 527’s and even McCain attacks on Obama. Is it possible that McCain and the RNC, maybe even the 527’s have a money problem?
nope. they have more money than the DNC. i think it’s been proven that the best ads are those that run at the last minute when there is not time to rebut.
last two weeks of october its going to be insane. just wait and see.
jeremiah — you got that right. Its going to make me crazy. I just hope The Cubs are are in The World Series to take my mind off it.
jangles — no the NRA is putting 40 Million into attack ads against Obama. And there are many more Republican groups which will launch attack ads. 38 days is a long time in Politics. In order to get the biggest bang for the buck you need to release these ads a couple of weeks before the election. Then voters will remember.
The most brutal hits will come very close to the election. People have short attention spans.
Seems Joe Biden has his own Tony Rezko house fairy:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/34116.html
So far it looks like Asia knows the bailout isn’t going to help the economy, domestic or international. I hope that enough politicians in Congress recognizes this too.
It came to my attention that in April before Governor Palin gave birth to Trig she was asked to participate in a documentary film about Extraodinary Women.
For 3 days she was followed around her home and office by the cameras. Much of the footage has been seen on Fox and CNN.
How is it that at FRENCH documentary film maker knows of Sarah Palin as an Extraordinary Woman and the DNC and MSM did not???
Get some perspective folks–Palin made an impact big enough to be known outside our nation as a Governor.
Most Americans can’t name the governor of their own state. I’m just sayin.
Simple answer: Main Stream Media is Not Interested in the News or investigative journalism that doesnt serve their left wing agenda.
Amen. You said a mouthful!
So Fox news and Wall St Journal are not MSM? Which MSM company is owned by a liberal?
ABC, NBC, and CBS
I was mistaken. The film maker is Israeli. Here is a link:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3591532,00.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ2DXN3aOSo
Why isn’t this on the front page of every paper in America?
Because it wont help Barack Obama get elected.
This needs to be a political ad.
I sure hope you are right about those last two weeks in October.
Chicago Joe — the back story on this is that Obama’s attorneys went to the Justice Department to try to stop the 527 ads and they were rebuffed. They fear these ads as they should because they have a lot to hide. So they are taking on these ads in Missouri. I don’t know how many prosecutors are involved in this but it will go nowhere because its against the law. However, this could be used as a pilot program to stop future attacks against Obama should he become president. This very thing is going on in Canada right now. Check out THE TYRANNY OF NICE. They are prosecuting anyone who says anything against the left. Everyone should be aware of this–Obama is one scary dude who if he gets the Presidency is not going to give it up any time soon.
mcpalin hill,
If you can look past the partisan aspect, read the following article concerning the Fairness Doctrine and look who is pushing it.
http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/Killing-talk-radio-3884
In Missouri Obama is enlisting law enforcement to be the arbiters of what is “true.” So who will be the arbiters of what is “fair”?
If you haven’t, look up Libel Tourism. That is part of what is going down in Canada and in the UK, and it has global reach it seems. Libel Tourism is terrifying if you are concerned with freedom of the press, and freedom. period.
A vote AGIANST Obama is a vote FOR freedom.
i just want to say that we are rag tag group of people, lots of former life-long DEMs, and Hillary supporters. i’m glad you are here.
Yes we are! We need to continue to support each other because regardless who gets elected in November, this country is in for a rough time politically.
jrterrier — And I hope there are many Republicans here as well.
Interesting further info on association of Obama and the Ayers family:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/comment/reply/8400/9755
I still can’t believe we have a candidate like Obama
7 years after Alqueda hit us..
Check this video..
http://theamericansentinel.com/2008/09/28/sorry-barry-but-we-dont-live-in-missouri/
PROOF THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE SOCIALISTS:
Another group associated with the SI is the Party of European Socialists (PES), which heard from Howard Dean, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, back in 2006. Dean’s speech is posted on the official Democratic Party website, although the European socialist parties are referred to as “progressive.” Democrats, Dean said, want to be “good citizens of the world community.” He spoke at a session on “Global Challenges for Progressive Politics.”
Following up, in April 2007, PES President Poul Nyrup Rasmussen reported that European socialists held a meeting “in the Democrats HQ in Washington,” met with officials of the party and Democratic members of Congress, and agreed that “PES activist groups” in various U.S. cities would start working together. The photos of the trip show Rasmussen meeting with such figures as Senator Ben Cardin, Senator Bernie Sanders, officials of the Brookings Institution, Howard Dean, and AFL-CIO President John W. Sweeney, a member of the DSA. The Brookings Institution is headed by former Clinton State Department official Strobe Talbott, a proponent of world government who was recently identified in the book Comrade J as having been a pawn of the Russian intelligence service.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-international-socialist-connections/
You may want these photos Suasn
http://webcast-pes.all2all.org/index.php/galleries/view/35/en
Can the media aid and abet Obama in his lies anymore than this?
abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=5906463&page=2
Glad there is a record of Obama trying to own this bailout plan.
yeah right?
Good point…LOL
I hope the Republican Party recorded this and other similar claims of ownership.
Of course the sonofabitch will take credit, and the media will accept it without question. While I have no doubt that he talked with his minions, I also have no doubt that McCain’s move shone the spotlight and enabled house republicans to get rid of the ACORN provision and others. Boehner said so tonight, that they would have been run over completely if McCain had not been there.
Today I realized that the pols backing him are the same as the paid trolls. On Chris Wallace today John Kerry (Dumbass-MA) “hijacked the thread” by spewing BO campaign garbage instead of addressing the subject (economy/bailout). Exactly what we see here, but by an elected official on the teevee.
I hope I’m right in believing that voters are smarter than Obamalanders give them credit for. McCain whups BOs ass, and he’s over-forever.
If you need a laugh re the bailout:
http://www.buymyshitpile.com/node/3354
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2008/09/excerpt-tyranny.html
Check out the above. This is whats going on in Canada. A writer calls it THE TYRANNY OF NICE. People are being prosecuted and going to jail for speaking against the rightwing. Now Obama appears to have a pilot program in Missouri to try to do the same thing. What’s going on in Missouri seems a bit silly right now but imagine if it were happening to Hannity or Rush or any one of us. This must be stopped.
Democracy is the best form of Government if we can keep it.
they’ve obviously lost their bearings.
Hate to break it to you Republican whiners, but those radical socailist programs of the New Deal are the only things holding the economy together after the trickle away plunder of right wing economic policies.
Let’s see how many of you want to abolish FDIC, would save some money…reduce gov’t….anybody? No takers? Ok, how about the SEC…no…no takers? hmmm…how about 40 hr work week, benefits, etc….you are all giving those up?
Ok, how about we just go ahead and privatize the military, it’s darn near a socialist ogranization itself…gov’t pay, gov’t healthcare, gov’t housing…and the same job in the private sector (working for Blackwater) pays 3 times as much…
Government itself is a form of socailism, get over it. Unless you want to move to Somalia.
Proof of why you should never drink and post.
Grant you the first paragraph, but the second paragraph..stupid. The third paragraph, even more stupid still.
That’s because the 1st paragraph was written after the 1st shot.
The 2nd after the 2nd shot..
The 3rd after the….well, you get my point.
Cuba is closer, which means you need to leave. B-bye. Hell how about picking one of the many south American dictatorships, right here in our own hemisphere. I mean you are the ones that want to chuck your constitutional rights on a cheat with the intials BO why should we get over it, when you just can get out.
I can’t believe 7 years after 9-11 we still haven’t obliterated Osama Bin Laden.
We have the best trained, best equipped military the world has ever seen, along with the righteous cause (for a few years anyway)….and Bush still can’t get the job done.
And all you Republicans can complain about is some leftwing wannabe terroist Ayers….and Bush can’t even put him in jail !!! After turning the Dept of Justice into crony land….HAH….you Republicans just can’t smoke ‘em out can you….even when you know where they live.
Exhibit #2 of why you should never drink and post….
