How Democrats Can Defeat Obama, See McCain Win, Still Get Everything They Want and Respect Themselves In The Morning
By Marc Rubin - The Denver Group on October 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM in Barack Obama, Democratic Nomination, Democratic Party, Hillary Clinton, John McCain
(bumped up by SusanUnPC)
Politics makes strange bedfellows. But one fellow most Democrats know they don’t want to be in bed with is Barack Obama. The other choice, John McCain, doesn’t sound too appealing to many Democrats either. The third choice is, as Sarah Palin would no doubt support, is abstinence. But the argument some make is that abstinence is the same as voting for John McCain. And it is.
Many Democrats seem to be going through a period of conflict over this election. They see Obama for what he is: a dishonest snake oil salesman, unfit and unqualified to be President, throwing out one sweet talking lie after another as the political Mr. Goodbar, trying to pick up as many votes as he can get. And while most reject him, they also are recoiling over the idea of having a one night stand with a Republican, any Republican, though the guilty pleasure of having Obama lose and cheating on the cheater is too good to resist. But what they worry about the most is, how will they feel in the morning?
Many of these are Clinton supporters who very much wanted to see Hillary Clinton get the nomination for a variety of reasons, including the historic ones. And while many supported Clinton for the breakthroughs she represented to women, the real reason Clinton was the superior candidate had nothing to do with gender. She was simply the more qualified candidate. And Obama is clearly unqualified and from a character point of view, unfit.
And so what would make a Clinton supporter, who viewed Obama as the clearly less able candidate, even consider voting for him now for President? The only reason seems to be either guilt over voting for a Republican, or a sense of not cheating on the Democratic Party; a party that this year cheated on them and violated every rule, procedure and principle of democracy in order to have a nominee that the majority of the party voted against.
There is also the ongoing belief that a Democrat, any Democrat, would be better than a Republican in the White House. And in most cases that would be true. But not this year.
The truth is, there are more good reasons to defeat Obama and the Obamacrats than to elect him, even for the staunchest of Democrats.
For those who actually think Barack Obama is qualified to be President, no amount of truth, logic or reason is going to change their minds. To do so means having to admit they were taken in and made fools of, and as any cop will tell you, most con men get away with their con because their marks are so embarrassed to admit they were taken, they just keep quiet.
Obama is simply unfit to be President in any way. Whether it was his serial lying about his relationship with Jeremiah Wright and what he knew and when he knew it, the fact that he was more than willing to tolerate Wright’s views of 9/11, and his views on race and never felt offended enough to walk out, to his lying to the people of Ohio about NAFTA and his other reversals and broken pledges on everything from public financing of campaigns to FISA, he is simply not someone you want to be in charge of the White House.
Aside from his dishonesty, clinical narcissism and almost pathological lack of conscience, he has no ability to do the job he is seeking and has never in his life ever exhibited even the smallest evidence that he could do it. On the basis of integrity, there is nothing to consider. Obama has no integrity and as far as we can see from his past, never did.
McCain on the other hand, though one can disagree with some of his policies, has in fact demonstrated that he is willing to stand up for what he believes, and more importantly, stand up to Republicans which, based on some of Obama’s policy statements makes Obama sound more Republican than McCain.
Yes McCain has agreed with Bush on a lot of things but Obama has actually agreed with Bush on more and based on his public pronouncements, it’s Obama that sounds more like a Bush 3rd term than McCain. Obama has endorsed Bush’s faith based initiatives which are clearly unconstitutional, endorsed Bush’s position on Iraq (let the commanders on the ground decide); now says he supported the surge, reversed himself on off-shore drilling so his position is now more Republican, reversed himself on the DC gun ban, and has said that “the Republican Party is the party of ideas.”
So for those Democrats are have been reluctant to vote for a Republican or see a Republican win on ideological grounds, what is it that they think they are getting with Obama?
McCain on the other hand, has broken with Republicans when his conscience told him to. He has incurred the wrath of Rush Limbaugh and conservatives over his position on illegal immigration, daring to take a more humane approach, and before that, incurred the wrath of many in his party with the McCain-Feingold bill in which McCain joined forces with one of the Senate’s most liberal Democrats to pass campaign finance reform. And sticking to that philosophy, is campaigning using public financing. Obama, who pledged to use public financing, reneged on it as soon as he became the nominee, leaving MoveOn, Maureen Dowd, and editors across the country feeling used and with tears on their pillows.
Like it or not, the record shows McCain is the real reformer and the real deal, while Obama is what most of the 18 million Democrats who voted against him know him to be — a snake oil salesman who has managed to bamboozle a lot of dumb, impressionable people. The Democratic ‘Mr. Goodbar’ has dumb media blonds like Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and almost everyone at Newsweek, the NY Times and CNN eating out of hand.
The other thing to keep in mind about McCain is that he is rated last by conservative groups in supporting conservative legislation. His voting record is ranked 49th among Republican Senators by conservative watch dog groups, which is why a lot of conservatives can’t stand him. In other words, disaffected liberal Democrats who can’t possibly in good conscience vote for Obama could do a lot worse than bringing McCain home to mother.
How absurd is the idea of Obama as President? Think about Obama being put in charge of the country’s nuclear codes. I know. It almost makes you laugh out loud. Do I think that Obama would actually do something stupid with those codes? No. I bring it up to point out the true absurdity of Obama being elected President, and to put a fine point on the realities of and the enormity of the job and its responsibilities and how woefully and laughably inadequate Barack Obama is to those responsibilities.
The final argument people try to use on Democrats who don’t support Obama is Roe v.Wade and that a McCain presidency would put that in danger. That is utter nonsense and fear mongering, and the people trying to use it to scare people know it.
First, regardless of McCain’s personal opinions, there is no indication that overturning Roe is in any way a priority or even a desire for him. Secondly, no President has been more outspoken against Roe and has made his preferences more clearly known than Bush and even with two conservative Supreme Court appointees it didn’t happen, has never come close to happening, and wouldn’t happen under McCain. And for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that even Scalia has expressed a great reluctance to overturn long standing precedent, especially that which would cause great social upheaval unless there were great, immediate and pressing concerns. And then there is always the issue of who would have standing to bring a direct challenge to Roe and the answer is practically no one, or it would have happened already.
Roe is no concern in a McCain presidency.
Aside from Obama’s unfitness for the job (which is reason enough) the other compelling reason for an Obama defeat is to reform and fumigate the Democratic Party which Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Chuck Schumer and others have turned into the Obamacratic Party which becomes more and more of an embarrassment every day as Pelosi’s disastrous performance with the bailout bill proved.
Obama is the nominee because of a dishonest primary in which these same people, along with the press, did everything possible to sell Obama as the nominee and do it as dishonestly as they knew how, including rigging the roll call vote, violating every Democratic Party rule and procedure in the process.
Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Fowler and every member of the DNC who engineered and went along with fixing the process needs to go. Those who won’t resign (though I think many will after an Obama defeat) need to have their power and their base removed, so the that the Democratic Party can air itself out. And the only way that can happen is with an Obama loss. And the bigger the better.
And with McCain promising that he will only serve one term, that becomes even more attractive. In 2012 there will be two new candidates running even if McCain wins.
Twenty-five years ago the Republican Party got through Watergate. This year the Democratic Party has to go through Fumigate and it can start with a big Obama loss. And on the morning of November 5th, with a McCain victory, the majority of Democrats can wake up, open the windows and let in the morning air. And they can feel good about the night before and McCain winning. Even if its only a one night stand.
*****
NOTE: Democrats For Principle Before Party has one commercial finished and two more in the works opposing Obama to be run in battleground states like Pa, Ohio, Florida and Michigan. You can contribute to the airing of these commercials and see our first spot by clicking here.
Cross-posted from Marc Rubin’s blogsite Tominpaine.
I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR HIM. NEVER!!!!
Well vote for Obama and lose your country forever to a person that is probably not even a citizen of this nation and that hates it. MCcain- Palin 08.
NO way
No how
No Obama, Ever!
If attorney Berg’s evidence is true, Obama may well be an illegal alien. Read the documents of this law suit, you will know that I am not joking.
The Democrats have been Robbing You Blind.
All that social justice stuff is just a cover for a trillion dollar rip off. In fact a trillion dollars may just be the down payment.
This is a nightmare that only those who are rescued by this foreclosure will enjoy. Everyone else will feel quite a pain.
After the last few weeks, and doing research that showed the dems to be the biggest cause of this economic mess….I feel pretty good about being a P.U.M.A. right now. Seems I switched just in time to not have to defend the indefensible. I did not know this stuff was going on, and I am amazed at the lofty words and humanitarian crap all this greed and money-grabbing was wrapped in. Now that my eyes are opened to the bull of the dems and that repubs actually have redeeeming qualities, I think i will stay unattached for now. Being clear eyed and picking candidates and causes on the merits not the party is the way i will go.
If nothing else came from this election, at least I am free now…as Dr king said “Free at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, I’m free at last”.
lorey — I am cheating on the Democrats and I have never felt better. I refuse to be abused by a party I have voted for all my life. Who knew they hated women the way they do? Who knew we had a financial crisis so severe that Pelosi would put off dealing with it so she could use it as an election year issue? What the DNC did to Hillary and Palin makes me sick. Yes I found a new man now. He is a war hero and he knows what its like to suffer for his country. By the way, he is a real man and he appeals to this real woman.
Oy vey…here we go again. you listen to Rubin from this neo-con facist site? First of all, there are far more people who DO think Obama is fit to be president, okay??? that’s reality. Hillary supported faith based initiatives – that’s a fact.
obama may have flip flopped on FISA, but the guy wants to win….that’s not NEARLY as big a turn as Bill Clinton pulled once in office.
your post is sooooooo lame, I cannot believe you all are still harping on the SAME issues that have proven to be lies – doesn’t it get tiring?
Susan,
FISA is not the only concern I have about Sen Obama.
Here are just a FEW of the reasons that I WILL NOT vote for Sen Obama. Can you provide some reasons why people would vote for him?
Sen Obama’s ACTUAL Legislative Accomplishments
http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/The_Obama_Craze_Count_Me_Out_5413.html
Beyondchron.org, The Obama Craze: Count Me out ” by Matt Gonzalez 2/27/08
Dear Mr. Obama: Who Are You?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4
This video is based 100 % on easily verifiable facts.
http://vodpod.com/watch/857180-why-chicagoans-are-against-obama
Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer (2008)
http://cbs4denver.com/national/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810882.html
Imagine McCain or Hillary or Palin doing this?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706_pf.html
(NOte the equivalence the Post makes between Hillary’s not WRODING her claims abbout her role in SCHIP with Obama’s lying and taking credit for doing next to nothing on the immigration bill.)
Obama is an empty suit. He has never held one meeting of the subcommitte on European affairs he chairs (except for mandatory ones to rubber stamp ambassadorial appointments).
He never wrote articles for the Harvard Law Review when he was in charge.
He seems to have accomplished little as a community organizer.
Most of the bills he takes credit for in Illinois were handed to him on a silver platter.
He took credit for passing a bill to force nuclear power plants to report radioactive leaks when he actually watered it down to make reporting voluntary after lobbyists from the industry schmoozed him.
In her short time in office Palin has gotten an agreement for a much needed natural gas pipeline that more experienced pols have been trying for years to get.
She raised taxes on the oil companies.
She assigned state inspectors to oversee their operations rather them relying on them to police themselves. (Too bad she wasn’t head of the SEC.)
She supported the lawsuit for to force Exxon to pay the court awarded damages from the Valdez spill.
AND -last but not least – she took on corruption in her own party. Contrast that with Obama’s aligning himself with the crooks in his local party machine in order to gain political advantage and it’s clear who is not qualified for high office.
OH NO – stop using my name! Now I am going to have to get a new name on this site! Why does it let somebody else use susan when I already am signed up using susan??
It’s not a registration thing, it’s a bit of an honor system. You’ll probably have to use a 0-bot proof name like I’m Not An 0bama Troll.
It’s irritating.
What turn is that Susan-let’s try to be specif. Non of that “blank slate” Obama crap for others to fill in. Show your evolved TRANSFORMATIONAL intelligence and be CLEAR!
Here’s a comment from an Obama supporter at the end of Marc Rubin’s excellent post. Just an example of the kind of freaks that are in Obama’s cult:
Fayaz said…
As the day of Obamas rising nears and the actions to kill the americans where they breath and sleep and work becomes the accepted politik, it is with deepest satisfaction that Obama has succeeded in the great split of american pride, will and determination, as americas final breath is, ironically, Obamas first.
OBAMA 08 – the year america finally dies
October 3, 2008 2:54 AM
That’s sick. I hate 0bama for what he has done to our country.
Yes, this is sick. And doesn’t Fayaz sound like a Muslim name to you?
Why do you think Hamas and all the radical Muslims love Obama? And why do you think they bow down and pray to Allah five times a day that he gets elected.
They know they can’t defeat America when they fight our brave troops, but they hope that can defeat us from right inside the Oval Office.
Radical Islamic Terrorists and Communists: an endless parade of human debris.
Obama IS a true American citizen just like you are. This BS about Obama and a fake birth certificate is totally NOT true! This is more Republican scare tactics. Democrats thinking of voting Republican need to read “Cracking the Code” by Thom Hartmann. It will open your eyes to what Republicans are really up to.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Thanks for everything you and Heidi have done, Marc. We really appreciate it and need people like you two.
“Politics makes strange bedfellows. But one fellow most Democrats know they don’t want to be in bed with is Barack Obama. The other choice, John McCain, doesn’t sound too appealing to many Democrats either. The third choice is, as Sarah Palin would no doubt support, is abstinence. But the argument some make is that abstinence is the same as voting for John McCain. And it is.”
Marc, confused by your last two sentences.
Abstinence isn’t the same as voting for John McCain.
I’m not sure whether you meant to write this, or it is a typo.
With voting fraud looking like it’s going to rampant, crazed Obama cheerleaders hitting the pavement, buses bringing in the homeless to have a burger and vote Obama, things are not so sunny.
I urge everyone to get up off their asses on election day and make sure they vote for McCain.
Vote for McCain for every reason Marc laid out in his post re Obama’s absolute inadequacy.
In addition to Obama having to experience and using this campaign to make his own racist statements — he is now cheating to win. So shall we tell our kids that if you study hard and play by the rules you can be shafted if you decided to run for president — for a guy who cut all the corners and is happy to cheat his way in.
No Obama — No Way
abstinence isnt the same as voting for McCain but its one of the choices and the result would be the same — an Obama defeat
don’t agree with you Marc. I think we need to make sure Obama is toast on Nov. 4. That means we vote.
