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	<title>Comments on: FACT CHECK on Obama&#8217;s Recent Triangulation on Health Care in Ohio</title>
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		<title>By: Kelly&#38;Mike4McCain/Plain 08</title>
		<link>http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/06/fact-check-on-obamas-recent-triangulation-on-health-care-in-ohio/#comment-865854</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly&#38;Mike4McCain/Plain 08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad when even right in front of your eyes as many other stuff in right infront of your nose and eyes. but, stiil you have to  see  on a website what Obama want&#039;s you to believe. 

Obama has said so many things to say again in a different state something different on what he said in the other.Wake Up!Hope sooner then later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad when even right in front of your eyes as many other stuff in right infront of your nose and eyes. but, stiil you have to  see  on a website what Obama want&#8217;s you to believe. </p>
<p>Obama has said so many things to say again in a different state something different on what he said in the other.Wake Up!Hope sooner then later.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, but to those Clinton supporters who are going to sit election out or vote for a third party and then sign off &quot;Clinton 2012&quot; are not much better.

IMHO if Obama gets elected there is very little possibility that Hillary would be running against him in 2012.  If he and the DNC are able to pull of his corrupted election this year why would he with the power of a sitting president not be able to shut any democrat out from opposing him in 2012?  Frankly I think those Clinton supporters who do not vote for McCain this election will not have the chance to support Hillary for another presidential run.  Just MHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, but to those Clinton supporters who are going to sit election out or vote for a third party and then sign off &#8220;Clinton 2012&#8243; are not much better.</p>
<p>IMHO if Obama gets elected there is very little possibility that Hillary would be running against him in 2012.  If he and the DNC are able to pull of his corrupted election this year why would he with the power of a sitting president not be able to shut any democrat out from opposing him in 2012?  Frankly I think those Clinton supporters who do not vote for McCain this election will not have the chance to support Hillary for another presidential run.  Just MHO.</p>
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		<title>By: DeniseB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeniseB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s mind-boggling that anyone would think Obama is a liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s mind-boggling that anyone would think Obama is a liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need not make any assumption about how Obama feels about Hillary, it is quite obvious when you flip someone off or dust them off your shoulders, what your feelings for that person are.

As for your assumption that Hillary is either going to be Senate leader or in Obama&#039;s cabinet, I believe you are totally wrong.  Why would Obama place someone he gave the finger to and brushed off his shoulders in his cabinet?  Also if the current democratic leadership went along with guiding Obama to his annointment as party leader why would those same delegates who were leaned on, or bought off, to support him suddenly give the leadership to Hillary.

IMHO neither fantasy is likely to happen.  I see a better chance of Hillary being on Sen. McCain&#039;s cabinet if he is elected but I frankly would think he would prefer her to be Senate leader as he and she have a good working relationship and have shown they can work with each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need not make any assumption about how Obama feels about Hillary, it is quite obvious when you flip someone off or dust them off your shoulders, what your feelings for that person are.</p>
<p>As for your assumption that Hillary is either going to be Senate leader or in Obama&#8217;s cabinet, I believe you are totally wrong.  Why would Obama place someone he gave the finger to and brushed off his shoulders in his cabinet?  Also if the current democratic leadership went along with guiding Obama to his annointment as party leader why would those same delegates who were leaned on, or bought off, to support him suddenly give the leadership to Hillary.</p>
<p>IMHO neither fantasy is likely to happen.  I see a better chance of Hillary being on Sen. McCain&#8217;s cabinet if he is elected but I frankly would think he would prefer her to be Senate leader as he and she have a good working relationship and have shown they can work with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana L. C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diana L. C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He has run this ad in Colorado.  When I saw it, I had to spit out the tea I was drinking.

I had just the day before gotten into an email argument with a woman I don&#039;t know from Adam.  She must have received my email address somewhere from a list someone developed as I went through the entire process of being a democratic delegate.  She had emailed me and others out of the blue before the VP debate and wanted me to participate in some silly game to bash Sarah Palin during the debate.