I have news for you idiot
Osama is probably dead..Been dead for many years!
Back in 2001 Osama had kidney problems and needed Kidney dialysis. Osama even proclaimed that he was to live only two more years
Take the fact that Osama is 6′6″ and needs a machine 24/7 to stay alive seems to tell me that he is either dead or in the basement of some palace in Saudi Arabia. Osama escaped Tora Bora and never looked back. One thing is for sure Osama isn’t in some cave. Obama doesn’t understand that we need to have a secure and pro western Iraq.
Obama would rather play Keystone cop and go off into Pakistan to chase ghosts.
oh, so what idiot spent $10 billion only to get played by a muslim military dictator to ostensibly flush out Osama? With allies like those who needs Osama…
I thought socialists like you didnt believe in the death penalty.
Wouldnt you rather have Osama Bin Laden Rehabilitated and brought to chicago to teach our children at our universities like Bill Ayers?
That way Barry can get a photo op with him.
Maybe they can wear matching turbans…
Paragraph one and two, naive. Paragraph three, asshole.
This from some one who has been a card carrying Euro socialist……who believe in democracy not in thieves draped in a red rose.
So you admit Ayers is a left-wing terrorist.
I said “wannabe”, real enemies of the state sell weapons to Iran.
Iran used to be our ally…
…before the Carter administration fucked it up and had the CIA destabalize the Shah and prop up Khomeini as a threat to Reza Palavi if he didnt reign in oil prices with opec…
…Unfortunately it got out of control, Khomeini came to power and then Carter allowed Palavi to enter the US for cancer treatment…
…which led to the Fuckwit youth of iran who were fooled into thinking that covering women in sheets and cutting off hands and feet for dancing in public was better than western society and who were riled up in their youthful ignorance by lies fed to them by fascists in the service of the Lets take away the Peoples Rights Mullahs, took the Americans hostage at the embassy…
…which turned out to be Another out of the park home-run for the Dumbocrats and the Peanut mans steller foreign policy chops.
My God, are democrat youth so retarded that they dont even know the history of the past 30 years?
Read a god damn book for a change instead of playing Wii.
and all this from the dipshit, that voted for the democratic nominee with the least experienced, rather than the one with most, and whose husband balenced our budget.
Screw being drunk this fool is just stupid.
congress balances the budget
No pd, congress submits a budget and then the president takes his Montblanc out and starts drawing lines through it. Exactly what Clinton did when he and Gingrich had a showdown.
I may have voted for Hillary had she not 1) blown the biggest advantage of any modern day politician 2) kept her husband and staff (Mark Penn) in line, 3) Acted half as presidential during her “kitchen sink” crap as she did at her concession speech. 4) Had she not sided Bush on the war.
And if she won the nomination, who knows, McCain may have picked Romney and he’d be in a better position given Romeny’s business pedigree.
sigh.
I might have voted for obama if he hadn’t
…gamed the caucuses
…had his pod people intimidate voters
…paid off superdelegates
…lied about his past and his associates
…accomplished something other than writing two books about himself and run for office over and over
…not set up a kitchen cabinet to swindle money from pension funds t rezko
…not lied about his uncle liberating auschwitz
…not lied about being born because his parents marched on Selma ALabama
…Not spent 3 weeks in afghanistan with Osama Bin Laden during his college vacation
…not lied about being a muslim ever when his school records show he was registered as a muslin and took muslim courses
…not flipflopped on FISA NAFTA IRAQ GUN CONTROL LIVE INFANT BIRTH
…not said its above my pay grade
…not painted bill clinton a racist and set out to play the race card from the beginnning as internal obama campaign memos said
…not had his surrogates shit on hillary calling her a monster and then denying culpability
…not said he couldnt disown wright because he was an uncle but threw his grandma under the bus cause she was a typical white person and Uncle Jerry’s hate was the fault of whitey
…not turned around 2 weeks later and disowned Uncle Jerry cause while its ok to say GOD DAMN AMERIKKKA its not ok to call Obama a typical politician who will asy and do anything to get elected
…shit there are so many reasons to not vote for obama, my fingers would fall off from typing them before the list would be half finished.
Apparently this nitwit doesnt remember the government shutdowns that Bill Clinton triggered to force the balanced budgets.
Oh thats right, back then he was watching flinstones reruns.
No, don’t need to drink to feel good about seeing Republicans squeal and whine… their own president has become a socialist.
Well, then you should just give Bush a big hug and hand him a rose….ask him to serve four more years.
All of the dumb s— you talk won’t help Obama on November 4th. For that I’m deeply relieved.
If you say you were sober, then I stand corrected.
Someone once said something like, “It is better to keep quiet and let others suspect you are a fool than to share your thoughts and remove all doubt.”
Oh my god. I just did a silent rant. Where i cuss up a storm but never print ause it isn’t nice, and i just realize something. Sorry bush lovers, but I finally realized why these bots piss me off so much. It’s cause not only does obama at like bush, but they do as well. LOL. All these years of bush hatred has termed them into the same irresponsible, ignorant, arrogently stupid, little snot in the white house, now is on every corner in american. In order to beat Karl Rove, Donna Brazille created an entire bush clone army. Think about it, the democratic party is filled with 18 million bush clones. Wow! I guess when they say if you can’t beat them join em they really ment it. SO really it’s not that bush has be come a socialist, it is the fact that the socialist have become bush. Enjoy that bots, marinate in it, embrace it you have become bush.
Or maybe it’s just Bush and Company’s record:
Campaigned on: Being a uniter, compassionate conservative, not a nation builder, and for smaller, lees scandal ridden government.
Did any of those goals get accomplished?
Isnt that the same bullshit Obama is peddling?
OMG YES IT IS!
We all learned our lesson with Bush, but Look this twit aka pd which stands for pretty dumb, is going to get fooled twice by Bush 3 with the tan…
There is no way Obama can win. Republicans by far are not going to vote for him and the party identification even in 2006 was 36% Republican, 38% Democratic, 26% Independent. 2006 is the year that the republicans lost the congress and of course who could forget Katrina. In addition, the party identification as a republican was at a all time low that year. The stuff that Obama stands for, the Republicans will not support. The so called “White people” support McCain over Obama by something like 9 points and they make up 80% of the electorate according to 2006 exit poll (It was 77% in 2004). Now the talking heads would have you believe that there will be a big black turn out. But what everybody is forgetting is that blacks only make up 13% of the population. So whatever turnout they think they will get it won’t be much more then what they got in 2006 or 2004 which is about 10% to 11%. Further more, black population is concentrated mostly in southern states that McCain is winning no matter what the pollsters would have you believe. Now there is no evidence that Democrats will turn out in greater numbers then republicans. The republicans have been improving their numbers at the exit polls since 1996. The democrats held no more then a 4% advantage in the polls during the last 12 years and that number is down to 2% in 2006 and was 0% in 2004. So if republicans are going for McCain and independence are breaking for McCain then why are the polls in Obama’s favor you might ask. That is because the pollsters assume that there will be a 10% more democrats voting then republicans. The reason there was a bounce in the polls for McCain after the republican convention is because the pollsters reduced the bias to 5 points and McCain took the lead. Now they moved it back to somewhere around 10%. Does anybody think that people are changing their party identification that quickly? I provided links to all the polls from where I have been getting the information. Please let me know if I mad any mistakes.
I agree!
Independents and enough Hillary supporters will give McCain the White House on November 4th.
Ultimately, most Americans’ instinctive distrust of Obama and his lack of experience will sink him on Election Day.
All of the polls, opinions, articles, etc. coming from the MSM keep people’s nerves on edge. But most Americans don’t trust the MSM, so Obama’s not going to get the votes he will need to win the general election.
What worries me is that Rasmussen (which often collaborates with Fox News for polling) has Obama six points ahead of McCain. This worries me because they were basically spot on in their 2004 and 2006 (mid-term elections) analysis. Let’s hope things start changing soon.
