Post-Debate Open Thread
By SusanUnPC on October 7, 2008 at 9:30 PM in Barack Obama, Debates, John McCain, NoQuarter Radio
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Obama gaffe: ” I succeeded in a way I could not exceed anywhere else in this country.” He should have said “world,” not “country.” But then again, the world citizen probably views the world as his country. Why else does he desire to invade Pakistan unilaterally?
Maybe he was talking about the crooked Chicago machine. snark
Not that I want to jump the shark but I find it odd that ABCNews latest Poll of Presidential Candidates DOES NOT INCLUDE HISPANICS.
http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/PollTracker/fullpage?id=5611512
Explain to me why this Flash Model doesn’t have the Hispanic Vote.
Obama always ends on an egotistical, self-centered theme, about himself, his great (yawn) struggles about being raised by a PhD world traveling mom and bank vice president grandma, etc.
Yeah – how they had to use ‘food stamps’ to put food on the table. What’s a PhD mom and a vice-president of a bank grandma who lives in ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVES PLACES – not only in the country – but the WORLD doing using ‘food stamps’? I’ve come from VERY poor beginnings and NONE OF US have EVER been on ANY kind of welfare. I’ve always found his statements about his ‘poor me’ childhood extremely offensive!
Still, people will vote for him becasue he’s a ’smooth talker’ and ‘looks’ presidential (to them, NOT ME) – to heck with his shady background and his lack of experience.
I want proof of the food stamps.
I think food stamps a pretty much custom if there are alot of kids involved.
Following Obama’s recent dumb comment about small town Americans clinging to guns and religion, he defended himself by claiming that the notion of elitist is absurd because of his poor upbringing. He said that his mother was on food stamps, so how could he be an elitist in his upbringing?
Here is the Time article written by Joe Klein in 2006, long before Obama decided to run for president. Back then, he was seen as the rising star within Democratic Party, and he didn’t worry about critics breathing down his neck.
Here is the key excerpt from the article:
“For example, I was going to a fancy prep school, and my mother was on food stamps while she was getting her Ph.D.”
That is what Obama said. He went to a fancy private school that today costs $15,000 per yearr — and his mother was studying for a Ph.D.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1546302,00.html
Students often receive food stamps as part of the educational-financial-government-money package — doesn’t mean “they are poor.”
Re-reading the above, it occurred to me that a double-divorcee and her son, in these circumstances, were doing quite well — doing some dancin’ — but doing well — they certainly had futures.
It’s called ripping off the government. Obama’s mama lied about her income to get those food stamps. Same mentality of Obama and his chicaaaaago machine. You know, America OWES Obama [in HIS mind].
OBAMA’S MOTHER WAS GIVEN FOOD STAMPS AS PART OF HER GRADUATE SCHOOL PACKAGE,
BUT CHECK OUT THE YEAR SHE GOT THEM…1992
HE WAS GONE FROM HAWAII FOR 13 YEARS BY THEN AND OFF ON HIS OWN IN COLLEGE(S) AND JOBS SPONSORED BY BILLY AYERS
I actually don’t think he can separate reality from fiction, which is typical of Narcissistic Personality Disordered individuals such as he.
Jacques,
If I remember correctly, Sen Obama said that his grandmother was financially struggling as she raised him…
His grandmother was a bank vice president.
How much could she and Sen Obama’s grandfather have struggled financially?
I wish I knew more about his grandfather however, and why he moved his family around so much and what made him move to Hawaii.
Also, I would love to know the career path of two of the five most important women in Sen Obama’s life- his mother and grandmother.
His mom worked in microfinance positions (setting up banking infrastructure programs in asia inc. Indonesia, pakistan, and other countries. She had a Ph.D.
His grandmother was a bank VP.
Now, look at the time period we are talking about- the 1970’s-1990’s I think.
How unusual is it for women to be so well-educated and have accomplished so much in their lives yet…Sen Obama almost NEVER discusses these two remarkable women. Why not?
Learn more about Sen Obama’s mother:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524-2,00.html
By the way, what is a woman living on food stamps doing studying Russian in college. Read Time article. Sen Obama’s mother met Sen Obama’s bio dad during her first semester at the University of hawaii. Both were in the same Russian language class.
Truthteller, you will get a kick out of this!!!
Finally, finally on Fox News there is someone (Dick Morris, yuck) who is making the case that the problem with Barry’s association with William Ayers is because of the radical views on education that Ayeres espouses and the fact that Ayers put Barry in charge of the $50 million grant.
He is calling it “connections to radical policy”.
Finally, someone is talking about education and Ayers and Obama.
Bob Beckell & Dick Morris need to find new sewers to roam. Why does FNC keep inviting these creepy, slimy, bloated smelly things back to their shows? Who really wants to listen to those two bloated eels vomit on themselves again?
The Obama doctrine: “If we could have stopped Rwanda…That would be something we would have to strongly consider and act.”
“So when genocide is happening…and we stand idly by, that diminishes us.”
” And so I do believe that we have to consider it as part of our interests in intervening where possible.”
Translation: If people are being slaughtered, we can think about protecting them if it suits our interests other wise we might look bad.
Not exactly Churchillian! What a mealy-mouthed, namby-pamby!
McCain cleaned his clock!!!!
He hit knock-out after knock-out.
The “selected one” fizzled ha ha ha
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Who won? Vote
according to cnn, obama: 54-30
turn out the lights, john. it’s over…
According to CNN it is 100-0 ,always pro Obama and always non factual !
Ha ha ha – - Many more people watch FOX than CNN
FOX News poll
86% McCain
12% Obama
1% Undecided
Drudge= 66-30 McCain
Spare me.
‘Bama’s finished.
Ok. I guess you guys can quit registering dead people now….we give up.
Kenya’s calling. Get lost.
Nice to see you’re as dismissive and condescending as your candidate.
What else did you expect CNN to say Tool?
They have been on their knees for OBlama from the begining.
Of course they will say he won., They have a vested interest in him. THEY OWN HIM
Shouldn’t you be over at the HUFFO having an orgy with your leftist, radical friends?
Mack just gained 5% today…Barry’s chicken are coming home to roost!
i’ll donate 100 bucks to hillary if mcgrumpy gains three points in the next round of (post-debate) polls.
but i’ll bet he goes down.
your man’s toast.
No way no how no bama
I just went on the Drudge Report site.
Smack on top on the first page of the website is an attack ad against Sen McCain -Keating 5.
The embedded You Tube video ad is posted there on first page of website so it looks like an editorial or something like it until you read the small print on the bottom of the You Tube video where the teeny tiny print indicates that this is a paid ad.
My…how strategic…
McCain got stronger and stronger…great ending. McCain got some great punches in.
Did you watch McCain move through this? He looked as if he was in severe pain. He wasn’t walking well and it all seemed as if it was difficult and the talking was a struggle through the pain. I want this brave man as president.
I sooooooo wanted McCain to point his finger at BO and say ‘THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS!’
Palin will do that.
AGREE PALIN WILL DO IT. I thought Johnny Mac did something pretty interesting…He has got to have Barky confused by now. I also think that Folks will e talking about McCain and what he said about mortgages and small businesses…Once again the GOP is controlling the dialogue..Aaaaandif I hear another analyst say McCain “belittled Barky”…I think I will just projectile vomit…lol
All week long the GOP has controlled the dialogue…and I think they’ll control it next week too…Barky was laughable on Georgia…BTW
The way McCain talked about Pakistan and Afghanistan made Obama seem dangerous. Mac talked about using softpower as well as military power. He’s thought about all this.
Mac won second half of the debate.
McCain won he’s real, obama is a communist.
I live in a college town and most college students actually support Obama’s communist/socialist policy.
When i was in college (Warren Wilson, NC) kids were the same way. But pampered kids from wealthy white families, what do you expect. What i thought was strange, was that our own home-grown students were more revolutionary than most of our exchange students from abroad. Pretty white kid strikes again!
John McCain’s answer to the final question reminded me yet again (as if I need reminding) why I am voting for this honorable man. He’s a man I would be PROUD to call my president.
sorry to say – I think it was overall pretty dull. Format not good and Brokaw was a pussy.
McCain was good, but not what he needed to do – I don’t think this was a game changer.
I’m praying the GOP and other groups have some kick ass ads the next few days!
I agree. Unfortunately BHO has been working on his stuttering. McCain did not hit hard enough. Although it did seem that Obama had to defend himself alot more then McCain did.
We should get Palin to debate Obama.
Yep, I’d love that. She’s doing well on the stump. I watche dtoday how she kicked ass today when a heckler interrupted her. She said something along the lines:
“Bless your heart sir, for my son is now in Iraq to defend your freedom of speech”
And she didn’t even missed a beat.
slow and steady wins the race.
It was boring though.
Questions were awful.
The audience looked like a bunch of prisoners with guns to their heads when they stood up to ask questions.
When i was still in elementary school, i read a news story of a refrigeration plant in China that had the grave misfortune of attracting the government’s attention for inefficiency. The military executed 50 of the plants senior personnel in front of the watching workers, as a motivational lesson to improve productivity.
Having seen the format of tonight’s debate, the week questions, and Tom’s incompetence as a moderator, i can’t help but would have happened if this debate had been held in China too? Would some public execution improve future debates?
:=PJeremiah, I was watching the debate on C Span and I got a little annoyed (and I think so did the C Span camera person judging by how he/she tried to position the camera).
There was one women in the audience who sat to the left of the floor (closest to Sen obama) who kept smiling and nodding her head throughout the debate and the camera person was trying to portray objectivity so it appeared he/she went out of way to avoid capturing this woman’s face on tape however the angle was a tough one so this woman’s head nodding, and broad smiling almost every time Sen Obama spoke was a little annoying.
I wonder if she was a plant in the audience to make Sen Obama look good…like he had the audience’s full support and they were eating out of the palm of his hand…
I agree. I would have liked McCain to be a little more direct but I liked the concepts. Krauthammer thinks McCain won on points but loved the “hangrenades McCain launched inthe room” talking about the Mortgage help.
It was very FDR/Hillary and what McCain proposed almost 3 weeks ago the same day as Hillary did.
I want her as the Majority Leader in the Senate and McCain as Prez. McCain has nothing to prove so he will simply do the right thing and she would be there to see it through.
LA Musing,
I totally agree, it was BORING, AND THAT IS WHAT DRUDGE SAYS.
It was Brokaw that set the stage. He’s old and been out of the game too long.
I probably won’t watch the next one at all. Bob Schieffer is older than Brokaw. Who chose these old
liberal moderators, well old or black, Ifill would have been different if she had not been found out cheating about the book deal.
Go Sarah, I love her rallies, they are interesting.
She will kick Obama’s ass and win for McCain.
I would have preferred a less formalized “debate”. The questions were too not unexpected.
terrible
I can’t afford to move to Canada
but I may have to
McCain has just lost it.
dammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmit
Don’t be an Eeyore.
You are annoying in your negativity. So go to Canada already. Ugh.
I’ve been called worse.
but I’m not typical and usually not bitter
it’s an opinion (like everyone elses here)
Dawnelle….I think McCain won over grownups…and they out number cheetos…He was good tonight…
I think McCain won – but then I kept tuning the Barky parts out. My bad, but I just can’t stand him or his voice or his lies. LOL!
From Barky’s body language, it looked like he was pissed off. Some of you said that. So I guess so.
Drudge has McCain way ahead.
We use mute when barky speaks, can’t take it anymore.
McKatmoon,
We mute Barky too, can’t stand to hear him or see him. I can’t even say what I wish would happen to him but most of you know.
Well I suffered through Barky….Aaaand McCain won. It was that simple…
Barky said a couple of stupid things…a lot of BS…and a few scary things…
McCain was thoughtful…and for lack of a better term…a GROWNUP…
I listen on the radio. I agree that Obama was pissed — he was faced with someone who disagreed with him and who does not idolize him.
Since I grew up in Hawaii I can often recognize traces of words said in “da kine” way.
Obama started out trying to sound black — but a few words slipped out with as said (pronounced) in Hawaii.
Of course Obama lied — he always slips in that he was brought up less well off then was the reality. Mom on food stamps?? When the hell was that– probably only in his mind.
