Education Does Not Make a Leader
By Katmandu2 on October 5, 2008 at 9:00 AM in Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, Education, George Bush, Jimmy Carter, John McCain, Legislative Achievements, Patriotism, Qualifications
A recent e-mail making the rounds suggests that Barack Obama’s superior education and intelligence mandates his choice as president over John McCain.
There are many things wrongs with using a single category as a decisional tool for a job so complicated as the presidency. Surely one’s experience, character, judgment displayed in the past, leadership qualities, legislative accomplishment, patriotism, etc., should be considered.
Paper accomplishment has its limits. After all, Ted Kaczynski attended Harvard and earned a Ph.D. in mathematics from Michigan – but he was a destructive individual. Bill Gates, famous as an innovator and now a humanitarian, was in college only briefly. And many of us have had college professors who we would not entrust with picking up our newspaper from the driveway while we were away on vacation.
But let’s look anyway at the single variable of educational pedigree as a predictor of presidential performance. (Aside: McCain’s defenders may point out that McCain’s father and grandfather made four star admiral, though they were very poor Naval Academy students.)
Who were the great presidents and who were the failures? Numerous polls of historians show a fair consensus, with some large deviations for recent presidents, as might be expected. I chose the most recent polls listed at Wikipedia’s Historical Rankings of U.S. Presidents, which have the advantage of the most coverage, but I looked at other listed polls when recent polls showed wide variation. I am not making a statistical comparison; changing standards of education over time make that a questionable task (as education has become more formalized over time). And to keep this at readable length, I have omitted many qualifications on my analysis. So here goes –
Among the top ten presidents, Lincoln’s formal education consisted of about 18 months of schooling; he was largely self-educated. Washington may have attended a school near his home for the first few years. He was not taught Latin or Greek, as was common among the “educated” of the time, and never learned a foreign language. Nor did he attend college (Harvard, WM. & Mary, Yale and Princeton were available). His formal education ended around the age of 15.
Getting to the modern era, where paper degrees supposedly are a surrogate for intelligence, Truman (whose standing has risen to #7 in the polls) did not earn a college degree. Reagan (whose ranking, controversially, varies from 6 to 16) graduated from an institution of little note — Eureka College.
Eisenhower, now consistently ranked in the top ten, finished in the upper half of his class at the Military Academy, but was routinely criticized during the 1950’s as being not intellectual or well read.
On the other hand, the two Roosevelts, members of the highest echelons of America’s upper class, were very well educated. Wilson was perhaps the best educated president, and often ranks in the top ten, but his star is diminishing as historians place his imperialist foreign policy, his racism (he reinstituted segregation into the federal government) and sexism (he tried to have a leading suffragette committed to an insane asylum, and countenanced the brutal beating and prison torture of suffragette demonstrators), and his odious personal beliefs (e.g., he was a eugenicist) into modern perspective. Grover Cleveland, whose rankings vary from 8th to 20th, did not attend college.
Middling presidents (those ranking in the 20’s) include Hayes, who was first in his class at Kenyon College and who completed Harvard Law in two years. He is right now our only Harvard Law School graduate.
Bill Clinton (underrated in the polls, IMHO) went to Georgetown’s elite Foreign Service School, where he was Phi Beta Kappa. He studied at Oxford under a Rhodes Scholarship, and graduated from Yale Law School.
Taft (20th) graduated second from his Yale class, then got a law degree from Cincinnati. John Q. Adams (25th) went to Harvard. So, the middle of the pack has a number of well educated persons. (The famously well-read and educated John Kennedy with time has seen his rankings drop, to between 14 and 18.)
Now the fun part — the bottom of the rankings, and bowing to current popular opinion, let us start off by noting that though a mediocre student, George W. Bush attended Phillips Academy, Yale University, and has an MBA from Harvard. A perennial in the loser category, James Buchanan (ranked 40th), graduated from Dickinson College with honors, then studied law. Franklin Pierce (38th) finished third in his class at Bowdoin, then attended an unnamed law school.
Andrew Johnson (37th) was self-taught, a point for the degree=excellence school, but John Tyler (35th) graduated from the prestigious Wm. & Mary, then read for the law.
Jimmy Carter (34th) attended Georgia Tech before receiving an appointment to the United States Naval Academy where he received a physics degree in 1946. Carter finished a high 59th out of his Academy class of 820. Richard Nixon (32nd) was a Duke Law School graduate.
Hoover (31st) had a geology degree from Stanford, later becoming a mining engineer. Gerald Ford (28th) had a University of Michigan degree in political science and economics; at Yale Law he graduated in the top 25 percent of his class.
Again, this is a simplified analysis, but the proposition that academic achievement equates with expected presidential performance is so demonstrably false that a more rigorous analysis is unnecessary.
As Mark Twain said – “Never let formal education get in the way of your learning.”
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George W. Bush has degrees from Harvard and Yale. Worst president ever.
Amen to that!
For such “elite” schools, they certainly confer degrees on a lot of bozos.
LOL well, “legacy” placements like Bush are falling out of favor, being replaced with diverse admissions that “decorate” the campus. Until of course the endowment revenue falls or they need new buildings- then the George W’s of the world are back in and on top!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
ASSOCIATED PRESS
(NO LONGER A NEWS SOURCE)ACCUSES PALIN OF BEING RACIST!!THE RACE CARD COMETH AS SOON AS THE REPUBLICANS MENTION AYERS!!!
Objective Journalism…stick a fork in it its done.
This jackass writer needs to have his email printed, and receive a lot of mail. Right away.
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Below is a link to the remarks made yesterday by Sarah Palin which connected Barack Obama with Obama’s longtime friend and mentor Bill Ayers. Ayers is an unrepentant domestic terrorist who was involved with the seditionist Weather Underground organization that bombed both the Pentagon and the US Capitol.
What makes my version of this footage both a must-see and a very valuable resource going forward is that I have inserted 5 video link annotations into the production itself and I have put 19 links into the video description section. These links provide comprehensive, detailed visual and written evidence of the longstanding and intimate relationship between Senator Obama and radical anti-American Bill Ayers.
Please take a look at the video when you get the chance. Favorite it and email it to those that you know so in the days to come all will have a one-stop location to answer the lies and half-truths coming out of the Obama campaign and its media arms as they try to innoculate Obama against his dangerous, extremist associates. These long-term mentors and friends of the Illinois pol expose Obama’s stunning lack of judgment, his willingness to become close with those who hate our great republic and Obama’s own nearly-unfathomable radicalism.
Amidst two wars and the constant threat of a second 9/11, America’s electorate deserves to know exactly what Barack Obama and his dangerous associates are all about as it prepares to vote in one of the most important elections in our country’s history.
Thank you, and here is the link to the video:
“Sarah Palin hits Obama for palling around with terrorists”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQmnRrdeXXA
The ratings are disabled on the video Paul. Can someone get that AP writer’s email and post it?
The ratings are disabled to thwart Axelrod’s stooges. I do that on all my videos, same with making comments so I have to approve them.
We do need to get this guy’s email/phone number and hit him very hard with the outrage his stupid piece should elicit.
OMG! We are back to that? Every time Barky’s camp hears a critique of his judgement and character it’s racist? I say ” Bring it on losers” Nothing turned off middle America more than the whining, guilt-tripping, false cries of racism. (But please NYT- spare me from another editorial about hidden symbols of a black penis in McCain ads.)
One of the NQ Writers need to get a story up on this NOW!!! THis is how they are going to try to silence the McCain campaign and Smear Palin now that Calling her a stupid redneck mooseshooter doesnt work anymore.
And you think Obama has intelligence. Would he allow such crap out there if he wasn’t just a little stupid.
Yes, I believe that would be called ‘distraction’.
Recently I’ve heard the pundits call BHO “bi-racial”….
Hmmmm….Just to put my 2 cents in on legacies…endowments offer $$ for Merit Scholarships…and as the beneficiary of these I a Poor workingclass community college student was able to complete my degee at a small private university…and an IVY LEAGUE Penn/89…So I say let the legacies continue at the IVY LEAGUES
it’s only a small % anyway…and it helps folks like me and my kid ( a workingclass merit scholarship student in Philly )
Great point. The big elite schools always have allowed legacies in, and some of those are bozos. And somehow they manage to get passing grades!
It is hard to flunk out of an elite school. I went to one — well, top 25 anyway — and it was almost impossible to fail a course. That doesn’t happen at some state schools of which I’m aware.