They also have a 10 point bias so they don’t count. They will bring the bias in line with reality around the last week of the election.
Just so I understand this — are you saying that Rasmussen has included this 10 point bias into the McCain/Obama polls (based on presumed higher Democratic vote turnout) and that there was no similar bias built into the polls taken in 2004 and 2006? If so, this plus the fact that I assume a lot of (former but still registered) Democrats like myself will vote for McCain this year, will help me stomach these obnoxious polling results a lot better!
Thanks for this great information!
I really hope Barack Obama does not get elected.
McCain Palin 2008!
Oh isn’t that just great….I’m tired and scared. But I know about all this.
This is part of a bigger scheme that has been going on since 1900s……progressives loved the notions of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin….they loved em and thought of these tyrant as enlightened expirementive geniuses….all you gotta do is read the NYT, New Yorker etc from the period and you’ll see that just like today, the media elite and the academics along with the Dems especially were enamoured with Fascism, Communisms etc. They loved how Avant garde, scientific and brave these tyrant were to openly dispise “individualism”, “democracy” etc…..These tyrant all admired President Wilson as he was the first “true” fascist…..FDR and johnson followed withe their “big deal” and “great societies”
don’t you get it??….the militaristic, racists, sexist, flag waving, imperialistic and nationalistic, politic that we think is “conservative” was created by Wilson, FDR, and Johnson machines….since it never worked they decided to blame it on the Republicans……the problem is that the Republicans were to dumb or unsophisticated to defend themselves from it…they still don’t know that the fix is on them or how!!!!
Republican politics was created by and for the middle class unsophisticated but intelligent Farm owner in the North and South…it came out of Jefferson’s vision of how to guarantee/maintain freedom to people–ie the Bill of rights and small state focused government. The Dems was the first party in this country…they were the sophisticates and the Federalists with all kind of grandiose schemes. By the very late 1800s, early 1900s, they started admiring German intellectuals Marx, Engles, Croly, etc….they went head over heals….even the Republican, Teddy Roosevelt left the party to join the Utopians. The problem was that they firmly believed in Utopia, regardless of the immediate human toll it took….scientific experimentation was more importatant that some measely “individual”.
They all hated the constitution (Wilson was the first president to openly mock it), individualism, democracy, and small/medium ineffecient systems or bbusinesses etc. The loved the notion the Government can be linked to massive Business to control the little people. Wilson was the 1st to establish massive ties with industry to facilitate his totalitarian vision.
The Republican values are those of the religious (puritan) small to middle class business/farmer folk of the north and the poor protestant and catholics of the south (both either were disgusted with slavery or had no stake in it). These values are grounded in christianity and devotion to total freedom of speech and religion and disdain for unrepresentative central government. After all the republican were the Abolitionist against slavery. the next plan these unsophisticate was to entirely economically integrate the black slave into the respectible society.
In contrast, the Democrat values of today are in continuum with the history, culture, beliefs(they try desperately to hide) of the Northern Elite Industrialist and the Southern racist former slave holding agrarian ((Dixie Democrats) elite class. At the end of the Civil War these elites came together to develope the new power base of the Democrat Party…their values were quite distant from religious principles: racial superiority (south) and/or manic utopian visions where only they the elite have the ability to improve the lives of the poor by running their lives of the nothern poor (white and black) industrial classes(eg Putnam)using their fortune for the purpose of their Glory. TTheir philosphy was that the poor are incapable of refined behaviour and survival. Their riches were nnot enough for them-they needed glory to flaunt to their peers and all such schemes depended on the maintenance of the poor class while providing for their rudimentary needs (seem familiar?). This had everything to do with domination, and endentured servitude (a form of slavery they were already accustomed to before the Civil War). It was all about centralized power and religious principles in their decisions were always minimal. The were Federalist/centralist….and willingly gave all power to Government they ran. These elites were very sophisticated and had great ties with each other.
The Dems have distorted our history so badly that we don’t know the difference about “UP” or “Down” let alone the truth! But what is true is that the Conservative is certainly not prone to fascism and racism….and the Democrats certainly were. Up until the time of FDR, democrats didn’t want any power to the freed Blacks–they tried to make their lives as insignificant as possible. FDR caused the Democrat party to part with its racist past, atleast officially but this did little to improve their lot. But all other Democrats values have remained uunchanged eg central government, til this day. Pimp the poor for political gain, regardless of the cost to those being pimped.
Funny isn’t it because all of you disdain the poor sounther white man of today and call him a racist and a KKK if he is a republican…well this is mostly false. The reason they vote republican is because it is the only party that protects their way of life and culture, including religion. Most of these people are not racist but the adhere fanatically to their freedom and don’t want to be helped or dependent on the freedom usurping Government and they don’t want to be used by it.
….look it up…do lots of reading, use you logical mind and please read “Liberal Fascism” to start…..it may save this country and deprogram that victim oriented attitude many liberals have.
The problem today is that the true Fascist have rewritten your history and your vision of what it mean to be an American.
So no things haven’t changed…other that the fact that they (the Dems) still want to dominate over you lives and distract you from cherishing the Bill of Right and the Consitution.
Its us unsophisticate people who are YOUR champions for America and YOUR Freedom. Republican always hated wars as opposed to Dems who got into any war they could find in order to further regulate and restrict your lives.
Please my fellow American wake up….we conservative love our fellow Dem american as we want to protect you from your destructive ideals…that inevitable can’t work….just as they never have anywhere in the world (stalin, pol pot, hitler, chavez, arifat, mussolini, etc…all collectiveist and totalitarian and through use identitiy politics and marxist utopian “progressive” principles.
I know capitalism is harch but it still is the most equitalbe, as long a we have our freedom. Stop socialism….it will kill us all….and eventually the whole western world. The kind of socialism they are trying to implememnt only benefit the cliques of elite and their academt pals by delivering to them all you tax money for their own gain. You, the poor man will get nothing but a kick in the teeth when they finished using you…you’re just a mean to an end….yet so many of you thing you want to be part of the regime as an elite….there is only so much room for elites among them.
BTW, the KKK=dixie democrats, not republican. Eugenics=democrats, fascist ties to Megaindustr=dems, etc.
Read: “Liberal Fascism” your life depends on your understanding of the forces in play today….its no accident that Obama was chosen by the Dems…..Think about it.
Sally,
Thank you for your essay!
I ran out and bought the book after your comments last week
Wonderful!!! My time hasn’t been wasted in vane…thank you for the reply. Good reading! I wonder if you will end up in shock like I did for about a month.
Sally, great comments. You need to re-post this post, but maybe with some help with spelling and punctuation. Not trying to criticize, just want people to be able to read everything you are saying.
Here’s a link to the book, “Liberal Fascism,” by Jonah Goldberg at Amazon.com.
You can buy it new or used. I always buy the books used as they are practically like new.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=liberal+fascism
I usually don’t believe in conspiracy theory but I think there are people who are gaming the system and they are about to install and other puppet into office. They did it with the republicans and now they are doing it to the democrats. I would not be surprised that the entire bailout is a scam to offset their losses. They keep telling everybody that this will somehow fix things but I don’t buy it. Only thing it will do is slow the collapse of the market. The problem is so big that we will have to go through some hard times before this clears it self out. The housing market is over valued by trillions of dollars. In my area house prices tippled in the last 7 years. Under normal circumstances they would have gone up by no more then 15 to 20% in that time. So until they fall back to the normal growth curve there will be no relief. So if the housing market is worth 14 Trillion then it will have to drop about 4 Trillion before things go back to normal. I just don’t see how 700 billion is going to fix that. There must be 10s of millions of people who live in houses that they own more on then they are worth. It will take 10 to 15 years for those houses to appreciate enough for them to be able to move. Even at low interest payments it will suck up all their spending power and as for the loans them self, who will want to hold that toxic paper. Well now we now know the government and as we saw with the Iraq war they will come back for more and more money. This is a disaster that is unavoidable. I agree with the guys who said they should just let everybody who made these bets go bankrupt so that they can clean out the system. All this bill will do is keep the zombie banks feed on the once that are still working.