I missed the beginning of the debate — but McCain certainly won the second of.
McCain the Honu (turtle).
Obama the Peacock.
Yes, I’ve noticed that narcissists generally don’t handle that well:)
“That One”?? I thought Barky was supposed to be “The One”
I loved that line….
“That One.” I almost wet my pants.
It was perfect.
The far left and the msnbc/cnn talking heads are all bringing that up like it was disrespectful. But they didn’t say ONE DAMN WORD about BO calling Senator McCain “John” at the last debate.
I wish McCain WOULD have said THE ONE. That would have been hilarious!!
Go ahead, let go. Wet your pants. Believe me, I’m sure that’s what most of McCain’s advisors are doing tonight.
My very country grandma used to use to call people “that one” when she didn’t like them or was making fun of them. It was quite hilarious.
I’m sure somehow this will be spun into racism. I don’t know why or how, but I’m sure it will.
Nothing new or really very exciting. McCain is very strong and reliable. Obama wanders off into lala land.
This debate was terrible. I thought it would be in the format of the 1992 second debate (which I watched today on CSPAN, I forgot how good Bill Clinton was). Not a lot of audience reaction. Too much of the debate were like condensed campaign speeches, instead of real connection with voters. Neither McCain or Obama seem to speak compassionately about complex issues, the way Reagan, Bill, and Hillary are able to do.
I think one moment that will hurt Obama is when his ‘bomb Iran’ song insult on McCain backfired when McCain responded.
McCain was absolutely on his game. Wow. He didn’t let Obama get away with anything.
The Mac is back!
This sucks bigtime! The sponsorship of the debate formats must be taken away from the control of the two parties and the MSM monators dumped. They submitted the questions? What, we must take our election system away from the politicians….open and uncensored questioning with some guidelines, not this prepared and controlled corruptioon of the American election. Before we know it, voting will also be scripted! If I was was there I would have stood up and called this a farse, bullshit!
moderators
Steve, the campaigns have zero control over the debates. They can have some limited input, on rather they are sitting or standing, how long to answer questions, but its the debate commission who decides who moderates, the campaigns have no choice. They can ask for things, doesn’t mean they will get it.
Fox focus group in VA – they thought Obama won debate, but McCain won on the economy!! LOL!
They like that mortgage policy.
try again. luntz only asked for a show of hands from those who thought mccain won on the economy. he didn’t ask about obama. looked like maybe — MAYBE — a quarter voted for obama. i think luntz was afraid to ask for a show of hands for obama.
I loved the look on the Fox crew. They looked like they were at a funeral. the slow death of the McCain campaign. they knew what everyone else who watched the debate know. Obama won. Every major poll will show it because it was obvious. Not to the crazy folks here that I like to join every so often, but to the wider community. Get used to President Obama Sweeties.
I like the comparison of Obama’s statement that he thought health care was a right and McCain said it was a responsibility….I see 527’s all over that.
hey I used to live in Sorrysota!!
I like McCain and really like Palin but as a lifelong democrat I must say he is always on the wrong side of the issues. Still, I trust his honesty and Obama is republican lightweight so I’m for McCain but I wish tonight were stronger for McCain. On the trivial .. what was with the big zipper down the back of Michelle? The new skunk look?
Verminme,
I said the same thing about MO’s zipper to my husband.
I think it was a cheap piece of shit dress with a big old black woman’s ass stretchin it out and it shined like a new moon or a blue moon in Kentucky.
Hahahahahaha, it just kept on shinin hahahaha
These type of comments are unnecessary. Who cares what type of dress she had on? Remarks about her physique are also tasteless. We don’t talk about men this way, do we? Then why do we berate women for their clothes, hair, physical attributes or lack there of?
We need to be above this. I know there are other good and valid reasons to dislike MO. Remarks like this do not help our cause.
huge silver stripe down her back. she must be pushing the dress at the seams.
I avert my eyes when MEchille appears and I suggest you do the same in the future.
“I avert my eyes when MEchille appears and I suggest you do the same in the future.”
Are you comparing MEchille to Medusa?
I still say she looks like Aunt Esther from Sanford and Son…
I like the comparison of Obama’s statement that he thought health care insurance was a right and McCain said it was a responsibility….I see 527’s all over that.
I like the distintion.
Rights are defined by the Constitution.
Responsibilities are the moral obligations of a society to its members. I am far more comfortable with that approach.
More like the reverse: the moral obligations of a society’s members to it (and to themselves).
The townhall ‘debate’ format?
I’d prefer a root canal to sitting through a repeat of this episode this evening.
Who won?
If you’re a partisan watcher, you didn’t change your position tonight. You’re voting for your guy (or in my case my Chick) no matter what.
For the independent voters, if you weren’t snoring before the last 10 minutes of this “debate”, you were obviously doing something other than “watching” the “debate”.
The biggest winner tonight is Michelle Obama. If Obama is elected President, she’s going to run the country and train her husband at the same time.
Such blessings are just too much. Honestly, we really don’t want that kind of blessing.
What did we learn tonight?
The government invented the computer and Al Gore invented the internet. I love it when things are neatly packaged.
“Screened” American voters asking question is highly overrated. Not one of these people thought to ask about Tony Rezko, William Ayers, or anything else?? If the questions were “screened”, I would’ve just added the question.
Tom Brokaw is horrible without a teleprompter.
Michelle Obama is such an expert at the Presidency that Barack will ask her to help with his OTJ (On the Job) training. We’re all enthusiastic about this possibility, huh?? (You’re allowed to groan now!)
My concluding thought?
TIHS ELECTION SEASON CANNOT BE OVER SOON ENOUGH!
I hope you have an adequate bomb shelter as the bombs are about to drop on Obajesus’s sordid past. I see everyone is tired of this long ass campaign. Patience, Grasshopper.
I’m screwed, instead of building a bomb shelter I built a shed for the pink unicorn and rainbows 24/7 that Obajesus promised every American who jumped on his the hopey-changey bandwagon to Nirvana.
Republican Chick said “THIS ELECTION SEASON CANNOT BE OVER SOON ENOUGH,” and I would concur, since I still have a few patient family members and old friends who will still talk to me (Oborgs all), and by the time Nov. 4th rolls around, I will be all by myself with pee-stains on my underwear, waiting for the New Regime’s Thought Police to haul me away to The Facility where the nasty old PUMA thoughts are scrubbed away and replaced with Happy O-Rainbows and twittering cartoon Bluebirds of O-Happiness.
Or maybe they’ll just march me out behind the hopey-changey bandwagon and put a bullet through my head.
Rc…you have the best line of the night with Barky and Meeechelle…LOL…I think so many people expected McCain to attack extremely that it was kind of a let down for some…gloves off machismo…
I think McCain did 2 interesting things…GOP has controlled what people talk about ( mostly what is comin out of Palin’s mouth ) and he has got Barky wondering what he’s got to defend next…In other words John McCain is living rent free in Barky’s head…lol…and that is usually when opponents start to make big mistakes…Hmmmm….
No true words!
This election season cannot be over soon enough!
Obama is a bu** shi* artist. He reminds me of student’s answers to essay tests when they have absolutely no idea what the answer is so they bu** shi* and go on and on and on and on.
That should read —
No truer words.
Yep, complete shuck and jive.
I agree. This was not really a debate. and it was not the town hall format I was expecting. I have seen Johnny at one of his town halls and he is really great at answering questions, even from detracters (sp?). A big disappointment. maybe it will be better on the second viewing, but I learned nothing.
Brokow: This is a “yes” or “no” question
obi: blah blah blah blah blah blah LIE blah blah blah blah blah LIE blah blah blah blah hope blah blah blah blah blah change blah blah blah blah LIE blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah “me, me, me” blah blah blah blah blah blah blah LIEblah blah blah blah blah blah blah and on and on and on, yet NEVER said “yes” or “no” or even answered the question asked!!
HE should be “fined” for breaking the rules over and over!
First laugh I have had since the start of the debate. Thanks, so much.
So funny. Thanks
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I thought it was pretty even, except for where McCain tied Obama to Fannie and Freddie. But he needed to do more. He needed to tell how Obama still thinks giving mortgages to people who cannot afford them is a “good idea”.
Obama had another “I have a badge too!” moment when said to the Navy Chief “I also respect your service”.
Coming from Obama it sounds so lame.
as we say in Texas…Sheeeit! Barky spent 1/2 the debate either repeating a variation of what John McCain said or agreeing with him…Just like with Hillary…Grrrrrr!!!!
Brokaw was a jellyfish
I wish McCain had been more forceful
WE know that OVomit is a lying sack of shit but if Mccain treats him like an honorable opponent…….
OVomit will lie through his teeth and be the creep he is
He MUST be destroyed
McCain cannot allow him to run roughshod, which is, sadly, what I think Obama did
Obama did not look or sound Presidential. I think the regular people will sense that he is not ready to be the President. I really hope so…
Mac seemed a bit nervous when the debate began…his breathing was very audible in the microphone. He seemed to loosen up as things went along. I thought he finished strong.
Barky has obviously gotten some coaching and is channeling Hillary on his health care stuff.
The one thing that stood out to me was when nobama said something about our youth having to become involved in the military!? Is he referring to some sort of youth para-military organization?
He already has his
HitlerObama Youth program… it’s very creepy with suggestions like “take your parents to the polls to have them vote for you” and “have Obama sleep over parties”…Good article on it on Riverdaughter’s Confluence site yesterday
I smell the Obama draft coming. Y’know four years of service to The One.
Obama has said there should be a civilian security service, as large and as funded as the military, to tend to our security needs at home.
There are videos on You Tube, and maybe a link around here, too.
He wants his own army, I think.
He scares me more than any politician in this country ever has.
I listened to the debate during big chuncks of it to see if I would interpret it differently. The questions were stale; the answers were ones that I had heard before.
Obama seemed to decide to ignore the clock and talk and talk and talk…
McCain had better release the “WHITEY” tape right away or he’s going to loose this due to the economy.
I think they both were cautioned about the clock. You are also right, McCain needs the whitey tape now. Come on its October. By the way, if there is no tape released before election day will those of you who spouted hatred at Michelle Obama apologize?
Was I the only that had trouble posting comments during the debate?
“We don’t have time for job training”
Yeah, that worked well for Clinton.
I am also core Dem, Clinton supporter but will vote for MCain because we see a player in Soetoro. Off subject, but man, Rev Manning is on to something when he says, Michelle looks like, King Kong’s baby sister! That is a manish looking lady!
LOL, King Kong’s baby sister! I need a laugh:) ty. But he is right lol.
In my view it was a Brokaw 0 and my initial gut take is somewhat equal result. Almost changed that as I see and hear Gov. McCaskill on Fox. She is as or more irritating than Obama. On second thought, I give this to McCain because of the spinners–any will do.
I can’t help it, but is it only me? Doesn’t McCaskill look like a porrly made-up Drag Queen?
She looks like someone who has sold their soul on Ebay and Lucifer himself was the highest bidder. I hope she likes wearing asbestos clothing and toasting marshmallows at the big BBQ down under.
I don’t think there is anything McCain can do at this point. This townhall format clearly worked in Obama’s favor because the questions were all talking points questions that we’ve heard over and over again.
McCain attacked BO yesterday but didn’t use tonite’s debate to go after him. Barry is a soulless looking person–there’s no there there. I think McCain should win just for being in the same room with such a non-entity who lies like he breathes and not getting violently ill.
WOW McCain won hands down and every channel has independents saying it was Obama. Am I on magic mushrooms or something??
Style…..he’s more fluid. Content….McCain won.
McCain lost the election tonight A. He did OK. You can tell he feels MUCH more comfortable on foreign policy. McCain’s time was eight year ago when national security was at the forefront. He and his cohorts most definitely have no clue on the economic issues. He should have chosen Romney instead of going for the gimmicks. Judgement… he’s history.
You don’t raise taxes on business during a severe financial crisis. He knows more than Obama.
John is right on that issue.
Dead wrong on the Healthcare issue. McCains plan is a mess. Even he can’t articulate it with any coherence.
Wow giving up so soon on the taxes issue? LMAO. You got punked Obot.
Having healthcare is not a right. Only in a socialist country and the US is not one … unless BO can get in the WH that is.
