The New York Times Drops the Ball on Ayers and Obama
By Larry Johnson on October 4, 2008 at 8:45 AM in Current Affairs
Some may be inclined to commend the New York Times for a “good start” (You know the old joke? What do you call a 1000 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean? A good start.) But while offering the appearance of an in depth investigation The New York Times actually tries to help Senator Obama cover up his lies about Ayers.
For those living in a cave in recent years, Bill Ayers is a self-confessed unrepentant terrorist who played a key role in launching Barack Obama’s political career. Let’s take this step-by-step. First, here is what Barack Obama claimed earlier this year when questioned by George Stephanopolus:
Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?
OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.
The New York Times does concede that Obama has not been accurate about his relationship with Ayers:
A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close.
But the Times perpetuates the nonsense that contacts between Ayers and Obama were of no consequence. The Times reports:
“The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false,” said Ben LaBolt, a campaign spokesman. Mr. LaBolt said the men first met in 1995 through the education project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and have encountered each other occasionally in public life or in the neighborhood. He said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they bumped into each other on the street in Hyde Park.
Fortunately we do not have to depend on the Times to get the story. Instead we have the work of Steve Diamond (see his piece here) who has done the real investigation that puts to shame the NY Times effort.
The Obama campaign continues to insist that Ayers had nothing to do with Barack’s selection as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. According to the Times:
In March 1995, Mr. Obama became chairman of the six-member board that oversaw the distribution of grants in Chicago. Some bloggers have recently speculated that Mr. Ayers had engineered that post for him.
In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama’s appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year. At a lunch with two other foundation heads, Patricia A. Graham of the Spencer Foundation and Adele Simmons of the MacArthur Foundation, Ms. Leff suggested that Mr. Obama would make a good board chairman, she said in an interview. Mr. Ayers was not present and had not suggested Mr. Obama, she said.
Not true. The documentary evidence suggests otherwise (again, thanks to Steve Diamond for these nuggets). The national headquarters for the Annenberg Challenge was located at Brown University and managed under the direction of Brown’s President, Vartan Gregorian. Diamond has uncovered several letters between Gregorian and Ayers. According to a letter dated November 18, 1994, Gregorian informed Bill Ayers:
”This probably goes without saying, but I urge you as you compose the governing Board and the Collaborative, to engage people who reflect the racial and ethnic diversity of Chicago.”
On December 1, 1994 Ayers and Anne Hallett (who co-chaired the CSRC with Ayers) wrote back to Gregorian:
“Thank you for your letter of November 18, 1994. We are continuing to build a broad base of consensus and support for the main thrust of the proposal….We have given careful thought to the issues raised in your letter. We are working with Adele Simmons, Deborah Leff, and Pat Graham on issues of management and governance to ensure that Chicago’s Annenberg Challenge initiative is successful. We offer the following responses:….Board of Directors. A five-to-seven person Board of Directors of highly respected Chicagoans is being assembled. Pat Graham, president of the Spencer Foundation, has agreed to serve and is willing to work with the Board. The duties of the Board will be to approve grants, to help raising matching funds, and to hire the executive director….The Board and the Collaborative will reflect the racial and ethnic diversity of Chicago.”
So what? The issue is not who actually sat down with Barack Obama in March 1995 and asked him to become the chairman of this board. No. There are two critical, unanswered questions. First, why was an inexperienced lawyer like Barack Obama asked to chair this board? Second, why has Barack refused to discuss in detail what he did with this board and his interactions with Bill Ayers during the four years he chaired this effort?
That is what does not make sense. Obama is running for President and faces the charge that he lacks significant experience running anything. Okay, here he is chairman of a board that was responsible for raising and disbursing more that $100 million dollars and Obama says nothing about this time in his life? Why? Because he did regularly interact and exchange ideas with Bill Ayers. Look carefully at the statement issued by the Obama campaign, “they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005.”
Got that? But they were speaking and exchanging email prior to January 2005. We also now know that Ayers is communicating with Obama through David Axlerod. Axlerod and Ayers have been in regular communication on figuring out how to manage the potential fallout from the public learning that Barack Obama for many years thought it was okay to work with and accept advice from an unrepentant terrorist. Those are uncomfortable facts and go to the essence of the charge that challenging Obama’s judgment in hanging out with unsavory characters–e.g., Ayers, Rezko, Wright. It is both troubling and reflects a bizarre lack of political acumen for someone allegedly such a gifted politician.
If you want to let the NY Times know what you think here is the address: public@nytimes.com
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So many people and institutions seem to be ready to go down with the S.S. SoetorObama… It’s really amazing, shocking, and sad at the same time.
If/When the “Whitey Tape” is released, there’s going to be a lot of embarrassed (and enraged) people in this country.
Obama: troops just airraiding villages and killing civilians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY&feature=related
If there was a tape no one would look at it, as no one has covered this video or questioned why he is speaking of our troops in a negative manner.
This comment IS outrageous. He’s trying to conjure up the image of Vietnam with Americans. McCain has to hit him hard with this one to follow up with what Palin said. He makes American Troops sound barbaric and blood thirsty where we would kill innocent civilians.
He is talking just like Ayers.
Those kind of “baby killer” lines are typical of the Anti-Viet Nam war movement.
Obama knows nothing of military action or how to employ it. He disparages the military at every turn. Our kids in uniform deserve better.
I have another disgusting example to show that Obama is not a leader.
When Obama talked to the Hispanic community in Los Angeles about one or two months ago, he said that US immigration law enforcement took babies away from their nursing mothers. He said that Hispanic children come home from schools and only found out their parents are missing.
He described US Immigration law enforcement as terrorists and portraited the arrest of illigal aliens as horrible violence of the US government. He ensured the Hispanic community that under his administration, the above described tragedy will not happen.
He trashed US immigraiton law enforcement agency in order to get Latino’s votes. Just like the way he trashed US troops to get votes from anti-war voters.
I hold Obama in contempt — so it torques me off to have to say that in this tiny point he may have been correct.
Three or four years ago the INS did raid a chicken processing plant and parents were rounded up. There was one case of a nursing mother being deported — and her child was left in the US.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/01/eveningnews/main2750102.shtml
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/2669.cfm
October 31, 2007
After undocumented parents are detained by immigration-enforcement operations raiding worksites, children are being left behind, a new report reveals.
Released Wednesday by the National Council of La Raza (NCLR) and the Urban Institute, the report found that for every two undocumented workers detained, one child is left behind. And, of the children left behind, two-thirds are U.S. citizens younger than 10.
Oklahoma is one of the latest states to enact tough immigration laws. The law, which takes effect today, makes it a felony to move or house undocumented immigrants and enables documented workers to sue their employers if they’re displaced by undocumented workers, reports USA Today.
“That we are putting the youngest, most vulnerable members of our society at profound risk is something that must be taken into consideration in any policy decision,” Janet Murguia, president and CEO of NCLR, said in a statement. “This report clearly demonstrates that it may be years before we know the full effect of the worksite raids on these children and the long-term costs to our society.”
The nonpartisan Urban Institute studied three communities that were targeted in the past year by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents, who conducted large-scale worksite raids. The communities were Greeley, Colo., Grand Island, Neb., and New Bedford, Mass.
NCLR, which funded the study, reported that 912 people were arrested and 506 children were directly affected.
“The local governments and communities we studied did not have adequate resources to deal with children’s needs in the aftermath of the raids,” Randy Capps, a demographer with the Urban Institute, said in a statement. “At the same time, the federal government did not have in place policies and procedures that explicitly consider the protection of children.”
As children’s parents and guardians were carted off, schools, childcare providers and extended family were forced to provide for them. Following the raid, school districts made sure the children had family or guardians to go to.
I HATE to agree with that sh*thead on anything. However, the truth is the truth.
That is insulting to all those men and women that served, am appalled that this man wants to be commander in chief but yet this is what he feels that our military is engaged in.
Right Obama I can just see all the respect that individuals in the armed service will have for you, they will sure be willing now to go out there and put they life on the line after all the wonderful praise you are heaping on them, telling the world of what a wonderful job the military of the USA is doing.
Obama is for the troops in fact he has said time and time again that the troops need our support, the gov.ts support and that theMcCain voted against more funding to give support to the troops for fear they were getting “all kinds of goodies” in the bill trying to be past. who cares what was included the fact is that our troops havent recv’d crap under Bush. My family is in marines, navy, and coast guard so my info is 1st hand. the troops are fighting the wrong war without enough support….why else would mothers be packing things like bullet proof vests, silly string and other basic needs to keep our loved ones alive? i mean seeing as how McCain is so in the know. Why hasnt he given up the money? Oh I know he is helping the Wall street crooks with all his deregulation….lol
It won’t. Don’t worry about it.
In this video (pre Il Senate) Obama talks about Ayers and that the job Ayers gave him in Chicago was a major qualifier for public office. Obama also speaks of his friends Meeks and Pfleger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I
Any intelligent person knows the NYT is in the tank for Obama. This is just their velvet glove, token “investigaion” that allows the less intelligent to still believe the NYT is a serious work of journalism. Don’t expect the NYT to dig any deeper, as that would undercut their political agenda.
The Times is exactly what Steve Schmidt of Team McCain said they were: a joke masquerading as a legit news organization.
During this campaign season, they have Bob “Leaning Tower of Pisa” Herbert screw up, Elizabeth Bumiller print false and unsourced information, wrote an idiotic editorial blog posting, I think, about how Obama was not playing the race card which Obama essentially copped to the next day and now this. And there’s a hell of a lot more.
FUCK YOU New York Times. You’re a f*cking joke, and if anyone had any doubts about that before this election cycle, there are none now. When you get run out of business by better and more responsible profit ventures, no one will miss your stupid, jackass Jayson Blair grey behind.