Hmmm…I went to Penn…and folks flunked out…Rich Folks…Of course this was Grad School…
It is hard to flunk out of an elite school. I went to one — well, top 25 anyway — and it was almost impossible to fail a course.
Ronald Reagan who dealt with world leaders during the cold war had a Associates Degree and no one would dare say today he was unqualified. Life experience and WHAT YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE GOES A LONG WAY.
Palin has a four year degree and life experience and accomplishments. She has a ‘I have and I will’…a difference that many side step.
The more Obama Camp points out his ‘Harvard’ status, the more they lose support because not everyone in this great nation has been so blessed to attend Harvard or Yale. I say thank your lucky stars for all your blessings and don’t throw it in the face of the average American that is struggling and has their children in public school like Palin’s children.
For someone who went to Harvard, Obama is awfully ignorant about Civics 101.
Canada has a “president”? Really.
That’s not misspeaking, that’s ignorance.
On the spot!
I love this…Barky will have to show Records…published articles…syllabi…
If Barky claims this I say what the folks in MO are famous for SHOW ME!
HAVE TO SAY I LOVE IT WHEN SNOBS GET THEIR ASS HANDED TO EM’
Yes- let’s expose Oblahblah’s records of unmerited placement to elite schools! That will go over well with middle America who struggle to find the money go to state collegees and universities. Who are getting ripped off blind by lenders doing business with Sallie Mae, while he and Michelle got handed unearned scholarships from big endowments funds.
In collectivism you appropriate the collective. Obama is Harvard. The whole enchilada.
C-SPAN BAILOUT live..
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/c-span-bailout/727521/
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This is a must see…with a Soros (Obama supporter)
VP Debate Open: Palin / Biden
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/vp-debate-open-palin-biden/727421/
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They are still making her out to be silly with no accomplishments.
Who knows if Oblowme actually went to Columbia. The mystery history candidate, who nobody remembers…
WHAT IS HE HIDING?!
when he was at Columbia, he was hanging out 4 blocks away with Bill Ayers, who was in NYC getting his education degree
I don’t doubt this is true. Some suggest they first met back in the 1980s. Do you happen to have any info on Ayers and Obama at Columbia? That’d be great to see.
read my article on the trojan candidate. plenty of sources there. He met Ayers sometime between 1981 and 1984. I also beleive he actually met ayers shortly after he was out of high school in California at his first speech–occidental–for the SDS.
Ayers has groomed him, along with others, for this very moment.
Dr. Kate…that was a great article…Enjoy our writing
Not so much hidding as he is taking ‘advantage’ of the system of education we have been building since….. since the Annenberg and Ayers methods started to influence education. One for all and all for one. Obama is Columbia and Columbia is Obama. No need to show individual accomplishments.
Obama always takes what belongs to others.
If I was McCain and Palin, I would play up the fact that neither of them are LAWYERS.
Yes, this is rather unique in recent decades. Two non-lawyers. A very good selling point.
Love he fact that the lawyers the DNC & Barky have hired to defend against the BERG FEDRAL LAWSUIT ARE LAWYERS FOR TERRORISTS…
MUNDIS VULT DECIPI
The World Wants To Be Decieved
Hopefully, they will say, “Neither of us is a lawyer.”
jbjd and Matthew,
I do not think it is a good idea because it is unfair to stereotype lawyers in a negative way. There are about a million lawyers in this country and many of them are good. McCain and Palin certainly do not want to lose their votes by insulting them.
Kathleen Parker is wrong in her Palin assessment of Palin.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=#more
She said this morning that Palin made people feel that she was one of them. Well, hello…most of us have our children in public school, most of us didn’t go to IVY league universities and most Americans don’t have six figure salaries. Biden speaks of being patriotic and paying more taxes but yet Palin gave more to charity in one year than he did in close to ten years (lead by example I say). Yup, she is more like us than the lawyers.
Did anyone catch the biased media reports on the value of Todd Palin’s pension and 401K from BP and the Steelworker’s Union? Now gosh darnit, Everyone of us lucky enough to have retirement funds see the value dropping before our eyes, yet they are trying to make them out to be the next Rockfellers of Alaska! Sarah knows from experience that the difference for most American families between falling thru the cracks and thriving is a decent job with benefits and energy independence is the way to get us there. You betcha, drilling, natual gas, factories building windmills and solar panels, construction jobs building pipelines and transmission lines, converting gas stations.
LOL, yep, time to bring in some lawyer jokes. We got a lawyer married to another scowling lawyer running against a Senator married to beer heiress. The choice is obvious to me. I’d rather eat beer and moose burgers then bullsh&t.
yttik,
It is very childish. There are about a million lawyers in this country and many of them are good citizens and have big influence in their communities. It will be foolish to attack them.
Remember that old joke about the guy who hires the kid who just graduated from college and starts him out sweeping floors? The kid protests, “but I have a college degree!” So the employer says, “oh great, now I guess I have to teach you how to use a broom.”
It’s true, there really is no education that can replace common sense or teach you practical skills. Education is only a tool, some people can have a whole shed full of tools, but that doesn’t mean they know how to use any of them.
Yes, Obama had his fancy education and law degree, got hired by Ayers shortly thereafter, then spent around $160 million on failed projects. Great resume and use of that education.
I think Obama’s degrees came off the internet. Every day when I get to work I have tons of emails where I can order the degree of my choice for $9.95.
Another little connection that needs to be expanded:
The Ayers’ lawyers were/are Sidley Austin in Chicago, the firm that gave BO a summer job while still in law school, the managing partner of which at that time was Saul Minow, one of whose children was teaching antiracism etc. at HLS at that time. It could be that BO got into HLS and then into law followed by politics by just getting wrapped up in a well-funded little caccoon set up by Ayers and their connections. Don’t forget, that was also the firm that had Ayers wife working there even though with her record she could not be admitted formally to the bar. A very tight set of connections.
I think its deeper and creepier than we can imagine. Bet it was the Ayers husband and wife links to the Black Panthers when they were in New York bilking rich white folks for swank baby clothes and then passing the money on to the Black Panthers for bombs. Who solicited funds for Obama’s education?
Obama, Harvard?
Affirmative Action.
Affirmative Action.
Affirmative Action.
yittk,
You are spot on. We have an acquaintance (couple) who are both doctors and when their children came of working age (16) they sent them over to us. The first one started at the bottom and worked hard, we have a photo of him where he messed up and got all dirty (head to toe). Over the next two years the last one came through and he too wanted to do a good job over the summer and learned many skills (people skills) and they both earned a little over minimum wage and both thank us for the experience. Both young men loved coming to work and spending time with all the workers and were ever so respectful.
Now here is the kicker…these two attended prep schools in the East Coast that have a sticker price (shocking…) of IVY league tuition and yes the first one is now at Harvard and the other one is over seas.
My point is, that folks that have come from humble beginnings always want their children to learn A HARD DAYS WORK so that they can know and count their blessings.
Anybody else wonder about the timing of this financial crisis?
It seems strange that the biggest crisis since the depression would
come just a few weeks before the election.
YOU BETCHA!
C-SPAN BAILOUT live..
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/c-span-bailout/727521/
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Yes, that is why I posted the Saturday night link. Watch the end where Soros comes in…the timing is just too weird.
Oblockhead should ask for our hard-earned money back as he certainly does not appear to be all that educated to me.
He used statistics the way a drunkard uses lampposts - for support, not illumination.
LMAO.
Common sense = keeping a little bit for yourself. Never tell people in school or business everything. They go off and rise from your knowledge.
Obama will fall from the knowledge he received from Ayers and his off shoot educators..
Too many blank slates along the way…
Who gets a job these days will a missing link?
We need to make sure the team with experience gets the top job in the USA!
McCain Palin 08
Oblahblah was basically “city shopping” while he was in school. First he goes to Los Angeles, transfers to New York. Then off to Boston. But he- the aspiring pol- chooses CHICAGO to settle down in? In the corrupt dirty Chicago machine he finds a community? That speaks volumes to me.
Yeah, Chicago snapped him right up. Exactly what this country does NOT need: a Chicago lawyer with a crap resume who’s in bed with thugs.
Perhaps one should analyze how one parlayed their degree after graduation. Obama with a Harvard Law degree never won a landmark case, and he never became a partner in a law firm. He also never spearheaded a philanthropic legal organization for the indigent and the poor. Because his performance as attorney has been lackluster at best, I regard him as an underachiever who is arrogant and complacent.
I actually have a better record as a lawyer than Obama. Before I retired, I won some big cases, and one of my cases was upheld by the Supreme Court.