It’s irrelevant really at this point. My candidate got elected tonight. The voters will prove who got punked while you’re LYAO. lol
Sorry to burst your bubble McBush, but I work in healthcare and I process this stuff everyday. As much as everyone wants a national healthcare, it will not work and will result in less doctors, substandard healthcare for all. I know that my doctor has already said that should Obama become president, he is retiring and so are many of his partners. They said they can’t afford to practice under Barky. And they won’t give out substandard healthcare, and let the government dictate what can be covered and what can’t be like it is with Medicare. McCain is right on healthcare, not Obama.
BARKY ! that is the best name for ol’ O’Drama, Obamba, NoBama, especially when his first name is BARRY, JUST PUT A “K” AND YOU’VE GOT BARKY OR AN “F” AND YOU GOT O’BARFY.
FLUSH O’BARKY!
Who wants a whiny baby as a president anyway? He cries racism for anything that doesn’t go his way.
Except I noticed he does a lot of crank, he’s really pencil thin–and that’s coming from a skinny chick like me. the ONLY way he’s so pathetically thin is HE’S DOING DOPE. I’m surprised no one is noticing that.
Well tell your doc to prepare his retirement plans. There will be plenty to replace him. And fortunatley the world will go on.
hey McPuss,
healthcare is not a RIGHT, not in the USA’s constitution. But it is a right and responsiblity for each person to take care of their own health.
for example, you might try taking care of your mental health since you are truly delusional!
FLUSH OBAMBA!
lol lol MOANiqueI saw McCain flatline on that issue. Since this is a Democracy the voters will decide.
Obama has promised all of the things most of us want. He won’t be able to deliver, even if the Dems have the majority. The coffers are empty.
National policy was not at the forefront 8 years ago. It was prior 9/11. and this will be a referendum on Obama. The same thing it started out as. I am not sure who will win, but if I go by polls I would say McCain. republicans are never as far down in a poll as they are protrayed to be, ever. There is a lot of poll cooking to try to suppress republican vote. Republicans learned their lesson in 2000. And Zogby is the only one that got it right in 2004. he has obama up 2. Its going to be close.
Referendum on Obama?? That ship has sailed Linda. This is a refendum on the economy and MAC just doesn’t have a clue.
Bshit Obot. Raising taxes would be the death to the US right now. Obama is wrong on the economy.
How many budgets has Obama ever done…oh right..none. His vast experience would truly be helpful in running the biggest economy in the world. He still needs training wheels.
McCain certainly had a clue about the economy when he was telling everyone years ago that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac needed regulation. Obama just had his hand out accepting more bribes..um I mean contributions from them.
The same as McDumbo.
Who is McDumbo? You?
Here’s McCain’s Saryah moment.
Question: Priortize the following issues in order of importance that you would do in your first term as President given the current state of the economy.
1-Healthcare 2- Energy 3- Entitlments
Answer: We could do em ALL!!!
lol lol lol 700 billion dollar bailout, Trillions in debt. Great answer!! lol lol lol
Bulls—.
McCain won. And in less than 30 days, we will finally be done with the “Obama show” that’s been playing on virtually every network nonstop for almost two years.
Thank God.
Why are you bots here tonight? I’d think if that’s really what you believe, you’d be throwing a party in celebration. But every time, you come here in an attempt to discourage and lie. Go away and examine your navel some place else. You are about as interesting as watching paint dry.
McBush, you might want to do a little research on the economy Romney was in charge of in Massachusettes. He did not do Massachusettes well. The only reason the media claims Romney is some economic whiz is his pulling it out for the olympics and because he was a business man.
But he did NOT turn the economy around for the state he governed. Huckabee, however, DID for his state of Arkansas.
As for economics, Obama knows nothing, period, end of story. And your igornance of economics is showing. You’re just parroting what the media believes.
My point Mona, is that somehow you and NQ have convinced yourselves that Sayrah was the “answer”. But she was a gimmick when Grandpa Mac needed substantive help bolstering his obvious economic shortcomings. Bit you right in the ASS.
Didn’t you just post this same comment the other day?
My spouse and I were saying the same thing. Bo did nothing to impress yet they all said he won. What do they know that we dont? Bo was getting on my nerves and he did not care one hoot that there was a time limit. he acts just like a spoiled little brat who always gets his way. Someone needs to stand up to the bully!
“What do they know that we don’t”. Nothing. They just don’t despise him like we do.
The standards and quality in what we expect a leader to sound like was severaly lowered by Dubya, so the media nitwits, when compared to Bush, think Obama is a great orator. America has successuflly dumbed down our politicians.
Nope.
You were on networks that love Obama and don’t bother to hide their partiality.
The networks don’t represent the majority of voting Americans – thank God.
Yeah mushrooms or something. Obama clearly won and its not just us Obots or whatever the hell you like to call us who believe that.
Personally, we did not learn much more than we heard in the first debate. I thought TB should have asked more personal questions. I was disappointed that McCain could not/ did not/ find an opening to expose Obama and his vile associations and his connections with Acorn.
So it was okay…we needed more than okay. So maybe next time.
It’s coming. They’ll open the door tomorrow night on Hannity. Mac and Sarah will be on with him.
Seems kind of cowardly to not say these terrible things to his face when you get a chance?
I thought it was decent, I mute when O speaks, as have heard it all before, did enjoy o being caught over and over going on and on, other than that, I don’t think it changed anyone’s mind, but did solidify votes for McCain.
I didn’t get to watch the debate. When I walked in the door, I asked my husband if I should watch the re-run and he said I’d probably have more fun reading an IRS manual. I gather it was real snoozer?
You know what’s probably wrong? We just had exciting debates with Hillary and a fabilous debate with Sarah Palin. Women are the life of the party. Take them out of the equation and everything becomes flat and boring, LOL.
Keep the faith people. Old age an treachery beats youth and a big mouth everytime.
I think McCain was not able to convince that tax cuts and smaller government would be the only way out of our financial crisis. He said it many times but in a tepid kind of way.
Obama was at the top of his form. A very good communicator. He was wrong but was strong in the way he approached his wrong answers.
Of the 90 minutes, mostly 88 were wasted. The last two minutes turned out to be imo the most important.
Obama said clearly that he is intended in changing the country. Not government, not policy but the country. Obama insinuated that we would need to accept the painful prescriptions he will throw at us.
McCain on the other hand simply said he will give us more of the same. The same America we love and know and are bless with, he will keep it for us and for our children.
Again Obama will change our country into one we will not be able to recognize. Unfortunately I think that’s what probably a large group of people here would want. Many others that will be voting for Obama, they can’t read between the lines, so they will be caught by surprise.
God save America. Nothing else will.
Yeah…I noticed that too. McCain kept telling folks to look at their records…translation go to the internet and find out yourself…If folks do that then they know how to compare…I thought him saying that Barky votes with his party was telling…Because even staunch democrats are disgusted with Pelosi et al…
All in all it was pretty staid…and the ONLY NEW POLICY ADDITION WAS MCCAIN’S…SO FOLKS WILL BE TAKING ABOUT THAT
I feel like McCain got some good shots in, but overall, it was steady. We already know everything, and most of us are not undecided voters. We made up our minds.
So, these debates, without fireworks, are sort of …meh.
the debate was BORING. McCain ended strong.
its clear mccain didn’t want to unleash the ammo today – i think he is saving that for the 527s
He had no chance. The format did not allowed it. The format was quite rigid and veering into personal insinuations would not have been advisable.
I agree.
Obama didn’t answer the question about what he would do if Iran attacked Israel. He just spewed his crap about diplomacy w/Iran. The question was about Iran attacking Israel. I know he always dodges the questions, but that one bothered me.
He said he would not take anything off the table. Which is more of the same answer. Idiotic.
He said he would not defent Israel is what he said. A strong ally of the the U.S. But he will attack Pakistan. That should scare any jewish person. And everyone else for that matter.
McCaskill, I can’t help it, but is only me? Doesn’t she look like a poorly made up drag-Queen?
Yes, McCain was cheated out of even one townhall, a format in which he excels.
And I can’t stand to look at Barky’s face anymore. I hate myself for watching. I broke my own vow not to look at or listen to him since June 3.
This thing was boring.
“The one thing that stood out to me was when nobama said something about our youth having to become involved in the military!? Is he referring to some sort of youth para-military organization?”
That comment stood out for me also and I wondered the same thing. What is he talking about?
All in all, I thought by the end of the debate McCain had done better primarily because he can be brief and Obama was a none stop talker. what does it take to shut the guy up? Brokow should have cut him off.
Oh, but if Brokaw cut Barky off he would have then been labeled a “racist.”
Very good point. I noticed it but I didn’t make the connection with the Obama youth. Good catch. That’s what we will get. A new youth para-military making certain racist people pay the price and pay retributions.
His program isn’t just for youth. We all, regardless of gender or age will be given “volunteer” duties. hahahaha. Just try it Barky Boy. I’m not doing anything for you. Could be the Civilian Defense Corp will be for youth. Like Hitler.
as an immigrant from a communist country
the “shadow civilian army”
and now all these new concepts of people volunteering and creating a double civilian watch force
it is the most scariest thing
and by the way, most of you have seen the 2 videos
with the young children choir
and the one with the black young men aligned and screaming: obama helps me become ….engineer, architect, entrepreneur …..marching, chanting …
and this is not even an appetizer or a taste
mao is a little kid ….the khmer rouge r closer
unfortunately the only gaffe I saw, from both, was John McCain say Obama supports nuclear fuel re-use. I think he meant that he didn’t.
There were very few new points made, and both of them repeated the same words from the first debate, which was much better than this one. The newest idea was McCain’s mortgage idea. Loved that one.
Policy focus only. John was careful to not be too forceful, and no fireworks on character issues.
I thought it was a waste of time to watch, frankly, and neither of them looked good. Obama stumbled over his words in that painful manner of his. John repeated himself too often.
I give them both a C.
I had class and did not get to see the debate. However, driving home after class, people were phoning in to the local talk-radio station (more liberal than conservative)and they all felt that McCain did better. One caller said that Obama seemed distracted and
off-topic, while McCain was more focused.
Just a little perspective from Austin.
all the folks in the press are focusing on a death blow. For Mac to attack obama in this setting ferociously would have been a deathblow to him.
He needs to boost his support on the economy.
He also stuck obama several times. When he asked obama what the fine for his healthcare would be he admitted there would be a fine but not the amount. Mac shot back,”did he say how much the fine is?
Really it was a crappy townhall. They may as well just had a normal debate.
I think mccain set the message right though. He cleaned obama’s clock on taxes. His Mortage plan is smart. If we do not find a bottom in the housing market, the bottom will fallout everywhere else as well.
Overall i think he did good. I also think he did not need to destroy obama. He caught him with alot of good shots and made the case he is a steady guide for the coutry. His closing statement was also extremely touching.
A stark contrast from obama who always says he knows best.
Mccain admitted to relying on others help and love and courage of americans.
Mccain did a good job. Obama lied several times.
I think you are right. It was Brokaw who picked the safe boring questions. It wouldn’t surprise me if a few million people hit the remote because its something they’ve heard before.
I agree with the way you see it. Thanks for that good assessment.
This was my take too, Paul. there really were no openings for McCain to fire any heat seeking missiles, and Brokaw made sure of that by picking some of the most pedantic questions ever.
That has got to be one of the most boring debates I’ve ever watched. What a waste of 2 hours.
I REALLY wanted to see a confrontation about Ayers and Wright. I guess that’s Barracuda Sarah’s job.
Like I said we have to take the debate sposorship away from the two parties. An independent Commission where its members are voted upon by each state?? Something which will give the people more control? We need to do away with corporate MSM moderators, yes sometype of guideline for questions but no more censorship! This was a farse!
I hate to say this, Tom Brokow retired from NBC and has been some kind of senior advisor.It was a terribel debate, not because of answers, but because of the questions. They were nothing but campaign talking points. McCain would have been better off if he just held one of his own townhall meetings. Don’t count McCain out yet. The 527’s, the RNC and McCain’s real attack adds are just starting.