I wrote her back and gave her piece of my mind about women bashing other women and also about my feelings about The One.

She then wrote me again and said I was crazy because I needed to vote &quot;the issues&quot; and the issues she was most concerned about was Obama&#039;s wonderful &quot;universal&quot; healthcare proposal because she and her husband needed that very badly with his health problems.

I then wrote her again and asked her not to write ever again since it was obvious she had never really understood what his many health care plans were.  I also explained that I wasn&#039;t quite sure what they were either, as he kept changing them and that I would never be sure because he would probably change them again.  

Then sure enough, there was a new plan being displayed on my t.v. screen before the debate.

I just hope the poor woman&#039;s husband didn&#039;t have a heart attack seeing it himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He has run this ad in Colorado.  When I saw it, I had to spit out the tea I was drinking.</p>
<p>I had just the day before gotten into an email argument with a woman I don&#8217;t know from Adam.  She must have received my email address somewhere from a list someone developed as I went through the entire process of being a democratic delegate.  She had emailed me and others out of the blue before the VP debate and wanted me to participate in some silly game to bash Sarah Palin during the debate.</p>
<p>I wrote her back and gave her piece of my mind about women bashing other women and also about my feelings about The One.</p>
<p>She then wrote me again and said I was crazy because I needed to vote &#8220;the issues&#8221; and the issues she was most concerned about was Obama&#8217;s wonderful &#8220;universal&#8221; healthcare proposal because she and her husband needed that very badly with his health problems.</p>
<p>I then wrote her again and asked her not to write ever again since it was obvious she had never really understood what his many health care plans were.  I also explained that I wasn&#8217;t quite sure what they were either, as he kept changing them and that I would never be sure because he would probably change them again.  </p>
<p>Then sure enough, there was a new plan being displayed on my t.v. screen before the debate.</p>
<p>I just hope the poor woman&#8217;s husband didn&#8217;t have a heart attack seeing it himself.</p>
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		<title>By: snosandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snosandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One good thing about not living in a battleground state is we don&#039;t have to see or hear the constant adds.  On the other hand you almost feel invisible, as in candidates pretty much ignore us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One good thing about not living in a battleground state is we don&#8217;t have to see or hear the constant adds.  On the other hand you almost feel invisible, as in candidates pretty much ignore us.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT

George Soros biggest dream may become a reality if the “Manchurian Man” holds the Highest Office.

He actually now have the dream ticket of a lifetime to achieve his nefarious goal.

Below is an excerpt of a very chilling article.

A wakeup call to everyone!!

POE:He uses it to push the Party leftward.  He is systematically purging the Party of moderates and packing it with radicals. For instance, the Shadow Party ousted Senator Joseph Lieberman in favor of Ned Lamont, because Lieberman refused to support a “cut-and-run” policy in Iraq.

FP:Isn’t that just politics as usual, though – wealthy fat cats funding their favorite candidates?
POE: Funding ordinary candidates, be they Democrats or Republicans, would be politics as usual. Funding radical candidates who seek America’s destruction is not. Money is a tool. It can be used for good or evil. The Shadow Party is using it for evil.

FP: Does the Shadow Party really seek to destroy ?
POE: Judge for yourself. In his new book The Age of Fallibility, Soros writes, “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States” He announced in 2003 that it is necessary to “puncture the bubble of American supremacy.”  Soros is working systematically to achieve that goal. …”