Did anyone see the news on Fox where they were interviewing some of the homeless and/or convicts who were registering voters and who were ENCOURAGING THEM TO VOTE FOR OBAMA? Well, I won’t mention the color/race of the one female being interviewed, but she was young and was missing MOST OF HER TEETH in the front and was exclaiming to the reporter that she was recomending that the homeless/convicts vote for Obama. If this represents an ‘ad’ for Obama and why we should support him – well, you get where I’m going with this…
And you trust this story because it is on Fox News Channel? Hello, Fox is the Republican News Channel.
Did anyone see the news on Fox where they were interviewing some of the homeless and/or convicts who were registering voters and who were ENCOURAGING THEM TO VOTE FOR OBAMA? Well, I won’t mention the color/race of the one female being interviewed, but she was young and was missing MOST OF HER TEETH in the front and was exclaiming to the reporter that she was recommending that the homeless/convicts vote for Obama. If this represents an ‘ad’ for Obama and why we should support him – well, you get where I’m going with this…
LOL!! BO does attract an interesting array of supporters. At a quick stop this evening in LA there was a 20-something hippie looking guy standing in front with an Obama t-shirt on smoking a cigarette. I tried not to laugh at him when I walked by. He was such a tool as are all Obots.
Actually, the ‘theory’ that Obama attracts the ‘highly educated’ and ‘well informed’ is kind of disputed with such scenes as the young girl with no front teeth. I find it rather amusing.
Oh that makes a lot of sense KathyNeocon…a guy wearing an Obama t shirt smoking a cigarette is a tool….how is that? does he even know who the guy on his t shirt is? your comment just shows YOUR ignorance – what are you trying to say? young people or hippies or those who smoke all will vote for Obama?
I can no more vote for Obama who attended that “church” for 20 years with its Black Liberation Theology — the basic tenet of which is the separation of the r@ces — then I could vote for David Duke. Yep, I said it. Both alleged “men”(I use that word loosely) are intimately associated with a hate-filled group on opposite ends of the r@ce spectrum. This is not a “struggle” for me, just like it wasn’t a struggle for my die-hard Republican father to vote for Edwin Edwards when he ran against Duke for the LA governorship. My dad could have taken the “easy” passive-aggressive way out by not voting, but he gladly went to the voting booth and voted against Duke. I’m going to do the same & gladly vote against Obama.
Well said Angie – Excellent succinct points that I haven’t heard before. Thanks.
That’s the commercial. Show Rev. Wright ranting and Goddamning the USKKKofA, then show a clip of Obama saying he never heard him say those things. Then the voice over says “if Barack Obama doesn’t even know what’s going on in his own church that he attended for 20 years, how can he know what’s going on in America?”
I remember that race. Duke vs Eddie Edwards. Mississippi Burning was showing during the election at the Clearview theater on I 10. Duke and his brother went to all the St Pat’s parties around town. The bumper stickers all said, “Vote for the Crook, It’s important”. Thank God the crook won.
I went to the Web site for The Denver Group to donate again. Thank you for what you’re doing. Get those ads out at often as you can.
Get this marvelous article printed wherever you can. I’m thinking of making copies and leaving it in restaurants all around where I work.
Sunday Night: Hannity’s America….All about Barack Obama and his wonderful friends….Hannity says that no one else will do this…sounds interesting!
That’s right…that wing nut Hannity is the only one who will keep repeating the Obama bashing every night, and that is a fact. that guy is a racist pig – and not in the least intelligent. talk about dumbing down america, he does it every night.
Susan – Hannity DOES repeat himself BUT I’m sure he does it in case new viewers happen to be tuning in – whom, otherwise have no clue about Obama; afterall, the MSM keeps ALL OF OBAMA’S secrets secret. And, since when is telling the American people the thugs and other assorted shady associates Obama keeps company with is “RACIST”? Some of the jerks are even white – so how is THAT racist…?
Your reflexive cries of “racist this and racist that” are sooo BOOORING. And sooo OLD. If the only black guys ever nominated for POTUS are frickin’ Marxists, I’ll proudly never vote for one.
Sean Hannity,myself and many others are voting against the white half of Obama.
See, your not racist! Your voting against the white guy! ; )
Yeah! Tell you what … you vote for John this November, and I’ll vote for Hillary in 2012. It’s the only way to keep Barak from grabbing power.
Yup, if we get McCain in next month were going to owe a big favor to PUMA. Its unrealistic to predict the political landscape in 2012, so its probably irresponsible to commit to its form this early on, but the debt is noted & a Hillary vote next election is not off the table if we win in November.
Ok, lets say you guys get your wish and McCain gets in. Let’s see how much of a maverick he is when the neocons start calling in their markers. You know full well McCain had to make a deal with the extreme right wing of his party to get their support. How ‘maverick’ is it of him to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate? McCain had to pick a far right wack job to get the support of the wacko base of the Republican Party. How about the Supreme Court? There’s already four right wingers on the bench. McCain will have the chance to appoint another one or two judges. Again, since McCain sold his soul to the far right, he’s going to have to appoint right wing nut cases for the Supreme Court. Now for the icing on the cake. What if, God forbid, something happens to McCain after he’s in office. We then get PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN. Talk about UNQUALIFIED! Can anyone tell me how in any way, shape, or form she is competent enough to be Commander In Chief? Besides being unqualified, she is so far to the right she almost makes Bush look like a liberal.
Then go to Iran and see how life is there, because an Obama victory will produce the same effect.
I am an ex-hillary, so is my entire family. I don’t care if it was mickey mouse running against him, I would never vote for Obama. Mickey mouse has my vote, and I would get up in the morning with glee.
lol rofl. nice one, soldier.
Soldier — Ok I have never voted for a Republican in my life — but what’s the big deal? If the Republican is the more better candidate then he will get my vote. From now on I will not vote for Party I will vote for the best person. As for the Democrats, they have lived on the New Deal for 70 years and right now they bear no resemblance to those real Democrats who came before them. So long Pelosi, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters and Harry Reid. Call me when you get some real leaders.
In the bail out bill is millions of dollars for wooden arrows — says it all.
Have you ever taken ‘english’??? Think not, you should get along with sarah real well. the wooden arrows are probably an earmark for alaska….sarah has ammunition for her moose.
Susan – ‘english’ is spelled “English”. Also, ’sarah’ is spelled “Sarah” – you know, a proper noun is ALWAYS capitalized and so is ‘alaska’ (”Alaska”). Now, WHO has taken ‘English’????
Come come Brendy. The $5/hour Obots don’t understand capitalization. This is the text/IM generation. Punctuation and complete words are obselete, e.g. c u later.
Well, actually, I didn’t notice any ‘u’ or ‘u r’ – so I think maybe this person (Susan) might be a tad older and maybe a little bit ‘less educated’; there again – disputing the “highly educated” who are voting for Obummer. LOL!
Brendy, I’ve already posted this twice on this site, but for emphasis want to post this again — another example of the kind of human beings voting for Obama:
Fayaz said…
As the day of Obamas rising nears and the actions to kill the americans where they breath and sleep and work becomes the accepted politik, it is with deepest satisfaction that Obama has succeeded in the great split of american pride, will and determination, as americas final breath is, ironically, Obamas first.
OBAMA 08 – the year america finally dies
October 3, 2008 2:54 AM
Don’t forget–a lot of these “Obama supporters” live in Gaza and have trouble with English because it’s not their first language.
Exactly.
I don’t think Fayaz’s last name is Smith or Jones!
Exactly! And I don’t think Fayaz’s last name is Smith or Jones!
You ought to say “really well”, and not “real well”, kid.
what you said.
Soldier of Chris, I completely agree.
I’ve made the same statement before, but used Captain Kangaroo (rest in peace) as my imaginary candidate to vote for with glee.
I’m a lifelong Dem and I am NOT conflicted in the least.
O-Mama Sarah Palin rocks the house, as far as I’m concerned. Last night, we saw those 18 million crack in the glass ceiling get a little deeper.
McCain/Palin Nov. 4th
Exactly!
And Palin is a good role model for Americans – not just women and girls.
So true I would rather serve a BBQ and have the friendly Sarah Palin over than have a cheater round. Hell, he would bring all those cronies & there would be no food for the other guests they would cheat the way to the front….
How low will they go?
GO Sarah~~
just me – if you invited Obummer and his friends over, you’d have to make a run to the specialty health-food/organic (aka expensive) stores. LOL!
I love how cranky she makes the dems….guess they hate it when a liberated woman just doesn’t believe the way they want her to, but isn’t that what they said they were fighting for…women’s right to choose, Sarah just makes her choices different than they want and they hate her. So who is the true liberated woman?
Is it the ones hating her? Or the ones that say “not my choice but I respect her right to choose to be a republican”……
Question for you. If you were a Hillary supporter, how can you vote for the anti-Hillary, Sarah Palin. Tell me how Sarah Palin could even begin to hold a candle to Hillary Clinton.
Marc Rubin has my utmost respect and admiration.
PUMAs will decide this election.
Rock on PUMA!
NO BAMA!
NEVER, EVER, NOT IN THIS LIFETIME.
By the way, McCain will still win, unless we let Obama cheat like he did with the nomination.
I’m voting McCain-Palin!
Where does Obama stand on the issues THIS WEEK??
Obama has flipped and flopped and will say and do anything to win!
At least we know where McCain stands!
It’s difficult to monitor a moving target like Oblahma.
We NEED checks and balances – and OVERSIGHT – but Obama has NEVER bucked the Dems! And with our financial crisis, Dodd and Frank will STILL be running the show!
Dem Congress with Pres. McCain – YESSSS!
You better be looking at that Dem Congress very carefully – are you happy with the present dem congress – you want some more of the same !!!
Who do you think fought every step of the way against anything that would regulate FM & FM – you want to reward that?
Oh, please. The Democrats have had control of Congress for less than 2 years. The Republicans were in control from 1995-2006. 2 years in power does NOT collapse a government, but 11 years in power DOES. This economic mess can never be laid at the feet of Democrats.
The Republicans and their HUGE deficit, outrageous tax cuts for their wealthy cronies, the oil companies, no bid contracts for Halliburton and Bechtel, no oversight of anyone or anything and free reign spending CAN BE BLAMED. The idiot-in-chief had a surplus given to him by a DEMOCRATIC President Clinton…Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a reported federal surplus. Based on Congressional accounting rules, at the end of his presidency Clinton reported a surplus of $559 billion. The REPUBLICANS SQUANDERED IT ALL and we now have a HUGE DEFICIT AND a HUGE DEBT…thanks to them……The National Debt is $9.8 Trillion!
So please don’t tell people the Democrats are irresponsible with our tax dollars. Not only did the REPUBLICANS blow the $559 BILLION Clinton left them, but then added $482 BILLION! NOW, we can add on the $850 BILLION bailout dollars to the REPUBLICAN NATIONAL DEBT. No…REPUBLICANS are to blame for this fiscal mess. Not the Democrats.
my husband & i are sold!
when the veil was yanked off by the DNC during the clinton debacle, we were stunned at the corruption & depressed by the arrogance…
we’re now recovered & voting for McCain…
and we are not alone — in both our generation (40’s) & our parents we’ve seen more lifelong dems who will vote repub at least this once…
You speak for me!
The DNC and Dem leadership rigged the nomination for Oblahma from the gitgo! There was no need for primaries or caucuses because Dem reps and SDs – and the media – were in the tank for Oblahma all along.
I refuse to reward sleaziness and corruption – and have switched registration to Repub.
MY pastor says “God Bless America!”
I finally changed my party to Unaffiliated back in May, just before the NC primary. I worked and phone banked for Hillary all through the primary. She’s still my candidate – I miss her and believe in her. A strong progressive domestic agenda, and a strong, sensible foreign policy. What was not to like with Hillary – who I think is the most brilliant, courageous and gifted leader we’ve had in generations. I will vote for McCain-Palin, mainly because I trust that John McCain sincerely has the best interests of our country at heart.
Couldn’t have said it better.
Amen, but I’ve gone a step further and changed my affiliation to Republican since the cookes, cronies, and extremists took over the Democratic party. I’m staying right where I am, and I’m much happier. However if Hillary runs in 2012 I will proudly vote for her as a Republican because she loves this country and is tireless in her work and commitment to keep this country a great and proud nation.
KathyNeocon – I AM a Republican, but I (and all of the Republicans in my family) voted for Hillary in our primary. By the time our primary rolled around, our man had already lost (Romney), so we voted for Hillary. After watching her in her debates with Elstupo, my WHOLE family gained a new respect for her. We were hoping the oucome would be two PRO-AMERICANS to choose from – Hillary and McCain; unfortunately that didn’t happen. Now that Obama won the dem nominee, we are most definitely voting for McCain – and Palin has helped with our decision.
The sad thing is – the hard-core dems in my family who voted for Hillary are now voting for Obummer. It’s unbelieveable!
I also meant to add the word “TRUST” when I mentioned my family gained a new respect for Hillary.
Benjamin,
Ditto
Since you beleive in Hillary Clinton, will you vote for Sarah Palin for President? Because if anything happens to McCain once he’s in office that’s who you get.
Yes…in Georgia, where the Dems here are lifelong and once were very, very loyal to the party, many of us are voting McCain/Palin.
Even my 86 year old mama, a lifelong Dem, is voting for McCain and she thinks Sarah Palin is the greatest thing since sliced bread!
Eight members of my family that have always been Dems or Independents are voting McCain/Palin this year. Most of us supported Hillary in the primary and a couple are first time voters.
I have 10 family members who are lifelong Dems. who are voting for McCain, in 48 years i have never given a Rep.vote but will be proud to do it this time
On Glenn Beck, Obama trained Acorn workers….these people storm and protest banks and welfare offices, demanding loans and welfare for low income people. wow…
What states do they do this in? They don’t do it in NYC.
Glenn Beck = RIGHT WING NUT CASE.
I can’t believe this. I’m as strong a Hillary supporter as any of you but how can you dream of rewarding the Republicans for dragging the country down, from Iraq, to New Orleans, to the economy today? As for Roe, don’t be so sure. Palin (who would be Pres. of the Senate, if not one day POTUS) is crazy on the issue: <a href= “http://www.youtube.com/v/v77WekmM8F8&hl=en&fs=1″this clip this clip casts a clear light on where she stands on the issue. Every woman in America should see it. She tries to do her politician thing and squirm out of giving a straight answer, but Couric does her best to pin her down.
Palin’s response to a woman who has been raped and gotten pregnant as a result: sorry, but too bad — you are required to keep it.
I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for Obama. And Hillary agrees. As she said, you don’t ask the iceberg to fix the Titanic.
Seems you bought the fearmongering!
There was a clip on Fox News this morning – Planned Parenthood’s TV ad about rape victims in Wasilla paying for rape kits.
Not a shred of Truth to it!
The media CONCEALS damaging info about Oblahma and has been in the tank for him all along.
We’ve been through this for 8 years – with the media concealing info the Bush admin didn’t want aired.
And you want to continue it??
Scary!
Right before our eyes we watch Obama and Biden LIE – and the media ignores it!