Obama’s position on Pakistan alone makes him wholly unelectable. Evidently “Change” is a code word for taking the unprecedented step of invading a country with the bomb. Since I’m still young enough to be of military use and have regional language skills and expertise, an Obama presidency virtually ensures my next vacation will land me somewhere in the vicinity of Waziristan. Cheers.
Right. That is very stupid of Obama to say he will do whatever he would please in the open knowing full well that Pakistan can use atomic weapons against Afghanistan and Iraq.
Yup….he cases on Bush for a preemptive war.
While demanding he can do the same in a country with nukes.
Uh oh on the forced vacation…but it fits in with Michelle’s warning about never being able to return to your comfy life as you know it.
Boring!!!!
You need help. Obama is so full of it, it makes me ill. Obama will change things toward socialism and communist goon squads. He did not look Presidential at all.
Oh I would pay good money that I don’t have to watch Palin debate the Fraud King. She would devour him and spit out the bones… delicately and with a smile of course!
LOL Freudian slip
Best part: McCain shaking hands and patting the back of the military gentleman to thank him for his service- that was very touching to me. Anyone happen to catch Obama when he spoke about his mom and her cancer?, with all due respect, – he made a remark that attested to the fact she was denied coverage and passed on without assistance, he placed an indirect word towards the incompetency of hospitals. As an anthropologist, would she have had been previously covered?; he said she was on food stamps- which was is it- that was confusing. I also noticed his words about Africa and setting up a system of rewards- now how would he know that without being there?
That was very funny…he didn’t even visit her on her death bed?
Not funny at all. That issue of his mother fighting with the insurance company for coverage was probably what threw Barry way to the left, socialist and communist forever. He was obviously traumatized by it. He repeats it and repeats it. He will never forgive them. And if he gets to be President, he will destroy them.
What threw Barry to the left is being a straw man for Bill Ayers and the socialists who have set him up to run for President. Did you see Hannity’s America on Sunday Night? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TAnDcQyjA&feature=related
In those days, it is true that people would need to argue with their insurance company about coverage even when they were in the hospital. The admissions process and other things were not like today. They would literally throw you out if you couldn’t get your insurance to pay. Today is different. The hospital deal directly with the insurance company.
I THOUGHT THE BEST PART WAS MCCAIN’S LEAP so that Brokaw could read his script…Guy’s in great shape…I’m just sayin’….Sry…is that word still in the english language?
No big surprises…no clear winner. I thought McCain was more consistent and came across as a strong leader…much more so than “That One”. Of course the talking heads are saying “That One” was the winner.
WE WILL REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER!
McCain/Palin ‘08 Country First
The “liberal media” spin begins:
Obama Leaves Nashville Intact
McCain spent much of the evening trying to define Obama on his terms, but never broke all the way through.
Mark Halperin’s grades:
Obama: B+
McCain: B
thepage.time.com/2008/10/07/game-on-20/
They are shameless. You tell mccain ‘never broke all the way through’ by the way obama kept saying ‘let me answer that tom’ in desperate attempt word fog away points mccain made.
Brokaw did a lousy job picking the questions and moderating the debate. this debate was a real snoozer, so of course it helps Obama (the media will say), because McCain did not turn into the Incredible Hulk and bust up the place. The whole contrivance of the townhall format completely squelched any chance to get to know these candidates. It was all policy wonk crap that we have heard a million times before. At one point I thought Obama was just reciting random parts of his campaign website. McCain got in a couple jabs, but did not hit a knock out punch.
Obama did get all flustered when he petulantly demanded a response and then started describing himself as green behind the ears. Did he just mention his ears? Lord, what a doofus! McCain should have said, “Well, Senator, I never criticized your ears, just your fondness for earmarks.” Unfortunately, McCain missed a lot of opportunities to slam Obama with some humor and wit.
the last question was the best
mccain ended on a great note:
while BO had the same old pathetic stuff: michelle told him, mom died of cancer, food stamps ……….
Obama was calm and cool because he had nothing to prove. Although McCain’s delivery was lacking as usual, he was surely more substantive in my book and kept ‘the one’ on the defensive.
Early on, I thought McCain was very effective in pointing out why we have the sub-prime collapse and how Mr. I-do-not-accept-contributions-from-lobbyists received more money from his buddies at Fannie & Freddie than any other congressman after being there 3 short years.
I agree with old Shiefer, there was no winner on substance, and tomorrow all we will hear about is how disrespectful McCain was toward Obama. They have already set the stage for that. Myself, I don’t think it’s possibile to be disresectful to Obama. He doesn’t have any respect coming.
Does anyone know if the author, Corsi, is on a plane bound for the U.S. yet? Apparently he has quite the bombshell about Obama to drop when he gets back! Just didn’t know if the Kenyan authorities released him yet.
they will release him as soon as they are done working him over.
he is off to london. without problems
Yikes! I don’t think I’d be getting on any airplane when I have info that could possibly bring down BO. If he does have a bombshell to drop, you know his cousin has given The One a heads up, so they’re prepared and expecting it…..should his plane not crash on the way home.
He has been deported. I suspect he will be back in the US in the next day or so.
What is it Corsi has to say? I have been hearing bits and pieces about this author and his release and his flight.
oooo. does he have the whitey tape?
hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
f-ing losers…
No, that tape is running a loop inside Michelle’s head.
Please bring the October suprise I can not take Obama or his horrible wife
I agree with Tricia. McCain better bring out the October surprises NOW or he will lose! Come on, McCain, the time is now. We want you to win, but you have to help yourself here!
Obama probably had the questions in advance!! Brokaw is an obama supporter along with the rest of nbc, msnbc, cnn!!!
i know! obama was toooo good.
obama is never good. slick and verbose, but never good.
McCain definitely won. He answered the questions, and gave honest concise answers.
Obama couldn’t wait to attack and lie. And barely answered questions, but continuously would give a full stump anytime he got a question.
And some, Obama even didn’t answer the question he was too busy reapeating the problem or attacking McCain. I was so sick of him.
That poor guy who asked what he got out of this bail out never got an answer from Obama. OOPS. I guess that mean, NOTHING buddy!.
Not Good:
Political Wire: McCain “Extremely Erratic” Obama Was “More Substantive… Was More Presidential”
Washington Post: McCain Seemed Very “Self- Conscious”
Andrew Sullivan: “This Was… A Mauling”
NY Times: Obama More “Forceful On Foreign Policy”
FoxNews: “McCain did’t deliver…”
Did Sully post that comment about mauling from his basement sling?
yeah, i know what you’re saying. he’s totally gay!
Nothing wrong with being gay, he’s just a whacko slut obsessed with Trig Palin, for some sick reason. Look up Milky Loads, it’s not for the faint of heart.
But they don’t tell you that Obama was wrong and will move the country towards catastrophe and McCain will give us more of the same America, lovely and strong and faithful and a glimmer of hope and good and charity towards all. That is what they don’t tell you. Why?
Because they are crazy to see America loose its luster.
Oh, come on now! Did you really expect these losers to be objective about the debate?
I thought it was obvious by now that the MSM lost their reputations & credibility a LOOOONG time ago.
JESS! Is that you? Get off the computer, brush your teeth and get into bed.
Obama answered the question on how the bailout affects people better.
Other than that one question, it was his same ole stump stuff.
He sounds so slick. But if you think about the ideas, they won’t work.
which ideas don’t work?
Health care costs reduced by changing lifestyle habits? oh please…that’s dumb.
Computerized medical records? How bout 10 years.
Raising taxes on business now? Horrible.
Neither of them answered another question. Where’s the money to fund this new effort in Afghanastan?
fair enough…
Bedtime, Jess.
The insurrection strategy that Gen. Patreus follows does not cost any more than what’s being spent now. Is done by changing how they deal with the residents of those areas.
The money comes from revenues from energy taxes.
The media is attacking the “that one” comment- how are they spinning this???
Eaxactly how is “that one” a smear?
Pleas explain this to me. I do no not see the smear!
It was dismissive.
The media is attacking the “that one” comment- how are they spinning this???
Eaxactly how is “that one” a smear?
Please explain this to me. I do no not see the smear!
Let me get this straight; McCain wants the US government to purchase all of the bad mortgages out there, increase defense spending, stay in Iraq, go to war for Israel and cut taxes across the board. The US government just announced that the deficit this year was almost 500 billion $ this year. What is it going to be if McCain becomes President? 1 trillion $ a year?
Obama won the debate.
Hey troll, you did not get it straight but Obama alreadyt has you spewing lies huh?
You want to save a trillion but loose 20 trillion in world economic depression and loose your freedom and liberty and become completely indigent like Zimbabwe?
America is what keeps the world free.
Idiot.
This debate was better than Tylenol PM. I think I even saw Brokaw put his head on his desk and take a time out while Obama was speaking about who knows what, giving one of his long non-answers.
Boy you people like the crap and the spewing of dirt and do not listen do you, the game changer was suttley injected tonight by McCain, was no one listening during the bailout?
McCain dropped a new program tonight to fix the mortgage problem along |Hillary’s lines with the buyout and renegotiations of certain troubled mortgages.
But everyone wanted to simply hear smear and ignored what will start steamrolling tomorrow in the media!
I posted 3 times on it. That was a winner idea.
Yes, I definitely heard that!
It has potential. I don’t like it but I accept it could work.
Yep, it’ll be all over the wires tomorrow.
I totally agree with you Mel. I caught the same thing and thought it must of really threw barfy for a loop. It’s funny how no one listens. It’s an important proposal. Mccain was strong and steady tonight. He answered the question and barky roamed as usual.
All the idiot pundits want to talk about is how Mccain didn’t deliver some magic line to get the poles going in his favor. Like he is some type of animal who needed to perform a trick for everyone. Bunch of morons!
Let’s face it: most of us on here are not fully satisfied.
Because we know the rotten truth about Obama, most on here pratically wanted to see McCain punch Obama in the face on national television.
It’s frustrating to see such an inexperienced, sleazy, crooked presidential candidate get a free ride from the MSM while the more decent, wise & experienced candidate gets crapped on.
Which is why it will be EXTREMELY important for us – the people – to get the truth out to the mainstream public about Obama before it’s too late. And stop waiting on the MSM to do it.
That’s because you haven’t had dessert yet. Tune into Hannity tomorrow night.
I’m having a tasty morsel right now on Greta about the bust at Las Vegas ACORN office. 90,000 registered in Nevada…some play for the Dallas Cowboys.
Ah, good. None of them made it to the voter lists. The Registrar of Voters thought they looked a little strange.
BTW for the Bots, ACORN voter registration workers get $8./hr. I’d ask for a raise if I were you.
We all know the problem. Nobama is always a better talker, while John McCain is a better doer, for we know What Nobama Talks, Nobama never will do.
This was a very slow, non active debate.
Obama was good on healthcare issues, Mackie good on security and even on economy.
The ending statement was definitively a win for Mackie and the Israel issue, a no contest win for Mackie. In fact, Nobama was even diplomatically legally evasive in his answer.
Did you hear Nobama say that he would not have time on his first term for finishing or following through a specific policy?.
How humble of him!!!!
Still, I had to drink coffee.
I hope the next one, both should put on their gloves.
I don’t think either of them won either debate, frankly.
It’s just a balanced way to get the gist of both of their platforms, minus their spin, and helps voters decide.
Anyone undecided at this stage is not about “liking.” There is some policy sticking point that is making them uncomfortable.
Between a rock and a hard spot…..
What I learned from the debate according to Obama
A bunch of government people invented the computer.
Health Care is a Right.
We must bomb Pakistan and kill Bin Laden without finding him first.
Israel should not expect our help if attacked by Iran
Obama still has not said where the money is coming from to do all he plans
Obama will stop the war in Iraq, but move all our troops to Pakistan and Afghanistan thereby starting his own war, a new one not the old tired one that Bush has our military at now…Obama’s war.
We must make Obama President so he can continue on his American dream, give him my vote for his dream not ours.
please cut and paste obama’s quote about this subject:
“We must bomb Pakistan and kill Bin Laden without finding him first.”
HERE:
You know, the way O-BOMB-A controls the MSM, I believe he will be able to do that once elected. They will report anything he wants them to say that his administration accomplished. It will be worse than Hussein’s Bagdad Bob…remember him?