Oh, and I had my own smear job by the NYT this season, so I know exactly what I’m talking about here. It can happen to you, too, if you are not on the side of the Upper West Side d*ckhead elitist liberal BS.
You’re going down, NYT. And it will be sweet as hell when you go under.
Right On Paul…
Here here!!
The reason nyt came out with this is because hannity on fox cable news, hannitys america is going to do a show on obamas connections, so they are trying to cover for him…this is the playbook, comeout and talk about his past like its no big deal,,so when someone else brings it up they have excuses for it…WATCH HANNITY SUNDAY NIGHT FOX CABLE NEWS,,,
Exactly; that has been their tactic all along: pre-empt and desensitized. And then polute the info. mixing truth w/half truths so that the public discards everything.
Shame on the news media 100 times over.
BTW: Tapper has an article today as well (surprised?)
He reports on a new FBI investigation on Rezko helping the rehab of the IL Gov.’s home. Just like w/Obama. But Tapper’s take is a cynical one in the sense that all this doesn’t matter and that it is just the Rep.’s October usual….(do not like his attitude).
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/obama-about-to.html
I read up on this and I’m praying Rezko has a moment of clarity and gives up Obambo!
Could you imagine if Rezko accused ObaFraud of taking bribery? He’d have to move back to Kenya..in disgrace and unbearable shame..as he should!
Hannity did a series of shows on Obama’s connections before he clinched the nomination. All he’s doing is re-running these same connections in one show instead of broken up over several. There are no new revelations. Also, the timing is bad as the economy gets worse. This is a losing tactic because instead of giving ideas on how they are going to help middle class Americas in a time of crisis, they are going for character assassination. This will drive even more independents and undecided voters to Obama. And the best part of it is that they announced that they will start going negative. If this is you fool-proof plan to defeat Obama, why in the world would your surrogates announce it? Obama’s people already know what’s coming and will have plans to refute all of it. That was just plain dumb.
The problems is that most voters are not intelligent. They are sheep that blindly follow what they consider to be unbiased reporting (MSM). I used to be one of them…until this year.
I firmly believe that the day after this election, we need to start some sort of grass roots movement for a responsible and accurate main stream media.
Well considering FOX has more viewers that MSNBC or CNN combined I don’t thin anyone is watching the MSM. Everyone I know has tuned the alphabet news out as well.
I think it is difficult for those of us who became involved in this election cycle way back during the primary campaigns to imagine that far more of the electorate are only now paying attention. And I completely understand that people who are only recently involved do not yet question the credibility of media they have counted on for years to provide accurate information on which they base their voting decisions.
I don’t understand how this is being overlooked in the MSM, why it isn’t being brought up in the debates, and why more people aren’t outraged. As always thanks Larry and thank you Steve.
Methinks that the NYT is seeing a DRAMATIC decline in subscriptions and readership due to their more than flagrant partisanship. They are trying to cover their behinds by throwing a bone at the barking angry dogs!
They should go UNDER, be taken over by Murdoch, to put some gall in ALL their mouths, and some dung in that of the Dowdy Maureen, and the drugged Bob Herbert!
May I recommend that we all write to the United States Military Academy at West Point. For decades they have forced the cadets to pay for subscriptions to the NYT so that it could insure that the cadets were aware of current events.
I would like to call for a switch of that policy given how biased the NYT is. I hate to see that 4000 soldiers are forced to read the propoganda while they are trying to prepare to serve the nation.
Were 4000 subscriptions to be cancelled in 1 day that would be a wake up call.
Jackie,
I am shocked to know that West Point students need to read NYT. They realy have to doing that.
NYT and other left wing media not only affect the Americans, they have impact worldwide. That really worries me.
I can read Chinese and I do read China, Taiwan and Hongkong versions of google news on a daily basis. When they report the American news, the sources are usually NYT, CBS or AP. I bet you that if McCain/Palin win in the election, the people in Taiwan, China and Hong Kong will be totally confused because they have been brain washed that Obama, no one else, will be our next President.
Sorry that I missed one word in my previous posting. I meant “they really have to STOP doing that.”
Since way back in the primaries, that has been the overriding question about the entire Obama candidacy.
Obama lied about his association with Rev. Wright, he lied about Tony Rezco, and William Ayers (not to mentions others!). John McCain needs to call him on these issues about LYING right at the debates for all to see. Why lie if there is nothing to hide? But as we all know there is something to hide and that is EXACTLY why he downplays his associations. (which is also known as LYING!)
A classic strategy by NYT, yield a little and hope it takes the wind out of the opposition’s sails. Also I think they are creating future citations for Obama. I can see a future Obama ad that states: “The New York Times said: “The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false,”
I see this as a confirmation that team Obama knows McCain or RNC or 527s, whoever, is going to come at him hard on Ayers over the next month. The wagons are being circled for the final showdown.
The good news is: the New York Times has no credibility with people outside of the elite, and they are already Obama supporters. Echo chamber. I stopped reading the Times in February–it’s garbage now. It’s integrity has been comprised since the build up to the war and Judith Miller’s relationship with Scooter (among others). It’s been all downhill from there. I can’t wait to see his “chickens come home to roost.” Sooner or later, he will be exposed.
They are more credible than noquarterusa. That’s good enough for me.
I agree, Shiloh. This NYT article appears to be a preemptive strike engineered by the Obama campaign, to soften the blow for any future attacks on this issue. The article is definitely overlaid with Obama talking points. It’s similar to the way Obama has handled the Rezko thing – by periodically revealing a little more info about the extent of the relationship.
That Story isn’t about DROPPING THE BALL Larry.
That story is about hitting first before the non Obama news gets out that THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE FOLKS MOVE ALONG MOVE ALONG HURRY!
Its called faking an Obama Campaign Press Release as a Investigative Journalism Piece.
But then, since The NYT is just one of the many so called News Organizations acting as the Third Leg of Barack Obama’s Propoganda Campaign, what the hell does anyone expect????
Shawn Hannity will have one hour on this topic tomorrow (Sunday) night on FOX News.
Everybody must watch it.
Why?its so biased and the story is untrue. Yes there was a meet and greet but there wasnt this “relationship” as implied. Factcheck.org has it straight and those who are interested in facts should check it out.
Shame on the McCain, Palin team using in the 11th hour tactics such as lying fearmongering instead of facts and telling us their ideas for the middle class!
Jeremiah,
You are always so right on. I read the NYT article this morning and thought the same. This is just an article to give a tidbit of info about Obama and ayers and make it out to be that’s all there is to it.
What’s with these people such as the NYT who wants our country destroyed by this person Obama and the awful people who support him?
God bless Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, O’Reilly
Laura Ingraham, Dick Morris(who I usually can’t stand) and many others.
Sean Hannity is going to have a telling show in Hannity’s America on Sunday night.
Also how about that “True Grit” Sarah Palin.
NRO called her a candy ball filled with granite.
Sarah is the saving grace for McCain. McCain has to quit playing Mr. nice guy wants to go to the White House. Get down and dirty now, its time.
No Obama for me,
I was from an Asian country which had the marshal law in place. The journalists there, who has Sean Hannity’s professionalism, had to fight against the governmental propaganda machine so that the people may learn the truth.
I feel very, very sad that in this country, we need the journalists like Sean Hannity to fight, not against the government, but the no-consience-left-wing journalists, who volunteered to be Obama’s propaganda machine.
exactly; it’s called “an innoculation.”
Ayers is laughing at America. His Daddy paid for the paving job and the corrupt and gutless Media perpetuate the myth that ‘Ayers is just an old toothless Hippie.’
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/10/past-is-prologue-except-when-it-makes.html
Guess who will be laughing if BO wins the election. The ENTIRE BO CAMPAIGN, why? Because they will say “Those dumb asses had every fact about me (BO) and like Hillary they kept there eyes closed and ignored every fact given to them. BO needs to be stopped…
??
Hillary didn’t keep her eyes closed. She called Obama out on Tony Rezko. While she out there, working on behalf of Civil Rights, Obama was hanging out with his slumlord friend Tony Rezko, and she said so.
She sent numerous urgent requests to have investigations done during all of the caucus fraud, and they were ignored. Over 2,000 complaints were filed.
Hillary had to fight Obama’s smears, Her own Party, the Mainstream media. You can add a 4th fight: the sheeple people who actually believed the lies. Don’t ever forget or minimize what she went through, and she still managed to get 18 million votes!!
She deserves respect.
I gave up on the New York Times when–along with almost all of the media–they assisted in the build-up to the Iraq War.
In a just world, the CEOs and reporters of all U.S. media would be in jail for inciting the citizenry to violence. Am I a dreamer or what?
Incidently, the incredible media support for the invasion serves as a quick proof that the media are not liberal. A liberal media would have spoken out against the Iraq invasion. Case closed.
perry:
You can say that I’m a dreamer,
But I’m not the only one…
Perry. Your logic on the proof that the media is not liberal fails yet again.
Let me be the first to say that Noone can accuse you of being inconsistant in your misrepresentation of the facts.
New York Times is purely EVIL.
NYT is worse than the propaganda machines controlled by the Chinese government under Chairman Mao’s control.
Perry,
Do you remember how NYT trashed the 4 Duke students who were falsely charged by Mike Nifone? Even after they were aquitted, NYT said that the 4 students are still guilty about everything else, like racist.
NYT is harming this society on a daily basis!!!
Obama claims he never worked for ACORN
Get more on the story here.
From Sweetness and Light
Again Obama is trying to change his past.