I try to explain to people that if there is a global elite controlling things, and these people were behind Bush, they would not be so stupid as to back another Republican this go around. They’d find a Democratic puppet to put into power. A lot of Obama people are still in denial – they’ll believe 9/11 was perpetrated by the government, that Bush is a puppet, etc., but somehow they think the Democrats’ hands are clean. It’s bizarre really. I mean, if you are going to be into conspiracy theories then why on earth would you be so naïve as to believe this is only affecting ONE party?
My father once told me the definitions of Liberal and Conservative political philosophy. I think it applies here:
Liberal is some one who makes changes to a system for the sake of making changes and not because there is a need or an understanding of what the results of that change may be.
Conservative is someone who only makes changes when it is deamed necessary. He makes careful considerations to what the results might be.
Here adding a woman to the ticket is both daring and in true conservative fashion, high time to make this change for the betterment of our nation.
So…”conservatives make careful considerations” when they are the decider? Please explain why Palin states it is better not to blink, not to hesitate….making decisions hastily or “from the gut” is not confidence, it masks an inability to think critically.
Your father’s definitions are so broad they are useless. If McCain had considered his vp choice carefully, why isn’t the campaign letting her speak her own words more? Who better to combat pesky left wing journalists than a former journalist?
Asian market snapshot as of this moment
ASX -95.40
NIKKEI -149.55
China -UNCH
HSI -395.19
kind of downish, but not extreme for the Asians; they appear to be waiting to see the ESSA vote today. Dollar is holding up for the moment; likely because Europe has banking problems of it’s own.
If Congress expects to weigh their vote based on Asian markets, they’re just going to find that the Asian markets are in turn waiting for Congress.
The ball’s in Congress’ court. Bush is lame. He’ll sign whatever Paulson tells him to at this point.
Sally, I agree with many points of your historical research on the Democratic and Republican party. But many of those ideals have crossed party lines. And fascism certainly knows no bounds.
I am sure you are against all those Farm Aid bailouts previously right? Let the market take care of it. How exactly do no bid military contracts fit in with free market theory?
Yes, Democrats pimp the poor, just as Republicans pimp religion. We’re likely to not agree on political philosophy, and I can pretty much guarantee that the only ones even thinking about it are us, not the politicians.
Posted by a lifelong self-employed guy who will never get bailed out and never borrowed a dime. I fully embrace capitalism, just get sick of hearing about how “trickle down” is the only way…saw what it did after 8 years of Reagan (’87 crash) and now Bush/ McCain.
Republicans can rest easy now though, even if Obama wins, he won’t have any money to “socailize” the government if he wanted to, which he doesn’t.
They will just print more money….but this time they will stick his face on the new 3 dollar bill.
they’ll have to print 3 dollar bills just to match the buying power of a 1 dollar bill before the Bush years….
what do you care? You are for a socialist state. Whether your cheese and eggs cost 10 dollrs or 50 dollars, you still only get it once a month.
ANd enjoy making an appointment 5 months in advance for your debilitating or life threatening illness with socialized medicine.
Welcome to Europe, we can cure you but you might not survive the waiting list sweetie.
How is it that anyone who now supports the middle class is a socialist? I’ve been a small business owner my whole working life. I’ve always had health insurance and never used it, approaching middle age, but you want to know what premiums are like even for a healthy non-smoker with no pre-existing?
The “health” care industry is a racket. I’ve been to most major pharmaceutical companies and met dozens of doctors in as many hospitals (for work), it’s the “sick” care industry.
Some people at NQ are a little confused about the word “socialist.”
A lot of folks mistakenly think socialism means the worst form of dictatorship, because Stalin and Hitler called their parties “socialist.”
Socialism was the name chosen by two crazy dictators to describe themselves. But should we really take the word of crazy mass murderers as to what socialism is?
Of course not. If Hitler and Stalin—being, as they were, as mad as hatters—had called their countries “democratic,” would we now be cowering in fear, because we believed democracy was some horrible form of dictatorship?
Of course not. Level-headed people know that socialism is a form of government in which the government controls certain resources. Socialism is libraries and sidewalks, public roads, and universal health care. No nation would last five minutes without socialism.
You and I know this. But right-wing types take their cue from Hitler and Stalin as to what socialism is. That’s why we laugh at wingers.
Yeah, thanks for the back up Perry. Love to see what all the socialist haters would be doing today without FDIC for their bank accounts.
have you seen his videos? you two belong together.
really you do.
Perry, feature this guy.
Its so nice to get a thoughtful reply to ideas….
You know I agree fully that fascism has no bounds but suspiciously and incorrectly it has been placed/described within the the “extreme right” of the modern ideological spectrum of Left and Right Politics. This Leftist version of our history has been falsely accepted as truth however, even when close examination of the facts from that period squarely and clearly show Fascism was an radical socialist experiment and not a right wing phenomena–very similar in nature to Communism and Hitlerism.
My other point was to show how terrible distorted our conception of past and current events are. Do distorted that it impacts us very negatively till this day. Until this myth is dispelled, we will never have progress in this (country and I even speculate that it will cause the fall of Western Civilizaton). We must start taking back our history and ownership of our politic through unresentlful and open dialogue. The fear of the
evil “right wing” must stop.
We all must start understanding why this falsehood has been promulgated a truth throughout the world or we will never trust one another nor will we be able to work together to find solutions.
It must be understood by all that religion. especially christianity is not to blame for the worlds largest atrocities but rabid atheism/collectivism (the thing that Hilter, Stalin, Musso, pol pot, Mao, etc had in common) is to blame…..this falacy must be dispelled.
Calling peopole fascist was started by communists/Stalinist and than most Western Leftists after WW2 to desribe a dissenting opinion—done in order to shut down communications.
Yes there are religious zealots but we must give christianity its dues nevertheless …..it helped form our modern notion of Individual rights, Democracy, and respect for life (and I am an agnostic…not a christian myself). Denying this will only cause the erosion of our beloved system and freedoms and replace it with rabid atheism…an inflexible and dangerous ideal in itself because it’s underlying premis is that human have the power of God. This country was created based on the opposite….suggesting no man has the power of God and it hence not evil but untrustworthy/uncorruptible over long periods of time….hence democracy
You see I’m think social programs, even some taxes are essential to keep society vibrant, healthy and cohesive..yet, I am very suspicious of todays “socialist” because they are zealots in their disdain and determination to destroy christianity, our traditions, our constitution, and our families…..these are imperatives of Democracy whether one likes it or not these things keep our democracy humane and livable because it focuses the responsiblity for ones happiness on one’s self not the State. All human need a sense of responsibility and need to develope through some hardship in order to develop a health sense of self and emotional stability….take this away these structures you have animals that will listen to anyone and do anything it takes to get what they need. Why do you think the Obama Communists love destroying these ties, values, and sense of consciousnes….ending up with crime and meyham in the streets, and fear…because such people will do/vote for anybody who promises money and peace; they’re desperate and have no morals
Thats my fear….and my studies suggest that historically the democrat party tends to produce such zealots….eager to experiment with unproven social ideas.
There has been a revolution for 200 + years between secularism and christianity….it produced many positive things but just as religion may take it too far, so can secularism.
There is so much we haven’t been allowed to talk about int he public forum…this must stop and we must take our history, constitution, and freedom of speech/religion/vote more seriously!
THANK YOU FOR YOU THOUGHTFUL REPLY “JEREMIAH GOD…”
huh? what? Thoughtful? surely you aren’t referring to anything i said.
Oh yes he will…if you knew his obamas history and the history of the movement he really represents you would not say so….you would be frighten instead….please read “Liberal Fascism” by Goldberg. it will get you going on Progressive political history, as well as their motives, as taactics and strategy…..the Progressive collectivist ideals ooze out of Obama…he is nothing really be the Progressives Puppet….either way America is in Dire trouble of losing its most important more….it’s constitution….something Progressives over 100 years have consistently mocked for being petty and for simpletons…..Read it an then talk to me. I Wish i could be there to see your eye ball to pop out of your head in fear and anxiety and embarrasement for being so dooped for so long….enjoy please.