Here’s what I learned according to Obama…
I agree with John McCain on almost everything even if I sound like I don’t…And everything that is wrong with America is John and Georges fault…
Oh and I don’t have any real ideas because I don’t have to…
Here’s what I learned according to McCain…
I believe in America…and it is dangerous to let little boys play president…
McCain got his butt kicked! Obama wins it all. It’s over.
Another Obama tactic. Rigging dem polls and telling everyone “its over”.
This, like so many other tired, recognizable, repetitious tactics are old.
Three weeks ago, McCain was ahead and he will be again. The world can be in a state of war in 24 hours. And you don’t think a month is long time?
It ain’t over until its over.
Another Obama tactic. Rigging dem polls and telling everyone “its over”.
This, like so many other tired, recognizable, repetitious tactics are old.
Three weeks ago, McCain was ahead and he will be again. The world can be in a state of war in 24 hours. And you don’t think a month is a long time?
It ain’t over until its over.
Yes. I’m wondering when the OBorg will start screaming that we Do The Math, and start up the endless drumbeat for McCain to simply concede before the election. Just like Hillary. Time to trot out the same “It’s over” meme. Remember Obama has never attained his offices through a fair election. The only way he “wins” is by getting himself virtually uncontested on the ballot. Hence, it must be time to have McCain declared mentally unfit (as the lowlifes constantly insinuate) or get the OBorg to scream enough times that it’s over in order to clear the field for the least qualified candidate of all time. I’m surprised Nancy Pelosi isn’t promising to get the electoral college to vote before the election or she’ll do it herself.
You know it’s over when Fox news isn’t even trying to hide the Obama bias anymore. They have apparently crossed over into the dark side as well.
I know.
John McCain was much better this time around, but it really was a draw.
The format sucked. I expected spontaneous questions from the gallery – not a bunch of robotic questions that were borring and drab.
Mc got in some valid points about Yobama’s record and spending, but I am afraid most folks were more impressed with Yo’s smooth talk…….
Jim, I agree content wise no clear winner. Stylistically, McCain loses hands down. I just don’t think he gets it. Or maybe he was just feeling the pressure. Polls tomorrow won’t be his friend.
Someone on another blog said that he wished we could go “back to the future” and keep BO’s daddy from “messing” with his mother so there would never have been Barky and saved us all a lot of pain and boredom now.
im surprised no one noticed that barky basically said he would get involved militarly in central africa or did i hear it wrong.
Yes he did say that and I got the impression that Obama is willing to start a war of his own, just as its his war.
Whatever happened to bringing the troops home, stopping the war now am here putting more troops somewhere else.
People are all up in arms with Bush on the war but do they really listen to what Obama is saying, he is talking about war also just in many other different places.
he also wants to increase the peace corps numbers. he never answered that question either. It had something to do with what he would do to help americans and he came up with the peace corps. Nothing against the PC but why does he want all of our people to go help other countries before we help ourselves.
I think many of the people at the forum were so bored they had no idea who won so they just voted with the majority.
He also wants to increase the military and the only way I know that can be done effectively is by having a draft, all this PC and community service that he keeps talking about people better try and understand this, it sure is strange coming from a man that was slamming Hillary on the war in the primaries.
Still wanting to help the Kenyan cuz.
Yes he did.
My brother spent time in Central Africa trying to assess how to deal with the crap like Darfur.
We can’t. There is not enough support world wide to deal with Sudan. If we put soldiers in Darfur it is next to impossible to supply them. Stratecically we would be in a terrible fix and the loss of thousands of men and women would achieve nothing unless we force a regime change. But to do that we must recognize that the Arabs & Islam is the problem there. And we damned well better have a clue how to replace an African government. The tribal issues are huse and nearly insurmountable.
As much as we dislike the Iraq war–it made several strategic changes in the Middle East. We cannot undo Iraq we must deal with the mess we have there now. Stabalizing the country is paramount.
The lesson we must learn is when we commit troops the whole nation must be committed and we do so with Overwhelming force on the ground.
i know you guys like to stick to your guns, but even you have to be worried right now. not one person tonight has been able to say anything in Mccain’s defense, even conservatives are saying it’s over.
I’m still seeing tightening in the polls today, so I’m not sure why they are saying it’s over. I’m also seeing a huge proportion of undecides for this time of the year.
So I don’t get the “it’s over.”
I think it is over. I am preparing myself for defeat. It is so sad. Obama is such a bad man. I don’t know. I really think it is over.
This is far from over.
It isn’t over until the fat lady sings, and that’s isn’t until Nov. 4th.
Go, McCain/Palin
I don’t know what conservatives you are talking about, because I have quite a few conservative friends and they love McCain/Palin.
People are always counting Mac out. Big mistake. Ask Romney, Guilliani, Thompson, Huckelbee and those evil bastards in the MSM.
I don’t have time for naysayers they are frequently wrong and never the ones to get anything done. This “its over” narrative won’t stop Mac.
Many Hillary supporters are stronger this time around. This is deja vu for us.
We heard this same ignorant s— you posted above being said about Hillary during the primary. The stupid MSM kept counting her out of every state. Claiming that she would lose every state that she won. Had the DNC not cheated for Obama, she would have already been our Democrat nominee.
The tactics being used by the MSM now against McCain are exactly the same. They’re trying to mind-f— the public, discourage them from voting on Election Day. Making them feel like everything is hopeless, Obama is inevitable, don’t bother fighting, blah, blah, blah. Psychological games.
That’s why I stopped watching the bastards.
Geez, can’t you just go vote for Bob and leave us alone? What’s it to you?
I liked Rove’s assessment tonight about how debates never give a knock out punch they just draw out the issues. Mac and Sarah will pounce on the economic plan for the bailout and take on the terrorist friends. Hannity gave a clue tonight, asking the Obama doughboy if Obama had ever met Farrakhan personally…going to the million man march and all. The newest dodge is “You’re an anti-Semite.” Never could get where that came from but does it matter? We’re racists and hate Jewish people too.
The one question I have for Barky is: How is he going to pay for everything he’s proposing? With Soro’s money or what? Or maybe some of his billionaire terrorist buddies will pay the tab. I sure hope people are not buying into his health plan. There is NO MONEY for that now. Nothing he’s proposing will take affect… just more blah-blah-blah.
Oh, but I forgot. That’s always the Dems talking points… “We’re going to give you everything, just vote for us.” So basically, the party that got us into this financial mess, is going to give us more by way of National Health Care? How can people vote for this snake oil salesman?
Earth to Barky. It ain’t gonna happen. And yes, you are a LIAR.
McCain/Palin ‘08
Exactly. McCain and Hillary’s plan are the same! That is the reason the media is totally in the tank for Obama. The MSM wants to destroy our country. This is just like W. Think about it. 8 years of W followed by 4 of Obama will ruin us.
it’s over
For Obama.
I hate McCain. I hate his inadequate campaign. I hate his aides. It’s like they’re working in a vacuum with absolutely no idea of what’s going on outside, no idea of what people are talking about, what people want to hear. His debate performance was pathetic. He didn’t fight. He didn’t attack. He missed almost every available opportunity to convince Americans that Barak Obama is the worst possible prospect for America. No mention of his despicable extreme left wing anti-American past. Barely a mention of the Dems guilt in the sub prime crisis. No mention of ACORN. No mention of Ayers.
McCain and his team are just standing by as Americans get ready to do the dumbest thing they’ve ever done and vote a communist into the White House.
All Obama had to do tonight was sit back and put himself on autopilot, knowing fine well that this was McCain’s last chance. What the hell happened with McCain? Can anyone tell me?
I saw his speech yesterday. It had me on fire. I was punching the air. He took Obama in his teeth and savaged him. Why the hell can’t he do this in Obama’s presence? It’s as if the fool has his mind set upon being the gentleman, the non-partisan bringer-together-of-a-new-era-of-cooperation. Screw that! I don’t want him to cooperate and work with anti-American socialists! This is SERIOUS goddamn it!
*sigh*
What a pathetic man. WHAT a pathetic man. Sarah Palin would have hammered Obama tonight. McCain missed his last chance – and I’m sad to say, let down the country he keeps telling us he’s devoted himself to.
Well, he definitely did attack last debate. Why repeat?
You don’t let your opponent get up. You keep attacking until he’s finished. John McCain should know this. Attack! Attack!
Jeeezus Jason…If you want that watch WWF…sheeesh!
Barky = canned little Boy who wants to play president
McCain = wary grownup who knows what a psychopath Barky is…It was that obvious
Hello? Where do you think Johnny M could have said all that, in that boring format of a town hall wannabe, without hurting himself in the process? There is a place and time for everything. It’s gonna be fine folks keep the faith!
Jason,
you should really calm down. this was a debate on economic policy and to bring up associations would have been ridiculous. What is the topic of the next debate?
Mccain did a good job, but the media will spin and continue to spin, like they did when Hillary debated no brains.
Don’t worry, all of these associations will be coming out.
GROWL! SNARL! SEETHE! FUME! *please don’t tell me to calm down*
I wanted OBAMA’S HEAD ON A FREAKING SPIKE TONIGHT!
Obama’s radical past just took on a new dimension today….makes me SO MAD that the American public is largely ignoring this stuff!
JASON…let republicans be republicans…Dude…Barky is toast…
You were so worked up apparently you didn’t hear Mac hit Obama first thing on ACORN and taking the most money from Fannie and Freddy. He said the sub-prime morgage fiasco caused the problem and that ACORN was the match that lit the fire. Where were you?
He had to stay with the questions. Yes, bad format but he’ll do the job. Calm Down
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Obama was ahead when I voted.
My family voted early today – all for Mc and Palin.
McCain is a real, standup guy that I respect.
Yobama is a dangerous, lying socialist that has lots of friends that none of us would associate with.
.I fear we are in danger of surviving as a democatic country if he is elected
just… wow. the paranoia has reached critical mass.
sigh..well since YOUR pick failed in his motion to keep Obama and McCain off the ballot here in TX…no need for you to act like a ‘bot. Unless..oh man you ARE a ‘bot! Go to bed my dear it’s way past your bedtime.
I thought very interesting was when each were asked “Is Russia an Evil Empire?” It looked to me like Obama was someone who had never thought about it and McCain appeared presidential and intellectual.
I so badly wanted McCain to hit Obama on the $250,000 dollar tax increase, affecting small business. Obama quipped that the dollar amount would represent a “tiny” number of small business owners.
Wrong. Dead wrong. Completely wrong.
McCain should have referred Obama to the Small Business Council. These proposed tax increases will kill small business and put a lot of them out of business all together. Meaning? Loss of jobs and family income.
This is a message McCain needs to punch home. That and the fact that the 95% of tax reductions Obama heralds = 40% of people who don’t pay taxes. We’re talking tax rebates for lower income people. Hey, everyone likes to get a check from the Government. But which will be longer lasting? A $500-1000 check or an actual job with a long-term future? Depend on the public dole or look forward to expanded opportunity? To me, the choice is crystal clear.
Empty, empty promises from “The One.” And empty-eyed followers, I fear.
You guys and the media who say he needed a home run are missing the point.
Alot of folks are saying Mccain won on the economy, well that means he WON the debate.
The strategy Mccain is emplying now is to make Obama so dangerous that poeple will look to Mccain as he said “a steady hand on the till”
Mccain would have been ridiculed if he laid the smack down.
The final debate will be the trap. Obama and his campaign were expecting a food fight. So is the media. They did not get it. Now, leading up to the election they will have a new radical each week and next debate Mccain WILL lay the wood to him.
He is not running his campaign based on media or obama’s expectations.
He won on the economy tonight, as the #1 issue that is big. That is his week spot. If he shores up support in that feild he wins. His mortage plan is the right way to go. Conservatives are complaining but there is no end in sight to this mess if we do not FIX the mortage mess. It was also a strong appeal to the center and dems.
Mac won. Obama looks aloof. On healthcare Mac hit him good to.
Agree Paul…What is that something NEW that everyone will be talking about and Barky will soon steal…McCain’s mortgage answer…GOP controls the dialog…
Paul, you make great points. After the Palin attacks this week, everyone was expecting McCain to lay down the hammer. But he knew going in this was going to be a subdued affair, especially with Bromide Brokaw moderating. If McCain conveyed his message about the economy successfully with this debate, he moves on to the next level. I just hope it’s not too little too late.