Mr. “Community Organizer” never worked for and/or with the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now- ACORN? LOL And I have a bridge in NY and some swamp land in FLA for sale to anyone who drank enough kool-aid to believe that!
Heh, wasn’t Obama their lawyer at one point?
I never know who hired Obama as a Community Organizer? Was he a voluteer working for nothing and his wife supported him?
This Project Vote page links itself with Acorn:
Project Vote/ACORN (Cincinnati)
http://www.idealist.org/if/i/en/av/Org/120519-89
The founder of Acorn considers Project Vote in its “family of organizations”.
chief organizer.com
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4eor6u
Yesterday in a note about the strange weather patterns of La Nina and global warning, we are pretty clear that in fact hell must have frozen over. As evidence we would cite the fact that John Fund, a Wall Street Journal columnist, and long time scurrilous opponent and truth-bender when it comes to ACORN, actually quoted Mike Slater from Project Vote in a favorable mention. If ACORN and our family of organizations and John Fund are aligned then in fact the stars and moon must have come together to oppose mail ballots in these putative contests conclusively. It is official now: they can not and are not allowed to happen!
What do Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Barack Obama have in common?
They both deny Historical facts.
Obama’s past is as stink as a septic tank that has not been cleaned for over 30 years.
Aaaaaaand they both run away from the GAY PRESS…lol
Of course there are no GAY people in Iran…Wriiiight?
i have yet to see a clear explanation of why
“exchanging ideas” with Bill Ayres is some kind of immmutable black mark on someone’s character.
As a professor in good standing at the University of Illinois/Chicago, I assume Ayres “exchanges ideas” regularly with a host of people; that’s pretty much his job, as he is employed by the government of Illinois to do. Should everyone he cross paths with refuse to “exchange ideas” with him because he was a member of the Weather Underground 40 years ago?
There is a reason this story has gotten no traction. People are focused on the many crises we face TODAY, not on another rehash of the tumult of the 1960s. Most voters weren’t even conscious people at that time and really don’t care about Ayres — a guy who’s not running for anything.
People are focused on the many crises we face TODAY
Are you out of your mind? As recently as 2001, Ayers said he wished he “would have done more” in terms of terrorist activities, and has not ruled out doing so. So tell me how domestic terrorism is not relevant in 2008?!
Also, I heard a member of special forces saying that Obama would not be able to get FBI or Secret Service clearance with his associations–but he’s able to get the ultimate security clearance as CIC?
Obama is not qualified to get the most basic security clearance.
I held a secret clearance so that I could order and process the equiment and parts to repair the MILES (laser tag) training materials.
Disqualifiers:
Foreign Family members:
~brother working for China Marketing
~brother trained as Economist in East Germany (currently in jail in Kenya for inciting violence after the December Elections)
~mother of his half-sister married to Russian
Associations:
William Ayers & wife Terrorists
Tony Rezko Convicted Felon
Travel:
Violated State Department Ban on travel to Pakistan in mid 1980’s
No Addresses during his time in NY?
He couldn’t order screws and wires to repair MILES–why the hell should we give him the Nuke Codes.
I’m just sayin’ DUDE!!!!!
Anyone has the right to “exchange ideas” with Ayers but I have no problem saying that I don’t want anyone who was attracted to an “idea exchange” with William Ayers to become president.
EXACTLY AND WELL PUT
tyvm for saying exactly what I would say
and about the media falling in line with the admin to make that BAD WRONG RIGHT TURN into Iraq? Well, it had nothing to do with being liberal or conservative.
It had to do with MOST of them trying to be patriotic otherwise be called a traitor by the wretched lying part of the right at the time.
I LIVE THROUGH IT TOO!
Now they think they have a handle on their ignorance and have swung all the way into the dumpster with Obiwan just to prove they are NO longer under the guidance of Cheney. (which many of us believe he got let OFF the hook time and time again for lying over and over and being proven WRONG over and over and THENNNNNNNN
Pelosi takes it off the table? Wonder why? I’m telling you I would bet a years salary she made a deal with them to insure DEMS WOULD TAKE OVER in 08.
Allow us to fraud our way into power like you did and we’ll NOT prosecute you.
They BOTH STINK TO HIGH HEAVEN AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THEM ALLLLLLLLL!
My fingers are crossed that Sarah is a good start. It may take her a few years to get them all but I trust she may. At least she’ll get a FEW things down before they ALL CORRUPT HER!!!
ALL OF THEM
CORRUPT!!!
SHOW ME ONE THAT IS NOT OR HAS NOT BEEN AT ONE TIME??? (they must have been re-elected at least once to get so kocky imo)
I wish I could name one.
bss,
Why don’t help yourself by learning more facts? Watch Shawn Hannity’s show tomorrow night, if you are brave enough to face the facts.
Mom and I were JUST talking about Hannity’s America this morning at breakfast! Still shocked we watch FOX news after all these years having it banned. (brainwashed)
She thought it was on today. I had to remind her it was Sunday. I’m looking forward to it and will warn the dog (not NANA) to do her business before the show or practice “stay” “hold it” “hold it” “hoeeeeeeeeeeLD IT! LOL
It’s so great to have freedom of understanding!
I wish everyone could learn how. It’s worth trying.
jmo.
Its one thing to exchange facts, quite another to give Obama his first fund raiser from his (Ayers) very own home. Yet according to Obama, Ayers is someone he just happens to live in his neighborhood.
Swallow on, Obamabot, swallow on.
What are you, 12?
Let’s see, if we learned that Bozo was drinking lattes with Terry Nichols (in case you are 12, he aided and abetted Tim McVeigh) would that be reason for concern? Damn right.
Thanks for covering this Larry. I know people at work who make ALL their political decisions based on the NYT. They believe that it’s still unbiased journalism, an oxymoron in any case.
It’s funny how when it comes to Obama’s past, its leave it alone…but when it comes to McCain, you cant stop living in the past.
LOL…Careful there Obotomists have an allergy to LOGIC….
Wouldn’t mind detailing what those “exchange of ideas where” would you?
I concluded BO thought there was something wrong with his relationship with Mr. Ayers,however involved or attenuated, given these facts. For example, 1) he failed to disclose such a relationship existed. 2) When confronted, he denied such a relationship existed. 3) Despite records confirming the two men worked on an educational project through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, BO obfuscated their relationship, offhandedly referring to BA as a Professor of English.
Steve: Is Stanley Kurtz or any other media outlet following up on this story, and have you given them access to your research?
fif,
I would like to invite your to watch shawn Hannity’s show tomorrow night on Fox News. He will covet this topic.
The New York Times Should Change It’s Name To “BOHICA”!
BOHICA Is An Old Indian Word Meaning:
“Bend Over Here It Comes Again”!
I put Steve’s piece up at RCP a bit a go. Please vote it up.
NYT Admits Obama Lied Then Covers Up The Truth..Get Truth Here
Once again, the New York Times misses the story, parroting the false claims of the Obama Campaign about the relationship between Bill Ayers and Barack Obama. Some months ago the Times reported without comment the Campaign’s lie that the first time Obama met Ayers was in late 1995 at a “meet and greet” held at Ayers’ home for Obama wh…
Submitted By 30yrdem – Oct 4, 8:53 am 2 votes | VOTE
So, Barack Obama was the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BOARD CHAIR.selected by Ayers because headquarters demanded it! And, now, we have the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE because Howard Dean demanded it! Will the American people now select the AFFIRMATIVE ACTION PRESIDENT–a candidate with no experience, no qualifications, and no character, who became President of the United States–just because he’s black?
Of course they did
The important thing to consider is the role of these foundations, like Annenberg and more importantly the Ford Foundation of which Bam Bam’s mother Stanley Ann
Dunham was on the payroll.
It is Ford Foundation that helped fund the ‘Weather Underground” as well as James Cone’s Black Liberation Theology operation.
The best reference is Webster Tarpley’s new book
Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography (Buy at Amazon to get it up the ratings list) The book goes into detail into the networks behind Obama, with an analysis that demonstrates exactly how these oligarchical forces have destroyed America and intend to further enslave you.
So consider this~
I tell you who should say something and be VERY informed this information before she alerts the people watching the MSM stations. It should be Sarah Palin. What does she have to lose? Let the smirky, tough gal get on one of the MSM shows and say, ” What really bothers me about the Media(MSNBC and CNN), is how can you spend 24/7 talking about my personal life and don’t even give one moment on Bill Ayers? Yes, the Bill Ayers, that guy that Obama said was a neighbor that lived down the street and tried to bomb our lovely capital when he was eight years ago? Eight years old! Let’s guy serious, Chris Matthew, Obama was NOT eight years old, and you as Journalist have failed the American people. Let’s talk about Bill Ayers, Mr. Chris Matthew, this guy wasn’t just his neighbor, this guy bombed our country, this guy sat with him, did legislations, bills, and the list goes on and on. They are friends! Now how in the hell can anyone be qualified to run our country with a friend like this, Chris? The people are NOW getting this informaton from certain fair and balance stations and the blogs? So, please don’t talk to me about Troopgate issues, talk to me about how the Media gave up our country to radicals!” Yep….that is what smirky, daring, Sarah should do and say to him. But of course, they will never take the chance on having her on their stations because she MIGHT just say it. You know, let her say it on the fair and balance stations over and over. The 70 million people that watched her are people that are curious about her and will pick up the info. A good example is the remark of Obama saying that we were killing children and raiding villages, I personally did not know this and she alerted me to it last night. Lets have this woman as the golden trumpet of the Angel of G-d standing on the sands by the ocean alerting the country. We have 30 days to accomplish this. If the camp refuses to put the whitey tape (if it exist) and the sins of the Limo, then let’s use our gal with the smirky, tough smile to use that golden trumpet in every opportunity she gets. Amen
Sorry, for my spelling, guys and gals, I don’t know who to use my spell check on this computer. Everytime I do- it updates my page.
