Thursday Debate Rigged with Biased Moderator
By Matthew Weaver on October 1, 2008 at 6:37 PM in Barack Obama, Current Affairs, Joe Biden, Media Bias, Sarah Palin
Debate moderator Gwen Ifill has a conflict of interest and bias that is as obvious as it is arrogant. She is entrusted by the Commission on Presidential Debates to host a “a professional and nonpartisan” debate. But, in reality, Ifill goes to the debate with personal, professional, and financial motives to rig the debate against Governor Palin, whom she has already expressed bias against. Rig is not strong enough. Gwen Ifill will make money by throwing the debate to Senator Biden.
Gwen Ifill has written a pro-Obama book, The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama. Not only is this book billed as “shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama’s stunning presidential campaign,” it is scheduled to be released on January 20, 2009, Inauguration Day!
Ifill is a master drinker of Obama Cult Kool-Aid:
- Questioned recently about her biases, Ifill is quoted by the Washington Post saying, “no one’s ever assumed a white reporter can’t cover a white candidate.” But what about a “reporter” who has a personal, professional, and financial stake?!
- Ifill disingenuously observed when asked about the debate, that “I’m not running for anything.” Yet, she is selling a book!
- “Despite the protestations of her colleagues that she will be fair, Ifill has appeared on numerous radio and TV talk shows over the past several months to cash in on her access to the Obama campaign. She recently penned a fawning cover story on the Obamas for Essence magazine that earned much buzz. The title? “The Obamas: Portrait of an American Family.”—Michelle Malkin
- Anne Belle, spokeperson for Ifill’s PBS program, “The NewsHour” said “The book has been a known factor for months, so I’m not sure what the big deal is.”
- Gwen Ifill herself wrote August that “The Obama generation is just beginning its run.”—Time on August 21, 2008
Early this morning, Greta Van Susteren reported at Fox News that “the McCain campaign did NOT know about Gwen Ifill’s book.”
Later in the day, Senator McCain observed in a FOX News interview that Ifill’s book was “not helpful,” but he took the high road and said that he trusted that Ifill would be professional. Not unsurprisingly, some in the MSM and pro-Obama blogs, such as Greg Sargent at TPM, omit noting that McCain said her pro-Obama book was unhelpful and ill-timed. Michael Calderone at Politico and Carl Cameron at FOX News have offered more challenging questions about the matter. (See Politico for coverage on both.) Governor Palin, for her part, said that she was “not gonna let it be a concern.”
In the understatement of the day, Juan Williams of NPR and FOX News said:
“Clearly her books aren’t going to do as well unless Obama wins, so it looks like she has some investment, literally, in one candidate or the other. And she’s supposed to be sitting there as a neutral arbiter during the debate,” said NPR’s Juan Williams, a FOX News contributor. “I think the world of Gwen Ifill but I know there’s a perception problem.”–FOX News.
This is a mockery of the necessary impartiality of debate hosts.
Earlier today, I asked if the debate commission and both parties know about Ifill’s pro-Obama book and if she disclosed it to them. NPR’s Mara Liasson, who spoke with Fox News’s Brit Hume this evening, noted that Gwen Ifill has stated that she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about her book. The Commission has not made any comment on the matter.
In marketing the book timed to release on Inauguration Day, Gwen Ifill and her publisher have published the following on YouTube:
Why would anyone think Gwen Ifill can be unbiased in questioning the two VP candidates as she has a clear personal, professional, and financial stake in seeing that Biden does well and that Obama wins in November?
Further, Gwen Ifill has a clear disdain for Governor Palin. Note her report at the Republican Convention:
To be fair, the book was not a complete secret. In fact, it was noted on September 3rd in a Washington Post as a footnote, “Ifill is working on a book called ‘Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama’. She focuses on the Democratic nominee. …” And even though Ifill apparently made no secret of her upcoming book, until today none of the recent major news articles on the debate disclosed Ifill’s clear conflict of interest.
As I wrote earlier, however late the date, Gwen Ifill’s unmistakable conflict of interest should disqualify her. It is to the discredit of the Commission for Presidential Debates that, despite her conflict of interest and rather clear support of Obama, Ifill was chosen to moderate the debate. It is also disappointing to see that the MSM is either ignoring the conflict of interest or not inquisitive enough to put two-and-two together when the information is right in front of them.
What can we do? Be a squeaky wheel and write or call the Commission on Presidential Elections and their sponsors:
- Commission on Presidential Debates at (202) 872-1020
- Janet H. Brown, Executive Director of the Debates Commission, at jb@debates.org
- Frank Fahrenkopf, Co-Chairman, no contact info
- Paul Kirk, Co-Chairman, no contact info
Sponsors (Thanks to Tamra Lahav)
- EDS, contact Christine Krumbholz, (972) 605-4658
- Anheuser-Busch, Inc., (800) 342-5283
- BHH New York, (212) 242-9242
- Howard G Buffett Foundation, contact Allen D. Greenberg, Director, Decatur, IL 62525-4508
- Sheldon S. Cohen, Esq., CPA, (202) 530-5600, (800) 390-3277, sscohen@farrmiller.com
- Director, International Bottled Water Association (IBWA), (703) 683-5213, Information Hotline: 1-800-WATER-11, ibwainfo@bottledwater.org
- The Kovler Fund, no contact info found
- Kaiser Family FoundationHeadquarters, (650) 854-9400
- Washington, D.C. Office/Public Affairs Center, (202) 347-5270
- YWCA USA, (202) 467-0801, advocacy@ywca.org, communications@ywca.org, or info@ywca.org
Please be respectful! For example,
Is it the commission’s position that Gwen Ifill can be non-partisan in the debate Thursday when she has a new pro-Obama book set to publish Inauguration Day? She has a clear personal, professional, and financial motive to make sure that Biden wins the debate and that Obama wins the election. It is discrediting to your organization that you have her slated to moderate. I recommend and ask that you replace Ms. Ifill with someone who does not have a clear, unmistakable conflict of interest.
Note: If you have updates to these contacts or others to share, please add them to the list or email matthew@theindependentview.com.
I’d bet Dan Quayle is happy Sarah Palin has reset the bar.
MikeG, how can you support all your girlfriends and children on $7.00/Hr? Amazing how ya do it.
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exactly Mike! Do you have any idea what is really going on or just like shooting off your mouth?
You see Mike, you didn’t complement Sara – that makes you a no-no on this site. Remember, you have to hate Obama and Biden and lie like a rug about them. otherwise you are a troll.
In fact, NO ONE has even said that the book is so pro-Obama. Just because she is African American it means her book is only complementary to Obama?
Every single news person has made the claim that Gwen is NOT partisan and would not be biased in her interview. And the book is NO SECRET and never has been. Dumb for the McCain people not to note this???? why did they agree to the debate with her as a moderator? McCain himself said he was not concerned about it.
Fox News can just stuff it….how you can listen to those bigotted slimy comentators is beyond me…..yuchhhhhh
I think all the question marks meant mike didn’t see. Unfortunately your answer did nothing to explain the low pay.
Sarah Palin told the truth about Obama in he speech at the convention. The first words out of Gwen Ifill’s mouth were “Sarah Palin belittled Barack Obama”. Yeah, right, no bias there.
Susan:
Mike has another alternative,
He can stop giving to PBS during pledge week, as can we all.
Ifill should with draw before her deception does further damage to her cause.
I think he’s saving for an introduction to a moyle.
bop,
you got game…
LOL!!!
The ‘bot is so dumb, he/she doesn’t even know what you’re talking about!
I thought trolls were Asexual?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asexual_reproduction
till then — Mike G still lives with his mom — so he doesn’t have to worry about money.
Nah Quayle became happy the lowering of the bar was achieved at its lowest it could ever possibly be when Obama stole the DNP nomination being so stupid at least Quayle knows there aren’t 57 States and Quayle knows where the Great Lakes are unlike Odumbi
Was it a mistake or a slip of the tongue:
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is the second largest inter-governmental organization after the United Nations. The OIC is made up of 57 Islamic States covering four continents.
Or it could have been that there were 57 primaries and caucuses in the Democratic presidential nomination universe! Maybe that’s it! This was the set of contests recently where Obama won the nomination. I don’t really remember who he beat – someone called Henrietta Cliptone or something.
imagine that, the same number of states NObama thinks there are.
WAKE UP!!!!!
Bingo! I always thought it was code speak.
No wonder he doesn’t want his passport information known.
Ahem, are you implying that Senator Obama needed almost two years to gain a rudimentary grasp of the issues and that he got his ass kicked in twenty odd primary debates?
Or that not one major print or television medium made any jokes AT ALL at Mr. Obama’s expense even though there was cornucopia of material, while McCain, Clinton and Palin are daily fodder for the same?
I’m afraid some would consider that racist.
Some idiots, that is.
Mel
That’s correct.
Sen Obama DID NOT win the Democratic primary he stole it-along with the help of the DNC.
View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
Superdelegates votes can not count until convention
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
This is excellent site too…
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Obama & Vote Theft
Obama’s Acorn people spent $800,000 to get him same day registration but Ken Blackwell assures us that nothing will be amiss hmm wasn’t Blackwell the one who stole the election for the Republicans? The word is McCain’s Campaign is thinking of taking this to the Supreme Court. If Obama gets same day registration this will be a total debacle.
More heartbreaking videos.
The DNC timed the convention to coincide with the anniversary of MLK’s speech.
Hillary would have been public enemy #1 if she had taken the nomination, which was rightfully hers. I hate Obama’s guts.
It’s time to clean house and take out the garbage:
Obama
Soros
Acorn
Pelosi
Dean
Reid
Mike G,
Dan Quayle is not smart. Governor Palin is intelligent, smart, kind, polite and inspiring. You think she is dump because you are brain washed by the biased media.
“You think she is dump”
I never called her “dump”, not as hot as Tina Fey (a little too chunky), but not “dump.”
Mike G,
I was wrong. YOU, no one else is an idiot.
Obama has caused the bar to hit the floor.
Matthew-
Excellent article. I will cross post this too.
Mike G
Your comment is off topic about Gov Palin and Dan Quayle.
You can’t comment on this most excellent article written by Mr Weaver…can you?
I didnt think so.
Please tell me who you plan on voting for as president.
I am not voting for Sen Obama- here is just a HIGHLIGHT of the many reasons that I will not vote for Sen Obama.
Learn about the real Gov Palin & what she has accomplished in Alaska
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt6VzuseI30
Now,
Learn about the real Sen Obama and what he has accomplished in Chicago
Watch this chilling video.
Dear Mr. Obama: Who Are You?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4
This video is based 100 % on easily verifiable facts.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer (2008)
http://cbs4denver.com/national/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810882.html
Sen Obama’s ACTUAL Legislative Accomplishments:
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
I highly doubt that you can respond to facts presented in these videos and articles either
Mike G.
Have a great evening.
Oh, kee-rist! You are NOT spamming those Dear Mr Obama videos again?
dear readers, do yourselves a favor and skip their boring assdom. Someone is trying to get them to go viral without a full grasp on focus and editing.
Zee,
Cant refute anything in the video can you.
I didnt think so.
I agree! She really is a preposterous veep candidate: she knows even less than your average 16 year old about the history and geography of this country. Heard the latest? McCain’s campaign is going to force Bristol and Trig to get married to take all eyes off their terrible campaign, make people go “aaaaahhh” and all vote for them.
Sexual innuendo and the trashing of a disabled infant and a teenager.
Obama and his supporters are going to heal this country?
How? By implying all who disagree are inbred racists and mocking the elderly and disabled?
This is the best and brightest of America? These are the people mocking Palin for her lack of Ivy League degree?