And where do they get these “uncommitted” voters? It must be a requirement to have had a lobotomy to participate on one of the Luntz panels.
Anyone who isn’t decided by now, with all the info out on both of them, probably is easily fooled by The Fraud and his lies and pandering.
I agree Paul3triple!
I think that even we here at NQ forget sometimes that we are electing a President – NOT an American Idol.
Who cares about whether or not McCain was “boring?” He did what he was supposed to do – lay out a sound economic plan. Let the stupid MSM worry about Obama being “exciting.” They have to worry about that sort of thing to lure back the masses of viewers they’ve lost. Meanwhile, WE’LL go and put McCain in the White House.
You know, it doesn’t really matter what was said tonight….yet. It will matter if the undecideds really, really paid attention to the details said by both tonight and then whether or not they “get it” when the punches fly from now til the GE.
McCain has a lifetime of experience while Obama has a speech. McCain spoke intelligently about foreign policy. He will use our military effectively if at all.
Maybe its a good thing that it was boring. McCain will get an earfull from the Obama press and that should light a fire under him. Both Obama and McCain can’t compete with Sarah for star power.
McCain didn’t lose. Obama didn’t win. Brokaw and the American people lost out for having a totally forgettable debate. This was like a debate in the primaries.
Did you see the Obama’s hogging air time at the end. Hmm must be nervous.
Fox text Poll…McCain 86% Obama 12 %
I think in substance McCain won on the issues, but he is so soft spoken most of the time, it diminishes him in some way.
Speak softly but carry a big stick is not exactly something that rings true in 2008. But it is still a good sale.
I thought McCain did a great job. He put Obama on the defensive repeatedly. As usual, Obama’s responses meandered aimlessly numerous times whereas McCain gave specifics. Brokaw was VERY WEAK, I felt, and overall, it didn’t come across as a Townhall style debate – more just the two candidates volleying remarks back and forth- but McCain sounded more honed in to the practical details. Obama- smooth but nonspecific, and of course, ARROGANT.
i thought i was right,also macs right about stopping the slide in housing because if the downward slide in house value is not stopped than you cant fix the economy.
I can’t stand the thought of Ofraud in the whitehouse. It makes me sick. He is a lying scumbag and I pray that McCain has something more in his arsenal to convince the American people of that. One more debate and 28 days to go.
McCain did AWESOME!
How can you vote any other way…
Obama is clueless in so many areas.
We need an experienced Canidate someone
that will take care of our Country
McCain did AWESOME!
How can you vote any other way…
Obama is clueless in so many areas.
We need an experienced Candidate someone
that will take care of our Country.
America deserved Obama.
tonight’s winner was Tom Brokaw for keeping Obarky in his place directly a number of times.
and obama is just angry that McCain called him that one because Obama thinks he is “the one,” just like in the Matrix.
honestly, if they pull this “that one is racist” crap the McCain people should slap him silly.
in all seriousness, the best moment was when the CPOfficer reached out to shake McCain’s hand. poor Obama could barely look at the guy cause McCain’s great comment was from a place called reality and not scripted from some book.
I thought McCain won, but not strongly enough to make a big impact.
His plan to buy up bad mortgages, though I think it is bad policy, will probably go over well. Keeping home values artificially high is dumb, and unsustainable without increases in income, but it will probably be popular.
Pointing the finger at 0bama and the Democrats on Freddie and Fannie was a good step, but he needs to trace the problem back to the CRA, ACORN, and Obama’s lawsuit against Citibank that all but FORCED banks to make loans to people who were very unlikely to ever pay them.
He really needs to hammer 0bama’s “Tax cut for 95% of Americans” as, to borrow a phrase from President Clinton, “a fairy tale.”. McCain and Palin need to say over and over that 0bama is LYING to Americans and playing them for fools, and that he has no intention of of cutting taxes.
When 0bama tries to “set the record straight” they need to say, “Listen, I undestand that Senator 0bama CLAIMS he will cut taxes, but you need to understand that he is LYING.”
He killed 0bama on foreign policy, but 0bama didn’t totally embarass himself, which is, I think, what McCain needs.
Barry rambled on, and didn’t say much of substance, but I think most voters probably didn’t realize he didn’t know what he was talking about.
McCain and Palin need to constantly barrage 0bama with his anti-American, racist, radical and corrupt friends. Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Odinga, Meeks, etc. They need to paint 0bama as a dangerous choice. The good news is, he absolutely IS a dangerous choice, and there is plenty of evidence of this.
Hopefully, Americans will wake up and realize they are about to elect an unqualified, terrorist sympathizer, radical, socialist, racist, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian egomaniac, who will make the Carter years seem like the good old days.
What I really did like was his discussion of health care. LOVED his idea of opening up small offices for emergency care. YES, THANK YOU!!!
He had some very good solid ideas.
umm yup..they are called urgent care centers and we already have em. But I think I missed that part of the debate.
I want to see those opened up everywhere and inexpensive.
That would help the problem with emergency rooms.
McCain approach to health care will solve the problem and eventually free us from the high cost of medicine. But one cannot explain it because it will scare the sh**t out of everyone. So he is only proposing ’step one.’ After that comes various other steps that will makes free = free = free of whom you say,
FREE OF THE AMA – FREE FROM THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION AND THE MONOPOLY THAT DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS AND THE MEDICAL PROFESSION HAS OVER OUR LIVES. THEY THINK THEY OWN US.
i was happy that McCain didn’t shake Obama’s hand and I could tell he doesn’t like Obama. Considering McCain is a hot-tempered guy, I hope he decides to use the nuclear option and unleash everything.
I think they did shake hands. Camera was not on them. Brokaw commented that they were blocking his teleprompter.
Obama is closer to W than anyone. Think about it. Obama voted for the energy bill in 2005. He supported FISA. He wants Paulsen to stay Sect. of the Treasury. The MSM treats Obama just like W. If you love our country, then Obama is not the one.
you are so right. Obama is the left’s answer to W. looks nice, gets you all comfortable, but really, really lame and not genuine. they are both pampered really. for all the so called food stamps stories that Obama pulls out he went to Punahoe, Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. he’s a privileged kid from a white neighborhood who expects everyone to bow down to him. 1 week to the last debate and then it is total smack down time. Odinga’s cousin does not deserve to lead us.
“Obama is the left’s answer to W. looks nice, gets you all comfortable, but really, really lame and not genuine.”
Yes, this is the biggest reason I won’t vote for Obama. McCain’s problem is he can’t throw his own President under the bus. McCain’s strategy should be: “Our country would be a thousand times better off if my party had nominated me instead of W. in 2000. No mortgage crisis, no 9/11.” Then use that as a way to compare Obama to Bush.
If your mother were dying of cancer and having trouble with her insurance company, wouldn’t you be there in the insurance company’s face on a daily basis until she got some help? Obama disgusts me, truly disgusts me. He is a user extraordinaire, even using his dead mother for political points when, from all I have read on the net, he did not even go to her funeral. Disgusting specimen of a man, truly vile.
He’s a lawyer, for pete’s sake, and could get any number of firms to go after the insurance company for her. Lawyers do that sort of thing re their families all the time!! And even if he was too busy or important to do it, he could have gotten Michelle to squeeze it into her busy day, she didn’t quit practicing until after BO’s mother died.
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The October surprise will come at the end of the Berg vs Obama and DNC lawsuit Obama could not come up with his proof of citizenship at the end of the 30 days.. If he would just show them, the lawsuit would be dismissed. He must not have them. I see there are now 3 individuals filed this in court…
Lesson 101, How to deal with a pathological liar?
Set him up, let him lie, then destroy every lie while introducing other lies and problems thus confusing the pathological liar!
McCain tonight set Obama up, called him on the letters 2 yrs ago over regulations that will appear tomorrow without Obama’s name on it for one.
Introduced new program on mortgages left Odumbi stumped.
Made Odumbi look a fool on Pakistan AGAIN!
Called out Odumbi’s tax votes and policy increases.
Stalking a dangerous prey is slow and methotical with the kill next week!
The past 4 days McCain and Palin have introduced attacks and tonight McCain re-enforced Obama lies.
It was easy to see McCain was becoming impatient and wanting to bust loose, but the GOP are timing masters and Obama well is simply stupid prey unlike Bill Clinton!
But is Obama a pathological liar or a professional liar? If he is a professional liar, then he and his minions will resort to intimidation and fraud just as they did in the primaries against Hillary. And those tactics will have to be a lot more extreme to work against McCain and the Republicans. If Obama has the help of people like George Soros, then the threats will probably include more bad news about the economy or even some threat to public health or safety here or elsewhere.
And what about the media whores? It will take some pretty powerful medicine to overcome their depravity.
In any case, I like your scenario better. This country doesn’t need the Democrats version of George W Bush.
and i for one am SHOCKED!
Did Obama EVER give an answer to the question about defending Israel? I heard him say he was in favor of cutting off energy supplies to Iran and relying on other nations to put pressure on, blah, blah, but I didn’t hear any commitment to Israel from him. Anybody?
He will sit on his hands if Israel is attacked. Hillary flat out said she would kick ass if Israel was attacked, so did Johnny Mac. BO/ Uhmm uhmm… options will be on the table… uhm uhm…
He will let ‘em twist in the wind.
Lets all be serious we all knew McCain is not that kind of firebrand speaker so all who are now pretending that McCain was supposed to come out tonight and shout from the rooftops are being very hypocritical because that is just not his style.
McCain did what he had to do make his case without getting personal with Obama and getting into a all out name calling, finger pointing fight. Some in the media seems to have wanted that and if he did do that the headlines in the morning would of been McCain is unfit, racial and erratic.
Look back at the transcript of the debate he made his points, also look at the hostile manner that Obama kept wanting to go over time pushing the limits to get his points in, Obama also was the first one to take the attack to McCain.
I don’t know how much clearer can McCain tell everyone about the cause of this bail out with Fannie and Friends, he keeps saying it but no one is listening, people don’t want to her that, has anyone ever gone to sit and think that maybe the markets are down because investors feel Obama may win this.
You can keeps saying you are going to make the rich pay and then expect them to inject money into your economy, why should they do such for Obama to then turn around and tax them because they have too much?
The choice is yours to make, vote for who you want but make dam sure that when you decided on that person your are very sure that he can do this job, save the economy, ensure your safety, and all the things you want because one bad decision and that is it we will all have to suffer for the next 4 years there is no do overs when voting is done.
We should repeat this everywhere. Markets are afraid of an Obama win.
You have thousands of questions sent in and Mr. Tom (I don’t believe in Bill Ayers) Bro-cow picks the most boring ones of the bunch, in order to not move the polls.
Now I go off topic.
One. I have been talking to NancyA and reading some old research. There is perhaps a line of links, starting with Michigan, the SDS, Weathermen hangouts in NY while Obama was at Columbia, the formation of the “New” socialist party in Chicago. There is a one person thread that connects them all – from the mid 60s in Chi-town and Michigan to NY in the late 70s and early 80s to Chicago and the growth of the Marxist movement there, to the launching of Obama. These links make it almost impossible to conclude that Obama did not meet Ayers, the rapist, in NY before going to Chicago.
Two. Some who have read my earlier opinions understand that I am suspect of the bail out. I am not changing my mind. However I should share this. I design software for the public works sector of government. Therefore I am on many email lists. I got this from the Associated Equipment Dealers.
Whether I think the hype is contrived or the cause is more complex than a Rubik’s Cube the one thing I am hearing is the effect is real.
If we find out that politicians like Obama or financiers like Buffet and Soros helped create the hyped fear that is causing this crash, just to win an election and take control of weak-now powerful companies, we should not be happy. We should stand up and state that we do not like Marxists capitalists ruining us and our country for their gain.
Buffett began investing in his first non-American companies last year and is expanding. Soros has been using US intervention to buy up companies, governments and markets outside the US.
But. Talking ill about “the leader” will, after Obama is elected, will be banned by then.
Let us not let that happen.
Before I say my next I want to say to NQ detractors. Do not underestimate NQ. First it was just Hannity. Then it was his network. Now most news outlets have researchers monitoring this site. And I have a few connections of my own.