Hmmmm…I have an old fashioned dictionary on my desk….I’m just sayin’
buy a mac?
For spell check — use Firefox — it has a spell check built in.
The spell check always red underlines Obama.
The NY Times has no blacks on its board of 15 and on there corp group of 31 only one black
This first link will show there pics
http://www.nytco.com/company/board_of_directors/index.html
NY TIMES
executive-editor@nytimes.com
Managing
managing-editor@nytimes.com
The Newsroom
news-tips@nytimes.com; thearts@nytimes.com; bizday@nytimes.com; foreign@nytimes.com; metro@nytimes.com; national@nytimes.com; sports@nytimes.com; washington@nytimes.com
PUBLIC EDITOR To reach Clark Hoyt, who represents the readers, e-mail public@nytimes.com or call (212) 556-7652.
TO WRITE THE PUBLISHER OR PRESIDENT Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Chairman & Publisher:
publisher@nytimes.com.
Scott H. Heekin-Canedy, President, General Manager
president@nytimes.com.
Hmmmm…NYT had a AA editor who hired a reporter named Jason….Just a fact
The PEST,
Your presumption is completel wrong.
You do not need to be a black to be biased.
Your can be objective, without bias, if you are a black.
Larry, You and others at NQ assured us that the GOP and 527s had enough in their vaults to bury Obama, and would use them when necessary.
So, now we need an update.
What is the status of the whitey tape, the Soetoro birth certificate, the research from Indonesia?
If the month goes by and none of these discoveries surface, and Obama wins — Will that mean you were misled by your friends, that the GOP/527s decided not to help McCain, or what?
Frankly, your insider information is one big reason I keep visiting this blog.
Ehemmmm….it’s only Oct. 4…nuff said…
Asking Larry for an update.
an update would be great!
I keep coming back here to mostly read Larry (no offense to everyone else but there’s only so much time in a day)
I have decided that NO one tells the truth 100 percent of the time and EVERYone slants news to their OWN personal editorial views. That is natural.
It’s like picking berries. You get a lot of thorns but once the fruit is cleaned up its usually worth it. And some are less thorny than others. Larry is usually Berry good!
jmo
Larry
Thanks for pointing out what people need to know and understand. Obama is lying and the NYT is trying to cover it up. We are in big big trouble if he gets in because we will have no press telling the truth on what is going on in Washington. There will be no transparency in Washington no truth in the press. All just cover ups. Pelosi won’t let any investigations go on over Fan and Fred till after the election…They are trying to hide who is responsible for this mess.
Larry what in the hell can we do? How do we stop them? We only have Fox News reporting any truth and not everyone gets Fox.
Hi Larry,
Thanks again to you and to Susan and to all of your bloggers for your untiring and faithful work here.
Can you give us any indication of how things will be playing out via the Repub campaign over the next 30 days? Do we still have reason to hope?
I’d like to know where the barrage of 527’s that were supposed to hit in October are. You had posted awhile ago about a source that told you they had a formula worked out based on internal polling. Well, if they are not unleashing at this point, I don’t know what they are waiting for. I don’t get it.
While providing some detail, the tone of the NYT article definitely attempts to still downplay the relationship. I thought it was amusing that they claim that Obama and Ayers just happened to “cross paths” from 1995-1999 on Annenberg, and then they just happen to “cross paths” again in 1999 on the Woods board.
It’s beyond me how any informed citizen can think that this disturbing pattern of Obama associations has nothing to do with who he is – and his qualifications to be President. Hopefully, the McCain campaign will start hitting some of this hard in the time left, so that people who are just starting to pay attention to the election can get educated on who Obama really is.
i mat be wrong but i think tuesdays debate is gonna open alot of eyes to obamas associates. these debates are the only time the american public can see un-edited information.
I was at a town hall meeting last week and one question came up that had the whole audience on their feet in with thunderous applauds: “Senator McCain, when will the gloves come off?”. It’s now or never, McCain may win or lose the debate but I would prefer him to come out swinging. No more Mr. nice guy…you can’t win an election that way. Hillary got nowhere by biting her tongue. Go Mac! Put that little skinny punk in his place!!!
Hillary did call Obama out, Tony Rezko, lying about her healthcare plan, etc,etc.
There was only so much she could have done at the time.
She had to deal with the sexism, the racist labels.
At the time, people didn’t want to hear about the sexism, they denied it and said no, it’s just Hillary.
At the time, people were not hip to Obama calling anyone a racist if they didn’t follow him, and people actually started to question whether or not the Clintons really were racist.
My point is that Hillary dealt with a lot of crap, she paved the way for a lot of women in politics, and I’m tired of people acting like all of this is somehow her fault.
It’s not.
Yep, I figured as much, you people are just plain crazy.
Did you come to this conclusion before or after you read the investigative journalism on daily Kos regarding the Pregnancy Suit and the Black father of Bristols second baby?
And more importantly, were you one of the many concerned callers who prompted the AP to inquire of the debate commision of Palin’s ear Canals would be checked for any radio transmitters to ensure she wasnt fed answers from off-stage?
You want to talk about crazy?
no.
No you dont.
Really.
What is is is that You just DON’T want to talk about obama’s past because that a no win conversation for Mr Hopey Changey.
Well Ralphie..folks like you said the same shit in Berlin 1933…
History is afterall…Only a record of Human Behavior
Nope, Ralphie. We’re just INFORMED.
I like this part: “But the two men do not APPEAR to have been close.” The key word is appear. We better realize that behind the gold curtain, Ayers is one of the puppet masters. He couldn’t bring America down through overt violence, so he is now getting his chance to do it covertly and some uneducated Americans are marching right along with him and they don’t even know it. Those of us who do know will be pulled in totally unwilling but forced if Obama wins this election. I hope Hannity throws some serious bombs in his special Sunday. Haven’t heard a lot of ads about it so I’m hoping that means they want to keep it close to the vest until showtime. Either that or it’s a soft piece that will really do nothing aka the NYT article.
Please someone explain this concept to me how its possible that a person whose first campaign was hosted by a man who has bombed places in our country, can have associates running for the highest position we have to offer? please overlook typo’s just got off duty.
But I just dont get it. What is making people overlook these things? Ayers is a terriorist and I dont care what school he teaches at. But I dont get it. have we fallen that far that the best we can get is this? I am having a problem wrapping my mind around this. Do the dems feel this is insignificant? It disgusts me that anyone can make excuses for terriorist actions. They need this information at every major base, flyers…emails… from here on bragg in nc, to fort drum in new york,fort irwin in california, and macdill afb in florida. there is no way he will get votes. i am sick of the dems. u would have to be on crack to even think someone would overlook this.
Anway thanx for those of you made a donation on my blog last night to help get the flyers printed! I am still designing the smaller ones that be handed out like business cards…
People assume, if the information is material to an understanding of everything Obama, surely, the MSM would have exposed this information by now; and given all of these important people supporting the man, he cannot be so bad, anyway.
I think it has to do with for lack of a better term
ALARMIST FATIGUE
MUNDUS VULT DECIPI
The World Wants to be Deceived
Last night, I talked to a high school kid working at his relative’s business. Kids are being brainwashed by the schools and teachers that McCain will be for more war and Obama won’t. Sarah Palin has just (rightly) attacked BHO for his comments about Afghanistan. She would not be taking this chance to change voter’s minds if she didn’t feel this (BHO and aggressive foreign policy) to be true as the rest of us at NQ KNOW to be true.
I, personally, believe that all parents with a conscience who know schools are doing this should pull the kids out at least when it is practical or as often as possible until Nov. 4. They aren’t learning anything under these circumstances anyway and let the school districts have some pain over loss of state funds per individual student.
McCain and Palin need to call out Obama on his associations with Ayers and others and bring independent voters to his side.
McCain/Palin08
You saw the news on Virginia’s Teacher’s union right?
Wear blue on Tuesday and promote Barack Obama.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I told my local principal that she would answer for this nonsense in court if my kids report that it happens.
SHe assured me she wouldn’t allow it–trust but verify–I will be there daily for the next few weeks.
Jackie,
Thank you for doing this.
soldier4hillary, someone up thread said that Ayers was not running for anything. Well why should he. He would not stand a snowballs chance in Hades of getting anywhere. He and Obama’s other terrorists supporters, ie., big money contributors from foreign countries need only to put the post turtle in there and they can accomplish through their puppet what they haven’t been able to do otherwise. Destroy the United States from the inside out. Frightening scenario. Shawn Hannity is about to start unleasing his arsenal, I think and can only hope. Remember he was the only one who was brave enough to start the Wright issue moving when noone else would. Then it had the domino effect on the other MSMs.
I hope the Ayers connection gets hammered the next few weeks and I think it will. But I don’t really think it is one of the big guns. I think the big guns trained on Obama are: (in no order)
Chicago Political Machine
Lacks American Roots/Name and Citizenship Issues
Wright/Farrakahn/Black Liberation Theology
Lacks Admin Experience/Pseudo-Celebrity
Hard Left Radical
The Ayers relationship fits very nicely into your Chicago Political Machine and Hard Left Radical sections. Ayers is still an admitted radical, refers to himself as a small “c” communist, and has converted to Islam. I think he’s a significant piece in the jigsaw puzzle of Obama’s background.
Didn’t Obama and Ayers live within two blocks of each other in New York City when Obama attended Columbia?
Yes and they live in the same neighborhood in Chicago.