And you’re worried about abortion?!? Palin has her personal and religious views but hasn’t fused religion with governance.
Biden also personally opposes abortion!
No, my friend. If you’re watching Faux News, you’re buying the Republican brand hook, line and sinker.
better get used to it. there are millions of us! And we will bring barky down because we care about the COUNTRY more than the PARTY.
Time to grow up. Principle before party. Country before party.
troll
People keep leaving out the fact that Biden is pro-life, too. That doesn’t mean he will force his personal view on the country anymore than Palin will. After all the corruption of the Democratic primaries, the manipulations by Pelosi, Reid, Brazile, et al, and the outright lies by Obama, I will never vote for the arrogant Chosen One. McCain won my vote when he showed his integrity and stood up for Hillary after that disgusting rant by Father Pfleger, while Obama used the staged opportunity to resign from the church. Obama will set women’s causes back 20 years. He already pays his female staffers less than his male staffers.
Harry Reid is the Senate majority leader and he is pro-life too — together with Bush, did they overturn Roe v. Wade?
The first six years of the Bush administration we were completely controlled by neocons — the executive branch and both houses — did they overturn Row v. Wade.
Let’s stop buying the koolaid about this political hot potato. It is nothing more than a rallying cry to the respective bases to get them fired up at election time.
You forgot Sarah supports the morning after pill, and all contraception. She has a right to her opinion, her beliefs, her faith. At least she’s not pretending to be religious only when it suits her. A hypocrite. Please give one reference to when she has tried to take away that right from any woman? You all go around making these accusations. Why are you not after Obama when Illinois CONTINUES to charge women with insurance for their rape kits? Ask him why women protested him because rape kits were constantly backlogged while he was an Illinois senator. Ask him why he voted for early release for rapist under good behavior? Ask him why he voted against denying anyone citizenship to this country that committed rape, stalking, domestic violence, crimes against children…Ask him how long does it take an infant to lay in a soiled linen room gasping for air to die, or starve to death? Etc. Etc. Don’t come here on your MORAL HIGH GROUND when you have no idea of the atrocities your own candidate committed!
Diana – I for one appreciate your thought-provoking and EXTREMELY accurate post. THANK YOU FOR POSTING YOUR VIEW – and the TRUTH! I wish to God only MORE people could read this!
That is a lie….she does NOT support the morning after pill or contraception. do you not listen or read???
and your lies on obama are just atrocious. typical hillary/mccain supporter – DUMB!!
I do believe Illinois still requires women to purchase their rape kits.
As for Palin’s views on sex education, she is against explicit sex education. The key word is “explicit”. Further, she has stated many times she is pro-contraception.
If you want to actually discuss issues, you ought to know your opponent’s positions. It will make the debate meaningful.
How would you define ‘explicit sex education’? Was she teaching her daughter abstinence only when her daughter got pregnant? If she believes in contraception what happened with her 17 year old daughter?
.
US NEWS & WORLD REPORT:
http://tinyurl.com/4ynmvw
http://tinyurl.com/4cg2xn
MS Magazine:
http://tinyurl.com/4gb8zw
S Amdt 1184 to S Amdt 1150 to S 1348
Obama voted NO
Project Vote Smart:
http://tinyurl.com/4j2hfw
Obama voted against it. Have to allow those rapist time off for good behavior too.
730 ILCS 130/County Jail Good Behavior Allowance Act
http://tinyurl.com/4v9ppr
The one vote against it? Obama
http://tinyurl.com/4vj2an
I could go on and on with this like he voted against installing software on school computers that would protect children from Porn sites and child predators. I won’t, like I said you have no idea how your candidate voted. It’s not SMEARS WHEN IT’S THE TRUTH!! There is plenty of information on the Born Alive Infant Act for you to research. Getting just your information from Pro-Obama sites and not researching any of the information given to you from other sites IS NOT AN EDUCATED VOTE. Now Please feel free to prove it wrong. He can’t change his voting record on the government pages, as much as he’d like too. Think twice before you call someone here Dumb again, making your own self look totally stupid!
She supports contraception, YOU should read.
The Catholic church, of which Joe Biden is a member does NOT support contraception…so what does that say about Joe Biden?
Well Judith, you are going to see a Titanic on our hands if Obama is elected. Obama does not have women’s rights as even in the top 40 of his playlist. You can believe otherwise and vote for him, but on that and many other issues you will be disappointed.
Palin was being interviewed and the interview was being edited, dont know if you caught that. When pressed on these kinds of issues politicians generally try to speak to their base and to their own personal beliefs. Palin did that. She is Pro-Life. She also said she did not support any kind of codified retribution on a woman getting an abortion. She didnt say ‘the woman is required to keep the resultant baby from a rape.’ You said that. That was your interpretation. However I dont hear her saying that. What she said is, the ultimate response is counseling and adoption. She didnt say that McCain/Palin would be going out of their way to shut down all the existing organizations that provide abortion for women today. There is a big difference between policy-making on anti-abortion and on having an opinion.
If Roe vs Wade has survived through Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, it or even other legislation can endure. Too much of the country believes it is a woman’s right to choose, as do I.
Im voting McCain/Palin because even though Palin is ProLife, so have many other people Ive respected. This is not the only issue in this campaign.
Better think again if you think Roe V Wade won’t be overturned. When McCain/Palin appoints a far right wing judge or two for The Supreme Court it’s open season on Roe V Wade and anything else the right is clamoring for. Can you say ‘Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage’?
Your ignorance is showing, please do not expect us to be as ignorant.
Sarah Palin has never said anyone was required to keep anything when raped. She said she would always support life even in the most horrific of events. I guess shame on her for not being an angry bitch and running for an abortion at first thought. What a lousy person she is! And while she would personally always choose life, she does not want the option of abortion to be dangerous and legal for someone that chooses that path.
Overturning Roe vs. Wade is a JOKE. Both political parties have been using this for over 35 years. If Roe vs. Wade was ever overturned, the “Choice” issue would go back to the states. The only ones who would panic are Pro-Life Politicians. The Democratic Congress is going to pick-up additional seats and that is where legislation is accomplished. Do you really believe that the Clintons want to lose not only their power but their battle against the far left of our Party? Do you really want to wake-up on 11/5 and have your country run by Pelosi, Reid, Obama and the corrupt political forces of Chicago?
I find it hard to believe that a true Clinton supporter would ever vote for Bambi. The Clinton
voters who so easily slid over to O’s campaign never had any insight into who Hillary and Bill (and Biden) truly think is a “great man”. They still don’t when they still repeat what they think “Hillary wants”. That stupid excuse
still being used that Hillary wants people to vote
for Obama is just that, stupid. Hillary wants to be POTUS. She wanted it this time around, but I’m sure she’ll be up to the task in 2012.
and that’s exactly why Bill keeps saying JOHN MCCAIN is a “great man”. He can’t bring himself to use those words to describe O.
I can’t beleive that a true Clinton supporter could vote for McCain/Palin or is that Palin/McCain. Anyone who is or ever was a TRUE Hillary Clinton supporter will walk into the voting booth on November 4th and write Hillary Clinton’s name in on their ballot.
I’m sorry, but bringing up Roe v. Wade is nothing but the fraidy cat Dems trying to force us to vote for Obama out of fear. You know this is not going to happen. As VP, Sarah can only cast a vote in the Senate if there is a tie vote, no other time. And if you will think this thing through logically, Roe v. Wade would not ever have a 50-50 vote.
Don’t swallow their lies. I’m not.
LOL, Carol, good for you. It’s been so long since I’ve seen this much discussion of Roe v. Wade on the NQ threads I’ve read, that I had almost forgotten some people might not have given up trying to use it to move HRC supporters to Obama.
Word to the newcomers: We’ve been there and done that. Been all through it six ways from Sunday in the comment sections of this blog. Roe v. Wade won’t gain you traction here.
How about support of workers rights to organize a union? Can you tell me how McCain/Palin supports workers right to organize? With a Republican in the White House, the destruction of unions will continue full speed ahead.
My vote for McCain is actually a vote for the Democratic Party. It is the only hope of restoring that party to the one I was proud of and felt a part of.
If Hillary really supported Obama, believe me there would be no doubt about it.
NObama ever
oklahomahills–I agree with you. The Democratic Party needs to be purged of these scoundrels before I ever go back.
I wouldn’t be so sure that Hillary agrees, no matter what she says or is told to say.
Good post, Marc.
Look at Bill’s messages lately. I am still trying to figure out which side of the fence he is really on.
Plus I cant wait until January and Bill tells all.
And who is to say that Hillary will be voting for obama???
No one but she will know, a process we do privately and individually!
We can’t fool ourselves. How many Democrat Senators and Congressman/women will vote Republican???
I’m sorry, but anything Couric does or says holds no sway with me after her pitiful performance in trying to humilate another woman. She had plenty of opportunity to help bring out the good in Palin and refused to do so.
judith — I will not reward a man who has no experience and has gotten 1/2 Billion from foreign countries and refuses to let us know who where these donations have come from. Last time I looked this was against the law. So because someone has a D after his name doesn’t mean he’s a good person. I am voting for an American who sacrificed for this country and doesn’t call himself a citizen of the world.
Judith,
the way I look at it-I am not voting for the republican party. I am voting for Sen McCain.
I respect his integrity, judgement, wisdom, strength of character. PERIOD.
With regards to Gov Palin’s response to a pregnant woman who has been raped…
Can you compare this to Sen Obama’s opposition to the partial birth abortion ban (BAIPA)?
If an attempt has been made to abort a fetus and fetus survives after it leaves the mother’s womb…
Sen Obama has STRONGLY PUSHED AGAINST USING ANY MEASURES TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE CHILD. LET IT DIE.
Please…stop using this argument against Gov Palin beacuse there is always Sen Obama’s position with BAIPA.
Like it or not, Gov Palin’s personal sentiments result in life and Sen Obama’s legislative actions result in sure death-slow, painful, agonizing death of the newly born baby .
I do not agree with Gov Palin’s position however I can agree to disagree with her.
I do not agree with Sen obama’s BAIPA position and as a human being I would do everything in my power to protect the life of a child that has been born alive on to this earth. Our constitution considers this baby that has been born and is out of the mother’s womb -it is considered a PERSON- a person who is now entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Roe vs Wade protects the right of the woman to have control over her own uterus. The Partial Birth Abortion Ban protects the right of a newly born baby(-born because of a botched abortion attempt-)to live.
You see the difference?
I can not have a civil disagreement with Sen Obama’s postion on BAIPA. It is a moral imperative as well as a constitutional issue for me.
P.S I am pro choice.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/18/finally-personal-vindication-but-a-major-new-problem-for-the-democratic-party/#more-4246
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBkYTYzZDNjNDgyMWJmMzMxYzljYjYxNmEwMTdhYWE
Life Lies by David Freddoso . National Review online (NRO) 8/17/08
Thanks for posting the article…NQ ROCKS!
FACTA NON VERBA!
DEEDS NOT WORDS!
I think change is comin to Washington…and it is wearin a stylish skirt…
I supported Hillary Clinton right to the end and have been a Dem all my life. I feel no shame or discomfort in voting for McCain this year for the very reasons stated in Marc’s essay. I not only distrust Obama’s competency but absolutely believe that the senior leadership of the Democratic Party is thoroughly corrupt–Dean, Pelosi, Frank, Brazile [and the list goes on].
They need to be outed and find employment elsewhere.
BTW, did anyone catch the slugfest on Fox last night between O’Reilly and Barney Frank. I frequently think O’Reilly is a windbag but he ripped Frank a new “you know what.”
I agree — My candidate is Hillary, but I learned way too much about how the dems operate to go for BO. So I’m for cleaning house the best and most honorable way we can, and that’s with McCain/Palin.
PUMA!!
I agree, I dont normally like these kinds of outbursts parading as interviews, but I think Barney Frank had it coming. sputtering about how all this is the Repubs fault. Im tired of these lies!
Ive been a Democrat all my life and Im ashamed of these people! They dont represent me, and worst of all they are playing politics right in the middle of absolute chaos and financial ruin of the Nation.
I could just choke them.
How many of us lifelong Democrats are ashamed of our party? I know I’m one. I just have to vote for the honorable man and the cheerful and proud woman who love their country.
They just make sense to me. I like them alot and feel great, for the first time in my life, about voting Republican all the way down ticket this year.
i for one am ashamed of the DemocRATS.
If you can vote a straight Republican ticket then you never were a Democrat. The Republican Party is run by the neocons and that should scare the hell out of anyone. Let’s remember what the Republicans have gave us. Iraq war, warrantless wiretapping, union busting, deregulation and privatization of everything under the sun. I agree there’s a few bad apples in the Democratic Party but not nearly as many as the Republicans have(think Mark Foley-gate,Jack Abramoff and George Allen’s macaca moment).
Obama was also helping to fund it…using Saul Alinsky tactics,
I wish with you until you said McCain pledged to serve one term only? Can you link a source? It sounds McCain pandering to me.
I saw a friend yesterday who has hated Bush as much as I have these last 8 yrs. She told me she is working the phones for Obama so I asked her to give me ONE REASON I should vote for him or one reason he was qualified to be President.
SHE COULD NOT NAME ONE REASON! She started by telling me what was wrong with Hillary–I told her since Hillary was no longer in the race to give me one reason to vote BO.
She couldn’t do it. This woman reads the NYT and liberal blogs; she had never heard half the stuff I knew about Bambi–his rise to power in Chicago; the money he’s taken from Wall St, etc.
She finally said, well, he’ll bring change. I wanted to scream! I think a lot of Dems are just like her.
I finally put a Nader sticker and a PUMA sticker on my bumper as a protest here in ObamaLand (SF Bay Area) but my husband and I are voting McCain/Palin because this is bigger than Hillary.
You’re right, the Democratic Party cannot be rewarded for their behavior and needs a big housecleaning.
the obama/acorn troop was trolling down ellis street today to register people. hal of them will have a hangover on nov. 4th. they get their checks on the 1st or the 3rd. that will be a great team support
I lived there for nearly 30 yrs so I know what youre talking about. Little tolerance for actual examination of issues, or anything that doesnt just take a hard line Left.
What I dont think people get is that these associations of Obama, his connections, his ties, it all reads like bad fiction. No one could believe that someone with so many questionable associations could be in such an exalted position. I think that many people simply dont believe what is being said about him. Truth is often stranger than fiction.
Judith, please reconsider your position1 This is no ordinary election – voting party is not an option if you love your country. An Obama win will change our country forever. Obama = the takeover of our country by radical socialists. Do you really want a preident who may not even be able to get an FBI clearance because of his association with people who bombed our capital—BOMBED OUR CAPITAL!! It’s insane he is even on the ticket… something sinister is at work here and we have a duty to stop it.