Don’t fight with trolls. Fight with facts and support stories you read here with your opinions, feelings and responses you get from your friends who are not here. Post it and it will be read.
Now, get out there and do good. Tell the truth. Use this 21st Century medium and use some old school as well. Talk. Stand up. You are not racists. You are Americans who understand that if do not put country first you will have no free and safe place to put your children first.
I have thought since the crude oil jumped like crazy for no good reason that it was political.
Nothing would surprise me.
I agree. It may be that Davis, who was originally centered in Chicago, had performed an introduction at Occidental, had even engineered BO’s transfer to Columbia, and they had to have met there — Said, physical proximity, similar political interests, Ayers’ weird relationship with his brother….
On the google2001 page I found a list of some board figures (not CAC, but linked with it somehow), and Ayers Sr. and the brother John were all over that, but no Bill.
I do believe there’s a puppetmaster behind all of it from the soaring oil prices to using ACORN as a tool to bring this housing crisis about. It’s so layered though, I wouldn’t even know where to start. It’s diabolical.
Did you see Obama shake Cindy Mccain’s hand while Michelle turned her back and walk away.This is the pair who says they can reach across the isle let alone speak to Iran diplomaticially.but Michelle the racist Bitch does the same thing to Cindy McCain as she did to Hillary.Arrogant hater of this country and white people.
We have the it is over trolls…No it is not. Gore was 10 points ahead in the polls in the first week of OCT. It is a dem talking point. They started it last week and you sorry people are falling for it again. Tim Russert did it in the primary to sway people and teh dems are doing it again.
I know one thing if we don’t get the housing market stable we are going to be in deep shit. Lets see what McCain’s plan is. That market controls everything on wall st. as we have all learned.
The housing question or point made by McCain is the same one made by Jim Cramer. Sixty percent of the housing problem is in California and Florida – mostly speculative and/or predator lending between 2005 and 2007. If the government buys those up, then they are off the balance sheets of the banks. The government doesn’t charge itself interest or even has to pay up. Or they could sell them outright with 50% off. The point is to take toxic mortgages that are clogging up the system, out of the system. Its brilliant plan. Its Jim Cramer’s plan and it will work. McCain should hammer it tomorrow, along with Ayers, ACORN, and Rezko.
I loved it. Very smart. It was the bright light of the night.
I think I am not sure yet that he was talking about the government absorbing the gap between the market value and the mortage value. That gap will stabilize as soon as the government begins the process of paying for those gaps and the gaps will grow smaller as prices stabilize at a higher market value than they would be if allowed to free fall.
I think that is a good way. I don’t like it but I think is a good way. I prefer a different approach. I prefer what I call an orderly divestiture of assets. But I concede I don’t know what effect that would have.
I don’t this changes anything. McCain is not behind because of style or substance. He is behind because of what happened 10 days ago. The anger people feel about the sub-prime collapse is being vented and republicans, particularly their nominee, McCain, is catching the brunt of it.
I agree with Karl Rove that the polls changed drastically and quickly for McCain, but they are just as capable of changing back when things settle down and yes, before the election. I know I am not objective about Obama, but I still do not think people in general will choose the most liberal tax and spend senator, with NO track record, with no assurance of how he will handle this grave crisis we’re in.
I feel like shooting myself. This country has gone to he… I am 99.9 percent sure Obama is going to win. It seems unlikely now that anything is going to stop the fraudmobile he is driving. Bye-bye America. I feel so sick. I feel like crying.
You have Obama derangement syndrome. Turn off your TV and computer. Read a book watch a movie. Call a friend and don’t talk politics.
Oh for god’s sake, get a grip
Considering the troubles the next president will have to deal with, I’m surprised anyone even wants the job. Chances are what we’re electing is a fall guy.
Andrew, would you rather be at the front lines making a difference or in the rear throwing up from your fear. No one likes or appreciates cowards.
Get a holed of your nerves, man. Your self esteem. Don’t believe the hype.
You know the MSM is in the tank. So are the poll takers. What is the result of those two combinations? Obama positive ALL THE TIME. Does the MSM ever do their job of objective news? Hell no. So that is the problem. They’ve been bought just like DNC. DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE. STAY STRONG. GET A GRIP.
Andrew-I think if it were such a sure thing for Obama, his minions wouldn’t be desperately involved in voter fraud. Obviously, they are not really comfortable with their supposed lead in the polls and are trying to steal the election through ACORN and other fraudulent methods. So…if THEY aren’t confident of winning (without cheating) we should realize what THEY realize-the American people aren’t that gullible.
McCain strikes a chord with the public-he’s the real deal.
Did you see Obama shake Cindy Mccain’s hand while Michelle turned her back and walk away.This is the pair who says they can reach across the isle let alone speak to Iran diplomaticially.but Michelle the racist Bitch does the same thing to Cindy McCain as she did to Hillary.Arrogant hater of this country and white people.
Michell and Obama are like most of the politicians who try to represent us they only want power and money and could care less about the American people.Michelle does not stand for me in any way shape or form when she does not know how to be gracious or learn any social class manners!
Q. Pat, what else should we expect from a hood rat like Michelle?
A. Pole dancing in the White House!
You ALL are NOT listening to me..I say that Obama is NOT going to be our next president.. Or if he does make it through the election, he will be removed by January.
caringnurse: YESSSS i am not only listening to you but I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY.
The only way Obama could win is to cheat, as he is doing now, just like he cheated in North Carolina against Hillary; but if he does he will be caught and furthermore OBAMA WILL NOT BE OUR PRESIDENT.
Still, it IS irritating to watch everyone in the [toilet] tank for him.
WHAT WILL DO OBAMA IN IS HIS ARROGANCE AND PRIDE.
THE BIBLE SAYS PRIDE ALWAYS COMES BEFORE THE FALL.
and it will be a long, long fall down from his pedestal. funny, toilets are called pedestals too!
This time the DNC won’t be counting the votes and Registrars all over the country are withholding ACORN’s fraudulent registrations. They are not making it on to the voter lists.
Do you not think that Registrars all over the country are aware and talking about this, not wanting to be the center of a faked out count? Heck, I’d be surprised if the real Dallas Cowboys get to vote…they’ve been registered by ACORN so many time.s
oh wonderful. so if he wins, are you guys gonna start calling for his assassination? what a fun bunch you are.
What is your malfunction?
She is referring to a lawsuit.
BIGGEST OBAMA GAFFE: “we should’ve got involved in the Holocaust..
EARTH TO OBAMA: WE DID, IT WAS CALLED WORLD WAR II.
How the media did not get after that just shows how in the [toilet] tank for Obama.
That is sooo true…Barky is so ignorant and he exploits the ignorance of his fan base…sheeesh!
YES! like WWII did not happen at all. Obama denies WWII!
One thing, it was so boring that the specifics will now start to sink into people’s brains. Takes repetition. Lots of repetition.
We sure got that from both tonight. LOL*
Obama has the audacity to state in this debate he wants us to serve,He wants military in Darfur?He wants to make us all little acorn organzers and work for food!
Yeah! And did you notice that Obama while shuck and jiving the country he said IRAN WANTED TO ANNIHILATE NORTH KOREA???!!!
Did anyone see that?
What the fuck was that about. If McCain or Palin had said that the corporate media whores would have been all over them like flies on fresh shit eating them alive.
I want an retraction from the inexperienced Obama that is ready willing and ready to destroy this country! My god this man is a walking nightmare.
Thank God for McCain – we need his leadership more than ever and I trust that Americans will know that and teach the media a lesson in democracy they will never forget!
Oddly enough, watching Fox just now, it appears that Karl Rove actually thinks McCain did pretty well. Rove isn’t shy about dumping on McCain, so this sort of surprised me.
Personally, I thought they were both pretty bad tonight, but Obama the smoother talker, the better at schmoozing and fooling an audience. McCain passed up a lot of opportunities, it seemed. And the questions were stupid. The whole town hall wasn’t even a real town hall — it sucked, it was contrived.
Rove says it doesn’t matter who actually “won” — what is more important is what each candidate can take from the debate to more or less use as a basis in their day-to-day campaigning from here on out…
WOW did you guys see the exchange between Hannity and Obama spokesman Gibbs? Hannity asked him point blank if Obama met with Farrakhan.Does Hannity know something about what is about to be unleashed?
He obviously wanted the guy to lie and say, “no”. Yes, I think Sean knows the sheat that’s about to hit the fan.
I saw that and I’m grateful for another future youtube hit. Hannity knows something…stay tune:)
I saw that. That was heated! That Obamabot is a scripted ass.
Yep let our military save Dafur its in Africa why not but let Israel take care of their own business, now why does that surprise anyone that Obama would want to help Africa before anywhere else?
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/count-paedce/case_no-2:2008cv04083/case_id-281573/ scroll down to #16, click onto #16 and read docket file
Caringnurse 1:
I understand that Judge Surrick needs to sign that document before the dismissal by the BO camp is overturned.
Do you know anything more you’d like to share with us?
Can you post the actual file names?
Cool. I read #16. This Bradley guy is asking to join the suit, and is asking for a remedy known as an order of mandamus, which is basically a judicial order ‘making’ a government official do something — here, to investigate the Indonesian passport re BO’s birth location, which he is saying must have been overseas for both BO and his sister.
Hard to say where this will go. Its essentially the same case as Berg, and if the court is too scared to do anything, it will languish until too late, or something. If the court feels that something is really up, then something might happen.
Pretty uncharted legal territory, this.
In the upper right hand corner place case # 281573 into the search window to view the case file in the upbove link.
It is the second selection in the search results which reveals the #16 docket file.
ANOTHER POLL & GOOD ARTICLES, BUT NOT AS GOOD AND ORIGINAL AS NQ.
http://www.newsbusters.org/
What on earth was Obama thinking when he said the government invented computers because they needed a way to communicate?
I thought Al Gore invented computers?
That was the Internet.
The problem we have is, liberals still believe in Obanta Claus and they don’t have “elders” to break the truth to them.
Monique, Click onto that website I posted.. You will see why I feel that way.
Click onto #17 also
Caringnurse…those were filed…Not ruled
Judge has not made a ruling yet
Go to obamacrimes.com that is Berg’s site…
On the isreal question Obama totally struck out. He began talking about meeting with Ahmadinajad. Which, a question on who will defend isreal, Jewish folks i think are not interested in Obama chatting with Iran while it plans the destruction of their homeland.
Mccain said, forget the UN it will take to long. We protect our allies.
Obama is going to lose the jewish vote. If not lose it it will be razor thin.
In recent polls Macs support among hispanics is creeping up to 40% which is what bush had in 04.
You need to see the big picture. Mccain cannot become a bomb thrower in front of 50 plus million americans. He had to show his strength on economics, he did. He needed to maintain his huge lead as to who is ready to be CIC, he did.
Bill Ayers and Wright are topics Mccain should only adress at rallys or when asked.
Obama gaffe – he made a statement about the government’s involvement in the development of comupters. Wrong in fact and by implication. First, the computer was invented centuries ago. There are ruins of what are thought to be a machine to calculate astronomical data that date back to the Romans. Charles Babbage (who worked on a mechanical computing device in the 19th century (I think) had nothing to do with government. The first electronic computers were made for the army to calculate bomb and artillery trajectories. Desktop computers were made practical by Apple and IBM. NO government involvement.
Implication – the networking system that would become the Internet was originally Darpanet (used by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency). It was NEVER intended for public use. But it got out anyway.
Conclusion – if Obama (or McCain, for that matter) wants to cite matters of historical record, get it right or don’t mention it.
End of history lesson.
In the debate it appeared that Obama thinks that the govt should be involved in everything. Not such a good idea.
He was totally wrong about computers on two separate counts, and I think his campaign needs to hammer Obama about the other one.
Did anyone hear the bull he was spewing about creating a new “green” economy and how this would create millions of new jobs and kick-start the economy? He used “computers” as an analogy, saying that they did much the same thing when they hit the scene.