Your last two points are really two facets of the Ayers/BO connection, because Ayers etc. form the hard left conduit through which BO came into power, and the way Ayers etc. pulled the strings gave BO the chance to play public roles without actual qualifications, and thereby helped bootstrap BO into ever-increasing positions of stature without ever actually doing the job.
This connection accounts for everything from moving from Occidental to Columbia, then the Chicago ‘community organizing,’ then his admission to (and funding in) Harvard, then his selection as head of the HarvLRev, then his early legal career.
BO never had the actual credentials for anything, it was always smoke, mirrors, and big connections playing in the background, and there has always been a power/hardleft purpose to all this.
Affirmative action not for the purpose of actually helping eradicate the longstanding structural and systemic effects of racism, sexism, classism, ablism, heteroism, etc. — but affirmative action for the purpose of elevating hardleft desire for power to the highest levels — power for power’s sake. And then, maybe, a bit of help for their friends.
Hmmmm…Shiloh I think they will keep hammering home the last on your list…
Barky + Corrupt Democrats = Incompetence & Socialism
Not if they know what the word “socialism” means.
Believe it or not, repeatedly misusing a key political term doesn’t help the cause. In fact, it might make you look stupid, or misinformed.
Wikipedia “socialism” and have a look. There will be a short quiz.
perry you really are pompous
there’s no mistaking it or HOW it might be read
BRAVO Dawnelle….DNC Apologist…Perry makes a fool of himself…sheeesh!
Perry there are other sources that are more reliable than WIKI…sheeeesh!
You are a FOOL….COULD ONLY STAND .10 SECONDS OF ONE OF YOUR VIDEOS…LOL
Supprime Tuuam Stutiloquium!…TACE!
The Ayers connection needs to be put in the context of Obama’s lifelong association with radical marxists. If the Times or anyone else was interested in true investigative journalism, they would explore the connection between Frank Marshall Davis and the Ayers family, and whether Davis directed Obama to Ayers decades ago.
Good point. One of the biops I saw on Davis made it clear that he had longstanding radical ties with someone in Chicago, more light needs to be shed on that, for sure!
What’s really great about all of this? Obama couldn’t get FBI clearance because of all of his filthy, dirty criminal associates and his ties to radical Arab terrorists. But there are azzholes in America who think he should be POTUS. WTF happened to the brains of Americans? Are they sitting on them?
New York Times – Taking
Covering Up Real News and parroting Obama Campaign Talking PointsInvestigative Journalism to a New Happy Placelol
The Ayers connection alone will not be enough to sink Barky Oblahblah. But it can be part of a long string of radical associations, bad judgments, fraud, corruption, inexperience and wrong values that chokes the air out of his campaign. Someone needs to tie it all together, into ONE coherent picture that paints Obama as unfit to lead this great country. Put the pieces of the puzzle together and present it to the undecideds in the middle. C’mon 527’s–Connect the dots already!
I think the McCain campaign has pretty much connected all the dots. Take a look at barackbook.com They have just been hesitant to go hard into the issue of Obama’s character, background and judgment – but I think that is about to change.
In fact, I think the NYT article is almost a preemptive strike done by the Obama campaign – in anticipation of coming attacks on this issue. The NYT article does provide more detail than has ever been admitted in public – but it is still overlaid with Obama talking points – that the two “weren’t close,” “don’t exchange ideas,” etc.
i agree, but i think the mccain camp is holding off because 1] they want this on americans minds on nov4 and 2] not give obama any time to counter
Video is telling. This may not be about Ayers but does link Obama to ACORN and then shows nonpartisan ACORN at their last convention. It’s ugly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhQAHKxuR1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8Ep1tkNOUU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=625jUE78zjE
Dee,
Not only is this SCARY, scary. It is also disgusting that every American has to help pay for it.
LookingForwardTo 2012,
The blacks have concluded that the whites, especially the liberals, are laughable idiots.
Straight up question for Obama and the next debate:
Senator Obama you were the chairman of the Annenberg project in Chicago. A project that had $100 million dollars at its inception. Why haven’t you discussed this project and its outcome, moreover why doesn’t the public have a clue of your involvement? You never list this as part of your past ‘experience’ or ‘acheivements’?
Yes; you get it. The issue is not just the relationship but the denial of this relationship. Let’s hope McCain and Palin get this, too.
Not only did Ayers bomb govt. buildings, his last mission was a plot to bomb a dance at Ft. Dix full of soldiers and civilians that only failed because the bomb detonated early killing some of his cohorts. Then he was caught and got off because his family was wealthy with American dollars which he made full use of. Now he has resurfaced like a bug that crawls out of the ground every so many years. It’s just beyond disgusting that Obama is associated with Ayers in any way at all, and that he is allowed to run for president of this country. They are America haters and he is in the thick of them from childhood to now. No one can convince me that this hasn’t influenced his thoughts, values and intentions which is why he is being so easily manipulated by these very same people. Sorry to go on like this, but this subject makes me hopping mad and really frustrated that Americans don’t get this.
Cicadas. And you are right, the last big 17-year infestation in Chicago was 2006, I believe.
Fort Dix? Shit we deployed there, well went on TDY for the humanitarian effort there when we were bringing Kosovo refugees into the states. Can you believe this? A military base? WTF is wrong with these people? The democratic party needs to answer and account for why this has not been given to the people of this country.how can you explain a nominee having associates that attempted to bomb one of our military installations? bomb buildings? uhh the more i find out about this guy i am trying to figure out how he is even eligible. this tells me that they honestly dont even CARE as long as they get a historical nomination.
I should be able to find this info online? I need a link. this is outrageous
I am not sure of a link because this incident was mentioned on another blog. I remember parts of it from the time it occurred, but I did not look it up to confirm all of it. Sorry I can’t be more definitive and am not trying to mislead anyone. It also could be that the dance was being held off base, but from the explanation, it sounded like it was at the installation. Thanks for all you do, by the way Soldier. There are no words to use that can convey my gratitude.
Soldier4Hillary: Here’s one excerpt relating to the above incident from an article in the Chicago Magazine August 2001:
“In 1970, a bomb that was apparently being built in a Greenwich Village townhouse, occupied by at least five members of the Weatherman, accidentally exploded—killing three of the group, including Ayers’s beloved Diana Oughton. In Fugitive Days, Ayers tries to imagine what happened. Maybe Diana tried to stop the others from their path? Maybe they all drank too much coffee and smoked too many cigarettes?
Maybe Diana saw that this bomb, packed with nails and screws, would have exacted a heavy human toll if it had ever reached its destination—a New Jersey military base. Could she have, in a gesture of sacrifice, crossed the wires herself? “I’ll never know what happened,” he says. “That’s the price I have to pay.”
And voters in 2008 — facing economic meltdown, health-care crisis, iraq war, energy crisis — should give priority to this incident from 38 years ago…why?
Im trying to point out that THIS IS NOT A WINNING ISSUE FOR MCCAIN! he needs to find a way to connect with voters on the economy and other issues if he wants to WIN! he can’t win by ressurecting an ancient debate about the tactics of the weather underground!
Because the man in the incident is still the same man with the same anti American issues and he is intimately involved in our election of the next President that’s why. Obama was formed of the thoughts and beliefs of numerous thugs just like Ayers. If you’ve been reading this site you know how many there are, how they influenced him and his current involvement with them. Obama should never have been allowed to run based on these people alone and yet here he is, close to being the POTUS. Every bad connection he’s ever had should be of prime importance to all voters and they need to know every last detail before Nov.4.
That article was shameful. The nyts interviews an obama campaign spokesman and a couple of friends of obama. That’s not reporting that’s a whitewash. The times article only begs the question that has been out there since the beginning: What are they trying to hide?
I have just written to all the execs at the NYTimes. I suggest everyone on here try to do the same, especially the President and the Executive Editor.
I think we should also find the ten top advertisers in the NYTimes and write them we are boycotting the Times and copy it to all the stuff shirts at the Times.
We the People Of America are the only ones that can make a difference in our country gone awry.
I can not believe McCain is not using the Ayers and Rev.Wright connection. The video of Wright had the Dems running for cover. As they say out of site out of mind. The Rev Wright video has to be Resurrected
Good article Larry…We need a crusading Teddy Roosevelt type….that is certain
Corruptio Optima Pessima
The Corruption of the Best is the Worst
I love your use of the Latin quotes. They sound so much more official when presented that way. Thanks!
here is the info again
NY TIMES
executive-editor@nytimes.com
Managing
managing-editor@nytimes.com
The Newsroom
news-tips@nytimes.com; thearts@nytimes.com; bizday@nytimes.com; foreign@nytimes.com; metro@nytimes.com; national@nytimes.com; sports@nytimes.com; washington@nytimes.com
PUBLIC EDITOR To reach Clark Hoyt, who represents the readers, e-mail public@nytimes.com or call (212) 556-7652.
TO WRITE THE PUBLISHER OR PRESIDENT Arthur Sulzberger Jr., Chairman & Publisher:
publisher@nytimes.com.
Scott H. Heekin-Canedy, President, General Manager
president@nytimes.com.
Please email the times if you can. I have gotten responses from public@nytimes.com several times.
Check Steve Diamond’s article here on NQ, include the link to the orignal times article so they know which article you are commenting on, include some facts and be nice. Somebody at the times will at least read it.
Make difference. Write an email.
This will be my Sat. nite project…. Thanks for all the links and addresses. With the current crisis – boycotting advertisers will be much easier
Oversight by everyone, so what about the association between Ayers and Obama as friends, that is a story, but NOT the major story when it comes to Obama as POTUS, the real story here is a simple one:
Obama worked on the ABC coalition and the Anneburg Challenge (headed the Annenburg Challenge) both of which were complete and total failures, yet Obama claims to be a reformed of education if he becomes POTUS! A two time loser wants to take another stab at education reforms to cause more damage to America’s children?