That’s change. A change of cruelty, disdain, and attacking others not like you. Wasn’t Obama against attacking folks simply because they were different? What about his overtly right wing, ant-gay Faith and Family values Tour?
But I guess none of that counts.
What does this rant have to do with anything I said?
I think forcing 2 people who clearly made a hash of things and who don’t really like each other to marry for the sake of Mom’s career is disgusting. But, mind you, Palin had her own shotgun wedding too and that turned out OK. Still, planning a hasty wedding so McCain can galvanize a few votes is morally outrageous.
You are FOS and even Obama, in his best moment, said to LAY OFF THE PREGNANT UNWED TEEN, as HIS OWN MOM WAS, TOO.
But stay classy, Martin. You can’t even pick up a clue when your own messiah gives it to you.
How you know that’s the case? Do you know them personally? Heck everyone in Palin’s hometown knew her daughter was pregnant. They figured Palin’s daughter and boyfriend would get married at some point.
You joked about Palin’s daughter, a teenager, and her son, a disabled infant getting married for political gain. You think that’s funny? Those of us who have/had disabled family members aren’t laughing. That’s just cruel.
But you couldn’t resist. Because you holier than thou Obama supporters don’t do that kind of thing. Except when you do.
How do you people know all of this info about Palin’s family? What are your sources? You all sound as credible as the morons who indulge in celebrity gossip on a regular basis.
Read the tabloids much?
The obots are being nothing more than “good little nazis” following BO in much the same way the German people followed Hitler and for many of the same reasons.
PUMA’s are those who learned from history and will do all that we can to make certain we don’t repeat it.
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Good. That kind of talk has no business in main stream society anymore. The days of girls gone wild and Bratz Dolls are over. Deck the first guy or gal who says that kind of crap to you.
Martin,
What do you think of Mr Weaver’s article
” Thursday Debate Rigged with Biased Moderator”.
Can you refute anything that Mr Weaver has written?
Didnt think so.
athy — If I were Palin — I would say to Ifill — I’m sure you are aware of the criticism Ms. Ifill — which is going around Republican circles that you won’t treat me fairly because you support Obama. However, I’m sure you’re going to be fair hmmmmmm.
From jimtreacher.com
Too funny.
Ha! Have you read the testing scores for high school students? How about “Don’t Know Much About History”? I think you are giving high school kids too much credit. Gov. Palin at least knows where Alaska and Russia are. Ask the “average” high school student and prepare for a mouth dropping answer. At least she’s not an alcoholic like Sen. Biden.
Martin — Governor Palin is driving the Obamabots crazy because she is the real deal. You guys have a real problem with women don’t you?
They really do hate women. Well, strong women anyway. It is so obvious, they’re not even trying to hide it, that’s the most amazing part!
Bristol is Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter, Trig is Sarah Palin’s baby that has Down’s Syndrome. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound by rattling off insults and you don’t even know who you’re talking about? I guess your bot talking points are shorting out, you need to go back to the Obammmunist base for reprogramming
McCain/Palin ‘08
Obammunist – No We Won’t!
Why don’t you come back Thursday night and try to tell us the same thing..
I love people that underestimate!!
where is soetorobama’s ex-girlfriends>
????
Did he have any???
How come the media can come up with Palin in a Beauty contest in the 80’s but not one peep from a former flame??
FLAME ??
There is a link to sign a petition on Ace
of Spades HQ blog.
Did you see this over there?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UhXaE_XL_8
I’ll tell you what if these people really believe Obama is Jesus, then he is the definition of an Anti-Christ. A deceiver and carries with him an agenda from Hell. I believe there have been many throughout history. Jesus never hid his past, or where he came from. He never lied, or endangered people’s lives. He would never have allowed newborn infants to lay in a soiled linen room till their death.
I am a Christian and just in the little bit I know about him, I would never say he is Jesus or my savior. He’d have to be more than just a good orator. This is just unbelievable.
And we’re worried about who will host a debate?
I know the parable of the seeds…
Here’s other’s that warn of false prophets.
Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (Matthew 7:15)
“And what sadness is ahead for those praised by the crowds – for false prophets have always been praised!” Luke 6:26
Yet those other men keep telling you how wonderful they are, so here I go. You think you are so wise – yet you listen gladly to those fools; you don’t mind at all when they make you their slaves and take everything you have, and take advantage of you, and put on airs, and slap you in the face. I’m ashamed to say that I’m not bold and daring like them!” – 2 Corinthians 11:16-21
“The ancient prophets who preceded you and me spoke against many nations, always warning of war, famine and plague. So a prophet who foretells peace has the burden of proof on him to prove that God has really sent him.” (Jeremiah) 28:8-9
I just am at a loss for words. Since this campaign started the media and people are just in a cult like trance. It certainly has changed our life. WE don’t watch any TV at all but FOX. WE don’t go to any movies anymore as Hollywood is a joke. Ultra Liberals. I cancelled most of my magazines because they are in the tank for Obama. Since Hillary got treated so poorly I have started giving money and support for the first time in my life to the REpublicans!!! I cannot stand to hear or look at the media or Obama!!
“WE don’t watch any TV at all but FOX.”
Dick Cheney would be so proud.
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This doesn’t include you, Mike.
Mike G,
What you need to do now is to report to Obama’s headquarters that you can not win on the Noquarter site, and ask them to assign you a easier job.
You’re an ass, Mike. Dick…
Cheney would be so proud of…….O.
Annein
Sounds like you, like almost all Americans are disgusted by Cheney.
Cheney is not for Obama.
Cheney loves Fox, has stated that he he only watches Fox News.
I’m disgusted by people that trash the disabled. Especially infants. You Mike G, Mr. purer than pure, have no problem with that. Right?
…Along with most of the 18 million Hillary supporters – it may not be the best, but FOX has beat out every other network in equity & fairness by every media watchdog organization. They certainly have established credibility over the corrupt MSNBC & CNN, NBC & CBS.
Gawd, I hate Obama supporters almost as much as I hate Obama.
And yeah Larse, that’s about it. But there are a lot of us so someone’s feeling the pain.
By the way, how much more can Obozo look and sound like a run of the mill political hack? He was always a caricature of himself. Now looks like he’s going for a slimly-con-man-turned-candidate thing. Must be all that flesh pressing he’s doing.
That reminds me, what ever happened to Larry Sinclair?
Yea, I am the same way. I have been against the republicans all my adult life. But after what happened this year. I decided to vote straight republican and have also contributed to the republican party. Not as much as I gave to Kerry but that also has to do with the fact that I don’t have as much money.
You republican shills give it up. Those of us dedicated to CLEANING UP our own party in a way ALL you rethugs failed to do, are voting Dem downticket (well, unless we have turncoats like Kerry on our ticket).
The point is not to become a BRAINLESS THUG BOT, as you seem willing to promote, but to vote the candidate.
zee — I have voted Democratic for 44 years and I changed my party affiliation this year. I will not vote for a party who decided to wait on this crisis while people were losing homes and savings — because they thought it would be a good Fall issue. Straight Republican ticket for me too. So you think we are all Republican shills — you’re half right — we will be Republican shills in the future.
Mc..
These bots just don’t get the wrath they will pay…
I have voted straight dem for 24 years after once being a Reagan democrat.
My mother has voted straight democrat since she campaigned for Adlai Stevenson in 1952.
My mother and I are finished with the democrat party.
They represent absolutely the worst in America today.
I think you speak for a lot of us. Despite my far-left politics, the most neutral cultural spaces seem to be those on the right, which I find very perplexing!!
kal — interesting that the Republican Party has become the party of the people while Obama does the Hitler thing with little children. He makes me want to vomit.
Why don’t they just ask Donna “I’m undeclared” Brazille to do the next one too. I’m so friggin’ fed up with this BS media trying to (unconvincingly) mask their love for Barry soetoro. Enough already.
Larse,
I don’t watch TV any more except Fox either. I only watch British films and series I get from Netflix. This election has turned many lives upside down. I now see that having toed the party line for over thirty years, since I first voted in 1972, that the Democrats are just as corrupt as Republicans, and that this year the only Party I trust is the Republican. What a laugh considering how corrupt they are. I’m never voting straight party lines again.
Please know that you are not alone. I fearfully switch to MSNBC sometimes, but cannot stay more than a min…with Tweety he seems to be screeching, so I take flight after approx 1 sec. Olbermann and Andrea Mitchell are no-nos, Campbell Brown seems like a witch hell bent on a midnight mission….it’s crazieeeee!!!!!!
Larse,
During the cultural revolution in China, everything was so absolutely twisted that no one knew what was right, what was wrong. That students killed teachers were not wrong. That the Red Guards burned down your house was not wrong. That parents were sent to a re-educational camp thousands miles away from their children was not wrong.
There are many things so twisted now. It seems to me that right or wrong is only determined by whether you are an O people. For example, O people told you that the way Sarah Palin has been treated is not wrong, even if it is deadly wrong.
So I have to think that Gwen Ifill’s book will be saying that black politicians are doing the same thing as Obama in a whole different ways. Oh, I get it. Black politicians are going to run corrupted campaigns and making deals with shady characters in order to get them to finance their campaigns. Is that what her book is all about or what?
So will she be describing all the shady deals that Obama has engaged in his way to get his political seats? And will she be describing all the other black politicians imitating Obama doing? Well then that will be an interesting book.
Sounds like you don’t need to read past the jacket cover to get the whole books worth. I can’t imagine what the “age of Obama” is all about that we haven’t seen already. It is reminding me of that old 70’s song “age of aquarius” … “This is the dawning of the Age of Obamicus… the Age of Obamacus… Obamacus… Obamacus.
Oh stop it, now that song is going to be in my head all night…Obamicus..O bam i cus….
O bam…..I cuss!
because of all the flips and flops he does
good analysis…does the book have Kilpatrick’s corruption as his means to be Detroit Mayor?? I have to wonder…what exactly would be so positive about this?
if its about his accomplishments, how do u just sell a book cover?
there’s already a book like that:
http://www.obamaresearch.com/
Apparently Gwen has plagarized!
Thank you for the actions! I will be respectful. I just can’t believe this.
`Don’t expect Ifil to be replaced, I don’t know that we want her replaced, but do pump the story. Email news outlets and instead of attacking them for not covering it, ask them what is going on with this story, you are interested and have been looking for coverage. If McCain were playing it like Obama they would get something leaked that Palin may refuse to attend, then deny it. Anything to keep it in the press.
You know, I’d be hard pressed to come up with a public figure to take Ifill’s place who isn’t biased.
Agreed….even Anderson Cooper, the now proven sexist,….is taking potshots at her.
(He’s a vile closet sexist and Obamacrush lover, after he made a spectacle out of himself screeching about the man who made the Curious George Obama tee shirt, while not a WORD on C.U.N.T. and Bros before Hos, etc etc)
clara — thats what I was thinking. Its a damn shame when every reporter has drunk the kool aid. It might be interesting to watch Ifill do the smirk thing when she asks Palin a question. It will show people once again what a nasty bunch this media is to this wonderful woman. Ifill isn’t fit to shine Palin’s shoes.
and today Warren Buffet buys $3Billion of GE preferred stock, yes,
the company that owns NBC, the National Barack Company.
nice way to make the network happy for your candidate, Warren.
Fuck you Warren Buffet, GE products will never grace my home again.
Why, because Hillary was defeated? You *really* ought to get a hobby, or a partner or something.
Just changing your statement to reflect the truth.
Who cheated her? She lost the primary. Effectively the day she came 3rd in Iowa. The writing was on the wall since then. You really ought to get over this. It’s beginning to look unhealthy. And people talk about Obama being a Messiah her. Good heavens! People worship Henrietta Cliptone here!