I’m not sure Obama really practiced law.
In Barry’s case the degrees probably did help him to inject himself into dirty Chicago politics, but in spite of the elite education he has done an abysmal job for the city of Chicago and the state of Illinois. I have only heard of his voting record, which is important, but no one is doing in-depth reporting of how Chicago is doing these days, esp the South Side.
Compare his record to Governor Palin’s re accomplishments and community.
Mark Twain is rolling in his grave.
And Palin does this in HIGH HEELS.
Riverdaughter had a photo of Palin standing behind the podium in high heels. Guys should just try to walk in the dumb things. Some women really like high heels — I’m don’t.
And thanks for this article — I’ve gotten the email comparing the resumes of the candidates — focusing on their college degrees. Even GPA has very little to do with what an individual will accomplish in life.
Obama and Biden are two lawyers that tell lies.
America doesn’t need those two running the White House. Send them back to the US Senate and put the two mavericks in the White House for the next four years.
Country First!
McCain-Palin ‘08
Hillary ‘12
Every American paying attention knows that Fannie and Freddie contributed significantly to our economic problem. All you have to do is play the videos quoting Republicans worrying about Fannie and Freddie, as contrasted with the quotes from Democrats claiming there was no crisis.
If the democrats and Obama couldn’t see this crisis coming, how are they going to see an Al Qaeda attack coming?
Harp…I think that’s exactly what McCain will use in his leadership emphasis…He wil steer the topic back to Leadership and working together as a positive while Palin talks about how much Barky & his pals hate America…It will get under the skin of voters…
I don’t even understand how this is an issue any longer. This week I attended two functions for McCain and Palin. The difference between the two sides is remarkable. The McCains and Palins embody what AMERICA is. Service to your country, love of America, fighting for the PEOPLE, etc. It couldn’t be more clear who the real LEADERS are. I haven’t watched Ohblowme speak in months. When he opens his mouth, he lies. It’s that simple. There is nothing about Ohblowme, IMO, that is American. He hates this country, tells us that he does almost daily, hates the Flag, talks about what a POS America is, etc. He wants to take OUR WEALTH (what is left) and send it to Africa. WTF? And his wife couldn’t be more clear about her hatred of this country. Biden looks like an old pedophile and the sight of him checking out Palin’s azz last week was reprehensible. He’s an old, tired backroom DC politician with nothing fresh, new or honest either. Plus, I don’t know how he can ever get anything done while chomping on this FOOT that never leaves his MOUTH. Is there really any choice? Who ARE these idiots voting for Obama? I guess it’s the dead folks, prisoners, homeless and college kids. Way to aim high Ohblowme! Harvard? It didn’t do Ohblowme much good. There are no records of ANYTHING he did there, none of his Harvard Review articles, nothing. No grades, nothing. Probably because he went to class and said “present” every day. I’ll take experience over a wall full of useless degrees, especially degrees that were bought and paid for by scary Arabs.
Obama is a self styled cult leader — and that’s why seemingly intelligent people have fallen for him. I’ve lost a lot of friends thanks to Barry Soetoro/Obama. I could see right away that he was using cult techniques to get his followers. Some brilliant people have made a movie of the similarities of the Obama movement, Jim Jones (Jones Town Kool-aid), and Hitler and the way they build a following and manipulate their followers.
Go to SUGAR’s blog and click on the YouTube video she has up.
http://sugarnspice.typepad.com/sugar_n_spicea_meeting_pl/
Obama Kool-aid movie — must watch.
Questions:
1. Did Khalid al-Mansour pay off officials at Harvard to push, the POS Obama, through its system of sewers? The sum would have to have been huge considering the size of this turd.
2. Has the Ivy League dropped its standards so low so as to accept dumb shits like Obama in the name of Affirmative Action? How low? A teentsy-weentsy bit, a lot, or a real, very lot? (No, there is no typo here).
3. Did Obama really attend Columbia?
4. Did Ayers, through his left-wing connections at Columbia, skew records the records there, or completely falsify them on behalf of his good friend Barf Obama?
5. Is there any way one can force these schools to provide the records or do they need permission from the Barf himself.
Just askin’.
State and federal government MUST have his college records but maybe they can’t release them. At least I hope they have them. Please don’t tell me that there is more vetting done on school teachers than there is to a potential potus.
The bottom line when you hire someone is you hope they have a education relevant to issues on the job and most of all can adapt and have the courage to assess, take and manage risk.
Sara Palin got the job as governor and saw corruption and did something about it and moved on to optimize her states revenue.
Barack Obqama took the job as subcommittee chair on European Affairs (very relevant to a president) and did not hold a meeting.
When you hire a person, you look for a person who did something with their education.
Sara Palin has a record of accomplishments despite being a woman.
Barack Oboma took the money and did not even show up for the job
Do you realize that when Sarah was on that oil Board where she discovered the corruption, reported it, and no one would do anything about it, she resigned from that Board. The position paid $130,000 a year.
I kinda feel like I can trust this woman and she is not going to lie to the American people. I am so sick of corruption and lies from the Washinton elite.
That shows character and follow through. She is not a self interest person, she has her principles intact and although I don’t agree with her on every thing…I can respect someone for that.
George Bush got into Yale and Harvard because he is a rich white boy. He got a C average while attending. Inspite of discrimination, Barack Obama was atop of the Harvard class and became president of the law review. No comparisons there. Everything Bush got, he got them for free, Obama had to work his way to the top.
Have you ever noticed how the trolls, free-dumb and Kelvin, always show up together?
Where are his transcripts, free-dumb? Stop playing the race card. There was no discrimination against Oblockhead.
Oblockhead has never worked a day in his life, troll. And judging from his campaign, he appears to be working his way to the bottom rapidly. He is scum.
Why don’t you take your uneducated arse back to DailyKrap?
Freedom Fighter, you must not be aware of the “extra help” that minorities typically receive in college. Historically white colleges and universities are desperate for minority students. If they have to give them a little push to make it, they are happy to do it. I have seen it, so I know it is true.
Ummm, Harvard’s undergraduate class consist of about 38% non-white students. Hardly desperate. Try again.
That’s because they push the minorities above all others, free-dumbass. You try again, you substandard non-IEEE Obamalobotobot.
And the population of whites in the US is??? And are you aware “freedom fighter” that Asian- Americans are routinely denied admission to Ivy league schools, despite having outstanding academic records and perfect placement test scores? Explain to me why.
It’s more than just test scores. Elite institutions like Harvard are preparing the future leaders of America. Asians may score well on tests, but that’s pretty much it. Asians don’t relate well to other people and they don’t make good leaders. How many leaders in America are Asians? Not very many.
I suppose they forgot to tell your master that. He is certainly no leader. To the contrary, he is a panderer and bloviator but not much else. You can’t sell on that junior Senator, Goob because he is unfit, unqualified, and dangerous. When you can get around those three, come back and talk at us some more.
What an ass.
Four more weeks and it’ll be President Obama.
I hope you’re wrong because we already had 8 years with a guy who was a horrible leader, our country deserves better, better than the “community organizer” thug you worship.
That’s what I’ve been saying all along…..OBAMA IS NOT A LEADER! Geez, education does NOT make a leader. Leadership skills can be honed but they usually are a character trait that can be seen as early as kindergarten!! You either got it, or you don’t….and Obama doesn’t have it. McCain, Palin, Bill and Hillary Clinton DO have it.
So it sounds like racism is ok as long as it’s not directed at Obama
who said that Jules???
The racist troll Freedom Fighter said what is in the block quote about Asians.
My sarcastic remark is after the quote.
Washington State had an Asian Governor and he did a damned fine job.
Hawaii has tons of Asians in leadership positions.
In Japan the nail that sticks out is banged down — anyone who acts differently is forced to conform. But even in Japan some individuals do manage to follow their own path.
Sex role stereotyping is wrong as is racial stereotyping. Not all blacks are like OJ Simpsons and not all women are like Nancy Pelosi.
Freedom fighter your racist comments don’t even rate a dignified response. Go Away.
That’s one of the most racist remarks today. BTW, China practically owns the US and they seem to be Asians, so there is no reason to think Asians are not leaders. Maybe Asians in America they don’t care as a group for politics, who knows, but your comment is offensive.
Wow, just wow. Let’s see we have established: Freedom Fighter is a racist, a sexist, an elitist, and I believe we have earlier posts from FF in which he favors eugenics (FF, it was you who complained that Trig Palin may have a child of his own someday, yes?).