Juidth is a troll. You can tell a troll because when they write anything, Obama talking points come spilling out. They are incapable of coming up with any reason to vote for Obama that is not a well established talking point put out by his campaign.
Don’t waste your time on the trolls.
And now they always say how much they like and respect HRC and must abide by her request to vote Obambi. Yeah, right….
we will have more than abortions to worry about if O gets into office….
Wake up Judith!!
McCain/Palin 08
Judith, please reconsider your position1 This is no ordinary election – voting party is not an option if you love your country. An Obama win will change our country forever. Obama = the takeover of our country by radical socialists. Do you really want a president who may not even be able to get an FBI clearance because of his association with people who bombed our capital—BOMBED OUR CAPITAL!! It’s insane he is even on the ticket… something sinister is at work here and we have a duty to stop it.
Comment by judith weingarten | 2008-10-03 10:17:25
I can’t believe this. I’m as strong a Hillary supporter as any of you but how can you dream of rewarding the Republicans for dragging the country down, from Iraq, to New Orleans, to the economy today? As for Roe, don’t be so sure. Palin (who would be Pres. of the Senate, if not one day POTUS) is crazy on the issue: <a href= “http://www.youtube.com/v/v77WekmM8F8&hl=en&fs=1″this clip this clip casts a clear light on where she stands on the issue. Every woman in America should see it. She tries to do her politician thing and squirm out of giving a straight answer, but Couric does her best to pin her down.
Palin’s response to a woman who has been raped and gotten pregnant as a result: sorry, but too bad — you are required to keep it.
I’m gonna hold my nose and vote for Obama. And Hillary agrees. As she said, you don’t ask the iceberg to fix the Titanic.
—————————————————– The Republicans are not solely at fault for the mess we are in, the Democrats voted for this stuff too. Obama has received almost $1 million from Fannie and freddie in less than 3 yrs as a US Senator. Yeah he is a different kind of politician. As for Roe v Wade, McCain and Palin will not try to reverse it, that is you obama supporters using scare tactics that you acuse everyone else of using. I refuse to put an anti american into the office of President of the United States. Whether he
admits itlies about it or not, all the signs are there that he IS anti-american.cathy what in heaven’s name can you be thinking? our country’s future is at stake. so you disagree with palin on aborption. well excuse me i do too but i am voting for her. she doesn’t want to shove it down your throat. carter didn’t like it either but he didn’t want to shove down our throats either. they aren’t reversing roe v wade. the demcorats haven’t safeguarded anything include roe. they let the repubs take it all. in fact they wrapped it up and handed it to them. wake up and smell the corruption.
couric? you have to be kidding. she is frigging joke out to make palin look bad for obambi. don’t let the media lead you around by the nose. PLEASE!
sorry cathy, this above post is meant for judith weingarten.
We should not be short sighted, see what Obama is lying and shifting about everything, he is the only thing changing. Sorry, Clinton is not on the ticket.
It is time for what best for my country.
DNC ticket is not best for this country.
You know that and I know that so let the right thing.
Country First.
cathy 6224 — McCain warned of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He co-sponsored a bill for more oversight — it went nowhere. The Democrats allowed Fannie and Freddie to go belly up and watched as the banks failed because they were waiting for the ultimate scare issue to win the election. Also, let us not forget Franklin Raines who advises Obama and who took 90 Mill out before the axe fell. The Democratic Party is no longer the party of the people.
Roe vs Wade isn’t going to be overturned, regardless of any one’s personal belief, and her personal belief is what Governor Palin was addressing -her own ideal about personal choice & respect for unborn life. Do not try to exploit her views as a mandate about abortion; that is a cheap blow using an extremely difficult issue for every one! She has categorically opposes turning women into criminals over an abortion. I am pro-life too, but recognize that government can neither legislate respect for unborn life nor enforce most abortion procedures any more than it could enforce prohibition in the 1920’s-30’s.
Imo, the most restriction we will ever see on abortion under any administration would be in the government’s role of facilitating/funding them, and/or in legal clarification of the civil rights of the unborn who would be viable outside the womb. And, call me wrong, but i think the large majority of Americans view such procedures with disgust as well.
Lets put this another way: if abortion were ever made outright criminal on the national level here in the USA, i think Roe vs Wade would be pretty low on on our thermometer of worries. Why? We would all be more concerned about regaining the 1st & 2nd amendment, & 3rd & 4th, Balance of Powers, & etc etc etc… you get where i’m going.
But,again, thats just my opinion on an extremely difficult & charged issue; just like Governor Palin has her own opinion on the issue too, & all the rest of you do as well.
Marc, thank you for reaching across party lines with this article. I believe that this election we all are having to make some partisan concessions in order to safeguard our Capital value: the future of Liberty & democratic process in our Great nation.
As a Reagan conservative i find myself in an unprecedented place as well. I back a Republican, McCain that is more liberal than myself & dearly wishing he were running against a Democrat, HRC, who is more liberal than him. Why do i compromise? Because, that is what the nation needs right now, & i think that is what President Reagan would do right now too.
Lets consider some things here. I find it humorous that you list a number of reasons why Obama looks more like Bush than McCain. While we may take opposite sides on the virtue of those particular points, i share your disgust at Obama’s shameless lack of integrity in trying to adopt them as his own. Obama is a political doppleganger, and correct me if i’m wrong, but a doppleganger is only a shell of what it appears to be. Beneath the skin it is a monster!
I did not know McCain had promised to be a 1 term president, though it makes sense that he would be. I also appreciate that you dispel some misconceptions about Roe vs Wade. This is a radioactive issue that no 1 term administration is going to commit political suicide over, & no supreme court justice is going to risk civil upheaval for. McCain & Palin have both made it very clear that they have no intention of criminalizing abortion, regardless of their personal views on the issue. As much as Obama’s people have tried to use Palin’s conservative religious views against her, it just doesn’t stick. Both candidate’s on the Republican ticket have demonstrated a remarkably moderate, hands-off approach to matters of faith in personal choices and politics, and the Obama camp has earned serious credibility problems in such accusations.
From, a different angle, while we are discussing the politics of fear, let me point out one danger that is clear & present: unipolar extremism! We all saw how unhealthy 2000-2006 was under Bush with Republicans in majority. We are looking at this again if Obama is elected, but with Democrat majority. Would it surprise you that one-party dominance like that has nearly always proved disastrous in our nations history? Obama, together with the most hated & mistrusted congress in our nations history will not & CAN NOT bring our country together! he will inevitably polarize it more, tearing it asunder. Consider the other option. How much partisan damage can McCain do in a one term administration while checked by a Democrat majority in both houses? If anything, it behooves him to hold true to his campaign promise to work with the opposition in the interest of the American people. As a conservative, is this ideal to me? No, of course it isn’t. Problem is, i love America, and i know that i serve my conservative values better through bipartisanship than through stalwart obstructionism! On the other hand, Obama if elected will not need bipartisanship. He will not need cooperation. He can effectively get rubber stamp approval to turn his back on half the nation.
This is a year that requires Americans to set aside differences and unite! Mark has correctly pointed out that McCain is a moderate. As a Conservative or a Liberal, don’t lose sleep over voting for him next month. As a Liberal or a Conservative, you are not betraying your partisan values by doing so, you are defending them! I mean that! How so? Integrity! We keep our Nation & our democratic process intact, & survive to debate our differences 2008-2012. Now is not the time for partisan politics, now is the time to defeat Barry on November 4th!
Goblin Train — Its interesting to hear this from the other side. I have been a lifelong Dem as have my parents and their parents before them but I am not a liberal. I think they’re nuts. I am voting for McCain because he is moderate. I fear that Obama is a Dictator and will not govern with anyone in mind but himself. The Black Liberation Theology thing is what frightens me. I worry about all this money that was given to him and a media which will destroy anyone who stands in his way. I am willing to bite the bullet on issues I care about to make sure that we have a Principled man in the job.
TY, McPalin Hill
The BLT is pretty darn scary, and even little Elizabeth Hasselbeck on the View called Obama down on that -sad that she was harder on him than big bad Bill O was on the Factor. You know, over the years i’ve seen conspiracies & hate/fear rumors, come, go, recycle themselves again & on & on.
Problem here is that the claims of racism & hate mongering in BLT is not one of those rumors. Its advocates make little effort to disguise it. Study its history, read its books. It is proud to hate America, especially White America. In fact God doesn’t exist unless he exists to destroy the white man, & all whites share equally in the racial crimes of their ancestors simply by merit of their skin color.
However, the most outrageous aspect of this though is that its our own MSM treats the topic as radio-active. There is simply no way Obama can attend a BLT church for 20 years, or write the things he has in his books if he did not ascribe to the racist views of BLT. It obviously disqualifies him for consideration as CIC, but our media is too PC to tell the truth about racism in America. Cowards, all of them!
Since the president is checked by the legislative branch, how could a black president discriminate and punish white people? Scaring white people about having black people in places of power is one of the oldest tricks in the Republican play book. Detroit has had a black mayor for years and the white people in Detroit still get a fair shake.
I encourage everyone to go and see “An American Carol” at the theater.
It just came out today.
ya, hopefully i can get into town to see it later this weekend. If we make a point to go see it, maybe conservatives can start being represented in the film/entertainment business too.
McCain opposes equal pay for women.
Women staffers in Obama’s office make less on average than women working for McCain or Clinton.
I think this needs clarification. McCain’s female employees make MORE than the men in the campaign, where Obama’s make less compared to men in the campaign.
Maybe Obama is trying to prove the 77 cents number, that’s just about what he pays. McCain may not think he needs legislation because he’s not a dickhead to his female employees.
As of last month 13 or McCain’s top 20 staff were female making on the average of $1.01 per each $1.00 men made to Obama’s staff where 7 of the top 20 were female and made $0.77 for each dollar men made.
McCain chose Palin, Obama did not choose Hillary. Yep, McCain sure does hate women!
And the bill that McCain did not vote on – it was not that “females” could not sue their company after 180 days for unequal pay. It was that “workers” could not sure their company after 180 days for unequal pay. (Just so happened to be more were female then men.)
McCain didn’t choose Palin. The right wing nut case base of the party TOLD McCain he had to pick Palin.
Good point. One thing. I’ve seen the pay schedule for both Obama and McCain Senate staffers – which may or may not include campaign personnel.
McCain pays women, on average, better than Obama.
McCain pays more to women in higher positions and has more women in higher positions than Obama.
Women working for McCain average more money than the men and hold most high level positions and average more than men in those higher positions.
In both cases, overall average and average of high paying positions, McCain pays women more than Obama AND pays women more than men on his staff.
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=35972
—
While Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign has produced a
television ad criticizing Sen. John McCain’s position on equal pay for
women and pointing out that women in America are paid only 77 cents on
the dollar compared to men, Obama pays his own female Senate staffers,
on average, only 78 percent of what he pays male staffers.
Women on McCain’s staff, meanwhile, earn 24 percent more on average
than women on Obama’s Senate staff. McCain also pays his female
Senate staff members a higher average salary than his male Senate
staff members.
Women occupy seven of the top 10 highest-paid positions on McCain’s
staff, and five of the top 10 highest-paid positions on Obama’s staff.
The numbers come from the most recent Report of the Secretary of the
Senate, which includes the salaries of every member of each U.S.
senator’s staff during the period of Oct. 1, 2007 through March 31,
2008.
This is the second consecutive six-month period reviewed by
CNSNews.com in which McCain, an Arizona Republican, has paid women on
his Senate staff a higher average salary than he pays men and Obama
has paid men a higher average salary than he pays women.
The pay gap between men and women in McCain’s office closed in the
most recent six-month period compared to the previous period, but the
pay gap widened slightly in Obama’s office. The CNSNews.com analysis
included all staff members for each Senator—except those listed as
“interns”—that were included in the Report of the Secretary of the
Senate.
Gender issues have played a role in the presidential race recently as
McCain picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, the first
woman to be nominated for vice president by the Republican Party. This
week, the National Organization for Women formally endorsed Obama for
president.
In the period from October 1 through March 31, Obama paid women on his
Senate staff an average annual salary of $44,953.21, which was $12,472
less than the $57,425.00 average annual salary he paid men. Women
outnumbered men on the staff 30 to 27.
McCain paid women on his Senate staff an average annual salary of
$55,777.39, which was marginally higher than the average annual salary
of $55,165.29 that he paid men.
(complete article at link above)
That is why Mccains senate staff has more women than men and pays the women $1.04 to the mans $1.00. Obama in turn pays women .84 to the mans $1.00 and has more men then women. As reported by senate records. Another example of Obama’s blah blah blah or shall I say PRESENT
Try looking at the facts about McCain and pay equity: He’s the only candidate who is genuinely in favor of equal pay for women and men who do the same job:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=NjE3OWVmZjkzN2YyNDgzOGFjMGE1ZDg4YjE0ZjQ4NDc=
Biden Bucks His Equity Talk
For every dollar that he paid his average male staffer, his female equivalent made only 73 cents.
By Deroy Murdock
Two weeks ago, I explored the gap between Barack Obama’s rhetoric on pay equity and the reality of how he pays women in his Senate office. While Obama preaches equal pay for equal work, he does not practice it on Capitol Hill.
Well, it turns out that his running mate, Joe Biden, is even worse.
Based on calculations using Senate pay records posted by LegiStorm.com, a political transparency organization, between October 1, 2007 and March 31, 2008, Obama’s 28 male staffers divided among themselves total payroll expenditures of $1,523,120. Thus, Obama’s average male employee earned $54,397 on an annualized basis.
Obama’s 30 female employees split $1,354,580 among themselves, or $45,152, on average.
Among Obama’s top five highest-paid — and likely most senior — employees, one was female. Among his top 20, seven were women.
All told, for every dollar that Obama paid his average male staffer, his female counterpart made just 83 cents.
As for Biden, his 14 male staffers split a total payroll outlay of $1,077,128.40. So, Biden’s average male employee earned $76,937.74 per annum.
Biden’s 27 female employees divided $1,517,874.47, or $56,217.57, on average.
Among Biden’s top five highest-paid aides, one was a woman. Among the top 20, 11 were women.
All told, for every dollar that Biden paid his average male staffer, his female equivalent made only 73 cents.
This number is significant. Not only does Biden discount women by more than a quarter per dollar paid to men, on average. Biden collides into the standard by which his own campaign berates major companies for alleged pay discrimination.
Beneath the website banner “Fighting for Pay Equity,” Obama-Biden’s women’s issues page complains that, “Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. A recent study estimates it will take another 47 years for women to close the wage gap with men at Fortune 500 corporate offices.”
Biden actually pays his average female employees four cents less than the level that triggers outrage on his own campaign’s website!
Nevertheless, Obama and Biden have the gall to go after McCain on this topic. The Democrats Monday launched an ad in Ohio in which Lilly Ledbetter, a Supreme Court litigant on pay equity, attacks McCain because he “opposed a law to give women equal pay for equal work. And he dismissed the wage gap, saying women just need education and training.”