What is so wrong with this picture?
If you look into the bailout bill I think you will find that the government is buying the New York Times also. Obama will become their Editor in Chief.
I thought a mexican millionaire was buyin it…hmmmm
Larry,
Why don’t you publish the story in another newspaper? Why don’t you go on fox and talk about it?
He won’t because he’s a liar with no credibility.
Here’s link to listen to McCain’s Weekly Radio Address today:
http://www.johnmccain.com/blog/Read.aspx?guid=78e9218b-ffaf-411e-9376-ac732c13f4d8
Everyone has forgotten what hillary clinton said way back when.He (OBAMA) can’t win.There was a reason she said that she knows what the GOP has on obama.Everyone will find out very soon.McCain will win on November 4th wait and see!!!!!!
If the press is a protected part of the Constitution, why not have standards for the press so that the public can be protected from the press. The put-downs by Obamabots regarding ‘low information voters’ ie. not supporting Obama, is really about the ‘no infomration press’, pissing on the objective nature of their jobs and therefore producing a bad product for Americans. The need to reform and have standards as simple as objectivity can be measured on monthly, weekly, or daily basis.
Elections are too important to be thrown by candidate with foreign contributions and a willingly corruptible press. I know longer view them as having a liberal and racially-guilt tripping, misognynistic persona, but actually taking money to slant the news in Obama’s favor. Its a betrayal of core America’s ideals of freedom and democracy
Teddy Roosevelt crusaded against YELLOW JOURNALISM
Check out Flat Earth News…and churnalism…
I really wish someone would investigate what happened to the NYT immediately following their endorsement of Clinton.
They must have been paid off hugely.
They had several brilliant, in-depth articles on Obama, like the classic linked below.
Then suddenly overnight, every article was a tabloid blow job.
wwwDOTnytimesDOTcom/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?hp
Obama has set black people back many years. When it will eventually comes out (probably after he’s president) that he is a criminal, this will shine a very dark light on black people and other races will lose respect for the black race. People of other races will think… see he’s Havard eduacted and made it all the way to Senate, but he still turn out to be a crimnal. If we can’t trust a black person with all those credential then there’s no hope for the average black person, especially since ninty-five percent of black people will vote for Obama.
Ehemmmm….There are many AA politicans & Public Servants I like…In my hometown we have One Helluva Crusading District Attorney who is AA and is takin on the fraudulent convictions that were standard for decades….I’m just sayin’
this guy has no problem throwing people under the bus, including the AA community
True…ted…very true
Well…the AA community should stand up against this guy instead of looking the other way. It is their undoing. I understand the pride that the AA community have… to have a black President but to over look all his criminal associates and not demand an investigation…It does not say much for the AA community.
This comment pertain to black folks who bindly support him which is 95%. To the other 5%, sorry…
The other 5% AA’s are regularly accused as Race Traitors for not drinkin the Koolaide…
One of the best anti-obama videos is a good one by 2 young conservatives, one an AA & the other an Hispanic who gets into a Jedi fight with Barky. It’s pretty funny
I have been wondering why, at this time, would NYT do a story on Ayers?
My conclusion is, they would like to distract everyone from what the real scandal is. The real scandal could bring Obama down big time.
After much research and digging it becomes quite clear that Obama and the Democrats are largely responsible for this debacle on Wall St.
To point out this in the MSM would most certainly be devastating for Obama.
Yep…You are correct HARP…
What about Barney’s obvious conflict of interest with who he was dating….hmmmm….
CAVEANT CITIZENS NE QUID DETRIMENTI RESPUBLICA CAPIAT!
BEWARE CITIZENS THAT THE REPUBLIC IS NOT HARMED!
Oh yeah from the other thread YES we are still taking donations for the McCain/Palin Flyers being made and the “Fact Check for Palin” cards on my blog.
Here is the Weather Underground timeline in PDF format for you Soldier4hillary. It explains it all.
http://www.americanissuesproject.org/pdf/WeatherUndergroundTimelineOfEvents.pdf
Thank you
Thanks for providing all the information and the link.
I think McCain has much to gain by asking Obama why he lied to Iowa citizens about supposed bill to protect his constituents against nuclear power interests.
Brain Moore Socialist Party Leader is on Fox with Cavuto right now saying he is happy for government take over of the banks.
Wouldn’t it be great if all the LEFTIES just swarmed the MSM in support for Barky?
This from Foundation watch, published by Capitol Research Center, a non-partisan education research organization. Page 9 is about Acorn and has quotes from Obama praising Acorn.
Barack Obama-A Radical Leftist Journey From Community Organizing to Politics.
http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1212187691.pdf
The entire article is a very informed read.
As the report states, it’s hard to run away one’s past…however, since it was written, this is just what Obama has successfully done with the aid of the complicit media…
The problem with the New York Times and the Washington Post is that they have forgotten that democracy is dependent upon a free press. The New York Times motto use to be “All the News that is Fit to Print” and the Washington Post website states “We all share a belief that the free flow of information is essential to a successful democracy. Over the year’s the company’s leaders have taken great risks to ensure that citizens have unfettered access to the news.” http://www.washpostco.com/history.htm
News has lost out in both newspapers and television news as both groups scramble for revenue. Over the years they have lost readership and to keep their companies going they have turned themselves into an advertising media groups. In doing so, they have lost their journalistic traditions. They now cater to whoever pays them the most in advertising revenue. It would be interesting to know how much both campaigns have spent on advertising and where. We might find that the person who they are promoting in their “news” articles is the one paying them the most in advertising revenue.
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Good point.
It would be ironic if Repubs get interested in the Fairness Doctrine again, now that their ox is being gored. Would that be hypocrisy, or something close to it?
Gee Perry…LBJ led the fight for Civil Rights passage in congress when the Democratic Party was RACIST…Was he a hypocrite?
You spew as much intolerant bigotry as any right winger…Keep your Loyalist Blinders on and fight the fight for HYPOCRISY….The DNC has a great apologist
in you
no friggen kiddin
LOL….Perry Logan’s CAUSE…Is promoting Perry Logan Videos..chuckle…in this He and Barry have much in common…NARCISSIST NARCOSIS
Talking about NYT is like talking about Obama press releases. It is a complete waist of time.
Sugar said last night she wants McCain to go negative and I agree with her…the HAMMER must come down…he’ the “leader” and he must lead….
So, we hear he was brusque with Obama in the Senate? They claim McCain was angry. (Remember when Obama dissed Hillary by turning away?)
Well, McCain should get a little “angry” and go after this little piece of garbage that they’re shoving down our throats!!
Jack Cashill has an interesting multi-part story on Bill Ayers as the possible ghost writer for Obama’s “Dreams From My Father”.
What Mr Cashill says makes a lot of sense to me and would not only bring into question Obama’s association with an unrepentent terrorist, but would show him to be the shameless liar, fraud, and phoney that he is.
According to Mr Cashill,
“Obama’s memoir was published in June 1995. In January 1995, Ayers had chosen Obama, then a junior lawyer at a minor law firm, to chair the multi-million dollar Chicago Annenberg Challenge grants.”
For more, check Cashill’s website at http://www.cashill.com.
McCain to go negative with The HAMMER !
WHAT IS HE WAITING FOR AFTER HE LOSES?
It is getting late John
More Rev Wright tapes played on TV
he may not need to go too mean
and I kind of respect him more for not going there, yet
he doesn’t live in a glass house & I appreciate his knowing it!
But it IS hard to win against someone who loves themselves as much as Barry does…… especially when he’d convinced an Army of BO-BOTS to be loyal to his group of “misfits against humanity”
I think it is time too. And it isn’t as if Obama has not thrown down the gauntlet. I just happened to have surfed across the last 10 minutes of Inside Edition yesterday and they had a nice little story about Cyndi McCain and her prescription drug problems and the alleged pressure from McCain himself to keep it all quiet at the time.
So go for it Republicans…unless, of course, you are waiting for a ruling in the Berg lawsuit. Bumping Obama off the ticket would be the best way to go, I think, riots or no riots.
Bumping Obama off the ticket would be the best way to go, I think, riots or no riots.
- I agree
Whenever the media gets involved in Obama’s controversies, it’s always to cover them up and exonerate him. At the same time, whenever the media looks into manufactured controversies surrounding Obama’s opponents, it’s always to magnify the fake controversy and perpetuate it and claim it as the solid truth. This has gone on even before the hatchet job they did to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Sarah sorry for Joe and other NY headlines
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/2008/10/04/sarah-sorry-for-joe-and-other-ny-headlines-bailout-blues/
Berg vs Obama legal action update:
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933
UNBELIEVABLE
thanks for the link mj….Berg is my HERO…
SALUS POPULI SUPREMA LEX ESTO
Let the Welfare of the People be the Extreme Law
I just blasted this story through email to all my contacts. The Democratic party does not care to respect the process of this election. There actions are bordering being traitors and treason. If they gave a shit about this country they would provide that information. If they intend to keep up this charade they should face legal actions. There judgement is dangerous to national security in my opinion and I honestly wish Bush would get involved. These people literally sicken me.
What a great relationship between a guy running for POTUS who goes around bad mouthing our troops that Fight For Our Freedom and doesn’t bother to drop by and visit with the injured soldiers because he couldn’t bring his entourage with him, and a guy known as a U.S. TERRORIST.
WHAT AN AD THIS WOULD MAKE!!!
This article is political for Obama. They are specifically choosing their words to paint a false picture.
re “The suggestion that Ayers was a political adviser to Obama or someone who shaped his political views is patently false,”
…oh gee, what a relief (snark). Hmmm who claims of just that? We know he’s not an adviser on Obama’s campaign, that would have been suicide. But he was a PARTNER, ALLY, MENTOR, PROMOTER, but no, not “an adviser”. lol
The NYT’s article is almost laughable!