For further reading:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/new-media-spin.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT</p>
<p>George Soros biggest dream may become a reality if the “Manchurian Man” holds the Highest Office.</p>
<p>He actually now have the dream ticket of a lifetime to achieve his nefarious goal.</p>
<p>Below is an excerpt of a very chilling article.</p>
<p>A wakeup call to everyone!!</p>
<p>POE:He uses it to push the Party leftward.  He is systematically purging the Party of moderates and packing it with radicals. For instance, the Shadow Party ousted Senator Joseph Lieberman in favor of Ned Lamont, because Lieberman refused to support a “cut-and-run” policy in Iraq.</p>
<p>FP:Isn’t that just politics as usual, though – wealthy fat cats funding their favorite candidates?<br />
POE: Funding ordinary candidates, be they Democrats or Republicans, would be politics as usual. Funding radical candidates who seek America’s destruction is not. Money is a tool. It can be used for good or evil. The Shadow Party is using it for evil.</p>
<p>FP: Does the Shadow Party really seek to destroy ?<br />
POE: Judge for yourself. In his new book The Age of Fallibility, Soros writes, “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States” He announced in 2003 that it is necessary to “puncture the bubble of American supremacy.”  Soros is working systematically to achieve that goal. …”</p>
<p>For further reading:</p>
<p><a href="http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/new-media-spin.html" rel="nofollow">http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/04/new-media-spin.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: latina</title>
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		<dc:creator>latina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;You want a real factcheck? Check a video trailer of our &quot;could be&quot; future.  The only thing... this is  not a movie but  a real  life video.  


These are the real thinkers, followers and protectors of the future &quot;United States of Obama&quot;.  This is food for thought.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/teacher_suspended_in_obama_vid.html

&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>You want a real factcheck? Check a video trailer of our &#8220;could be&#8221; future.  The only thing&#8230; this is  not a movie but  a real  life video.  </p>
<p>These are the real thinkers, followers and protectors of the future &#8220;United States of Obama&#8221;.  This is food for thought.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/teacher_suspended_in_obama_vid.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/10/teacher_suspended_in_obama_vid.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: snosandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>snosandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 01:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has been my understanding how it works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has been my understanding how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Leisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who has discussed health care with people that live in countries with socialized medicine?

I have, and if you have $$, you pay for better care, often times traveling out of the country.  This is especially true in the dental field, where that type of coverage is not as common here. 

According to my European friends, the US has had better dental and medical services because we have not socialized medicine here.  That is why McCain&#039;s plan is interesting...

I am posting this article again.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who has discussed health care with people that live in countries with socialized medicine?</p>
<p>I have, and if you have $$, you pay for better care, often times traveling out of the country.  This is especially true in the dental field, where that type of coverage is not as common here. </p>
<p>According to my European friends, the US has had better dental and medical services because we have not socialized medicine here.  That is why McCain&#8217;s plan is interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>I am posting this article again.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try an outside the Obama talking points opinion on for size.  Obama has waffled on every issue I care about.

Here is food for thought.

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try an outside the Obama talking points opinion on for size.  Obama has waffled on every issue I care about.</p>
<p>Here is food for thought.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=481</a></p>
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		<title>By: bemused</title>
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		<dc:creator>bemused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly right, MO is a part of the problem. Which is very complex. Maybe for discussion people should make a clear distinction between universal health care (everyone has access) and nationalized health care (the government is running it). Not the same. But I think the present system is totally broken and needs revising from the ground up to improve coverage and control costs, which are inflated in some areas and not in others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right, MO is a part of the problem. Which is very complex. Maybe for discussion people should make a clear distinction between universal health care (everyone has access) and nationalized health care (the government is running it). Not the same. But I think the present system is totally broken and needs revising from the ground up to improve coverage and control costs, which are inflated in some areas and not in others.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthteller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too do not trust Obama.  I am glad I am not the only Democrat who refuses to support Barack Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too do not trust Obama.  I am glad I am not the only Democrat who refuses to support Barack Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: goldengrahme</title>
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		<dc:creator>goldengrahme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One side of my mind says don&#039;t touch this issue with a ten-foot pole; the other, my cantankerous side, says--oh, hell, why not!