I think we have a winner in the who’s a Nazi now sweepstakes! Whose ‘freedom’ are you fighting for anyways?
Sing with me Obot - Tomorrow belongs to ME!
FF, for representing a candidate who constantly pulls the race card, that has to be one of the most ignorant, racist, big-brush generalizations i have ever seen on this blog! Personally, i would have you banned for that comment, but that’s an administrator decision
I am not referring to Native Americans. Hispanics, Arabs, East Indians or Asians. I don’t know where you get your statistics. Have you actually ever been to the grounds of Harvard and seen the student body? You probably don’t get out of the basement much.
For the 2010 academic year Harvard has sent acceptance letters to:
51.8% females
9.8% Latinos
17.7% Asians
10.5% AA’s
FF, I get it now. You’re fighting AGAINST freedom, not for it. Clever in an insidious way.
Actually it seems to me they were both “let in” for reasons other than actual accomplishment. One more way Obama is like Bush I guess.
FF, can you provide the transcripts of Barack Obama’s grades as well as any examples of his published work when he was President of the Law Review?
Thanks in advance.
Education Does Not Make a Leader.
Educating does. Obama is a good educator and a good charismatic leader. But he is also a pathological liar. So that combination is DANGEROUS.
Obama is also educated and an educator of socialist concepts and causes. He is a collectivist peak performer. That is the trend in education now. That’s why people like him. But collectivism is unnatural. One grain of corn produces several thousand replicas. One fruit brings about thousands of trees. One flower breeds several hundred images. Socialism breeds death.
Obama also suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, the pathological lying is just one of the symptoms. He’s very dangerous for that reason alone.
I get it now, thanks. First come that then the other.
Comment by Freedom Fighter | 2008-10-05 09:52:51
George Bush got into Yale and Harvard because he is a rich white boy. He got a C average while attending. Inspite of discrimination, Barack Obama was atop of the Harvard class and became president of the law review. No comparisons there. Everything Bush got, he got them for free, Obama had to work his way to the top.
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Obama hasn’t worked for anything. Period. It’s all been handed to him and he’s done nothing with it. Other than put hate and stink on this country.
We have no evidence that Obama was the top of his Harvard law class—no evidence that I have seen.
According to wikipedia, Obama had excellent grades that qualified him to be president.
Hey Freedumb, did you just write this crap in wikipedia?….lol
oh FF…here’s a guy who was a genius in college let’s make him president!
In 1962, he graduated from Harvard, and subsequently attended the University of Michigan, earning a master’s degree and a Ph.D. in mathematics.[2] He began a research career at Michigan. One of his professors at Michigan, George Piranian, said of him, “It is not enough to say he was smart.”[6] He earned his Ph.D. by solving, in less than a year, a math problem that Piranian had been unable to solve. his specialty was a branch of complex analysis known as geometric function theory. “I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 people in the country understood or appreciated it,” said Maxwell O. Reade, a retired math professor who served on his dissertation committee.[7] In 1967, he won the University of Michigan’s $100 Sumner B. Myers Prize, which recognized his dissertation, “Boundary Functions”, as the school’s best in mathematics that year.[7] At Michigan, he held a National Science Foundation fellowship. While a graduate student at Michigan, he taught undergraduates for three years and published two articles related to his dissertation in mathematical journals. After he left Michigan, he published four more papers.[8]
Wow since he’s so well educated let’s make him president!!!
oh…too bad, he’s in prison…he’s Ted Kacynski….well maybe he’ll vote for Obama when Obama’s ACORN thugs slip him a voter registration.
And you believe what you read in wikipedia?! Please!!! If there was any site less credible it’d be… well, how about barackobama.com?
You guys cite wikipedia when it’s convenient, stop being a hypocrite.
I have never cited Wikipedia, lobotobot. Regulars here do not either. Yet another diversionary lie. Keep it up, troll. Every time you post, you weaken your master.
Certified transcripts? Didn’t think so. Everything about your master is fake.
That’s not what I read. I read that there were racial tensions at Harvard that year so that’s why he was ’selected’ to be editor of the Harvard Law Review. The worst they ever had too.
Funny also that he got a book deal based on this position, and wasn’t able to complete the book.
Show the transcripts, sweetie.
Show the published writing - oh, that’s right there IS none.
At least we KNOW Bush was a C student.
What’s he hiding?
Barack Obama - Harvard University
Michelle Obama - Princeton University
Sarah Palin - University of Idaho
Todd Palin - Wasilla High School
The Palins simply don’t have the IQ or pedigree to hold high office.
Pedigree?
What are you a racist?
A dog catcher.
Nah–The caught dog.
STFU…FF…YOU LIVE IN GAZA AND LAST NIGHTS DATE WAS THE VILLAGE GOAT….HOW WOLD YOU KNOW?….SHEEEESH!
FF, you twit.
Barack Obama - corrupt, inept phony thug
Michelle Obama - racist, secretly wants to be prez and will have BO making cookies
Sarah Palin - the real deal, accomplished, intelligent, the next veep
Todd Palin - BO’s polar opposite, good guy, so who cares?
MCCAIN/PALIN ‘08
“pedigree”?
You make them sound like dogs at the Westminster kennel club. I could just see if one of here at NQ used “pedigree” in reference to the Obama’s.
You would have called us rascist!
Bush went to Harvard same as Obama….there ends your “pedigree” crap.
As for Michelle and her Princeton education. I wrote a thesis on the application of soft power in U.S. foreign policy while in school that runs circles around the drivel that Michelle Obama signed her name to at Princeton.
No one should be allowed to graduate from university with as poor writing skills as Michelle displayed! NO ONE~~
correction:
one of us here at…
correction:
one of us here at NQ
The Palins weren’t privileged with race-based preferences.
Yep….Barky is solidifying the Workingclass against him….
Pedigree? Good Lord, Freedom Figher, you are a misguided and screwed-up soul. IQ and common sense have nothing to do with one another. I have several family members with advanced degrees and high IQ’s. Between them, they don’t possess the common sense of a doorknob. By the way, what is your IQ?
lol. you are a classist and a racist. and obviously not well educated. What an idiot.
This coming from someone calling herself “Dr. Kate” on the internet?
Thhis coming from someone who calls himself “Freedom Fighter” on the internet?
Try again, you of little talent.
Ivy League degrees are monstrous ex cathedra arguments. For those who have been in the Ivy League, they are not “wowed” by others who flash their “badges.”
pedigree lol! Hey, I went to an Ivy League School–2 actually–make me president!!
With your IQ barely hovering into the double-digit range, you should not be taking others to task for theirs, Goob. It is unseemly.
ahhhhh ha! keep insulting middle America!
Anyone selling fish food for the bottom dweller?
FF
Freedom Fighter simply does not have the IQ or pedigree to blog here.
First of all, what is Todd Palin running for? Nothing. Michelle Obama better not be running for anything either, though I doubt she can help herself from bossing wimpy Barry around. Someone’s got to wear the pants in that family I guess, and it sure as hell isn’t Barry. That much is OBVIOUS.
If I had to vote for Todd Palin or Michelle, Todd’s going to win hands down. He’s not on the take and seems like a common sense honest guy. He’s had some REAL JOBS. He has run a business, which is more than I can say for either of the Obamas. And I really don’t think you should be making fun of good working class people. He’s not nosing his way into this election, unlike Michelle. He’s just helping taking care of his family.
You don’t have any idea what anyone’s IQ is. That is not necessarily related to the school you choose to go to.
As for pedigree, you mean as in breeding??? Serioulsy??? Michelle comes from a working class family that brought in about 40k a year. As for Obama, I’m not really sure how you would define his pedigree, since he was abandoned by both of his parents. He admits in his book that he had to struggle to determine his identity. I guess he decided on pretending to be black. Doesn’t seem like either of his parents were worth all that much to me in terms of ‘pedigree’.
Finally, why don’t you get a clue and realize we don’t want Obama in office because he is CORRUPT, a LIAR/BLAME-SHIFTER, an OPPORTUNIST, and a NARCISSIST. He HATES AMERICA, he hangs out with TERRORISTS. He’s ON THE TAKE. He is a RADICAL. He’s NAIVE and INEXPERIENCED.
Also, Todd is not embarrased that his wife is successful and smiles when his wife calls him the First Dude. MO on the other hand did not flinch in calling OB her Baby Daddy, but when ED Hill referred to her as OB’s Baby Momma she was let go from her job on Fox and Friends due to the screams of outrage from the Obambi campaign.
What high office do you think Michelle Obama and Todd Paliin will be holding?