“the two men do not appear to have been close”
The bank robber and the get-away driver are not “close” either, but they still do the time!
Like the WMD, apparently the media in this country want to elect BO, then get rich ripping him apart!
If that is the case, I hope they all get a special seat in hell!
Seriously, would we expect any differently from the NY Times?
I just got off the phone with one of my soldiers spouse about this and she made a very good observation. First “Why is the media not reporting it” and why Obama supporters are more scared of Palin being VP than the fact that a candidate is taking illegal contributions from places many would call our enemies.
What people do NOT realize how bad this is. It questions our elected officials judgement in what is best for this country. Both parties are guilty. We as a whole have a right to know. How would YOU feel if almost 30 some odd days left you find out the person you intended to voter for had associates such as this? That is a dilema for the people I talked to today. And if they finally getting around to addressing those contributions from those third world countries? The Democratic party will not have a prayer of a chance for winning.
That would be the ultimate betrayal. That you placed the welfare of a man or woman before the country and the people. If its all true, not only will Obama not win, but it will be a very long time before people have faith in black elected officials. This shit is going to get UGLY
I agree soldier4hillary… Its going to get ugly no matter who gets elected. The cheap and tawdry, illegal methods obama is using WILL come out. Republicans won;t take this lightly. The double standards will not hold. Sad thing is that IF this clown gets in, we are stuck with him and all his do-nothing, socialist, weak on defense ideas! He has undone women’s rights and civil rights 40 years!
The thing is, if they would of allowed Obama to be vetted this would of been known and he wouldnt be the nominee or maybe he would of been but polling worse…we dont know. But if the Republicans bring this forward and its true, I honestly dont see how people will be able to trust the judgement of the democratic party if they were willing to hide this. Do they have any idea how big this is? People were mad about Edwards and his wife knowing about his affair but still ran for president. I met some of his supporters who stated they felt betrayed because they gave donations to put him in the White House when he knew it would not of happened.
This is going to destroy the chances of Dems up and down the ballot. And if they prove the higher up dems knew? Yes, its going to be very ugly. When you have someone like Ayers, a domestic terriorist, associated with a candidate, holding a fundraiser for a senators campaign who is now a possible president. When we are overseas fighting terriorists who have no problem planting IEDs and shooting Mortars, losing lives because of people like Ayers? There will be no way for the Democratic party to salvage this. We deserve better.
It really is shameful that this election process has been going on for almost 2 years…and the MSM has had the same amount of time for investigative journalism and purposefully chose to turn a blind eye. For the most part, they are mindless parrots who cannot be bothered to do their own research.
There are only 50 influential journalists/broadcasters/Obama pillow fluffers in the country. There are millions of American patriots – WE CAN TAKE ‘EM.
You betcha we can. Most people that I know have tuned the MSM out. You can get weather and headline news from the web!
Larry, my understanding is that Ayers was not convicted of any crimes. Is that correct?
So what’s the big deal?
The big deal is that Ayers has ADMITTED what he was accused of. The FBI had to let him off on a technicallity…. (oj simpson wasn’t ‘convicted’ either… but that mean he is innocent.
Go back to school. Maybe you can find your brain
that should read that it doesn;t mean he is innocent
Ayers upon his release said he was “Guilty as sin and free as a bird.” And something to the effect of “Ain’t America grand?”
His rich dad pulled strings.
Well OJ found guily on all 5 accounts.
karma bites. lets hope we don’t have to wait 13 years and 13 hours for Obama to get his…….The corruption, the lies, the cheating, the associations, the foreign donations, the BC and on and on and on!
The piece on BO’s relationship with Weatherman Bill Ayres was clearly meant to diffuse the coming onslaught from the Republicans on BO’s “friendships” with questionable characters. This piece by Times reporter Scott Shane should embarrass every teacher the guy ever had. Though he gives clues as to where to find the answer to the true relationship of Ayres and BO, he goes down none of the ratholes, and therefore diffuses the actual relationship of the two men, one a murderer and the other the soon to be, omg, president of the United States. Recently, John McCain threw Times Diva Maureen Dowd off the campaign plane (actually stranded her in Pittsburgh ha ha) because of the unfair and imbalanced reporting by the nation’s use-to-be must read and specifically that of Dowd. What a joke.
Halli Casser-Jayne
http://www.thecjpoliticalreport.com
PAL3, I was telling the same thing,but nobody is willing to listen.My deepest respect to those from – noquarter, for standing for the truth and loving this Country. Obama is not a black and white issue. His charater, who he really is? is the biggest issue,why he can’t and the American people should never allow him to became, President of the USA. He would bring the darkest period for this country, that anybody ever saw and lived .
“He would bring the darkest period for this country”
Mrs. Freud, you slip is showing.
“The New York Times actually tries to help Senator Obama cover up his lies about Ayers”
Still across the pond? This has been running for a couple days.
They know McCain has to go negative in a big way.
It is classic inoculation.
but it wont work, kid.
The truth works. McCain hasthe truth on Obama, therefore he is obliged to reveal it. Its not a tea-party.
What’s the worse that could happen; Obama going back to his Senate seat or retiring in abject disgrace. I’m loving it.
Bill the bomber Ayers got off on a technicalitie.
BUT, his wife Dorhn did not and was once on the FBI’s most wanted list. Ayers also admitted to what he has done and said he did not regret and wished he bombed more.
The man killed poeple and bombed homes with innocent children in them. Bombed the capitol. Bombed the Police HQ’s in NY injuring police officers.
These 2 weatherunderground clowns are friends of obama and his wife worked with dorhn. Ayers set the education agenda of radicalizing chicago schools and obama pushed for it and funded it through Annenburg and the woods fund.
They worked together and for each other. It is not tangential. Just like Rezco,Wright, Farrakhan, and Phleger are not minor relationships.
THey shaped who obama is and what he worked for in local and federal government.
How do you address the fact that Ayres has for years been employed by the state of Illinois as a professor to “exchange ideas” with many people as the centerpiece of his job? Remember, he has been a public employee for years, salary paid in part by taxpayers, publishing scores of academic articles and books and participating in numerous conferences, seminars and discussions?
In other words, he hasn’t exactly been hiding out in a cave somewhere — he’s been employed by the state of illinois specifically because of the university’s view of the value of his scholarship.
That’s why this issue has no legs and McCain needs to find other things to concertrate on that are relevant to the pressing issues of today, not to the tumult of a previous generation.
yeah, keep telling yourself that. lol
Why not reply to my question — how can a powerful argument be constructed that associating with Ayres disqualifies one for public office when he is in fact a public employee, by virtue of his long-standing job at the U of I? And that “exchanging ideas” with him disqualifies someone from office when Ayres’ job as a professor IS to exchange ideas?
if McCain wants to win on this issue, he’ll need to construct a case that isn’t easily countered — that means he and his supporters need to think this through!
I will answer it. If Obama wanted to work for the FBI or the Secret Service, he would be rejected based on his radical associations. Period. Having a long-term collaborative relationship with a domestic terrorist would eliminate him from consideration. So why is he eligible for CIC, which obviously includes the highest level of security clearance?
Can you provide
1. Sources for your statements about security clearances (i.e., something directly from teh FBI)
2. Definition of “long-term collaborative relationship”
I can assume that all of Ayer’s colleagues and his state of Illinois employers, and people like mayor Daley are also forbidden from “security clearances” as well, because they have associated with Ayers?
My point is that McCain needs to find a stronger issue to promote — this one doesn’t resonate with voters — they are far more worried about being attaked by Al Qaeda than by the Weather Undergroud
His wealth and family influence protected him. If he had been a nobody he’d probably be in prison.
Hey, bss, all your comments sound like a lot of “BS” to me.
You wish he has no legs! You think OJ Simpson is innocent of murder. A bias jury thought so but doesn’t mean that he was innocent, it means that the inept LA prosecutors didn’t prove the case.
Obama’s nefarious associations are going prime time for the world to see. Actually I find it interesting that McCain waited this long to unload. But, he is a MAVERICK.
What was he doing outside of his job or with the cover of being a reformed citizen? But oh yes, he never said he was reformed did he. In fact, he said he didn’t do enough to hit back at big bad America all the while enjoying his family’s money to avoid prosecution. You better believe he has been doing tons of things behind the scene that are still in his old agenda and he rounded up good old Barack to help. Now he has helped manuever his puppet into a place where he will accomplish what he started out to do—bring down the American way of life. He isn’t alone either. There are numerous terrorists marching right along with him. We should all be very afraid of this man.
But if we’re going to base campaigns on “guilt by association,” what’s the best way for mccain to address his relationship with Charles Keating and McCain’s subsequent censure by the senate?
same old, same old. lol. how dumb can a person be?
YAAAAAWNNNN…..
Already been looked at and dismissed. Wasn’t a lifelong relationship like OB’s wonderful list of the most wanted. McCain was exonerated and admitted he made a mistake to be associated with the whole incident. Never heard that apology come out of Ob’s mouth about all his low-life, and criminal associates.
Why is it dumb? It’s a legimiate question — what do you feel is the best response to the inevitable resurrection of the Keating scandal, if he brings up “guilt by association” stuff and esp. in light of the current economic crisis? His peers in the Senate actually censured him!
If you’ve read the article above, and still dont understand, you’re an obot and never will understand. for you, its “guilt by association”. and thats it. but it goes much deeper than that. but ofcourse you dont take the time and energy to educate yourself. so we wont waste time either.