McCain told the Associated Press last April 23: “I am all in favor of pay equity for women, but this kind of legislation, as is typical of what’s being proposed by my friends on the other side of the aisle, opens us up to lawsuits for all kinds of problems…This is government playing a much, much greater role in the business of a private-enterprise system.”
Far more important is that McCain actually follows Obama and Biden’s gospel on this issue, almost to a fault.
McCain’s 17 male staffers split $916,914, thus averaging $53,936. His 25 female employees divided $1,396,958 and averaged $55,878.
On average, these figures show, women in John McCain’s Senate office make $1.04 for every dollar a man makes — a full 31 cents higher than Biden pays. (For detailed figures see this chart. I outline my methodology in my previous piece.)
In short, when it comes to implementing pay equity on Capitol Hill, the Democratic nominees talk a great game. However, in a three-way match-up, McCain earns the gold medal while Obama and Biden score silver and bronze, respectively.
To hear Obama and Biden taunt McCain on this issue is like being at the Beijing Olympics and hearing 200-meter butterfly medalists Cseh Laszlo of Hungary (silver) and Matsuda Takeshi of Japan (bronze) tell America’s gold-plated Michael Phelps to go take swimming lessons.
Proclaiming anyone in public offices wants to revoke the Civil Rights Acts in order to allow employers to pay their female employees less than they pay their male employees only confirms your ignorance of the facts. (Perhaps you meant to say that Senator McCain opposes a law that would extend the 180-day statute of limitations for filing a discrimination complaint under the Act, based on a claim of pay inequity?)
i won’t vote for obama now or ever. he is pathetic. we need a caretaker and i guess mccain is the one for that.
stodgie — This is part of an e-mail I received from The Republican Party. It has gotten practically no coverage at all. Obama is cheating in this election already. This is not the kind of person I would ever vote for.
The stakes are extremely high and voters are already casting their ballots for the general election. You may have heard the media reports out of Ohio about same-day registration and voting. The Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies are exploiting loopholes in Ohio election laws that we fear may result in unqualified voters casting ballots. They’re also hoping our voters will be so confused, that they will throw up their hands in frustration and stay at home instead of voting. That’s why it’s important to re-double our efforts.
The Democratic Secretary of State in Ohio even tried to disqualify thousands of Republican absentee ballot applications. She enlisted the help of liberal partisan friends and special interest groups when we challenged this in court. Thankfully, we were successful in taking the case all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court and won the right to reinstate these absentee ballot applications. The Obama-Biden Democrats will likely try this shameful, partisan tactic in other targeted states. They’ll do anything to win this election
Why would you trust an email from the Republican Party? Read this article and tell me how honest the Republicans are. It is about Republicans and voter caging. http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814237.ece
No conflict for me. I voted for Edwards, but the more I learned about Obama the less I either liked or respected him. I’ve been reading about him for eight months. Nothing could get me to vote for him. I was thinking of voting for Nader, but the continued misogyn and sexism of the Obama followers and the voting fraud that has taken place already has now put me unapologetically in the McCain camp. My husband and I have 60 years of voting for Democrats between us and he will vote McCain as well.
I just went on the View webpage and sent them an email.
Elisabeth you need to leave THE OBAMA VIEW, let Woopie and Toy go over to CNN or CNBC. Barbara I was a fan of yours and the Show I have probably watched every interview you have conducted except for the ones that you conducted behind closed doors, and I have stopped watching THE OBAMA VIEW. Oh and I’m a Democrat voting for the McCain/Palin ticket. Why you continue to ignore to talk about Obama and his thug friends is just unbelievable. You consistently BASH Palin, but you have never described in detail anything about Obama, except that he is handsome “LOL”. An Obama is the one running for POTUS with the only executive experience that he has on his hidden resume being the head of The Chicago Annenberg Challenge that had a budget of $100 million with Bill Ayers. I Challenge the View to talk about the Chicago Annenberg Chanllenge….. I DARE YOU!!
Watch this video of black boys following Obama. It is scary like a cult type following.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUEQz5dltmI&eurl=http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/03/puma-politics-obama-definitely-has-changed-america/
wow what next? not the kind of video cnn is willing to show. Is this the new civil army BO is talking about? Sick little puppies. Sickening!
Forward it to FOXNEWS!! I just did…
Oreilly@foxnews.com; Hannity@foxnews.com
WTF???!!!….Did those Boys even understand what they are doing? Because of Obama I will____________ fill in the blank BS….This is truly obnoxious exploitation
Look into their school—It is a charter school with the lowest performance I’ve seen. Must be very slack where they are. Why aren’t these boys practicing math or English?
This kind of stuff will not end very pretty.
I have a feeling this century will end up very much like the previous century. Do you think Mexico and Canada will take many Americans in when they begin to run in those directions. Canada will be easier since we are building a fence with Mexico to keep us inside this country.
first, we see the children, now the boys. what next? young men and women pledging alliegance to obama in military fatigues? scary.
You know, I never looked at the fence that way…
oh wow, me either. …..
I find it more and more interesting that so many people that I know believe in their gut that this the MOST important election of our lifetime. It’s because we know there is something that is just not right with this “movement”. There is so much aggression, hate, anger, thievery and thuggery with many of the Obama supporters and surrogates.
And the Republicans are all goodness and light who love their country so much they’re willing to out a CIA agent because her husband spoke the truth about Bush. You know this is true because Larry Johnson said so right here on this site.
Don’t worry about fences…I live just north of the border and up to 1,000 illegals come across every day.There is no fence,unfortunately, and our beautiful desert is trashed!
That is even creepier than the blue children singing.
On the other hand, what’s wrong with giving them what they want as soon as possible. If one of them wants to be a heart surgeon, we should give him his degree as soon as he finish with his one page application and pay a 10 dollar processing fee. And those who want to be engineers should get to work in designing a bridge as soon as he can purchase a no. 2 Ticonderoga pencil and a notebook.
I don’t see why we cannot be like in Zimbabwe, everyone a multi multi billionaire.
The only way to assure that BO does not win is to vote for McCain. Staying home, voting third party or writing in a name is a vote for Barack Obama. John McCain is a man of honor and a good strong leader. He is a patriotic American hero who always has and always will put country first.
WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
McCain/Palin ‘08 Country First
Yes John McCain is a man of honor. Obama does not know what the word honor means. Making the statement that our troops in Afghanistan are bombing and killing civilians or words to that effect, are words that come from a dishonorable person.
I don’t even want to think about where Obama would lead us.
Do you think that Obama supported fisa in anticipation of stealing this election? Web sites like this will be a thing of the past if he wins comrades.
PUMA for McCain/Palin
In four years the time you have spent in this blog will cost you more money than you can think. Not many people will be surfing like today.
psychic — Obama himself said that he would have to reform the internet. Right now there are so many sites which confuse people and make them angry we must stop that.
McPalin, He said that?
Country before party.
McCain/Palin on Nov. 4th.
Crack the glass ceiling wide open once and for all.
My 94 year old dad is voting for McCain/Palin. It is the first time that he has voted Republican for POTUS ever. He’s been voting since the 1930’s and voted for FDR!!!
He understands that the “DEMONCRATS” – as he calls them – have sold themselves to the devil by subverting votes, money, people and rules in order to have Obama run.
WE all feel that the DEMS don’t deserve the election.
GOD BLESS YOUR DAD Buzz…94 he sounds like Hoot. Lot of Wisdom there…
Buzz Latte…….. I love your 94 yr old daddy. Give him a big smooch for me! In fact, he raised a dern smart daughter too.
buzz — God bless your dad. He is a man who lived through WW2 and saw how close Hitler got to taking this country. My parents told me it was a scary time in the 30’s. No one knew if the Fascists or the Communists were going to take over this country which was reeling from the Great Depression. Thank God we had a strong leader like Roosevelt who kept our Democracy in tact. Who know what would happen with Obama in?
When you all were fighting for Hillary many respected you. When you stopped fighting for Hillary and simply fought against Obama many understood.
Now we visit and see you advocate for Palin we can only be sad for you.
Best of luck, it looks like you all are going to need some
simple logic, bill. we are fighting obama by advocating for palin.
Benny …. ask “Bill” which of the Democrats in Cuyahoga County he’s proud of? The one who got sentenced today for 15 months for porn on his computer and alleged that his ex-wife “lured” hm into it? The two who are under investigation by the FBI? There are so many to choose from … there was a seat vacated and one of the contenders for that council seat was a convicted criminal and couldn’t understand why he wasn’t qualified. Sounds like he’s voting straight 0bama ticket, doesn’t it?
many trolls today. sarah must have scared the s**t out of them, beebop.
How about Dennis Kucinich. He’s from Ohio. Fine liberal and a Democrat. A good man who’s really for the little guy and The Constitution. Repubs have their bad guys. I guess you forgot Mark Foley, the Florida Republican who cybered with 16 year old boys from his office on Capitol Hill.
Sad but true. No party has a monopoly on scoundrels, & it doesn’t do us any good to measure each other with stacks of rotten apples.
No, when your picking apples, you keep the good ones, & feed the rest to the hogs. That’s what we gotta do with BO on November 4th: send him on down to the hog pen! ; )
Obama is disingenuous, why should we change?
Don”t be sad for me “Bill” be sad for those of you who have been duped by the biggest con artist and flim-flam man of the century, B. Hussein Obama.
Country before party!
McCain/Palin ‘08
nice talking points! ; )
bill Ohio — Guess you like the cheating going on in Ohio right now. Obama is bussing in the homeless and having same day registration. Nice Huh?
I admire Sarah Palin because she is honest, principled, smart and decent. I will be proud to vote for her.
If it bothers you so much you should have gotten an honest candidater.
I guess you like the Republican caging going on in Florida. Those Republicans are just so gosh darned honest!
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814237.ece
We’re not done fighting against Obama.
Bill don’t feel sorry for me i saw the light.
FINALLY SOMEONE CALLS IT RIGHT:
Palin: Statements on war should disqualify Obama as commander-in-chief
In a remark that is sure to be controversial, Palin also told Cameron that Barack Obama’s statements “about the war” should “disqualify someone from consideration as the next commander in chief,” because “some of his comments about Afghanistan and what we’re doing there — supposedly just air-raiding villages and killing civilians — that’s reckless.”
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_Statements_on_war_should_disqualify_1003.html
agree…thanks for posting the link Harp. Of course Barky has nothin at stake…It’s not like he cares about the country or has a son in the military so he can be Americas whineycomplainer in chief…Palin acts insulted by Barky’s candidacy…she’ right to be…I am too.YOU BETCHA!
Here’s the video of Obama stating U.S. is air raiding villages and killing civilians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY
Here’s the video of Obama stating U.S. is air raiding villages and killing civilians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY
BO is clearly unfit to be CIC.
Absolutely. Anyone with any common sense can see that we will be completely exposed to ridicule and legal actions if this idiot is installed.
I am voting for John McCain. Im not going to reward bad behavior with my vote.
If the Obama and Clinton situation was reversed and Obama was the best person for the presidency then I would have voted for him. There are just too much evidence against Obama for any rational person to come to any other conclusion than the fact that he is a phony. I don’t feel any guilt at all for voting for McCain. As a matter of fact, I would feel guilty if I voted for anyone, whether white , black , or any other color who was or is like Obama.
Gee OhioBill thanks for the permission to speak our minds and actually KNOW the candidates.
Now, we have pity for you because you cannnot answer this simple question:
What has Obama done for anyone?
Or this one:
Is Barack Obama a legal citizen of the United States of America?
Or this one:
Does Barack Obama have dual citizenship or is he a citizen of Indonesia only?
Or how about this one:
Why do terrorists, middle eastern arms dealers, black liberation theologists, and convicted felons appear to be the only influential friends Obama has?
You Obots are the ones who need the luck.
Meanwhile the rest of us will act as patriots instead of brainless parrots!
You, my friend, have bought all the Republican 527 scare tactics. If you go to http://www.snopes.com and search you will find all of your so called facts are just plain not true.
LOL right. and who are “they”? once again, the self-delusion of this place never ceases to amaze me.
keep being amazed. and after the GE, you’ll remain permanently amazed.
WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED
As Americans, we expect certain liberties and rights that were granted to us by our forefathers. WE THE PEOPLE expect that these fundamental rights will always be protected.
In the Democratic Primary, this was not the case. The DNC deprived voters of their choice of Hillary Clinton as Democratic nominee. Senator Clinton, by all accounts, except caucuses, won the Primary Election and, therefore, should be the 2008 Democratic Nominee.
That didn’t happen, due largely to illegitimate and illegal acts. We have many accounts from caucus states recounting threats, intimidation, lies, stolen documents, falsified documents, busing in voters in exchange for paying for “dinners, I-pods”,etc.
There are at least 2000 complaints, in Texas alone, of irregularities directed towards the Obama Campaign.
This documentary is about the disenfranchising of Americans by the DNC and the Obama Campaign. We the People have made this film. Democrats have sent in their stories from all parts of America.
We believe Obama’s Chicago Machine of dirty politics encouraged and created an army to steal caucus packets, falsify documents, change results, allow unregistered people to vote, scare and intimidate Hillary supporters, stalk them, threaten them, lock them out of their polling places, silence their voices and stop their right to vote, which is all documented in WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED.
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
…
Hillary2012
WATCH THESE TOO-
View the video’s released on August 9th 2008 by the Sam J
Ervin Jr, former chairman of Watergate commission, library and museum in Morgantown NC. According to producers, the DNC (with the support of the MSM) has perpetuated a crime and fraud against the American voters by claiming Obama as the presumptive nominee.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPCunsrI1Q
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-Khsg8iKjU
Superdelegates votes can not count until convention
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpz8AJk8TM
*VERY IMPORTANT PART: Why Obama is not the presumptive nominee
- these videos are very educational, interesting, and well-researched and documented. People are indeed repeating history. What is happening in 2008 has happened several times in the past. Educate your fellow voters. Forward these links to others.
http://www.lynettelong.com/caucusfraud/
This is excellent site too…
BREAKING!!!!
BREAKING!!!!
BREAKING!!!!
Obama has met Ayers, but the two are not close!
Source: NY Times
is that all you have? keep ignoring facts? same old, same old. NYT? lol
I think by “breaking, breaking” he’s just warning us that he’s about to break wind.
Newsweek has an article up about Obama lying ONCE AGAIN about McCain’s stand on Social Security:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/162103?from=rss
“…warning us he’s about to break wind”
Oh, so that’s why his posts stink!
that so called “coffee” was in Ayers living room and Obama’s political career was kicked off on the “front steps” of ayers home. as someone who works with elected officials – the phrase of “you scratch my back and I scratch yours” stands out for me and scares me when I think about Obama repaying Ayers.