They’re not on the ballot. They’re spouses.
The Obama arguments are getting more desperate by the day.
Um - degrees and IQs have nothing to do with each other. Lack of degree does not mean you have a low IQ. It could mean you had to work for a living, or had to scrap for scholarships to pay for college.
He did not write any Harvard Review articles. That takes care of that paper trail.
I say PROVE HE WENT TO HARVARD…PROVE ALL OF IT!
Show us the records BARKY…All of them!
Country First
Comment by Freedom Fighter | 2008-10-05 09:56:44
Barack Obama - Harvard University
Michelle Obama - Princeton University
Sarah Palin - University of Idaho
Todd Palin - Wasilla High School
The Palins simply don’t have the IQ or pedigree to hold high office.
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You’re showing that you are an ignorant troll. Comparing the VP candidate on the GOP ticket to the Presidential nominee on the DEM ticket. Gee, you wouldn’t be a POS sent here to trash the Palins would you?
The troll can’t even make a correct comparison.
Sarah Palin- University of Idaho
Joe Biden- Syracuse University, where he graduated 76 out of 85 -and that was after he talked his way out of an “F” for plagerism! (the F was dropped after he re-took the course, I guess without cheating the second time around)
It isn’t the education you get but what you do with the knowledge a good education gives you.
Anyone with a memory can regurgitate facts (and Soertoro/Obama is good at regurgitating other people’s “facts”) but real intellect comes up with novel solutions to solve problems and that doesn’t come from just passing a series of courses to meet degree requirements.
Here is where the republicans made a huge mistake. They were doign the samethign to Hillary CLinton when the media was thrashing her in favor of Obama durign the primaries. Had they called out the media on the unfair treatment of Hillary, they would not be so down in the dumps with that same media now.
The republicans assume the media love them during the primaries. Besides the republicans attacks on HRC was just too fierce during the primary. So many of them did not say anything bad about Obama. They are the reason Obama is now ahead in the Polls.
I just hope McCain can get his act together and beat Obama. DO not believe the Polls. The POlls are deliberately screwed to favor Obama and throw McCain off track. Forget the national Polls and focus on winning the States.
Weren’t those same Republicans “Democrats for a day” crossing over to vote Obama up in an effort to suppress Hillary’s victories? Careful what you wish for; Republicans now find themselves facing the candidate they deemed “weakest”
Really? I seem to recall Limbaugh calling on his listeners to vote for Hillary.
And what about the hundreds of Obama emails asking Republicans to become Democrats for a day and vote for him?
By the way what pedegree are you Freedumb, Gaza or Saudi?
I am not sure what your argument is, but, Barack Obama’s ability to reach across the partison aisle and inspire Repubs is somehow a negative?
He doesn’t reach across the aisle, half-wit–he lectures, badgers, and prevaricates across it.
Name one Republican he has crossed the isle and insiped troll
Well he has inspired me….NOT TO VOTE FOR HIM.
The only thing Obama has inspired is suspicion and divisiveness. Not exactly qualities we’re looking for.
But keep smoking the hopium there, festerdom farter.
Wow, FF, really impressive sources you cite… Wikipedia, Rush. Tell us more.
Comment by jangles | 2008-10-05 09:58:10
He did not write any Harvard Review articles. That takes care of that paper trail.
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Well apparently he didn’t have a birth certificate, any records from Columbia, any medical records, etc. Guess he’s just into saving trees.
Yes nancyjoe, on paper anyway, the man “barely” exists.
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
ASSOCIATED PRESS
(NO LONGER A NEWS SOURCE)ACCUSES PALIN OF BEING RACIST!!THE RACE CARD COMETH AS SOON AS THE REPUBLICANS MENTION AYERS!!!
Objective Journalism…stick a fork in it its done.
Isn’t AYERS about as white as the driven snow? Privleged? Moneyed? Inherited wealth? I am a little confused about what “racism” is in America these days, aren’t you?
And I’ve listened to Sarah’s remarks several times and she makes a point of saying DOMESTIC terrorist — no implication of foreign terrorist. Ayes was/is a rich white boy. Now she has an opening to EXPLAIN exactly who Ayers is — a rich white guy, who’s RICH daddy bailed him out of trouble. And then perhaps she can deliver some well chosen lines about the corrupt Chicago political machine.
These sexist Obots are certainly over playing the racist card.
TRUTHTELLER WE NEED A STORY ON THIS!!!!!
The AP story beings up a good point.
Do Americans want a president that is post-partisan, and post-racial, or do they want a partisan who votes 90% with Bush and someone who employ covert racist rhetoric in his/her campaign?
Are you accusing Sarah Palin and John McCain of Being Racist?
I am saying the AP story brings up good points regarding the McCain campaign’s strategy to appeal to racists.
fuck off troll. seriously.
well he who is without bigotry throw the first stone. I mean come on, sending a memo to News out let’s on the Clintons using what they say out of context to portray them and evil racist to manipulate suggestive, bitter black people. so if obama can do things to apeal to black bigots and sexist pigs then I think McCain can appeal to white bigots and go to be close his eyes and fall sleep, because the only reason you are voting for obama is because he’s black. He has not promised or done anything for the black communty, but he can convince you to harass mccain supporters, falsify registration applications, smear palin, and that just the top three. Let’ not talk about how 95% of AA will vote for obama, and he’s promised the black community absolutely nothing. So you get to be obama’s flunkies, and then he drops you.
There is nothing racist about tell the truth dumb ass. and that’s what palin told. You don’t get to re-invent the truth Like you and so many other obama supporters. Answer this question, would you vote for a white man that funneled money to land lords, and left black elderly people and children living in apartments with no heat or air, were raw sewage was coming up in the sinks, and where a 3 year old was riding his tricycle and got crashed by a large gate that never should have fallen if it had installed properly?
you answer is probably hell no. but if it’s yes you are a bigger dumbass than i thought
sorry but i don’t pick and choose my principals obama would have had my foot up his behind so far he would be tasting toe jam if that had been someone related to me. I will not allow that narcissist anywhere near the oval office, and if you were smart you wouldn’t either.
Oh Wait ofcourse you are, you are one of those obnosious paid obama blog trolls that has been infesting this site for months pushing camp koolaids meme.
Nobody here buys any of the bullshit you push from your basement in Gaza. Go suck it you astroturfing troll.
And tell your leader Adolf Axelfraud that neither you nor your singing Ohitlerjugend youth groups are going to take over this country with your bullshit.
LOL, you got 4 weeks left. Your Bush years are coming to an end.
Yes. 4 weeks left and then its time for the McCain Palin Years!
NEVER OBAMA!!!
NOT NOW!!!
NOT TOMORROW!!!
NOT EVER!!!
How very George Wallaesque. I am sure John McCain appreciates your support.
(sigh) Race card again.
Unfitness, lack of qualification, and danger are equal opportunity adjectives which fully describe your candidate. Next, please.
And you have 4-weeks left on that affirmative action obamalobotobot gravy train then it’s back to preaching on street corners for you, Free-Dumb Fighter. There you will put down your lily-white battle flag with its broad yellow stripe down the center and pick up your seldom-used bible. I feel sorry for those who will have to listen to your hogwash.
FF
Nov 5th you will be eating your own words.
Get used to it…
See it READ it and weep.
McCain/Palin 08
Oval office not equipped for on the job training.
Post-partisan? Let’s hope so because he lost half of his base in the sleazy primary election and he’ll need some entranced righties on his side.
Post-racial? That IS a laugh considering Obamaland’s penchant for playing the race card each and every time his background is in question.
Your pathetic candidate voted with Bush, too.
What else ya got, bot?
THAT IS RICH!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Douglass K. Daniel is the AP reporter that wrote that BS. He’s out of the Washington Bureau. His specialty is making false stuff up out of thin air aka telling lies.
Douglass Daniel is a proven liar! He writes fiction disguised as “news” .
Daniel has been writing up cover stories for Obama and Biden. He is in close contact with the Obama campaign and is used to come out and blunt opposition to Obama.
Daniel is totally in the tank for Obama.
A couple of comments posted on his article:
Douglass K. Daniel is a stooge of the Democratic Party. If it wasn’t so perverse what the AP has turned into it would be laughable. I think Russia has the right approach when it comes to the left wing media. Start with this imbecile.
Mr. Daniel, your article reads more like an Obama press release than a news story, and the “subtext of race” is an invention created solely to you - just one more attempt by a leftist media to portray ANY criticism of Obama as racism.