You are comparing apples to oranges. Have you read about McCain’s role in the “Keating 5″? Don’t you wonder why an unrepentant terrorist who would no doubt be serving a life sentence if not for the powerful Ayers family name has been so generous over the years with his support and mentorship of Barack Obama? He made Obama, fresh out of law school, the Chairman of a multimillion dollar trust, the Annenberg Challenge. This is just one example. You don’t give a greenhorn that kind of plumb job if you barely know them.
That’s “plum” job. Can we get an Edit feature, please? : )
Yep and why doesn’t Obama shout from the rooftops that he has management experience ala the Annenburg trust? Guess he doen’t want anyone looking too closely at that now does he. Did Kurtz ever finish going through all that? Haven’t heard mush about it since he took the papers over.
Sorry Annenburg challenge.
We all know that NYT’s is dropping the ball and that there was much more to the Obama/Ayer’s relationship, such as the funneling of funding by Chairman Obama to Ayer’s-controlled projects, and how about Obama’s praise for Ayer’s book, and more.
The real question the McCain campaign should ask is this: why would any voter trust a man as CIC who routinely is found to have falsely downplayed his true relationships with people like Ayers and Rev. Wright? Ayers was not “just a guy in my neighborhood” and Rezko was hardly some guy Obama “just did a few hours of legal work for,” and, in fact, Obama had to keep revising upward the amounts of money he received from Rezko, when he was repeatedly confronted with additional proof of higher campaign contributions.
Obama has a problem with the truth (there are hundreds of additional examples) and that is a huge issue for this voter.
Voters want to talk about the issues that affect their lives, not some bullshit guilt-by-association distraction. I dare the McCain campaign to try and make this their focus, because that just allows Obama to continue to pound home his message of economic change.
Economic change! LOL. Based on WHAT? The only reason he benefits from the economic crisis is because he lies through his teeth every day and the fallen media does not call him or the complicit Democrats on ANY of it. He was “pushing for regulations” he has been claiming, and Biden reiterated this during the debate. SHOW US THE PROOF. What did he do–where is the legislation. NOWHERE. More empty talk, taking credit for things he never did. Meanwhile, McCain actually DID push for regulation, and he is being blamed BY ASSOCIATION for this mess. What a bunch of crap. The only way this guy has gotten this far is through lies and manipulation. It’s a very sad statement on the ignorance and gullibility of the American public. First Bush, now Obama. No wonder this country is going down the tubes.
Every day McCain spends talking about things like the Weather Undergound in the 1960s is a day he’s closer to losing this thing. He needs to focus on the issues that are top-of-mind to voters in 2008.
Hey clown~!!! You don;t think the voters lives are affected by a socialist, self-serving idiot??!! Are you THAT ignorant???! How old are you?! 5????
Economic change? Blogga please! Wall Street OWNS the bony ass of your Plastic Jesus!
Ignore Them
I read this contemptible article @ nyt last nite. It goes beyond just being a fluff piece for obarky–it’s actually a pack of lies. The nyt has devolved from a once respected bastion of journalism to a hack propaganda machine.
Campaign Trail Update:
Palin in Colorado:
Sarah Palin, using some of her strongest language to date to question the character of the Democratic presidential nominee, accused Barack Obama of “palling around with terrorists” Saturday at a closed fundraiser in Colorado.
She was referencing a front-page story in The New York Times that examined Obama’s ties to Bill Ayers, a founder of the 1960s radical group The Weather Underground.
“Our opponent, though, is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect — imperfect enough that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country,” Palin said.
“Americans need to know this. …I think, okay we gotta get the word out. This is in fairness to the electorate we gotta start telling people what the other side represents.”
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YES! YES! YES! Spread the word on this! So glad to see Sarah Palin hitting the target on this. She nailed it!
The mainstream media needs to start doing their jobs instead of acting like cheerleaders for Obama!!
The media has become the cover-up squad for Barry.
The American people need to know about Obama’s relationships with known terrorists. Hit him and hit him hard! Time to take the gloves off! The media sure as hell won’t.
Obama’s past is a huge weakness and needs to be exposed. Keep hitting him every single day and he will fall.
McCain will nail Obama in the debate with this. Can’t wait to see Obama squirming in front of millions at the debate!
Goe get him McCain and knck him out!!
You know what, if anyone could do it, Sarah could and should! Perfect.
I bet the MSM ignores it. Hopefully Tom Brokaw will have the guts and journalistic integrity to bring it up at the debates.
McCain must bring this up on Tuesday, with dates and details. Screw Brokaw, he doesn’t have the grapes to offend booboo. I know about it you know about it, but the voters need to know about it, this decades long relationship. Hell, bring a picture of them together and then the one of billy standing on our flag. Tell America about it.
Get ‘em Sarah! Expose them all! Now we have to see what nonsense obarky comes out with about this… He’s had it now.
What do you think is the appropriate punishment for Ayre’s employers and colleagues at the U of I, and for the publishers of the academic journals that have published his academic papers? Will you be writing to their bosses to demand their firing? Why wouldn’t you, if they’re providing the livelihood of a terrorist?
Politics is a war.
McCain knows how to win a war.
McCain has so much ammo to use against Obama.
It is just now starting to be unleashed.
Remind me again: What was has McCain been involved with that ended in victory? Because as I recall “victory” is no what happened for the U.S. in vietnam.
bss YOU are an idiot! Were YOU in Vietnam??? NO?? I thought not. But guess what? ALOT of other people were. And pieces of them still are there. You really should think before you speak. You sound like a fool.
So the collective agreement is that the U.S. won the vietnam war, that’s that’s what you’re saying?
let me know when you can discuss something with any sense… I won;t waste my breath on narrowminded, inexperienced fools like you bss…
….here’s a clue… it’s not about “winning” anything and Vietnam isn;t the issue.
Sorry I guess I misread IronMan above when he wrote:
“Politics is a war.
McCain knows how to win a war.”
please be back after the GE. you will see a victory for McCain, and not even believe it. I have seen it many many times. dems always are sure to win. and the repubs take it away at the last moment. except for bill clinton, many sure to win dems have lost. obama reminds me of the same.
Too true. No one knows how to snatch defeat out of the hands of victory like the Democrats.
He survived…..He lived to fight another day! Under those conditions that was a victory.
You are sick to even bring that up in this way. Those troops fought long and hard and courageously in Vietnam as they do in any defense for the country. Shut up about that crap that because we didn’t win he should be any less honored. You jerk why don’t you join up and maybe you’ll get some b***s. Or maybe not considering you think like a traitor and coward.
Yeah, only a traitor would dare say that the US didn’t win the Vietnam War. Because I guess to say that means you “don’t support the troops” or some such. Please.
And to clarify: I didn’t say anything about McCain or anyone’s honor. I was responding to IronMman’s comment that McCain “knows how to win a war” and asking him what war McCain has been involved in that ended in US victory.
Chris, don’t suggest that! Our armed forces are better off without questionable characters like bss.
Larry and everyone- Go over to The Corner at NRO and check out the posts today by Stanley Kurtz (he cites Steve Diamond) and Andy McCarthy about the NYT article
http://corner.nationalreview.com
THEN- check this out- SARAH is raising hell about Ayers- ‘This is not a man who sees America as you see America and as I see America’…
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93JSBFO0&show_article=1
The NYT is completely in the tank for Obama. They write this article to mention Ayers and to make the whole thing as innocuous as possible. Muddy the waters, divert attention elsewhere. The NYT has no credibility. I am glad to hear that they are having financial difficulties. I hope they go down.
lol Ayers again, huh? gotta love republicans, they’re all about the real issues. of course you know this WILL backfire. maybe you haven’t noticed, but this is old news. most Obama supporters either already know about Ayers, or don’t care. as far as i know, Weather Underground didn’t ruin the economy, in fact, the weather underground was born from 60’s radicalism caused by… you guessed it! Republicans
Goes to character and judgement two important ingredients in the making of a qualified president. And most average American voters do not know the extent of the relationship of these two men and others that have influenced Obama’s whole life. Be real troll, there are a lot of issues besides the economy that affect the campaign. You just wish this would all be ignored because it is so damaging to the anointed one. We shall see how much this hurts him in the long run.
Chris: considering that Ayers has been an U of I professor in good standing for many years, interacting and sharing ideas with scores of people in academic and policy circles, do you think EVERY person who has crossed paths with him has unacceptable charcter? What about the administration of the U of I — I assume they should be removed from their jobs ?
McCain needs to find a DIFFERENT ISSUE –trying to make this electiom into a referendum on Ayers and the Weather Underground will not be a successful tactic. It will not resonate with voters.
It’s the economy stupid. The Republican party has ruined America worse than any terrorist has. That’s reality, not those flimsy associations you keep whining about. McCain comes up with a real plan to fix the economy he can win. Otherwise the scorched earth tactics that he will try to employ will destroy his campaign.
Listen up v1cious- it’s not working.
You’ve lied, threated and intimidated your way into power.
We have watched it happen, we’re watching the next stage right now in Ohio.
Tell them back at headquarters- we’re on to you and your tactics.
I got to see Sarah Palin today at a rally in Carson California today! She mentioned this article in the NYT today and talked a little about the terrorist Ayers! I had my faded Hillary sign with McCain/Palin 08 and Country First taped on the front. I got some attention and even an interview! I hope I represented PUMAS well!
PS…to the commenter above me….I met many others there who were Democrats voting McCain, they didn’t identify themselves as PUMAS, probably don’t blog…..but they’re out there….and they vote!
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“The New York Times does concede that Obama has not been accurate about his relationship with Ayers.”
A shorter way of saying this would be:
“”The New York Times does concede that Obama lied about his relationship with Ayers.”