LOL take your own advice. You were the one that brought Hillary into it.
I agree. It was obvious the fix was in for Obama after Iowa.
martin — you mean like your hobby — supporting a lying fraud. Not interested.
If Ifil’s book, which none of us has read, is going to be so slanted for Obama, why is she waiting until Election Day before making it public?
One word: MONEY
There are people who think Obama will lose, thus seriously cramping Ifil’s take. So If she brings the book out now, especially considering all the free publicity it’s been getting, she stands to make considerably more. Also if the book is pro-Obama and does indeed persuade people to vote for him, her chances increase of making even more money.
Mike you don’t understand publishing marketing. She wants to be the First One to release a book about The One on the symbolic Inauguration Day. It’s worth the risk to her. It is ALL about the money. She’ll make millions if this pans out for her.
Still think she’s impartial?
“Still think she’s impartial?”
She will be fair, and John McCain agrees with that assessment.
Bots are the mirror image of the Bush fanatics. I remember them mindlessly chanting with religious zeal “flip-flop, flip-flop” when Bush was running against Kerry.
Now we have mindless idiots chanting “O-bam-a.”
It was disgusting then and it’s disgusting now.
I think there is also this issue:
If she has any wish to maintain some semblance of “unbiased” newsreporter, someone who is not trying to influence news as it happens, then she can’t release the book now for the simple reason that it has the “appearance” of bias. This is especially true of a reporter for PBS, which receives money from the government. In fact, her TV contract would most likely forbid it.
Please don’t misconstrue these remarks to in any way be a defense of this deceitful “reporter” or her employers. They should all rot in the same hell as Halliburton execs.
Good point. There may be some time restrictions, ethical or otherwise, but the end result will be a huge profit for her if BO wins.
Because it would then be the first book released about President Obama…Honestly are you truly this dense or is it merely an act?
I just look forward to reading about her book being pulled after Obama loses by the widest margin in US Presidential election history!
Yes I’ll look for it on the clearance shelf in Border’s. 60% off.
I’d look for them in a landfill along with all the flags from the “patriotic Obamaphiles”
No, 95% off at Books-A-Million or free with any purchase.
Optional reading material/asswipe for porta-potties…
Not election day, inaugeration day, Jan. 20, 2009. First day of O’s presidency.
God help us then.
This is biased and unfair. However, I believe Palin will do just fine anyway. The media has gone and lowered the expectations of her so darn far, all she has to do is speak in complete sentances and she’s exceeded expectations.
Biden unfortunately has had the bar raised so high, he’s going to have a tough time living up to it.
The key will be to take control of the debate… and take the discourse away from the planned questions. Yes take the question… turn it into a dialogue that you want. Don’t worry if Ifill likes it or not… the more Biden gets mad the better. Palin can break him, I just know it.
“take the discourse away from the planned questions”
Then when the moderator says “answer the question please” she can act all hurt, start crying, and say “you’re biased, boohoo, boohoo.” The bottom feeding 27% will feel sorry for Sarah and vote for her.
Sounds like a great plan — if only idiots were allowed to vote.
Well, you’re voting, aren’t you?
Or she could do what Obama did – wait for Hillary to answer the question and then say “Yeah, what she said”.
When she is not told what to say, she does well. The only thing Sarah has to learn to say and don’t listen to the Republican party is to be “herself”. Like she did with HH radio interview. She was funny, smart and witty. If she doesn’t know the questions (and I am sure that this black woman has her quotes from the Obama’s camp as to what to say) she should just say ” Look, I am not familiar with that- and I am sure if I make it up- the liberal media will be bashing me tomorrow- so I will say to the audience “I don’t know the answer to that- maybe Mr. Biden who has been in the senate since I have been in kindergarten might know the answer. But…I am willing to learn as your Vice President if the people elect me…
That is the kind of things she should say and we find delightfully funny and more people will see the humor in her. Oh…I am sure that the liberal media will be spinning over and over this-but she warn the public- so it will make them look foolish.
Ifill should excuse herself. She is ideologically biased and has monetary interest in the outcome of the election. That she did not excuse herself proved that how unethical and unprofessional she is. No wonder Hannity said that the journalists in this country are dead.
I think we ought to have Rush Limbaugh or Anne Coulter moderate the next debate. It would have the same liklihood of impartiality.
Pretty funny.
But seriously, there actually are dimwits out there who need Ann and Rush to tell them what they think.
And then there are those like you who need Axelrod to tell them what to say for $0.05 per posting for Odumbi!
Unlike you, who waits for it’s orders from the mothership. All hail Obamicus and HIS great Overlord Soros.
But, you don’t deny that Ifill will be biased against Palin. Imagine the screeching that would come from the left if any well known McCain shill was moderating debate. No matter what their reputation as a journalist is otherwise, if they were known to be rooting for McCain and it was known they would profit financially if McCain won, the left would scream bloody murder about it.
It is wrong to pretend she will be impartial. She is an idiot if she is capable of hiding her preference. Her behavior after Palin’s speech at the Republican convention demonstrated her complete lack of objectivity and decorum.
Yes – we are all living in the Twilight Zone and …it’s not good. We are living with a corrupt, propagandist media and despite everything we have all done – it doesn’t matter – they manipulate everything to Obama’s favor and censor truth FROM the American people.
At this point – I truly consider them evil.
Call the Newshour and your local PBS affiliate. The Newshour is about the only remaining credible TV news program in the country. Ifill is a really good journalist – but for her to moderate the debate is horrible. She will tarnish her own well-earned reputation and that of the Newshour, public television, and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, funded by taxpayers.
This is a shame.
I’d have to disagree with Newshour being credible. They have shown to be in the annointed ones pocket just as deeply as most. The only Independent voice out there is sadly Lou Dobbs.
glenn beck also
Glenn Beck as an Independent voice- now I’ve read everything. That coke-addled drunk has been in the tank for Republicans his entire professional life. The homeless people babbling to themselves down the street make more sense on a regular basis than Glenn Beck.
You must refrain from making disparaging remarks about the ‘coke-addled’. This will not be allowed by the glorious one! Failure to follow this directive will result in a late-night visit from the Civilian Security Force (aka Obamicus’ Pretorian Guard).
You will learn to watch what you say.
The Truth Squad cometh!
Are you on crack, ted? That revolting shill needs to be first in the purge.
PBS lost their credibililty long ago. They are no better than the alphabet networks. I never watch anymore. If their is a program I wish to see I watch it via Netflix.
I disagree with you. If you start peeling back the layers of PBS you will find people like George Soros and Bill Moyers and foundations like the Joyce Foundation and The Benton Foundation.
As for Gwen Ifill, her ugly grimaces and eye rolling when Palin or McCain are mentioned is offensive.
“True believers in the god of the market would leave us to the ruthless cruelty of unfettered monopolistic capital where even the law of the jungle breaks down.”
– Bill Moyers, Keynote speech to the Environmental Grantmakers Association, October 16, 2001
Bill Moyers:
Public Broadcasting Service (PBS)
The money, the message, and the messenger. Conflict of interest?
Bill Moyers, his son John, and their moneyed sidekicks, the Schumann brothers, hate the free market with intemperate ferocity, as the quote above suggests.
http://www.undueinfluence.com/bill_moyers.htm
Who Funds the Progressive Media?
Initially, this article will introduce the work of the Benton Foundation, a liberal foundation that has played a pioneering and catalysing role in supporting progressive media ventures.
Critiques of liberal philanthropy are nothing new: indeed such criticisms have regularly surfaced ever since liberal foundations were created in the early twentieth century. In the past few years, however, the number of critical scholars and activists writing about practices of liberal foundations has grown rapidly, and there is now a blossoming literature showing the funding strategies of these highly influential philanthropists are antidemocratic and manipulative.
The Benton Foundation is currently chaired by William Benton’s son, Charles Benton, who like his father maintains close ties to a number of less than progressive individuals, not least through his position on the Board of Trustees of The American Assembly. Furthermore, he is a member of the international founding committee of The Real News and a trustee of the Education Development Center. Today the Center has a staff of over 500 people and a budget in excess of $90 million. Its funding comes from USAID and liberal philanthropic organizations such as the Ford Foundation, the Gates Foundation, and George Soros’ Open Society Institute. [13]
The Benton Foundation is also well represented on the IWT founding committee, with Gloria Tristani, Charles Benton and Mark Lloyd (former general counsel to the Benton Foundation now a senior fellow at the George Soros-linked Center for American Progress).
Given that Ford and Benton Foundations have extensive funding and personal ties in so many projects of progressive social change it is hardly surprising that most of the representatives of IWT’s founding committee also work for non-profit groups and projects that are funded by the Ford Foundation. However, this almost ‘natural’ state of affairs should give us pause.
From the book The Shock Doctrine, “the Ford Foundation was the “leading source of funding for the dissemination of the Chicago School ideology throughout Latin America”.
“[Ford-funded institutions played a] …central role in the overthrow of Chile’s democracy, and its former students… appl[ied] their US education in a context of shocking brutality. Making matters more complicated for the foundation, this was the second time in just a few years that its protégés had chosen a violent route to power, the first case being the Berkeley Mafia’s meteoric rise to power in Indonesia after Suharto’s bloody [1965-66] coup.” [24]
Those of us who take it as granted that the United States is a plutocracy not a democracy, find in this state of affairs their belief confirmed that the richest have access to society’s financial and political resources, and that they can engage in large-scale social engineering to make sure civil society is shaped in a manner compatible with their own elite interests. However, even activists, researchers and theorists who believe the United States is (or at least should be) a country of pluralism and representative democracy should be concerned about the amount of money flowing from these liberal foundations and begin documenting its effects on the development of the American progressive mediascape.
http://www.uruknet.de/?p=m45927&hd=&size=1&l=e
On Benton Foundations Board
Elizabeth Daley, Founding Executive Director of the University of Southern California Annenberg Center for Communication from 1994 to 2005. Chicago Mayor Richard Daley does have a daughter named Elizabeth. (not certain this is the same one)
Woodward A. Wickham LATINO PUBLIC BROADCASTING
Woodward A. Wickham is a consultant to foundations and other non-profit organizations on program development and communications. He retired in 2003 as Vice President and Senior Program Advisor at the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (Chicago), where for 13 years he had responsibility for the General Program ($27 million in annual grants) and public affairs. He is president of the Weil Foundation (Vail, AZ). Recent other clients include National Public Radio, PBS, MacNeil/Lehrer Productions, the Joyce Foundation, and the MacArthur Foundation. In addition to his service on the board of the Benton Foundation, he is chairman of the board of Sound Portraits Productions/StoryCorps (New York) and a director of Chicago Public Radio, the Greater Yellowstone Coalition (Bozeman, MT), the Independent Television Service (San Francisco), and The New Press (New York).
A graduate of Phillips Academy (Andover), Harvard College (B.A), and the Harvard Graduate School of Education (M.A.T.), Wickham was a Fellow of the Institute of Current World Affairs (1970-75), director of development at Hampshire College, and senior vice president of a New York City marketing and communications firm. He divides his time between Chicago and Livingston, Montana.
Woodward A. Wickham is a consultant to foundations and other non-profit organizations on program development and communications. He retired in 2003 as Vice President and Senior Program Advisor at the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (Chicago), where for 13 years he had responsibility for the General Program ($27 million in annual grants) and the public affairs division Recent clients include National Public Radio, the Weil Foundation, PBS, MacNeil/Lehrer Productions, Sesame Workshop, the Joyce Foundation, and the MacArthur Foundation.Currently, Wickham is a member of the ITVS Board of Directors.