What a dumb thing to say! Computers were a boon to the economy because they greatly improved production efficiency. Creating an artificial “need” for green products with a click of the fingers will not improve production efficiency and will not improve the economy. It’s like the government creating public works projects to give people jobs – it’s just a waste of money and resources. Oh wait! Obama proposed that too….creating government jobs building roads and bridges! Did I hear right? Obama was proposing something which economists now agree greatly prolonged and intensified the Depression when FDR tried it back in the 30’s.
He’s a socialist who does not understand economics one little bit. He can memorize economic talking points taught to him by rote which make him sound knowledgeable, but for Obama’s campaign to rip McCain as someone who knows nothing about economics is just totally hypocritical. Besides which, McCain might not know much about economics but he sure as hell understands the basics of economic growth, which is that you NEVER, NEVER increase taxes on businesses – including (especially) corporations.
Obama thinks that the key is to sting big businesses in order to fund tax cuts to small businesses. But what he doesn’t understand is that big business is a vital part of our economic growth and that their “economies of scale” allows them to provide us with our daily essentials at low prices. If they are stung for billions more in taxes, they WILL get that money back by raising prices. This means that there will be fewer dollars chasing the kinds of goods and services that small businesses generally provide (specialist goods, luxury goods, personal services etc). If people are spending more on mass produced/big box retail goods, their budgets will have to edge out other things. Small businesses WILL take a hit.
Obama thinks that the only thing which affects the profits of a small business are its taxes – and he DOES propose a tax cut for the smallest businesses after all. But what good will a small tax cut do them if they experience smaller revenues? And what good will tax cuts do to the middle classes if the price of goods go up?
Supposedly, Obama is electric and dynamic, but then why was it a snoozer? The MSM is pathetic. It is just like W. They treat Obama with kid gloves.
Oh, he was incredibly boring. His hesitation problem was bad tonight.
Mac’s style isn’t as smooth, but at least he can talk.
Was Obama clear enough when he said
that Iran wanted to ANNIHILATE North Korea
Where did he get that? Did he hear himself? Say it? Is he ready to Lead – I think not by his mouth doesn’t connect with his brain .
LOL – neither does mine after reading my own post. shoot. I must be tired.
Off topic – does anyone else agree this blog needs to find a new server, or at least change its framework? It’s just too SLLOOOOWWW and unresponsive.
It’s frustrating.
More than frustrating. It hangs my entire browser when it’s loading the page. All my other tabs freeze up too. Bad programming!
I will take death anytime rather than live under Obamas regime.
go to bed.
A lot of trolls out for the kill tonight.
I can’t believe someone quoted the Fox text poll. Number 1, the only people voting are people that are watching Fox news, 2, a text vote is not a valid polling method since people can vote twice and you have no control over the demographics of the sample, and 3, the true opinion is never going to be that one-sided.
Reading this website is like peering into some alternate universe for me. What great points did McCain make? Besides the idea of buying up homes, what did he say that was new? And how much would it cost to buy up troubled mortgages? How on earth would we pay for that?
This is Hillary’s proposal. McCain is agreeing with Hillary.
Most would be renegotiated, so the government would reduce the number of foreclosures.
It’s a great idea.
How about ,
Pining down senator Obama’s tax plan is like trying to nail jello to the wall. It’s changed 5-6 times, and they may change again.
The mortgage plan is also a real winner too. It will be the talking point during the week as well as the fact that Obama is all talk.
I think McCain will walk the high road and let Palin to be the attack dog who will bring up all the dirt about Obama.
Joe check the ratings and you see that Fox news is the most watched..Thats why you can believe it.
Obama is a fraud. Period. Every day of my life I live with hating my own Americans for voting for someone so disgusting. I don’t care what ANYONE says about the debate tonight. McCain cares about AMERICA. Obama HATES America. It’s RIDICULOUS that a normal, decent ADULT would even THINK to vote for Obama.
Obam is a fraud…… In the past, his associations would not only prevent him from being a candidate, but they would make him a traitor too this country.
So he complains of Mccain wanting to bring our troops home in victory and calls Iraq a wasted war he proposes bombing Pakistan,Killing Obama,taking the war to Afghanistan,and finally we must bring military help to Darfur,Meanwhile while Afgahnistan bled the Russians of all their money and broke their econimic backs wnd we are facing the biggest economic crisis in 50 years and our country is going broke.While we offer every immigrant who steps his little toe into this country college education,healthcare and food stamps he expects us to find the money to be fined for not insuring our children,then he wants to put more econimic woes on our backs with taxes,Then he wants us to physically work as community organizers.Meanwhile have we not always taken care of the African American as far back as we can remember.Affirmative action is what won him the nomination,He got his college education with grant money for the color of his skin.So did his wife.But my son who works for a living cannot get any more loans to pay is way to college with two years in.He is white by the way.I am a single mother that the goverment never enforced m child support I raised my children with two jobs and a lot of grit and own my own home.Nine years to go to pay it off and i might lose it.My son is in financial ruin becaue his loans want him to pay for deffered loans not being in school but they wont finance him to finish.My intellegent son who came out top in his class n French,bronze medal nationally for Latin.And straight A student.He is going to pay for the future of what the politicians paved for him.I worry about my children who are struggling in this economy.As for me when i get sick my home will be probably be taken for medical bills.And my children lose again to death tax.The goverment let my children down when they didnt enforce shild support.I guess i didnt have choice like my ex did to not support the children according to the goverment.Obama is the doom for young enterprenaurs.I’m just an old woman not young enough to be counted as worthwhile to have my voice heard according to CNN. Enough enough must I rant anymore.This whole goverment is disgusting they do not care about us!!!
I understand Pat – My Mother raised 9 children without one dime from my Father. She worked 2 and even 3 jobs for years and did her very best to make sure we were in school and healthy. She has voted Democratic her whole life just as her “Daddy” and Mother did.
She doesn’t trust the Obama word game – Here is a woman like you that has a bull shit barometer that works quite well and without ever having cussed a day in her life she said NOW see that man, Obama he is a lying manipulator if I have ever heard one before in my life. Do not vote for him or you will be bringing a world of pain down on this country.
It just made me want to barf to think Michelle thinks she so intitled to the white house that she showed her arrogance on her heel while she snubbed Cindy Mccain.She is racist and trye to ner black libration theology and thesis and she did the same to Hillary.She is a piece of you know what in mu book.She ight of gotten an education on our tax dollars but she did nto learn any class.And obama pays women 80 cents on teh dollar,he is a mulim at heart,he learned it in Indonesia muslim schools.And amrk my words his children will remeber reverend Wright and how to stay true to thier race while they call us racist whitey.
Hey I agree…I didn’t have insurance on my children till my oldest was 12 years old. My ex didn’t pay his child support either. He didn’t pay anything the judge said he was to pay…I made it, my kids did too. One has 2 years of collage, still paying for it, one finished collage and has it payed for one didn’t go to collage..we didn’t get any help…
A Story:
When my son was 17 he worked at McDonald’s. We were at the Post Office waiting in line to get stamps. 3 girls in front of us were complaing about how their well-fair checks were not enough and saying when their second and third children came then they would get a raise.(2 were pregnant) We got back out to the car and my son couldn’t hold it in…I work for my money and they have babies and expect the government to pay for everything…my tax dollars so they can sit around and watch TV….they need to give the kids they have a bath, at least they could do that.
I will never forget it. Well-fair is good when you are down but it should not be a means of support.
October suprise!!!! its coming and Hannity knows it! as soon as we have a couple of calm days in the market it will come
I am beginning to think Obama thinks that anything is okay as long as it is HIS idea. Like he is just some great thinker. He really makes me sick!
Did you guys see Hannity’s America Sunday night? It’s on YouTube. It really gave me chills. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rkxNuHCBOQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TAnDcQyjA&feature=related
Yes, It takes forever to get a comment posted.
McCain did well tonight.
I agree with Rove that this is not really about who “won” the debate.
Remember W. “lost” most of his debates, and yet he still won twice!
McCain and his Repub. hitmen will release the torpedos soon. They are good at getting the last word in, ads that resonate.
As a former Dem I used to dread October but now I am looking forward to it.
I heard that there aren’t going to be any 527’s going after Obama. They said people are not giving any money to them and McCain will be the only one running the ads. I heard it on Fox and I don’t know who the guy was who was on saying it. I think it was yesterday or the day before. They were talking about the 527’s and wondering if they would bring up Rev Wright when the guy said this.
Comment by caringnurse1 | 2008-10-07 22:59:48
I will take death anytime rather than live under Obamas regime.
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I agree with you. I will NEVER live with an Obama America. NEVER. As sad as it is, after living 46 years of loving my country, I will say bon voyage and let everyone who voted for Obama live in the hellhole that he creates. This country is in the crapper and Obama will be the coffin nail that takes America to Third World status. And Obama will be proud of it. That his ego, his insane politics and his loyalty to ANY COUNTRY BUT AMERICA will have finally ruined the greatest country in the world. We’re not America anymore. And Obama just loves that. He will transfer any wealth we had left to his real friends in Africa and the 57 Arab States. I want to wring the necks of people who would hate America enough to vote for this total sham of a human being.
Where are you going to go? The rest of the world is slipping into neosocialist hell too. Look at Europe and the EU. Look at Canada. South America? Forget about it. Hong Kong went back to the commies (thanks Britain).
Actually Canada is doing well, although we may have a partial slump because of the ties to the US. My province has a balanced budget and a surplus, and so does the federal government. Good universal health care, social programs (never funded to what it needed – but perhaps that will never happen).
We have high taxes and much higher gas prices, but most people are optimistic and doing well. No housing crisis.
Is this the neosocial hell you are speaking of?
You can always join forces with the Alaskan successionists…
Sorry, but your statement seems more than a little extreme.
America isn’t defined by its president, but by our Constitution, our laws, and our people–all of which will outlast whoever the next president happens to be.
With all respect, the policies of the last three republican administrations are what have turned us into a debtor nation ruled by a wealthy elite. One of the appeals of Obama is that his policies could actually reverse that trend. His top priority is an alternative energy economy. I see that as the only logical way out of our dilemma.
Remember when O-BOMB-A made that ‘gaffe’ saying he had visited all 57 states? Well, he was just mixing us up with the Arab states, much closer to his heart.
Yes, if he wins, I won’t consider this home any longer. Maybe I will live on a yaught and be country-less.
caringnurse1, I am not got to bother verifying whether or not that is true (and i doubt it), but taking a poll from a biased population yields biased results. This is not up for debate.
I felt sorry for McCain when Obama slammed him with the bomb, bomb, bomb Iran comment, because I truly believe John McCain has served this country so much more than Barack Obama has, and really has a better grasp of foreign affairs and military matters. I couldn’t help but think that there is a huge difference between joking about bombing Iran, which we don’t have good relations with, and bombing Pakistan, which we would like to improve our relations with (we need Pakistan’s cooperation in the region).
I see our relationship with Pakistan as fragile, and I think that is why McCain suggests that Obama not speak so strongly about going in to take out Osama. After all, it seems rather arrogant and disrespectful to state that you would go in against Pakistan’s wishes. Obviously, if you have to do it, you do it, but to say so before hand during a debate just seems to be setting us up for more strained relations.
Although it would be in our best interest to improve our relationship with Iran, realistically, I’m not sure that is possible unless circumstances change drastically. So, I’m not sure if singing bomb, bomb, bomb Iran is as damaging to our relationship with Iran, as saying we would go into Pakistan without permission is to our relationship with Pakistan and its people.
I’m honestly not sure what to think about Obama’s candid comments. They may have been a calculated message to the Pakistani government, allowing them to prepare a political response to such an action that will play well with their own people without actually upsetting the apple cart.
The truth is that Pakistani security forces are infested with unreliable elements. If we found bin Laden and gave the Pakistani government advance notice of a strike, bin Laden probably wouldn’t be there when we struck.
Here’s what these koolaid drinkers don’t want to hear: Obama was bullish, rude and just right down obnoxious. He kept rambling on and on and on and didn’t even respect the moderator’s plead to stick to the clock. McCain’s mortgage idea just won him 5% in the polls! Obama: a bullish thug
He did annoy me more tonight rambling than in the last debate. I think it’s because he kept going over the time limit.
It was ridiculous to have to keep telling them to shorten up.
And that time he just “had” to “correct” John, and then he repeated the same dang thing?
THAT was embarassing!
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