From all the opinions I’ve read over the last week or so, it seems many don’t see present economics as the crisis it is. Personally, I think it’s worse than reported.
There’s a general perception out there that if we just patch up our credit woes, we’ll start to recover. But credit isn’t just the bad boy in the corner of our economic system, it IS the economic system.
Where do people think money comes from? The only Federal government directly regulated form of money is coins, which accounts for less than 1% of our money. Paper currency is only slightly more, but paper is actually Federal Reserve. And by the way, the Federal Reserve is NOT the government.
The vast majority of our money is created, yes I said created, from lines of credit. In itself, this is not necessarily bad. Regardless of whether the money supply is controlled by the government or a private banking structure like ours is, credit is still what produces money.
In order for this system to self-regulate, their has to be accuracy in risk assesment. This is where they went wrong. Risk was minimized, or more correctly obscured, by way of direct un-regulated schemes such as short-sells, hedge funds and credit default swaps, collectively part of a class called derivitaves.
Much has been said about the pratices of Fannie/Freddie ACORN and other outfits causing both risky loans and inflated prices, and much of that is likely true. But don’t forget, the banking industry played a role too. Bottom line, if credit doesn’t happen, neither does money, plain and simple. This is the bank’s self-preservation instinct at work.
My best guess is that the other shoe which will have to drop sooner or later is the fact that America has been running along for some time as a debtor nation economy, in simple terms, taking in more than we put out. Blame NAFTA or foreign labor practice or whatever, the result is the same.
Once we get over this “emergency crisis”, we’ll eventually have to face the hard cold fact that the true value of our national wealth is not what it’s been inflated to appear as. Money has no inherent value of it’s own, it’s only true value is what it truly represents.
Forgot to mention, another absolute necessity for any successful economy. - Surplus.
Thousands of years ago, the first money systems were invented to deal with surplus. For example, the ancient Egytians had the Nile overflow every year, then had to invent money and accounting to keep track of the resulting crop surplus, which they wanted to trade with others.
Any credit line extended to create money, which is how it’s done, assumes that the borrower has some kind of enterprise which will generate enough surplus to pay back the loan. Without surplus, credit defaults, and money collapses.
America today creates surplus in some shrinking areas, but overall operates on a trade deficit. Welcome to your new third world country.
I accept that point also. And I blame Greenspan for it. Of course is not his fault but he is the one to blame because of what he represented and promoted. As you aptly put it through my lens, the service economy with very difficulty can or may produce a surplus of anything. Thus an upper limit and consequentially a poor generator of surplus.
So, services produce low emotional involvement and little imagination. Consequently our educational system including love or acceptance of discipline fails to keep pace with innovation. Meaning invention. Meaning industrialization. Meaning surplus.
Only Gov. Sarah Palin right now can change these conditions by the sheer motivation of ‘resource’ base economy. The promise of ’surplus’ and otherwise other ‘risk assessments’ can stand firm when the vision is directed at ‘resource’ development. But a ‘resource’ cannot be developed without ‘motivation.’ Gov. Sarah Palin is a motivated leader. How much credit would you extend her? So is Barack Obama a motivated individual. But these two are motivated in different directions.
Well, first of all we need the resources to develop, at current consumption rates, that’s just not feasible. Palin is running for vp remember, with little real power. Obama has called for drastically reducing our dependence on oil from the middle east. Seems like an attainable goal. Maybe not totally in 10 years, but enough to alter the geopolitical dynamic.
If you look at NASA and the way they hunkered around their ’successful’ shuttle program, you will see how much or better yet how little ’surplus’ they turn out to be ‘willing’ to produce.
NASA Shuttle program is similar in some ways to this financial bailout. And specifically I direct you at the Advisory Board.
And I’ll just direct your attention at the billions. 700 billions for a financial rescue program versus the billions spent in the NASA Shuttle program.
If you measure both of these programs by your measuring stick, that is, the production of ’surplus,’ you’ll see that both move in the direction of defeatism. ‘Risk’ is by enlarged ‘aversion of risk’ or ‘preemption of risk.’ Both lead to unproductive categories. Even theoretically they don’t work. But then why are they so well received and embraced? Why?
The word is ’security,’ or ’security risks.’ Security is also ‘risk aversion.’ Also ‘unwillingness,’ or ‘unwillingness to.’ All of these processes act against your theory of ’surplus’ and ‘risk.’
I give you this comparison for you to see in advance the parallelism between them. By their emphasis on risk aversion, the NASA and the Shuttle program have simply demotivated students and researchers and failed the American educational system.
I accept your points of view. And I accept that the national debt and the trade deficit are credit debacles in the loom. And the way I see this so call bailout is very pessimistic. The bailout itself not so much as the Advisory board. I accept the bailout. Yet, I do not accept the Advisory Board.
The operative word in your analysis in my brain is ‘risk,’ that is ‘risk assessment’ and ‘risk minimized’ and ‘risky loans.’ The objective of the Advisory Board is to not only control risk, or minimize risk, even as management risk, but to predict or preempt risk. The intention may be well and good but not even in theory it works. Why? Because the economy as you say is not only about ‘risk assessment’ but is also about ‘risk taken.’ ‘Assessment’ is not the same as ‘taken’ (I’m being kind of repetitive). ‘Assessment’ is a brain function (call it what you want) while ‘taken’ is about the ‘will’ of being ‘willing to’ do. In between the two are ‘uncertainty’ and ‘randomness.’ Capitalism in my view does not work when the objectives are ‘certainty’ either through prediction or preemption.
So, there is a lot going on about America that defies prediction and preemption and attracts or encourages ‘willingness’ to take risk. Yes, my statement is true to me. But an Advisory Board to the new Treasury Czar spells disaster for the future of Americans and the American financial and economic system. In other words, lets start rewriting our economic academic textbooks.
For that reason and others, I believe McCain brought us Gov. Palin. Intuitively she knows how to solve our trade imbalances, our trade deficits, and our national debt. How? By the sheer ‘willingness’ to ‘risk’ our national future into areas of ‘resource’ development and management.
Did anyone hear about Palin’s approval ratings going down in Alaska??…from 80% to 68%. I did’nt know this? I feel bad for her, all this attacking by the media everyday, is taking a toll on her, and I know that’s why she can’t even be herself in interviews. The media and Obama won’t be happy until they have completely destroyed her reputation.
Why won’t Mccain fight back harder? It’s time for Obama to be shown for the true slimey and corrupt person he is!
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/09/18/is-sarah-palins-star-beginning-to-fall.html
Her poll numbers going down couldn’t have anything to do with the public getting to know her more could it? Has to be the evil media…McCain’s lawyers are obstucting justice in the bipartisan investigation started before the vp selection. And she clearly doesn’t have the political chops to handle tepid interviews by Katie Couric.
But that is because you like others are looking for specific answers from her that prove to you that she has failed or is a failure. Probably because you are.
Ahh, no, I and others have no trouble seeing her failures. It is easy to be popular within your own base, but politics is about convincing others of your opinions. She didn’t cancel the $25 million road to nowhere, even though she could. But has no qualms about lying in her first speech to the American people. She didn’t sell the jet on EBay, and she even lost money on the deal. How does that reflect well on her character?
I also firmly believe, that if you are going to be one of the most powerful persons in the world, it should go without saying that you’ve seen a bit of it. It’s mostly quite different than the US. And that is something the MSM definitely shields us from.
Me-Just some failure who followed his dreams which took him around the world.
What a petty, coniving argument. She said she “put it on ebay” and she did. How many politicians do you know who would give up a luxury plane and fly commercial or fire the cook in the executive mansion? Please don’t lie or try to mislead. And all she needs to do is bring over the base in the Republican Party. John McCain can get the independents and Hillary’s Democrats on his own.