Woodward Wickham, former vice president of the MacArthur Foundation, and a director of OneWorld United States. Wickham’s links to the latter group are worth reviewing as OneWorld United States was created in 2000, as a joint project between the Benton Foundation and OneWorld International. OneWorld International is a Ford Foundation supported group that describes itself as the “world’s favourite and fastest-growing civil society network online, supporting people’s media to help build a more just global society”. OneWorld also has links to the Benton Foundation: Larry Kirkman, currently a director of OneWorld United States, and chair of OneWorld International was president of the Benton Foundation from 1989 to 2001.
http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Wickham_Woodward_14739058.aspx
As if we would trust Ifill to be nonpartisan. It’s like saying Obama is a different kind of politician. (Hope! Change!)
McCain and Palin don’t seem to concerned about it. Maybe something’s up.
Maybe they think this will force Ifill to be excruciatingly fair in the debate or even hostile to Biden? It does take the spotlight off Palin and if there are any gotchas, they can lay blame on the moderator’s provable bias.
Yes, maybe this newest stunt will bite them. They haven’t shown great judgment so far. Why start now? There has to be a breaking point when people finally say No Way.
In other words, Mathew, the debate will not be able to be rated and it will be a draw regardless of what either of them say. Which works in Obama’s favor since he is ahead now. Except regardless, Palin will be blamed for everything.
I’ve noticed that too.
In fact both McCain and Palin seem to be incredibly calm – despite the blatant media bias & poll rigging taking place.
Something is definitely up.
I got the same impression as well. Like they were very calm not even worried about anything.
What can they say? If they call for her removal
they’ll be called racist or biased.
Everyone who watches tomorrow will know about
Ifill’s book and she will be watched carefully.
Maybe it’s good she’s not removed, all eyes will be upon her and she’ll try to appear neutral.
True. Ifill’s defense was that a white reporter wouldn’t be asked the same things. If any of the other moderators had books sales hinging on a favorable outcome for a particular candidate she may have a point. But they don’t.
If you are a leader, nothing should scare you. Even if you are worried, you still need to be calm. That is leadership. McCain has being in a WAR and had next-to-death experience more than one time. CBS and PBS will not scare him.
Her motives are above all personal. One look at her, and I know she is an Obamabot.
What is it about her that makes you believe this?
Umm…..could it be, oh – Ifill’s own words?
Cheap race baiter.
You aren’t slick.
Newly Independent,
you say “Ifill’s own words?”
Perhaps you need to reread the original post where motherinKY says “One look at her”
Also she has said those exact words in at least two other threads today. And has yet to tell us what she meant.
You know sweetie, it’s comments like yours that lose votes for your Lord. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to spend 4 years guarding every fricking word out of their mouth for fear of being tarred and feathered as a ‘racist’. The word has lost all meaning, which is a shame because racism DOES still exist.
But after your Lord and his minions (like you) are done, all legitimate claims will be laughed away for a GENERATION. That is your great gift, think about it.
Mike G — go away you teens need your sleep.
Obamabots work for 2.00 per hour. Ifill is looking at earning about 2 to 3 million dollars on that book if Oblahblah wins the election; and only 2 to 3 hundred thousand if he looses. The difference between Obama winning or loosing is about 2.5 million dollars. So people kill for 20 dollars, what would Ifill do for 2.5 million?
You know if I forgive a conflict of interest of this type then like Bush said long long time ago, “fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”
And pertaining to that saying, now I get it.
Not only is he fooling us again, the Senate is fooling us again and again and again.
$700 Billion turned into $850 Billion in the senate…who are they bailing out now?
Maybe they should make it an even trillion. This way you won’t have to carry around any change.
Now think about if they divided that money between the 300 million of us. How that would boost the economy and banking. The childrens could go in an account till they graduate to send them to school. Those in school or recent graduates could pay off student loans. For their education. Married couples could pay off their homes, bills, etc. Young adults could use it to start businesses…all that money WOULD go back into the economy, with a HUGE boost to the economy, instead of into a bunch of criminals pockets.
rofl! My favorite bush quote.
The picture of Obama and Gwen is the best. It looks like she is trying her best not to throw her arms around him and make Michelle crazy.
Her book’s cover image will be taken during the debate and it will show Gwen smiling calmly in the background and Sarah Palin pulling her hair and screaming to her an expletive, while Biden laughs his ass off.
Sarah will be smiling blissfully, while Biden gaffes and says something inane with Gwen giving dirty looks at the moderator’s table.
I think Ifill and 0bama have something in common: dubious sexual orientation.
I know – I think Donna Brazille and Gwen are gonna have to go into the ring and fight it out for Barry. They both want him – BAD!
I doubt that VERY much. lol
Time for a debate boycott. That’s what I’m planning to do given the biased moderator. I’m fed up with this type of unfairness.
Sarah could pull a McCain and threaten to not show up.
Or pull an Obama and “call it in”. Obama = most disengaged politician ever…even more than Bush!!! We should check his book shelves for books about pet goats!!
Or just vote “present”.
Bill O’Reilly is showing that DEAR LEADER SONG on his show…tune into FOX..
Gwen Ifill is an OBAMAHO! Somehow I’m sure Sarah palin will call Gwen OBAMAHO Ifill on it. She should preface every answer with “Gwen~ I know you are an OBAMAHO so I will talk slow and use small words”. After its over, good or bad McCain can blame Gwen OBAMAHO Ifill for any or everything.
You might want to consider a little editing in
Para 2: “Gwen Ifill has wrote a pro-Obama book…”
No, that comment fits the average intelligent level on this website just about perfectly.
And that “intelligence level” is miles above the level of intelligence-challenged sites such as DailyKos & Huffington Post.
Agreed Larry. The level of vitriol toward dissenting opinions on this site shows a low regard for intelligent debate.
Yes and the Daily Kooks implications of of rape, incest, and child abuse were so above par.
No one was ever called stupid or racist. No pro-Obama site ever called non-supporters idiots or compared Obama to the Founding Fathers. The Founding Fathers who would have been put to death had they failed.
The progressives/liberals, many of them “feminists” that support Obama, couldn’t understand why Palin didn’t just stay home.
No Obama supporters spread rumors that Trig was Palin’s daughter’s baby and Palin wore a pregancy suit.
Obama supporters said that McCain wasn’t tortured enough and that he got “special treatment”. Does special treatment include beatings and multiple broken bones? Heck, if McCain wanted special treatment all he had to do was read the prepared propaganda and go home.
But we’re the rude conspiracy theorists?
Okie dokie.
alex — We watch women of both parties being trashed while a man with no accomplishments is lauded. We have to wonder what the Obama agenda is that all the fat cats support him. Sorry if we are not unbiased enough for you. All the decent people running get trashed so that the trash can take over the government. It makes a lot of us bitter.
Tom Brokaw is a liasion to the McCain camapign!! He is moderating one of the debates! How is that any better???!!!
A liaison is simply a contact person in the press corps. He does not stand to receive a significant financial gain by McCain winning. Ifill’s book sales will be directly affected by the outcome, so she HAS significant financial interests at stake.
Who are you kidding? ALL TV anchors stand to gain a LOT from McCain winning – hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax breaks.
When you said all, your argument went pffft.
Dude get a clue. Network news anchors can deduct so many things the tax increase or even a decrease would have minimal effect. That $5000 lunch with someone they are interviewing is deductible! They need a new suit…deductible…And thats not even considering the fact that they know all the loopholes and how to re-arrange assets so they end up getting credits for not planting crops on the ranches they own etc etc. This isn’t a news flash, it’s been known and reported about for years.
The book is about AA politicians, its not a book about Obama. You are so ignorant.
If the book isn’t about Obama then why is he mentioned at all in the title?
Why isn’t the title “A History of AA Politicians”?
It’s because Ifill is invoking Obama to increase book sales.
The title of the book is:
The Breakthrough: Race and Politics in the Age of Obama.
Kind-of sounds like it’s about Obama.
Kind-of sounds like it’s pro-Obama, after all, according to Gwen, now he’s got his own ‘age’.
Conflict of interest, plain as day.
Brokaw is a real journalist. Does that answer your question?
Gwen Ifill is one of the most respected journalists in America. What are you talking about?
She may be respected and a journalist but she is not Tom Brokaw.
Why did Ifill NOT tell the CPD about the book? Ifill, like almost ALL of the DC press corps, sits behind a desk in Washington and reads what’s on a teleprompter (like someone else we know). To call her, or any of the useless press corps a journalist is an insult to those who really are/were.
The British have it right, in the UK she’d be called a ‘news reader’. Which would be correct.
off topic Sarah Palin tunrs in another stunning performance with Katie tonight!
What a joke!
NH Dem — At least Palin is real — Obama has to stutter so much because he is so afraid he won’t remember what they tell him to say. Cause we know after 20 months he can’t speak without a teleprompter.
Palin needs to congratulate Ifill on her upcoming book release of January 20. But should add… but I have to tell you Gwen, I am going to do everything in my power to cause you to have to rewrite that book.
Argh.
I am not hopeful about tomorrow’s debate. Palin has been skewered by everyone over her interviews. Do you think she’s going to do so enormously well that the debate will change anyone’s minds? They are going to try to crucify her tomorrow night, and this “moderator” is proof of the setup.
I can’t imagine why McCain’s going along with this unless he really has some sort of October Surprise planned.
WHITEY TAPE! FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!
NHDem, don’t forget Rev Wright! Phlaeger! Ayers! Flip-flops! Weakness! FISA! Black Liberation Theology! Long list of shady associations! Lying! Cheating! Misogyny! Failed Chicago South Side “community organizing”! Corrupt primary tactics! Dirty caucuses! Voting “present”!
And those are a few that we know about. I’m sure the Republicans have a couple in store for BO.
It still baffles me how people who plan to vote for McCain can bring up FISA.
He didn’t flip-flop, dullard. We know where he stands. Barack’s positions change with the prevailing wind, which is bad for his house of cards, as it is weak enough without having a shifting foundation to boot. Why don’t you take your sophomoric comments to HuffPo.
Because he bamboozled his flock by voting for it. More lies. He lost some support from that, but he mixed up a new batch of Kool-Aid and supposedly he’s back on track (if you believe polls).
“Pock-ee-ston” comes to mind, as well. Let’s start an international incident with a nuclear-armed Pakistan. There’s just too many gaffes to enumerate.
everything you brought up has been thoroughly debunked. TRY AGAIN!
http://mediamattersaction.org/swiftboating/?src=swift-4
Don’t forget ACORN! You forgot ACORN!
and don’t forget Rezko now talking to Feds
How could I forget Rezko and ACORN!? And the sleazy comment about lipstick on a pig, which showed his character.
mayybe an indictment?
NH Dem — Still proud to call yourself a Dem when Pelosi decided to keep this Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac debacle secret until the Fall campaign — not caring how many people would lose their homes or how many banks would fail. I switched parties this year because I could not be a member of a party who would play politics with people’s lives to win an election. Pelosi should resign.
Unless she is perfect, which is doubtful, she will get skewered in some way. Obama can stand there all day with uhs and ums and no one things anything about it. His answers consist primarily of “yea, I agree with Clinton or McCain”…are we suprised? The American people are deciding this election not the media. Take it with a grain of salt. I think Palin will do just great.
At least I can comfort myself with the thought that if obama wins it was through means that are demonstrably fraudulent.
OR how about his: George Stephanopoulos was and ADVISER to the Clinton administration! He moderated a debate bwtween HRC and Obama. But thats ok. You are so filled with hate its disgusting.
nhDEM Listen, Moron, since day one, the MSM has given the affirmative action candidate, affirmative action in their dealings with the phoney one. In fact, they cheer-lead for him like silly highschool girls! So stop with the stupid comment. Wait a minute, this is America, carry on!