Yea, can Obama be trusted not to make Bill Ayers his Secretary of Education.
Investigative reporting by the NYT? That’s laughable.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/08/27/obamas-ayers-problem-deepens/
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/26/newly-released-documents-highlight-obamas-relationship-with-ayers/
There is more you can find if you just Google Obama and Ayers.
Hmm, Michelle Malkin, total right wing nut case. Fox News Channel is the Republican News Channel. Owned by conservative Rupert Murdoch and run by conservative Roger Ailes. No bias there huh.
I don’t believe this statement of the NYT is the full story. I think Obama met Ayers when he was at Columbia University. This would have been in the early 80s, not 1994 as the NYT says. Ayers was staying in NY at the time and lived a block from the campus. A druggy friend of Obama’s knew Ayers and they partied together – I think. I read where they were in close proximity and they had the connection of the druggy friend.
LMAO FF.. how lame.. do you think that the folks on this board are just now learning the FACTS about 0bama? We have been researching him since 2007!!!!!He’s a crook and a liar and we will NEVER vote for him!!!!
I will be voting for McCain/Palin despite my many disagreements with them, simply because Obama and his DNC thugs have spat upon and subverted democracy.
I will vote for someone I think is wrong on some things, but a decent and honorable man, before I will vote for someone who wants to take the corrupt Chicago Machine national. It’s that simple for me.
Obama is a thug and a liar. The smear campaign he waged against the Clintons cannot be forgiven.
He will NOT get my vote – ever.
However, the economy is wrecked under Bush, and of course the media, and therefore the power, is blatantly supporting Obama.
Add to this the GOP is not putting up much of a fight (they should have Obama’s shady character on national display by now)- and it seems clear where we are headed.
Not counting out an October surprise, but not counting on it either.
October surprise could be “Bomb,bomb,bomb. Bomb Iran” That line courtesy John McCain. Let’s not forget the party that John McCain belongs to. He has to tow the right wing party line or he’s toast.
psychic
“web sites like this will be a thing of the past if BO wins”
That is exactly right, it’s already happening with the mainstream media–no negative stories can break through, it’s happening now. The Castro style indoctrination of children, it’s happening with the teahers unions, the “Obama” day, the cultlike Stalinist posters, magazine covers, etc its happening now. Intimidation, email threats,shutting down radio programs–this is right out of Putin’s KGB days–Oh well we’ll need a Radio Free America just like they had during the Cold War in Europe to get our information underground–If BO wins welcome to the U.S.A. United Socialists of America.
Maybe Castro can set something up to broadcast out of Cuba….
I doubt it – Castro supports Obama.
Whoa – Fidel Castro? The COMMUNIST Cuban leader?? That Castro??
Now, why doesn’t that terrify most American Obama supporters?
Because most American Obama supporters support Castro too..it’s a lovey-dovey, hopey-changy
circle jerkgroup hug, don’tcha know?If they all have their way our great, free and proud nation will exist no more, it will be the USSA (United Socialist State of America.
The god and goddess help us all.
Hmmm…aint that the truth
Can you imagine a little group like the Obama kids we just saw above showing up in front of a home and doing a little dance of intimidation.
Excuse me while I fantasize:
Obama wins by landslide.
Lower 48 become a police state.
Governor Palin leads Alaska to withdraw from the union.
Underground railroad across Canada transports refugees to sanctuary in AK.
I’ve always been a crummy prophet. I sure hope I’m wrong once again.
Yep.
Marc, good read, esp the comment about the dumb blondes on msnbo, Tweety and Keith O.
I am voting for McCain/Palin because Obama is unqualified to be CIC and Dean, Pelosi et al. need to be ejected.
The DNC thugs must be punished and we must get our party back.
Plus, the thugs threw me out of my own party. Now they insult and intimidate me in an attempt to silence me.
Ditto what Arabella said.
This is a serious issue – the mental stability of presidential candidates:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVnRzn4rjbY
Sad part is so does the media(have narcissitic disorder) and that’s where the average citizen is getting fed the info that OB is our savior. I can only hope the truth such as this video gets out to enough of them to make sure the great one doesn’t get anywhere near the oval office ever.
Marc
I follow your logic and agree that honesty, or the lack of it in the Obama campaign, has been ignored. That is why the work you and Heidi Li are doing is important.
I urge readers of this blog to contribute to Marc and Heidi’s campaign for Principle Before Party
http://tdg.typepad.com/democrats_for_principle_b/
There is more. This from Monday:
There’s big money, in short, in “nonprofit” activism — and upward mobility.
A guy carries a sign advocating “Change” in front of a bank and the government turns him into a
salaried protester, credit analyst and dispenser of mortgage money.
“The changes came as radical ‘housing rights’ groups led by ACORN lobbied for such loans,”
“ACORN at the time was represented by a young public-interest lawyer in Chicago by the name of Barack Obama.”
Ralph R. Reiland, associate professor of economics at Robert Morris University
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_590330.html
As of last month 13 or McCain’s top 20 staff were female making on the average of $1.01 per each $1.00 men made to Obama’s staff where 7 of the top 20 were female and made $0.84 for each dollar men made.
McCain chose Palin, Obama did not choose Hillary. Yep, McCain sure does hate women!
And the bill that McCain did not vote on – it was not that “females” could not sue their company after 180 days for unequal pay. It was that “workers” could not sure their company after 180 days for unequal pay. (Just so happened to be more were female then men.)
What kind of life does freedom Fighter have that she is coming here to whine @ us because we don’t agree with her…shouldn’t she want more in life that this???
Do you think she has low self esteem, I though Obama was suppose to cure all that insecurity, and lack of self worth…
Why does she do this instead of going out for alittle target practice, or bar hopping..
Really, Freedom we’re concerned that your life has lead to this. Posting on NQ to annoy people…my children outgrew this behavior by the age of 9…
Are you here looking for some Mothering???
We are concerned about you…Obama can stuff it.
I though Obama was suppose to cure all that insecurity, and lack of self worth…
Guess freedom fighter forgot to have the faith-healing from obama at one of his rallys.
Oh the light cameth down and missed FF? I was lead to believe it was an automatic coming to be served the hopey cahgey ray? When the clouds opened and the light shone….NO??
One questin FF you cheated and never paid right?
You stole the Obama sign u have ugh?
One big cheating cindicate…
In the words of Sarah Palin, well sort of
I will vote for Obama when my cold, dead lips can no longer utter words
Do you Know that many dead people will be voting for Barack on Nov 4th
I’m a 30 yr Dem and I will gladly support McCain/Palin this time around.
Some people have a hard time going over to the “dark side”. They believe Republicans are trolls and Democrats are knights in shining armour. It’s a fairy tale, as Clinton said. The truth is much more complicated. Biden for instance, voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, while Palin vetoed a bill that would have denied gays benefits. Harry Reid voted to uphold a ban on providing access to contraception for our troops. Republican appointed judges on the Supreme Court gave us Roe V Wade and again in California it was Republican judges who upheld the gay marriage amendment. Politics is a complicated and interwoven story, not a simple fairy tale where the bad guys wear red and the good guys wear blue.
And ultimately it is the people who rule although in our quest for the perfect politician we’ve kind of forgotten that the government, both parties, exist to serve us. No politician ever delivered us an end to child labor, slavery, civil rights, the right to vote. Every bit of progress in this country was made because the people demanded it and it became politically expedient for politicians to respond.
What an excellent comment. And I’d add that sometimes “knights in shining armor” do things that produce unintended consequences, like setting up a regulatory regime that promoted unsafe lending practices. I like to think that the Democrats who got us into the current financial mess did so out of incompetence, and not merely because of the thirty pieces of silver the Fannie people threw their way.
John McCain fought the tobacco industry. Here in Virginia the Democratic Party still marches to the industry beat. I could go on and on.
I have no interest in talking politics with people who blindly follow a single party.
Amazing comment. Thank you for posting.
I see an RNC ad coming. UnFit for Command.
Using Sarah’s statement from the Fox interview.
It would be a killer in my old military circles, and beyond.
Great piece, Marc. Thanks so much for posting this. I am going to make sure all my friends who haven’t already seen the light read this. The Democratic party does need an airing out and this is the best way to do it so we can move on in four years. Otherwise, there’s little hope. Keep up the great work.
I feel no guilt at all. I know what I have witnessed and learned, and feel a clear conviction. Principle over Party. I can’t wait to vote against him, and at least I know the man I will vote for has integrity and has earned his place as a presidential nominee through years of hard work and effort on behalf of this country.
Did anyone see the story about the voter registrations in NC…600,000 new voters 18-24 yrs old.
What did they promise them? Free concert tickets? A steak dinner? Front row seats for the American Idol president? It’s a sickness.
Do you have a link?
Half of them are republicans, the half more likely to vote.
i doubt there are even that number of people in that age group in the whole state! Lol!
… o ya, the dead vote too, & their pets!
These are the people that CNN and MSNBC and the other networks are after.
well that certainly wasn’t racist. no siree!
and you think it is? lol
I just dropped by the local Republican Party office, gave them a small donation and picked up two McCain/Palin yard signs and a couple of stickers for my car.
I did this because I was warned that the Obamamaniacs will be coming to our town this weekend (and will be here until 11/4) to get out the vote. I’m hoping this will keep them off my doorstep, but I’m not hopeful because I’m sure they are going to go out of their way to try to convince this registered Democrat to vote for O.
Hmmmm, I need to park my husband’s pickup in the driveway so they can see his NRA sticker (he’s also a registered democrat).
I’d like to see Marc clarify his comment about McCain promising to serve only one term. I long ago predicted he would do that, but at this late date I don’t know. At any rate he hasn’t made that promise yet, so what is Marc referring to?
Hmmm,now there’s something for all you Hillary supporters to think on. You’re figuring we’ll put up with four years of McCain and then we can elect Hillary in 2012. Face it, if McCain were to run a second term in 2012 he would beat Hillary because he would be the incumbent president.
No one with a brain who is an adult and love America would EVER think of voting for Barky and Snarky. It’s not even an issue anymore. Voting for Obama is ridiculous. He’s the shadiest, most amoral, dishonest, lazy, incompetent, criminal, liar, fraud ever perpetrated on the voters of this country. There is not political party on the PLANET that is worth destroying America. Especially not the DNC who has shown that they couldn’t care less about their members, they are liars and corrupt cheaters who have absolutely destroying the Constitutional principle of one person, one vote. The DNC needs to be brought to its knees, cleaned out of the criminals and rebuilt. Dems need to vote McCain/Palin, let them rebuild America, while they rebuild their party. There is NO other answer to this. NONE. Obama will destroy this country. Most decent people are TERRIFIED of him. And, Biden? ROFLMAO. Wow, what a buffoon. After last night’s debate, any of my Hillary friends who were mildly on the fence have crossed over with JOY.
PS Anyone who is sitting here LYING that Hillary supports Obama is a TROLL. We’re ALL smarter than that. If you people love Hillary, give her a chance to run against Palin in 12! Wow, what history that will make!!!
I guess I fit that bill, except for the lying. My statement says that, ‘Hillary supports Obama.’
If she wants, she could run against Mrs. Palin and a whole host of other people interested in doing that.
I truly doubt that, Lark. No matter what arm twisting they do to get her to toe the party line. Barky is so jealous of her and intimidated by her he will stop at nothing to squash her and as president he will do just that — she would have very little hope of ever running — she could not run against the incumbent of the party in 2012. By 2016 she’d be 68 — imagine then the ageism and the sexism she’d have to deal with.
After this woman fought like no one has ever fought under the most ridiculous bias and pressure, do you really think she does not want a real shot in 2012? If you still believe she genuinely wants us to support Obama, I beg to differ with you. She is quite aware how dangerous he is.
Why do you think Bill Clinton keeps doing interviews calling McCain a great man. He doesn’t say that about Obama. If that isn’t a signal to America that he thinks it’s ok to vote for McCain, I don’t know what is. Bill is doing this to protect his wife. She still has to play at the DNC table. He does not.
I get emails from her campaign — they are never about Obama — always about supporting down ticket dems — particularly women.
okay, have you guys gone completely off the deep end now? you say you don’t want to live in a socialist America… yet you support HILLARY! hello!? Universal Health Care?! what the hell do you call that?
Yawn!
I call it a legitimate question for the political process. Hillary would make her case, and try to get Congress to take action on this issue. I would make my feelings on it known by voting and speaking to people about my position.
I am not a fan of government run more-or-less single payer healthcare – I have lived that first hand in England and Canada – NO THANKS, they sound better than they are!
This wouldn’t stop me from evaluating what Hillary had to offer as a candidate, and voting or not voting for her based on the available alternatives. I am not a single issue voter and never have been.
Did that answer your question or do I need to use smaller words?
The word ‘universal’ is what does the trick. Hillary’s solution is a terrible one but it has one important value, it is ‘universal.’ Any solution needs to be ‘universal.’
McCain’s has much more potential to work better but he does not call it ‘universal.’ For McCain’s solution to work, employer’s groups need to cease to exist. That in our present environment does not look very feasible.
What’s hurting health care (so called) insurance is the concept of ‘employer’s groups.’ Employer’s groups has within it the processes that makes it anti-democratic.
I have a solution to the health care crisis that does not cost a penny to the government or to anyone. But it requires the abolition of our present system as it presently functions. It’s really a dandy but it is so different that the powers to be would not consider it. Why? Because it would work.
Whatever is done with health care it must not work in order to work. That’s what define our society these days. You must get ripped off by the powers to be in order for you to get in it.
I agree that Healthcare is Hillary’s baby. I don’t know if it would ever pass Congress, but it
is one issue that I don’t base my support for her on.
Times have changed…
Maybe in 2006 Health care and getting out of Iraq were driving issues.
Now saving the core of American business and victory with honor are the priorities.
Like Sarah said.. quit looking backwards!
Obama and his minions are.. “So Yesterday”
Seattle Moss — The issue I will be voting on this year is keeping our Democracy in tact. Obama is not an American. He has no business running for President of this country. He says he’s a citizen of the world. McCain is a real American and proud of it. Saving our Democracy is the most important issue there is.
that’s right, avoid the question.
good article.
i see lots of posters in recent months say only a defeat for BO will force the Dem party to clean up its act.
BUT even more important, to me at least, is a defeat for BO will mean a DEFEAT FOR THE CORPMEDIA. now that is something worth hoping for.
Now THIS is definitely something that I want to see happen!!
This is a great post and I will always put my country before party every times I vote.
On November 4, 2008 every registered voter not in the tank for Obama needs to get mad as hell and not take it anymore by voting for McCain-Palin.
OK, now that the bailout bill has passed, do you all think this will help John McCain and if so, how?
It helps McCain because now it gets back to a referendum on Obama where it belongs.
Obama and his minions are.. “So Yesterday”
Biden said go the Katie’s restaurant in Wilmington and talk to the real Americans. Turns out Katie’s closed about 25 years ago.