“Fire the cook” that person has another job in the government, also she only spent what 80 days in the capital? Sure all politicians exaggerate, that’s why she said “put it on e-bay” and let us fill in the blanks to believe that she is so unconventional and plucky. But it didn’t work. That’s just the facts. Now why does it not bother anyone that she refuses to cooperate in bi-partisan investigations? It’s not the lie….it’s the cover-up.
By alaska state law thise issues “troopergate” are handled by the state attorney generals office not by partisan commissions of bitter democrats who have a vested interest in tearing her down to get Bacrackhead Oblowjobinalimo elected.
Thats the real story twit.
The one that the MSM wont cover.
Listen PD if you are going to spread the bullshit from camp koolaid at least use talking points that have not been discredited.
I hear the “WHERE IS THE PREGNANCY SUIT” still has some life in it.
pd what do ya think of Joe Biden? Isn’t he a national treasure. He’s been a member of the Washington establishment for over thirty years and he thinks FDR was president in 1929 AND he thinks people had TVs then. Don’t you just love it that when he was in college, he got an “F” in one of his classes because he plagiarized an entire paper? That’s just a couple of examples of his foot in mouth and cheating. There are many others. Sarah Palin may not be familiar yet with McCains history in the senate, but it’s something she can learn. It’s not hard. The reason people like her so much is her willingness to fight coruption in Washington so she will be really busy once McCain is elected. Obama is about to be exposed for who is really is this next week and the one after. It’s better to have a VP who might need a little on the job training than a president who doesn’t know what he doing and is corupt.
She needs to fight corruption in Alaska first….$25 million road to nowhere, after the bridge was known to be a dead deal…refuses to cooperate with an investigation (bi-partisan) started before her vp selection….used state money to send her husband on state business….left Wasilla $26 million in debt….not that bad for an average politician, but don’t ask me to believe she’s gonna change what she doesn’t yet know. By the time she crams and catches up, it’ll be time to campaign for the midterms….
Yes, Biden does have foot-in-mouth disease, but if the vp is ever needed (president dies) I’ll go with the guy with tons of foreign policy experience, decades in the senate….and he hasn’t bothered to make himself rich in the process.
What difference does it make if Biden has “tons of foreign policy experience”? He wanted, and still wants apparently, to divide Iraq into three autonomous groups which every one knows wouldn’t work. And Sarah Palin still has nearly 79% approval rating in Alaska which would indicate the people like her and the job she has been doing. It might be good at this point to remind you Gov. Palin was not in the senate, did not vote for the bridge or road to nowhere nor did she ask for the money. And she isn’t wealthy. Besides, I thought obots believed esperience isn’t necessary else why is he the nominee instead of Hillary Clinton?
Possibly I don’t fit your mold of “Obot”. The $25 million road to nowhere was in her power to deny, she didn’t. This wouldn’t be a big deal except for the fact that there is so little to go on with her record, and “earmark reform” being a central argument for them.
Population of Delaware is 25% higher than Alaska, and Biden has kept those residents happy for 36 years.
Palin is still riding the wave of a new govenor after so many years of blatant corruption, the poll numbers are naturally going to come down when the reality of her performance gets the light of day within her own state. Can you say the poll drop in her state has nothing to do with the state subpeonas that she and her husband are ignoring, and now feel they are above the law?
We need a truth squad, these trolls are just spreading lies.
Shame on you for being nothing but a lying partisan hack.
siu.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/road-to-nowhere/
September 23, 2008
“Road To Nowhere”
Posted: 05:00 PM ET
I left the last comment in to show just how biased the news coverage is.
Like what? Light her self on fire in protest in front of the US Capitol?
See pd this is why we not only dispise twits like you who just repeat what ever bullshit you hear on the left and in the biased MSM on palin just like you did on hillary, but we dispise the MSM for not doing 1/10th the investigative journalism on that scumbag dirty politician Backroom Obuyme from chicago.
But i am sure you won’t get that because your too deeply invested in the transformative nature of Hopium and Changeujuana.
lets reiterate this was a deal done by the previous governor and already rolling by the time she was in office.
seriously. The Palin Derangement Syndrome on the Left is just disgusting and out of control.
If Barack Obama loses it wont be because of his race, it will be because he is a fruad and a liar and lacks character, and more importantly because his surrogates supporters and pobd army has acted like a bunch of lunatic assholes.
Also you should be aware that investigations like the troopergae are nomrally handled by the state attorney generals office by law in Alaska.
Not by a partisan commision in the house or state senate.
The fact that partisan democrats decided to hold hearings on this issue as a way to get even with her instead of following state law that requires this investigation to be handled by the attorney generals office is not an impeachment of Palins integrity but a slap in the face to the assholes that the Democratic party has turned into this election season.
But i bet you feel right at home with that.
If you call reading smear after smear in the Main stream media on page one with retractions buried on page six getting to know someone…
Not a smear, a quote|:
“As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state”
Suck on this troll
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/25/politics/fromtheroad/entry4479278.shtml
It may not be as flowery and nuanced a delivery as one you get infront of a greek temple as you promise to heal the planet and turn back the oceans if the people vote for you, buts oh well i doubt she gives a shit if a prick like you votes for her.
And do you realize that Russia is about 30 miles from Alaska. If they come after us it will be through Alaska because that is our closest point to them. That’s why we have all those defense missiles up there. Wise up people. Being Governor of Alaska is not the same as the other states.
We don’t have defense missiles up there. We have a project to develop a missile defense system.
What we have in the far north is an early warning system. It was put there because a missile attack from former Soviet Union would have been transpolar. Look at a globe.
The proximity of Alaska’s border to eastern Siberia–a vast, endless stretch of uninhabitable tundra, has nothing to do with anything. A Russian army couldn’t attack us from there.
I would hope Sarah Palin realizes she’s talking total nonsense. It’s possible she doesn’t, given the deplorable state of our educational system.
Nikki- I am truly sorry for the attacks on Gov. Palin. Hillary Clinton spent nearly a year traveling from town to town across our Nation talking to people everyday in all kinds of weather. I’ll bet every morning when she woke up she wondered what new attack, misrepresentation or lie she would have to face and she had no support from her party. Just those of us who saw how special she is and made phone calls, donated money and voted for her. She said on more than one occasion, “It’s part of the territory” and she, more than anyone else should know since she faced those same lies for fifteen years from Republicans and unreasonable hatred from some women members of that party. I am a member of NOW and the last two emails I have received from them have been attacks on Sarah Palin and after the last one I wrote back to Ms Gandy. I told her NOW should represent ALL women even if there is an issue on which they differ. Roe v Wade is that issue. I also, told her an org representing women should emphasize the things women have in common: Equal pay, child care, health care, education for our children and protection against abuse. We have witnessed something this year which is nothing short of a miracle. Two different women running for the two most important jobs, not just in this country, but in the world. Think of the power our votes would have if we were united by our purpose instead of allowing ourselves to be divided by what politicians of both parties have used as a wedge to drive us apart. I was a Democratic woman until June of this year, but I have been sending emails and letters to the editor of our local newspapers and making phone calls for over a year. First for Hillary and now for Sarah Palin because I know unless women of both parties fight sexism where ever and when ever it happens, it will continue to suffucate and limit our daughters and future generations of women. Hillary was qualified to be president and she would have brought a whole new approach and dedication to the job. Gov. Palin doesn’t have as much experience, but all she needs to do is look at Joe Biden to realize she can do the job better. If she doesn’t know the answer to a question, she can always find out, in the meantime she can take her cue from Obama and use charm and words to smooth over the rough places. The attacks won’t stop until the people force the media into a corner and the only way to make that happen is with our vote and trying to win over other votes. One other thing Hillary said might be helpful: “Never give up and never give in.”