NHDem
From what I understand, he didnt leave the Clinton
camp on great terms AT ALL.
Have you read his book “All Too Human”
If not, please do so. I highly recommend it.
It does not make the Clinton’s look too pretty.
I read that book and many many other books about the Clintons written by their friends and enemies.
Now…explain to me what leads you to believe that George Stephenopoulos ‘ relationship with the Clinton’s (especially HRC) is the same as Ms Ifill’s relationship with Sen Obama?
After having read Stephenopoulos’ book, if I were HRC, I would have been VERY nervous being involved in anything that Stephanopoulos was moderating.
P.S I respect the guy’s intelligence and passion even though I disagree with him on some issues.
Are you joking — Stephanopoulos got his ‘fifteen minutes’ because of the Clintons and has been stabbing them in the back ever since — and that means YEARS!!!
Did you watch the town hall interview Hillary did with him before the IN and NC primary? He was on her like a tiny rabid dog — he was so rude and tried to play gotcha on every single question — she made him look like the little toad he is, however.
WHAT ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS SAYING ‘THIS CONTEST IS OVER’ THE MORNING OF THE WEST VA. PRIMARY — WHEN PEOPLE WERE JUST GOING TO THE POLLS AND VOTING?
If you don’t call that electioneering on behalf of Obama, then you are in deep, deep denial.
Stephanopoulos is a media whore — who sold himself down the river a long time ago.
He certainly is.
I can’t stand his sawed-off ass.
The primary was over the day Obama won Wisconsin and Hawaii. The rest was a self-inflicted slow death of the Clinton campaign.
Complete and utter bull.
Hillary won the popular vote overall in the primary. But before that, the DNC CHEATED and gave Obama’s undeserving ass delegates that HE DIDN’T WIN in Florida and Michigan. Obama did NOT have a McCain victory. He did NOT win the vast majority of the votes overall during the primary like McCain did. The Democrat primary was CLOSE. The ENTIRE WORLD saw how close the Dem primary was. So stop trying to rewrite history.
Obama couldn’t win the primary fair and square. So he relied on the cheating DNC and lying, scheming media to get the nomination. And it’s NOT the first time Obama’s cheated to win an election either. Just ask Alice Palmer.
Yeah. Must be nice to get delegates based on votes where your name wasn’t on the ballot (Michigan).
Must be nice to bus in kids from other states to caucus for you too.
George Stephanopolaus hates the Clintons. he resigned from Bill’s staff and he’s an ordained minister so he got outraged over Monica.
George had a falling out with the Clintons – he wasn’t for Hillary.
But he didn’t have a book coming out about Hillary Clinton which would be worth a lot of money to him if, and only if, she won.
See the difference, sweetie?
NH Dem — drink your Kool Aid you prick.
I’m sure Bidden already had the questions to be asked. He should do very well. I’m sure Padin will be asked how would she solve the current finacial problem for which there is no right answer and then be blasted for being wrong. She needs to be on the offense from the begining to the end.
Yeah sure. Biden will have the questions ahead of tim. Fanatic Obama supporters were saying the same thing about the last debate. You’re both retarded!
That is why half of Obama’s answers were mini speeches and seemed memorized. Did you notice that those answers had nary an “um, ah, uh, er or ummmm”?
As soon as they veered away from the questions and he had to speak off the cuff — all the umms, errs, aaahh were back in full force.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Your proof?
(crickets)
Admit the truth. Obama is a brilliant, knowledgeable, well-informed and well spoken individual.
If his performance in the debate didn’t convince you of the well known fact, then nothing will.
Fortunately for MOST Americans, they understand this fact, and Obama’s A+ performance in the debate is reflecting in current polling.
Alex…what about Sen Obama’s actions as a state legislator.
What rating would you give him there?
What has he done for his constituents in Illinois?
Sen Obama is a professional candidate. PERIOD.
He has left so many casualties behind in his race for political power.
I want to know…why is Sen Obama in politics? Just why does he want to be president of the USA?
Learn about the real Sen Obama and what he has accomplished in Chicago
Watch this chilling video.
Dear Mr. Obama: Who Are You?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4
This video is based 100 % on easily verifiable facts.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer (2008)
http://cbs4denver.com/national/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810882.html
Sen Obama’s ACTUAL Legislative Accomplishments:
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
Go ahead Alex- I DARE YOU (and MArtin and Mike G and any other Obama supporter on this thread) TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION: WHAT RATING WOULD YOU GIVE SEN OBAMA AS A LEGISLATOR FOR THE PEOPLE…AND ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU ASSIGN HIM THIS RATING?
Obama’s US senate career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama
some highlights:
Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. “Lugar-Obama” expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.
The “Coburn-Obama Transparency Act” provides for the web site USAspending.gov, managed by the Office of Management and Budget. The site lists all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward and provides breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.
As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world’s supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.
Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act,” which was signed into law in September 2007.
Obama joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.
In this 110th congress, Obama has sponsored 70 Bills and co-sponsored 404 bills of which 8 have passed vs. John Mccain who has sponsored only 22 bills and co-sponsored 133 of which 7 have passed.
http://www.opencongress.org/person/show/400629_barack_obama
Obama’s Illinois senate career:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate_career_of_Barack_Obama
Throughout Obama’s state senate career he has sponsored or co-sponsored over 800 pieces of legislation.
some highlights:
Obama helped pass a sweeping law that banned most gifts from lobbyists and personal use of campaign funds by state legislators.
During his first years as a state senator, Obama was a co-sponsor of a bill which re-structured the Illinois welfare program into the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program. He was also involved in various pieces of legislation which established a $100 million Earned Income Tax Credit for working families, increased child care subsidies for low-income families, and required advance notice before mass layoffs and plant closings.
He sponsored successful efforts to expand children’s health care, create a plan to provide equal health care access for all Illinois residents, and create a “Hospital Report Card” system, and worker’s rights laws that protected whistleblowers, domestic violence victims, equal pay for women, and overtime pay. His most public accomplishment was a bill requiring police to videotape interrogations and confessions in potential death penalty cases. Obama was willing to listen to Republicans and police organizations and negotiate compromises to get the law passed. That helped him develop a reputation as a pragmatist able to work with various sides of an issue. Obama also led the passage of a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.
Based on his amazing accomplishments and ability to work across the isle in a bi-partisan and pragmattic fashion, I would give him a VERY HIGH RATING as a legislator for the people.
‘nuff said…
Alex, sweetie, athy has a question and you’ve had quite a while to get the answer from your Lord’s mothership.
*crickets*
You can NEVER name a GD thing this loser has ever done, except talk about himself.
“You can NEVER name a GD thing this loser has ever done, except talk about himself”
Read my post above sweetie. God don’t like liars.
ROTFL! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…oh my GOD I have tears in my eyes I am laughing so hard. That’s got to be the funniest thing I’ve ever read from a ‘bot. Oh man…hahahahahaha
Your description of Obama is getting dangerously close to saying he’s articulate and clean.
YOU’RE A RACIST!!! RACIST!!
LMAO
Why not? Biden already said it about the Obammunist…
That comment from Biden sounded racist to me when I read it *whistles*
Mrduffin,
Since the moderator has no integrity and ethic, any unthinkable thing may happen, such as disclosing Qs to the democratic in advance.
I hope I am wrong.
Yep!
The dumb bastards in Obama’s tank still haven’t learned that beating up on Sarah Palin won’t do anything but make undecided voters flock to McCain.
People love to support underdogs.
None of us know what is going to happen tomorrow. But after the way Gov. Palin has been mericlessly and unfairly hammered by the press, we should not be suprised by this. We will see if the moderator can be unbiased as she claims. I don’t think she will be and I don’t see how anyone could be who clearly favors one candidate. I personally think Lou Dobbs would make a great moderator. He is an Independent and he is fair.
Amen.
Greta Van Susteren would be great as well.
ALSO THEY KNEW ABOUT THE F—— [DELETED BY ADMIN] BOOK!! IT WAS ANNOUNCED IN JULY AND THE CAMPAIGN KNEW IN EARLY AUGUST!
Are you too stupid to realize that they are trying to distract you from the horror you are about to witness tomorrow night! She’ll be lucky if she can answer a single question!
Wake the [DELETED BY ADMIN] up!
[ADMIN: USER IS NOW ON MODERATION.]
I believe it is time to have your thorazine drip increased.
With the wages they paid the poor BOT, more like plenty of Kool-aid….
according to our dear nytimes — biden is as big a worry for the dems as palin is for the repubs…
wonder how will mr. gas bag do?
The difference is, he gets a pass on everything–even being videotaped totally drunk dancing around and singing “The Villages” commercial.
OMG, I am watching the children singing about Obama on TV right now. That is one of the creepiest things I’ve ever seen!
Well, I hope he doesn’t bring up the lie about his family being killed by a drunk driver – he’s done that on the campaign trail and that’s a big lie. The man recently died and his family is LIVID! It was proven at the time of the accident that he was not under the influence – it was just a tragic accident, but ole Joe keeps the lie going for effect.
oppo — I read the media has decided to ignore Biden and concentrate on Palin. They want to finish her off tomorrow. This is change we can believe in. Women get trashed while the trash is running the show.
Ifil’s coming out with this book has been public knowledge since before the conventions. Googling her name would have led anyone to find out this “surprising” fact. The right-wingy-dingies are trying to make this into a distraction, hoping that will somehow change the effect of the debate.
Mike G,
This information may be hidden at somewhere on the internet jungle. Who will google her name to see if she has a pro-Obama book?
I am wonder why you have this intelligence ahead of everyone else.
I google people that I am about to do business with (any serious business of sufficient magnitude). I wouldn’t imagine that either of the campaigns hadn’t checked out all the moderators early on.
Maybe you should have Googled Obama and read about the crimes he will be indicted on in the Chicago newspapers. Do some research using sources other than those officially approved by the anointed one and his information scrubbing crew. Or simply ask yourself what kind of scumbag would stand back and say NOTHING! When his cousin Odingo had his henchmen go out and commit rape and murder until the lawfully elected President of Kenya was forced to name him Prime Minister and share power! If you know nothing else about Obama, that undeniable FACT should be enough to turn any conscionable human being away from Barack Obama!
Haha. Did you per chance review the tapes of Palin’s gubernatorial debate? The Alaskan Dems recently issued a warning to anyone who assumes Sarah is just a pretty face.
Haha.
GO SARAH GO
I agree — we know Biden is a windbag and that Ifill is snotty and arrogant. What Sarah sail right through. Cream always rises.
Mc…
Sarah is the next Hannity. After hearing her on his show today I’m convinced that she will live up to her Sarahcuda reputation.
Everything has been set.
The bill is passed. The democrats are to blame and McCain was able to get a better bill.
Add to that the moderator who is the tank for Obama and the low expectations because of the slime of the MSM and you have a debate to remember.
Take your profanity and go back to the Obama underworld.
Why don’t we wait until after the debate to see how
she does. If you haven’t viewed her debates for Gov. of Alaska you should look. She’s outstanding.
Get some help there man. Your hatred of the Governor of Alaska has turned you into a raving lunatic.
Gov. Palin is a street-smart, tough, and popular Governor. She has accomplished some big things during her tenure – natural gas pipeline through Canada, new royalty agreements with oil companies and getting some corrupt politicians out of office.
She is also from a small town, is a truly committed Christian, when to a state university and has an Alaskan accent. She is not a towering intellect, neither was Reagan. People like you care about that, most people don’t. That’s just the way it is, sorry ’bout that.