American medicine?  That&#039;s an oxymoron.  And I must add, a crap shoot.  Put yourself on that merry-go-round and if you are lucky, you will survive and not be bankrupt.  The whole industry is fraught with corruption and greed.  For every qualified, dedicated professional, there is probably a dozen who are scamming and skimming for a nice piece of change.  Overbilling entitlement programs and overdosing patients with toxic pharmaceuticals are just a tip of the iceberg.

Check out the how the once-humanitarian hospice care for end-of-life treatment has been hijacked, for purposes of cost containment, by the practicioners of what advocates for the terminally ill and handicapped term, &quot;a culture of dying.&quot;  In other words, sanctioned euthenasia.  Arnold Schwarzenegger just signed a bill in CA that mirrors the Oregon &quot;right to die&quot; or legalized &quot;assisted suicide.&quot;

Check out the stats in The Netherlands where this eugenic practice was implemented; you will find how the death rate skyrocketed as doctors and nurses became quite comfortable with dispatching their marginalized patients because they were considered terminal anyway, therefore, they were simply facilitating natural processes.  In some places that is still considered killing and prosecutable.

But as the population ages and health care becomes more problematic, the practice will be accepted as a final solution...OMG, where have I heard that before?
Who should be allowed to make those decisions?

Families are being shut out of that decision making process.  Once you are signed into a health care situation, they own you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One side of my mind says don&#8217;t touch this issue with a ten-foot pole; the other, my cantankerous side, says&#8211;oh, hell, why not!</p>
<p>American medicine?  That&#8217;s an oxymoron.  And I must add, a crap shoot.  Put yourself on that merry-go-round and if you are lucky, you will survive and not be bankrupt.  The whole industry is fraught with corruption and greed.  For every qualified, dedicated professional, there is probably a dozen who are scamming and skimming for a nice piece of change.  Overbilling entitlement programs and overdosing patients with toxic pharmaceuticals are just a tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>Check out the how the once-humanitarian hospice care for end-of-life treatment has been hijacked, for purposes of cost containment, by the practicioners of what advocates for the terminally ill and handicapped term, &#8220;a culture of dying.&#8221;  In other words, sanctioned euthenasia.  Arnold Schwarzenegger just signed a bill in CA that mirrors the Oregon &#8220;right to die&#8221; or legalized &#8220;assisted suicide.&#8221;</p>
<p>Check out the stats in The Netherlands where this eugenic practice was implemented; you will find how the death rate skyrocketed as doctors and nurses became quite comfortable with dispatching their marginalized patients because they were considered terminal anyway, therefore, they were simply facilitating natural processes.  In some places that is still considered killing and prosecutable.</p>
<p>But as the population ages and health care becomes more problematic, the practice will be accepted as a final solution&#8230;OMG, where have I heard that before?<br />
Who should be allowed to make those decisions?</p>
<p>Families are being shut out of that decision making process.  Once you are signed into a health care situation, they own you.</p>
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		<title>By: savage</title>
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		<dc:creator>savage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really &lt;strong&gt;BANNED&lt;/strong&gt;?

my apologies, but I really don&#039;t think qualifies a banning. I should of put an OT above my post like the others. 

this site would need to ban A LOT people. Like &lt;em&gt;I Will Remember in November&#039;s&lt;/em&gt; post below. Or &lt;em&gt;Typical Bitter Whitey Woman&#039;s&lt;/em&gt;. Or &lt;em&gt;voteamerican&#039;&lt;/em&gt;s. Why didn&#039;t you recommend a ban for them?</description>
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<p>my apologies, but I really don&#8217;t think qualifies a banning. I should of put an OT above my post like the others. </p>
<p>this site would need to ban A LOT people. Like <em>I Will Remember in November&#8217;s</em> post below. Or <em>Typical Bitter Whitey Woman&#8217;s</em>. Or <em>voteamerican&#8217;</em>s. Why didn&#8217;t you recommend a ban for them?</p>
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