You shoudl see the blog on McCain’s website. People are really pissed off that he is taking all this laying down.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gmJpgsrR27lwSUQ24_WSSrU0W-JwD93FT48G0
COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Democrat Barack Obama’s presidential campaign blitzed bars and advocates for the homeless have lined up vans to ferry potential voters from shelters.
The prize could be thousands of traditionally elusive voters in hard-fought Ohio who would have the chance to register and vote on the same day — if the courts don’t intervene.
One-stop voting, scheduled for Tuesday through Oct. 6, would be especially convenient for those Democratic-leaning voters who have traditionally had trouble getting to the polls. It’s a reality not lost on two parties locked in a tight race four years after President Bush’s 118,000-vote victory in Ohio gave him a second term.
“The populations that we focus on, the lower income and minority populations, move more often,” said Teresa James, an attorney working in northeast Ohio for Project Vote, which pushes for greater voting participation. “They’re also more likely to have jobs that aren’t flexible in terms of voting.”
What is the minimum income threshold to vote? And if any of those homeless happen to be veterans? Better to make it more difficult to vote right? How many of them are senior citizens that just can’t make it on Social Security?
The problem is not that they vote. They should vote. But not vote twice or three times. Which would be the other extreme.
One-stop voting, scheduled for Tuesday through Oct. 6, would be especially convenient for those Democratic-leaning voters who have traditionally had trouble getting to the polls. It’s a reality not lost on two parties locked in a tight race four years after President Bush’s 118,000-vote victory in Ohio gave him a second term.
The one stop voting concerns me. Democrats have always offered rides to the polls for the infirm or elderly on voting day. ONE STOP VOTING is not the answer here.
Well, Republicans have had 8 years to fix the voting system, they certainly know how things can get suspicious. Could it be that both parties’ tricks cancel out?
I know dead people can vote democratic, but this is proof that brain dead morons can post on the internetz.
it’s easy….all the tubes of the internets are part of my life support
You make a strong case for assisted euthenasia.
Let me be the first to offer to disconnect your feeding tube.
We can use the creamed corn wasted on you for ethanol.
but euthenasia is what socialists do….I knew you had it in you….
I can be a socialist for a day.
For you.
my eyelids are batting
I read that Michel Obama showed up at FAMU in Florida, FAMU is a Black Collage in Tallahassee, she only got 8000 people to show up to the rally. In 2004 There were over 10,000 who showed up for Edwards. So things are not as they seem. About the white women. McCain still has a 2 point lead over Obama as of last week. So I would not be overly concerned over that.
Could Chicago stories come to the forefront?
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/chicagos-political-machine/
This election is not over, and I take heart that the Silent Majority is out there.
The Silent Majority in this election will be the 1/3 Democrats, Half Independents and all the Republicans that SeatlleMoss described.
We’re the ones not being spoon-fed by the MSM, Hollywood and the extreme Leftist Thugs who are already claiming victory.
Off the topic a bit…
There was a petition to ask our state representatives to look into allegations that Obama violated the Logan Act when he visited Iraq in July.
I live in New York State, and I signed the petition. Out of my three representatives, Sen. Charles Schumer (D), Sen. Hillary Clinton (D), and Congressman John McHue (R), the only one to reply back to me (twice) was Sen. Clinton. Sadly she is not the Candidate that could have easily won this election and put the interests of the people first. On the other hand, I am happy because she is still my Senator.
Lisa-You are lucky to have Hillary as your Senator. I would have loved to have her as my President. I am seriously contemplating moving to New York.
Senator clinton is being targetted at her next election cycle by the obama people.
They want her out of office.
Make sure you volunteer and work for her.
Senator Clinton is toast now. In the Senate she’ll be a nobody. Barack will see to it. In NY after this bailout she’ll be public enemy number one, since this bailout bill will depress markets, slower credit to a trickle, accelerate foreclosure rates, institute HOPE as the number one method to obtain a mortgage, and raise real estate property prices higher than they have been. All in one little 2008 Act.
ah well…if thats truly the case, at least we will have Barry to thank for his Bailout Proposal that he suggested on day one as he is claiming now.
More expectations game from the Obama campaign, so I think the “Biden wins” article are written as well
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/she-is-too-good-we-need-help-media-help-us/
I woke up this morning and re-read the previous post about our honorable and courageous war veterans from years past. My Daddy was in Korea. I read through some of the posts by an Obama supporter and all I can say is I prayed last night for God to have mercy on your soul.
Anyone who thinks it is ok and/or excuses Obama’s close association w Bill Ayers who is an unrepentent domestic terrorist who got away w murdering many innocent soldiers and people, truly should fear for the infinite existence of their soul. While I disagree w George Bush on many things, his incompetence, his illegal Presidency, etc., I am not going to punish our country by voting for and supporting someone else not only as inept but even more dangerous in Barack Obama.
I feel there are many unanswered questions about Iraq and probably will never know. Bush sent many innocent men and women to fight a war without assuring the American people of it’s validity. But I am certainly not going to trust Barack Obama to get us out. No military experience, no executive experience and a minister who preaches from the pulpit “God Damn America”.
Parents from the 60’s have brought in a new generation of people who think it is ok to be violent even though that is what they are screaming about is wrong. They scream and protest about a wrongful war while they try to repress free speech, cheat at the voting booth, manipulate and intimidate even the elderly and use vulgar, foul and nasty language. All you really stand for is how this country is free for all even the ones who don’t appreicate or have any idea what it means to live in this country. Your hatred and criticisms show how truly ignorant you are.
Not supporting Ayers, but who did he murder? No one. People involved in the group after he left blew themselves up, karma on them. But you shouldn’t be complaining about liars while practicing the same.
Sorry. Your thinking is flawed. No one died through pure luck and poor execution. The planning fully intended that there be deaths. Wake up. You’re a half a load short.
Again, not defending Ayers, but simple question, who did he murder?
One of the wetherman under his leadership and instruction died when a bomb they were making exploded.
Or don’t they teach you modern history of your leaders and the men they associate with at camp koolaid numbnuts?
Seriously, gtfo and get an education.
Stupid Trolls. You would think with all the undocumented sub 200 dollar contributions flowing in from gaze Bacrackhead Obullshit could afford to actually train his internet trolls.
so, you just repeated what I had already posted about the weathermen being their own victims. Like I said, serves ‘em right. read the posts before you get in a slather, I’ll bet your screen has spittle all over it.
yes my screen has spittle on it from laughing hysterically at what a total idiot you are.
You keep getting your ass handed to you on this thread but you keep coming back for more.
Is working as one of barry’s ignorant blog trolls really a better job than flipping burgers? Its about the same rate of pay, but it seems you take a lot more mental beating here than you would at McDonalds.
Howdy Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright.
WRT PD, one needs some residual intelligence and conscience to acknowledge a brighter idea when it is spoken/written….PD is a brainless, animal who thinks Obama will pay for his trailor rent and food….what do you expect from and animal conditioned to jump when carrot is dangled in front of his face?
That’s what I meant earlier in our discussion: let the Collectivist/atheist zealots chip away at the moral fabric until none is left….and presto brown-shirt idiots are what you get.
why do you think they’ve been attacking even the most mild aspects of morality and religion for 40+ years? This country is becoming an idiot factory just like any other collectivist state.
Sally, I dont know what to say.
For the first time in my adult life, i am scared for my country.
No let me rephrase that.
For the first time in my adult life I am really truly and deeply afraid for my country. I truly believe the rise of these fascists threatens the very foundations of our great union.
Those who do not value freedom, are not willing to fight for freedom, are not willing to die for their freedoms do not deserve it.
May god have mercy on our souls if Barack Obama is elected.
You are not alone…I come from a former Soviet dominated country….and escaped. I love my freedom and I love my country the USA deep down in the gut kind of love.
Know that you are not alone….I am very very frightened…and I am surprise how many American just take these freedoms for granted…they think horrors cannot happen here! Even when its occuring right under their noses. Such people don’t deserve this country…and certainly won’t deserve the loyalty of those who invariably end up fighting and putting their lives on the line to protect THEM…..those stupid low life, uneducated, unsophisticated, nazi Marines/military eh?