I have read so much I can’t remember if this is on here. Sorry if is a repost.
The Obamas: Portrait of an American Family by Gwen Ifill
Obama is Jesus…according to Maggie Mertens
http://media.www.smithsophian.com/media/storage/paper587/news/2008/09/18/Opinions/i.Will.Follow.Him.Obama.As.My.Personal.Jesus-3440311.shtml?reffeature=recentlycommentedstoriestab
the aliens have landed….
with their tin-foil hats, propellers, and plastic chin straps.
Wodiej,
I think they may not be aliens. They are more like the ghosts from Germany and Red China about half century ago.
So another biased reporter whose sole purpose for writing a book is an essentializing politics of race will moderate the debate. Why am I not surprised? After all, the American public must be reminded of Biden’s status as surrogate for someone who claims African-American ancestry during the Vice Presidential debate. For if they were not, many would actually listen to Palin. And we cannot possibly have that. Indeed, Obama will only win if the American public remains duped by a racialized cult of personality that is devoid of knowledge, substance and fact.
Obama’s father : Kenyan born citizen.
Obama’s mother: White American.
Obama’s Stepfather: Indonesian citizen. Obama attended school in Indonesia using his stepfather’s last name. That implies a legal relationship.
I’m confused. Which do we hate Obama for? Because his father was a native born African national that was not US born (not an AA) or because his mother was white? Or because Obama was adopted by an Indonesian national?
Obama was not born of two American parents. Period.
But let’s not talk about that.
Check this out everyone, pollster turned away. Something fishy going on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weyrE9jLGn0
why are we even having a damn election. If they are so inistant on putting this fuck as our lord and master why don’t they just put on martial law and get it over with??
They want us to think we had a choice.
Its just Robert Mugabe thug elections! Its Zimbabwe, they stloe the primaries from Clinton, they are doing the same in the genral. If the Repubs have the shit on Soetoro-they better start letting it fly, now! OMG, can you imagine the mess for our country, it is only going to get worst. Little Boots is not up for the job? Impeachment, riots, thug mugabe tactics, and for what??? Who is behind this mess? I think we all know!
Just like the Democratic Primary…wasn’t that a hoot.
just like with bush
Why do you think Obama voted for FISA when he promised to filibuster it and vote against it? He did neither.
When Hillary voted NO on FISA it wasn’t taken as a vote that Dems wanted. It was decried, by Obama supporters, as an attempt embarrass him.
Their worries about our Constitutional rights? That meant nothing if something made Obama “look bad”.
If Obama gets the WH you’ll see this same sort of logic. Who cares about the Constitution? Obama said so or – you’re trying to make Obama look bad you racists you. Even if the person objecting is non-white.
Change you can’t believe it’s happening.
Ana,
Thanks for this link.
Let this be a warning to all poll workers and poll observers- get ready for this.
Make sure you record all details and if can capture on film and audio-even better.
This type of information needs to be made public.
Does anyone know the poll worker /observer who was turned away?
Has she filed a complaint with the proper authorities?
Has she notified the local media of what happened?
Is this also going on in the other ‘vote early states?” where independent observers are being turned away?
AP ran a story about the book on July 23rd.
It was in the Washington Times(conservative)Website
There was a story in TIME magazine about the book BEFORE Gwen was asked to be the moderator!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!!!???????
I recommended you be banned for your repetitive, impertinent comments and for your gratuitous profanity. Please leave before you are forced to leave.
I am so sorry. I forgot this is the website that rejects the truth. Iy’s ok with me, it will just make your fall more fun to watch!
Oh goodie!
The Obama turds are back on this blog!!
NHDem,
Do not insult me. I visit this site for truth, not to reject truth.
Truth? There is no truth here. Just the machinations of a bunch of raving lunatics.
What fall? All we all not Americans? Or do you consider yourself superior to the rest of us?
BTW If this info was available, in July and August as you claim it, it was available as well to the Debate Commission.
Personal profit, from a book with the title that has ONE candidate’s name in it, shows a bias.
If Ifill is unbiased why write a book now? She could have written the same book after Nov 4th.
Ifill has made numerous public statements in favor of Obama. A real journalist would have refrained from speaking or spoken about the pluses and minuses of both campaigns. That’s journalism.
Yes, there were notes about the book in Time and elsewhere, but not substantive detail, nor until now, was the release date announced to be on Inauguration Day.
Whether the book was secret or not, and it was at worst an open secret that MSM didn’t discuss much, does it not suggest a conflict of interest to you?
If Obama loses, her book has no value and timing for January 20th is foolish. If he wins, the topic and timing is great and will earn her a lot of money.
And again, George Stephanopolous moderated a debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Does that not suggest a conflict of interest to you?
Politics and the Media are so incestuous at this point, it would be impossible to find a moderator with no objections whatsoever from either campaign.
The McCain campaign isn’t complaining.
Why are you?
Oh, I guess you might have seen the polls today.
UH OH.
The issue is not biais. That is something we have all come to accept and expect. (Regretfully)
The issue is a conflict of interest – as in financial benefit based on outcome. Stephanopolous had no future financial gain
Ifill has a book contract and will be enriched with an Obama victory!
Conflict of Interst – not – Biais
I applaud McCain for giving her the benefit of the doubt.
If a judge were ruling in a case against you and would financially benefit based on their decision – I doubt you would be so classy.
ACT,
I absolutely agree with you.
In a Court, if the judge has ANY connections to any one in any party of a law suit, the judge must excuse himself/herself. If not, a party may be negatively affected can move to disqualify the judge.
The above rule is restrictively followed because fair play is important. The same principle should apply to the VP debate. That Ms. Ifill will not be fair is a legitimate concern. The only way to overcome this concern is to remove her. In this entire country, Ifill is the only qualified moderator? Why we can not have someone else?
maybe gwen is donating all proceeds to help poor AA children get college scholarships — NOT!
Why should he?
McCain’s about to become President of the United States in less than 35 days.
He has good reason not to complain.
Think, Larry. Ifill stands to make a small fortune if BO wins. Even if McCain and Palin are okay with it, she should still be removed.
See my post above — Stephanopoulos derides Hillary at every turn — in their town hall meeting, on his program…
the only difference in that ABC debate with that your messiah actually had to answer some real questions for a change instead of the typical pillow fluffing treatment he got every other time.
He was humiliated because he did poorly and the ‘bots went wild and flooded ABC with complaints — so Gibson and Stephanopoulos got the message real quick — no more fairness — better go back to drinking the Obama koolaid.
Acaha,
There is a big difference. One is a debate held by ABC, which has openly known bias. Another is held by presidential debate commit, which should be non-biased.
Larry- read above in thread where bloggers comment about relationship between Stephenopoulos & the Clintons.
The relationship was not a good one at all.
No conflict of interest there- as a matter of fact, if I were HRC I would have been VERY nervous about being asked questions by Stephenopoulos in a debate.
Every library in the country would buy from 3 to 10 copies plus all other sales, she’ll make a good couple of million dollars.
Here is the deal. If Obama is elected, he wll spend federal fund to buy 10 copies of the books for each and every library in the world. Ifill counts on that as her retirement fund.
She should have never accepted the moderator position. She has no ethics or integrity in regards to her work. Her reputation as an unbiased journalist/reporter is totally gone. Her bias was for herself(money) and to get a fraud elected because he’s black(not really and certainly not a black American with his upbringing). Why doesn’t any of this surprise me. It’s been an 8 month trip through the house of horrors and we haven’t gotten to the exit yet. I can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings. Yikes.
What’s wrong with you? Leave you’re not wanted.
Of course, it is true that the fact Ms.Ifill has written a book about Senator Obama,like almost all information, is discoverable at some level. But as in withholding material information from the judge, the fault for non-disclosure inures to the person who failed to disclose, and not to the person who, through some other means, however mundane or extraordinary, could have searched for and found the information, on her own.
NHDem,
you are 100% correct. The timing of the Mccain campaigns “outrage” about this book is more smoke and mirrors.
What it actually highlights is their extreme concern about her performance tomorrow night.
Then, she should not accept this job at all. She is shamelessly unethical and unprofessional.
SHE DID NOT TELL THE CPD ABOUT THE BOOK! Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Ifill was the second choice, unfortunately Michelle Obama was unavailable that evening.
Too bad Oprah is being non-political. She would have been just perfect.
Oprah and Gayle would have been a good combo as moderators.
My goodness, we have some wise, all-knowing
trollsvisitors tonight. My sister-in-law, who has a master’s in psychology, thinks that there are no scandals involving ACORN and thousands of people did not write their Congressmen on Monday to protest money being ear-marked for them in the bail-out plan…it’s just all Republican propaganda. I would laugh, if it wasn’t so serious.proof that a college education does not give you common sense….
Just goes to show that college degrees are not a replacement for wisdom and common sense.
They may not have written, but they sure as heck did call! I can vouch for the number of calls received in at least one office and the sentiment was anger and opposition.
Maybe they can have an energy question in the debate. According to McCain, Palin may be “the nation’s leading expert on energy.” She says Alaska provides 20% of the US energy, something nobody else would know cuz it’s really 3.5%.
She was talking about US production and when you add NG in there it does make up 20% and even more once the pipeline comes online that she negotiated. So before you start talking you should get your facts straight.
From Factcheck.org
“Palin claims Alaska “produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.” That’s not true.
Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that’s a far cry from all the “energy” produced in the U.S.
Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent, according to the official figures kept by the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
And if by “supply” Palin meant all the energy consumed in the U.S., and not just produced here, then Alaska’s production accounted for only 2.4 percent.”
I read this also on factcheck.org
Don’t worry though; the folks on this site will rail it as a left-wing, ultra liberal, george soros supported site.
Is it not run by Annenberg? You know of the Annenberg Challenge? Didn’t Obama work for them? Hmmmmm
And 95% of Americans are getting an income tax cut. Hooray! Too bad 40% don’t pay federal income tax.
I guess math isn’t BO’s strong suit.
The “renewed” bailout bill is on the Senate floor now.
http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx
Not that it means anything but when she was asked about the court decisions and didn’t come up with anything…I couldn’t either..I went blank…Understand I always have something to say about the courts…blank..
They have took homes and businesses left and right here to build something that the city could get more tax dollars off of. Land from people who had already donated huge amounts of acreage… just because they needed a bit more room…family land passed down through many generations snatched away..
I was blank…
….are you running for VP too?
Not that it means anything but
“Well, let’s see. There’s –of course –in the great history of America rulings there have been rulings, there’s never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are — those issues, again, like Roe v Wade where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know — going through the history of America, there would be others but–”
COURIC: Can you think of any?
PALIN: Well, I could think of — of any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a Vice President, if I’m so privileged to serve, wouldn’t be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
YOU CAN’T MAKE THIS SH*T UP.
I really don’t see your point. Just let it go. The truth of the matter is Obama can be just as bad. Let’s be real about it.
I know you enjoy beating up on people but why don’t you take your fight to the man in charge- McCain. Or do you have nothing to say?
Obama just as bad?
What bizzaro world reality are you living in?
Sorry to inform you, but Obama is a brilliant individual. There is NO comparison between Obama and Palin.
Hillary Clinton is a brilliant individual. There is NO comparison between Clinton and Palin.
“I have a bracelet. too!!!! uhhh um Let me be clear uh,uhh,uh,uh”
Those are not the signs of a mental giant. But they are the signs of someone who has swiss cheesed their brain on drugs!!
BOBO….. Brilliant? What are you basing that on?
Gosh, Alex – you sound like you’re “in love” – you got a crush on Obama?