Do you have a reference on that?
Thank you for a brilliant piece.
I have been developing this idea for a while, so I’m delighted to see it developed so well. Remember in the McCain/Obama debate when McCain alerted the audience to the same inflexible thinking portrayed by Obama as seen in Bush? An important moment for everyone to observe that the parallels between Bush and Obama are far tighter than himself to Bush.
Forget the party name. After all, with fundamentally only 2 parties, one can fasion it anyway one wants, and Obama certainly has. His Marxist ideology in any other country would never qualify him as a Democrat. Those supporting him have no idea that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothes.
Marc – I agree with you 100 percent! Never ever has my family voted Republican, but we all are this year. I don’t recognize the Democratic Party anymore – it’s been hijacked by the left wing fanatic lunatics and that’s not the party I support. Let them eat cake and barf it up on Nov 5!
Obama is hiding his real beliefs – anti-white and anti-American – and all the Obama supporters just gloss the fact over the fact that he sat in that church with those beliefs for 20 years, cheering and applauding those kinds of hate speeches.
Comment by HILLARY 2012 | 2008-10-03 18:59:43
WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED
As Americans, we expect certain liberties and rights that were granted to us by our forefathers. WE THE PEOPLE expect that these fundamental rights will always be protected.
In the Democratic Primary, this was not the case. The DNC deprived voters of their choice of Hillary Clinton as Democratic nominee. Senator Clinton, by all accounts, except caucuses, won the Primary Election and, therefore, should be the 2008 Democratic Nominee.
That didn’t happen, due largely to illegitimate and illegal acts. We have many accounts from caucus states recounting threats, intimidation, lies, stolen documents, falsified documents, busing in voters in exchange for paying for “dinners, I-pods”,etc.
There are at least 2000 complaints, in Texas alone, of irregularities directed towards the Obama Campaign.
This documentary is about the disenfranchising of Americans by the DNC and the Obama Campaign. We the People have made this film. Democrats have sent in their stories from all parts of America.
We believe Obama’s Chicago Machine of dirty politics encouraged and created an army to steal caucus packets, falsify documents, change results, allow unregistered people to vote, scare and intimidate Hillary supporters, stalk them, threaten them, lock them out of their polling places, silence their voices and stop their right to vote, which is all documented in WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED.
http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
==========================================
Thanks Hillary2012 for posting this. I am producing this film. I can tell you this…Hillary won the nomination. We documented it, and so did people like Dr. Lynette Long. From start to finish Obama cheated. There is no question. Not only that, but we have footage from that BULLS**T phony “roll call” in Denver of delegates who were threatened to an inch of their lives that if they didn’t give their Hillary votes to Obama they would be called “racists” and their careers would be over. We have sooo much more footage, including an interview with Gloria Allred about all of it. We are going to keep going with the film and expose every minute of Obama’s filthy, dirty campaign. All the way to the Sexism, the ACORN nonsense, his disgusting, vile associations, his illegal contributions from our enemies, you name it. It’s sad that we can’t get the press to pay more attention to this. But we just interviewed with one of the largest papers in the world and I believe they will break our story soon. Trust me, we won’t stop until the public knows the TRUTH and the DNC and Obama Campaign PAY for what they have done to HILLARY, THE VOTERS AND AMERICA. Obama is a disgrace to this country. PERIOD. And all of you idiot Democrats can go to hell. This is AMERICA and we are NOT a Third World Country. Get over this “party” nonsense and vote for AMERICA. If I hear one more liberal rant and lie about “what Hillary wants…” ROFLMAO…give me a break. Like she wants you to vote for the guy that stuck a knife in her back and committed voter fraud to keep her out of the White House. Are liberals ALL that stupid????
This liberal isn’t stupid. Or liberal anymore after
that fiasco of a cheating, lying, corrupt primary.
Whoo…that felt good.
Marc, your commercial is nice, but it’s too word,.
she’s chattering a mile a minute.
you want your spot to be clean and clear.
you should get an ad agency to help you with this.
Kerry lost because money was dumped on a lot of amateurs at Moveon thought that anybody could write an ad.
Writing for the media is a talent and a skill.
It just looks simple.
sorry, that was accidentally posted before checking typos.
WORDY, not word.
It’s more than being ashamed of party, although I completely understand. The director of our film comes from a glowing Democratic history, including an uncles who was the Governor of Massachusetts. It was hard for her to make our film, and leave her party. But she has registered GOP or Independent (forgot which one) and is voting for McCain. Her first vote for the GOP. Me too. I was a registered Independent and might have voted for Hillary. My mother is in love with Hillary. I wanted to make an intelligent choice and watch a fair, decent election. I didn’t get that. I got theft, fraud, disenfranchisement, dirty tactics, lies, cheating, stealing, you name it. Every day of my life I feel like I have to wash the STINK of Democrats off of me. Making this film, and seeing what I have seen, has broken my heart for America. I never will do this again. Never. I will stick with the film business. As sleazy as people think Hollywood can be, the Obama Campaign has brought new meaning to the word SLEAZE. Ughhhh….Please God let America prevail and deliver us a McCain/Palin win.
Oh my.. my thoughts exactly…please God deliver us
from this evil…
Deliver us from this evil??? Look what the Republicans have given us for decades. Read the Republican platform for 2008. It’s the same old party it’s been under Bush. More privatization – read Social Security for those close to retirement age. More anti labor. More deregulation. More shoot first talk later foreign policy. Take a look at their platform and tell us you can really support all that.
http://platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdf
Is this movie going mainstream? We need all the help we can get to put this in front of the American voters who only hear the Obama side of things which are lies. They have an army out there and the counter attack has to be fierce. so far that hasn’t been allowed to happen. We know the truth because we are here, but most people I talk to have no idea of the truth and time is of the essence now. It is getting down to the final chance to make a difference and save this country from disaster. Thank you for the great work. Please get it out asap if that is your intent.
My favorite passages:
Like it or not, the record shows McCain is the real reformer and the real deal, while Obama is what most of the 18 million Democrats who voted against him know him to be — a snake oil salesman who has managed to bamboozle a lot of dumb, impressionable people.
Obama is the nominee because of a dishonest primary in which these same people, along with the press, did everything possible to sell Obama as the nominee and do it as dishonestly as they knew how, including rigging the roll call vote, violating every Democratic Party rule and procedure in the process.
Dean, Pelosi, Brazile, Fowler and every member of the DNC who engineered and went along with fixing the process needs to go. Those who won’t resign (though I think many will after an Obama defeat) need to have their power and their base removed, so the that the Democratic Party can air itself out. And the only way that can happen is with an Obama loss. And the bigger the better.
BRAVO MARC!! You speak for me, thank you!
Alan Colmes just talked over the guest and said “I can’t hear you” that is how stubborn dems are. No truth or they stick there fingers in their ears and la la la la la la…
He recites the “points”… That’s how I know he’s a bot.He also thought the singing kids were “cute” and he didn’t see the whole concept was deplorable… that’s how I know he’s a bot. Being a “bot” is nothing to be proud of, yet it shows great aptitude for fascism.
I am really appalled that even one American thinks it’s a good idea to continue with the Republican Party after all they have done to wreck my country these past eight years. I really do remember the Clinton days. Peace and prosperityIf you think McCain and Palin will bring that, you are delusional.
What has the Republican party ever done for the working person? They opposed Social Security and Medicare, the two programs which allow many seniors to live in health and dignity. Ask your parents if they’d like to give them up. McCain’s already talking about privatizing SS and wants our health care to work the way our financial system does since regulations were lifted. You think this will benefit you in some way?
Grow up.
wow, persuasive
boo hoo
I have seen the truth now. the scales have fallen from my eyes. yes, rose has convinced me of the the magnificient ‘One’. oops, I’ve grown up. /snark
Yes, and I suppose it will be very, very good for us when the Plastic Jesus raises our taxes and gives all those billions of our tax dollars to Africa, where his real allegiance lies.
Oh dear. i hoped it wasn’t true. You’re all as dumb as Palin.
Palin, a governor, is dumb. wow, in your view, bill clinton was dumb too. he was governor of little arkansas. grow up, rose.
liar
You need to do some research and not be so arrogant about what you think you know about the American Government and the Republicans and while you are at it learn about the Democrats contribution to the housing mortgage problem. The way people feel here has nothing to do with growing up. It has to do with facts. I suggest you do some reading on American History and the 2 party system and then you might have something meaningful and constructive to add to your posts other than reactive ignorance.
The above comment is for Rose who has no respect for anything Republicans have ever done.
Yes you are right oh mighty bot. Let’s let the govt soothe all our ills away. We just watched as they were given more of our money today to save the souls of America. Never should we be responsible for our own failures and bad judgement. Never should we control our own finances. We work to give our money to be shared by all. Why then work too hard when we will be watched over by our great and wonderful Oz, err govt? Our all knowing, all loving govt will be there to rescue us. They can control all facets of your life so you can walk around like a zombie. Yes that is the world of Obama. Go for it and reap what you sow Rose.
Don’t forget whose idea the bailout was in the first place, GEORGE W. BUSH. Last time I checked, plenty of Republicans both House and Senate voted for the bailout too. Republican deregulation is what broke the system in the first place.
Rose — We ARE grown up. Check out how long most of us have been Democrats. McCain is not Bush and Obama is not presidential material. We are not going to be led like lambs to the slaughter for a so-called Democrat. Once the DNC moved their headquarters to Chicago I was done. If you don’t like it go to The Daily Kos and find other koolaid drinkers like yourself. You won’t make any converts here.
Catch a clue Rose.
The Republican Party didn’t do the damage alone.
George W. Bush did this damage. With the support of both corrupt Republicans AND CORRUPT DEMOCRATS.
Just look at the very Congressional Democrats and Republicans that sided with Bush in supporting the original tainted version of the bailout bill almost two weeks ago as an example.
To only blame the Republican party for the horrible state this country’s in now is just plain assbackwards.
Hate to break it to you – but:
BARACK OBAMA IS NOT HILLARY CLINTON. HE’S NOT GOING TO BRING PEACE AND PROSPERITY.
When the DNC stole the nomination from the Democratic people and gave it to Obama, the Presidential race changed for the worse for good.
John McCain is the best frontrunning choice we have left.
And we’re going to vote for him.
No he’s not. He did say at one time that he would give those under 50 the option of putting some of their FICA withholdings into a private account
At least under the Repubs (prior to the last 8 yrs) they were/are for less government. Obama’s plan is for an overinflated government that will interfere in all aspects of our lives.
“Look, what Americans need is some straight talk. Every man, woman and child in America needs to know it’s going broke, and we’ve got to do the hard things. We’ve got to fix it for the future generations of Americans. Don’t we owe that to young Americans today? I say we do. It’s got to be bipartisan. And you have to go to the American people and say we won’t raise your taxes. We need personal savings accounts, but we got to fix this system.”
Source: 2007 GOP primary debate in Orlando, Florida Oct 21, 2007
http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/John_McCain_Social_Security.htm
The Republicans ARE for privatizing Social Security. Read their 2008 platform.
http://platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdf
WTF is the ‘whitey tape’?
I want to see him twist in the wind as it crawls up his ass.
It has been told by many people to many people that there is a video tape showing Michelle Obama stating how she really feels about the people (you know the ones who look like the ones on the U.S. bills).
It is reported that she says the word “whitey” in a less than flattering way.
McCain campaign wouldn’t release that! I could see it possibly finding its way onto the internet or on a 527? (is that right, 527?) That would be so radio-active, there would would be no winner.
But you know what, if MO hates America so much, let the chips fall where they may! Can’t say i have much sympathy for her.
It now does not matter how bad McCain/Palin are since it is obvious that obama is anti-America. His plan to redistribute the wealth in America is right out of Castro’s and Stalin’s play book. Any American who votes for obama has not listened to what he has said…they have only heard his voice. obama has no use for America as we know it and wants to change it to fit his dream of financial equality even if you are so sorry you refuse to work. That is not the American way…..McCain/Palin is America’s only hope!
I just listened to V on NQ radio.
There is no way we can express feeling with words like they do with voice. I highly recommend that, the next time they are on, listen.
Comment by Rose | 2008-10-03 20:26:39
I am really appalled that even one American thinks it’s a good idea to continue with the Republican Party after all they have done to wreck my country these past eight years. I really do remember the Clinton days. Peace and prosperityIf you think McCain and Palin will bring that, you are delusional.
What has the Republican party ever done for the working person? They opposed Social Security and Medicare, the two programs which allow many seniors to live in health and dignity. Ask your parents if they’d like to give them up. McCain’s already talking about privatizing SS and wants our health care to work the way our financial system does since regulations were lifted. You think this will benefit you in some way?
Grow up.
=============================================
Okay paid blogger troll. That’s a big fat LIE yet again about McCain and the SS. We’ve seen that DEBUNKED over and over and guess what? Senior Citizens are PISSED AS HELL that Obama keeps lying and making the phony BS ads about it. WE KNOW BETTER. Also, it isn’t the GOP that got us into this financial crisis. It’s the DEMS and everyone is catching on that Clinton, Obama, etc. ALL were in on the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac situation that caused this, and that JOHN MCCAIN FOUGHT TO STOP IT IN 2005. You paid trolls can come here and lie all you want. I know the truth. I just spent a year of my life LEARNING the sick, disgusting GOD AWFUL truth about Obama and the DNC. YOU “grow up” and stop this posting crap for a penny a post and a cheap little paycheck from Axelnimrod. YAWN. Barky and Snarky are DONE.
Nice talking points regarding Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac from Faux News. Check out some valid info at factcheck. Also, check out the history of Social Security yourself.
And listen to the famous speech Reagan made predicting the loss of our freedom if we passed Medicare.
Incidentally, if I’m supposed to be getting paid for this, I wish someone had told me. Everyone could use a little extra money in this economy.
lol. factcheck. and who are factcheck?
The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania
and who is associated with annenberg?
obama
try new talking points, troll. right now, its same old, same old.
Rose — Obama took the second highest amount of money from Fannie and Freddie and his top advisor Franklin Raines was a top executive for them. He took 90 Million when he left. Come back when you have something to say about principles, because Obama has none.
FactCheck.org on Obama’s misleading ad regarding McCain on SS:
And right below the above FactCheck summary is another sayng the new 10/1 ad the Obama campaign is running in FL about SS is “Doubly Deceptive”.
As for the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mess, both parties share the blame, but the Dems have the biggest share. Just research good old Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. The Republicans wanted a regulatory oversight, but good old Barney Frank and friends made sure that was shot down.
So stop with your nonfactual statements and start researching before you comment.
McCain and the Republicans WILL push for Social Security privatization, it’s in their platform. That BS that McCain was trying to reform Fannie and Freddie in 2005 but the Democrats stopped it is coming straight from the Rush Limbaugh crowd. Who controlled the House and Senate in 2005? Republicans.