Grow up and act like a journalist, not a sycophantic cheerleader belching propaganda from your front row seat on the Obama bandwagon.
LOL….GOP WILL NOT BLINK…PRICELESS
White Guilt won’t work…Keep Deviding the Country BARRY….
Despite his education, I find Obama to be worst than any high school kids. He looks arrogant, ignorant, and down right sickening everytime he opened his mouth. And how come a well educated (Harvard)person like this Obama can’t even speak without stuttering “umm, ahh, umm” so much? He should be fluent. But he’s not. I don’t find him to pleasant to look at, to listen to (totally repulsive IMHO), and to even worth voting for. Hope the american people won’t be “sold” by this another of same GWB’s character. Obama is totally fake. McCain/Palin is a real deal. God I miss Hillary.
from S.E. Asia’s PUMA.
Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-05 10:02:19
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
BREAKING!!!
ASSOCIATED PRESS (NO LONGER A NEWS SOURCE) ACCUSES PALIN OF BEING RACIST!!
THE RACE CARD COMETH AS SOON AS THE REPUBLICANS MENTION AYERS!!!
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OH MY F**NG GOD. NO WAY. I was there yesterday at the rally when she said it. Where is the “racism?” Is telling the TRUTH racist? HAHAHAHAHAHAHH the Obama scum is desperate. Desperate. Sending out the trolls, throwing out the race card. Obama’s gonna lose and he KNOWS IT.
LINKEY DINKY
ASSOCIATED PRESS
(NO LONGER A NEWS SOURCE)ACCUSES PALIN OF BEING RACIST!!Don’t you know?
Anyone who doesn’t support Obama is racist. It’s that simple. It’s the only possible reason there could be for not wanting him to be president. He is God, how can you object to that?
fairy tale = racist
inexperienced = racist
community organizer = racist
journalistic ethics (Ifill) = racist
I’m sure there are many I’m leaving out. It’s so boring at this point.
After all, the AA community in their infinite wisdom support Obama by 95 percent.
I don’t believe racism is going to cost Obama the election. I think his lack of character is.
But if all the people hollering about the racism factor were correct, that means the Bradly affect will wipe out Obama’s six point lead in the polls. You add the margin of error into the mix and it looks like a McCain 3 point lead.
These people can’t spin it both ways.
And I actually respect Jesse Jackson. We disagree on some things, but I respect him. He’s done some good things and he was a real pioneer in running for the presidency. Just the same, I’m afraid his words about removing the Obama family jewels was about the most racist thing we’ve heard during this campaign. Sorry Jesse, but that just wasn’t nice. LOL, but I do understand your sentiments.
Again, this is a simplified analysis, but the proposition that academic achievement equates with expected presidential performance is so demonstrably false that a more rigorous analysis is unnecessary.
Silly, facts don’t matter! He’s The One!
They will grasp at any and all evidence, real or imagined, to justify why this empty suit with no experience deserves to be president.
Meanwhile, they froth at the mouth because Palin is NOT EXPERIENCED!??!!
Have you ever seen the social network analysis used to find connections between terrorists? Here’s one for Enron emails. Wonder what would pop up if you looked at the temporal and social relationships between Ayers and Obama. Wouldn’t you think the FBI, CIA and NSA would do the same vetting that the Brit ambassador to the US did in his report to PM Brown?
Forgot the hyperlinks:
enron
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/06/07/social-network-analy.html
9/11 terrorists
http://www.orgnet.com/hijackers.html
An educated guess. Hillary lost the respect of the MSM during her contest because she did not take the MSM misrepresentations directly herself and forcefully and persistently.
The MSM is the one that needs the politician and not the other way around.
If Palin can take the MSM directly with a frontal assault, fearlessly and persistently expose their misrepresentations, the MSM will fall instead of her. It is a big tall order but she can do it.
And I approve of her interviewing twice as much with Fox than with CNN.
At the Palin rally yesterday John Voight took on a CNN reporter and said it was kind of “criminal” the way the MSM was acting. The CNN drone kept trying to move off of it, but Voight wouldn’t let it go. Good for him. Palin’s comments about the media were great too, at the rally, She said she “wondered how the media would spin this?” And she really got them about the BS interviews with that hating little troll B**tch Couric who asked her crap like “what she reads.” This woman is making them ALL look like the petty, lying, unethical, amoral, disgrace that they are. GO ‘CUDA!
Comment by lark | 2008-10-05 10:26:52
After all, the AA community in their infinite wisdom support Obama by 95 percent.
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Does anyone know if this is really a true stat? Because I couldn’t believe the amount of AA people at the Palin rally yesterday. TONS of them. I was sort of surprised. And they weren’t the Ohblowme picketers. They were holding up McCain/Palin signs and showing some big love.
That’s good to hear. I have been thinking that the polls are cooked for a lot of reasons.
I will say it again. The media is hyping this number up. I think they really believe that the only issue we vote on is based on color alone. To me thats prejudice to assume that I will vote for Obama because he is half black. If they were to say 95% of white people were voting for McCain it would be racist. Oh forgot they do that anyway. But seriously that is why his campaign has to get every celebrity, rapper and rock star to get to the closest camera and tell people to vote for him.
Because they wouldnt if it was not for all the free crap he gives away. Senator Clinton could of did the same thing. Hell, one of my favorite rappers 50 Cent was a Clinton supporter. If HE would of did the whole “free concert” for Hillary shit it would of worked as well. But she didnt because she wanted votes based on the issues and not allusions like BO.
really?? Oh my gosh, that is SO GOOD to hear.
Whether you believe in God or not, or like Joel Osteen or not, he has thousands crowd in Houston every Sunday to hear him speak. These are conservative people who love this country. This is just a snippet of the people who will go out and vote for McCain and Palin. Just an observation….carry on.
President Bush likely has a higher IQ than his 2004 opponent Senator Kerry. See this article - admittedly, it’s an opinion piece - for the data and analysis to back up this claim. ( Secret Weapon for Bush? at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/politics/campaign/24points.html?oref=login )
Now, my opinion of President Bush’s performance is higher than that most commenters on this site. But if you think Bush did a terrible job, than Bush’s apparent more-than-modest smarts is just more evidence that intelligence is a necessary, but not a sufficient, condition to be an effective President.
BTW, I would not even concede that Obama is particularly smart. Superficial glibness, “nuance,” and convoluted and meandering sentence structure does not prove that a person is intelligent - and it’s by such means that confidence men sometimes trick the naive into thinking otherwise.
As one expert quoted in the article states, with regard to Kerry:
“People will often be misled into thinking someone is brighter if he says something complicated they can’t understand”
Oblah, blah most likely gamed the educational system much in the same way he has gamed his rise in politics. I’m from near Missouri too, so show me the money so to speak. Transcripts, articles, payroll records.
For as much of a dolt as John Kerry was, at least he was able to produce a group of long time known distinguished war veterans who supported him.
Where is Obama’s list of long time friends of good standing in the community? Rev. Wright? Tony Rezko? William Ayers?
Throwing something out, has to do with education, but a tad OT:
Obama claims to of went to Pakistan in 1981 with his Pakistan room-mate from Columbia. Problem with this is two fold, Obama only entered Columbia in the fall of 1981 and complained when he arrived in NYC of being strapped for money, so how could he go to Pakistan? Answer is he is playing with timelines, because he was only 20 in 1981.
The time realistically of him going to Pakistan was summer of 1982, but that unfolds problems for Obama in that the US State Dept had a ban on all non-muslums from going to Pakistan for starters and second, prior to Obama going to Pakistan he went to Indonesia, he claims to see his mom, but his mom was in Hawaii then, so his only rason for going was renewal of a passport.
This complicates Obama for one reason, Obama in obtaining a renewed Indonesia passport he had to pledge allegence to Indonesia in the year Obama turned 21.
This the reasoning Obama refuses to turn over simple docs to Berg?
Comment by VMorris | 2008-10-05 10:31:43
Oblah, blah most likely gamed the educational system much in the same way he has gamed his rise in politics. I’m from near Missouri too, so show me the money so to speak. Transcripts, articles, payroll records.
For as much of a dolt as John Kerry was, at least he was able to produce a group of long time known distinguished war veterans who supported him.
Where is Obama’s list of long time friends of good standing in the community? Rev. Wright? Tony Rezko? William Ayers?
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Isn’t it creepy that Ohblowme doesn’t have ANYONE to speak for him from college, etc.? His only “friends” we can document are these criminals and terrorists. And there are those pesky “missing years” in NYC where he “can’t remember” his address and there are no records of his existence. He’s a sleeper cell, I know it.
