Know that you are not alone….I am very very frightened…and I am surprise how many American just take these freedoms for granted…they think horrors cannot happen here! Even when its occuring right under their noses. Such people don’t deserve this country…and certainly won’t deserve the loyalty of those who invariably end up fighting and putting their lives on the line to protect THEM…..those stupid low life, uneducated, unsophisticated, nazi Marines/military eh?

TRy to keep you spirits up….America needs you to keep educating and shaking these brain-dead idiots out of their dangerous trance….great Job!

What is great is that finally non-corrupt thoughtful Democrats are having civil conversations with conservative….you see we have much more in common than the MSM would have anyone believe….those rats are responsible for positioning us at each others throats over the stupidest things. The most important similarity we have in common is our desire to see America prosper, be strong, and our desire to see threats to our democracy destroyed.

Peace to you all

For the first time in my adult life I am really truly and deeply afraid for my country. I truly believe the rise of these fascists threatens the very foundations of our great union.

Those who do not value freedom, are not willing to fight for freedom, are not willing to die for their freedoms do not deserve it.

May god have mercy on our souls if Barack Obama is elected.

For the first time in my adult life, i am scared for my country.

What we have in the far north is an early warning system. It was put there because a missile attack from former Soviet Union would have been transpolar. Look at a globe.

The proximity of Alaska’s border to eastern Siberia–a vast, endless stretch of uninhabitable tundra, has nothing to do with anything. A Russian army couldn’t attack us from there.

I would hope Sarah Palin realizes she’s talking total nonsense. It’s possible she doesn’t, given the deplorable state of our educational system.

Helping the Little guy is the hope.

Helping themselves to slush funds and kickbacks is the change.

Hows that for burning away the minutia in the harsh crucible of simplicity work for you?

Pocket Change you can believe in.

So you’re blaming the 2008 financial crisis on what the democrats did from 1938 to 1970, and on President Clinton for signing a 1999 deregulation bill that had such overwhelming republican support that it was veto-proof legislation.

I can certainly see how this leads directly to the conclusion that the entire mess is Barack Obama’s fault.

WRT PD, one needs some residual intelligence and conscience to acknowledge a brighter idea when it is spoken/written….PD is a brainless, animal who thinks Obama will pay for his trailor rent and food….what do you expect from and animal conditioned to jump when carrot is dangled in front of his face?

That’s what I meant earlier in our discussion: let the Collectivist/atheist zealots chip away at the moral fabric until none is left….and presto brown-shirt idiots are what you get.

why do you think they’ve been attacking even the most mild aspects of morality and religion for 40+ years? This country is becoming an idiot factory just like any other collectivist state.

McCain and Bush are nearly identical. They hold the same positions on both foreign and domestic policy. They’re both advocates of the same failed economic policies. They both tell the working and middle classes whatever they want to hear, while favoring the wealthy at every opportunity.

You know I agree fully that fascism has no bounds but suspiciously and incorrectly it has been placed/described within the the “extreme right” of the modern ideological spectrum of Left and Right Politics. This Leftist version of our history has been falsely accepted as truth however, even when close examination of the facts from that period squarely and clearly show Fascism was an radical socialist experiment and not a right wing phenomena–very similar in nature to Communism and Hitlerism.

My other point was to show how terrible distorted our conception of past and current events are. Do distorted that it impacts us very negatively till this day. Until this myth is dispelled, we will never have progress in this (country and I even speculate that it will cause the fall of Western Civilizaton). We must start taking back our history and ownership of our politic through unresentlful and open dialogue. The fear of the
evil “right wing” must stop.

We all must start understanding why this falsehood has been promulgated a truth throughout the world or we will never trust one another nor will we be able to work together to find solutions.

It must be understood by all that religion. especially christianity is not to blame for the worlds largest atrocities but rabid atheism/collectivism (the thing that Hilter, Stalin, Musso, pol pot, Mao, etc had in common) is to blame…..this falacy must be dispelled.

Calling peopole fascist was started by communists/Stalinist and than most Western Leftists after WW2 to desribe a dissenting opinion—done in order to shut down communications.

Yes there are religious zealots but we must give christianity its dues nevertheless …..it helped form our modern notion of Individual rights, Democracy, and respect for life (and I am an agnostic…not a christian myself). Denying this will only cause the erosion of our beloved system and freedoms and replace it with rabid atheism…an inflexible and dangerous ideal in itself because it’s underlying premis is that human have the power of God. This country was created based on the opposite….suggesting no man has the power of God and it hence not evil but untrustworthy/uncorruptible over long periods of time….hence democracy

You see I’m think social programs, even some taxes are essential to keep society vibrant, healthy and cohesive..yet, I am very suspicious of todays “socialist” because they are zealots in their disdain and determination to destroy christianity, our traditions, our constitution, and our families…..these are imperatives of Democracy whether one likes it or not these things keep our democracy humane and livable because it focuses the responsiblity for ones happiness on one’s self not the State. All human need a sense of responsibility and need to develope through some hardship in order to develop a health sense of self and emotional stability….take this away these structures you have animals that will listen to anyone and do anything it takes to get what they need. Why do you think the Obama Communists love destroying these ties, values, and sense of consciousnes….ending up with crime and meyham in the streets, and fear…because such people will do/vote for anybody who promises money and peace; they’re desperate and have no morals

Thats my fear….and my studies suggest that historically the democrat party tends to produce such zealots….eager to experiment with unproven social ideas.