This invokes my favorite ad from the McCain Camp. Obama Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNnauNITwGk
erm ahh, umm.
I have a bracelet too.
I agree with Sen. McCain.
What Hillary said.
Yep, he’s brilliant all right.
Hillary was labeled a b*tch and a wh*re while her own party said nothing. So I guess Hiilary’s wasn’t good enough after all.
um.. my lawyer friends really couldn’t come up with one on the top of their heads, they are corporate lawyers.. and palin is not a lawyer!!!
maybe we should ask the fraud how all the business taxes work? considering he has never ran anything of any worth in his life, I’m sure we would hear some BS answer!
Charlie Gibson had to explain capital gains taxes to him in the April debate.
He’s not the brightest crayon in the box. In all honesty, none of them are.
If intellect was the basis for leadership then we’d elect Stephen Hawking (if he were American).
Sure that’s the latest crap sandwich ‘liberals’ are feeding you but you have no idea what you are eating.
If ‘Larry’ didn’t exist he couldn’t be made up.
57 states.
And what is the right answer? Suppose she chose a couple of rulings… just for fun pick them yourself. Then think what you would do with the answer… starting with “so now I guess being mayor of Wasilla makes her qualified to be on the Supreme Court?”. There is no good answer to a hostile media. Perhaps appearing to not have a reply is a strategy. It is probably no worse than answering. I would have hoped she would just say… that is a loaded question and you know it. Palin’s job is not going to be working “with” McCain. They are a “team”. Don’t give me the “heartbeat away” bit. That is how I know somebody is a “bot” they have memorized the collective mantra emanating from “The One” himself. Get real. McCain will be with us.
I thought her answer was appropriate, given her conservative bent. That is, the SCOTUS decisions with which she would have a problem are those that upheld federal authority over what she considers to be state issues. Like Roe v. Wade. (On the other hand, the first case I thought of was Plessy v. Ferguson. But then, I went to law school.)
Larry,
I have listened to many McCain & Palin interviews.
What Gov Palin is saying is that she believes that there are certain decisions/powers left to the states and certain decisions/powers left to the Federal govt as per the Constitution.
She has no intention of changing ‘the law of the land as it reads today’.
The USA is a REPUBLIC. We are a group of states with certain rights granted to us by the Constitution to operate on a local level as per the will of the people of each state.
On certain issues, the Federal law takes precedence over any state laws.
How tough is that to understand?
Gov Palin is no constitutional lawyer but look at Sen Obama who is a constitutional lawyer.
Look what he did with the FISA vote.
Yes, this constitutional lawyer has let it be known that the US constitution and our Bill of Rights are up for negotiation-all in the name of political expediency.
Plagiarism. And now copyright infringement.
Add ‘em up.
http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/politics/e3i226441afd9c0206ffd058a6caa089c8f?imw=Y
I’ve just come to expect this sort of thing–really distressing.
Excellent reporting, Matthew.
i dont understand why u obama people come on here. since your so sure THE ONE is gonna win, why come in here and spew your garbage? if you think your going to sway a few votes, you must have graduated from a school in chicago that obama helped. your candidate, a harvard grad and lawyer cant give a speech without a teleprompter. did you guys go to the same school?
Hahaha you think we come here to sway votes?
I come here to see what the crazies are up to.
I don’t know how many times we can explain it.
I COME HERE FOR A LAUGH AFTER A LONG DAY OF REGISTERING VOTERS, WORK AND FAMILY LIFE.
I know it’s perverse. I’m addicted to it, I won’t lie. F*cking with the completely irrational people on this site has become my new replacement for porn.
That explains everything.
So after the election the porn industry will begin its econimic recovery.
Hey, do they have stock options??? Because I imagine this little cultist bot probably by himself, keeps a lot of $$ flowing into the coffers.
You spend entirely too much time here to make that argument remotely believable.
But if you have nothing better to do, fine.
Hahaha – of course you do.
And you stink miserably at it.
Of all of the fun places to go in cyberspace to “laugh,”
you numbskulls come here.
We know you’re scared to death about Obama’s impending loss.
Don’t worry. Your secret is safe with us.
“Hahaha you think we come here to sway votes?”
Well, whether you intend to sway votes or not, you do. You sway the votes away from your candidate. Keep driving that wedge of hate. We’ll come around to your side eventually – riiiiighhhhhhhht. As if.
Everytime I hear BO claim that he is such a uniter, I think of people like you and know that there is nothing that could be further from the truth.
Talk to the paw.
PUMACUDA.
family? (spouse know about the porn?)
wow! who would believed it?
are your kids part of the brain dead/washed cult singing for fauxbama?
LOL!!
You honestly do not realize how pathetic people think you are. I’ve never known anyone that was proud to carry the badge of pathetic, but I guess you’re ok with it, so we should just let you carry on.
I see….porn is your ‘family life’.
Your ‘work’ is registering ‘voters’.
Thanks for filling us in, it’s a bit too much information about you, but…whatever.
All hail Obamicus! Tomorrow belongs to me!
So I was right. Obama supporters are people that revel in cruelty and mockery. Much like Bush supporters. The two groups are interchangeable.
That explains your attitude and your idiotic arguments very well
Bill O’Reilly said he called Gwen Ifill today and she would not take or return his call. hmmm…. He is suspicious too.
OReilly has a history of getting pervy over the phone.
Yeah, you’re normal.
Ifill has responded to questions about her conflict of interest. She says she hasn’t written the chapter on Obama yet. And get this quintessential Obama response:
See http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081001/D93HUHCO1.html
She might have well have just said…no,no,no…..uhhhh….somehow you have the notion….that I, I, I, I, I, I, I, ……uhhhh…somehow you, you, you…..
Did Lou Cannon moderate a debate? She is playing the race card.
The title of the book gives it all away. ‘Age of Obama’ is heavily laced with Kool-Aid.
Absolutely, the title says it all.
Sort of like saying the Age of Aristotle.
It’s a lofty statement about a candidate who cheated his way to become the nominee and who has done NOTHING for the AA community.
Reminds me of that scene in Thelma and Louise where Brad Pitt asks Harvey Keitel how the police can be so sure he stole the money. LOL
What does race have to do with it Gwen?! I don’t get it. Why can’t you just answer the question asked. The first thing out of her mouth is the other guy is white? See, this is the type of reverse racism we’re in for.
its not b/c gwen ifill is black.. I see a bias..
ITS B/C SHE WROTE A BOOK PRAISING THAT FRAUD TO BE PUBLISHED ON JAN. 20TH, 2009 !?!?!?
OMG! is she seriously this dumb? all this time I respected her as a journalist!
Her answer is as slippery as Barry. She has made it clear all over the place that she’s for The One. Such thugs.
Race card in 3…2…1
But an Obama supporter said earlier Obama wasn’t in the book! Alert the media! Oh wait…
There is an online petition to have her removed as moderator. I know it’s too late, but it makes a statement at minimum.
http://conservativehq.com/active-petitions/fire-gwen-ifill/
Gwen Ifill is literally banking on Obama becoming president. Her book release date; Inauguration day.
McCain voted for it.
Well arent you so special. What did you do, register the same one over and over and over again ? Just curious..
Yes, that’s hard work for a bot you know….keeping track of that one name.
Naw, he doesn’t have to do that he just registers dead people, pets and drunks/druggies laying around in alleys.
Just received this from DNCReform:
“EVERYONE,
If you have cable or satellite television go to your guide IMMEDIATELY, start at the lowest channel and go up channel by channel, LOOK FOR THE NEW
OBAMA STATION!!!!
I have DISH TV until tomm. and here in the Detroit area channel 73 states clearly the programming has been purchased by “Tribune Media;” however when I called DISH Network I was very rudely told anyone can purchase a station. I explained this was a CLEAR VIOLATION OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAWS They told me no it was not.
FIND THE OBAMA STATION IN YOUR AREA AND CALL AND COMPLAIN. IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE PAYING YOUR MONEY FOR?????
PASS THIS TO EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.”
Or drop the cable.
There goes our Democracy. Even Bush didn’t go this far.
Contacted everyone on the list with an email address.
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-why-should-anyone-trust-joe-biden-946127.html
Dominic Lawson: Why should anyone trust Joe Biden?
The Democrats’ candidate for VP doesn’t deserve to be called a sage
Tuesday, 30 September 2008
Joseph Robinette Biden – known to all as “Joe” – was once the most talked about American politician in Britain. Unfortunately for the senior Delaware Senator, all the talk was accompanied by incredulous laughter. As part of his Presidential campaign 20 years ago, he lifted verbatim and without attribution Neil Kinnock’s celebrated remarks: “Why am I the first Kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to a University … was it because all our predecessors were thick, those people who could work eight hours underground and then come up to play football?” Biden told an audience at an Iowa fairground: “I started thinking as I was coming over here, why is it that Joe Biden’s the first in his family ever to go to University … is it because our fathers and mothers were not bright… who worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football?”
Note the overt claim to spontaneity at the outset of the plagiarism; but it wasn’t just that which left his run for the Presidency buried under an avalanche of ridicule. It rapidly emerged that Biden was not the first member of his family to go to university, and that the closest any ancestral Bidens came to working underground was a grandfather who was a mining engineer – and during the campaign Biden also told a number of gratuitous untruths about his own academic record.
Stay tuned for more on Biden later on NoQ.
Now it makes sense… Maybe the only guy somebody with the middle name “Hussein” and a narcissistic personality can be comfortable being around.
It gets worse, in 2007 he said that his wife and daughter were killed by a guy ‘who allegedly drank his lunch’.
NOT TRUE! He defamed the memory of the driver, who was haunted by that accident. The man was NOT drunk, there was no evidence supporting Biden’s statement.
http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080904/NEWS02/809040379&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL
Otherwise just as I suspected.
CNN is reporting that 60 senators have voted for the bailout bill…enough to pass it.
Still has to go back to the House. I guess Nancy will now be all for it. What do you bet ACORN or some version thereof is somewhere in there? I tried reading the bill online but it’s Old English gibberish. Full of acronyms that you’d have to memorize to understand the thing.
I’ll read the whole thing (eventually) but it’s written to be hard to understand.
Bill could tell you about a bill without all of hoo-hah. This bunch of Democrats? Good grief.
From the RNC
http://www.gop.com/obamaspendometer.htm
That’s a lot of money and no way to pay for it. So if any thinks he’s just going to tax the “Rich”…. HA!!!
Hopefully he’s not stupid enough to actually do any of these. But if that’s the case- what platform is he running on?
But don’t forget 95% of Americans are getting a federal tax cut… with 40%+ not paying any federal income taxes. That’s no small feat in itself.
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Nhdem…you’re really a jerk from MA …we call them mass holes here.
Larry..are you the guy who had sex with BO, or was that another Larry..you seem strung out..get back to the meetings.
I think Ifill’s book is probabaly going to be one of 15 books by the MSM crowd who are wiping BO’s a–now…
they all think they will be the one to get rich on Plastic Jesus.
30yr dem..you piece on RCP made me proud to know you, thanks.
I just can’t believe this …….
it’s laughable that Gwen Ifill is actually going to moderate the VP depate.
I think Dick Morris should moderate the next Presidential Debate, I mean, why not?