As Will Rogers said, “There is nothing so stupid as the educated man if you get him off the thing he was educated in.
Does anybody doubt Will Rogers would have made a great President? Common sense… If you don’t already have it… Harvard won’t be able to grant you any of it.
Hey I just read that Obama has “clinched” the nomination! Wow, I didn’t know election day was already over! So does that mean I shouldn’t vote in the NC early voting? Since the media is basically saying that its pointless to go vote since it has already been “clinched” for Obama? Think there trying to reduce voter turnout by saying since he is ahead in the battleground states that its like…pointless? Are they saying my vote is pointless? My right to choose irrelevant? My reason for not supporting him worthless & not a good reason? Didnt think these scumbags could drop any lower.
It’s the primaries all over again. The media has declared the early winner. What a farce.
Obama hasn’t clinched anything, and he knows it. This is his campaign’s strategy to discourage McCain supporters from voting. If you think your candidate will lose anyway why vote. Obama is spending money hand over fist to win this thing, and he still isn’t up much in the polls. He will do anything to win, and he is stooping to any tactic he thinks of, or should I say Axlerod thinks of, to do it.
Comment by Jeremiah God Damn Barack Amerikkka Wright | 2008-10-05 10:42:05
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I have seen these disgusting paid Obamafilth Trolls on every blog I go to. There are about 700 of them working for Ohblowme I hear. Some smarter than others. We happened to get Free-Dumb, one of the lesser of the IQ pool. Don’t feed this idiot. [DELETED BY ADMIN]
he has been here for months.
and keeps coming back with different IPs after all the times he has been banned.
Does anyone in its right mind have a shadow of a doubt that Obama has an anti American Agenda? Does a person who loves his country (presuming that he was born here) assist for 25 years to a church to hear sermons condemning, accusing and reproving your country.
In Rev Wright’s own words” “God Bless America, NO, NO, NO God damn America” You can be critical but what was preached at Trinity Church was pure hatred. Why hasn’t the MCcain Camp used this disturbing footage?
Lord if they go the Palin words are racist route they will be lucky to have anyone vote for Oblahma in Nov. Actually I hope they do because it would hurt them badly in NC. I like when the MSM now goes the racist route because with NC having one of the largest military bases in there state with people from all kinds of backgrounds etc…people who just became citizens, stuff like that turns people off badly because we cant judge people solely based on “color”.
Thats the quickest way to get your rank taken, UCMJ action, and your money gone. They take things like that seriously. So believe me,to got through that and it turns out to be false and even though it eventually gets thrown out, the fact that someone accused you will RUIN your military career. That goes for any false charge. You can literally lose everything. I have seen CSM’s, E8’s get screwed over because someone made false claims. Despite it not being the truth, who wants to give you a command with a “rumor” circulating to that degree?
I hope they keep it up. Idiots think this will make people believe it. Yes, NC does have a high AA percentage. But those fools never research exactly were there at or what they do. Look at the NC primary Map between him and Clinton. Obama WILL NOT WIN NC. But its nice to watch them spend there money and try.
if college education is a prequisite for Presidency, then we have an awful lot of candidates. AA got Obama an ivy league education and nothing more. If his so called superior education is such an asset to his resume, why won’t he release his school records?
I REST MY CASE.
In a NYT article University of Chicago professor Epstein noted that Obama never spent time getting to know the other economics professors.
Why?
As my own mentor would say, Obama is probably a fraud.
Epstein goes on to note that Obama had all the affectations of an intellectual, but he wouldn’t call Obama an intellectual.
Obama is cerebral, meaning he’s “in his head” imagining the future or the past, or what he’ll look like with his shirt off in the Maui surf, and people mistake that for intellectual. Look at transcripts of what he says - it’s all shlock. Vague generalities. Many a time through the primary I’ve asked - wait how could he say that? He must not read newspapers.
He also has a baritone voice, and people mistake that for intellect. Finally, he alleviates white guilt, so people mistake that for intellect too.
More and more people are catching on. Read this Mother Jones article: The Audacity of Hype - even a lot of people voting for him know he’s an empty suit and will be a huge disappointment.
Can you imagine having to listen for four years to a stammering idiot who can hardly finish a sentence?!?! Imagine a translator having to translate his drivel. Imagine being a foreign diplomat having to sit through it. Fuck he is terrible!
Yes, all cerebral and nothing substantive, that he is.
If you can ignore the partisan aspects, check out this article.
http://www.city-journal.org/2008/18_3_obama.html
Great reference — I congratulate Mother Jones for selecting a diverse group to speak on the issue of, really, whether Obama is offering a transformative kind of politics. And I also like the idea that they let these people talk in one piece, rather than a reporter selecting snippets of their thoughts and bringing his own slant into the final piece.
I would have gone one major step further — that Obama really seems to have outed himself as a hack Illinois politician during his race.
I’m just wondering when white people are going to wake up and grab that racist mallet Obama keeps hitting your head with and return the favor. If 95% blacks support him what does that tell you? Enough is enough challenge the msm on this issue.
In one state primary, North Carolina, 95% of blacks supported him. That’s it. Please stop repeating that racist stereotype.
Does it not concern anyone that the USA will soon become the USSA- the United Socialist States of America?………….. Classic examples:
#1.The Obama Children’s Chorus ..Venice,CA. elememtary school children (4-10yrs.of age)dressed in “”Hope-blue shirts singing “Sing for Change”..We’re gonna spread happiness-We’re gonna spread freedom-Obama’s gonna change it-Obama’s gonna lead em-We’re gonna change it-And rearrange it-We’re gonna change the world!..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tjbgJmLFg
#2.A member of the Virginia Education Association Teachers Union sent an e-mail stating teachers should wear blue Tuesday for “Obama Blue Day” and to “register two voters or talk to two people who may be on the fence/or a McCain supporter and sway them to become a Obama supporter.” The e-mail also states: “There are people out there not yet registered. You teach some of them.”…………………..
3.Obama Youth Junior Fraternity Regiment..Kansas City Middle School students in para-military garb and reciting in cadence “Yes,We Can”. ….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrgfGTEf9eI
Does it not concern anyone that Obama as a young 19yr.old college student traveled to Pakistan in 1981 WHILE Pakistan was under martial law? Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and ruled of martial law. Millions of Afghan refugees were living in Pakistan, while the Afghan Mujahedeen operated from bases inside Pakistan in their war with the Soviets. Pakistan Was On The Banned Travel List For US CITIZEN at the time and all non-Muslim visitors were not welcome unless sponsored by their embassy for official business. DID HE USE HIS INDONESIAN PASSPORT? DOES DUAL CITIZENSHIP DISQUALIFY HIM AS A CANDIDATE FOR POTUS?…
Hillary Clinton basically has the same education ( law degree from Yale). Then she had the experiance, knowledge and the smart then why ?
I think the powers that be decided from the get go that Obama should be president to atone for the sins of slavery and the segregation and racism that African Americans faced thereafter. It won’t, of course, atone for anything. Two wrongs don’t make a right. His campaign’s devisive tactics have created a divide in this country that will take a long time to remedy. The words racist and racism have been thrown around so cavalierly that they will soon cease to have any real meaning. This hurts the people who truly suffer racism. It is like crying “wolf” too many times.
I must take offense at Freedom Fighter’s statement regarding the IQ and pedigree of the Palins. Besides the statement being incredibly classist, the truth of the matter is that the University of Idaho is respected as a college for teachers. Remember, Sarah said she comes from a family that has a long line of teachers. When I was a child growing up in eastern washington, 12 years older than Ms. Palin, the choices for girls to be when they grew up were bo be wives, teachers, or nurses. FF, you make me sick. Stay on the side of snobs and Wall street criminals. You seem to have that pedigree.
Hey everyone, I found something hilarious. It is a cartoon over at American Thinker called “Stopping the Obamabot.” I dedicate it to Freedom Fighter. Here is the link:
http://www.americanthinker.com/cartoons/
Social network analysis at http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6808
“Education Does Not Make a Leader”
OBVIOUSLY, or that would make Dubya Bush one, ‘nuf said there.
And anyone who wants to claim Barky’s education as reason (he has nothing else) he should be a good leader, all you have to say is, George W Bush. Damn, they have WAAAYYYY TOO MUCH IN COMMON!
Speaking of education…..
I’ve read here and on other blogs
rumors of Rudy Giuliani having the “goods” on BO.
Could he perhaps, with his NY connections,
have ALL of Barky’s Columbia records, transcripts, addresses, associations, etc.?