TRy to keep you spirits up….America needs you to keep educating and shaking these brain-dead idiots out of their dangerous trance….great Job!
What is great is that finally non-corrupt thoughtful Democrats are having civil conversations with conservative….you see we have much more in common than the MSM would have anyone believe….those rats are responsible for positioning us at each others throats over the stupidest things. The most important similarity we have in common is our desire to see America prosper, be strong, and our desire to see threats to our democracy destroyed.
Peace to you all
Yes you are supporting Ayers. You are a Ayerite.
I believe they are called Ayerians.
VMorris,
Hillary is an ASSET to my State. I live close to Fort Drum , NY and she has visited the Army Base many times and always gave full support of our troops. She puts the interests of all New Yorkers first, not just those that reside in NYC.
I agree with you. I would have loved to see her as President.
Can Obama be any more full of SHIT? He’s taking full credit for the finance rescue, and saying McCain deserves none.
Obama: “None of those were in the president’s provisions. They are identical to the things I called for the day that (Treasury) Secretary (Henry) Paulson released his package,”
He did not call for any provisions until AFTER McCAIN. And then, just like he did with Hillary, he parroted McCain’s proposal.
Obama: “We have to remember how we got here, not so much to allocate blame as to understand the choices that are going to face the next president,” he said. And I think the next president has to come in with a very strong package of reforms.”
Obama & Company have been AGAINST REFORMS because they have been in the pocket and taking payola from the failed institutions.
Remember McCain’s SB190? Why did Obama and his fellow lawmakers oppose those reforms? Obama and his looter friends claimed there was nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie.
Obama will have another chance to vote for McCain’s reforms when McCain is President.
The Main Stream Media should be ashamed of its self. SO in the tank that this fucktard can sit in front of them and bold face lie and know he can get away with it.
This is the kind of Media a dictator has, not the kind the united states of america deserves.
Main Stream media, none of you deserve to be spit on if you came running down the street with your hair on fire.
I stopped listening to the MSM in the 90s, when any piece of crap any right-wing degenerate said about Bill Clinton was headline news the next day.
Good thing the degenerates all turned into democrats this election season.
Were they not calling Bill a racist just recently?
My memory is kind of foggy……
Hey, that #&%tard was POW…have some respect.
we are talking about Barack Obama the fucktard you ignorant troll. Go shove your head up the a$$ that you fell out of.
you make me feel so pretty
i look forward to your ban. its inevitable and i will be enjoying it when it happens.
Here is the same package, released on Sept. 19 by McCain — three days ahead of BO’s claimed ‘first’ release of these points on Sept. 22:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/News/Speeches/9a604256-0519-46e6-a1ce-e70798b39ec2.htm
I just picked this up at Realclearpolitics … it says that ACORN is still in … does anyone know for sure?
ALERT – DEAL BREAKER AND THEY LIED
IN review of the bill I faound this (amoung a lot of other stuff:
TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.— (1) DEPOSITS.—Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2).
(2) USE OF DEPOSITS.—Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)— (A) 65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and
(B) 35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569).
The ACORN slush fund is Still In the bill. I repeat, the ACORN/La Raza slush fund has NOT been removed as was detailed yesterday.
This is all we need. I vote NO, we haven’t fixed the problem and we are funding criminal enterprises.
END of Review – let the house burn
Where do you see this info Beebop? Link>
It was a comment at Realclearpolitics … so that is why I came here. You guys are always up on this.
I can’t speak for Realclearpolitics, but this language is NOT in the current version of the bill.
Some folks are looking for links. Try this…the actual bill; go to
http://financialservices.house.gov/
a little slow today, no surprise
It’s an Acrobat .pdf file, in which anyone can search for key words, phrases. Easier if you just download the file and search on your own computer.
Section 110 is Assistance to Homeowners
NY Post article on BHO and Acorn;
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0
Check out this article on Obama and his campaign finance manager. I can only hope that the McCain campaign or perhaps some 527’s get the truth out about Obama and Penny Pritzker:
http://spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=13952
Some excerpts:
Which makes it all the more significant that Barack Obama has posted on his campaign website a naive and ignorant defense* of his campaign finance chair, Penny Pritzker, concerning her key leadership involvement in the largest bank failure in the 18 years between the last great banking crisis (the 1980s S&L debacle) and today’s even-more-massive banking crisis. The excuses, misdirections, and spin Senator Obama offers in defense of this billionaire failed bank executive are Pritzker spin from start to finish, and expose Obama’s profound inability to understand why banks fail and how to keep banks safe.
* * *
Seldom has the special access of the wealthy into the inner deliberations of a Presidential candidate been more clearly exposed by the candidate himself. Just as the press is “in the tank” for Obama, Obama is in the tank for Pritzker. And a man in the tank for Pritzker cannot keep our banks safe.
A Presidential candidate serious about understanding why banks fail ought to read the conclusions of the United States Department of Justice concerning the failure of the bank run by his own campaign fundraiser, before promoting that failed bank executive’s spin on his official campaign website for millions of Americans to be tricked by.
Does McCain really have a chance of winning this election with the biased MSM? I thought so, but Obama seems to be gaining ground. This is so frustrating. I’ve never really cared who one before. I’ve always felt that so long as it was a fair election, then whatever the majority wants, so be it. But the press coverage has been so lopsided on this election (and now that my eyes are open, I guess lopsided on many issues over many years). There is no way this can be a fair election. I comfort myself by saying that the moderates and independents don’t tend to follow blindly & will seek out the truth; but the polls after the debate aren’t showing that, are they?
For me this election is no longer about McCain vs Obama. Its about honesty and integrity and equal fairness in the MSM. Presidents come and go, but if we don’t deal with the MSM, then we are screwed.
Its rather funny, in a sad sick twisted way. Our founding fathers were so worried about the outside influence of foreign powers on our politics. Turns out that the greatest threat to our democracy is an unbridled, biased, self-interested, elitist main stream media. Ben Franklin must be turning over in his grave.
If McCain & the RNC have any hidden ammo, they had better get it out fast. Because if I’m getting sick to my stomach, I’m sure others are as well.
Does McCain have a chance? Yes.
But its not the biased MSM thats the main concern at the moment, no matter how they want to skew polls and claim obama leads by 6 points when the sample consists of 39% dems 32% independants and 28% republicans and an over sampling of african americans.
You would think with a disparity of 11% in dems versus republicans they would have more than a 6 point advantage in such skewed polls.
The main concern is election fraud compliments of acorn and the many pod people that work for them.
Make sure all your dead relatives are not registered to vote this year or they will be voting for Obama multiple times, by early voting, by absentee and by walk in.
McCain has a chance if people go to the polls and vote for him.
I will be doing so in VA, and I hope you will too. We cannot be the only two Virginians who feel this has gone too far.
Yeah I’m voting. I just called the Repub office to get a McPalin sign for the yard.
The polls are just disheartening. Maybe that is their purpose? To make us feel that casting our vote is a waste of time?
Lisa in VA: Commenter last night explained some of the biased polling techniques. Some include a “bias” assuming a greater Democratic turnout at the polls. Given that a) this may be a false assumption and that b) many Democrats will vote Republican this time around, a lot of the polling results don’t reflect actual attitudes. So - chin up, the polls you hear about could well be completely off base….
I tried to post this the other night but for some reason it didn’t post…
Student is arrested for asking questions about Brezenski role in Obama campaign.
http://www.sodahead.com/blog/17485/
Wow, between this outrage, the disgraceful attempts to squelch free speech in Missouri, attempts to silence the NRA, outlawing any signs at an Obama rally on a North Carolina university campus, the constant refrain by Obama surrogates over the airwaves that everyone is “lying” about Obama with no one challenging them, it’s clear that Obama and his campaign have studied the tactics of Alinsky and Hitler and are putting them into action.