I’m voting for neither Obama or McCain…I’ve decided I’m voting for Palin.
Yes! Me too…no more O-bama, it’s Oh-Mama, Sarah Palin for me.
Everyone has heard the rumor about who owns the “whitey” tape. The funniest thing ever is that Camp Obama is apparently trying to do damage control by saying Michelle-the-Tranny said “White Tea” instead of “Whitey.” ROFLMAO.
Everyone has panicked about WTF the McCain campaign is doing. WHY aren’t the bombs out there yet? I know what the bombs are. They’re coming. I think McCain had the class and dignity to wait until this bill passed and America could breath. But within two weeks I think it’s BOMBS AWAY for the Barky and Snarky (BS) ticket. Buy Bye Osama!
bsueLA — its beginning now. Hannity’s America will do an hour on Obama’s pals on Sunday Night.
Did anyone hear Pelosi say “someone picked up a rock and varmints ran out”? Please answer. I have heard that, but I can not verify.
yes she said we picked up a rock and we got vermin.
in her speech she did after the bail out.
Maybe we need to find a link
I am in WV. We do not have a single verb that ends in g. It is a wasted letter. I am comin around to lovin Sarah for her spunk and postions. If she talks like me – so much the better. Shucks, this darn economic crisis was not caused by dialect, now was it?
Can McCain be McCain and not another Bush? You betcha! I have always liked him, even when I voted for Clinton.
Help!!!!!
People keep quoting the Newsweek article by J. Alter, I believe, where he slobbers all over Obama and says that Obi has authored and passed more legislation in his short time in the Senate than McCain has in twenty-some years.
Anyone with facts to share on this or articles to read about it would be appreciated.
Marc Rubin-
Excellent article. Thank you.
Comment by Rose | 2008-10-03 20:45:45
Nice talking points regarding Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac from Faux News. Check out some valid info at factcheck. Also, check out the history of Social Security yourself.
And listen to the famous speech Reagan made predicting the loss of our freedom if we passed Medicare.
Incidentally, if I’m supposed to be getting paid for this, I wish someone had told me. Everyone could use a little extra money in this economy.
======================================
Nice try TROLL. Fox News is kicking those liars at CNN and MSNBC in the azz ratings wise. Guess people like the TRUTH. As for FACTCHECK? ROFLMAO…yeah, right. BS site in the bag for Obama, bought and paid for like the biased BS media. We’re the voters and, for the last time, we’re WAY smarter than you are. Way smarter. Go blog elsewhere if you are going to keep up this trolling and lying. And I hope you can buy a six pack and some crack with the paycheck.
Bsue — 40% of Americans watched the VP Debate. Fox got the highest ratings. People who watched didn’t tune in to see Biden. They wanted to see Palin and she didn’t disappoint. This is the highest number of people watching a Debate in 16 years.
Have you ever LOOKED at http://www.Factcheck.org ? They call out Democrats as well as Republicans.
Wonderful post!
But you know what? The former Obama supporters who finally realize that they’ve been tricked & lied to by Obama & the DNC can privately go to the voting booth on November 4th to undo what they’ve done. Without judgmental eyes on them.
That’s one of the great joys of being in a democratic society.
Comment by Newly Independent | 2008-10-03 21:17:04
For those who actually think Barack Obama is qualified to be President, no amount of truth, logic or reason is going to change their minds. To do so means having to admit they were taken in and made fools of, and as any cop will tell you, most con men get away with their con because their marks are so embarrassed to admit they were taken, they just keep quiet.
Wonderful post!
But you know what? The former Obama supporters who finally realize that they’ve been tricked & lied to by Obama & the DNC can privately go to the voting booth on November 4th to undo what they’ve done. Without judgmental eyes on them.
That’s one of the great joys of being in a democratic society.
==========================================
What a great post. And I bet that there are way more people than we know who will do exactly that…vote country over party, conscience over pride, etc. Thank God that we live in this amazing country and Americans are so fabulous.
The wingerization of the NQ comment section, where I hang out, has reminded me how awful right-wingers are, and how they are the root cause of all evil. It has softened me toward the prospect of an Obama Presidency, because Obama would undoubtedly rig the electoral system so that we wouldn’t see another Republican President for at least 50 years—a thought which makes me feel a little better.
Perry Logan, the man with CRAZY youtube videos…
You go right on ahead and cast your vote for 0bama. You’re a close minded fool,just like the far left radicals.McCain/Palin are going to be so good!! They will be the true uniters,who manage to bring us all TOGETHER instead of constantly picking each other’s party’s apart..that doesn’t allow for close mindedness..so just take your butt on over to the other side.
McCain/Palin 2008!!
TOGETHER WE STAND~ DIVIDED WE FALL.
Thank you Marc Rubin for this excellent and thoughtful post. The thought of living with this pseudo-Democratic party for the next decade makes
me ill.
Comment by Perry Logan | 2008-10-03 21:21:35
The wingerization of the NQ comment section, where I hang out, has reminded me how awful right-wingers are, and how they are the root cause of all evil. It has softened me toward the prospect of an Obama Presidency, because Obama would undoubtedly rig the electoral system so that we wouldn’t see another Republican President for at least 50 years—a thought which makes me feel a little better.
======================================
YAWN
The only thing that makes ME feel better is that McCain will win. People like Obama, Pelosi, Dean, Brazile, Clyburn, Reid, ALL OF THEM, will hopefully disappear and this country can regain some respect, dignity, prosperity, honor, and pride without their constant denigration and destruction of America.
It doesn’t make me laugh that Obama would have the nuclear codes. It terrifies me!
And Sarah Palin having nuke codes gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside???
Would Obama have the security clearance and background history to qualify for even the Secret Service? I wonder given his associations.
Obama couldn’t even get a security clearance to work for the defense contractor that I work for! I’m not kidding! What I had to go through to get mine was unbelieveable. They talked to people I associated with all the way back to my high school days!
It’s unbelieveable that this man has access to classified information pertaining to our country with all his anti-American terrorist ties!
Ok, do you REALLY think Obama hasn’t had to get security clearances and all to work in the Senate? He’s went through everything you have and then some. If these terrorist links were so real he would never have gotten into the Senate. Or are you so irrational you think he bought his security credentials. Did you know Minnesota has had a Muslim representative(Keith Ellison)since 2006 and we STILL haven’t been attacked like Karl Rove warned us?
Hey! No problem – it’s OBAMA; they’ll give him a pass.
and once again, i pose this question: how in the world can you talk about the evils of socialism, when you voted for HILLARY? not does she agree 90% with Obama, but her main agenda is UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!
No, idiot. It’s not about voting records. It’s about 20-30-40 year/lifelong associations with anti-American people, going back to, well, birth and beyond.
You don’t get it. *sigh*
“how in the world can you talk about the evils of socialism, when you voted for HILLARY?”
I’m not an expert on socialism and I’m not really interested in studying it. So if you have a Ph.D in socialism, I can’t argue with you.
To me, socialism means zero private enterprise. All the power corporations hold would be held by the government, plus all the powers the government already holds. That’s too much power. Capitalism is a form of ’separation of powers.’ The state has the taxing, lawmaking, police, military and judicial power. It can’t have all the corporate power too!
To me, Communism is socialism combined with no religion, no freedom of thought, speech or press, using mind-control/groupthink to enforce cultural values, rather than the free dynamic forces (like marriage, religion, art) that shape American culture.
Communism is bullshit because it’s based on the fantasy that the state can be trusted with unlimited power. The state is run by the ‘Leader’ (Stalin/Obama) who is perfect — hahahahaha! Constitutional democracy is based on the belief that ‘men are not angels and will never be governed by angels’ so state power must be limited.
God bless Hillary and Bill, but we all know they are not angels. And they don’t pretend to be. So they have nothing to do with socialism.
So, this is my choice:
John Herbert Hoover McCain
or Barak the fascist Obama
That is not a choice
Of course I am against Fascism
Hopefully an FDR will follow McCain
Oh my god! You have written so well about exactly how I have been feeling these days. Although actively campaigning for McCain these days, I still have pangs of guilt about it. I like Sarah Palin, I admire her. But you know, I am not a huge, huge fan.
She is still so new to me.
The other day a local dem candidate running for Congress contacted me for a donation and asked me to volunteer. I explained that I am not even sure of how I want to vote this year regarding the “down ticket.” I feel that I need to send a message to all the Dems, putting on the pressure for them to do their part as well to, (as you so wonderfully, aptly said) FUMIGATE the party. His response sure made me feel guilty about my feelings. But then, I even got a little mad as the day went on. Was he trying to tell me to “get over it”? This wonderful article has helped to assuage my pangs of guilt. Thank you so much. I too will be sending a second donation your way soon.
The DNC got it wrong, so McCain it will have to be.
NoBama 08.
This is my opinion.
The reason Obama’s lips are purple is this.
He is no Meth.
Obama is a drug addict.
Fix
This is my opinion.
The reason Obama’s lips are purple is this.
He is ON Meth.
Obama is a drug addict.
Check his rapper friends’ rap sheets.
The guy is stoned.
still avoiding question, could it be cause you have no answer?
Comment by v1cious | 2008-10-03 21:37:40
It now does not matter how bad McCain/Palin are since it is obvious that obama is anti-America. His plan to redistribute the wealth in America is right out of Castro’s and Stalin’s play book. Any American who votes for obama has not listened to what he has said…they have only heard his voice. obama has no use for America as we know it and wants to change it to fit his dream of financial equality even if you are so sorry you refuse to work. That is not the American way…..McCain/Palin is America’s only hope!
and once again, i pose this question: how in the world can you talk about the evils of socialism, when you voted for HILLARY? not does she agree 90% with Obama, but her main agenda is UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!
=======================================
Another joke. At this point Obama is SO dangerous to this country and so ridiculous how can you split hairs like this? I would vote my DOG before Obama. I guess that little issue of him having crack smoking parties with the head of Iran with NO PRE-CONDITIONS has kept me up til 4 am EVERY SINGLE NIGHT smoking my brains out, scared to death that idiot liberals will vote this Arab azz into office and get us occupied or blown off the planet. How the HELL can you people be so damned stupid? Oh yeah, people like you think Hillary wants Obama to win. WILL YOU PEOPLE PLEASE GROW UP, READ, DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND FIGURE OUT WHY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE WOULD RATHER DIE THAN VOTE FOR OBAMA?
My friend, this boilerplate right-wing rhetoric which will have no effect on normal people. You’re only damaging NQ’s credibility by spritzing like this.
Besides, the vast majority of Americans totally disagree with you! Most Americans love Social Security, which is socialism. Most Americans want more gun control–more socialism. Most Americans want a universal healthcare system. You are a small minority, I’m afriad.
Sorry Perry but you are wrong. The small minority are those that want the government handling everything for them. Lets see, free housing (section 8), welfare, food stamps, now Obama will give poor people healthcare. Where exactly is the incentive for poor people to succeed? The reality is Obama n friends (Ayers, Dean) don’t want the poor to succeed. Why? Because ignorance, makes it easier to control people,and can get them to donate their time to the greater cause “ACORN.” That way Obama’s Acorn buddies can convince the poor people they care by getting them a low income house, never mind they cannot afford it. In turn the grateful poor will walk the streets in different shady neighborhoods and convince other low income people to vote for their Acorn brothers.
Ignorance, that’s what give us the Iraq war. Ignorance gave us warrantless wiretapping. Ignorance gave us torture. Ignorance will lead to privatization of Social Security and Medicare. Ignorance will lead to more wars for oil. So don’t be so ignorant of all the Republicans have done to this country.
FICA which is what we working people have to pay (and you too, if you work) is an insurance, not a government give away. If you are a sole proprietor of a small business as I am, you pay 13% FICA. So, you could say we are all paying into an insurance policy that will give us a return when we retire.
Socialism is: An “economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class
you still didn’t answer the question: Hillary voted 90% with Obama, and pushes universal health care: how is that not socialism?
you are nit-picking. we dont vote only on universal health care. did you even read the article by Marc Rubin? Please read the article above, and educate yourself. there are lots of reasons why we dont want obama to become president.
Heck. We all vote 90% with our opponents. It is th 10% that defines us.
thats the prob with obots. they dont even read the article, and come in here quoting the talking points of the obama camp. and its hard for them to resist the ‘One’.
that’s what i was expecting.
“Biden for instance, voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, while Palin vetoed a bill that would have denied gays benefits.”
Yes, facts are very liberating. I was watching an old videotape about Muhammad Ali, a hero of mine, the former heavyweight champ who was convicted of draft dodging the Viet Nam war. In the middle of the tape, they started yelling that the Supreme Court had overturned the champ’s conviction. So I looked it up on wiki — to my surprise, yes. The conservative ‘Burger Court’ voted 9-0 to recognize Ali’s religious freedom as a conscientious objector.
By the way, Earl Warren of the famous liberal ‘Warren Court’ was a Republican. Facts are liberating things.
But George Bush still sucks! And Obama is worse than Bush.
The main reason obama is unfit to be president is that he is anti-America. Benifits that people work for like SS is not a give-away program…it has to be earned. People like Perry & v1 have no idea about what it means to work for a living so they welcome obama’s give-away plans. I would not give either one of them the time of day much less a dollar. Perry & v1 are are the type of people you see in the median of a 4 lane highway looking for a handout. They need to shutup and get a job!
And non working people own computers, pay for internet access and pay for the electricity to run them and building that surrounds it. Righto.
mimi — check out this article from the Wallstreet Journal it talks about what Obama is doing in Ohio and 30 other states.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122280937053991807.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Remember what Rove said. Pelosi saved this financial crisis till the Fall so she could use it for as an election issue. To hell with all the people who lost their homes and the banks which closed — Pelosi thought scaring the people would be a winner move for the Democrats. I am sickened by the party I once loved.
Barf, ugh and gag. Pelosi is such a freak. I’d like to meet her in a dark alley some night.
Karl Rove, now there’s a pillar of honesty and integrity. How about the Republican voter caging in Florida. Doesn’t THAT matter?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article814237.ece
wow, you’re so deluded, you don’t even understand simple reading comprehension. HILLARY WANTS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!. that goes far beyond social security. seriously, you guys are the biggest hypocrites on earth. you’re so bent on getting a woman in the oval office that you don’t even realize how ignorant you sound. it’s astounding!
no wonder every site makes fun of you.
Looks like you got stuck with the late shift, and on a Friday night too. That’s a shame. How are things at Obots Inc.?
Oh, it’s not the late shift for v1cious–not in Gaza.
yeah, Ohitler will give you universal health care allright. lol rofl. its sad that obots are so ignorant. what else do you have? oh yeah, you haven’t picked up pro-choice as yet. too bad. same old same old.
instead of throwing insults, why don’t you answer the question?