Now THAT is a sweet thought!!
Good work Katmandu!
According to his book editor, Senator McCain is an avid reader…especially interested in history.
That indicates to me, that he is an analytical thinker!
I admire independence and curiosity!
Such a person will not stagnate, and grows throughout a lifetime!
People rag on Mc because he graduated at the bottom of his class. What they do NOT take into consideration is the fact that in calculating one’s class standing demerits for behavior are part of that. Mc was no boy scout.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260
1990 NYT Article regarding an appointment that could be considered “historic.” A few segments stand out…
On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said: ”I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I’m fairly opinionated about this. But as president of the law review, I have a limited role as only first among equals.”
Until the 1970’s the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970’s and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
Looks like it worked. I would like to see Obama man up and accept Wayne Allyn Root’s challenge and release his transcripts. He’s “scary smart,” right? He could give that million to ACORN, or hand out hundreds at Chicago area homeless shelters. His incredible intellect could be used to bolster the “fairness” he espouses. Then again, he could prove himself to be a complete fool, something I feel has already been done repeatedly but left relatively unreported by the MSM. Decrying Bush unilateralism while preaching for unilateral action in Pakistan? Talk about establishing a precedent.
More on Barack’s legendary brain here:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/05/obama-mythical.html
Sir winston curchill was not a good studetnt
Fifty percent of the members of MENSA (the high IQ club, for those who didn’t already know that) don’t have college degrees. So don’t try to tell me that education = intelligence.
Education prohibits one to actually think!
The universities now select OUT the creative and thoughtful, and this was beaten into my head by a man who was IAS (Princeton).
Yes. We like our leaders to be absolute morons. Take the last 8 years as an example of of what happens when you turn a nation over to a moron. Over 700,000 Americans out of work. The worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. An illegal and immoral war. A just war that the administration ignores. Osama Bin Ladin still alive. Yes, this is a prime example of moronic leadership at it’s finest. Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar and ran this nation the way it should be run. Bush had an MBA from Yale, but ran this country into the ground. Obama is much more intelligent than McCain and Palin combined. Biden is as well. If Hillary would have won, she is far superior to the 2 mental midgets on the neocon ticket. Obama/Biden have this great nations best interest at heart. McCain/Palin, not so much.
To Kelvin Hearts - the point about this article is not that less education produces better presidents, but that formal education doesn’t tell the whole story, and having a PHD in a certain subject doesn’t mean on will automatically be smart about or have good instincts in every other field of knowledge.
Obama has a law degree.
And is a full fledged graduate from the Chicago Machine School of Political Slime.
Great for a back room deal maker, but maybe not so great for someone who wants to be president of all Americans.
SENATOR OBAMA,ANOTHER POSSIBLE INNOCENT poorer black american NEEDS YOUR VOICE OF JUSTICE ???
DOES GOD NEED TO LOBBY OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD ON BEHALF OF OUR POORER AMERICAN’S SENATOR OBAMA,OR ARE YOU WATCHING OUT FOR THEM ??
SURELY OUR US CONGRESS & US SUPREME COURT BOTH KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A STATE MURDER IN GEORGIA OR POSSIBLE EXECUTION IN GEORGIA THIS WEEK ???
OUR US CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS OF THE FREE WORLD CONTINUE TO DENY MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING POOR AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION EVEN THOUGH WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS & FALSE INCARCERATIONS CONTINUE ALL ACROSS AMERICA ???
*** 700 BILLION $$$ AVAILABLE FOR US BAILOUT, & NO $$$ FOR ALL POORER AMERICANS PROPER LEGAL REPRESENTATION ???????
WHERE ARE AMERICA ‘S RELIGIOUS LEADERS ??
SENATOR OBAMA, THIS JUDICIAL INJUSTICE HAS BECOME AN AMERICAN ART FORM, AND NO LONGER CAN BE KEPT HIDDEN OR SECRET FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN IF CERTAIN (501c3) U$ RELIGIOU$ LEADER$ HAVE BEEN $ILENCED ??
LETS ALL HOPE OUR MEDIA FRIENDS CONTINUE TO SHOW AN INTEREST IN REPORTING ON THIS AMERICAN HORROR FACING THESE (TENS OF THOUSANDS) FORGOTTEN AND TRAPPED POORER AMERICANS, AND HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL CONTENDER HANDLES THIS VERY SERIOUS ISSUE FACING AMERICA’S LATINO AND BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITIES ????
WITH 80% OF THE BLACK AMERICAN VOTERS SAYING THEY SUPPORT SENATOR OBAMA IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, IT IS ONLY FAIR FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW PRIOR BEING ELECTED OUR NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HOW THIS DEMOCRATIC SENATOR TRULY FEELS ABOUT THIS AMERICAN JUDICIAL INJUSTICE CONTINUING TO INFLICT GRAVE HARM ON THE BLACK & LATINO AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES NATIONWIDE ??????
*** WHEN GOD’S FACE BECAME VERY RED ***
THE US SUPREME COURT GAVE ENEMY COMBATANTS FEDERAL APPEAL HC RIGHTS LAWYERS AND PROPER ACCESS TO US FEDERAL COURTS,AND POORER AMERICANS (MANY EVEN ON DEATH ROW) ARE DENIED PROPER FEDERAL APPEAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION TO OUR US FEDERAL COURTS OF APPEAL, AND ROTTING IN AMERICAN PRISONS NATIONWIDE ?????????
**** INNOCENT AMERICANS ARE DENIED REAL HC RIGHTS WITH THEIR FEDERAL APPEALS !
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE $LOWLY FINDING OUT HOW EA$Y IT I$ FOR MIDDLE CLA$$ AND WORKING POOR AMERICAN$ TO FALL VICTIM TO OUR U$ MONETARY JUDICIAL $Y$TEM.
****WHEN THE US INNOCENT WERE ABANDONED BY THE GUILTY ****
The prison experts have reported that there are 100,000 innocent Americans currently being falsely imprisoned along with the 2,300,000 total US prison population nationwide.
Since our US Congress has never afforded poor prison inmates federal appeal legal counsel for their federal retrials,they have effectively closed the doors on these tens of thousands of innocent citizens ever being capable of possibly exonerating themselves to regain their freedom through being granted new retrials.
This same exact unjust situation was happening in our Southern States when poor and mostly uneducated Black Americans were being falsely imprisoned for endless decades without the needed educational skills to properly submit their own written federal trial appeals.
This devious and deceptive judicial process of making our poor and innocent prison inmates formulate and write their own federal appeal legal cases for possible retrials on their state criminal cases,is still in effect today even though everyone in our US judicial system knows that without proper legal representation, these tens of thousands of innocent prison inmates will be denied their rightful opportunities of ever being granted new trials from our federal appeal judges!!
Sadly, the true US *legal* Federal Appeal situation that occurs when any of our uneducated American prison inmates are forced to attempt to submit their own written Federal Appeals (from our prisons nationwide) without the assistance of proper legal counsel, is that they all are in reality being denied their legitimate rights for Habeas Corpus with our US FEDERAL COURTS and will win any future Supreme Court Case concerning this injustice!
For our judicial system and our US Congressional Leaders Of The Free World to continue to pretend that this is a real and fair opportunity for our American Middle Class and Working Poor Citizens, only delays the very needed future change of Federal Financing of all these Federal appeals becoming a normal formula of Our American judicial system.
It was not so very long ago that Public Defenders became a Reality in this country.Prior that legal reality taking place, their were also some who thought giving anyone charged with a crime a free lawyer was a waste of taxpayers $$.
This FACADE and HORROR of our Federal Appeal proce$$ is not worthy of the Greatest Country In The World!
***GREAT SOCIETIES THAT DO NOT PROTECT EVEN THEIR INNOCENT, BECOME THE GUILTY!
A MUST READ ABOUT AMERICAN INJUSTICE:
1) YAHOO AND 2) GOOGLE
MANNY GONZALES THE KID THAT EVERYONE FORGOT IN THE CA PRISON SYSTEM. ** A JUDICIAL RIDE OF ONES LIFE !
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How are we to even evaluate Barack Obama’s academic achievements, given that he won’t release his records?
But that doesn’t matter.
He could plaster his entire house with parchment from the world’s putative best schools and that will not make hiim have intelligence or common sense.
He’s living proof that there intellect and intelligence are not the same thing.
He’s also living proof that those who raise his purported “superior” intelligence and academic credenitals suffer from the same HUTA syndrome as he.