There has been a revolution for 200 + years between secularism and christianity….it produced many positive things but just as religion may take it too far, so can secularism.

There is so much we haven’t been allowed to talk about int he public forum…this must stop and we must take our history, constitution, and freedom of speech/religion/vote more seriously!

THANK YOU FOR YOU THOUGHTFUL REPLY “JEREMIAH GOD…”

In a bombing that took place on February 16, 1970, and that was credited to the Weathermen at the time, a pipe bomb filled with heavy metal staples and lead bullet projectiles was set off on the ledge of a window at the Park Station of the San Francisco Police Department. In the blast, Brian V. McDonnell, a police sergeant, was fatally wounded while Robert Fogarty, another police officer, received severe wounds to his face and legs and was partially blinded.

Weatherman leader Bernardine Dohrn has been suspected of involvement in the February 16, 1970, bombing of the Park Police Station in San Francisco. At the time, Dohrn was said to be living with a Weatherman cell in a houseboat in Sausalito, California, unnamed law enforcement sources later told KRON-TV. An investigation into the case was reopened in 1999, and a San Francisco grand jury looked into the incident, but no indictments followed, and no one was ever arrested for the bombing. An FBI informant, Larry Grathwohl, who successfully penetrated the organization from the late summer of 1969 until April 1970, later testified to a U.S. Senate subcommittee that Bill Ayers, then a high-ranking member of the organization and a member of its Central Committee (but not then Dohrn’s husband), had said Dohrn constructed and planted the bomb. Grathwohl testified that Ayers had told him specifically where the bomb was placed (on a window ledge) and what kind of shrapnel was put in it. Grathwohl said Ayers was emphatic, leading Grathwohl to believe Ayers either was present at some point during the operation or had heard about it from someone who was there. In a book about his experiences published in 1976, Grathwohl wrote that Ayers, who had recently attended a meeting of the group’s Central Committee, said Dohrn had planned the operation, made the bomb and placed it herself. In 2008, author David Freddoso commented that “Ayers and Dohrn escaped prosecution only because of government misconduct in collecting evidence against them”.

Dohrn was convicted and sent to prison (in relation to the Brink’s holdup in which her compadres murdered two police officers and a Brink’s guard) in 1982. The false IDs used by the murderers were traced to a business Dohrn managed.

Dorn was convicted for refusing to testify, saying that she did not believe in Grand Juries (she teaches law at an Illinois university).

Last night, I watched a 25 minute video of a speech given in late 2007 given by Dohrn and Ayers. In it, Dohrn states that she does not believe in capitalism. Ayers calls himself a communist and an anarchist.

It’s my understanding that 0bama grandfather and Davis were ‘drinking buddies.’ One of 0bama’s poems alludes to his grandfather’s drinking, so my guess is that his father had what we used to term, ‘a drinking problem,.’ known today as an alchoholic.

I get the impression that 0bama was introduced to Davis because the grandfather thought that Davis, being black, could serve as ethnic identification for the young Barack who had no black role models. It was Hawaii, after all. Not a significant AA community on the island.

I could be wrong, but I think the motives were innocent on the grandfather’s part. And he had no way of really knowing that Davis was, on top of everything else, a pedophile.

It seems as though his mother and grandparents were loners. And so far there are no friends or even relatives that can speak to their associations. Sure they could have been members of the Communist Party or certainly have had a passing interest. Of course, that doesn’t jibe with his grandmother’s employment at a bank. So I tend to feel that it was more his mother who was political. I’m sure after their daughter’s pregnancy from an African man, and bearing a biracial child, was no inducement for them to be particularly sociable. They seem as if they were alienated from the community to a large extent.

Someone on the other thread scoffed and scolded anyone advancing a ‘Manchurian Candidate’ theory. It’s popular dismiss people who buy into a conspiracy theory since the whole idea is that it’s a theory based on circumstancial evidence as opposed to hard factual evidence. But in most cases, such theories do have some bite.

In 0bama’s case, there seems to be too long a list of coincidental ties in his past:

Davis, a communist from Chicago, acquainted with Thomas Ayers, Bill Ayers’s dad; Ayers, alleged to have been hiding out in Hawaii when he was on the lam; Davis, mentor to a young 0bama, who went to Occidental College, coincidentally around the time Ayers was also in the area; 0bama transferring to Columbia University, while Ayers was doing graduate work at Bank Street College, only 4 blocks from Columbia; Ayers goes to Chicago, 0bama goes to Chicago; 0bama works with Ayers and kicks off one of his earlier campaigns at Ayers’ house.

Then 0bama’s past shrouded in mystery. No transcripts, and not being remembered by any students who were at Columbia at the same time.

Add to that the Birth Certificate issues, no medical records, tax returns, well, all of these things make it easy to buy into the idea that something’s up.

What’s that quote about coincidence?

“Once, happenstance, twice, coincidence, three times enemy in action.”

The polls are just disheartening. Maybe that is their purpose? To make us feel that casting our vote is a waste of time?