The Obama Jungen video made me want to vomit
An ethical journalist would have excused herself for conflict of interest but since there are no ethics anymore and we have reached “The Age of Aquar..oh I mean “The Age of Obama”, the nirvana, the utopia of the post modern intellectuals who use their higher education to employ young impressionable teenagers and college students, paying them 8.00/hr(that’s in Virginia at least)to spread the propaganda and then leave them with broken promises after it’s over. Palin could have Mother Teresa, God, Ghandi,and Jesus standing next to her supporting her and it wouldn’t amount to anything with the media–they’re out for blood. One wondes what the helkl is so threatening about her to these people. Did anyone read Taibbi’s piece in Rolling Stone–it’s off the charts–he not only shows hatred, disgust and contempt for Palin, he totally denigrates the American working classes trying to put food on the table, This 30 something nobody,Gonzo wannabe whose father works for NBC and who has never suffered a day in his life and who got his job because of his GE employed father–read “The Devils” by Dostoevsky, he was writing about this generation of bored wannabe revolutionists in the 19th century–sons and daughters of the privileged class who have nothing better to do but rebel with the likes of an amoral, dysfunctional punk like Obama.
No; an ethical journalist would have recognized there is a potential conflict of interest and disclosed this to the parties, leaving the decision as to whether she should continue in her role of moderator, up to them. (However, some professionals, in similar situations, are required either by law or license, to recuse themselves.)
That’s why you PUMAs can’t win. You never want to admit that you are wrong or give any credit to those who succeed. You lay blame on everyone and everything for your failures. Obama won the primary. There was no fix in. McCain is losing because he’s a lame duck candidate who makes bad decisions and belongs to the dreadful republican party. The media is not helping Obama, but McCain’s not helping himself with them. You can’t start a feud with the media and expect to win. Obama’s been cool, calm and collected, unlike McCain. America saw him keep his head about himself during this financial crisis while McCain was trying his best to become the story. His gamble did not pay off. This is costing McCain in the key battleground states and Obama’s pulled ahead in NC, NV, VA and most importantly FLA and OH. Stop playing the blame game and start looking a little harder at your candidates. McCain is war hero and a experienced politician, but he’s a lousy campaigner. Palin has executive experience but has abused the power of her office thereby betraying the public trust of the citizens of Wasilla and Alaska. Hillary just showed up expecting to win the Dem primary and didn’t work as hard as she needed to to win. By the time she got her head in the game, it was too late. She had no respect for any of her opponents, especially Obama. If Palin falls on her face tomorrow night, it won’t be because Gwen Ifill supposedly in the tank. It’s because she’s simply not ready for prime time. You’re basically admitting defeat by bringing up that the fix is in. Have some faith. She just might do well. So please behave like adults and stop blaming the world when things are not going your way.
Bravo! Well said.
Personally I think Palin will look sharp at times and at other times she will look inadequate. I think there is a significant chance for some gaffes by both her AND Biden.
I think the overall impression taken from the debate will be that:
- Ifill was impartial, fair, and professional.
- Palin is obviously not ready for primetime.
This will reflect negatively on mccain’s judgement in choosing her as his VP.
Think there’s any regret in the mccain campaign for not choosing Romney; especially in light of the financial crisis?
At least McCain makes actual decisions. Obama follows around the party leaders and then takes all the credit.
And you clearly are not paying attention or watching the same news as the rest of America if you don’t believe that the media is totally biased for Barack Obama. A recent poll showed something like 60% of all Americans believe that the media is biased towards Obama and are trying to help him win the election.
Clinton lost the primaries because she lost the cacuses which were set up to make sure Obama won. The DNC rigged the votes at the convention as well. There have been tons of articles and convention delegates come forward about this.
If Obama becomes President it will be the greatest farce in the history of our country.
Was that a Fox news poll?
Also, George Bush getting elected was the greatest farce in the history this nation. Or have you forgotten that?
Bulls—.
But it doesn’t matter.
In less than 35 days, Obama will be finished. The majority of the American voters will finally have their say.
And you Obamabrats will crawl back into the holes that you crawled out of.
Kelvin,please explain to me how Sen Obama W O N
the Democratic primary. Thanks.
View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
Superdelegates votes can not count until convention
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
This is excellent site too…
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
Obama & Vote Theft
He simply had more delegates than Hillary did at the end of the primary. The super-delegates obviously flocked to Obama because he had the best chance to win. Nothing more or nothing less.
If PBS had any credibility as a news source they would force Ifill to step aside and Jim Lehrer should take her place… with his own questions.
The “coke addled drunk” is in good company I guess you’d say with your weed smoking coke addict BO–he’s got the look, he’s actively using every chance he gets away from Mechelle and the Secret service.
Many viewers will assume bias on her part simply because 95% of blacks are for Bobo. And, if they do, with or without her assist, it will help Mcain/Palin.
Being “for” Obama is not the problem… as everybody should be for one or the other. But the problem is the book talking of an “age of Obama”. The title of the book implies impartiality. Just the perception of impartiality will alter the outcome. The purpose of these debates is to help voters get to know these candidates. It is not so that voters get to know Ms. Ifill, and it is not so that voters know all about her upcoming book. Unfortunately, it is too late ane a conflict exists. The debate will be changed if Ifill presides. The price for her stepping aside is the lesser of the two prices that would be paid. Ifill should step aside and yield to Lehrer. Lehrer did a fine job and has been praised for doing so.
Am soooooo glad they got that extra one hundred BILLION in there for bush to use at his
discretion.
It’s been a tough year for him.
The media is so biased that the backlash I expect will be awesome to watch.
If they expect riots when Barack loses, then the fun is about to begin.
NBC – National Barack Channel
CBS – Clearly Barack Sentric
ABC – All Barack Channel
MSNBC – Messiah Savior National Broadcast Channel
CNN – Clinton No-More News
Then I can see the newspapers going down the tubes, even quicker then their numbers have been fallen already.
The talking heads need to be purged.
Don Hendley said it best in “Dirty Laundry”
Yup..my local paper does nicely as a base in our guinea pig’s cage. Catches all the pee and poop that falls through the shavings. Fitting, eh?
obama is Jesus? Really ’cause as I recall Jesus just kinda walked the earth and people followed…he didn’t need a “sandwich board” {his own personal SEAL} to let everyone know that he was the “One”…hmmm….if you “have” to advertise it then in my thinking it must not be true…
Gwen..should have to anounce prior to asking the very first question that she does indeed have a book coming out in Jan…re Black politicans…since he is not African American i cannot write that…but according to his skin color he is “black” … maybe she really should have written a book on Arab American politicians…then she could have included him.
Racism…since the MSM has failed to vet this man as thoroughly as all of the other white candidates i would have to say that that in itself is racist…
Note on Commission e-mails:
ff@americangaming.org does not work for Frank Fahrenkopf, but the others do.
Jim Lehrer is old and white and has a book coming out titled, “Oh, Johnny.”
Clearly he was in the tank for McCain.
How about an update on NQ on the Berg vs Obama lawsuit??? Last week Obama and DNC moved to dismiss suit, and Berg has now countersued to keep suit alive.
Meanwhile, if there’s a Hawaiian birth certificate, why wouldn’t Obama produce it just to get it over with??? (maybe because it doesn’t exist and he’s really not a natural born citizen? — and thus not eligible to be President.)
There is some info on this site about it.
http://obamacrimes.com/
Or speculating further… maybe his parents didn’t name him BHO? Maybe that’s the name he named himself? He seldom misses the chance to go “on and on” how he got his name. What if that wasn’t exactly how it went down? But yes, what would be the problem in sending a staffer with the certificate to present it to a federal judge? Seems innocuous enough on the surface of it.
Yes, Ifill has a book coming out about minority politicians, which was public knowledge two weeks before the McCain camp agreed to the terms.
Either:
A) McCain’s camp has to admit to another failure at vetting.
B) They knew they could spin this issue just days before the debate to use as an excuse for anything percieved as
an attack on Palin…..very Rovian (and Schmidt being his protege, not hard to see)
C) How is this debate more tilted than Saddleback? Obama went into the Right’s house.
Also, the next Presidential debate will be moderated by Tom Brokaw, who has repeatedly made comments and quoted old data to support McCain, recently at the end of the last Meet the Press show. And he was also instrumental in having Chris Mattews and Olberman removed from their anchor posts.
So let’s get on the same page here, Palin can field dress a moose, but can’t handle a journalist.
Ok in order for something to be public knowledge the public has to know. And the public didn’t know until now.
But nice try.
And please stop the conspiracy theories. Brokaw in the tank for McCain? Please. And if he was responsible for getting rid of Matthews and Olbermann then good for him. At least someone was trying to keep NBC from losing all credibility.
Jim Lehrer is an Obama supporter, if you’re interested.
We all of us support one or the other… or we should. The book and the title of it is the problem.
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…Birds of a feather. I looked for link for show no luck…
http://urbancompass.net/?m=200609
Karl Rove: “She [Ifill] has a problem, the debate commission has a problem… this is appalling.”
On FOX News now.
OOPSY…
Turdblosom — such a fitting nickname.
Might I add that the National Anthem was playing in the Backround and both Jim and Gwen should have shown some respect.
That is what one does, isn’t it?
You need to read 30yrdem on RCP…it’s a great read.. It speaks for all of us.
There will not be another woman who wants to put herself out there after the debacle of this year.
The Palin/Hillary bias is so bad it’s own religion. It requires a HUGE leap of faith , that both of these women…THE ONLY TWO WOMEN running for POTUS/VPOTUS and who are nothing alike are both packaged as the devil incarnate,and very dumb.
THE SCORE IF YOUR KEEPING ONE ..43 MEN POTUS, WOMEN 0 / VP MEN 43 WOMEN 0…WOW women are so scary.
Sara Palin is going to be the first Woman VP
I will vote for McCain/Palin because of what the Democratic party and the corporate media (msm) have done to Hillary. I love my country and I will not ever vote for the fraud Obama and that is what Obama is a complete and total fraud.
But no worries Sara Palin will be a great Vice President and she is Damn GOOD AND READY TO be President if her country needs her to step up. NO Problem!
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It must be that Obama magic. You know, the magic that makes people trash disabled infants, little girls, teenagers, women, gays, and everyone that doesn’t agree with Obama and his supporters.
Funny how none of Obama’s “we’re not the racists” supporters have shown zero concern for the blacks in public housing that Obama ignored or the dead inner city black children that were victims of out of control street violence in Chicago that Obama also managed to ignore.
But none of that matters. Cuz Obama will heal us all. As soon as he gets around to it.
Why doesn’t Palin bring McCain along to hold her hand, like that interview with Katie Couric.
Because she’s a woman silly. If a man shows up to an interview with a supporter the supporter is doing his job.
If it’s a woman she needs hand holding.
See how easy sexism is?
The bias interview with Couric, where is it that anyone has ever seen a interviewer asking a question getting a response and then saying can you give me another answer.
What kind of carp is that Palin gives and answer and several time Couric wanted another line, that is plain gotcha tactics, if I don’t get you on the first round I will get you on the second.
Palin was asking about the supreme court she gave an answer Roe vs Wade, Couric wants another ruling geez you just got one why another.
Palin was asked what Mc Cain ever did name one she did she talked about the Fannie Mac stuff he brought to their attention, Couric wanted something else and so it went all through the interview to make Palin look like she is a air head and knows nothing.
I tell you the injustice some of these media people are doing I only hope if Obama wins this election and he gets in there and things begin to get bad they don’t hide, I want all of them to show their faces daily and stand the wrath of the public when people expectations start to diminish.
I just read an AP article where the Gwen hack defends herself by saying she’s not even written the chapter on Obama yet.
As if that matters! “The era of Obama” is written in the TITLE.
Well, if NPR has that much contempt for us, we need to give a little of their hatin’ back at ‘em.
Just cuz Obama is in the title of the book it has nothing to do with him.
Why would you think that?
Signed.
koolaide snorter
I would like to think that no one absolutly no one is going to get away with anything. So if Gwen Ifill tries anything shitty – Sara will lace it to her.